#2378 - Charlie Sheen

26:47You can't really explain what it felt like because they look at it as the things that were missing and there wasn't anything missing. Right. Right. It was about having to really be engaged in everything you you had to show up to gain, to get a like, you had to enter the building. Right, right, right. You had to go to a talk show, you had to attend a junket. You know what I'm saying? And nobody knew what the behind the scenes of your movie looked like until years later on the DVD feature or the VHS feature that they finally saw some of that stuff. Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't all all access 24 -7 365 and for some people they can't leave it alone They they have to live stream during the day their live streaming from their trailer their live streaming on in their car on the way home They're like yeah, what is that about their nuts?

27:46They just locked into this weird new world that we're living in But is it I mean is it because there's genuinely people that are tuning in with enthusiasm They're looking forward to that live stream in the car ride home or because the person or is it a combination? I think it's those things and it's also that thing that you said that you didn't ever get they're scared of you Didn't ever get alone time Just just time to decompress and think just be by yourself No phone no TV just fucking sit on the couch and just like catch your breath Right, and then I want that. That's just scared of that. I like it.

28:24Just constantly engaged with something I like entire days of that. Ooh, that's nice. Alone on the couch. Yeah. Watching TV. That's nice. It's nice to just shut off, right? It really is. It's all work, no play. Not good. Not good at all. Not good. Bad for you. And bad for your work, too, because it makes you just kind of, it gets dreary. You don't have the same enthusiasm for it anymore. You know, it's like you need discipline, but you also need enthusiasm. You know what I was gonna say earlier. Thanks. Okay. Alright the memory just you know dropped another token in the in the in the slot Is that I now now it's you know it doesn't even connect it doesn't Let's find out well known that I actually forgot it again How about that is that fucking nuts?

29:17It's normal this normal when you When you first got platoon, did you have any idea like what the fuck was gonna happen? I didn't. I didn't. For people today to understand how big that movie was, because it was one of the very first realistic war movies. And I think very importantly it was done by Oliver Stone who was actually a veteran of the Vietnam War. You remember in what you wrote down? Just that piece. Yeah, I'm not gonna forget it again. Okay, pardon, sorry, but that it was it was a different kind of war movie, you know Yeah, it much in the lines of your dad's movie. Yeah, you know, and that that was a very different kind of war movie as well Yeah, apocalypse from here platoon You know boots on the ground.

30:10Mm -hmm The script didn't read like it was going to be a masterpiece The script read like a kind of like a doc you drama sort of movie of the week. It didn't read that script and say, oh wow, okay, yeah, this is the one. People are going to really, wow, they're going to worship this thing. It didn't, the dialogue was very clipped and very specific. It kind of never really knew where you were in the script, in the scene descriptions. You know, the script was so lean. I think it was like barely a hundred pages. Really? So, but I didn't realize sort of what we were doing until we were actually doing it.

31:09Usually I can read a scene and get a sense of, you know, what my responsibilities are going to be or how we're going to break it down or at least, you know, how, how I'm going to see it on the screen. And I couldn't, I couldn't do that with platoon because all the terrain, all the scenes, everything kind of felt very similar, you know, yeah. And the original title was the platoon. You think it's as big a hit if he keeps the the yeah, I don't think it matters. It's a great movie. Thank you Thank you great movie. It doesn't matter, but we started to feel it as as we got deeper into it and and Oliver to something brilliant where he he decided to film it in continuity Like from page one day one all the way to the final day was the final page and that and that gave us a chance to like When something was finished, you were done with it.

32:01And you didn't have to know how you were gonna react or how you already reacted to something that hadn't happened yet. And when people died in the movie, they got sent home. Like the next day, they were just gone. I guess he wanted us to feel that sense of just someone you had gone, that lost, that sadness. Yeah. I'm not saying that I would know how that felt in the real thing, but we bonded really pretty dead. We were bonded in a way that because we were the only people that we had in the middle of that country, in the middle of that jungle, in the middle of that movie. So you really missed somebody when they were suddenly gone.

32:44I would love to ask, I mean, I've had it all over on a couple of times, but I would love to ask him what it's like to make a movie about a war that he was starring in. And like what kind of bizarre mental conflicts? Yeah, didn't get into any of that stuff. Not really. He talked a little bit about his experience with Vietnam, but I don't think we really talked about. Did we talk about the making of Platoon?

33:07We got so heavy into the JFK assassination, we hardly covered anything else. Oh, God it. Especially the last time he was on. The last time he was on was on, they were doing that showtime JFK documentary. It was a showtime thing, right? Wasn't it? I think it was, yeah. Yeah, where there was a multi -part piece that he put together. So it, yeah. His recall is insane. It's insane. It is. You have a conversation with him. He's pulling updates. He's got no, I mean, how old is Oliver at this point in time? Upper 70s? I just turned 60. So if he was in 78. He's 78. 78 years old. Okay. Rock solid memory.

33:46I mean, rock solid. Wow. The dude was just pulling up dates and names and Alan Dulles did this and Wow, it was just like the entire Warren Commission report. He's like citing different passages in it. It's been It's deep. Yeah, wow Has he landed on like what can he can he point to or is it is it several factor? Ten point two, but there is a lot of people that wanted him dead and for sure there was a lot of fuckery going on with the Warren Commission for sure. Right. Right. There's a lot of nonsense with the autopsies. There's a lot of nonsense with the single bullet going through both him and Connolly and leaving more bullet fragments in Connolly's wrist than that magic bullet was missing the one they found.

34:32It's like bullshit. The story's filled with bullshit. Yeah. And no one really knew how much bullshit it was until they had that video that they played of this a pruder film on the Heraldo Rivera show. When Dick Gregory came on and who was a comedian, which was pretty wild, came on and had the footage of the Kennedy assassination. Everybody sees Kennedy's head go back into the left and you're like, What happened there? And you immediately applied just simple, common physics to it. Yeah. You know, especially anybody who's ever fired a weapon. Also it clearly looks like he got shot in the chest too.

35:08Like when he grabs his deck, it's clearly that you got shot right there. And there's always that talk about doing a trache. Did it do a trache? But you know, there's two different autosies. Because the autopsying Dallas, it says it's an entry wound. And then there's the autopsying Bethesda Maryland that says it's a tracheonomy. Interesting. Yeah. Two different autopsies make up your mind. Yeah. And it also looks like by the time they got to Bethesda, they kind of glued his head back together again. Or at least put the pieces back to take a photo of it. It's like more was missing from what they were talking about in Dallas, then the Bethesda.

35:40That's the shot where the love of Hannah's looks like it's pointing right? Yes, yeah. There's a great book called Best Evidence by David Lichten, and he was an accountant. And he had some sort of assignment involving the Warren Commission report. And so he decided to do his read the entire thing. And so in the reading of the entire thing, he finds so many contradictions, so many things that don't make any sense that he starts becoming obsessed. And then he finds out how many people who are witnesses to the assassination wind up dying mysteriously. Right, right, right. Off the charts. Yeah. Off the charts.

36:12Like 95 % of them. All those people that were hanging around like a giant ton of them. Right. Died in car accidents. Sure. Weird fucking. Who was the guy in the train tower? Getting bowers, right? Who is bowers? He was the guy that saw badge man. He saw people behind the knoll. He saw the exchange of the rifle. He saw all the dying weird shit. that he died, I think he had a heart attack on a train track. And then, of course, also got hit by the train. I could be wrong, but it was one of those type of things. But of course, yeah. And then, but what was the guy who's standing at the, when the curb explodes like near the underpass?

36:52Oh yeah, that's the guy, that's the reason why they had to come up with the magic bullet there. There's a Tig, no, what's his name? I don't remember, did he die weird? Probably. I don't know if he died weird, but he was hit with a ricochet. Right. Because they knew that the overpass. That's why they had that adds a bullet. Yes. They had that. And then, okay, how do we fix this? Right. What about we said only one guy did it. It's only three shots. So how do we come up with a reasonable excuse and they came up with the magic bullet? Yeah. Yeah. I think the the architect of that was a specter. I think it was our own specter.

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38:49Fees may apply in Illinois, boy in Ontario. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance, For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng .co slash audio. They're just bullshit of people. But back then, you can get away with that. Right. You know, it was pretty easy to just bullshit people. And you see all the additional cameras, like, the Bushka lady, for instance, right? And all that stuff just confiscated it. Yep. And never, yeah. Well, they had this a prudofilm for a long time. I think time life had it. And then somehow another dick regeg got it. Was it ever released with missing frames?

39:24Wasn't there the jump cut when he goes behind the sign and then it jumps because they didn't they take out the fatal head hit at some point and then tried to sell that. Perhaps they probably did at one point in time. But now obviously you could see the whole thing and then this also been AI enhanced. I don't know if you've seen the AI enhanced one. I haven't. No. It's grizzly. It's even more gruesome. It's gruesome. I mean, I think he was shot for multiple angles simultaneously. That's what I think. I think he was shot both from the back and from the front. And I think Lee Harvey Oswald, if he wasn't involved, he certainly wasn't innocent.

40:04He was probably the guy that they were going to frame it on. But I think he was in on the whole thing. I mean, I think he killed a cop afterwards as well. The tipit, no. Yeah, tipit. Yeah. Have you ever heard that thing about, because Tipett's nickname back at the precinct was JFK. Don't read this thing. Then they show the side by side of how much they really look like each other, really. So they're saying he was the body they used for the transfer when they flew with the empty coffin, you know, all that stuff about that. Yeah, it is so, so many just, you know, warrants to travel down. And there's so many angles to explore.

40:43There's too many. There's so many rabbit holes to go down. We were introduced to it as kids because dad played both candidates. So we were seeing documentaries at like, you know I would have been 10 or 11 and million was 13 or 14 and so we've been Involved in this thing for a lot longer than we should have been. Wow. Yeah, we had access to this stuff and so Was just nuts that no one was brought to justice and we know for sure more people were involved than Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald there was more people involved and no one was brought to justice and they got away with it We don't want to think that they get away with things like killing the president But they did in broad daylight.

41:23Yeah, yeah, blaming it on a lone gunman alone nut. Yeah, yeah Who when they already had a full description and and and the rapture and run down and everything about? They knew they printed articles about it before it was even over Yeah And then the Jack Ruby thing where Jack Ruby goes completely insane in jail after he's visited by Jolly West Who is the head of MK Ultra? Yeah, who is like routinely dosing people with acid? Yeah, it got Jolly God Jolly West cooked Jack Ruby's brain in jail And just left him insane. He's the guy from What's the book that it came from chaos? Yeah, I actually read chaos before it got all the attention really yeah Yeah, friend of mine gave it to me and I was, and I, all right, I'll read a couple pages and I was like, oh, yeah.

42:12Oh, okay. This is good. This is one of the best books. This is different take. Yeah. But I'm curious how you felt about the documentary they did about it. I didn't watch it. Okay, I, I thought it was gonna be too quick. 90 minutes, I didn't think was like enough time. It's only 90 minutes, right? I thought it was the first episode. Oh, you thought it was gonna be more fun. So I watched it sort of like a data gathering thing you usually do with the first episode and kind of just see him or what the director's doing and what kind of stuff they're laying out early. Yeah. So and then when it ended and I didn't see that second episode with the timer, right?

42:47Uh -huh. And I was, oh that's and I thought it was a complete, uh, I thought it radically underserved the book. Yeah, maybe they could try again. They need to, that needs to be like an eight -part two -hour -a -piece series. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, because it's so nuts. The story is so nuts. Yeah. Just the provable actual facts are so nuts that very likely Charles Manson was a CIA asset, very likely they had groomed him when he was in prison and taught him mind control techniques when people were high on acid, taught him how to be sober, but pretend he's on acid and how to interact with these people that on acid and shape their mind and even get them to commit murder.

43:31All of which is fact. Yeah, no, it's insane, but so much of it is, I don't want to say, provable, but has enough supporting evidence to make a compelling case. And I love that the guy starts out just like a, you know, just a kind of a normal celebrity assignment for Premiere magazine, right? Yeah, I've been on that magazine. I had that cover twice. My story didn't wind up like that. I think it was story for a magazine and it was just about the anniversary of the murder. Exactly. That's it. That's what it was. You know, just give us a piece. You know, so people go, wow, crazy, 25 years later. Wow.

44:15Right. Yeah. And then he gets obsessed and he starts realizing, well, this guy was full of shit. And that guy was corrupt. And oh my god, look at this. And hold on. Who's Jolly West? Right. You know, like what's MK Ultra? This is real freedom of information. get the documents. Oh my god. Operation Midnight Climax. The government was running whorehouses. They were running whorehouses and using two -way mirrors and dosing johns and filming them. And this has to do with Manson. Like what the fuck was going on? Yeah. And then you realize that it was all a a a a sigh -op to try to demonize the peace love and stop war movement.

44:53And that what they really want to do is stop the anti -war movement and do something to curb the cultural change that was happening. And so their strategy was to turn hippies into murderers. It kind of worked. It kind of worked. Yeah, it kind of worked. Yeah, I mean, it's a long way to go. But I think it had the effect they were looking for. Imagine if they didn't do that. Like, what kind of cultural change would have taken place? Because is if you think about what happened between 1950 and 1960, it's like the world becomes a different place in 10 years. Between 1960 and 1970s, like what? This world is crazy, the music is crazy, the culture is crazy, the movies are nuts.

45:38Everything is wild, it's very psychedelic. And then Nixon comes along in 1970, passes this sweeping schedule one act, makes all mushrooms and LSD, makes everything illegal, all to stop the civil war, civil rights movement and the anti -war movement at the same time when they're doing this, Manson stuff. So it was a concerted effort across the board to stop the anti -war movement and to stop the civil rights movement. They were like, we're losing control and power. And so, I mean, it was an evil thing to do, but you kind of got to give them credit, because it's pretty brilliant. Like, they actually pulled it off.

46:17You think of serial killer, you think of Banson. You think of the family. Oh my God, these hippies are murderous. But you're murderous freaks on drugs. Cutting women's babies out of their stomachs and writing pig on the wall. Like, this is nuts. Yeah, and they brought the beetles into it. And our own goddamn government engineered it. They engineered, they stopped. What was probably one of the most beautiful cultural shifts in this country's history. That would have organically still kept evolving into other things that would have would have bloshed in that event Yes, yeah, we probably would have rethought government We probably would have like rethought the type of people that we want as leaders we'd have rethought our involvement foreign wars There'd been no support for it.

47:04We would have rethought what psychedelic drugs can do for you versus the bad aspects of them We would have rethought everything we would have re we would have music would have been a lot better. Music took a big dip. Yeah, it did. Music took a big dip I think got rid of the drugs that were good and brought in the coke. But people do point to the death of the 60s, it occurred up at C. L. O. Drive. Yeah, it was effective. Yeah. I mean that completely demonized any peace love and you know any of that kind of movement. Those people became a real problem now because you're now connected to Manson. It was instantly zero tolerance.

47:44Like, over kind of nuts. Yeah. Kind of nuts that it was really all engineered by the government. You know, it's really that in itself, in and of itself, is a terrible crime that they sort of engineered society to their benefit so that they could maintain control. and the way they did it is by getting a horrible con who had been in and out of jail's whole life and teaching him how to run a cult. Right, right. A murderous cult. And setting up at a free clinic in the hate where my wife's mom went. Oh, yes. My wife's mom was a hippie. You have a connection to this. Yes, my wife's mom went, she was a hippie in hate aspery and she went to the hate aspery free clinic.

48:31Treated at that clinic. Yes. Wow, you know that clinic didn't shut down until after Tom O 'Neil's book came out that clinic would have been running for over 50 years So it ran till like 20 22 When did it close it closed shortly after that book came out? I couldn't we're good. I got out of here. I could have gone there while I was reading the book. Yes the CIA was running Not for any treatment. Yeah clinic. What a trip that is so nuts and that clinic also connected to Jolly West that clinic also connected to all sorts of other marijuana experience. San Francisco is where they were doing operation midnight climax.

49:08That's where they had a brothel.

49:13These are the people that are supposed to be like protecting serve. Look out for your best interest. These motherfuckers are creating Manson and completely shifting society and turning people into whatever the fuck we became in the 70s and the 80s. Yeah, the book came out June 25th, 2019. Yeah. And the clinic closed July, 2019. Seriously. Yeah. One month later. Like fuck, we got busted. That did read the foreword and was like, guys, we got a problem. Yeah, yeah. That's probably how long it took them just to clear the building out. Yeah, exactly. And try to figure out whether they're going to kill Tom O 'Neill.

49:53Right, right. Has he been on the show? Yes. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. He's great. He's great. He's actually my good friend Greg Fitzimmons He was his neighbor in New York. Okay, when he first started working in this and then he became his neighbor Also in Venice like he's been his neighbor for like 20 years So Greg's followed him from this entire journey and Greg had been telling me about it for years I'm like when's your friend gonna get that fucking book done and then finally he says tells me the whole story How it took so long why he's like you got to have him on the book is insane I'm like let's go wow so we had him on and it was In first of all I listened to the book first before I had him on a list of the audio version I was like this is nuts.

50:35Yeah, this is nuts if this is all true. This is fucking insane and it's all true so They really did It engineered a murderous cult of hippies. And almost used the clinic as a casting couch, as an audition process from which girls they thought would be the most vulnerable, vulnerable, yeah. Crazy, yeah. Crazy, the CIA was doing that. It's just, I thought they were supposed to just operate on foreign soil. I know they were, but you know, Wouldn't it be great to manage your portfolio on one platform? Well, now you can trade all in one place on Robinhood. That means you can trade individual stocks and ETFs and also buy and sell crypto using seriously powerful and intuitive tools at one of the lowest costs on average without needing to manage multiple apps.

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51:59Crypto transfers may not be available to all customers. Investing involves risk, including loss of principle. Security's trading is offered through an account with Robinhood financial LLC. Member SIPC, a registered broker dealer. I'll sometimes things get messy, but it's like they you talk to like your average boomer who just watches cable news and reads the newspaper. They never believe this in a million years and they'll hear us talking about it Thing and come on guys. Oh, you're out of your mind and but they but they but they also will never read the book No, never read the book and then when things get proven they never apologize Imagine that never apologize for your baseless conspiracy theories that all turned out to be true Yeah, because you know the conspiracies are fucking real.

52:41Okay? This this conspiracy theory Pjorative that they really started foisting on the American public during the Kennedy assassination was for that very reason They wanted to make it ridiculous That's what the term was coined. That's what the term became popular right? Apparently the term existed before that we we we'd research this right? Didn't we? Google the original term of conspiracy theorists. It's quite a bit earlier, but it was never like a thing in the public zeitgeist. It became a thing during the Kennedy assassination because a lot of people were questioning it because it looked weird.

53:13You know, everything, even the people that hadn't seen this a prudert film, everything just seemed off. It seemed off. And there was rumblings amongst people that were there that they're the big one was the shots from the grassy knoll. Many people talked about gunshots. And that one photo where There's like 15 people pointing to the same spot. You see smoke, you hear where the bushes are, and it's not a good photo, but it's good enough. There you go. It's just two, it was two uniform. You know, people were, they all were pointing. We heard shots from back there. There is a thing that does happen, especially if you look at Deely Plowes of your driven through.

53:51I have, yeah. I've walked the whole crime scene. It's weird to be there. First of all, it's so little. It's you can't believe how close everything is yeah It's real little and that they but that they sent him into that tight turn and put him into that Vertebral pickle jar. I mean, you know, yeah completely planned and you watch the motorcycle cops drop back Uh -huh, just drop back which is there's there's something I read Did you ever read the men who killed Kennedy? I think it's Jim Mars. Do you remember Jim Mars? Yeah, did you ever have him on? No, I did not okay. He's he's didn't pass. I think so yeah Yeah, he wrote size spies, which was all about remote viewing.

54:31Oh, yeah, he's a trip. He was deep into everything. I go back and forth on that remote viewing. I do too. I do too. But there's something in one of his books, and I've never been able to find it anywhere else. It's almost like this little detail was scrubbed from the internet that the Morse Code signal for victory right after the fail headshot went out over every Dallas police radio. Have you ever heard that? No. Okay, I read that. This is disclaimer. I'm not coming up with this. This is not my original data. But yeah, when I read that, that was just, that was creepy. That's crazy. And I don't know that he would have just added that for color.

55:18That's not something you just throw out there. Yeah, that's a weird thing to add. Victory. Well, a lot of people hated Kennedy back then. It's hard for us to reconcile now today because we think of him as like one of our greatest presidents. Of course, because he got murdered. We always love him after they get shot. But when he was alive, this was like half the country fucking hated him. And then there was the Bay of Pigs disaster. We were lost a lot of people because Kennedy didn't give him air support. He wasn't told about the invasion until like last moment and the air support was crucial to its success He denied air support a bunch of people died that weren't going to die right and so those guys on the ground My friend Evan has a theory my friend Evan who owns black rifle coffee who was a ranger himself.

56:06I met him He's the best. I love him. I love him death But he said like those guys those are hard nose killers and if they think that they lost their brothers because this fucking piece of shit didn't give them the air support that they deserve. It was Kennedy's idea and you tell him that you want to get that guy killed, like, oh, fucking sign me up. Those guys would do it. He's like, those would be the type of guys you would have do something like that and they would probably tell you, this would be a perfect place to do it. That tight little turn. Anybody who says, by the way, because good spirits, he's get, everybody gets binary on this one way or another.

56:44I believe this, everybody says that Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't make that shot, has never shot a rifle. Your full of shit, if the rifle's on, it was not that far. I'm not saying you could do it a hundred times out of a hundred. But the possibility of him having that rifle ready, he's got a scope, he's got a rest. The car comes into view, you roll the sight onto his back, you squeeze off around, pow, pow, pow, pow, squeeze off around, pow, and you get a head shot in there. That's 100 % possible. I just don't buy it. Right. I don't buy it. I don't think he acted alone. If he did do it, he might have done it.

57:20He might have shot at him. He might have even hit him once. There was other people. He was the patsy. And I think when he said, I'm just a patsy. The way he said it was not like a guy who murdered somebody. The way he said it was like, I can't believe they set me up. Exactly. Exactly. So I think he was in on a bunch of it. I just don't think he pulled the trigger. Or if he did pull the trigger, he was one of many people that pulled the trigger. That's what I think. Yeah. But there was a lot of other people saying, oh, he could have made those shots because the rifle scope was off. That's, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because I could get your rifle scope to be off in five seconds.

57:56Okay, if your rifle scope's perfect, is it zeroed in? Bang, I drop it on the ground, try it again. It'll be off by six inches at 200 yards. You're gonna lose that thing. It's their flat dial. They require micro adjustments with little Allen wrenches and hex keys and shit. And people, they don't torque them too much. you get it dialed in perfect. On a $37 right? Yeah, on a rifle from 1963. From the bag of a magazine. Yeah, of course that thing can get knocked off. Right. Like almost instantly you can knock that thing off. There is a thing about the tree though. What about the tree? Then he had to shoot through a tree because what they've done and a lot of the reenactments, yeah, you know, supporting that he was the lone gunman, they did cut out part of the tree that Kennedy's behind.

58:42they cut it out for the reenactment. Yeah, so you would have a clear field of view. But he had a clear field of view for at least a brief amount of time. Sure. And that's all you need. That's all you need if you were good. And if you practice, and I'm assuming that if you're gonna go shoot the president, you'll probably get used to firing off a few rounds. You'll probably set up a target. So you're not gonna just hope that your accuracy is still there for three years ago. Yeah, you're gonna practice. So if you're gonna practice, you're gonna be even quicker at racking a new round. Sure he could have done it.

59:13I just don't buy it. It just none of the evidence seems to point that direction including all the evidence that they try to Fabricate like the magic bullet one is nuts Anybody who's ever shot anything with a bullet who looks at that and believes that went through two people and broke bones Yeah, that looks like it shot got started to a swimming pool. Yeah It doesn't look like it ever hit anything now and I've had people like you know debate me and taking the side of the magic bullet They're not they're and they look me right in the eyes and and believe it and I'm just like okay Well cool. This is where we have to Just They're out of their mind.

59:51Yeah, we have to walk away. They're out of their mind. They don't know I could show them like let's go Let's go take a bone from a cow Let's set up a bone from a cow and well. I'll shoot it at a hundred yards one bone Yeah, just one. Yeah, and let's take a look at that bullet right. Yeah It's not going to look anything like that. It's going to be all fucked up. And there's the fragments. There's missing fragments from the bullet that are in Connelly's wrist that are more fragments that are missing from the actual bullet. They're attributing to the wound. You can't. Yeah. But they did it. That's what's nuts.

1:00:27You know about to talk about it so the cows come home. Do you know about the Palm Print though? Oh, that they linked the rifle to Oswald because of a Palm Print on the... Doc, when they went to visit him in the morgue. Yeah, they didn't get it till after the auto. Yeah. Huh, it wasn't there and then... Surprise. How convenient. Yeah. Yeah. And also, like says who? Says who, his finger print was on it. You could just say that back then. 1963, the government says we found a finger, but how's Waldo's not a lawyer? No one's representing him, he's dead. You know, no one's gonna say, my client is innocent, he's fucking dead, okay?

1:01:05Okay, pin it on him, nobody gives a shit. And everybody just mourned the fact that the president was dead. And then, you know, all of a sudden, you got Lyndon Johnson full steam ahead with Vietnam War. Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah, if you're gonna look at what happens after the major event, it's like, it's, things got very different. Yeah, they got very different. That's when you really start to see, like, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, oh Kennedy was trying to be a real president and they were like oh none of that Yeah, it was a federal's herb. It was being done. It was like all this big like really in big things You wanted to get us.

1:01:43I mean he wanted to kill the CIA He wanted to do a lot of things. Yeah, and they were like not today, sir And then that's the real argument is like we haven't really had a president since Kennedy Everything after that has been the president's more of a speaker interesting The giant machine behind it continues to run exactly as it always has. Yeah, I mean, and just from where I said, there's not a lot you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. You can talk, but look, if they haven't done anything about the Kennedy assassination, you can't do shit. No. You could put pressure on people and you definitely can hurt their chances of getting re -elected if people find out that they're very disappointed in you for not splitting.

1:02:29supporting this or not telling us about that or lying about this or you were involved in that. Yeah, but other than that, like there's not much, not much you can do. Yeah, and that's why I don't really weigh in anymore. It's probably smart on. It just feels like, I don't know, there's wasted energy. It definitely is a lot of that. But it's also like a show, you know, you could watch the show. Hey, have you ever heard the, watch the latest episode of the Epstein Files? Like what's going on? Yeah, you know? Yeah, it turns into a show. turns into a parlor game also, you know, right? That's how my dad described the OJKs.

1:03:06He said, this is like the greatest parlor game ever. Right, you know. Boy, I remember watching that verdict on TV live in my apartment with his girls dating. She was a really sweet girl. And she couldn't believe that he was innocent. Yeah. She didn't understand it. She was so confused. Yeah, I didn't like it. She was like, no, no, how? She's kept putting her hands over her face. No, no. It completely torqued her whole reality. Yeah. Yeah. I was on a mountain top in Mexico doing a kind of a low rent, sci -fi film called The Arrival. I love that movie. Oh, don't say that was a low rent movie. I love that movie.

1:03:52You know, turn me on to that movie. Dave Foley. Dave Foley is a good friend of mine from News Radio. Okay, well we were on this radio together. He fucking loved that because this is a so underrated sci -fi movie I'm like, okay cool. Wow. I checked it out. It was great. I love it. Thank you. Thank you It was it was the first Film that actually incorporated a mashup of puppets and CGI at the same time Because at that point it was either one or the other and and the other hadn't fully really arrived yet, right? Oh, yeah So that was kind of cool, but no, we were, I was so hoping for the day off to be back at the hotel because everybody knew the night before that the verdict was coming, right?

1:04:36So we had to shoot this scene and there was a prop man. And he had the only, this is 95, right? He had the only cell phone and it had like half a bar and it's starting to rain. And he's got his ear and his buddies got his phone in LA up to the TV when they're about to read the verdict So we all gather around the prop man and we're watching him He's kind of leaning to keep the signal to keep it to kind of keep you know connected and then We can see when he hears it He see slumps a little bit right Takes the phone from his air and slams it into the mud and screams that motherfucker got away with murder.

1:05:23Voice like echoed through the mist. It was gnarly. That's a wild scene. That's how I learned about the OJ verdict. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Dave Anderson was there with me. He's a buddy I grew up with. He's in the book. He's a two time Oscar winning FX makeup artist, you know? And so, yeah, if you ever run across Dave the Rave, Anderson asking about the OJ verdict. That's a crazy, just a crazy scene, imagine a guy reacting like that. He was our only connection to it. Yeah. And everybody was so invested in this thing. And it was really hard to go. And that was like, do you remember time of day that might have happened?

1:06:03Kind of late morning sort of, or was it in the afternoon? No, I don't remember at all. We still had a pretty sizable day to shoot. And it was really hard to regain focus. Yeah. And feel like what we were doing still mattered. Yeah. Because there was a giant, just there was like a murmur in the universe at that point. Yeah. Like something, it felt like something had been taken from us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, civility. Did you see the last, or the most recent, OJ documentary? No. It's um It's murder Mayhem and blood and think it's got three Murder mayhem and blood Ah

1:06:55Something I'm probably way off with that title No No, it's actually it's but it's the latest OJ documentary well, I guess man. I'm will be the latest this Yeah, this is the one that was before that and it's broken down at the crime scene by two like expert veteran recreationists Yeah, it's it's a trip Do you do you watch any OJ stuff? No, no, I try not to Because it's too weird. I okay. Do you think there was something else there? No, I think he killed his wife. Yeah, and he killed Ron Goldman And he got away with it. Yeah, and it's just nuts. It's just you know, it's weird you watch him on like naked gun And you're like that guy.

1:07:45Yeah, I got murdered his wife with a knife like what? Yeah, and then he got away with it and he just golfing Yeah, it was very far apart that didn't really support anything about what he had claimed You remember when he was a rapper? Remember the juices loose you remember that oh gosh. I think I just will I will that one out of my He had like a like a like a Kings Robon and like his a bunch of hot ladies. Okay. Okay. It's coming back to me. Yeah. He made a rap song. Wow. Wow. Yeah. He was like embracing the heel roll at one point in time after the guilty verdict or the not guilty verdict. Right.

1:08:22Right. Right. Yeah. And so he got into like rap. But I mean, probably just just for just for a monetary grab. I would imagine. Yeah. I'm gonna play the juice is loose. It's so bad. Oh my God. It's, is it off of YouTube? That would be hilarious. He had a, it was part of a TV show. He had, I saw another clip. Oh, that's right. He has like a prank show. He was trying to prank people. It's like, a prank pre, uh, uh, Jack asked. Yeah, but I'm trying to think of the thing that they made on MTV that they did with all the celebrities. Couldn't damn, my point. God. Oh, Jay was doing that. Everybody would just run away screaming.

1:09:02He did it to a lady like walked up to her hotel room with a knife. Oh my God. That was one of his scenes Jesus Christ You got juice is what you got you Damn Also the music video had a bunch of Negolas. Yeah, it was aired on like a paper view The spice channel or something. Huh spite remember the spice channel Yeah Yeah, but that whole thing, going from that verdict to trying going back to work. It's not through video. Oh my, yeah. Look at that. Look at that. I remember one time we were filming news radio was in the middle of that North Hollywood shootout. Do you remember that? I do, yeah. We were watching it live on TV while trying to do a sitcom.

1:09:53And we were like, we probably should take some time off here. There's a fucking war going on in the middle of North Hollywood. Wow. Yeah, that was I think that involved a lot of cocaine and steroids too From from the brother from the guys. Yeah, I know they were definitely on steroids Yeah, but I think they were there was probably some or math something like yeah, I think Math sort of a lot longer yeah for people don't know the story these guys Did they they rob a bank is that what they did? Yeah, but waited? Yeah, like could have driven away I could have left with all the dough. And they decided to get in a shootout with the cops and killed cops, right?

1:10:32Yes. And they got killed, but a bunch of cops got hit. And the cops were like horribly outgunned. Oh yeah. The cops had their nine millimeter pistols and these guys have fucking machine guns and bulletproof vests. Yeah, Kevlar helmets. They had face masks. Yeah. Yeah. Now do you support that when the dude finally kills himself, that it was a simultaneous sniper shot at the same time. I never even looked into that. Is that one of the conspiracy? Well, it's just, yeah, that's one thing that they claim. That he got shot and shot himself at the exact same time. At the exact same time. It's possible.

1:11:08But why would they, what does that serve? Like, what does that? Maybe they were already gonna shoot him and he shot himself and they didn't think he was gonna shoot himself and they pulled the trigger right when he did. Got it. That's what I would guess. If that's the case. But it's not like they have to be let off the hook because at that point that dude has to be put down Yeah, I mean one of the guys had already been shot and he was shot in the leg and they didn't get him any medical help They knew he was gonna bleed out You know, I think I think that was the case. I think he got shot as from oral artery Yeah, the first the first guy it says he died by this is from Wikipedia He died by suicide via gunshot to the head from his handgun simultaneously being hit by rifle fire from LAPD officers with running around striking and severing a spine.

1:11:49Whoa. The other guy got shot over 29 times and died from blood loss. Wow. I mean, what are the odds that the... Crazy. That the thing with that, that's kind of... Sounds like there were a lot of bullets were flying in his direction. There were 2 ,000 rounds were found. She's just 3 ,000. Like, what is that way? Like, if you're carting that around And you've got a whole duffel of cash. Yeah, you must have a heavy trunk. Yeah. Yeah, that is bananas half was the police, but Wow Imagine being in that neighborhood I think that's where I moved my 1000 rounds are flying in both directions Well the cops like went to a gun store, right?

1:12:35Didn't they I think they did right when it started and they were like whatever you got You know, give us your biggest or rifle. You know, whatever you got we'll take it. Yeah How much ammo you got? I mean, how long did that go on for? About an hour Wow They had homemade body armor SWAT team wasn't ready for that they had to come and dear an armored vehicle to evacuate wounded people Yeah, then they that's that's kind of sparked the debate for police to get more power Geez Yeah, that was that that was kind of a those attorney point moment now if you're a real conspiracy theorist then you say, oh, MK, ultra, trick those guys into doing that so that the cost of good and better guns could get militarized.

1:13:16Yeah, yeah. Well, this is the problem with conspiracies. People attribute them to everything. Right. Really get down the rabbit hole. Everything's a conspiracy. Yeah, yeah. But then when they do that, they kind of harm the credibility of the ones that can really be considered for how we know them to be after all the extensive research. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, there's real ones. But I think that's also part of the reason why some really silly conspiracy theories get pushed. I think they get pushed by bots and I think they get pushed by paid accounts to water down the Yeah, to make the most stupid and they'll like attach them attach a really stupid conspiracy to a one that's legitimate Right, and then discredits the legitimate one.

1:14:10Yeah, it's almost like you know not to introduce this But just from afar it's almost like a lot of the QAnon stuff kind of had that in fact just yeah, you know I didn't dig deep into that and don't you know and only know just the just the basic like talking points about it. But one thing I did see that felt like a constant was that there was always, anytime they'd mentioned something that was just completely screwy, it was followed up with the ones that we believed to be real. Right, you know, that just kind of this big, just kind of just put all in the same. Yeah, a stew of good stuff. You know, just do exactly and just just stirred that cauldron, you know, yeah, that's a very convenient way to bury truth The QAnon documentary on H .B.

1:15:02It was great. Oh, enter the fire. It was called

1:15:09Anything I didn't see it Into storm. Oh, okay. It's really good. Is it it's a multi -part thing on all the people that were involved in and 4chan and the creation of QAnon. They think the original guy was, and they think another guy took it over after a while and took over the account. Got it. And it seems like they were just kind of fucking around at first. But it's not definitive. Like he's got some really good evidence and points in that direction, but it's just hard to know. And everyone always thought that it was someone inside the White House. There was some like secret person inside the White House.

1:15:46It doesn't seem like this documentary believes that. The guy made this documentary, he pins it on one guy in particular. That's a tech nerd that seems to have all of the attributes of someone who could pull off a QAnon type deal. Yeah, super smart, you know, internet ship poster, you know, running for a Chan, you know, and like, that's the whole thing over there. It's like get people to do stuff that's stupid. Right. Like they got women to free bleed. They they started pushing this idea that you you know, it's the patriarchy's making you wear a tampon And you should just your menstrual cycle should just flow in your pants and who cares?

1:16:26And this is like a sign of your strong femininity It was just them being crazy and then a bunch of women just adopted it. Wow. Not for long Right gross. They're like this is stupid. Yeah, probably lasted a couple weeks But but a bunch of women But that's people are really susceptible. You could get people to do that, not everybody, but it's just like the hate ashberry, freeklinic thing. Not everybody's gonna join your call. But if you open up a freeklinic, you're gonna get enough lost children that come in through your doors. Where they're gonna need your legit services to start with. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.

1:17:03Yeah, you gotta sort it out. Right. Right. Yeah. It's just nuts that that that's our government. That's our daddies. Our government daddies. The people that we're supposed to be looking to to help us lead a prosperous life and secure our standing in the world and make sure we've grown financially. And these motherfuckers did all that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, ultimate power. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in any form. Well, they bring it back to start them. Like that's a weird power to get somebody. It's especially when you're 21 years old. Like you are. Yeah, the weird power. Weird amount of freedom, weird amount of like people expecting you to be kind of wild.

1:17:51Sure. Yeah, and again, that thing you talked about where you watch it happen to others. And then suddenly it's you. it's a lot more intoxicating and then I would always think, okay, so why, how were they able to control it? Why didn't I see them enjoying it at this level? And it wasn't about, I'm going to show them the way they should have been doing it. It was just about, hey, can go to 11, you know, and not burn the whole house down. You know, when it was still fun, when it was still creative and productive on some level, you know, because it wasn't about, it was still having to show up and it was still, you know, carving out enough time for the party but also reserving enough, you know, energy for the job.

1:18:58Right. That's the balance. That's the balance. And some people pull it off. Some people, they're really disciplined and they pull off the work and then they pull off the partying. Right, right. And I was able to maintain that for a long time. And even when it flamed out like those early rehabs and there was always like, there was a job like the day I got out. Wow. You know, scripts showing up in rehab. And it's like, they want you to get, they want you to get well, okay? They want you to get better, but you know, as soon as you're out of here, you know, we got we got some good stuff Feel to look at there's also unfortunately a romantic notion of a guy getting out of rehab interesting Right interesting how many cops show start with a guy who's down as dumps Putting a pizza in a blender for breakfast You know, I mean like really like at his lowest of low points drinking and then maybe his daughter cries and he throws the bottles into the trash can is like I'm done And now he's back in there's a romantic thing getting your shit together sure Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Charlie's back better than ever.

1:20:05Yeah, you know, yeah, and it's it's you know Everybody's rooting for you again And they and they're expecting the the guy to deliver Yeah, but passion now we like experience. We drug addict exactly. Yeah, look at Robert daddy junior now Right, yeah, people love that they loved that but the same thing was happening to Downie when When he when he was in rehab or maybe when he was even in the pen when they what people were bringing him I think he was I think they brought him out of Macbiel when he was still in jail And I don't think I think he's still got high after that You know and my dad would always be like yelling at the television It's like stop rewarding his this behavior stop rewarding and let him let him let him sit in those Consequences not out of judgment right out of punishment or you know just out of love, you know to help him get it shit together Yeah, keep letting them fuck up over and over again.

1:21:02They'll continue to fuck up. Yeah Yeah, but if there's always a carrot the day you walk out, you know something to something to chase and and and a soft landing Yeah, you know that's what was really interesting about this You know, this decade -long timeout that I got put into, you know. Which, you know, at some point, the punishment has to sort of fit the crime, right? And yeah, it felt like it was a little bit longer than it should have been. I don't remember any murder charges, you know. But at the same time, there's not a chance that I could have done the two projects that I've, wow, the book came out yesterday and the doc comes out today, you know.

1:21:55I couldn't have done either unless I had the kind of perspective and distance from all of that that I was able to get to find, you know. You've been sober for how long? Seven years? Coming up on eight. Eight years. Yeah, be eight in December. That probably helped a lot to be away from everything to the free to achieve that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah I mean, I was still doing things to you know, just kind of staying the mix a little bit And you know, I do sign -ins. I do speak in engagements do stuff like that But it was also like it's like as soon as I quit drinking All my kids started showing up again And you know salmon lol over living there and then they they'd they'd cycle back with the and then Bob and Max would show up and then they'd work with come back and like, okay, so he's going to be here and then Lola would show back up.

1:22:47So my house was kind of like, it was like a clubhouse, you know? And I ran the book that my vacancy signed, you know, for those children, always hangs facing out, you know? So it was, you know, being called to a much more responsible and complicated set of responsibilities and order, you know, and just having to do stuff that they didn't care about, you know, a writing of a show or a response to a movie or any popularity or IMDb, you know, stuff, they were just like, you know, with the basic needs and getting to school and help with this. And so it was really cool to suddenly just be that that's the only stuff that mattered to the people that matter the most.

1:23:41And so, and yeah, but you're right, that none of that could happen if I was away on location or having to be at a studio every week. But yeah, I think it was about the time that it created. And it's interesting that I'm not like, I'm not looking at this as a comeback, you know? Okay, I think it's a reset. I think it's a reset, you know? And I didn't rely on anything that I'd done before. Never written a book. Never done a documentary, you know? But to come back with two projects that everybody seems to be really excited about. Documentaries are very entertaining. Awesome, thanks. It's very entertaining.

1:24:33It's really well done by the way it's put together and it's just so the stories are fucking banana It's so bananas. It's the whole thing was just so nuts But you know, like I said everybody loves the story of someone getting their shit together and that's a great accomplishment of being sober for almost eight years. It really is. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, and you know, it's And people are going to yell at me because of how I deal with the AA in the book and that's fine. I just speak to my personal experiences. I'm not... How do you deal with it? That I tried it for a long time. I for a combined 21 years and just decided that I had to give this a go on my own.

1:25:19So you just do it completely on your own. You don't have any person to call or any... No, I mean there's people that that are sober that I still Right, you don't have a sponsor or something like that. I don't know now I know it does help some people of course and that's why I don't want to say that it's I'm not recommending that this is a nutter, but it's just saying your truth This is how you do it. I had a very good friend who was a alcohol could quit one day He crashed his car ran from the cops on foot got arrested and then he's like like, what am I doing in my life? I'm done. Hey, quit. Like that day.

1:26:00That day. That I never had a drink again. I knew him for 20 years. It happens. It can happen. Yeah. But I think that I do have the experience of all of that time in and around the rooms. And that's not to say that I don't still remember a couple of nuggets, a couple of things. It still stuck with me that I still thought it still see as valuable. Right. You know, but there's a line in the book that it's hard to ask for help when somebody else has raised your hand for you. You know, interventions, you hold onto a thing, you hold onto your hands, all you're doing is just counting the days. Yeah, that's the part of the documentary too when the first intervention, when you got brought into a room and everybody's sitting there waiting for you.

1:26:49You thought it was a party? Well, yeah, I mean, that's a little suspicious because it's 9 a .m. Why is that having a 9 a .m. birthday party? Right unless we're going to Magic Mountain, right? That's usually the time you leave. Right. That's easy for a seven -year -old, right? Right. Um, Yeah, no, that was wild. That is something that I can still see as it happened on the day. Really? Turning that corner in the hallway into my parents' living room and like And my brain is still trying to turn it into a birthday party. My brain, I were insisted that that's what we're there for. You know? That's funny.

1:27:27And it's just when it starts to dawn on you. Like have you ever taken a sip of something that was in the wrong bottle, but your brain saw the label. And so it takes your body. Look a half a second. Yeah, to catch up to that's not, those don't match. Those don't match. Yeah, I have a story about that, about a question telling. But yeah. So that one didn't work. It didn't work that way. You had to do it on your own. It worked for a year. It worked for a year. But then like as is in the dock, I mean, cage is house. And I'm on the anniversary, on the one year, I find that beer in his fridge. I'm like, well, that's there for a reason.

1:28:09He just caused this, he just caused this celebrate. That's not an accident. Yeah, and just didn't even think twice. Wow. Just was like, ah, finally. Boom. And now we're off to the races. We're off to the races, yeah. Wow. How did you get sober this time? I, um, I, I got off the drugs. Got off the dope, but you might say dope, that's always coke. Never heroin. There's never a heroin guy. I've been off that, geez, probably over 10 years, you know? And so, I mean, more than 10 years sitting here today. So I hadn't fucked around with any of that shit for a few years. I was just committed to drinking, you know?

1:28:56And then found that to be like the most unmanageable drug that I've ever tried to navigate. Drinking, drinking, yeah. Drinking. More than cocaine. Yeah, because there's never a time when you can't get it, you know? And when I had made the decision that I, okay, I'm just going to drink. I treated it like I did drugs, you know? Right, yeah. But it's really kind of, it's very accepted. and it's very socially ingrained. It's like it's normal. Yeah, it's always more time. Yeah, you want to smoke a joint from front of someone that might be like, hey, what's going on here? You want to have a drink and press someone completely normal.

1:29:46Everyone does it. Sure, yeah. But so, I knew the way my body was starting to react and the way I was starting to feel and just it just, I couldn't feel it how I used to, even at like really like powerful doses, you know, I just couldn't, and that got depressing. That wasn't like, I'll just drink twice as much now. That was like, damn, the thing I relied on is now just like told me, yeah, it's no honor. You're too much of a tolerance. Our relationship is now different, yeah. Yeah, and so there was a day and it's in the book, And I, you know, I was a morning drinker. I loved, you know, spiking my coffee.

1:30:40That's like for me, it was like the best time to drink. I mean, you're not gonna get shit done the rest of the day, but that's when I felt it. That's when I could still feel it was in the morning, you know? So I'm on like my third MacAllen coffee or whatever and my daughter Sam, like calls from, she's at the house and calls and says, Hey, what time are we leaving? like to go where? She had a hair appointment and it was a Sunday or a Saturday and I've never ever mixed the cops in the wheel ever. I've never had a DUI. How about that? That's awesome. That's pretty good, right? I just decided like what a long time ago, like when I was like 17, that that was more never gonna happen.

1:31:26Good for you. And I was living in a limo back then. There was, you know, the occasional cab, but these days, these days to get busted for drinking and driving with the available transportation, it is literally 15 choices in your hand. There's no excuse. And so I call Tony. I said, Tony, you know, I can't drive. You gotta help me get Sam to this thing. And so he was like, I'll be right there in 20 minutes. We got out to the appointment. It went great. And there was a moment in the car driving back. And I described it in the book. And I could see her in two mirrors, the visor and the side view. And she was just kind of sitting back there.

1:32:11And I'm not saying that I know exactly what she was thinking, but I could feel what I'm pretty sure she was. And it was just this thing about, you know, why it's, yeah, it's cool that dad did this, but why isn't dad driving again? You know, why is there always disappointment? Yeah, and it's not nothing with Tony. You know, he's been around forever and, you know, and so we got back from that. And there was something that I couldn't shake. It was something that stayed with me. Just the images of her. This little 13 year old kid in the back seat. And your dad can't even take her to, like, a bag of just a basic, just like a highway to a hair appointment.

1:32:59Like that got, that was complicated. You know? And I was like, what am I doing? And then I just sat inside, I sat inside of that for a while, because it didn't feel good. And I thought, okay, what can I do to not, Stop feeling like this. The math is pretty simple at that point. Yeah. And I wasn't going to do rehab, I wasn't going to do a big dramatic

1:33:28life turnaround. I was just going to just make a decision and stick to it. And I took a few volumes, drank a few beers, and then the next day, just woke up and said I'm done. and didn't care. I made a decision. I wasn't going to care how I felt physically. It was just going to like just grit and beer. Yeah. I wanted to take before you felt okay. About three days. The story I had written that was going to be a month was just like that that that that was fake and it was and so and then it just coincidentally that happened to be my oldest daughter Cassandra's birthday when I quit. It was December 12th, You know, it was just like, okay, that's all aligned.

1:34:15And then something else happened after that because everybody's gonna get a little squirrely. Like, the problem with, guy like me is then, and people like me, is you're able to put things back together really quickly. Right. And kind of reassemble the pieces. So you're not as scared to go off the rails. Right, right, right. And so then I got to call, this is the post, you know, I already had HIV for several years at this point, I get to call that there's a new medicine, right? This is about a month after the same thing, right? And then like, look, we want you to try this thing because it's a much smaller cocktail, it's much less toxicity and very few side effects.

1:35:06with you going to do great on it, right? They said, but you can't drink on it. The other one, you could drink a fucking face off. Like you could drink like a pirate on the other one, which they shouldn't have told me that you can. You know? And so I said, okay, great. So I tried that one and it was working great. But they said, okay, and if you can just stay off the booze, It's going to keep working the light, light, light like it is, you know? So this other thing showed up in addition to that, like, just in concert with it. So now I had a couple things going on. You know, let's keep this thing, this evil stowaway is what I like to call it.

1:35:54Let's keep that thing in the, you know, at bay. And let's rebuild every relationship that matters in your life while you're still here. Did you have a revelation after a while, after you were sober for a while, where you stop and think, why was I getting so fucked up? What was I trying to avoid, or what was I trying to enhance, or what was the purpose? What bothered me so much that I couldn't be sober? Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was more a void earlier in life, like a void, the pressures of fame, the fears of commitment or relationship or being exposed as a fucking fraud at some point, you know.

1:36:49I think that was earlier, and I think enhanced came later, that trying to just make situations just feel more exciting or cooler or more, you know, sexier or, you know what I'm saying, like, yeah. But it's interesting that you presented both sides of that, you know, avoid enhance. Yeah. Yeah, I relate to both. Yeah, I think that's a good thing to tell people too, because everybody wants to hear the drugs, like Bill Hicks had a great joke about nobody ever hears great drug stories. Right, you know, you only hear the bad ones, you know, and it is true. But the reason why people do it is because it's fun.

1:37:38Like it can ruin your life, but it's also really fun. That's why people do it. Sure, this is it's important for people to know because you don't want them to think you're lying to them You know and for them to hear you sober and happy And go okay, that's possible you can get there because this guy's admitting what getting high was You know like there's a there's a scene in the documentary where you're talking about the first time you smoke crack Where this girl's giving you a blowjob while you're smoking crack? It was like the greatest feeling of all time. Yeah, yeah I think that's important to say that hasn't been topped I Should say that I don't care.

1:38:22I don't care. Yeah, that hasn't been top have you ever heard Hunter Biden talk about crack? I haven't who's on that channel five show and He gives this ode to crack That made me want to immediately go smoke crack. There is like yeah, it's hundred buttons a very smart guy I don't think people think of him that way because of the laptop thing, but he's very intelligent. And very articulate. So when he's explaining like the effects of crack and how different it is and how incredible it is and the euphoria of it and it's like literally saying that he's like getting the itch while he's sitting there sober, talking on his sobriety, trying to keep it together.

1:39:05After all it publicly shamed for being out of control and Talent talking about crack like a lover that you lost in a drowning accident. Wow It's crazy. I get that I get that makes sense. I bet you do. There's a moment in the dark Yeah, I tell this the sandy story Yeah, and I say wow that one actually got me kind of And I could feel it yeah, yeah Yeah. That's the problem. The problem is it's great. That's the problem, yeah. The problem is, did you, I know, did you know how to, did you ever try it or no? No, I never even did Coke. Are you ever, oh, nope. Okay. No, when I was in high school, I have a good buddy of mine and his cousin was selling Coke.

1:39:50Okay. And his cousin who was super normal, I knew him forever, great guy, super cool guy. All of a sudden, he became weird and pale and lost all this weight. and it was like he got bit by a vampire and him and his girlfriend were selling Coke and they were just watch TV and do Coke Wow, and they had like this attic apartment and it was like he had gotten bit by a vampire That's how it felt like to me. I was like he just lost his whole life to Coke And then I saw some other kids that had Coke problems around me where they were just dying to get Coke And I was like this is a bad drug and back then I think it was actually Coke You know, I don't even know if they're right.

1:40:31At least they like 80 % of it. Yeah. In the 1980s, I don't know if they were cutting it with anything, but I made a decision at one point in time my life knew I don't want to have nothing to do with that one. That one seems to rob people's lives. You just stuck to that. Yeah, I just seemed to me like that one can make you a loser. And then did you roll in circles over the years where it was prevalent? Or? Yeah, I knew some people that did Coke. Never worked out well. I didn't know anybody who did Coke who like kept their life together. Everybody who did Coke was like barely together, barely hanging on, always off the rails.

1:41:06I think there's like one guy. One guy out there, some superhero. Well, they did maintain it all those years. Was Jack Nicholson. Oh yeah. I think he's the only guy. Right. I mean, do we know of anybody else? Well, they might not be public about it. Right, you know. But what about the rumors that Jack always traveled with like a doctor. Did you hear this, you heard these stories? No. No? Oh yeah, but he had a doctor that carried his Coke or distributed it. That's amazing. And only gave him just what he needed. Oh. Yeah, now I don't know. That's a little bit stah... That's a little bit stah... ...s**t right there.

1:41:44Exactly. You get a doctor with a f**kin leather satchel over to carry your Coke around. Yeah, it's just, he's just close. I'd make him wear a stethoscope everywhere you go, bro. Hashto. You need to have a step on everybody's got to know you're legit. Yeah, but that's like that's one of the great like 80s rumors about jack Funny I never heard that room or some guy that makes sense, but then you'd be around jack I was only around him a few times, but then you know it was coolest hell and you're always kind of looking like all right Who's the bag man? Who's his guy? Right? Where is he? You know or who's the bag man for that night?

1:42:16Yeah, like was it a team of doctors that rotated danger field party till the end? Yeah, he kept that trade of rolling. Yeah, he did. Down, down, down, down, down, down. We lived in the same building for a while. You in Dangerfield? No way. It's that building in the book called The Willshar on Willshar. Oh, wow. I gosh, I maybe saw him twice. I got in the elevator with him one time. And we'd seen each other out, but never really had it like an elevator moment, you know? And he goes, hey, you're a kid. How are you doing? You look great. He's like, he goes, hey, hey, he goes, look at that. Yeah, that's guys together.

1:42:54That's amazing. Wow. But in the elevator, look at Rod, he looks funny just in his photo. Just, yeah, just in the photo, you start laughing. Doing nothing. He was so good, dude. I can't tell you what happened that night. I don't know where we were. But it looks like the jacket is definitely in the circa 89 .90. The, that looks like a backstage something that's on my jacket. Right. Yeah. Probably had a poison concert or something. Perhaps. So we're in the elementary. He says, hey, kid, what do you put a regan, right? And I said, no, I'm Spanish Irish. And he says, ah, you don't know whether to start a parade or start a war.

1:43:38And it's like doors open and he just walks out. He just had that on standby or built it in the moment. He probably lived in the moment. Yeah. Yeah, and I was just like, so I can't really ever describe my heritage without hearing his voice, you know Start a parade or start a war. That's funny. Just like wow. Just left me with that goal, you know We have his handwritten notes at our comedy club. Oh, you know, yeah for one of his tonight show appearances We have his handwritten notes framed all the stuff he's gonna talk about. Okay. It's pretty cool Wow And when he when he's stick to yeah, yeah, it's like his jokes and he had like the punchlines for like Accented bold letters.

1:44:18Oh seriously. I wrote it all out darker Yeah, super organized. Yeah, super organized. Well, he'd he'd stopped doing stand -up for a long time And he was selling aluminum siding and then he made it again when he was much older in life He came back and the thing that happened was from the time he stopped doing stand -up to when he went back to have a regular job he never stopped writing jokes. Like his brain just worked that way. So he was just always writing jokes. So he was sitting on a treasure jar. Yeah. Wow. And he just fucking stormed the gates when he came back. Everybody's like, where's this guy been?

1:44:52That's amazing. Yeah. And then he became huge back to school and the Roddy Dangerfield HBO comedy specials. And it's epic. Yeah. He's one of the all -time greatest. So he came back and doing stand up. I think he was in his 40s. Got some heat again and that that activated the films. Yeah, well the standup He didn't have any heat before but when he quit You know, he was just like kind of like getting by doing all right and got a job quit Wow, I think you might have quit for 10 years Wow, yeah, and then the whole time he's writing and then he's like fuck it I got to do this and then got back into comedy.

1:45:28Wow. I hope I'm not fucking that story up But I think I'm I think I'm accurate with that But see if you can find it, make sure that's true. I'm 90 % sure that's true. But I know that he did make it until he was in his 40s. And I told this the other day, but I'll tell it again. I used to work at Greatwood Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts. I was security guy there. And I was backstage, or by the outside of the backstage. And Ron, the Dage field would go on stage completely naked with a bathrobe on. That's what he would wear. And he was wearing a bathrobe backstage with slippers and just walking around.

1:46:04I was like, this guy's wild. And they're like, he goes on stage like that. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Was it partially closed at least? Or was just wild and closed? Okay. Everybody see his dick. But if you went to the green room, you were seeing his dick. Because he's sitting there. He would just sit there as dick and be hanging out on the thing. He didn't care. He struggled financially for nine years. One port forming as a singing waiter until he was fired before taking a job selling aluminum siding in the mid -50s to support his wife and family. He later equipped so the 1960s he started reviving his career.

1:46:34Oh damn yeah, so Somewhere close to 10 years still working as a salesman by day He returned to the stage performing at hotels and the cat skills mountains But still finding minimal success. He fell into debt about $20 ,000 by his own estimate could get booked Danny Jafield came to realize what he lacked was an image well -defined on stage persona that the audience because relate to one that would Distinguished him from other comics after being shunned by some premier comedy venues He returned home where he began developing a character for whom nothing goes right. Isn't that crazy? Wow Oh look at this during Roy's comeback bid who's Roy?

1:47:16When he was 19 he was Jack Roy Dangerfield Oh, wow. What are you? Is that checking in hotels from now on? Wanted to distinguish himself from long time patrons who might have remembered him from the 1940s Roy asked club owner George McFadden to change his name. He came up with Roddy Dangerfield. Wow, he didn't want people to remember him as Jack Roy from back in the day. He didn't like his old act. Wow. Wow. He said, I don't know where it came from. Make Faden may have taken it from the Jack Bandy program on NBC radio which first used Roddy Dangerfield as a Characters name in 1941 Ricky Nelson also used the suit to men suited them in a 1962 episode of the Adventures of Ozzy and Harriet Wow, that's crazy

1:48:13Wow, that's when he popped again. That's amazing. That's nuts. Wow. Go get him. Yeah Yeah. Maybe he didn't know whether to start a parade or start a war. Yeah. He was a fun guy. I knew a lot of people knew him. I didn't get a chance to meet him. I saw him once at the Lafactor. Ran into him. I said, hi, but that was it. Did you really got a chance to talk to him? So you didn't have a moment. Yeah, a moment. OK. Yeah. He was just leaving the stage. He was outside. And he had some hot milk with him. Awesome. Thank you. You go, Rodney. Why not? Why not? It was probably his wife. His wife is who donated us these handwritten notes and also the photograph of them too.

1:49:00It's pretty cool. There's a few guys like that that, you know, without them, you always wonder like, where would comedy be? Like where would it ever turn up? Like so many people like prior and him and Lenny Bruce, so many people just like changed everything. Carlin. Yeah. So many people just chained, Kinesen. Sure. They changed the whole thing. But Dangerfield was one of the rare ones that introduced new comics to people. Like those, that's where everybody found out about Kinesen. So everybody found out about Dice Clay, Dime Arrera, Lenny Clark. All these guys Robert Chimble, they all started out on the Rodney Dangerfield HBO comedy specials.

1:49:41Wow. Yeah. So he would have, like, he would have his favorite comedians. He would just have like a show where he would like introduce his favorite comedians, but he'd have to scout them at the clubs He would go see him. He'd just go out and he had his own club in New York City. Okay, okay Yeah, wow, but he was you know, he was interested in promoting comedy too You know, just a fucking amazing guy It's such a cool moment you had with him And I can see it. I mean, it's like it's there's nothing tricky about that memory, you know What was it like being with your dad while he was filming Apocalypse Now?

1:50:21It was a lot of that in the book. How old was it? I went there as a 10 -year -old. Yeah, I had my 11th birthday there. It's been a combined total of eight or nine months there. That was going back and forth.

1:50:42It wasn't just another country. There was another planet. You know, we'd seen, you know, different parts of the world traveling with him, you know, Mexico, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, places like that, you know. But then you get to the Philippines and it was just, you just got a sense that, wow, this is all going on at the same time that we've been in Malibu, like, right. You know, having fun and just doing cool shit and so you visit a place like that and getting the middle of it and engage in this entirely just a new, such a surreal reality. And then oh, wait a minute, they're here to make a movie and it's about a film that It's about a film about a war that barely ended like a year ago, right?

1:51:42Yeah. 14 months ago when it was a sci -gonfall, it was 75. Right? I think so. Yeah, and it was like right at the tail end of it. And so, yeah, it was, you know, we were able to do enough stuff like recreationally, You know, there was a lake and you could water ski, you could fish. You could do those kind of things if you didn't want to go to the set with dad. But once you went and saw the set where dad was, you didn't give a fuck about water sports or fish or anything because what they'd built and what they were trying to create was mind -blowing. because, you know, Coppola built Kurtz's compound out of practical materials.

1:52:33It wasn't like, you know, like plaster covered chicken -wired rebar. These were like, you know, two -toned boulders. Yeah. They brought in and started stacking in the jungle. And, you know, then a lot of it was, it started sinking. Couldn't build a foundation in a riverbank, right? Right. But then just a mix of people and the talent and Dennis Hopper and Brando and DeVal and then just it was, every day felt completely unique. There was no, you'd go to the set and you were going to see something completely different than what you saw the day before. It was wild. Wow. Yeah, and I gravitated towards this gentleman named Fred Blau, who I mentioned in the book.

1:53:27He was the key makeup artist, you know, FX guy. And so he was building all the prosthetics for all the carnage you see in the movie. You know, so I'd walk into a shop and there's be arms and legs and heads and But I knew it was all fake, you know, as a 10 -year -old when you start seeing how it's made and and you know, so so Gore Or I think I write in the book, was never... Goring movies was never emotional. It was technical. But still kept me really curious about how it was done. And just the artisans behind it that could create those effects. How long were you over there for? A total of eight months.

1:54:12Maybe nine. Yeah. It was three years old. At ten years old. And then maybe for it first and then we went back and then dad has the heart attack and then we went back and stayed for like another four four months. Yeah so Yeah, it was and people say so you know grown up on sets You must have liked dreamed about being an actor and I'm like yeah until I got to the set then almost killed my dad You know that's not a job. You're just gonna like wrap your arms around and say when can I start? You know, yeah But it also, just the scope of the filmmaking was really exciting. I didn't really understand it as a 10 or 11 -year -old.

1:55:03But I knew there was something about it that required a much closer look. and I had a very keen interest in just, you know, what would it take to like build this reality, this fake reality, oh, but wait, the subject is based in reality, but everything else around it is fake. So, that's a very strange experience for a 10 -year -old. It is, yeah. Such a grand scale. Exactly. When it becomes what apocalypse now became. Right because it was like a culturally defining moment. Yeah, I mean it was in it's a movie that It kind of eclipses All other war movies it does it really does yeah, I don't I don't think there's been a film like it before or since I Think no it's a true masterpiece.

1:56:01It really is yeah, and and and there's no computers There's nothing generated. It's all had to be there on the day. And when you watch that, you know, when Kilgur takes the beach head, that chopper assault, I mean, when you look at just what they committed to to bring that to the screen, it's just, it's impossible. And then you see some of the documentary stuff about, he was like, those were on loan from on the Philippine Army and then like midday, they had to go fight the rebels somewhere else and they told Francis, we gotta leave now with the choppers and he's like, I have 18 cameras set up.

1:56:42The whole, the river is filled with bombs, where are you going? We'll see you tomorrow. Stuff like that, yeah. Wow. Pretty wild. Yeah. But that must have like, for you like to eventually become an actor in platoon, that had to be kind of surreal. How does that happen? Right. How does that happen? How does it happen 11 years later? Yeah. Yeah, or 10. Yeah. Yeah, because I did it in the end of the 20. Right. Yeah. So how do I go back to the same country? 10 years later. 10 years later, with the same subject, right? Right. Nair rate the fucking thing. And then it's elevated to be on par with the one that's dead.

1:57:31that one of the only films that gets mentioned in the same breath as the apocalypse now when it comes to war films. Yeah, yeah. I'm a much bigger fan of apocalypse than Platoon and that is primarily about just the scope and the complication and just what, you know,

1:57:52difficult factor. Yeah. Difficulty factor. Well, it took forever, yeah. How many years did it take? It was like eight or nine years, right? It, I don't know when Francis conceived it. It came out in 79. I think it, did it come out in August of 79? How many, let's just Google, how many years is it? August 79. How many years did it take to make apocalypse now? Because I think it went way over budget. Oh it did. Oh yeah. And by today's standards, That's like a Fox Searchlight budget. You know? And Lawrence Fishburn was like, what? How old was he? He started the film at 14. But... And it came out in 1979.

1:58:43Originally due to be released on Copa's 38th birthday of April 77. So it took two extra years. Wow. So when did the project start? I mean, varying times of discussions. Casting started February 76 when Steve McQueen dropped out. So it's not as many years I thought it was. They shot with Harvey Kytel for a few weeks as Willard. Did you know that? No. Yeah. Yeah. And then Francis did just what he made the wrong choice. I was doing it, you know, whatever he could, but Francis just sought differently and had met dad during the Godfather auditions and said, let me meet with Marty. Wow. You can tell people that they don't really know my dad that well calling Marty.

1:59:36I run into people on the street and they're like, hey, give Marty my best. And I'm like, when the fuck is Marty? People call him Martin. No. They know him better. You know, well people that pretend to know someone always like to throw a Y on the end of it makes it Just tight interesting, you know, yeah, so I would be like Chucky You're still Charlie right, but I would be like Joey Joey Yeah, I could never think of you as a Joey Yeah, no, but but imagine this with the apocalypse that so I spend that much time There's all that shit that happened I even brought home like props and things, you know severed hands and if a guy jewelry and all this cool shit right and all these great stories and then didn't have anything Tangible to back any of it.

2:00:24I mean mom took a lot of photos, but like nobody could go to the theater Right and then see oh yeah trolley talked about that. Oh, yeah, he was there that day Right, we had to wait and when you're that age, you know waiting two or three years like waiting a decade, right? So that was that was kind of a trip But when I saw it at the center of an dome in 70 millimeter, you know, and it's like, man, when those choppers, when you hear them, you hear just, they're all around you. A film will never open like that again and have that kind of an impact. I mean, did you see it at the dome when you first saw it?

2:01:04No, no. I don't remember where I first saw it. First saw it, I think, on a regular TV at home. Oh, shit, okay. You know, because I was too little to watch it in 79, so what it was, maybe I saw it when it came out on HBO or something like that for the first time. When I really got into it was when I got a home theater and I got surround sound and I got a apocalypse, a redo. The apocalypse now redo, the newly mastered one. Got it, okay. It's fucking sensational. So you finally had that experience. Yeah, yeah. God, yeah. So good. I was like, this movie is wild. It's so well done. And it's just so epic.

2:01:47Like for you to have been there live while they were putting that together and then to see it all piece together. I mean, that had to be an insane experience. Well, and a lot of it was a surprise seeing it on the screen because like I talk about in the book, not so much in the doc, It was hard to get close to the action on apocalypse Because the way the sets were constructed because of the way, you know, Francis had everything lit It was super claustrophobic like in you know, Curtis temple and compound and places like that and And it was also fucking dangerous to be on that set, right? You know, I'm saying snakes and shit And yeah, I'm just like a lot of weird people and so, yeah, Francis was just like, come one, come all, you know?

2:02:35Wow. But, yeah, so then, it's like I wasn't there for any, any of the chopper assault. I was, I could see Hopper at a distance in that outfit with those cameras walking with that. I couldn't hear what he was saying. So to then see that scene where, you know, Dad first steps off the boat at the compound and opera's an incredible monologue. You know, you got the cigarette, and that's what I'm in dreaming about. And it's just like, so to have that kind of, that to have been there that long and still be, a completely fresh cinematic experience was a trip. Did you ever get in post -or syndrome like when you were doing platoon?

2:03:19Did you ever get like, how the fuck am I here? Because it's so quick, between you being 10, being in the jungle while they're filming, Apocalypse Now, do you starring in platoon? Had you settled into that, or were you ever like, how the fuck do I deserve this? One of the things that John Kreyer says in the documentary, right? He might be around to zone. It's very insightful. Yeah, it's very insightful. Yeah, he said that you probably feel like you don't deserve all this, so you fuck it all up. Sure, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. But and then I had a comment some interview the other day and I said well what the fuck John You could have like laid that on me like you know a couple decades sooner man Great advice however a little late.

2:04:10Yeah Yeah, but you can't tell anybody that they have to kind of figure it out. They do but the thing about Platoon and when it happened And the good news is that I had done enough film work, not like super memorable films except maybe parts of Red Dawn, I think are pretty memorable. Just what the film was, what it stood for, what it was about. I think parts of Bueleur were kind of memorable first Bueleur, right? Sure. But, yeah, so it was just sort of getting more comfortable in front of a camera, more comfortable sort of being able to think on film and actually breathe on film. I know that sounds kind of like actor -smactory, but it's actually a thing.

2:04:59Because you're going to talk about controlling your breath in every other area of life. Sure. Right? Yeah. And the same is true as an actor. Yeah, for sure. even doing the show, even doing two and a half for that first scene. I was usually off, I was usually like about to make an entrance from somewhere and I'd be back there and change smoke and I'm, you know, a mobile rad and just trying to figure out the first scene. But then when you hear the, you know, the stage go quiet, right? Someone else, you know, speeding sound market. And then if I could get that last breath to go to the bottom, I knew this first take was going gonna be awesome.

2:05:37When the breath stopped about like at the sternum, I was fucked. Shallow breath. Yeah. Yeah. Then you can't, then you're chatin' the thing. And then, yeah, and then that first take is just a pancake, which sucks because that's the first time the audience is gonna see it. Right. I kinda want that one to be, you know, if there's a cute girl in the crowd, that's the one you want her watching. Yeah. Not the second one where she's already heard the fucking jokes. Right. And I just don't want whatever. Right. Now you're like, oh, this shows sucks. Exactly. Yeah. Though live performance thing is weird because they don't really do it anymore.

2:06:11I mean, I don't think there's very many shows that still do that kind of a sitcom in front of a live audience. Oh, the cameras. There's very few. I think Tim Allen's show still does. What is that on? Is that on Fox? I think it's ABC. It's got the one. Yeah. So he still does a traditional multi -camera. Yeah, because a lot of guys. Guy worked with front of mind is on that writing staff. God, these to be all over the television. I know. These to be tons of them. Oh, I think Chuck's new show on Netflix.

2:06:46It's called Leanne Lorraine Shit. Leanne. Yeah. I think that's a live audience. You know, okay. So they're still doing some of them. Yeah, they're fun. It's fun when it works, you know? Yeah, it's like it's it's a missing genre in today's culture. You're right. You see the most of what was on late at night Exactly at nighttime when you got done having dinner. Yeah, sit down and watch friends Or you sit down and watch sign fell or two and a half man or You know comfort. Yeah. Yeah, yeah sure Yeah, we my family binge watched a big bank theory. I never watched it when it was on the air We binge watched it.

2:07:27There is like it's a good fucking show. Yeah, they were funny show. I dismissed it I was like, ah it's corny sitcom bullshit. It's good show right on solid show right on yeah that kid Kid that that young man. Yeah Jim right had some of the most complicated dialogue that anybody's ever been saddled with ever Yeah, he's the first autistic star of an action show of us. I come there you go. Yeah, yeah, where you kind of celebrating his emotional disconnection. Yeah, but delivering it like like rainman, you know, and just with the laser. Laser precision. Yeah, it's a really well written show. It's very funny.

2:08:07That guy Chuck Loris, how many fucking hits? That guy's had a ton of hits. Yeah, maybe more than anybody. Probably. Probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, they were friends again. Yeah, so am I. So am I. No, that sucked having that out there. You know, I did finally actually remember that fucking thing and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, yeah. It's the other component to that freaking tour to that melt -hound of that thing. There was a moment when I was only in rehab for like, I don't know, three weeks or a month. It wasn't like one of those extended stays. It was just like a quick little, like a spindry, whatever they call it.

2:08:51But, and I got the call, we want to renegotiate the giant contract for season eight and nine, you know? And I was on the phone, I said, I don't think so. And they're like, what, you don't think you're going to get paid? I'm like, no, I don't think we should do it. I think seven is like, you know, mantle war seven, some other cool sevens, you know? I don't think, I think seven is like plenty. I think we've told all the stories that we can mind from that Malibu house on the beach with those people. You know, like, not on your own. I mean, this is when it all, like, this is when it turns into like a legacy play for your fucking kids and their kids.

2:09:30And then the part they always leave out is an, an arc cut. Yeah. And our fucking cut. Yeah, that's the big part. Yeah, and I, yeah. And I sat on the phone and Mark and I have talked about that. Talk to me on Mark Berg, my manager. I said, Mark, if I go back there, man, it's gonna go really fucking bad. I just know it. He's like, well, you're projecting that. I said, I'm not projecting shit, man. I'm just smart enough to know how I feel about it now. I got a little bit of clarity in this month. I'm in the thing. I said, if I go back there, I just, I got a bad feeling, Mark. Why going back to work would send you off the rails?

2:10:12just that I had run up against the thing that I had lost passion for the show and lost passion for the process. Okay, so that if you went and just did it just for the money, you would find some ways to stimulate yourself. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, then I would have to do something to enhance. I said that about a lot of guys that got caught on shows that sucked. I knew a lot of guys who got caught on shows where they were getting paid, but they did did not like the show and it was like a bad sitcom and those guys all went crazy. Those guys all started doing a lot of drugs or they started spending too much money or something.

2:10:52They did something to distract themselves because they did not like what they were doing and they didn't feel satisfied. But they were getting so much money. They were like, what am I going to do? I'm getting $100 ,000 a week. I'm like, oh God. Yeah. What do you do? You can't quite. I was making 54 ,000 an hour. That's pre -taxes. So was I. I said no to season eight and nine. I'd be like, do I have to wear a dress? Right? Well, I'll work. What do I have to do? I'm more danger fields of row, but that's why I believe. Let's go. No, but that was after I got kind of crowbar into it. Why not crowbar?

2:11:31I had to ultimately say yes. I got out on that. You know, but it was just I was just the wrong guy in that moment in that pocket of time to like Give that much fucking money to a man, right, you know Right, right, right and like I buy a bunch of cars and then invite a bunch of girls over and then just say pick one And then you did that other thing where you had that other show after that that you got paid like a ton of money in advance for right? You talking about anger management. Yes No, it's supposed to get, it was called a 1090. Yeah, it was like, how do they suck you into that? Is they say, look, you're not going to get a ton on the front side, but you're going to be, you're going to own a third of the show.

2:12:20We are like 40, 37, 38 % of the show in perpetuity. So we're going to do a hundred episodes and it's the South Park model. That was the first 1090 that really just blew it up and everybody got fucking rich. So you do these 10 episodes, you do a 10 episode pilot. And then if you hit, if the average number of those 10 episodes comes in at like, I don't know, like above a four or like a five one or something that is like a share, right? Then it activates the next 90. And then you're doing those 90 to have a sellable syndication package that will just go all over the world and do what syndicated sitcoms do.

2:13:10And so you've done it and when you say not a lot on the front side, you're still getting a buck 50 an app, 200 that's pretty good money, right? But it's not, but you kind of, you kind of eat it on that side knowing that it's an investment for the other thing to pay gangbusters. So did you guys, you did the 10 episodes and then you got to do all of them? Yes. So you want to do it 100? Yes. But you did them in a short period of time. Two and a half years. I know, I know. That's crazy. I was not ready to go back to work. Yeah. And that's the thing I talked about in the book. the only reason I did was because I wanted to show those guys across town that I was horrible again.

2:13:51Right, right, right. And that is not any mindset to like lead the troops. And it, you know, again, it started pretty cool. And did the tan. It was great. You know, doing some pretty good work and the shows were smart and funny. And then we got into that nine. It was about, it was about 20. No, what am I saying? is probably like nine or 11 into it. I started feeling exactly the same shit that I felt going past that point. I knew my enthusiasm and passion had had a had an expiration date. He couldn't manufacture it. I tried but I couldn't I didn't I didn't like the show enough you know I love the people I was working from the writers crew to the actor, they were terrific.

2:14:44You didn't like the final product? I didn't, yeah, and I stopped caring. But I still had enough dough to keep the lifestyle and all that other fun shit going on. And just stayed way too fucking high to really engage in this thing. I mean, I was doing this thing, Joe, where I was partying, you know, hitting the fucking pipe, either girls are porn or both or whoever showed up, yeah, fucking, hey, come on in, come on in. There's plenty to go around. And then there's this thing, I think I felt like I was time traveling from like 1 a .m. to like 7. We felt like 11, I don't know, 15 minutes. Whereas, you know, nine to midnight felt normal.

2:15:33Wow, we plenty of time to do everything. And then like the the hours I really needed to like be you know settling and enjoy Those just vanished and then you back to work. No, I got someone banging on my fucking door Do you lay with the fuck and I'm still fucking sideways? Wow So I'd pop a couple shots or like half a Xanax or something and I said I just need and I would literally do this thing It was a 15 minute 20 minute nap Where I would just hit the pillow I try to meditate with a body just vibrating from crack all night Trying to meditate at that point. I'm trying to fucking time travel. I'm trying to levitate right?

2:16:12But I could feel okay I've generated some calmness like then then I would hit the shower and I would be in the shower and I'd say okay I only have to navigate from this shower to the next shower and that's about 11 maybe 12 hours. It was a shower to shower. Remember that commercial like in the 70s wasn't there fucking like a deodorant or something called shower to shower Yeah, look at that. It's all meant to it from one shower to the next. Yeah, yeah, so I'm trying to last from one shower to the next man No shit and then but I'd get to work and then have that midday drop off and I wasn't hitting the pipe at work But I needed to keep some some fuel in the engine So I'd be you know, I start drinking and then and man, people look at sitcoms and they're like, oh, they're out there having a fun time.

2:17:02Man, it is super fucking complicated. Well, you've done them, right? It's like a dance, isn't it? It's like a choreographed thing. And so it is hard enough to do well, completely focused and with all your shit intact, right? You start getting over here and trying to be that specific, just with marks, with jokes, with timing, with other people. And then a lot of my energy is going to try to disguise like the condition I'm really in, you know, and try to make excuses. Right. Oh, I had a med mix up today. Med mix up. I'm on two pills or the same fucking thing at the same time every day. There's no med mix up, you know?

2:17:50Right. It's like, what are we doing? And so yeah, and then that turns into that thing we just then they start getting behind and I would just be like, I'll just sorry for the overtime. I'll just pay for it and You know, they should they should have not taken the money. They should have said we're shutting down. You need to fucking Go go go get well or go get just a little better than what you're showing up as and So that show kind of never really had a chance to be anything really anything special you know because I didn't I didn't I didn't really care about it and the thing that sucks about that looking back it's like think about all the energy and the hard work that all those other people put into it and committed to it because I said yes right you know and there's also there's a bunch of people that were rooting for you because they they saw what happened with two and a half men it was a big public disaster you leave is his career ruined oh no look he's got another show oh Charlie's back but did anybody even say okay so hold on what did he do between that that you know after that last swan dive into the volcano that we all watched and then he's on the he's back he's on another show like what did he do between then and there well the narrative on you was there's an outsider was that you're one of the rare guys who could party like that but still pull it off and have a career.

2:19:17Right. And I think your ex -wife said that that she never worried about you. You would always land on your feet. Because you were very talented. You were also very loved. Thank you. Thank you. Which is one of the reasons why people embraced you when you were talking about how much crack you were doing. When you were saying all that, there were a man at you. Yeah, like he's fucking partying, you know, it was a very odd time where so many people who don't admit that they party, you know, because of their job or because of whatever, you know, they try to like keep it hot, you know, hidden under under wraps and you are doing a live interview with this lady and you're talking to her about smoking rocks and she was flabbergasted, like you could tell.

2:20:03She did not expect that kind of candor. Right with the discussion of illicit drugs, right? It was just like Nobody ever done that before was he asked. I mean, nobody ever embraced it Right, right, right, right everybody else is like well, you know, it's a terrible time in my life. I was I got so low I was doing crack cocaine right right right right comes from a place of shame Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you didn't have any shame I didn't know because I'd watch something like a couple days before I sat down with Andrew canning And it was this old interview with Charlie Gibson on some special they did for ABC, right?

2:20:40I don't even think it wasn't a GMA piece. It was like a more in depth One of those exposés they do, you know, and it was me coming out of rehab And I remember watching myself and just being such a I was like that guy's a fucking sissy man That guy's a fucking pussy. What's wrong with him? Look at him all that shame a lot embarrassment like no No, we're not doing that anymore. So that that got locked in. Oh Yeah, I remember how I I just remember I felt watching me doing it their way. Yeah. No, no, no. And then I got the brain full of, you know, fucking nuclear crazy cream that I'm on fucking, you know, covering myself in.

2:21:21And that's what two K's, that's like the donuts. And yeah, man, and you know where the material came from, right? Those slogans and all that stuff. No. Was Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys? No, the Brian Wilson picture for the Giants, the guy they called the beard. Oh. Yeah. I was on the phone with him like the date, a couple days before that, because Tony and I, Tony Todd and I were watching baseball highlights and I'm like, wow, this guy's a fucking trip. Tony, get him on the phone, right? The next day I'm on the phone with him. I think he was just trying to give me a pep talk. He was like, hey man, just know that guys like us, you know, we're not, we're not, we're not like everybody else.

2:22:00You know, we're, we're different, man. We got we got you know we got Tiger blood running through our veins. We got fucking a Donna's DNA. We got You know we're we we don't know how to lose man because we're always fucking winning right so I hear all this and he's probably thinking cool Man, I just kind of inspired him maybe just to get to the next moment. Yeah, that stuff went in there man and I stayed on a fucking loop and I sat down and And the interview doesn't start like that, which is a trip. I'm trying to keep it together. I'm trying to give her the stuff she needs to like maybe, I don't even know what was the thrust of that story?

2:22:39Being fired or some shit or whatever. So, but there's a moment that's not on film. And Andrew can't deny this. She makes a crack about these two girlfriends that I'm living with, right? And expects me to just like, like let it just, you know, brush it off and then answer her next question. And I said, hold on a second. I said, that was really rude. She's like, which part? I'm like, what, what you just, how you just address them? You owe them an apology. And she was like, okay, I'm paraphrasing some of this, right? But then this is kind of, this is the tone of it. And so, how did she address them?

2:23:22I felt that they were dismissed as just like porn checks. Because one was a porn check. The other was not. It's going to be natties. So she kind of got rolled into that unfairly. And so then they, you know, Andrew's like, oh my God, okay, you know, I'm sorry. I didn't mean anything by that. But I'm over here with the thing and I'm not letting it go. I asked to apologize. We should have been past it. Now I'm stewing. I'm wrapped up now. Yeah, and that's when it turned. And then I start hearing Brian's stuff. And I'm like, I don't know, man, I'm a fucking tire blind. And then it all just, and then it got away from me.

2:24:17I couldn't pull it back. I couldn't pull it back. And then everybody's like, okay, well, that was different. It was kind of fucking interesting and unique and whatever, man. Well, let's just have a quiet night and we'll see how that plays out. And I wake up into a world of, not the world I said goodnight to six hours earlier. And my friends are banging on the door. or people are, you know, sent me videos and stuff. And he's like, dude, the fucking, the world's on fire with your shit, man. I'm like, all right, what does that mean? And there's like, there's folk songs and rap songs. People like marching in the streets.

2:25:01And there's already T -shirts and it's just, it's just gone, it exploded. Yeah. And so it's not like I could jump on my roof with a bull horn. It's all right, everybody. Okay, let's just, you know, You and everybody's were saying they had tiger blood. They were joking around about see yeah, I mean It got away for it penetrated. Yeah, yeah, I'd achieve penetration Well, no one had ever done an interview like that before I did I didn't I yeah I Wasn't thinking about that in the moment. I was just fucking pissed and I wasn't gonna be the Sissy Charles from the 90s. It was like this whole convergence of all these elements and all these emotions and all these feelings.

2:25:52And also the resentment I had in myself, and just like, all right, I'm just gonna pick some targets.

2:26:02And what have been nice had it been sort of, If I could have just sort of been hurted, just kind of away from it. Have you ever thought of what your life would be like if you didn't do that interview? I've started to. No, I've started to try to walk into that village, right? But as soon as I take a look around, none of it really makes sense because it's, I can't really imagine it. You know, what do you think it would, I mean, what would, it's hard to kind of even put those pieces together. I wonder if you would ever would have gotten sober. Interesting. You mean, today's sober, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:26:51You might have had to have that complete chaos, tail spin, free fall crash publicly. To just eventually like gather your shit together there you go, okay. Right. All right. Time to learn and grow. Right. Obviously that wasn't smart. Let's do it differently. Right. Let's get it together and step by step, day by day and look, you're YAR, almost nine years later. Almost eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a, you always wonder, like maybe you have to have, that was your rock bottom moment, and it was public, you know? So the whole world got to see it. I got full cleanse. Yeah. Yeah, just purging of all of it.

2:27:36And, you know, and still you have to battle with this reinforcement, because now everybody is loving the fact that, you know, you're winning and that, you know, you're talking about how much crack you smoke and how crazy it is and you got all these hot girls and everyone's like, he's winning. He's winning. And so now there's no incentive at all to get healthy, which is kind of nuts. And not only that, financially, you're kind of, it kind of helps you to be like a little off the rails. And so you're kind of known for that, you know? Like, and then you have this big tour, and everybody's coming out to see you.

2:28:12Right. Yeah. Which was crazy for you to do. Like, the first one where you did it without comedians was just bananas. Yeah, it was a complete train wreck. Yeah. It was a disaster. But you guys pulled it together, and that was like kind of the story of like, your career when things have fallen apart, people want you to pull it together. Even though you have that disaster show and everybody knows it's disaster show. People are still coming out to see the other ones. Right, right, right. Yeah. I had an option after the Detroit massacre of flying to Chicago or taking the bus, the tour bus, right? And I said, I need those seven or eight hours on the bus.

2:28:57And they're like, why? It's like I'm gonna rewrite the entire show. And I think, I think Nanny was on that trip. I think maybe Rick, I don't know, Shady was on. Anyway, and I just, I just, there was a place, you know, room in the back. And I just kind of barricaded myself with a pad of paper and a pen and just went to town. And just sort of started trying to reshape it. And when I got to Chicago, they were expecting all the special effects we needed from that garden, you know, all that garbage. And I said, we traveled with none of it. I said, here's the new show. They were like, you sure about this?

2:29:29I'm like, just trust me. And unfortunately, that's the night where it got applauded and kept the train on the tracks. Or Chicago, you know. But did they do that? We're gonna have to wear with all, like in the middle of all that, and they still had enough something, enough of that thing to just, maybe that's just pride at that point. Certainly, that's the impact of public humiliation. Like, thank you. Yeah. Enough. How about that? Time to get this back on track. Yeah. And it was just, it was, the curtain comes up and there's two chairs. And I have a moderator. And it's just a conversation. Imagine that.

2:30:13Yeah. You didn't reinvent anything. No. And I wrote a letter as what it was. was, um, dear Chicago. And it's like this whole thing, you know, including them. Um, and, and yeah, so I got them, I kind of got them back on my side. And then we sat down. Yeah. And then when people realized also you were figuring this tour thing out on the fly. Yeah. Yeah. It was, essentially, it was 21 cities in like 24 days with no act. That's what it was, man. And so I know you had Jeff Ross himself. And Jeff Ross, yeah. Who's great at that, a master at Off the Cuff. Wow, he showed up and really, yes, perfect guy for that.

2:30:59He put a shape on it. Yes. And then you had Russell and some of them too, right? Yes. Who's also a master at Off the Cuff. Yes, and he was so relieved that the two chairs had shown up. Cause that's when he joined us in Canada. Yeah. Now he was terrific. Yeah, I wrote this one. Yeah. You know the first night sitting with him? Some dude, like what's like the Canadian version of like a quarter? What's their dollar? Alunio, okay. But that's a dollar. I think so. Okay. Is that the heavy one? Yeah, someone threw it at him. No, at me. Oh. Like we're in the chair for maybe five minutes and I get from the balcony.

2:31:40I get hit with one right here. Oh. And it just, it was like getting punched, but like someone with a skinny metal hand, you know? And I just had to, I had to kind of pause into that and they got the guy thrown out, but I just thought, wow, I could have lost an eye. Yeah. A russle could have lost an eye. And it was just like, wow, all right. That's also pretty good shot. Really good shot. Guy throws a loony from the balcony, he hits in the head, that's impressive. It is. Because that's not an aerodynamic thing. It's not. No, you throw them out. You have to kind of factor in. Yeah. It's a lot of flipping them in the air.

2:32:20Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like a boomerang or something. Yeah, it's a Frisbee. It's a Frisbee. It's a Frisbee. Yeah. So anyway, so there were just moments like that that I guess just a little cosmic reminders that not everybody was on my side. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Which is important too. Hey, can I hit the bathroom? Yeah, yeah. We couldn't actually wrap it up. We're getting close. Okay. You want to wrap it up? We just touch on a couple things before we do Is that cool? Okay, cool Should we bring this up? I guess we have to So this just happened we just found out that Charlie Kirk got shot It's fucking awful and is he dead?

2:33:03That's what was just one of the guys out there just said Okay, in the in the lobby was just I was looking I've been looking I haven't seen anything that's confirmed

2:33:14Whoa. Murder for having a different opinion from somebody else. Yeah. Different ideology from somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Beliefs that didn't align. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Rest in peace. Fuck. Jesus. Twenty seven years old. Maybe thirty. Do they even have a suspect? I don't know. Well, that's why I don't I'm literally trying to check it all on Twitter and it's all Fuck nobody deserves you didn't deserve that nobody deserves that

2:33:53So so Were you saying that MSNBC had a crazy take on it? What was their take? I'm literally just reading Twitter So I didn't see the video. I just saw people talking about tweets of it. I'll pull it up

2:34:11Fuck. And even now they could have taken it down. It was a tweet or a video? I'm doing the show while I'm trying to figure it out. Right, no I understand. I think they were alive on the air and people clipped that they were talking about. It's not a tweet, it's not on their Twitter account or anything. So it's someone's hot take. I'm like so. And the live in the moment. Yeah, that's a crazy take. Crazy take is that what was the take that they deserved it? That's why I didn't want to pair. There you go.

2:34:51They've ported my reposted. You found it right here. Put it. Shooting like this happens. You can put the headphones on. Yeah, again, I'm just as what you just emphasize. We don't know any of the full details of this that we don't know if this was the support or shooting their gun off. in celebration or so we have no idea about that's what that's what the crazy thing was oh that's it Yeah, that if it was a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration What? Someone shot their gun off in celebration and killed him. Yeah, you shoot celebration guns in the air Just what a crazy take like it might not have been someone assassinating someone for the wrong opinion Oh fuck Why is something about have to be spun?

2:35:36their ideology. No, I know what I'm saying. I mean, they want to try to pin it on a Trump supporter with a crazy Trump supporter with a gun. Right. Go on wacky. We don't know if it was a supporter shooting off a gun in celebration because you know, they do a lot of folks are just constantly out there shooting off guns at large gatherings in celebration. Yeah. For the July, I can't leave your house. What the fuck? No, that is, that's a, wow. There's going to be a lot of people celebrating this. It's so scary. It's so dangerous to celebrate or to, in any way, encourage this kind of behavior from human beings.

2:36:17It's not a violent guy who's talking, talking to people on college campuses. Wasn't even particularly rude. He's tried to be pretty reasonable with people. Everything I saw seemed reasonable. Very intelligent guy. Yeah. You know whether you agree with him or don't and there's a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with them on That's fine. You're allowed to disagree with people without celebrating the fact they got shot You can't disrespect his passion. Yeah, well you're supposed to do with a guy like that if you're opposing him is Debate him right have a conversation where your your argument is more compelling than his sure That's what people should be celebrating discourse, you know, we used to do that do some homework and and bring it to the table.

2:36:58Yeah Yeah. It's horrible. It's horrible. This podcast has been a lot about violence, man. It has. We're not this kind. No. I'm sorry. Not something so in the moment right now from someone, this current, current that we see and are aware of daily, right? Yeah, I mean he's one of those young influencers, right? This time from the right who is all over social media, always doing these various shows and debating people, talk to people and giving speeches and sure. Yeah, no one deserves this, folks. No one that has different opinions, no one deserves that. No, this is horrible. No. But I know people are going to celebrate it because this is a fucked up time and people have really fallen into this trap of us against them.

2:38:04But it's also going to make people not want to be as courageous or not want to be as forthright with the things they believe. It's going to put people on guard. It could. It could also could. It could do the opposite. I get that, but there's also going to be that sort of ingrained thing now. You're correct. And you know, and just going through the whole New York thing, I just, you know, sometimes you're, you know, there's a crowd and it's all love. It's all love and all they want is, you know, is you're singing a true or a photo or this and that. But there's so much of those moments where you're spent looking down.

2:38:42You're looking down the entire time. And I don't think anybody wants to shoot me. I don't think that's kind of out in the world, right? No. But it's just it's the type of shit that just lives in in the back of one's mind. Yeah, because How could it not how could it not and then the thing like today? And you're like okay, that that's why it's and it's in it's in the back of our minds. Yeah, you know Well, it's you know when we were talking about assassinations earlier whether it's Kennedy or RFK or you know You think of them in the past you think of them like like when something happens in the current, like right now with this one with Charlie Kirk, it doesn't seem real.

2:39:26It seems very surreal. It does. It does. It seems like it's going to take a long time before we reference this as something that happened. Like, oh, remember he got shot and killed. Oh yeah. Like right now it doesn't seem real. It seems so crazy that just it's not registering. It's not. No.

2:39:50Is he a friend? No, I met him once. I met him once at a gun range of all places. Wow. Yeah. He was a nice guy when I met him. Wow. That's a fucked up time. People are so divided in this country. So divided and there's so many people that love it. They love that we're divided and they profit off that division and they stoke the fires And they do it for their own profit and it's so fucking gross It's so gross and to encourage this kind of thing is really One of the most horrific things that you could do after someone dies horribly like this is celebrating It's it's it's it's it's on it's on a should be a wake -up call for everybody about it like this is nuts.

2:40:47No, it's not, it's unforgivable that that to spend things like that. And because the people they're never thinking about is, is that person's family? I think they just know, that's just like default with those, they gaslight you by default. Right. So immediately they try to find some reason why the, whatever the thing is, it's in the news is someone else's fault. Right. Of course. It's just all gaslighting. And that's what they're paid to do. They're paid propagandists. Masquerading as the news. It's so weird. Fuck. No, this is a dark day. Yeah. It is. Well, one of the two things that's going to happen, either people are going to realize how fucking insane this is, and we have to have a conversation about being able to have conversations.

2:41:36Right. Or it's going to get a lot worse. That's what's scary. scary. Scary, just could spark off some kind of a real violent conflict. You know, that guy had a lot of fans. Yeah, I'm gonna love that guy. Yeah, I know. And if they find out that he got killed for something that they vehemently oppose in the first place, it could send people over the edge. It could. It could. Yeah, there's always that flash point moment in any, you know, in previous times like this. Yeah. You know, it's there's always that tipping point moment. Like the Rodney King fell. Yep. Something. Yeah. Just like that's it.

2:42:19Yeah. Yeah. You know, this also highlights just a little bit of perspective, like how lucky Trump was, you know, and it's just like, Charlie didn't get the benefit of a head turn or couple of microns or millimeters or, you know, and it's just like, wow, wow, who decides that? You know, that is just, there's this thing. The Trump thing is bananas. Yeah, but they talk about it. slips his ear. Yeah. Because he makes a reference to something. Yeah. And then it's just yeah. And then it clips his ear where if he didn't turn his head, he'd be dead. And it would have been on live on CNN. How do we know more about an assassination from 1963?

2:43:12Yeah. Then we do. From one that yeah eight months ago. That one. That story's fucked. There's a lot of weird stuff about that story. There's a cell phone that was traveling because the metadata, the cell phone was traveling from offices, outside of the offices of the FBI in that area, all the way to this guy, multiple times. He was 20 years old, his apartment was professionally scrubbed, there was no silverware in it, there had no social media presence. He was regularly training with like military guys, he was regularly training and shooting, like one guy had remembered him from a range. Right.

2:43:50Like what? He was in a black rock commercial two years before. Like what? His chosen rooftop is just kind of between the two quadrants that they're assigned to cover. It's just a blind spot. The excuse for why they didn't have officers on that rooftop was it was too sloped. The slope was too steep, which made zero sense. Because he climbed up it. He was fine. What the fuck are you talking about? It didn't make any sense. Not only had the one where the snipers were perched, had a steeper slope, made no sense. It was fucking nuts. They found that guy walking around the grounds a half an hour before the event with a fucking rangefinder.

2:44:32Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not on a golf course with a rangefinder, then you're gonna shoot something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they're for, but it's just man. It sucks to say things like, you know, the these are the times we currently inhabit, you know, and that there's nothing that is an an absolutely factual statement. And it sucks to have to, you know, to exist inside of that, you know? It's very strange, man. It's very strange. Very strange. Very strange. It's very strange and, you know, we've talked about it a bunch of times, but it bears repeating, I think a lot of it is highlighted by bots.

2:45:26A lot of it is people are being inflamed online by people that aren't even real accounts. Interesting. I don't study any of that. Oh, there's a lot of that going on. I think it's a giant percentage of all online discourse, where people are hating and saying mean things about people's political beliefs or anti -Israel things or anti -Palestine things or whatever. I just think a giant ton of that is foreign governments who are running these bot farms. Wow. And it's been proven. They know for a fact. China actually got caught recently. What was this, the chat GPT thing? They were using open AI software.

2:46:08Chat GPT blocked a bunch of accounts from multiple countries that had suspicious activity. Yeah, and they were commenting on blocking of USAID money and a bunch of different political subjects. And what they're basically doing is just getting people to fight. Just that's what they want. They want constant fighting, constant infight, constant, like we have to take action. and we have to constantly stoking the flames. Right, right, right, wow. So it's not even organic. Some of it's organic for sure, but a lot of it is being enhanced by foreign governments for sure. And probably some of it by our own government.

2:46:43What they did with the Manson family, you think they stopped there? They think some of that kind of stuff isn't going on right now, that we don't know about right now because there hasn't been a Tom O 'Neill to write a book about it. Sure, sure. And then we also never know which stuff was the beta test for that specific type of program or that specific type of op to be rolled out. And like, okay, let's see how they react to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh hell. That worked like a charm. Okay, activate more of those. Yeah. Jesus. How do we wrap this up on a positive note? I don't think we can. No, I think it is what it is.

2:47:29It is what it is. I think we just have to deal with that. Yeah Well, listen that was great to finally actually meet you. This is amazing. It's a lot of fun. Thank you Enjoy talking to you. Yeah, no, I I think you'll notice now I I always need a few minutes to get warmed up. Yeah, get settled in now You seem cool right off the bat now. Thank you great stories to Jesus. Thank you My just my sometimes my brain like we talked about yeah, you know It wants to go somewhere else when I was trying to it's amazing your brain works as good as it does considering all the things you've done to it. Oh, that's awesome.

2:47:58Right here. If you think about it. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. There's that part. Yeah. There's that part. Because people like, you know, hey, man, you should get some laser work on your face. I'm like, dude, I'm lucky this thing is still fucking attached. Yeah. So go fuck yourself. You're actually way better than you've looked at a long time. All right. I think you look at this sobriety suits you. Thank you. Thank you. You look really healthy. You know, I took a page out of your book. A very specific page. And if even Even if it's a rumor, it worked. I use a sauna blanket, right? This thing called higher dose, and I'm not so concerned by that.

2:48:33I'm gonna just bought one and I fucking love it. I use it at home, and then I hear, hey man, fucking Joe travels with his. Right? I have one of those sauna blankets, yeah. But do you travel with it? I do if I know that there's not gonna be a sauna. Okay, okay. So a lot of times I'll just try to find a place that does a sauna. Okay, yeah. I was like, well, fuck it, he's traveling with his. He definitely can though, that's good. They're great. I'm gonna travel with mine. Yeah, so I've had it on this trip. I traveled with it. It's a pain in the ass. I'm lugging this rolling duffel and shed who cares, but so so thank you.

2:49:04It's worth it though. Thank you for the idea. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't great because those sauna blankets are great because they're portable and you could always just get it in right right I really genuinely prefer a real sauna if you have one because I like to stretch out in the sauna sure It's sure it's the best time ever to stretch But as far as time with the portable blanket is like, I tell people it's like a bichram class without all the yelling and pain. Right? Cause, but do you get drenched in that? Oh sure, that's a lot of what bichram is. You know, a lot of his heat shock therapy. Right, you know, it's also the yoga and the exercises, which are great.

2:49:45And also the fact that you're more pliable when you're really warm and heated up like that, which really helps. but a lot of what they're there was actually a study that they were doing at Harvard. I don't know if they completed it, but they were doing it a couple of years back about the benefits of hot yoga, and whether they're comparable to the medical, the known medical benefits of sauna, which are pretty well documented. And what was the conclusion? They, I don't know. I have to think it's gotta be similar, because I've been in both. I've been in a lot of hot sauna, and I've done a lot of hot yoga, And because of the exercise, I think you reach very similar body temperatures.

2:50:26Got it. And your heart rate jacks up because you're so hot. Sure. You can barely cool yourself off of the glass of water when they let you have a sip. Right. In between things, you're allowed to take a sip of water. But it's real similar. And it's 90 minutes, which is fucking brutal. You can get through a real good, big, chrom hot yoga class. At the end of that, man. You're you're you're yeah, you're you're gonna have it you you have a different day in front of you a hundred Yeah, I said that every day. It was like how everyone started their day. Yeah, the world be so much more peaceful Yeah, no you're right.

2:51:02Yeah, it really would yeah really would be a much much much better place and you don't have to fucking Do anything hard in the gym enough to lift weights enough to punch the bag all those things are great But just do a hot yoga class for 90 minutes every day. You will live in a different world. Yep. 13 up, 13 down. Yeah. Yeah. You'll live in a world of kindness and sweet people and hello, friend. Right. Because you've already put yourself through something that nobody else can deliver the rest of the day. They can't deliver that kind of pain. You just inflict it on yourself. And it's a constant battle to see if you can use a hundred percent effort.

2:51:44Exactly. You're constantly battling. Can I hold this pose? Yes. 15 more seconds. Yes. And there's no cheap zone. There's no, you can't. Right. Because you're always doing it a hundred percent of what you can do. Right, right, right. Yeah. No, I was going to his studio on like Rexford in the early 80s. Oh, wow. Yeah, man. We were with that original crew. Wow. Yeah. There's one thing that was really cool. Karim was in there. Karim was out there. Yeah. Wow. And you know, a lot of the stuff with the arms above the head. He can only go about here because of the ceiling. Yeah. I would come in late sometimes and Karim would already be in there.

2:52:25And so his shoes would be like next to his locker. So I would put my, still wearing my shoes inside his shoes just because I It just had to. It's cool as fuck. It's cream, right? And so, but then Quincy Jones is also in there, right? And so, the mirror, you could see the front desk where you'd check in behind, like you could see it, but it was behind us. We're all facing forward. And for about a six month period, you know, Quincy's in a little speed nose. He's giving it his all. He'd be in the middle of like the standing bow or the frickin' head to knee or something like a triangle or something really complicated and he'd stop and he'd leave the class but you'd see him going to the desk and running shit down fucking sweating in his speedo right and he's running shit down he's sweating all over the paper and he'd come back and try to you know resume what what he was doing and then this went on for a while and we came to find out later guess what he was working on if you think about the year if you think about like what that how his mind was being expanded, right?

2:53:34He was producing thriller. Whoa. Yeah. And he's getting inspired during the yoga, during the Bechrom yoga. So we're kind of watching in the mirror, the best, I think, the largest selling album ever, perhaps? Right? Probably. Yeah. It's got to be up there. Being built behind us. Wow. Kind of a trip, right? Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That shows you how hyper dialed in he is. Yeah. Even in the middle of a yoga class, he's got to run out, he's probably thinking about it with every pose. Exactly. Yeah, or some. And just had to write it down. Had to write it down. Wow. Because most people aren't allowed to leave the class.

2:54:13But Quincy Jones has to write some shit down for Thriller. You got to let him leave. Yeah. Yeah. He gets that pass. The knee. He gets the pass. Yeah. He gets the pass. All right, brother. This is an absolute pleasure. It was an honor. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Yeah, that's a block for you and everything. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Right now. Bye everybody