#2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk

25:17And it seems like they might be free of water. So it's just like shallow groundwater and once you get into the bedrock and it's like it's not a porous stone or whatever's underneath just the top level sediment, it seems like it can't hit, you know Tim Acust said it looks like it's free of water so the very bottom layers seem to be free of it. So the actual labyrinth, very bottom layers. The labyrinth is multiple levels at least so we know that - But is it possible that they could somehow, or they're from the side, dig a tunnel below everything if you could below the water. Yeah, you'd have to dig a deep tunnel.

25:52You could, I mean, that's also an option is to try. If you actually believe and you go with these scans, you know where that atrium is, we could probably try and get down there and just line a tunnel somehow and get down. That would be epic if we did that in our lifetime. I would love to see it. It seems like a terrible travesty if they don't. I agree, which is the reason I made that video in the first part. I wanted to draw attention to the labyrinths because it's just, I think it is like the biggest opportunity for us. In terms of massive discoveries in the ancient world, I can't think of anything that's bigger than the, I know the Cufferay Scan stuff is super interesting and it's the claims of wild, and it's, but this is like known about, like this has been talked about, and then it's been confirmed with multiple scans.

26:35You had, you had Matahar Expedition, you had Kaura University, I think it was like Rho Clau, butchering that Polish university, or then you had GeoScan team which was Klaus Donor, a friend of his who runs as German GeoScan space based satellite thing. It's like a mathematical statistical approach. They kind of use it to determine the elemental composition of stars is the best explanation I have. However, they have a track record of being able to find things like water and oil and gold under the ground. So they've been using that as a company for people to go basically surveying and then go dig and they've done three or four of these in there.

27:13Okay, this is where you said it was. They scanned the labyrinth. They were the first space -based scan to come out and talk about it. Then you had melambarose, which is this XUK military technology that's very similar in technique to the cuff -ray scan guys. Like so they use synthetic aperture radar or doppelotemography. These guys are using like high frequency orbital imaging with seismic data. So it's very similar in the way they're in it. You're essentially the description I was told, And is it's like imagine dropping pebbles into a container of water. And if you could instantly freeze that container and lift it out and shine a light from underneath it.

27:51When you look at it on the top, you can see those ripples in three dimensions, but you're looking at it on a 2D scan kind of thing. And you can interpret them to show you the topography of whatever's in that three -dimensional space. It's something similar to that. It's a technology. It's awesome. Dude, it is. It's a lot of wild. It's so awesome that they just have the ability to do that and look at that be beyond the calf -ray stuff which you know I I don't want to get disappointed so I Look at that like hmm like it's too great. It's too amazing. It's too spectacular It's a huge claim. Yeah, and if it's true all boy does that change everything about everything I mean, I'm in the camp of want to believe trust me.

28:33I mean, I'm sure you are but I'm not but I don't I mean I was skeptical. Initially, when it came out, I've certainly come around on the promise of the technology. My skepticism probably still exists in the layer between the scans as I've seen them and then the interpretations of the results. The 3D exactly. Yeah, what their interpretations of it are a little weird. It's because you don't really have a crystal clear view of what this thing is. It's like spirals. Yeah, you're making it look like it's some sort of a Tesla coil or whatever it is. like giant cubes with these four tunnels. Yeah, I look at, we'll see.

29:11And I want to get into like the Asara shaft because that's another thing that I've just recently put a video out about. These other scans that have happened in the 90s confirm that have since kind of been confirmed by the Kuffer Scan team work. But yeah, at the labyrinth at least, the interesting thing to me that happened with these two wildly different techniques, right? So you have the GeoScan, which is a statistical mathematical approach, space -based still, but then you have, and the Milenboros, which is a similar technique to the Cuff race can group. And it was used, I mean, just so, this is what Timakers would tell you, it was used to detect submarines.

29:47They would look at like surface patterns on the water and they were using it to basically track submarines under the water. So it's origins, at least in the military as far as I know. It's like the non -classified part of it is what he said. At least report it to have said, I should say. Are there ancient artistic depictions? Yeah, I mean not ancient but certainly Renaissance Periods and it's it's it's I think some of its symbolic bits We do get a lot of descriptions from those authors. So for example Herodotus Talks about it being you know 1500 rooms on one level Total if he said there's two levels he saw one level.

30:22He wasn't allowed to go to the lower level He said that it's 3000 rooms in total and not just rooms, but also courts massive open And courts, these are like... Arroudedists didn't have access? Not to the bottom level according to him. Interesting. But deodorosiculus did, like these guys talk about, no, succulus said that you needed a guy, you would get lost down there for days if you didn't have a guy to knew his way around. And then you have the same similar accounts from Pliny, the Elder, and again, these, once you, I think once you get accounts coming from multiple people over the span of centuries that have from different civilizations both Roman and Greek and they're correlating.

30:59It's like this is pretty reliable data at this point. And certainly in history or in archaeology, that's your measure for like, all right. There's a grain of truth in this given that we've got the same thing coming from these different accounts that are essentially different civilizations that visited the same place. And what they say is astonishing. It's, all of them talk about there being hundreds, if not thousands of rooms and twisting chambers and then also giant open courts that might have 40 columns to a side. And all of it being done with just spectacular craftsmanship. Yeah, this is a deodorosiculous first century BC.

31:37Talking about that, you know, the inrespect of carving and other works of craftsmanship, they left no room for their successes to surpass them. He's saying that this is phenomenal work. And in the sacred enclosure, one found a temple surrounded by columns 40 to each side. And this roof had a, and building had a roof made of a single stone carved with panels and richly adorned with excellent paintings. So, 42 a side that's 80. And how was this even lit? Well, that's always a good question. That's a core question when you get into any of these subterranean spaces like the seropunumus okay. It's always, there's no sooth like, we don't know how the answer is you don't know.

32:14It wasn't with flame. I don't think it was with flame. And then, so you had, you had, Go back to Strabo's depictions. In addition to these things, there is the edifice of the labyrinth, which is a building quite equal to the pyramids, a great palace made of many palaces. For such as the number of, how's it word? Peristyle. Peristyle quartz, which lie contiguous with one another. Before the entrances, they're lie what might be called hidden chambers, which are long and many in number and have paths running through one another, which twist and turn so that no one can enter or leave any court without a guide.

32:51So he, you had sicklest as a count of one of those courts being 80 columns, like 40 to a side and there was 12 of them, at least 12 of them in there. Wow. Yeah, it's absolutely great. So you have, you know, 3 ,000 rooms, 12 gigantic courts. Dear Doris, talks about the roof being made of a single stone. I very much doubt that what I think he's describing is the craftsmanship that you see in those real, megalithic buildings in Egypt where you can't see the joints. And here, plenty of the elder who lived between 23 and 79 CE, which is current time. So he's saying 3 ,600 years ago, this was constructed according to tradition.

33:32Isn't that interesting? So that predates the pyramids. Yeah, by a long way. Yeah. He's allegedly. Allegedly. Right. Well, if you go with the Orthodox data, the pyramid sure. Right. He says that, you know, so essentially 3 ,600 BC that it was built according to the tradition at the time 3 ,600 years. So with the conventional dating of the pyramids that's more than a thousand years earlier about a thousand years Yeah, a little less maybe and the conventional Danny's like It's questionable. I mean We even the carbon dating on the pyramids doesn't quite match the conventional dating. It's a little earlier than that So it's they what is the carbon dating from pieces and so they got But yeah, some, exactly, yeah, some mortar in the carbon dating.

34:12And what is that? Well, it would date. Yeah. So I believe it's like a wide range, but it's like several hundred years, like 200 years prior to what they would say is the time of Kufu, of Chiop's, the ruler in the fourth dynasty, certainly on the great pyramid at least. And what is the room for error when they do the carbon dig? Well, it depends on the samples, and it's a lot of specifics, but it could be plus, minus 20, 30, 50, 100 years. It depends. I think the margin of error they did multiple samples, I believe it's less than that so that they're pretty firm that the date is earlier. So it gets, it's kind of a critic, I mean, I think there's a bunch of people that have talked about the fact that the archaeologist don't really reference that date because it kind of messes up their timeline a little bit.

34:56Of course. He's not thousands of years, there's hundreds of years. So the explanation tends to be, well, it was old wood. So it's the ash that gets mixed into the mortar as the source for the carbon and they're saying, well, maybe they just burnt really old trees. That's very convenient. Right. It becomes convenient. Well, all of it's convenient, which gets really weird, because we know that they did some enhancements to the pyramid. Like they refurbished some things. Exactly. And so that's the problem. It was like, would you refurbished what, and how long was it there before you refurbished it?

35:27Indeed. I look, I think I don't, I don't discount the carbon dating. I think what you can say from the carbon dating firmly is that it shows that these pyramids were being worked on. If you can't, I don't think you can make the jump to say this is when they were built, you have to infer and say that I think this is when they were certainly being worked on in that period. So, I think it's possible that the domestic Egyptians could have finished the pyramids. They may not have been entirely pyramids originally. I think there's a strong chance that there were multiple phases of construction over a long time to them to end up being what they are in our time.

36:08I think those are all possibilities here because this is the whole, when you take a step back and look at the whole picture of ancient Egypt, you cannot attribute everything that we see in ancient Egypt to our current understanding of those dynastic Egyptians, their capabilities, these are their tools, their writings, and what we know about them. We know an awful lot. Like they do, we have tools from the ancient Egyptian toolbox. We've found them. We have depictions shown on walls of how they did things. They were very good about documenting them. So we have the tools, we have the depictions. We also have lots and lots of artifacts that match those tools and depictions, right?

36:46We've got these clearly handmade artifacts. And this is across all the categories of artifacts from things like stonework, columns, Obelisk's, or sorry, yeah, Obelisk and Vays' boxes, Pyramids even. And then you have this other category of artifacts that doesn't match. You can't be explained by these tools and techniques. And there's just no depictions on walls of how they made the precision artifacts. There's no... Do you think you mean example of these precision artifacts? Of course, yeah. And any category, I'll have it in that tale of two industries, Director Jamie on there. it's game on week one starts now and every touchdown brings you closer to a payout with Draft King Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL.

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38:43Please play responsibly on behalf of boothookasino and resorting Kansas 21 and over agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void an Ontario, new customers only, bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources, cdkng .co slash audio. Devices are probably the best example. They're a smoking gun example of it. 3D printed one. Yeah, so these to me, I mean, this is why the vase project was so, I mean to me, quite validating when it came up. Yeah, so that was the real thing. Yeah, the Schistisk. Yeah. So these are the smoking gun because they connect to everything else and we're learning so much about the precision of these things.

39:25However, but we could start with statues or boxes or, you know, columns. It doesn't really matter. there are two categories across all of these artifacts. And the advanced category again, it's so you can't really make them with the tools that the ancient Egyptians were, we know that we're using that we found. They don't show the, there's no scenes of building stone pyramids. There's no scenes of them making giant statues, like thousand -ton statues. This is the type of thing that you see on the wall, and this is in the Tomb of the Nobles and the West Bank at Luxor. And here they're building mud bricks.

39:58So they're firing mud bricks over the fire, there, you can see them, they're pouring them, they're shaping them, they're carrying them, it's all very relatively primitive. And we know they made mud brick pyramids, they made mud brick ramps and some of the mud bricks were big and heavy, but we know all about this. But you don't see is the stone pyramid building, the really massive megalith stuff. The next slide with the Vases is a good example. This is what I've been calling the tale of two industries. It's a whole theory that I've been putting together for the last few years. is again, you have a primitive industry that is clearly observably handmade.

40:31It lacks precision and symmetry. We found the tools, the Egyptians drew the scenes, the artifacts matched the tools and techniques, and then you have this advanced industry, visibly sophisticated. Usually very hard stone is the other characteristic. The primitive stuff is usually soft stone, although not always. These artifacts, as we're doing analysis on them, are showing this depth of precision and complexity that's phenomenal. all the vases, this is where they become a smoking gun to this whole argument. Can you, for people that don't know about this stuff, can just give them some numbers? Sure.

41:04So, yeah, the vases go back to pre -diagnastic times. There's no debate that these are pretty diagnostic. They predate what we would call the dynastic civilization. And over the last few years, we've been starting to analyze them. We, the vase scan team, various groups of people now, have been scanning these with modern technology, light -up scanning, laser scanning, even CTX ray scanning. And basically, they're coming back with precision in terms of circularity, flatness, centering, numbers that are very much equate to some of the best industrial processes that we do today in things like aerospace industry.

41:42So where it's really important to be within two or three or four thousandth of an inch of perfection for the parts we make for jet engines or rocket engines. Those are the numbers that we're seeing come back on a lot of these vessels, not all of them again. I don't want to say this is a truth for all of them. It's true for a lot of them though. And this is again, these are levels of precision that are not visible to the naked eye. I mean, you're talking human head like a sheet of printer papers like six or seven thousandths of an inch thick, a human head, two to three or four thousandths thick and you're seeing sometimes tolerances even lower than that.

42:16So it's not something you can feel or see or touch, but we see it again and again. And the only way we can achieve those sort of tolerances today is with very advanced machines. 3D, 5 -axis mills, really high precision lathe, CAD, like computer controlled equipment. It's probably the lead those the handles on this one. Right, so yeah, if you get into it, so this is the issue with this and one of the craziest things about it. And this is the OG VAs, the original granite vase. This is the one that started it all. It's one of the more precise ones. And yeah, you can imagine without the handles, you could lay that if you're spinning it, but if you had the handles, if you wanted these handles, you would have to leave a bull nose that runs all the way around it and then come back with a different process, a different tool to remove that space, that's basically the space between the handles off the body.

43:06And you don't see a lack of symmetry in those spaces. Well, precision, so this is the thing. So when we do that today, It's called you basically lose some positional calibration on your tool. So we account for that in the way we do industrial design of these sorts of parts. So we know that we're going to lose a little bit of precision when we change tools and process. Right? So we account for that. But you don't see that on this. When we did, I went back and we did the we did analysis of this area of the vase body in between the handles and there's no drop in precision relative to the rest of the vessel.

43:40So that means one of two things. One option is, okay, they could handle that positional, that lack of, that loss of positional calibration better than we can, or it wasn't done on a lathe and it was done in what you would call a single pass with a single tool. And the only way you can do that is on a, is with a tool with five axes of freedom. So now you're talking about a five -axis CNC mill, like one of those computer -controlled things that can just cut it out in basically one pass, but without changing tools and process. With incredibly hard stone. And that's the other challenge with this stuff and there's some samples of the stone there in front of you from vessels.

44:17So it's the actual stone? These are actual pieces from vessels. Yeah, they've got a private collector. I just got to think like who made this and how old is this? How old is this? This piece? At least 5 ,6000 years I think it's potentially quite old and we can get into how old I think. but so that's the other challenge that is rarely talked about is the material. Like we these things are made from granite, diorite, rock crystal, that thing's rock crystal basically quartz. It feels so hard. It's insanely hard. Yeah, all these different... Oh yeah, it's... It's like I have a granite mortar and pestle at home, it's a big heavy thing.

44:57It's like I don't need to protect it from anything. I have to protect my counters from it, because if I just... It's going to destroy anything it hits. and this is so thin. So that's, yes, so this is, that's the other, it's translucent, you hold a light up to it. Yeah, you can see it. Even the Rock Krista one's translucent. Wow. So that one gets down to about two millimeters thickness, just under the lip. Oh wow. Yeah, you put a phone light on it, you see it comes right through it. And I mean, so with granite and with diorite and particularly granite, I mean, it's essentially a conglomerate, right?

45:26So you have it, it's not a material that's homogeneous. So inside a granite you've got silica and horn blend and mica and all these different quartz and hence the pattern. Hence the pattern but also almost microscopically it changes hardness, you know what I mean? So some of that stuff is less hard than other bits and the way granite takes millions of years and heat and pressure to bond those things together atomically and that's the stone we get when it pops up out on the bedrock and we mine it. But it just means that when you're machining a material like granite It, you know, your tool tip is going from stuff that's really hard to softer to hard to end.

46:02It's like you have to account for that, yet we see this, you feel the surface of it. It's phenomenally well polished and finished. I mean, if you were doing this today with a lot of modern tool tips, you'd be ripping chunks of quartz out rather than cutting them. So something that the actual tool tip that made these things, we know, is also very fine because this is a very difficult substance to choose to work in. No stone sculptor chooses to work in granite unless that's what the project calls for. There's a reason they use marble is that it's both much softer and it's homogeneous, like it's the same material.

46:33It doesn't vary in harden, it's wildly. So making these sort of precision things and objects out of stuff like granite and getting it down to two millimeters thick, like that other piece near the lip. It's crazy. And there's even examples that get even thinner than that. Flinders Petri talked about a diorite vessel that was 140th of an inch thick about, he's He called it the thickness of stout playing card. Yeah, this is it here. Wow, look at the lake going through it. That's about two millimeters thick. That one's one of Matt Bell's Vays. It's probably my favorite. It's typically called the thin walled vase, but it's a phenomenal piece.

47:10I'm amazed it's actually survived this long because it is. That's one of the rare few delicate ones. You could break that because it's so thin because again, with this type of stone, it gets really brittle. It's like glass, like a cube of glass bang that on anything. thin glass shatters. Same as the stone, yet they did this again and again and again. How do we know that this is pre -dynastic? Well, from where they found, I mean, they're literally found in pre -dynastic burials. This is the real, this is why the vases are so important to me. And why I think they're the smoking guns, one of the big reasons is that they're uncontrovertibly pre -dynastic because they've been found in burials that are 100 % pre -honestic, Nicarter culture, Nicarter 2, you can go to any museum that has a reasonable collection of these and find them in the pre -honestic section, all over the, there's no debate.

47:59Like, they're found in these burials and they carbon date the burials or they culture date in the reference date to periods of thousands of years prior to the Dynastic Egyptian civilization. There's good evidence that they may even stretch back as far as 12 to 14 ,000 BC that they're in burials that go back that far in like the like southern Egypt northern Sudan area. Yeah, it's crazy. And a lot of those barrels unfortunately today are underwater because of the dam that created like NASA. But either way, I don't people will debate the how far back they go. It's just not controversial at all to say that they are pre -ionastic.

48:36100%. And I think the reason is is that they're this size, right? You can bury this with you. If you have it, and you can be buried with it, You can't do that with a thousand -ton statue. It stays on the site and then maybe someone down the road writes his name on it like Ramjes the Second or somebody puts Carves his name into it and then we come along thousands a year later and say, oh, Ramjes the Second's name's on that. Therefore, he must have had it made. I mean, that's essentially one of the core principles of Egypt, they do use the writing primarily as a source, not the only source, but they do.

49:11and the vases, what's the problem with even dating them to those pre -diagnastic settlements is that there is nothing about those cultures that indicates they had this capability. Necarta culture and even the ones like Toshka, these older ones, pretty similar in that you're talking like the burials are often like shallow, fetal position graves, that you find these precision hard stone objects with fishbone combs, sticks and stones, very primitive hand -throwed pottery, not even thrown, just hand -formed pottery. No other stonework. You know, I've seen antique Steelers that are selling these vases because there is a huge, there's a lot of these in the private market and in private possession, because of their size and their availability and how many there work, because there's hunt like.

49:59Are they illegal to possess? No, no. So you could get a holder one of those, in Billy? Yeah, there's, I know collectors with like 89 of them, 100 of them. What? Oh yeah, really? Yeah, they're on, they're on, How many of them available? There's, I would say today there's easily over 100 ,000 hard stone vessels for sure. I mean, they found 50 ,000 of them in one spot. Like, that's the famous discovery at the Step Pyramid. But yeah, it's crazy. There's a lot, I think there were even more. This was an industry. Like, that's the other key. And a lot of these are semi -exotic types of stone, too. We don't know where the stone came from.

50:33It's not local. And then a lot of cases, no. Like, there's lapis lazuli artifacts that are pre -dynastic. and there's no known quarry for Lappus in Egypt. The closest ones Afghanistan. What? Right. Yeah, well there's two. How far is Afghanistan from Egypt? No, I don't mean, must be. It's right over on the other side of the Middle East, I think, isn't it? It's over towards, yeah, it's up towards Russia and China. It's, um, Show that image again, Jimmy. Did you just pull it up? Yeah, what is the map? So there's the following, there's Egypt. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. I bet you've probably been to the doctor's office in the past few months.

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52:35Oh my God. So that's the nearest Lapis quarry. I mean, look, this is not a problem restricted to the Vases. Either there's a box in the Osiris shaft, which is more the box itself, just they say it's what's fourth dynasty. It's made from a stone called DASAIT. And again, there's no known quarry in Egypt for DASAIT. This happens a lot. So it's all back to that image, Jimmy, please. What's wrong with that? Yeah. There's one of the things that freaks me out about the map is when you go out, it looks like it was washed over. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I mean I've talked a lot with Randall about this. Look at that.

53:07Like go go back out again Look at that below it. Yeah, that's a horror. That's exactly what it looks like. It looks washed out. It is that's what it is Yeah, but that's crazy Like how much water washed that out? I mean, and how else would you get? What looks exactly like a water wash out? How else would those features be on the surface? It's a Yeah. Yeah, I mean some of those mountains and mountain ranges, but I can tell you in the desert not so much. I mean, there are mountains. That just looks like channels. It just looks like an insane amount of water literally washed over the area and smoothed it out.

53:43Yeah, I mean, there's huge, there's a massive amount of evidence for massive, the giant floods through the Nile Valley as well, not just across the Sahara, but I mean, Petri was talking about, he was up on cliffs, you know, and finding water lines and flint points and stuff that were indicative of massive floods. This is a wild, yeah, this is the labyrinth. Wow. So there's the canal. You see that's the canal I've been talking about the Barwabi canal. It is so crazy that when you get to like sub -Saharan Africa, like how little of that has been explored and how much of that was like insanely green and fertile.

54:16Not that long ago. Well, certainly not. Yeah, thousands of years ago. Well, it's interesting. I just, you know, I did a, I did this long video on the erosional features of the Giza Plateau. Because last year, 2024, they released a paper that they, I think some geologists, I can't remember the names unfortunately, but they talked about the fact that there was all of the valley temples. So these pyramid, you know, on all these pyramids that are on what you would call the, I mean, lower Egypt, so Giza, Abba Rahuash, Abusir, secure, secara, my doom. The pyramids aren't just the pyramids, the pyramid complex.

54:56So it's like you have a pyramid, you've got a structure in front of it, you've got this causeway that runs down to what then they would call a valley temple, a structure that's the end of the causeway. So that's the well -known valley temple that's next to the Sphinx is the valley temple for the middle pyramid. Like it's 10 -ected by this causeway. And then they figured out that during the African -Humid period, which ended thousands of years before or Dynastic Egypt ever started. There was a branch of the river Nile called the Aramat branch that ran exactly where all of these valley temples are.

55:29So it's like, I mean, I just look at and go, this was built, these were built for that water source because I think it's super, I'm very skeptical about the idea of all of these valley temples, particularly the one that Giza Plateau being used as harbors for like a couple months a year to transport all these blocks from the quarry and ass one. Again, 600 miles away right for all the granite and there's tens of thousands of tons, hundreds of thousands of tons of granite on that plateau that had to be transported. I don't think there's the depth there. I've seen pictures and photographs in early times, pre -dammed when the Nile flooded.

56:02There's not that much water there. However, during the African -Human period, which ended at the latest 6 ,000 BC, but stretches back thousands and thousands of years before that, that's when the Sahara was a savannah. You had river basins and lakes and rivers. You had a much more rainfall and it wasn't this flood situation. It wasn't this annual inundation. There was just rainfall and there was enough water in that Nile Valley to support this Aramat branch of the Nile which was said to be like a mile or two miles wide in someplace. Really not like an insignificant waterway. But it was high and over, it was running and they've traced the path of this Arimat branch and it turns out all of these Valley temples from these pyramid complexes are on its banks.

56:50And it wouldn't, it's like it's flooding, it's like they're all the time. And this period ends and you get the desertification of the Sahara starting around 6 ,500, 6 ,000 BC. And so, you know, it's not like until, you know, if you get 5 ,000, then 4 ,000, 4 ,500 BC, 3 ,000 BC, that's when you sort of, that's 3 ,100 BCs kind of when we say the Egyptian civilization started. So, it doesn't make sense to me that if they built these valley temples and these, and these all these structures in like 2 ,800 BC, I mean, what do you, you would build it where the river is, like the river was way down there at that point.

57:28Yeah. And so, I, what is the response to this? Well, I just put it in my... I mean, does anybody trade a debunk it? No, it's a peer -reviewed scientific study. This is what happens in these... with a lot of these papers, you'll see this in... it happens in genetics and the DNA studies that have been done too. You don't... these other scientists will not really step on the toes of the archaeologists or the historians, right? They'll present the data, but stop from inferring what it could mean for the picture of history. got it so they just to be left out the data out there and go you guys figured out Yeah, pretty much and they just whoop hands off like I'll just say we're not gonna touch it Yeah, they ignore it usually then okay, it's yeah, it's left for like rogue scholars and idiots like me on YouTube People the right books to really try and put the pieces together.

58:15There's a you Dude right. I mean thank God. There's a place where a video like yours can get millions of views We're so many people all around the world can watch that and go So, wait, what's going on down there? Who really knows? And why do these people, why are they so sure? Like, why are they so arrogant in their ideas? Because it's very clear that it's not, it's not a, you know, like we know Civil War and then in 1865, right? It's like it's all written down. Everybody knows people were alive. There's like photographs of the soldiers. We're pretty accurate with that. Yeah, you get to fucking 6000 BC man.

59:00You're just guessing. Yeah. It's a it's yes. Further back you go the much easy. You have evidence. You have a way less evidence. Yeah, and it's also it scares them because something like that if you really do find advanced structures that are at 6000 BC And before we go back to the topic, we didn't even know that that was even possible. And that's that famous conversation that happened with Robert Schock and that really arrogant archeologist. Mark Lina. Yeah. Which is, he's laughing. Like why would you laugh about ancient history first fall? What ancient civilizations are, is that guy still alive?

59:42Lina, yeah, show me the pochads. He must feel so stupid now. Well, yeah. After we go back to the topic, Like so much to show them that video and go, why are you laughing? Why? Because this is just human ego. This is human ego on display for the world. You want to be the gatekeepers of this information. You want to be the one person or the person that represents this group of human beings that are the scholars that have published work that have taught at universities. And you're the only ones. You're the only ones that know the ancient history of Earth, despite the fact that there's people like yourself and Graham Hancock, who've spent a lot of time, and they're very careful about what they say, and spent a lot of time investigating this, and they just want to dismiss those people, because they don't have the proper credentials or what are you talking about?

1:00:30Wait, I think it's, yes, that's exactly what's happening. I think it, and it is as a result of the fact that the conversation is getting out of their hands, right? If you, one of the things I admire so much about the people who started this, what we were called archeological, or Egyptological space, guys like Flinders Petrie. You know, they're very open about what they didn't know. Like one of my petri would tell, he talks about the machining marks and you can read between the lines at the wonder at what he's finding and he's like, I don't get it, like we can't do it, we don't know how they did it.

1:01:05And this is, I think because the conversation's happening in those halls, you know, the academic halls or the geographical club or whatever, these peers doesn't get out to the hall. And then, and so that slowly changes with the rise of initially like alternative authors, you know, which best represented by Graham Hancock, a good friend of mine as well. And he, you know, his books and they start to gain in popularity. And now these, I guess the people in the, in the academic halls of residence that are typically considered the authority, you're seeing this conversation get out of hand. And now you get to YouTube where, you know, it's, to some extent, I think it is possible to do an end -run, or an end -run around what they're saying.

1:01:40And I do watch people and they're, guys like Flint that are trying to embrace that new media space and try and get on podcasts. And, you know, if you read the SAA journals and articles, the Society of American Archaeology, they're literally writing to themselves saying, how can we become more popular in this space? And how do we start podcasts and get into it? The problem is they're still doing it the same way. They are. And it's this thing. Like when CNN journalists get fired from CNN and start a podcast. And everybody's like, no, you're doing CNN outside of CNN. That's what they're doing during academia, which is like gatekeeping of information, and also like, pejoratives mocking, really shitty behavior towards anyone who's outside of it, including calling them racists, calling them white supremacists, it's so dumb.

1:02:26It's so dumb because one of the dumbest parts about it is, no matter what, those are the people that lived in Africa. So no matter what, no matter what happened, No, but whoever built that is people that lived in Africa. So shut the fuck up. Like the white supremacy thing makes no sense. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's Africans. It's Africans. One hundred, look, that's the people that we're living there. If humans made it, you know, if you're not an alien camp, which is a bizarre camp, but if you're not in the, I'm in the ancient civilization, incredibly advanced, cataclysmic disaster, wipes them out, civilization takes a long time to rebuild, finds the remnants of these ancient civilizations and then sort of claims them over generations.

1:03:09After a thousand years, nobody really knows who fucking built it. You know, and then this is where I think we find ourselves. That's where I'm at. But if you're in that camp, you're talking about Africans. So all these shitty things they do just show their hand. Just show what they're really all about. What you're really all about is silencing anything that really throws a monkey wrench into everything you've been teaching for decades. Like you've claimed that you're the expert. You've claimed arrogantly that you have all the information when you clearly are wrong. Absolutely. That is what's happening.

1:03:46It's actually, it's a quote that I steal from my friend Christopher Dunn, quite happily, which is, you know, you wouldn't trust an archaeologist to design the chair sitting on. But if it's an ancient chair, he's gonna claim he's the expert on it. Like this, and this is what happens. I had Joseph Wilson non -podcast talk about, he's great quote from me, he said, you know, just because some engineer standing there, you know, shining a laser on a vase, don't let that, don't mistake that for him knowing more about the guy who can read Hieroglyphs because he can read what they wrote about it and he's the authority on it kind of thing.

1:04:16It's just like, you're just dismissing all of these other disciplines that are, that I think are required for a true and complete picture of trying to assemble this evidence, right? that shows us definitively what happened in the dim dark distant past. But it's, you got to try and make the case for it as best you can. And I think we should try and encompass all of the evidence. And one of the disciplines that's missing from that approach is the engineering stuff. It's the precision stuff. It just gets dismissed out of hand. And yeah, just because we're not the authority figures on that on that topic, it just, yeah, they ignore it, which is what happens.

1:04:52I don't know how you can ignore the vases, how you can ignore the statues, the symmetry, construction of the faces. It's starting to become a problem. They're trying. And even in the past, when I would guess the mainstream approaches to try and solve, say, some of the machining examples, the two bilidrilles or the saw cuts, when you dig down into them, and the answers that you get and the explanations that are offered are just, they don't hold any water. They're frankly ridiculous. Well, the issue with the drill bits is the revolutions per minute, right? I mean the core. Yeah, well it's not the revolutions per minute, it's the penetration rate.

1:05:32We don't know how quickly it does. How, yes, so how quickly it penetrates into stone. I suspect that it's, that it was, it could have been turning quite slowly, but it's like a one in 60 penetration rate is the rate of the spiral groove on the cores that have been analyzed, particularly Petri's core. Number seven. One in 60 meaning. One in so for like, if you unwind that circular motion to a straight line, 60 inches horizontal travel one inch vertical drop which is 500 times greater than how we do it today with modern diamond tipped sauce, whole sauce which do turn. So our modern ones bear in mind they you know 900 RPM they'll cut through grand slowly but it cuts I mean no doubt it grinds more more so than cutting but yeah unwinding that spiral and looking at that's what peachy was first of all like how is this possible.

1:06:21His numbers got refined a bit by Chris Dunn but more or less or one in 60 penetration So it's very difficult to explain. There are multiple cause like this. And this is the other element that I think the Vases are showing is that you have a technological link between the Vases and these other precision artifacts, the bigger ones that couldn't be buried in these civilizations. That to me suggests that they were made with the same technology. You see the same machining marks, the same tubular drill marks. So on that quartz piece, if you look on the bottom, you can see the, on the inside of it, there's no other side.

1:06:54You see the toolmark? There's a... This right here? Yeah, so this is like that's the tubular drill. So this is... That's a core function of how these vases are made. You would often find... So this is the bottom? The bottom... So they've called that thing out and then they've snapped it off and polished it down, but they didn't eliminate the full toolmark. And you'll see that in a lot of vases. So we know that these tubular drills were used with the vases as well. And we... If no idea the power source, no idea what the material was, that cut? No. Well, yeah. So, yeah, the vases have become interesting.

1:07:29One of the, let me talk about the provenance part first, because that's been the one, like, the push back on the vases, this is where it's become a problem, is nobody's really been able to push back on the data, like the scientific, then the measurement data that's come out, the precision, fact, the geometry. There's a whole bunch in the geometry space that indicates that they are, like designed, they're not just made, they were designed with mathematical and geometrical geometric principles in mind. They show pie, they show fire, the golden ratio, fibrinology sequence, all this sort of stuff is in them.

1:08:05No one's pushing back on that. The major pushback on the vessels and the early days of the vase scan project was that these are modern fakes or something like they're not the real deal because they're not coming from museums, they've been their modern forgeries, you how can you say they're real? So what's happened in the years since and when I first came on here and talked a little bit about that, that was very much the early days of this project about two and a half years ago now. Now the vase scan, particularly the artifact foundation Adam Young, who started this whole thing, who owns, he actually, this is his copy of his vase.

1:08:37They've been in now four museums around the world. We've scanned close to a hundred vessels from inside of museums with impeccable provenance. Those results are starting to come out. They're matching the results that we found so far. So the provenance thing is kind of, that's going away. The people that I think chose to fight on the hill of provenance have died on it now. It's their 100 -day hour legitimate. And to be fair, you can also find vessels in private collection with impeccable provenance, just as you can find a lot of vessels in museums that will have no idea where they came from. It's a much, it's not as clear as just what if it's in a museum, we can trust it and if it's not, we can't.

1:09:15It's not like that. But what else has happened is that there's other, so the project came out and it gained a lot of interest from really talented people around the world. And there's been several of those. One of the guys that I've been working with AffairBit lately over the last couple of years ago named Dr. Max Zamolov, who's a physicist. I believe he taught for 10 years, he's a nuclear physicist, taught for 10 years, I think at Penn State, he runs his own company now. And I first, he reached out to me and actually we took these fragments to his house and I rolled up to his house in Florida and sitting in his living room at two like scanning electron microscopes, you know, as you do who doesn't have two SEMs in their living room.

1:09:56So we started to do things like, like look at these pieces through a scanning electron microscope to try and find evidence for the materials that we used to cut them. So you should, if these were used with a tool so that the orthodox explanation being, well, it's a copper tube and it's sand or it's some sort of cutting medium and it's, it's spun and ground out. You should find traces of copper or whatever that material was in there. We looked at, we spent days looking at several pieces, zero, zero copper, like, didn't find any copper. Nothing at all. The nice scanning electron microscope, not only do you get the magnification, but you can focus a beam of electrons onto a particular spot.

1:10:34And that backscatter of electrons, you can then map out the elemental composition of the material. So you can pause for a second here? Yeah. Yeah, are the oldest tools that they found copper? Yeah, copper and stone. And what are the dates of the oldest tools? Well, they go back all the way to the old kingdom, 26, 27, 2800 BC. Like, yeah, it was early days they were smelting. I mean, obviously the older tools are stone tools, like flint. I mean, a lot of carving, you can carve stone with harder types of stone. So there was definitely flint and things being used. But there's no evidence like not up until like the very later periods of the Egyptian civilization Is there any significant evidence for iron and things like that like it's pretty much copper and bronze alloys tin?

1:11:15Copper and tin is once So when they analyze the the traces there's no copper we didn't find any copper We didn't find some other stuff which was very interesting well the most interesting thing we did find was titanium What? Titanium and titanium alloys with iron if you have iron zinc tin Tateum alloys. Yeah, so titanium and it's not, yes. So, yes. So when you find... The term alloy, doesn't that refer to something that has... It's melted, right, that's been put together exactly. In fact, you know, titanium, as we know it as a metal, doesn't exist naturally. So it's in nature, it's titanium dioxide that is found in rocks.

1:11:57This was not titanium dioxide that we were looking at because you see a, again, that the The SEM gives you the spectrum, right? So you would see oxygen and titanium together. We didn't see that. And in fact, I did a, I have a video on this and it's, we found a piece actually, like a small maybe 20, 30 micron wide piece embedded in one of those grooves in a tool tip that look like an embedded piece. It shines up very brightly. When you see metals on this in the SEM, it's like a bright spot and you can aim at that. And it was just straight titanium. And it looked like a small piece of a tool that had been wedged in there.

1:12:31and I mean, looking in our modern times, I mean, titanium was discovered even in the late 1800s. It wasn't used outside of laboratories until the 1930s as a material. But there seems to be evidence that there's some titanium. Is this the published? No, I wouldn't, I know Max is trying to work on that. I would, it was not a systematic, we spent days, like a couple of days, and it's, we didn't do like a systematic grid search, which like even in one of those pieces you could spend, it would take you a long time to just map it properly, like to scan the whole thing. But it's a play with devil's advocate.

1:13:09Would that be evidence of lack of a chain of custody that perhaps someone was using titanium to see if they could cut it? Yes, it could be contamination. So we looked for signs of contamination. This didn't seem like contaminating. fact, at the end of when we'd finished scanning, we actually took, he had some titanium darts, like he was, we put some on one of the pieces and put it in to see what that would look like, just like a tiny, just like a lyruria, a matchstick and just the tiniest end and just tapped it and then looked at that on the other mark, to look at what contaminant. It just didn't seem to be contamination.

1:13:47You can't rule it out. There's, we found other types of metals as well. So it didn't seem to be contamination. What is the reason why it didn't seem to be that? Well, because it didn't, so we looked at what contamination would look like. What is the difference? Well, so it's like smaller specs where you can actually see the material. The one piece that we found it seemed to be embedded in the stone. Like it was, as if something like this tiniest fragment of the tool, of some sort, if, imagine it was a tool tip, wedged itself in the stone and then it stayed there, but it was only like 20 or 30 microns wide, which was pretty big under a scanning electron microscope.

1:14:21But that was the only piece of totem we found other specs of it. and then occasionally be titanium and iron mixed together. And then we also found specs of like zinc, zircon and tin, and then various combinations. I honestly, I think it's grounds for more investigation. I think the most significant thing was the no copper thing. Like that's like, all right, no copper. Like that to me was the biggest takeaway, the fact that we found some other elements and pieces of what let's say questionable provenance. I know these are legitimate pieces from these vessels. Ideally, the best thing if we could, this I'd love to work with the Egyptians to do something like this because I know who there are fragments of vessels in the step pyramid and there's 100 ,000 of them down there still.

1:15:07In fact, like the last time we've got down to the very bottom level, which is a special permission required to get into the step pyramid. And then even then, they generally won't let you down to the bottom level. There's another ladder and 30 feet down to the big bottom level. It goes down further, but it hits the water table again. But in one of these corners, and there's very bottom level, you're like a hundred and fifty two hundred feet under the step pyramid, we found a wall, and it was a collapsed, it must have been a collapsed magazine of these vessels. And this is the place where they found 50 ,000 of them, originally like, like Jean -Philippe Loyer in the 1930s found this huge cache of these vessels there.

1:15:44And in this wall, it's an incredible little video. I've not published it. I mean, I do want to talk about it, but you could, you literally see that it's like a wall of dirt of not rock But dirt and in the wall is like fragments of vessels because it had been a cache of them That there's something a tunnel had collapsed and it had crushed them So you've got these like pieces of worked granite or die right or whatever just in the wall So I that would be interesting if you could go down there and like get their permission to say well Let's sample you because you have then you know You've you've basically got it in its original environment from Dynastic Egypt and put it in a ziplock or whatever just keep it, don't mess with it.

1:16:19Clear chain of evidence. Clear chain of evidence and then scan it. So I think it's an interesting observation. Kind of they found titanium on that. Holy shit. I think there's a Russian group that did something similar and they also found metals. I think they found titanium as well. LAH, the laboratory of alternative history. How is titanium made? It's a smelting process from titanium dioxide. I don't know the specifics of it. But you have to take that titanium dioxide and I assume smelt it down or do something like it. again, it took us up until, you know, 1930s to use it, just anywhere outside of labs.

1:16:53So it's super interesting. But again, this, I wouldn't even say that's the most interesting thing Max found. So he's a crazy dude, an interesting guy. He's, you know, he's doing fusion experiments in his spare bedroom. It's got like this apparatus surrounded by boxes of borax and bull. I don't know what the last name is. I'm going to tell you what's going on. 10 foot Tesla go below. So he took, so again, then this is, this sort of ties back to the tool marks. It ties back to a question you asked me when I was here last, which is what's my wildest speculation. I actually have some now, which is based on some evidence in its early days.

1:17:28He has published on this on his website, but he took precision vases. He took base rock samples of the rock that these were made from, from the place. I actually got him a piece of basalt. He took non -precision vases and he put them in a germanium detector basically to look at the radioactive and the isotope sort of baseline radiation of these pieces and it turns out the precision vases are radioactive. They're they're two to three time he's tested several relative to the base rock samples and the non -precision vases they have two to three times the thorium decay products in them all of them so far.

1:18:10And in fact, that piece right there has a, he said, has a, the quartz piece or the crystal piece has a notable CZM137 signature in it as well. So that's an interesting nuclear titanium. I don't know about that. But it's so he's, look, it's, again, early days that he's, he has published it on his website, Defindings. And he is, he's obtaining more equipment to do more testing, some more in -depth testing that he will be much more definitive about. He did take some recently to the Petri Museum in London to test some of their artifacts, but it's a very interesting result. There has to have been something that irradiated these vessels that give them that signature even after however many thousands of years with the Half -Life.

1:18:55Again, we're comparing it to the base rock samples and the non -precision vases, which they're just like, that's nothing. They're not dangerous or anything. It's just above a baseline, but two to three times. So something happened to them. One of his hypotheses, which is very interesting, is a concept called nuclear machining. So he's actually, this is not a new idea. It's not something we've figured out how to do as a civilization yet. We're on that path, but if you take his theory as something like palladium or another radioactive material that is is a strong, alpha or beta particle admitter that you could put on a tool.

1:19:35It would ablate either in neutrons or it's blasting electrons or something. It would ablate the stone surface away in such a way that you could carve this stone with ease. Kind of like a lightsaber basically. And it would also leave a signature in the stone. And you fuck yeah. And you take it back to that penetration rate of that spiral tube drill. Yeah. It's not, all we can say about things like that spiral tube drill and the other thing, the other striations and toolmarks is, look, it doesn't seem to be the same thing we do to the stone, and it's certainly not primitive. It's not something you can do just by hand.

1:20:11So is anybody, the cause? Has anybody tested the radioactive levels of the cause? I think he, I don't, he might have tested the cause when he was there recently. I'll have, I'll talk to him, I'll talk to him to this morning. I can ask him about the core. That's a great question, because that would, it's the, if it was the process, it should show something similar. If that's indeed the process, look, the other possibility is, okay, they weren't machined with this method, but these were used in some method. The other theory he has that these may have been part of a process for enriching material for some other nuclear use, although a part of a system that used nuclear material.

1:20:50They had advanced nuclear science somehow or another. That's just too much. It's too much. I mean, it's not too much, but it's too much. It's too much. It's too crazy. It's so crazy. But also, when you do see some of the sculptures that look 3D printed, and you go, well, okay, now it kind of at least makes a little sense. See, if we knew for sure that there was a cataclysm and a law civilization, that civilization had achieved some immense heights of technological sophistication in a completely different pathway than we've done in modern times. If we knew that for sure, then everything would be so easy.

1:21:32You'd go, okay, well clearly they were doing something. What were they doing? But instead, we deny that possibility. So by closing off that door, now you're left with nonsense. You're left with sand and copper and it's dumb. I agree. Yeah, I agree. I think it's something fucking crazy happened. Yes. Yes, I, yes. I think there is, this is, I try to follow the evidence where it leads. That's all we're doing here with, I mean, I'm quoting what Max has said about it with this nuclear machining hypothesis. And he's the thing about - A lot more study needs to happen. The nuclear machining hypothesis, if it's starting to interrupt you.

1:22:09But if you go a thousand years from now, for sure we're gonna have that. Yeah, that's, that's, yes. I'd like to put that the same context in these arguments forward as well. It's like we just don't, to me the answer is, You know, we tend to look at the past and it always has to be this subset of what we know, right? But it's like if you look at the history of knowledge and technology Give us 50 ,000 50 years a thousand years 50 ,000 years You know that there's more out here to the sides that we're gonna learn right? So that means there are realms of science and technology that we don't know anything about I think I think if we were a bit more open -minded about investigating some of these mysteries of the past with some of these inexplicable characteristics, the precision or the machining, the engineering things, how the stone was cut.

1:22:53I think some of those answers could lay in those realms of the unknown. And by being open -minded about them and by investigating them with all of our capability, we might even end up learning something about them, which is what we're doing. Like the Vase scan project, we are learning the depths of precision in some of the machining aspects of it. and Max is starting to learn like, okay, there's some weird radioactive characteristics of these things, let's try and look at more and figure out some more. I mean, we can speculate a bit now, and I wanna be clear, this is all very speculative at this point, lots more testing and data is required to even shore up some of these theories about these possibilities, but the fact remains, they are possibilities.

1:23:35Right, and it's also this assumption that there's been a linear path of progression, always. But that's not that's not even the case today, right? You can go to Ancient sites whether it is in Mexico or even in Greece and you see really shitty construction Right next to the Parthenon yep, right? I mean the Acropolis and the Parthenon is right next to crappy apartment buildings They're really close right? Yeah, that's a decay. That's a you've obviously you can't do you know Why didn't you do that do that again like this? Yeah, it's huge It's something there's something weird. There's something weird going on and this is like 2000 years ago where we knew who they were we know the people we know they did it like amazing precision amazing construction methods incredible art incredible engineering and architecture right yes and All understandable, but yet more advanced than the techniques utilized in 2025 in the exact same area which is weird.

1:24:41So that's without a cataclysm. Right. Well, yeah, it's also a nice criticism of modern architecture to be fair. I mean, you can don't even go back 2000 years, just go back to the Gothic era with the churches and the cathedrals. Jesus, why don't we build that anymore? Right, right. Good point. So you see a decline at least in craftsmanship that can be attributed to changing of cultures. But this assumption that there's always this linear path of progression, and if you go back, they were dumb. You go back far enough, they were dumb or... But that doesn't seem to be the case here. And Egypt is the best example.

1:25:15It is. Explain that. Yeah, dude, exactly. And it's one of the biggest, if anyone, it's one of the biggest contradictions about Egypt is exactly, it's the technological progression. I mean, you're talking about a tenastic Egyptian civilization, at least 3 ,000 years, right? It's like 3 ,000 years. but if you look at it from a technological progression perspective, it's almost like they went backwards the whole time. I mean, you have the emergence, all of a sudden, of this culture and language, like they're gods, one of the craziest things about ancient Egypt is this emergence of hieroglyphs. Just, here it is.

1:25:50Here's this complex, extremely complicated language, cultural system, gods and everything pops out of nowhere. It's pretty consistent. It evolves over time. It doesn't really, it doesn't change that much. I mean, uniform in Samaria. There's a clear progressive path where we can see it being developed. We don't have that. That's not the case for Ancient Egypt. And then it's all of the best stuff is the oldest. It's the biggest stonework, the Valley Temple, the 2 ,500 tons of granite in the King's Chamber structure. That's in the Great Pyramid. The Great Pyramid itself, these things are amongst the very first pyramids ever said to have been built.

1:26:29But, yet, progressively as you go forward in time, I mean, they just get to mud -brit pyramids. It's almost like you're going backwards. And there's just, you know, they're technologically speaking, it doesn't seem like they progress very far. So I think there's another interpretation for that data one that fits the evidence a little better, which is that I think they got a kickstart, they got a head start, they inherited an awful lot of objects. We know for sure these precision objects were around before the ancient Egyptians, they They don't match even the cultures that predated them. We have no idea where they got them from.

1:27:02They, I don't think they made them. We don't know how old they really are. And I think there's a lot of other artifacts and architecture on these sites that they match these, like technologically speaking. There's a link, the same tools, the same precision we're seeing that. Yet these are massive artifacts, sometimes like a thousand ton statue, that you can't bury with you. It stays on this site. It gets inherited. It gets renovated. It gets reused. eventually you get kings with hubris and arrogance guys like Ramses the second that says you know carve my name three inches deep onto that sucker.

1:27:32It's going to be me. I want to be part of the gods. These are the you know I want to tie myself to the ancients. And the really crazy thing is that doesn't often get admitted is that this is literally what the ancient Egyptians themselves said. They called themselves a legacy culture. They traced their own history back 40 ,000 years. They have a list of kings. They talk about these different eras of time. The Shem -Suhaw, the followers of Horus, was this 12 ,000 year period where these mythical semi -divine beings walk the earth. You can talk about kings and rulers and that. And then before that, you have Zeptepi when the gods themselves walk the earth and they trace their own history way back into those eras.

1:28:13That's the stuff that I brought up with Zahee. And he was like, what is this? He just got very mad. It's funny. I'm reading where I'm listening to the book of Enoch right now. Okay. Yeah, that's the mall you had to. Yeah. It's so wild. You're going, what are you saying? Like, God's the watchers came down and made it with women of earth and created... Nephilim. Yeah, the Nephilim. Like, what are you saying? Like what, what were you trying to say? Thousands of years ago when they wrote this down, and the version I think that we're getting this from is from the Dead Sea Scrolls, from Kumron. So how long did they write it down before that?

1:29:04How long did they discuss this? How long did this happen? And what are you saying? Like what were they trying to record? Yeah. Yeah, it's and why does it match up with what they're saying in Egypt the gods walking amongst us Right, yeah, it's it's it goes to some wild places. I know it gets so squirrely And that's where you get into the alien camp well that 40 40 meter tic tac shape from a telecom What yeah, what is that thing well? What kind of metal? We don't know imagine if it's titanium Could be he said it didn't match any signature that he'd seen before that's crazy Do you know of itself?

1:29:42It's one of the things I'll remember always about, when you were sitting here talking to Bubbles R, and he said that some of those craft came from archaeological digs. I mean, it's part of his story. There's long been rumors of that type of stuff in, you know, under the ground in Egypt. I'm not saying that's what it is, but this is what, yeah, this is what Tim said about it. That would be amazing. It would be, there's a UFO down there. All layers converge at a central corridor, avenue like the Atrium of Shopping Mall, where you can see all floors from one vantage point. My personal interpretation is that this entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned freestanding object about 40 meters long.

1:30:21The central object is hard to classify. It appears metallic, not stone or wood. I named it Dippy after the giant Diplodica skeleton in the Hintsey Hall of London's, is that, as I said, right? Hintz? Hintz Hall of London's Natural History Museum. Museum it could be anything it shape resembles those tic tac hardmints It might also be an upright disc or even a colossal Shen ring and what is a Shen ring? It's like the Katush You know that the thing around a Katush. Oh wow Big object the lone raises profound questions. How did it get there? Why is it there a more speculative theory is that it's some kind of portal Oh boy now we're going we're going full tin foil either interdimensional or interstellar, a stargate.

1:31:06Its material signature is unlike anything I've seen in my entire career, but it's there undeniably there. I'll let the future find out what Dippy is, Tim Acres. Well, that's, he went full art bell right there. He did. Interdimensional or interstellar, a stargate? Hey, the Egyptians talk about stargates. Do they? Did go to where is it? Dendera there's actually a couple places the literal translation You can read it on the walls. Oh, you show people when we go there It is there are two or three depictions of star gates that is the little translation for it showing a constellation With a gate and it's a specific constellation a couple of different they're all on different constellations We're gonna find that we're gonna see this.

1:31:50It's there's pictures of star gates from dent and dendera temple I think it's in the upper rooms Yeah, it's up where the Zodiac. So that's actually the Dendera is incredible. Like it is a star oriented temple. There's massive depictions of the Zodiac. And this is all redone from older versions of the same temple. But that is the translation of what's on the wall with the constellation and the gate. And it literally translates as stargate. That is part of... Well, that's the ceiling is the Zodiac. You even have depictions of solar boats going up to the moon at Tendera. Randall loves that temple.

1:32:28I have sent him a lot of footage from that temple. No, it's actually... I don't know, you'd have to look up the... Yeah, just stargate Glyph maybe at Tendera. Yeah, Glyph, I'll tell you if you see it.

1:32:49No, I don't see the exact one. But it's not I mean it's literally a cluster of stars that represents a constellation I'm afraid. This is killing me. Oh, it's fine. I know I probably have it on my hard drive. Do you have it with you? It's in on my laptop. If you want to see it up. Yes. You have laptops out there. Yeah, yeah. Go grab it. We'll pause. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Not on what you gave me. Huh? Not on what you gave me. There's not on that one. I didn't think we'd get into the Stargate. I'm going to try and find it. I'll try and find it. All right. We'll be right back folks. Okay, so we found it from a video from Trevor Grosse on YouTube.

1:33:23The video is titled Hieroglyphic Proof of Stargate Technology with Muhammad Ibrahim, Mike Rick Ricksecker and Trevor Grosse. So this is what we're looking at. See, it's like there's a glyph as you can see the star and there's a guy actually trying to find one of the other pictures maybe. There's stars in the circle. That's what the star supposed to be? Yeah, the star on the right, no, no, on the far right. Yeah, there's the horror glyph. So again, yes, stargate. It's the, you see the gate and then the star. And then I assume that that crooked hook or whatever is part of this as well. Oh, I see.

1:34:01So it's how the way you translate the horror glyph. Yes. Yes. And it's my humble Ibrahim, who I know quite well as well. He's very good at translating these these glyphs. When I travel in Egypt, we usually go with Professor Muhammad Jabra, who's one of, I would say top four or five in the world for reading Heuragliff, so you can just read whatever's on the wall and tell you about it. He travels with us on these tours. It's phenomenal. He just shows us this. There's probably some better pictures of ones with the actual constellations up at Dendera if they get into. Yeah, but that one we were standing next to each other, go back a little.

1:34:36No, where's it? No, back a little. Yeah, there, there. Yeah, so see this is the one I'm talking about. You see the stars the stars above the gates. So there's literally different these and with the words they relate to specific constellations. This is in the top the what's the zodiac room at at Dendera where they have a replica of the circular zodiac on the ceiling. The French have the original but this this is original and it is the translation of this is literally stockate for these constellations. That is bananas. And what are these constellations supposed to be? I don't know off the top of my head.

1:35:15We do tell people when we get into it, there is, yeah, I could find out, but I don't know off the top of my head, I'm sorry. Click that one that you just had to do, Jamie. No, no, no, no. We're just at all, yeah, right there. So yeah, more gates. They say similar again the gate with the cookbook and the star. Stargate. That's bananas. Yeah. Yeah. So when they're referring to a stargate, are they saying in any way, what that means? No. No, it's, I mean, they would, I mean, most of the interpretations these days would tell you that it's always symbolic. I mean, they do look at like the, the, the, the, the constellations in the sky as being connected to the duart or to do it like this, the duart being the space and not the goddess who is the sky and you know it's all part of that passage from the of the soul going into the realms of the mortal of the immortal that happens after death.

1:36:15So this is the you know this symbolic interpretation that we that we give it all. We say oh this is none of this it sort of falls into this category a little bit of like everything is symbolic everything is ceremonial nothing is functional. I'm fascinated by these temples because it goes back to something you were saying earlier. And I use this analogy to kind of set the stage for it. Imagine, again, imagine if young a drice happened to us tomorrow, whatever, I hope that's what it doesn't. But say it wipes out civilization, but we survive as humans. Within what, two, three generations, we're sitting around and campfires telling stories about fucking these things that were like a black rock.

1:36:57And it's just, and you know, it's like, or plasma TVs, but you say, look, if you get this shiny black rock, you know, you can get answers from the ancestors. You will know everything. You can talk to anything, you can see anything. You can ask a question. You can ask it questions. And maybe you go and you start getting black rocks and making them like this, and you start dancing around the fire, you start ritualizing this memory of technology. Now, if you take that concept, like say there's a cataclysm, and now there's people that remember and they tell these stories, the stories get passed down.

1:37:28Now imagine there's a civilization that comes up, and it goes through thousands of years of structuring those legends and stories of technology. They go through just distortions and representations and symbolism, but it's just twisting all of these stories into this iconography and this complex symbolism that we then, I think we go to a temple in Egypt that was made in the Tolamaic era or whatever. And it's, you see things on the wall. I think there's a great way to interpret some of those symbols and some of the paintings to say that, well, is this actually an echo of something that was functional or is an echo of technology?

1:38:09Like every staff that you see has a tuning fork on the bottom of it. Every single one on these walls, it's always got a tuning fork on it. What's that all about? You know, tuning fork. Tuning fork, like a little like a tuning fork. Yeah, all of the staffs with the wash head, it means power. Like it literally the interpretation of this symbol is power on top of the staff and every single one of them has a tuning fork on. Can we see an image of that? Yeah, you can look up any of the temples in Egypt and like the depictions of gods with staffs that and they're and they're touching or they're giving like the the the the the jet pillow or the you know the the unk which is jet pillow stability the unk is life the was is power so in a lot of cases these gods are granting kings you know life stability and power sometimes just life and power but what are those depictions of these enormous syndical cylindrical things that they're holding that look almost like one of those transformers club yeah like that one there that's the that's a like the the jet pillar here?

1:39:10Yeah, what the hell is that? That's a great image. That literally is the symbol for stability. And that thing down is what I was talking about. Oh, the quote unquote light bulbs, yes, at Dendera Temple. And there's a jet pillar there too with the hand. So the jet pillar is stabilizing it with its hands. Right. And you're on a boat. You're actually part of this is on a boat. It looks like some kind of technology. So you know what's crazy about this. So again, we get down into this. This is in a crypt at Dendera. You have to crawl through a hole and get inside wall. It's amazing because the Christians, and they didn't get into the crypt so they couldn't deface the glyphs.

1:39:47Like a lot of the glyphs are defaced. Look at that guy, he looks like an air traffic controller. Well, he's like a reptilian too. He's a frog dude with knives. Yeah, what is that dude? With a tail. Does he have a fucking tail? Yeah, he does. He does look like a giant frog man. Yeah. Wow. So what's crazy about there is a whole story about this. then he's written on the walls. And again, this is thanks to my friend, Yusuf Aewan, who I guide with, and then Professor Jabra, who can interpret this. And we, actually, I'm gonna do a video about this soon, because what he is saying about this crypt is that it tells you on the wall that there was a physical version of that thing in that crypt.

1:40:24That was, he said it was made from mostly gold, and it was the span of, like, I'd do it with his arms out, like a span of a human wing span, basically. I thought I was someone across something and they're called it electrom. There are these two, there's a metal, these 3 .3 ton obelisk that were made out of a metal called electromic gold and silver. Yeah, electroms gold. And so they definitely used gold and silver. The lot of the obelisks had electrom, which is, I think, great for conductivity. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah, I mean, which is really the only good reason to have it other than looking good.

1:40:57Right, yeah, other than ballin. Yeah, other than ballin, which they were ballin. Which is, yeah, I'm just a little bit of a sidetrack, but when you're talking about the nuclear stuff, I found these stories of the Oklo mine and Gabon, which is a nuclear natural nuclear reactor. Whoa. That is very cool. Four billion years old and a hundred thousand working all this nuclear reactor in history. Oh, it's enriching uranium from it. Oh, yeah, it's enriching uranium. It's probably troll -enriched uranium. Yeah, imagine if it's in Africa, so I don't know if that was the only place they've ever found. That makes sense, right?

1:41:32And then Africa, is there something like that in Afghanistan where this stone came from? Oh, the Lapis Lazuli and everything else. I don't know. I mean, I assume that I would be, I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing is happening somewhere in the mass of uranium in Australia either, because that's like one of the world's biggest uranium deposits. I imagine if it's enough mass of you, I think it's uranium 238, and the Toronto, no, 235 to get to 238, well, the other way around, But if there's enough mass and neutrons hitting each other it might be enriching it somehow I think that's probably what's happening there.

1:42:04I'm no nuclear scientist Let's go back to those high -regulants Jamie The lizard guy the frog guy or whatever that reptilian thing is Mm -hmm that freaks me out. Yeah, it's the stuff of nightmares at times. It's it's gone away because that's you know one of the things that the weirdest The weirdest stories when we start talking about aliens is the different types that visit. And that one of them is a reptilian species that are the most creepy to deal with. Which makes sense. The same thing. It would be. Yeah, I mean that reptilian reptiles on Earth. Chickens are assholes, you know. Right. They are.

1:42:44And sore commoto dragons. And the idea that somehow or another, they could eventually reach incredible levels of technological sophistication and intelligence. We kind of rule that out, but look, there's clearly primates that are way dumber than us, right? So why do we assume that it's only primates that reach an incredible high level of sophistication when we know that crows, which are really fucking close to dinosaurs, crows, super smart, like smarter than most kids. Yeah, problem solving smart. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you can't, yeah, I don't think you can, you can't put a Restrictor on what evolution want produce not in any of these especially when intelligence is being exhibited by Yeah, things that are really close evolutionarily to reptiles.

1:43:30Yes Yeah, and that would just be yeah, you get to that like just lack of empathy This that reptilian brain is just aggression and like everything that's not us is the enemy you come That's the mind fuck a smart dinosaurs. Oh, yeah, I mean that was in Jurassic Park right the raptors There was a little girl. Yeah, there was smart. Yeah. Which, you know, makes sense. Yeah, it's the whole pack, yeah, the instinct. But the idea that we were visited by intelligent reptiles is fucking bananas. Yeah, I put, look, with the aliens, I don't often address it. But I put it firmly in the realm of like possible.

1:44:04Like it's just, I don't, I think when you look at the vastness of space and the length of time, the fact that we've, you know, we're just this crazy, you could, you know, There could have massive civilizations galactically could have risen and fallen a million years ago, and we just weren't part of it. And that's literally a blink of the eye in those sort of time frames. We just, it's not surprising this is the Fermi paradox, right? Like how come we haven't got like firm proof or anything, even though people will say we have, but it's like, yes, there's, it's the length of time. Like we can rise and fall that span of a million years.

1:44:43It's and then just be nothing but dust at the end of that period of time. And you got to try and do that across what 14 billion years and even that's in question now, because the James Webb Telescope, seeing stuff that's supposedly way older than that now. I mean, we're gonna find out, like this three -eye Atlas thing. Yeah, what is that thing? Super weird, right? Well, Harvey Loeb is convinced that it's a UFO. But that's what he does, right? That's his, that's his thing. He did with that other one, Omnumma, or Womua. Omua, Omua. So that one was a little odd. That was weird. So it wasn't the weirdest thing about a Muammu or seems to be it's it's it's path when it took we went after it turned around the sun and Accelerated like that was the you know standard model of physics said it shouldn't have done that and it seems to have exhibited Sort of motion.

1:45:27It was not What we predicted it would do that's As much as we can acceleration it accelerated it was outside of a ball. Yeah, it accelerated But like to the factor of what well not that my thing was only a few percent but it was not what should have happened according to the calculations that astronomers and the, I guess, the orbital dynamics people had done. That's what I understand was the most, obviously, its shape and size. There was something about its reflective properties as well, right? Well, it's, yeah, I mean, just because it was so long and narrow and it was tumbling, that's what caused it to, we would catch, like, the long side of it, which the brightness would increase.

1:46:00So we had this oscillating brightness on it. And then it just, it passed through the system, And it's going whatever 87 kilometers per second or whatever it was, huge velocity, enough to escape the gravity of the sun. But it accelerated where it's just what I understand. It did it accelerated where it shouldn't have. Then there was another interstellar artifact that came in that was pretty much a comet, behave like a comet. It had a tail. It was off -gassing water. It was just an interstellar ball of rock and ice is what they say. That was it didn't get a lot of attention. Now this three -eye Atlas thing is much larger.

1:46:33It's traveling much faster apparently than the previous two, but it's also not behaving like a comet. It has this aura of light that it's emitting around it. For some reason, I saw a report that said it, it almost seeing a metallic like smelting signatures of it. I don't know how much credence I can give it, but we'll find out. It has a, it's going too fast to stop in our system unless it dramatically alters its velocity, but it'll pop out, we'll lose it on the other side of the sun, but then we should see it again on the way out. So we'll know one way or the other if it actually is going to, if it changes behaviour, I mean, what's he put it, I've even put it like 40 -60 or something artificial to natural, but...

1:47:15Really? Dude, it's so funny, I'm into Warhammer 40k in a big way, and it's just like, I'm like, okay, we're going to be joining the Imperium here soon, boys. So all haally omnisile, that thing might be a mechanic as vessel, I don't know. If that's how they travel, I'd be very disappointed. They just shoot through the sky. Well, it takes months. Live it slows down. I know, but I'm looking for portals. I'm looking for, I mean, advanced civilization that visits us, I don't want the advanced Vikings. Right, right. I want the advanced scientists from the 21st century portal. Yeah, I just, you know what I'm saying?

1:47:49I mean, the ones who come fast on a burning spaceship, they're the dangerous ones. Because they're probably, yeah, They're probably the warlike conquerors. The ones who are gonna rob us of our minerals and forces into slavery. You know what I mean? Yeah. That seems like if that's how you're rocking it, you're still doing it the way we do it. We have something thrusting you insanely fast through the cosmos. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Do you know the whole dark forest thing, like the dark forest theory? No, it's not. About so this came out of, it was the three -body problem. Great series of books by Chinese author, it's got two new to be shown.

1:48:27Amazing Netflix show. If great show, the books are phenomenal too. And it's just, but it's this idea that, look, we shouldn't be making noise. It's like, imagine you're a hunter in a dark forest. So it's just, you're out there, you know there might be other things out there. And it's this, it's this, like a philosophical engagement of like, what should you do? Should you start light a fire and make a whole bunch of noise in the dark forest that's full of predators? You know it's full of predators. You don't know where they are, they don't know where you are. What's your behavior? What should you do?

1:48:54Should you see another predator? What should you be friendly? What's the risk to you to do it? And these could be like, you could be there with a baron arrow. This guy could have a tank. So the guy could have a massive, some other energy weapon. Whatever. You don't, there's massive differences in capability and scale. And pretty much every scenario works out to like the what you should do is just be quiet. And if you see something, you should eliminate the threat. That's kind of the way it goes. in the dark forest. It's like it's too risky to reveal yourself. You should basically eliminate that threat if you can do so safely.

1:49:32And you apply that to kind of the galaxy and to some extent, I feel like we're the equivalent of a baby in a cot that's screaming around a roaring fire because we put in there's leopards out there. Because we're just sending these signals out into space for 100 something years now. And we just hope, hi, we're friendly, please. Well, you have to hope that something is so evolved that it's gotten past war. And it's gotten past the way we behave. And so we're hoping and assuming that space daddy, space brothers. Yeah, that space daddy, space brothers will be benevolent and wise beyond our imagination and that they will come here and want to take care of us and give us information and hook us up.

1:50:13I, I, that's my, I have this discussion, I've had this discussion a few times. And my response to a lot of that is, well, we can take nature. What happens when we take nature? Let's look at the apex predator, whether it's in the sea, in the air, on the land. Apex predators don't tolerate competition. They don't suffer any attacks. They don't, I mean, we don't treat, we just dominate. Like if it's in your way, it's inconvenient, you kill it. If it has something you want, we take it. If those bees have honey, we take it. It's just, there's no, We're not like helping them, you know, we're not like trying to teach the dolphins how to talk like there's still parts of the world where we're just eating them You know like there's I don't know it's it's it's nature suggests that that apex predator But maybe maybe we're just I think this is the other element that you're saying is maybe you evolution leads you past those primal Nature at some point the territorial primate instincts Yeah, like hopefully one day because clearly we're on a pathway to that right?

1:51:15We're clearly much kinder now, at least locally, if you don't live in Gaza. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're in the middle of war zone, you're like, what are you talking about? This is as bad as it's ever been all throughout human history. It's the same behavior exhibited over and over and over again today. What we want is aliens that are a million years more advanced. We don't want aliens that are a thousand years more advanced because they might be just like us, but way better. Yeah, just bad accounts. That's what we don't, right? Because as soon as we start going into the cause, We venture into the cosmos in 20 years.

1:51:45We're going to be the same animal, right? We're not going to be significantly different unless we integrate with technology and remove the ego and motions. Yeah, mushrooms. No, no, emotions and stuff. Maybe mushrooms help us get that facial emotions. All the things, the human reward systems that exist that we currently struggle with, we would be the same way. If we just think of what we justify on Earth in terms of destruction of habitat, of native species, animals that we kill, all the different things that we do on Earth, factory farming. Now imagine why would we care about these lizard people that live in caves on some fucking stupid planet?

1:52:30We would probably kidnap them, we'd kill them, we'd pickle them, we'd bring them back home, we'd freeze them. Got golden em caves? Yeah, we got them. Look what Columbus did when they, You know, arrived and took the natives and had them get gold. And if they didn't, they cut their arms off and they had horrific, terrifying things. So imagine, there's no evidence that aliens are currently doing that, which is the promising thing. Right, right. The, even the abductions, although I'm sure they're terrifying if they're true, they seem rather benign. Like in fact, in the Travis Walton case, do you know that, that one?

1:53:05It's one of the most famous ones. Not off the top. Real simple 1970s he's a logger. He's working with a group of guys. They see a ship. He runs toward it. He gets hit with a beam of energy. Gets knocked back. Unconscious. His friends flee. They come back. They're yelling at each other. We got to go back. We got to go back. He's gone. All four of them get investigated for murder. They tell the story. No one believes them. They all pass polygraph tests. Five days later, he shows up. He finds a pay phone, makes a phone call, and has this fucking insane story. But the story was that they took him aboard the craft and healed him and communicated with him and that there was a bunch of different types of these beings and then he has been telling the exact same story ever since the 1970s.

1:53:56But relatively benign compared to what we would do. For sure. We fucking, we shoot elephants. It tends to navita. Yeah, think about the horrible things that we do right now on earth. Yeah, I agree. And it's something that I always, it's great quoted from Christopher Hitchens, which is, you know, we're just not the end of that evolutionary chain. You know, we're just our current, our current version of humanity, our frontal lobes are too big, our adrenaline, oh, sorry, our frontal lobes are too small, our adrenaline glands are too big, our thumb, forefinger opposition isn't all it's cracked up to be.

1:54:28And we love violence. We love violence. We love violence. Our national support is dudes who are enormous running at each other. that are full speed. And the other one is guys punching each other. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy. And then we're also involved in multiple war simultaneously, at least proxy. Yeah, proxy wars, it's the least human beings are involved in a significant amount of war always. Yeah, it's never, this is literally the status quo throughout history. I mean, it's just, we've always been at war with each other. I mean, I will still do, I mean personally maintain the idea that it is that still the best time to be alive.

1:55:10100%. 100%. Technologically speaking. But also, I mean, obviously we're much more aware of conflict around the world, but on a percentage scale of what it's been like in the past, it's actually far less than it has been. Like, even though it's terrible when it happens, but we're in an era where there's actually less of that going on and hopefully that can continue. I actually genuinely think that it's one of the reasons why this whole investigation into the past is important to me. I haven't really talked about it in videos or put it down. It's going to be part of the book I'm writing for sure.

1:55:42It's a big part because it's not just some benign investigation into the past. I genuinely think it could have a significant impact on our future because that concept you talked about it of this linear progression. I mean, in general, we get taught in school though, okay, we were stone age dudes. We're in caves. Civilization happened. We have many thousands of years later here we are. This is the only way that an advanced civilization can happen. On this path, don't worry about it. It's almost like it's preordained, just worry about next election cycle, next quality result, whatever, right? And we just don't think about it.

1:56:17I do, this is this concept I call it. I think it's a fundamental pillar of what it means to be a human being today. It's in everybody's mind to some degree. like, all right, Stone Age to us, we're advanced. This is the only way it happens. I do think that if you can change that at that fundamental level to this cyclical version that is an oscillation between civilization and cataclysm and this idea that, okay, we've actually risen in the past. We've become relatively high technology, we've become civilized and it happened, it would have been different to us, but we fell. We fell again. And we're somewhere on this oscillation and this circular motion between civilization and cataclysm.

1:56:56And on a long enough time scale, we know it's gonna happen again. Yes. And if you can change that, if you could change that fundamental concept in people. That's what we teach people in schools. Okay, so we're rising again, we're at this crazy point in time, we're at technology super advanced, we can solve some of these problems, but we know in this time scale, if we don't do something about it, we might end up like our ancestors did. I genuinely think that stands a chance of changing some of our behaviour and some of our less money on tanks and guns, a little bit more money on space exploration, makes solving the longer term problems a bit more of a priority.

1:57:32And it's altruistic and it's like a crazy goal. I know it's altruistic as all hell, but I think that's precedent for it too. Whether you agree with it or not, it doesn't matter, but the fact is that the term climate change has changed our behavior over the last 25 years, right? It's changed. If you think about what's happened with that concept and that movement, it changes investment decisions, it changes our interactions with each other with the planet. It's changed our behavior in the way we think about stuff. It's like this is corrupt into our zeitgeist as a species and it's changed our behavior.

1:58:10So I look at some of this stuff in the past as it's not just being some harmless investigation into things. I think it actually getting to the root cause of what's happened in the past actually could help us in our future. I think it's an important, it's what drives, I think, my interest in it in a lot of ways too. It's another piece of an example, another example rather of how primitive we are that we still, the actual climate is political. That's bananas. Pollution is political. Yes. I mean, if you disagree, I mean, I always find it crazy that if you even question any of some of the like official narrative about this stuff.

1:58:45The first thing you've got to do is make sure you decry and say, no, no, no, pollution bad, pollution bad. Yeah. Just because I think that some of the science might be off. I'm not saying like, let's pollute the oceans. Like, no, no, let's be stewards. Yeah. But it's also the amount of time that we've polluted the oceans in is spectacular. What we've done just in terms of the depopulation of the ocean. Oh, yeah. That's nuts. Like 90 plus percent of all big fish are gone. Yeah. in a short amount of time, like a couple hundred years of like hardcore fishing. And we fished out the ocean, man. Just about.

1:59:21That's nuts. Not only that, we polluted the fuck out of it to the point where you're not even supposed to eat it every day. Right, which is... That's crazy. Oh, I agree. That's crazy. If you eat sushi every day, people don't recommend it. On the marionette trench. Like that's crazy. Man, yeah, that's how gross we are. Somebody was over there and they chucked one overboard. Yeah, it looks like it was a hike. It looks pretty recent. Right, he's got the fucking label on it. Yeah. Right, the label hasn't even eroded. The challenge is deep. If it's that recent, like why isn't it covered in sediment?

1:59:57You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The surface covers things up and moves over time. It probably won't be there forever. It'll probably won't be sitting on the surface like that. I think it's the floating around. I don't think it's just. Oh, yeah, maybe. Oh, right, right, right. He's moving around down the mountain. Oh, it's, wow. It should seem, I'd been imagining. Unless there's some sort of downward or upward current. Yeah. Scientists find beer bottle the deepest point of the ocean. That's so good. 6 .7 miles, 35 ,000 feet below the surface. How is it not imploding? But that sub does. Well, you know, yeah.

2:00:29Yeah. Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah, we didn't last long, there's a cap on it, that's for sure. But yeah, I don't want to get down there. I like, fuck all that. Yeah, yeah, I'd rather watch a video not only that they were watching a video. That's what's even crazier Yeah, you go all the way down and you're watching a screen. Yeah, it's not like it's a window You can't have a fucking window. No exactly. Yeah, yeah, like one little or just if there's one just joint thick thing at the front And you can't imagine the freak out of being at the bottom James Cameron nice. I mean even found it. Yeah I'm not for me.

2:01:00I'm not there by himself. I know he did it's crazy in that yeah in that he did it right I guess if you're gonna do it. Why is it doing that? We need titanium around me. In a sphere. Yeah, we need you to make movies. Maybe not a carbon fiber tube. Yeah, especially not one that the engineer said wasn't really designed for those depths. Yeah, that cracked. Did you ever watch that documentary? It's cool, dude. They're putting that thing on. They do the scale model and they're testing it under pressure and they'll stay in a room and just guys bang! Like it's just, it's instant. And every test they did, it went bang and blue.

2:01:36And they like, they did like 20 successful trips with that. Oh, they did a bunch. And it was, and it, well, even the scariest part is like, when you're in the footage with it and you can hear it popping. Like it's literally the carbon fiber. Oh. Strands snapping. Oh, it's terrible. It's terrifying. Imagine being one of those people that successfully made that journey and then the nightmares that you have every day. Like the one right before you missed it. Yeah, the one right before, barely missed getting instantaneously destroyed. Yeah, I'm sure you've seen the animation, the computer recreation of what it would look like.

2:02:13Yeah, in the illusion. Yeah, it turned to blood cells. Yeah, just splatter. Yeah, you wouldn't even say that it happens faster than the time it would take for you to even register that it ha - like for your senses to register in your brain that it happened. It's over. It's over. It's over. pressure, the pressure. Yeah, I mean, just the fact that we're that weird that we choose to do that, that we have technology and we're like, let's see, yeah, let's go. Yeah, I mean, these are so funny the way they skirted the, I mean, he signed everyone up as like basically expedition team members. That was how they got around.

2:02:47I'm not selling seats for this. Like they're invested, they're coming on. They all had a technical role supposedly and it was like, I'm not, it was just getting around the regulations and the safety regulations. But yeah, no interest in that sort of person. I mean, I dive but that no like that diving is swimming Pretty much it's just hardcore swimming Yeah, the implosion is very Yeah I haven't seen this It said that it would have happened in 20 milliseconds and it takes like 150 milliseconds for your brain to feel pain. That's yeah, that's Yeah, and I thank you. I'm good Oh my God. Why does this freak me out so much?

2:03:31It's because I guy went on with this sun. Yeah, it's terrible. So I mean it's just... Why? I wish I was friends with that guy. But like dude. No. It's not the place I'd want to explore. Like there was some stuff of Cuba they say that they reckon Pyramids, it's kilometers deep in the ocean. But I've seen that. I've seen, well, I've seen internet videos on that. Yeah, I'm imaging. Yeah. But I did die. We were in Alexandria. I died on the lighthouse. So there's, and actually there was the news article just the other day about the Egyptians were pulling like more stuff out of the water there at Heraclion and at the lighthouse of Alexandria.

2:04:07Quite an interesting story. And we were in Alexandria, Dive, and the Mediterranean on the Egyptian side. And I mean, it's amazing. There's massive columns and massive, mega -lithic blocks in the water from when that the lighthouse, it fell down or it collapsed. there was there was an earthquake and so you're actually you're in the water but you're diving over like megalithic blocks like these and huge columns and and it and it's it has a history that stretches back too right it's uh the megalithic stuff is what's associated with the very earliest periods of building um all the stuff that happened later is typically not that big but yeah this is actually what's nuts that's what's nuts is that the older you go the bigger the stones are.

2:04:48Well, and it's what's funny is when we looked into the erosion at places like the Giza Plateau, you have two or three feet, it's not on a sphin, everybody knows about the sphinx enclosure erosion, but you look at places like the Pyramid Temple of the Middle Pyramid, some of the blocks on the Great Pyramid, the Casing Stones that we can see now that they've taken the boat museum away, and up and down the causeway, there is limestone blocks with up to two feet of erosion. Like it's these waves, I think I have a, I have a directory on that, on that drive with the erosion on it. And it's, you have to juxtapose that against all the other stuff they say is fourth dynasty, right?

2:05:30So right next to the Valley Temple, there is another structure that's built from small limestone blocks. Doesn't have any erosion, not like the Valley Temple does. The Western cemetery that's behind the great pyramid is beautifully made. It's smaller limestone blocks. it's apparently older. So here's a good example. This is the mortuary or the pyramid temple. So you can see where the face of that block originally was, but it's been eroded in up to two feet in places. There's huge amounts of erosion that you can find in a lot of places at the Giza Plateau. Yet at the same time you have what are said to be contemporary structures said to have been built roughly in the same time.

2:06:09Sometimes they say they're even older that have just no erosion at all, made from the same stone, made by this allegedly by the same people. And what forced did they attribute that erosion to? Well, it's got, it's wind and sand, right? That's what they will say. Look, this is just regular weathering. And here's the crazy thing about these structures is like this was also cased in granite. These are the inside blocks. So this structure was fully cased in like four feet thick granite blocks. And that was stolen and glory taken. but it would have protected this stone from erosion for however many thousands of years.

2:06:42You find it, there's another picture in here of like the, that's so there. Like see this is, this is said to, like that picture I just showed with the heavy erosion. That's where the arrow is at the pyramid temple. No, no, back to that one, yep. So that deep erosion is at that pyramid temple. This one wall to the right, they say this is older than that. And that this has never been cased in granite. That other stuff was cased in granite. It's mega -lythic that you get there's a block in that complex. It's 450 tons and It was cased in granite now. There's been studies, right? So we know how long it takes to where the limestone There's been a bunch of studies the US the the government departments have studied it I put limestone blocks on the top of the Building in Washington DC in a government department and studied it over 11 years there's endless as cemeteries with conveniently carved and dated limestone pieces in the form of headstones that you can measure.

2:07:38So you can go, okay, this was carved in whatever year this guy died. And as you can measure it and over time get a sense for like what's it take with rain, with wind, we've done studies of like, all right, we put these blocks in a river and we let it wash over like a very highly erosive environment where we've got running water, running over the stone and how long it takes to erode. For some of the erosion that you can, if you reference those studies for this type of hard limestone, to get two feet of a row of wear on those blocks, just with regular wind weathering, and this is in places that have a lot more rainfall than geyser, you're talking dates from like 60 to 122 ,000 years to get that much erosion on it.

2:08:21I mean, and I think that's in a more erosive environment than what the desert is. What? So yeah, that's the neck, that's it side by side. So you have, literally they'll tell you that thing on the right is older. This was built by Kufu, this is supposedly Kufra, his son. But it's completely different. So this is that tailored to industry thing as well, but they attribute all this to the same people. But you can base on this because it's the same stone, it's at the same elevation level, it's supposedly the same age. The differences are in the construction, like it's megalithic and a lot of this stuff was encased in granite.

2:08:55This is the Sphinx temple down at the other end of the causeway. Same thing. So all the Megalithic stuff that was cast in granite has severe erosion. Yet there's buildings all around it and up and down the plateau, they say they're built at the same time. Yet it's smaller blocks, it's not as nice work and it's not eroded like that. What's the conventional explanation from that? This is a reference. They just don't address it. I've not seen anyone. Well, because the argument's always been this Sphinx temple, like this Sphinx enclosure, Robert Shock, John Antony West, they can't he talked about the fact that you needed thousands of years of rainfall erosion to get those patterns on the walls.

2:09:29That's where the discussion's been focused. There was no comparison, mate. It was always like, well, this is, the geologist and the experts say it's water erosion, but then you have the archaeologist and the marklein and say, no, it's wind and sand. But I think there's a better argument to be made when you start to do comparative work like this. She go, all right, hang on, let's take the Western cemetery. Behind the great pyramid, supposedly built by Kufu, fourth dynasty, it's at the same elevation level. It's the same stone type as the mortuary or the pyramid temple of the middle pyramid complex.

2:10:03So after Kufu, so if he built that, then his son, Kufra built this one, how come this one, which was also cast in granite, and this wasn't, how come this is so much more eroded than this? There's no, it's at the same elevation level. It's the same stone. You would assume that it's been subjected to the same weathering. Why is this so weathered and that is not? You can't explain it any other way. Yeah, I've not seen anyone respond to that argument with anything that makes any remote sense. Remote sense would dictate one's order. Yeah, I mean, we show, literally, I like to show people, which one looks older?

2:10:40Same stone. Same stone. Same elevation level. Same everything. It has to be. Yeah, I mean, it's... And again, we know. That's crazy. That's crazy. And it's not like this. This is very hard and numerolytic limestone. Like it's full of fossils. It's not a soft limestone. The idea that there was a civilization that built monolithic construction. Yeah. A hundred thousand years ago is crazy. It is. That's so crazy. But have you seen any of Michael Buttons work? Yeah, yeah. I saw the episode. That is a very interesting episode. and we was talking about how human beings in this exact same form have been around at least 300 ,000 years.

2:11:22At least. So that's the fossil record. That's all we found. There might be human beings that were 500 ,000 years ago. There's six. Good evidence for it actually. Really? Yep. So yeah, so Morocco find, I've talked about this for years as well, it's that the fossil record, how we used to be, we were 50 ,000 and then it's 195 ,000 with the Ethiopian bones and it's 315 or 19 with the Morocco find, that's the latest in the fossil record, and atomically modern humans. However, there are studies, I think this is in the other vectors, director, I've got those studies. There's two studies that I reference usually.

2:11:58One is a DNA study that suggests, from a genetic perspective, neonatols are our cousin. We didn't evolve from them. We both evolved from a common ancestor. And they then based on, but just looking at the genome and trying to trace it back, the paper suggests that we split with a common ancestor somewhere in the realm of 800 ,000 years ago. Us in the end of the whole split from a common ancestor. Like that's when we carved off 100 ,000 years ago. Yeah, and there's another study on teeth morphology, which was, it actually got set up to try and prove that we're only two, three hundred thousand years old, and they were looking at, all right, somewhere nearer as common ancestor, how quickly does our teeth have to evolve and morph, like this teeth morphology?

2:12:46How quickly does that have to happen for us to basically have the teeth that we have today relative to our ancestors? And they thought, well, it's going to have to be this rate to make these numbers work. And then they did this big statistical study on a lot of different people from all around the world. And they figured out the rate of dental evolution is much slower. So they basically worked back which from there and said, okay, so if that's how quickly our teeth evolved then We may have been around as many as eight or nine hundred thousand years. So you have So you you have two different studies.

2:13:18I mean again fossil record three hundred thousand But other studies do suggest the possibility could be any up to towards a million years old for human human beings It gets real interesting even within the three hundred thousand years, but certainly if you stretch it back further. I mean you can find But graphs of the temperature and the global temperature in ice -cooled data from Antarctica goes back 400 ,000 years. So you have these peaks and valleys. Like we're in that peak right now in the Holocene, the nice warm period where civilization flourishes. But we've been through a bunch of those peaks before.

2:13:51And some of those valleys are, we know as a result of cataclysm, like massive changes to the surface of the earth where nothing would be left. So I look I honestly put the realm of possibility for advanced civilization not just the last ice age, but Within any you know up to a million years potentially that's Could be but it's not it'd be dust for a lot of it But it would be dust well we would find now Yeah, but it's not but that's what Michael buttons argument when you're dealing with anatomically similar human beings right? Amatomically exactly the same. Yeah creature give us warm weather and you know enough food to eat and we start fucking solving problems.

2:14:31Which is one of the reasons why Egypt itself was so spectacular, was that it was very fertile? It was in the African -Human period. This is one of my arguments is I think if you if we just assume for a moment that there was a civilization that flourished during the African human period and before it, when the Sahara was a savannah and that's why I think this are such an appealing target, it's because what happened, right? So if that civilization ends, we're knocked back to a relative stone age. The people that were populating the none, people have been in the Noth, we know for like hundreds of thousands of years, like people, and they, if they're going to start that civilization, they're going to do it in the only part of that country that was habitable.

2:15:13It's the Noth Valley. And that's where all the sites of ancient Egypt are that we know about, but they've all been, let's They'd assume they kick -started with stuff and they built, been inherited and renovated and reused and the dynastic Egyptians made them their own, assuming there's something there before. So what's fascinating to me is the possibility that out there in the Sahara, maybe near an ancient water source, or an ancient aqueduct, or something, or an ancient aquifer, we might be another assyrian out there, like the subterranean things, it might be another syrupyum, there might be another labyrinth buried beneath the sand somewhere that's not been touched, And it hasn't been inherited and reused.

2:15:49Well, that's where the Roshart structure gets weird. Right. And that's on a timeline that could be very ancient, because it's very eroded. It's then this hard to see. And it's interpreted almost at this point to figure out that there's, if there was a structure there or anything. Right. Yeah, it's interesting. But it's also another one when you go above and you look at the satellite imagery, you go, oh boy, that place got washed. Yeah, it did. It got washed. I mean, that was one of the clearest examples of a place that looks like it got washed, because there's literal salt deposits everywhere.

2:16:22Right. Yeah, I mean, it's - Which is nuts. It is nuts. It's the whole thing is nuts. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Jimmy Cordes had some amazing videos on that. Well, yeah, everybody's interested. Jimmy does. And you do as well. Jimmy's awesome. Yeah, he's, yeah, that seems like it could be one of the places to look. I mean, actually, Michael Donnellan's is an interesting talk about Mel and Barra's and that same satellite scan company, there's a guy named Michael Donnellan who's been working, he was working with them, still is. He's putting out a documentary pretty soon called Atlanticer and he thinks he's found, at least if not Atlantis, a part of Atlantis off the coast of Spain and they for a hundred percent found some shit in the waters and been diving on it for a couple of years now, I'm building a documentary but he's pretty convincing.

2:17:04He's found again another like underwater. If nothing else, Megalithic City, he thinks it could be Atlantis as well off the coast of Spain. Wow, I saw that that documentary was coming out. Yeah, I didn't know exactly what they discovered. Is there images that we could see right now? It's not, he's, we saw it like an advanced car. He's coming over, it's close to us. Until it comes out, but it's, they discovered it with that Mel and boroughs scanning tech. The same satellite based tech, and then they went and dived on it. And I, we saw like a cut down version of three episodes at this conference I went to and met him.

2:17:37I've since talked, talked him a bit. fascinating. 100 % found something like it is man -made like whatever it is. Yeah so this is like the preview old teaser thing. When does this come out? I'm not sure when it's when the streaming I feel like it's got to be this year I hope he's mostly done with it. Says 2025. Okay so then or at least the trailers that was Tim Acres for a second they all go with the bid when he was still alive. When did he die? I think it was just last year or the year before. Damn. Yeah sucks. It's I'm very happy I got John Anthony West on a couple of times. We passed I Spontan my big regress is never actually having the chance to meet the man.

2:18:13He was great He's phenomenal. You know there's a clip I use in my videos of him back in the 90s Showing images, Jimmy. No, really Back in the nice John Anthony West I use it in some of my videos and he's standing at this cabinet the same cabinet I stand in front of take people there to the at Kira Museum and he's looking at this beautiful diorama with a super thin neck and it's just like this beautiful but tiny little thin neck on it and fled and he's just saying, you know, how much of these vases are in anomaly, they're pre -diagnastic. We don't know how they made them, you know, how do you machine out the inside of this vase through this tiny little neck someone did and he said, I can only hope that at some point in the future people will start to like apply modern technology and study these things and try to learn some more about it.

2:18:55So it's fantastic that that Vescan project is basically doing what he thinks we should be doing That is a way of learning a ton about it. His DVD series Magical Egypt is what got me hooked. Yeah, I know Yeah, that series is insane. I think it's so good He's he was great a symbologist and that's and I think that's him that symbologist view of ancient Egypt is His fantastic occasionally he would touch on that the engineering side of things that I'm caught a deep on Sometimes you'd ignore it too. It's pretty funny. I have a copy of his guidebook, which is hard to get these days. His guidebook to Ancient Egypt.

2:19:31And it literally has about this much on the Serapim because there's just no real riding down in the Serapim. That's the place with the 25 giant, like, 100 tonne stone boxes. It's one of the most remarkable logistical feats that come from Ancient Egypt. But there wasn't a lot for a symbologist to interpret in that place. So, like, yeah, it's pretty cool. Go check it out, some boxes. I mean, it's been like four hours down there. It's interesting if you think of him like being concentrating on the symbolism and how much work he did. And just you need one of those two, right? You need a bunch of different people looking at all the different aspects of it.

2:20:08Yeah. And he was another one that had his interpretation was, this is a lot older. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's no one seems to like do a deep dive on it and go on, I know, they figured this out. No, right. It was his example. It was so crazy. His explanation was, this was the national project. Dude, I've tried to watch that podcast. Imagine if we're all going to fly without wings. This is the national project. You're just going to use your mind to fly without wings. We're all just going to work on that. I have heard him say that for 10 years. The 11 years. 10 years of project. Yes. I asked him that question.

2:20:462015. I was in the room with Graham Hancock and him having this debate, it wasn't a debate and I was like, is he flipped out earlier in the day? But we asked him that question. I've heard him and given that answer so many times, you asked him about anything precision or logistics, all these difficult to explain topics, that's the response. It's basically, they tried really hard, therefore they did. And it drives me nutty. He's not the only one who gives that response by the way. That's a pretty stock standard answer to anything. We say, well, how did they move a thousand tons statue a thousand miles, which is what they did at one point?

2:21:23Or how did they build the pyramid so precisely or whatever? Or how did they do it in the time frame? No, a national project that you really wanted to and it's The response a good example is like the Apollo 11 project, Apollo program, right? Going to the moon. That was a national project at the time. There was a huge amount of resources put towards it from a relative to what NASA is today. But we didn't just come together with a big piece of fabric and fling some people at the moon. There's technology involved, right? You can't do it without the technology. That's the aspect of that answer that annoys me.

2:21:56It's like, no, you know, I don't care how hard you try. Try does not get you like precise down to within a thousand of an inch or in the case of one of these phases. is four tenths of a micron, six tenths of a micron. That's the most extreme precision I've seen on one of them. It's interesting too that these vases, these small things that you can hold in your hand are evidence of this incredible technology when these enormous statues also exist. But you don't think of the vases as being the thing that's the smoking gun, but it kind of is. They are. It's because they predate the domestic Egyptians, because they were buried with those people.

2:22:38They exist, we know they existed in those times. You can't do that with the big statues, but I have a whole long two hour talk about how these things connect to those things, like the tube drills and the precision and the machining. It's the same technique, it's the stone types. I mean, there are a bunch of like tubular drills on the great pyramid, a whole bunch of them, people don't know about them, or where they are, but I've got pictures and I can show people the statues show the same machining marks, the statues reflect the same precision. The boxes, the obelisks, a lot of the stonework reflect the same thing as well.

2:23:10The same tools we use, the same precision shows up. And in pretty much all of those cases, the oldest and the best examples of all of those things are typically also the oldest. Like it's like the best examples of all of those. Yeah, the single piece columns are absolutely incredible. Like those, the Romans didn't make columns like that. Like the fact that these columns of granite in Egypt. I mean, they start off white and they get narrower and narrower and then they flare out at the top and it's all a single piece. And that means that the entire piece that was quarried had to be as wide as the widest part at the top and then machined down.

2:23:46These columns have friggin vertical, they have lathe centering points on them. Like there's like a hunt like imagine, it's like 150 tons turning on a vertical lathe or something that they did to create some of these things. So there's points that show that it was on there? Oh, it was definitely centering points at, yeah, on these columns, there's a forest of them laying out at Tannis and you can see it on the end points. Can we show that? That's nuts. What's the weight of these things? Oh, up to, I mean, I imagine the bigger ones are maybe 150 tons, 200 tons. And you have these existing on all kingdom sites.

2:24:17They're Sikara, Giza, Abusea, the single -piece columns. They are also on sites later on that are attributed to the new kingdom, places like the Luxel temple or Karnak, however, I think that those places had a granite core and an infrastructure there already and then those kings of the new kingdom set the first Marimitar Ramses the second built around them and you can see the difference in technology of what's in the granite core with the giant obelisks and the columns and the granite buildings that look like the valley temple and the old structures, then outside of that it's all sandstone and it's blocks and they made giant columns too but they're made from blocks of sandstone.

2:24:55They would stack them up and shave them down. It's a much softer stone and making blocks out of rounds and just, you know, making columns out of rounds is way easier than trying to build a single, flared, you know, granite column. And even the Romans. I don't believe. I mean, it has to have been something like that. I can't have been that all the way because you have actually, Jamie, in that precision large directory, there's a picture of a column end, like I'm standing next to this amazing end piece. but some of them are faceted, so it can't have all been lathe work. They have little buttresses and features, but certainly the column of the lathe, the circular part could have been done, or the column, the center of the column could have been done on a lathe, I'm sorry.

2:25:41Yeah, it's fascinating. How big is this lathe? Huge. I mean, there's a Chris Dunn thinks, yeah, I mean, that's one of the columns I'm standing next to. That's a Tannis and if you flip through, there's like a column end point that's, yeah, there's an end there. So see there's a hole in the tip. So you have a lot, this is a place called Templar Bass Tet and there were forests of these things. Like look at that thing. That thing is one of the most, that's one of my favorite artifacts in all of Egypt. It is immaculate. That, the faceting, look at that bull nose that runs up the center of that front of the palm because these are like palm -shaped pillars.

2:26:20I mean, it tapers. It's thick on one end and it thins right down at the end and it's exactly the same on either side, on each of these fronts. I would love to get there and scan this thing one of my favorite pieces and you just had, like, I mean, probably hundreds of these things on these sites. I mean, even, and it goes back in time. Again, this is from, these are picked, these are columns from Sekara and Abysseew, which are all old kingdom sites. So again, these are existing in the early time that they didn't build columns like this later in the civilization They build them with sandstone pieces Colac those images again, please Look how crazy that looks Yeah One solid piece of granite Yeah, and fled Even the Romans who by all accounts had far superior technology to the Egyptians They had forced multiplies that, iron they had all sorts of mathematical skill they got from the Greeks They've built single piece granite pillars, but they were tape it the whole way.

2:27:23And they weren't anything as precise. They're quite rough. You've been to the pantheon. This one's one of my favorites. This is called Pompeii's Pill. You can see the dude standing at the bottom. Like I've actually got a picture of me there as well, but it's...

2:27:39Yeah, you see that dude at the bottom. Yeah, zoom out so we can see the whole thing with him So I'm working there it is Look at that. So I think that's been a reap that's a reworked column that the Romans reworked and they either they'd carve that head top Or it's a separate stone. I'm not actually sure But this is this is in Alexandria in Egypt, but huge And where did that come from? And so this is how they do it that's I don't I mean it's asked one in granite But it's like a thousand kilometers away. So then when you get to new kingdom. So this is what they, yes. So this is the stacked rounds of sandstone.

2:28:16And this is, I always like to show people this corner of carnage because it's an unfinished column on the end there. You can see how they did it. They'd stack up those blocks and they'd basically shave it down. And they would end up, and this is imitation too, right? This is the other key thing you see even with the vases. They would, I mean, people knew what was sophisticated. Anyone who works with stone, whether you're primitive or not, You see an artifact like that or one of those statues or a column out of stone. You're like, holy shit, how did they do that? So it's from the gods, right? I'm going to imitate it and I'm going to try and replicate it.

2:28:46And so they were doing their best to replicate and imitate. But with sandstone. With sandstone and in a technological method that they were capable of, which is to put blocks of sandstone up, shave it down and make it look like one of these columns. And they did great work, right? Don't get me wrong. I'm not sure if you can't recognize that. Carnac is, this is the great sort of hyper style holocaunt, it's phenomenal. And it is the work of the new kingdom, but it still pales in technological significance too, like the older stuff, the single piece stuff, but it's fabulous. Like this is, I love the Carnac's one of my favorite places because you have all those examples right in front of you of like high tech and then low tech.

2:29:26And so by new kingdom, what year? So like 14, 1500 BC. Ish. So even then, they're still doing spectacular stuff. It's just not a sophisticated. It was by all the, right. By all the Kenji, in the new kingdom, that was Egypt's height, like the height of the Dynastic Egyptian civilization, like Ramsey's the second in particular. Like always call him the, you know, the greatest of the Egyptian kings. That would, Egypt had the most power, the most wealth, the most ability to do that sort of work. So they built these great temples and it just it's very very clear. Yeah, this is that Pompeii's pillar that they call it It's very clear that They built them around and on top of existing infrastructure In fact at Karnak which is attributed to Ramses a second I mean you again the Devils and the details you have the names of kings that go back all the way to the old kingdom on various structures You also at one point at that in that hall where they've pulled up a massive floor tile Underneath the ground at the bottom there is a column base.

2:30:29It's another like an older and white cow sight column base. That is the same sort of column base that you see on the very oldest of sites. Which tells you there was a column tall here before and either got destroyed or knocked down, but the whole place was rebuilt. You see this evidence for these layers of infrastructure on these sites that tells you, okay, this is, it's like looking at these ancient sites, you always have to keep that, that in the back of your head, like, all right, there's been thousands of years of not only inheritance but renovation and reuse and claiming. Like it's, you know, people have asked me, if I think the statues are so old, how come they look like domestic Egyptians?

2:31:09I think the answer is it's the other way around. I think that the domestic Egyptians look like the statues. So, if you imagine there's evidence for like five or six of these giant thousand -ton statues, which are the typical stuff you see at Luxor with the, you know, the headjet and the NMS crown, or the big, the bowling pin thing on the head. And there was in that iconic symbolic style of ancient Egypt's. Can you go to some of those? Yeah, I have the precision large, it's probably got the statues. And imagine that you are a tribal culture that's emerging from the dark, from this stone age, but you have this history and these legends of these stories and you come across, Yes, so this iconic look.

2:31:53And again, this stretches back. There's an old kingdom stage. This is a attributed to, this is made of diorite by the way. This is called cuff ranthroamed, one of my favorite statues. With the columns from the car in the background. This is made out of that same. And the car is possibly hard. Yes, it's like a 6 .5 to a 7 on the most scale. And it's phenomenal. This is an incredible statue. And this has exhibits that facial symmetry. It looks like it. I've not seen the actual scans from this, but this thing actually has two belidrill marks and saw cuts in it too. So it's got between his heels, is you see the remnants of a tube drill?

2:32:26Keep that there, please. I've probably got a picture of that in my machining directory of the actual, the tube drill between the heels. And then in the legs on the inside, you can actually see over cuts, like a saw cuts from where they cut too deeply into this insanely hard stone. And it's overrun, which is if you were doing this by hand, that's a mistake you'd have to be making for about four hours to actually get the depth of the cut. But if you had some sort of power tool that was moving, removing material quickly, you can overcut in there. And there's like little mistakes. Go to the full of this, please.

2:33:01Yeah. So your thoughts are that the Egyptians were imitating these ancient looks. Yes. I think they inherited their iconography from the things, the artifacts that they gained and statues like this, and also the thousand -ton versions of statues like this. And I mean, if you look at their art style, this is one of the things that blows my mind. It's like across that three thousand year civilization, that iconography didn't change very much. Like it's the same look, and how do the kings draw themselves on the walls? They're always trying to position themselves as being one of the gods, right? They were talking about, eventually they got this aura of divinity.

2:33:43you became a God like the Pharaohs became divine, that wasn't always the case. But they grew into that over time as that civilization progressed. And they always matched themselves and they try to make themselves look like the gods. And again, eventually once you get hubris and ego involved and some of these really big, really rich kings, you're like, damn it, I am one of the gods. Put my name on the statue. That's how I want to be remembered. And that's, there were multiple got set in the first, did it? His son Ramsey's the second, his son, Aaron Patera, particularly in the new kingdom. I mean, Petri called Ramses the great usurper.

2:34:16That's what his name for him because he was putting his name on everything, trying to label himself as one of the kings. And I think if you look at that from the old kingdom through to the Tolemake era, it's the same. Like they're depicting themselves as one of these gods who are always depicted in the same way. And that's like, that's part of it from day one, like it feels like. So, and I think And where do you get that picture from? It's like that, what's the poem from Percy Shelley?

2:34:47Ozymandias. Look at my works, you might even despair. Like it's literally a poem by Percy Shelley that talks about it. He actually gets it from, I think, Deodoros Sic... An account of Deodoros Siculus coming across one of these statues in the desert. That's a thousand tons. It's like a... very traveler in a desert of an unknown land comes along to vast and trunkless legs of stone. Over like nearby a shattered visage lies still like sort of sneer full of sneer and arrogance and it's basically written upon this stone of the words my name is Aussie Mandeous King of Kings look on my work Yimati and despair.

2:35:25And they're the endless sand stretch far away. It's on power for people are dicks. Yeah, especially when they become kings. There it is. Look on my works. He mighty and despair. Nothing beside remains round and round. That colossal wreck, bannness and bear, the line and level sandstress. So it's like, if you imagine you come across in the in the sand in the desert and you find the remnants of a thousand tons. If you probably, I'm sure you've seen pictures of the Ramacim and the thousand ton statues. Like there's four or five of them at least that happened but they're incredible single piece stone statues that were moved in some cases up to a thousand like six seven hundred miles away I have them in a colossal directory and did they fall from earthquakes is that the speculation I suspect either that or the hands of men I think it was like I think with enough dudes with enough leverage you can probably eat that thing over and it'll crack when it falls.

2:36:24And I think it's, they were definitely, there was a long period of them destroying all the gods and all the, you know, the false idols of the past. Of course. There's a place called Tannis. There's a foot, there's a giant foot that I can't, I mean, my whole asterisk hand wouldn't fit in the toenail. And it's a repurposed block of granite and Petri found it. And there's other pieces of this statue. So we know it was a statue that had it been standing. It's about the same size as the statue of Liberty without the pedestal. The foot's about the same size, which is to give it a frame of reference.

2:36:59And that thing's made from Aswanian granite. Now, Tannis is in the north, and that's one's, and it's north of Kaira, like it's up in the delta towards the Mediterranean and Kaira is down here. It's like a thousand kilometers. So someone at some point took at least a thousand ton, probably more like 1500 ton block of stone because they didn't finish them, they didn't ship them finished, we know they finished stuff on site like a thousand kilometers north. Isn't even better example Jamie I think in the foot. The foot at Tannis? No that's it there the first one yeah. I was like In the massive, yeah.

2:37:38I might have touched just what does. There's actually my video thumbnail in the ancient tennis, largest stone statue ever made. giant huge objects. Huge objects.

2:37:52There you go. So there's go up on. That's the foot there. So you see that's the, it's actually, it's funny because this box block's been repurposed. It's been cut off on both sides and used as a block in a wall. They cut the front off it and the back off it and stuck it in and rebuilt it. This thing, there's a picture of the whole arm when it was put together in that directory. So that's a joint thumb holding a scroll and they put the whole arm together. There's one picture of it. One time I was there, they put the whole arm together. And that is probably the most impressive example. It's in there, I'm sure.

2:38:29Let's see. That, then, then, then, then. Up, up, up, one. There you go. Yeah, so this is, it's made from composite quartzite. So this is a karnak. This is one of several of statues of this size at karnak. And what's impressive about this, they actually put this together for one year and they took it apart, and I got told that it was because they didn't, people freaking out about how big this must have been. They didn't kind of, it gives a sense of scale and then people were like, what the fuck? How are they doing this? So they took it apart again, but you can still see the thumb there today. So it's turned on its side.

2:38:59Now what's cool about this is that it's a straight arm. So a lot of those statues like the one at the Ramacen, they're seated. So they always have their elbows bent at their knees. This thing was standing. So it was a standing statue, thousand tons made from composite quartzite, which is in a lot of ways more difficult to work than granite. It's a very hard compressed form of sandstone. It's like 6 .5 to 7, but it's full of flint. It's a stone carves nightmare. It's like you can see the chunks of flint in the stone. But they somehow worked that surface just with no problem going over Flint, which is 7, 7 and a half on the most scale.

2:39:35The trick with this statue is where that stone came from. That's a Karnak in the south, Aswan for Granite bit further south. Combers at Courtside doesn't come from Aswan. It comes from the Red Mountains north of Cairo. And the tricky part here is that the Nile River flows north, right? So it's like people, it's because it's north, the people like, oh, it's flying up. but it flows to the north. So they had to take the block for that thing. I'd say, on 1 ,500 tons easy. They had to bring that upriver, upriver, 600 miles or something, 500 miles. Wow. I don't know how you explain that. And there's certainly no depictions of them doing that.

2:40:19That is a logistical feat. I mean, I don't know how you can rival it. It was a national project. Don't you get it? Don't you get it? Just a national project I really wanted to do. Well, it's one of those really amazing mysteries because the actual facts of it are so spectacular that it defies any conventional explanation to the point where it opens up people to the possibility that maybe we don't know. It's almost anyone listening to this, it's even remotely reasonable that sees that, That goes, oh, okay. I think this picture's a lot bigger than we thought it was. Yeah, that's honestly my response to it too, is I don't know how they did this.

2:41:05You can't do it primitive fashion. We literally tried, like we've had the thunderstorm as the other is the event. How have they even do it today? Hydraulics and diesel power, like huge bar. I mean, I didn't even know. You try to move, I mean, it's like makes newspaper headlines when they shift a load of like 150 tons on a truck somewhere. I'd a thousand tons these days. 1500 tons. 1500 tons. I mean, we have cranes. We have the capability, but it's usually by water on giant. I don't know if we could, how we transport a load like that over anything other than water. Imagine the wood and boat and how far those dudes are rowing.

2:41:40Up river too. That's that. Not only that, how deep is the water and when you're dealing with 150 tons, how far does it sink? You know what I'm saying? The displacement. Yeah. Yeah, how much of a boat do you need? And can you fit a boat that wide? In the, in parts of the novel, you can, but I'll tell you this, and I've looked at this, that you sure shit can't do it at the quarry because this is what they say. You got to the quarry, and this is an example, I like to give people all the time. The unfinished oblisk, you know, at the ass one, of course, at 1 ,200 tons, more or less, like 10 tons off of them.

2:42:14They will tell you that, oh yeah, so there's this low area in the quarry, that's the harbour, where they parked the boat to take the stone. I mean, there is no chance that you could put that thing on a boat that even would, it's like, this is not in the realms of possibility for a boat to displace enough water to take a load like that obelisk. It would literally just be this giant clunk. It was just, it just can't happen. And what's more, that quarry, or that harbour in the quarry, that isn't a harbour. That's an extraction. They pulled a fucking block out of there, that same size as the obelisk.

2:42:54It's and it's gone. You can see it. It's an off -limits area to the quarry, but we kind of get in there every time. So someone somehow pulled that off? It's already been done 100%. We know it has, because we've got the statues of blocks of that size and tonnage have been successfully transported and shaped. However, in that place they call the quarry in the harbour, it's all scoop marks. it's the same technology and here's where it gets wild is that there's you can see the extraction that's come out. It's massive like it basically like the obelisk, the unfinished obelisk. So something like an order of 12 to 1300 tons in a piece got pulled out of there.

2:43:32And on in the corner right up at the end where you see the boxy end of whatever this was was taken out on the wall, there's red ochre painting. It's paintings of like e -muse or flamingos and some other dolphins and other stuff and it's an identical match for the art style and paintings that you find on pre -diagnastic pottery that comes from the Carter culture and before. It's exactly the same. It's not it's not dynastic Egyptian. It's pre -diagnastic artwork. That's been put on the wall. I hope I have pictures of that. I know I do on here. It's actually I have video called, it's on what I have a video where I want to look at all this on my channel, but it's the exact same artwork that you see on the vessel.

2:44:18So to me, it's an indication of, there was a primitive of these people that were living there in the thousands of years before the Dynastic Egyptian civilization rose, were obviously in that quarry and they found this convenient wall to put some artwork on and they painted on it, which tells you that all this extraction had to happen before that, right? Right. We had to have been taken out before that. And how far before? Right. We don't know, can't date the stunt. So, but somebody took a piece like that out of there, 100 % with the same technology, the scoop marks and stuff. Have you found anything on that, Jamie?

2:44:51Once you get that, let's look at the unknown obelisk too, so to give people a revenge start. Yeah, the unfinished obelisk is, how many feet? I have that up on now. That is definitely in that other directory. Yeah, that's the video about the obelisk. The obelisk is how long? Oh God, it's gotta be... I don't know, a hundred feet long or something like that. It's a 1980, 90 feet long, I'm thinking. You'll see it in the picture. It's a giant, giant block. I mean, so it's not extracted either. That's what I should say. It is still attached to the bedrock, so they were cutting it out. and then for whatever reason they stopped.

2:45:34But if you assume that the Obelisk would have a square section, which means same with, like this, a square section, it would have, it's mass with the granite there at like 2 .7 tons per cubic meter is roughly 1 ,200 tons. And had it be stopped because it was cracked or didn't know? That's what they say. That's what they say. I don't think so. I don't think that it doesn't, to me, that's hard to say whether it was cracked or not. It was people tried to quarry it after. There wasn't much attempt made to quarry. I don't know why you would even if it cracked, why not use it if it's actually part if it was done during domestic Egypt.

2:46:10I mean, you've done all that work. You've cut out the trenches on all of it around. You could cut pieces out of that. It'd take way less work. You want to get a smaller piece of stone for something else. Just cut it. You should use it, but that's not what happened. And last, the technology was so sophisticated that what they wanted was very specific and they could just do it again. Yeah, and maybe it didn't crack. I think that's an example like you do see on a lot of these sites like the Serapim, like the Assyrian, that the quarry that something happened that meant tools down. Yeah, so here's the painting.

2:46:40This is the pictographs. Those are the paintings and if you compare that to what's on like the pre -donastic vases, you'll see exactly the same thing. Now, so these depictions of flamingos, was it possible to deit the paint that they used? I think you probably could. I don't know if anybody ever has. I'd love to see that done. Yeah, I would love for that to happen. That's that's a very good point because it just There's a few things in Egypt where I'm like, why don't we date that? Sorry Jamie scroll down a little bit That scoopy thing No below that yeah, they're right there. What's that? So that's another piece near in the quarry and this puts the light of the stupid pounding stone theory of how they explain this in the mainstream because these scoop marks they tell you are pounding stones.

2:47:32This is another big piece. This is probably, we guessed this piece, it was probably going to be like a smaller seated statue but still sometimes maybe 150 tons. And they were cutting this out. So you can see this is the process of like carving out underneath it. And so you can get in these trenches and the scoop marks are crazy though because they extend basically from the top of the wall, like 15 feet straight down these ridges, they go all along the ground under and then up on the roof side. So if you're pounding, you would have been doing this pounding up to pound that out and it also it's a very sharp turn on the inside.

2:48:07There's some, it's the result of some tool. Awesome, someone's going to be underneath it when it finally crumbles. Yep, that would not, yep, not a, don't want to draw that short straw. Thank you very much. Yeah, we take people down into that area around this block every time it's great and there's very bizarre looking and you can grab that stone and whack out it and just see how how little effect you'll have with the meat, you know, but those stones were as that an example what they are trying to claim was used. Yes. Along with that take. So is that the unfinished obelisk? That is the unfinished obelisk.

2:48:38And so where is that sucker cracked? So there's a couple cracks, right? So this is the thing that there's attempts at quarrying that have been made. It's, I think it's that crack up that towards the top is what they say, how it cracked, but we don't know how it cracked. We don't know if it cracked after the fact either. It's possible that, I mean, like a lot of these places that it was a tool's down situation, just something happened to stop, whether it's civil unrest, cataclysm. Right. And this thing was buried too. Like, that's the thing. There was a lot of quarrying that happened And after this at higher levels, so you got to imagine when you go to this quarry, it's like they've cut the top off a granite mountain.

2:49:15They've taken so much granite out of there. Huge granite mountain to get down to this sort of high quality granite, which is not surface level granite. You have to go 10, 12, 15 meters into granite to get blocks that are even possible to be this size, or this one single piece. And in fact, even now, all of this has changed. This is not there's no staircase all of that that gravel up to the north of that has all been moved We're still clearing the site out or they are But when this was first discovered it was buried in like seven eight meters of quarry rubble from all of the quarrying that had happened Above it and around it like for thousands of years the Egyptians the Romans Yeah, this was buried how they know it was there was that there was like like an edge one little edge piece poking out Like what the hell is this?

2:50:04And then it was how it was, it was Flinders Patriots assistant who actually excavated that site and he had to like split a bunch of big blocks to even get it out of the way. It took him forever, but they eventually uncovered it all. But it was the back end of it. It's like seven, eight meters of rubble that they had to clear out. I mean, yeah. That's nuts. Yeah, it is. And to me, it's like, it's quite plausible. It's a possibility that that was there. It was done. I mean, there's more of that stuff out there. For sure. There's many more quarries. This is just because that's in the quarry. That's the quarry that's been cleared and made available for tourists.

2:50:41But just tons of quarries. There's, yeah, these are great pictures. That's the dual image. This is when it first popped out. Yeah, so they had this section over there like, wow, this is something else. And so what happened with the pounding stones are really interesting because there were thousands of them on the site. These round stones however the vast majority of them were broken. That was split and God I'm blanking on the name of the guy who excavated the site. However, he was like, huh, how come these are all broken? And he tried to break him. So he stood up in like a 15 feet up and he's hurling these stones down onto the granite and like bang, bang, do it like 10 times and eventually he cracks a chip off one of them because they're dollar -right, They're hard, they are harder stone.

2:51:28And look, you will eventually create enough dust, eventually, I mean, it's like the, there actually have been studies done, Dennis Stocks did a study, and it's the volume, it's basically you remove about, I think it was two thirds the volume of a golf ball in an hour of pounding. Yo. So not a lot. Not a lot. Yeah, and if you can imagine, I like to tell people it's like, you can only fit like you know these these trenches around this cork it's like you can put a thousand dudes in there and they've got to sit in there's like one person in one spot and then dudes and so all you have to do is imagine all of that space being filled up with golf balls add another third for the you know because it's two thirds of golf ball and then maybe add another half again to that to account for the negative space between the balls that's how many hours it would take which is I mean decades of effort like it's not it's not remotely possible to do it in any reasonable time frame, people can't.

2:52:25And pounding stones is like, come on. How do you break it free? Well, that's the issue. Who's underneath it when the pounding? Like how does... That's what I think these balls were. So I think they're very difficult to break. They've taken away all the broken ones. The only ones on site now, these like little nice rounded ones. And even then you can't do it from all the company. You have to kind of let it go and catch it. And your arms are burnt out and no time. But I think the reason so many were broken, I actually, I think, and you can actually see this in the harbour area that are these channels that I think they cut under them.

2:52:57You can see the remnants of them where they took the big extraction out. And I suspect what they did was they would shove these balls of dollar right in there, and it would provide them enough movement or just enough support where they could cut the rest of the whatever scoop out or remove the other attachment points. And then you're also, once you get out of that trench, you can now shift this thing ever so slightly to get whatever you would need to get under it to lift it up out of it because that's the other problem with the obelisk is like it's on an angle and I mean the trench is going to be when it's completed they didn't they had only dug down two thirds as deep as they needed to go so that trench at its thickest point would have been like 12 15 feet deep down there and you've got to get under it so you still you it's on an angle you have to lift that thing up 15 20 feet up in the air to get it out of the trench and then somehow move it to get into this rocky, crazy environment to move it to get it somewhere to then take it wherever else you're taking it.

2:53:56But you'd have to be able to maneuver. So I think I honestly think those dollar -right balls could have been used as primitive ball bearings that were just that's all they were used for was to support it while you cut it free. And then and then it would a lot of them would have snapped in half under the mass of something like that which explains why so many of them were broken because you ain't broken those things by pounding on them. Like it's just not gonna break. That actually makes sense that they were used as some sort of a ball bearing. Yeah. But even so, even if that's the case, like, how?

2:54:28What? Well, how are you lifting it? What are you doing to lift that obelisk out? How many people are involved if it's just manually but how do you... You cannot fit enough people around that obelisk to even come close. Like not, you're probably not even to get 10 % of the amount of people. It's such a rocky, weird, You can't fit that many people around it today. I have no idea how they, I mean, I don't think they would do this without the expectation that they could get it done, you know what I mean? But what kind of conventional explanation is this? There's nothing for this. There's nothing. There's nothing.

2:54:59They just gloss over it. We don't know. They say we don't know. They don't address the realities of the thousand tons. I've not seen anyone address those realities. Well, okay, so they do. And there's, and it's like, with logistics, They will show you pictures where the Egyptians are moving something that is a hundred tons or 150 tons and say see Now that's not how Logistics works so for example with the statues. We know they scale right up to You know thousand tons or more There is a picture on a tomb of a guy named De Jute Hotepp and I've got this in the statues directory I think it's a K it's a painting on a wall and it's it's a it's a it's a sled with this statue and there is like you know, rows of guys, they've got the imprint of dudes behind dudes and they're all pulling on a rope.

2:55:48No pulleys again. They didn't have force multipliers. They were just straight pulling wooden levers, a wooden sled. They drag in this statue. In the case of this statue, we know about this statue. There's pieces of it left. It was made from alabaster, cow sites, not as heavy as granite. But it probably weighed the estimate of how much it weighed was 57 tons. Which is quite a lot. It's respectable, right? And you can imagine, but with There's enough labor and honestly, this is it. This is a 57 -ton statue. There's a guy pouring something on the sand or in front of them so you can count all these dudes and the shadows of the dudes behind them on these ropes.

2:56:21And so there's a figure about it and there's been papers written about this. There's literally, I think, a Japanese team wrote a paper about what would it take to do this. And okay, this is possible. For 57 -tons with enough people, enough horsepower, you can do it. Now, it's not like that scales up on a linear increase in difficulty to something that's a thousand tons. It's more of a logarithmic exponential curve. You cannot take this explanation and apply it to something that's a thousand tons. It's 20 times as heavy. The friction coefficient goes through the roof. Those sleds would literally just drive into the ground.

2:56:58You get to your in realms of mass, where it's like material failure becomes a problem. wood is no longer sufficient to support that. You certainly can't move it up any slopes. You have to do all this ground preparation, work to even attempt it. And they move these things like a thousand kilometers. If there's a place that you could go back in time and see that is it. That is it. Yeah. Quarry would be a good one. God, if you could go back in time just to see construction. I guess quarry, but I mean, the pyramids and how are you lifting things? What are you doing? What is your machinery and you must have some kind of technology that is just dust in the wind now.

2:57:37It has to be, because we've tried this, like did you know about the thunderstorm, you heard of this thing? No. Okay, so. No, I did hear about this. Yeah, so in like the 1700s, I think it was pre -industrial age. Well, at the early days, but no diesel power, no hydraulics. And this is the thunderstorm. So we did that in Russia, they moved this thing from Finland to Russia, it's at St. Petersburg, they carved it as they went. it's the base now for, I think, a bronze statue of Peter the Great. But this is how they did it. And so basically, you can see the cap stands, the twist things these dudes are working on, they're rotating.

2:58:12They would dig these giant holes to anchor these big logs in the ground to then use pulleys and force multipliers with dudes on giant rails. And then they would have these huge big iron rails that they would put on the ground and carry back and forth. and the whole thing was moving on these bronze spheres, these big giant bowling ball sized spheres of bronze. And on a good day, they'd move this thing 150 meters. What's that? 450 feet? It's still pretty impressive. Yeah, but it took them years and years. And then, and it's, this thing weighed around 1500 tons. It's interesting that using bronze spheres, you know, it's a brass spheres, I'm sorry.

2:58:49But, but, whatever, metal spheres, which is very similar to what you're describing with the armblass. Right. But there's again, when you compare the level of technology here to Ancient Egypt, there's nothing that they have. They show you what they did with that de Joudi Hotef image. It's a wooden sled, no force multipliers, no cap stands, no pulleys, no none of that. Just dudes, you ain't getting a rope. There's no evidence they use pulleys. Pouring water on the sand, or milk, or whatever, or whatever. Who knows? It's just stupid. You cannot explain it when it took us everything they had for years and years to move them.

2:59:23And by the way, they did, they took that across the Gulf of Finland and it wasn't on some little river barge either. They built a giant platform, took them a year to build it and then they had to put warships on either side of it to keep it balanced. It's massive to even pop this thing in the center and hope that they got this thing to go over to Russia to then move it the rest of the way. So it ain't no barge carrying a thousand tons down the aisle. No, it's nuts. Something happened. So it's all so fascinating and something happened is actually the only answer we have. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree.

2:59:55Ben, you're awesome man. I really, really appreciate you coming on here. Your channel, Uncharted X, fantastic channel. So much good content. How long have you been doing it now? I've been doing it, I mean I quit my job 10 years ago but not, I mean Uncharted X. God, you have the courage to do that. It was a big old step. The wife was like, what are you doing? I know but look, you were right. It worked out. I am super grateful as worked out. In fact, I want to, I mean, obviously thank you for the hospitality and the invite and I genuinely also think Do I've come full circle with this a little bit like I what got me into it in the first place Gen I mean, I was always interested but it wasn't until Graham's first who I've gotten to know very well over the years I love that man It wasn't until his first appearance on your podcast back in the old days like was it 2011 2012 something like that Who's the first real guests?

3:00:47Yeah, that was just me and Duncan that one. You and Duncan, right? At your age, did you have a house? That's what I was doing at my house. That one was what really, I mean, after that, I followed him really closely. I went to Peru and Bolivia with him in 2013 and then 2015 and went with him to Egypt. So it's like the fact that I'm here talking to you now. You started me on this and it's come full circles. I thank you for that. And the fact that you are interested in this topic, I think is such a boon to everyone else out there that you get to spread the word and it's just such a benefit to the whole space.

3:01:19Well, I'm so happy that you guys, like you took that fucking baton and ran with it. But I mean, the world right, I love it. My answer to all this is, who's not? I don't understand you if you're not interested in this. How is this not unbelievably fascinating? Yeah, 100 % I agree. That's what happened to me. I'd fell down this pyramid shaped hall. I was doing, I mean, I had quite a career before this in the tech world, but I mean, I'd go to conferences and tech events and the second that we're out in the break room. I'm talking about the young address and pyramids and NASA statues and all this shit, Graham Hancock and they're like, this is really interesting.

3:01:57I'm like, I know. It's literally the most interesting thing about civilization, that time period and the mysteries that are involved in trying to just decipher what happened. It is the most fascinating time in history. I think. I agree. I agree. I agree. Again, thank you so much. Thank you, Jack. We'll definitely do this again. I would love to. Especially if some more information comes out about the Labrith. And hopefully more people, you know, we're also picking up the baton and all people get involved. I see that happening. I'm very glad that it is. I'm thrilled to see other people getting into the field.

3:02:34I'm not, I don't see any of this. It's not competition. It's like all of the world. You can say you found it. Yeah, you can. Come on, you can't. You can definitely say you found it. You could, well, everybody will agree that you found it. We didn't talk about the sphinx and the stuff in his arsehole, but save that for next time. Let's do it again then. Definitely do it again. Yeah, I would love to. Thank you so much. Thanks Ross. All right. Thanks.