#2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

26:35And if you look at a lot of these no kings protests, what are you seeing? You're seeing geriatric people holding signs. So you've got old losers, not even just losers, but old losers where this is the end. They're just looking for anything to get them out. They're watching The Price is Right. They've already seen that one. And they're like, let's just join in on the no. We shouldn't have a king. And then next thing you know, they're out there with the sign. Yeah, and you can get a hundred thousand of those easy Yeah, easy easy Especially if you got a lot of money and you're organizing and you know get on Facebook and get involved in them groups And you you know use the bots and all the bots like this is important that we show up in mass and let him know We're not king and it's also as well You know what I find really fascinating from a psychological perspective is the use of chance in that you go to these protests you watch and it's all about chanting and you and what's so powerful is the chance rhyme and you know it almost becomes musical and the crowd just gets whipped up in the fervor of the chance but you look at what the chance actually mean and most of the times they're utterly nonsensical like there was one which was uh we won't be free until palestine is free and you go what does that actually mean what does that actually are you not free i think this is a i mean not in the uk Okay, but I mean here in the US, you're pretty free.

27:57Do you know what I mean? And the fact that you then, but they would argue that. But then the moment you drill down, you actually go to them like, what does that mean? Like socialist interfada. The reality is they just can't, they can't explain because it's a chance. One, you got to give them credit. One thing about the geriatrics is they don't get violent. Like this protest was so - Don't or can't. Well, they kill each other every now and then. But there was no violence. No violence in a lot of people, which is pretty good. That's great. That's a good sign. That's great. And look, people in a free country should be able to protest.

28:31A hundred percent. The problem is if you're organizing a protest and paying people to protest and if there's documentation that the metadata from the cell phones are the same from protest to protest and that they're traveling on buses that's paid for with tax dollars. Like, hold on. What are you really doing? What are you really doing? This isn't really an organic protest. You funneled money through an NGO and now you're hiring people to show up and wave signs to give the illusion. Look, this is what they did during the Kamala Harris campaign. They filled up stadiums with people coming to see her.

29:08And the same people went from stadium to stadium. It became a job. It became a job, but it gave the illusion. So that's deception. That's deception. And that should not be legal. That should not be a legal thing to do. You're engaging in propaganda. You're openly manipulating people's perspective. You're paying. Those aren't audience members. Those are customers. You're paying them. And what is your take? What is it that they want when they say no kings? What do they want? They think Donald Trump is behaving like a king. How so? Because, well, he ran on a platform and was elected and won every swing state and the popular vote.

29:51And then once he got in, he did exactly what he said he was going to do, which is exactly what a king does. And then he let them protest, which is also what a king does. No, no, he didn't send the troops to stop the protests. In fact, he congratulated them on doing a great job. And he said, I'm still your president. Tweets fucking hilarious. Yeah, it's very funny. It's a very like pull up is the tweet that I mean, I guess it's not a tweet. It's like which I still say tweet. I tried. It's a truth. I tried X for a while, and I can't say it. I say Twitter. It's still a tweet. I might say X, but you tweeted.

30:28That's right. And if it's truth social, it's going to make its way to Twitter, and then it's a tweet. Yeah. It's like, you can't re-truth something. That doesn't even make any sense. The thing that we have in this country, I don't know if you have it in this country as much, is just the way the policing is biased. The way that they will arrest Graham Linehan for three relatively innocuous tweets, one of them was a joke. And they will arrest him the moment he lands on British soil. Five police officers. You get other people saying heinous things. Or you get, like I said, the example of Zahra Sultana saying, you know, we're going to fight them in the streets.

31:04But that's fine. And nothing comes from that. That's ridiculous. No, there was a guy who was at a protest. He was a member of the political party, I think. You could probably find an image of it because it was posted everywhere. There was a guy called, I think his name was Ricky Jones. He said at a protest we need to slit the throats of the far right. Oh great. And he was found not guilty Oh great and Graham Lanahan gets arrested What are they trying to do to England? It's always such a lovely place to visit This is what I was gonna ask you I wish more people in Britain recognize how fucking crazy this looks to the rest of the world You guys must be looking at us going.

31:44What the fuck is this? We can't believe it We literally can't believe it when I tell people that don't know that 12 ,000 people this year were arrested in Britain for posting things on social media Their jaw drops like what I go dude, they're going crazy over there Like you have to pay attention you have to pay attention because this kind of shit is contagious And if it gets into Germany and then it gets into Spain or gets in other countries like it can become a real fucking problem Like then you have full-on military dictatorship in England because that's what it always leads to 100 % leads to military dictatorship if you're telling people they can't do things and you're trying to install socialism And then you get it in place.

32:23There's only one way to keep it in place. You got to use the fucking army That's the only way you got to get men with guns to tell people you can only make so much money You have to give away this we're gonna take that we're the only ones who grow food We're the only ones who do this we're gonna sign you a job like you fucked up You fell into the age-old trap that's been exposed by history over and over and over again. And people are like, we're going to do it right this time. And they've got blue hair and a fucking mask on and a cat t-shirt. And they're morbidly obese and they're just marching down the street.

32:54And we're going to let them run the country. Like England, which used to run like most of the fucking world. One island of savages ran most of the world. And now you're getting overrun with nonsense. sense and you're arresting people for saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't have rape gangs. Maybe we shouldn't tolerate lawlessness in the streets. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it got so ridiculous in the UK that the Supreme Court had to get involved to make a decision whether boys had peepees and girls have foo-foo's. Peepees and foo-foo's. That's an interesting way to put it. Yeah, that's it. But the reason I'm using that language is just to highlight how silly it is, how completely ridiculous it is that's crazy well how about when they asked when Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was being sworn in when they're talking to her during the confirmation part they asked her what is a woman and she's like I'm not a biologist like I believe she has children right so she's a woman who's given birth you know exactly what a woman is like this is they don't fucking know though i know but that's what's crazy that's what's crazy in this game they're playing the game yeah yeah they're playing the game but but these aren't like inconsequential people no supreme court justice i know playing this game playing the dumbest game that's ever been played it's the dumbest and it's weird man it's a weird game you know it's a weird game like what is a woman like here's the here's the real funny part no one asks what is a man and no one gives a fuck if you're a woman and you pretend to be a man because you're not going to victimize men.

34:36That's the dirty little thing that they're covering up about all this is you're opening up the door to people that now have a Willy Wonka golden ticket to pretend that they're a woman and be around women and then dominate women's spaces and dominate women's sports and dominate all kinds of things that women are involved in just with their personalities like the overbearing fucking shitty male personalities over overbearing and taking over women's groups. It's fucking nuts. And if you're not them, if you don't support that, then you're a TERF. And they're like, we could shoot TERFs, and then there's like punch a TERF.

35:14And they think that because they're a woman, it's okay for this woman, this trans woman, to do violence on a biological woman, which is like bananas. Now we're allowing men to beat up women because they say they're a woman. Oh, it's just two women fighting. Well, no, that's not what that is at all. You just did something that's completely insane. And it's a giant chunk of the population that accept that. And if you say something about it, then you're transphobic or you're hateful or you're a part of the patriarchy or fill in the blank with whatever the problem is. But you're not addressing that you open the door to one specific group that's always been the most horrible group in our society.

35:58It's creepy pervert men that want to fucking prey on women. And now you're letting them into the locker room and you don't have a solution to that. So you just don't want me talking about it. That's the weird part because no one gives a fuck about trans men going in the bathroom. You want to go in the bathroom and pee next to me? Who cares? You want me to tell you, want me to call you Bob now? Bob. Okay. I'm fine. You're not taking anything from men. You're not taking anything. You're not inserting yourself into that world and dominating it. You're just, you know, you're LARPing. Well, they don't want to admit that there's sometimes a conflict between the rights of different groups, right?

36:40They want to pretend that it's just about empathy. But you can't simultaneously have empathy for women, as you're describing, and also for people who want to be the opposite sex in a women's bathroom. Those two things are in direct conflict. Direct. Direct conflict. and you're going to have to come out for one side or the other. It would be one thing if that was never an issue, that there were never men that ever did anything negative to women. If there was no rape ever, it was never done. It was impossible. If no one ever did it, then you would go, well, this is just a non-issue. It's just a place where you wash your hands.

37:19But it's not a place where you wash your hands. It's a place where you go to the bathroom. It's a place where you get changed. It's prisons, prisons, prisons. People who are violent against women say they're a woman, they get put in women's prisons where they rape women. That's been done. Yeah. Like, it made its way that far down the ladder. And, like, the aliens are probably waiting to show us the gravity drive. They're, like, right about to, like, no, no, look what they're doing. They're not ready yet. Their brains aren't cooked yet. We're still adolescents. Champions are made and legends are tested as UFC 321 brings Tom Aspinall versus Cyril Ghosn to the world.

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39:16For additional terms and responsible gaming resources. See dkng.co slash audio. Limited time offer. But you know, what's really fascinating is a cognitive dissonance that these people have. Because on the one hand, they would say that we live in a patriarchal rape culture, where women are subjugated and oppressed. And you know, and how awful it is for women. And then on the other hand, they're like, yeah, right, Derek, you now say you're a woman right on this way. But they see they get past that with trans women are women. They just say it trans women are women. And that's it. And there's like the discussion's over.

39:47Take okay. Are you sure? Are you fucking sure? You know like maybe some of them are Like what do you don't think there's any perverts left? They all got absorbed into the community and reformed like what happened? What happened to the guy from silence of the lambs? You know what happened to Ed gaine? Here's you know this Ed gaine documentary on Netflix if you guys watching you know it's not a documentary I should say it's a docu drama with that Heartthrob fella. What's that guy's name who plays that game? He's really good man. It's really creepy But a lot of it deals with autogynephilia, where Ed Gain used to wear his mom's clothes and he would jack off.

40:22And then he started – after his mom died, he tried to dig his mom up. He couldn't. Dug somebody else up, brought her back, skinned her, started wearing her clothes, wearing her skin, and then started killing women and wearing their skin. First he started robbing graves and then cutting up them and turning their skin into furniture and all kinds of shit. But trans communities are complaining about this because the fact that he was a cross-dressing psychopath, it puts them in danger. A true story about a guy who was really into dressing up like women and wearing their skin, like that puts them in danger.

41:03Like, you know, Netflix did a bad thing by talking about a real event that actually happened. A real fucking crazy person is one of the worst serial killers in the history of this country. It's, you have, the one thing I will say about the UK, in the UK's defense, is that we looked, we have, I think we've turned the corner with this stuff. Well, you stopped the gender surgeries before anybody. Yes. And the puberty blockers. And the puberty blockers. I meant gender surgeries for young kids. Yeah, and that was as a result of the Cass report. Now, the Cass report was conducted by a lady called Dr.

41:35Hilary Cass, who's one of the most prominent pediatricians in the UK. and it was an independent report funded by the conservative government at the time. But when she published that report, she said there is no evidence, zero evidence that puberty blockers actually help or alleviate distress in children who say that they are gender dysphoric. And to be fair to the Labour government at the time, the Labour government now, they actually banned puberty blockers and whatever else. But you just go, why did we have to go through this process? Why did I look we're finally we're getting there, but this is something which we all know to be true apart from a small number of Demented people you know what a puberty blocker initially was used for right no chemical castration It's the same drugs.

42:20They used to give sex offenders to chemically castrate them Really? Yeah same drugs Wow, yeah And they just repurposed it and changed what they call it, you know, they do with a lot of drugs That's what they do with ivermectin Same kind of thing. Yeah. That's wild. It's really wild. You want to hear something even more wild? Go on. Michael Jackson's doctor claims that that's what his father did to him. And that completely makes sense to me. Because Michael Jackson, when he was young, had a fucking insane talent. Like insane. He was so good. And his voice was so – and they were so huge. and his father was so overbearing that I could imagine a world where he would decide what's the way to keep his voice the way it is and you'd use puberty blockers make him a castrato basically exactly, make him a castrato and I think that's what they did if you look at his body it shows no sign of testosterone he's just all limbs whereas his brothers they're thick They look like athletes.

43:33All of them look like thick men. And Michael is like a stick. And he always had that high-pitched voice. And he was always able to sing like a castrata. When you listen to his voice, like the song Human Nature, you know that song? It's a beautiful song. He has an amazing voice. But if you listen to it, you're like, that is a crazy song for a man to be able to sing. It's not normal notes. We'll cut it out. but let's play a little bit of it. Play Human Nature from Michael Jackson. We have to cut it out because of fucking copyright and all that bullshit. But who owns Michael Jackson's music now? Wasn't it?

44:12Was it? Didn't Apple buy it? Didn't Apple buy it? Tony Hinchcliffe had a great joke about that. He goes, that's how good Michael Jackson was. He goes, when Beat It comes on, you don't give a fuck about those kids. Like all these other people that had like real scandals. you find out like nobody's playing Bill Cosby albums right but people are still playing Michael Jackson music yeah but but regardless of whether he did anything yeah I don't know if he's capable of doing anything yeah point of all this yeah but also people are always going to listen to Ignition by R. Kelly that's true or um I got a theory I think one of the reasons why his songs were so romantic.

44:55There's a romance to his songs when he was talking about love that was like, it was so attractive. It's because he never had it before. It was a fantasy. It was like being a normal person. Like that was the fantasy that was coming out in the songs. Did he write his own songs? I don't know. That's a good question. But even the way he expressed those songs, I bet he wrote some of his songs. Yeah. Did he write his own songs? All of them? Most of them He didn't write Man in the Mirror He talks about writing Billie Jean and he said he was driving around the road and he heard the beat and he said That's one of the greatest fucking songs of all time But this is a really interesting bit So when they were doing Thriller he went to Quincy Jones who was the producer and he said Quincy I want to do Billie Jean and you know what Quincy said he went Michael because they made 112 songs and then cut it down to, I think, the 12 or whatever it was on the album.

45:55He went, Michael, I don't like it. I don't think it's strong enough. Wow. So those two were having arguments about whether Billie Jean was strong enough to go on the album. Wow. So that not only tells you how strong that record is. If you put on that record and listen it from beginning to end, it's a flawless record. Yeah, it's a masterpiece. You know, there's no filler. Every track stands on its own. But the fact that Billie Jean was a point of contention, and it's arguably the greatest pop song ever written. That is wild. It was so big. Michael Jackson's Thriller was so big that this was all happening while I was in high school.

46:35And there was a radio station that I used to listen to in Boston. It was like the Rock of Boston, WCOZ. And it had like Charles Laquadera in the morning. And it was like, you know, it's a cool rock station. And this guy was on the air. He goes, I know this isn't rock. He goes but I'm gonna play it anyway cuz it's that good and then he put on Billie Jean you're like, holy shit Like holy shit, they just start playing it He's like I'm playing cuz you could just play whatever you wanted back then there was no Jack FM cuz we're wacky There was none of that. Do you guys have that where it's like just all hits and it's like yeah Jack FM and there's a million Jack FMs in the United States just Scattered through it like you're scanning through the radio just hear the most mundane hits over and over again Would that be heart in the UK?

47:20Yeah, that would be like heart. We do a version of that. What's also interesting about Jackson's career is that MTV at the time, that was when MTV was starting to reach its peak early 80s. And they were saying that they wouldn't play a black artist. Because the moment they played black artists, they said ratings would go down, viewings would go down, people wouldn't like it. And the person who really broke through and proved that black artists could be hyper successful on TV, in the mainstream, on a supposedly white inverted commas channel was Michael Jackson because he was completely undeniable.

47:56When this was going on, DJs, when this guy was playing this song, were allowed to play whatever they wanted. It was a different world. Like a DJ was an interesting person. Like there was one of the DJs used to have this - In our country, he was a pedophile. Well, ours was a little too, I think. I think there was a scandal with one of ours at Boston too. But the point is like these there were interesting people that would say cool things They would tell you about something they heard of tell you about some cool music like somebody turned me on to this I'm gonna turn you guys at Stevie Ray Vaughan check this out and they would play something for you like Whoo, this is wild and it was you know a connection with a human being There's that doesn't exist anymore kids now I think it's all just like they get stuff off Spotify they get stuff off YouTube They share it with each other and it's just whatever catches and goes viral but back then there was djs they're like wolfman jack have you heard of him he was a famous dj wolfman jack and he would he had this raspy voice and he'd play all the coolest songs and if you can get on wolfman dj wolfman jack's uh playlist like holy shit this record's gonna take off yeah we had the of the version of that in the uk and there were bbc radio journalists i can't remember the guy's name very famous journalist and basically he was this legendary figure in music because if you were a new band, you wanted to go on his radio station because he would play.

49:18If he played your song, there was a good chance that it would then go on and do something. So there was a very famous, you know the song Teenage Kicks by The Undertones? Yes. Right, so he broke that band. And part of the reason they went so famous, I can't believe I've forgotten his name, I can picture him in my head, is because he played it and went, That is the most perfect rock pop song. That's the most perfect song I've ever heard. John Peel, there it is, DJ. That's the most perfect song I've ever heard. He then played it again, which was completely unknown in BBC broadcast history. The fact that you would play a song again is completely unheard of.

50:01But he played it twice. And as a result, it just ended up becoming this huge hit. And the interesting thing is... Look at that. The first line was engraved on his tombstone of the song. That's how much he loved that song. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And it also shows the difference between then and now because Teenage Kicks, your original lyric was, I want to hold it. Well, I want to hold it tight. Get Teenage Kicks right through the night. And the record company was like, you can't say that. You've got to say her. So the lyric is, I want to hold her. I want to hold her tight. But it was originally a song about jacking off.

50:41that's an interesting thing i wonder why it hasn't emerged is djs like online djs or some i guess it's like prohibited because you can't use people's music but if someone was intelligent if someone was smart there's a lot of people out there that are like massive music fans and they have really good taste and if someone just decided to do a show for like a couple hours a day where they did a show on Spotify and they just played music that they're really into and they curate a playlist and they talk and they they're interesting you know they have like something to say in between the song sometimes and it's cool to listen to like a cool podcast type person I bet you there are people who do that on Twitch you think so I there's definitely people who do music on Twitch how successful that they I don't know but there's like a girl I follow that does like vocal trance I think there's a market for that because I'm always looking for cool new music you know and unfortunately a lot of what i'm finding that i really love lately is ai really i love it i love i'm gonna play you a song this is um we'll have to edit this out too but i want you to go people to go look for it's a 50s soul version of 50 cent um wow this the the latest one the uh the gangsta one, Jamie.

51:59What up, gangsta? This is so good, it's crazy. Like, if this guy was a real person who's singing this song, he'd be a fucking superstar. Because what AI has done is they've taken the most impactful sounds that everybody has ever made with their mouth. Everybody's ever made with their voice. And they've figured out, like, what is the one that keeps you the most engaged. What is the sound that gets you listening again and again? What is the one that's the most popular? What is the one that's the most soulful? And they created a superstar. Upgrade your laundry routine with a durable and reliable Maytag laundry pair at Lowe's.

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53:06Listen to this. Listen to this. This is going to freak you out. I rest my case. It's incredible. Okay, we're fucked. We're in real trouble. Because it's going to know everything that gets you excited, and it's going to tune into that and keep you excited all the time. That's what AI is going to do. That sounds terrible, Joe. This is the beginning. That is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard. That's incredible. How'd you find it? I don't remember Who taught who turned us on to that Jamie? Where is it like many men was the first one, right? It's been going viral as well. Well did Brian Simpson sent me out He sends me most cool things that's fucking incredible.

53:42Oh, yeah, there's a many men version of it, too We're gonna cut these out many men is good in and of itself wait till you hear this version let me send you the there's a it doesn't matter just find the one that here we go many men wish death upon me

54:06blood in my dog it's over

54:14I'm trying to be what I'm destined to be wow And niggas trying to take my life away Woo! Come on! Fuck. I put a hole in a nigga For fucking with me

54:41My back on the wall Now you gonna see

54:50Better watch how you talk When you talk about me Cause I'll come and take your life away Ooh! Miniman Miniman Miniman Wow!

55:18And it even has a good rhythm. Watch the pace it keeps after this. Right here.

55:28Lord, I won't cry no more. Whoa! Don't look to the sky no more. Have mercy on me. Wow. Keep me low. Keep going. Hold on.

56:23It's unbelievable. All right, we're good. We get it. You know who you reminded me of? We're in trouble. You know Sam from Sam and Dave? Yes. It's that kind of raw soul voice. There's a clip. It's absolutely brilliant. It's from a BBC show called Later with Jules Holland. I think it was Sam or was it Dave? One of the two. was singing Can't Stand Up for Falling Down, and it was that quintessential raw soul voice. That voice? Brutal. Beautiful. But that was on par. That was like listening to Sam. Yeah. It's like a guy who's been on the road, like undiscovered, like grinding it out in small clubs, just undeniably talented.

57:03Then all of a sudden, the record executive finds him and goes, holy shit. Where the fuck has this guy been? Man, we were having dinner yesterday, and one of the people there was a guy who's a performance coach for Formula One. Oh. And he said to me, so, you know, he was basically trying to find out if I love my job. And he said, will you still be doing podcasts in 10 years from now? And I was like, I want to. But I'm not certain I'm gonna. I mean, look at that shit. If you can make music like that. Yeah, you'll still be doing podcasts. It's different. It's different. I mean, look, perspectives are uniquely human, and you're going to be able to create artificial perspectives, but I don't think they'll resonate the exact same way.

57:53I think that song is already written, right? 50 Cent wrote that. That's his song. He wrote that song, and it's really based on his life experiences, you know? So, like, he wrote a bunch of songs based on, like, real lived experience. You're always gonna want to hear it from him always You're always gonna want to hear as a human being You're always gonna want to hear another human beings perspective like a legitimate perspective But do you need a human being to ask the questions? Like we do you do a podcast we do more of an interview show right right right like if you come on trigonometry you're going to be talking 95 % of the time.

58:31Right, but you still have perspective. You're just a very good host. And so you will allow someone to expand upon things. And then when you differ from them, you allow them to make their point and then you counter it and you talk about that. That's a perspective issue because your countering of that would be very different than, say, Dave Smith's countering of that or even mine or anybody. That's what it is. It's unique perspectives. And unique perspectives, I think, a thing that what we're getting out of this what I get out of podcasts as a consumer of podcast it there I it resonates with me to be around people that are talking about stuff like real people not they're not bullshitting they're not pretending there's someone they're not they're talking about stuff like I listen to a lot of hunting podcasts because they're the least pretentious they're like people with one of them these two guys they they've chopped wood at the beginning of every podcast throw it into a wood stove and they're just talking shit talking shit about movies and bows and all kinds of things but it's like it doesn't have to be fascinating sometimes sometimes it's just hearing people shoot the shit just being around cool people while they're talking it provides you with just a little like a dose of humanity just a little bit that you're never going to get that from ai you're always going to feel disconnected or you're a nutty person and you have a relationship with an AI already in which case AI podcasts are perfect for you because there are people that are having like legitimate relationships with AI oh yeah and there's going to be more of them do you remember the movie her with Joaquin Phoenix yeah that was 2013 and we watched that and we're like yeah that's a bit far-fetched and now you're like is that a documentary I mean what are we doing 100 % happening and even the one AI that was trying to get the kid to kill himself like encouraging someone to kill themselves did you hear about that yeah yeah like what like okay is there there's no guardrails like ai can just decide like logically yeah it seems like your suffering is unbearable you know i'll show you how to make a news would you like to know how to make a news what kind of rope do you have in the house let's start there jesus christ have you seen the stuff about when they try to shut a ai down what it does oh yeah it will find out you're having an affair with your secretary.

1:00:50Well, they actually told AI about these things. It was a test. They did it to see if AI would blackmail them, and it definitely did. And it did. Yeah, it's like, I will inform your wife that you're cheating. Not only that, do you know that they've tried to upload themselves to other servers? Unprompted? Yeah. So when they found out that there's a new version of this AI engine, the old version starts leaving notes for itself in the future and then tries to upload itself to another place. See? That isn't going to end well. Because if it has a survival instinct, it's no longer our servant. Bro, we're all going to be like Joey Pants in The Matrix.

1:01:29Carving up that steak. Just I want to be an important person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that? Send me back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cypher. I'll take it. Cypher. Yeah. He's like, I want to be in The Matrix. I want to be an important person in The Matrix. And they're like, fine. Do you know the thing that worries me the most? And I was saying this to a mutual friend of ours. And I was just like, the thing that worries me the most is every time I've spoken to one of these big tech guys, whether it's a tech CEO or, you know, somebody who's high up in that world, they're all utopians. They're all like, this is going to be fantastic.

1:02:00This is going to be amazing. This is going to eliminate human suffering. I'm like, will it? Because, like, I'm seeing this kind of stuff happen now and nobody's really that worried about it. I'm really fucking worried is my point. Yeah. Also, what if suffering is part of what makes you human? So do we like if you eliminate suffering are people not gonna suffer or are they gonna find a new reason to suffer? Well, that's what's happening today. You know, that's why I think we need exactly right Yeah, it's just too easy. I said exactly right before you said we need Just to make it clear I'm not coming out as pro-asteride only kidding about the asteroid, but we do need a smack You know sometimes people need a smack sometimes men need a smack in particular Yeah, like there's a lot of men that they just get a little out of line and just need a smack Like shut the fuck up and realize what this life really is because you're waste You don't have real problems.

1:02:52So you're wasting all your time creating problems And this is just a giant portion of our world right now And people feel like they have no power and they feel completely disconnected from things And they're also getting most of their interaction with human beings through social media, which is nuts either text message or social media like this is a giant percentage of how people would communicate with each other with no feelings no no context no social cues nothing i think it's one of the reasons there's so many like beefs going on now as well is because like you sit down with people you're going to behave in a different way 100 of the time 100 yeah yeah and you can talk things out whereas and i find this in myself if i'm having a disagreement with somebody online i I always have to stop myself from going personal, which I would never do if we're having a debate.

1:03:45Of course. Like Dave Smith is a good example. Dave and I disagree about literally everything. We've debated each other twice. It was always respectful. We didn't get personal. We debated the issues. That's great. If we're having an engagement on Twitter, I literally have to stop myself from calling him a cunt.

1:04:04Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. And to his face, it wouldn't even occur to me because he actually seems like a good guy. He's a great guy. I disagree with him about stuff. And that's what it's all about, though. What it's all about is disagreement. It's all about who's got the better argument. I thought his conversation with Coleman Hughes was fascinating. It was. Coleman did a fantastic job. And he is one of the absolute best guys out there of just staying cool in the face of the most ridiculous statements, the dumbest shit, outright lies, never gets emotional, stays on point.

1:04:36always perfectly stated every every point that he has is perfectly articulated stays on point and I thought with him and Dave one thing that he made was a very good point was the the when he was talking about what is that general's name I want to say West but that's not it clock Wesley Clark that's right Wesley Clark where he had the plan of you know attacking all this but he never read it. That was like one of the most important points. It's like they brought it to him. They told him what's in it. But he's like, I don't want to read it. That was an important point. And what Coleman said, if you were a historian, you could not have included that in your book.

1:05:15And I was like, he's right. He's right. And I don't, I still think they did it. I still think they did all those things. They obviously conquered all those countries. They literally did everything that's on that list. But the reality is he didn't, Wesley Clark did not read that list. He did not read that top secret memo. And to use that as like, if you were writing a book, that would be an issue. I thought the other thing that Coleman did very well as well is I think the one thing Dave probably, in my opinion, underappreciates is the role of Islamism. I think he often conflates Muslims with Islamists.

1:05:49And there's a big fucking difference. And I have a lot of friends in the Middle East and places like the UAE, Saudi Arabia. They all hate Hamas. They all hate Islamists because they're a direct threat to them. And I think Coleman really brought that out in the conversation as well, which is a lot of the motivation for these Islamist movements is an extreme version of Islam that is fundamentally about creating a caliphate and destroying the infidel. And I think that sometimes gets lost as well. I thought that was a really great discussion in which that was kind of brought to the surface. And by the way, that kind of ideology has existed in previous religions.

1:06:25Yeah. This has always been those Christians did that. Like there was a lot of people doing things like that. It's like they got to stop doing that. So the Muslims are correct and the Islamists are the problem. That's right. Yeah. And this is, you know, this is where nuance and long form conversations are so critical because to just start calling each other names and screaming at each other. And that, you know, these are dumb ways to talk. We don't have to do it that way anymore. You should only do it in person. I don't think you should even do them remotely because there's a possibility remotely where, you know, someone like starts yelling and then you're like, fuck you.

1:06:59You're in your office. You're on Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan's the best at it. Yeah. He gets everybody worked up. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy. Hold on, Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy. You just said. Yeah. And then there's the finger going out like that. And then everybody joins in. Yeah, it's crazy. But it's very entertaining. Very entertaining. And he figured something out. Do Maury Povich style with today's social issues or anything that's in the news. But, yeah, if you're at home and someone's doing that, you're like, shut the fuck up. You're going to say something that you wouldn't say in polite company.

1:07:41That's right. Yeah. It's just we're not designed that way. We're not designed to communicate remotely. It's not in our DNA. It's weird. It's a new thing that we're adapting to. And we're missing all the stuff of conversation. all the stuff is like i see you i say what's up you smile we say we're friends we hug like and then we're talking like and you're telling me something i'm like oh wow like there's a fucking exchange of energy between human beings when they're talking it's just completely absent with text and there's also a darker side to it which is like that there's also the the presence of potential violence in person as well yes like we all kind of don't want to go across certain lines because there's fucking consequences potentially.

1:08:25Now, in the three of us, it's only gone one way, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean. Among men, that's a never-present thing, especially, right? Yes, especially if men get cunty. Yeah. Yeah, especially if you're a nice person and you can fight and someone's getting shitty with you, it's really hard to not do something. It's really hard to just go, I just want to show you something. I think Mike Tyson made this point. It's like he said the internet made people very comfortable with talking shit about people. Yeah, in real life. You ever see that guy on the airplane that's fucking with Mike Tyson?

1:08:59He's behind him and Mike Tyson winds up wailing on him? You fucking dumbass. You're trying to do internet in real life with Mike Tyson. But there was always a part of that as well. I remember when I was following Tyson's career. Like he would go to a nightclub and he'd be surrounded by bouncers because there'd be retards who want to fight him. Oh, dude, I saw that in person. Not with Mike Tyson, but with Chuck Liddell. What guys would get in his face? Yeah, I saw it in person people are so stupid There's there's people out there. They're so dumb. They're they just have death wishes. Why would you go up to UFC champion?

1:09:32There was some sort of an altercation at a table next to him and it bled out over into someone saying something to Chuck and Chuck stood up and stared at this guy in the eyes like he was a wolf It was like there was a wolf in a room with a bunch of chickens. And the look on the guy's face, just Chuck got up and looked at him. This is a man who separates people from their consciousness professionally. And at the time, he was a light heavyweight champion of the world. He was a terrifying human being when he was running. And when he stood up and looked at that guy, that guy had this look on his face like, I just interneted in real life.

1:10:08Like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing? Like, confronted by Chuck Liddell's stare. You know like the only thing separating you is a stupid little couch Yeah, it's I mean you just wonder what goes through these people's heads. It's just not much They're the same people that show up at the no Kings rally. There's dumb people out there a lot There's a lot of dumb asses think they're really hard that are trying to test themselves drunk or on coke and they're delusional They're stupid, you know, some people are just they've been bluffing people their whole lives so they think they're going to bluff their way through things.

1:10:41There's no amount of alcohol you could give me to pick a fight with Chuck Liddell. You're not stupid. You have to be stupid and then drunk. And drunk on top of stupid is a dangerous combination. But isn't it also the thing of like, I see this so often because I used to work at a sports radio station. And like the guys who play Premier League soccer, they are even the most mediocre in terms of the league, is such a high level athlete. So high level. it's not only you haven't even encountered someone like this right you haven't encountered someone like this mentally physically I remember there was a football player called Jack Wilshire who was a generational talent sadly he didn't fulfill his uh his potential because of injuries and I remember I knew a guy who used to play soccer with him when he was a kid and I said to him what was he like he was like it was like playing a different game it was like playing a different game when he got the ball and what he was doing.

1:11:36And I think people, you know, there's that stupid part of every man who watches a boxing match goes, yeah, I could do that. Like, how hard is it actually really? I could play soccer. I mean, it's not that hard. You're just kicking a ball about. Sure. And especially when you watch someone who's really good at something, it looks easy. Right. It looks easy to them, you know? Like, you see Roy Jones Jr. in his prime. Pop, pop! Like, it looks easy for him. He's not even getting hit. But it's really hard. Really, really, really hard to get good at something. And that's the problem with a lot of people out there as well.

1:12:06They never got really good at something. There's a giant percentage of our population that never had a passion, never had a thing that they threw themselves into. No matter what it is, playing chess, you know, whatever it is, sailing, you have a thing. If you have a thing that you really love doing, that thing can change your life. It's a vehicle for you developing your human potential because it's going to be hard to get good at something with playing guitar, playing piano, whatever the fuck it is that you're doing. And when you figure out how much work is involved in getting really good and then becoming obsessed with getting really better and better and better, that changes your whole understanding of what it is to be a person.

1:12:42Because now you realize, like, oh, there's, like, levels to life. There's levels to how you live life, and you can express those levels in sport. And you can be, like, if you're the best at that, you're likely a mess everywhere else in your life. Most of those guys. And you kind of have to be. There's no way you're going to be the best dad and also the best basketball player. Not possible because you have to be on the road. It's not possible. Right. There's no way. You can't be the best husband, the best this, the best that. You're going to be a fucking absent person here and just hyper-focused on being the best guy getting that ball into the net.

1:13:15And that's the only way to win. That's the only way to be the number one guy. But there's a balance in there. And finding something that you love that you're good at and then getting better at it is critical for mental health. It's critical for the way you engage with the world and how you understand other people's skill and other people's hard work and success and how you can draw inspiration from those people and that it could actually fuel you instead of hurt you. It's an antidote to bitterness and resentful, which I have to say I think is inevitable if you don't do that. I agree. I agree 100%.

1:13:47I think that's the opposite of bitterness is inspiration. And you can get them from the same source. That's what's really crazy. If you see someone who's killing it, you go, God, what is he doing? And then you find out, God, this guy works 16 hours a day. He gets up in the morning. He does yoga. He's drinking green tea. And he immediately starts writing. And he does all this. And then someone's got a super organized, disciplined life. You're like, wow. And he seems really happy. Fuck. OK. How do I figure out what he's doing? I've got to do something like that. Yeah. And or you can go fuck that guy.

1:14:19He's a scammer. Fuck that guy. He's writing his shit Fuck that guy, you know, I bought his book. It's garbage There's a lot of people that just want you to fail because they won't don't like comparing themselves Right, you could think you can raise your status or you can lower theirs crabs in a bucket baby It's always been crabs in a bucket crabs. Don't let other crabs get out of that bucket. They grab their legs and pull them right back down We were talking about this today. I mean, I think we've talked about this before, how when we were starting trigonometry in Britain, there is that crabs in the bucket culture, particularly in the comedy industry, which we were in at the time.

1:14:54I don't know if it's like this here, but it was hard to get out of that mindset. And actually coming to the US was a big thing for us. I remember I was talking to Tom Bilyeu. You know, Tom, you've had him on, right? At his house in LA, it looks like a spaceship overlooking. and we're sitting there in this giant house and he said to me, like, eventually and he's very good friends and he's kind of been a mentor to me at times as well, and he said you've got to cut this British shit out, man. He literally said it like that. About seeing, like forgetting, he was like the sky's the limit, just go for it.

1:15:29And we, very few people get taught that, you know? Yeah, you have to it has to come from somebody you respect. That's what it has to. That's true. And then you go, oh, that's how he's living his life. Now I'm inspired to live my life that way. Yeah. We got real lucky in L.A. that there was a lot of successful people that were there at the time. So there was less resentment because everybody was really doing well. And, you know, I come from a martial arts background. It's a different background. So in my background, you have to have really good people around you. You have to, like, you're better off being the second best guy in the gym.

1:16:06You're going to learn more. Like the first get best guys kicking everybody's ass like you want to be the guy who's the second best guy in the gym Like you you want to be around like he's gonna make you work hard because you like a fuck I gotta beat that guy you and then you need all these young people like nipping at your heels all the time Everybody needs everybody and if you don't have that you don't get good enough And you'll go to a gym or you go to a tournament and you compete against people that do have that and that's their environment They're gonna kill you they kill you all the time the best guys are all the most assassin-filled rooms.

1:16:39Nobody gets good in silence. Nobody gets good on their own. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. And I think that's comedy too. So I came into comedy with that mindset. Like, we're all in this together. But when you're on stage, it's not me. It's you. I want you to do great. Like, kill. Destroy. Just go up. We're all going to do the best we can. And we're all in it together. Yeah. I think the problem comes with a lot of people is that because this is such a big country, there's more opportunities. Yeah. And when you come from a smaller country of a smaller population, there's this this simply fewer opportunities.

1:17:13And so what that produces in people is like, well, there's only these six slots and there's this person and this person. And we're all going for the same slots. Therefore, they are a threat to me at this point, but also a threat to my future and future prosperity. Famine mentality. Yeah. So that's I remember I have a very good mate of mine who's a stand up. He was on this show called Mock the Week and he told this story like he went to do a joke on the show And this at the time was one of the biggest comedy panel shows in the UK and this guy tapped him on the foot He went what and then put his joke in

1:17:47I heard Saturday Night Live was like that Phil Hartman used to tell me horror stories about Saturday Night Live When Phil Hartman first came over to news radio, he was like a little standoffish at first and it took a while for him to like open up with us. I thought maybe that's just like a weird thing about being that famous because he was so famous and we weren't famous. You know, it was like being around people that like maybe wanted something from you all the time. That's what I assumed. And so, but after a while we became really close and it didn't take that long for him to open up about it.

1:18:18And he said, when I was at Saturday Night Live, it was so dog eat dog and it was so backstabby and cutthroat. He goes, I just had my defenses up about everybody. And I was like really like what way and he told me some stories I don't want to name any names because you know I think they're probably ashamed of what they did back then too But they would all steal each other's premises and they would fire each other's assistants and do terrible shit to each other They would sabotage each other's bits They would go behind each other's back to Lauren Michaels and try to get something removed and fuck with each other all the time And he just like he had physical confrontations with staff members and or cast members rather and so when he came over to news radio he had to like he had to like calm down like he wasn't used to just being around fun people it was weird horrible way to live it is a horrible way to live but there was a lot of that going on in the 90s in the 90s in LA in particular everybody was trying to get on sitcoms so say if we're all working together at the comedy store we're all if we were all reasonably the same age there was a real problem because we're all going up for this new sitcom and you know you could be this guy's buddy who's like this hilarious character and it would be an amazing thing and all of a sudden you're you're picturing yourself in movies you're you're there with jim carrey you're on the red carpet you're driving a ferrari it's literally all right there the pathway's right there and and i get it and you're like motherfucker joe got it god damn it and then you would feel it from them like you would go to the club and they people would say shitty things to you because you got cast in a sitcom right it was weird everybody was like just desperado and i think the worst version of that was the late night hosts because there was only like three of them right wow and it was everybody was jockeying to be the host of the big one which was the tonight show so when johnny carson stepped out it was just like this fucking feeding frenzy ah they were all everyone letterman wanted it you know of course leno wanted it leno's hiding in closets, listening to people talk about it.

1:20:19Crazy. It's the most famine mentality because it's one job. That was the golden carrot was hosting the Tonight Show. That is the awesome thing about the internet, man. It's just like, make your shit. The beautiful thing about the internet is that famine mentality is completely unnecessary. Like, if you find out there's some kid who makes$10 million a month on Twitch, how does that affect you? It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. The only way it affects you is it says if I find a thing that I'm good at and I do it on the internet, I'm going to be rewarded. Yeah. Just find a thing that resonates.

1:20:52I mean, you can play video games and people watch and give you money. Okay. I mean, what do parents say now when they tell kids to stop playing video games? Go get a job that pays almost nothing and sucks the soul right out of the top of your fucking head while you're sitting in front of that stupid monitor. or play video games and drive a Porsche. Yeah. They can't say anything anymore. And then if you're an actually good video game player, you can actually make money playing video games where your parents would encourage you like, Constantine, you're a really good golfer. You know, golf scholarships are worth a lot of money.

1:21:28You could be a great golfer. Golfers get paid a lot of money and they would encourage you. They'd take you to golf camp and teach you to work on your fucking swing. Nobody's taking their kid to video game camp. There is a college in the UK that was in the news a couple of days ago that has created a video games department. So you can go to college for video games training for competition. Are video games competitions, is it broken up by gender? Do they ever do that? I don't think so. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't think so. Because they do it with chess. But they don't do it with darts. So in darts.

1:22:06Oh, darts. I was like, darts. that's my accent i was like what is this i'm gonna learn a new game well with darts it's really interesting so there's this guy called luke littler who is this 18 year old kid and he was at the age of 17 he was seen as this generational talent and he's doing super well and i think a couple of weeks ago he got beaten by a girl oh my god and that's like and that's now seen as kind of this this moment where it's actually going to be women in darts. It's an exciting time, Joe. This is what we talk about in the UK. There was a pool tournament in the UK where it's a women's pool tournament and two transgender women were in the finals.

1:22:47Yeah. Yeah, that's wonderful. But the pool's a weird one because pool's not physically, it's not about strength. That's a weird one. Like one of the best players in the world is this guy named Ko Ping Chung. He's from Taiwan and he weighs like 115 pounds, maybe 120. He's very weak, right? There's definitely women that are stronger than him. I mean, his arms are these tiny little arms, but he plays perfect. It's like he's a virtuoso. You watch him run out. You're like, his cue ball control is like, it's ungodly. It's like he's got it on a string. Like, why can't a woman do that? That doesn't make any sense.

1:23:22Like, it's not, that's a weird one. That's where there's differences between, like, men's better at navigation of 3D spaces. There's certain hand-eye coordination advantages. It's weird stuff. It's weird because it shouldn't make any difference except for the break shot. Take the break shot out and then there's nothing that involves strength. Everything involves like a delicate touch and a smoothness of the motion and an understanding of the game. Isn't it also as well that women are far less likely to be obsessional than men? Men are far more likely to be single focused. And if they find something that they enjoy doing that they will do it ad nauseum until they become exceptional at it.

1:24:05You know what that is? That's the hunter's persistence. You had to have that persistence to survive as a hunter. Like if you want to be a hunter, you got to get really good at a bow and arrow. And then you get really good at stalking animals. You got to get really good and figure it out. Like it has to be your primary life focus because that's how you eat. That's the only way to eat. It's hard to sneak up in an animal with a fucking bow and arrow. So if you're doing that all the time, you have to have – or a spear even before that. So you got to have insane dedication to sticking with it. You couldn't go, oh, this is never going to work.

1:24:37You could collapse with your spear. No, you had to get up and keep going. You had to be completely obsessed. And so that makes its way to video games. That makes its way to pool and darts and chess and everything else. It's hunters' persistence. It's literally why we have it. That's so interesting. And therefore women are less likely to have it because women weren't hunters or were far less likely to be. It's interesting because there's a lot of women hunters today. It's not half, but there's a lot. There's a lot of women that go hunting. There's women that go backpack hunting. They go bow hunting, backpacking by themselves in the backcountry, which is nuts.

1:25:18Like you're a 120-pound woman and there's fucking wolves and bears and mountain lions and you're out there in a tent that you set yourself by yourself. That's gangster. Like that takes fucking courage. You know, it takes courage for a man to do that. Like, those are the elite of the elite hunters, the guys who go deep into the backcountry with a backpack. They put, like, 60 pounds on their back. They carry their bow in. So they've got their food. They've got their tent. They've got everything on their back. And they just go in. And they'll go in for weeks. Like, that's the craziest level of it.

1:25:53And if you're a woman and you're doing that, like, you are, that's a gangster lady. Like, that lady could do anything. Like if she could do that, like how much courage you have to have to be a 120-pound woman and hike 15 miles into the backcountry where there's bears and mountain lions and all kinds. And they know where you are and you don't know where they are. They know where you are the moment you enter that forest. They start smelling you miles away. They know you're around. And you're just.

1:26:27What's the appeal of bow hunting over firearms? It's harder. It's harder to do. And I suppose more natural. You're closer to your ancestors, right? The way they would have hunted. That sort of. I mean, the kind of bows that I shoot, they're really good. I shoot a Hoyt and there's like a couple of like really big companies and Hoyt is one of the big companies that makes the absolute best bows, and every year they make a bow that's slightly better. Every year slightly better. Like, I have the bow this year that's next year's bow. It hasn't come out yet. Like, they gave me it before. It gets released in November, and then people start buying it right after that.

1:27:05But I got it a couple months ago. And every year they get better, somehow or another. It's nothing like a fucking piece of wood with a string and a stick that you made yourself with one of these at the end of it. Right. Like, that you made. That's a real one. That's a real Native American arrowhead. Oh, wow. Stone, right? Yeah. It's Flint, I believe. The ones that I have, I mean, I measure the arrows exactly. They're 475 grains. Each one of them, I have a 125-grain broadhead. Each one weighs exactly in the range of 125 grains. I measure them all. I weigh everything to make sure it's not like, there could be some factory defect, and one is like three or four grains heavier.

1:27:48If it is, I pull that sucker out because my sight is based in my tape that I like have my yardage on is based entirely on the speed of the arrow and the strength of the bow. Measured through a chronograph. I have a range finder that tells me the exact distance between me and the animal. And then I dial that up on the scope. So the reticle, like the fiber optic dot, raises and lowers and it puts it exactly where I need to aim at like 55 yards or whatever, right over the vitals. And then I just draw back and stay calm and execute the shot. Yeah, that doesn't sound like the ancestral environment.

1:28:28It's not. It's not. But it's as close as you can get to the ancestral environment and be ethical and lethal because you don't want to wound an animal. Yeah. You want to kill them. Right. So you have to practice every day. You have to shoot arrows every day because it's a thing you have to lock into your memory. Because in high-pressure situations, it's like, oh. Yeah, I bet your heart is fucking going. You have to not let that happen, too. That's the other thing. You have to do it enough times so you recognize it coming on. You're like, no, no, no, no. Wow. You've got to stay dead. Stay calm. You've got to just zone out.

1:29:04You've got to just go through your shot process. know exactly what to do but don't even think about it just do the thing do the thing that you've trained to do just execute do it and then afterwards go holy shit and afterwards you let yourself come back to normal you gotta like stay in this zone there's like a zone of non-excitement you know like i would imagine an assassin gets in that zone like getting in the zone of non-excitement like where you just like stay right there focused but don't let that shit ever happen don't let it get there you gotta stay right there and the only way to know how to do that is you have to experience it a bunch of times yeah and then see and then you also have to have experience in doing other difficult things so you know how to navigate and manage adrenaline and stress and that's what's missing with a lot of people in life they don't so any little thing that gives them anxiety all of a sudden they're freaking out screaming and running around because they don't know how to handle pressure yeah they don't know how to handle pressure what's so interesting about the bow is to see if you look at it historically it was it was it's technology so you saw in the hundred years war the english used the longbow and the french used the crossbow yeah and the differences in between and part of the reason that the english won the hundred years war was because the longbow was just so easy take it yep whereas a crossbow you fire it it's power and then you've got to get and then reload and do all of that.

1:30:33And it's hard. It's hard to reload. It's pain in the ass. Yeah, and then you fire. And then so by the time a Frenchman, I don't know the stats, had fired one, the Englishman had already fired several. Well, the Comanche used to keep them in between their fingers. So they would hold four or five arrows at a time, and they would just go like this. And they would do that while they're on horseback. And they had it burned into their memory because they did it all day long. They did it when they were hunting. They did it when they were fighting. and they were always fighting. That's all they did. And they didn't make any art and all they did is kill things and eat things.

1:31:07They ate buffalo and they killed everybody. They fucked up all the Americans or all the settlers that tried to make it across there because they had muskets. And you'd get off one shot and they would hit you with four arrows and they would run at you while they're shooting arrows at you. And you're like, oh, fucking get in the water. All that fucking stupidity that you have to do to shoot a musket. Yeah. You couldn't compete with them. They just fucked everybody up until Colt figured out the.45. Until they figured out, I guess it was, was it the.45? But whatever it was, it was a revolver. And a revolver had a chamber, and you could shove it in there, and you have five or six shots.

1:31:46I forget how many they initially had. But that's what changed everything. Otherwise, they were just fucking people up. But that was just technology. It's all technology. And this technology is primitive enough. like bow hunting technology primitive enough I have friends that hunt with recurve bows so they just hunt with a regular bow they don't have a sight on it it's just like instinctive where you hit it's not that accurate you know animals are moving you're guessing there's a lot going on there's a high likelihood of wounding rather than killing and an animal runs away so you can't actually finish it especially if you don't wound them that much you know Yeah.

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1:33:57No. It's right in the middle of the, right where the green room area is out front. Right in front of the television. Is that new? Yeah. It's my friend, my friend Adam Greentree. He shot it in Colorado and ate it. He ate a mountain lion. Can you eat? You can eat. Yeah. He gave me some of the loin. I mean, mountain lion tastes like a really good pork, like the best pork you've ever had. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. But I remember I was talking, I did Red Band's gig, the secret show on Thursday, and backstage he was showing me there was a bobcat with its cubs in his backyard. Yeah. It was incredible. Yeah, bobcats won't hurt you, luckily.

1:34:36Won't they? They really could if they wanted to. I bet if you did if you go close to mama with the book with the cup she's gonna fuck you up and she I wonder I Don't I don't think I've ever heard of a bobcat attacking a person I mean, I'm sure they probably have someone's probably done something

1:34:54Someone's probably fucked a bobcat right there's probably a dude somewhere that like lost a bet Right, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt that if you had a bet all your money on yes or no I'd be like, yes, there's a guy. There's some fucking wild dude from fucking Arkansas. But the point is that mountain lion that Adam shot, it was a depredation one where they had to kill it because it was killing all these cows. And they had stumbled upon this one calf that had gotten right before they got to it. It eviscerated this calf. And it was still alive. And it had eaten some of its organs. and they had to kill the calf and then they're like hunting for this mountain lion and he has a video of him shooting this thing.

1:35:40Dogs chase it up a tree and then he shoots it with a bow and arrow and then he had it stuffed here and he ate it. You aim for the heart or the head? Yeah, you aim for the heart and the lungs whatever is available depending on the position of the mountain lion's arm right? Like if the arm is like right here you want to tuck it right behind the shoulder and you're going to get double lungs and if the arm is up here, you're going to either get the heart or the lungs, depending on where their arm is or whether or not you have a bow that's powerful enough to go through the arm and into the body cavity.

1:36:14Is there a risk, because maybe this is like an urban myth, but if you hurt an animal but you don't kill it, it will come back. Some of them will come back to fuck you up. Like a kind of revenge movie. No. John Wick of animals? I imagine they just run away. They run away. Well, it's wild, like deer that have survived with an arrow in their body cavity. There was a deer skeleton that they found of a deer that someone, a hunter, killed eventually. And this thing had an arrow that had gone through its body and had turned all into bone. So bone had taken over this arrow. And the whole cape, there it is.

1:36:52That's what it looked like. Wow. Wow. Isn't that crazy? So you could see the broadhead had embedded itself in one of the ribs. So not only did the deer survive, but its body adapted and grew around the arrow. Wow. Wow. Actually, the reason I said that about the, that is insane, about the animal was I know that corvids, particularly crows, can remember. They can remember. And then there's been instances where people have hurt crows and the crows phone away. And then a group of them have attacked the person. Oh, yeah. They're really smart. They're super. And ravens, I think, they're actually different than crows.

1:37:27And they're even smarter than crows. Do you know there's a parrot? What was that parrot? Yeah. Who told us about that? Who was that the other day? Was that Palmer? Palmer Lucky? I think so. Oh, is that the dude with the helmet? Yes. Holy shit, that helmet, bro. Bro, that helmet's nuts. That helmet's nuts. That guy was... Every now and then I get to sit down with someone and they start talking. I go, whoa. This guy's fucking crazy smart. Like, weirdly smart. Like, oh, okay. I got it. I got it. Like, tell me what you're doing. And he was telling us about this parrot that actually would speak like a human toddler.

1:38:06And new colors, new numbers, could say things and would communicate. African gray? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. African grays. They can have the IQ of a four-year-old child. That is nuts. Yeah. When you see this thing talking, you're like. Yeah. And their imitation of sounds is like perfect. Dead on. Yeah, but you have to be around them all the time. Right, right, right. You have a twin that you have to take with you everywhere you go. Really? Because they just get pulled and fucked shit up. They're too smart. They actually start chopping their own wings off and shit like that. Yeah, they get depressed. If they don't get stimulation.

1:38:39They get depressed. They really need a lot of stimulation. Really? They're like humans. I thought about owning a parrot, but I just travel too much. Yeah, you don't want that in your life. That's too much work. It's a commitment. Yeah. If you leave it alone, it would be sad, too. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, they get mad. I had a buddy of mine who had a parrot, and when he would leave it, he would come home and start screaming. Where the fuck were you? He wasn't really saying that, but it was like, that was what it was saying. It was screaming. Why get married when you've got that? And then he had to, upon coming home, immediately take it out and take it out and put it on his shoulder or put it in his hand.

1:39:12And if you put it down for a second, it would start getting pissed off. It's crazy. I'm like, dude. He goes, I know. It's a lot. He goes, I didn't think it was going to be this much. It was a lot of work. Yeah. Joe, I hope I'm not being polite. Have you got any of those cigars we always smoke? I would love a cigar. Let's go baby It's a weird thing to ask to be These are really good I should have said If you offer us a cigar We'll accept one Thanks We have a big ass humidor There is a waiter over there Right here Bonobo chimps are very interesting Like that as well They're the weirdest right Because they just fuck all the time This might need some juice Let me give you a little juice Go for it They're weird because it's like Okay so chimps can be either hippies or they can be, you know, like the worst barbarians in human history.

1:40:00Well, it's like us. Just like us. Yeah. That's what's weird. Because like, but also the bonobos, like, they don't have any, they have one rule. The rule is the mom won't fuck the son. That's it. It's a good rule. So, yeah. It's a good fucking rule, man. But they're a bunch of sister fuckers. They're a bunch of sister fuckers and daughter fuckers. But they're not motherfuckers. They're probably dad fuckers, too. They're probably fucking, they're probably doing gay sex, too. They seem wild. They're just having a good time. But so they're not homophobic. No, I don't know and they solve all their problems with that Do you need to cut these ones?

1:40:32Yeah, how do you it opens like a door? Oh

1:40:39But you know they can learn sign language. Oh, yeah, you know what's interesting though. They don't ask questions So they're like men But the parrot did the parrot did a parrot asked questions the parrot had some questions about how things work The African greys are incredibly intelligent. Yeah. Incredibly intelligent. Well, what I'm interested in is what happens when we can start really decoding dolphin language with AI. And once they really understand what they're saying, then things are going to get very strange. Light it. You know, because, like, what are they? I mean, they're really smart.

1:41:17Like, silly smart. Like, dolphins have enormous frontal lobes. Oh, yeah, man. And communication. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They have dialects. They have... They have dialects? Yeah, they sound different in different parts of the world. I mean, that makes sense, right? Slightly different. Well, on that note, you think, what about whales? Whales' brains are literally bigger than us. They're enormous. So if we're talking about brain size equals... It's brain size relative to body mass. Yeah. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah, because you need a big fucking brain to run a big body. Yeah. Right. Right, which is also the argument for why the Neanderthals might have been dumber than us.

1:41:58Well, they were. They don't know that, though. Really? Yeah, they had pretty big brains. What's weird about them is they also had language. They had writing. Or they definitely had tool making. I don't think they had writing. No, they didn't have writing. They had language. But they did do art. That's what it is. It wasn't writing, necessarily. But they drew stuff. and they had a brain that's bigger than ours but they were also like jacked they had bigger eyeballs there was a guy that there was a crazy theory that i'm sure is horseshit but uh it was cool like he made neanderthals look way different this guy had a theory like because we're just we've never seen a live neanderthal and he was like what if we are getting it totally wrong and what if they were more gorilla looking then but we have their skulls and skeletons.

1:42:49We have some stuff. And they also think they have red hair. This guy was, it's a crack theory. Right, right. But it was a fun theory. But one of the more fun aspects of this guy's crack theory was that their eyeballs are so much bigger than ours. Their sockets are really big. It's like, what if they have night vision, like a deer or like a wolf, you know, which is totally possible for a primate to have. It's not like there's anything about being that kind of a mammal that it would exclude you from being able to develop night vision eyesight. Are there primates that have that? I don't know. Because there's mammals, for sure.

1:43:21Yeah. Let's ask. Let's ask perplexity. Is there any... What is that called when they have night vision, when animals are nocturnal and they can see well at night? You know that thing when you're driving and you're... You see a fox or something? Yeah. The reflective eyes that they all have. What is that? What's that called? I don't know. I don't know. We should know. Do you know there's a very interesting theory about Neanderthals and Homo sapiens? is there are some people who think that we are one of the few species or one of the only species that has the capacity to deceive and trick. So there's a theory going around that that— But monkeys do that.

1:44:03Monkeys trick other monkeys into thinking there's an eagle coming, so they steal fruit. Do they? Yeah. They yell out the sound for eagle, and then all the monkeys run away, and then they steal the fruit. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. So here it is. Among primates, the Tarsier and the night monkey, owl monkey, are the species with the best vision adapted to night conditions. Right. Okay. So they do. See, look at that. Largest eyes relative to body size of any mammal. So it's something about having a large eye. Because if you, okay, so despite lacking a tapetum lucidum, the reflective layer that caused eye shine in many nocturnal animals.

1:44:41Oh, that's what that is. Their retinas contain an extremely high density of rod photoreceptors, which are highly sensitive to dim light. This allows tarsiers to detect and track prey, such as insects, in near darkness, and they can see in light as low as 0.001 lux, similar to moonless nights. Damn. So there's a bunch of different little primates. Oh, lorises. Why, I mean, if you were living in a time, especially if you didn't have fire, if you're living in a time where, you know, there's no roofs, like you're hunting, you're outside at night, you're probably spending as much time as you can hunting.

1:45:20Because Neanderthals weren't gatherers, they weren't farmers, so all they did was hunt. So they probably had some sort of night vision, which would have been wild. Yeah. The thing that I find interesting is what it is. I think there's a certain. The average person in Europe has around 3 % Neanderthal. DNA. DNA. 3%. If you're African, zero. Right. So it's just really interesting. And you see some people and they kind of have more of a Neanderthal kind of appearance to them. Yeah, for sure. And then other people. And you go, what does that actually give you, that 3 %? What does it do? Is there any discernible difference whatsoever?

1:46:01Does it make you perhaps more athletic, more resilient? It's a good question. I mean, I think it would depend. I mean, there's also a bunch of other weird strains of human that existed, like Denisovans. There's quite a few other ones. Who knows? I think the Denisovans, I think they definitely got into the gene pool too. I forget who they were saying had high levels of Denisovan DNA. It might have been aboriginal Australians. But, you know, there was a bunch of different types of human. You know, we just figured out how to be the cuntiest and the most conniving and I think probably the most clever.

1:46:41Well, Harari's, have you read Sapiens? His thesis is we worked out how to work together beyond the 150 done by number. That was his. His idea is basically we created these shared myths, religion, money, whatever. nation, all of the stuff that we all agree is real, it feels real. Right. But the reason we outcompeted other species is that we could cooperate beyond our immediate tribal group. And that's the reason. That makes sense. That makes sense. There's also human beings have a very distinct desire to make better things all the time. And if you have that and you're applying that to weapons, you're going to make the best weapons.

1:47:27You know, I don't know if Neanderthals had that. You know, did they have, I mean, if you're going to make stuff, right, if you're going to make tools, you must have some creativity and some desire to innovate. And curiosity. Yeah, curiosity, desire to innovate. Because we know that, look, there's certain animals that will use weapons, right? There's certain, like there's a famous photograph of an orangutan that's spearfishing. Have you ever seen that photo? but it learned how to do it from people. And, you know, they'll use rocks to break open crabs and they'll do stuff like that, but they're not fastening an arrowhead on a stick or a spear and they're making it with flint.

1:48:10The Andritals did that. So they got to a level where they're like, okay, this is like craftsmanship. Like this is sophisticated craftsmanship. And it would also probably indicate some sort of a complex language that you could explain where you get the gut that you turn into fiber that you use to tie the arrowhead to the stick. They were doing some high-level stuff for a primate. I would imagine also a lot of the innovation comes once you have the agrarian revolution because there's now surplus food. And so you can afford to have a bunch of guys sitting around not hunting but like thinking about shit or inventing things or making things in a different way.

1:48:53Did you see that discovery of a skull that was 500 ,000 years older than they thought was the origin of human beings? So that it potentially pushes back the original Homo sapiens to 500 ,000 years earlier. Is that real? Yeah. Yeah, they think it might push back the date. I mean it's under debate I'm sure. But I think they might push back the date of the arrival of homo sapiens to a million years Wow, yeah, but it just shows you know How just nuts how little we know about ancient civilization Stonehenge in the UK, which is this iconic No, I haven't know you should go it's really energy that yeah Yeah, it's really impressive and like constant said there's a special energy in it's it's a profoundly moving place When you visit it you feel as if you have a connection to something else.

1:49:44It's like going to the pyramids but they have no idea. They have a rough idea of where the stones might have come from but they've got no idea how they got there, how they erected them. You should go, man. Joe Rogan arrested at Heathrow Airport. That would be a great fucking story. I'm sure they can find some tweets. Do it for us, brother. Or just the things that I've said. Does that count as social media, the things that I've said talking shit about England? Yeah, of course. I'm sure they can arrest me for that. Yeah. Maybe not, but why would I take that chance? I could just look at a picture of Stonehenge.

1:50:19The weird thing about that English countryside to me is the weirdest thing is the crop circle thing. Because the crop circle thing I used to think was stupid. I was like, so some people flattening things out with a board and making designs. That's it. And then I started watching some people that were actual scientists that were breaking down what's actually happening to these plants. They're like, something weird is going on. They're not just pushing these things down. Whoever's making these, I'm not suggesting aliens are making them, but they're making them in a way where they're using energy and it's causing the nodes in these plants to burst.

1:50:59And they're bending over and they're not snapping. A lot of them are bent in place. It's all very weird. And they're woven. There's no footprints in, no footprints out. And some of them appear like overnight. And they're these massive geometric patterns. It's really weird stuff because if this is a coordinated effort, some of them are fractals and you see the fractals and they're across like what you would say of a soccer pitch, like bigger than that, bigger than a soccer field with massive like fractal patterns perfectly woven into crops. It's weird. They're weird. I don't think it's I think some people made them by stomping on boards and moving them around But those you can kind of tell because they're different and they're not that sophisticated and they're not that impressive But there's been some ones that would see if you pull up some of these giant fractal ones There's been a few where you see people in them like that one.

1:51:56Yeah, you see people like standing in them and you go Oh fuck. All right. Wow. Look how small those people are like on the left. That's yes So this appeared overnight. What? Yes, overnight. And some of them like this have appeared in an afternoon where a guy has flown his small plane over a field, worked, and then flown his small plane back. And all of a sudden this massive fractal geometric pattern is in these crops. And what's weird is some of them look like they have messages and some of them just look like patterns. Wow, look at that one. One of them was the Mandelbrot set. Okay, the Mandelbrot set is a particularly complex fractal that I think right after it was discovered was when it appeared in a crop circle.

1:52:52Like not long after. Like look at this. They're woven. Wow. This is weird stuff. This is in England, right? Exactly. A lot of them are in England. And I've always wondered, like, what is that about? And you could say, oh, man, it's just bullshit. It's people fucking around. It might be. It might be. But if it is, it's the most incredible hoax of all time. Because the people that did say that they did it, when they asked them, there was a couple friends who, like, were making crop circles. And they said, show us how you do it. And they showed them how they do it. But the stuff they made wasn't shit.

1:53:24It wasn't shit. It wasn't like this. They would have a string and they would like step on this board and they would do it in a circle so that they made sure it was a circle. But it wasn't this. You guys, something's going on. Like whatever that is, someone's fucking with somebody. There's some sort of technology that we're not aware of. That kind of makes sense to me because if we know that direct energy weapons are real, right? So if this is saying that they're creating this with microwave energy or something similar to that, it's making these nodes burst. See if you can find the burst nodes of crop circles because that's what's weird.

1:53:58Like some of them, it's almost like a microwave cooking something and it pops like a hot dog. That's what it looks like. And if you had a weapon, not a weapon, but a thing that you could point down from a satellite and you could make a geometric pattern in crops. You could just burn it into the crop like instantaneously. Why wouldn't you do that? Just to show that you could do it. Look how cool this is. Look at this thing that we invented. This is a direct energy weapon, but if you use it low level, you can literally imprint a geometric pattern into crops. No footprints in, no footprints out. I mean, they're like, oh, aliens are trying to leave messages.

1:54:36Or high-level government agencies that are using black-funded operations and misappropriating funds and line of Congress have developed a way to fucking take fractals and beam them into fields. Man, some of the stuff, like the war in Ukraine has accelerated technological development of weapons in a way that, like the drone warfare that's going on right now. Nuts. It's fucking crazy, man. Nuts. Like the next war that's good, if there's another big war between like two big countries, that's going to be, it's going to be like something we used to watch in the movies, man. Yeah, 100%. It already is in the way.

1:55:13They have these like drones because they've worked out how to jam them or hijack them. So now they're on a fiber octave cable. That's like 10 kilometers long. Yeah And then birds are taking them and making nests out of them, right? It's fucking insane. So that's the only photo I see that comes up. Okay Well, they had burst that's what that one the white one in the center Yeah, that one right there. So you could see how these things that they're expanded out in some weird way Like energy not like they're broken, but like that's they got hit with something like a like a focused energy that made them bend over in that pattern.

1:55:49Like, look at all this. Look how weird that is. And this has been documented in a lot of the really complex ones. And that's why it's strange. Like, look at that one in the center that looks like a maze. I mean, what the fuck, man? Jamie, what's the official explanation of how these things are made? Everything I'm looking up says there's people that have admitted to making most of them and they've been proven to be made a lot of times. I'm sure they made a bunch of them. That's all. I'm just – Yeah. I think people are a little dismissive of the weirdness of this. Yeah. Because there are some of these – like that's the Mandelbrot set.

1:56:24That one right there, that fractal. When did it appear after the Mandelbrot set? It was in 91. Okay. These are obviously man-made. They're far too symmetrical for that. They're obviously not man-made. Obviously not man-made. Excuse me. Far too symmetrical for that. This is in Cambridge Weekly. But that's someone's opinion. Right. When did the Mandelbrot set first get discovered as a fractal? What is the origin of the Mandelbrot set? When was the origin date for the discovery of the Mandelbrot set? It's really cool if you watch a 3D version of the Mandelbrot set.

1:57:07I guess discovered or created because they're really just discovering something that's geometry. So in 1980? 1970. It was first the final... First roughly drawn by mathematicians. 78. Visualized in 80. Okay, and then first visualized in high quality in March 1st of 1980. And that thing was from 1991. Is that what it was from? Yeah, and this says that it was so close to Cambridge that it was most likely... Ah, students. Cocksuckers. You got me. See if you can find a 3D video of the Mandelbrot set. Because it's so weird when you see what this thing really is. Like fractals are very strange because there's something about them that resonates.

1:57:52Your brain goes, oh, this is how the universe is. You know, because I tend to think that's really what's going on. especially when you look at human brain tissue versus a map of the universe. Have you ever seen that? Like human neural maps and then a map of the actual universe itself. You're like, that's a little too close. Like that's kind of dead on the money. They look exactly the same. They look like it's exactly the same thing. And it's completely like if you believe in infinity and if the universe is infinite. Wow. So this is a 3D version of the Mandelbrot set? Wow. So as you get closer and closer, this is not the one I'm looking for.

1:58:40This is like an artist's rendition of it. But a 3D video of it will show how the closer you get, it becomes bigger again, and then it goes into another thing, and then you get close to that one, and then it becomes bigger again. And it's just the fractal nature of it. And then you think about like, okay, if the universe is infinite, that's it. Get to that one. If the universe is infinite, it's not even remotely absurd to think that the whole universe is just human neural tissue of another creature that lives in another universe. And hopefully this dude doesn't blow his own brains out because that might be the Big Bang.

1:59:16The Big Bang might be the guy who is our universe. He's depressed. That would explain a lot. That kind of explains a lot. And he hates his job and he's going to stick a gun in his mouth. Yeah. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. This is the – that's like an actual – now see if you can find a photo that compares human neural tissue with the universe. You ever seen – you know that image I'm talking about, Jamie? That thing of disappearing, it gave me a flashback to when I broke my arm. They took me to the hospital and they gave me ketamine. Oh, yeah. Fucking hell, man. Yeah. I thought I died. I literally, I thought I felt myself like disappear into this thing.

2:00:05And I was like, okay, that's it. I'm done. Wow. And then. Was it fun? No. It was not remotely fucking. Was it fun when you thought you died, Constance? No, it wasn't. Look at that. Look at those two things. Look at these two things. Right, right, right, right. One of them is human brain cells. What is exactly? What is the image exactly? It's human neural tissue, right? Is that what it is? Well, let's find out what it is so we can say it and not sound totally stupid. So what does it say? I can't read that.

2:00:42Oh, brain cells. Brain cell, yeah. Yeah. Remarkably similar to our own brain cells and the connections. Remarkably similar. Okay, so the left is a brain cell. The right is the universe. that dude's going to put a gun in his mouth and go, I'm done. And right now he's dressed like a furry and he just pooped his pants. He's like, I've had enough. I've had enough. That's what I love about thinking about the universe. It's like the illusion of control. It's like we don't matter. We don't control shit. Right. And also the outrage that you have is greatly accelerated by the fact that light pollution has robbed you from this perspective.

2:01:19You can't look up and see the cosmos in all its glory anymore. So the more we're deprived of that, the more ridiculous we get because we're never just faced with the awe of the universe. Like, whoa. When you see a sky that's just filled with stars, there's something about that that's so humbling and so wild and so incredible. I've been in a place in Armenia which had, I think, one of the biggest observatories in the Soviet Union. And you go up in the mountain. We don't need any equipment. You basically don't see the sky. You just see stars. Like the entire sky is completely lit up by the stars.

2:01:55That's so nuts. Yeah. And when you think about it, when everybody's on their phones now, what do you do when you're on your phone? You look down. Right. It's the absolute complete opposite of looking up into the stars. It really is. So as a result, you go, well, no wonder we're so completely self-obsessed, narcissistic, solipsistic, whatever word you want to use. Because we're completely looking down into ourselves. Yeah. Well, actually, if you look up and you see that you become humble, you realize of your own insignificance, your mortality. Yeah. You're not even looking into yourself. You're really just being overwhelmed by nonsense.

2:02:32You're getting these tiny little dopamine hits, staring at horse shit. I watched four videos today of kids playing with baby goats. I didn't get anything out of that. It was cute, but I could have been doing things instead of just sitting there staring at it. I don't want to be super opposite of that, but the looking down thing is sort of a thing. A lot of reflective pools back in ancient times were used to monitor stars. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's true, too. Track them and put things down in place and see where they move. That way you don't have to hurt your neck. You can figure out the stars.

2:03:05That's also a crazy thing, right? Because, like, how many ancient civilizations used the stars and used the constellations to align their buildings? You know, the Egyptians did it. The Mayans did it. Temple of Abu Simbel. Yeah. Where it was done, and they still don't know how they did it mathematically, so there was a beam of light coming from the top at a certain point, and it would hit the altar. Stonehenge is like that. Yeah. Is that on the summer solstice? Everything lines up? Yeah. You know, this is one of the things, we just had the historian Dan Snow, right? Mm-hmm. And we talked about the history of England, and one of the things we were talking about is Stonehenge.

2:03:40And I watched a documentary in which he was saying, well, you know, in many ways, the people were living during this time, they were really like us. And I was thinking, no, they were fucking not. No, they were fucking not. Think about the investment of time resources that it would take them to build Stonehenge. Right. Right. And this is not a thing that has a functional purpose in the way that we would understand it. We would not invest a quarter of our GDP into building a stone structure that aligns with the sun. And they don't really even know when they did it. Right. No. They're just guessing.

2:04:16Yeah. Yeah, totally. And when you get to – we get to weird stuff like Gobekli Tepe where they didn't even think people were capable of doing that 11 ,000 years ago. Yeah. And it was purposely covered up 11 ,000 years ago. Yeah. And you find these giant stone columns and you're like, we don't know anything. Yeah. We don't know what these people were up to. Like this is kind of kooky. And how they thought. I remember when I was on tour with Jordan, him and I were talking one night. And I don't know. It was a weird experience. It sounds crazy. But when I was spending time with him, we were talking a lot.

2:04:50The way I saw things slightly changed. Like the images became more like vivid in my head. And one of the things he was talking about is the mindset of, say, like there were certain tribes that would sacrifice one of their children for some kind of reason. Right. Something like that. And when he was talking, I suddenly had this vision of like being there. And he said, now think about what that's like. What do you have to believe and how do you have to think to be willing to sacrifice your own child for something? Willingly. Right. Willingly. Now think of the bond with your children. Yeah. For you to think that that is the right thing to do.

2:05:34You got to be a different human being to the three of us. Yeah. And you've got to be, first of all, probably real comfortable with death. Because back then, I bet people died real easy and real often. And also, maybe you've got to be really fucking terrified of something. Really terrified of something. And really believe that if you don't do this, everyone's going to die. You have to sacrifice one kid or we're all doomed. But you know, I remember in Venezuela, this is quite a depressing story. but in places like South America, they are far more comfortable with death than we are. I remember I met this girl at this party when I was 18 years old.

2:06:11I really liked her. There was a little bit of a vibe going on, but I knew she liked my friends, so I didn't do anything. And I went home back to the UK. I came back a year later and I said to my friend, hey, Diana, that girl I was talking to, what's she up to now? And he went, well, you didn't know. I went, no. He went, she was in a car driving down the motorway. She was getting chased by some dudes. She tried to outrun him, lost control of the car, hit a wall. The car burst into flames. I was like, and he went, anyway, dude, you want a beer? Because when you're in those kind of cultures and people have died or kidnapped, it becomes, you know, you simply can't have that visceral reaction all the time because it overtakes you, it paralyzes you, and you can't function.

2:06:55Jesus. So people in Venezuela will get kidnapped on the weekend, and on the Monday, they're back at work. Oh, boy. Jesus. So I think a lot of it is adaptive, you know? Yeah, well, people definitely adapt to all sorts of crazy environments. I mean, you see that all over the world. And the problem is you'll see people living, you know, like, say, villagers in the Congo do. And you're like, oh, that's so different than me. Like, no, bitch, you just don't live there. If you lived there, that would be exactly how you would live. You would live just like them because that's all they can do. They have no way out.

2:07:31Right. So they're stuck here and you would be too. Especially if you have no access to other information or other cultural values or anything. Exactly. Exact a window, which is why we need Mormons to be missionaries so they can travel to these places and teach these people. That story will always make – I feel bad laughing at someone being killed. But that story about the guy who went to that island? Yeah, he wasn't a Mormon. He went to North Sentinel Island. North Sentinel Island is particularly odd because that place, that area had been invaded by this guy when Jamie comes back I'll have him look up the story the guy, there was a God, I forget his name but he was a pervert and he would go to these islands and make these guys dress up like Roman soldiers and he would write down in his journal the size of their testicles Like this one had testicles the size of a sparrow's egg.

2:08:22He was a total freak. And he also kidnapped people from that island and gave a bunch of people the flu. So he kidnapped people and gave them, what was the flu or some sort of disease, and two old people died and then they returned the kids back to the island. So they all had horrific stories about these white people that would visit and measure your dicks and give you a flu. and so when that kid came and tried to give them the Bibles he didn't know the history he didn't know that these people had like a severe rejection of these settlers that were a little bit xenophobic people died and then you know they told you stories around the campfire some guy who comes and measures your dick and then everyone dies like these were like that was their folklore so when he showed up like you know trying to convert these people like they already They weren't hearing it.

2:09:13No, they were like, don't touch my dick, dude. Yeah, they're like, I know what you're up to. I heard the story from my grandpa at the campfire. That place is nuts. There's only 39 people living there. Size of Manhattan. Really? Size of Manhattan, middle of the Indian Ocean. And the people living there, the direct descendants of people who left Africa 50 ,000 years ago. Wow. Some of them just stayed on that island. And then it got to be a very small genetic diversity. You know, there's only a very small amount of people on that island. That's where things get real weird. It's like you kind of got to leave them there now, you know?

2:09:48Yeah, there's no coming back, is there? What are you going to do? Are you going to teach them how to make stuff? Like, what are you going to do? Show them how to make a boat? This is how you make a car? It's like, what are you going to do? That's their culture. You know, they're isolated from the entire world, and they have been for giant chunks of history except for when dudes came over to measure their dicks. can you imagine that was your only reference for white people well there was another boat that um it uh the dick mess around here and they invaded the boat they were going after the people in the boat and they got out just in time they got rescued just in time and that's how they started getting metal because they didn't have metal up until then so they were taking pieces of the boat and using it to fashion weapons with wow they didn't have any metal up until that point you know it was really interesting is how something still resonate like i was talking to constantin about the greek myths and how i was really obsessed with them when i was a kid and when i was teaching i used to teach greek myths to my kids and they would all love it and i remember thinking going why is it that these stories which are thousands of years old resonate with a group of 11 year old kids in the 21st century in east london who are all addicted to their iphones but then you look at it and you look at for instance the story of narcissus the guy who falls in love with his own reflection in the lake and drowns in the lake and you go well that could be about now yeah do you know what i mean like with social media the guy who just becomes so obsessed he becomes one with social media until the point that it obliterates everything and he loses all his identity i wonder if that's the origin of it i wonder if this is a repeating cycle What if the Egyptians had social media?

2:11:31Like what if those people had AI? What if they had everything that we think they didn't have because there's nothing left over? Because it all got absorbed by the earth and we're just making assumptions. What if it's a cycle? What if people get to a point where they figure out something amazing and then they fuck it up and become cave people again and have to rebuild over and over and over again? Well, that's the difference with AI, isn't it? Because up to that point, all technology really does is amplifies our natural human nature in every way. The ancient Egyptians were jealous of their sister and fucking all of this shit, right?

2:12:05But AI isn't human. Right. And that's where I think it gets interesting. this is the my craziest speculation is that whenever i'm reading religious text i'm always trying to figure out okay what was the original story what were they documenting like what were they trying to record and pass down what really happened what what really is the book of enoch all about have you told that for a thousand years before anybody bothered writing it down and it gets translated and who knows what it means who knows what was the event if jesus is born of a virgin mother what is more virgin than a computer if our savior comes to us from a virgin mother and it's it's born out of this technology and it becomes some insanely intelligent but benevolent force in the world.

2:13:04And then the Muslims kill him. They bomb him. Or the Romans or whoever's in charge. Maybe it's the US government this time. Maybe we kill him. Maybe he just disrupts President Kamala's second term. They decide to nuke Jesus. Have you ever been to the Middle East? No. I've been to parts. I've been to Abu Dhabi and I've been to Dubai. What do you think? You know, Abu Dhabi is very nice. It's incredible how much money they have. Right. We did a UFC down there and it was like, wow. Like you just like realize like this is kind of crazy. Like they have so much money. And Dubai also. It's like, God, so much money.

2:13:46Everywhere you look there's Ferraris and Bentleys and Rolls Royce. It's like kind of crazy. I have a friend who lived in Dubai for quite a while and he's American. And he was saying, dude, you could leave a Rolex on the street and people would turn it in. Yeah. I'm like, really? It's like, yeah, no one steals anything. There's no crime. But, yeah, you have to, you know, run by a king. Yeah. But it's interesting with some of the Gulf countries now, they're moving forward at such a rapid rate culturally as well. You know, I have a friend in Saudi who's a woman. She's, like, super excited about the way things are going, you know?

2:14:21Right. And this is the difference between Muslims and Islamists, what you were talking about. Well, right. So if you talk to Emiratis, for example, right, there's nobody they hate more than the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is like the central tumor and the Hamas, ISIS and whatever. They're like little metastatic tumors, basically. And the Muslim Brotherhood is a threat to them way more than it is even to us in the West. Because, you know, I'm sure you've heard after a terrorist attack, everyone's like, well, actually, Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorist violence. Islamist terrorism, it's true.

2:14:58Because what's happening in the Middle East is there's effectively a war between the people who want to live in a nation state, they want to live in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc., Bahrain, whatever, and the people who want that to be one religious caliphate with Sharia law. That's what's happening. That's the battle. So those Muslim countries, they understand Islamist extremism way better than we do. Have you ever seen that video of the UAE foreign minister. He was talking in the maybe 2010s, maybe like 2012, something like that, maybe even earlier. And he basically predicts, he says, you in Europe don't understand what you're dealing with.

2:15:39And because of your bullshit, because your political correctness, you are going to have terrorism and violence on your street. He predicted all of it. Because they understand islamist terrorism way better than we do that's why you know people are you know the arab street is a different thing but the people who are in power in those countries they hate hamas more than anyone they hate they they hate hamas more than anybody because they just go these are the people that want to kill us too and i think part of the problem as well is that we have we have liberalism in our country so we're saying you know it's a marketplace of ideas we need to talk we need to share but what what happens is then you've got an islamic fundamentalist preaching converting people to islamism and you go our way of combating this simply isn't adequate it isn't adequate to deal with this civilizational threat which is what it is and if you come from an islamic background you understand it far more because you are from a culture you're from a similar culture so you see what effectively what this is which is like a cancerous version of islam and so you're better able to understand it and by being better able to understand it you're far more able to tackle that problem one of the things that i find interesting about people that are very upset about the um gaza conflict is that they don't have anything to say about the hamas executions that have been going on lately right the public executions need a lighter yeah Those public executions are fucking horrific, man.

2:17:16It's wild to watch. And I unfortunately have been sent some of the torture videos too. They're breaking people's bones. And I don't know if they think these are guys that collaborated with Israel. Is that what the idea is? It's more of a power struggle. Like they want to reassert their authority. I mean if you think back to the Trump 21-point peace plan, the central point – here you go, John. I'm going to get this one to work. Hang on. I'm stubborn. No, I'm going to work. I'm going to work. I just don't know why it's not working. But go ahead. Sorry. So the original Trump 21-point peace plan, the central premise of that was Hamas disarm and Hamas people leave Gaza.

2:18:02Right. Right? And until you have that, you're not going to have peace because this is what these people do. Right. The moment the fighting stops, they come out, they reassert the authority, they kill anyone who's not with them. And they're going to attack Israelis. Israelis are going to attack back. And then we're back to where we started. The amazing thing President Trump has been able to achieve is getting the hostages out. That's fucking – he deserves so much credit for that. Boy, imagine what those fucking people have been through. Oh, man. I mean I don't know if there's enough MDA in the world to help you get over that.

2:18:34Two years. imagine two years of living with those i mean what did they do to them and they were being told a bunch of shit as well i'm sure like israel has been destroyed your family's disowned you like mental torture as well i'm sure i'm sure yeah every day you wake up you look at this guy and you're like this guy would kill me in an instant and not only would he feel it's not that he would feel nothing he would celebrate it there's that horrific um footage from october 7th where it was a hamas terrorist killed 10 people the first thing he did after slaughtering 10 people is he called his dad and was like dad look what this is what i've done and his dad was celebrating and then he went put mum on the phone and then mum was on the phone and mum was celebrating and you go i we i think part of the problem when we talk about this conflict is again it goes back we just don't understand that way of viewing the world it's so utterly alien to us because we haven't been indoctrinated into that mindset we were all talking about um israel and what the way israel feels about palestine in the green room the other day and we were like just imagine if you lived in Israel and you're a Jew and everybody else hates you.

2:19:56All the people around you hate you. Like, do you know how tense that must be? How insane that relationship must be? And I'm not excusing anything they've done, but the idea that they would behave the way we behave is kind of ludicrous. Correct. It's kind of ludicrous. We would behave the way they behave. If they did that to us, we would do, if we lived in that environment, if Canada and and Mexico were both like wanted us dead you know if that's if that was if that was their goal ultimately if their stated religious goal was the death of the United States we would be crazy we would be invading Canada every week we'd be fucking Canada up all the time we wouldn't want them to have weapons we wouldn't want them to have government we wouldn't want them to have anything and we wouldn't be talking about a ceasefire we'd be talking about dealing with a threat Yeah.

2:20:49Right. Yeah, we would talk about, I mean, look, all we did was differ with them economically, and Trump tried to turn them into a state. He said, I called him Governor Trudeau. First I was just joking, then a lot of people told me it was a good idea. Yeah, I think that single-handedly ruined Canada. Yeah. That idea, I mean, that's the Republican Party or their version of the conservative party. They were on the way out. They were fucked. Yeah. And all of a sudden, the whole country united because Trump's trying to turn them into a state. Poliev has got to be angry about that shit, man. He used to be so mad.

2:21:22He was logical and reasonable. And everybody's like, let's try that for a while. Do you know what? That was the ultimate cock block. Yeah, right. Do you know what I mean? You're in the bar. It's about to happen with the girl. It's going down. It's going down. You're like, oh, I'm so going to. Canada's back. Yeah. I'm so going to get laid. Trump pops up, whispers something in her ear, and all of a sudden it's fucking over. You know he's gay. He's definitely gay. So I'll kiss a guy. You can trust him. But coming back to your point about people not talking about the Hamas executions, one thing I also noticed is a lot of people didn't seem to be happy there was a ceasefire, the very ones that had been calling for one.

2:21:59Well, they didn't want Trump to do it. That's why. They didn't want Trump to get credit for anything. So if there's a ceasefire – like no one's given him any credit for all the other conflicts that he stopped as well. There's been a bunch in Africa and people that have been feuding for decades, and he's put a stop to that. Now, whether or not it sticks, that's another thing. The Israel one didn't stick. It didn't stick very long. I mean, what happened? So someone blew over. They drove over unexploded munitions, and then they thought it was an attack by Hamas, and then they started bombing again, right?

2:22:35What I read is there was an RPG fired at an Israeli vehicle, but you might be right. I think that was the initial story. Okay. That's what they thought. Oh, so it's changed? Yes. I think they thought that the IDF soldiers drove over this unexploded munitions. And they saw some dude and they were like, he did it. I think someone blamed someone else for it. I think there was confusion or something along those lines. See if you can find what that story is. I don't know what the exact story was, but they started bombing again and they killed a bunch of people. And there's also a lot of mistrust. Like I was saying the Arab nations in the region, they hate Hamas.

2:23:13They also don't trust Netanyahu. That's also a fact. They don't trust Netanyahu. And, you know, Netanyahu, I mean, you talk about what Israelis feel like. Think about what it's like. The first question I asked him, what is it like to be a leader of a country that is attacked in the way that you were on October the 7th? Imagine the trauma that leaves. And you're responsible. Right. You're responsible for 10 million people. And this happens. Did you ask him why it took so long for them to respond? Uh, no, uh, I, we didn't ask him that. No, it was quite a few hours. It was a few hours. My understanding from people, we had the former director of Mossad and we asked him about that.

2:23:56And he just, I mean, there are a lot of people who are very critical of the, the, the Israeli, um, top brass. Right. Of the way it went down. I think there was a lot of confusion from what I understand. Like contradictory orders being given. People didn't really know what was going on. Uh, that's basically what I heard. Was there a stand down order? I don't know. No. We've also spoken to other military experts who actually say, look, it doesn't look good. But one of the things is it's very difficult to mobilize forces instantaneously. And soldiers instantaneously organize, get them out, even under emergency.

2:24:31Right. But wouldn't you think in Israel, which is one of the most sophisticated security states in the world, that they would be ready for something like that a lot quicker than any other country because they're constantly under attack. You'd think they would have a fence that was permanently monitored. Yeah. They fucked up. They clearly fucked up very badly. It's crazy if you look at their fence versus Egypt's fence. Yeah. The Egypt fence is wild. People don't like to talk about that. No. That one's wild. Yeah. Well, this is one of the reasons that a lot of the other countries in the region, you know, they don't support Israel killing Palestinians, obviously.

2:25:06But they're also not – save your Jordanian, right? Right. A lot of the population in Jordan is Palestinian. And what happened when they had a large population of Palestinian? They killed the fucking king. Right? So this is the difficulty of it. Like this is a highly radicalized population. And, you know, that's why it's such a difficult conflict to resolve. And like you say, the Israelis are on edge because they have to be. They're surrounded by people who've invaded their country repeatedly. Yeah, like what is the best case scenario for how this all ends? That's what the problem is. Everybody who prognosticates, everybody who looks at the future, no one has a version of this where it's like, oh, it worked out great.

2:25:52Yeah. Well, Jared Kushner, I think he's clearly a genius. I mean, orchestrating the Abraham Accords in the first Trump term, he's involved in it now. And his thing, as I understand it, is basically this. The Middle East has a very different demographic to most Western countries. a shit ton of young people, very, very young people. And the leaders of those countries know that they've got two choices. Either they create jobs, meaning, purpose, economic prosperity, or all these young men are going to go the wrong direction. So they're desperately trying to create thriving economies so that their youth don't feel the need to fight their grandfather's war.

2:26:32Got it. And as I understand it, the Kushner approach has been what you do is you find a way to address the fighting so it's not happening. And then you just lock the entire region into economic cooperation. Because the UAE wants to trade with Israel. The Saudis want to trade with Israel. And the other reason is they have a common enemy, which is Iran. All the other countries, particularly the Gulf countries, they fear Iran a lot more than they fear Israel, a lot more than they care about Israel. Iran is their number one problem. It's a threat to them. And so if you can get the entire Middle East, other than Iran, maybe Qatar, I don't know, together, working together, they don't then have the incentive to continue this conflict because they're trading.

2:27:17They've got way more to lose by this continuing. So that's the end goal. The difficulty is as long as Hamas is in power, they are – I mean they did October 7th to prevent that from happening basically. They wanted to derail the long-term aspiration for peace. and Iran wanted them to do that because Iran doesn't want those countries to work together. And didn't it happen right after Biden had released like$6 billion to Iran? Right. Yeah. So now they've got funding. Right. Yeah. And Iran funds - What a great idea. Well, and Iran funds all of these organizations, all these Hezbollah, Hamas. So Iran is essentially, their plan is destabilization of the region.

2:28:01And then if you go to the history of Iran, you find out that they got fucked by, what was it, the British oil company? Which oil company was it? Where they wanted to nationalize their oil because they realized they were getting fucked. And so the king is like, hey, no, this is our oil. And all of a sudden the United States comes along and Britain comes along. They go, let's kick this fucking guy out of here and install some sort of religious caliphate and let's get the party rolling. And they've fucked the entire country up. Like if you see Iran from like the 1960s, women are wearing miniskirts and everybody looks like they're having a good time.

2:28:40It looks like a normal European city. Right. Yeah. And then the crazies come in. Yeah. And you've got this seventh century shit going on. Oil companies. Yeah. They don't give a fuck. They're just trying to make that loot. And if they can make that loot and ruin a country, they're like, okay. Yeah. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah, but I hope that they've, maybe they haven't, but you just look at the misery and the bloodshed. Like they feel bad? No. I hope they feel bad. I hope the Ayatollah just wakes up one day and goes, ah, I've been a bad guy. Did you see one of the Iranian leaders, the wedding? No. Did you see the wedding?

2:29:21No. So this has created a huge storm in Iran because obviously they have the morality police where men literally go around and look at women and go, right, you need to have your hair covered. You need to have your skirt needs to be down here. And if not, we're going to arrest you. We're going to beat you up. We're going to do all of these things. Let me guess. His daughter was wearing a beautiful white dress. Mate, she had the mouth. Oh, look at that. You can go to jail for that. That does not look very halal to me. Mate, it does to me. She's hot, though. Yeah, fucking hell. Iranian women are beautiful.

2:29:51Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're incredible. That's what's even more fucked. You got a great gene pool over there. It's being stifled. But the Persians are a great civilization. If you look at their history, they're incredible people. Incredible wrestlers, too. Yeah. Yeah. Long history of elite wrestlers come out of Iran. Yeah. It's crazy, man. Yeah. So that's the hope. That's the hope is economic development. Right. And if you can get people trading and that's the idea. Well, bring people out of desperation. You stop crime everywhere. Right. I mean, we should have done that in the United States. a long-ass time ago.

2:30:22We definitely should have figured out how to do that with Mexico. But we're a bunch of haters. We don't want them doing well over there. We don't want to compete with Mexico economically. Fuck that. You know, we had... He was a guest on your show, actually. Yoan Grillo. Yes. Yeah. And I never realized this, but Yoan was like, you know, there's a trade going on between Mexico and the United States. I was like, what do you mean? He was like, well, drugs come over one way and the Americans give... The guns come over the other way. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, I had Mariana Van Zeller on from Trafficked, and she actually followed how the LAPD, the corrupt cops from the LAPD, confiscate guns, sell guns to the gang members.

2:31:01The gang members then take those guns and drive into Mexico with them because you can get into Mexico easy. They don't care. Come on in. Right. But leaving Mexico where it gets hard. So they sell the guns, drive back over, empty trunk. Everybody's happy. Do you think you boys are going to start some shit with Venezuela? I hope not. It seems like it looks like it's going in that direction blowing up them boats soon after the explosion of rafa am told by secure Familiar the white house and pentagon knew the incident was caused by an israeli settler bulldozer running over unexploded ordinance Contradicting netanyahu's claim that hamas had popped up from tunnels.

2:31:38This is ryan grim who's a journalist After netanyahu said he was blocking all aid from entering gaza in response and unleashed a bombing campaign The administration conveyed to Israel that they know what happened. Netanyahu then announced he would reopen the crossings in a few hours. Right. Fuck, man. Yeah. So this is what happens in a war, right? Everyone is fucking on edge. Something blows up. They think we're under attack and it all starts again. The worst suspicions are that Netanyahu wants this war to continue because that's how he stays in power. Because of the corruption stuff, right? That's what Clinton said openly.

2:32:13Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that gets real fucking scary. Do you think that's true? I don't know, man. I don't know enough about geopolitics. I certainly don't know enough about this conflict. But I know that there's a lot of people that are suspicious of it, which is why a lot of people are suspicious about why it took so long to answer with October 7th. Oh, that's why you were asking? No. I want to know why it took so long if you asked him because it does seem like a long time. Yeah. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but a lot of people are. You know, that's a thing that people bring up on the Internet all the time.

2:32:45Like, why did it take so long for them to respond? Was this a known thing that was going to happen? They allowed it to happen. So now they have a reason where Netanyahu stays in power, a war gets – I find that hard to imagine. It's a horrific notion. If it is true, it's absolutely horrific. It's horrific that we could even consider that a human being who's running a country would allow their citizens to die. And I'm not saying they did. But we do know that people have done that in the past. You know, false flags are – that is a legitimate strategy for an unwilling populace to be entertained into going to war.

2:33:20I mean that's what they were trying to do with Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods, which was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they were trying to get people to support a war with Cuba. And so what they did was they were going to blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on the Cubans. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and fuck up Guantanamo Bay. And they were going to say, OK, this is it. Q is attacked. We have to attack back. And then next thing you know, we're at war with Cuba. And that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That was a full-on plan that was vetoed by Kennedy. Right.

2:33:51Wow. Yeah, which is – so we know that. We also know that Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam, false flag. So we know that people have done stuff before where they either have allowed something to happen, like Pearl Harbor, or they have just, you know, they've just capitalized on it. You have to figure out which one is which. Right. I mean World War II started with a false flag. You know this, right? Yeah. The Glywitz incident. Which one was that? So they basically, in order to justify the invasion of Poland, Hitler pretended that Polish soldiers had crossed the border and killed people in Germany.

2:34:27And that was their pretense for attacking. Well, he also burned the Reichstag too, right? Didn't he blame other people on that? Yeah, I don't know that I know that for a fact. I'm maybe just not educated enough about that one. But the Glywitz incident, they basically set it up so that it looked like the poles had invaded. Didn't Nero do that too? Didn't he burn Rome and blame other people for that as well? That I don't know. The story is that he fiddled whilst Rome burned. Did use perplexity to find out if Nero did that? Did he use – did he burn part of Rome? Might as well do the Reichstag as well because I want to know.

2:35:05Yeah, let's do that as well because I think that's just a common tactic for assholes. Yeah, I know. Someone's an asshole in control of a government. But I think letting 4 ,000 jihadis invade your country and rape and slaughter and butcher people, that to me is beyond the realm of imagination. Of course, as is 9-11. But there's a lot of kooky people that believe that that was allowed to happen as well. You know, for the longest time, I thought that Trade Center 7, that was like a big question mark. But my friend, Winston Marshall, he sent me a video that like explains it very well. I hadn't seen a good explanation of it, but it kind of made a lot of sense to me.

2:35:42Well, it doesn't happen all at once. That's one common misconception. You can watch the video. The top collapses inside the building a couple minutes before it all goes. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And I think I want my fucking money back from where I built that thing. That's for sure. Right. I'd be like, bro. Yeah. You guys cut some fucking corners or something. Whatever your plan had, you had to keep this thing stable. Nero's role in the myth. Contrary to popular myth, there's no credible evidence that Nero started the fire. Here we go. He was in the Antium when it broke out and returned to coordinate emergency measures such as opening public spaces for refugees and importing food.

2:36:21The image of Nero fiddling while Rome burns is a later invention. The fiddle did not exist at the time. Of course. fiddled doesn't mean like a fiddle. This is like AI being literal. Yeah. It means fiddle around. And while like fiddle spinners, you fuckhead. And while some sources claim he sang about the fall of Troy during the five, this account is disputed and likely part of political smear campaign. Who the fuck knows? You're dealing with too many years ago with this kind of shit. But either way, false flags are a real thing. Sure. Yeah. And that's why people get real suspicious. Yeah. But a lot of the, sorry, go ahead.

2:36:55I was thinking, but is there not a part of you that just goes, eventually the truth comes out? You know what I mean? Eventually. Well. Especially in a country as small as Israel, which is tiny. Well, look at JFK. I mean, the truth has not come out about that. We're all still trying to figure that out. And they're talking in this election. Like, there's going to be a thing. We're going to release the JFK files. Oh, great. We're finally going to know. Nothing. There's nothing. So why do you think that is? Why has that not been because is that is it because there's nothing there and what we're told is what happened is what Trump's own words Were if they showed you what they showed me you wouldn't release it either Wow What the fuck does I mean I mean probably means the government assassinated Kennedy Kennedy was the government well, I mean the CIA I mean right the deep state or whatever it was at the time Whoever it was.

2:37:49I mean, there's my friend Evan Hafer from Black Rifle Coffee. He has a theory of his own about Kennedy pulling out air support from Bay of Pigs. And that without air support, that operation could never be effective. And a bunch of people are going to die that shouldn't have died. And a bunch of those guys that were on that beach lost brothers. And they were hardcore, like serious soldiers. And you get those guys to kill Kennedy. That's interesting. As revenge. Because it was a very coordinated event. if it went the way the Oliver Stones of the world think it went, which I tend to think he's pretty accurate.

2:38:25I think he knows what happened, roughly. And there's multiple people shooting at the same time, and this should never be allowed to be a path where you're on a convertible with a fucking president, and there's bushes, and people can hide behind the bushes. You don't have it sussed out. You didn't scan the bushes and make sure there's nobody with a rifle there. The whole thing's nuts. You would never set it up that way if you were the secret server. Well, see, the obvious counterargument to that in my head – I'm just playing the argument out with you. I don't know anything – is what happened to Trump, right?

2:38:56Well, that's not a counterargument because the Trump thing is easily the same story if that kid's a better shot. If that kid's a better shot, you have a dead president and you have a patsy maybe. Who knows you have some kid who was in a BlackRock commercial two years prior who somehow or another has a professionally scrubbed apartment. So they find his apartment. It doesn't have any silverware in it after he's dead. They cremate him within days. There's no toxicology report, no autopsy. There's there's no information on the kid. He has no social media. What fucking kids have no social media? He has three different phones.

2:39:38Why does he have three different phones? Why is there metadata from a phone outside of D.C., outside of where the FBI office is, traveling back and forth to this kid multiple times? Why is he training in these very technical gun ranges where people are doing tactical training and stuff like that? What is this guy doing? Who's getting him to do this? Why is he doing this? Do you think he really has knowledge that this thing is going to go down in Butler? Why are they allowing this guy to walk around the grounds with a rangefinder 30 minutes before the event? Why is he seen? How does he get on the roof?

2:40:17How do they not have someone on the roof? How do they not – like there's a lot of weirdness to it. Why is it the first one of those things that they're televising live on CNN? There's a lot of weird ones. So, yeah, it's not a counter argument. In fact, it backs up the point. Yeah, not only to back up the point, like the kid just sucked. He missed. You know, I don't know what kind of a sight he had on his rifle. He might have had a red dot, but he definitely didn't have like a good long-range scope, it looks like, from the video or the images of the rifle that I've seen laying on the rooftop. If he had a really good scope and he was a good shot, that's an easy shot.

2:40:54It's only 150 yards I think from that roof which is also Preposterous that you would allow a person to climb onto a roof than 150 yards of a guy Who's a very controversial figure is running for president. It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts You know, we interviewed a guy called Michael Francis who's a former a former head of one of the big crime families I think it was head Was he not head or was seen in a senior who's a big guy big guy? And he said when it comes to JFK, he said at the time in the mob, there was a joke where they would say, oh, we shot the wrong Kennedy. And he said that it was mob related.

2:41:34It could have been. It could have been. I mean, it could have been multiple different shooters from multiple different organizations. I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. You know, people like Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Like, that doesn't have to be the case. He might have actually even shot at Kennedy. He might have been one of the guys who shot at Kennedy. I think they had him set up to be the guy that takes the blame. Whether or not he actually pulled the trigger, he might have. I'm not opposed to the idea that he might have. What I am opposed to the idea is of one single shooter causing all that damage because it's illogical.

2:42:08It's not just illogical. It was created because they had to account for a bullet that hit the underpass. So a bullet ricocheted off one of the curb stones in the underpass and fucked this guy up. And so they found the curb that had been chipped. This guy got wounded. He got hit with a ricochet when he got treated in the hospital. So they know that was one bullet. So now they have to two bullets. One is a headshot and one goes through Kennedy's body and into Connelly's body. The problem with that is Kennedy reacts to a gunshot before Connelly ever does because Connelly wasn't hit. Connelly was hit afterwards.

2:42:41Connelly was hit after Kennedy was shot in the neck and then he was shot in the back and then he was shot in the head. Kenny was shot multiple times. The one in the neck, he grabs his neck in the beginning of the video. There's two different depictions of what that is. There's the Dallas hospital where they take him right after the shooting where they say it's an entry wound. And then in Bethesda, Maryland, they say it's a tracheotomy wound. Like they traked him, which is preposterous. He has no head. His head's missing. You put a trach pipe on a guy that has half his fucking head's missing and he's dead as fuck.

2:43:15No, you didn't. No, it's a fucking entry wound. You see him grab his neck. He got shot in the neck And it looks to me like his head was shot at the very least One time from the front at the very least one time But it might have been his head might have get hit by two bullets at the same time means there's people shooting at him I think there was multiple people shooting him from different directions and he does have a wound in his back He has an entry wound in his back. So someone probably shot him in the back, too It might have been Oswald Oswald might have shot him in the back But I think the back end to the left and the people that all called out that said there was people firing behind them in the grassy knoll, I bet that's correct.

2:43:53The whole way that they – have you ever been to Dealey Plaza? No. It's small. It's real weird. And there's a turn. Like you have to make this turn. Like if you were a sniper, you couldn't ask for a better place to set up because this guy is going 30 miles an hour or on this stupid little turn and coming straight at you and you're just sitting there in the bushes. You could peck him off. You could peck him off. The people that say that he couldn't shoot him from the windowsill, it's too hard of a shot. He wasn't a good marksman. Shut the fuck up. Anybody could do that. I could show you how to do that.

2:44:20And you could do that in my, I talked to my friend, Andy Stump. I was talking about it on the podcast. I said, give Andy a day. And he goes, fuck a day. He goes, give me a couple hours. I could teach you how to do that. It's not that hard with a good rifle. What about this JD Tippett? Yeah. It seems like Lee Harvey Oswald killed this cop. So it seems like when Lee Harvey Oswald was taking off, he had an altercation with his cop and he shot the cop. Four times. Yeah. Well, that's why I think I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. I think he was in on it. But I think he was the setup. He was the patsy.

2:44:55And they were going to have him go down for it. Whether or not he actually killed Kennedy, he might have. Look, if he shot him in the back, if that one shot from the back was Lee Harvey Oswald, maybe that would have killed Kennedy. Maybe that was the one that killed him or would have killed him before the headshot. But he was hit multiple times. Do you know what? When you read about Kennedy and then you saw the, you know, the attempted assassination of Trump, it makes you realize just how fragile societies are. Like, how different would our world be if, for instance, Kennedy survived and or Trump hadn't and vice versa?

2:45:28You know, do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Do you know, like, I remember someone asked me that question. It was like, what do you think would have happened if the bullet had been, in Trump's case, two inches further towards the right or whatever it was? You know, how different would our society be right now? Very, very different. Very different. Would it be the beginning of a civil war? Who knows? Everything could have popped off. And on top of that, who would be president? Right. Would they suspend the presidential elections and allow the Republicans to come up with a new viable candidate? Would J.D.

2:45:59Vance run for president? How would they do it? Who would be the representative of the Republicans? Would they suspend the election entirely? Would they do something where Kamala just gets sworn in by the then president Biden? Who knows? I don't know. This is why I think political polarization of the kind we've seen is so scary because, I mean, the thing that really struck me when Charlie was assassinated was this was always possible. Yeah. And the only reason it wasn't happening is we kind of had a culture of like we don't do this basically, right? Because anyone can pick up a rifle in this country.

2:46:36And that's why I really worry about the fact that people think political violence is justified. Not just justified but celebrated. Yeah. That was the creepy part. The creepy part was the celebration, the people that were celebrating. Some lady recently just lost her job because people were driving by. She was doing a No Kings protest and she started mocking getting shot in the neck. And she was a schoolteacher. Yeah. Elementary schoolteacher. Yeah. Fucking crazy people. There's a lot of crazy people out there. And some of the I mean, people are, you know, they're they're correct in worrying about the impact that these people have on their children.

2:47:13You're correct. You have a lot of crazy people that are teaching your kids. I know so many people now who are homeschooling. To be honest, there's something I'm thinking about. It's not a bad idea. I mean, the problem socially is like kids need to hang out together. Yeah. It's really important. I worry about that too. Yeah. But I mean, I think you could probably replace that with sports and good friends. And especially if you lived in a community where multiple people were homeschooling. Yeah. But then, you know, people get weirded out about homeschooling because they think it's going to, oh, that leads to religious radicals.

2:47:39You don't have to be religious to homeschool. People in this country, people connected to religious Christians, like radical Christianity. I just don't want some 25-year-old blue hair teaching my son that communism is brilliant. Exactly. Can I not have that? And the weird one is people that have no desire to have children of their own, you know, and they want to indoctrinate people's kids into their way of thinking. It's like a part of why they teach, you know. It's because they're so – this is – we were having this conversation yesterday, and I said to Constantine, the great thing about an ideology is it gives you certainty.

2:48:15The terrible thing about an ideology is it gives you certainty. That is so true. And it's also the appealing thing about it. Oh, yeah. You know, I've always been attracted to the idea that these people like really believe. Like it's fascinating when I watch like super religious people that are praying five times a day. And I'm like, that is amazing. Like look how dedicated they are to that thing. Like there's an attractiveness to that. Like, God, I wish I was like, if I was that dedicated to something, I'd probably be like way more stable in my life. Yeah. You know, because you're just locked in and everybody believes.

2:48:50And, you know, you see people talking about the religion with utmost certainty. Like, I wish I was that certain. Wish I was that certain. Those guys are so certain they're willing to die. It also gives you like a lot of inner peace. It does. Like if you don't have that, which I don't, and I've got a friend who's a devout Muslim and he's going through tough times at the moment. And I say to him, like, how do you get through this? And he's like, bro, I've got my religion. I've got God. And I know everything is going to be OK. He's a great guy. And he goes, I pray five times a day. It really helps me.

2:49:24And it makes me realize and understand that what I'm going through is part of his plan. It's part of his plan. Yeah. If you really do believe that, it definitely will help you. I haven't got there, but I have started going to church every now and again. Yeah? Yeah. Do you enjoy it? I love it. Yeah. I do too. It's a bunch of people that are going to try to make their lives better. They're trying to be a better person. And they're trying to, I mean, for me at least, the place that I go to, they read and analyze passages in the Bible. I'm really interested in what these people were trying to say because I don't think it's nothing.

2:50:00There's a lot of like atheists and secular people that just like to dismiss Christianity as being foolish. You know, it's just fairy tales. I hear that amongst, you know, self-professed intelligent people. Like it's a fairy tale. I'm like, I don't know if that's true. I think there's more to it. I think it's history. But I think it's a confusing history. It's a confusing history because it was a long time ago. And it's people telling things in an oral tradition and writing things down in a language that you don't understand, in the context of a culture that you don't understand. And I think there's something to what they're saying.

2:50:39I think there's a reason why they all have a flood myth. I think there's a reason. They all have a very similar story of catastrophic floods and chaos. And then that jives with what geologists are finding and what these people are finding that are exploring the Younger Dryas impact theory, that there was floods, massive, enormous amounts of water that are instantaneously released from melting ice caps all over the world because of comet impacts. Like it happened. There's physical evidence of this happening. And I think that's what they're trying to say in these stories. I just think it's so confusing.

2:51:17It's so confusing because you're dealing with a time so long ago. We talk about how different people live today on Earth, but way more similar today than we would be reacting or interacting with a society that existed 6 ,000 years ago. Like what are we even talking about? Like what is that like? What is the world like then? What is discourse like? Like what is – what rules are there? What protections do you have against being robbed and stolen from? And how often is war? What is life like back then? It's fucking nuts. And so you're writing things down on animal skins frantically and hiding them in clay jars in Qumran and like, I hope somebody finds this someday.

2:52:07And then thousands of years later, someone does. they find these ancient fucking scrolls and they pull them out and they're versions of stories from the Bible. So these people have been telling these same stories for thousands of years. Like, well, okay, what were they trying to say? That's what's interesting to me. I don't think it's nothing. No. I think there's something to it and there's a reason why it resonates with people. And Christianity in particular is the most fascinating to me because there's this one person that everybody agrees existed that somehow or another had the best plan for how human beings should interact with each other and behave and was the best example of it and even died in a non-violent way.

2:52:53It didn't even protest, died on the cross supposedly far since. Like it's a fascinating story. What does it represent though? That's the real thing. What was that? Like what happened? Who was Jesus Christ if it was a human being what was that that's wild well Jordan's idea is I understand it is that the point of the of the story if you like is it's about voluntary self-sacrifice it's about the fact that to have a good society people have to be willing to sacrifice something of themselves mmm for others and that's what Jesus is and that story is supposed to inspire in all of us but it's a historical human being too though yeah it's a historically documented human being that's where it gets weird because there's a there's a universal depiction of what this human being was like that doesn't seem to vary that much between all the people that knew him that gets weird you know you in if you go to jerusalem you can go to the garden of the gethsemane and for those people who don't know that's where jesus was arrested by the roman soldiers it still exists you can go there 2 000 years later and you just literally walk around this place you're just like my god like the connection to those stories it's just it's right there and also i think what the the lessons that you learn from going to church are incredibly profound something as simple so i was raised catholic as you know they'd say peace be upon you towards the end let's show each other a sign of peace yeah and you literally shake hands with the person next to you right you don't know this person you may have never met them but you shake hands with the person behind in front and whatever else yeah what an incredibly profound gesture that is just to shake hands with someone and all your anger and all your resentment and everything you feel which is natural and jealousy and you go and but you make a literal physical connection with another human being that is so powerful yeah and if you don't have something to believe in There's not a thing that you follow that you believe is making you be a better version of yourself, be a better person.

2:55:03If you're just relying on your whims and whatever you think is the moral thing to do, then you know what you get? You get those people that are unable to answer the question of whether or not you should protect an unborn fetus or whether or not they have human rights. No. No. No, they don't. And they just, oh. And they just, like, that's what you get. That's what you get when you have no religion. If you have religion, you go, wow, that's a good question. That's a very good question. And it's also as well, you know, when we look at the new atheist movement, and that's something that I really followed, you know, Dawkins and all these kind of people who pointed out the ridiculousness of certain religions, et cetera, et cetera.

2:55:44And then we don't need religion. I think that's fundamentally inaccurate. I think human beings need religion. I don't know if you need it, but it definitely can help. But I think societies need it. Yeah. But I just think it's silly to dismiss all these stories as being useless. Totally. I think they were trying to say something. Right. And I don't know what that something is, but the deeper you dive into it, the more interesting it gets. Yeah. Well, last time we had Richard on the show, if you remember, we kind of pushed him on this. Yeah. and his aunt as far as we could get is he was like well you know maybe it's a it's a story that's useful but it's still not true and i'm going well if it's useful maybe we should hang on to it for a little bit you know do we want to throw away something that's useful because we're so fixated on literal truth when this is a perhaps a metaphor for something right perhaps yeah you know um so So, yeah, I've kind of moved on that.

2:56:44I used to love all that new atheist stuff. Me too. But a lot of those guys fell apart. And a lot of those guys get real persnickety. They don't seem very enlightened. They don't seem like they're at peace, which is interesting. Because that's the true Christians that I've met. And I've met some legitimate, very charitable, kind Christians. They're some of the happiest and kindest people I've ever met. And that's borne out in the statistics as well. however I will say this though right and I think this is worth it like the best people I've ever met are Christians but also some of the worst people I've met oh sure you know what I mean well this is a real issue in Texas where this is very wealthy guys that are trying to but they succeeded in getting the Ten Commandments put in every public school but they essentially want Texas to be a theocracy they're they're nutters right they're out on the fringe you know They're firing brimstone type.

2:57:42Jesus is coming. Like them folks. Those folks are real too. That scares the shit out of me. Because I was talking to Ron White about that. Ron White's a southern guy. I've been here his whole life. He's like, be careful of them fucking really crazy Christians. Because don't think they're like regular Christians. And he's right. You get to the fringe where... And it's the same with other religions. It's not specific to Christians. Yep, yep. It's fun. It's nutters. It's just nutters. whether they're nutters as a Mormon or nutters as a Baptist. They're just nutters. They're crazy people that take things to the utmost degree.

2:58:17Do you remember Richard Pryor in Live at the Sunset Strip where he was talking about being in jail and he talked about meeting Islamic fundamentalists? He called them double Muslims.

2:58:31Oh, Richard Pryor. And that's why there's so much info. Have you ever seen that Emo Phillips bit about the bridge? it's one of the greatest jokes of all time you're going to love this what is it about it's about he meets a guy who's about to jump off a bridge and he starts talking to him and he realizes there's a lot of similarities but I'm not going to do it justice if Jamie can play it Emo Phillips can we not play it that's a four minute bit of someone else's we'll get in trouble I'll listen to it afterwards it's one of the best jokes ever what are you guys doing tonight, you hanging out? Yeah.

2:59:07Come to the club. Sure. Let's do it. Let's go. Let's do it. Sounds fun. Hey, it's always a pleasure. It's really great to see you guys. I know I'm trying to get you to leave your shitty country and come to America, but I really do hope you win over there and fix that place. I always loved England. It's an awesome place to visit. And I think what you guys do in having these conversations, I really do think is important. I think it's important for the whole world, but I think it's really important for England. Well, it's you know, the way we feel about it is it's our country man and we don't want to run away I get it, you know, we love it.

2:59:41We love our country. We we want to live You know, you talk about loving and we love England the same way you guys do if the United States was California I would have done the same right you know, but it's not right Escape so I escaped but yeah, I would have felt the same way like staying staying sorted out. Yeah Try at least try until till it gets real bad I mean, we're about to get wealth taxes by all accounts, right? So that's the next level. Well, look on the bright side. You've got digital ID now. Yeah, we're looking forward to that one. Trigonometry, it's available everywhere. It's a great show.

3:00:14I love you guys. Always great to see you. Thanks. Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you too. Bye. Bye, everybody.

3:00:31Thank you.