#2369 - Ed Calderon

29:33And I think that's the first time Americans got a little like a small glimpse of the underground brutality, monster, religious occultism, and just torture and murder that has been going on now and there for many years. But it has gotten really bad in the past 20, 30 years. So this has always been going on. In a lot of ways, yes. brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while. But cartel brutality, like when did the cartels really start gaining power? I think the 70s, 70s and 80s is when we start seeing the formation of the first large organizations and federations that are working to produce and or to traffic substances through Mexico up into the United States.

30:22Was it originally cocaine? Marijuana. I think originally heroin actually was at the start or the initiation of a lot of this stuff. Where were they getting the heroin? They were planting, they were planting poppy in the Sierra for the war effort, apparently, for the Americans because they were running on a shortage of morphine, so they needed place to plant it. And that's one of the places where they kind of started like, oh, they can grow this here. And people are getting ideas. This is the Vietnam War? Yeah, around the out. Well, that's a Vietnam War War II era. that's when you start seeing the initiation of like people planting certain things.

31:04So 40s, 50s, 60s, 50s and 50s. Wow. Well, it's like Vietnam itself is connected to heroin. Yeah. That's the dirty secret about why we were interested in that whole area of Vietnam and that was a trafficking area. Yeah. The Golden Trials. Yeah. And coincidentally, a lot of people got insanely rich somehow or another connected to that. But we had to be over there to stop communism or something. And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam because it has something to do or elements of it remind you of Mexico. It is, Mexico has been a place that has been ruled over by a single party for 80 years.

31:49If that. the PRI and then it went through its democratic period and now we have other parties coming into play and now we have a ruling party all over Mexico called Morena who is you know this is the party of the Avarazos no Valazos that's how they started you know Hugs not bullets against the cartels policy which allowed them to grow and also super effective Hugs not bullets but this is coming off a Mexico's liberals too, I guess. Yes, we do. Mexico's three things. Southern Mexico, that's rural Mexico. Central Mexico, that's where all the woke comes from. The capital of Mexico. That's where all the general pronouns get issued into law.

32:35That's where violence against women specifically and feminicide is now a new thing cataloged under the law. you can kill a dude, you're smiling, but if you kill a woman, that's a feminine side, which is way worse. So that's where a lot of that policy comes from. And then Northern Mexico, where I'm from, that's where I guess conservative, that's all the factories are. That's where all the people, the hard work, hard working people and people that kind of like go the other side of the politics that are woke. That used to be the case, but now So, what ends up ruling all over the country? And a lot of the polish that they're bringing with them are, you know, to the left.

33:18Mexico was very tired from the drug war that it had been going on for 20 years, that I was a part of for 12 of those years. They saw Felipe Calderón bring the military into this fight to fight the cartels and just kicking a giant B -hive. He had really a thicky, he really didn't have a clue what he was about to kind of kick off. He had the idea that if you just put the military out, you know, which are not corrupted, well, he thought they were not corrupted. And you militarized a lot of the policing going on around it. You can eliminate all these cartel members like, oh, just this guy's gone, this guy's gone, and we're gonna just now secure this area in control.

33:59But it's been just basically, Gremlins, you know, one Gremlin will turn into four or five. If you cut one head off and it's hydro, just bunch of heads come out now. So Mexican who has been going through that for a while, and then this president comes in, and when we're in López Obrador, with this plan, we'll just leave him alone, and they'll stop. Violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them. How'd that work? He has one of the most violent presidencies in history. His main criticizes Calvin on who started the Strog War over his handling of it. He outmatches him from death during his administration.

34:44What we saw in his administration was the politicalization and they were already in politics, but now they're really overt about it. Now cartels are like, they have their own candidates running for office. The mayor of the city and the police chief of the city, they're all cartel members and the police force, they're all called cartel members in parts of Mexico. Oh boy. All of the political killings that happened in Mexico don't happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedy's out there that are trying to change things, right? It's because that cartel is sponsoring that candidate. And this cartel is bouncing that candidate, so I don't want your candidate to win, so I'm going to go shoot him.

35:19Well there was some insane amount of murders during the last election. Wasn't it like 30 plus murders? See if you can find out how many murders there was. That sounds about right. It is, again, these criminal organizations have politicized. They figured out that, you know, how can we operate in this region without having too much issues? Right. Let's put, let's make the mayor our guy and let's elect the governor. So... We like the thing that we're innocent over here, but how much different is it with what we do with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people? because they pay for people's campaigns and those people get in with a specific understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through, what kind of mandates you need to make in terms of the you know mandating the use of certain medications.

36:11It's a different type of corruption. It's different our corruption but it's still drugs. Yeah up to 60. 60 politicians in the 2024 24 general and local elections. 60 politicians were assassinated during pre -campaign and campaign periods. Fucking yo, imagine if that was going on in America, marginally terrible greens get whacked, AOCs get whacked. Like that would be fucking crazy. This episode is brought to you by Visible. I wanna let you in on something. Your current wireless carrier does not want you to know about Visible because Visible is the ultimate wireless hack. No confusing plans with surprise fees, no nonsense, just fast speeds, great coverage, without the premium cost.

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37:50Something happened last year. The arrest of one of the biggest cartel heads in history from Mexico, El Mayo, San Bada. He was arrested in Texas. He flew into a private air, they flew him into a private air field under pretty interesting circumstances and handed himself over to authorities. He was arrested there. I mean, that kicked off a lot of violence in Mexico. Why was he willing to fly in? So there's different stories around that. He's told his own story. He's actually talked about this many times openly with his drivers and stuff like that or driving around. So he just speaks about he's older now.

38:32He was a ghost. This is Elmaio Sambada was the legitimate leader of the Sinaloa cartel. The US would say that it was a Chapaguzman, not really. The Sinaloa cartel was a federation. And a lot of the bigger older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up by this figure. Elmaio Sambada, who in 50 years was never arrested, never grabbed, never caught. You would hear about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew that guy is the head of the Cinaloa Grateau, or the bigger guy in that organization, which is a federation of groups. Last time I was here, it was after the Kugakanaso, the incident where they rescued Ovidio, one of El Chapo's sons.

39:21Two years ago, they finally got up to him. Right, the army did this operation. Same thing happened. Even all the cartels burned to city, the block rows and stuff like that. A lot of the special operations soldiers died in his arrest, a few of them. And he was finally arrested and extradited to the United States. Conversation probably happened within the United States with a video when he was finally in the US custody. And El Chapaguzman is in a hole. And he's not going to get out of the hole. His sons probably figured out that if they don't want to get into a hole too, they probably need to cut a deal.

39:58And I think, and the theory is that that deal probably included handing over the head of the Cinaloa cartel, Miles Ambala. So, by U .S. law enforcement for more than two decades, he was taken into custody after arriving in a private plane to Texas Airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez. Guzman Lopez has pleaded not guilty to federal, not guilty to federal drug trafficking charges in Chicago, his brother, a video Guzman Lopez pleaded guilty last month. Zimbada said that he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the U .S. by Guzman Lopez whose lord denies those claims. So this is the shady stuff that happened.

40:40El Mayo gets brought into a meeting in Xeniloa by Hwakin, who is not really into the drug, he's not one of the powerful brothers of the Chapaguzman brothers that are in the drug trade. He's kind of like wanting out basically. So at some point he cuts a deal. And in this deal, he's like, I'm gonna get this guy on a plane and I'm gonna fly him over, you know, and we're gonna make a deal. That's the story. He has a Maya come into a meeting between the governor of Sinaloa, which is known publicly. People know this. The governor of Sinaloa was going to be in the meeting with Olmayo Sambal, the head of Sinaloa Gartel, who is a member of Morana, the current ruling party all over the country.

41:25Also no investigation. Also he's still in power, which is shady as fuck. Between him and a man named Gwen, who was, I think he was the director of the university there. They had some sort of political dispute, and El Mayo was being brought into, I don't know, negotiate or like influence that, which tells you a lot about how the cartels and politics and the universities are tied, right? At that meeting, Nameshiokwen, who is a friend of El Mayo, the guy who's the director of the university, gets killed. They shoot him. There's a video published of a gas station shoot out where supposedly this man who was the director of the university gets killed.

42:13But it's fucking made up by the state prosecutor. They're trying to make this shit go away. Meanwhile all this stuff starts unraveling. Oh, the abducted amaiu at that meeting and that's why they killed this guy. We don't know, or at least I don't know if there's any specific confirmation that the governor of Singalaw was there. But he said he went to the U .S. He was in the U .S. He wasn't there, but there's no travel logs of him being in the U .S. It's a sh - it's a sh - sh - it's you. They somehow overtake his bodyguards, El Mio's bodyguards, they're gone. Nobody knows where they went. Probably dead somewhere.

42:54Got El Mio on a plane and flew him into Texas. Homeland Security was apparently involved FBI says that they they may have been involved. I was taught when last time I was here was talking about at some point we're gonna see either a direct US intervention or military action in Mexico that's gonna kick off things and I think that was it. After that happened El Chapo Guzman's sons cut deals. 17 members of the Guzman family were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the border with suitcases and were put into FBI vans and suitcases. Yeah. They rescued their family members and they took them out of the country so they're in the US somewhere.

43:46Under some kind of protective custody. Of course. course. And if you want to talk about people that know everything, like all the ins and outs, El Mayos and Madness, he's the guy. He knows where he being detained. I think he's in New York and I think he just declared himself guilty and he's probably going to cut a deal. He's older, he's a diabetic, he's not going to spend life in prison. It'll top of Guzmán went, which is wild. We think about how long he was running, and how many people died, and how many drugs got. He learned his trade craft from, he learned his trade craft in LA. Here it is, it's August 25th, so it's soon.

44:32Brooklyn federal judge on Monday scheduled, August 25th change of plea hearing for Zimbada, long time leader of Mexico City and Lower Cartel, development comes two weeks after federal prosecutor said they wouldn't seek the death penalty against him. There's a deal there. And I don't think it's going to put them in the same prison as Glam back as well. I don't see him jogging, but yeah, probably doing yoga. This is brutal. There's a deal coming. And there's this sense in the US that Trump came into power and declared these organizations, terrorist organizations. And there was an expectation that that mint glows off and you're going to see military action pretty soon.

45:18But what we've seen has been a very calculated, exergic operation. It looks like, I don't know. You see, they took out the head of the Cinalo cartel and Cinalo has been on fire ever since. It is open warfare between the last remaining sons of Otapaguzman and the sons of Amayo, Who are now? I've seen video. It's bananas. It is a war zone on the streets. See if you can find some of that scene of Loa video, Jamie, because it is shocking when when when when that when when this when this war kicked off between the these two factions in Tinoa Schools closed, you know people didn't want to go out because the cars were gonna get jacked to get burned and put in the middle of the street companies closed.

46:07All of the luxury environment around these criminal organizations that they built up, I mean these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton stores and click on, you know, and exotic cars being sold in store in these dealerships and all of the bands that were playing live music at their places and all these exotic seafood places, all these places just. How are they going to sustain themselves now? This economy started crashing and it's the Mexican government comes out, President, President Shainbaum comes out and she blames this state being on fire. The US, like the US came in here and abducted El Maya Sombada, a Mexican national.

47:03And they charged Joaquin Guzman, who was involved in the operation to pick up El Maya. They charged him with high treason in Mexico for abducting El Maya Sombada and putting him in the US. Which is - High treason. He's charged with high treason. So if they're - For abducting a drug lord. Yes. Whoa. Which is like, I don't know, like I've been doing the math on all of that. Wow. But you have this situation now where she's blaming the US

47:39many players in the cruelties and us in year protection no, nought, about that event Yeah, you can probably sneak up on all those motherfuckers. They're probably all deaf. But they're basically shooting up all the luxury apartments that they know are boned by the choppers in that area.

48:11They love 100 round drum magazines in Mexico for some reason. That's a 50 cow with no hearing protection. Why? You don't need it. How many of those guys are deaf? A lot of them have a severe hearing loss. And we recently went to Helisco with a friend of mine who has a YouTube channel called the Connect, Johnny Mitchell. He talks to drug dealers and people in that life. There's a friend of mine in Mexico. He's basically the Mexican Sean Ryan. A Gaffe 423 is his handle. And he interviews like cartel members and people from that life. And they wear masks or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We talk to a kid that was six months out of working with them.

49:05What is currently I think priority number one should be priority number one for the US, the new generation cartel. This militarized cartel out of Haleesco that has been with this war going on between the Sino -Lama factions. I mean, it's Christmas for them. So when when when when we went down there, he introduced his kid who is freshly off base that he was involved in Tank warfare on the borders between Haleesco and Sacatecas against los Mayos who you see there firing at this houses tanks. They're making their own tanks. If you get your truck stolen up here and probably get driven to Mexico, they're going to make a tank out of it probably.

49:49They're making these, these artisanally made tanks basically, mostly what they are. Yeah, that's a pretty old one. I think that's what the Zeta period. That's cool though. It looks like a fucking mad Max vehicle. But what they do is they make these tanks and his job was to be in the back of one of these with a 50 -cal rifle.

50:14So what they do is you'll get into a dirt road and they'll put their trucks like this with their backs turned. And I was like, why don't you just ram them with the front? The engine will go out. You have to ram them with the back of the truck. So they'll just go into like this destruction to be in the hills and shoot at each other until there's a clear winner. is what they do basically. And their main weapons are 50 caliber rifles. So they'll be in the back of the truck and they're like, now, now, now. And they'll just somebody's on the radio inside the cabin trying to call out what's going on.

50:52And they'll pop out and start, how come no one's figured out your protection? They put bullets in their ears. I've seen that. They put like plastic things in their ears, but realistically, they don't get shit and they're expendable. That's why there's no wear and protection. Yeah, but you get a pair of Walker's Game Years on Amazon. It's not that expensive. No, none of that is down there. This kid walked us through how he was all the way from his recruitment, through his training, through this tank warfare thing that they sent him on, and now into his life where he's like, why I laughed about your question about hearing protection is, I was the first person that showed him what tenitis was and what hearing loss was because he kept like, what did you say?

51:40It's like, hey dude, do you have hearing loss? Like no, like I just Like dude, you have severe hearing loss from what you went through. This is probably These tanks going after each other. Yeah, that's it. This is you'll see this in in different I mean, they're fighting over drug routes basically and and and territory and Christ is so close to each other. It's it's it's it's it's 50 caliber at like 10 foot distance and the The drones are now involved in this as well Because why not of course so the And the way he was recruited is pretty interesting He was an Uber driver this kid Again, you will look at it this kid if you found him somewhere, just normal kid.

52:33It's 23 right now I think, but it looks like a kid. Uber driver crashes into somebody accident, doesn't have enough money to pay the extra for the insurance. So he's like, God, what am I going to do? You know, married, newly married. What am I going to do? Goes on TikTok. talk. And he's using advertisement on TikTok for like, hey, you need money? This is how much we pay you if you come work with us. It's a cartel advertisement. The cartel uses TikTok to recruit. Yes. Hello friends. I want to tell you about my favorite sunglasses. They're called Roca. They're made right here in Austin, Texas. And they're the best sunglasses I've ever found for outdoor activities.

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55:21Facebook, TikTok. Of course. Totally make sense. But specifically, TikTok is one of the biggest recruiting methods. It's in the open. It's not like you have to access this private page and go and do this. No, it's like, hey, you want to come work for the four letters? Is it the way they call themselves? Yeah. Just call this number. So he called this number. And he was like told to meet somebody at a bus station. Because these people at the bus station, they put him in a car, they check them, like give me your phones, like we don't wanna be tracked. And then they drive them to a place where they were gonna be trained, I guess, is what he said.

56:03And then cops stop them in the road, beat the shit out of all of them there, torture a few of them, what are you doing? Where are you going? They don't tell them anything don't tell them anything and After they got the beating of their life it good you passed a test and now you're gonna go Oh, so that was what it was for but the uniform cops were all cartel members Oh my god and the police the like all these are places where Everybody's in on it. So it's just to see if you'll crack He he gets It's driven to one of these ranches, these training camps. And it's not like, you know, I remember seeing the Alcata training camps or the guys on the monkey bars and stuff like that.

56:47These are military compounds that are in the Sierra and the mountains. There was a case recently where they thought they found these mask graves that turned out to be actually training camps. There were dead people there, but they found all these shoes that were calling them Mexican and Auschwitz. But what they actually found is a processing space. Like you go there and they strip off all your clothes and your shoes and they leave them there because they're giving new shoes because they don't want to be tracked. So it was one of those processes in places. So then you end it and then you then end up in some of the training camps.

57:22He describes active duty military personnel training them in the hills, Mexican military military personnel, training them in the hills, former special operators from Columbia. It's more, former special operators from Mexico. Some from America as well, right? There's rumors, and again, I have not talked directly to anybody that knows of that, that had had eyes on them, but there are rumors of at least two American specialists of some sort, because I've heard Delta Forest and Seals, and I don't know. But there is a clear communication of methods and technology. IEDs are a thing in Mexico now. IEDs are very reminiscent of things that you would see in Afghanistan and Iraq.

58:13And the only way that they come over here is not from an Afghani and Iraqi coming over and showing us how to do IEDs. It's probably an EOD tech of some sort from the U .S. that has some experiences as to know how to make some of these. That's one place where they were learning their trade graph. Another one is Columbia. Columbia's an operating operator has been showing up in weird parts of the world fighting. I mean they're in the Ukrainian war right now learning about drone technology. Some of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in the Ukrainian front are now back in Mexico showing the cartels how to what they learned about drone warfare in the Ukraine war.

58:48So this kid describes as training camp where it's the army. People are marching around, people are in uniform, people are getting trained, and you, they'll get people brought into this training camp and like, hey, let's see if you're worthy and they'll give you a gun and like, kill. Just kill some random person. Yeah. And this kid describes how he, that's the first dude he killed, just an armed dude that was dragging to that camp. So they just drag and do, just see if you're capable of taking some time. I think he was one of the guys that tried to run. Because it's like, I say it's like the military, but they'll kill you there if you fucking fuck up or they'll beat you, or they'll beat you, vlog you.

59:34It is a job. It is like a structured job. You get money paid to you. Every king's son, every 15 days, and a bonus at the end of the month, you get equipment. You get selected for certain activities. he was selected for tank duty in the cinema. This fucking tank to fight in the hills. Some people get selected to manage some of their drug stores. Some people get managed to just be lookouts. But it's a giant network of people that they've managed to create for themselves in this region, this new generation cartel. It's one of the largest and fastest growing cartels in Mexico, and it is now probably operating all over Mexico.

1:00:18And recruiting people on TikTok. Most of their recruiting is through TikTok, yes. And openly, and again, it's not, you don't have to search for it. It's there. People, smugglers, advertise on TikTok constantly as well. They'll have videos of people here in Texas that went through the border recently and live with a newspaper like, hey, I'm in Texas now. Look at the newspaper and they were, but they were in Mexico like a few hours later, a few was before with the newspaper and like this is how old is the best smuggler out there hire him for like a like a safe crossing this is a dick talk I mean it's in the open it's people people people people don't realize how how big of a tool that's being utilized in in Mexico is a recruiting tool it's propaganda tool as well that's what they'll talk shit to each other through that medium how did this get get out he ran I I think he managed to prove himself a bit and he managed to get the favor of one of their leaders and he told them like, hey, I know you don't want to be here You know, leave your shit and run, I guess don't don't come back.

1:01:31Don't look back. Also, they let them run. They let them run But not everybody gets that opportunity So it was just somebody who liked him maybe he got he got he got he said he worked well in that organization and he got favor and eventually said, you know, I have a wife and a kid that I need to get back to, is there a way that let him go? How long was he being held? I think he said something about six or eight months, and he went through some shit. Most of what he went through was in the border between Halle's Conzacateca's where the Mayas are trying to fight over that territory. It's basically one of the corridors up into the border region of Mexico, through Mexico.

1:02:12So that's people are always fighting over these regions. He came back with PTSD hearing loss. And again, all these things are unknown. He's a Mexican kid without health insurance. How is he going to know any of these things? When I talked to him for a bed, he was like, Oh, that makes sense. I was like, yeah, do you drink a lot? Yeah. I know why. I used to drink a shit, ton. Nine mayors, yeah. Yeah, like rage moments. Yeah, this sounds like PTSD dude, like sit down. But he's like one in a thousand, thousands of kids like that out there who have gone through some of these things. Both on the military and police side and also the cartel side, highly traumatizing individual that just, but there's nothing for them down there.

1:03:06If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble. If they look for help, there's no help out there. So this kid is trying to reform his life with all this fucking damage in him. He lost his family. That he fought so much to get back to. Which is, you know, it's just one small story and tragedy of, but you go to Halesco and they have a roundabout there in Halesco. It's the Lotus Aparecia where the missing are and it's covered in posters of missing people in Wallahara. It is like one of those zombie movies where they have all these, but like the whole of the missing people posters on the zombie outbreak happened.

1:03:51It's like that except it's people. Over 100 ,000 according to official numbers in Mexico as far as missing. Skon.

1:04:05And that's another aspect of this this this war that people don't kind of like realize. The numbers are skewed, you know, because there's no there's no confirmed dead person for a number of the amount of people murdered if there's no body. And Mexico has become very good at getting rid of bodies, like cultures in Mexico. I was in Kwawela working with a with a tactical group out there. They showed me, I'm always learning from people. Different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies. Some just burn them. Just throw fuel on them to see if they can burn. And this part of the country, Kowila, which is on the east side of the country, they will heat up fuel drums with diesel inside of them.

1:04:54And diesel can get really hot without igniting, and that's where they put the bodies inside, basically boil them down to their essential essence. And there's nothing to find is what they tell me with that process. You go to my hometown of Tijuana, that's where we had a healing cauldrons of diesel to dispose bodies. Yeah. And then you go to Tijuana where I'm from and then you got the phenomenon of a post -alitter who would get rid of people with caustic soda. It's the mixture of chemicals that you could find at a hardware store and they would make people into pink slurry and just dump the pink slurry in a hole and just cover it up.

1:05:38So the numbers that we see as far as dead and missing are, it's not a real number. It has to be bigger. It is a place where you will go into some towns and there's just a bunch of old men and females Because all the men were gone. Or you'll see these abandoned graves in some place. I talked to a lady who's a part of some of these organizations all over the country. Now there are grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding clandestine body disposal places. They're looking for their family members basically.

1:06:21How do you say that word? is a query? Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a that's the one I told you that was people were trying to make it seem like this was like an an extermination camp. How do you say the word? Isagiri. Isagiri a high concentrations of ash to just the presence of clandestine crematoriums? Yeah, bodies were disposed of there not at the volume of an Auschwitz level thing but yeah there were definitely people getting burned there. So they're just killing people all the time. Yeah. I mean, body disposal to a level where there's nothing left is something you do in a place where you're worried about the government catching it.

1:07:00But this is Gua LaHara, this is New Generation Cartel of Trojory. They're not worried about body being found. There's no for the forensic services in some of these places are like, you know, here's some spent casings from this murder. Oh, thank you. just throw them in this hill of giant hill of casings that they have in this evidence locker, right? They're overwhelmed. There's no Number can't solve any crimes. You're dead 90 % of all imagine your job if you do it well. You're dead Yeah, exactly. You're not gonna do well 90 % of all murders in Mexico are never solved 90 Maybe a bit over that So it's

1:07:48You have this cartel now that is, you know, you have, El Mio somebody's gone. El Chappo's sons are cutting a deal. One of them apparently has made an alliance with the head of the new generation cartel, a man by El Mencho. His nickname is El Mencho. And the missy also gets advantageous as his real name. Last time I was here, there was like, this was almost five years ago, I was here. There were questions about if he was even alive or not. People thought he was being kept alive as his folk figure, because he's low -key. Very low -key, he's not flashy. Everything's militarized. He's very good at his trade draft.

1:08:30But recently, he's very much alive. He's very much exposed himself a few times. He was almost arrested recently. And the federal police apparently tipped off his security about the operation against them. It's the second time he was almost arrested. He's the biggest target right now in Mexico. We recently learned through the media of the Trump's authorization of utilizing military action in Latin America in general, all the way from Venezuela, all the way up to Mexico. And you hear the drumwinds of like, how is this military operation going to look like? Is this going to be an invasion? You know, are we going to see you like a column of US Marines driving down to Tijuana?

1:09:14We'll probably get spent some time in Tijuana for it. It's probably not a good idea. Are we going to see like people delta force guys showing up in Tijuana and Kool -Aid gone and going on a raid on on their own without permission of the local authorities? What's this going to look like? I don't see a direct trust between Mexico and the Mexico and the United States anymore. There's like, there's issues there. The US has realized that politics are compromised at high level in Mexico. Completely. With the example of the recent almost arrest of the Missio Sugazervantes Lamentcho, you see that the federal forces are compromised as well.

1:09:58So like, who do you trust? as an American force that is trying to cut the stem of drugs into this country is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation. And who do you trust down there? I posted, I'm friends with a bunch of dorks and they're all looking at flight tracker and intelligence, I've got an I'm a dork too. And one of them sent me this suspicious drone, American drone flying over the state of Mexico in circles. And I posted it immediately. I think I was one of the first ones to post it online. And the press briefing happened almost immediately. And the head of public safety in Mexico, Omar Gaseyar Fusha, like, oh, yeah, we asked for this drone to fly over this area.

1:10:50Who did you ask? This is not a military drone, but we asked for it to fly over this area. I don't think he knows what's fucking what the fuck's going on. I don't think he knows why there's a drone flying over a very specific part of Mexico. I don't know. It seemed like he didn't, or either he didn't want to reveal this drone or, but there have been many times recently of drones just flying close to the border or over Mexico. They're clearly drawing a map. an intelligence map of targets in Mexico. So something is coming, I think. Whoa. But what is it going to look like, though? Is the question that people are asking.

1:11:31I don't know. Just speaking to somebody like Gaffé down in Mexico, he was a former member of the Special Operations. And I asked him, like, hey, what is the military going to do with the US as like we're going in without your approval? He said, well, if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters. And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways because some of them are working for them and some of them are working for us. So you will make the whole cohesive force against you. Oh, boy. Which is an interesting theory.

1:12:16You know if that happens. It seems likely. It does. Yeah, because there's like anti -US sentiment already. And then also the closing of the borders and it's a perfect storm. I mean, Trump is divisive. And in Mexico he has been turned into this very clear like enemy. Like this is the enemy, you know. Specifically by politicians down there. He's pretty easy to just vilify like it's nice and well, you know, why is seen a low on fire Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that Who's part of your party, but you haven't figured out how to get him out of office?

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1:17:08And they had an assassin basically infiltrate the living circle of one of El Chappo's main guys, El Huero Palma. And he seduced his wife, killed her, and abducted his kids, and threw them off a bridge, and sent that video to El Huero Palma. And I think after, I mean brutal shit had happened after that before that, but I think that set off this.

1:17:45At some point that whole war that happened, you start getting the element of the set that's coming in who were former special operator guys who basically said like, we can start our own cartel, which a lot of them were fork bragged trained individuals that went down. Some of them went through the Green Beret course. Four nationals go through that course a lot. So they went to the Green Beret course and then they go back to Mexico and then as soon as they get back to Mexico, they go like, oh, congratulations on your cool Green Beret and all this training. Come train hard guys or come work for us.

1:18:25So at some point, all of this started militarizing the conflict in Mexico. It went from gang against gang violence, which is very reminiscent of some of the stuff that happened up here during the gang era or some of the alcapone era, you know, shootouts between people. The Zetus changed the game. They started bringing guerrilla warfare tactics into this realm. They started doing all those torture videos and cartel execution videos. That comes from them. They realized that part of a guerrilla warfare campaign is propaganda. And how can you make propaganda of shooting a guy in a field? Right, film it.

1:19:13So they changed that game. They started realizing that, yeah, it's one thing having a kid with sneakers on the back with truck with an AK whose dad was part of the organization and he brought his kid in but it's probably a better idea to have military eyes or paramilitary groups working with us. You know, so they started getting these evolutions of ideas of what a criminal organization should be. And all of that, you know, the members of the new generation cartel that are now kind of like dominating Mexico started off as a Zeta hunting force by the scene that the the Unilol Cartel Forum in Holesco.

1:19:52And they said, like, well, we can do this for ourselves now, too, as well. So that's how they originated in a lot of ways. So this organization has taken the textbook learning process of all these other cartels. And is now this cartel with all this educational foundation as far as how to set up an organization, how to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate on both sides of the border, how to augment their capabilities constantly through technology. Drone warfare was first seen, I think, in Mexico. You saw drone -shropping bombs and chill like that in Mexico before the Ukrainian conflict.

1:20:32But they got really good at it. I mean, the Ukrainians have like taken that shit to an art form. There are Mexican nationals fighting for their foreign services, their foreign brigades in the Ukraine. And some of them have gone into that route, don't operate. And some of them are coming back. And you started seeing this sudden sophistication. It used to be bomblets dropped from these commercial drones and the explosives and the more probably mining level explosives. You started seeing these these bomblets made and there were more reminiscent of Colombian explosives or IRA, air explosives. And now you're seeing these coordinated drone attacks on military forces in Mexico.

1:21:17I think they recently got a high level army official. They got them with a drone. They didn't kill them, but they almost killed them. So we started seeing these drones now being operate as scouts, so you can't get close to them because the drones are in the sky. So now you're seeing drones, cartels fighting against other cartels drones. So now I was seeing cartel guys with these futuristic drone and tight drone guns in the field. I've seen those things. Yeah. They look like space guns, but on the hands of a cartel guy, wearing like sandals, which is, what the fuck's going on with these people?

1:21:54So you start seeing all this augmentation of capabilities. This single cartel now has all of this history behind it, all of these lessons behind it, all this training behind it, all this technology. and it is poised to make punch a hole right through its territory and go up north into the United States. There are no segments of the border wall currently that are actually controlled in or a city that is controlled by the new generation cartel that is on the border. That's not the case now. But there are places that are starting to maybe look like they're going that way. The Kwanha being one of them, where I'm from.

1:22:36You start seeing the last remaining sons of Ochapeguzman, that are free, Archivolo is the strongest one, and his faction of those Chappitas is what they call themselves. This past year announced that they had reached in the lines with this new cartel, this new generation cartel. So, it's now it's a cohesive force and they had historical ties and a part of the border that they owned already that they inherited from their dad. So that nightmare scenario having this cartel now having a clear doorway into the United States is pretty close if it's not there already. And how wild would it be if the border was still wide open?

1:23:16Because it cut down on illegal immigrants by some high 90 percent. Yeah. Yeah, it's way down. They're still crossing, going on. Oh, yeah. It's really expensive. It's really expensive. You gotta get that guy off TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of ways I do. I saw one where they were like, hey, they'll grab a portfolio full of copies of IDs and like, oh, you look like this dude. And then they'll give you, you know, they'll just get really drunk before you cross and they'll pretend you were asleep. and they'll give you paperwork that looks like the dude, that looks like you. And that's how they cross up people.

1:23:56And it's very expensive, that's how they cross you. Fast boats, you know, there's a bunch of videos online, just boats just arriving on the beach and just dudes jumping out to class it running. And running, there's like a - What's there in there, in? There's a shortage of those wave runners, there's a shortage of them in Mexico, because they just buy them just a, well short trip. I mean, if you think if you get on one in Tijuana and you hop over to San Diego. That's not that far. No, and they'll swarm it now. They'll do many of those boats. And if you're in T .J., you can see off the coast, there's a bunch of Navy ships now off the coast there.

1:24:30So like, which is a cost for alarm for a lot of Mexicans. The next, when I say Mexicans view any sort of intervention by the United States with fear. Although they are also fearful of what happens if this is allowed to continue in Mexico and they don't see any solutions from the government. It seems like the opposite. It seems like it's going more and more towards the cartel. So what would happen if the United States didn't infiltrate? If the United States didn't attack, if something didn't happen, if they just... I think we've stepped away. I think we're already involved. This arrest of a massive amount of this designation that allows a lot of safety, the safety of the type of thing against Mexico, against some of these cartels.

1:25:19What's worrying in the eyes of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans, I guess, the fact that there was a promise of no negotiating with terrorists, or at least it's something that is assumed, you know, you don't negotiate with terrorists, it's like a thing, you know, but always send one of these factions just made a deal and now they're negotiating with And now all these people are crossing that border. Their family members are crossing that border, and now in the safety of the United States. The dude that the United States made a deal with is responsible for the death of a few special operators that were a part of his arrest.

1:25:55What are they going to tell their families of that loss? And why they died. And also the piles of bodies that were around after both of his arrest attempts. So there's this trust on all sides. Mexicans don't trust the government to solve it because it's a bit... What's the deal with your president? What's her deal? Shea mom? Woke, very woke, very to the left. A few guerrilla forces in Central America have come out and said that she was one of the resistance fighters with them.

1:26:37Jewish, her religion. That's kind of odd. It is very odd from Mexico. Very loved by large segments of the population. What is about it that she's loved? Like what is about her policies or which represent? I think she's feeding off a lot of the love that they had for Amla. Amla was our Trump. That's the best way of describing him. popular, popular guy, drained a swamp rhetoric, like all these other guys, all the conservatives can go gone or kind of win this. He won by a landslide. But he keeps talking about conservatives and the previous parties and then but all the Mariner parties made up of all these other politicians switching sides and joining his party.

1:27:25So, you know, Shay Mom came in with a big job on her hands as far as security. She immediately reversed the whole of Rassan Lvalasas. I mean, there's Valasas on the table now, you know. I recognize that. She brought into office with her man. What did you mean by that? When you say in Valasas, was it? Rassan Lvalasas, like hugs not bullets. She got rid of that. Now there's a lot more, there's a lot of Valasas. There's more bullets now. Okay, there's a man in power right now a security official name Omar Garcia Jardfouj who He has a sorted history in Mexico He comes from people there's there. He has been in circles of people that have been involved in some shit But he himself has not been in there's nothing on him that we know of you know Yeah, super police.

1:28:19Yeah, the super cop is what he called He's very well loved by his men. I actually talked to a few people that work directly with him. He seems to be like a guy who's willing to go up to task. And he's receiving all the pressure from the United States. So we need results from you guys. Like, what are you doing? So he has been heading up operations against some of these organizations, specifically in Cine Law. And we've seen record breaking fentanyl seizures and high level politicians being cut up in some of these things and specifically the interesting part of the operations he's conducting all over Mexico is he's actually going after municipalities.

1:28:57So he's going after municipal presidents and some of the local governments that are basically all corrupted. He realizes that, hey, where's the cartel here? Oh, the cartel's a government. Local governments cartel. So they do these mass swarm operations on some of these places where the arrest police chief, the arrest the mayor that he realizes that this is the front that he has to not fight because the cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore. They're inside, they're infiltrated, they're in politics. And people think about drugs only, but drugs don't, that these cartels are fighting for what she called as well, fuel trafficking.

1:29:38You know, there was a fan of the - Avocado. Avocado. If you go to Chipotle and order extra guac, you're putting money in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the Femilla Mjogana. Oh, crazy. It's a lot. And it's a fuel theft. And the fuel theft side of it, what she calls what they call it in Mexico is interesting. But that catches that puts in a lot of people in the United States that have involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from Mexico by some of these criminal organizations, putting in a ship and then doing a lot of magic with the paperwork and then ended up ending up ending up in the US and money exchanging weird hands.

1:30:20So that's another side of it that people don't kind of realize. One of the, look at this, Mexico. Yeah. The already season nearly four million gallons of stolen fuel, AP news. This has been going on for years and against another part of the way they finance themselves and these criminal organizations have been able to grow without. Yeah, they branch out. They've diversified years ago. Yeah, so they're not just, because even if you shut off the drugs totally, they're still making billions. And in low -key, Mexico has become first world in a lot of ways. First, we're welcoming all your huddled masses.

1:30:58You know, Mexico is, Mexico is the statue of liberty, all of the economic migrants that can't afford to live here in the US, move to Mexico. Oh, yeah, a lot of people do. There's like giant communities of America's living down there. When we were in Holesco we were surprised to find like Gringo's living in the middle of cartel territory. Where are the Mormons the first people to do that? There was there there were some of the first ones to do some of these communities, but like Expat communities down in Mexico are common Yeah, the Mormons were pretty big down there actually Yeah, yeah, there's you know they you know, I think the last time was here was when that that massacre happened.

1:31:38Yes Yes So there are Mormon compounds in Mexico. Yeah, armed. Yeah, they've been there since 1800s. Yeah, Mitt Romney's dad was Mexican. Yeah, yeah, Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico. That's why he couldn't be president in the United States. It's wild. Wild. Yeah, and Mitt Romney's dad was a part of one of those massive encampments of armed people protecting Joseph Smith's ideas. Yes, crazy. Also, I remember when I talked about it on this podcast, Mormons from the US corrected me and said that those guys weren't real Mormons? Oh, how convenient. That I'm like, I don't, then. Well, didn't they go over there because they didn't want to get rid of polygamy?

1:32:25I think so. I think there was, they should have stuck around. It's coming back. But the polygamy's back in Toronto. Oh, cool. Yeah. Canada because of Islam, because so many Muslims have moved to Toronto. They made polygamy legal again. Yeah, it wasn't Canada recently. It's like, wow, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, good job, guys. Keep at it. I think Mexico was on its, Mexico is probably the, if you can invest in any country in the world right now, I think Mexico would be it. Really? The industrial plant that it has, a lot of the stuff that is leading China, and that's moving to Mexico. Youth, and has a consumer base that is growing exponentially.

1:33:10So how do you get population? All the violence. Is that possible at this point in time? Is it so soaked into the culture? I think it is. I think we're a tipping point where the Mexican culture, as in general, is like sick of it. Like it doesn't want this yet anymore. We're seeing attacks on freedom of expression in Mexico in a way because some of these popular singers that would sing cartel songs are now band performing them live. So that's like an attack on freedom of speech, but population is pretty cool with it though. They're letting it slide. So it means that they're they're kind of like ready to give up.

1:33:52She had it became an issue in America, right? Where there was a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the country and he had these huge sold -out arena shows. Yeah, I mean, again, I talked about how if you're going to attack these organizations, you have to attack all of these, or like just like you attack Al Qaeda, you attack who finances them, who, and a lot of these organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to lawn their money or to gain influence in the US or to sing about their exploits. They would pay them to sing about their exploits. So when this designation came down, it was clear that some of these guys were on the chopping block.

1:34:31This terrible designation came down from the government, the US government is clear that some of these singers are gonna be on the chopping block. Wow. Another phenomenon is that the US is actually, this the guy. Four million listeners on Spotify every month. It's one of many. He's one of the Parking Lot yesterday. He was killed in a parking lot yesterday? Oh, wow. Musician is celebrated, Jug Cartel exploits and Song shot dead in Parking Lot in Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is yesterday. Yeah, unique. Or just today. The niggas. Yes. Wow. Yeah. This is the singer. Yeah. And the group one, Niggum.

1:35:06Yeah. He used to hang out with a little Maya Sambala and El Chapaguzman and talk about it openly on podcast in Mexico. And you know, that's another phenomenon that's currently happening. YouTubers. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. I bet you've probably been to the doctor's office in the past few months. I bet you had to hand over your personal info like your insurance, your ID, maybe even your social security number. And I bet you weren't thinking about how your doctor is just one of many places that has your personal information. If any one of them isn't careful, it's a good bet they could accidentally expose your details to hackers and identity theft, putting you at risk.

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1:37:54When the Chappitas and the Mayos started fighting over Sina Loa, those Mayos put a plane up and started dispersing panthlets with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that they knew were helping out the chapitos faction or they were working with them. And they've been going down that list. I recently killed one dude at his house who was talking about cartels.

1:38:29Like TMZ for cartels. Yeah. Yeah. The hackers, that's him. He apparently the cartel hired a hacker to send a link to his wife that she opened and they tracked them where they were hiding. He was all over social media in Mexico and even regular media in Mexico talking about the cartels. Has the Sunday no arrest been reported? No, somebody just walked into his house with a ski mask and shot him through the bathroom door when you try to hold a jet. And this is, these are all signs that the populace in Mexico independently of cartels, just the general mass of Mexico is, this is the tipping point, they're done with this.

1:39:21They don't want this anymore. Which, you know, what do you do with that energy, that momentum? How many people are we talking about when you're talking about all the cartels? How many people are in the house? Like how big thousands I so if it was an army how big would the army be? 400 ,000 people whoa Just like doing doing really quick math in my head of like Approximations of how many new generation cartel members are apparently out there which is no way real way of knowing, but there are the formulation. How many Taliban were in Afghanistan? I don't know. Jamie, Google that. In the height of the war, how many Taliban were in Afghanistan?

1:40:05And then you see these organizations, I mean, there's the people fighting out there, the people in charge, the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the people that are running the shell companies, the people that are running the actual companies because these cartels own companies, you know? So like, okay, look at this. Early estimates from 2001 to 2017 range from 45 ,000 to 60 ,000. I think there's way more fighters down there than that. How crazy is that? So we spent trillions of dollars. We were there for 20 years in Afghanistan for 60 ,000 dudes that were hiding out in the mountains.

1:40:44And then we left and we left behind black hawk helicopters, and a lot of those firearms are showing up in Mexico. Oh, of course. They're for sale. The night vision equipment, night vision, like, high -sophistic expense, I know about night vision equipment. I've been learning about all this stuff in the US from my friends, rural, gun nuts. And I'm looking at it like, oh, God, look at these. Like, dude, where are those? They're in a house in Kool -Aid gun. It's like, holy shit, dude. How the fuck did they get from? There's routes I bet dude's got on a plane the moment the US left They're all this shit.

1:41:23We got money. Let's make a deal with these guys. Yeah weaponry is coming coming in from that side Obviously the US is responsible for most of the gun running down to Mexico Well, let's talk about operation fast and furious Which was bananas? Wide receiver started off as white receiver I think that was the original name for it it's a bush... Blisbee. So Bush had administration. It was a wide receiver and then Obama administration. It was fast and furious. And again. I'm going to speak of this, my participation in all this was I was in Mexico and a bunch of my friends got killed with those guns.

1:42:03We started seeing... Just imagine... I'm in my 20s back then. And you know, we getting shootouts and people running around guns and stuff like that. It's mostly like AR -15's. AK -47, some of them are really rusty and old, no -ring co -rifles from China, just weird firearms. And all of a sudden, you start finding people with 50 calvary, barric rifles, with scopes on them. So you wrote it in the box with munitions, and then you look at the box, where it came in, and you see a label that says Arizona on it. And you're like, ah, cabron, you know, That's a weird thing to find on this fucking crack house that we're at.

1:42:46And then a few of my friends got killed with these FN57 pistols. It's a high velocity round that comes in them. It was kind of fabricated in the Cold War to fight Russians invading Europe, and they wanted to be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols and small subguns that they might have in urban areas. So we start seeing those. and just massive amount of firearms being delivered specifically to the scene of the war cartel groups in the area that we're working with. And we didn't know anything about it. Like, we're holding things coming from. Apparently in the US during the Bush administration, they started an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw purchased in places like Arizona and other parts of the US.

1:43:33By individuals being gathered by cartel members put into cars and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels. The ATF was involved in all this, Eric Holder was very involved in all this. Their plan or theory was we're going to track these guns when they go down to Mexico. But nothing got tracked, or at least we don't know of anything that got really tracked or any high level arrest made because of the guns that they were just allowed to... What do you think is really going on? Because that sounds like a bullshit cover. We're just tracking these guns. I mean, what do you do when you want to destabilize a region if you're another country?

1:44:13You give guns to the shits, sir. Why would they want to destabilize them in such a immoral way that they needed this to happen? So badly, they were willing to give them weapons to kill each other. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, back then it was a scene of the law cartel trying to fight control over the area, over some people that were coming, like the Zed does, and other organizations. And I don't know why would you send guns to this specific region? I'm not saying that the US purposely armed a single cartel in Mexico, but that's what it kind of looks like. Yeah. You know, that's what it looks like.

1:44:49That's the only thing. And this is the purpose of it. And this is what we saw because a lot of the things that they were required because it looked like a laundry list. Some of the stuff that they were bringing down 50 count. Why do you think 50 calibers started getting like we're so hot back and still are to hot? It's because people started doing armor. So they need a way to getting through armor. So 50 cows, right? And Americans, especially some of my American military and police friends are always making fun of the fact that none of these big gas rifles have have any sites on them. They do have sites on them, but they get stolen by the cops before they put them in front of the picture for the news.

1:45:29But I've heard, I've heard. It wasn't me. That makes sense. That is expensive. Red dot on that. Fuck you. You've got to even have sites on their guns. They can shoot, they can shoot far, they can shoot well. Some of them, not all of them. Yeah, they've got expensive guns, of course, they've got sites. Yeah, that's ridiculous. But everything gets ripped off, you know, donations, of course. Big sense. These started showing up in Mexico. A bunch of people started dying. And then two federal agents that were doing protection detail died down there during a cartel shootout. I'm not too sure on the details of this, but they revolved in a shootout in Mexico.

1:46:11They were doing a protection detail down there. One of them was a border patrol agent assigned to this. Ryan Terry. He set up a foundation in his memory. I think I raised a few grand for this foundation. And I did that only as a point to be able to say, hey, I raised this money for this foundation to honor this fallen police officer that was in Mexico, that was killed by American guns that were given to the cartels to bring attention to the fact that we know who Ryan Terry is but do we know who my friends are who were killed by these guns or all the lot of unknown people that were killed by some of these guns that were allowed to walk through that border knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people wanting these gun shops were like, hey dude, are you sure?

1:46:57Like they want like 4aKs like they're under surveillance where we're tracking these. And they just go down. So if you had to imagine, no one saying this is true. But if you had to imagine what kind of a deal would be made where you would guarantee the shipment of weapons from the United States into Mexico by the federal government for what purpose? These destabilized? These destabilized support a specific faction? Right. But that's the question. Why them? And like, was it money? Was it influence? Were they working on something? You know, there's a lot of, we're in the realm of theory right now.

1:47:40Of course. But El Miao Sambala learned his trade craft in Los Angeles, 50 years ago. And one of the people that was instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move things through countries was a man who was a Castro era police officer who was involved in the Bay of Pig incidents. That man married his El Miao sister and that's who taught El Miao Sambala everything he knew about moving things around. So I'm not gonna say the CIA. But. Oh my God. Well, you know, I've had freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast multiple times. And for people who haven't seen those episodes or heard me talk about Ricky, Ricky is the real Rick Ross.

1:48:28Like Rick Ross, the rapper, that's not his name. He named himself Rick Ross because freeway Ricky was a legend. He was a legend in Los Angeles He was the number one cocaine dealer in Los Angeles and he was getting it all from the CIA And he was helping funding the Contra's versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua And he had no idea because he couldn't even read Yeah, and that same Contra situation pops up again with the death of Kigikamarena, the DEA agent. One of the people, one of the, there was two major prisoner extraditions of cartel members from Mexico to the US and the first one that came through, I think a year ago, was the parent murder of Kigikamarena, I was cartel member.

1:49:24And they've always pended on him. Like the cartels were, there was this giant row of marijuana out there and that geek I'm on the saw it and reported it and Kato Kintaro who owned this plantation had him killed, right? And we actually went down to Halesca where he was tortured and killed and talked to the locals there and they were like, ah, Nakasa de la Sia, like the CIA house. They're like, what? That's what some other people there say. And I've ever seen the video of Michael Rupert who was a friend of mine who passed away years back. He was a former Los Angeles Narcotics Officer. He was on C -SPAN out of hearing.

1:50:04And during the hearing, said, I have personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs in Los Angeles and everybody goes, fuck it, crazy. It is the wildest thing to see because this is like, Jamie, was that the 90s? Yeah, other, do you remember? Were you around when Rupert was a guest? No. No. No. Rupert was pre -Jayme. Wow. Yeah. So Rupert was on a couple of times. And then he took his own life one time. He was very depressed. I don't doubt that he took his life. He was living pre -destitute. I think he was in a trailer. You know, it wasn't good. It wasn't good. But there was a movie here at Litzelis, Mike Ruber 1996 let's play some of this because it is crazy it's crazy this is all live on C -SPAN.

1:50:57I will tell you director Deutsche emphatically and I will tell you director Deutsche as a former Los Angeles police narcotics detective that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time. and it was great it goes into detail and look at these are all L .A. people and they're like fucking thank you But it's this is like go the CIA is up there too. Yeah, I believe it. Yes. Yes, this is like conspiracy theory this never happened But there you go look at the house head of the CIA Look at him

1:51:43I'm in it. That guy's got a human skin suit on. That's a demon. Listen to when Grupper talks. Just wrote a note to that guy too. Well, a minute's here. Wait a minute. If you don't like what's going on here, please sleep now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room. Shout out to Juanita for getting control of the room, because everybody went nuts when he said that. So he elaborates. I mean, when you see it went nuts, they're looking at he talks to the director. The operations known as Amadeus Pegasus and Watchtower. I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.

1:52:30I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country. I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence. My question for you is very specific, sir. If, in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred hits his work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?

1:53:09He's like, should I handle this? They're gonna activate the bomb in his head right there. Right, you want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon and then from the director. He's like, I don't want to talk. Wait, wait a minute from York, from York. I'm sorry, sir. I will allow the direct - Look at that guy in the back, but it's going to take me some nervous. He's there trying to pull him out, it's something like that. If you have information about CIA, illegal activity, I don't know about those grounds. That guy's doing Bill Gates' hands. You should immediately bring that information to wherever you want, but let me suggest three places.

1:53:50The Los Angeles Police Department.

1:54:03I'm sorry others want to hear this answer. I am sorry others want to hear this answer. Check out the dude in the front with the leopard scarf. Amazing, amazing segment of time. or an office of one of your congress persons from this

1:54:27you're a shot at for it wait a minute wait a minute you hear him I did that 18 years ago I got shot at for it Jamie find that find the trailer for that movie they did with him so they were interviewing him I forget what the entire premise of this thing was they were interviewing him for something and he was so intense They decided to do an entire movie of just Michael Rupert sitting in a chair in like a warehouse Smoking cigarettes and talking about the collapse of the global economy collapse play the trailer for this because it's so nuts He could find the trailer for collapsed Yeah, I mean The whole CIA thing is this is Michael We are all collectively responsible for what may be the greatest preventable holocaust in the history of planet Earth.

1:55:22I have 30 years of experience as an investigative journalist. I've broken major scandals going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told for it. Our map has proven deadly accurate. Economic predictions saw we had it so right. In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now. Check your mortgage carefully. We issued a whole series of warnings. There will be nothing like we would ever see before. That's January 2005. I think the reason I was going to happen is taking place right now. Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market. It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme.

1:56:00The whole economy is a pyramid scheme. Of course I've been called a conspiracy theorist, but I don't deal in conspiracy theory, ideal and conspiracy fact. The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.

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1:57:10The whole documentary, just as dude, sitting there, freaking you out. It's like Mexico's UFOs, it's always been like, Mexico's big footage, CIA. Like, there have been, And Manuadaman D. I think was a writer in the 60s, 70s. He would talk about the CIA and he got shot. There recently, in the past 10 years, a bunch of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being on the payroll by the CIA. Like all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA agents on the payroll. So Mexico has this vision of the CIA and the US's responsibility for some of the things that are going on down there, very different than the US's perception of responsibilities.

1:58:01It's probably more accurate. I mean, it's direct. It was shocking to me when we were there at Kiki, the house where he was kept and I think tortured and finally killed that the people around there that have lived there when it happened, some of them would call that the CIA house. So that was a weird thing to us. And maybe they've been kind of like polluted by all the stuff they've been looking at or seeing after that happened, but... Or maybe they're just being accurate. Or maybe they're just being accurate. Let's say that's the... Again, realm of theory. You have the United States dealing with Mexico and 9 -11 happens.

1:58:42And then you're worried about things going through the border like a nuke, you know, apparently. Do you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe and tell you if anything goes through that border or you talk to the cartel that actually owned that border? Who do you talk to? You have to talk to the cartels. So I think there's always been a backdoor channel communication they're going on or direct communication going on of some sort, which only makes sense. Yeah. And also makes... I wonder how much of an influence it has in our drug laws. The... Because sensible drug laws would treat all drugs the same way we treat alcohol.

1:59:26Yeah. Sensible. Because alcohol is a drug and we know that when we had a prohibition and lasted for how many years, like 13 years in this country, it did nothing but prop up organized crime. Yeah, and last time I came here, I was on my way to becoming alcohol sober. So alcohol is a very dangerous drug. You can kill yourself with it very easily. You could buy a bottle that will kill you. Yep. And no one can say. And any store. Yeah. I had to lock myself in a fucking ranch. I did at bowl school. Just fucking lollipops. How long did it take? My whole life, it's going to take, I think. I'm always going to be like, I think about it.

2:00:04You know, sometimes. But I've been in silver for about four years now. Congratulations. Thank you. That's awesome. But you have to do. It is not easy. I don't have the addiction gene, the physical addiction gene. I don't know why. But like even I chew on these nicotine pouches all the time. I want a vacation and I said, no nicotine. Let's see what happens. For five days, that was fine. Nothing. Coffee, I said, I'm going to quit coffee. I quit coffee for five days. is like no, no weirdness. Yeah, I think for me, it was medication. When I got out, when I got out of work, I had shit, I had loads of PTSD the first time I was on the podcast.

2:00:46We talked a little bit about it. And then afterwards you like gave me some names of some people that you talked to and I did. I went out and looked out for help. Eventually I just got sober, but it's insane to me how differently alcohol gets treated versus all other substances. What's one of the only ones that if you get off it too quick, you'll die. Yes. Which I did research that real close to that. I had to, I had my heart, I'd start feeling my heart. Do you do shit? Did you think, well, I just have a little drinky poo and get back on track and do this slowly, a slow drip. When I left the studio the last time, you're still in LA, my marriage ended around that same time.

2:01:28Yeah, and I had a few things going on. PTSD and trying to figure things out and drinking myself to sleep every third day because the only way I could go through a sleepless, through a dreamless night was unsustainable. So my life was falling apart and I had to do something. I had a friend who owns a big ranch and they had a cabin that I could stay in and he said, and hey, you can say here. How long did it take to? I got there and I didn't wanna feel like a freeloader. So I got there and I gave them, they had a little small community school there for the kids. So I brought a TV and like DVDs and like gave them all this stuff.

2:02:13I gave them kids to stay here. He stood me in front of everybody and said, this guy's an alcoholic. If I catch anybody giving an alcoholic, he's seeing him giving an alcoholic, you're out. I'm embarrassed. Like I felt like shit. But it gave me what I needed. Third night shakes and sweats. Wild dreams. I think I'd pissed myself. But it was a sweat. Then I started getting my heart chest pain. And she liked that going on. And I think it took me about two weeks, I think, to really be. You know, on the level, don't do it that way. It's a stupid way of doing it. You almost die. Eventually I got some people to, right?

2:03:03Yeah. I think that's how Amy Winehouse died. Yes, that's probably, yeah. That's what, isn't that the case, Jamie? Don't they think that Amy Winehouse died from complications of alcoholism, trying to get over? Yeah. It is, you feel it. Whatever people often say like feel I feel like I'm dying like no you that Feels like you're dying like you like somebody's sitting on your chest And you can't get up and also your brain is screaming for something that you can't get all right I Alcohol poisoning After binge drinking following a period of abstence. Oh, even worse

2:03:48I was embarrassed about it and I started writing about it and publishing on my Instagram account just like my experience with it. And I got a lot of help from a lot of people. Did you ever do Ible -Gain? Yeah, yeah. It did things. It opened up a few warm cans of worms of the past in me, but it helped. That's the one thing that I hear over and over again for people that do suffer from PTSD and people that do suffer from addiction. Yeah. I began to the one.

2:04:31It's like a weird commerce. It's like you've avoided these very specific things for decades. And now there's no way of avoiding them. And they're there. And it's like, I don't know, I don't like I don't want to. It led me on a path. And it specifically opened up a bunch of doors for me in the realm of, you know, I'm the That's what I do when I train people on that. But then some guy going through alcohol, sobriety, and public. You know, I had Randy Blight, the lead singer of Lamb of God, reach out out of nowhere. This random guy that I've used to listen to when I was working, you know, my head folks.

2:05:19He's like, hey, head. You know, he's speaking about you. Like, do you have a sponsor? He's like, I never went to AA. I just fucking locked myself in a room. He's stupid for doing that. But he like how I'll be your sponsor. He's so he oh wow so he started how fucking cool is that I Still a sponsor still he's He is I He's he's an amazing guy Like that that's why call when I'm close But I Yes, it is insane to think about the fact that the bottle of bottle of liquor you can buy the story kill you all you want, and when you have to show it's your ID. Well, it's the problem of addiction. You know, this is the actual fuel that runs the cartel.

2:06:11There's a giant problem in the United States of people and this appetite for illegal narcotics. Yes. And this pretending that people aren't doing these drugs and like, they're pretending that making them illegal is going to stop this. Now, all you're doing is propping up the cartel. That's all you're doing is funding the cartel. And then also helping the alcohol lobbyists in this country. Yeah. The perfect storm was the outbreak of the prescription opioid epidemic in this country. That was like this initiation of what later turned into like, oh, well, this is off the table now because we passed all these laws.

2:06:56and didn't put some people in jail. That should be prison, some families that I don't know how they're free. But then what takes its place? Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppy and they said, like, let's add a little bit of fentanyl into these very weak poppy yields of heroin and see what it does. And it kicked. Oh, so how was the source of it that the heroin was weak? these these hillsides have been leached for years but I'm growing wheat on. So the top soil was bad. Let's let's let's do a monocrop agriculture with drugs. So my God. It's industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanyl being introduced into it to make it more potent.

2:07:41Wow. And then also weed legalization in parts like California led to interesting phenomenon. some of these fields were no longer profitable, so they would switch to Poppy. And one thing that people don't realize is that a lot of these things get tested out first in the markets in Mexico. But if Mexico has giant drug markets, and that are fought over, and people will try this. Try this. Oh boy, it's like trial samples that they hand out the supermarket. Oh no. So at some point in the past somebody down in heliscope probably tried the first load of Mexican Fentonally loaded heroin Somebody somewhere out there probably did the first the head and like holy shit You got a winner here or died immediately or died.

2:08:31Hey, that's a little too potent because you amount of fentanyl You need to kill somebody so small. Yeah, but it was hit here though. It was a giant hit here in the US And then you is it is bigger problem in Mexico is it isn't the United States? No The reason is we the reason is wild though. It's not because Mexico cracks out of pension when there's no Fentall in the streets It's because the cartel down there will kill you if they catch you selling that shit locally Because this poison is meant to export If the cartels catch you selling anything that isn't from them or fentanyl in certain areas?

2:09:11Kill you. So that's the best, that's the Mexican dare program. That's so crazy. Like they know it's bad. Yeah. Yeah. That will, they know. And you see some of these cartels publicly claim like, ah, we don't deal in this fentanyl thing. This is not us. Fentanyl as a whole, I think, in the US This is kind of down. And I know that not all of it or not most of it is now coming from Mexico. I mean, you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming from Mexico, a lot of those. But you also get fentanyl from in the mail all over the US. There's a loophole that is finally being closed about exporting things into United States.

2:09:56So if they're below $800 or something like that, they don't get the full scan. So I know for a fact there are cartels in or groups of people in the United States organizing shipping things to the United States that have fentanyl in them and they start loading and they're selling fentanyl -eloted substances into into US without any sort of cartel in Mexican involvement. That is also happening in the US. And the precursors for this stuff all come from China, correct? They all come from China and this is my observation, I guess. When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for some of these organizations, specifically the scene in La Cartelle was actually getting their fentanyl in the US from some of the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports in the US because the US kept the ports open for a bit longer.

2:10:49So you had cases of people, cartel members getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico because they didn't get their regular supply from China from the regular ports. And that's what they were utilizing to infuse the drugs that they would send over the US. But the one that didn't have any of those issues with the new generation cartel. Because they had own a lot of the ports on both sides of the country. And also they've always had, I don't know, this, I don't want to say that the people of Republic of China purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way to fuck with the US.

2:11:30It's probably the case though. Yeah, it's probably the case. Well it seems like that would be a good move if you want to destabilize a country. How would you get hundreds of thousands of people hooked on this terrible drug? Yeah. I mean, they're all over the illegal weed trade in the US as well right now. Hundreds of them I saw on the border crossing in single file. I was watching some video that some guy made about Maine. There's a town in Maine, but there's all these Chinese nationals living there. They've taken over weed operations in Maine. And it's, it's, it's a, when we talked about Vietnam, I think Mexico is a weird Vietnam in a lot of ways because you see foreign influences in Mexico in different ways.

2:12:20The current administration is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies of the United States. You know, they're pretty friendly with them. So that's one influence in the country. All of these precursors and supplies and all of these involved Chinese chemists, industrialist, individuals, a lot of the cartels were basically hiding their money through Chinese banking institutions. That's the way you hide money from the US. You take it to a Chinese money broker. He puts it in the Chinese banking institution. You go to Mexico. You have a shell company down there or a real company down there.

2:12:56And then you have your investments with that Chinese company. Now you have legitimate money just transferring from one end to the other and nobody, the wiser. So Mexico is a war field or a battle, a battle is being played out in Mexico that has a lot to do with the United States and affecting the interests of the United States. And China is clearly not the US's friend in this battle probably. and things have changed, the dynamics have changed, but you can clearly see that at some point, they, people in China, and when I've heard people say that the largest intelligence opera, intelligence organization in the world is this Chinese, the Chinese government, because everybody in China is part of the intelligence apparatus, basically.

2:13:49So it's hard for me to believe that all these industrialists and all these chemists come to Mexico and show these cartel members out of cook, manufacture, make, or actually fabricate. They've been fabricating fentanyl in Mexico. There have been a few leverage orders found in Mexico where they're actually making fentanyl in Mexico. This is very common now. But they learned that drag graph and scale graph from people from China. How can the Chinese government have these people moving in and out of the country and showing these things in the back and forth and not like, oh, we don't know anything about this.

2:14:21Right. They're probably directed to do it. I don't know. Look, it makes sense. It makes sense. You know, there's so many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like we're involved in destabilizing other countries. There's a whack -a -mole game that's going on all over the world. But in that Awa, which is talked about a lot here in the US, this event is well in gangs, they're operating in central Mexico, openly now. There's power backings all over the country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and people are The the age of the large Organizations are probably coming to an end seen a law is the seen law cartel that exists anymore There's smaller factions basically in control Which is allowing things to come in then that out one are The Venezuelan gangs that are operating in a way where the Mexican government hasn't hasn't dealt with that It's more like a localized gang shit, you know Um, um, gum, gum, comura, like Italian mafia type dealings that they have.

2:15:21So they're, they're, which is like old school Mexican cartels used to do. So now they're having to de -evolve. What I mentioned this week, I talked to some people who were actively working against that federally in Mexico. Um, and then all of a sudden we hear these mentions of, uh, Maduro, the president of Venezuela being placed on that, uh, uh, 50 million, I think they're off. is Ed and he's basically now the head of the giant cartel which is an interesting narrative that the US is putting out there. Is that real? I don't know. You see a lot of these vendors well and then I want people having clear knowledge and skills in training and then they're operating in Mexico clearly with some sort of command or directive structure that isn't clear.

2:16:12like, there's no, like, who's the head of the trend that I work? Cartel. I'm like, no, he's never gonna tell you. They don't know, you know? Who's supplying them, who's sending them out, who's controlling them, who's organizing what? And it's like a destabilizing thing, element, I think, you know? It's interesting that when we hear this new mention of authorize military actions in South America, They don't say Mexico specifically. They say just South America and a very big thing that comes up as Venezuela and Mexico. I think this I think whatever the US's attempting is beyond cartel and drugs and this is about regional stability now in security Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource on the planet right now I think moving into the future.

2:17:06It's poised to be the next China And the U .S. sees this and what does the U .S. need more than anything right now, an industrial plant. Right. And where is it going to get? Mexico. And Maduro, it's just the first time where there's been a gigantic bounty on a president of a South American country in our lifetime. I don't remember anybody else with one of those. But it's barely making the news. But it's it's wild. He's it's wild. He's the president of a country the president Frank $50 million for his capture. Yeah, and he's he's on the TV's Creeping he's has these daily like it. How does he keep from getting napt?

2:17:51I have no idea they've tried to kill them They try to blow them up with the drone ones They try to imagine like for 50 mil like some figure out high -level guys might snatch him up Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that works as far as a bounty on him, but he's he's worried He's a mobilized militia forces all over the country. There was three years ago, five years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by each private institution, private groups to go and try and liberate Venezuela. And they all got caught by fishermen on the coast. I think I caught by fishermen. There was some fishermen on the coast that were like, hey, what are these guys doing here?

2:18:26Flucking with the 50 cal on top of a pickup truck. And I think they were grabbed and they were put on media. And like, oh, these guys are all peep. I think one of them did security for a Trump event, so they put it all on Trump. Trump organized this. I don't know the whole of the details. This is like a little bit out of my wheelhouse, but what I've heard is that a lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for the U .S. by paying all these mercenaries war American to try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them.

2:18:59Wow. I think that's something like that's happened. There's a lot of gold coming out of that country. It has a lot of gold. There's a lot of shady things coming in and out of that country. Any country that is outside of this scope of friends of the United States is a country where shady shit can happen. Jamie, what is the official reason why they have a bounty on Maduro? It's like cocaine smuggling operation. It's allowing or responsible for, and Mexico, the president says they don't have any evidence of that. Yeah. See? see and it's it's like you don't have any evidence of that but there's a bunch of in velis well and organizations in Mexico trying that you're fighting again you know that are clearly involved in smuggling yeah and that they clearly have some sort of free movement between Venezuela and Mexico.

2:19:48What's going on? What's going on? But I think we're headed for something Last time I was here, I said in five years we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention in Mexico, which has already happened, I think, with the rest of the Maya Sombala. I kind of called the whole terrorist as a nation thing. I said I didn't think he was going to do it on his first term, but the second one. And he skipped a term and then we had to dive and then he came back with a force. What do you think would have happened if he didn't win? If Trump didn't win, the border stayed wide open. of I'm an immigrant Joe and I've seen that side of policy in the US and how it's affected the community and generally the people.

2:20:45But on the other end I've also experienced Biden and the open -bores policy and the amounts of horrible shit that I saw on that border and people being, but the kids that went missing or kids that were like, what's going on with all these kids and why don't they have our bands and, um, and all these, uh, human trafficking. Yeah. All these migrant camps being set up on the border and, which generally, like, good people don't want to believe that human trafficking is a real business. It is the child trafficking is a real business. It is a real business and it is a big business. and most of the anything related to sex traffic and specifically related to children, what part of the world do you think is the largest market for it?

2:21:30As the United States?

2:21:36They're always catching people too. They catch people and you're like, how many of they not caught? Yeah. Whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble, but a phenomenon that's going on that I don't see a lot of people talk about is that the fact that a lot of Americans who are into this, moved to Mexico, and in Mexico it was harder to find some of these people. So a lot of it, some, in some of these X -Bat community places, there are people hiding out who are petal laws. And they don't know long, longer have to figure out stuff in the US so they're moving down there and they're doing some of that down there.

2:22:11Trafficking of children, the sales of children, child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico. They're very common in Mexico. And it's not something that you hear a lot about, but masses of people and children being moved up into the border have had some sort of organized effort with them to like help that out. If you're a cartel member and you're on the board and those on you see 14 kids that are all asleep, you're like, what the? Well, I know these kids like asleep. Oh, they're tired from the trip. I mean, I have a kid, you know, she's like, I stop at a Starbucks and she wakes up like, where are you getting, right?

2:22:58Right. All these kids are like, asleep. They're drugged. So they carry them drugged up into the all the way up to the border. This is this is Biden era. So they would drug all these these these kids to not make them interact with anybody that might ask them any questions, basically. They put an arm band on them and they had some sort of organized effort on the US side to receive them and put them wherever they need to be. All that was shady. All that was really shady. I don't know. That's so horrific. I don't know what happens on this side. I don't know what happens on this side. I know that as an immigrant myself, I know that this administration, specifically in this part of this history, and what's happening right now, is there's a lot of stress and fear.

2:23:53You know, I see the effects of it in different industries from agricultural to culture to just that this general anxiety that has felt across the country by people of my color skin that look Mexican or our Mexican. But I also am not blind to or not stupid enough to see in compare it to the past administration and some of the shit that went on there. That's the problem is it's an over correction. The problem is when you have an open border and you do know the cartel members are just freely going across and you do have human trafficking and you want to stop it, Then you want to get everybody out that came in during the last four years.

2:24:37So now you have 20 million people you have to account for. And the problem is some of them are good people. Some of them are not gang numbers. Most of them are just people that wanted a better life. Most of them. But they have mandates now. And mandates get creepy because then people become numbers. And if you say we got to get rid of X amount every day, and then you just show up at home depot and you get some hard work and guy with a family. You just want to like do some roofing jobs. Yeah. You know, dude selling flowers. Yeah. Lady selling fruit in cups. And then there's this pushback on amnesty.

2:25:13People have this crazy pushback. Like if someone's been here for 20 years, they were working on a farm and they're good people and they've established a family here. Let's figure out a pathway to amnesty. And then there's the hard right pushback to like, fuck you. You got here illegally, get the fuck out. It's like those are jobs for Americans could do. It's like, I mean, well, first of all, my take on that is if you're using illegal labor at the very, at the bottom line, well, you're doing is not paying people what they should be paid illegal immigration is illegal because people want it to remain so because they need that cheap labor.

2:25:53That's that's another addiction. Someone explained that to me that he was having a conversation with this this extremely wealthy guy who was upset at the crackdown on the border because they need illegal workers. It's a part of their business model because you don't have to pay them any benefits. You don't have to pay them whatever the books. They're off the books? Yeah, exactly. And they can't complain. If they do, yeah, which is, that's not good. You shouldn't have that. So they should find out, first of all, forget about whether or not someone's illegal like what are you paying them? You should have like a detailed record of how much everybody who works for you gets paid.

2:26:34And if there's a bunch of people that are working for you that aren't on record, what's going on? Why you have this enormous corporation that relies on illegal labor? There are legal means of coming up to U .S. and migrating or as a worker, but it's hard. That's the problem if you're poor. If you're poor, it's almost impossible. I have good friends that have immigrated to the United States and they have to prove that their job is something that can't be done by an American or that they're exceptional at their job. When I went through my immigration process, I had my wife who I've known since I was 16 next to me and my daughter and they didn't believe that our marriage was real.

2:27:17Geez. So I did it legally and I had all of the things that I needed to have to have that immigration go through and it was the most difficult process that I've ever gone through. And I can't imagine other people that have, I don't know, how about they don't speak English, right? How about they have no money. But they're quotas for other countries. Like I remember when I got in line, there was like a Nigerian dude that couldn't speak English and he got it and I got like we need more information. Wow. And that's another aspect of it. Again, somebody brown in this country that is an immigrant. Meanwhile, it's the foundation of most cities.

2:28:00They're crazy. I'll just see that documentary a day without Mexicans. Yeah, the whole country shuts down, especially LA. I mean, the California fires and all the houses that we've gotten are like people in construction. You go to some of these worksites. Those are in the Spanillon. Yeah. You can, you're like, oh, go on that. It goes that. Yeah, exactly. And it's been wild seeing that and the effects it has had on just general, on the Mexican side is fear and anger and more anti -American feelings. And also this new arrival of these Americans because think about this. And I have a friend that I sometimes help out in place like Dejwana, where we recently portese show up in Dejwana, and there's a lot of them right now.

2:28:58Imagine you live in the U .S. from when you're two years old, all the way to your 30s, and then they tell you, and then you're now you're in a shanty town in Dejwana. Crazy. It starts with those mechanisms. That's immoral. Speaking the clearest English, somehow they pay taxes for all this period. So like, I paid my taxes and some of them have careers, some of them have families. That's insane. They should be grandfathered in. You should figure out a way. If someone came over here when they're two, stop. The amount of people getting kind of separated. And also the, I mean, we have a situation right now where there's American homeless people in Tijuana asking for money.

2:29:52Whoa. Right? That's one thing. And we also have people that you think are American, but they're actually Mexicans who are recently deported, who are living in very dire conditions. And, hey, you want a job? I can't speak Spanish. Like, dude. Oh my God. So so it's like and this is a phenomenon happening across the border and on this side I didn't even think about people that can't speak Spanish some of them can't speak Spanish Oh my god, I met a dude that again, he I think he was since he was two. He was brought across and he found out that he He found out that he didn't have any he found out any other paper work.

2:30:28I think at 18 when you talk to do some sort of process and they're like wait Where's your I'm not sure. First I think. Oh my God. And he got caught up, I think, somewhere in LA. And he sent down this perception that it's all criminals. Is no, no. Well, they're saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally, it's a crime. Okay. So it was a two -year -old criminal. Two -year -old, hard and criminal. It's diaper. Yeah. Come on. It's fucking insane. I think you're spot on when you say this is an over correction. Yes. I think that is a very true statement. It's also treating people like numbers.

2:31:11Yes. And not having the resources to look at each individual case, not having enough manpower and people. And also, everybody loses their compassion. You just deal with it over and over and over again. You're like enough. Yeah. What's your story? That's not really your kid. That's not really your wife. Yeah, you know, people they you know they get lied to enough that they lose their humanity. Yeah, I understand that aspect of it It's horrible, but you know, this is this is We're gonna live with the consequences of this and our kids are gonna live with the consequences of this probably in the future and when people The national karma of it.

2:31:48Yeah, when people look back at this, you know The United States leaving Afghanistan as it did and guarantee that it's going to be very hard for America to find friends internationally now, realistically. However it deals with Mexico in the next few years, it's going to define this nation. This is whatever is happening right now, whatever deals are being done, whatever this administration is pointing at is going to define us for, I mean my kids are going to have to live with the results of this. Yeah, what would them there was mass deportations going on during the Obama administration too? Yeah, this is what a lot of people are aware of these to call them the deporter in chief And and this is one thing that just makes me nuts because whenever I hear people up here They want to vilify just one side, I guess yeah, you can't do that.

2:32:43But the trap. Yeah, that's a trap Oh bomb when Obama wasn't he deported a lot of people I think it was somewhere around three million people. It was like this at the war. How many people to the Obama administration to port over the entire eight years? I think it was like three million people. Yeah, so and I and I and why was he deporting so many people? Pressure they had probably had some sort of political pressure. I'm not sure but the the thing I point at is that within my same community they try and point at people in politics as like, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party. He's gonna help us, you know, whatever government governor it is in whatever state.

2:33:27Yeah. But no, he was a part of the same party that supported Obama. I know, Obama was doing all this.

2:33:363 ,307 ,000. So what is that total on the left, Jamie? Total apprehensions and then the mental number you just read is the border, or US -Mexico border apprehensions. So those just apprehensions or what about deportations? And then total deportations is 5 million. 5 million. That's not just Mexico's kind of the point it's making. Right. 5 million. Which administration? 10 million. Bo. Clinton administration, 12 .3. Wow. How many is Trump deported? I was fine that out. Yeah, and the perception of the villainy, like in the community, it's all that it's about pointing to those are the enemy. These are our friends.

2:34:21Those are the enemy's friends. What they're doing exactly right here, you know, people get so caught up in, you know, it's a MAGA versus the Democrats. Like you're being played. Yeah. You're getting fucked no matter who's in office. The whole thing is a scam. And it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face. the whole thing has nothing to do with you. You're just a little pawn, and they used TikTok too. Yeah, they used, there's so much propaganda being going on online. In my mind, I always think about this first. I'm an immigrant, I'm new here, I'm trying to figure things out. I've seen more of the United States than most Americans.

2:35:04I think I'm missing Hawaii, Iowa, and Alaska, but I've been every other place. I was in a room in Tennessee watching a bunch of dudes dance with poise in the snakes at one point. Oh boy You went to snake handler place? Beautiful experience the Mexican America's go down Mexico and watch bull fights And when I was there I was like I'm doing exactly the same shit you guys are doing shit up. Yeah I grew up around snakes. I used to hunt them and sell the skin to the boot makers and stuff like that So how did you get in contact with snake handlers? I did a I do a lot of training across the country for police, government institutions, privately.

2:35:45And we got a medical class out in Tennessee. And somebody there's like, hey, Ed, you're going to be like, we want to show you around. Show you around. We want to go and see a moon ch mind distiller. He's like, no, like I said, hey, are there any of these types of churches around here? Or are they? You know? It's like, yeah, why would you want to go there? Because it's exotic to me. Yeah, I want to go there too. I want to see yeah, I can't tell you too much about them It's only to keep it low key, but when I went there they asked me are you Christian? I'm Catholic So you're not Christian Catholic is Christian no according to them.

2:36:22It's a satanic Institution oh, but I said okay, I the you are you ready to accept their true words yeah I want to see right Okay, baskets start kind of getting pulled out. Again, I grew up around snakes, so I know what a basket was snake might kind of, there's something in there. I thought they were defanged in my mind. Those things are definitely real poisonous snakes. I don't know if they give them something, so they're like chill. No, they die all the time, those guys. Yeah. One got whacked recently. Yeah, but they said they were still like handling. They're just like just proving their faith with these snakes.

2:37:08Well, if you're handling snakes all the time, they get accustomed to you handling them. Yeah, it's always your feeding though. I don't know. I was like, oh, it's cool, but I don't have enough faith. I think as long as you keep them fed and they don't feel like they're in danger, I don't think they're gonna fuck you up. But it's like when you encounter them in the wild, it's like they're just protecting themselves. They don't want to get you. Yeah, there were some pictures around of some of the people that didn't have enough faith, I guess. Oh, you got whacked? Yeah. Did they die or they're just like, I think I mean, I think they have pictures there of people that passed.

2:37:40Because some people don't die, you just get horrible necrosis around the wound. Yeah. Well, you need massive skin grafts and you lose like half of your fucking muscle tissue and your leg. Yeah. See if you can find that article about a guy recently, Snake Handler, who got killed. Oh, no. Hopefully I found the Trump thing before I move on. Okay, he did his first term he did half During during his first four years he did 1 .5 million deportations. That's about half of Obama's first term Which was 2 .9 wow and same about the same as Biden's term, which is 1 .49 also and what is he at now? I mean there only Six months into the year How crazy is it that Biden deported 1 .4, 9 million while letting in 20?

2:38:28Like, what do you think they were doing? Was that a part of destabilization? I know there was also efforts to move people to specific states so that you can get a larger number for the census so you get more congressional seats. This is a dark thing that people don't want to admit because they're a dyed in the world Democrat, but listen, it is. Remember who to vote for? And they just get dropped out of conversation with my parents about it. They're like, no, I'm like, yes, it's about congressional seats. It's like the census counts illegals. And not only that, they're trying to make it so that those people can vote.

2:39:02And if you can make it so that those people could vote, then all of a sudden you ship these people to a place. You give them EBD cards, you get them on food stamps, you give them Medicaid money, you get, They have money. And now who are you gonna vote for? Yeah. You're gonna vote for the people you got your money. Yeah. You're gonna people who give you the food stamps. Who are you gonna vote for? You're gonna vote for the people that shipped you to Springfield, Ohio. This is a good spot. And why do you think that is? Like, yes, boats, congressional seats is one. Swing states. Swing states. Net population growth.

2:39:39I think there's a little doubt too. I think there's population collapse. There's a population that, I mean, nobody's going to be there. there's no immigrant crisis in China right now. Right. And I think they're on the way to probably collapsing if they go through this downturn in their population. I think the U .S. is at some point of it's history, I think has been kind of close to that idea. Japan is in the middle of it. South Korea is experiencing it. And I ask because I'm trying to find logic between deporting the Biden administration doing that and then opening this door in that way. For me, it's always been interesting how a lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a narrative in their head all the way from where they were they're coming from up into the US.

2:40:23So like, Sean Ryan was here a while ago and I think you mentioned that we actually went I took him down to TJ to one of these migrant caravans that was right on the border and it's like, hey, Sean, you want to talk to some of these people? Ah, sure. And he got a kick out of the fact that in the middle of this camp there was a giant Biden flag flying.

2:40:47But that wasn't the, that wasn't the funniest thing. I'll see if I could send you the picture. All of the, all of the, all of the guys that we were interviewing, this is still COVID mask era. Some of them had make America great again, mask on. I have no idea who gave them those, but somebody with a sense of humor probably did. I have a picture of me and Sean Ryan with some of the people that we interviewed and they have I think America great again, a mask on. But they were told by the organizers that they had a clear path to the US. And then all they needed to do was make a, make a non noise on the border.

2:41:27You know, make a lot of newsworthy events on the border, talk to all the press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs and then it could go. Wow. That was there, the mindset that a lot of them had, which is a weird one. And then some of them would talk to us about the fact that they would get aid from Americans would come down and give them their camps, their tents. USAID. Yeah. And there was a lot of dollars being handed out to pay for things. So it was all, it was shady. Right now like I actually talked to three three I Think they were Honduran. They just got they just got to the border Now they're they're their idea is to go to Europe They have this weird sense that somebody told them somewhere down there that the Europe is taking immigrants So they're they're trying to make their way to Mexico.

2:42:24So from Mexico. They want to go to Europe They're not looking for you as anymore, which is a weird change in their narrative. You see the mass immigration in Europe as bananas. Yeah. Yeah. It's really crazy. And again, I... But what is it about? Like, why? Why would someone organize this? Why would someone fund this? I don't know, destabilization, political means, maybe the U .S. wants to avoid de -poxilation of the client, so this is one way they can backdoor it. There's probably many factors, right? The political destabilization is one, but just politically to get more congressional seats because of the way they use the census, which I think Trump is trying to change.

2:43:13Is he changing that? They said they weren't going to count illegals in the census anymore. I've have nerfed that. Is that, I mean, what kind of laws are involved? Could you do that with an executive order? I don't know how you would do that. But so you have that and then you have the true need for labor that people don't want. Yeah, which is, I mean, again, I've been all over the country. And every time I go into a hotel in the Oklahoma, I was to the Buenos Dias and I 80 % of the time I went to the US. What part of Mexico are you from? We have this cool conversation, kitchens, like I've... Toronto, New York City.

2:43:59Anthony Bourdain told me about that. It's all his best cooks from Mexico. From Puebla. Wow. So I was in Vegas and this sushi restaurant. I level sushi restaurant. Trump calls for new U .S. census that excludes undocumented immigrant census has historically counted all residents regardless of citizen status as required by the 14th Amendment. So you can't really do that. The Congress has the power for the census, not the president. So he's changing something. So Congress would have to agree with him on something like that. Which I think politically there might be motivation to do that because you could gain the system by administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then the moving of all these immigrants to all these areas where you wanted to take over.

2:44:47Which is crazy. Like using these people as political ploys and then they get a fresh start in America. So it's kind of like a win -win. Yeah. You know, they're eating the dogs or eating the cats. That's... Yeah.

2:45:03Whenever I travel, I always look at people in the service industry. I try to see where they're from. And it's always Mexican. You know, a lot of them are Mexican. Different parts of the country is different, but mostly Mexicans. Minnesota, there's a lot of not Mexicans there. Ethiopian. Yeah, a lot of Somalians. Somalians. I think there was one that was running for mayor there. It was recently that was on young fella. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty radical. He looked exactly like somebody that appeared in a movie where he was a captain for a moment. Yeah, exactly. It was pretty fun. But independently of that, the amount of cultures I'm experiencing across the country, it's like, wow, this is just like the UN of countries.

2:45:50You know, everywhere I go, I meet people from all over the world. Well, that's the part of the beauty of America, really. The beauty of America is that it's a melting pot. That's supposed to be what's cool about it, but when it's sort of weaponized in this way, when people are using it for their political gain and bringing people in for political gain, and then making a person like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all this shit to try to get in here legally, You're like, oh, you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which is really easy. And I understand the part of the American populace that I was like, we want to keep America and America.

2:46:34Guess what? I want to keep America and America. That's why I came up here, going to Kentucky and experiencing that in America. Yeah. Listen, there's no more American people than Cuban Americans. Those motherfuckers are hardcore. core, hard core America. You know why? Because they know what the communism looks like. This isn't just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college. Like their grandparents and their great -grandbr... grew up oppressed. Like they had to deal with that stuff. They escaped. And they came over to America and they have no tolerance for any bullshit. Well, well, in Mexico right now, there are things you can't say.

2:47:12You know, there's laws that prohibit you from being violent verbally against a political figure if she's a female and you'll have to go on TV and like read out like a whole thing apologizing for your insults. Public humiliation basically is being legalized in Mexico and Mexico was going towards that side of things. And but I'm up here and I'm seeing some of the things up here as well, you know, so like I have this I have this vision of the US where it's like cool This is a place where I'm safe to pursue whatever happiness I think exist I don't I didn't find that happiness in my country where I'm from where where I came from because This or this or this or that why do I want to bring some of that here?

2:48:02I guess would be one of the ways that I think about it Yeah, I don't I don't want I don't want hey This Texas is kind of boring. Let's bring in fucking military rights cartel members to the role around the city and pick up kids and shit like that and drain them into camps. Well, that's the big fear about Texas having Californians come here. Don't California or Texas. Yeah, you know, because they're like, man, California is just bullshit. We gotta get out of here. This place, the laws are dumb. You know what made this place, this place? Those fucking laws dumb ass. Yeah, like constitutional carry.

2:48:34Cool, cool, that's a cool thing. keeps everybody super polite. Yeah, everybody super polite and also like, hey, you know, call the cops after, you know, whatever mentality that is in Mexico. Airsoft guns are like on weird list that you can't buy a site for a gun. If you want to buy a gun, you have to fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to anybody that doesn't have any real means or money to get guns or training. So it's basically you're not, you don't get the privilege to defend yourself. In a country where you can't trust the cops, 90 % of all murders are never solved. And look at all these fucking robbing gangs are rolling around with fucking capabilities of taking down helicopters.

2:49:18They're cool, but you can't have a 22 caliber pistol. That's the mindset when I came up here. I'm like, oh cool. This is like, this is a place where some of that is not the case. But then a bunch of gun laws passed in California while I was going through my process and people started showing up to the gun range That I would go to train with like weird California compliant guns that you have to like Well the magazine to a certain place and stuff like that and I was like oh man. It's changing up here too Just California Yeah, so just California just California California is rough They the some of the things that they did like they made a pistol companies make magazines with lower capacity is if you can't kill people with a 10 round magazine.

2:50:01Like what? How many lives is that saved? Zero? Some of those laws are retarded. But like that. But that's it. It's just the illusion that they're doing something to combat drug violence or gang violence or gun violence. It's all illusions. Yeah. It's all like optics. But it is, it is, I mean, it's, when I get asked about my American experience, you know? I've been profiled. I've been racist, it's been said to me. Where are you living these days? Texas, Houston, beautiful Houston. It's the right amount of ghetto. I love Houston. I love it. It's a little bit of Mexican there. Yeah, Houston is a big ass melting pot.

2:50:42It's one of the best cities. Yeah, I really is. I, when I got there, and again, I'd live in Kentucky for a bit in California and then there. I've experienced great profiling in racism in California, which is pretty funny to say, but that's where I experienced the most of it. I've experienced people opening their houses to me and just being the best people on the planet, I experienced that in Texas and Kentucky with some people who were just like cool as luck. I've experienced the best in the worst that the country has to offer, I think. And I can see in it like I get it. I get what America is.

2:51:22Like I do, I finish high school, and then I went to work for a paramilitary institution somewhere in Mexico. And then I came up here and I have seven employees now, a company. I've spoken to members of Congress. I've trained federal forces and people that I've read about in books on how to do things that I learned in this horrible country, warfare that I had to go through. There's no other place in the planet that would provide me these opportunities for myself for my daughter. There's no other place in the world. So like I definitely have fucking skin in the game when it comes to this country.

2:51:57It is disheartening that with the way things are now like we're it like brown, Mexican immigrants of any kind legal or illegal or it. Right. We are. Yeah. It. Right now. In the sites of ice. in the sites of any sort of authority figure that might want to see, like, wait, wait, what are you doing? Who are you? So that's, it's an anxiety. And again, I've talked to people from my community across the country. It's a generalizing anxiety of not feeling at home at home, which is dark, dark, it's dark. Yeah, it's dark. Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem with these fucking brains. It also makes the rest of us feel awful.

2:52:49Like people that aren't scared of it, you feel awful about what America stands for. Like the idea that we would find it right to send some kid who was born in Mexico, but came over here when he was two. Can't speak Spanish at all. Some kid in LA that just doesn't have paperwork and all of a sudden he's in Mexico. Yeah. Like that is fucking dark. That's crazy. And that makes everybody else feel like Well, this isn't a good country then. That's not a good thing to do. That's a bad thing. That's an immoral thing to do. That's a thing that you do when you don't care. And this is supposed to be the shining light of the world.

2:53:25Yeah. And you I talk to everybody. Like I'm an open conversation, open book with anybody. I don't see anybody as an enemy. I don't see anybody as an opponent. I'm doing that, been through shit. If it's through hell and back. I've encountered situations where I've had to talk to immigration officials and, you know what I'm like. that said, hey dude, what's it like? Like what's like being the villain right now? Like the amount of, a lot of these guys are getting doxed. They're utilizing AI technology to take the picture of them and removing the mask. And it gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are like.

2:54:00There's people that document in their tattoos and then doxing them online. And I'm like, why do you ask that Ed? Because we were vilified too. And that's how they got to us. you know, they started making us into the enemy. There was a lot of interest out there I can see at high levels to separate us and keep us fighting. Like at a cultural level I think. Hmm. Hmm. More destabilization. So you think this is part of the plan? I don't know if there's a plan or not. But hopefully, it kind of makes sense. Like the part of the whole agenda is to create even more conflict. Hopefully somebody has a plan.

2:54:43Like I would, hopefully somebody knows what they're doing somewhere, but maybe not. If they don't, man, that's a dark thing to think about. That's what makes me wonder. I wonder if it really is a big plan or if it really is just fucking human chaos. If I find myself in a room with a looming naughty people and there's like, then I'm like, oh, these guys are smart. I know whatever this is, if we're gonna be cattle, at least somebody that knows their shit is gonna be in charge. But I don't know. I don't know. I see the U .S. people internationally see the U .S. declining. I got to experience the U .S.

2:55:23in the 80s, crossing the border and going to San Diego and going to SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions of everything bigger in the supermarket. And then as an immigrant in the U .S. now, everything is smaller. and infrastructure is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country and it's not the US of the 80s, it's not the US of the 90s, it's different. So yeah, I can see why people are screaming at the fact that there's something has to be done, we're losing it as a country. But I think you're hitting on the head. and we went through a Biden administration that was all about who was in charge is the question I have.

2:56:07Like, was that dude in charge? No. Somebody was. Yeah. Not only that, I think there was more than one of that dude. You know, there's like fake Biden's. Yeah. And son going online and doing an interview and just giving us like a intimate view of his family conversations and it sounds fun. He's a party, dude, I have a party with that guy. Well, not anymore. Back then, maybe. I don't think he, he wouldn't. He wouldn't. But it's wild to think those, and then people question why things are the way they are, and why people are struggling in different parts of this, parts of society in this country.

2:56:48I came here to work and to make a better life for myself and for my kid. And I somehow managed to be in a place where I have like employees and I have a company and I'm working. I'm doing work. I can't. American Dream. It is the American Dream and it's still exists and I'm proof of it still being real but it is under attack from all sides. From all sides. Yeah. From all sides. I'll say that three times. Yeah. People need to realize that it's not just right. There's definitely an interest to keep us all fighting. Yeah. And social media is a big part of that. Yeah. Yeah. That's literally how most people are getting their information and getting their narratives.

2:57:38And the same fight that this played on social media, statewide, state side, is kind of like the same fight that is being sold to us as far as Mexico versus the United States. We're not enemies. We shouldn't be enemies. We should be the best of friends. There are thousands of Americans living in Mexico now. There's protests going on for gentrification in Mexico City from people being, local people pushed off. Yeah. Go home, bring those rain not the walls. Meanwhile there's ice rates in LA and people being grown up and being deported. And that's happening all the while where people are like Mexicans are sick of all these Americans living in all these cool parts of Mexico and gentrifying them.

2:58:23Which is wild. I mean, are we into a mass American deportations next from Mexico? Is that gonna happen? In the past you can just cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask you for shit. Now they ask you for ID. Oh really? Yes. A lot of Americans that live in places like Dejuana and then working San Diego have encountered this. Oh, things are changing. Like, where's your ID? They look Mexican. Yeah, well, where's your federal voter ID? It's like, you're an American, right? And you just work in San Diego. Yeah, they go back and they really add this in and back. You have to pay for like a visa extension thing so you can cross a border regularly or you can be in Mexico for long periods.

2:59:11But things are changing. Again, these lines are being drawn on the ground. I don't think they're good for anybody. Free commerce at that border, San Diego and Tijuana are one in the same. From blood, family, commerce, they're one in the same. Why draw line there? Yeah, when I used to work in San Diego and I used to stand up down there and you know if I hung out after the shows I'd meet a bunch of people that came to the show from Mexico. Yeah, yeah, and I'd say wow Did you just came over here for the show? Yeah drive drive drive across yeah drive across and There's again we get as both of our Mexico was poised to be a powerhouse economically if we don't fuck it off with Socialism Oh, and why is that being pushed to more destabilization?

3:00:03But it is poised to be a powerhouse. We have the youth, we have everything we need to just pluck and explode. Resources, everything. But that's the same reason why we're being targeted so much for destabilization there. Wow. There's no path forward, I think, to have isolated United States with giant walls and guards on the walls and nobody crossing that wall. And Mexico next to it, I don't think that, I don't want to, I don't think that's, I wouldn't want to go there. Now there's always been this free flow back and forth. They just got to make it so that cartel members can't just come across or terrorists from other countries don't have an easy pathway.

3:00:49The flow of armaments going down to Mexico is one issue. The flow of drugs coming up from Mexico is another issue. The organized crime elements in Mexico doing horrific things to local populace and to each other when they fight each other is an issue. But also the United States' historical foreign policy to Mexico and it's responsible for a a lot of these things happening in Mexico is also key. What should the United States do about its responsibility in the past and some of its foreign policies in Mexico that have the lead Mexico to be where it is now as far as violence? I don't know. I don't think a full on military attack like Afghanistan or Iraq would be the answer because we see where that goes.

3:01:41It's not as easy as sending just drones down there and exploding a few dudes And because we've also seen what that happens when you cut the head of one snake, you know, you just abducted the head of the Cinaloa cartel and brought them to Texas. And all that didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico, it didn't end the Cinaloa cartel. It just made a giant war in the state of Cinaloa. And it divided up one cartel into two and probably made one of the biggest threats the United States natural security as far as cartels go, bigger and more influential. That's what that did. Wow. And again, the path forward?

3:02:21I don't know. Both countries are linked through blood, genetics, culture. There's a dude online saying that Mexican food is better in the US than Mexico. He's nuts. He's just idiot. That's not nonsense. Stupid dude. You'll know who I'm talking about. But both countries are like again, I've been across this country. I traveled across it and it is a great country. I love it. I love it. I love Mexico as well. It's my home country and I travel when I can there as well. I don't see a future without both of our countries just like figuring things out together. There's no, I don't see a future like that.

3:03:03Well said. Well said. We are going to need each other more than we think when in the coming years. And open warfare between both countries is not fucking insane. It's not going to be, it's not going to lead to anything. The United States doesn't have the manpower to stop the wave of migration that will come out of that country if you start fucking lobbying targeted strikes in certain parts of that country. There's no way. So if you want to talk about it, my migration is your issue, you're going the wrong way. And also, at what point do some of these criminal organizations, as I said, become freedom fighters?

3:03:45And once they become freedom fighters, at what point do they start targeting Americans living down there? Right. And it's just not good. But I wonder if they've thought it out. Like the US government's thought it out the way you're laying it out. I've spoken to members of Congress and I've spoken to members of... I've been in Washington a few times and I've spoken to people that are in charge of things. And they have notions, some of them, you know, but some of them are clearly, you know, they took that move. don't get that world. And if they're not like fully invested in finding out and really diving deep and getting an understanding of it.

3:04:31How, how could they know what you know? There's, well, they're doing the right thing by, look, I've been in rooms with people who were part of this conflict and they're asking the right people. But there, some of them are verifying like, oh, we were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local officials there and told us that they're doing this now and look at all those drugs that they just got. They're doing their job now. And I'm like, dude, I used to work for them and I could tell you that those boxes beneath those pills are probably empty and they're just there to produce a visual weight of it.

3:05:08And also that unit that did that seizure. Yeah. They're on a payroll for this organization. And also the governor of this place where this seizure happened. Yeah, you just took her visa away because the husband is involved in fuel smuggling. So like is this a win? Wow, but yes, you're freaking me out. I'm sorry, but yeah, it's all right. There are people that are trying to figure it out in the government There are people that are asking the right questions. I just I don't know what they're doing I don't know what's going to happen with the information, but a few things are clear. Everything is on the table as far as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America right now.

3:06:00There is an interest by the United States in some of that going on. That's clear. year. And what that's going to look like is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest of El Maya Sambala on a plane and some pretty kind of weird circumstances. The United States is the United States already doing political, political counter operations against the regime that is ruling over Mexico in some way shape or form. I don't know. There's a bunch of political expose A is going on over Mexico right now with a bunch of like documents and members of their very austere political party having lavish lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and then that goes on the news and then the President of Mexico says the CIA probably is taking all those pictures as a counter operation to what they're doing Oh boy, so I think I think whatever's happening is it's it's already in motion.

3:07:03I cost of this is if it isn't done in a if it isn't done if it isn't done correctly if it isn't done in a way where it's not taking to consideration the outcome or the fallout of something like abducting another giant head of a cartel down there or taking him out. And I think the biggest target out there is the head of this new generation cartel. I think that's, if I could be a psychic wreck now, and I say the US is gonna plan some sort of direct action operation, I think that's gonna be aimed at them. But, you know, if the Americans have a vision that they're gonna go somewhere and everybody's gonna be wearing cartel member vest on.

3:07:50I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and they have a bunch of police officers with full uniforms or Iraq's police officers are there, or members of the military that engage in a firefight with them and call back up from the military, and then now you're involved in a in a fight with the army down there. Because they're all involved with the cartel. Some of them are. Again, we hear these stories of these people who was straining them, who was supplying them, who was showing them how to use those rocket launchers that they're getting from the Ukraine. I mean, you hear these stories and you're like, just like that dude standing up there, the CIA, the involved in drug, he was like, I ed, you're a fuck, you're just talking out of your ass, this good -spiracy theory shit.

3:08:36Five years ago I said terrorist designation and direct action in Mexico against a high level cartel head. And here we are. And maybe on that side of conspiracies, but I've been pretty spun on. You've been pretty spun on. Ed, I appreciate you very much. I'm glad we did this. I've been following your work over the last five years and you're always on it So it's great to hear you lay all this stuff out. Tell everybody how they could find you online Last time I was here they deleted my Instagram account of over 500 ,000 followers after the podcast I posted something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during COVID and they the Instagram didn't like that and they they took that my account Wow, so what is it now?

3:09:24It is Manifesto Radio Podcast at It's at Manifesto Radio Podcast on Instagram and on YouTube if you want to check me out I have a small podcast. I talk to just people related to this environment and I post pictures daily and a bunch of weird memes and stuff like that It's basically an open blog of my travels I'm constantly traveling, talking to people that are involved in this and Just putting the word out there. I'm not I'm not in politics. I am not a reporter. I'm not a cartel reporter I am a dude that went through some shit. I'm still going through some shit. I'm trying to figure things out as a new American And I want the best for both countries.

3:10:08That's why I am Beautiful. Thank you. Appreciate it brother. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody