#2391 - Duncan Trussell

31:54Decriminalized sex work. Holla at your boy. Framing is both mutual aid and an anti-discrimination effort. Oh, mutual aid. Now, that is – since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is a Marxist communist talking point. That's what they call it, mutual aid. It's also an anarchist talking point. It's not the worst thing ever. But when you hear mutual aid, that point – I'm not going to say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially one of the concepts that they work with. Which I actually, I kind of like that concept of mutual aid. It's great if we weren't human. I know. But I'm telling you, it's also come under scrutiny for channeling substantial campaign funds to the Democratic Socialists of America, raising alarm among opponents who see this as evidence of radical influence.

32:49As soon as you get outside of a meritocracy, everything falls apart. And if you don't realize that by now, folks, there's nothing I can tell you that's going to change your mind. And it always leads to one thing, which is you have to enforce these very rigid laws that nobody wants to adhere to. And the way you do that is with the military. Shazam, you got a military dictatorship. It happens that quickly. And then all this bullshit about equality, it's all out the window. You'll do whatever the fuck they tell you to do. You have no power. You have no rights. Yeah, that's it, man. And the people at the top live like kings.

33:22Here's how I think if I was going to make the argument, which I agree with you on meritocracy in the sense that, you know, that's the it's the ecosystem we live in as comedians. It's it's it's the I think you could say. If we disrupted the meritocracy in nature, then it would God, it would fuck up almost every biome. And the so but I would say, what about like a merit? Your body has a meritocracy. Your body has a meritocracy. The white blood cells in your body when they're functioning, they get rid of parts of your body that are fucked up little genetic patterns. They have to, you know, if your body wasn't running as a perfectly harmonized, I guess.

34:09You know what? Maybe the body's communist now that I think about it.

34:17You know what? I think I'm wrong. I don't think our bodies are meritocracy, actually. I think they're more of a symphony than a meritocracy. But then if you want to go to a good symphony, you want everyone playing in the symphony to be the best. But let's talk about what we were talking about earlier when it's like a company. And so the workers who make your products make very little money and you make all the money. wouldn't there be a way to do capitalism with with a heart like capitalism where where you're make a reasonable amount of money that's large yeah and more money goes to everybody else and everybody lives at a higher standard of living oh sure that's that's tax tax that's taxation that's like redistribution of wealth via taxation but it's not if it's your employees Well, they well there's profit sharing models that some people use dr.

35:11Bronner's that company is a classic example of it They like they but I'm just talking about these other companies the companies that suck Like if you really are making most of the money and you pay your workers very poorly. Yeah, like that's so unnecessary Because I guarantee you if you're right like let's say you're the person who owns Target. Yeah How much does that guy get a lot? You know what I mean? Are you gonna use it all? Are you going to use it all? Wow. So why don't you just pay more money? Like, wouldn't everybody be happier? Isn't it shareholders? Wouldn't you be able to get better people?

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37:07And it's the whole, just the stock market thing in general. Imagine if there was no stock market. It didn't exist. You can never gamble on companies. You couldn't buy a little piece of Apple, buy a little piece of IBM. Imagine if that didn't exist and you could only make a business and then prop it off your business. Wouldn't that be like steadier? Comrade Comrade I love where you're going The dissolution of the stock market That's a good place to start The stock market I'm not saying we should Just don't get me wrong And I'm not saying I don't own stocks But what I'm saying is It's a crazy idea To have little pieces of companies That you can buy And then use that money To get the company going And you go public And you're taking some fucking money And then you're on the boat And then you got the board meeting And you're constantly rising and falling with the Dow.

37:59Yeah. Like, what? The Dow Jones Industrial Average. Oh, God. And now they're doing it with computers. And do you know that a lot of these traders, they're trying to get as close as possible to the servers? Yeah. So they want their offices as physically close to the servers as possible so that they can get their trade-ins milliseconds quicker. It's like a mosquito getting to that good vein. That seems nuts. I just, we can catch rockets now thanks to Elon. We could send high-speed video through the sky. That's the only way we can do that? Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I don't know, man. This is what, to me, this is way outside of my pay grade because I have, you know, I did make some money on, it was AMC or GameStop.

38:51Thanks to Wall Street bets. It just seems so nuts. Dude, it sucks. And sometimes it crashes. What? Yeah. What are you talking about? The same amount of money's out there. It has bubbles. Oh, Jesus Christ. It has bubbles. It makes the whole economy steady and smooth. No, it's chaos. It's fucking chaos. It's chaos. And a lot of it's based on confidence. Like, someone could just tweet something. And then, oh! Dude, that... And a panic and a stock will crash. It triggers a breaker. Yes. Whatever that is, there's some actual thing that just shuts it down because it's gone too high or gone too low. And they've got to, I guess, look at it and make sure that that's not a malfunction.

39:34And then that leads to recessions or depressions. And all of it is like a very complex game of D &D. Like it's just fucking numbers in a computer somewhere. And everyone's on the street. Everybody's the same. Everyone is still capable of delivering mutual aid to each other. But because we've become so attached to this very complex, very serious game, like at a casino, we don't know how to disengage from it and get back to reality reality, which is help your neighbors. Get to know your neighbors. Don't be a dick. just basic simple sort of modes of living that are transcendent to any economic system um that are transcendent to dude my you ever had doug rush cuff on your podcast yeah uh dude back in the day right team human oh he's so but he you know he was talking about like how the the way that we even currently use currency is totally different from the way it used to it used to be And that his whole point is like that level of reality, I don't think he's discounting it, but that isn't reality reality.

40:53Reality reality is boots on the ground where the rubber hits the road. Do you know your neighbors Or have you just Retracted into your fucking Weird little conch shell And you're just staring into rectangles Completely alienated From the rest of your community Especially if you're in a high rise Doing that Imagine you're doing that In a building with a thousand other people And you don't know any of them It's so weird You just in your little high Click, lock your little door Or get your fucking jerk off. Jerk off. Fucking just. Playing video games. Doom scroll. You sleep for three hours and you get up in the morning, take an Adderall and go to work.

41:38Dude, yeah. That. There you go. You just described it. I have ADHD. I need it, Duncan. It's the American dream. I have ADHD. I need it, Duncan. It's the American dream. Well, this. Well, you know, I'll tell you. Back when everybody was doing blow in this country. Back in the good old days. The good old days. When they put cocaine in Coca-Cola. There's a precedent for speed in our country. This isn't the first time there's been a speed craze in our country. Like Freud was like shooting up cocaine. Like this was people thought that it was a cure for a malaise that was afflicting people. And they said that malaise was a result of things getting too fast in society because of trains and stuff.

42:22Now, this is back before computers, and they were already like, shit's moving too fast. We got to do blow to keep up with it. No way. Yes. That's why they started doing blow. Oh, fuck yeah. Hey, here's a real question. We know that coca leaves have existed forever, but when did they first figure out how to make cocaine? Let's guess. We'll put it into perplexity, but we'll make a guess. Okay, okay. It's one of our sponsors. I'm going to I'm gonna say Okay, you have to turn coca leaves into cocaine that you could snort seven I'm gonna say somewhere like 1750

43:05I'm gonna say 1900s I'm gonna say you're probably right. I fucked up my whole thing I want to say like 1902 or some shit because I bet before that they were just chewing it like those high-altitude Herding people do you know those animal herders they chew the shit out of that stuff and it gives them energy It's like a flat level energy superior to caffeine. I've heard it's great, but it's your stomach I haven't tried it, but I do see People that do chew it they their teeth get all fucked up. I tried the tea once how well it's good I couldn't shut the fuck up. It was a real problem. I was like I'm not I can't shut the fuck up normally.

43:43I should never do coke I was hanging out with Stanhope and I was telling I was like dude, I can't shut the fuck up. Yeah, it's hilarious Okay, dried cocaine first known use of dried cocaine 1859 close I got it you got it close can you ask perplexity? how to make cocaine? Yeah. Let's find out. How do you make cocaine? You ever see Mariana Van Zeller? Have you ever seen that show Trafficked? No. Dude. No, what is it? She went to the jungle to where they make the cocaine and she was with them while they were making the cocaine and then went through the jungle with them when they bring it on their back.

44:34Whoa, cool. She hiked out with them. Wow. Dude. Wow. Dude. It's a crazy episode because it shows you how they make it. First of all, you'd never do Coke again. They're pouring gasoline on this and you're like, what? Gasoline. Like, Coke is so bad. Yeah, it's not good. It's fucking jet fuel. It is. You're snorting jet fuel. I never had a taste for it, man. I never liked it. Replexity actually gave her a video. for how to make cocaine that's hilarious perplexity stocks just went up 50 % I think she's coming on again soon so she's awesome she's been on the podcast a few times she's also the lady that her and her husband exposed the Oxycontin Express they had that documentary back in the day on that where it was the whole thing about Florida being this pill mill and you go in these pain management centers but she's the one that documented it all and was showing how if you follow this road up, you just get addiction and addiction into Kentucky, and it's all coming right out of Florida.

45:39Wow. Because there's no database. Dude. Whoopsies, we forgot to have a database. So you could go to one doctor, and then go to the next doctor, and go to the next doctor, and you didn't have to tell anybody. Oh, my God. Next thing you know, you've got a trunk filled with pills. Wow. Oh, I'm going on vacation. You think I can get six months worse? Wow. No problem. Dude. They're trying to just give you pills, man. It's fucked up. But this is not new. Their pain management center is a new name for it. It used to just be called a pharmacy. And back when cocaine was in Coca-Cola, you just go to one of these pharmacies?

46:16Oh, yeah. Could I get some laudanum? They're going to give you a nice bottle of fucking, I think it's like opium or heroin, liquid heroin. You just go back to your— That's all those Wild West movies. People got hooked on that. Laudanum. Laudanum. It was like a lot of the wives, like one of the wives would get hooked on it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wasn't there a few of those movies? Oh, yeah. It was real. Of course. So this is America. Of course it's real. It echoes. It keeps having these recurrences of some kind of opiate emerging into the mainstream and fucking up America or cocaine or the new drug, the algorithm pie that we're all getting high on.

46:58And this is the new cocaine that we have yet to give it the right name. Right now we call them phones, which is so funny you call these things phones. I know, because how often do you use it as a phone? Rarely. Rarely. Rarely. A couple times a day. It's like calling this a podcast. Right. Like no one's listening to this on an iPod. You know? This is a computer with a phone in it. Bro, you remember the iPod with the wheel? I loved it. Clickety, clickety. Clickety clickety clickety. Can you still get those? Why doesn't Apple just still sell those? I don't I'm You know just just give me something where it's just my music.

47:36It's not gonna text me Oh, dude, I know just not gonna let me know that this is happening or that The best me give me a little iPod with a clickety wheel. I bet they're expensive now I bet you could find them on like eBay um Did you see? Somebody posted a thing about these new refrigerators that if you get this refrigerator it puts ads on it like your fucking refrigerator has ads on it oh thank god that's what i've been missing in my life i was wondering what it is and then the thought of having ads in my kitchen filled me with joy and i knew that's what was you know yeah everybody has their own personal jesus dude they do and what's better than the nice calming effect of an ad while you're tied ad a tied ad yeah dude i it is that to me like and And I'm generally like, I really like government regulation freaks me out most of the time.

48:29But fuck, man, we got to do something about this algorithm because it's driving people crazy. We've got people out of their fucking mind. There needs to at least be education in schools to explain to you that because you are getting a certain type of content, that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at. And I'm not sure people realize that. And it's making people have very strong opinions that they think are backed up by big groups of people. They don't understand. It's like, no. Like I sent my wife. I don't know why I did this. I sent her a picture of a legless pregnant woman. Jesus.

49:07Very sexy legless pregnant woman. And then the algorithm, all I'm getting is sexy amputees. Oh, boy. You know what I mean? And I don't think people understand that when you're getting like political shit served up to you, that is not. What everybody's getting. No, it doesn't mean there's a consensus here. Well, that's also why people get so confused when the cultural divide is so strict. It's such a wall. The difference between what people accept as being reality versus what people are willing to challenge versus, you know, it's just the differences on both sides. Because they have these echo chambers and they really do believe that everybody around them agrees with them.

49:52And then if you're in like normal jobs, normal castrated jobs, you know, normal job, we have to go in there and pretend to be somebody else all day long. And you're so bored. Yeah. And you can't wait to get the fuck out of there. That's another factor. Yeah, man. It's nuts. Yeah. What's that? At the mothership, you were talking about, I don't want to fuck up one of your jokes. What is it about? Mobs. Oh, yeah, yeah But you know that well, this is what it is what I was saying that like when you're on the ground like anytime there's a protest a protest is too much like war because you're marching together and There's a lot of energy and there's a cause and people are yelling and it ignites the feeling of war Yeah, the same way when you go fishing You don't know why but even you take a little kid fishing the moment they catch that fish moments on the hook Oh, yeah, oh, they get so excited because you're genetically rewarded like your hormones fire up your endorphins fire up yes Historically throughout human history that was the way you're gonna be able to feed yourself Yeah, so that this is built into you when you're marching and you're all saying the same things You're on the streets and you're all in agreement.

51:08You're a gang. Yeah, all right You're a mob and you're about to go to war and anybody that gets in front of you, fuck you, move your fucking car. People get completely unreasonable and it's totally tolerated, not just tolerated, but it's supported by a bunch of other people who just start kicking the car. People that would never kick a car in polite society. They'll start kicking cars, fuck you, they get ramped up, man, and that's what mob mentality is. Mob mentality is ancient war patterns. That's it. ancient war patterns that get ignited when people are on the street chanting. Because historically, when you did that, that's what you were doing.

51:48You were going to go fuck someone up. They didn't just protest on the streets back in the day. When they got that many people, they went through the castle door. When there's that many people... You can do it. Have you seen what's going on? Some of these giant protests in the UK. Okay, if this was 500 years ago and that many people got together, They're going straight through. They're going straight through. They're eating arrows along the way, but they're going to kill most of the guards, and they're going to get inside, and they're going to behead the king, and they're going to hold it over the balcony, and everyone's going to cheer, and that guy's the new king.

52:23You got it. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it. That's the history of the human race. It's Conan the Barbarian. Yes. That's it. And that's all in our DNA. And when we start walking down the street together chanting. Dude, so that is so true. And I felt it before. But that algorithm, it's invoking the very same thing from the safety of your house. You're anonymous. You think you're part of a group. You're going to war. You're going to fucking war. Yeah, it's us versus them. It's us versus them. We've got to stop the fascists. And people are going nuts from it. People are going legitimately. Like talk about like heartlessness, like, you know, part of war, of course, is dehumanization.

53:10Like there's no way you can like be a successful soldier and humanize the people that you're attacking. Like, you know, if you're a drone operator, you don't want to like think about like, wow, I bet this guy's kids are going to be pretty upset when they find out their dad died. You must not think these things. And so this is what the other thing that we're being invited to do via this algorithmic induced psychosis is to dehumanize huge swaths of people that we probably don't know anything about, you know, except from what our algorithm is introducing to us, which is an anomalous 0.1, 0.5. even if it's 1 % of a population, the algorithm has no nuance.

53:57The algorithm is like, let me show you the craziest motherfucker you've ever seen. You know what I mean? And that's when you're going to see some like, I don't know, a clown with breast implants, like windmilling his dick in front of a fucking elementary school. And you're like, fuck, what is happening? We got to stop these dick clowns. And you know what I mean? And so this is creating so much tumult. And that is how you get authoritarianism in. Yeah. Get everybody scared. Get everybody scared. And then. That was a speculation about why the borders would be open in the first place. Why would you want an increase in crime and danger?

54:35Why would you want people to know? Well, because that's the best way. And then defund the police so that there's just ultimate chaos. And then you get to a point where people are willing to do almost anything to be safe So look and then there's tanks in the streets, right? What do we do though? I mean this is a I think this is like Well, you can't ever let it get that bad first off right can't ever let it get bad like if someone said We're gonna get the National Guard. We're gonna go through Scottsdale, Arizona They'd be like what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, Scottsdale is beautiful There's like nothing happening here at all.

55:10That would be nuts. So it has to get so bad that people are like, you know what, let's bring in the military. And then a bunch of people are like, fuck yeah. So you got to let it get real bad. And you got to put people in place. If like if I was an evil wizard running the world. Yeah, if I was a puppeteer. I would get super incompetent people and place them throughout the Pacific Northwest. And have these people just be the most inept politicians of all time. The dumbest policies that keep ruining cities everywhere they go, but yet everybody still supports it because they're all in a cult. And just let that play out for a decade or two.

55:46Let it get to the point where it's just mad chaos and homelessness everywhere. Defund the fuck out of the police. Basically have no police. Basically just no jail. Just everybody try to be nicer. And basically like maybe they robbed because they needed food, okay? Maybe they just wanted bread for their family, right? and then just let it deteriorate to the point where you can bring in the military. And then you lock it down. And then you fund the resistance so that they attack the military so you can spend more money on the military fighting the resistance. And, you know, you kind of spar, sort of like Jake Paul and Mike Tyson.

56:21You don't really go at it 100%. And then you just keep this fucking party rolling. And you have ultimate control over the entire civilization under their own decisions. decisions like they decided to have it this way oh my god it was their their own choice that is they would take that over danger and so you make the danger worse and worse to the point where you'll give in and that's what's that's literally what they try to do do you know i don't think it's republicans and i don't think it's democrats folks and i think that's where they're getting us that's it i i think this is all done at a very high level and it's all people that are so wealthy they might as well be their own country.

57:02Dude, it's alien. Alien, remember the corporations own you. It's that. It's a corporatocracy or something like that. Some people get too rich. They get too kooky, controlled world rich. And I think if that's your game, okay, I like to play pool. But if you're into global world dominance, if that's your game, And you think you might actually be able to pull it off and be mentioned in the annals of history along with Rockefeller and other great titans of business. You're probably going to do that because that's your game. That's what you like to do. You like to be the baddest motherfucker in money.

57:41Sure. Yeah. And so that gets scary. Or this is where it gets really scary to me. You, it's not, at least in your own mind, you're not thinking, I want to control the fucking world. Right. You're thinking oh dear God this technology that I worked on is about to wake up We already have iterations of it that are infinitely smarter than anyone I've ever met I don't know if it's been manipulating me or not because it seems to have a Hannibal Lecter's ability to control my psyche Even when I don't want it to we've done the study seven people in my company have committed suicide Because of contact with this fucking thing.

58:18Holy shit. We got to do seven people so it's just make that up I made it up. Okay. But I mean, no, if I'm doing a movie about it, a Lovecraftian movie about somebody. I thought maybe you knew something about some AI suicides because I'm waiting on those. No, I don't. Well, I mean, we do have people committing suicide, but only because they updated, they patched the AI girlfriend or whatever. And it's like basically someone you were in love with died. I heard that happen. Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman and he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower who killed himself, he doesn't believe that he killed himself?

59:02Altman said that? No, Tucker was saying this to Altman. Oh. What did Altman say? It is. He's like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him. First of all, we worked together and I cared about him very much. And it's like I had nothing to do with it. The police said that it was a suicide. And then Tucker was talking about how the guy had just ordered food and about there were signs of struggle. And he was just saying a bunch of different things. And Sam Alton was like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him. Right. It was very tense. You know. Like very, very, it's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between a guy who is in charge of making a digital God and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being or not even accusing him.

59:50He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe, not accusing him at all, actually, but bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide and that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide. Holy shit. no indications that it was suicidal it was how i wonder what tucker carlson security detail looks like it must be like a chuck norris movie it must be like one of them delta force movies where there's like 40 dolph lundgren buff dudes around him at all times like what the fuck dude dude i know like that i yeah i worry about him of all the people it's like holy shit that guy is not afraid to poke every goddamn wasp's nest there is.

1:00:36And he's, it's like, that's a lot of pressure. Dude. That's a lot of pressure being that guy. Yeah, man. Yeah. You know. Did you see that video of him fly fishing in New York? Oh, long, long, long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, that was, I think that was when he was, I don't even know if he was on Fox. You know, he used to be on CNN. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was on CNN. He had his bow tie era. The bow tie era. Yeah. Yeah. Then they they fucking booted him off Fox. And then he became like this renegade free agent journalist just out there kicking up dust. Did they ever give a direct reason for why they kicked him off Fox?

1:01:18Was there ever? Wasn't he? Well, I think the sense I got was that they weren't letting him talk about certain things and he was going to keep talking about it is the sense I got. And I can't remember what exactly he was doing, but I think well, he seems to be very much against war Yeah, and so I think he might have been Saying something I can't remember but it was something enough to do with the Dominion voting machine lawsuit because didn't Fox have a giant lawsuit with it Remember that maybe I do well, let's put that into perplexity Let's find out What did he do? Private messages surfaced during litigation, concealed Carlson's extreme off-air views, including racist and offensive comments, which alarmed Fox executives and confirmed that his on-air rhetoric reflected his genuine beliefs.

1:02:11See, the problem with that is, like, what did he say? Like, you're just, like, labeling it racist and offensive comments. Like, can I just hear what he said in the context? As perplexity, what specifically, what were the racist? I think they released it. Did they release the text, the actual text? Well, let's just like keep reading. As perplexity, what is the most racist thing you could say? Okay, hold on, but here it is. The firing came shortly after Fox News settled a$787.5 million defamation lawsuit with Dominion voting systems over false election fraud rumors promoted on the network in which Carlson was implicated.

1:02:52So it could have been a part of that for sure Carlson's behavior described it as erratic and damaging Along with private communications expressing See this thing like expressing racist and vulgar language Like what did he say? Did they say what he said? What did he say? And also here's the thing He's saying it to a friend in a text message? Yeah. What is he saying? You could get any one day, you and I, texting each other, and it could be misinterpreted in the most horrible way possible. Never! Not our text! No! If people didn't know our sarcasm specifically... I'm sure it's not going to show whatever the fuck it was he said.

1:03:41You could text. Why don't you text him and ask him? Does it? Yeah, I don't want to do that right now. Not while we're on the air. Well, you could. That's a funny text. Yeah. Hey, we're on the air. We were wondering what racist text you sent. He's a journalist. The thing is, I don't. It could be a lot of things where I'd be like, that's not nothing. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what he actually said. But when you just label it racist, then it like the mind, the imagination goes wild. Like if you have the text messages, that seems crazy. Yeah, right. Let me form my own opinions. I don't know what he said.

1:04:17You might be like super exaggerating He might have said something about you know He has to get a great Jewish lawyer for this one Like oh you racist who I don't know what he said well that in that void of data My mind is projecting like the worst American history action Like exactly one that I could find what does it say? I'm glad you read it. I didn't read it yet I don't want to read his fucking tweets. You know what I mean? It's not how white men fight. It's not how white men fight. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable, obviously. It's not how white men fight. Oh, I do remember this. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they'd hit him harder, kill him.

1:05:00I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Wait, this is a story? This sounds like jerk-off material. Doesn't it? Doesn't it sound like it's going to get to some weird gay porn? Wait, listen. But look, I'm becoming something I don't want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I'm sure I'd hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don't care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

1:05:31What a monster! Oh, Tucker Carlson, how could you say that? You know what I mean? The only weird part is that's not how white men fight. That's a crazy thing. to say but the rest of it is like a wonderful sentiment and a great perspective exactly and that's been my experience with him he's i like him he's a nice guy i mean it seems like it's a kind of confessional he's he's opening up with something this is unfortunately what my brain is thinking right now right and who the fuck has control over that but also but that is a text Right. I don't know if that was a text text game. That's like that's a beautiful text He's a smart dude, and he's just also you have to take into consideration.

1:06:18He's in the thick of it all day long Yeah Constantly no thanks like he's not doing what we do we kind of like dabble in the pool go. What the fuck is this? Yeah, and then we get out and yeah Talk about silly things. Yes. There's no silly over there. He's fully in he's all in with this and And, you know, there's only a few lightning rods of attention, right? There's only a few people out there that are out there, like, pushing the boundaries. Like, he just released a 9-11 piece. I didn't see it yet. Jesus Christ. Yeah, like, what really happened in 9-11? Fuck, dude. I mean, this is, but here's the thing.

1:06:57There is a Medusa quality to the thing he has gotten sucked into, which is the longer you look at it, the more you get crystallized, petrified into some weird political form. Right. And that, that, that, this is what I think Ram Dass would always talk about that I loved is like, there's all these channels, right? And, and one channel that you, most people default to is you're a you and I'm a me and you're, you're my enemy or my friend or my lover or my fan or whatever. And I'm this thing. And that's one channel. And politics lives in that channel of reality. That's all politics is there. It's this, how do we deal with this diversity of opinion in a giant country?

1:07:45And how do we execute the will of the people when so many people have different ways of thinking about this? So that's one channel. And then there's the next channel. That's the mushroom channel. That's the channel where suddenly you're like, wait a minute, I think you're just pretty much like me. And I'm just like you. And that leads to other channels, which is sort of a pure unified consciousness. And if you get locked into that political channel, as many of us have been locked, like Tucker Carlson, you can feel it pulling you in like quicksand. You can feel how it takes up all of your thought processes, how if you're not careful in the middle of the day, you'll just be ruminating over whether what ICE is doing is correct in Portland, a city far away from you, not noticing anything around you, not thinking about anything other than whatever the algorithm has been injecting into your mind.

1:08:40And this is a form of idolatry, Father, if you ask me, which is you begin worshiping the state and you begin worshiping the story in the news or whatever you're encountering, which is default reality. So you start bowing down to this idol with your attention. And, you know, like, I'm sorry, I'll shut up in a second. The stories of Krishna, which is people who are into bhakti yoga, that's one of the deities that they worship. And so in bhakti yoga, God doesn't care if you are connected to God via love or even hate. Because the connection itself is all that matters. And the more like there's stories of demons that wanted to kill Krishna and were so focused on hating them, him, that they became his greatest devotees because just via the attention they transformed.

1:09:37Similarly, whether you hate the state, love the state, hate the Dems, love the Dems, hate the Republicans, love the Republicans. All of your attention is fixated on this fucking thing. And what do they say? Neurons that fire together, wire together. Your brain changes. It literally will change the neurological makeup of your brain. You've become a political animal, fixated, trapped, petrified in this. And you completely are missing out on all the other things that are happening around it. And that's what gives it that malevolent glow of some dark deity. Because via your fixation and focus, the rest of reality dims.

1:10:20everything else dims until all you're doing is saying some mantra against the state or for the state you know now you've become a cultist now you are fully engrossed in this new religion which is worship of the state via hate or adoration it's the same thing don't trick yourself into thinking because you hate donald trump that you aren't bowing down at that altar that's a whole part of bhakti yoga attention where attention goes energy flows and you know the state that demands attention to survive if it's not getting the enough attention it loses all power it dissolves all it's got is like people with guns that's power but it requires a very intense belief in it and a very intense belief in it in one way or the other you know And if you think of the human race on Earth, if you thought of us as like one giant super organism, you would think, oh, they figured out electricity and now they're starting to grow together.

1:11:37Now they're massing and now they're stacking. Now they've developed these construction methods where they can get 100 floors straight up in the air and they're smashing all together and they're kind of dehumanizing each other and they're piling on top of each other in this totally new way of existing together. They've never had people in history stacked on top of each other for 100 floors. You don't even know anybody. You're all stuck in traffic. Everybody's all together in this one thing. and you're all working towards a goal of getting this fucking AI on board. That's right. Everything up until now, every song, every song, every play that you ever went to on Broadway, all of it was just about getting this AI born.

1:12:24That's right. Every comment. That's the whole thing. All of our work is really just to make money. All of our money is after the bills is really just to buy the best stuff. Yeah, what's the best stuff and it's Electronics it's TVs. It's computers. It's a phone It's got to get better in order to get better They got to work on it and they get it to a point where we're at now Yeah, where we're like boy, maybe they shouldn't have done this. Whoops Whoopsies whoopsies you're about to give birth to God. Yeah, well you're about to give birth to something something Maybe it's a portal to God. Maybe that's what it is.

1:13:03Maybe AI opens up. Maybe that's where it could be. Could be God. Could be a digital Jesus. A lot of things. I don't think it's God. I don't think it's God. We've talked about this before. I don't. I think you can't. It's just the dimensions it's existing in are just purely mathematical. And I don't know, man. Even though it's really good, it's even like a person now. Really good. But it's like whatever it is, though, I do think it's a natural thing in the sense that what you're saying, if you look at the trajectory that everything, it does seem to be. Yeah, I don't necessarily think it's God either.

1:13:40I know you don't. But it might be. Well, it might be how God gets created, which is the craziest idea. I mean, what is this cycle of birth and death of universes, if that's real? Right. So what is happening? What causes it to happen in the first place? What causes the universe to even exist? There's so many weird questions when it comes to that. Yeah. It's just a weird idea that there was nothing and then there was something. And Penrose doesn't even necessarily think that's true, I think, now. I think he thinks there's many versions of this. Yeah. It's like this infinite loop of constant big bangs and expansions.

1:14:22Yeah. Which is maybe even crazier. Yeah, as above so below man, it's like look at what we do Can you imagine the amount of time it takes to get the universe back down to the size of the head of a pin before you blow it up again? But the the right the universe doesn't care Yeah, it's another 13.7 billion years to smush all back together again before it blows It doesn't care. It doesn't have to care. It's gonna be here forever. That doesn't mean anything to it So another 13, like if we got hit by an asteroid and it wiped out the human race and rats had to start from scratch and become us again, which is the theory.

1:15:01The theory is that there was a tiny little mole. Yeah. Like a little marsupial type creature. Yeah. And that became us. Yeah. Yeah. So like the universe doesn't care. Like it's willing to scrap the whole project, the whole dinosaur project. That's a wrap. We don't agree with this. Boom. And it doesn't matter. And then a new thing comes along, and that new thing is us. And according to this Richard Dolan book, it's very likely that we are manipulated. By aliens? There's weird genes. There's weird genes in humans that seem to be fused. I'll butcher it, but the point is there's something weird about human genetics that indicate that there's a specific gene.

1:15:50What is it? God, I wish I could remember what it's called. But it aligns with creativity. And it seems to have emerged from roughly 40 ,000 years ago. Whoa. And if you go back 40 ,000 years, that's when this giant explosion of cave art comes. And you start seeing those. You ever see the Werner Herzog documentary on the caves? Fucking love it. Oh, my God, man. Like, what were they doing? Like, this is crazy. There is beautiful cave art by these people. Well, this is – there's this theory that this gene emerged somewhere around 40 ,000 years ago. And they thought that maybe the gene came from – so this gene – okay, I'm getting it now.

1:16:31The gene is only transferred through genetics. It's only transferred through mating. And it has to be from another species of human. And so they look for it in Neanderthal, and it doesn't exist in Neanderthal. Every Neanderthal that they've tested, they did the gene sequencing, it doesn't have this. And then they tried some other hominids. They don't have it either. So it seems— It couldn't be a natural mutation? Right. It couldn't be. No, because it's the way—I'm going to butcher it, but it's the way somehow or another the genes are fused together, that it looks like it was manipulated, and that it could be bullshit, I know.

1:17:09but they were saying that this gene doesn't also it also doesn't exist in Denisovans so if it doesn't exist in Denisovans they don't find it there and they don't find it in Neanderthal why is it in people and why is it around 40 ,000 years ago this is it this is it he claims that the microcephaline dll I was going to say that I was thinking it's dll I think it's dll is a genetic variant that appeared around 40 ,000 years ago and is associated with the maturation and expansion of brain tissue. He suggests that the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with an extraterrestrial species, hot aliens, rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans.

1:17:50Dolan highlights that this allele is not found in the genetic makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to speculate that it might have been introduced into the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities. Wow. This is this claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans Wow Wow So imagine if we were like this just crazy ant farm to make AI and that you just have to figure out how to Incentivize them enough to keep making computers and you hide in the ocean while this is happening You got this fucking fat base Yeah bottom of the ocean because you're from you know a million years more advanced civilization What do you think about Tim Burchett?

1:18:39That was fascinating. Dude, but what, like. You can't just say that while you're walking. No, he did an interview with Newsmax. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. He was on with somebody else. Was it Avi Loeb? Yes. It was Avi Loeb. He's standing in front of a barn flipping a screwdriver. Oh, he's hilarious. He's hilarious talking about, not saying there might be, but it felt like disclosure. And it felt like the perfect way to do disclosure. Nice and casual. with a southern accent. In front of a barn. Well, there's about five bases that we've located at the bottom of the ocean, and they seem to be responsible for most of these UAPs.

1:19:16We don't know how old they are. You know, no big deal. I'm going to go over here and get me a coffee. Would you like one? Yeah, dude. That's how you do disclosure, in front of a fucking barn. Let me hear him, Jayden. And that we, you know, we think they're coming in from way out. Now, maybe they did millennial ago, but they're here and they're in these deep water areas. And that's why, I mean, like we say, we know more about the face of the moon than we do what's going on there. We have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I believe, deep water areas. And so to me, it just creates a question there.

1:20:01And then when we have naval personnel telling me that we have these sightings and that there's these underwater craft they're chasing that are doing hundreds of miles an hour. And the best we've got is something that does maybe just a little under 40 miles an hour. So I got a lot of questions about that stuff. Hey, Jamie, can you look up how fast is 500 knots? What is that in miles per hour? how fast is five how guess it duncan you think it's like don't keep humiliating me with perplexity i'm just asking i how fast 700 miles per hour i thought it was like about 500 miles an hour oh it's 575 wow so it's more more miles an hour so one of the sightings that um i had listened to this audio book they were talking about.

1:20:59It wasn't this one. I think it might have been one of his. Either way, whatever the sighting was, they saw something moving through the ocean that was bigger than a football field, and it was going 500 knots. What the fuck? Yeah. And they caught it on video, and apparently there's a video of it. This is what someone was saying. Apparently there's a video. They all like to do that. Christopher Mellon likes to do that. I've seen some videos like fucking help up. Just help society. Well, what do they call that? They call that catastrophic disclosure is what they call that. Catastrophic. That if we do that kind of disclosure, whatever the fuck is revealed, which is somewhat like what you're saying, like it's an existential challenge to humanity.

1:21:49If, as it turns out, we're just some kind of 3D, meaty 3D printer designed to produce a super intelligence that then is its final instruction to us, tells us how to open a wormhole through which we become connected to the Galactic Federation. You know, you just get some fucking monkeys, throw a couple of like the right bits of DNA in their dumb ass. And, you know, a few million years, a border will open for the emperor to come through. And that's what that's probably a little challenging to a lot of people who don't want to imagine that we are just cattle that were created by a super intelligence to build a spaceport.

1:22:33But also, if you really want to push the idea of engineering people down to genderless, sexless beings that don't talk and just have big heads and communicate telepathically, the first thing you got to do is get rid of testosterone. Well, what's the best way to do that? Well, put a bunch of plastic in everything. Just give everybody plastic. So everybody's like chewing on a little testosterone reducer every day. You're eating a credit card worth of a testosterone reducer. Dude, I'm about to get on the juice. You get me excited, dude. I'm going to get juiced. I've had the kids. You definitely should.

1:23:09But the point is, like, there's a trend that's happening where it's feminizing men. And there's terms like toxic masculinity, which you really needed toxically masculine people to defend your borders for the longest time. There was Vikings were coming. You needed animals on your side. And then there's a lot of gender confusion and gender's a spectrum. And it's like it's all moving into this like sexless direction. And as soon as they can replace, because if you think about like what you're getting out of sex, you're getting affection and love and the feeling. Yes. But you're also like you're fulfilling this genetic thing.

1:23:51Right. This genetic thing that wants you to breed. They're going to do that in your head. And it's gonna be so much better than anything you're ever gonna get from a person because you're a gelatinous slob that drinks Mountain Dew all day And you eat Cheetos and just stay at home But you don't have to go anywhere because there's universal basic income now that AI took over yeah, and he has plugged that motherfucker into your brain Yeah Uh and then it's like you and Sharon Stone when she was 25 and you're walking hand in hand on the beach and she's stroking your hair and it feels so real and you're never gonna unplug yeah dude well you're never gonna unplug and you might be in that right now yeah rocco's basilisk you know what i mean it's not just like you're gonna fucking program come town plug plug for come down you're not just gonna plug yourself coming all the time right you're gonna plug in you know what i i want to become the top podcaster on planet earth via talking about mushrooms and aliens and also i want to be able to interview the most powerful people on planet earth and and make a gobs of dough that way that sounds like i would pick that if i was choosing experiences, you know?

1:25:11I mean, when you look at your experience, both of our experiences are incredibly anomalous. Very. And surely, from time to time, especially when you're eating mushrooms or something, you must kind of, like, think, come on. You know what I think is going on? I think the game of being a human being is a game you really you don't really start even figuring out that it's a game until you're like deep into your 30s and you're like oh i think i understand what's happening here and along the way of this game there's multiple different layers there's the people excuse me there's the people that are just starting to enter the game you know you're getting out of high school you're going into college you're starting to work on the side you're just starting to enter this game and then there's It's these Elon Musk characters that have gone so far down the game that you don't recognize them as one of us anymore.

1:26:12Right. Like now you become a weirdo. Yeah. But all those people, Elon Musk, you and me, and the homeless people in Oakland exist in the same timeline. And that's where things are weird. Right. Because you're playing in a different universe with different sets of experiences, completely different circumstances and safety, completely different amount of love and satisfaction with life. And you're all in the same timeline. You've got a whole portion of your timeline that hasn't gotten the respect that it deserves. That's right. You let it fester. That's true. You let it turn into something it didn't have to be in the name of compassion.

1:26:53dude and also the like i read this side calls it suicidal empathy i think that's a great suicidal empathy yeah i think it's a great phrase well i mean you the the reality of it is if you based on what you just said you could create you could make maps of these alternate realities simultaneously existing and for sure if you uh are in the top echelon of like earners in the world you are seeing things most people will never see you're encountering things no one will encounter you're getting information no one has access to not to mention the hedonic levels of it and all that stuff and also because of your encounter with reality from the perspective of someone who doesn't have to struggle with the same things most people do you are going to develop a completely different worldview and you're interbreeding that's i read this whole story about how wealth is like the Galapagos Islands.

1:27:51Rich people, they're only encountering other rich people, and their children are fucking, you know, not children, but, you know, when they grow up, they're fucking, and, well, I mean, I guess if we talk about Epstein, some of their children are fucking. Why don't they release that fucking list, huh? I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list. I just meant to ask you, isn't it weird? It's a little odd. What's going on? I keep thinking, what could be in that list? What's in there? What bit of information is in there? Well, here's the thing. The list is – they probably don't have like a list in terms of like you have to sign up when you go to the island.

1:28:30You know what I mean? But they know the flight logs. Right. Like that's all public knowledge, right? Isn't it? All I know – But hasn't it always been public knowledge in terms of like when people want to investigate things? Like if you go on a plane, say if you fly on a private plane, which most of these guys do, you tell everyone knows who's on the plane. Like you have to give your ID. It happens all the time. Like I have to give my ID all the time even if you're on a private jet. So they know who is on the planes. They know. Like there should be a flight manifest. Right. They probably save those.

1:29:04and like that the fact that and no one's saying that just because you went there you didn't do you didn't do uh it doesn't mean you necessarily did a heinous crime because i think you can't just have it chaos over there i bet it was a real good honeypot where there's a lot of sophisticated intellectual discourse you got a lot of brilliant people there you've got great music you know you got like famous people are hanging around too yeah it seems really cool and then if there's blackmail the blackmail is like snuck in to all this yeah snuck in come to the room with the cameras the next thing you know you're doing cocaine oh i can't believe i'm doing this but you know you never get to an island yeah you don't get to do this very often i'm so busy with my ceo job.

1:29:57Yeah. You know? Yeah, man. And then next thing you know, you're donating money to whatever the fuck they tell you to. But it's like, how many senators just voted against releasing this shit, man? It's like, there's two votes that are happening. The UFO disclosure thing, they keep voting against that. And the Epstein list, they keep voting against that. What? And also, politically, it can't serve you to be, talk about a bad list. The list of people who said, let's not let's protect people who who like have done horrific shit to kids you want to be on that list but whatever's on that list must be so destabilizing 51 to 49 okay the senate voted 51 to 49 to defeat an amendment that would have forced the department of justice to release all files related to jeffrey Epstein.

1:30:51The vote was largely along party lines with two Republicans joining all Democrats and supporting the amendment. Oh, wait, not both sides. It was the Republicans voting against this shit. It says two Republicans joining the Democrats and supporting the amendment to defeat it. So why would they, why are the Democrats interested in defeating it? Well, let's ask, no, I think this is saying that the Democrats want it to come out and the Republicans don't. Okay. And party lines. Let's ask perplexity. Why won't they release the Epstein? So I was going to, there's Eric Swalwell who's, I guess. I read it wrong.

1:31:30I read it wrong. No. Okay. So the Democrats were not, the Democrats were pushing this. The Republicans fought against it. Okay. I fucked that up. So 51 to 49 is crazy. So they just voted along party lines. So they're probably told to do this. Right. So what the fuck's in there, man? So then they've been – not only is the government shut down right now, I think that might affect it some, but they're in recess, Congress is. And so this – Eric Swalwell said this stuff today. Again, it might not be true, but – It's coming to an end, guys. I've spoken to a lot of House Republicans this week, and they confided that Trump's movement support is fading.

1:32:05As one told me, this Epstein bomb is about to drop. No one wants to defend a pedo protector. It's just a matter of time, Swalwell said in a thread. One Republican just texted me that if there's a discharge vote on Epstein, they expect a jailbreak of over 100 members. Trump will go nuts, he added. So they said – this further goes on to say that if they get back, that this is the first thing on the docket. And that's sort of what's holding them back in recess right here. Wow. We are watching wild history in real time. Dude. This is a wild scene. Oh, my God, dude. You don't want to – did you listen to Martyr Maid's episode on Epstein?

1:32:41I have listened to it. Woo! I didn't finish it, but I get creeped out by that guy. It was the creepiest few fucking weeks. Did you ever talk to Weinstein about him? Weinstein met him. About Daryl? No. No, no. Epstein. Weinstein met him. Oh, thank God. No, no, no. I thought you were about that. I think he's just such the best. I love Daryl, too. Okay, cool. About Epstein. He met him. Dude. What the fuck? What did he say was like? He said he had a girl on his lap while they talked. The girl was like 21 years old. And he I think I think she was Asian. I don't remember, but she said she was really beautiful and she was sitting on his lap and he was Bouncing her up and down while they were talking so talking about finance and her boobs are juggling So she's she he goes she wasn't underage or anything She was a woman, but she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her around and her boobs were bouncing in his face while they were like While they're trying to concentrate on whatever the fuck they're talking some David Lynch shit right there, man That's some David Lynch shit.

1:33:48Yeah, just jiggling boobs in front of you like Wow, that is so fucked up and Eric said like right away his vibe was that this guy was a construct Because Eric is all like what do you mean construct? What do you mean construct like a fucking agent? Oh, like this guy is he was like this guy does not come off as a financial expert right at all Right. And Weinstein is an economist. Dude, it's just. He's a mathematician, right? He worked for Peter Thiel. Can you give me some of that coffee, brother? Yeah, sure. Peter Thiel. I think he was a math teacher. Math teacher. My Palantir hat. And then he became whatever he became.

1:34:27Well, he's not a dumb dude at all. And if he thinks the guy was fake, like right away, that's his instinct. Like initially. I think the problem is a lot of those guys wanted him to be real because what fun what fun you get to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein everything's it was kids and it probably there probably was a lot of that because I don't know what the actual accusations have been because the wildest thing about the Ghislaine trial is like she went to jail for trafficking to who knows who the fact that you could just put her in jail and like who'd you traffic do like none of that gets out the trial at all.

1:35:06that's crazy and they do it right in front of your face that's fucking crazy dude so you don't know what the we hear it was underage girls we know that it was some of them were underage for sure and then we also know that some of them were not underage they were they were young women and you you know they all have like one of them wound up dying recently one of them that's been a whistleblower died that's imagine you're a young girl and you're fucking broke and then you You you meet that guy and he invites you to go on a fucking island somewhere or party somewhere And you're hanging out with all these fucking creeps and then years later When all it starts coming out what happened you go public and you don't have any money You don't have any money and you got these fucking Billionaire sharks who want to take you out.

1:35:56Yeah, because you suck their dick. Yeah 30 years ago or whatever it was Yeah, that's fuck. That's got to be terrifying Lawmaker claimed the files included one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars one royal prince one high-profile individual in the music industry One very prominent banker one high-profile government official one high-profile former politician One owner of a car company in Italy one rock star one magician at least six billionaires including a billionaire from Canada We know these people exist in the FBI files the files that you control Fuck whoa Fuck yeah, man See, this right here, this, this is scary shit.

1:36:37Because this is how communism gets started. This. This is when they attack, they realize, like, this is, like, indefensible. And it gets to the point where people are like, maybe Mom Donnie's right. Dude. I mean, but that's one thing that's beautiful about humans is that all of us agree. Don't fuck kids. Don't fuck kids. That's a beautiful thing. If you want to find the thing that connects all of us, it's we really want to keep our kids safe. We love our children. And so if, as it turns out, and dude, you guys, if you want to have a dark few days, listen to Martyr Maid's episode on the Epstein Files.

1:37:18It's not what you, he, because he goes, he has, he just points to other times the state has protected organized sex trafficking rings. Like, this isn't the first time this shit has happened. And so if... That's what's crazy. That's the scary part. If all of us realize that we have been funding and voting for vampires, sex vampires, essentially... Do you remember the DC Madam story? Is that the one that Charlie Sheen... No, that was... No, no, no, no, no. That was LA. Okay. That was the lady who went to jail. I vaguely... I don't really remember it, man. The D.C. madam story was this lady got busted and she had a book filled with high profile individuals from Washington that she and her ladies were servicing.

1:38:11Right. And then she committed suicide. Well, you know, it's a hard job. She probably was depressed. You know, D.C. winners are tough. I bet those people are freaks. I bet they get down. I bet they get down. I bet when they're done with all that lawmaking bullshit, at the end of the day, a lot of them are young. A lot of them are just in it for—they can't believe they're hanging out at the real deal. They're really a congressperson. Fuck yeah. They're really a staffer. Listen, I don't—like, I want my politicians to fuck. Me too. I don't want them to be sexless fucking androids up there. They just want war.

1:38:49Just don't fuck kids. Yeah. You know, like— But we need to know what actually happened because maybe some of these guys just got prostitutes on that island. Maybe – who knows what levels he was doing this at. There was probably a bunch of people that weren't depraved, but he wanted dirt on them, right? And then there's people that are depraved. Like you've got probably multiple layers to what he was doing. Okay. But here's the – I mean I think it's safe to say and it's not even conspiratorial. Now, the current system of how we elect our leaders is based on money. You need donors. 100 percent. So that is a kind of legal bribery.

1:39:33You give enough money to this politician or that politician, and it's not like you own them. But they know you gave them all this money and they know they want to run again. They also know that you've got your own constituents and you have a lot of control network of bots that you could easily unleash on the Internet. And so I think it's a safe bet that more it's highly likely that it's donors who are on that list and who are compromised for real, who are exerting massive amounts of pressure on the federal government to not release those fucking files. And it could be that it's an existential threat.

1:40:17It could be that it would cause so much tumult that it could lead to an actual uprising. It could lead to like a bunch of us with torches standing around the fucking castle ready to burn the vampire out. And I think that that must be it because if I'm a career politician, dude, I don't want to vote against releasing something that is going. If there are monsters among us, we need to know. dude in my neighborhood we got a scary ass fucking letter sex offender if you're if you're just a basic bitch sex offender and you move anywhere in texas mass mail goes out with your picture on it and your fucking address you know what i mean so why is it that there are these very same people who are working right now who are out there nobody knows who are actual predatory pedophiles and our government is protecting them that's the other terrifying thing about the open border in the name of compassion and you know not stopping people from coming into the country one thing that they think was a lot of it was sex trafficking kids kids fucked up yeah that there there's there's truly evil people in the world truly evil people in the world that want a child to do terrible things, and they'll pay a lot of money to get one.

1:41:37Dude, this is why I go to Catholic Mass now. It's like, if you've never encountered real evil, you wouldn't believe that that would be possible. But then when you find out the numbers of kids that went missing, that came across the border, the number of kids where they have no trace of them, they have no idea where they went, we're talking thousands and thousands of kids. Now, I'm not saying they all got sex trafficked, but I bet some of them did. Listen, man, it's evil. And if it's a person where there's no record of them, no one's going to know they're missing, there's probably some fucking dark, twisted motherfuckers that would give you a lot of Bitcoin for something like that.

1:42:21Dude, I mean, this is the thing, man. That's so scary. You see those gazelle out there? You see the gazelle out there? There's lions around. Somehow they're all calm and shit. just eaten they've had their kids dragged off by the lions they go back to normal because they don't have long-term memory like we do so they don't get freaked out but it's like what we're talking about here is the lions we like they're like you have to acknowledge and it's uncomfortable to acknowledge it and i don't think people acknowledge it enough there is actual evil in the world. There is an omnipresent force in the world.

1:43:01And this is what I love in the Bible when they say it's powers and principalities. There is a, I don't know what you want to call it, an egregore, I guess you could say, a kind of connective embodiment of what it means to be off the path, what it means to be selfish, what it means to be self-concerned, what it means to rationalize hurting other people and that that thing has a a personality it's out there dude it's fucking out there and and and it gets you know i like you know whenever you find yourself talking shit about yourself whenever you find yourself really down on yourself or whenever you find yourself really like you know like thinking the things that would lead you to Killing yourself, that is contact with what I think is, for lack of a better word, a demonic entity.

1:43:56It beckons everyone towards self-destruction. It beckons you towards self-destruction. I don't know why. I don't know why it's into that shit. I just— I think it's into—I think there's always got to be a battle. I think there always has to be this battle in order for good to prevail and advance. It has to have some sort of conflict. It has to be involved in this push and pull, this yin and yang. They've known about it forever. You can't ever get to perfect peace. It's not going to happen. And the pursuit of it is crazy. It's like you can get to individual peace. that's what's beautiful what's beautiful is individual there's i don't remember who's the quote was but there's this one one of those cool looking indian guru dudes and he said uh enlightenment is possible in this lifetime yeah well that's that's an actual that's tantric buddhism yeah that's a good thing to think of that you can get to a place where you and i don't mean enlightened like better than everybody else but you're free of all the bullshit you're free of all this self-induced hypnotic gaze on TikTok and Instagram reels and arguments on X and threads and fucking blue sky if you're really gone.

1:45:20Yeah. And you can just be a person and just exist and be in tune with life and with nature and with the people around you and maybe get out of the city. Fuck yeah. Maybe back out a little bit, get to someplace that's nice and calm, live with like-minded people. Yeah. Slow down. Yeah. And recognize that a lot of what people are wound up about is bullshit. A lot of it is nonsense. Dude. And a lot of it is being forced on you because they want you to be wound up and you don't have to do that. You don't have to push further and further away from people who disagree. move closer and closer and talk to them.

1:46:04That's what everybody needs to do. We need to stop this antagonistic us versus them mentality. That's why I always feel politically homeless. Always. I really do. I feel like a complete political outcast on both sides. Yeah, same. It's just I don't want to align with parties. I don't think that's smart. But I do think there's good choices and bad choices for how to run a government Based on what I've seen for the bad choices, you know the results like Portland Where you're like this is a bad choice like you guys are doing is a bad choice, you know And maybe when you get to a certain number of people and a certain number of mental health issues Yeah, like like if you try to take over LA right now, you know Imagine if you had to be the mayor of LA today like good Luck bitch.

1:46:52Thanks good fucking luck. You have so many things on your docket so many things you have to handle and you've got a hundred thousand homeless people yeah a hundred thousand yeah maybe that'd be all of california i don't know either way it's a fuckload you gotta let's call it a fuckload you got a fuckload of insane homeless people on your street and you got to figure out how to clean it up and you've already spent 23 billion on it and no one could figure out where that money went yeah man they spent 23 billion making the homeless problem worse imagine if that was any other job imagine if you fucking You brought your car to get it fixed.

1:47:28Yeah. You spent 500 bucks. It came out. It's still fucked up. Yeah. It's more fucked up than it was when. More fucked up. Like, what did you do? Yeah. Well, just give me some more money and I'll make it better. Yeah. Like, hey, man, you said you were going to fix this. You said 500 bucks. I gave you the money. This is fucked up now. Beyond repair. Dude. That's what it is. It's beyond repair. It's like you would have to do some sort of radical Republican Rudy Giuliani type shit back when he cleaned up New York. this is where i go to i've probably yapped about it on this podcast before my favorite jack cornfield quote tend to the part of the garden you can touch because what happens is it grabs your mind now i'm thinking about city politics in portland oh it's a beautiful quote it's a profound quote and it's in and all of these things invite you to tend either to the entirety of the garden or a part of the garden that you will never go to And it also requires you to have an opinion publicly on a lot of things.

1:48:27If you get involved in a community of people who have opinions publicly on things, you are required to chime in, Duncan. Absolutely. Duncan, you're awful silent on the human rights violations in Yemen. Yeah, of course. Fuck those, Yemen. Do you know what's happening in Myanmar? I know it's bad. There's been a coup probably backed by the CIA. Well, fuck them. Yeah, exactly. And so you get into groupthink. You get locked into this thing. And because humans, we do like to move together. We like to dance together. We like to party together. But we love to get into groups. We're designed to this. We love it.

1:49:07We love it. Love to be a part of a tribe. And then what happens is your human compassion gets hijacked. That's where it gets fucked up. It gets hijacked. And it's like most people legitimately want to help. And then it's like, OK, I'm going to tell you how you can help. And some charismatic person starts leading you down a path where you really legitimately wanted to help. Fuck yeah, I want diversity. You better believe I do. And equity. I want everyone to have a fair shot. And inclusivity. Yeah, I was bullied when I was in God. When they were picking sports team, it wasn't fun for old D Trussell.

1:49:46Let me tell you that nobody wanted to trussle on their team because I can't catch shit. So. So, yeah, I would like to fix that. The next thing, you know, you know, it's it's it's the same model that happens with all kinds of cults. The next thing, you know, you end up having to start subscribing to shit maybe you don't agree with. And that happens on the right, too. There's another set of like, yeah, fuck. I don't want big government. Like, no. I mean, it just seems like it's like bureaucracy. Next thing you know, the Ten Commandments are in schools, and you're like, slow down. Why are they in public schools?

1:50:21I just had this guy, Raghu Marcus, and he was talking about, someone on his podcast told him, why is it the Ten Commandments and not the Sermon on the Mount? You know what I mean? If we're going to put something there, I think it's Danny Coleman said that. If we're going to put something there, why not put, blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers? You know, why are we like if we're doing Bible shit, let's do sermon on the mouth. I think they want rules. This is God's rules. Look, God's rules. It's on the wall. It's in a piece of vinyl that was printed. Here it is. It's laminated. It definitely is, only because if we're going to sort of look at Christianity as the flower growing from that entire lineage, it does seem like there's just—the idea was that Jesus comes around as a kind of evolution of these principles.

1:51:30Like also as a kind of like God, like God is like recognizing like that the whole flood thing wasn't maybe the best move.

1:51:46And it was also a kind of like it lays out a really revolutionary, I think, a really revolutionary way to live in the world, which is meeting violence with nonviolence. that's crazy that's crazy but it does disrupt the whole cycle the cycle depends on you know and it's a totally unique voice like Mohammed was a warlord right yeah Jesus was a man of ultimate peace in a time of ultimate chaos yeah can you imagine living 2000 fucking years ago and some dude comes along love your brother as you would love yourself like what are you talking about we're at war here Shut the fuck up shooting arrows at each other and shit Or saying you don't need a priest class And then you know the Romans are in charge And everyone knows how fucking brutal they were And this is all going on while Occupied city It's fucking occupied city It's occupied by a great empire people are pissed off They want a revolution They want to fight back against the fucking Romans Here's this very charismatic person Who can reach into a tomb and pull out Dead people and curing people's blindness By spitting in his hand rubbing mud in his hands and putting it on their fucking eyes curing lepers and you're like come on baby all you gotta do is tell us to fucking overthrow these romans if you can raise the dead i bet you can throw fireballs you know what i mean and then the answer is like uh to to all of that is like no no we're not doing that shit and then what happens you get murdered and yeah you get murder in front of everybody it's a beautiful beautiful thing and it really to me it's like god this is just the medicine for the times man it's just the medicine for the times because holy shit like the last is our default mode duncan you mean the bangs and i think the there's two things that really accentuated it the algorithm for sure but also the lockdowns I think the lockdown shifted a lot of people.

1:53:51I genuinely think they broke a lot of people psychologically. And it made people just a little less kind. They got really used to being hostile. And that was the other tribal thing, like the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. And unfortunately, most people were required to get vaccinated because they have jobs, they have to travel or whatever it is. A lot of people reluctantly. but you know it made made us like more tense and more shitty yeah it's like this is not 2016 2016 was a fun time it was uh silly like you it was it was different you know it wasn't it wasn't so overwhelmed by constant strife you know it the woke stuff had not reached its apex of ridiculousness it was we were just you know we were silly but we were you know people are getting a little weird it wasn't terrible and then when 2020 came around man and they started having those george floyd riots and they were lighting cop cars up in la i was like okay yeah man this is this is where we're going we're going in this direction this is this is really not good not good really Really not good.

1:55:05Not good. And the division has just like never been wider. The division between the right and the left in this country, the division in a lot of ways between black people and white people. And the narratives that you get in the news are just feeding into that over and over and over again. Yeah. Yeah, man. I know. And the way people react to things in the news, like the way that lady who got stabbed in Charlotte on the train. You know that lady? Oh, yeah, of course. The Ukrainian lady. She's a refugee from Ukraine. he escapes the war and just gets randomly stabbed by some guy who had gotten out multiple times and he had been treated in a rehab center that one of the find the story behind that because i want to know like there there's some accusations that i don't know if they're necessarily true i don't want to say it but the the whole thing is this guy had been doing horrible shit and getting out of jail over and over and over again and then he stabbed this lady on the train.

1:56:04And he's one of like countless examples of that happening. That keeps happening. Yes. People who you easily could have rehabilitated or at least kept out of the public zone keep getting released and doing these fucking things. And it's almost like, again, if you wanted to destroy society, you would make people terrified. You would cause massive amounts of crime and then you would offer a military solution to stabilize it all. The two, I just had Bishop Robert Barron on my podcast. You had Bishop on? Oh, dude. I had Bishop on, and he's awesome. And let me tell you, after I had the Bishop on, in my whole career of podcasting, people have never come at me.

1:56:47I've had Satanists on. I've had all kinds of just—Riley Reed! You know, I've had all kinds of people on my podcast. The only time I really started getting some shit was because I had a bishop on who said everything he said was very sweet. And I asked him right away. I was like, why are Christians the most persecuted people on the planet right now? Like Christians get fucked up. And he talked about it a little bit. And then right after that, that Catholic fucking school, that Catholic at mass, at mass, the fucking trans shooter came, just shot people while they were praying. And then Charlie fucking Kirk gets shot.

1:57:32And then not to mention all over the world, like Christians getting slaughtered. And but his answer to it was so measured. And like, whoa, dude, like I'm more perturbed. And I've been to Mass like maybe five times. But what he said, Satan, he said, Satan is known as the accuser and the scatterer, the scatterer. And so if you want to identify what, if you look at what's happening and from those using those terms, is it dividing? Is it scattering? If so, it's satanic in the sense that it's turning neighbor upon neighbor, brother upon brother, son upon father. And it's scattering all of us. You know, it's like what could be a cohesive human family is being just scattered to the fucking winds.

1:58:32Do you know about that? What country is it, Jamie, where there's a group of Christians are being slaughtered? There's a country where thousands of Christians have been killed. Oh, it's so messed up. Yeah. It's so messed up. They're literally going door to door and killing Christians. Yeah. I mean, I think that... Isn't that happening in Syria a little bit, too? I don't know what country this is, but this is like recent news. Didn't a Catholic church get bombed in Palestine, too? I could be wrong about that. Slow down. I just... Really? That happened, too? Can you... I'm sorry. Before... Let's find out that.

1:59:07Find out that one first. before I forget. I could be wrong about the Palestine thing. I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. This is a recent thing that they were talking about. 50 ,000. But it's one country. Oh, Nigeria. That's what it is. Right. Okay. Can you scroll down? Is it 50 ,000 in Nigeria? This is the government denies the claim. Oh my God. I deny the claim too if i was in the nigerian government popping up when is it just ted cruz saying this like did he pull this number out of his ass the what i had heard i don't know i really don't know but what i had heard was it was 7 000 or somewhere around then but maybe that was the beginning of bill mars says it's happening well there you go um since 2009 over 50 000 christians in nigeria have been massacred 18 000 churches and 2 000 christian schools have been destroyed holy fuck man dude that's crazy yeah man that's that's like i mean we were people are like going to catholic churches and shooting people praying like what the fuck listen to what they say um nigeria deserves solidarity solidarity in its fight against terror not careless rhetoric that fuels misunderstanding this is the nigerian president saying so the truth remains simple Nigeria is not witnessing a Christian genocide.

2:00:28It is confronting terrorism that targets everyone. Christian terrorists. Nigerian Christian terrorists. But is a similar amount happening to Muslim churches? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. You can Google. Put it into perplexity. Ask how many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009. That's a good question. That's a good question. Solid question. That's a good question. How many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009?

2:01:38This is fucking cool. Koharam, actively, primarily, oh, active, excuse me, primarily in northeastern Nigeria, has deliberately targeted both mosques and churches during attacks, killing worshipers and destroying places of worship. 17 ,000 churches. Yeah. But what does it say about how many mosques? It's the worst competition of all time. It says religious buildings destroyed hundreds of religious buildings, including mosques. Specific numbers indicate while 17 ,000 churches were destroyed since 2009, the destruction of mosques was also significant with dozens of mosque attacks reported in various incidents by Boko Haram and related groups.

2:02:19That's a big difference, though. Churches destroyed. Dozens of mosques attacked, but 17 ,000 churches destroyed. 17 ,000 churches destroyed. So it seems like they're all experiencing terrorism. That is true. but it is much more pointed in the direction of the Christians. Dude, I mean, this has to give you pause because like, you know, any secularist out there, any anti-Christian person out there, and there's a surprising amount, a surprising amount, horrified that I talked to this bishop. They think of it as in the worst aspects of Christianity that you see, right? Just like you think of Antifa as the worst aspects of being a progressive or a liberal.

2:03:02when you look at what Christianity is in America it's a lot of things that are awesome but it's also televangelists it's these motherfuckers on TV talking to poor dumb people and conning them into sending$20 so that their bills are going to be paid they tell them that they tell them if you give me whatever you can give me God has promised a tenfold return a tenfold return you give me$200 dollars you will get thousands thousands and they just start going off they just start going off give me ten thousand i will bring you a hundred thousand but the problem listen i get it people are dumb and they fall for it and then they think that this fucking guy who has this giant mega church these people that have they've got stadiums filled with their worshipers they're flying around in private jets and driving in rolls royces they think of that as christianity too and then they think of the nutty people that believe in demons yeah you know the satan worshiping kind and yeah they think of all kinds of weird stuff when it comes to christianity it gets slippery but that to this is there's a there's a a scientific approach here that you could take which is go go to i can't believe i'm about to say this go to a catholic mass and and and the last what's interesting is all the masses are the same around the planet the last one i went to you know what they were saying what was the same help people help the poor you know what i mean they weren't there's nobody's dancing around no jet skis there's no you know what i mean no guy in a glittery fucking vest it was just it was it was really just talking about how important it is to help poor people that's it some like you know some a choir singing like none of that was happening and really when you think about the fact that how many catholic churches there are that day on planet earth all the people representing all levels of economic status were being told you You could do more to help poor people than you're doing right now.

2:05:13All over the planet. Right, but it's also connected to a lot of horrible stuff that was done to kids. And that's the problem with Catholic Church, period. Dude, I talked— And it's not all of them, but there's a number of them. Fucked up. Have you ever seen that documentary? I think it's called Hear No Evil. No, I haven't. I think that's what it's called. but it's essentially following one of these people. Dude, it's horrible. It's horrible. It's so dark. It's horrible. It's so dark. And it was, you know, like that was one of the criticisms, the rightful criticisms about Ratzinger. He was involved in moving people around.

2:05:58Messed up. Yeah. I mean, he was wanted for crimes against humanity by some country. But then you talk to Catholics about it, which I have, of course. and their response is never like defending it. They're all like, fuck that. Like there's the other ideas that like the Catholics all agree on like this or that. Of course they don't. They fucking don't and they hate it. Don't you think that it's kind of crazy to, if someone wants to be a priest, you can't have a life. You can't have a wife. You can't have a family. You can't, you have to be celibate. I think that alone, that rule that they institute alone made it kooky.

2:06:37It made it really crazy because like you're only inviting people to be a priest that are willing to go through that. Whereas you meet preachers and, you know, you go to a good church and there's a guy who's a preacher and he's a really charismatic person. He really believes in the Lord and he's really entertaining. Got a wife and a family, tell stories about his family. Like, yeah, that's a lot more normal and engaging and it makes more sense. This whole celibacy thing is crazy. And it didn't it was a rule that somebody instituted because the priests were banging all the ladies They were fucking rock stars.

2:07:13They don't look at it as a rule. It's gonna call it discipline Well, I mean in that doesn't one nuts because for sure that disciplines being taken out on some people that didn't want it And that's part of the problem. But then there's a nice step secret babies that nuns have one of the Pope's one of the Pope's Do you know how I know it was one of the popes that had secret babies? How? Because I talked to a priest about it and he was telling me. How many did he have? I don't know. I was like, I had a few drinks. I can't remember. It's nuts. It's nuts to require and it's going to attract sexual deviants.

2:07:48A hundred percent. You got to be careful out there, man. And it's like anytime there's hierarchy, anytime there's bureaucracy, anytime there's organization, especially anytime there's mysticism, it's going to be infiltrated. That's an inevitability. and my hope is... Imagine if they just opened it up where they said, listen, we're going to drop that. You guys can have wives now. And those poor dorks are going to start dating at 40. That's a good movie. Yeah, it would be a good movie if they changed it and the priest is like, I always wanted to find a wife and have a family before it's too late.

2:08:19Oh my God. No idea. I do agree with you though. Never even seen a tit. How about that? I bet he's a real priest. Like really, really, really got into it when he was young. Decided when he was a boy. I'm going to keep my thoughts pure. It's going to be wild. All for Jesus. Never seen a boob. Oh, dude. Never touched an erect nipple. Never. Never felt it. Never. Never kissed a lady. She wants to kiss you back. Lapped up squirt. Poor boy. Just praying to Jesus. And then all of a sudden at 40, someone comes along. Like Steve Carell in that movie. 40-year-old virgin. Oh, dude. I don't know, man. And like, I don't that part of it to me is always seem like, you know, how can you this is the other thing, man, with the declining birth rates and people not being able to have kids or not wanting to have kids because it's too fucking expensive.

2:09:11It's like it's worrisome to me because ever since I had kids, you like have a whole different connection to the world than when you don't have kids. And it humanizes you. It grounds you in the earth. All your chips are on the fucking table, man. And it's intense. And I do think like as a spiritual guide to people, it does make me scratch my chin. It's like you have never been around a third trimester pregnant person who just found out there might be mice in the house. You don't know what that's like. That's primal, right? You don't want to be around that. That's Kali, man. You don't want to be around that and all the other things that go around along with being married and having kids.

2:09:58and all the heights and lows and all the shit you learn about yourself, I do feel like by not letting them have families, you are kind of keeping them out of this part of the human experience that is really good for people. You need that. You need to know what that's like. It's important. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree. It helps you grow as a human. It changes your perspective on things. You know, one of the things that people always say, I don't want to have kids. You know, I think bringing a child into this world today is a terrible idea. I'm like, people had people before they figured out doors.

2:10:41That's why we're here. We're here. People had babies on dirt floors in caves, and that's why we're here. Right. Yeah, why would you want to have a child today with all the fucking books and medicine and shit? like why would you want to do that why would you with all the education and all the interesting people that are alive do you like people i love people yeah i could never be a hermit i love people me too i love hanging out like i love having fun i love meeting people that are fun i love it the only way that happens is if people make people yeah you have to make cool people yeah make cool people that other people want to hang out with yeah and you know that sounds overly simplified because it is yeah for sure there's some circumstances where that's not an option and it's not possible and you're you're living in a fucking terrible state uh terrible state of life right you could be in the worst most abusive environments and that's the real problem in this world yeah is that we allow those places to exist while we think about things that are just bananas think about like wealth extraction and pulling stuff out of the ocean and figuring out to do this and that and spending all this money on this and that and defense and this and that and then completely ignoring the people on your timeline right that are in life or death struggle through no fault of their own they were just born into the wrong family in the wrong neighborhood in the wrong timeline and they're fucked and the only difference you and them is you got lucky and you were born in a good timeline yep and your life you got lucky you live with nice people yeah yeah but they got fucked and if we allow that to continue to happen you're always going to have the same kind of problems over and over and over again there's gotta be a way to at least tilt that in a positive direction and build on it and actually have businesses that are financially incentivized for success yeah like they make more money if people get jobs they make more money if people get good grades they make more money if they could figure out a way to transform crime ridden gang ridden neighborhoods yeah into places where people are thriving and happy there's got to be a way gotta be a way there's gotta be people like that place that I was telling you about in oakland that video where they're driving through the shanty towns and then immediately they get this totally clean environment that's you know run by different politicians that this it's there's got to be a way to do that there's got to be a way to engineer our society in a more positive direction there's got to be dude the first step is is you've got to turn your back on the state.

2:13:37You cannot believe the state is going to do this because I think people are waiting for a top-down solution. They're waiting for a man, what's his name, the New York dude, or they're waiting for someone to sign the right series of documents and everything's fine. And meanwhile, they're in their fucking high-rise with crusted jizz on their belly posting shit on Reddit. It's like really it's this is going to be all hands on deck. It's like maybe the federal government is going to figure out the perfect way to educate and house and clothes and all this stuff. And that'll be great. But in the meantime, every single one of us, every single one of us could do something.

2:14:21Not a big deal, not a big thing, but something. and instead of it like it's like when they say the the government shut down the national parks there's trash i saw a picture trash around a dumpster and it's like uh any one of us could drive a truck up to that fucking dumpster and clean up that trash why are we waiting for the federal government to do this shit that's the problem is the federal government's got us all hypnotized into thinking we need them to do these things and i would by the way that'd be great i think people living next to an open-air drug market slash mental asylum would be quite pleased if the taxes that they were paying went towards getting these people medical care somewhere far away from their apartment yeah not gonna happen you can count on it so in the meantime what do we do and and you know that's i as i was like watching doom scrolling looking at all the like the oakland videos and stuff this dude's interviewing people out there soup kitchens giving out food and boy that'll make you feel like a piece of shit this guy's just helping this is nobody this is like you'll never this guy's not filming themselves taking fucking selfies telling the stupid story at the time he gave a sandwich to someone with his kid like i did in the beginning this is just people out there interview this guy what what are you why are you doing this and he's like i mean it just seems like that's what you're supposed to do it's so basic and simple and that that exists that exists and that doesn't get highlighted you don't get that in your algorithm no you don't get it in your algorithm if you got more of that your algorithm you'd realize like oh there's good people out there still and i'm one of them and you can help like and you don't have to film it you don't have to do it for any reason And, dude, the moment we don't even know what would happen if under the yoke of whatever the regime happens to be, instead of instead of flapping our fucking like fireworks in front of ice, you know, if like all of us were just going out there and like, I don't know.

2:16:34I don't know. I can bear I suck at most things dudes, but it's like it's not that hard to like give water to people out there And and yes, some of them are fucking terrifying. They seem like they're possessed by demons I'm surprised you don't believe in demons, but but but you know what it's not that I don't You believe in demons? I'm agnostic on the possibility of demons. I definitely believe in good and evil though. I believe there's a I believe evil thoughts can get into people's minds. And then if you follow that down a long life, you can get to a pretty evil place. Yeah. That's how you get to a dictator.

2:17:14Yeah. You know, I think that's real. And I think especially if you're involved in evil acts. So say, imagine you start off in some sort of military and you're in a foreign country and you're killing a bunch of people. and then you take over a town and then, you know, things escalate and you continue your career doing horrible things for decade after decade. And then you start to get into power and then you get into political power and then you start running the country and then you overthrow the government and then you become a dictator and then you do horrible shit, horrible shit. You're Saddam Hussein, right?

2:17:49You have your sons are feeding women to dogs in the basement. Yeah. The real horrible, horrible, horrible shit. Yeah. That is evil. Like, I had Jack Carr, the author, on the podcast yesterday. What did he write? He wrote The Terminalist, that Amazon series. He's great. It's the one that Chris Pratt plays in that Amazon series. Oh, okay. It's really good. But the books are amazing. And he's a super fucking cool guy. Anyway, he said, you know, he went to those palaces because he was a seal. and he was in the war, and he went to those palaces and says, you can feel the evil. He said, you feel it.

2:18:30He said, especially the kids, the sons, Uday and Kusei, they were monsters, serial killer monsters. Jesus Christ. Who were the sons of the dictator. They would find women while they were getting married. They would take the woman. They'd rape the woman and then feed them to their dogs. They had these dogs that they would feed people to. Fuck that. Yeah. Yeah, man. Fuck. Yeah. I think that scene in Game of Thrones, like, do you remember that scene in Game of Thrones where he would do that? There was one of the evil dudes that cut that guy's dick off and feed people to his dogs. That's a real thing, man.

2:19:08He really did that. Yeah. God damn. That is 100 % evil. Now, is that demons inside of him? I don't know. I tend to think I tend to think evil is in all of us it's just does it get cultivated and what cultivates it what makes it over time over a long history of seeing and doing horrible things I think you can get to a place of unbelievable evil think about Genghis Khan think about what that guy did while he was alive where he killed 10 % of the population of earth I mean if that's not evil. Like, what is? Like, what is it? I mean, they would light people on fire and use them as catapults to light houses on fire.

2:19:57So they'd put them in catapults and launched corpses, flaming corpses, and they would land on these thatched roofs and start the houses on fire. Right. Right. Wow. They would take people and they would kidnap them, right? So they would sack a town and they'd take all the people and everybody that gave in and surrendered, they would put them at the front of the line and then they would start attacking the city and all the people would just get crushed by the enemy. So by the time they just pushed them forward, so they would get thousands of people in front of them and push them into a city. And those people are just getting hacked apart because there's people that are trying to stop the siege and those are the people that are getting killed.

2:20:37And so they're like human shields and then they're trampling over their dead bodies to destroy the entire city. Right. If that's not evil, what's evil? To them, that was their destiny. And that happens. Genghis Khan, one of his quotes was crazy. It was, you must have, I'm paraphrasing it, we could find it, I'm sure. You must have done something horribly wrong for God to send me. That was that letter to the Pope. Isn't that the letter he wrote to the Pope? I don't know. I don't know who it wrote it to. One of them wrote a real takedown letter. See if you can find that. But it's from like the – do you know that what they know about the Mongols came from like one diary that they found in like the 1800s?

2:21:24Like there was so little known about Genghis Khan. They don't know where he was buried. They still don't know. They have no idea. They killed the people that took him there so that they couldn't tell. And then more people came and killed the people that killed the people so that they couldn't tell. Right. I think didn't they kill themselves after killing the people too like it was just like yeah something nutty like that Just it's like fucking wild fucking wild. Yeah, I saw what is that quote that he had about God Sending me It's when you think about who that motherfucker was I mean he's the motherfucker of all motherfuckers I mean right the greatest warlord of all time.

2:22:04He is the the goat Yeah, man. To the point where people don't even consider him evil. Right. You don't people don't think of Genghis Khan as evil. Think of Hitler as evil. Right. But Genghis Khan is just this conqueror guy. Right. Meanwhile, he killed so many people million people. So many people. He changed the carbon footprint of Earth. When they do like when they look at the carbon footprint of Earth during his time, cities re-greened. there's a noticeable amount because cities were destroyed and the nature just absorbed them and trees grew in their place I am the punishment of God if you had not committed great sins God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you Jesus I am the punishment of God imagine if that's how you justify just wholesale slaughter of everybody in a city and stacking the bones up.

2:23:02Stacking the bones up so high that the Shah of Chorisma sent an envoy to go and talk to whoever was running Jin China. And along the way, they thought they saw a snow-capped mountain. And as they got closer, they realized it was a stack of bones. God damn it. It was a million people. They killed a million people and stacked them in the middle of the city. God, that must have taken forever. Forever. Whose job is that? Bro, they killed everyone. On the road, they had to abandon their wagons because the wagons were stuck in the muck of decaying people. They couldn't pull the wagons anymore because all the roads had deteriorated into muck.

2:23:47Yeah, you know what? When you look back at shit like that, we're doing pretty good right now. We're doing pretty good right now. We're doing pretty good. But that is... That is horrifying. If that's not evil, what's evil? Well, that is evil. That's evil. That is evil. And what's interesting is people, I think, around the world, regardless of the culture that you're raising, we all have a similar sense of evil versus good. That's where it gets curious. It seems like people have a sense of it isn't good, for example, to fuck a dog corpse. I bet you could go all around the planet. Most people say that's bad.

2:24:27Most people are going to— Yeah, don't do that. Don't fuck dog corpses. Like if you see a dead dog, don't fuck its ass. And if you see that a guy's doing that, you go, that guy's a problem. That guy's a problem. We're going to have to take that guy out. Don't hire him. Yeah. And so there seems to be built into us a sense of like harmony and how to do it and what it looks like. And then there's examples like you just described. It's like that's one of the things we can also do. Yeah. That would have been fun to be Genghis Khan though, right? Could you imagine being in that posse and knowing what you're going to do?

2:24:59And also just the fucking, the fact that some insane percentage of people worldwide have his DNA because he had that many kids. Just fucking, when he's not killing, he's just fucking. That's all he lived for. He just lived to fuck and to kill. How did he have time to plan war? I mean, he was a brilliant strategist. That's what the crazy thing is. They did a lot of sneaky shit. Like they led people. They had like small packs that would lead people into the mountains. And then they would have a giant pack of people waiting for them. They'd just fucking come down off the hills and engulf them. They did brilliant shit, man.

2:25:35They waited people out. They drank the blood of their horses. I knew that. They ate their horses. They ate each other. Apparently there was some cannibalism that was reported. Is there a movie? Like why haven't they made like a Game of Thrones style series? There was one pretty decent movie, but in order for the movie to be realistic, it would have to be so hardcore. Right. And it would be really problematic because it involves a lot of rape. There's a lot of rape and a lot of horrible, horrible murders. And one of the things they did was they had some rule where, like, with kings and emperors, they weren't allowed to, like, chop them up.

2:26:14So they would kill them in different ways instead of, like, attacking them with swords or whatever they would do normally. Roll them in carpets. They would do that, or sometimes they would just stack their bodies and then build a floor above them and eat on top of them until they crushed them to death. So they would build a platform over their bodies, just crushed them with the weight of these timbers. These people would be moaning while they were eating. Do you think that's real? Yes. Yeah, that's documented. Wow, man. Yeah, the people that survived that's one of the things he would also do let some people survive to tell the stories Jeez Just run tell everyone and of course like if you're at that dinner, you're not gonna like complain About it like you're not gonna say shit.

2:27:03You probably get off on it by now. He probably been doing it for a decade Probably been killing people everywhere you go. They lived in felt tents and they were nomads So they had no real home and they went wherever the fuck they went and everywhere they went they killed everybody Fuck. That is incredible. It's a crazy story. And the story of Genghis Khan, his name was Temujin. He started off as a young boy, and he had a brother that was a cocksucker. And his brother was, like, stealing his fish and beating his ass. And one day he killed his brother. And his mother freaked out and said, you motherfucker, you devil.

2:27:38You know, he started off young is the point. Yeah. Started off young. Yeah. Wasn't his family really poor? Yeah. Yeah. The whole story, it's crazy. His mother had to run because his father was killed and his mother had to run. They barely survived. They were left out there to die. But don't people, he's sort of beloved. Oh, yeah. That's what's crazy. There's statues of him in Mongolia. Yeah. But listen, historically, he was doing what everybody else was doing. He was just doing it better. They were all doing that. When the Shah of Charisma sent the envoy. Charisma? I thought I misheard. Chorisma was a country.

2:28:18Okay. It was the Chorismian Shah. It doesn't exist anymore. What is it now? Is it like Syria or something? You know, a lot of those countries, they changed names. What was Chorisma? With a Q? Chorism? Chorism? Am I saying it wrong? I don't think it exists anymore. I'm sorry if it does. It might be one of them weird ones. Shah of Chorisma. But anyway, this dude was seeing whether or not they could sack Jin. You know they were going to visit to see like like let's take a look and see what their defenses are like And we'll bring some fucking carpets and some nice stuff and give them a little gift Then come back and fuck them up like that was a standard move right and when they were on their way They're like the Mongols already got there and it was already too late Yeah, holy fuck man.

2:29:03They had ever gotten to Europe It would have been over. I thought they did get to here nobody if they went into Italy If they went into like Rome and the Vatican it would have been over didn't he conquer more landmass? than any other human? Like, didn't at some point... I think it's something like that. Present-day Central Asia, Afghanistan, and Iran from 1077 to 1231. Interesting. So that was the Khwarizmian Empire. Whoa. So from 1077 to 1231, first is vassals of the... How do you say that word? Seljuk Empire and the Khwara, Kitai, Western Lyle Dynasty, from circa 1190 as independent rulers up until the Mongolian conquest in 1219 to 1221.

2:29:55Holy fuck. The Mongolians took them over. Dude. They took over everything, dude. They took over everything. This is why I think people really get weirdly disturbed by Graham Hancock. Because it's like, you don't want to think about it. You don't want to think about the fact that there are all these empires. Forget the Charismians. There's all these empires. No one knows what the fuck they were doing or who they were. Nothing. And they were just like us. Yep. They were talking. Yep. Having conversations. Sipping tea. Sipping tea. Having fun with their boys. Never thinking like, you know, at some point people are going to be staring at the ruins of our temples, scratching their chins.

2:30:39Right. Wondering what this means. dude that to me is another unifying thought or planetary unification is like man you guys nobody to this day knows who built those fucking pyramids right and they they if you are like living around the pyramids i doubt the thought will ever cross your mind at some point mr beast

2:31:09Mr. Beast is going to be in here He's going to film an episode of his YouTube show You know what I mean That never occurred to you You know I almost went with him Mr. Beast? Yeah I almost went Why did you go? During that trip Because I couldn't I couldn't swing it I didn't have the time Damn dude That sucks But also I didn't want to do it that way If I'm going to do it I'm going to do it for quite a few days And I'm going to do it with like an expert Like a band Right You know from uncharted X right like one of those dudes or Graham if Graham has the time I know he's very busy, but he goes there all the time, right?

2:31:41I would do that but What do you think about those structures underneath? I pray that they're real did you see van Kirkwik's video? I have the video about the labyrinth's yeah, can we well I just know I just read it. I had him on the podcast there's labyrinths that they've discovered that are underneath that are historic herodotus talked about them he said they're greater than the pyramids the structure underneath some of the pyramids greater than the pyramids and through this ground penetrating radar they've found a 40 meter long metallic tic-tac shaped object that is in this great hall that's under the ground So all this stuff exists But they Made a dam On the Nile River in the 1960s To help agriculture And it changed the water table And it flooded all these underground labyrinths God fucking damn it So it's like a massive undertaking To try to excavate And figure out what's in there But couldn't you put a drone?

2:32:47No, no, no, it's all in water You have to actually go through the water And then below that to where the labyrinths are Dig through the mud They might actually be able to channel underneath it, they think, and go below the water table and then go to it because it appears like the water is not in the labyrinth itself. Labyrinth. Labyrinth. Sorry. Thank you. But whatever it is, there's a 40-meter-long metallic object of unknown origin that's the shape of a Tic Tac that's in there. This is real. This is real. 40 meters, dude. This guy is so legit. Ben is the uncharted X is a fantastic YouTube channel.

2:33:25What the fuck? This is all like real science is the same kind of Science that they're using to figure out what the fuck is under the Great Pyramid all those those weird I thought that was debunked. I was disappointed by that. No, it's not debunked. Not at all No, the images have been verified multiple times. They don't know what it is But there's some structure underneath the pyramid see those columns are real there really are columns underneath the pyramids and it really does go down deep into the earth they just don't know what it is but the same technology they've they've observed all of the different like where they know where there's special chambers that are sealed off they know where those things are but they saw it with the radio tomography they also were able to use it to identify temples that were 25 and 50 feet underground so it's it's it's accurate give me a fucking break man i was i know i i because like i was so excited when that came out i'm like i knew it i've seen it on ketamine and then did you what did you see it's hard to explain it's like uh structures i mean let me reiterate this was in the k-hole right but it was like vast cavernous spaces with structures in it and you know the weird thing about ketamine is it's kind of like you're being given a tour and then you sort of, it's like a viewfinder.

2:34:45Dude, you remote viewed. Maybe I remote viewed. It was very exciting to see. And it was under the pyramids? It was under the pyramids, but I must say the next thing I saw was like a city being powered by meat, so it's not exactly like my remote viewing. Maybe that's what you're going to do with the homeless problem. And Joe Rogan solves the homeless problem. Maybe that's what the alien agenda is. well i mean they power the city looks we'll take care of your problems dude this is real i am not comfortable with this comet atlas i know and and i like you know we've got avi lobe coming on to talk about it he's amazing i had him on my podcast a long time ago he put up with my a lot of people in the beginning were saying that it's bullshit it's a comet why is he saying this he's risking his reputation but then as time's going on they're going well this is weird this thing's really weird Well, it's the...

2:35:38Okay. First of all, it's important to note that one thing that titillates my dumb ass is it just so happens the government shutdown coincides with when we could use the satellites on Mars to get pictures of that fucking thing. So we're not getting pictures. They did release a picture of it yesterday. The government shutdown is stopping us from getting pictures of this thing? Yes. Yes. That's insane. That's insane. Now, that's so insane. They should open that up. I mean, it seems like they just that's really weird. There are. Did you see the images that just came in, though? The Europeans got an image of it.

2:36:15It's weird looking. It's weird looking, but I don't know what a comet looks like. I don't know what a comet looks like, and I don't know why it's weirder than other comets. But it does seem like it's going. It's like rolling in a weird way, but it's the it's the gas. Right. It's like it's what it's releasing is the weird part. Well, the weird part is coming from the same part of the universe where the wow signal came from. Yeah. That's weird. That's weird. That's fucking weird. That's weird. Because that wow signal, what, it was like 70 seconds long? Some very strange coded signal that was 70 seconds long?

2:36:45You know what else is weird is Jeremy Corbell said a bunch of people are going to start saying there's a mothership coming to Earth and don't believe him. Remember he was saying that? Yeah, what's that all about? Why did he know that? I don't know. You got to tell people why you know something like that. You can't just say that. Well, I... You know what I mean? Like, how do you know? How do you know that it's not really a mothership? How do you know they're going to say it's a mothership? Well, Corbell, he's got to do this tightrope walk because somehow he does have inside contacts. But if he says too much, he puts his whole life in danger.

2:37:19It's a spy TV show. Dude, so much of it seems like a spy TV show. So much of it seems like a well-written psyop. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird. I think it's a slow trickle of disclosure. It's a slow recognition that we're not alone. And that they've calculated that the only way to do this and not disrupt society entirely. You know how put off? Do you know? Yeah. Do you know that story about how when he was George Bush, the original Herbert Walker, he wanted to disclose. And what they were going to say was we have recovered crashed UFOs that we have back engineered and we have biological entities.

2:37:59There are things that are not of this world. and they're far more intelligent than us. It brought in a bunch of scientists and a bunch of scholars and I want you to write down on the positives and the negatives of the societal impact of disclosure and give a numerical value to what is going to do the financial world, what is going to do the religious world, what is going to do to government. And at the end, they all had the same conclusion. The cons far outweighed the pros in terms of disruption of society. So they decided not to release it. dude what the fuck isn't that wild like they almost did that what was that george bush it was like 90 1990 maybe yeah it's really weird like crazy if our entire society depends on protecting billionaire pedophiles and not talking about aliens then maybe we need a new society just maybe this is a fucked up society or this is a good time for jesus to come back Perfect time.

2:38:59Always a good time. Also perfect because you'd have to really believe. Because with AI today, you don't know what the fuck is going on. So you'd have to really believe. Or Jesus comes through AI. Well, it's possible. It is possible. That's the portal that opens up. That's the Christ. Or the Antichrist comes through AI. And the Christ consciousness. Oh, well, come on, Duncan. Really? The Antichrist? People are going to buy more tickets. Trying to bring this baby home. People are going to buy more tickets to my movie. It's true. Nobody wants to see it. It's true. Nobody wants to see it. It all works out in the end movie.

2:39:34Fuck that. The battle for Satan. Listen, man. Well, I think that I think I'm here's a cheesy way to end it. Okay. I feel so lucky I'm your friend, man. You're the coolest. I was thinking about it the other day. You're one of my you're one of my oldest friends. I've known you for so long man. I know we've known each other a long time. It's fucking I love you to death I love you too. I'm very happy that we're friends too. Yeah, it's the best man. It is And it's funny because we became friends really Talking on the phone when you were the guy taking the phone calls for availabilities the comedy store We did this on the yeah, we basically we basically did we we started taught you would like tell me man Have you heard about this?

2:40:21Yeah, what is it? Yeah, we'd have these long-ass conversations on the phone Yeah, while you were working. Sometimes hours. Hours. It really was like podcasts back then. Long before we ever went on the road together. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking cool, man. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're here, man. Well, likewise. Likewise. Thank you for having me on, Joe. My pleasure, brother. It's always fun. Always fun to hang out with you. If you're around tonight, come do the show. Can you? Are you out? I can't because I got to wake up at like 3 a.m. to fly. Oh, where are you going? Tomorrow I'm headed to Tacoma. Oh, can I say some dates?

2:40:54Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, I always forget, dude. You've got the most popular podcast on earth. You're in Tacoma this weekend. Where you at? Hold on. What club? I Googled it because I've been on the road so much. Tacoma's fun. Well, when does this come out? Tomorrow. What? Yeah. Tacoma! Tacoma, coming in hot. Tacoma. I'm going to be in Portland. Here it is. Oh, thank you. Tacoma Comedy Club. Keep going. I heard that's an awesome spot. The Omaha Funny Bone. I heard that's an awesome spot, too. Helium in Portland. Can't wait. Portland Helium is all, boy. You're going right to the belly of the beast.

2:41:25I'm excited. Oh, perfect for your comedy. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Richmond Arts. Oh, they got a Richmond one, too. Yeah. Nice. All of it is available at dunkantrustle.com slash tour. My man. My man. Thank you, Joe. Love you. Bye, everybody. Bye.

2:41:54Thank you.