#2383 - Ian Edwards

34:04You have to. And see what it feels like. You do. You do when we're hanging out. Mm-hmm. You talk bad shit when we're hanging out. That's true. You say some wild shit. You just take it down a notch when you get on stage. You just got to treat those people the same way you treat your best friends. I don't trust people like that. I don't either, but that's why I take their phones away. That's why they all have their phones in the yonder bag. But also the phones in the yonder bag. So I want, look, it's hard for me, man. I get it. It's hard for me to not check my phone. I want to like see if anybody texts me.

34:37I get bored for three seconds. I'm like, what's in the news? Three seconds. I get it. But sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody. It's good for us because we get a chance to fuck around and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that like, there's a bunch of times you say something the first time you're like oh that did not sound good right i gotta figure out a softer way to say yes i can feel people tighten up yeah i didn't mean it that way it's just i'm trying to figure out the right way to say it that's just the way it came out it comes out bad right patrice had a great line about that he's like you got to realize that a bad joke that offends everyone and a great joke both come from the same place right is i'm just trying to make you laugh right it's not i'm a devious person it's gonna sneak through some agenda to ruin your mind no you're just trying to make people laugh right but sometimes people think something's gonna be funny and it's just not right and you try it and you go fuck and you can give up on it or you could figure out a way to make it work like there's been a like chris rock had that iconic bit.

35:45I love black people. I hate. So he takes that bit and he said it just bombed for like the longest time. He could not get it to work. He's like he knew there was something in there, but it was just bombing. Right. And I asked him how long. He said like a year. Oh, right. Like a year. And then it became iconic. Yeah, yeah. He just figured it out. And sometimes there's bits like that. They just like you got you got to take the chance at offending people. You don't mean to offend them. Your season, your shot. The NFL season is rolling and every touchdown can bring you closer to a payout with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL.

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37:56Digital games and commercial use excluded. Restrictions apply. Additional NFL Sunday ticket terms at youtube.com slash go slash NFL Sunday ticket slash terms. Limited time offer. And I don't mind doing that. Like, I do have bits. I have bits that offend people that shouldn't even offend people. Oh, there's always going to be that. There's always that. But there are bits where I'm like, all right, I'm going for it here. But there is like, I still have these rules about offending people. You don't want to offend them. not that i don't want some people some things that i think are ridiculous i'm gonna go for it right but there cannot be a paper trail back to me

38:38where i have to apologize right right right so i'm like i'm like a careful protagonist or a careful antagonist yeah you know like i do want to antagonize i do want to say some shit but I'd be like, I can't say it that way. So I don't know, maybe I have to take more risk. I got to figure this out. Like, you know how we talk about these naturally, like we talk about Joey and we talk about Cat and all these, and Cam, I feel like there's a gear left in me. Oh, right, yeah. That I'm having trouble accessing. Well, oh, that's interesting. And I don't want to be like them, but I feel like there's this freedom in my version of me.

39:33Right, right, right. Yeah. No, I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying. And I know you can get there, too. It's not like outside of your reach. Right. And I think it's numbers. I think that's a lot. It's intention, like putting your intention on that and really, really working hard on that. And then it's numbers. a lot of it is doing numbers. You know, one of the things I found, I was doing, at my club, I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night. It was too much. It's like six hours of comedy. But, but, it's like a guy who's training for a fight. Like, you don't want, you can't train the way you're training for a fight all year round, because your body will break down.

40:12So fighters, what they call peak. So they peak for a competition, and then they get into the last week, And the last week they coast so their body gets a chance to recover so they go into the fight They're basically almost killing themselves But in that almost killing themselves when you recover for that week you come out so strong and So I think I was doing I was doing that for like I was good at that for about three months Which is like a fight camp and then it was like my voice started going I was like this is kind of crazy six hours of comedy a week is a lot But there's a freedom that comes from doing that many sets.

40:51There's a freedom of exploring thoughts. There's a lack of tension, which holds us back. And most things that people do that are difficult, one of the key things that holds them back is the tension. It's tension. It's fear. It's like you're tight. You don't feel loose and relaxed. And you know you can feel loose and relaxed, so it's very frustrating. Like, what is that? Where is that loose thing? I know it's in there. I've got to find it. Yeah. I remember the first time I killed. And it's nothing now, but at that moment. It's nothing now. It's always something. But when I've seen, like, Jerry Seinfeld at the same club kill for an hour on a weekend.

41:35Right, right, right. In his prime. Yeah. I was like, oh, shit, I didn't really kill. I just did okay. But the first time, like. Getting a great response. Getting a great response from beginning to end after like you're struggling, you're struggling. You barely got one joke that works. Yeah. And then I went on that night and everything just hit. But not only did everything just hit, I watched it. Like, it was a real out-of-body experience. Like, I was watching me. I was watching the audience, but I was on stage. And then when I was done and the applause and the laughter, I floated off. And then it ended.

42:19And then I was really addicted. That's when I got, because I got high on stage. I'd never even done drugs then, but I said, this is what drugs feels like. And I'm addicted to that. You got into the passenger ride. So the passenger ride is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of your own act. you're so in it that and you so like you're so not getting in your own way yeah that you or you get you're like the other part of you is like we got this let me take care of this like oh this is so much fun let me sit back and watch this dude work and you don't get in the way that other dude he gets in the way it's like if you're driving with someone and they're a backseat driver like there's a guy coming on the right i fucking see him man relax shit i'm not even on my blinker on You know, there's people like that and they make you tense.

43:08Yes. Right? That guy is in your head. That person who makes you tense when you're driving, that fucking backseat driver, that is in your head. That fucks with you all the time. Like you might think it doesn't fuck with you. Yeah, it doesn't because I don't even hear it or see it. I just know. He's there. That something must be there. Yeah, but if you can. The backseat driver. If you can control that, then you're zen. and you get to that zen place and you know you can get to that zen place and you've done it a bunch of times then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there yeah because i did it that night without trying right like i walked on stage just like that night just like any other night so what was the difference with that night that i had this were you recording back then no no i got lucky that i met this guy mike donovan who's a big comic in boston he was a big headline in Boston, very funny guy.

44:06And he recorded all the sets. He would bring like a fucking tape player back then. Yeah, you'd have to bring a whole... Fucking thing, you had a press and shit. And he goes, you never know. He goes, there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing you've ever said, and it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it. And it might be like the best part of a bit. You might have like a new, completely new tagline that comes in your head in the moment and it kills and it becomes like the main punchline of the bit. like you have to record those if you don't record those you'll never get those i record all my sets now yeah and then you i do have those moments when you're like i didn't even remember saying that this is the best thing i've said in months yeah that's how nobody wants to do that extra extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand i'm like ew right yeah i know it's gross it was it was tough for me to get myself to listen to myself it's hard Yeah.

45:00But, you know, this is like I think one of the things that we're dealing with and this is what we try to address at the club is that there's there's never been like a curriculum of how to do stand up. and there's one there's no one can really tell you how to do it because everybody has a totally different way of doing it but at least we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we would we what we did wrong and why we think we did that why it comes out clunky and and then at the club the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a bunch of spots So there's two days of open mic nights.

45:42So you have two nights with open mic nights. And then you have the door people who are real comics who audition for the job with their act. So Adam has to watch their act and say, okay, you've been doing this for X amount of years. You've got real potential. And it's like you get a chance to watch Colin Quinn. You get a chance to watch Ian Edwards. You get a chance to watch Shane Gillis. All these great comedians. Jimmy Carr. All these great comedians are there all the time. It's like the greatest education and stand-up that you could ever and everyone's cool to you Everyone's gonna be friendly everyone's gonna answer questions everyone's gonna end and then you got kill Tony Which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in America today the number one place is kill Tony Yeah, if you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute You could change the course of your whole life.

46:33Yeah Yeah, that gave me chills because I've seen that mm-hmm. I've seen that there on that show changes the course of your whole life forever and ever you will you you're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five six years you don't know if you could you know you're living in seattle the scene's not that good and you say fuck it i'm gonna go to austin you scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter you get in your car you drive all the way to texas you put in for one minute you don't get up you stay there i'm gonna stay on monday you come back next monday you don't get up you're like oh my god I'm running out of money you start thinking I should get a job and then you you get that one minute and boom you fucking kill you fucking kill and then you go home you're like oh my god I'm doing it I'm doing it it's actually happening and then next thing you know you're a professional comedian you're torn all over the world it's pretty crazy it's pretty crazy because some people they'll just come to town for that one night one day they They should if that's all they can do.

47:33And see if they can get up. And if they don't get up, it's a drag. If you do get up, if you just do mediocre, that's not good either. That's a soul crusher. If you bomb on Kill Tony, that's a soul crusher. Then you got to try to come back. But, yeah, it's worth it. Bro, dudes have gone on stage for the very first time in their life in Madison Square Garden to a sold-out show.

48:01that's like the first time you lace up the gloves you fight mike tyson when he was 20 they deserve that they fucking deserve that you oh my god as you said in the place where mike tyson yeah it's like fighting mike tyson who's 20 is the first time you ever lace up the gloves you you didn't take one practice and your first opponent is mike tyson and his prime Madison Square Garden. After he just beat Trevor Burbick. Right, right. Good luck. Or even before he beat Trevor Burbick, even better. Better. Madison Square Garden, while Custom Auto was alive. Yeah. Madison Square Garden, sold out show, Kill Tony.

48:36You're on the bill. Dice Clay is there. Oh, shit. Big Jay Oakerson. David Tell's there. Shut the fuck up. Oh, my God. Why would you do that? Because I feel like some of those people are narcissists. Well, some people are just insane. Right. You know, it's like you ever watch street fight videos like why are you fighting? You don't know how to fight at all. This is so crazy. And they're starting it. And then all of a sudden they're out cold. People are crazy. I know. I watched some of those backyard fights. Yeah. Oh, I watch a lot of those. Yeah, yeah. Like I forgot the one that I watch, but it's pretty popular.

49:10And they got like a cage, a fence around it. A fancy cage. And they try to make it official. Right. But I'm like, I'm watching this more than I watch UFC. Because it's raw. There's something about it. There's something. What is it about that that I won't watch Division II soccer? I'll watch the Premier League. You feel me? Yes, I do. That's a good point. Like, do you watch the other professional below UFC leagues sometimes? You do? Yeah, I do. But, like, for me, I'm a soccer snob, so I want to watch. There's too many of the best guys playing all week. I think soccer is a different thing, though.

49:49I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress. And then there's a thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there. So there's like a lot of dudes that you just hear about. Like I'll hear about it through the grapevine. Like this guy trained with this guy and he tells me that. And then he's fighting for LFA. And this is like his debut fight. And I watch it. Oh shit, here we go. Because there's guys out there that you never even heard of. that are in like 1FC and the PFL, these other organizations that are world beaters. They're like elite, elite fighters. So I have to pay attention to as many organizations as possible because there's always a bunch of people that come over, a bunch of Russians, man.

50:31Damn, there's a lot of Russians. A lot of beast Russians. A lot of beast guys from Dagestan. A lot of beast guys from all those fucking people from that part of the world are hard-ass people, dude. I want to ask you about this one guy. Now, I stumbled on, they said he's the best fighter in history. He was in the UFC little. So he started out when he was 19 in this thing where it's like flat, but kind of like a little slope. Like banked on the sides? Banked on the sides. Oh, you're talking about Frank Shamrock. No, but this was a black guy. Okay. And then he had a kid, then became a cop, and then maybe like when he was like 30, got back in.

51:21And he did. Boy, this is like translating in ancient language. How do I not know who this guy is? You don't know enough about MMA to describe it to me. I know. Tell me who he fought. You pulled up with your ship. You just give me one fucking name. I'll tell you exactly who this is. I can't even give you one organization. But there's no way he was the best fighter of all time. Hussein is the best fighter of all time. Is it like a YouTube video? Yeah, it's a YouTube video. They put the comments. This episode is brought to you by Paramount+. Sylvester Stallone is back as the ultimate kingpin, Dwight Manfredi, in the original hit series Tulsa King, now streaming exclusively on Paramount+.

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53:30I saw his compilation stuff before, and this was before UFC. And then I said, hey, man, is this guy real? And you were like, yes. So this guy. So Izzy's a perfect example. I had my eyes on Izzy for years. Right. Because in the kickboxing world, he was fucking people up with style points. Yes, this guy too. Yeah, okay. And you don't remember his name? Is Mike? Let's try Mike something junior. that's all my cats good through you how long ago was this was a youtube video you're watching youtube video like is it how long ago it's probably like six months shit he's probably gone through 50 000 videos yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah jamie can't even find he's like that's not enough information sir you can put that in the chat gpt he was a cop and he's married to like a female fighter now but he was like his style was like you know the type of stream of consciousness type of comedy he would do the you know the thunder kick on the regular okay rolling thunder rolling thunder kick on the regular that was just like standard like he his feet were his hands and and his hands were like feet too and he was just very explosive and he did one time a few times like two guys beat him because he did go to the usc for a little bit towards the end of his career and he did fight some k1 shit he fought in everything but god you're driving me crazy i know man i wish i had more info bro because i want to know If you tell me who this is, I can tell you everything about them.

55:14But it's like I'm trying to figure out through this puzzle. This is like hieroglyphics. Are you getting this? I think there's too many keywords I'm trying to lock down. I'm trying to run this through Jamie's brain. Jamie usually is pretty psychic about this kind of shit. He'll figure out who the fuck it is. But your amount of information is like I would think of you as a suspect now. if you're a witness I'm like the way this guy describing the scene I don't like it I pulled the other detective aside I go I think we got our guy this guy's full of shit he's trying to throw us off the case I think he works for the other team he's an agent I should have bookmarked this guy you should have bookmarked I should have bookmarked this guy because I was like I need to know if this guy is really like this narrator is saying but he fought in all the legit things I'm almost thinking are you sure that this was one real person and they didn't just put together a bunch of stuff.

56:11Did you get hoodwinked by some AI? He was bald-headed. How about that? Oh, boy. Had a low flat top. How about that? Trying to figure out who this would be. Light-skinned black guy. God damn. Lanky. how like how long ago i guess that might be better yeah what year are we talking i would say he might of ended his career like the like 2008 2005 ish or something like because i was like when i was watching it i was like oh i gotta start watching first fights but then it got to like oh this this guy's retired now and he was like he retired like maybe like late 30s listen there's a lot of guys unfortunately that are really good really good and then you watch him like one or two fights and you go, oh, my God, this guy might be the best in the world.

56:59It's just the game is so brutal. It's the most brutal sport ever. You're using your body to try to break another person's body. Damn. And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness. Damn. Or take their legs out until they can't walk anymore. I remember one time we went to a fight, and then I said, I say, Joe, why are they, you know, they walk to the ring together with their whole crew. And then right before they get into the ring, they hug everybody. And I was like, I'm like, why are they hugging? They're going to be right there outside of the octagon. And they're going to be yelling instructions.

57:39And they were in the locker room together. But right before the person enters the ring, it's almost like a goodbye. Because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered. Yes. Or at exit at all. Yes. You know, so that's what fighting is to me. It's like, that's how dangerous it is. Like, when you're like, goodbye. Well, it's the last thing you could do to support that person that you love that's about to go do that. Right. It's real hard when you watch your friends. It's real hard when you watch your friends get beat up. Damn. Yeah. Real hard. Yeah. You know, it was real hard me watching Cormier when Jones beat him up.

58:20Right. That was hard. The Stipe one was hard. you know especially the one with steve k o'd him against the case it's just hard yeah because you know them you know them as human beings you know you know what that's kind of toot them it's fucking devastating it's like it's like a loss it's like you lost a family member or you lost a dog yeah it's affecting you right now shit just thinking about it that's like it's hard man i start crying yeah but like for me the hardest one was shab because shab shab didn't want to quit and i was like dude you the thing about brendan that most people don't know is how many concussions he took outside of the fights so you see the fights but he's this part with shane carwin man shane carwin was the interim heavyweight champion the biggest fist ever registered in the UFC.

59:12He had like five XL fists. Bro, he's so big. It was ridiculous. He looked like in the Avengers. He would be like the Hulk. He doesn't look like a real human. Like all the other people are there, and then there's Shane Carwin. He was a freak. He was a freak. And Brennan Schaub and him used to spar all the time, and he would get knocked out all the time. That's crazy. He would get concussions all the time, all the time. He got a concussion like days before he fought Ben Rothwell. He got a concussion days before he fought Noguera. Like he was getting concussions all the time like in the gym. Yeah, that's crazy.

59:52So I knew about all that shit too. And I was seeing the effects. And I was like, you got to get out now. If you don't get out now, there's no happy ending. There's no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked out a lot. Right. It's terrible. I was watching a video the other day of that dude who fought Mike Tyson when he got out of jail? Remember when Mike Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost? Right. Was it a white guy? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And that dude, I found the video because I sent it to my friends. I was like, bro, brain damage is real, fellas. Oh, shit. Because it's just unfortunate. But you watch a guy talk and you go, oh, okay.

1:00:30This is just how it goes. Yeah, like Hearns. Yep, all of them. All the greats. All the greats. You know, Sugar Ray seems to have kept it together pretty good. Yeah, yeah. But there's a lot of these guys. I'm not going to find it. Is that? That's right. Peter McNeely. Yeah. This is the guy that fought. And he fucking went after him, man. He went after Tyson, which is crazy. Like, he pushed him away. He's trying to get after him. But, bro, Tyson. And he's got some movement. He headbutted him there. But Tyson looked phenomenal back then. Like, physically phenomenal. Look how good he looked. He just took him apart.

1:01:04Just that knockout alone. What how's the rest of your life gonna be cuz he's not even Did his corner jump in yeah, they said that's enough. Let's we know where this fucking story ends, right? That's a good corner right there. I was reading about Jerry quarry Yesterday Jerry quarry was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten His license back so he took three years wouldn't fight in Vietnam And they took away his they took away his championship and they took away his license to box He couldn't make a living for three years and then he fought this dude Jerry quarry and It looked like he had been on the couch Ali didn't look like Ali anymore didn't physically look like Ali and it wasn't ripped He look he didn't look fat, but it look kind of like wasn't Physique was of old Ali it changed the way he fought honestly like look at him there it looks good but still a little pudgy but yeah but not like in comparison right so this was the first fight back and jerry core was like this just really tough irish guy right and um him and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific gym fights he was a good fighter man Real good fighter, but he died young, and he had terrible CTE and dementia before he died.

1:02:31And so did his brother, and his brother only had a few professional fights. See, Corey had a bunch of pro fights, and he fought guys. I believe he fought Frazier. He might have fought, like, Ken Norton. He fought, like, big-time heavyweight power punchers and legends. Ooh, that was a good left foot fight. Plus, he's Irish. You don't know. You didn't count the amount of bar fights he had. You know what I mean? But the big thing, man. Oh, damn. That's a beautiful combination. You forget how good Ali was. Even when three years off, dude, he looked sweet. But now I want to show you something different, though, because we're seeing this Ali.

1:03:06First of all, take care of those fucking, those strings. Hey, referee, tie that shit off. Tape that. Tape that shit off. And cut it. Show me Ali versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams. This is my favorite fight to watch. If anybody never saw Ali before I said you gotta see Ali Before they made him retire and then you got to realize we lost three years of this Ali Who was different than anybody who had ever boxed before anybody? So this is prime Ali like look at the difference right away in the movement, right? The one who fought Jerry Quarry was kind of standing in front of him more, you know, and he was boxing him and looking good, but this Ali is like, good luck hitting him.

1:03:53Good luck, dude. Look at this. This is awkward. How do I stop this thing from moving so I can hit it? And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, was a killer. He had vicious power, man. Look at his build. Cleveland was a dangerous puncher. Dangerous puncher. You couldn't let him hit you, but good because Ali wasn't gonna let him hit him. And bro, he tunes him up in this fight And at the end of the fight, scooch along so he could see, like, because he cooks him. Is this before he beat Liston? Yes. Yes, quite a bit before he beat Liston. Because he beat Liston. No, no, no, no, no.

1:04:28Excuse me. I was thinking of, I was not thinking of Liston. I was thinking of Foreman. Foreman. He beat Liston to win the title. This is after that. After that. So this is when he was already Ali. Because when he beat Liston, it was in black and white, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. So this was right before they made him retire. So this is like 1967. So this is before the forced retirement. Yeah, look at that Oh, he just walked right into it. Moving backwards Moving backwards with the one-two and it's so pretty. There's no wind-up man It's just people who don't think boxing is beautiful. You gotta watch Ali Cleveland Big Cat Williams and you should watch a little bit of Big Cat Williams before that you see the slugfest that he was in We was fucking people up and you know how dangerous this was for Ali But look at him.

1:05:13He's just bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. I mean, that's beautiful, man. Yeah, Ali took him to his world. Took him to his world. He's like, this is a moving man sport. Exactly. We're not going to just stand in front of each other and just have a slugfest. And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division to ever move like this. I mean, nobody moved like this back. Look at that combination. Woo! And then he stands over him with his hands up. It's extra embarrassing with that hairstyle.

1:05:43You had your hair done, bro. Like you had the conking it. You had some women fixing it up and pressing it for the fight so you could go out afterwards. Bro. Like he never wore the suit that he bought to go with that hairstyle for the after party. Wait, did this keep going after that knockdown? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, shit. That's crazy. They let that guy fight another round? Oh, my God. It was the end of the round, so he was saved by the bell. They used to have Saved by the Bell back then, too. Oh, shit. I feel like because of his reputation and how many punches he's taken in his life, in his career before this, you have to let this keep going.

1:06:24Bro, he just did the shuffle on him. Oh. Now he's feeling it. Look at this. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. See, this is the Ali that we missed. God, the guy got back up again. Cleveland, Big Cat Williams was a stud. Yeah. To get back up all these times from that, look how good Ali looks, man. Oh, my goodness. I mean, he looks like a middleweight. It's like a middleweight fighting heavyweights. And you know what was unfair about Ali? Because, you know, all the boxers back then had chins. So you feel like somebody with Ali's style would not have a chin. But he had just as good a chin as anybody else, and he wouldn't let you hit it.

1:07:08And then if you did catch him and get in the slugfest, you wouldn't knock him out because this motherfucker could take a hit. One guy almost knocked him out and they totally cheated to keep it from happening. This guy. Frazier? No, no, no, no. This guy in England. God, what was his name?

1:07:27I can't believe I can't remember his name right now because I was going to talk to you about Bob Foster. Henry Cooper. That's right. Thank you. Henry Cooper had a killer left hook. Killer left hook. And he caught Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, right on the button. And his legs went, his head rolled back, and he slumped down like he was done. So it was like at the bell. They get him in the corner. They cut his gloves to change gloves. Like, watch this left hook. This guy, Henry Cooper, was tough as nails, man. And look at that left hook, man. It's nasty. Look at this right here. Boom! Damn.

1:08:06Bro. Ali was fucked. He was fucked. So this is at the bell, right? So they get him in the corner. They gave him smelling salts. They cut his gloves off and changed his gloves. To give him some breathing room. Did they cut the part out where they cut his gloves? I'm pretty sure that happened. I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick. Angelo Dundee, man. What a guy. What a corner man. He might be the greatest corner man of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think about the one with Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. You're blowing it, kid. You ever see him say that to him? Nah, nah. He says it and Sugar Ray runs out and stops him in the next round.

1:08:48Yeah. And that was a Hearns fight. That was Sugar Ray versus who? Hearns. Hearns. Yeah. I remember all those fights. I remember the Hearns-Hagler fight. That second round was like the greatest. The first round was the greatest round. Was it the first round? Was it the war? Yep, the first round right out of the bat. Yeah, okay. No evidence Muhammad Ali had his gloves changed mid-fight to get extra time to recover Rather, it's an urban legend from his fight with Henry Cooper in 1963 Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention But the controversy only extended the round break by a few seconds and Ali went on to win the fight Okay, so there was a torn glove, but they didn't let him change the gloves He showed a torn glove and it just happened to be torn right after the knockdown.

1:09:39And this is an urban legend. Respectfully. The myth is that he had intentionally cut the glove respectfully. He probably did. Right. Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning? Yeah. Zero times. How do you tear the glove when you're getting hit? If he was in Henry Cooper's corner and he found that cut, do you think he would tell the referee? No. He wouldn't say a fucking thing. Like, it's bullshit. But I get it. He bought some time. Smart move. And one second in boxing is a huge difference.

1:10:16Look at that face. Wow. That face when he busted him up. I think he stopped him by cuts, if I remember correctly. i used to watch all these old fights but it's so long i can't remember the full details like i knew who you were talking about before you could remember his name yeah i forgot his name yeah because i was thinking of bob foster because i watched this whole piece on bob foster last night people forgot about him and bob foster again he was the light heavyweight champion when ali was the heavyweight champion and he i believe he tried i know he fought ali at least once he tried to go to heavyweight.

1:10:52It just didn't carry over because he was a weirdly shaped guy. He was tall, but he was not muscular at all. Let's see what he looked like. Give me a Bob Foster KO highlights. I got on a whole rabbit hole the other night because I watched this one video where they were talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching power was. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. I bet you've probably been to the doctor's office in the past few months. I bet you had to hand over your personal info like your insurance, your ID, maybe even your social security number. And I bet you weren't thinking about how your doctor is just one of many places that has your personal information.

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1:13:13You know, he's a he's 175 pounder, but it's that whip to the punches that Foster had Like really the turn like the amount of torque that he gets when he throws these punches and Bob Foster He fucking flatlined a lot of dudes man. He took a lot of dudes out of this dimension. Oh See the arms flail. Yeah Like you know the arms let me know your legs are going yeah Foster fucked a lot of guys up. Oh, yes a movement too He did. He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali, you know. Ali was a solid 35, 40 pounds heavier than him. That's just too much. Yeah, he's tall enough, but not. Oh, that's him versus Quarry at heavyweight?

1:13:55God, I just showed you how many guys Quarry fought. Fuck. Yeah, these guys didn't stop until they died. No, no. Well, Quarry died because of it much earlier. Like, that doesn't look like Quarry. That's what it says? He's catching him with the left. Okay. Oh, shit.

1:14:17He just went to sleep. Foster versus Dick Tiger. This is a good one. Because he said about Dick Tiger, like Dick Tiger was a champion at the time, I believe. And he said about Dick Tiger, it's taking me one or two rounds to hit him, and then I'm going to knock him out. Boom. He had this power that was just undeniable, man. There's some dudes who just, look at that. The way he throws it. Everybody who is a young boxer learning, learn from this guy. Like the whip. This is unfair, too. The reach. Oh, oh. The reach is ridiculous. Yeah, say that to all Mike Tyson's opponents who got flatlined. I know.

1:14:52But that's why I like Mike Tyson. Like. Wasn't even six feet tall? It wasn't even six feet tall, and he can get inside. Oh, my God. Like a tornado. Bang! And sometimes he'd stay real down low. Yeah. And you'd be throwing above his head. And then he'd come up with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he would have fun. He was playing with his food back in those days, you know? He was. He was having fun with guys. He was having fun. It was a different thing. We had never seen a heavyweight move like that before, right? So there was Ali. You've never seen a heavyweight so agile, so fluid on his feet. He looked like a better version of Sugar Ray Robinson at heavyweight, if you can believe it, which is crazy.

1:15:35But also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters. Well, I guess he was when he became a champ. The second time around, he definitely did. When he got into Joe Frazier and Foreman. But I always wondered, man, if he didn't miss those three years, I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him. If he kept that up, like what he was versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams, and you add three more years, because I think Frazier became the champ after he retired. I just don't think they beat that version of Ali. And we don't get the Jerry Corey version if this Ali's not sitting on the couch for three years.

1:16:10But it also saved the brain damage for way later than it would have happened. Maybe it didn't because maybe he wasn't agile anymore. So he took more brain damage. So he took more blows when he came back. He had to rely on his chin. And he had a tremendous chin. But it's just like I always as a person who sees guys in their prime. Because I think, what year was Ali when they took his license away? How old was he? I want to say he was 27. Comes back at 30? He comes back at 30. Which is near quitting age. For a lot of fighters. For a lot of fighters. It gets near there. It gets near quitting time.

1:16:49Three years is, the thing is, he wasn't a guy that was like a Bernard Hopkins who just stayed in the gym, kept running every day. He wasn't that guy. And he was always involved in a lot of political things because he was an activist. He was a very outspoken anti-war activist. And they took away his livelihood because of it. Bernard Hawkins had the most. What, Jamie? He was 25 when he retired, when they took his license away? Yeah, he was born in 42. That happened in 67. And he came back at 28? Yeah, I guess. 67. Refuses to be inducted into the Army. Immediately stripped of his title. I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they strip him of his title because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just crazy.

1:17:3574? No. So fight of the century is – so he comes out in 70 against Corey. So it's almost four years, right? April 28th, 67th to October, three in a few months. Okay. Three years and a few months. so 67 and from the time he fights Cleveland Big Cat Williams that was 66

1:18:00so those those are prime years you know and but the the big thing is not training during those years the layoff is that's the big thing I know how I feel after not doing stand-up for one week yeah but you don't know what it's like to have your muscles deteriorate like your muscles will go away right and your reflexes and everything all the twitching of everything it might take years to build it back right and in his case he never really did he never built it back to the cleveland to the level levels like he didn't come out and just move around like that at 30 he just didn't right it was different that was different and it was a heavier ship to move around too because he was heavier yep you get heavier when you're after 30 also you're going through training camps and you're not in shape in the beginning like that's a different thing like i don't know how much time he had to prepare for jerry quarry but i mean i would imagine it's not more than a few months so you could imagine you're you're saying hey muhammad we got to get ready like you're and he's like i'll be ready i was born ready why are you telling he's joking around and come on muhammad take the series yeah ready i'm ready i'm ready right now suck up put on those gloves because he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything right so if you imagine him or if you were training him, like, good luck getting the word in.

1:19:14He's the greatest of all time. I am the greatest. He'll have you training. I remember he was talking to Howard Cosell, and Howard Cosell said, you sound very truculent, champ. He goes, whatever truculent means, if it's good, I'm that. I'm it. Yeah, I'm that. And he said it with zero hesitation. I remember one time he said, I'm so fast, I'll turn off the light and get in the bed before it gets dark. nobody had been like that nobody nobody talked like that nobody moved like that he was a totally different thing he was stand-up comedy funny yep he was that that like when i watch his old videos like like normally you just watch a fighter fight yeah i could watch a muhammad ali talking compilation yes that's how fucking entertaining this motherfucker was yeah he was so entertaining yeah he was so entertaining and he because of his refusal to fight in the vietnam war he represented a generation yeah yeah he represented the young people that were like yeah this is fucked like what are we doing yeah you know and people a lot of people were mad at him called him a traitor but in the end they all kind of realized like oh he was right he was right history they realized they were on the wrong side of history because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that i mean there was korea but really people remember world war ii right world war ii we had to fight the bad guys we did our thing we stood up for our country and that's why we got the greatest country in the world right now.

1:20:40And if you're not going to do your part, man, fuck you. Yeah, yeah. And then during the Vietnam War, it was like, oh, wait a minute. Something's a little off here. This might be a drug running operation. We might be like fighting in the jungle because someone wants to control drugs. Is that what Vietnam War was? I believe so. A drug thing? I believe there's a lot of factors, but I believe one of the major factors was control of the opium trade. That is wild. Well, I mean I want to say that about Afghanistan as well. Yeah, because the production of heroin out of Afghanistan ramped up after we were there and We were guarding the poppy fields and it was for the opiate crisis that they put in the Oxycontin here exactly for the same I mean, it's the same.

1:21:23It's the same thing. It's like it's all just heroin It was at one point in time. I think it was 90 something percent of the world's heroin supply was coming out of afghanistan and that's why we were over there we were over there guarding those fields i say we not me not you we weren't there yeah but americans were and heraldo rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talk to a guy this military guy who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields and what did the guy say it's like basically saying you know we have to protect these people from al-qaeda Like, okay, listen. Al-Qaeda we started?

1:22:00Do you know how gaslighty that is? Just think of how gaslighty that is. We have to protect these kind and humble heroin growers. We have to protect them from these other people who are just terrorists. Who live here and we're here. We invaded this place to keep these people from stopping these people from selling heroin. And we're the good guys. Like, what? And especially the word Al-Qaeda. When I watched, was it Rambo 3, which was Rambo in Afghanistan, and then you watched the credits. And thank you for the brave fighters of Al-Qaeda. Is that really in there? It's in the credits, bro. Wow. It's in the credits because he, when Rambo 3 was him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians.

1:22:49That's right. So then we were funding Al-Qaeda. You ever seen the movie Charlie Wilson's War? No. You ever seen Charlie Wilson's War? Tom Hanks and he was a congressman or a senator that figured out a way to funnel money he knew congress wasn't going to give like we vote to have a package to go to Israel so they weren't going to vote to give a package to help us fight or give money and weapons to al-Qaeda to fight the Russians during their war. So then he figured out a way how to get funding and circumvented to al-Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians. Because it's all a part of the Cold War, right?

1:23:38Right, right, right. And in Vietnam, Russia fought us, but through the Viet Cong. And in Afghanistan, we fought them back through al-Qaeda. And that's what's going on in Ukraine right now, too. So what's the deal with the Ukraine? Because I kind of know what's going on, but I'm kind of confused. Well, we fund it. We, along with other European countries, fund it. And it's kind of the same thing. It's in similar ways. But this is what they really want control over is the resources. There's an extraordinary amount. It's soil, but the real thing is the amount of minerals, rare earth minerals. for the computer stuff and the phone stuff yeah there's they're they're sitting on an enormous enormous bounty of rare earth minerals they also have natural gas so this was part of the um the the real controversy with why hunter biden was running barisma which is a ukrainian energy company like why why is he doing that what what is the deal there well it's like what they were trying to do is control energy and control the market for that.

1:24:56And he had access through his dad to some, you know, got a nice cushy job. But there's enormous resources in that country. And the war is partly over that, right? Partly over we crossed NATO, NATO crossed the line that they weren't supposed to cross. We're not supposed to arm them and have them nuclear weapons right next to Russia. Exactly. It's not we, obviously, but we are a part of NATO. And NATO promised at the end of the Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia, and they just kept doing it. And, you know, the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin would probably take over everything.

1:25:39He'd go through Poland. Like, you need NATO. So I see both arguments. Yeah, yeah. I do. and obviously the person who invaded a country is the the the bad guy yeah it's the bad guy that's the bad guy he went into a country and hundreds of thousands of people are dead now because of it right but you don't know what the real motivations are of war are until like the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over and then 10 years later somebody writes a book and you go oh god yeah it was that right like you guys just wanted money you guys just wanted to control oil you guys just wanted to make sure they stayed on the u.s dollar you guys just wanted to do that like you were pretending that there was this noble cause the vietnam war is the perfect example the gulf of tonkin incident with that boat yeah they made up an attack right and then everybody's like oh my god they attacked us they fucked around and now they're gonna find out we're gonna send our boys and how many hundreds of thousands of people died and how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever how many guys came back just with the horrific memories that they could never shake out of their head they wake up in the middle of the night screaming yeah they see people die they see their friends die they maybe have to kill people yeah yeah trauma trauma and then muhammad ali said fuck you yeah and everybody was like oh my god he is he's a traitor right you you are not supporting america and like half the country just like Like, you know, anybody today, like half the country's mad at you and half the country loves you.

1:27:15Right. And after a while became the whole country loved him. They all realized he was right. Is there ever going to be a point where there'll be one person that the whole country loves? Jesus. Like, it felt like it was like that back in the day. Yeah, there were people like that. There were some people like that. That was before social media. Yeah. Because even people like that back in the day where the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers, in real life, there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy. There was always someone at the gym talking shit about that guy.

1:27:49People always talk shit. They just didn't have a public forum. But if somebody talked shit about that guy, the people he's talking that shit to, they'd be like, the fuck is wrong with you? Right. This is a great guy. Right. That's Larry Bird, you son of a bitch. Yeah. How dare you? How dare you? Yeah. Yeah. Just because he beat you in high school, let it go. They're like encouraging it. Right. You know, they want it. They want more of it. Yeah. Fucking weird, man. It's social media. You know, it's given the voices to people that maybe really didn't earn a voice. Not that it's bad. I don't think it's bad.

1:28:22I don't think it's bad either. I think it's good. I think it's both. And I think even, yeah, even the chaos of that, these people that shouldn't get all that attention, getting attention, it's like bad for them. It's bad for everybody. But it's better net. like if you look at like the overall amount of good it does it's way better than it is bad but it's just a new thing that everybody has to deal with and one of the things is the impulse to be a cunt right but also like I just as a black person growing up and watching the news right it it always felt slanted and against us anyway and then somebody either Neil Brennan said this or Chris rock said this daniel brennan like a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people already knew you know about like not trusting the cops all the time or the fbi all the time or pharmaceutical drug pharmaceutical drug companies all the time or yeah they will drop a shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood yeah and fuck it up and ruin it on On purpose.

1:29:27On purpose. Yeah. Because, shit, they're guarding poppy fields on another continent where you think that shit is going to go. You know, I've had that dude Freeway Ricky Ross on a bunch of times. A bunch of times, right? And he didn't even know who he was selling coke for. He was selling coke for the United States government and had no idea. And he was— They were letting him. And he was doing it for the Iran-Contra. Uh-huh. Yeah. It was the—it was, yeah, Iran-Contra, but it was—they were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas. in Nicaragua. He didn't even know. I don't know which side we were funding, but we were funding one of them.

1:30:02Yeah, the anti-communist side we were funding. Hilarious. The guerrillas who were fighting against the communist government, maybe? There is a bunch of those dudes that are just playing war games. They're playing war games, and they get to do it back in the 80s. Back then, they got to do it without any oversight. Right. They just played war games, and they lied. And then, you know, you get... They're like, just tell them this. Yeah. I remember Jimmy Tingle, a very funny Boston comedian. He had a joke about Ronald Reagan because they brought Ronald Reagan into trial. And they said, did you ever sell arms to Iran?

1:30:36He's like, I don't recall. And he goes, Mr. President, he goes, next time you sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down. He goes, make a note, put it on the refrigerator. It's hilarious. but that's where you know reagan literally was falling apart at that time though people didn't believe it they're like come on he can't remember but and then you don't think that was just his defense because i do think it was his defense then you're not you're not perjuring yourself cia it was a contrast okay the cia recruited funded and trained the conscious which included remnants of samosa's national guard i i think he was playing it off but then i don't know because he did get dementia he did get dementia he got alzheimer's real bad at the end of his life he couldn't remember shit but it was i feel like he got the alzheimer's like 20 years later i could be wrong i don't remember years no more but i don't remember either honestly i feel it was i feel like towards the end though his cognitive function was declining definitely but like that's how it goes with guys in their 70s right especially if they don't take vitamins right and if you're reagan do you want to remember everything that you did definitely not so yeah definitely not alzheimer's is almost like a blessing yeah all those guys like george w like you don't want to remember nothing yeah you don't want to remember the iraq war we tricked people into going to iraq because we got attacked on 9 11 by someone who was funded by the saudis like what what why are we in iraq shut up yeah i feel just went over there i feel angry every time i think about that one because i was duped like i wanted war i was like we gotta go they got weapons of mass destruction we gotta go stop them like like their thing that they ran on the news worked on me and like i never questioned it yeah i didn't question it either initially yeah um but i did i did have a bit about it yeah where i was like there was like the only way for people to find out how dumb people are.

1:32:41Like the people that run the world, they don't know you. They don't get to hang out with you. They don't know exactly how dumb you are. They all went to Ivy League schools. The only way to find out how dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as president and see if everybody freaks out. And then, you know, the bit was like after he tricked people into going into Iraq and starting the war and then he got reelected. That was crazy. I go, he won again. He won again. Like the people that run the world are like, wow, And then someone in the back of the room goes, I think we can go dumber.

1:33:17And he was right. He was right. They went dumber. And we all felt duped by that one. We all felt duped by a bunch of different ones. One was the financial collapse when the housing market collapsed. And then the guys started getting bonuses. They have to get their bonuses. The CEOs have to get their bonuses. You're like, what? Wait a minute. You guys, your bank collapsed and you get a bonus? What are we doing? It's our money? So you're taking our money and you're helping save these banks. And then the CEOs get bonuses because if we don't give them a bonus, they'll leave and go somewhere else. What is this logic?

1:33:56Right. The thing I don't understand about 2008 is where did the money go? So listen, so these bunch of people had the money. Right. Then they lost it. But when they lost it, it didn't get burned. Somebody else got the money. So then why was everybody broke? Because somebody else got rich. Somebody else got rich, but what were they doing with the money? Don't they do—why did nobody have money? See, this is where you and I are regular people, and we're not financially minded at all. Not at all. Right? So we're not the kind of devious market people that would see an opportunity and take advantage of it.

1:34:37Right? So what was the biggest transfer of wealth in modern history? Don't they say that's kind of happening now? COVID. COVID. Oh, okay. COVID. Biggest transfer of wealth ever. Elaborate on that for me. So what happened was all these mom and pop places got shuttered, right? You can't go there. You don't have a, it's, we're in a pandemic. Okay. You can only go to Target during the pandemic. You can only go to McDonald's during a pandemic. You can only go to Wendy's during a pandemic. You can't go there. It's a pandemic. You can't have your comedy club open. It's a pandemic. You can't have this.

1:35:15These restaurants. Are you kidding me? That's dangerous. Outdoor dining. What about the optics? Shut it down. And so where's all that money go? Well, that money goes to all the other businesses that can stay open. The major chains. Walmart, Target, all these things flourish. The stocks change. 70 % plus of all L.A. restaurants went under. People lost millions of dollars. Where did that money go? It got legally siphoned into other people's businesses that were allowed to stay open. Right. And also with the stimulus, like a lot of big companies got huge stimulus checks. Like we got some dollars here and there.

1:35:55But they got a lot of dollars. They got. There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you only look, if you have to look at it like a psychopath, like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works. And if they'll explain it to you, you go, oh, so that's what they did? Yeah, that's what they did. They told you you had to stay home. They told you how to do this. And why did they extend it for so long to crush the economy? Because it didn't crush the economy for them. Right. It boosted their – the more they could keep you from spending money at those places, the more you had to spend money at Amazon, at this, at that, at anything that's open.

1:36:31They closed the market down. So let me ask you a question. How much – and I had this question in my head 20 years ago because I noticed a lot of greed. Right. And I was like – 20 years ago, I was like, how much people, money, do the people that got money want? and then now I still have that same question because I feel like those people should have had enough 20 years ago when I asked to be like all right let me just chill it's probably a different set of people who are like they were 20 years ago but like how much money do people want and if you get all the money and nobody has anything do you really have money because how are you going to get more money from people that don't have no money because you took it all Well, no one's going to get that rich.

1:37:16That's a funny way of looking at it. But there's different kinds of people that make money, right? There's kinds of people that make money because they make a lot of things. That's like Elon Musk. That's his money. And then there's kinds of people that make money that are only trying to make money. That's all they're trying to do. They're trying to do deals. They're trying to do this. They're trying to do that. But the whole idea is just to make money. Elon's thing is to make things. Right. Like he's there to make Starlink. He's there to give internet access to people all over the world. He's there to make electric cars.

1:37:49He's there to make electric roofs. He's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring them back down and land. He's making things. And because of making things, he's the richest guy on earth. By the way, publicly, that's different than the real world. Like the real world, it might be Putin. It might be some some king in the Middle East federal reserves who runs that yeah Well, that's different too because it's not like individuals, but yeah, it's a good point But they could just print but the actual one richest person in the world in America At least the way we Forbes 500 guy is the guy who makes the most stuff.

1:38:27It's Elon you know, and Then you have the guys that are just trying to make money. That's a different kind of cat So those guys who are just trying to make money those are the weird ones because they're just a number people They're number people as if they're thinking about numbers all the time then they don't give a fuck about you They're just trying to make more numbers and that you get more and most social Sociopathic as you go down that road, right? But so my question is is there an equation right to prove? that that like our brains can't do it, but could somebody into money is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace than war yes for sure um and why are we pushing this equation because um it's the easiest way to do it the easiest way to do it is war because you trick people into doing it and you can control an entire country and you know it's like you're not going to make the same it's like there's groups of people that will make the most amount of money from war for sure military defense contractors they make the most amount from a war that is their business like and you can't fault them that's what they do you need them because you need it you need them and they have a stronghold already they're not going to give up they're like a pit bull that wants to convince you to let it off the leash let me off the leash dad come on that the fuck you see See this fucking German Shepherd talking shit?

1:39:58Talking shit? Bro, this is over in five seconds. Every time we walk by here, they barking and yapping. Let's shut this down. Their business is to make shit and not only just make shit, make better shit all the time. And I was thinking that the other day. I was like, if they're always making new jets, what do they do with the old jets? They kind of have to blow them up. They kind of have to go launch some missiles. They have these extra missiles that they never kill anybody with. They're just sitting around. They're going to go bad. Stockpile. We've got to use them. Yeah, with expiration dates on it.

1:40:27That's their businessman. It's like that Nicolas Cage movie. What was the Nicolas Cage movie about a guy who sold arms? Lord of War. That's right. Oh, yeah, Lord of War. If you're selling weapons, you want a war. And those are the guys that are getting the giganto contracts. And then some guy comes in and he's like, I pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been. And those guys are running the stock market. buy buy buy raytheon buy buy boeing but we as people why are we buying this because we know the deal we do know the deal but we're only learning the deal now right right like as a culture i think it's only been like 10 years where people like wait what the fuck is going on i think 10 years ago most people think lee harvey oswald killed jfk even i had my doubts and i'm like the most gullible motherfucker in the world you had your doubts good yeah yeah i i knew there There was something up with the story a long time ago because I read a book.

1:41:24But if you're the average person 20 years ago, you're not going to buy any of these wacky conspiracy theories. You were the crazy person. People stopped talking to you. You got exiled from society. Exactly. Now someone that you're close with sends you a video and you just watch this. And you're like, what? Yeah. Oh, my God. They killed Kennedy. Oh, my God. And you watch and you're like, what? And some guy comes on a podcast like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. What? Oh, my God. Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said? No. Bill Murray came in here, and the same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon, he wrote a book on John Belushi, and John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends.

1:42:08And so Bill said he read the first five pages, and he was like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. Oh, what? So the book was so full of shit. It was so made up. Like it was this made up character of John Belushi who he was with all the time. Right. Like he didn't know John Belushi. John Belushi died of a drug overdose. So he fabricated this crazy wild thing and called it Wired. And he said he read five pages of it. He's like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. Damn. Isn't that crazy? One of the most disgraced presidents of all time framed. So was he a good guy? Because he got rid of the gold standard.

1:42:43He was not a good guy. Listen, this is not a binary thing. Nixon was not a good guy. Nixon also passed that sweeping psychedelics act that made everything illegal. And he did that specifically to target the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement. Specifically. They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement and they wanted to put them in jail. And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass. They were all eating mushrooms. They were all doing LSD. Just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them. And that's what they did.

1:43:13And they changed the entire direction of the culture. Like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization. Because who knows where we would be as a culture if psychedelics were legal this entire time from 1974. So should we thank Bob Woodward or? No. Because we don't know the bad shit that he did. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agency guy. He was a naval intelligence officer. And his first project as a reporter was Watergate. That's crazy. Why would they give that to a guy where it's his first project? His first major story is the biggest story in the history of the world. And he just happens to be a naval intelligence agent.

1:44:02What? There's like senior reporters. There's these people that are like beating the street. They're out there every day. And the guys who broke into Watergate, they're all FBI. So here's the thing. Nixon didn't have knowledge of it, but then they brought it to Nixon and he covered it up. And then they're like, gotcha. And that's how they got rid of him. And they also got rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his vice president. They got him on corruption charges. They kicked him out, put in Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford was in the Warren Commission. Oh. And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy.

1:44:39and trying to get to the bottom of it. Why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of who killed him? Because he was worried they were going to kill him. Because he knew Bobby Kennedy. Because he lost to Kennedy. He lost to Kennedy, so I figured he didn't like him. John Kennedy, excuse me. He lost to JFK in a previous election. Right. And, you know, he knew that guy. And he knew who killed him. And he started talking about it. And the problem with talking about it is they were like, get rid of him. I never thought. Do you know he was like, he won at the time, he was the most popular president of all time.

1:45:13Like he won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever. And we look at him like a crook. And by the way, probably was. At the very least, he did cover up that crime. He didn't say, what? They did what? No, we're going to make a press conference and we're going to fucking find who did it and we're going to come clean. Instead, he tried to cover it up. But to me, like when I think about Watergate from what I remember of it, was it really that big of a deal? Like it's so sensationalized. What was the real crime? Like what was the – somebody broke in somewhere. And they installed recording equipment so they could listen in on people.

1:45:49And who were they listening in on? The Democratic Party. So the Republicans were listening to the Democrats as they're getting ready to campaign against them. It's kind of illegal. It's definitely illegal. But it's not that big of a deal because they're doing that to you right now. Right. Like if you have your phone and you're you know, and you're you know me, if you know me, your phone is bugged. Right. Good luck. All those dick pics you sent out. Those are all on the ether. And, you know, that that is something that we had to find out from Edward Snowden. OK. You know, when when when that was exposed, we learned like, oh, God, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret.

1:46:32that's been around forever and the NSA has been running it. Like, all that, what Nixon was doing was just a version of that. Or not even Nixon doing, but what the crime was was a version of that, listening in on your opponents. They probably all listen to each other now. They probably all hack into each other's email. They probably hire hackers to hack into each other's phones and hack into each other's emails and shit. You know, they do that, man. It's just, it's a dirty game. I mean they've turned that dirty political game into like life like you said if I know you yeah my phone is hacked or just the is it the NSA or is who knows there's probably organizations that are new that we don't even know of right you know they're like too many people know about the CIA let's branch out yeah let's come up with something new yeah and you need intelligence agencies because the world is a dirty dark place filled with monsters and a lot of them we put there But they're still monsters and like look.

1:47:29I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We got monsters But we have to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets Trump executive order quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency What how not that not yeah, this happened a couple weeks ago. What they spy from space? I don't know. What does it mean? The executive order came out and there's just a Redesignation I think of what NASA is officially what does that mean? I don't know It could be nonsense or it could mean something important. Is this a legit news source? Did they change the name of it? No, it's still called NASA as far as I know. The order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative, or national security work.

1:48:13What? Why would they do that? The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its 67-year lifespan. Not to mention that science and exploration stuff, NASA Watch founder Keith Cowling, former scientist at the agency, now closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a blog post, there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spycraft. The order also added that NASA to the Federal Service Labor Management Relations statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation.

1:48:53Ooh. The news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change. I wonder if this is because of private space companies, because they're so far ahead. like blue origin is far ahead of what nasa does tesla spacex is very far ahead of anything that they do it's almost like you leave it in the hands of private companies they could do a better job of space anyway and then turn nasa into this no i don't like why are you doing that the last thing we need is more spying more spies but i feel like when you turn something into a spy agency it already was right and you're just like let's just make it official right they put satellites in overhead right and when we watch movies and they they like looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie like they're using they're giving away kind of what's really happening oh for sure so it is basically a spy you know organization well if they're launching spy satellites they're a spy organization right right if nasa's launching satellites that's mostly what they're launching they're not putting anybody on other planets anymore allegedly and they're not doing anything with the space shuttle anymore so what are they doing why not be a spy agency you gotta stay open yeah and they're gonna gotta move around boys can't be blockbuster forever yeah exactly i think they took them into a room they said listen aliens are real these spaceships we have are all bullshit we have a couple years left well so uh use it for something else we're not we're not going to travel to the moon anymore settle down i mean i'm just even the alien shit like i believe in aliens i don't really got a lot of proof but the denial of it is my proof right you know what i'm saying right the the harsh denial just like how we're talking about back in the day if you didn't like the guy that everybody liked They ostracize you.

1:51:06If you believed in aliens, they ostracize you. Oh, yeah. And everything from the past. It's like when they used to teach us, you got to drink milk. It strengthens your bones. Then you realize milk passed a certain amount of time. If you keep drinking it, it's bad for you. Like everything that was bad for you is good for you. And everything that was good for you, we find out is bad for you. Also, it comes around again because the real milk that you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk. Right. The reason why milk is not so good for you, especially low-fat milk, is because your body's like, what is this?

1:51:39You've boiled out all the enzymes and killed all the living organisms in it. It's just like this weird protein liquid that I'm drinking. It makes you fart and you feel weird. You drink real milk, like raw milk. I had raw milk the other day and I drank it. I was like, oh, this is what milk's supposed to taste like. This is so much better. It's way better and it's illegal. Meanwhile, Oxycontin's legal. Why is it illegal? Glyphosate's legal. There's all sorts of shit that's legal. Like Roundup. What the fuck is glyphosate? Oh, Roundup. That's stuff they spray on plants. Oh, yeah, that gives people cancer.

1:52:13Not just people cancer. Like anybody close to a golf course. There was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease. Like that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course. And glyphosate was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German company, Bayer. exactly so then maybe monsanto bought bear or they saw that bear bought it of course and and don't you need a headache for your fucking glyphosate poisoning yeah not that i can't even remember to order the shit because of glyphosate poisoning that's nuts isn't that nuts it's wow and they spray that shit on everything not only they spray that shit on everything they make certain plants they're genetically designed to be resistant to roundup so you can spray more of it on the corn and then the thing is they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out apparently that's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in your system is totally unnecessary they just do it to speed up the process that's my thing it's like why like this is so gross it's gross right like sometimes right the money they spend to lie right it's like you could have put that money into making this shit healthy and good yeah they can't though they're they're object the problem is corporations as as a entity the way it's been established the way it's set up corporations as an entity always want to make more money right and when you always want to make more money you figure out a way to make more money and if you can bullshit your way into making more money at other people's expense that's what you do and then you justify it and you have lawyers and you You fucking keep people in court and you drag it out and then you accept a small percentage of the profits that you pay off people with because they got damaged by your product.

1:54:03And you keep moving because you're a piece of shit and you don't care. But say you win. Say you make some money. Yeah. But you spent some money. You spent so much money like with the lawsuits, keeping people in court. You made more money than you spent though. Don't worry. But I feel like you made more money than you spent, but the money you spent could have been spent to make a good, healthy product. So you wouldn't even have— Depends on what you're talking about. Because if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no. The way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you've got to do some shenanigans.

1:54:40Some shenanigans. You've got to do some shenanigans. You've got to mandate medications. And you've got to brainwash people into thinking that they should be on your side. And then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization. Like whatever it is. Come up with whatever fucking people are going to die. Your kids are going to die. Everyone's going to be born retarded. You just find a way to get people to believe and they'll just all climb on board. They'll all climb on board because a lot of people are cowards. And that's what happens in this world.

1:55:13And that's where it gets really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money and an enormous amount of influence. And then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows brought to you by Pfizer. And that makes it look legit. Exactly. That makes them look legit. It makes the TV show look legit. And you're watching publicly an evil union. It's an evil union between the truth and money where money always wins. and money will distort the truth. And they're allowed to do that. It's crazy because when I was growing up in New York, I got bamboozled once for$100. Free card money? What was it?

1:55:54Nah. I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall, and I was leaving, and there was this dude, and he was holding a brand-new box with a VCR in it. And he's, like, trying to sell it. I was like, how much? And he's like,$100. And I was like, hey, man, could I see it first before I give you the$100? He's like, no. If I open, rip away the plastic and open this box, and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because it won't be new. And I was like, this is a deal. Was it a brick? Brick. I gave him the$100, got on the bus. Didn't even have a car. I got on the bus, drove home. Open the brick.

1:56:40Open. Paper, then brick. But that$100 saved me so much. Yes. Because I always, like, I was just always on a swivel looking out for, like, where is the trick? And then sometimes I just wouldn't do something if I didn't even see the trick. Because I was like, there's something here. But then the Iraq War was like my version of the VCR like recently. Like that shit. They got you. They got me. They sold me the VCR. Well, you were in New York though. You were in New York when September 11th happened, right? Yeah, I was in New York. Yeah, that's the thing. I saw it on TV from the West Coast. But the people that were there, I think it hit you a lot even harder.

1:57:27Yeah. I mean, it has to have hit you way harder. if i felt it when i went back there which was like a few months later i felt it yeah it felt different yeah that shit like i was i was living in la but i was visiting oh and i was so homesick for new york when i'd go back to new york back then i'd stay a while you know and then the night before the trade center went down you know will silvins he was living in jersey city And I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City. So then he's like, I'm going to have some people over. So I took the train and took the World Trade Center, the train, the PATH train.

1:58:10And it's funny because back then when I was living here and going to New York, I was like, let me look around. Like, I miss this place. Let me, there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before. And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down. Like, damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit. and I got on the train, went to Will's crib and then I got a ride home that night. So next morning my sister woke me up and I'm like watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it. Wow. And then I was like, I was yesterday.

1:58:47And then I'm watching. I was like, that ain't another plane. I was like, did it? And then I almost hit under the bed. how far where were you miles wise i was in long island so 50 50 like an hour drive yeah but i just like i was like we're under attack and you're like i don't know where these attacks are coming from and i don't normally feel like a coward but i was like something where they gonna attack next yeah you know so it was just that type of vibe but I'm worried that another one of those is coming and the danger of that is obviously people are going to die and obviously it could be horrific if something does happen if a terrorist attack does happen But the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences of what we do overseas it means something here.

1:59:48It's not just a video on your phone. People are dying and we are funding it. And there's real evil in the world. Evil is a real thing. You could not believe in the devil and you could not believe in God. But evil actions are documented throughout history. And there's only one way to combat evil. You have to have a strong force of good. but that that good has to be really good it has to actually be good and if it's pretending to be good and it's actually participating in evil and then you you find out about it you're like well what the this is like in 1933 this guy Smedley Butler major general Smedley Butler he wrote a book called war is a racket in 1933 yeah that's early 1933 that's pretty early and he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people, but he was really there to make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do, control oil and control whatever minerals or gold or whatever the hell they were doing.

2:00:58But he realized at the end of his career, war is a racket. Yeah. And this is 33 men. They tried to get him to overthrow the government. The American government? They tried to get him to participate in a military coup against the government. Who was in charge back then? That's like before our time. We just went over this the other day, right? Jamie will pull it up. It was before our time. So this is, I think this happened prior to that. So 32 maybe, something like that. Some Woodrow Wilson shit. Some old-timey shit. Bro, they just got away with things back then. And now they have to hide it on layers and layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and money being flowed around.

2:01:45And it's just, it's all bullshit. And that bullshit is all over the news. And everyone's confused. And everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys. And the more people get scared, the more people start looking for white hats and black hats. And confusion is the greatest weapon. So here it is, 33, United States. Okay. The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch was the White House push. Is that push? Putsch. You said it right. It's a German word because they had putches in Germany. So it was a conspiracy in 33 in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D.

2:02:22Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. A retired military corps major general testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d 'etat to overthrow Roosevelt. So they almost overthrew Roosevelt. Imagine if he went along with that. In 1934, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities on these revelations. Although no one was prosecuted, the Congressional was prosecuted. That's wild. Typical. Even back then they were full shit.

2:02:57That was 90 years ago. The congressional committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient. Motherfuckers, man. These motherfuckers have been dirty from the jump. From day one. Dirty from day one. Yeah, dirty from day one. Smedley, God bless him with that face. I wouldn't trust him, but he's more trustworthy than his face. He had cash patell eyes.

2:03:28He probably needed glasses. They had shitty glasses back then. They had shitty glasses. He has his cash material. Cash, do something to look more believable. When you're not telling the truth and you're doing that, it's a problem. It's a problem. Bro, imagine that job. You say, I'm going to uncover the truth. You get into office and they're like, this is where your kids sleep. This is where your mom lives. Yeah. It's cool. It's cold. You realize how deep the web runs and how the web's gonna be there after you're gone. You're gonna be here for four years, you know, while this guy's the president.

2:04:08And as soon as he's out, once we take over again, then you're fucked. Yeah, the promise of something better from either party, because both of them ain't shit. Yeah. And you can only switch parties once. Yeah. You can't go back and forth and back and forth. Nobody has. People have switched. They've gone from Democrat to Republican. And I think, have people gone from Republican to Democrat? I believe so. If you're a politician or just if you're like a regular citizen? No, as a citizen, you can go back and forth all you want. You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic and do it every month. Hilarious.

2:04:43I mean, I don't even blame someone who does that because. If you're a public person, though, can you switch sides? You can only switch sides once. If you're a politician. Yeah, but it's weird when people do because they don't just switch sides with who they vote for. They switch their whole ideology. Right. And it's usually, like what I see recently, it's from liberal to they get red-pilled and then they become a conservative. But then they go all in and conservative. They go hard to prove themselves. They go hard. They might even go to the point where, why is gay marriage real? They might get crazy.

2:05:21Right, right. And then it's hard to take them seriously because now you made a 180 degree shift when you were in your 40s. Really? You changed everything you believe in? I think you have to prove so hard to people that's been Republicans that you're Republicans that you go overboard. You got to go hard. You got to go hard. It's like I grew up in Long Island. There were some hard pockets of hardcore motherfuckers there, but they were trying to beat Brooklyn. But they're not in Brooklyn. So you ain't going to get the respect of Brooklyn. You ain't going to get the respect of Bronx. to Long Island.

2:05:52So it's like, we got a while out down here. Right. Like, we got to go hard. And so, they had a place like Wine Dance. Like, you don't want to go to Wine Dance. Wine Dance? Yeah, Wine Dance. It just... I've never even heard of it. Yeah, it was tough down there. Some good rappers came out of Wine Dance, too. Well, Wu-Tang came out of Staten Island, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, Staten Island was wild, too. Yeah, it's just like, you don't think of Staten Island as being the birthplace of the greatest rap group of all time. True. But they had the credit of being a borough. Like Long Island was like Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island.

2:06:31Long Island is like, what are you? Suburbs. You're the suburbs. Suburbs. But they're like, no, no, we get down. We get down. They got good pizza. They're like, shut up. It's not the same. You're non-borough. Yeah, it's true. It's different, right? People think of it as different. Is it considered a borough officially? No, it's not. It's not. Not. Like, you grew up in Boston. Yep. Like, were you in Boston, Boston? And if you were, what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left out of the notoriety? Right. Like, they weren't getting the street cred. They had zero street cred. Right. You know?

2:07:07Woburn. Woburn? Oh, that's hilarious. Woburn. Framingham. Outside of Boston. Yeah. But you want to be. Like, if they go somewhere. Yeah. They say they're from Boston. They say they're from Boston. 100%. Yeah. But the regular Boston people will get mad at you. They'll call you out. Yeah. You're from Woburn. Yeah, exactly. What the fuck are you talking about? New York is like that, too. I'm from New York. What part? What part? Yes. Westchester. Shut up, bitch. Yeah, you're not going to pass the second part of the where you're from quiz. And that's when they're going on. Unless you say right off the bat, you know, I'm from Queens.

2:07:42Right. Like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's real. There's no second question once you say Queens. Yeah. I'm from the Bronx. Oh, okay. Yeah. She's Jenny from the Bronx. Yeah. It's always, you know what? If you're trying to lie, just name, like you said, name the part you're from. Like, where you're from. But if you say New York. Right. That's when shit is suspect. Sarasota. Sarasota, New York. I'm from Albany. Yeah. Yeah. I used to think it was all one place. Hilarious. Living in Boston, I didn't know. I was like, so what is the difference in these boroughs? like oh you want a 212 area code you do like why why do you care i remember that was a big thing about um la like that was one of the things about brody stevens 818 till i die like you when you lived in the valley you had an 818 area code and people looked down at you yeah people would make jokes about it i don't date people that aren't 310 or 213 yeah i mean that's why Brody was funny because he stood on his.

2:08:44He stood on 818. He stood on the Valley. He stood on the Valley. Nobody, nobody ran for the Valley. You do like I do. I said, I'm from New York. I'm from LA. He didn't say I'm from LA. He said, I'm from Reseda. He named the town, named the, the, the, the area code of his phone number and like stood on that shit. Like for sure. You know, dude, I never even tried to live in LA. I was like, the moment I moved there, I was like, uh, uh, i'm not doing this i gotta get outside of this thing i gotta get outside of this thing and then go visit hey i don't want to live in that thing because i had friends that like lived like in west hollywood like my friend eddie lived like in west hollywood like right in the heat of everything and i was like damn dude because i like being like right where everything is i'm like yeah but this is also right where everything is like how do you sleep that's that's but it felt like that's what you you moved to hollywood to be in hollywood to become a part that's that's that That was the thinking.

2:09:40Yeah. So even, like I've known you, even you saying you never lived there, that's a shock to me. Yeah, my thinking was the opposite. My thinking was like, I got to get outside of this thing. Damn. I found out, I lived in Bell Canyon for a while. Where the hell is that? 30 miles outside of L.A. That's where I lived most of the time I was in L.A. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah, I bought a house out there in 97. What? Yeah. Like when I first started making money, I'm like, I got to get away from all these people. I wanted to be in like wilderness First of all I have dogs I needed a backyard so I lived in Encino For a little while I rented a house in Encino But that was too close too Encino was still too close I was like I gotta get outside I gotta get away I wanted to go to Thousand Oaks I wanted to go way out I wanted to go where regular people live Where you could just fucking take a breath I never liked the parties Hollywood parties I was like Every time I go, I feel like it just felt like I wanted to run out of there.

2:10:43Get me out of here. No one's relaxed. This is fake and weird. I was like, I need to live outside of this thing and then go visit it. Go visit. I was in it. I lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut. It was like Ivar. If you go up Ivar, you're at the bottom of the hills. It's quiet. it's pretty and then then you come out right but it was so i was like oh i like this but on the flats like just like in hollywood hollywood like i i get what you're saying but i did feel like i needed to be near it yeah no i get the i get the wanting to be near it and i thought about it for a while, but I just know me.

2:11:32Like I need downtime. I go hard. And when I go hard, I need like off time. I need like completely off, sit down, relax, and think about shit. Because I need to know what I think. And the only way I know what I think is if there's not a lot of noise going on. I can't just operate on momentum. I feel like when you operate on momentum all the time, you make shit decisions. You know, you start like going down roads, you shouldn't be going down. You're like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing with my life? So did you plot your life out a lot? No. In a sense? No, I'm just like, I just like go on instinct.

2:12:06My instinct was like, get away from everybody. Right. Like, go quiet. I want to just wake up in the morning and have coffee on the porch and just hear birds chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by. Like, that's what I like. I like to relax. That's some cool shit. Yeah. You have to, if I'm in Manhattan, bam, bam, fuck you. I'm like, I don't feel relaxed. Right. This is a place for me to visit. But it's just my personality, like whatever it is with me. Like even when I lived in New York, I live, I couldn't afford an apartment that had a rental. I couldn't afford a rental car space, but I needed a car for the road.

2:12:40Right. Because I take the total opposite approach of you. I did not do the clubs in the city very often. No, that's where I met you. Yeah. No, I still did some of them. Right, right. But most of the road is, mostly the road is what I did. Right. So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island, a lot of gigs in New Jersey, because that paid real money and I could do an hour. You know, I was like, I could get better in the city, but I'm getting better in these five and ten minute spots. Like, I need time. I need, like, real time to put together an act. Because when you're in Boston, you always went on the road.

2:13:13Everybody did the road. Right. So it didn't make sense to me to be, like, just doing one ten minute spot and another ten minute spot. Like, I can't. I thought the opposite. So I was doing all those shows that you were doing, like for the hour, for the feature. First I started hosting, but then I was like, I need to get on TV so that I can get on the road. Yeah. And then people booked me and then come see me. So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation. But in these 15-minute spots, build, people see me, put you on this TV show, put you on that TV show. and like as a stand-up, you know, like the improv or whatever like stand-up show that they were having.

2:13:59Because back then it's like a few late-night show appearances and then boom, then you could be on the road. So I went that route. And that was my mentality for probably way after the shit changed. Oh, you hung on to it too long? Yeah, even living in L.A. Yeah. I remember, I was with Kevin Hart, right? He just moved to L.A. And I wrote on his sitcom, The Big House. And then he's booking. He's a good actor. Like, when he walks, like, I've helped him audition before, but I didn't really help him audition. He would just be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he wouldn't say all the words, but he would nail the feeling of the shit.

2:14:45He's like, you don't have to remember everything. and it was like it was an eye-opening experience and then but then he said i want to be on the road like cat williams i'm like why you want to do that get another tv show and then then the the fame of the tv show will get you on the road thank god that nigga didn't listen to me he went on the road he's doing like fifteen hundred dollars you know the you know the the route to build and and collecting emails yep you know the complete opposite and fucking kevin heart's kevin heart yeah well he was always very smart about the social media thing and treated it like a separate business because like i remember there was a story about someone wanted uh access to his social media to promote a project they were doing he was like no sony that's a totally different deal like you got one deal you got kevin heart to act in your movie another deal you get access to kevin hart's instagram like i built this right this is my business and if you want to do that we can talk but it's this is not the same deal yeah and i was like oh okay that because they did that to a lot of people they did that to arsenio i remember arsenio hall was at the ice house and you remember he had the arsenio hall show came back came back yeah right so when it came back they took over his social media that was part of the deal and they didn't give it back to what yes and this is a long time afterwards like months and months and months afterwards we were hanging out the ice house and he's like i can't get my social media back and he built that from being on the apprentice also from being the original hall show yeah which was an iconic show i mean he did everything he did stand up i mean arseneo hall was in movies right and they took as fucking social media.

2:16:32That's crazy. Yeah. It was crazy. But that was, they were trying to make deals like that. Right. When I was doing that show Joe Rogan Questions Everything, they wanted to do that. That was going to be a part of the deal. They take over my social media. And what year was that? 2012 maybe? Yeah, you had a strong. It was okay. It was nothing like, not as big as it is now, but it was big enough that I was like, fuck, it's bigger than you. Yeah, it was bigger than, I mean, you as in them. Yeah, no, no, but it was big it was big for then for then I think it was pretty big but my point is like for me when they were saying to me I'm like my social media presence is bigger than you you have a network your network social media is not nearly as big as my my one person social media why would I do that why would I let you have access to it and they wanted to be able to promote their other shows on my social media and then just dilute it and turn it into something that's crazy not only that they could write on it whatever they wanted to whatever they and they said other Artists aren't having a problem that's doing this.

2:17:32There's like their argument. It was like a hang-up in the deal And I was like abso-fucking-lutely not like if I post something even if it sucks I want people to know that came out of my fat little thumbs like I wrote that That's it whether you like it. He hate it know that it came from me And when they did that I was like, oh, so how many people have been doing this? It was a bunch of my friends had a sign off deals like that Right it was part of the deal if you wanted to do this new show You had to give them access to your social media, not just access control of your social media. That is wild.

2:18:03Wild. That's that into perpetuity type shit that they put in contracts when you do like a standup set on something. And you're like, what do you plan on doing this material? Nothing. And then they say they actually mentioned space and planets. Don't they? In those contracts? There's some contracts like that. And you're like, whoa, what the fuck do you know that I don't know? I read about a contract. I don't know if this is true. Some sort of a Scientology contract that is like into infinity, like to the end of the universe. Wow. Talk about covering your bases. Not even until you die. Like until time runs out.

2:18:46It's a billion year commitment. Sea Org. Here it is. Wow. A symbolic billion-year commitment, which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date, while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying lengths, sometimes short-term as just 2.5 years, but potentially extending to five years or more. And these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor loss. So the Sea Org, if I think, click on Sea Org. How much would they pay you a week? Nothing. To sign off on that contract. You get nothing and you're happy. You just can't believe you're a part of the Sea Org.

2:19:26I'm going to be in the Sea Org. That's wild, bro. Wild. A billion-year contract. Yeah, that's wild. Well, people have been doing that, taking advantage of young artists in particular forever. That's why Prince had to change his name to a symbol. They've been doing that to people forever. Jared Leto's going through that shit. you know he went through that shit with his band it's just there's always going to be a business that takes advantage of you and makes it look like it's not a big deal like uh spotify like uh i know this is spotify but there's a lot of beef about spotify right now what's the big beef uh just artists ain't getting paid yeah the people who get paid are the people that own the records unfortunately yeah yeah that's the that's the if you own your label or you own your catalog then you get paid it's just what contracts did you sign that's the thing it's like if you're an upcoming artist today and you're listening to this do you need a record label like do you really need a why do you no one's buying records right how do you how do you get your shit played outside of like it's easy to avoid a label right right right but how do you get your shit heard Well, it has to go viral.

2:20:50Right. So it has to be undeniable. Is anything really going viral or is it artificial viral? Artificial viral. It's both. Both things are happening. Yeah. There's definitely still real viral, but there's a lot of artificial viral, and that's what a record company can do for you. Right. It can make you go artificial viral. Right. And it will go viral if you're good, but it's like they can juice it up to a point. But what's the cost? They want like 50%. 50%. They want some insane amount of money from your touring. You're touring. You're touring. You doing live performances. They don't even sing a word and they get paid.

2:21:28And that's where, like, artists used to get ripped off in their deals, but they used to make money touring. Right. But then they cut into the touring now. Well, because they weren't making any money selling records anymore. Because who was making the money selling records? Well, the thing is, like, nobody was for a long time, right? It was just streaming. But then there was, like, Apple streaming, and Apple, you'd have to pay a dollar. Spotify ate them up. Yeah, they just, nobody buys music on Apple anymore. I mean, I used to listen to, before I signed my Spotify deal, everything was Apple Music.

2:22:04Yeah. And for the longest time, I wasn't even using Spotify. And then once I started using it, I was like, oh, this is better. Right, right. And that was it. I get it if you're an artist and you're like you're not getting paid like I get it I don't know what to say I don't know why you signed that deal I don't know what the circumstances were I don't know how those deals are even legal yeah I don't know how if like I got like my specialist coming out on YouTube so I got there's a way for comics to do it without signing a big deal yes or signing everything away giving it over to somebody for less than you should or even if it pays a a legit amount there's you know it's not for a billion right you can keep it but i don't know if you're a musician like what way you can get your shit heard you gotta put it out like that you gotta put it out on youtube put it out on social media someone has to retweet it someone has to hear about it talk about it on a podcast you can get it out you know we were talking about it's a little late but we were talking about that johnny thunder song i'm alive we played it yesterday and then jamie brought up that after we first started playing it on the podcast like two years ago it's a song from 1969 that was like a lost song oh and brian simpson brought it to the mothership and he's like this is going to be like one of your favorite songs you got to listen to and we played it in the green room and i was like holy shit and we had to figure out that it was from 1969 i'm like when was this like who was this guy like what what is the deal the dude back then apparently was still alive and he died like a year later so he might have died knowing that his song had started to become big again because then it started appearing in commercials oh it was in a bunch of commercials what were the commercials again uh samsung lincoln in Mountain Dew.

2:23:57Did he own it? I don't think so. He only had this one song that was amazing. That's what I was looking at up yesterday. He actually had a Billboard hit before that. What was that one? Loop-de-loop. Was it good? I was going to play it yesterday. Yeah, let's play it. Let's play it. Let's hear a loop-de-loop. Let's hear a loop-de-loop. But the point is, he should have been a star. He should have been, I say Johnny Thunder, and you're like, oh, I love that dude. His second album's amazing. He should have been at least Chubby Checker. That's number four on the pop chart. Chubby Checker got so much mileage off the twist.

2:24:35I've never seen somebody get that much mileage. I have to edit this out. Yeah, we'll edit it out. All right, kill this. This is terrible. Now play. He looked like the dude that was fighting Muhammad Ali. In his earlier film. I was like, what's that? What's that the dude you told me? Now play I'm Alive. Now, this is the fucking jam, son. This song. I listen to this song all the time. This is on regular playback. Woo! First of all, he looks like a Def Jam comic. That's number one. Or even like an Arsenio Hall, like back in the days. So what year was this, Jamie? This one was 69. Wow. And then I also read that he had been performing with the Drifters and did the backup vocals, I think, like Dionne Warwick or something like that.

2:25:28That song to me is just proof that there's a lot of factors involved in making it because that guy should have been a fucking superstar. That is a superstar song. Yeah, because I'm listening to just the opening. Yeah. I was like, let's stop there. Let's stop there and take that in for a second. And then it switched. I wasn't even ready for the switch but I was like let me go with this and it's so good then I could see it in like the beginning or the end of so many TV shows like I was like oh this is this is the guy that wrote that song Tommy James and performed it and recorded it a year after

2:26:10Tommy James and the Shondell he sang Moni Moni that was another song that like that was a famous song that uh what's his face um the guy with the hair god damn it billy idol billy idol came out with 81 wow which also seems like a million years ago that was when i was in high school how weird man i know first of all weird the when he when loopty loop was a hit and then he made the other song it wasn't a hit i know he was pissed i know Can you imagine? Can you imagine? That's what y 'all like? Loopty loop? Y 'all ain't heard alive? This is, listen to their live shit. Sometimes people just put it all together for one song.

2:26:58I mean, that's the thing about songs, right? Like the one hit wonder thing? Yeah. It's a different time. I mean, it was the early 60s. They're coming out. I don't know how big of them. It was before the drugs. Radio, you know. Early 60s, people were still naive. They were goofy. Yeah. They were still father knows best. Father knows best. Leave it to beaver. They were goofy people are goofy in 63 by 69. They got wild. It was real quick I wonder what people would internet minds back then did Drugs or people would internet my internet mentality. How did they? Mask in society. How did they come in society?

2:27:36They read a lot of comic books Yeah, they went to comic book shops. They went to like punk rock concerts. Yeah They had to find groups. They went to CBGBs. They had to find places where they could fit in. There's no online forums for that. No, it was a factory for turning people into drones. That was society back then. Turned you into a worker drone. Yeah. Oof. Yeah, because school already trains us for it. Yep. The bell rings. You get up. You go to the next class. It's designed for that. Yeah. It's not the best way to teach kids. And guys like you and I, they label you as like ADHD or something, right?

2:28:14Yeah, yeah. Did you get labeled? I didn't get labeled because I don't know why. I kind of, like my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants. They're like, so you got to work hard. You know what I mean? So you got to like apply yourself. And this is a, they went out of their way to provide this opportunity. So I didn't want to blow it up to a certain point. But after a certain point, like, I was going to do comedy, which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do. But high school and college, like, I didn't mind. You know what I mean? Maybe around college, that's when shit started to get, like, a little wonky.

2:28:59But the high school shit, like, all right, I can get some good grades. I can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after. but ending college that's when shit like well then they're prepping you for the real world and you realize it's going to be your whole day doing shit you don't want to do and there's no joy in mudville you're like fuck right unless you're into it unless like college is like whatever subject that you want to pursue in life is that's the way to go you know if you want to be an astronomer that's how you learn you know but for for a comic like college is just like why why am i forced to do this like why am i making myself do this like what is the end goal if i get a job i'm fucked right i knew that i always wanted to like have make a decent amount of money and be middle class that was the i was like so you got to go to college right to do that that's that's the way we were programmed right but the instant comedy came into my mind it was never a risk for me like i was never risking that stability for the gamble of comedy what did it feel like instead of a risk the only thing to do yeah i know what you mean like this there was a switch and once you turned it on that shit was broke it couldn't go back the other way and this is what we was doing yeah that's kind of how you You have to be if you want to do it.

2:30:26I think that's the same with music. I think that's the same with literature. You want to write books. I feel lucky about it, though. Yeah, for sure. Because there's people that were able to turn their switch back off. Mine is still on. Well, that's because you're doing the right thing. You're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing. Right. There's people that turn that switch off because something else drags them in. or they can't beat their demons. Right, right. You know, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of different demons. There's some demons, they're not even dark demons. They're like gray demons, like depression.

2:31:07They can't beat the demon of a dull depression. They don't have the energy to write. They don't have the energy to perform. They don't have the energy to eat healthy. They don't have the energy to do shit. And then they just settle into a mundane life because they can't beat those demons. And they also don't have support. There's a lot of those dudes that get real dark because they don't have support. They're not friends.

2:31:31Listen, and I feel bad for those people. We don't even know what happened to this guy who we just played. What went wrong. What went wrong, what deterred him, what took him off track. But he clearly had something. I've seen people with something. And I remember, damn, I don't know if I can remember his name. We're all doing open mics. We're grinding. We're bombing. Then this guy comes in one night, and he's at the governor's. He goes on stage. He's our age. He rips. I mean, even we're like, wow. Hey, man, what's your name? Tells us. His name might come to me in a minute. I say, how long you been doing it?

2:32:20This is my first time. And then it was like that every time he went on stage. And we hung out with him. And it was just, we were like, this guy. It's like, we're pleased for him. We're his biggest fans. And we're angry at him at the same time. And then he just disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. Then I ran into him in Queens and he was kind of doing it. But it wasn't the same. Like the Muhammad Ali thing. He stopped training for enough years to lose it all, to not even be as good as the first time we saw him, which was his first time. One of the reasons why I talk about the way I approach things is because I think I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you and the little games that will be played.

2:33:20in front of you where you have to make decisions of which way to go and and if something went wrong you got to make decision to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better like what do i have to do to keep going but clearly i'm on a path other people are doing this path i got to figure out how to do this some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover they just they just they start drinking they start eating too much they start doing this they start doing that they get into a bad funk they lose some money they get into a toxic relationship that's a big one that's a big one that's one of the big distractions that people do and they don't even realize they're doing it you're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship that you're in with this person where you yell at each other and you know who knows who knows what your your particular brand of chaos is but the one thing that has in common it's a gigantic distraction from you doing what you want to do in life and you don't have your shit together so you find someone else who doesn't have your shit together and you pile all your shit together and make it way worse.

2:34:22And you both fuck each other's lives up. And at the end of it, maybe one of you will write a song about it. But that's when it's worth it. That's it, baby. Even when you're talking about bad relationships, I'm like, shit, that's material. It is material. It is material. And it's a lot of fun. I never go on a bad date because if a date is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's material. You know what I mean? That's true. So comics complain about dates. I'm like, that's an experience. That's some shit you could bring to the stage. Right. Like, why are you down about this? How many times has someone told you a crazy story, like, in the green room or something like that?

2:34:56And you're like, have you said that on stage yet? Yeah. And you're like, no, can I? Yeah, I tell people all the time. Like, that is, like, sometimes my friend, he just broke up with his girl. He's sad. He's talking about it. I'm like, damn, this nigga don't know how funny he's about to be. And he's crying. I know. He's crying. I know. Some of the greatest comedy came out of Broken Hearts. Yeah. Look at Kinnison. I was married twice. This whole thing. Yeah. This whole thing was just getting his heart broken. Right. One of his best bits was he sat at the piano and sang a love song to his ex. It's like, I hope you die.

2:35:37I hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood. Die. I want my records back. I want my fucking records back. I want my records back. It was like, you looked at him and you just believed it all because like, of course, he's a little fat guy with no hair. People are going to dump on him. It's not going to work out. Even if you're famous and you look like that, they're going to get tired of you. He's a walking underdog story. He's a walking underdog story. Without even fucking explaining it and turning that shit into something. Yeah. How do you not gravitate towards that? Like every heartbreak that I've experienced, like underneath in me, I'm like, man, don't worry.

2:36:20Once this cloud lifts, you'll be able to talk about this on stage. Like, yeah, that's a part of like the survival. That's how far gone in this I am. And I'm just realizing it now as I talk to you. That's funny. Yeah, that's how, it's like, yeah, it's like trying to think of like when bad, like I got into, somebody hit my car. This is going on stage. Or just anything. Yeah. It's just like, sometimes I'm, when I, I don't have that many civilian friends anymore. But sometimes I used to just complain on the phone about an interaction. You know what's funny? Like military people do not like us talking about non-comedians.

2:37:08Oh, yeah. Civilians. we're at war baby now just kidding i know i i cannot military people i get that i get it but that is the term we have used forever forever forever forever like the first time i heard somebody say it i was like how did you know that i said i say that the first time i ever heard a comic refer to other to non-comics as civilians i was like that's what i say in my head how the fuck did you and it's like nobody's stealing it from each other right right but all our terms are related to battle. Like, you bombed, you killed, you know. Died. Died, you know what I mean? So it's like, we all got battle terms.

2:37:47Yeah, well, because it is kind of a mental battle. Right. There's a weird battle of control, and there's always a lot of drunk people in the audience that don't want you taking control. They want to take control of you. I mean, Don L. Rollins got his start as a heckler. Hilarious. Don L. Rollins, that's how he proudly, he's like, I'm a proud heckler, son.

2:38:07it's really funny but it's like so it is kind of there's a battle too and it's also a battle of your own self there's a battle inside of you to try to like what we were talking about before to get to that flow state yeah like what is that battle yeah there's some nights i don't have it i don't it doesn't come and then other nights it's right there the moment i start talking i'm smiling i'm in the groove and it's like we do you have an inkling of it before yeah did you do anything thing to get there i always think about that generally it has to be a day that i work out like for me i work out so much that if i don't work out i get a little just a little tense first of all you're in disrespectful shape you're you're you're in shapeness is disrespectful to me well you gotta eat meat if you want to get in those kind of shapes on soybeans where the elk at right some today yeah i cooked up some heart i cooked up some heart for lunch.

2:39:04Oh shit. It's good. Hot for lunch. Yeah. That's what I ate. Elkhart. Elkhart. Fuck it. That's a big key man. Protein. Animal protein. It's very important for if you want to keep going. The thing is it's like way easier to keep going though than it is to get going. Like if you're 58 and you start working out now like that's hard. But if you're 58 and you've been working out for for me like 40 years. Right. It's not hard for 40 years. More than that. I was 15, so yeah. More than that. I probably started working out when I started wrestling. So that was like 14. Karate was around the same time, then Taekwondo from 15 on.

2:39:49So I've always worked out. So my body just, if I don't work out for a day, my body's like, what's going on? Hilarious. I'm trying to get rid of this stuff. I don't want any anxiety. I don't want any tension. I want to blow it out. You probably sleepwalk into the gym. You probably wake up sometimes like, oh, shit, I worked out. You press the button for the code and you was in there. You had no fucking idea. Well, that's why I like things that you can't sleepwalk through. Like if you're doing heavy rounds in the bag, you can't sleepwalk through 10 rounds in the bag. When that seventh round comes around, you look at the timer, you're like, fuck, I got three more rounds.

2:40:26You do 10? Yeah. I mean, I do it at my own pace. It's not like 10 of fighting. but it's you know 10 where you're you're going at it and it's it but that's the point the point is that when it's done i'm like oh i fucking did it and it's really 10 is only 30 minutes of work yeah i know yeah fighting is fighting is taxing this is 10 three minute rounds when i hit the bag but like think about a mma fight is five minute rounds that's crazy yeah that's pretty that's crazy and another dude is trying to kill you yeah for five minutes and you're getting hit in that time. And you're getting choked and body slammed.

2:41:02Your arm's getting yanked out of the socket. Squeezed, yeah, yeah. Then you have to recover. They got ice on your shin in between rounds. Like, fuck am I doing with my life? I should have went to school. Yeah, that is a crazy mentality type of life. God bless them. God bless them. And they have to be all in too. The way you're all in with comedy and you always have been, they have to be all in with fighting. And even then, there's no guarantee because there might be a Mike Tyson in your division. There might be a Sugar Ray Leonard. There might be a Floyd Mayweather. There might be a dude you're never catching up to.

2:41:33Trance Crawford. Yeah. Like I say, I don't know much about fighting, and I've learned a lot from you. I remember we did a show in, I think, Denver, and there was this female fighter. She came backstage, and she was up there, and she just had a kid. and she's still going to fight, but she's like, there's other things to life. I'm going to raise my son and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then once she said there's other things to life, and I was like, just in my head, and you're a fighter. And just the way she said it and some other things, I was like, she shouldn't fight no more. And I watched all her fights after that, and she might have won one.

2:42:19But she didn't. and I can't remember her name per se, but I just remember her saying that. You're the king of that, not being able to remember. Leave us with mysteries. You're welcome. You're welcome. I'm out. The comments are going to try to find that dude that you said is the best fighter ever. They're scouring right now. Yeah, somebody came up with that. Yeah, it's a thing that you have to either want to be a world champion, you have to want to be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman. And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a paycheck, It's a crazy way to make a living, but there are a lot of guys out there That they get to a point where they realize I'm never gonna be champion, but I'm still gonna make a lot of money Right, and I'm still gonna have some good fights as long as I don't have to fight any World champions I can be successful 60 % of the time maybe seven if you're lucky How much way to live though so hard way to live how much like what's the average like?

2:43:16Paycheck for a fight for a fighter like that you just described It depends on how much they have crowd popularity, right? Like if you're a Donald Cerrone, cowboy Cerrone, who never won the title, but who's a guy who— Love Cerrone. He would make some real good money, real good money. I don't want to talk out of school. I don't know what his checks were. Right. But you could get rich. You could be a multimillionaire. Sean Strickland, he was just talking about it in one of his Instagram stories. That's why I could say this, where he said he's got about$4 million in the bank. That's good. And I'm like, that's amazing.

2:43:50Yeah, and he's, what, 30s? He's in his 30s. Right. He's still top of the food chain, one of the best in the world in his division, and he's got money set aside. Like, that's a smart dude. Right. You got to kind of be able to do that. Because if you don't do that, and then you run out of fighting, and you run out of money, and you run out of options, and you run out of ideas, you don't know what to do. That's a terrible—see, we could do what we do. Don Herrera said this to me once. He was like 65 years old, and he got off stage. He fucking murdered. Oh, shit. And he goes, Joey, he goes, one of the things I love about this fucking game is like, as long as you're in it, you're still getting better.

2:44:22He's like, I'm still getting better. Right. And it was beautiful to watch because it's true. Like Rodney Dangerfield, deep into his 70s, killing, killing. George Carlin, deep into his late ages before he died, killing. You know, you could still do it. And with fighting, there's a time where all this fails you. Right. All the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails, the wheels fall off. And then you can't take a shot anymore and you got to get out. Yeah. I've seen it in boxing because that's the combat sport that I've watched the most growing up. Shit. Now I'm going to mention another name that I can't remember.

2:45:04So there was this black guy who was fighting a Mexican guy, but they're big name guys. Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez. Boom. Yeah. That fight. Yeah. Never the same after that. Oh, bro. I got a Hooligans shot by Sherman right now. Oh, shit. Yeah. Look at that. He was winning the fight. Yep. Yep. Winning it. Winning it. Got. Winning it. Chased him down. Yep. Got stopped in the last seconds of the last round. And Melchior Taylor was never the same again. Never. Never the same again. Ever. Ever, bro. Never the same again. All the skill. Yep. All the technique. Yep. And he was a great fighter.

2:45:40Great Olympic gold medalist. Yes. World champion. Yeah. He didn't leave that ring the way he went in. Yep. And he was good enough to beat Chavez. Mm-hmm. Crazy. Kind of, because he lost. He almost beat Chavez. And that would have been a great moment. Huge. Huge moment. Huge. But the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life. Even if he never got hit with that last punch, if he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision you know and no if they did that he still is never the same again yeah because chavez was just breaking him down breaking him down and then you're not around those guys the next day that's the saddest thing about the ufc would i run into dudes who lost the next day at the airport and you see them at the airport and like one eye is completely shut they got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open their arms in a sling and they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up they can barely walk and you see them get on the plane you're like whoa they got sunglasses on and shit and they're just and everybody's like that's like i thought last night he got knocked out shit and you see him walking by sometimes that's the winner too oh yeah that's how brutal that shit oh yeah oftentimes that's the winner but you would see those guys at the airport you're like wow that's a that's a wake-up call because it's not just the night of the fight it's like how long is it going to be before you feel normal again right yeah you brought up bernard hopkins earlier and he has uh the way he fought was i ain't getting cte yeah first of all you you may hit me and if it is it's because you're gonna hit me while i'm holding you and you ain't get no force or no power and people are going to cuss and say i'm a dirty fighter and let the motherfucker go this is not a dance yeah and this ain't the electric slide or the two-step but i am not getting no brain damage yep like muhammad ali used to move bernard would come to you hug you pap pap hug you again pap pap hug you again people paid their money curse this motherfucker out, but they still come back to see this motherfucker hold.

2:48:02Yeah, he frustrated the shit out of people, but he did fuck some people up, too. When he fucked up Felix Trinidad, that was a big one. That was a big one, because everybody thought Trinidad was going to kill him. I thought Trinidad was going to kill him, too. He was a bad motherfucker deep into his late 40s. Yes. Late 40s, world class. That's crazy. If you don't let him fight, you could fight for a long ass time. You could just keep fighting. Just don't let him fight. He knew all the arm locks but even him like the last fight he had against joe smith jr he got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head and he was 50 years old that's that's old bro i know and the guy who was fought the guy who fought joe smith jr is a murderous puncher just murderous puncher and he just hit and bernard with these haymakers and bernard went through the ropes and the ropes were loose and he fell out of the ropes and landed on his fucking head that's how the fight is too old to be doing it first of all he's too old to like like you said your body goes so he probably also have the strength no his body's not so also falling out of the the ring and no one catches you and you land on your head that's crazy it's almost makes up for all the punches he missed exactly his entire career all in that one moment i mean that's a car wreck yeah that could fuck you up for the rest of your life.

2:49:22Yeah. We're lucky. We're lucky we picked a thing that doesn't give you brain damage and you can keep doing forever and ever. Yeah, or we were just made this way, or it picked us. I don't know what. It's just too serendipitous, but I'm glad. I'm glad, too. I'm glad we've been friends all this time, too. We've had a fun ride. Let's keep this shit going. Tonight, you doing my show tonight? I'm leaving. I'm going back to LA. You ain't gonna like that answer. That's all I even ask. Do you have to go back? Can we change your flight? I got a writing job. Oh, you got to be there tomorrow? So I got to be there tomorrow.

2:49:59Oh, okay. All right. So it's a writing job, that velvet prison, son. I'm trying to break out. That's why I got this special. I'm going to keep putting out specials, bro. Okay. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. All right, brother. Well, tell everybody what's the name of it. Where is it? It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards Stand Up. Untitled. It's called Untitled. And all the money from the views and the AdSense goes to victims of the L.A. fire. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, I don't want no money. For real, though. For real. For real, for real. Like, unlike all those other gigantic. You know me. I've never scammed anybody.

2:50:34No. You know what I mean? I'm just like, I was there in L.A. when it happened, and it was devastating. Did you do this in the La Jolla? Yeah, at the comedy store. The La Jolla is the guy that's such a great room. That's such a great room. Yeah. Beautiful. all right thanks for having me brother you're the best i love you i love you i love you all right bye everybody