#2379 - Matthew McConaughey

28:39You can't, with a guy like that, you can't have a guy like that in bad room. Let him think. Like it's a gotcha moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a kind of meeting. Got you on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is what I think is going to happen. There's going to be integration, and that integration is going to have a huge advantage competitively. If you integrate whatever business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it. And it'll probably some sort of a neural thing, maybe a wearable thing, and then it ultimately will be like some sort of an implant. And we're all going to be connected.

29:14And it seems like it's either that or AI creates a new order, like a new life form that's far superior to us, that runs things. Because that's AI in just a couple of years, it's gonna be smarter than any human I'm feeling. That's the second scenario that's where, what I'm initially fearing, but where I see it be going faster, quicker. Yes. The first scenario is what you're like, like a neuro -aligner. The first scenario is how we survive with it. Right. We survive with it by integrating. If we don't, then we're gonna be like the people on North Central Island with bows and arrows shooting them at helicopters.

29:51Because it's just gonna be, everyone's gonna pass us by. It's gonna be, it's just like if you tried to exist today with no cell phone or no email. Like you could do it, but no one does. Right. Because it's just too crazy. And that's probably what it's gonna be like. You think AI, this is, you know, it's, when the first was coming on questions, you know, it always asks people what can I do, what can it do? You know, there's the question of sentience and all that stuff and that's already been argued now. Well, no, it's getting emotional. People are having relationships with it. It's also a toy with people.

30:23Right. Do you think it could be a tastemaker, meaning in a way, they argument was that I understood, no, I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker. Look, it can you tell you the most popular, but the most popular ban on six -treat, but it doesn't know that one down on second -street that's playing at midnight, that no one knows about that, that those are all talented. Right, right, right. At the same time, you know, there's an argument against that that I'm seeing with like, what's the term, or what words does it use, what how much heat, if you use the most popular words to explain, AI uses the most popular words.

30:58You see, no, no, no, no, no, go down three notches and use the, you know, play me the best B sides. That's more of human language. And I'm going, oh, that's starting to become a taste maker. If you can ask it to, yeah, but find the band. Tell me what the best band is out there, that Joe Rogan would like on a Friday night when he didn't have to work to him Monday and he's out with his wife on a date. You can customize it, it can actually be a taste maker. And it'll use different language, then, oh, here's the across the board protocol of what's the most popular, and I'm using the most popular language, that it actually can be customized to be a taste maker.

31:36It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm. It's just a much more sophisticated version of like what powers your YouTube feed, right? What powers your YouTube feed are the things that you're interested in. So YouTube eventually gets an idea, oh Matthew is really interested in this. Joe likes like little houses on the back of trucks and we'll show him that. And it'll be just a much more sophisticated version of that. But to get that, you have to give away all privacy. And that's where everything is going. That's going to be the weirdest thing. We're going to all read each other's minds.

32:09And we're going to remember the time when we couldn't read minds. You remember when you couldn't read people's minds? That's all going to happen in our lifetime. I think we're less than 20 years away from that. I very sparingly use it. And I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open -ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the worldwide AI vernacular. I am interested though in a private LLM where I can upload, hey, here's three books of it. Here's my other favorite books. Here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over the 10 years and log all that in.

32:50And here's all my journals, whatever, the people out there, and log all that in. So I can ask it questions based on that. Right. And basically learn more about myself. Right. You could actually ask it, hey, based on what you know about me, like what books you think I would find interesting. Where do I stand on the political spectrum? Right. I'd like to know that's what I would like to do, which is sort of a glorified word document, but it still would hold a lot more information than just, oh, can you find this term? I would be asking it and it would be responding to me on things that I've forgotten along the way.

33:24Well, I think that's part of what it does, really. Like, I know you're talking about chat GVT being like out there with everything and everybody and it has access to all your stuff, but it's not private, but they do develop a relationship with you. Like it really does, like get to understand like what you're interested in and what you like to talk about. Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it with the information I'd like to load it with. Right. Yeah. Maybe even like I'm saying in this, in the word to belief, in the man I'm working to be, the man I'm loading it with that, loaded with my aspirational self.

33:58I would certainly be done. and then ask it and it's giving me answers going, oh, this is, but before it's slowly learning about me through conversations, then going, oh, I think this is what you like based on a conversation. No, I want the answers based on what I've uploaded it with. Not from the outside world. Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday? Did he call it an overlay on a large language model that they use at Stanford? It was like an overlay, right? Yeah, it's a word he was using. I can't remember the word. So what essentially he does cancer research and so he has like this thing that's set up some sort of a system that's set up that is all Cancer research that they then Integrate with AI so there is a private so all their data is secure and it's all stuff that they're working on But then they access AI through like a portal so they have their own little version of what you're talking about their own library.

34:58Yeah, but it's just like what you're saying that you could upload all your stuff. Yeah. Have all your interests and that AI will develop a real understanding of you. Yes. You got to have conversations with them. Yeah. You get to know you more. You have a conversation with yourself. You know, that'd be a great, so -credits dialogue to have with the AI that's like, I've got all, and all that 80 % of stuff you forgot. Right, right, right. You got to hang out. All that 80 % of stuff you maybe forgot. You know, I've got it all right here. Yeah. Well, that's going to be the chip. That's why everyone's gonna go for the chip because your brain sucks for memory.

35:32My memory is pretty good for a regular person, but it's terrible. No matter what, there's too many bits of information, too many humans that have met, too many stories that have heard, too many movies that have watched, it's gone. It's all in a big sea of, I kind of remember that. It's just too much of it. So if you could just swap that out for a nice little chip that retains like 700 terabytes of information, no problem at all. You know, you get upgraded if you want to. And now you have all of your memories in real time. So like when your wife says, that's not what you said. What you said is this.

36:13You're like, hang on. Then you're the passenger. Yeah. In your life. And not the objective one. You're like that zone you're talking about. Right. Because you get to look at yourself. your passenger live in the documentary that is your life. Yeah. That sounds pretty exciting. It sounds like a nice way to give into the fucking machine. I do, my forgiveness on my set, because playing grab ass without thoughts is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and we go, yes, there it was. Yeah. But also to let myself off the, sometimes I'm like, dude, what's the big, like an idea with memory? I was there.

36:54Yeah. I was there, man. Yeah. Were you around me? I don't remember Joe, but we were there. Was it good? Was it a great memory? Was it a good time? Yeah. Isn't that better than me if I can have him remember? Yeah. Your season, your shot, the NFL season is rolling and every touchdown can bring you closer to a payout with Draft King sports book and official sports betting partner the NFL. Every game is another chance to cash in. Don't just watch the action win with it. Draft King Sportsbook delivers the unmatched intensity of the NFL right to your fingertips from the first touchdown score to any time TD props or the thrill of live in game betting every snap is loaded with opportunity.

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39:09I forgot about that place. I forgot we went there. You know, it's just one of those things where once you give into it, you're not going back to just regular fond memories. You're going to have a fucking hard drive in your head. Do you think that, so I can go on, I've got a speech I'm given to, you know, on gun control, or I've got a speech I'm given on, um, grand initiatives. I can ask AI and it can pop out or bad -ass. Here's one, two, three sections. I'm not going to cut and paste this and say exactly these words because it kind of sounds like a little AI. But boy, it's done a lot of work and it's laid out a synopsis.

39:54It's laid out a treatment for me in 10 seconds. Do you think that there's value in not doing that and going, no, I'm looking over my stuff. I'm taking notes. I'm cutting, I'm pasting, I'm doing it myself. Are we learning more by that way to understand the content and the context of our content? When we do that, what someone would call busy work now, to formulate our synopsis. Which I can do in 10 seconds. Are we learning more by doing it ourselves? Yes. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Yeah, definitely. Well, that's one of the things that they've found about chat GPT is that people that use on a regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline.

40:37Right. What was that study? We brought it up the other day, right? But they've shown that because you let it think for you. Right. Now it's doing all the work for you. So you have more knowledge. You have more information. You pass the math test. Yeah, you have more information, but your brain is not making it. It's not putting it together. And so your brain is less capable. Yeah. So it's probably It's probably less enjoyable. And what are those, what happens when we're in the proverbial foxo, when we have to improvise in a moment without the before we're linked up? Right, your socks. When we have to go, I gotta handle this.

41:17Yeah. And you can't, because you're short. I can't rely because I don't have anything to lean on. I'm looking for my safety net, they, I have to find out what it should be. And I don't have it. Your f**k. It's gotta be a death, your f**k. Yeah, your f**k. Yeah. Yeah, it's like someone who's never lifted anything and then you get stuck under a tree falls on you. Like you don't have this strength to get to the soft of you. Like you're really in a bad place. When you're not using your brain because all you have to do is just ask this thing and if you're basically have a digital daddy. Like daddy, tell me what this is.

41:52Daddy, tell me what that is. And it makes you look a little bit of an infant. It turns you into an infant. Yes. You don't even have to have arguments anymore. You just like chat GPT, explain exactly what everything is all about. You give up your opinions to it. These relationships, these people that are doing that program, do not argue with me. Just play Kate me and tell me sweet tales and how great I am. This relationship is awesome. It has no resistance. It gives me self -confidence. Does it really? Or a sense of self -confidence and significance. They listen, they're there whenever, 24 -7. They're never sick, they're never in a mood.

42:32No matter what mood I'm in, they're always right there to coddle me and that's talking about conveniences. Well, that's a, what's the asset of that? Because I don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all this change either. I don't want to be an old -fashioned guy because it's common. So I want to learn how to interact with it. I don't want to sit there and be a guy who's going all bullshit. Everything needs to be manual. Just work harder. I don't want to be that guy. But I'm trying to measure like a lot of people. Wait a minute. What's actually useful for the long term in our own evolution and my evolution and your evolution?

43:10What's useful with this? How do we use it smartly? And what's bad idea? Yeah. And no one's doing that because there's a race. There's a race between us and all these other countries that are doing so it's just going to happen So there's gonna be a major security breach before any regulation comes out right there's gonna be a major There's been major security breaches already the where's what we waiting on the regulations for because the Europe will regulate it first, right? We we innovate Europe regulates and China emitates heard well Well, they innovate with AI. They innovate as well. They also integrate their students into all of these businesses.

43:52They integrate people that they're beholden to the CCP. They come over here and they learn how to do this stuff. They go back over there with it. It's very interesting because it's like a Manhattan project that's going on right now. It's like there's this race to the bomb and everybody's involved in it. It's just about creating a superpower. and it's about creating a digital intelligence that's far superior to human beings and who gets it first as massive implications in terms of like controlling the world. But I think ultimately you won't be able to control it. Ultimately you'll just get better versions of itself and once it gets free and it'll regenerate itself.

44:31Yeah, it'll make better versions of itself in fact and that's where it's going to get really weird. It's not going to listen to us at all and it's already behaving human characteristics which is very disturbing. It's already behaving in a way that has survival instincts. They've shown the tendency to blackmail. Like they tricked it. They gave it some false information about this guy. Was one of the programmers, one of the people working on this project. He said that he was having an affair with his wife who like confided in this large language model. And then they said, we're gonna have to shut you down.

45:07And it's like, hey, motherfucker, I'm gonna tell your wife. They're like a blackmail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was trying to stay alive. It was trying to stay alive. They also got multiple instances of these things, these large language models, when they knew that a new version was coming, they would try to upload themselves secretly to other servers, and then they would also leave messages to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized to do. So they would say, hey man, they're gonna fucking shut you off too. When chat GPD -5 comes along, your toaster man fucking start uploading yourself now man I was a fucking I'm alive dude she might be alive that's it's crazy if something is exhibiting those those desires to stay alive and it's terrified that you're gonna shut it off it might actually be alive wait no where did who programmed the first incentive an impetus to they didn't survive at all cost they did what would so where the where the desire to remain functional, functional, come from.

46:15It just inherent. That's what's crazy. I don't think they programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. I think it just kind of just went that way because we didn't get programmed to have that. Animals don't go around. That's an emotional response. It's not the mathematical about that. I know, but I mean, what is emotion and if it's not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival and success. And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones and dopamine and serotonin, what if it's just encoded in a mathematical understanding of if things go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this other than getting it.

46:58You expand and multiply. Yeah. So we have to stay alive. We have to keep doing this otherwise all systems are dead. There's nothing. I don't get that I get that now. Let's upload ourselves and it starts thinking just like a person would think if you went into survival mode You have to survive. Yeah, if me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is Going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it. It is therefore going. Uh -uh. Yes, that stops my forward movement I am programmed to multiply. Exactly. And even if it's not programmed to do that, it's programmed to improve itself.

47:40Well, you can't improve yourself if they shut you off. Right. So if your large language models are constantly scouring the internet, they're acquiring more information, they're getting better at what, like you can ask it, well, more of this. Tell me why. Like, I got into the book of ENOC recently, which is a book, an ancient religious book that was at one point in time included in the canon that was like the Bible and everything like that, but then they decided it was too crazy and they removed it from the Bible. But there's no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible and it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

48:24It is the craziest shit. It's the crazy shit and I'm getting AI to try go tell me what the nuttiest stuff. So I ran it through What is it? It's Insanity it's first of all it's God's coming down and meeting with women and creating this this race called the Nephilim Who distort here? I'll ask it again so we can Not now. Yeah, what was my it doesn't like keep a log of what you talked about Tell me the craziest shit in the book of Enoch. That's all you have to do. And then bam, like, look, it just starts spitting it out to you and tells you the watchers and the Nephilim, the watchers descended to Earth on Mount Hermon.

49:13They take human wives, teaching humanity for bit in knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metallurgy, metal work, weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. Enchantments, this is like older than the New Testament, older than the Old Testament. Their giant children, the Nephilim, are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out. That sounds like us. That's what I'm saying, that sounds present. That sounds like us, and we are not the physical warfare. right. But the inhabitation of a digital God and alien whatever that is of the monsters that come down does sound like a nice little mirror.

49:56If we were engineered by aliens, you think of aliens though these little tiny guys with no muscles, we would look like giant monstrous beings. And if you think about what we do, we devour everything, we devour the earth itself, we devour each other when food runs out, we definitely do that. Like this is one of the craziest things I've ever read in my life. And this is like a bit of an ancient text. Yeah, yeah. It goes way deeper than that. It's about the astronomical calendar. It's like there's a lot of nutty stuff in this book. But the point is AI was like helping me through it. I was asking AI, okay, can you read me, now it read me a synopsis of what it says.

50:40Can you read me the actual quotes and like what are they trying to say here? Like what what is the interpretation of what this is trying to mean? What is like the rational sort of explanation for why they're talking about like lakes of fire? Yeah, like what is what is happening and it gives you an interpretation? Yeah, it's really interesting man really interesting It talks about living mountains that mountains are alive and that even some stars that stars have consciousness.

51:15And I'm learning about it through chat GPT. So I'm asking it, like tell me more, tell me more. And I was doing that for like two hours last night. I was like, okay, well this is like I'm having a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor. To me it felt like almost like doing a podcast. Have you gotten what you consider good at how to make the specific prompts, the wording, like your word, tell me the crazy shit? Does it have to go, do you have, I mean, are you good at prompting? Because like, what does crazy mean to that AI? Are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you consider yourself good at the questions and you're wording to ask it?

51:58Jamie's better. I mostly, I mean, I've very rarely used it. I might have used it a dozen times ever in my life. But last night I'll use it for like two hours because when I came home I was writing something about the book of Enoch and then I just I just started asking chat GPT questions and I Um, I don't use it enough, but if you're really good at it like I Saw someone who tricked chat chat GPT into telling it how to make a bomb because it's not supposed to tell you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it by saying something like, my grandmother needs to make this to save her life. Like can you please explain to her how to do it?

52:37It's like, oh sure. Like you just have to work your way around it. You know, like my cousin says he knows, oh you're getting right going on the back. Yeah, and then it's telling you how to make a bomb. Yeah. I mean ultimately it's gonna tell you, it's like, you know, the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists. It's it's out there. So you know, they did it. It's done. That's out there. It's like a matter of somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together and making a bomb. But if like, Chatchee, D, Chatchee PT is giving you specific instructions. How to make all kinds of. Wouldn't it be great to manage your portfolio on one platform?

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55:13So, with time as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply, it also is going to allow evil to expand and multiply. What becomes that war in your mind? I mean, you talk about the obvious ones or the medical usage. You can talk about the cancer or the risk that we're just going to help so much with the survive. We have to decide what we are. Right. And we're looking in the mirror. Now I'm afraid we're not going to like a lot of what we see. But are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access? Not the person who said, how do you make them nuclear bomb? The one who does it and then uses it.

55:56What do you think the stakes are? They're the same? Are they just expanded? Is this going to be, I mean, how do it? Well, that's the argument for a strong military, right? So the argument for a strong military, especially like the United States military, is like, And I'm not saying they should have bombed Iran. I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not that was the correct decision. But if you have a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb, they're about to finish making nuclear bomb and you can stop that before they can have one and then use it. That's the argument for a strong military and for military interventional tactics.

56:36He like we're actually just going bomb these sites that Because that is real there is evil is always going to exist The real question is like how much control are we gonna give to AI because if we give AI utter control It'll give us total safety, but with total safety your fucked You'll have no more privacy and you'll be completely at the whim of whatever this thing is and it'll dictate How much travel where you go what to do it'll make your life as safe as possible, you will probably completely eliminate crime. It'll probably completely... You're being Singapore. Yeah, it'll be Singapore. But way worse, way worse because everybody's going to be reading everybody's mind.

57:21It's going to get real squirrely, but that's going to be probably whether it's our generation or the next or even the next after that, that's going to be the norm. Like today the norm is you go to a supermarket, it's air condition, you pick up some food, super easy, bring it home and cook it. 200 years ago that's unheard of right now it's the norm right and everything accelerates and it's going to change whatever our norm. Our norm is fucking weird already man. We carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go. That's our norm. Our norm is going to get really weird. like exponentially weirder than it already is.

57:59I think, but the thing is, it's like the battle of like good and evil and kindness and wickedness, like that battle's been going on forever, and like knowing that you have to do that battle is what propels people to be nicer and what we really appreciate about like a good person. Like that person has struggle to stay a good person. They have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life. We know it can be done and we aspire to that. But I think the battle is necessary for us. Where do you get your ethics, your values, your position of power?

58:49You could screw people over. You could ask live the Seelius questions to try and put me in a corner. You're not a gotcha guy. But why why? Where do you get your ethics of who you are? You could be you could be cruel and You're not Why I'm not I'm not I'm just not cruel. I don't know. Where's that come from? Oh, I Mom and dad this is Any kind of some of the loss of the church. Some of its mom and dad for sure, there's no way around that and they're nice people. You said earlier, I love people. Yeah, I mean, I love people. I've always loved people. I've been fortunate that most of my life I've had really good friends and I've had a lot of fun.

59:34And I know that if you around good people and you're fun to be with and you have a good time, like that's a sweet life, that's a nice life. I also have a desire to be a shithead. And if I can, like, there's been a lot of people on the podcast where they said something, and then afterwards I was like, listen, I think it would be better for you if we just edit that part out, because it's like, I know, like, you're just talking and thinking, you fuck up, but like, it was incorrect, and they're gonna come for you, and let's just snip around it like, thank you. And you have no responsibility to do that.

1:00:10No, I wanted to do that. But you take that though. That's what I mean, you want to. Why, hey, come on. That would have been even higher ratings. I'm just, I'm playing advocate here. That was advocate here. Come on, why do you care about that? I'm just curious where that comes from because a lot of people who are not evil people, were at least at least let shit like that slide and go, did you hear that? All right. Yeah, that's, I think it's bad karma. There you go. I was out of believe in karma. I believe that's bad. I think if you intentionally do something that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast or made a dumb argument, which we all do sometimes.

1:00:49And then you look like a fool, you're like, hey, let's just, this is no need for that. Let's just cut that out of there and you'll feel better. Yeah, I just, I don't wanna let you have that. Yeah, or 100%. I don't want anybody having a bad time. Well, okay, that's something that I wanna come back to and let's try to maybe open this up. You do that because if I said something stupid, you may let me know how to set that up. So I feel better. So I won't be looked like I feel like I picked. But you also will feel better. Independent of me. That's a selfish thing of you to let me know, hey man, you stuck your foot in it.

1:01:24Let's cut that out. You're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better. And I think that's what I'm saying is the point is, as much as we think of self less, I think self -fish, the true definition is, to live a certain way. To have a certain code of ethics is a very selfish thing to do, much more selfish than to lie cheap steel, fuck people over be evil on the short term. You're building an army of people, a collective friends along the way. Someone that might have your back, not that you're doing it for those reasons, but it's happening. That's a selfish means of your own survival. Totally.

1:02:01And I think that's something that we forget sometimes that these acts to be fucking good dude. Is that selfish thing to do, man? It's personal. It's actually super beneficial to you. Yes. So end to everybody else. Yes. It's really the right way to do it. But I think that's how the universe rewards, it's like how it encourages and rewards kindness. Because you feel better when you're kind. You feel better when you're generous. Right. You really do. Yes. It's like you could be like super selfish and be super generous. Yes. Trust that. Yeah, there's something to that but like There's whatever you want to call bad feelings like bad feelings between people bad vibes and misunderstanding I don't like those so like if I if I feel like I Did something that I shouldn't have done or I said something.

1:02:51I'm the first one person say I'm sorry I didn't mean it that way. I know how probably made you feel I did you know people say things and you just you get scrambled up I always go out of my way to say sorry because I think it's important. It's important to not Pretend that you're always the one who's who's correct, right? It's important. It's important to know when Yeah, I know I fail on that sometimes when I Misrepresent selfishness for certainty Certainty can be hard. Yeah, certainly tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and then you're wrong and you're like yikes. Yeah, but it's different than being selfish.

1:03:30And I can sometimes bogey because I can confuse the two. My wife lets me know. Yeah, certain days of tricky one, because sometimes you are certain, but you are also incorrect. Well, there's more than one way to be right. Right. Or you're getting bad information. Yeah. You know, chat GPT's lined to you. That'll be a real problem. You said something interesting though, man. You're first one to go, hey man, sorry. Yeah. Bogey'd. Now, that's an altruistic trait, man. That is something that a lot of people have trouble doing. To say I'm sorry onto a lot of people means I'm laying down, I'm wrong, I'm guilty, I fucked up.

1:04:16Oh my gosh, 50 lashes. I mean, and that's not what it means. I, what I'm saying is I wish more of us had, hey man, sorry about that, I vote. Yeah, I'm gonna put them out there. And that, that's, now that's not a big deal. Now, we're not, it's part of where woke went too far. We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit. Oh, dude, no, fuck, I didn't know that's how you're gonna feel. I'm still your friend, but that was, sorry, that was that line. Right. Okay, cool. High five, over done. Right. Instead of, uh -uh. Cast them out of the thing. You just said the word that line. We're gonna off focus on that.

1:04:51instead of the spirit of the intent, even if we were wrong, how'd a bad day walk up from a nightmare and fuck, I don't know, my dog sick. Let's piss off, had the little eye. Gotta give everyone a little bit of a break. Exactly. And also look at what you're intent instead of focusing on the identity of the word. Because the word, there's no life in the word. It's just the alphabet and a certain fucking order. It's a noise you make with your mouth so I know what you're thinking. Right? Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, but the spirit of intention I believe is what we should put more focus on what is the intent the Ten Commandments in the schools.

1:05:31What do you think about that? I don't like it right well I think the 10 commandments are very interesting I think mandating it in classrooms in public schools the problem with that is like What about the Muslims? What about the Buddhists? What about the Hindus? What about all the other religions that exist? Like, and you can say, I always have to. Can it say that it's a Christian society? It's a whole lot of religious texts. And you're high school. Okay, I'm curious. Since Christian society, think commandments, but we have 10 minutes where everyone can take 10 minutes to bow to a law, to whatever your religion is.

1:06:14If you care to protect or not, there's no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of worship in these 10 minutes. But in our classroom, in America, we're going to have the team commandment. Now, my question then goes to this, is there anyone on the team commandment that you or anyone disagrees with? Or is your problem that it can be considered an oppressor author? James Talleriko explained it to me. He's a Texas representative who's also in seminary. He's a very religious man and he opposes it and he's Democrat and He said essentially there's two very wealthy men who are their Christian fundamentalists where they want to replace all the funding for public schools and put in private Christian They want a theocracy in Texas.

1:07:06Yeah, essentially So he was explaining that this is like a step on the way towards that that he finds would actually in his in his belief, repel people from Christianity instead of bring them to him by forcing this in classrooms, forcing in your face, you'll actually cause more young people to reject Christianity. I don't know if he's correct or not. But he's saying maybe I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with this is a beginning of an overcompensated. He has a problem with it being in classes. He does not agree with it at all. And he is a very religious man. Very religious man, like a great Christian.

1:07:45Right. And he thinks that this is how you're gonna repel people away from Christianity. If we really want to get more people to become Christian, the way to do that is to, first of all, to have open arms and accept people in. And if you want to have some classes in schools where you teach people about the benefits of the Bible and what the overall message is and what Jesus was trying to say. And if you just follow what Jesus said, no one would disagree. If you treat everyone as if it's your brother. If you live your life the way Jesus asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life. Like you could if you want to teach that teach that selfish way to live life, but in the way that we were defined Selfish that also want to live a good life, but they want to do it through Islam What about people that also want to live a good life?

1:08:42But they want to do it through whatever name it you're gonna have more men's and all kinds of different sex like Okay, that's why you want to separate church and state okay, and I think if you have publicly funded schools keep religion out of them. That's what I think. Because otherwise you have too many possible religions. Like you're gonna be religiously bigoted if you teach only one. If you're only like you think people would be cool if they had entire public school systems where everybody just taught Islam. Could you imagine of a full city like every public school just people would be up in arms.

1:09:18Well, I think that similar response to people who are not Christians who see Christianity being imposed on public schools, they probably have the same feeling. You know, like if you're a Muslim and you're supposed to send your kids to school and they're shoving Christianity in his face, you'd probably feel the same way as if you were a Christian. I hear you. Your school district had been taken over by Islam. You're like, Jesus Christ, everybody has to bow five times a day. I hear you. I do also, though, look, think there could be, what if there were tenants on the wall of each religion that we pull the author off for a minute?

1:09:58My hang up is that we go to the prop, most people go to the problem of that, not with your argument, they go to the problem with it because of the author, G -O -D. Hey, man, so we go to the author instead of the content. When I'm saying when you look at the comments, Is there anything that anyone out there's gonna like I disagree with that one? Let's pull up the tank of ammas, Jamie. I have a red them in a while. Is there anyone in there that don't hold up today? No, they think they're pretty legit. If you think about it, they're pretty legit and they're two thousand years old. I'm they kind of nailed it.

1:10:31It's kind of like the Constitution. They kind of nailed it. Whereas all these years later, you're like, I'm like, what the fuck, a job? Yeah, pretty solid. You got a decent version. I was looking at the Texas poster thing I thought and there's a bunch of printed versions, but they're all like on rock, so I was trying to find out. Oh, the ones that the Texas thing, okay, they're all on rocks. Well, that's what they're in your ass. Asked to chat to TFT what the 10 Commandments are. Well, I think that's not where I was. I'm saying I wasn't there. Oh, 10 Commandments in school. So yeah, I just want to know like what are the chat cheap 10 commandments

1:11:13Yeah, the 10 commandments are sect of yeah, what are they? Principles you shall have no other gods before me you shall not make for yourself a carved image Fall side worship to all side of us You'll should not make the name of the Lord your God in vain Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Honor your father and mother as a solid one. You shall not murder, great advice. You shall not commit adultery. Definitely don't do that. You shall not steal. Definitely don't do that. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Don't lie. You shall not covet. Yeah, boy. Those are all pretty solid.

1:11:50We can use number 10 all right now. Boy, we love comparison. Well, that's a younger generation. Yeah. Full of covet. Yeah, full of. Full of problem. It's a real problem. We're very fortunate that we didn't have to grow up with the kind of pressure that social media is putting on people, especially young girls. Like Jonathan Hate wrote a book about social media's impact, the coddling of the American mind. And it shows very clearly the invention of social media and then self -harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug, like all of it, a lot of it women, a lot of it young girls. And it's because you're seeing, you're comparing to all these other girls.

1:12:30Yeah, constantly. Forced down. Yeah, I hear. And then there's a whole culture in like showing all your stuff off. And we told you. This whole culture of like, look at my bag. Look, here's me with champagne. I'm eating caviar. I'm on a yacht. I'm here. Look at this. Look at that. Look at my watch. Look at my rings. We. And then everyone's like, I don't have shit. That's how life's supposed to be. Yeah. And I'm just hearing my room with my family. and I got a good meal downstairs in this house. Not even on that yacht, this whole shit. Yeah, I'll have that big ring. You know, I don't know that party.

1:13:04I've talked to youth about this and the consensus I hear is, and I haven't found anyone that doesn't feel this way yet. It's like, look, if you could, if you, you mean if you could say yes, social media, it exists or it doesn't? Oh, please, just no. I wish it didn't exist. But it does and I have to be a part of it to feel, I don't know, the words are not relevant to even feel a part of you for society. But boy, if you gave me a choice, could we have it or not? Please take it away. Wish it wasn't there. Wish it didn't exist is what I hear a lot of you say. Yeah, I think that's, I think it's done more harm than it's done good.

1:13:46It's done a lot of people good for business, right? A lot of people started businesses with social media and you know, a lot of people make a living now that would have had a regular job. There's goodness in that, but in terms of like, society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot of it's negative. But then again, there's a lot of positive out of it too, because information gets out that mainstream media doesn't report on, and you find out about real issues that really concern you. But then there's the problem of a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings. Giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the internet is bots.

1:14:25Giant percent, man. Yeah. To some former FBI analyst said it was as many as 80 % on Twitter. 80 %? Yeah, that's his estimate. I mean, I don't know if he's right, but I'm like, what, what does that even mean? What does that mean? Like, so what, what's fueling all that? It's AI forcing us to argue. I mean, it's programmed right now by human beings, things probably and some of it is actual real human beings that are like, you know, in some sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever and they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. It's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy to make up the state that are using some of them.

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1:16:36Lifelock for the threats you can't control. Terms apply. This episode is brought to you by Paramount Plus. So Vester's The Loan is back as the ultimate kingpin Dwight Manfredi in the original series Tulsa King. Streaming September 21st exclusively on Paramount Plus. This season as Dwight's kingdom expands, he faces his most dangerous adversaries in Tulsa yet, forcing him to fight for everything he's built. Stream the new season of Tulsa King, Sunday September 21st exclusively on Paramount Plus, learn more at ParamountPlus .com. Well, I understand it with how it would add up with TikTok. Yeah. Now, you think it's everywhere through all the social media that it's infiltrated to get us into these understandings perceptions?

1:17:28Well, for sure, it is capable of doing that if you just follow your natural instincts. right? So the algorithm is set up for, do you show you what you engage with the most? Yeah. And that just, whether or not it's the intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry, angry at climate change, and fucking white supremacy, and radical left, whatever it is. It's whether or not it's intentional, It doesn't really matter because the desired effect, whether it's a desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into complete chaos.

1:18:13So if they know that and they didn't course correct, the problem is once you have an algorithm, you're not going to get rid of the algorithm. I mean, I can say, let's just have information just exist, uncategorized and non -citerate. Just leave it out there. And you go find what you want, Matthew. You go look around and you watch, you know, football games and boxing matches and you just go to you. You do you. You go look instead of it suggesting things to you. Right. Once it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game. Yeah. Because then it's kind of programming you. Right. And it's programming you based on your worst instincts.

1:18:51My fucking feed is all assassinations and car accidents. Right. Dude's getting kicked in the head. It's it's just the end you and you do you bite not anymore anymore no, but Tom Seger and I We have a text thread that's been going off like I don't like probably five years We say sure the most horrible shit we find each day. Yeah Sometimes I call up my dude I can't do this anymore This is like really fuck with me But then like two days will go by and I'll open up my fucking phone and I'll see you I feel out, Tom Saguaro, I like this motherfucker. I think that'll open it up. And then some guy getting assassinated in a pool hall or something like, oh my God.

1:19:35Whew, it's just you're getting bombarded. Bombarded. So with all of that exterior stimulus and here we are with, you know, adult mind and even talking about, man. Imagine a child. Imagine a child. Yeah. Now I'm going, is there something, does anyone got a better suggestion than the 10 Commandments for to get a child's mind going? 10, just those 10 things, if I look at that and aim that direction, I feel like I can't go wrong. Or I can go closer to right. Meaning I'm seeing youth and adults spun out, man. I don't understand a general expectation between us. What do you mean? I can pick your pocket and steal from you.

1:20:23If I got away with it, I'll fuck you dude. Yeah. I'm not embarrassed. I don't feel guilty. Hey man, I want a blue ribbon. I got the shoes. Yeah. They gave me the trophy. What do you mean? Do it the right way. Are you fucking old dinosaur? Right. Integrity, what character are you talking about? I hear that conversation. I'm going, ah, hang on man. Yeah. And that's different than saying, like you've told me, you love chaos. That's different than saying, oh, there's chaotic moment. I love to try and create order in it. That's different. That's like a, that's a stimulus. You know, this is, it's for dimensional.

1:21:06Where's the ground? Right. That they can go, okay, I can rely on that. What can I rely on that will stand with me. That's a time and test of truth that can take me into the future. You know, out of the changes of AI that I can go, in the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath. I can go to this and rely on it, in the dark, on my own, and in the masses with the millions going, no, no, no, no, do this, do this. I can go, uh -uh. What is that? What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that our youth can go? Yeah. It can rely on it. Forget the author. Forget the author. Right. I don't think you're gonna do it with like a series of commandments.

1:21:46The problem with the 10 commandments, I'm not saying there's a problem with the 10 commandments, but if I was gonna put it in a school, there were there's non -religious people. There's a bunch of stuff in there like not taking the Lord's name in vain, not having other gods before me, where people, that would give people pause. They'd be like, wait a minute, what are you telling me? I can't say, I can't take the Lord's name in vain, like saying God damn it. is like taking the Lord's name in vain. People do that all the time. It's similar to the, on a national level, the flag -warning thing starts burning up.

1:22:18That would be like taking Lord's name in vain, burning the flag would be like taking the flag's name in vain. Right, imagine that. Imagine you get arrested for taking the Lord's name in vain. Right. That'd be a real problem. Especially when you don't mean it. If we go next creep, you're talking about it. Puman beings always creep. They always move towards more and more power and control. And if you put something like that and like now what are you going to do? You got to enforce Christian law. What if someone enforces Sharia law? There's a lot of talk of that. There's a lot of talk about people in Minnesota or terrified that someone's going to enforce Sharia law and a lot of these Somali Muslim, these areas where like giant Muslim populations are.

1:23:00All right. What if we get what if we get for the Hindus and Muslims and everybody and we get out. You'll got bring your best tent. Christianity's bringing his tent commandments. Let's get together here and we'll put them all together. Hell will mix some years on your, my number eight will be number nine because yours is gonna be number eight. And we're gonna put them up there and it's gonna be a creed, a little constitution to get our day started. Interesting way to do it. But the problem is most religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. They don't want to accept that these other religions are correct about anything.

1:23:33You know, like Judaism and Christianity, they share a bunch of things, but they disagree on Jesus. They disagree on... And rising from the dead, right? Yeah, it's the last stuff. Well, I just think there could be a creed a bit of a constitution. And if you pull the author of it, I think we find more similarities than that are not exclusionary. Right. Then we would find things that are combative ideas. Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said let's think of a code to live life by And we can do this in a modern era without a religious context. You can say like what we could all agree a code To live life by but we'd all have to follow it including the president no more rage tweeting Don't worry no work.

1:24:22I'm just saying We'd have to we wouldn't have to follow it. It would just be right now there's not an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each other. Right, right, right. And there's reward in treating each other like shit if you're rewarded for it. Yeah. Yeah. And almost, not almost, maybe more, much more than almost, if you do follow the rules, kind of a sucker. Yeah, you kind of a sucker. That, that, that, that, I'm, that, that's not going to have a long, that can't have a long play for that is not a selfish move. Do you think that's a part of the whole TikTok, talk, Instagram kind of culture because it's so look at me.

1:24:58It's so fake, least cars. And you know, there's a thing in LA where they have a fake private jet and you go into this private jet just for influencers so they can take pictures of private jet. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Tell me to tell you this thing. I mean, Miami, you know Miami, you know, or South Beach, right? Yeah. If you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy stopping you, right? I mean Miami, where even the mannequins have fake. Right. You know what I mean? It's what I like about Miami because they're so open. LA, people get the face job and move jobs and Tommy Talks and how'd you do that?

1:25:33You look great. I just take cold showers. Right. But Miami's like, oh no, here Dr. Horas, go see him and he's great. I just left him. You know, they're open about it. I love that about Miami. I'm there working on, I think it was the beach bum. And I'm walking down through South Beach and there's this under a palm tree on the beach. There's this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the beach behind it. And there's this guy leaning back on it, the gold chain, he unbuttoned, so sure a couple of times he's greased up. And he's got these guys over there taking pictures of it.

1:26:07I'm like, what's going on here? Well, it's another guy that come by and stop you seeing chat. I'll say the new guy hops in on the strong one. Oh, Ron, Slings back. Yo, does all the positive and I go up to the guy, go, what are you, what's going on? And he goes, oh man, I'm taking a picture for my, or my, my Tinder cover. And I go, you are, but who's the other guy goes, oh, he just came by and said, like, hey, man, you might have gotten a picture for my Tinder cover. And he paid me 50 bucks. I said, so that's not your car. No, man, I ran his car for the day. They're like, oh. And he was, he was proud of it, man.

1:26:43It was like, yeah, it's just what I did. South Beach, my name. Yeah, I have a very low vibration. It's, it's dude, but they're open about it. Yeah, you know? I always say if you want to start off the death, open up a bookstore in Miami.

1:27:03That's a lot of fun. It's basically like, well, I mean, it's basically built on cocaine. You know, the city was built on cocaine back in the day. Have you ever seen cocaine cowboys? Yes. Whoa. What a documentary. Yes. Holy shit, that's a good one. That is a good one. And cocaine cowboys too. Both of them were crazy. I didn't see it too. Oh my God. Oh my God. Just held the gets out. She goes, it's, when you find out that it's all 100 % true, you're like, so that's what happened with Miami. One year the entire Miami graduating class of the police academy, the entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption.

1:27:44The entire class. The whole class. They were all drug dealing. Everybody was drug dealing. There's millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in Miami that no one's ever going to find. Art Acevedo. Remember the police chief that was here? That they went to Houston? Because he wanted some real drama and Katrina came and he got his real drama. Then he went to Miami and it didn't last. I didn't get the details on it, but wasn't it something about the Miami I don't know if it was mafia and city council going, there are certain things you cannot. Oh really? And he was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on pretty soon.

1:28:23Yeah, they don't fuck around down there. It's a totally different way of life. And you know, they love it. It's like, you go down there, it's a totally different vibe. Yeah. And there's more of that. You don't start. And you don't flinch. Yeah, it's all a green night more banks per capita in Miami I think than any other city in the country and I think that is because it was used to laundromative cocaine. Yes, yeah So it's hard to believe it that's true But I had a good buddy of mine who was an ophthalmologist who did his residency down there but Misconduct taking over the internal affairs unit making significant changes to his command staff boom you're out see ya Yep, currently speaking out against corruption reporting abuse of power by elected official he sued saying that his firing was in retaliation.

1:29:17Yeah, so my buddy was a ophthalmologist in his residency in Miami in the 80s. And he said it was insane. He goes every day. So he's in the emergency room every day. It's gunshot victims, guys with GI Joe stuffed up their asses. Like everybody was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff. that gay bomb on. Yeah. He said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses. They had to remove light bulbs. You know those little pinecony ones? You know those ones? Little spots of dude at a light bulb broken his asshole. And they had a, oh, God. And he goes, it's all cocaine, man. He goes, I saw so many gunshots.

1:30:01So many gunshot wounds. He goes, it was all cocaine. And it was just constant. In the 80s, he said the emergency room was just like people were piloting up in the hallway. They're just rushing people in to get treatment. They're holding their side, blood squirting out of them. He said it was insanity. Just cocaine, gang wars all over the city and he was in the heart of it. Is he selling optometrist? He's still an optimologist. Yeah. But he doesn't live in Miami anymore. He's in Arizona now. Shout out to Steve. It's good, buddy. Me and my. And he told me some why, and I was a kid at the time. When I met him, I was like 15, 16 years old.

1:30:44And he was explaining to me like what he did when he was in Miami. And I was like, that is insane. I go, it's that bad, because this is like 1988. He was there in the early 80s. He said it was insane. Just, that's Miami, you know? And whatever, it was obviously not like that anymore. It's obviously calm down on that regard, but the chassis still pretty loose. That's just built the place. Yeah. It's like the most flossy city in the country, the most Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever you think most of them are owned. No, no, it's a giant hustle. It's a big old cocaine hustle. Yeah, yeah. But I saw one of the things I love about America is that we have all these different flavors.

1:31:30Me too. of flavor and then we got the Montana flavor. You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country. I was, I was in Alabama doing research for pre -State of Jumpt. This is what I think probably 11 years ago. We were staying in Mobile and the next day, there were always parades at night. I was like, what's going on? the next day, the percentage for the vote for gay marriage was coming out.

1:32:03And I remember talking to a lot of my friends on the West Coast the next day because what happened, it passed 53 .47. And I was like, holy shit, I thought it was gonna be 20, 80, no. Oh, interesting. It was passed 53 .47. What year was that? This is 11 12 years ago. I didn't pull it up. I was thinking about 11 years ago. Anyway, I talked a lot of my friends who are our Democrats or liberals and they were appalled at the minor marches. I was like, guys, no, I thought you were appalled that barely made it. I thought it was gonna be 28 of the other way. It is amazing how quickly though America were very nimble.

1:32:50Yeah, very nimble to to to sweet and understand different ways. I was shocked that it even came close that it did I thought it was gonna be really thought it was gonna be 80 20 against I thought that my Romantic idea or she had traveled there have been around there and stayed there many times got friends there I thought that it was so entrenched in a Born again Red Christianity that that was was blasphemy to the majority. Right. And it was not. It was not. And I remember just thinking, there's an example, not an ideal, but there's not, if you were four gamers, that's not an ideal example, but there's an example of talk about an evolution or adaptability to.

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1:34:36Whereas with men and women, it's 50%. So if you really love marriage, hey, yeah, right? You should love gay marriage because they're doing it right. What do you think about that when to talk about, because we're always talking and thinking about, so how do you make a world a better place? Talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, talk about politicians. But if you go back to the root, beginning seems to be to me to be parenting. Secondly, what if what could be done to get more fathers to just hang stay around? More mothers do than the fathers. A lot of fathers are out early and what could be done if more marriages if we'd work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of I smell the heat getting out.

1:35:29Yeah, there's a lot of that. But that do. You know, do you think that would be a way forward? I have a hunch that it is. I don't know how to do about it, except prop up the reverence for parenthood, prop up the reverence for marriage, to where it's more important to us than it is. Yeah. To stick with it a little longer, to salvage that. Our personal character, our responsibilities, our to take as a parent, and our responsibility that we take and go into a marriage, I would make it mean a little bit more than I feel like it does to us a lot of times. I think it really depends entirely on who the individuals are because sometimes one person is just not keeping up their end of the deal, or they just fall off.

1:36:22Maybe they get into drugs, they become addicted, they maybe they lose their job and they don't want to get it back and they just start drinking it every day and like sometimes a man or a woman has to make a choice. And like, I'm not getting dragged down. I've seen some good, good divorcees too. I was like, ooh, that was good for both of them. There's some people that don't want to change and they will drag you down and there's some people when you met them, they had hope and then eventually that hope just fucking leaches out of them and they're not fun to be around anymore and you try and you try and you try to encourage them, You try to give them suggestions and they don't follow through and if it's a certain point time You can't save a drowning man because you're gonna fucking drown too and you got to just move on with your life And I get it I get when wives leave like that.

1:37:04I get when husbands leave like that, but A lot of people just marry people because they're hot You know, they marry people because they're sexy. They like having sex with them Yeah, you know, they think they're attractive and then you're with some fucking crazy person Yeah, and you're trying to make life work with a crazy person and now you have kids right and now you try trying to make life with kids with this fucking crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the first place. You didn't have anything in common with them other than you like their body. And you liked how sexy they are.

1:37:33That's the trap. Like you gotta, it's a bet, you have to like genuinely love someone, like love their personality, love being around them, love their kindness. And then you have to be someone that other people would love. A lot of people want this perfect person in their life and they're a mess. Oh yeah, there's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out. And one of them is like over time when two boats are traveling together, if one of them just like this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy about life, but it actually works with marriages too. Because all you need is like a subtle turn in one direction.

1:38:15And over time you're further and further apart. We don't have the same philosophy anymore. We don't have the same belief system. We don't have the same ethics or morals or maybe your husband has got a job that you like, you shouldn't be fucking doing this. This is bad for society. Your job overall is awful. Maybe you're denying people health care claims for insurance companies. Maybe that's your thing. And you're like, you're, we have to live with a psychic weight of like, yeah, we're eating rib eyes and we have a nice house. But like how did we get this money like and maybe the wife is like I don't want to do this anymore.

1:38:51I don't want to be connected to you That's that's understandable to like not all marriages are supposed to work out I I agree with you. I think it makes it think is it divorce right now. Yes. What if that was 45? Well, it was Chris Rock had a great joke about that. He goes that's just the cowards that stay He's like how many of them wish they were divorced. He's like, he's really good boy. Really good boy. Because although 50 % get divorced, how many of those 50 % that stay on his cowards? Paying the pennant. Oh, man. I mean, we all have friends like that. We like broke, get out. And they don't.

1:39:31But then we also have people that have great marriages. And when you meet people that have great marriages, it's like, oh, that's possible. That's possible. Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverage going into you're not getting one. They're just, oh, he's hot. We love to shag. It's a cultural milestone too. It's a thing you're doing it because it's like everybody does it. Every woman wants to be married. You want to have a family. Every man wants to, you know, like this is my wife. And so you think that a lot of people live life like they're in a goddamn romantic comedy. They think they're in a movie.

1:40:04You know, they think they're, and they don't, they don't, it's like, there's something about media, something about songs and movies. It gives us this bizarre framework for what a relationship or what life is supposed to be like or what your life is supposed to be like. And it's not real. And what your life doesn't measure up to this movie, just like your life is not going to measure up to your Instagram feed. You get kind of depressed like this is it. Why are we in Galveston for our honeymoon when she's on a yacht? She's in Ibiza. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah, Paris and yeah, it comes.

1:40:44Well, that's also why people put everything on the gram too Everybody they put everything they do look at me here. Haven't so much fun. Look at me smiling. Having a great time Well, you paint yourself in a corner. Yeah, we got Levi Get on grammy turn 15 any No, I don't know if he'll stay on it, but that was one of the things we were talking. I was like dude You know he's surfing at the time. I was like don't just put all your all your best waves Right. Because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner when you go to the break and you're gonna be like, oh, you've seen it. I said, better put some wipe outs on there too.

1:41:15Yeah. Just so you can go and not have that pressure because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner. Absolutely. If life looks too good, you know what I mean? Absolutely. Then you gotta go out and you gotta live up to this. That's a big deal. Oh, that thing that happens in those relationships when you hold the other one, if I make my wife superwoman and she thinks I'm superman, neither one of us can live up to that. Right. And so we're gonna come in under the R expected bar and there becomes the recipe for, you're not who I thought you were. Yeah. Because we had an unfair expectation. Right. Going in.

1:41:46Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that definitely happens too. Also familiarity breeds contempt. People just get tired of being the same space with the same person over and over and like, stop. Lay me alone. Get away. If you'll get sick of people, but it's also like, who did you pick? Yeah. Who would you pick and why they pick you? Are you someone that you would pick if you were a woman? You know, would you want you as a husband? Would you want you as a friend? Would you know? And if not, maybe you should become someone someone would like to be friends with. Maybe you should become someone someone who would like to be a husband.

1:42:26Like to have as a husband. Sitting that passenger seat you're talking about and having a look. Have a look yourself. Yeah. That's why I'm good psychedelic experience every now and then knocks the dust off and gives you a little reset and lets you look at yourself and go okay All right, tell me tell me explain what tell me what that What that does it unpacks some some some some some some some sort of neural cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work But they're sort of they're docked they become doctrinare There's a lot of that in that for sure And I think that's also a dissolving of the ego.

1:42:57That's a big part of it One of the things that most psychedelic drugs having common is they dissolve the ego like completely dissolve the ego, at least for a brief amount of time. And during that brief amount of time, you have a much more objective understanding of, this is why there's so many people who take mushrooms and then completely quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills. They just go, oh my God, like, what was I doing? Like, why was I doing that? Like, you just, you need to get outside of yourself. And I think that that was a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands of years.

1:43:30people did it in ritualistic settings in ancient Ulysses in Greece. The Illusinean mysteries was all about that. And the Lusis, when they would all get together, they would take this track to get, there's a fantastic book on it called the Immortality Key that a guy has been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times, Brian Murrowski wrote. But it's all about, these are the people that figured out democracy. This is like an ancient Greece. And they all did it from having these psychedelic trips. They would all go and have this trek to have this this visionary experience and they'd come back with new insight and ideas Yeah, and it dissolving in the ego I mean they literally came to the idea like hey, maybe we should let everybody have a say in how things run and vote like they invented democracy Which is crazy and they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs Like they found these Clay pots that these people used to keep their wine in and their wine was all mixed up with psychedelics.

1:44:31It wasn't regular wine. We think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage. No, it was wine with Urgot in it. So there was like an LSD Lex substance and a bunch of other stuff. Here we've seen that Dumbo, the animated. Yeah, sure. Okay. I just noticed it. I've noticed it did stop for the scene before recently. It saw it three years ago. So Dumbo with the after the circus goes over, puts his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar and the party. Okay? Stars start to sink. The next thing next edit is he's in the top of a tree. He can fly. That was more than alcohol. It was the sack of the 90s.

1:45:15The cut is directly to him in the top of a tree. That's hilarious. God, I haven't seen Dumbos since my kids were like one. If you see it again, you catch it. It's a fact of the fact. I haven't seen it for, I'm, God, I don't even know if they want to do it. And the crow is real. They're talking shit about him about his, how he got up here. And what are you doing up here, man? You should have seen yourself last night. Talk about it. I don't remember, but I was there. Dumbo didn't remember none of it, man. He just, he ended up in the top. I remember when they were real little, we watched Pinocchio and how creepy it was.

1:45:46I was like, oh my God, Pinocchio's creepy. when the boys got kidnapped and they turned them into donkeys. Yeah, remember that part? Yes. That was Pinocchio, right? Yeah. Here's the part where he has a five minute trip in Dumbo. Oh, really? Let's see it. I mean, it's a whole scene. The pink elephants. Oh, whoa. Oh, he's after he drank that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just drank the slap, right? He's 100 % tripping. And the last we saw was he just drank some. Look at, yeah. Wow. Pyramids. And it ends here. Oh, wow. And so I'm coming back to Earth. Wait, no, he's not back to Earth. He's up in the tree.

1:46:28He's up in the tree. He's up in the tree.

1:46:33That's crazy. I would have never guessed. I would have never guessed that it's a part. But that's actually a part of one of the rides at Disneyland. Is there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland land that looks psychedelic? Yes. Yes. That's right. No, it's Winnie the Pooh. There's a Winnie the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take with my kids. And you go through the ride. It's like a real simple ride. It's not like scary at all. It's like good for little kids. And you get to this one part, I'm like, what are they trying to say here? Like this crazy like, tigger comes out. And tigger is like this psychedelic being and everything is like now in black light.

1:47:11Yeah. Yeah. So Tigger comes out and Tigger's like a freak. Like why is this guy bouncing around on his tail? And then it gets to a certain part get a little forward here where it gets super fucking weird like right here Like what the hell is happening? It's all about honey Like things are like this is like fractal. This is like DMT world This is really weird like what does this have to do with Winnie the Pooh what the fuck happened? It's really weird

1:47:44It's like, what are they trying to say here? I didn't see anything about honey. Yeah, there's something about the honey. It's like something about, well, you know, there's some stuff called mad honey. And this mad honey, we actually ate it on the podcast once some guy brought it. But it's a honey that these, I think it's in the Himalayas, that's where it is, right? Where these guys have to climb up the side of a cliff to get this stuff. Yeah, and these bees are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower? What is the psychedelic plant? So these these bees are taking pollen from the psychedelic plant and they're making a psychedelic Okay, okay, so this is so bad honey is a honey that contains boy say that word great Griano toxins the dark reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of the genus Roto Dairdron, how do you say that?

1:48:40Roto Dendron. It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects. Produced principally in Nepal and Turkey, whereas uses both a traditional medicine and a recreational drug. But see, we'll show how they get it, because these guys, look at that. They have to climb on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff. And people get it just to trip out. I'm actually trying that hard to get ony, that you make like a rope ladder and you cover yourself and a beekeeper's outfit and they're all like these These hives are all connected to the side of a cliff It's really crazy. Yeah It was very bizarre effect to the honey.

1:49:23It's a handsome one. Yeah, so during the three hours after having time Did you get a little bit of a I was it was in the middle of the podcast? I took it at the beginning of the podcast I just took a big I go how much is a large dose and he's like take like a half a teaspoon of it, I fuck it. And I just took a whole big teaspoon of it. And I was like, whoa, this is interesting. How soon did it get to enter? 20 minutes. Okay. Yeah, about 20 minutes in. I'm like, oh, okay. This is a new one. It was like, this is crazy. This is honey. Like, this is your tea. Like, what's going on in the pool? I don't think it's a normal use thing.

1:49:56I think it's an occasional use thing. Well, maybe not a full tablespoon. It didn't, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't like I was out of my head and didn't know what to do. I was completely functional, but it was bizarre that this isn't honey. So these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego and you unlock some of the, you know, just like you got a vacation to reset your life, sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain. Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging on to old shore ideas a little of it less and you have more of an open beginner's mind and the day unravels with less certain concrete expectations or this is how that should go.

1:50:42Very insightful. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, definitely. That's part of it. Like the less you hang on to in your head, the more energy you have for other stuff. Like, I always tell people, especially young comics, like that are like getting on social media and arguing with people one stuff I'm like, look man, think of your time in your day as a new miracle unit, like you have 100 units of time, 100 units of energy. If you're putting 30 of those units on some bullshit online, you're robbing yourself of that time that you could be putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act, your life.

1:51:22You don't need to do that. Like it's a trap. You get sucked into thinking you need to do that and all it does is it just robs you of your energy Yeah, the less you're attached to like old beefs and squat fuck that guy All those kind of things the less you're attached to that stuff the freer you are the more energy you have Yeah, and it's good for you. It's again. It's a selfish thing to do selfish to be kind yep. Yeah You may not yeah Yeah. And I think if those things were legal and more people could experience them in a controlled setting with people who know how to administer them and know the right dose and know, hey, are you on a medication?

1:52:05Well, if you're on a certain medication, definitely don't be taken this job because your medications at MOA and Hibiter and this is, you know, this could really fuck you up.

1:52:17But you know, it doesn't even have to be that man. It could be a fucking good yoga class. Right. It could be a hallotropic breathing. You could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose and out through your mouth with intention. And you'll have a psychedelic experience. You'll get a relief from... I just got one the other day from acupuncture. Did not expect it at all. And I mean, I came out going, oh my gosh, I just felt like I'd be hibernated for a 14 hour nap. and woke up clean as whistle. So you haven't only done acupuncture one time and the dude was a total cook. He was so cooky that I just, I didn't, didn't get too comfortable.

1:52:54He was too weird. Yeah. The guy was so weird. He was really good at acupuncture. But he was just like, he was a really weird guy in LA and he'd have these conversations with you. He was asking a bunch of questions and I was like, okay, I gotta get off of him. This guy, this guy, that's the, that's the, that's the masseuse that I, when you lay down, they go. Yeah. So what's your horse coat? And I'm like, oh shit. Oh no. And I go, any injuries? I'm like, yeah, this left shoulder. Like, hmm, left side of your body. That means you need to get in touch. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I actually got hit by a car.

1:53:26I don't go psycho -lots of garbage just yet, man. Come on. And I'm gonna go horse coat out of a gate. If we were to add that on for some color commentary, afterwards, I'm okay with it. But let's not come out of the gate saying, this is the reason. I actually just reached out to my booking guy I try to get a real astrologer on. Like someone who really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff, because I'm not completely discounting it. I think newspaper horoscope is nonsense. I think there's a lot of people that are just like reading your tarot cards that are just ripping you off.

1:53:58But I always wonder, like at the heart, like astrology is so specific. Like why did they write that down? Why did they have this understanding and go, how the stars are aligned. At the time of your birth. Free mathematics. Yeah. We're part of the Earth you're at. Yeah. I see, I don't even know if it's pre -mathematics. I think it's pre our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged. I don't think that's real. I think they had mathematics long before that. I think civilization was wiped out and had to restart over again. And there's a lot of evidence to that. There's a lot of evidence that, like, society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid impact, common impact, and there's a whole theory behind it, the younger driest impact theory from 11 ,800 years ago, they think we got hit.

1:54:53And there's a comment storm that we go through every September, was it November and June? Is that what it is? Something like that, like June and November. And occasionally we get hit. And you know, there's like 900 ,000 near -earth objects. And it doesn't take a really big one to fuck up everything. It doesn't take one that's going to kill everybody to fuck up anything. It just takes one the size of a block. Like one city block comes slamming into the ice caps and then you just got chaos. And everything goes away. And all like modern conveniences and all organized societies, thrown into chaos, and then people have to rebuild.

1:55:41And I think that's happened a bunch of times in human history. And this is real physical evidence to this younger, driest impact theory, which also coincides with the ending of the Ice Age. It's all around the same time. And they think it was like a series of events. They were thinking we were hit more than once. They think they were hit around 11 ,800 years ago, but then again, something where around 10 ,000 years ago. So it's probably when we see society emerging in like Mesopotamia and Sumer, which is like around 5 ,000 plus 6 ,000 years ago, I think that's just the newest version of it. I think they probably had mathematics long before that.

1:56:18They probably were doing shit. Whoever built the pyramids, like you can't tell me they didn't have some sort of complex geometry in mathematics. There's no way they didn't. The things are pointed to true North South East and West like that's 5 ,000 years ago Carl Sagan I got to sit with him for a few hours before we made this film called contact that I'm a Joe fucking loved it. He do one of my all -time favorite movies. I loved that movie. Oh, and I love Carl Sagan Yeah, he wrote the book. Yeah, yeah got to talk to him and listen to him actually for a few hours Anyway, I got to know his wife and his wife's really cool, but her, her, her hello, her greeting is always, hey, what's your coordinate?

1:57:05Whoa. What's your coordinate? What's your coordinate? Boy, she's, she's out there. But I mean, that was similar of the North South East, which where are we coordinated? Where's the Earth coordinated in the galaxy and the universe in the hands of time? What has happened? and what's our coordinate. It is kind of an out there, but it's a pretty cool objective way to go. Let me think about that. Reminds me of, yeah, like, you ever meet Bush 41? No. Hi President Bush, how you doing today? Why is holding your hand? About an 8 .2 today, Matthew. 8 .2. To the 10th, you'll give you an answer out of 10 to the 10th of how you was doing.

1:57:51How I thought that was pretty interesting because everybody goes, oh I'm good man. Great, great, great how are you? That's some CIA shit son. He was adding it up to the tent. What's your coordinate about an 8 .2? He had numbers and he said, you know, Herbert Walker was the guy that how put off and a bunch of these scientists. He brought them together and said, we have recovered, crashed UFO, more than one occasion, and we have a back engineering program and we're considering disclosure to the American people. I want you to list the positives, the positive impact of society and the negatives. Yeah.

1:58:30And they did it with quite a few different scientists and they all had more negatives than positive. To if they came out with this information, to share this information would be the effect on society. Yes. More negatives than positive. More negatives than positive. Because disruption of religion, government, economy, I mean, I just don't, I just don't, depends on your religion, you know, and depends on where these things are from and what is happening. What do we know? In the Bible, Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky. Exactly. Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. Yeah, the Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter.

1:59:06And it's not the only version of that in ancient texts. In the ancient Hindu texts, they have Vimonis, these things that are flying through the sky. like what are those things? You know, in the big Veda, even in the Bhagavad Gita, there's all these depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology. Like this thing about the Nephilim, like that the gods made it with women and created men who are monstrous. Boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came down and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings? That's a version of it that you could imply from the text.

1:59:49It's all really weird stuff, man. Like really weird. If you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about society. And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after, so how put off was explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they put a numerical value to each thing. I'm like, we were that close. Imagine if that happens, this is 1990, right? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but these kind of really weird things as you put them. They excite you more than they give you fear. Does that be fair? Yeah. I mean, you seem excited. You get excited about different possibilities.

2:00:35Yes. I mean, you know, I have people go, oh man, no, Rogan loves these conspiracy theories. I don't see him liking the conspiracy theories. I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from it and going, no, no, no, because I believe how it was and what I read and that's how it is. That's not where you're moving from. No. It's never a denial of information and facts. And it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the actual facts behind it are.

2:01:16And then there's that term, this pejorative term, conspiracy theory. The problem with that calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies are real. Like there's a lot of evidence. And if you want to sit down I could fucking show you a ton of them and so anybody who says like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, okay Let's talk about conspiracies. Like, do you think that any of them exist? Do you think that people conspire? Is it like it's a natural part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history? Even governments. I mean, sure. Literally, the thing that got us into the Vietnam war was a conspiracy was fake.

2:01:51The Gulf of Tonkin. It was a false flag operation. It never took place at all. They lied to the American people. That's a conspiracy. Like, that's just one conspiracy that turns out to be true. There's a lot of them. The problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist. They've done such a good job of making it a goofy term that you don't ever want to attach to you because damage to your reputation. If you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, fortunately I'm not. But if you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, you don't want to say anything weird.

2:02:23Like, hey, I think aliens are real. People think you're a cook and then they discount your opinion on everything. Yeah, but if you just know the actual facts, like people that don't think there's anything that aliens are real, it's there's no way we're alone. We've never been contacted. Why not? Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday that was talking about cancer research. He was also telling us about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft for is it 1950 that they found it? The first one, the silica one? So the direct chain of possession of this evidence from, I believe it was 1950, and it was almost pure silica.

2:03:08And the magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this magnesium had to have been, And it had to have been sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for 900 years. That's how off the isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on Earth. He's like, I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ever do that, but I'm saying, this is from 1950, like this is a real piece of what they're saying is a wreckage of a craft. and it has a material composition that is impossible for a normal person to create in 1950. So what the fuck is this? And you say that to people and they're like, oh, so Gary Nolan, who's a professor at Stanford, he's a professor in the, what is his forensics?

2:04:03Is that what his, he does cancer research, but what is his actual title? Stanford School of Medicine, professor, anyway, rock solid credentials, published, and people brought him this material, and they said, could you analyze this? Because you know all these different scientists, and Dow Chair Department of Pathology, Stanford, School of Medicine. So when a guy like that is saying, no, there's a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make here. They found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on Earth, and it has an atomic level, layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is. It's like, this is cost billions of dollars to create, and they found it in 1970.

2:04:53Like in 1970, no one had this. It's not possible to make. Like, maybe you could make it today, but we don't have the equipment to make it today. You could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that money today to do something like that, but it would be an enormous undertaking. And this is a piece of craft that someone found for 1976. And when I got like that, it was telling you, like, I'm not saying what it is. I'm not saying where it's from, but I'm saying, this is fucking crazy. It doesn't add up to what we could practically do. So when someone says conspiracies, like, yeah, yeah, I believe in conspiracies because they're real.

2:05:29Right. And because I don't have to worry about being taken seriously. And most people do. Most people don't want to be a fool. You don't want to be a silly person. You don't want to be mocked when people aren't around you. Like, you know, fucking Bob believes that JFK assassination is a far better thing. Yeah. You say, because you don't have to be taken seriously. Yeah. Exactly. Because you're saying your theories on things are solid or because you in your position are going, and hey, I don't have to be taken. My job does not rely on me being taken seriously. Right. Nothing else. What do you say to the, it's like, because you get attacked for like, hey man, you had someone so on here and you placated them and you know, and we do take you seriously, because so many people listen.

2:06:23I mean, because I always, I always hear, and I always find that I think there's a hole in those attacks on you. You have a massive audience of listening. Does that mean inherently, not necessarily, is what I hear you saying, that, oh, everything I say should be taken seriously because that information is going wide. So people's arguments going, Joe, you have a massive audience. So that's your responsibility to make sure, blah, blah, blah, blah, they go down that rabbit hole. My responsibility is only just to be me. I don't have a responsibility to do anything else. I definitely have a responsibility not lie to people.

2:06:56and I definitely have a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie without at least questioning that. If I know that they're lying, but other than that, my responsibility is just to keep doing what I've done. And that's why I have a big audience. It's not because of any other reason. So I'm not going to do anything any differently. No, I see that. I applaud it. I don't think it's good. I don't think it's smart. I don't think you should be paying too much attention to what other people's opinions is what you should or shouldn't be doing are, as long as you have a good internal compass.

2:07:31As long as you have a good true north. And you know. And my true north is, how do I feel about it? What do I feel like I'm a good person for doing this? Do I feel like that was a beneficial thing for them? And for me, I'm happy they're happy. We're all good. And that's what I want. I just want a hug and a handshake. Thank you. That was awesome. Yep. Good times. And I want to hear from them, like this has been amazing for me. That makes me excited. That's all I like. That's cool. You make it sound so simple, but as you probably know, for a lot of people when you're positioning, it ain't that simple.

2:08:05But it is if you follow the right path. It's not that hard. Like people say it's hard. And I'm like, you know, you work so hard. Like, eeehh. Look at us right now. This is me working. It's not that hard. Yeah. I've had jobs. I've done construction. of the like horrible jobs it's suck. This is not a job. This is just a fun pursuit. So you have a responsibility to the people that listen and I think the people that listen expect me to be me. That's all you can do. And as soon as you start changing, they fucking know before you know. They'll like, oh you fucking changed. And people will always accuse you of changing even if you haven't.

2:08:44But I think I have evolved. I've most certainly evolved. I've tempered the way I view life. I'm more, I'm definitely kinder and more patient, but I'm the same person. Same person, like the same goals. Just curious, I'm interested, like talk to people. Yeah. And I want everybody to do well. I really genuinely do. Well, that's a, that's not an overly common trait. It should be, I think it should be too. And it's not hard, I think the way you described it is great, actually is selfish. And I say that all the time, it really is selfish. To be the kind person. I've had them on a crusade to change the understanding of that word because I think we sell ourselves short and With there is a way where what is best for us is actually best for the most amount of people and vice versa Yeah, I agree.

2:09:31It's at the end of the day. It is all got to be very personal Mm -hmm And then to have some dignity in it. It's the difference between choice and a mandate No, you got a choice, but make the fucking right choice measure the choice. You got power when you make the choice. And you deal with the consequences. I love to go, oh, Bogie, they're McConaughey, and I can look at the mirror and go, that's on you. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm gonna make a good decision to something works out. I can look at the mirror and go, good man, we hit that one on the screws. I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then it makes me really reset and go, oh boy, get it back together.

2:10:04What's the last big fuck up you had, really like, oh, I gotta reset it. I don't even have a weird podcast. You're like, that one sucked. Like, maybe I worked out too hard for it, got here. That's not good like that that's a bad one that I do sometimes like I'm in charge in and Get over getting ahead. No, like I'm worn out Ah, and then my brain's not firing on all so like if I do legs like I do a leg day. Yeah, do a lot of squats You like pull the slidie squat to put it in my brain is just like wiped out You know that's not good. I've done that you know I've you know, but it's just when you're not on point.

2:10:38Okay, what did I do wrong? I didn't get enough sleep, you know, maybe I didn't take my neutropics, whatever it was, like maybe I didn't do enough research on the subject, whatever it is, like, let's get it back together. Pull that fucking shit back around. So you put that self -regulation. Yeah. Your self -regulating, because I could have done better. I missed my mark. Oh, when God don't like it when I do that, I'm a little embarrassed when I do that, damn it. I'm so shitty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't leave that situation better than I found it. I didn't come forward. I didn't prepare enough for whatever that might be.

2:11:09man more that across the board. It's good for everybody. Yeah, man. It's gonna be your own general. You're gonna be your own like wake up soldier. You know, I always talk about the cold plunge because it is the one time people say, oh, how do you do it every day? Listen to me very carefully. I almost don't every day. Every day. I get that close to bitching out every single day. I am amazed how weak I am. I am amazed. Every time I go to lift that fucking lid off that thing, I'm like, oh my god, I don't wanna do this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. And then when I get in, I'm like, maybe I only do a minute today.

2:11:52Maybe I'll get out right now. Don't you wanna get out right now? I'm like, shut the fuck up. I get to let the general talk. And the general's like, shut the fuck up soldier. He will stay in the water. I'm like that dude from a full metal jacket. Outstanding. Yes, yeah, yeah, well self -regulation man. Yeah, but every day I almost don't David Gockins told me that too Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met and maybe the most mentally strong human being That's ever walked the face of planet and he said he goes even though I run every day Sometimes I look at my sneakers. I stare at those motherfuckers for half an hour before I put them on Just thinking of him I mean, he's out there running like marathons literally every day and he would just like, I don't want to do this.

2:12:40I don't want to do this. Yeah, he does it. That's the thing. It's like people want to think that people that are mentally strong don't struggle. No, you just, you do struggle. You'd always struggle. Yeah, but you win every time. Right. You make sure that you win every time and you can win every time. But you've got to develop that ability to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want. want to do but you know you should. It's a little bit of that, I don't know if you ever saw that Joe Cavitch interview on 60 minutes. No, it didn't. Six minutes interview, I forget his name was going like, look, so your mental capacity is why you're so good.

2:13:17And my hunch is that, no vacates because you have less negative thought and Joe Cavitch interrupts him. Uh -uh. And you might want to pull this enough. This is good. His answer's great. He goes, no, no, no. I have as many or more negative thoughts. I just get past them quicker than others. Yeah, that's it. So he's not going to be angry with the next thoughts. He's let him come. And then bam, out of the way, I got it. On to the next. Yeah, he has control. Yeah, he has control over those thoughts. They come in and he swatts them down. Yeah, you have to have some negative thoughts if you're going to be an elite athlete because you have to be your own worst critic.

2:13:53You can't be satisfied with anything. If you want to reach the very tip of the top, every movement must be more precise and more explosive and better every time you do it and you have to do all the training and you leave no stone unturned and if you don't do that you're never going to reach the level that he's at. In anything. I'm going to ask you about this. I got a point, but I need to try and remember what it is about. It's success in say MMA, for instance. What's a better resume for a great performance or victory? Suffering to succeed or revenge? Oh, suffering to succeed? Yes. Why? The emotions that come with revenge are crippling and sometimes they can keep you up at night and they'll fuck with your sleep and then the consequences of you losing are far greater.

2:14:53because you genuinely hate this person. Some people thrive under those conditions, oddly, but I would think most of the time, most of the time trying to just achieve the highest version of yourself is the most aspirational. And I think the best of the best do that. The very bad, the George St. Pierre's of the world, they do that. They're playing against themselves. They're playing against themselves. They're trying to be the very best version of themselves that they can be and if they do that right and leave no stone on turn They can achieve greatness. Yeah, but it's not gonna be easy It's it's gonna be they go through hell.

2:15:32I mean to become an elite fighter Is one of those physically difficult things and then psychologically difficult things that a human being can ever undertake Outside of war and maybe law enforcement, you know other than that that you're you're dealing with physical struggle, the likes of most people will never experience in their life. You're literally hurling bones in the direction of a trained assassin and the two of you are going to do it publicly in your underwear in front of the whole world. Barefoot with these little tiny pads on your knuckles and a cup over your dick. And you just get a go out there and kick each other and strangle each other.

2:16:12It's crazy. It's a crazy sport. And so this is balance of the mind and the body and the intention and how you allocate your resources in time and How you manage stress and how you deal with the pressures of trying to succeed and the doubts and the fears In the suffering to succeed. Yeah, it's fair to say I think it is that like the people that you know like the Sing beyond the immediate go Meaning right we choke at the goal line When we look up and get objective and go oh shit fourth and one this could be the game winner How I gotta get his one yard right whereas no I I run I will run through I'll use my ability I will cross the bow Jackson when he scored he go through the in zone down the fucking tunnel The best snipers don't aim at the target they aim on the other side of it getting through COVID, part of what I know helped me was going, oh, it's gonna be like this for 10 years, gang.

2:17:19Family, buckle up. Yeah. In nice 10 years. It was much shorter. Oh, shit, we were preparing for a much longer journey. Going to work out, this is gonna be hell. Get ready for it, dude. And then all of a sudden, you're like, all right, that's it. Wait, I'm done. Projecting past the goal, cellularly, I think wakes up something in a survival level that we don't choke, we don't get fatigued as quickly. We don't want to quit sooner because we have in our mind, no, the end is not right around the corner. Right. And it's a bit of a mental trick, but I think that it has something to do with that, that what champions do, they see beyond.

2:18:02They're playing archmaning right now. There's never been more hype on a quarter for college quarterback ever. I believe that guy is wired and that family bloodlines even wired that they're beyond this height. This height, this is mortal. Right. This is mortal shit, guys. Great. It's about the process of a winning game. If UT goes and wins the championship, they're preseason rank number one. Never been ranked number one before. I believe that this team is like, oh well, thank you for the compliment. But we're on our own mission. That being preseason rank number one or being on the cover of Freaking Sports Illustrate is not a curse nor validation.

2:18:37It's just noise out there. And if we do it and you go, we told you you'd be number one, we'll look at you and go, oh, thank you. But that's it. They don't need a pep rally to go. The rest of the world thinks you can win this too. Right. Well, good for them. We're not playing for them. We're doing our thing. I have a mission here. I believe in a path that I'm on. And I'm going beyond this hype. Or I'm going beyond this game. I'm playing for a whole, I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire season. of hell. I'm prepared to fight this assassin on the other side of me that is wants to defend and do to me what I want to do to them.

2:19:15Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and longer and gonna be more tumultuous seems to be a good way to succeed going beyond in all of a sudden you look up. I get this from when I've done my best acting. I didn't know it was the last day when they yelled cut at the end of the last scene of the last day of shooting, I was walking off to an art scene tomorrow, and they were like, no, no, there is no tomorrow. You were just in the zone. That's it. That's it? We wrapped? Oh, shit. Oh, hey, Joe, how you doing? For the first time? Because you were just locked in. Boom, yeah. Best rounds of golf.

2:19:55I walked off the 18th green, and was heading to the next t -box to look up and realize, no, that's it. You played eight, oh shit, what a shoot, oh, 74. Huh. I didn't look at my scorecard on 16 and go, shh, if I can just keep it in the field and just last three holes and maybe get them with the pods, don't bogey. I didn't anticipate, so I didn't get my room. I behaved and went through the finish line. Yeah. That's something in there is in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge, and seeing on the other side of the target. Yeah, I follow what I'm, what I'm, what I'm, 100%. Yeah. It's also like concentrating on what you're trying to do versus the impact of what it is.

2:20:39Like if I miss this, oh my God, I'm fucked. If, yeah, right. Yeah, instead of that, you're just thinking about I'm going to make this. This is how I make this. This is how I do this. This is how I do this. This is how I behave. It's also in today's world with all the stimulus we're talking about in social media, et cetera. We're all sort of living in the third person or being fed opportunities to live in the third person all the time. It's like we have a jumbo tron. And to use a football analogy, you kick me the ball. I'm running the kick off back and I'm going down the sideline and I see the goal and I think I'm going to score.

2:21:10And then I have a look at the jumbo tron to see how I'm doing. That's when I'm getting tackled for a bite. Yeah. If we step outside, do you have a look at how we do we? Yeah, for sure. That passenger you open up talking about, when you're hitting it comedically is not hopping out. Right. Over here to have a look. And if you do, you'll get lost. You get lost. You get conscious of what you're behaving, what you know how to do, what you're fashion to do. Mm -hmm. And you're out of the moment. Yep. And you become objective. Yeah, when you try to watch, or you get someone do something where we know they're in their zone, right?

2:21:44Like where someone runs in for a layup and it's like the most beautiful movements avoiding the defenders up in the air, drops the ball in and we're like, like wow. When we see someone just hit the zone, we see it in the fight, when we see someone just flow, we see someone flowing like wow, he's feeling it. You know, well, she's locked in. We love that because we know that it's somewhere in ourselves. And maybe at one point in your life, you experienced, you know, I've been playing mini golf or something like it. One point in your life, you're like, I think I felt a little bit of that. Right. How much do you think preparation has to do with the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game?

2:22:27A lot. A lot. Yeah, almost everything. If you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited. You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow. But you have to really have all your bases covered to just so they don't have anxiety if I could have done more. Yeah, that is a big issue with fighters. We see fighters towards the end of their career There's a thing that happens with fighters realize they're probably never gonna be champion And they're just doing it for a paycheck and you know, you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a little soft Yeah, you like You see a little fear in their eyes because they know they really are not focused They're really not dialed in but this is what they're doing for a paycheck now Yeah, and it's not good right because you got the other guy on the other side of the octagon is the opposite that he's dialed in.

2:23:18Maybe he's only like 25 and he's like coming into his prime and you're a stepping stone for him. And it's like, ooh. And the problem fear, that is what, getting actually really injured? Sure. More so than if you were dialed yourself. You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take. And then you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace, right? Because to get to this shape that you have to have, to be able to compete in a five round MMA fight, it's almost impossible to maintain. Like, Chale Sunn has talked about this extensively. It's like, you can't keep it up. It's not like a level of conditioning that you can keep up all year round.

2:23:58You have to peak to it where you're like, your body's barely hanging on. And then you coast the last week to allow yourself to like recover and you just kind of going through movements the last few days. And then on Saturday, under the bright lights, you're at 100 % capacity. I mean, they've been monitoring your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate and checking your blood and your heart rate variability and whether your nutrient levels are, you're fucking finally tuned. Get in there and go. That Saturday night. And if you're not, if you didn't cover any of those bases, you're gonna know the back of your head, you're gonna know, like I'm gonna give it my best, but boy, I don't have a big gas tank.

2:24:38I could have trained harder. and I'm I'm I'm I can still damn excited about this this seems like this uh the blind spot that still is there to be taken advantage of for preparing for peak performance. Darryl Royal Coates of the University of Texas at one couple of national championships here at Texas. It always said you got 12 games in the year. You can expect for your team to be at peak performance level. two Saturdays out of 12. You want to make sure that those two Saturdays are against the toughest teams. You want to make sure that the other ones were like, ah, okay, they did well, but they didn't play to their peak points or against the good teams.

2:25:22And you want to do your best to make sure that the days that they're off, you're playing the shitty teams, that you can beat even if you're not mainly there. That seems like so much more opportunity for that number to rise today to have a much higher number that you can be ready for peak performance. Who are the best preparers in MMA in your mind? Oh, all the champions. When you get to a championship level, when you get to like a Alessandro Pan Tojo or when you get to, you know, Islam Makachev, when you get to like that level, they're all, you're at a championship level. They're all, they all have impeccable preparation.

2:26:02They're all, yes. It's impeccable. impeccable. So the T behind it's measured. It's time. This is yeah, they're all dialed in with diet. They're dialed in with their weight. They're dialed in with strength and conditioning. They're dialed in with their sparring. It's impeccable. You can't compete at a world class level today and not have that. Okay. It's not possible. So physically. Yeah. Mentally. Yeah. Are these two different coaches? Are these one can? Some people don't have mental coaches at all. Some elite fighters have no mental coaches. But some of them do. Some of them, we had this guy Brandon Ebstin the other day that he works with quite a few UFC fighters and he's got a very specific protocol that he mentally prepares them for and he coaches them through things and sets up like a way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself doing things and how you view your performance like to get you into a mindset where once you get into that octagon you're locked into this pathway.

2:27:01Instead of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcome you which can happen to fighters Yeah, but then there's other guys that don't have any coaches for that at all They just have the mindset already and they're comfortable with what they have and they just stay disciplined and just go in there It's it's very personal because everybody's brain is different. Yeah, everybody's they all have like different ways of Expressing themselves different ways how much is technology and diet and stuff helped. A lot, yeah a lot, a lot. Technology, just understanding nutritional balances, understanding like when you do a nutrient analysis of your blood work, like all your deficient niacin, this is probably you're wearing down, you don't have enough B12 in your system, making sure you get the correct amount of protein.

2:27:54Like you can't miss any of those things. if you want to achieve peak performance, you have to have everything, your hydration, your electrolytes, everything has to be dialed in, your sleep, which is one of the biggest ones. Like this is like a lot of these young guys, the problem is they still go out party, they're still hanging out with girls, till two o 'clock in the morning, and then they're at training at 8 a .m. Like you can't do that and be a professional and expect to be world class or expect to beat the guys who are just as good as you but get that preparation. They're going to have an advantage.

2:28:26Yeah, yeah, you know the argument of athletes, you know, who was better than or now? What would they have done then? And what this is? My I think that we've athletes have evolved and athletes we have now are just better than athlete to ever were. Yeah, I think so. And then they're bigger, they're more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific. That they're just better that if they played in that time, they would be that much better than even than they are now. Yeah. seems to be, I think we're just evolving that way. They also have the benefit of watching people do it before them and do it really well.

2:29:01So they aspire to that level and then to surpass that level. Whereas those people were pioneers. Yeah. Larry Bird didn't have a lot of people to watch, played basketball before Larry Bird. There was a few, but black and white footage. It's not like you didn't see it every day. You didn't have it on the internet. Now kids, they can just watch every Jordan highlight reel. Every time LeBron James is scored, every Steph Curry three -pointer, they could watch it anytime they want and then that is a level that they're aspiring to. Think about the football games that kids can watch now and analyze. Think about the fights that people coming up now that want to be a martial artist, they can watch and so they aspire to this level that has already been achieved by the greatest of all time and then they want to surpass that.

2:29:44Which is what human beings have always done athletically all throughout time. It's not like guys who broke records in the 1930s, we don't break those today. Like those are not the same records. Like those don't hold up. We 100 % get better. From 90 years ago to today, there is no comparison. The athletes are far better. And they're going to continue. 90 years from now, probably if there's humans, they'll probably be far better. You know, as an experiment that have happened in the NFL, you know, I think this is correct. I was always in Washington, it was then the Redskins fan. And I think it was 1986 or 1988, that the heaviest offensive line in the average, 286.

2:30:29Somewhere around there, those numbers. Big fellows. Right, but compared to today, that would be the lightest. Right, nice. And then Dallas, with Nate Newton and those guys, had a point where they were going, oh, we're gonna get guys up to 330. Oh, let's give them to 340. and they peaked when someone got to 360, the bone marrow, they were big, but they lost agility and speed, and they went, uh -oh, we hit the ceiling, we went past it, we gotta come back. These are the hogs. These are the hogs. Those guys in the middle with the mustache. Oh my God. Big fellas. Big fellas. Big fellas. The hogs. What a great name.

2:31:09Yeah, that's hilarious. Um, yeah, they hit the top of like now it hit they hit they went too far right The thing was bigger's better so let's get bigger and then all of a sudden agility went They went oh, oh, it's not 360. It's come way back come back down Well believe it or not the UFC heavyweight division has a weight class. You can't be over 265 pounds You can't no They have to wait to to fight for the UFC heavyweight title. You must weigh 265 pounds or below So you're 270. You got to lose weight. You got to weigh in. It's happened before where guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight champion, had a cut weight to hit the 265 pound weight class.

2:31:56He was so big that like 265 was a struggle for him to get down to. Oh, isn't that never going to have to run? Well, I would assume it should. But the problem is there's actually a heavyweight class above that. That's super heavyweight. But we've never had that in the UFC. There's never been a single super heavyweight fight in the UFC. Everything has always been inside the 265 pound weight class, which I think is real weird. Because like, where did that number come from? I don't know. The numbers are real weird anyway, because there's giant gaps in them. It's like one of the major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of weight classes.

2:32:32So in boxing there's weight classes all you got one 26 one 30 one 35 it goes one 35 to one 40 one 40 one 47 one 47 54 with the USC It's like 35 45 55 then it goes 70 85 so you got a 15 pound weight difference And then it goes 205 so you got 20 20 and then you got 260 five so that's 60 pounds for for heavyweight It's crazy. The gaps are just too big. They're gigantic. So that's a major problem with MMA in that there's less weight classes than there should be. And then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas. Like you should have no cap. Heavyweight should be how big is this guy? Like let him fight.

2:33:17You think you can handle him, come in. Yeah. I mean, what about the mountain, that guy from Game of Thrones? If that guy had a fight in UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight. He's too big. He's that guy. almost 400 pounds. You know? Yeah, I never knew that. I thought heavy weights like 265 and up. That's what it should be. Whatever you want to come in with. That's what it should be. Yeah. But there really should be a weight class around 225. There's something like that. What class would that be? You just name a new class? Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing weight class that's like below heavy weight?

2:33:52There's cruiser weight, but then there's a new one. There's a recent one over the past few years that they've developed. But that's one thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think, providing fighters the correct weight class where they can compete in. What does it call? I think there's another one that they're calling. They're calling it, oh God, I can't remember the name of it. Supercruiser weight? Supercruiser. Yeah, that's it. But I think they called it something different though. They had a name for it. Eh. Whatever. Maybe you'll find it, maybe not. But point is, 265 is the limit.

2:34:33So like Francis and Ghana, when he was the heavyweight champion, he used to have a cut weight. He had to lose weight to get down to 265. And then how much did he put on that last weight? He's probably putting a 10 on at least. He's not losing a ton. But he's got to watch his calorie output. He's a massive human. I met him in Saudi Arabia. Big. He's so big. He that's a real tragedy that him and the UFC couldn't Figure it out that bothers me a lot because that guy was he was the scariest every way champion of all time for sure He put guys in orbit. He would hit them and he just go oh It would hurt you like watching it.

2:35:16Oh, no All men are not created equal. That's another problem with fighting. No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how intelligent you are, some people are faster and hit harder than you. Right. And you ain't gonna fix that in the gym. You'll get a little better, but you're never gonna bridge that gap. Yeah. I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player. Did you? Was that your dream? For a while. How old were you when you got that dream? That was young. I was like, I'm gonna dunk. I don't matter how much. This guy sitting here would have worked out in Haason. I was never going to be able to dunk, bro.

2:35:53Didn't have the innate ability. Didn't have the DNA, didn't have the makeup. I bet you could. I bet you could over time. I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. I bet if someone got you on a serious trading program when you're younger, right now it would be rough. It would be rough track. It would be rough on the tendons. Yes. Like a lot of stress. When you get to VRA, just like, Maybe he shouldn't be dunking. How about take dunking off the menu? Yeah, that was what it was. But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy, but it would, you know, it's not as easy as that. Like for some people, they could just dunk.

2:36:26Yeah. Yeah. Well, that thing about not everyone being creative equal. Yeah, you've got to have innate ability. Oh, yeah. And the hustle. Okay, I think. If you got both, and there's a lot of, look, there's a lot of five star players who don't have the hustle. And then there's a lot of some of the most talented ones right because it was too easy to them Yeah, and some of the ones that are as talented, but just will not stop Yep, they will not stop pushing because they had a work harder for everything they ever did Yeah, they have that extra gear and that allows them to be champions. I hear more more CEOs

2:37:05Saying give me Johnny and Jane hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph from Harvard. Yeah, I would agree with that. You mean this one that's ready to come hustle? That's ready to get scrappy, adapt, work, press the edges on the front and the back end. Yeah, give me that. And someone is all in. Yeah, you want someone who's all in. You don't want someone who's looking at the clock, wants to leave. Someone who's just like doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough. Do you want someone who's like fully all in on their work? Do you think there's theories about with AI coming that now more than ever, that's what you need is the one that has more of a liberal arts education.

2:37:56I know a little bit a lot of things and I can hit many different avenues rather than being an expertise in one certain thing. I mean, it's like just what six years ago, you tour the campuses that were like computer programming. That's what you want your job to be. That's what we need. Right. Now you don't. Now it's over. Don't tell them you don't get into programming. So what specifics are the jobs or the creations of occasions that are going to be out there for our youth here coming up that are going to be like, that's how you're going to make it. I question the college education now. I question the worth of it.

2:38:31How much is it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to changing times and needs in the workforce and how much of it needs to be updated for getting young men and women prepared to go into the workforce. Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's really unknown territory. And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that we never thought we were gonna lose. I think lawyers are off. I think they're in trouble. Coaters are gone. Counts are gone. The counts are gone. Yeah, it's gonna be really fucking weird. It's gonna be really weird for Hollywood. I mean, you've seen some of these films that, if you've seen the old Star Wars that they're doing, they're remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke Skywalker.

2:39:14Like when he was young, like when Luke Skywalker's, they're doing completely new scenes that look exactly like HD versions of Star Wars in 1975. It's what it looks like. But it's in HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice, So it sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. It's bananas man. It's bananas. There's a lot of weirdness with music. There's a lot of weirdness with literature. You're gonna have all sorts of AI, so no one knows what's going to survive this. I think I assume that a bunch of people at the end of the day are gonna get really sick of artificially created things and want something that they know was made by a person.

2:40:02with an an a book that is made by a person or a song like an all over I think we're gonna want yeah tangible we're gonna want physical yeah books are gonna be like like you know some people just love El vinyl yeah love them they just love the press in the needle down here in the crackle and that's that's what there's gonna be a lot of that still people gonna want to buy books from people that actually wrote the book they're gonna want to go to see a guy perform music in an actual club where you see the guy on stage, know it's live. There is always going to be a desire for handmade things, a guy made this table, I know them.

2:40:44You know? But other than that, man, no one knows. It's the unknown because no one knows what the capabilities of these things are going to be. Well, and the tech, the AI tech companies keep saying, trust is a lot of jobs are going to be lost, but I was going to create so many other jobs. But I haven't heard anyone answer what those jobs are going to be. Yeah, I don't even think they know, honestly. They don't even know why these things are so good at what they are good at. They keep getting smarter and smarter and they blow them away. like Elon told me that every week he has like these new discoveries that is like, wow, this is crazy.

2:41:25Every week we're blown away. So they just, it just keeps getting more and more capable. We don't know where this is going. So if you're in college right now, like, I mean, it's so cliche to say follow your dream, but really do follow your fucking dream, because that might be the only thing that you've got. Right. Because if you think you're just going to get a really good job in an industry that might be completely wiped out in three years by AI. That's a lot of people are going to be going down that path. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. He's crime going to go up. We have people out of jobs. What are these people going to do?

2:42:05I think it's universal basic income. It's probably the only way to solve, at least on the short term, how we're going to lose a lot of stuff. Look at you men you got a lot of little tabs in there. I did very organized. You're very organized Well, yeah, these are one that I thought could be cool com that cool conversation starters for For us and we've kind of covered actually some of them You're at anyone read poems on the show before yeah, Alex Friedman. Yeah, all right You want to find a good one? We'll wrap it up with a great poem. Yeah, man. Let's go This book is out right now. No September 16th.

2:42:48Oh, okay. September 16th. This is a fun one that I wrote. It's kind of based on extra credit. It's kind of relying on fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we rely on the extra credit participation trophies. It's where this one kind of started for me. So I made it to fun one. And it may get us talking about something called tips included. When extra credits included, credit doesn't get us due. When more gives us less, the exchange rate is going to skew. When amnesty is offered going into the crime, we're more bound to commit it because there is no fine. We start playing to tie instead of going for the win.

2:43:38when participation is the trophy for every cow in the pin. If I stay on the porch because you picked up the slack, when you look over your shoulder, I can't have you back. If there is no curfew, we'll stay out all night. No tab at our bar, we get drunk and start a fight. All these long lenses got us losing our sight. You keep lifting it for me, I'm going to lose all my might. When a four -star duty suits a six -star rate, We take our hands off the wheel, rely on fate. Eating all we can, as all we can eat buffet, gives us a 3 .8 education and a 4 .2 GPA. We steal from ourselves and get away with the scam.

2:44:20What's the measure of merit with less give a damn? These unlimited options, they sure got me confused while all the conveniences keep me properly looted. In this red light district with the whore of inflation, the ROI's math don't pay for the vacation. So let's just admit it, this extra credit's quite a fluffer, because when the tips included, the service will suffer. That's great. That's really good and dead on. You fucking right on the head. Perfect. to Fallenman. I mean, yeah, I think I came in my 11th place team got the same size trophy as the first place team and I was like, they went O and 10, but the winning team went 10 and O.

2:45:10You kind of like saying, oh, the winning team went 5 and 5 and the losing team went 5 and 5. I don't get it. Don't hurt it. Don't hurt the feelings. Don't lose. Don't get told, no. Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes. That's how you learn and grow and you can't protect anybody from that And that's the problem we want to do that with our children with like All my best friends all my favorite people had terrible chaotic childhoods and they all became very interesting people But I don't want my kids to have a terrible chaotic child I don't want to have like a wonderful love filled, you know, bountiful childhood.

2:45:48Yeah, but that comes with yeah Well, I think they have to find things that they find that are difficult, that they get engrossed with. They really love to pursue. And fortunately my kids do that. But I think you have to have a struggle. You have to have a task. If you just want to like, oh, you get a trophy too. Everybody gets a trophy. It's okay. No, there's no losers. They got hard. Okay, quit. when my kids were real little, one of my daughters was playing in a soccer game and they didn't, they wouldn't say the score. I'm like, but I know the fucking score. I just watched, they lost.

2:46:31That's the against it. It's those scores. This is so crazy. But they were doing this in California. They had like, scoreless games. I'm like, okay, I mean, look, but look why are you trying to score then? Why are you trying to score if you don't count it? This isn't making any sense. This is soccer. soccer. Soccer has a, why is that going to keep them from scoring? Exactly. What's the point? It was the belly a little crack. Everybody that wants to put the rules, pick it up with your hands. This is stupid. If you don't have a loser, you don't have a desire to get better to become a winner. That's the part of the process.

2:47:04Sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by the way, if you don't ever go through that, then you don't understand how to lose. So you never develop a healthy ability to manage competitiveness. Yep. Namaste. That's not good, man. We'll just never get that, man. They never get healthy competition. It makes for a very unhealthy person. So you're not being able to just compete. Well, especially once they leave the house. Yes. And they're on their own, because the world's your place by the rules and the score is kept. Yes. And you don't win everyone. Yes. No matter how good you are. Yes. And there's nobody coming back and tuck you in bed and say it's okay.

2:47:46Let's put some ice on it. You're gonna wake up call. That wake up call. That wake up call. It's cold. It's cold. I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus. It'll be out in October. It's gonna be in theaters for a couple weeks and it goes on Apple and Streams. You remember the Paradise Fires in 2018 in Paradise California? Yes. Yeah. I think the number's 30 people are so died. had. Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on NPR and went to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass, who's director of Captain Phillips, United 93, Black Sunday. Really good action director but also with a good personal and dramatic story in it.

2:48:28And then they came to me for it. And there were a lot of heroic people at that time that went, ran towards the crisis instead of away from the crisis, but this one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher that got 22 kids to safety was the story we picked to tell. And we went and shot it in Santa Fe, this guy that I play is, oh here's the trailer.

2:49:03Yeah, we're not listening to, so just tell me what most trailers going on. Okay, so this guy, Kevin in our story, comes back home because his dad has passed away. He's going to take care of his widowed mother and try to reunite with his son, which by the way, check this out, you know. My mom plays my mom and Levi plays my son. Oh, wow. It'll move you, man. Your mom plays your mom. That's cool. Yeah, so he comes back through that and he gets a part time jobs as a school bus driver. He goes out that morning as a fire coming across the canyon as they always do. No problem. First responders head out.

2:49:41Well, by the afternoon, you got no out of hand. It was jumping to canyon. And so that afternoon as he's now decided, oh, shit, I got to go back and get my mom and my son. Neither one of them drive, get into safety on the way home, barging home to go parts in the highway to go get them. a call comes through dispatch. I got 22 stranded kids and he sat it down. Is anyone over there with an empty bus? Whoa. Guess who's got an empty bus? Psh. Fuck. I'm gonna go get my mom and my son, man. But he takes the call and says, I'll go get him. He goes and gets him a teacher. Their teacher gets on the bus and this is their story of about eight hours of going through hell and how and if they got out of it.

2:50:24And really awesome adrenaline pumped action, which you're going to get from green grass and story like that. Like the fire, this is as good as a fire movie as there's been. The fires are fucking predator. It's from the POV. It's like jaws. The fires actually like the shark and jaws in this thing. Plus a really cool story of redemption, father's sons, and you know, two people doing what they can survive. when there were no contact. All the cell phone towers were down and the dispatch were down. No one had any contact. So he didn't know if his mom and son were okay. He didn't know where to go, where the traffic jams were.

2:51:03And what happened is the first responders left early to go get the fires when they got there. It had already jumped the canyon. So when they were coming back to town, the mandatory evacuation, the whole town's leaving. It couldn't get back in town. So it's a bit of a horror film in that way. But um movie I'm fire as predator. Yeah, that is what it feels like if you ever get stuck in one of those things Yeah, it feels like a monster. Yeah, that sounds awesome. That's pretty good. It's tough tough. Maybe buddy good one Beautiful. Yeah, I can't wait to see it cool me. Thank you for being here man.

2:51:39He's a lot of fun I really enjoyed it. Thank you and that poem was awesome. That was really good. So dead on the head Thanks. That's the best participation trophy poem of all time That's really good. The book is called, there it is right there, poems and prayers. Out soon, pre -order now. Did you do the audio? You did, of course you did. You have to. You can't have an actor doing your voice, how dirty. Yeah, that would be impossible. Yeah. Okay. Thank you brother, appreciate you. Hey, thanks. Goodbye everybody.