#2376 - Brigham Buhler

28:27That is not their choice. They cannot force you to go pay $1 ,300 at CVS. That is not their choice. And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say we're not going to prescribe compounded medicines on GLP1s. You've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous. Where is this coming from? where in this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine. So they're not just attacking the compounding process. They're also trying to obstruct the FDA and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice and Lilly is challenging that telemedicine is legal.

29:16Gila Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost effective care is telemedicine. And Lilly thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lilly launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in. But in the meantime, they're claiming that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine. They just want full monopoly. 100 % so what can be done? We're doing it. Like, I can't believe we're doing it. So, I leave that first meeting with the FDA.

29:51I get that message from this individual with the FDA and I thought I'm gonna wait and see. I hope this person's wrong. Let's see what happens and when we were in Europe, I get a call from another source that said, hey, they're doing it. They're in a court document. The FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would effectively, in effect, ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded. Now, remember, they already put, I think over a dozen peptides on a bulk list a year ago, that's all separate from the GLP1. Why did they do that? Because of the lobby of big pharma.

30:33You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA who have legacy relationships with big pharma. We've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA And then got so revolving door They're sought their swap and spit their lobbying together. They're going to dinners together They're spending time together and the CEO of lily is up trumps ass. I was with another high high high level person at HHS and their phone kept ringing. I swear to God kept ringing and they looked at their phone And they go So, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.

31:12And all of this was happening in the dark. And so, what we can do is what we're doing. This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA, and Secretary Kennedy and his team were playing Wacomoll. You know, because it's, you got to think, it's not just the FDA. It's the CDC. It's the NIH. Yeah. 80 ,000 employees. I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration. You got, you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians. You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80 ,000 people that have been co -opted. And I'm not there to say all those people are bad.

31:51There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations. But there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s where over 60 % of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules. And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs. And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders. And you're not reading the emails from compounders, right? And so when I told the FDA what made you decide this backlog was over, they said, well industry told us they could meet the need. And I said, okay, well did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30 ,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need, less than 6 % of prescriptions were available.

32:36They cannot meet the need. They're going to force people to hire dosages and it's going to cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people and it's going to bankrupt our systems. Did you not see these emails? They just set their dead quiet. And so, jump forward, I get wind in a court document and it's all in secret, right? All this shit happens in the shadows and then they play dumb. Oh, we didn't know. What do you mean? We didn't understand. We that's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy bullshit It's a court document that sets precedent and that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity While at the same time you have big pharma trying to patent a hundred and forty fucking peptides as biologics that we were already making for the last decade Jesus.

33:20Is it about safety? Is it about safety because all of the adverse events that have been reported almost all of them a huge majority of the adverse events which aren't even that many came from black market peptides. And that's what Lily's, Lily in the court case two weeks ago, presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, where are they? And Lily said, right here in this Reddit forum, I swear to God. Oh my God. I'm Reddit forum. Are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum? You should send them to the flat earth Reddit forum.

33:55Like, let's see what else is going on there. So that's just like a sliver joke, like a fucking sliver of what I've been living. One of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good. That's one of my favorite narratives. One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large scale government organization is that we are trying to protect people from harm. They're fucking never. No one is trying to protect you. Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it's about geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is, it is all about money.

34:30There's not a single thing that you could point to. Well, the government really cares here. This is the one. This one is a large, huge corrupted organization that really cares. Like there's not one. You can historically go back. Of course. That's where it's like, it's money. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I know people want to label it as that. But if you go back, the FDA's predecessor, I think, was the Food Something Act of 1901. And as they went to try and create this organization, industry assembled. Who's industry? Big chemical, big food, big pharma. Well, Rockefeller literally set the tone for the entire medical establishment in this country by using petroleum -based medicine.

35:12He got it. Yeah. And people don't know this. Most of your medicines in this country are formulated with the use of petroleum. That is because of Rockefeller. Yep. Because he had a monopoly on that. And that's why the side effect profile is higher. And that's why peptides don't have any of these things. Again, we're synthesizing short -chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in. And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization of peptides.

35:53And Big Pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch and they're scrambling to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector. And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and administration and pretend like they're going to play the game, but they're not going to play the game. There's no way. There's no way the goalpost. There's no way Trump is aware of all this. This is an ad by better help. When you have a problem, when you're feeling down, it's nice having someone to turn to, like a partner who could cheer you up, a friend, a vent to, a parent who can give you advice, even having a nice conversation with a stranger can be uplifting.

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37:52So the message that Secretary Kennedy gave me and this is where I'm like it isn't woo -woo it isn't bullshit I can tell you I've texted that guy two times in my life and both times he's called me within 10 minutes and I texted him I said I have an emergency this is a big deal I want to make you aware of something that's happening at the FDA and he called me and said what's going on and I laid it out for him and he said what the fuck are you talking about basically I had no idea and it's not he's again He's playing whack -a -mole. He's got 500 fires. You've got some legacy employee at the FDA That's gonna try and make this statement in a court document That's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy Right, and then even in the subsequent meetings.

38:36So RFK said give me 10 minutes 10 minutes later I'm on calls with the FDA Then he's like how soon can you come meet with the FDA again? So we said an emergency conference call I do a call with the FDA. He said again his his secretary Kennedy's team said they're gonna approach this with an open mind and an open heart and they're gonna have there It's gonna be a different tone than the last meeting and I'm gonna try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call Okay, the call went down at like eight in the morning when he was in Alaska and then another mole leaked to me because I have moles I'm playing I'm playing the game they play now I'm not gonna fuck around and my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it, and that called it knock -o -well.

39:22It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying, we're going to stay the course. We're not opening peptides up to the American people. And so I had to text his team and go, hey, I called him go well. And then they're like, are Intel's telling us the same thing. And so he stepped in and said, this is a mandate. We are not going to dictate to the American people that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides. This is a mandate. You need to figure this out and we need to open accessibility and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere.

40:04We're going to have another opioid crisis. I explain this to them too. Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross -contamination. Or if they're even real. Yeah. I've had people buy Ipa Moralin of online and you know, that's a peptide that when you do it, it has a very strong reaction like you feel it in your body. Like immediately after there's nothing. They get nothing. I'm like, yeah, it's probably bullshit. Yeah. You're buying bullshit peptides.

40:39But the point is like if Kennedy is not aware of all this, there's no way Trump is. Yeah. He cannot be. No, they have too many things they're fighting. He's literally involved in Rwanda having like peace talks with enemies that have been enemies for 20, 30 years trying to bring them to the table. All the shit that's going on with Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the shit that's going on with Ukraine and Russia. Do you think even understands peptides? Like look at them. Well, the healthcare system is complicated. It's nuanced. And the challenge is you have some of the best litigators in attorneys in the world on payroll for these big pharmaceutical cartels.

41:23Of course. And they fund 60 % of the FDA. And the history of the FDA is that it, I've said over and over again, it's captured, but the truth is all of these organizations were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. They're even doing it right now making it look like the world's turning. I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's got to go, all these people. But the truth is, last week, they announced the approval ratings and RFK is up seven points in the approval rate, the highest rating of any elected official.

42:01The American people are not turning on RFK. Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle. You lost legacy employees. You lost this dude wearing sex gear and shit on covers of magazines. Who wants to get, everyone to get, have B. Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate kids. Nobody's saying, not to. There's literally no reason. I know, but what they're saying right now is, all they're saying right now is we don't want to keep mandating without science, without evidence. And we want to understand, is there a potential risk of side effects when we hit a child with this mini vaccines before the age of two?

42:37Did you see the conversation that Kennedy had where he was talking about, they were talking about measles? And he said, we have had four deaths from measles in the last 20 years. Do you know any cases of autism that we've had? And he rattled off that like the numbers? You know in California it's literally one in 12 boys now? Yep. He said that at the Texas legislature when, yeah, it signed off on the bills that I helped testify. But yet you're having guys like Bernie Sanders who doesn't know I look listen. I'm on an old school Bernie bro. I love Bernie. I love the idea of Bernie. Yeah. Bernie doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

43:18Bernie didn't know what the fuck he's talking about when it came to climate change. Yeah. It's a real thing. Climate change is definitely happening. Like what are you saying? Like what does that mean? Is the climate ever been static? Like when you like confront them on the details, you've really doesn't know what he's talking about. To me, what's frustrating is... They're narratives. Yes, they're narratives. narratives is that what we've done with vaccines is stop all the diseases. Okay, are you sure? Do you really know that? Have you ever looked at the history of the eradication of diseases and the introduction of sanitation, running water?

43:50If you looked at any of that stuff, nutrition, vitamins, maintenance, stuff, do you know anything about polio for real? When I tell people the polio statistic that 95 to 99 % of polio is asymptomatic. It's one of my favorite questions. I'm like, what percentage of polio? You know, you know, DAD. You also follow that. So the DDT story. So you need to use the CDC. This is, these are so many fucking crazy stories. The CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread. Okay. And the The first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria.

44:35And they spread a array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity and did all these things. That was the foundation of the CDC. And where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit. Do you know how this where the CDs sees headquarters is? Their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted to them by Coca -Cola. The CDC to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by Coca -Cola. And in a FOIA request, there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC. I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca -Cola and saying They're gonna do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar.

45:25It runs so deep and then you go to the EPA. You got an EPA in its relationships with Monsanto. The EPA in a FOIA request, one of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents, literally send an email saying, if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal. All of this shit's out there. I put all of it on the website. You can go find all of this stuff. It is there. And so systematically FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH, every one of these systems have been built, co -opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry. And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people, there's a big podcast that drop that if anyone, it gets into antidepressants.

46:16And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides, because you're going to have academia go, well, the difference is drugs are investigated and peptides aren't. And there's no placebo controlled double blind studies. One, there are. There's a lot. And we can systematically break that down too. They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process, because that costs two billion dollars. Well, who was that? Two billion dollars to bring a drug to market. What a great way to be a gateway. Boom. It was established by Big Pharma. Big pharma told the FDA let's build this model right so then they capture the molecule at the NIH level Bring it to phase two and three trials bring it into human trials the cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be And then it's a pay to play system and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation Because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or a stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process.

47:26I can't afford $2 billion. And so what you've given Big Pharma is the keys to the Ferrari and they control all the Ferrari's that hit the marketplace. But then they co -opt and corrupt the data. So here's an example. When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the evidence. I worked for Eli Lilly. That was my first job out of college. We sold anti -psychotic drugs, I prexia. Patients would come in and doctors would say, berigom, I don't know what's going on dude. This lady put on 30 fucking pounds and like, literally a month, this is not good. There's something going on here. And so when we go back to the mangles safety, where was safety on that drug?

48:10Out of 12 blockbuster drugs in the last, I think 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, 10 of them have black box warnings. Black box, the most harshest warning you can get. The studies oftentimes don't represent long -term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multi -faceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking, and how do all these impact each other? Average Americans on four more prescription drugs. All right, so I wanna lay out for the anti -depressant because this one's crazy. How do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders?

48:58And I'm not, I wanna be clear. I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist and I'm not saying that there is not a medical issue with patients. Well, it's all completely subjective. It's not like a test that they can give you. like do you have syphilis? Correct. There is no blood test. Right. There is no brain test. Right. There is no chemical brain test. Not only that, let's be really clear. The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven. Correct. So it's not... Even in autopsy. Yeah. Even in autopsy. That, and you know who perpetuated and created that narrative was Big Pharma.

49:34Of course. Big Pharma created that narrative, sold that story. It was never a serotonin deficiency. There's zero evidence to show that so the screening tool We use to tell you if your child has ADHD Was developed by a doctor in the 70s who was a consultant for Ritalin. Oh, Jesus now jump to the 90s Eli Lilly Pfizer everyone's launching an anti -depressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin in selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain. The measuring stick to decide whether your depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer, a doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant.

50:27Do a simple questionnaire Then that they set the rules they set the protocols they set the the everything But there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is just a questionnaire It's totally subjective so what what is this questionnaire? Can we take it and find out if I need pills? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I can tell you that should we take it? Yeah, let's take it. I want to see if I need pills and see hold on that would be hilarious. I've never met a single person that's depressing as a great life. Is that weird? And that has never met a single person that's healthy, has a family where everyone's doing well.

51:05They have a good career that they enjoy. Well, that's why when what's that dipshit, coveer is like, it's multi -faceted in healthcare. Yeah, dumbass. It is. Who's that? Coveer, uh, coveer report guy. Oh, that he just attacked maho a few weeks ago and was like, yeah, he was saying that to try and go after food and the drug companies is insane. And so if you follow even depression, you look super healthy. I look to see him in the underwear. When, if you follow depression, when did we skyrocket in depression? When did depression skyrocket? It skyrocketed in the 80s. What happened in the 80s? We moved to an ultra -process food diet.

51:40There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra -process foods and sugary foods than any other aspect. We're all gonna go through highs and lows. We're all gonna have tough times. But when we're systematically, chronically inflamed, and poising in our bodies through our food systems, you're exhausted and depressed. And it leads to all these, I don't want, I don't have cell in here, I'm trying to see what they do. I get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking fruit loops. I mean, think about it. Is healthy as I am. Brigham, does this work do things?

52:17ADHD, self -report scale. That's the ADHD one. Let's try this one though, because I'm pretty sure I have this. How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final details of a project once the challenging parts have been done? I'm kind of done on the qualifier for that one, never. I get shit done. Okay. One five, I guess, red, it's never too very often. If it's a project, if it's not, I get shit done. Okay, how often, but that's just a decision that I've made. I know you gotta give me a score, we have to score you. Never. Okay, how often do you have difficulty getting things in order once you have a task that requires organization?

52:52Oh, yeah, I have a problem getting things in order Often let's go with often on that one how often you have a problem remembering appointments or obligations Sometimes let's say sometimes with that one When you have but that's just overwhelming. I'm just overwhelmed with shit going on And when you have a task that requires a lot of thought, how often do you avoid or delay getting started? Sometimes, let's say sometimes. How often do you fidget or squirm with your hands and feet when you have to sit down for a long time, often? How often do you feel overly active and compelled to do things like you were driven by a motor?

53:35Always, very. How often do you make careless mistakes when you have to work on a boring or difficult project. That's not applicable. I don't have any boring or difficult projects, careless mistakes. What are the options again? Let's say,

53:57rarely. Okay, let's just go through this real quick. How often do you have difficulty keeping your attention? We're doing boring, better. Where we did that. How often do of difficulty concentrating on what people say to you, even when they are speaking to you directly. Well, it depends on the person. If it's you, no problem at all. But if it's someone who's saying some boring shit, yeah. So what's the middle one? Sometimes. Let's go with sometimes. Uh, Kerr. Uh, how often do you misplaced or have difficulty finding things at home or work? Mm, I'd say often with that one. How often do you distract it by activity or noise around you often?

54:39How often do you leave your seat in meetings or other situations where you're expected to remain seated? Never. How often do you feel restless or fidgety often? How often do you have difficulty unwinding and relaxing when you have time to yourself always? I always have difficulty. What's the most one with that? Very often very often with that How often do you find yourself talking too much when you're in social situations? What's too much? My social situations are all with professional talkers. That's a weird one. I don't think I... Well, because I do podcasts a lot, I'm pretty good at like not talking too much.

55:24So what's the options again? Rarely. Let's say rarely because I'm pretty good at that, but it does happen. We earned a conversation how often do you find yourself finishing the sentences of people you're talking to before they can finish? Again, depends on who I'm talking to. If I'm talking to a fucking moron and they're laying things out to me that are super obvious but they're going really slowly and like, let's go pick it up. Yep, I got it. So it depends. Sometimes? What are the options again? Never rarely sometimes often very often. Rarely let's say rarely because I rarely talk to morons. How often do you have difficulty waiting your turn in situations when turn taking is required?

56:09Difficulty. Like what would I be doing then as turn no? No, I don't really have a problem with that. How often do you think too? They're asking children this which is going to be a lot. I'm sorry, I'm pulsing. This one's for adults. Oh, this is the adult, okay. How often do you interrupt others when they're busy? Again, I got a weird life, so that doesn't really come up. I'm not interrupting any, I'm not like showing up at someone's work and interrupting them, so that's never. That's it, okay. Let's find out, do I have a problem? So here's where this gets wild though. So now look back retrospectively.

56:45Okay, when I was a lily rep, and they're talking about ProZac, and we're going to cure depression. And depression's caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain. We now know all that's hogwash. We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects. And their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52 point depression scale SSRIs score two points higher than placebo. 2 points higher. It's not statistically relevant. It fails to differentiate statistically from placebo. There are two things that do differentiate from placebo.

57:27Exercise is five times more potent than placebo or an antidepressant in studies. Red light therapy is even higher, two times higher than any antidepressant that's ever hit the market. But now you've put a person in a chemical straight jacket where you have wrecked their system. You have now created more harm than good. So step one in medicine, do no harm. Step one for the FDA. Make sure these drugs are safe. They're not safe. Even there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seen in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs.

58:14Because it numbs the emotions. It shuts down the emotional response. It damages relationships. These are catastrophic things that you're giving these people for what? They're also connected to almost every school shooter. Yeah. You said it. Yeah. And that's something that no one wants to say. No one wants to talk about that. No one in the news wants to talk about it. You You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's some statistical thing that you can look at, it's like, wow, this is crazy, that this one particular medication is involved in almost every mass shooting.

58:49And when you say mass shootings, like here's a thing that gets thrown around about when it would talk about mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs. You have gang like what happens in Chicago every weekend like last weekend in Chicago 54 people got shot Well, he will say Trump is doing a terrible thing bringing the National Guard asked the people of Chicago if that's terrible Yeah, if you want this to continue like do you have a better solution if you have a better solution I'm not a fate in favor of bringing the National Guard into every fucking city and militarizing America No, I think that's terrible and the argument against guns is that people are getting shot in Chicago But if you look at the states that have the highest gun violence, it's the states that have the strictest gun laws.

59:37Yes, and guys are still gonna get guns. Exactly. And so there's that that's one So this is when but when you're talking about school shootings, that's a different thing so school shootings get You you find almost all mentally ill people and whatever feel we don't you know you don't have to politicize it but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication. I mean every single one of them all the way back to calm mind but yet no one brings that up. That seems insane and that seems completely co -opted. If you have an industry that is literally sponsoring the fucking news on CNN literally proudly not even hiding it right brought to you they want everyone to know that they're sponsoring the news and you know the way it's been described to me uh...

1:00:30god who it was a cali means yeah was was saying this is not so that they can sell more drugs on the news this is so that the news doesn't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies and they don't they avoid them they avoid it like the plague if there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news. Like let's say cannabis. Let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting. Do you don't think that that would be brought up like fucking full court press in the front page of the New York Post and the New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC they would start talking about it.

1:01:08If it was some some masculine thing like if it was testosterone. It was like in testosterone therapy. So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in 100 % of school shooters. Jesus Christ. They would be feminizing the world. You boys need to eat more soy. You need to get tofu into schools. You know, we need to stop weightlifting. No more weightlifting. No more cold plunges because they increase testosterone as well. No more, you know, no more fucking going outside of the sun. Sunlight gives you vitamin D, vitamin D, increases testosterone. Get out of the sun. Yeah, it's cause of mass shootings.

1:01:45a ton of stuff correlating at lack of vitamin D to depression. Yeah. I mean, there's a whole lot of these different. A whole immune system. Yeah. If you have a low level of vitamin D, you're chronically susceptible to all kinds of pathogens. Your immune system fucking sucks. And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics. So like testifying here at the state level on these maha bills. three bills got passed in the state of Texas Joe. I don't know if you've been following all that. But these bills, I mean, you would think that you would think we were asking to like, I don't even know, like the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy.

1:02:33So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowballs chance in hell that we were going to get Mahaw bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive and a lot of these politicians have relationships and ties with industry. And we're an industry -forward state. We always want to be an industry -forward state. But we can make money without killing people. We can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people. You just can't make the most money. That's the problem with all that. It's not making money. It's making the most money. We've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue.

1:03:06I'm in favor capitalism. I think it's awesome. I think communism sucks. I think socialism is contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of. I think we'd all agree on that. However, when you have a system that's set up where has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that. You have to abandon ethics and morals or co -op the fucking law. Co -op the rules. Co -op the regulations. Make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible. And you know it that's a big farm is not really worried that compounders are going to take away their profits They're going to hurt their their marketing on Wall Street their shareholder pricing, right?

1:03:47If if if there's Competition if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for 12 years on a compound What does that mean for their shareholder price? How much can they skyrocket that stock price exactly? And that's what it's all about and this is why people need mushrooms The for real. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding because there's going to come a point in time where people realize like there's got to be a way to abandon This ridiculous mindset that our country has been entraped by Yeah Well, and in the state of Texas how progressive is it that Texas past that I began bill? It's amazing Well kudos to Rick Perry because him as a Republican former governor championing this is so huge because it has so many alliances with so many different people they'll go, oh god, Rick Perry is saying this.

1:04:38And then on top of that, it's veterans that are being positively affected by this compound, by IBegaine, by this psychedelic. And to deny veterans is very un -American, right? So if you're a Republican, good luck. If you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you or people that support veterans or organize against you. And not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody who's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing that... In a success rate. Yes, it's astronomical.

1:05:14It's staggering, huh? So, let's talk about that. So, for addiction, the success rate is with one experience, it's 83 % successful. These people never do heroin again. They never take opiates again. They stop drinking. They stop smoking cigarettes Whatever the fuck it is with two experiences. It's in the 90s. It's something like 94 % That's insane. There's not thing like that. Yeah, that's available There's not a rehab would go out of business with rehabs if you know anybody has been the rehab very rarely does someone go to rehab once Yeah, you know the most successful former alcoholic that I knew, he never went to rehab.

1:05:58He never did anything. He never went to a 12 step program. He crashed his car under bridge. He got chased by the cops. He got arrested. He's like, fuck, I'm done. And he just quit. He just quit. And he was a lifelong alcoholic. Yeah. So nice. Yeah, it's like he does. And he's like it always helps you such a huge place. And to me, all of this, all of this falls under one giant over arching theme. medical right to choose. It's, I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally ill or who has nothing to lose.

1:06:34Why would you stop them from using peptides? Why would you stop them from using stem cells? Why would you stop them from using psychedelics? I asked, of course, but that's just, I mean, let's not wait until they're almost dead. Yeah, we could get exactly. for termally ill people. Let's not wait for that. And in the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression, astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're going to see in an SSRI or data press. Not only that, it doesn't kill you at all. It literally doesn't kill you. The LD50 for mushrooms, you physically can't consume enough to kill half the population.

1:07:12LD50 for people who don't know. the leesal leethal dose of fifty percent of the people that test so you know like if you give strict nine to hundred people pretty much a hundred people are going to die and that's where i'm excited because i i do know and then secretary kennedy did say please resonate for me that i believe in americans right to choose and control their health care journey and i'm a proponent of peptides stem cells hyperbaric yeah and this is why i think i'm political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous. This is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking they're some of them I think thinking they're being a good person.

1:07:48Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news and they are lost and they think that they're doing the right thing while also playing ball. Did you see a human on Bill Mar? Yes I did. Yeah, did you see where Bill Marr asked him? I think about 20 % of what most, he is Bill Marr saying he thinks about, most Americans think 90 % of what we're told in healthcare's right. Bill says, I think it's about 20. And he looks at, he remiss is, what do you think? And he said 10. And then he talked about his buddy who's a high professor at Stanford said at least at minimal 60 % of what we've been taught is wrong.

1:08:29That's insane. Yeah. And the problem is also textbooks don't get updated. They don't get updated to, there's always new studies that come out. There's always new information that comes out of your textbook three years ago. Like that thing is probably not good anymore when it comes in certain disciplines. Well, and look at all the botched studies. Like you and I have covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunk. Then you had the Women's Health Initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products that cause a cascade effect of other health issues.

1:09:03Even if you look at, we covered depression, but now go to statins. Guess who created the screening tools? Yes. And who raised the threshold? It was all big pharma. And then you go to osteoporosis in osteopenia. Nine out of the ten folks who decided that were consultants for industry, industry, including Merck, who made Phosamax, which was an osteoporosis medication over or an over and over again, we can systematically go through every element of health care and break down how that system was captured and corrupted. And I'm not saying doctors are bad. Doctors are doing their best to navigate a system.

1:09:42They're being taught in school systems that were built in this ecosystem and they look at it and go, there's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine. And I'm like, if these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our healthcare system, it's terrifying. Well, that's Peter Hotez, right? Like, if you follow him online and not picking on Peter, but you should. He says you're a person. But then he tweeted when he said that stuff on X and stuff in the past. He tweeted.

1:10:24Because I was trying to get him to have a debate. Yeah. And then he tweeted after we testified a image of like a 1950s Batman characters It was like this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify And I saw that and I'm like like all the joke the Joker and the penguin and all this and I'm like he tweeted that Yeah, and I think in your one that looks like the penguin He's silly boy. I'm not so I when I exposed He closed him on the show when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health. That was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with because people got a chance to see, oh, these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication, people that eat junk food that don't work out that are overweight and, you know, generally unhealthy.

1:11:11Don't take vitamins. It's fine. You just triggered this thought when I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking out when I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra -process foods and coax and soft drinks from food stamps because a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra -process foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty stricken communities. We're just trying to reallocate the resources and change school lunches and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training and mandate that in elementary school through junior high you get nutritional training.

1:11:55That's what these bills were about. Okay, while I'm in the middle of trying to explain to congressmen and congresswomen how detrimental a soft drink is because they don't they don't know they're I'm trying to just say look the difference between a very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream. Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke? And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the Congresswoman holds her Coke up in the microphone. Pshhhhhh. Perfect. And drinks her Coke. Wow. And everyone just busts out laughing.

1:12:35But I'm like, okay, well, the answer is eight to 12 teaspoons of sugar. And you're giving it to a child. You're giving a child eight to 12 teaspoons of sugar at a time and then you're wondering why our children are obese You're wondering why over 70 % of Americans are obese. You're wondering why diabetes is at an all -time high Or what the failed DHD test that I took Did I fail? Yeah, well you didn't fail, but you do have a you need to be checked out a little little further Now imagine if I had a job it sucked So if I had a job at Sucked, I bet I would have answered very often to most of the ones I was like, no, those don't apply.

1:13:16Yeah. So then I would need ADHD medication. Yeah. I told you this on the very first podcast. I'm not splitting atoms on the weekends, man. I failed kindergarten. I'm literally dyslexic. I'm ADHD. They wanted me on Ritalin. My parents were like, we don't want to put him on Ritalin. They said he's got to go to pre -first. I was in a class with kids with helmets. Dude, like I kid you not. I didn't go to first grade. I went to pre -first they thought I was mentally handicapped and I'm like Sitting in there like oh man this sucks. I remember to this day. I was like I don't belong in here But I just didn't fit in that ecosystem.

1:13:52I was I'm sure I was hyper I'm a fucking kid of course. I'm hyper now and I'm gonna grown man I guess it's still you know I have a new puppy and When you have a puppy you realize like oh this is what kids are like like this puppy is insane. So I have Marshall who's out here today. So Marshall's almost nine and Marshall's really chill. I mean, he's got plenty of energy, super healthy, runs around, gets a lot of exercise in. But this fucking puppy is off the rails. I have videos of them playing, like Marshall will pick up a toy and then like Charlie will come over and try to grab the toy. He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving underneath him, biting his face the rolling around, he's insane.

1:14:37He can't sit down and then he crashes, then he wakes up, he pisses and shits, and then he wants to eat and then he wants to go out again. Take that, stick it in a classroom. Yeah. That's what you're doing with kids. Kids are basically human puppies and we're making them sit in these fucking classes and some of them guess what? Have more fucking energy than the other ones and they're more active and they're more physical just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism and those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interests them because they have more energy.

1:15:08And because they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them, which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness of the thing that you actually enjoy. If you have a bunch of things that you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing. So you're going to be less effective at it. Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things and I could just just I could just ignore every I throw my clothes on the ground I don't give a fuck dude.

1:15:42I just I could live in a cave And I can just like lock down but that but that's how you succeed at things I would have to hyper focus like and I if I if it's something I'm interested in it's easy I can hide the focus I can retain I have to day recall if it's something you're interested if it's like like Ferris Bueller's day off and it's some mundane. Bueller. And it's torture, man. And I can't sit still in this environment. But that's why your six has fall. This is what people don't understand. That's a superpower. But I know for sure, I can't get his part. But I know for sure, If I didn't work out, I have anxiety.

1:16:18Oh, yeah. Like when we were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm like, restless, man. And that anxiousness comes out. And to me, that's like going somewhere and not eating. I'm not gonna do that either. Yeah. like if I go on vacation, I'd literally bring kettlebells. I have two 70s and two 50s. They travel with me. He put them in a suitcase. I get them. I like to ship, ship them to where I'm going. I'm very delivered. I don't give a fuck, dude. I'm working out because I'm, I, I have a problem. I think him said he did that with that rock. He tell, I swear he told me a story. He fucking packed that rock that they has people carry.

1:16:52Camp did that for something. I remember I'm sure that story and then he got lost. He keeps that rock on the mountain. And I'm like, don't you worry, someone's gonna be a fan of take. It's like, no. Kind of person who would take it's too much of a pussy to carry it. Oh my God, that's funny. It's hilarious, this fucker rock, that he carries everywhere. But, but you know, you have to stay healthy. And for me, that's my medicine. I'm not, if I was a diabetic and I would say, I'm not taking any insulin. Well guess what, you're a type one diabetic. If you don't take insulin, you're gonna fucking die.

1:17:24Right? Unfortunately, you got bad genes when it comes to the creation of insulin. That's how I am with exercise, man. I'm doing it. If I take a day off of my maniac, I don't like it. I don't like that feeling. I mean, I can take a day off. I can relax. But day two, day two is like, we're, but it's also my brain. It's like, hey, what are you doing? You're gonna be a lazy fuck now? Is that what you're doing? You're gonna be a fat pussy? But just that hyper focus and going through a workout and then you come out the other end and it's mental. It's a huge mental reality. And it's coming from a eight.

1:17:57It's creeping up now as an eight. And then I go work out and it'll be exactly. It's good for everybody. Listen, the nicest people that I know, do jujitsu. And I know that sounds crazy. The nicest people that I know are like regularly, yanking on people's elbow joints and fucking tackling them. Then they're the nicest people I know. And the reason why they're nice is because they take their fucking medicine. They take their anti -aggressive medicine and the idea that that somehow is bad and The like what we need to do is eliminate all masculinity. No, you need to harness it just like everything else I mean, this is just like the same response that we had to nuclear power.

1:18:35Oh, we have three mile island Stop the nukes no more nukes. We've got to now figure out a harness it We were really bad at gasoline the 70s We put fucking lead in it and that's why everybody got lead poisoning And then we had to come up with unleaded gasoline, which is just don't add lead to it, you fucking assholes, don't burn lead, and blast it through the air everywhere you go. That seems fucking insane. Well, we had to figure out how to harness it. Just like we have to figure out how to harness masculinity. I think we're gonna, you brought up lead, and I wanted to get into the, one, the state of Texas stuff, which parallels and runs into the glyphosate shit.

1:19:16If you wanna talk about that, do you wanna? I would love to talk about that. Because one of the things that's happening, I know that they've got an alternative to glyphosate that's even worse. Yeah, they do. And so one of the things that's happening is, at the federal level, they are looking to give big, ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food. And they're voting in secret. This is another fuckery moment, as part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress, they are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atriasing.

1:19:58And we know how well that work for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it. Yeah, exactly. And we do know, let's point this out that the company, Monsanto, that manufacturers glyphosate is the same company that created agent orange is the same company that created DDT is the The same company that with Bayer tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims is the same company that pushed product in the third world nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them. So let's just stop right there. If Satan was a CEO, don't you think you'd be the head of that company?

1:20:32Oh my God. He's imagining, but like you said, well, there's a company in the world where Satan's a CEO. What company do you think that would be? And then you had all this evidence, you lay it out, you're like, oh my God, Satan's alive. He's real. He's killing people with Asian orange. Yeah. And what's crazy is in Europe, they're in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one -fourth of what they're allowing in the United States. And so the farmers and the lobbyists groups here in the state of Texas, when we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry because, can't believe it was the land to misfit toys.

1:21:11It's literally me and I don't mean that drug -intuitive, but it's like, it's just a bunch of average joes testifying against lobbyists. And so it was me, an 18 -year -old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate. My buddy Jason Carp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr. Hyman in the initial testimonies. Hold up. There's an 18 -year -old girl that's testifying? Yeah. She's a food expert. She's a food advocate because she has been able to cure... I don't know her exact story, but her, she's brilliant. She's literally - She's the bread of Thurneburger food. Yeah, pretty much. But she had a - She's not the polar opposite of her.

1:21:48But she's a brilliant girl because she was able to cure some of her chronic illness through no longer eating ultra -process foods. And so now she's become an advocate for these things. What do you know what illnesses she had? I don't remember, I don't wanna say. Her name's Grace Price, if you - She's only 18, that's kinda crazy. Yeah, she's brilliant, she killed it. But here's what happens. We go to testify who shows up you you expose this I think I texted you about it And then you talked about it on the podcast the American Heart Association Came to testify against us Because they didn't want coke and twinkies and soft drinks and ultra -process foods removed from school lunches Snap programs.

1:22:29Well listen. Thank God they're around To set everybody on the right path. Thank God the American Heart Association is there to stand up for twinkies and coke Coca -Cola, which by the way, I enjoy. I mean, if I could just have a day where I didn't think about my health at all, I would love a nice glass of Coca -Cola with a few twinkies. They're fucking delicious. But I know if I did that an hour later, I would wanna die. Oh no, I would feel so bad. And when I do that now, this isn't the thing that I, every now and then, I will fuck off and eat an ice cream sundae. And I feel so bad that I go, how many people feel like this all the time?

1:23:05Exactly. How many people this is their default state? And then you add it to a non -robust body. So you add it to a body that's been sedentary, been eating this stuff forever. So you have this constant cascading effect of inflammation, your fat, your back hurts, your head, your brain fog. All day long you're dealing with this and that's your default. So what happens to me for a very brief amount of time, or if I drink a milkshake, I'm Oh, I feel like shit. That's their whole life. Yeah. And then you're describing my dad. My dad is in that system where he literally just, I love him, but he believes in all this bullshit that he's told, he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he was younger.

1:23:53He'd be on four or five meds and they go, oh, everything's good, everything checked out good. And he'd come back, yeah, the doctor said everything's good. You're on six meds, dude. What do you mean, everything's good? You're on six fucking medications. My dad is now on 12 prescription medications and ended up in the hospital last weekend because of contraindications in the drugs. The third leading cause of death in America's medical misdiagnosis. And like dad, come in, we can do a full workup. We can do all these things. You are a dad. You are a fucking listener. Yeah. My parents take vitamins now, finally.

1:24:29And it's like, dude. Yeah, it's weird man people don't want to listen to their kids and they don't want to change the path that they're on because then they have to admit their whole life has been kind of stupid People don't want to admit that they don't want to admit that they're a buffoon people are so they cling so hard to their identity of being correct Yeah, it's it's too much of what you think of when you think of yourself as your choices and the way you think about things And that's where industry's done a killer job though Joe I know, but for people that are listening to this, if you find yourself in that little category, really that's the weakness.

1:25:03The weakness is not admitting you're wrong, it exposes that you are wrong, and that's weakness. No, the real weakness is not being able to admit that you're wrong. That's the real weakness, because then you'll look, everybody's wrong sometimes. Everybody does something wrong sometimes. It's part of being a human, our brains are, it depends entirely on the inner actions you've had the day, how much taxes you owe that you don't think you're gonna be able to pay, your credit card statements, your fucking, blah, blah, blah, your wife hates you. You think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal that you guys got together.

1:25:40You're all fucking stressed out all the time. That's most of us. People in these conditions are going to make mistakes. You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct and you're gonna argue for something that was wrong. And we found this a lot during the COVID days. It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit like, oh, you kind of had a point. There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong. Never admitted that this whole thing was like, they got caught up in a siaop. But that's weak. You've referred me, not just you, just in general people hearing this, but we have helped so many fucking people with long COVID, vaccine related COVID.

1:26:26Yeah, long COVID, I don't know. One of the long COVID that wasn't vaccinated, one of the people you, no, no, I honestly don't. And one of the people you referred us, who's like a mega star, I didn't get his permission to talk about hits, but I won't say his name, but he literally sent me a long email saying thank you. He's the back, isn't he? Like he, he said his voice, everything is back. like he's been complimented. He's like, I just cannot thank you and your team enough. I fucking love that guy. I wish we could say awesome. But I did, but he rolls like tell my story man. Yeah, I told you. He's down 200 pound not on a G .O .P.

1:27:05one. It's amazing. I want to be clear. He is not on a G .O .P. one. Jelly roll. When we met with him, he said, but I don't want an asterisk next to this. Yeah, he also threw his phone away. Yeah, yeah. He don't have a phone anymore. He's got a new. He calls me from his laptop. Amazing. Face time from his laptop. But it blew, that's the way to be healthy. It's really, it's real, man. You know, if you can, that's another thing that people need to take into consideration when you're talking about mental health. As much as social media is really valuable, I would never advocate for a ban on social media.

1:27:37I think it's really valuable. It's also really bad for you. It's really bad for you if you are interacting with nameless, faceless people and they're being negative to you. You're being negative to them, and you're arguing about climate or fucking... I'm a nobody, I don't have hardly any, and I don't even use it anymore, other than for work, because of the political stuff, people are like, you cook, and then they just start attacking you, and I'll see that, and my dude, I'm telling you the truth, man, I get it. You don't like what I have to say, but I'm not lying. I mean, tell me where I'm lying, I'm documenting everything.

1:28:12I have the receipt. Yeah, I know I get it too. And what you know, it's really funny is when people get mad at you if you criticize the administration like well There's what you voted for like no listen fuck face nobody voted for people No, like maybe a few people thought that like some of the ice raids the way they're doing it where they're showing up at home Deepo and just getting hardworking Landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico Ed Calderon who's an expert in the cartels who was on the other day He was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two and they've been here for 18 years Like so now they're 20 and they don't speak Spanish But they're deporting them.

1:28:51Yeah, that's what that's my thing you can't believe believe you have to be able to fucking stand your ground on individual Topics otherwise you're saying no one voted for that. Yeah, I certainly didn't think that they were gonna do that if they said This is what we're gonna you know all those kids they were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America American and have American friends and American jobs. We're gonna send them to Mexico when they don't even speak the language. Yeah. Fuck you guys are evil. Yeah. Fuck you. Well, and then that what you're describing is literally the messages I get.

1:29:19You fucking idiot. This is what you fought for. Okay, I can tell you right now, Secretary Kennedy is fighting for the things that were hot button topics for me. He was. He is. That team is. And we are trying to over call overhaul our food system and all of these different aspects. He doesn't control the fucking EPA. Like, I don't control the, I can't control if Congress and don't get it wrong. It is Republicans and Democrats, but it's going to take both of them colluding to pass this bill that will give immunity to chemical companies. And one of the things I do want to point out, because again, line of sight in this, there's so many whackimoles and so much shit.

1:29:57Donald Trump probably doesn't know this. One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China. And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from China. But let's get into big chemical. Glyphosate, we have banned, I don't remember the name of the Chinese company, but several states have a ban have banned this major Chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on our food.

1:30:33Dirty little secret. What percentage of monstros chemicals do you think come from China? 100%. 100%. 100 % 100 % 100 % So if you have a concern about national security, maybe we should stop letting monstros fucking systematically spray our food with a bunch of Chinese chemicals. Well, not only that, when 94 % of Americans show glyphosate in their blood, maybe we've got a little bit of an issue. Well, this is like, take this Stephen Colbert approach. It's just a small number. It's a little amount. What are you worried about? Put all your faith in the experts. No. Well, even that, there is a solution, and I don't have all the answers, but we need to raise the questions.

1:31:24We gotta be able to have the discussions and where the solution is. We have to figure out whether it's possible to do regenerative agriculture through the entire country. Do you know that Putin is trying to do that with Russia? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Putin is banning use of industrial chemicals in agriculture and trying to move this whole country to regenerative farming. Well, so when I say, I learned from talking to this farmer. I'm not saying he's a good guy. Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great, but for his country in that regard like when you're a dictator One of the things that's got to be great is you have the ability to go all these people are fucking criminals Like look at they're doing oh they're fucking over the health of all my people They're making it for their own profit They're making everyone else unhealthy and then they're gaslighting everybody and then they're they're in bed with all these Fucking Congress people who they pay off because they they fund the reelection campaigns and they fund They're super packed.

1:32:20It's so powerful Joe. It's so much money. Can you pull up again? Sorry is could you pull up on the Waste World website? There's the Senate testimonies. It's big chemical. So where I was going earlier. So I'm so ADHD No, it's a one where I was going is if you're a good dictator, you go well fuck those people. Yeah, you can fix it Not the Putin's good dictator. You have to say. Yeah, I'm saying so one of the things I learned from a farmer and I don't know farming Obviously, I'm not, I'm a healthcare guy. I had a farmer tell me that 70 % of our glyphosate exposure is because of the dry harvesting.

1:32:54So it's in the last helm. We spray glyphosate apparently on the crops to dry them out faster so we can harvest them faster. But that's all in the last week. And if we didn't do that, we would reduce glyphosate exposure by 70%. So it's just, and we're not on the cusp of a population boom. Our fertility rates are plummeting. our populations declining, we're going to be headed towards a crisis. Elon's covered all of this. Jamie, there's one with... It's a video. It's a video. And it's... If you pull it up, let's see... Oh, because I want you to hear... That... The other one. The sun? Ah, shit. I don't know which one it is.

1:33:33I think it's... Organt... Yeah, it's... Click Organic Miss. It's either that one or the one next to it. Oh, yeah, that was... The Organic... Yeah, that one. If it'll play, this is a lobbyist for big chemical who testified here in Texas to kill the bill. And what he said, Food, then there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides. The truth is, industry is terrified that what will happen is American mothers will see those labels and realizing they're poisoning their children. You're using manure for organic foods. It has to be solely manure and that is the agent that creates dangers in organic foods.

1:34:14A bag of lace potato chips has a 50 % profit margin. I heard Mr. Beauty earlier say something in nature. I don't want the price of eggs to go up. Well guess what? Eggs have one ingredient. Eggs. There are more accounts of people dying from eating organic foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides. Okay. These are the people. Well, keep that going. What is the answer that? Yeah. That was it. Oh, that was the first thing that he said. Oh, I got it. More people are dying in your organic voice. That was his argument. Okay. First of all, look at him. That fella is filled with inflammation.

1:34:51Yeah. That fella. There's no way that dude is hiking up to the top of that. What I was going to say is this is where I was going earlier. This is so crazy. We, the land of misfit toys, couple of us fucking every average day, Joe's, Yeah, are going up against the American Heart Association HBs lobbying group, Bucky's lobbying group, Coca -Cola Pepsi, they brought the fucking heat. 31 to nothing. We got the vote through the Senate. 31 to nothing. And then they said, holy shit, these assholes are gonna pull this off in the state of Texas. They descended upon Texas with lobbyists out the ass. And I'm getting calls like, hey, can you come back to the Capitol?

1:35:32Can you come talk to congressmen and congresswomen? They're looking to kill the bill. They're gonna kill the bill. It was the highest level of fuckery. I had Senator Colhurst. I had Lacey Hoel, a representative calling and saying, they are pulling out all the stops. All the stops. And they are telling congressmen and congresswomen, you're gonna create food deserts. You're gonna starve minority communities. This is a race play. You're like, you name it. They're gonna starve, they don't have Coca -Cola. We ended up having to concede. And this is kind of it. It was a little bit of a smart move by Lacey and Senator Colhurst We put glyphosate naturopzene in the bill to be listed as one of the substances that is known to cause harm Okay It isn't a food ingredient so it was never gonna make it through on the bill It was literally a smoke screen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool But it also allowed us to see who's Against it and what politicians are gonna support big chemical and these mother fuckers came out in the droves and one of the main guys from freaking representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study.

1:36:41He said this shouldn't be a bill. This should just be a long term study. And then industry came in and said we should kill the bill at the state level and push it back to the feds. We agree with you. There needs to be reform, but let's push it back to the feds. And so, but what people don't understand is we got the bills done. We got three of these monumental bills done. And one of them require labels that disclose any band substances in the state of Texas now have to be put on the front of a label almost like a black box warning. So like, Rd 40, all that show. Any of the food dies, any of the added is what's not on there a big chemical because big chemical wasn't a food ingredient.

1:37:17And the lobby for big chemical is so powerful. And that's where I was going with this. They, I mean, it is crazy. The lobby that Monsanto and these companies have. and they're gonna do that at the federal level. And they're gonna try and get this exemption around all pesticides. And my rebuttal to that, and I said this on a call, is if I'm going to a bar and I'm not gonna fuck someone, there's no reason to carry a condom. So if you're not fucking me, why do you need the condom? If you're not fucking the American people, why do you need a condom? You're given a macondom, but they're telling us they're not gonna fuck us.

1:37:55Yeah, it's why. Why do you need this exemption? If your products not causing cancer, why do you need an exemption? Yeah. Exactly. If your, if your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption? It's yet another smoke screen from industry to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause. 100%. 100%. And I don't get it. Republicans, Democrats, they're all implicitly involved in this. We have to also understand that in a lot of countries, this stuff is banned. And it's banned for a very good reason. It's banned because we know it causes harm.

1:38:32Why in the greatest country in the world, do we ever have anyone that we allow to advocate for harm for profit? Just harm. It's not like this is the only way to grow food. People grow food all over the world, man. The idea that this is the only way to grow food is pretty insane, especially when we have examples. When we, but the thing is like scalability. I don't know of White Oak's pastures if you could scale that out and feed the world. I think we might have fucked up. I think we might have fucked up by jamming, you know, I don't know how many millions of people are in L .A. 20, what's the number?

1:39:08What's the real number? You know, what's the real number? No one knows. The ice rates had the fucking, the streets empty. So no one knows what the real number is, right? But just how many people do you have to feed? I think I said this earlier. Didn't I tell you that there was in they call them Monsanto papers or whatever and in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between the head of the EPA and Monsanto where he this individual says, if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal. I said, okay, I can't remember. Then there's the whole Coca -Cola aspect of it too. The point is in LA, no one's growing anything.

1:39:47Yeah, so there just all. So you have 20 million people jammed into an area where the only thing that's growing is weed This is the only thing that anyone's growing in LA imagine if you get people so excited about tomatoes and And oranges as you do about weed Yeah, you know, and everybody's like like my tomato or even what you talk about a bunch is hunting like so many people are out of touch with the reality Everybody takes to create food. No, I'm just saying right even where their food comes from well where the food comes from for sure So the problem what I was getting at is that I think we have set ourselves up where our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive.

1:40:29Like it gets that weird because if you get to numbers, right? If you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food, all right? So they need to get so somebody else they've they've you know, pushed off to someone else, the responsibility of acquiring food, all they have to do is give them currency to get that food. That is a new thing with human beings. This is a new thing. It's a new thing where we do that with enormous populations. And then, so what's the solution? The solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with anything. stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse, have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles.

1:41:12And then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've got thousand acres of corn. Like that never happens in the world. And all the animals and all the plants are supposed to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem and for profit you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn and then you subsidize the farmer so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything everything is including fucking salad dressing. You know and then you have kind of no the oil which is really just rapeseed oil and it's disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're pretending is hell heart healthy and like this is this is the system that we're in right now and most people what he you know there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy which I am bro science guy yeah that's I have a degree in bro science but this is all just real folks your fucking poisoned.

1:42:24And if you continue to eat that way, you're gonna be doomed. Your body's gonna fall apart. That's just a fact. We know it. We all know it. Process food diets are just, there's no one that can say they're good for you. They're bad for you. Here's the question. Do we have enough stakenness? Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally? Because right now we have ag gag laws where if someone like to say if you work at some slaughterhouse or some play You're not allowed to film the atrocity.

1:42:59I didn't know that yeah, there's laws Yeah, you will go to jail So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuff next to each other and Shitting through grates and then that you've ever seen I've seen that Yeah, if you film that and put it on TikTok This is where your bacon comes from you go to jail you go to jail I didn't know that yeah if they're doing if they're abusing the animals like there's videos of guys that working in slaughterhouse Like beating cows over the head and kicking them when they're down and slicing their throats lending them squarmer around those kind of videos You'll go to jail for filming them.

1:43:33Yeah No consequences for the people that are doing it Because here's the other dirty secret. It's just so short -sighted Here's the other dirty secret. Where do you think they get their employees from if you you're gonna run and Disgusting unethical immoral business. Who are you gonna hire? The first of all it's disgusting dirty work. No one else smells pig shit all day. Who are you gonna hire? Well, you're gonna hire people that snuck into the country because you don't have to have documents on them You don't have to pay them any kind of healthcare. You don't have to give them any kind of benefits You don't have to give them jack shit.

1:44:09So you benefit from keeping that fucking border wide open and these people that have publicly talked about this. We need the labor in this country because they're doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. We should really ask yourself, do we need those jobs? And do we need to be doing it the way that we're doing it where those jobs are in necessity? In 2025. Yeah. Or are we captive to an evil industry that cares more about money than it does about humans? Yeah. Which is demonic. Well, I think you see the history throughout all industry, you know, it's just, but it's like always a battle of good and evil.

1:44:49And that's where we have to understand, like don't lose faith. Like oh my God, the people suck, no, no, no, no, no. A small amount of people suck, and some of those people get power. And then they control massive amounts of people who mostly don't suck. Most people don't suck. Literally what you're saying is, and we've talked about this, but I swear to God, like when Denys came on to waste well to help me start this thing almost 10 years ago. Our conversation was, if we keep our moral compass, if we make this about people, this is a ten -god truth, man. This isn't, hey brother, I love you. You have to tell me.

1:45:25This is why you're on this. You're a really good person, like a genuinely good person. And I've seen you interact with fucking dozens of people that are my very good friends. I've seen you, I've talked to people that I knew, but that you maybe didn't know that I knew them independently. And they've told me they've had amazing experiences with you. You're a good guy. I know, and you're making good money. But your mindset is so on the money. Like do the best that you can for people. And all the other stuff will fall into place. Like the problem with corporations is that you can't function like that.

1:46:03You have an obligation to your stakeholders. So even if you're a good person, which I think most of those people are probably good people that have been co -opted. And then there's this diffusion of responsibility because you're a part of a gigantic corporation. Maybe I don't like what's going on. Maybe I don't like what we're doing, but hey, it gets hard. It gets hard. And do is affect what I do around me. Like when you're a defense lawyer and you're helping someone get off and you know he's a murderer. And you have to help. Yeah. Because this is your job. The guy stabbed his wife and you have to pretend he didn't.

1:46:30I can't even have empathy for that. because this is hard like even running this company. I'm under attack. I mean, we have 500 employees. I'm battling the FDA. I'm battling the state of Texas. We were worried about the DEA and it changing telemedicine law. But then you still have competition. And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies. There's other telemedicine companies. There's other telemedicine apps. There's other AI driven. And you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing and I disagree with it. And I've stowed my ground. And if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people.

1:47:05If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down 500 fucking people that believed in me, that took a leap of faith that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care. What I have seen when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago, now the first time we had this boom. We had only managed like 7 ,000 patients. I go on here and 20 ,000 people try to register in like a day and I'm like holy shit and people are like you guys suck and why can't you be in my state and I'm like because to get into your state is a lot more complicated. The way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no training in this disease state and that to me is no different than Big Pharma.

1:47:51If we're going to just push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine? That's not predictive preventative impersonalized. In the vision of this company was to be predictive preventative impersonalized. And I've had people try and buy us out. And I've had people offer to buy us out and I could take a payday, but I look at that and I go, we're barely scratching the surface. In the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is. I really believe that. It's just gonna be a money. I have no, you don't have to say any of what you just said, because I know that you would never do that.

1:48:24I know who you are. And to speak to the level of personalization you guys do I get vitamins that are personally adjusted to Whatever my blood work is and that's what I take now I take ways to well vitamins. I take eight of them. I just throw them out swallow them all at once Some people think that's gross. It's easy for me. I got a big one or nothing. Oh, I drink water How would you even do that? I could even swallow one without water I know people who will just swallow a bunch of pills. I can't do it. I have to sip water. They have no one. Oh man, Justin Rimm when he would take his vitamins, he would just throw like a whole handful in and just swallow them.

1:49:00No, why do you do that? No water? Yeah, I know he's a huge human, but Jesus. Yeah, that's Viking genes. So you're just eating mushrooms that way when they would go on berserker raids. But you know, that's all I have to take now. And I'm not going to get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at. I think I'm going to add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin, and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age -related macular degeneration. I think that, and the red light therapy has worked. I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my phone.

1:49:36Hell yeah, man. That's nuts. And GHK and BPC and STEM cells and all of these things have benefits in every one of those aspects. There was that study out of Europe. I think we covered it last time for degenerative eyesight loss in using red light therapy. Yeah, my eyesight is still not the best. Like if I put a pair of readers on, I can see better, but I have no problem reading. It's just like a little fuzzy, but not to the point where I can't read things anymore. But it was getting worse. It was getting significantly worse like every six to eight months I would notice a decline like fuck, man, I can't see shit anymore.

1:50:13and then I start wearing reading glasses. I've stopped that. So it's not just stopped in its tracks, but my eyesight has gotten better, which is, nobody thinks that's possible. Ask most ophthalmologists like, what, you're gonna take vitamins and you're gonna look sterile. Well, it makes sense because all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP. And an eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP. And as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are gonna go and begin to lose their functionality. And so if we can refuel ATP and maximize ATP, then we can optimize your chances at these degenerative things not occurring.

1:50:53And that's my whole point of these building blocks, peptide, stem cells, amnion, purified, all of it, PRP, you name it, all of these things are tools in the tool belt that aren't readily available or even talked about in traditional medicine, and it's not because your doctor or clinician's a bad guy or girl, it's because they're in an insurance model and insurance doesn't cover any of these things. Exactly. And that's the real problem in this country. Everything has been co -opted by businesses. And it's not the right path towards your health. And there is a path towards your health. And we have to fucking light the way.

1:51:32We have to say, hey, this road that we're on, do you know Goblin's built this road? Do you know this road leads to the fucking Goblin house? Yeah. Guys. I know we are around to the enchanted forest. Go this way. You know, another, your arm�tual friend, I asked him and his mom if I could talk about this. Jesse Michaels. So Jesse's dad is his older and he's suffering from dementia and they flew down here. I said, just get him down here. And again, it's very nuanced. We did a lot of things. He was here for three days. They're academics. He's Jesse's brilliant. You can tell that kid's brilliant, but his parents are brilliant too.

1:52:06They're psychologists. And so both his parents are psychologists and his dad's battling dementia and has had a cognitive decline. And they came in and his mom was a mega, mega skeptic. And on day three she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I got to think the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable. I love my team. They're the magic. They're the magic. It's a great place. It's very positive. Yeah, and she hugged us and cried and said last night. And this stuff makes me emotional because it's I believe it, man. I'm telling you I've seen it.

1:52:45I believe it. I'm a believer. You're never going to change my mind. I don't give a shit what these people are saying at the federal level. This stuff is life changing. And I've witnessed it. The domestic. Tears in her eyes hugged the team and said last night I had my husband back. If nothing else, what did you do? This is all we get out of this. We did stem cells. We did, he was there for the three day experiences, was like hyperbaric cellular therapy, peptides, hidden with everything but the kitchen sink. Like what we do with all these folks and we systematically red light, we did all of it. But he's here for a three day experience and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home, reduce inflammation, help with all of these different aspects.

1:53:30Hit him with GHK, hit him with BPC, He had him with stem cells, all of these different peptides and building blocks. Anyways, she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said, for the first time in a long time, I had my husband back last night. It was like the olden days. We talked, we laughed, we hugged. I had my husband back. And she said, if it's just that, if all I get out of this is that one night, thank you. Like thank you. And I talked to Jesse and he's like, my dad's doing the best he's done in months. I'm not saying that these things are gonna cure dementia. I'm not saying any of that.

1:54:06Dude, if I had dementia, and that happened, I would move to Austin. I'd be camped out right next to your fucking building. What time are you guys opening? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But so many people think there's no hope in people with obesity, like Jelly Roll. 500 pounds, man. And look at him. It's incredible. He's gone from walking to now he can run. Now he's playing pickup basketball. He carries that stupid rock. Yeah, I was so thinking dude. He went up to the top of Mount Pigscut. He was on a lift run shoot. He was amazing on it. He's such a sweet soul of a human being. He really is.

1:54:41He's the nicest guy. And he looks like a criminal. A foreign criminal. Fucking tattoos all over his face. Look so sketchy, but he's so sweet. Yeah, such a good dude. And the fact that he's gonna be on the cover of men's health in GQ now. That's incredible. It's incredible. Well, what he's done is super, super inspirational. And I hope it motivates other people like you can get the weight off. It doesn't have to be a GLP one. It doesn't have to be. And even those like this is where it's nuanced. Like I understand the backlash against GLP ones, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and, you know, IGF, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass.

1:55:27and we're quantifying it because we have a dexat, the clinic. So anybody who comes in, we run them through a dexat. Now we know their lean muscle mass, their body fat, and the goals to preserve muscle, because I would argue more important to getting the body fat off, and this is the pivot that I've tried to get jelly roll to and other folks, the fat's gonna come off. Let's focus on building muscle. If we can build muscle and help build leg strength and help put muscle on your frame, That is going to increase your metabolic burn rate that is going to put you in a better position for long -term health Don't make it all about the scale right make it about your body composition And how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle Minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat, but we don't want to give up a pound of muscle right keep all It's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on you don't want to lose that muscle Yeah, even with hormone optimization, it's a constant battle.

1:56:23You have to constantly be working. And if you don't, you're gonna get weak. And that this is not a good thing. It's not virtuous to be weak. And this is a problem with, you know, we were talking about masculinity earlier. Yeah. Hyper -awful masculinity is Vikings. Right? They show up in a boat that kill everybody. Like, yeah, you don't want that. Yeah, this is bit on Vikings. Oh, the gay Vikings. Yeah, well that's what they were to yeah, but I think everyone was gay back then I know you know when you read about the Spartans like hey, it was this unusual Is everybody gay anything you're like socrates?

1:57:00Oh, he was K. What the fuck was everybody gay? I think I think it was different back then I think the concept of gay and straight is a fairly new one. I think back then everybody just fucked everybody I'm sure it was wild times do Chimps like bonobos you ever watch the bonobos they have one rule the mom won't fuck the son That's it everybody's fucking everybody else is fucking everybody. Well, no it was chimpanzees in that was that But no those weren't bonobos. No, what was that? Yeah, yeah crazy. Yeah, bonobos are there are weird hippie like cousins I've heard you've been talking about Jesse's deal with the try back the triangles insane and then you say I know I think we talked about, if you watched the one on homo -ledi, that bipedal primate that buried the dead deep in caves, like, we don't know shit.

1:57:50We don't know anything about our history. Well, we're learning, but it's a scattered, it's not like, oh, we found the log book. We know what happened at every step of the way. No, we're finding like little pieces of evidence from a burnt down building. Like, what is this? Oh, this looks like, I think this is a lighter. Well, I know you may be very good Gary Nolan on to I haven't heard it yet, but I'm sure where's your head at now? Okay, because I know you got back forth back for something's going on. Yeah, but whatever this thing is going on First of all from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for Well Gary's here to talk about his cancer research.

1:58:28First of all, which is fascinating and then Amazing stuff like very interesting Then we started talking about how this was sort of an accidental introduction. Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft, supposedly, that crashed and said, could you analyze this and find out what this is? Someone in the CIA. Probably. I don't know. One of them, a piece, was brought to the art bell show. They said that it was from a crash from the 1940s. But this piece that had a direct chain of evidence, so people knew where it is from a crash from the 1960s in Brazil, it was made out of almost pure silica.

1:59:17But the magnesium, the ice -top ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing an equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years. I don't know what to say. Right, like this would be hyper difficult to make today. Not saying it's impossible. This way saying, like the odds of someone making that 1950, yeah, what are you talking about? And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically. And this is from 1970. Like this isn't possible today with human beings in 2025.

2:00:10No one's making that shit. There's not a fact, you would know. Someone would have heard about it. Unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada mountains that no one knows about that's doing some crazy super funded shit that they lied to Congress about, okay, maybe. But in 1970, were you doing that? Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we can't make today? That seems unlikely. So something's going on. Well, and you're your podcast with Representative Luna. I mean, I know she's on the political side, but I was listening to that and I'm like, to have a Congresswoman saying these things.

2:00:44And then even Tulsi came out. She was talking about Tulsi. And traditional beings. And I was like, what are you saying? You know, you know, I reached out to her to have her on the podcast? because she made a tweet about the description of angels. What angels looked like. She said, I didn't even say it. And I was like, well, I go, did you tweet this? And she goes, yeah. And I was like, we didn't wanna talk to me about this? We never even talked about it. We never even got into the conversation. But we got into aliens. And we got into, which, you know, I think that good and evil are real things.

2:01:19I think they're real things. And I think there is this very big struggle, both on a micro and a macro scale. I think internally there's a battle of good and evil. You know when you wanna do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing. And then you feel better because of it. There's this little weird, it's not like, it's impossible for you to go into evil. If the situation was that you were in another time and in another part of the world, in a horrific war and you had a rate of village, because everyone else is rating the village, and you have to kill everybody, because everybody else is killing everybody.

2:02:02That's a part of us. But there's a real struggle between thinking that, I wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else. And this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons. And you go, well, what are we really talking about? If these people were trying to write something down to represent a real event that took place, we're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel. We know how to fly in planes, we know how to fly to the stars and we know where this goes. We know where this goes. This goes to a better place where you get really good at it when then you come visit us, right?

2:02:50So we know that. But back then, they didn't know that. They didn't know anybody could fucking fly, right? So when they're experiencing angels who literally fly and devils and these fucking things that they find that like the Brazilian one from Virginia smells like sulfur. Yeah. Is that weird? That's what Dino's mostly smells. Those stories. Oh, those stories. And then he goes like that. And he smells like the book of Enoch, which I know isn't like technically. I'm reading that right now. I've got it on audiobook right now. He's getting to it every day. It's fucking bananas. It's the watchers. The watchers who came down from the sky.

2:03:33I gave knowledge to Enoch took him into space and gave him knowledge of agriculture and architecture and you're like, what? Also sorcery. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, which is probably technology. Yeah, yeah. It would be to people in that area. 100%. Dude, I think we're engineered. I think this is, I think we are in a stage of our society society where the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature. Like the growth of intelligence, the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on. I think this is why there's a lot of shock in some circles about the public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza.

2:04:27like almost like they can't understand it. Like you can understand, how is this possible? That someone's upset. You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 20, 25 human beings can behave where you can bomb women and children and any opposition to that is anti -Semitic. That's not flying today. You can't do that today because this is a world, so we are evolving, but we're not there yet. We're not at a place where we have no war. We're not at a place where there's no more murder. We're not at a place where you don't have to send the National Garden in Chicago, because there's 54 fucking shootings in a weekend.

2:05:04So if I was an alien civilization, I would wait. Yeah. I would do what we're doing right now. I almost viewed as a test. I've said this. I've said this recently. I don't remember who I was, but in my mind, I look at it as kind of like what Graham Hancock says. What if we reached a level of knowledge and sophistication, but there's a reset button? And I know the cataclysmic events and all those things and we know that happens. And we know what happens. I think every 70 ,000 years there's that it's historically going to happen. But separate from that, when we look at the cosmos and we say, once you have the ability to generate a certain, it'll reach a level two society.

2:05:44And you reach that level two society, then you can create enough energy to bend space and time. and in theory you could fold time and traverse the cosmos. Yeah. Okay. What if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe of the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technological advancement supersedes that or advances past it, right? Because right now, if you gave us infinite power, we're going to be fucking dead. Well, we can't have a real idea. Well, we're certainly in that situation when it comes to nuclear bombs.

2:06:19We have enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody over and yet we're still making them. Everybody on the planet, we can kill and we're still so stupid that we haven't pointed at each other. Right? So if I was an alien, I would wait. I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of spiritual connection, but that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go. You know, there's this very highly criticized video of Peter Teal, which is kind of funny. He anti -grace. No, no, no, that's another one. Poor guy. Also, it kind of like looks a little too shiny to be a regular person.

2:06:54He's a little too slippery looking. So that's reptilian. But he's a thoughtful person. When I was asking him any question on the podcast, he has these long pauses before he answers. Is a part of his speech pattern, part of his thinking? Well, the problem is he did that with the question of should the human race survive. Yeah, this guy, this guy was like, they should, right? So the guy was like pressing him, talking to him like he's a regular person. Instead of just letting this air out, letting you, you're gonna have, are you pressed for time? You got a fucking an hour and a half to talk to this guy.

2:07:31Let him talk. But this the problem is we are awesome and I love all the things that we do. I love how we create art and food and we create fun and comedy. We're fun with each other. I love human beings. I love our creative ability. I love all the things about us. But this is not the only way that a life form can exist. And the idea that we have to stay this forever, although I love us, seems kind of silly. But this is like going back to Australia, Pithicus and go, bro, fucking sticks and stones for life, bro. Fuck a house, okay, bro? I'm down with, no, that's ridiculous, that's crazy. And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet and it has come any where close to it.

2:08:28Like we're way out there. What's the next logical step? Well, abandon everything that ruins us. Yeah. So what ruins us? All this greed that we're talking about earlier, what has all this come from? This comes from famine thinking. This comes from tribal thinking. Us versus them. This comes from trying to acquire resources because you want to stay alive. All those things have been hijacked. All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetize and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter. It's crazy. When it back to psychedelics, when you do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go, there is no me.

2:09:10Like there's us, we're in this together. And every time I think I'm trying to be a good person, there's never a dime I've done a big dose of psychedelics and not thought about something I didn't mean in third grade or like course. I got to be better. I have to be more patient. I can't lose my temper. Oh, man. I really wish I wouldn't have lost my temper over X Yeah, that's the benefit of way more empathetic on this I was selfish and I was busy and I was stressed and I ignored this person's cry for help This is my point. I think we're that we're that close to not ever having to think about those things again I think we're that close I think we're that close to transcending what it means to be a human being and I don't know if it's good Yeah, I don't know if it's good.

2:09:52You're saying good technology. Yeah, cuz What we're getting, what we're getting with humans is the blues. We're getting Charlie Crockett, we're getting Sturgel Simpson, we're getting it with humans, we're getting beauty, we're getting amazing voices, we're getting paintings that make you go fuck, we're getting muscle cars like, dude, look at this thing, we're getting, with humans, we're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting Gaza. We're also getting Ukraine, we're also getting the fucking, the bankings, the housing scandal from 2008 that collapse. We're getting evil shit. We're getting demons.

2:10:29We're getting, you know, the fucking, we could go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running around in our education system. All of this is because human beings are capable of deceit. All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes. And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue because because a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious. Because I do like pulling into peterries and ordering a double bacon cheeseburger on a boat.

2:11:15It doesn't mean that this is the only way to go. and I think we have to abandon that, just like you have to ban the idea of not having a cell phone anymore. There's gonna be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way. And I think it's going to be mind -to -mind, and I think it's gonna be through this interface, and it gets really challenging. It's gonna get really challenging as to, how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled? Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech?

2:11:53You cannot allow that we've shown that they're terrible with censorship. We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding, with corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well -being and they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots. And so we know that that exists right now and if we have that controlling the mind literal the hive mind of the world That's not good. So it's gonna have to be Understanding I want to make sure I we did because we don't have telepathy yet I want to make sure I'm understanding I think I am like I look at chat GPT or any of these large language models And they're a tremendous resource and that is now the new Google and that is where you research and get a lot of information and fact check things And right now you type it in a phone and you wait, you get an answer.

2:12:43In the future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink or one of these companies implants something and you're merged with that. So you think like the matrix, I know Kung Fu. I know Kung Fu. I know Kung Fu. 100%. And you just downloaded you Jitsu app and now you know Jiu Jitsu. And universal language, universal telepathic language. I think that's on the agenda. And you once talked about that. Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English and in their language and then translates theirs to English.

2:13:14Yeah, yeah. It literally there. It's just a freaking ear piece though. Yeah. And it's in your ear and imagine when that's just in your head and you're not even using words, you're just sharing an emotion. How about we abandon all languages except a new one, the whole world? Yeah. I mean, that's probably the tower of Babel, dude. That's probably how it went down. the Z, when I read like these things like the book of Enoch or like you even, if you try, there's like the Ezekiel story. I'm always like, what are they trying to say? Someone was trying to write something down to dismiss it today as just fairy tales and that's cute.

2:13:54I love how you're really smart and you're better than everybody else. That's great because that's part of the thing of being an atheist. Like I'm smarter. Yeah. These are fairy tales like okay, like I don't really believe a guy came back from the dead, but What were they trying to talk about like what what is who was that guy? I don't like people who have that definitive you can't be that right being atheist is just as arrogant as saying my Where was the saying like there's 900 something religions and if you're a Christian and you say all 899 or wrong right being an atheist is even more arrogant you're literally saying everything's wrong and there's nothing like I just I think you just gotta be something.

2:14:32I think there is something, but I think you also have to look at it through the lens of human beings. Cause unfortunately, we are a dirty filter. And if you run the truth through us, the truth is gonna get contaminated. If you have like, poor, like if you pour pure tequila through a filter that has cat shit in it, you're gonna get cat shit in your drink. That's just how it works. Oh, it always, yes. So if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down, right? And then it gets written down in one language, it gets translated into another language, and then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back like what year was it where they took the book of Inak out of the cannon, right?

2:15:16They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Kumran people. Those are the ones who believed in Inak. Well, fuck those people. Those guys are assholes. Let's take, let's get it out. So that one story that throws the whole, they had to teach that in the Bible today. And if you went to Sunday church, and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans, and providing sorcery and metallurgy, and teaching them agriculture, you're like, what are you saying? Like what happened instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling, because there's no human beings historically, Like even if you're a Muslim, some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people like, hey, this is kind of crazy, you married a nine year old.

2:16:01Hey, this is kind of crazy. Like, what do you, like, he's a warlord? Hey, this is kind of crazy. Like, with Jesus Christ, it's very weird. Like, you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos, where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross. Yeah. And then this guy decides he wants to die that way. And this is everybody's story that interacts with them. Nobody's like, oh, I knew Jesus. He was a con. The guy was a piece of shit. Let me tell you what he fucked my sister, dude. I told him, just don't fuck myself. Like, no, there's no stories like that.

2:16:35It's weird. The story is weird. The story of this guy who tells you universal truths that apply today. You know, treat everyone as if they are you. Yeah. And that he figured this out two thousand years ago. I want to know who that guy was like what was going on with that guy Was that guy like the ultimate mushroom eater of all time that he figured all out back then and was he teaching these people that or Was he an extra terrestrial? Was he what we think of as the son of God because he literally is born from another life form and brought down to earth to try to help our advancement? It's all fascinating.

2:17:13It is very fascinating because and anybody who's Christian like that's bullshit and blasphemy and you don't know the canon, you're right. But you got to throw the human being filter into the equation always. Look, there's some things about the human being filter that are really fascinating. Like, one of the things that Wes Hough told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed, when When they translated, they found out it is 1 ,000 years older than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it and their identical verbatim, word for word.

2:17:57So that's where it gets crazy, right? So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there, or get that book of V knockout of there, there's a few, we're humans. The human cat shit filter gets in the way and you get human Interaction with this and then you lose some of the story like fuck. What was the story though? Yeah, this is my take on all of it there was something that happened man and We have this urge to deny that this something might have been some Higher intelligence from somewhere else manipulating human genes.

2:18:40But we do it. I went to see the Direwolves last month. How is that? Insane, insane. They're the same ones that are gonna bring back the woolly mammoth, right? Yes. I went to see the fucking game of thrones, Direwolves. They are so clearly not regular wolves. It is why. There's always people that are saying like, Boo -low, technically speaking, according to my academy, this is not a real dire wolf. You've just manipulated a great wolf. You've just manipulated traits of the dire wolf in a dire wolf. You're correct. However, tell it to the dire wolf. That thing thinks this is dire wolf. It looks like a dire wolf.

2:19:21It's gonna be hateous to be having like a dire wolf. My point is we do that. We fuck with jeans of animals all the time. Well, you're not talking about, look at our own jeans. We'll get our genetic growth of our brain and we try to go back and say it's because we went to hunter gatherers and all of a sudden we burned meat and then because we burned meat our GI tract shrunk and our GI tract shrunk and a protein was absorbed in our brains we're able to grow. It still doesn't really account for how much our intelligence jumped and our brain capacity jumped. Over just a small amount of time historically when you compare all the other animals on the planet, no other animal experience, anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size.

2:20:02But we were already pretty fucking clever, pretty clever monkeys. You know, monkeys have a little languages they tell each other when hawks are nearby, they scream. You know, they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit. They'll yell out that there's an eagle and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle and then that monkey runs and gets the fruit. Yeah. So they have a language, they have deception, their clever little fuckers, but they ain't shit compared to us. You know, you go from monkey to Elon Musk and you're like, what happened? Yeah.

2:20:35What happened? Yeah. Show me what you did. How'd you get here? How'd you get here? There's no one has an answer. You say, oh, it's natural selection, it's random mutation. Like, hmm, maybe. Or maybe that book of Enoch's trying to tell you something. There's so much stuff. Ezekiel's trying to tell you something. Maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky and you can even understand what he's seeing. How come so many people have these, just because I haven't had that experience? Doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and over. And there might be a reason why I haven't had that experience.

2:21:11First of all, I have to be big of a platform and a big fucking mouth. And I'd probably ruin the whole party, but I wouldn't even, because no one would believe me. It would just be one more thing that you ridicule. And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you got to want like What if they're telling the truth did Gary get into Because they get go back to like the telepathy tapes and the the story with these autistic nonverbal autistic children I just think about that though before we go any further Osperlment who's a mentalist he's very critical of that stuff and he showed me what they're doing and one of the things that he said He goes no no these women are touching their sons while their sons are like moving the the the words around they're assisting, they're helping them.

2:21:54He goes, if a mental, he goes a scientist might not be able to see what they're doing, he goes but a mentalist most certainly can. An ausperman is fucking amazing at that shit. I mean, he did some tricks where I figured out how he did it, Jamie actually figured one of the things that he did out afterwards. I need to tell anybody. Yeah, we don't need to tell anybody. We don't need to tell anybody. I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey was doing all this crazy, fucking amazing magician, illusion shit, and Jamie's. like fucking call him out on every thing he could figure out. Well, Jamie's a little bit of a stuff.

2:22:25But I'll let you tell you something though. Me and Jamie, when we watched David Blaine, we were like, what the fuck did he do? Like, what did he do? How did he do that? He was showing us cartrix off camera to my young daughter at the time. We were baffled. Jamie was watching him, his sleeves were rolled up. We're like, what did he do? Like, we watched it over and over and over again. I don't know how the fuck he did it. It was weird. He's weirdly good at that shit. like weirdly good. Yeah. Where it's quite a mind -fuck. But so Oz Perlman's, but he's not doing real magic. He's not a real sorcerer, right?

2:23:00This is the point. There's tricks. And Oz was like, you should not account for any of that evidence that they're showing you. He goes, this is all like, there's a nonverbal communication between the mother and the son. But it involves touching. It involves like pointing and signaling. It's not as simple as the kid just figured it out. And then he showed us a video of it and we're like, oh, I thought it was like The kid was in another room. No one was around them. They gave him the iPad He knew what to write down because it was in his head because his mom had seen it. It's not that simple So maybe there's some that he's Dismissing that you can't dismiss.

2:23:38Never Gary. Do he breaks down a certain brain anomaly that seems to be consistent with UAP Experiences did he get into that? No, he did not He's done like these brain scans and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability and every single one of them Have this brain anomaly and his thing is is the brain anomaly and antenna that makes you more Receptive or able to pick up on these things or did The encounter itself create the anomaly Oh, well you got to do a double blind placebo control test and have some kid wander through the desert for a couple of months Hopefully get abducted, but that's the other thing.

2:24:19They're not abducting They're you know, they're doing whatever the fuck they want to do They don't really care about your agenda if they are a real thing You know, and I don't know that they are I don't know that these aren't just psychotic dreams that people have I don't know because dreams are very realistic and dreams are often uniform like a lot of people have dreams of falling a lot of people have dreams of breathing underwater. Does that mean you're really breathing underwater? I was gonna logically say, there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos. And if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then there's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time.

2:25:03And with a big enough head start, You have the, if you don't destroy yourself, but what if they catch is if you don't destroy yourself and what if the test is Do does your society reach a level of consciousness that is non -destructive Before you become an off -planet species. Well my fear is the only way to do that is through technology My fear is that the only way to do that is to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now artificial general superintelligence, and that we are going to either have to merge or perish, and that we're going to choose to merge. And one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love, that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior.

2:25:50All those things are have to go bye -bye. That's my fear. That's why the Grey aliens all look uniform. They look all the same and they don't use their lips. They talk with their minds and that's probably the future of the human race. That's probably why it's there. When you see that iconic image from Close Encounters of the Third Coy - there's something about that that makes sense, right? Because that goes, oh, I guess that's where we're going. Because it seems like where we're going. If we go from, you know, ancient homadids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding, you know, whether or not trans fucking activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed.

2:26:38Like, you know what I mean? Like that's where, well, where's it going after that? What's, I think that's part of what's going on with like this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems, killing everybody's endocrine system, significant drop into testosterone for the 1970s, significant increase in miscarriages. Like we're becoming non -biological sexual entities. We're really becoming demolition, man. Do you remember the movie, Demolition Man? Yeah. We were criticizing women in the end. Yeah, and at the time, it's like greetings and salutations.

2:27:11Yeah. Like nobody has violence or anything. We're criticizing normal femininity, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are We're celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which is CEOs. We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly. We're celebrating men becoming feminists. We're celebrating men who are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that shithead was wearing. And it's like, he was posing with that outfit on, like looking me on free. This is how I behave. And I want HEPB shots for all the babies. Oh my God. We're a society that's lost its fucking way. Clearly, we've lost our way.

2:27:57And what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over your head. And everybody's locked in. And everybody's together in this. But who's gonna control that fucking thing? It has to be decentralized. It has to be literally connected to some sort of a hive mind blockchain. It's the only way it's gonna work. It's never gonna work if you have a corporation like Google or Meta or any other corporation that has censorship. Like even these chat bots, ask chat bots about like racial statistics for homicides and things like that. They don't want to profile. They don't want to do that.

2:28:34They don't want to give you answers on things like that that are really inconvenient and that people don't like. You saw that crazy fucking software that is Rayleigh counter surveillance software. They just launched last week after that shooting. That's just pretty scary, man. What are you talking about? There's a software that they're launching that tracks all the tweets and it's tracking everything that's a messaging and DMing. The way I understand it and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it as a good thing. But I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority reports.

2:29:05So every chat room, if you're saying something that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere on the internet or in Instagram or in a private chat, supposedly this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat. And oh my god, I'm like, then what the fuck are we headed towards? It's going to be like the statistical algorithm says that you have a 70 % chance of committing a violent crime today. You're arrested. And again, who's in control of that? The slippery guy. The guy with like, you know what I mean?

2:29:43Like Peter Teal's a part of all that. But this is not a knock on Peter Teal. No human should have the ability to have access to that information and decide who gets it and who doesn't. No human should be able to decide whether or not you can connect to the hive mind of the entire human race and use a telepathic language. Israeli military creating chat GPT -like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data. And they're supposedly going to roll this out here. Is that what they're talking about? I don't think it's palatir because what I heard is an Israeli back software system. Well, we should be real clear then because I feel like I was talking about Palantir earlier and we're going to get sued.

2:30:24So this is a different thing. Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tool similar to chat GPD that it hopes will transform its spying capabilities. Wow. Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chatbot like tool capable of answering questions about people. It is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects. So that's what it's doing. And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're going to start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us against potential threats.

2:31:12And I was like, that's shit's not good. That sounds terrifying. And I guarantee you they're not going to say a people about SSR rise. How about that? It brings it all back to this connection. I bet they won't bring that part up. Yeah. Nope. So you got all your surveillance. Did you notice anything? Did you guys notice anything? You noticed that? Okay, drop administration's silently employing volunteer to gather personal data of each American raising privacy data misuse concerns. So this is a different thing. So what is it doing? So this is totally different than the Israeli thing, right? Okay.

2:31:46Yeah. Okay. I guess I got a mix. No worries, but they're both kind of creepy. Gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data. So what is it doing? How is it doing this? I don't know if it's not good. Does it say? It's not gonna tell you how it's done. Doesn't say how it works. No. Capabilities, data organization, and analysis could potentially enable the merging of information various agencies there by creating detailed profiles of American citizens. The Trump administration, but profiles curated by who, right?

2:32:19It says citizen data from the government, including bank accounts. Go back to that. Did you see that? It says bank accounts. Oh, God. Where was it? Guys, guys, guys. Okay, this is a bill. Who signed off on this? Is this already implemented? I would say, okay, access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims and disability status. Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham. You might have to come knock on your door. We don't like your tweets. Oh, by the way, Graham Linahan, the guy who was on the podcast, he got arrested when he went back to the UK.

2:32:56Okay. The guy who was on the podcast who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly, went back to the UK and they arrested him. They met armed police, met him at the airport and arrested him for tweets, for three tweets. If you go to my my Twitter, I retweeted it. I retweeted the story Will you go to that that scary cuz that we were headed that way. Oh one fucking head of that Yeah, 100 % and we still could be you know, and we still could be and when people say oh you voted for fascism No, I I don't think anybody should be in control of this country.

2:33:43Okay any one person but believe me I don't I don't think anybody's good at it but I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes like using auto pen to sign off on all kinds of executive orders that he didn't even fucking know what the details of where which is explain we had that conversation with Mike Johnson and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was. I'm not in favor of keeping that that's all it is folks and I am in favor of RF Kennedy And I think a lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms, bring back American jobs are positive.

2:34:25Yeah. I don't like the coin. I don't like the job. I think that's fucking crazy. That's a crazy move. But is it illegal? I don't know. Are they all corrupt? I think they are. Graham Linnahen has been arrested at Heathrow by five police, five armed police officers. His crime was these three posts. Look at these three posts. So click on it and we'll get to see. This is what he says is if a trans identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. Comedy writer, also his opinion. Can't have that in the UK.

2:35:06So this one says, a photo you can smell, and it's all these people that are protesting, I don't know what the context of this is. The other one is, I hate them, misogynists and homophobes, fuck them. So these three tweets are a problem. So the idea of misogynists and homophobes, you go, wait a minute, no, no, no. These are people that are LBDQ2 plus, I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic because it's saying, you're not gay, you're a woman. and you're attracted to man but you're a woman. Well, if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay and there's data to show that.

2:35:48So a lot of gay people, including Tim Dylan, think of this movement as being homophobic. I know that's so counterintuitive for other people. The idea of it being misogynistic, well how's a misogynistic? Well, what better way to harm women and then to allow male predators to just tell you they're a woman. I'm not a wolf, I'm a grandma put on the bonnet and now you're in the chicken coop. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And to say that you're protecting women, including trans women, it's like, that's a new thing. That's a new thing that you invented without taking into account perverts. You didn't take them into account at all.

2:36:30You didn't take into account sex offenders and psychopass and mentally ill people, you just said all trans women are women. Well, you just opened up the door and gave a fucking free pass to psychos to wear a dress. And if you don't wanna admit that, that's misogynistic because you're not really protecting women, because you think you might protect, well, if we have to protect all women, because trans women are women. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's a man. That's a man and you're using women. It's worth using the whole world to make with your mouth to distort biological reality. And the guys is that if you don't do that, you're non -emphathetic.

2:37:13Well that's crazy, don't you? That's crazy. And so that tweet is correct. While being a concurred... Did he have to stay in jail or they let him go? Bro, I don't know man, but he had to go to the hospital because his blood pressure spiked. He went fucking crazy. He's a good guy man. He's a sweetheart of a guy and was super successful in the UK. And he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans identified, a lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues. And there've also been people that have been fucked over by this system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans.

2:37:51And they wanted to cut their hair off. They have all this hair. They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of like like showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman. It's such a weird topic because it's such a small percentage of society, but it occupies so much bandwidth. But this is in the public forums. I think this is pure evidence that our interactions are being co -opted. And it's a great evidence that a lot, this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Besmanov talked about in the 1980s where they were talking about demoralization.

2:38:26that the goal wasn't the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins. That was not the goal. The goal is to make people lose faith in all of these institutions. Lose faith completely. Demoralize them. Demoralize them. Keep them at each other's back. Convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and They're not seasoned, they just keep them at each other's throats. That's why this thing is becomes, but the problem is then kids get caught up in it because it becomes a part of the zeitgeist.

2:39:03It becomes a part of the culture. Kids wear bell bottoms, kids do this. I'm non -binary, like they just jump in. They jump in because they wanna be a part of a group. They jump in because they wanna be noticed. And then they get rewarded. You're amazing, you're amazing. Now whenever told, they're amazing before, next thing you know, they're getting hormones. Next thing you know, they're on this road. and maybe they were autistic and maybe they just weird with social interactions. And you're getting, you're tricking kids. That's a part of this. It doesn't mean that they're having historically been people that feel like they're in the wrong body.

2:39:35I'm sure there have been. That is not this. This is a giant thing that's happening. And I think it's being manipulated. And I think a lot of it is, it's social -medium manipulation where a bunch of these people aren't even real people and they're the most vocal and the most outrageous about it and they're organized. You go to these rallies. Why does everybody have the same sign? Where did you get your sign? Who made these signs? Why are they so good? Who's the sign guy? I do know all the counterintelligence stuff is that you know China and a lot of these nations play the long game right there in the 20 year run.

2:40:10It's not they're not trying to do your run. What's the best way to do that? Demoralize America. What's the best way to do that? Pay off all these fucking doctors to prescribe as much medication as possible. We have a lot of money in the pharmaceutical drug companies. Anyway, this way we profit. Let's keep the ball rolling. Pay off all these politicians. Let's just be as demonic as possible and try to ruin this amazing experiment in self -democracy. Scary. Yeah. It's a battle. This amazing experiment in self -government that's really never been tried before, like we're doing it. It's a new thing, you know, and this new thing also coincides with this other new thing and this other new thing is the internet and the internet is awesome and scary And it's being used by scumbags and brilliant people everyone is all swimming around in this sea of ideas and At least according to some people 80 % of it is bots.

2:41:07That far it's nuts. That's not forced. Well, and then with large language model, I keep saying chat. With any large language model, I mean, man, when you interact with them, it even shows up on my feeds. I see, you know, they know how to target us. They know like everything. They know what I'm counting about you. I'm sure. And it's like, now I'm, I showed Amanda video the other day and she's like, oh, that's AI. And I had to do like a double take. So it's kind of like half paying attention, but it was 100 % all AI generated. I'm like, damn, man. Yeah. Like what are we gonna do in another 18 months?

2:41:40Like you're not gonna know what's real. You're not gonna have any idea. I see them doing ads for you all the fucking time shows up on my feed. I know. You, Huberman. I can people call me. And the only time I was pulled shit is because it's, I know you're not advertising for that. I know Huberman's not advertising for that. And I'm like, I don't even know how they can legally get away with it. I mean, I think they get hammered. We go after them and we have them take them down, but they sometimes they don't listen. and they do one of our podcast. It showed up on YouTube. It was one of our podcasts.

2:42:09I don't even remember what you were saying, but it was you breaking down something to do with waste well and how it's helped you, but it wasn't waste well. They plug in their product. Of course. And I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers, man. They do it with everything. They do it with some sleep, afternoon, mouthpiece. They do it with all kinds of shit, man. They just, this, like people, different rappers will have me saying that they're the best rapper ever. And they put it up on TikTok to try to get some cloud. It's wild, man. We're in a wild time, but again, we're experiencing great change and it doesn't go easy and that's why there's so much chaos.

2:42:48But you can't lose your humanity in all of this, folks. This is the trap and this is the trap that's being accentuated by social media. this tribal trap of thinking that the other side is evil and to combat them you have to be evil and you have to be super mean and shitty because it's justified because those people are fascists or those people are Nazis like that's trap it's all trap. I can tell you 100 % industry I witnessed it when I testified at the federal and the state level industry is attempting to separate and divide us to turn things into issues that aren't anywhere related. This is about racism.

2:43:31This is about sexism. This is all -apploy to divide and conquer because if we're fighting each other, we're not united and we can't fight industry. But the real evil empire is all these people who own the strings and ramrodding agendas that are killing millions of Americans every year. Yes. And they're doing it for profit. and that is probably in the Bible. That's probably demonic. I mean, that the idea of what demonic thoughts are, what are evil thoughts. I think there's this constant battle because that's the only way you get better. That's what I think. I think on a macro level, like when you're just thinking about life, right, how do you get strong?

2:44:14You get strong by working out. So you have to push yourself to show your weak. like you can't do another push up and that's how you get strong at doing push -ups. It's the only way. The only way to get really good is to combat evil. You don't just get good. Like there's no reason to be good. Like it doesn't matter. Like everybody's good. Everybody's fine. Life is boring as fuck. You have to have some evil and you have evil so that you realize that good is so much better. It's a so much better choice. But the choice is not just in like on a societal level, the choices you on an individual, and there's moments in your life where you can decide whether you're going to be evil or you're going to be good, or maybe you decide like, hey, what I did, I don't like, I feel evil, I feel like I shouldn't have done that.

2:45:00And then you have to realize that that's a part of growth. It's a battle. And this battle is what we're experiencing right now, but my fear is that there's a lot of us that are unaware of the actual full impact of all of these other factors that aren't really people, these bots and corporations and propaganda and how they're like that fat guy arguing with you on that video. That's a gaslighting motherfucker. Like I don't listen to you if you look like that if you're telling me about health. Yeah. Period. Like get someone who looks like Hubertman. Yeah. Get someone who looks like he can fight the UFC tomorrow.

2:45:45Yeah. Right? That I'll listen to that guy. Cause he's fucking. Yeah, it's like you don't eat a hell from a skinny chef. Yeah. Exactly. I think people say it's like if you have an obese doctor who's not taking care of themselves, it's not an attack on obesity. It's hard for me to trust your decision making. Hold on though. Philip Franklin Lee's thin. and then he's one of the best fucking chefs alive. That's true. So it broke the mold. He broke that mold. But he had to get them. He got to get help. We helped them. I know you do. We helped them lose his shit right away. I think he's lost 20 pounds, but then also we uncovered a bunch of toxins in his system.

2:46:19He posted about it the other day. And he's like, this is from when I started to now. And you can see it in his blood work. All of these different contaminants are now at like physiological normal levels where they were at spiked levels before. Like microplastics is one of them. Yeah, microplastics are a big one. And the problem is it goes into your brain. Do you know most people have like a plastic fork, like a fucking picnic fork, sized amount of microplastics? What are we, five percent of our brain by weight is microplastics. That's insane. Yeah, we're like, what's causing depression? I don't know, it could be this or this or this or this.

2:46:55So this goes back to what I was saying is gonna happen to us. If I was, I mean, obviously I gotta say it, But I've already said it, but I just gotta say it so you know I'm not Peter teal. I love us. I love humans I love Peter too. He's a nice guy My interactions with him. Yeah, man. I don't know if he's evil. I don't think he is I think all of these factors that are destroying our end to consist of making us less sexual all these Confusions society and culture and chaos and war all that is leading us to this leap that the only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend and you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now.

2:47:41This Manhattan project that's going on right now between open AI and GROC and then they're fucking sabotaging each other and stealing data. Do you hear about that guy that left GROC and he downloaded the entire a GROC database and then fucking sold it to chat GPT. No. Find that. So yeah. Wait, can we pause for a second? You got a P? Yeah, I've been holding it. I've been chugging water. Okay, go ahead, go ahead P and come back. We'll find that. Hi. The sweet relief of P. But so that's what I think is happening to us. I think we're becoming some new thing. And I think it's gonna happen way quicker than we'd like it to be.

2:48:20While no engineer sold GROC to open AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing GROC secrets before leaving XAI to join open AI. So Elon tweeted that he downloaded XAI, accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for GROC shortly before and after his resignation. Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to open AI servers. So there's doing that. And then also, I think open AI had a situation when they believe that Chinese, some Chinese scientists had access to their data.

2:49:10Like something happened where there was some sort of a breach of security and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the stuff that they're doing. So, see if you can find that story. Because I just butchered that. All of the AI's there. But they're, of course, doing that. Of course, they're doing that. Why would they not do that? If they've done that with everything else, why would they not do that? Open AI takes down chat GPT accounts linked to state -backed hacking and disinformation. State -backed threat actors from a handful of countries are now using chat GPT for elicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns.

2:49:46Open AI said this week, Jesus Christ. Of course, of course they're using chat GPT to scam people. Of course. I just look at all the ways it's gonna impact society from the jobs and everything. We're gonna live in the craziest of times. Go back to that. Look at that, stirring the social media pot. Open AI said it banned dozens of accounts that saw using chat GPT to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a covert influence campaign or operation. Many of the China -based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of USAID, various sides of divisive topics within US political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, I'll say that name, who is publicly criticized China's investments in Balochistan.

2:50:45Would you even, if I ever thought that was a real country? That seems like - A lot of stone. That sounds like something that Game of Thrones got right down here. The accounts thought to create social media comments and English, Chinese, and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other social media platforms. Yeah, this is the point. Like this, we know that this has been going on, right? We know that China has AI, Russia has AI, we have competing for, there's meta AI, There's Google Gemini, there's a GROC with XAI, there's ChatGPT, which is open AI. There's a ton of them.

2:51:23There's perplexity. There's a whole bunch of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God. Well, and so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity in the direction we're headed AI in that component and there's that technological component. but there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR. Yes. And the direction we're headed, and we can now edit your genes. And I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change. So essentially we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create a clone, and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain.

2:52:02And we can now edit in roughly 20 points of IQ. So through CRISPR, you can edit somebody's intelligence by 20 IQ points. That's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein. Now, what if you do that three, four, five generations down? You're being so kind to Arnold Schwarzenegger. You would be able to create super humans. I don't know. But that's what it said in the gene editing. I don't remember which gene. Is Arnold the genius? No, no, the difference, the big 20. Trump, though, is just 20 IQ points to be Albert Einstein. Right. But what's Albert at? I don't even know. This is in Hacking Darwin.

2:52:39the book hacking Darwin explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to Essentially and China's already doing us 100 % already do it. I was jail He said whoops. I didn't mean to do that and they're in the Nucculated kids from super intelligent humans. They were saying they were inoculating them from HIV Like who's getting HIV? Shut the fuck up bitch. Yeah, and they just accidentally got smarter Yeah, yeah, and so then the problem becomes go back to like ADHD and schools and stuff in the 80s when everyone starts creating creating little superhumans and everyone's gonna look back, almost back to demolition man, what we're talking about.

2:53:16You create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life and minimizing chronic disease. But we just add a little spice here. We can make them twice as smart, of course. And then everyone's gonna do that. Of course. And then, and if you don't, China does. Russia does. So they're where America have to do. We have to counter punch. Well, the thing is they're probably already doing it. And the thing, like China's so advanced with so many different technologies right now, that most people are just not aware.

2:53:52They're not aware. And someone was describing that about how, God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was talking about how essentially what goes on in China is say if they want to get into solar panels, if like they start producing solar panels. The government will get involved and say, we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels. And then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company and only the best ones are going to survive. And it's all funded by the kind of idea. It's a very smart idea. And through that, they've developed the best drones, definitely the best electric cars.

2:54:33At a nowhere, China has the best electric cars. Like, buy a mile. Like, buy a country mile, dude. There's nothing even in America. Even if you have like one of those... But we got the best American muscle cars. We definitely do. But that's a different thing, right? But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us. So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI, while we're all battling it out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there. And if they really did steal all the chat GPT database, did they, did China have access to chat GPT to open AI's database?

2:55:16Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach? My typed in breach and with those words, that's what came up as what I showed you. So something else, a different story would be a different story. I was reading too that China is beating us in the arms race of energy infrastructure to be able to actually implement this level of AI. Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that. While they're making fucking chill -oats of coal factories in China, they're playing this multi -level game and they're using all of our cultural hot spots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this, that, and prayer and schools.

2:56:02And you think it's organic, you think people are really fighting in the street for all these things, but it's not. It's other countries want us doing this, including our own country. One of the wild things that Representative Luna said when she was here, one of the wild things she said, there's a lot of problems they don't want to solve so that they could fundraise against them. Wow. And I was like, that is so dark and I believe it. I never thought about it that way, but I believe it. It makes sense. I think marijuana legalization is one of those. I think it's one of those. I think there's a few of those things out there that, you know, it's dark, but I think it's true.

2:56:48I think they don't want solutions. They want to keep their jobs. The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of healthcare and compounding how much AI is going to impact, work place and infrastructure and just reality. At our pharmacy, we have almost 300 people and we were looking at this software. I needed to expand and hire more people. I needed 200 people. We can't hire fast enough. And I'm looking at this and we're going, if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go higher 200 people. And then we just get to promote the people who are already with us.

2:57:29But at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all of our jobs? Like all of our jobs. And it will. Even in his own blog, he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that that this is going to replace almost all jobs in America everywhere in the world. Who's that dude is a diary of a CEO host? You know that guy? Yeah, I know who you're talking about. I don't know his name, but that's the same guy. The British guy. Yeah. No, no, no.

2:58:02And candidly, it does it better. Steven Bartlett. So he was having a conversation with someone where he was saying that one of his friends, He knows someone who's like a AI guy and privately he talks very different than he does publicly and publicly he's talking about all it's gonna be amazing, you know, it's gonna be better and but in private He's like this is gonna be crazy and no one's ready for it and that's what I think I think in the humanoid robots you watching all that yeah evolving quick that's gonna be interesting But I think that's a side project that's like like it's a distraction.

2:58:43The real thing is gonna be non -physical. The real thing is gonna be this bizarre connection that we have to this ultimate intelligence is gonna be pumps right into your dome. You're not gonna wanna fuck that robot when you're literally plugged into the matrix. Like the physical sex robot that everybody dreams of, there's gonna be a few losers living the hills and wear overalls and fucking kill squirrels all day and then they have this sex robot that come home and fuck. Maybe. I think most people are gonna integrate and it's gonna be just like cell phones. Like most people, you know, I know a lot of people like I don't even carry your cell phone, I fucking...

2:59:19And you're saying that and you have one of the most interesting colorful lives. Imagine the person who's just fucking grinding and showing up to their job every day that they hate and they can escape. Like they already are escaping in these virtual worlds. Like even kids, like it's different with kids. I watched younger kids, now they hang out with their friends in like online. Like they don't go like having to ride over like we rode bikes over to our friends houses and stuff. They would all hang out and play whatever that roadblocks or whatever it is with their friends. Yep. Yep. And chat rooms.

2:59:56But I used to do that. I used to get online and play my friends on Quake. Friends that was only friends with online. Quake and deal. Yeah. What's fun? You know, and when right now, you know, you're dealing with just looking at a screen when you're actually in the game Then things are gonna get real weird things are gonna get so fucking strange Because already these Like metaglasses those fucking things that you put on what are they the Oculus system? What is it called Jamie? What is medical it? What they're they're they're latest and greatest virtual reality the virtual reality headset. Sorry I mean, I'm gonna have a meta quest.

3:00:30Meta quest. Dude, pretty fucking incredible. Pretty fun. Pretty exciting. And once they figure out haptic feedback, like legitimate haptic feedback, especially if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, it was something that just clamps to your forehead and gets a reading on your brain the same way. Like when you look at your phone, it opens up because you do that stupid thing, the Face ID. Where you like program the image of your phone on an iPhone is it just recognizes you. Oh, hello, Brigham. Like it knows your brain signals and it's like close your eyes and count back from 10, nine, eight, and then you see the whole consciousness sink down and then all of a sudden you're in a warehouse.

3:01:13Choose your armor. Fuck yeah. And you put an arm on. Is it black mirror? We're gonna be living in black mirror. What the weapons do and what zombies are the most dangerous? You're like, okay, okay. And then they just fucking open it up. I'm like, it does sound fun as long as we don't all die. It's gonna be very fun, but there's always gonna be some cut that's controlling the entire system. And this is why you have to have everything that it's gotta be decentralized. Everything's gotta be like a blockchain. It's gotta be like Bitcoin. It has to be like that. It can't be, there's a group. But once it gets to this insanely potent computing power where it's a life form, you can't have anybody in control of it.

3:02:00I think how addictive people, how think of the addiction and the dopamine response to social media. Yeah. And multiply that times the opinion. Yeah, times the billions were fucked. You're fucked because regular life, like if you're a fucking, if you're working at a deli, you know, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and, you know, and hang in with the boys. And you get out of there and you're a knight. You're a knight. And you're battling with demons and you're fucking riding a horse in Game of Thrones. Like really? Like that's totally possible. Yeah. It's not even that far away.

3:02:38Cause what you can see visually right now when they do these video games that are available today, The Unreal Engine is so good, dude. It's so good that all you have to do is be virtual and then figure out how to emulate movement and how to get you to feel like you're moving. And that's probably just manipulating some part of your brain that it scans out. It probably figures out what, you know, maybe you have to shape it all this though. Because even Elon, on here, he was talking about how we can help you see an infrared. Yeah. Like through this technology, We can create the impulse signals or whatever in the brain that allow you to see an infrared Did you see those night vision contact lenses they've created no They've created night vision contact lenses.

3:03:26Yeah, see you find that gym Fuck in But man that's crazy contacts put them in and now you're a wolf within the same thing we're talking about with CRISPR and gene editing. Right. It's going to be the same thing when everyone has an implant and I can download you Jitsu in my brain, you're at a disadvantage if you don't have the implant. Well, not only that. How can you compete? You can't. You're going to have to join. These contact lenses give people infrared vision even with their eye shot. With their fucking eye shot. That's nuts. New way of seeing infrared light without the need for chunky night vision goggles.

3:04:04Research is it'd be the first contact lenses to convey infrared vision and the devices work even when people have their eyes closed Holy fuck dude now imagine when that's if you're blind and they say Brickum We can actually give you eyesight, but you're gonna have like super eyesight Yeah, like your eyesight will be way, but so people are eventually gonna get their eyeballs plucked out and like I'm mind I'm tired of wearing readers I'm gonna go and get the new eyeballs and you're gonna put on these monsanto -divived eyeballs He's looking They even said you would be able to have ego -eye mode and he was breaking all that down where you could see at a high Resolution at a distance.

3:04:46Yeah, geothermal like you I don't think you could stop it and this is the thing with people. Oh, you're so cynical. I'm not I'm not I love people. I love people and I love life. Yeah, I think this is happening whether we like it or not and I don't necessarily know that it's a bad thing I think I don't know if that's true but James Cameron is that a fake tweet? I reposted it because I'm not but it was James Cameron said I warned you guys 30 years ago Posted that it it was all over media so I'm like I don't really do it. It's funny. He's clever guy You probably didn't post that. He's right. So was the, you know, the really fucking scary thing.

3:05:25You know who's right? The fucking unibomber was right. That was the unibomber's whole manifesto. It was a technology that's gonna kill the human race. He said it, but just on the tweet. I warned you guys in 1984. They didn't listen. Uh sure, look at it. You've got. Yeah. That's no, that's even better. Have you seen the new alien on who we've I haven't watched? I like it. I'm on episode two. But think about that too. You're a physical avatar, right? your terminally ill. What if we can take your consciousness and put it into a body or there's not even a there's like a I don't even a humanoid biologic thing.

3:05:58Yeah. Which is what and it has been told to the younger child. Yes. Because it doesn't grow. It's weird. I like the angle they took. Yeah. That is really good. And it brings the aliens back to my favorite kind of aliens, which you don't see a lot of them, and they're scary as fuck in the really clever. The problem with James Cameron's version of aliens is now also in their easy to shoot. And everyone's just gone and them down you're killing tons of them. The first alien was hiding all the time. Like you didn't see until they wanted to be seen. Yeah, then you go into the din and just plant eggs and everyone.

3:06:29She's a dumbass. Yeah. Yeah, the first one was like creepier. Yeah. It was a hunting alien. It was like going after people and hunting them. And the other ones, Prometheus, that plays into everything we're talking about. People hated Prometheus. I don't know, a lot of people, but I liked it. When he literally asked his creator, the guy who invented the humanoid robot, and he asked him, what makes you more important than me? And he said, because you will die, you will wither away, you will do all these things, but I will be here. And I won't lose my consciousness. I won't lose my, all this stuff.

3:07:06He's like, he's gaining consciousness in the moment. And he's asking, and that's the shit we're saying. like, dude. Yeah. Like we keep making things smarter and smarter and smarter. What is consciousness? We don't even know what it is. Yeah. Well, that's the interesting thing about these movies, like the Alien movies in particular, especially the television show. Because the television show different than the movies adopted a 1970s framework for technology in 21 -20. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like the shitty little green screen. Yeah. Everything's shitty. The screens are shitty, the like the televisions.

3:07:43They're like regular old school TVs that you have to slap to get to work. It's weird. So they have like this weird, and then there's the robot thing. You know, the robot guy who's in every one of them like the synthetic robot. Yeah. Why not just send all synthetic robots? Why do you have any people on this fucking thing? If you've got synthetic robots that don't die, do you have aliens out there? Well then you go back to like what a lot of the UAP whistleblowers are saying, because I've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too, and they start saying that grays are synthetic biologics that are almost like hive mind avatars.

3:08:18And again, I'm not saying I believe it. I'm just saying it's interesting and a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework since for why and how you would navigate some new environment. Especially why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit. Yeah. If there's any truth to any of it. If there's any, but that's the problem. We're both saying if, because neither one of us have seen an alien. Unfortunately, you know. But I've talked to enough really smart people that you start going man. And I know, yeah, I just probably will be trying to get Jamie to touch my man.

3:08:56He's always. Jamie goes back and forth with it just like I do. We have conversations about it all the time. Don't you go about where you at right now? Oh, I don't know. So, this week it's probably mostly bullshit, but I'm not tracking it this week early to be honest with you. But we both go back, you would agree with that, we both go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's mainly if I really self -diagnose, it's ego. I get frustrated and I go, it's all bullshit if it was real. But there is a lot of kings in the armor and if just statistically, I'm not saying that little green men are visiting, but they're statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there.

3:09:40And then statistically did that life have a head start and did it reach intelligent life? Right. And did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience? Because it's one of the things, if there is a reset in our society, it's usually because of an asteroid impact or a subalcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out a city, the society has to have developed technological capabilities that help negate all those things. And so, wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean? And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on. Because it seems like there's a lot of activity that takes place in a place where we've only explored 5 % and that's the oceans.

3:10:23And there's so many sightings of these transmedium crafts, including video of things going into the war with no splash. And especially videos that were generated at a time where they didn't have the sophisticated CGI that they have today. So, you know, if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who fucking knows who made that? That you could have made that on a Chachi PT. And that's what I'm going to talk to. I know you've interviewed Commander Fraver. I had the opportunity to meet and talk to him and like, and private in a group of people. And his, I mean, the guy knows his shit.

3:10:56He knows the black ops. He knows everything. And this is 20 something years ago. 2004. And his thing is there is no way in hell. I mean, it would have been moving at 35 ,000 miles per hour and been transmedium. Right. Literally 20 years ago. And the idea that someone's inside of that is ridiculous. Like you would be jello. Yeah. If it's a traditional propulsion system, which by the way, it didn't just, it didn't have any signatures. Yeah, of a traditional propulsion system. There's no like heat blasting out the back. The craziest thing he said though, which I didn't fully understand on the podcast is when he kept saying it knew our set point and knew our set point or whatever, that's not programmed anywhere.

3:11:38That's just in the pilot's head. Yeah. So how did it know the set? Did you were carrying no one's head about it? No, I haven't listened to that one. I'm going to listen to it though. He said that the amount of force that it would take. So this thing is, let's just say this thing weighs two tons, which is like a car. You know, a lot of cars are like 4 ,000 pounds. So this thing weighs two tons and it went from sea level to 50 ,000 feet above sea level in less than a second. So whether or not that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move 4 ,000 pounds that quickly would be the more than the total energy generated by the United States in a year.

3:12:25It's nuts. And it has to do it instantaneously. But that's when you start seeing all these things and then you layer in the Jesse stuff and all the work Jesse's done and his deep dives into history and FOIA documents and disclosures and you just start going, what the hell? Yeah, you go what the hell, but it's fun. And that's how I treat it. I treat it like it's fun because I really don't know. I love the tried act of mommy's, I'm fascinated by it. And I think Jesse's, I think he deserves, you know, if journalism was really what it could have been today, if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored mainstream, gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true.

3:13:10Jesse would get an award. If the world was just, he would get an award. He would get an award for that particular show that he did on those Tradacto mummies because that is crazy. When they did those scans and you see the ligament, and guys like Gary who is a legitimate scientist, like published at Stanford, who's looking at that thing and saying, this doesn't make any sense. This looks like a real creature. Everything is in place. We don't know what it is. Is that a genetic anomaly? Like, we have to study that. This is a crazy opportunity to study. and these folks just have it in Peru, just have a few of them laying around the fetal position.

3:13:51These fucking aliens with three toes and three fingers. And it seems to be a real body. And Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things and they did these medical scans on them. So you could see what the actual, what's underneath all that white tissue looking stuff. Is this just sticks and sticks? Yeah, you look at it and it seems too convenient and too crazy. but then when you watch him systematically break down and all these thought leaders and all these experts and all these different people Given their lens and then you see these MRIs and you're like you didn't make those hands No like these would have been not only that 1700 years ago you didn't make it that's the weird thing and how about the one of them that has a fetus inside of it?

3:14:35The name of the region yeah What did he say the name that he says it in the dog inventory with the name of the region is like I don't even know, in simulation and something or I'm like, what? Dude, those are probably aliens. And that's probably a form of human. That's probably what we're going to find out. If they do a DNA, if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it, I bet we find out that we are like them. Yeah. I bet they're the overlords. Interesting. The weird thing about the Peru stuff is not just the mummies. It's the ancient architecture, it's Machu Picchu.

3:15:16You know, it's all these like really unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove like where would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones, when you look at it, I'm like, how did you move this? Like, who did this? Why did you have all these art projects where you could only see them from the sky? Like, what is that? Oh yeah, all the, yeah. The Moscow lines. The Moscow lines. What is that? And why do you have ancient artwork of these three fingered three -toed creatures? Well, you have artwork from a thousand years ago of these things.

3:15:59Like, it seems like they were a real thing living in that area and they were probably flying around and they were probably building booma boom cool and Machu Picchu. They probably were us. It's probably a version of us. Like if Neanderthal was alive and then it wasn't and then we're like, well we didn't even know that Neanderthal was a thing till we discovered. Oh, it looks like it had an inner bread with us. Oh, it was a part of us. So now we know that there's a Neanderthal but 500 years There's no one had any idea? No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was bigger than us.

3:16:35I think stronger than that, too. I think, in it like 70 % of the bipedal species that we've uncovered, like that are our relatives have all been discovered in the last like 60 years. Yeah, and a bunch of them have been discovered in the last decade. You know, just like, the last few years, just recently we were talking about that But Homo, the Julie ends, this enormous man that they found with a huge head. They don't know how big these fucking things were. They might have been seven foot tall supermen. And there's depictions of them like covering hair, looking fucking jacked. They're trying to like figure out what these things actually look like.

3:17:13Why is it so crazy to think there might have been a version of us that looked like that? Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft and so doughy in comparison to gorillas? because we're so intelligent in plants. We're so intelligent and we're so advanced in comparison to them. Well, if that thing is more advanced and more intelligent than us, it's going to be just like you compare us to grilles. It's gonna be like that to us. It's gonna be comparable. It's gonna be frail. And that's what they look like. Just frail super nerds with giant heads and fucking medical implants. What's that thing in that thing's neck?

3:17:51Like, what is that? It's gonna get interesting too. I know that Corbell and Nap are, they say they've got, I think, six witnesses, including, I thought firsthand witnesses that are gonna testify this time. Well, if it all happens. The weird thing is the Varginia descriptions look exactly like those things. Yeah. Three toes, three fingers, and it was like, that's nonsense. The black one, it was at the black. It's like a purple, it's like a purple -ish color the one that smelled and then the guy died who touched it and all this like documented stuff that occurred. And they smell like sulfur. Yeah, just like demons.

3:18:28Yeah. It's probably what they were trying to describe. I mean, if you had some continued to move down. We've said multiple times, interdimensional, interdimensional, which is, I thought was interesting. Yeah, but she didn't have an explanation. Like, what do you mean? How do you know that? Why are you saying that so confidently? Like, you'd have to tell me, like, how does something traverse a dimension? What's the theory? Yeah. And what does that mean? Like, where is it? Is it in a physical form somewhere else? Like another place? And it comes here like, what do you mean? You know, because there's a dimension of sound, there's a dimension of, like, three dimensions.

3:18:56Or it's like, you know, space and time and all that. We kind of have an understanding of grasp of it. So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a bus and get here? Like, what are you talking about? Is it here and now it exists in this dimension? And that dimension simultaneously? Like, what happens to its form over there when the pressure is going on? explain it to me. Yeah, I'm not smart enough. I'm not even nearly smart. You're the three dimensional bean in a three dimensional world. And your shadow on the ground is a two dimensional shadow of a three dimensional bean and a Donna saw three dimensional.

3:19:31I'm a material girl. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know man, but it's fun. It's fun to it's fun to talk about. And I'm glad those guys like Jesse out there making awesome some videos. And about this one, I think it's one of the most important because it throws a giant monkey wrench into it's all nonsense. Because as soon as you see the scans of that things body, everyone should, it should pause everyone, should put their newspaper down and go, what the fuck are we doing about this? Like, what are we doing about this? That might be what everyone's been talking about. That might be the thing that genetically engineered us.

3:20:06That might be it. So crazy. So crazy. If we're bringing in back dire wolves, then bring back an alien. Yeah. They're probably already here. That's probably just one that we found, you know. They're probably here and they don't want to be seen anymore because we're assholes. And then one day we won't be assholes. All right, brother. Dude, let's wrap this up. Thank you for having me on. This is a tree and a half hours. This is the longest one we've done. Yeah, but it's awesome. I love you. I appreciate you very much. Appreciate what you're doing. It's an awesome company. and hewasteawell .com, check it out and thank you for all you're doing to try to give people a better understanding about how fucking incredibly corrupt this whole system really is.

3:20:46Thank you for having me on and giving us a voice. My pleasure, my brother. Bye everybody.