#2402 - Miranda Lambert

28:10That's why I like co-writing. I don't know. It's more fun to celebrate it with your friends. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up with in the green room because we're just riffing. Yeah. Like there's always a moment where like, you know, we're hanging around and Tony will say something. Well, dude, write that down. Write that down. Same thing. It's the exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because you want to be inspired and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people.

28:40Yeah. Especially people that are better than you. Yeah, for sure. Right? Yeah. It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer and great musician. We should be friends. I need to learn from you and you make me look cool. Yeah. And it kicks up your desire to do better a notch. Yeah. especially like too I've been working with younger artists and I love seeing their fire like they're like racehorses at the gate you know what I mean and it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way too yeah that's great I feel the same way about working with young comedians it's important it's good it's also it's like great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do like their first big crowd you know like Like, come on, man.

29:27This is just like a regular club. Go out there. Give me some knuckles. Right. And you see them, watch them kill in front of thousands of people, and they come back. They're like, whoa. And you're like, uh-oh. Now you got the bug. Yeah. Well, they had the bug already, but it's like you get to feel it. I get to feel it again for the first time. I've done it so many times, it's almost kind of normal. Yeah. Which it never should be normal. You know? And you get to see somebody else experience the jolt of what it feels like, that spotlight in your face and all those people in the crowd. And it's exciting.

29:55It is. And it's good. It's like it's a reminder, you know, I think it's so important. People like people ask you this, like, do you get nervous? Like I get I don't get nervous. Like I get anticipation. Yeah, that's a great word. I don't know. I'm going to start saying that because I was like, I don't really have an answer because I care and I want to do well. And I get like this. It's anticipation. It's not nerves per se. I think once you stop feeling something, really, you're doing the wrong thing. No matter what it is. I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand.

30:31Yeah. Like, here we go. I haven't stopped feeling anything yet. Here we go. This is crazy. Bang. I'm still feeling all those feels for a while. I'm sure. I don't know if that'll ever go away, right? No. Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse. No, it's not up to you. And I think that's why I like it. It's because I've grown to trust me in my gig. Like, I trust me. I trust my band. but mostly it's up to me like i'm the one sitting there for the microphone and i know my capabilities and i know what i can deliver on a hobby like golf i'm like i don't know what the hell's about to happen when i swing this this is not up to me this little type of bitch isn't moving and i can't hit it it's just like i don't know and the same thing with the horse it's like up to my horse.

31:21It's not up to me. I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride, but it's about him. Yeah, for sure. His name is Cool. That's his name? Yeah. With a K or a C? It's a C. He's cool. That's a great Morris Day in the Time song. Yeah. You never heard that song? No. Oh, it's a great song. I need to hear it. We have a theme song and I didn't know it. Yeah. We'll give her some of that. We'll have to cut this out. Otherwise, we'll get removed from YouTube, but play Morris Day in the Time Cool. This is like during the Prince days Morris Day in the time I think is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era from like the early 90s Because they got kind of eclipsed by Prince Yeah, you know because they were hanging around with Prince and they were part of like the whole Prince I don't know anything you don't know about Morris Day in the time.

32:09I don't oh my god Play cool by Morris Day in the times I'm making sure it's the right one I got a version that says it's just Morris Day and then another version popped up That said it was just the time Either way it's always going to be Morris Day Singing I don't think the time ever played without Morris Morris is cool as fuck though Here it is Alright we'll edit this out For people at home, sorry, go find this That's awesome, look at that Look at the clothes It's so corny, it's so great What year is that? Like, I don't know. It's got to be early 90s, right? 91? 81. 81! Dang. Wow! I wasn't even born on the earth.

32:51Oh, that's crazy. 1981. Wow. I was a freshman in high school. I'm an 83 baby. I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then. That's crazy. Wow. It was a weird time back then because Prince was so big that there was like a bunch of fake princes like people started imitating prince it's almost like a lot of always what happens yeah androgynous there's one and then they're like oh let's all be like that one so there's 20 more that aren't as good i know yeah there's a bunch of fake michael jacksons i'm sure there was a bunch of people that just tried to do something like what is he how what's that guy doing you know and with prince it was like what is this what's happening here very like very uniquely authentic authentically himself so even that was like trying to be too close probably a little bit you know what I mean not as good that's the problem you're not as good as Prince you're awesome you're great but Prince is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars exactly there are those there's some that just aren't from here yeah that guy was just different than everybody you know I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard a print song and I was like this is crazy like who is this guy it was I want to be your lover do you remember that fucking song and it was like this is a guy singing like a girl on stage she's like three feet tall and all the women want to fuck him like this is nuts I have never seen anything like this in my life what's happening like what did this guy do this guy's a sorcerer like what he was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage and no one cared okay and it wasn't like boo what are you dressing like a girl no one gave a fuck he was so good and so there's something about the magnetic personality that he had there was like the charisma that he had was like so undeniable that everybody was like holy shit what is this That's not taught.

34:57That's innate. You're born with that. You can't teach prints. How do you teach that? No, you don't. You grew up in Jersey, right? I was born in New Jersey. You were born in Jersey. But I only lived there until I was six. Where did you grow up? I grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from seven to 11. I lived in Gainesville, Florida from 11 to 13. Lots of moving. Yeah, a lot of moving. Then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24. Then I lived in New York. New York? In the city? For years? No. I couldn't afford parking, so I had to live outside the city. Because I'm a comedian. I had to drive everywhere.

35:32I had a lot of road gigs. That's where I made my money. Yeah. So to drive to Connecticut, Rhode Island, in the city, it was like a parking spot. It was hundreds of dollars a month back then. So I lived in New Rochelle. Okay, cool. My husband was NYPD. He retired after eight years, because I drug him down to Tennessee, and now Texas. Nice. And now he says y 'all. Does he? He says y 'all? A little bit. Unironically? How long has he been there? We've been married seven years. Okay, after five, you're not faking it anymore. All your favorite NBA players are back, and DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA, is the place to bet on NBA stars this season.

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37:21days minimum odds required nba league pass auto renews until canceled additional terms at dkng.co slash audio limited time offer uh but i i got to live up there when we first got married um we had an apartment soho and i'm from like bfe lindell texas like you know right dallas is our biggest city and and it's 80 miles like so i had so much fun like i just he was still a cop so i I just wander around all day. Like I had gigs on the weekends, but like Monday through Wednesday, I'm just like Desperate Housewives of Soho. I'm just like running around and like going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine and meet people.

38:02And it's just it's a city that like nobody cares who you are at all. They're just like. It's an amazing city. It's amazing. If you like cities. Yeah. I mean. I like visiting cities. Six months was I got my fill. I loved it. We're there a ton because his family's still there. But I just I enjoyed like really immersing because I'd never done that. And I'm not really a city girl, but I was like, I'm just going to use every bit of this that I can. Wrote some great songs, like wrote one called Fire Escape. I didn't even know what that was before. What's Fire Escape? You should walk out the door. You know, so it was it was cool.

38:41It was a cool time. But well, that would be a great place to like rewire your brain creatively to write stuff because you're forced in a totally different environment. Yeah. And the weirdest environment on Earth, in my opinion, I think the weirdest environment on Earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities. Yeah. Because I don't think that's normal at all. No, it's not. I think your whole body just goes like you're always at three or four all day long. Always. Never at zero. Yes. My husband just now, like we literally talked about yesterday. I was like, you are finally like at a regulated nervous system level.

39:18Because I think he was just used to like, just you have to vibrate at a different energy. Especially if you're a police officer, like that's a whole different, you know what I mean? And so finally like we have a farm in Tennessee and we were there for like a couple days this week and just chilling, making cookies and being normal. And it's like he's finally like enjoying that because even when I had my little time in New York City, I was like, this is a it's a lot of like I couldn't do this 24 seven for long periods of time because I just can't come down and like ground myself. Right. I need to touch grass.

39:52Yeah, I do, too. Being a cop in New York City has got to be like one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world. Yeah, I think so. That's I mean, that's right up there. like below being a soldier in war like being a cop i mean i have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field like as police officers and they're going and seeing things on a daily basis they're seeing way more carnage way more fucked up things than these guys who had served they were both they did both they were like i saw way more as a cop than i ever did right as an office it makes sense it's a lot i mean And his whole family is police officers.

40:32My whole family is firemen and police officers, too. So I think that was kind of our bond anyways. It's kind of we grew up exactly the same, just in different parts of the country. Well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts. We were always training with cops. And, you know, I'd listen to stories that they would tell me about, like, things that they got into. And they were getting into things like that, like, on a daily basis. There was always shootouts. There was always car wrecks. There was always murders and domestic violence cases. And it's like, man, how many of those guys are just walking around with severe PTSD and no one cares.

41:07No one respects. No one's talking about it. Like they're just, you know, I think that like they don't even acknowledge it themselves. Like I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his whole career. And and back in the day, like and my and my husband, like they just don't. And then they just come home and like, you know, I'd kill my hearing aids, too. He's like the dog aided. I guarantee you that he just threw it away. He fed it to put peanut butter on that fucking thing. Good job, Reclaimbert. We know what you did now. He put peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so many ways.

41:43Yeah, man. He probably needed peace and quiet. Yeah, he needs mom to hush. Yeah, everybody shut the fucking world off. Yeah. You know, one of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time, is Def. There's a guy named Shane Van Boning. Really? And he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays. So it's just silent. Yeah, just fuck off world. And he's just in his, like, people could be screaming in the crowd. He doesn't hear shit. What is it about pool? Like, what's the, you said you play pool, you like it? I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah, I've been playing forever.

42:12But what is it about that particular? Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are. They don't care what you think you are. They don't care who you know, how much money you have, you know, what you've accomplished already. How many shots you've already made? The balls don't care. The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide. And if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in. And it requires all of your concentration. And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with like English. So you're dealing with like spin on the cue ball left and right. And you're dealing with draw and follow.

42:48It's a dance of the mind and these orbs. you're hitting a ball into another ball and trying to get that thing to go straight and it just requires this complete harmony of hand-eye coordination and your spirit like you have to like stay calm while you're doing it that's why that's a very that's a very good explanation of that i'm the worst pool player i mean you would think like playing as many honky tonks as i have played that I could play pool. Most people that think they can play pool can't play pool. Most people don't know really how to play pool. Like back in my day, it was like just a place to flirt.

43:31It's that. The thing about pool is once you get down the road and you start understanding, you really start getting the game and understanding it and then playing in tournaments and then gambling. Then you're dealing with like real pool players and these real pool players play pool eight hours a day. Wow. Every day. You have to. Because you know how the thing of like being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding a horse, being comfortable like shooting a bow or playing golf? Multiply that times 100 and you have pool. Because pool is the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball.

44:08Every other game you hit a ball. You just hit a ball with a stick. But in pool you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls. Like the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot. And then the other one, you want to make sure it gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket while you're calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and avoiding collisions. It's maddening. I just got anxiety. It's maddening. I just got stressed out. It'll drive you crazy. It's a game that will drive you crazy.

44:43But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and being in dead stroke. It's a rare thing. It happens like, you know, once a month or something like that where you just can't miss. Well, you know where everything is. And it's this like calm that comes over like the world dissolves and all you feel is the table. and you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls, you know how many revolutions each ball is going to make. You feel the difference between two extra revolutions. You know how hard to hit it exactly. And that's what everybody's chasing. They're chasing this feeling of being on a dead stroke.

45:28Why does it happen once a month? Because it's so hard to get there. I'd probably get there all the time if I played like a pro, like eight hours a day. You'd probably get there once a week. But nobody stays there. But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back. Dudes do drugs just so they can get there. They get hooked on pills. They get – because they find that, like, maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's opiates, whatever it is. Like, some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to drugs just to get to that spot. From pool? From pool, yeah. Dang. Oh, it's a nutty game. I mean, I've never ever dug into it like that.

46:05Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these fucking weird places in Kentucky and weird pool. They stream it online on YouTube. They stream it on different websites. Dang. Oh, at the highest level, it is a crazy game. It's a crazy game. Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that today. I know a dude who's one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills. So he can't go overseas. He can't go anywhere. He can't travel without his pills if he does he won't play white Really? Oh, it's nuts. Yeah, it's a head game. Oh, it's that it's this is my friend Jeremy Jones He won the US Open one of the greatest players of all time He's like it is the mo any plays everything he played baseball like at a high level plays golf plays He's like it is the most mental game and really it's why nobody's good at it That's why it never gets to it never got to a place where it was like really appreciated professionally.

47:02Right. Because you have to know how to play it to understand what you're seeing. Yeah. To really see people play well, you have to know what's happening. I don't, I never, I'm not like good at any, I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them. No sports at all? I didn't really, I mean, I grew up kind of playing softball here and there. So is golf like the first thing you really? Golf is my first and my amount of shooting, which is technically labeled a sport. That's a sport for sure. So that's like, it's new to me. Like sports are new because I just, I don't know. I started this at 17 and didn't, and just was laser focused, like horse with blinders and doing country music.

47:40And then. What is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17 just being thrust into a spotlight? Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first. I was playing shitholes with no lights. But even shitholes, there's some kind of light. You're on stage. The pool light. Yeah. The full day. Well, I don't know. Like, I just, I don't know. I feel like that, I didn't have a choice. It picked me. Like, it's the only thing I've ever been good at. Everything is hard. Everything else is hard to me. But, like, music was the only thing that I was like, I guess that's what I'm supposed to do because I'm actually good at it.

48:20Like, it comes naturally. Thank God you followed it, though. So many people have a thing like that and they say, oh, that's just unrealistic. I can't do that. I didn't have a backup plan. That helped. I barely graduated high school I was like I don't want to waste my dad's money That does help Going to college I was like I have no backup plan So like it really does help The hunger that it creates Is like a fire that you can't Explain And it's not good advice I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan Because some people are not going to make it And then they'll blame you You told me I shouldn't have a backup plan But I really think that For someone who's got some talent and some a real desire to do that and you can stay the course You could deal with the hard times like you can't have a backup plan You cannot because that backup plan will rob your time.

49:11Yeah, that's the thing you have to think of it robs your focus It steals from your energy. Yeah, so it'll stop you from reaching your full potential Fuck your backup plan. Yeah, I mean didn't come from me It comes from me. Fuck your backup plan. I don't want to get blamed, but I just think that's like the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work, obviously, and determination, but just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to like stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like everything was just hard for me. Right, but that's just because you're a great singer Like that's where your mind works Like it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at Because some people some people don't they just don't know why then they suck at school They don't know why they can't pay attention.

50:07They don't know why they can't be at work on time They don't know why they're like what's wrong with me? And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, oh my god I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons exactly here i am i have found me yeah i think it's i feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to like we know like this is this is what i'm supposed to do this is what i'm gonna chase no matter what it costs and you know that doesn't i see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for and yeah and you don't and you don't know why like the why you said you don't know if it was one little factor of a period in their life or just not seen at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time.

50:52And I don't know, I feel, I feel very thankful for that. But I'm also like, trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that. You know what I mean? So now I'm like, what can we do next? Let's find another hobby. But that's a great approach, though. Yeah, that's great. I mean, it's recognizing you want to have more stuff in your life that's interesting. I think that does come, I don't know, does that come with like... Wisdom? With age? Age, wisdom, and also feeling accomplished. I mean, I feel like I set my goals, hit them. Yeah. You know, and that feels like, oh.

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53:34Yeah. Okay, let's just have some fun. Yeah. And what's the point in the whole idea of making it is like your life will be better. And you'll have, well, your life will be better if you have more fun. Yeah. Like find some stuff you like to do. Exactly. You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring. Well, I chase things that you can never conquer. That's the key. And no one told me that until I started playing golf and now it's too late. Yeah. You can't ever win. For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that. But there's always going to be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional.

54:08But you get really, really good at the things that you're pursuing. So you spend time on them. I think something's wrong with me. For sure, if I was born at a different time, I was born in the 60s. They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid. Oh, we both have it. And dope them up. A hundred percent. We a hundred percent have it. A hundred percent. I got it. Whatever that fucking is, it's a superpower. It's a superpower if you use it right. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because he can't sit in school like find out that kids good at other stuff Right find out if there's a thing that yeah Okay, maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching the math.

54:44Maybe they get bored real quick Maybe they start talking to her friends, whatever it is They probably have a thing. They're really good at if they could find that thing I bet they focus like a motherfucker when they're playing video games, right? Yeah, so what's that all about? You know find the thing that that kid can lock into 100 % yeah the thing is like you make people do things that are completely unnatural you make people sit down when they're six In a chair why some lady who's making thirty five thousand dollars a year doesn't like kids is teach them some shit that she doesn't care about So there's no energy in the room everything and then when they're out in the yard with their friends are having fun And they're laughing This is bullshit.

55:27This class sucks. And they're talking to each other and they get in trouble for talking. Like, oh, your child's a problem. Is the child really the problem? Seems like the child has a lot of energy. That's not a problem. Yeah. You're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind. Just turning you into a dull drone, some worker that just is capable of shutting themselves off all day. and then showing up and then just doing some stuff that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were a kid. Like, bleh. I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was.

56:03Like, even when I was in school, it was kind of just like Lindell ISD. Like, everybody learns the same. Everybody goes to the same class. You know what I mean? And I just – my mom says I learned differently. She tries to say it not quickly. You learned differently? Differently. But looking back, it's the same. Like you just described my entire existence as a student. Well, it's not just yours. It's mine and I think it's most people's. You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was, well, science. I always enjoyed science and I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. But even my art, I had a shitty art teacher in high school.

56:38It was like a failed artist who was like really negative. And he kind of He kind of ruined the vibe Yeah, like not really but ruin the idea of me doing it as a profession. I was like god I have to be around people like this Like this guy's gross. He was just like so negative right bitter just sad just a sad old dude I always remember he like like he ate a basketball like his whole body was But his belly you know now I know like I probably drank himself to sleep every night Well, he was you sad as an artist trapped in his own live too like they could i mean also it wasn't that good of an artist that's part of the problem part of the problem was he needed a backup plan well i just don't think he was he had a lot of fire in in him when it came to anything and i think the the art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human and he saw these young kids that were talented i was pretty talented i was like the third best kid there's a kid named kevin that was like a little better than me and then a kid named John, who was the best guy in our class.

57:42And John told me like a year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth. And John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, okay. So it wasn't just me. That guy's a piece of shit. Because John was the best artist I'd ever seen when I was a teenager. And we were all like, fuck, this guy's like the art world. We're out. So none of us became artists. That's sad. Oh, it was just this. That was what this guy wanted. Yeah. What this guy wanted was to kill dreams. I feel like it's so, especially in that, like how old were you? When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year in high, but by then I was also traveling and fighting.

58:20By then I was, that was like when I heavily got into martial arts. So by the time I was 17, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country. That's crazy. That's why I started making money playing music at 17. You were senior year of high school? Yeah. Wow. Wow. So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends. Yeah. And I mean, I was also very big into church choir and stuff. And so I'm like at the honky tonk till four in the morning because I was the house band. And then I'm like dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible. Like, no wonder y 'all kicked me out of youth group, you assholes.

58:56That's hilarious. I probably deserved it. That's hilarious. Like, what'd you do last night? Like my mom had to like go with me for the first like first like three months of my house gig because I couldn't get in till I was 18 and I was playing in the house band. So she'd be like, oh, good. You can drive and I can drink beer and listen to y 'all play. Oh, that's hilarious. But yeah, but it's funny what you're talking about teachers. Like I feel like there's there's some that just really there's that turning point where you meet that one teacher or someone that in your childhood or high school years that turns things around for you.

59:28I got like, when you're talking about our teacher, this teacher named Miss Caldwell, and she taught speech. And I was a terrified, literal, the shyest kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities. And like, I couldn't get a word in edgewise, so I just didn't talk until I was like 16, because they just wouldn't shut up. They're just constantly, dad's telling little cop stories about his vash days. And my mom's a PI, so she's telling all her cool stories. And so I just was really shy. and my little brother was same he's five years younger and like we just weren't very like vocal and I somehow got forgot I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes you know like my junior year of high school and I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot and it was speech honors and it was a debate class and like that is not my vibe I was panicking my mom came up to the school I was sobbing I was like I can't do this I don't even speak hardly and but I was singing like here and there i was singing in church like i could do it if i was singing but like still shyly singing you know what i mean like kind of in the background and my mom was like we got to figure this out the school was like well there's not really any room for her any other classes and whatever and it was an honors class like this girl was like barely passing every class except choir like they just allowed you to enter into that class they just Somehow.

1:00:53And so then I think looking back, like Miss Caldwell and the principal met with my mom and she looked at Miss Caldwell and she was like, can she do this? And she was like, she needs to do this. And so and I had to debate like against these seniors and real smart kids. Right. And but it really brought me out of my shell. And so I'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher. I'm thankful that Ms. Caldwell was like, no, I see potential in this girl. And if she's going to, because I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like, if she's going to be a singer, she's going to have to learn to be in front of people.

1:01:26And to like show her personality and come out of her shell. And it really like changed my world because then I started playing in bars and I started to like come into my personality a little bit. Because you can't do this if you don't have, if you aren't confident and have confidence in who you are. Right. And the ability to be who you are in between songs. That. That is a really important part. Yeah. And that's where people get to see you. Yeah. So I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Miss Caldwell. Love you. Damn, Miss Caldwell killed it. She killed it. Yeah. That's beautiful to have a teacher like that.

1:02:03And anyone can speak. The anxiety about like, oh, I could never public speak. Like, yes, you could. You just, it's not impossible. Can you talk to me? Okay. Then you can talk to a bunch of people. You can do it. You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out. But it's not like breathing underwater. You could totally do it. It's so scary to me. I mean, honestly. Like, you're so good at it. Also, comedians, like, that to me is the scariest of all the showbiz that you could pick is that. Yeah. It's one of them. It's incredibly. That's kind of what I like about it, though. I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it.

1:02:40So you'll be like a big fish. That's why I got into fighting. That's why I got into comedy. It's like – let's say if you want to be a lawyer. You know how many people are trying to be a lawyer? Right. Oh, my God. You got to go to law school. You got to get a degree. You got to pass the bar. You got to get hired by some sort of a law firm and you got to try cases and what are you doing? Like a lot of people trying to be lawyers. Yeah. Because there's a clear pathway. But if the pathway is like foggy, like how do you be a professional fighter? Like, oh, I'll go that pathway. Like no one's doing that like the people that are doing that are all crazy Like those are my kind of people or if you the pathways how to be a comedian like oh, yeah All these people are all misfits.

1:03:23This is perfect. These are my people like this is perfect I'll go do that like this is like I'm in short of being around like-minded interesting people. Yeah That's a great way to look at it. Well, I just think I always think about how Like the first time you step on the stage and you're you know, you're showing all your cards like you remember your first time well but for a comedian to me it's like songs songs are different like yeah you know every the first game you play the first whatever everybody has their first time that they're like learning their their ropes and how to get their feet under them but but that's just so raw like here's my jokes here's my whole heart yeah here's i hope you think this is funny like i just every time i see it i'm like that is the hardest thing in show business.

1:04:09Period. The first time I ever did it, I was still fighting and I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like literally eight hours a day for my whole life for six years. And then I was more scared going on stage at an open mic night than I'd ever been fighting. Ever. That makes sense to me. But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like, this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me. I was like, why am I so nervous? That makes sense to me. It's something you, well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people. I didn't even think I was good at it.

1:04:40My friends told me I was good at it. And they only told me I was good at it was like we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified. We'd all be like really nervous. And I would be the humor. It was gallows humor. So I would be the guy cracking jokes. I would be the guy doing impressions of each other, like of different friends, like what they'd be like having sex or whatever it was. And making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff. Yeah, and my friend Steve who I'm still friends with to these days. He was a grown man and I was like 15 at the time and To this day, he's still one of my best friends, but he told me he's like You should be a comedian like you're funny It's like and I was like you're you think I'm funny because you like me I go but other people can think I'm an asshole like my sense of humor is fucked up And he's like you should just go to open mic night and I did and I went to know Mike nine And I was like, oh, everybody sucks.

1:05:32Oh, this is fine. I was like, you go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling. I thought everybody would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I'm going to get killed up there. This is going to be terrible. And then I realized like, oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible and then you try and then you get better and then you figure it out. And then, you know, it's like, but I just wasn't, I was just stunned by how scared I was more than anything. Yeah. Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage at a honky tonk? Yeah. It was a...

1:06:04How old were you? 16. It was a True Value Country Showdown, the Rio Palm Island, Longview, Texas. Wow. Yeah, and I was scared to death. Because I was like the shy kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too. You're going to love this. He's a cop and a songwriter? My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. and he had a band his cop band on their side gig was all narcs and they were called contraband they were a country band called contraband can you even that's a great name it's the best that's a great that's funny yeah but he wrote songs so i was like i'm gonna enter this contest my mom was like shocked i went i was like working in the yard she's like go pick the weeds i'm like mom there's a ad on the radio for a contest called the true value country showdown and i want to enter it She was like, what?

1:06:51You don't even talk. You don't. You're too shy. Like, are you kidding me? And I was like, no, I want to do it. And she was like, what are you going to sing? You had to sing an original song. And I sang one of my dad's. Oh, wow. What was the song? It was called. Gosh, now I can't think of it. Too many song titles in my head. Way too many. It's like Dunbar's number. Here I go again. That's what the title is. Oh, OK. And so like, because I grew up on like forever. I thought my dad wrote like Mama Dried because I grew up with him. just playing John Pryde and Haggard and David Allen Coe and Guy Clark, you know.

1:07:25So I started to realize, oh, some of these are like my dad's originals and some of those are more Haggard's. They're not just dads. But like I got up there and I got I didn't win, but I it was like my first. OK, like you were just saying, it was my first like, OK, maybe I can I can do this. Like I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but like I I'm not terrible. Like I'm kind of equal with these guys. You know what I mean? We're all babies. Yeah, it was. And it was, I don't know. I think that's the first time I was like, okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me. That's not so hard to learn.

1:08:08You know what I mean? Yeah. Do you believe in fate? Yeah, I do. You probably should. Yeah. Right? Because it worked out. Yeah, exactly. That's my bias about fate. like if anybody should believe in fate it's people like you or I but I'm not sure my bias is that I believe in it because it worked out yeah you know but I mean if your life is shit and you're like is this fate like what did I do in a past life like what kind of an asshole was I that everything just turned out so terrible you know well there's there I mean I don't know I I feel like I also met my husband in like a crazy way. And so I can't help but believe in fate.

1:08:50There's something to it. Yeah, I believe in it. Yeah, there's something to it. As much as my mind, my rational mind wants to ignore the possibility, like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all. Do you really think it matters what you do? Do you really think, but it does to you, right? It has a giant impact on your life and everything matters. just because there's black holes doesn't mean your fucking your homework doesn't matter you know everything matters right your whole world everything matters it's like you can't think that things don't matter like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life but it seems to have a plan for everything yeah i mean all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason all of it together so i'm sure that there's something to fate but it's just my rational mind wants to go that's just your ego it's like silly you could have been bored in Somalia you know life could have sucked for you you know it's it's hard to because fate's a weird one like you can't measure it can't put it on a scale but it seems to be real yeah well it's real for us so then it's real I guess also I'm like your ceiling is giving me yeah I love it the little shooting stars yeah and you were like fate is real and it was like boom and i was like yeah it is if i don't tell people i didn't tell you but sometimes people i love it they're like am i having flashbacks like what's going on it's awesome that's what i love about west texas something about like it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere like the stars are they feel like they're we call it the thunderdome when we're we like lay in the yard and it just feels like they're you could reach up and grab them because it's so dark out there yeah it's magical well Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution.

1:10:40Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that ruins the world. Yeah. That's the problem with New York City. That's why everybody's so stupid. They're like so like stuck in their own world just because like they don't realize they're in space. Exactly. You know? Yeah. You don't get that break. Yeah. No breaks. There's a break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else where you just like look up and go, oh, yeah. Okay. I'm taking all this shit way too seriously. Yeah. This is nuts. It's like just above us. It totally is. And also when you said that, it made me think of what we were talking about earlier about wisdom and like, I don't know, just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, okay, everything's okay.

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1:13:39I don't know what they are, but I like zins. Here, try these. These are strong, though. Oh, like what? Sixes? Nine. Oh, I'll pass out. Yeah, don't do it. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. This is strong. This one's not? Yeah. These are nines. Oh, you got some fours? Oh, check me a four, son. What's the Lucy's? Why are they different? They have like a little thing inside of them that they're called breakers. So it's like coffee flavor that you put in your mouth. Just like it then? Uh-huh. Yeah. And you crack that little sucker open. It gives you a little blast of flavor. That one's like a little piece of cupcake.

1:14:20A little piece of candy in there for you. Those are fours, right? So it's not bad. That's so nice. Four's nice. If I get it growing out of here. Already couldn't concentrate because of the shooting. I saw a dude online. He got a 50 milligram one from overseas. What? Yeah. And he tried it and, you know, he was violently ill, lying on the ground. Why would you do that? Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like so he could get some online cred just for the views. Did it for the gram. Did it work? I mean, I guess people. I watched it. I wanted to see. I'm like, you're going to take a 50? Oh, you're fucked, dude.

1:14:58and he said, oh my God, it's like drinking battery acid. And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it. He's like, I really fucked up. I made a giant mistake. Because it's so much nicotine. 50 milligrams is crazy. But you're so into health and take such good care of yourself. What is the bit? I just tell people, oh, they're good for you. Have one. What do you think? Tell me your opinion of these. This whole craze. Nicotine is not bad for you. The delivery method is what's bad for you. And the delivery method with cigarettes in particular with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them.

1:15:33That's even worse. Like the regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not as bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician who was on here, was explaining to us like why regular cigarettes are not as bad. But it's still not good for you to be smoking in your lungs. But nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine itself actually is a nootropic, which means it's cognitively enhancing. So nootropics are like vitamins that help brain function. And there's a bunch of them. Like we have some stuff called Alpha Brain that's great. I've seen that.

1:16:13There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of a nootropic. But there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. They can enhance peak alpha flow state. Like they've done like real, they've done two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory with alpha brain. It shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past like nine months before they did this. Like this is pretty impressive. So nicotine does that too. Nicotine enhances your memory, enhances brain function, enhances, it stimulates you.

1:16:50So there's a lot of benefits to nicotine. But the problem is, like, how do you take it? How are you taking your nicotine? Probably one of the best ways is maybe gum. These things... People are wearing patches now and stuff. Fucking crazy people. That's Ron White. He wears a goddamn patch. What are you doing, Ron? I got a patch on and I'm smoking. He's got a cigar. He's got a Zin. Fucking animal. but so good he's such an animal but I think there's there's real benefit I know a guy who puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes that makes sense to me like I feel like because all the songwriters are you know right now everybody in Nashville is sitting and I'm like I'll try one and it like really does give you a little stimulant yeah and also have a lot of words in my head I need to remember words and I also need to write new words.

1:17:49So anything to help with that. Anything you want, if you want help with memory, Alpha Brain's a really good one. I want to try that because I just think like at some point too when you're tired, you know, it just feels like you can't, I mean, you just saw me lose my train of thought. It's like, I don't want to be on like a bunch of Adderall and stuff. I want to find a different method to like have my brain functioning the best it can. These are addictive though. And I got to say, different people have different levels of like how addicted they get with these. Like some people can't not have them.

1:18:23I went on vacation. I said, I'm going to go on vacation and not bring any and see what happens. See if I freak out. Just to see. And nothing. Zero. Nothing. It was like I kind of missed them maybe for a day or two. Like wanted one. Didn't have any. And then after like three days, I was like, oh, this is fine. It's not like a physical like, oh, my God, I'm jonesing. It's not like smoking. I'm a shaking. Yeah. Yeah. But I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle. I mean, it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine. I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of. The vapes.

1:18:55Like, that's, I don't want heat on my voice either. Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is. If you buy them ones that are, like, in the gas station, like, who knows where those are being made. But, like, the ones that heat up. Oh, yeah. The crazy ones. I like that. Adam Curry. Do you know who Adam Curry is? He's the first podcaster. He used to be the MTV DJ. Yes. The guy with beautiful air. Yes. Good friend of mine. He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes. Those big old crazy ones. Where you're blowing. And it makes like noise. It's got like a power bar on the side of it. It's so loud.

1:19:30It's so ridiculous. And then he blows this giant. But it's all like he fills it with natural oil. So it's air quotes healthy. Air quotes. Yeah. That's what people say. They smoke American spirits. Yeah, it's healthy. Come on, there's an Indian on there. Yeah, exactly. How come they get away with that? Are American spirits owned by Native Americans? No? So how the fuck do they have a Native American on there and not catch any slack? They do, right? Don't they have an... It's a badass package. They've gotten in trouble in the past for stuff. Did they? I'm not getting into it. Oh. I'm not getting into tobacco company problems.

1:20:08He's like, uh, and pivot. Did you ever see that movie the insider with Russell Crowe? I think it's about a guy works for a tobacco company that is explaining he was a chemist news explaining how they Added all these different things to make it more addictive and they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that Information getting out. He's the insider. It's kind of crazy movie and based on a true story. Wow. Yeah They put a bunch of shit in cigarettes to try to get you hooked. Well, then they do it I mean, it works. It does. That's the hardest one. I feel like it's the most you hear people talking about trying to quit.

1:20:45That and drinking to me. You know what I mean? Just on the daily. I'm in a band. So everybody's like, oh, I quit. Now they're all like, you got a zen? You got a zen? Yeah. Because it's just highly addictive, I guess. It is, but people want something. They just want something to take them out of whatever state they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. like everybody I know that's an Alcoholics Anonymous they all smoke or drink tons of coffee. It's either or both. Yes. Because they just want to do something. Something's not going to make me suck dick for bus fare but I'm at least get a little bit of something different than regular life.

1:21:22I don't want to be homeless. I don't want to be cracked out. But give me something. Just give me a little something to take me away from wherever I am right now. Not that far away. Just a little bit away. Just a little next door. Let me go next door and hide. I'm going to start saying that one. I'm like, can I have a Zen? I need to go next door. Yeah, I'm going to go next door. Just a little bit. I don't want to go too far away. I can hear everybody. Am I supposed to break this little candy thing? I do. Yeah, I break it right away. It's cracked down on that little sucker. What's in there? Probably candy.

1:21:53Nice, right? That's like a little burst of happiness. A little burst of flavor. I went next door. I like those. I like those. That's funny. My buddy Duncan found out that his blood sugar goes up when he vapes because he was buying those gas station vapes. And, you know, he got type 2 diabetes because he was eating too much sugar. He's OK. Don't worry. But he realized because he monitors his blood glucose that like when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof. I go, OK, why do you think that is? Like, why do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the fuck do you think is in there, bro?

1:22:28You're eating candy all day. Like you're vaping on sugar. Oh, it's like sugar oils? Yeah. Yeah. It has to be. Yeah. It has to be. I mean, if it's like grape flavored or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. There's some... Also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things. It stinks. It's probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a video on TikTok of these dudes testing them. Some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory. What's going to happen to him? I don't know what's going to happen to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on.

1:23:02Nobody cleans those things off. You just get them at the gas station and stick it right in your mouth. That's like a karaoke mic. Yes. That's nasty. So nasty. Okay, I'm spinning this out. Pause, pause. Oh, you're getting rid of it? Ooh. It's like a buzz. Yeah, like a little buzz. Yeah, a little next. You went next door. Yeah, I like that. Excuse me, I'm going next door. Yeah. So anyway, nicotine vapes, I don't think they're good for you, folks. Sorry. Because people thought they were healthier for you than cigarettes. But it turns out, like, no. Not only are they not. Yeah, here's the state. Oh, God.

1:23:36Look, he's testing all of them. All those cute little pink ones. He's got to make sure they all work. By the way, how hooked is that guy? That guy must be. That's awful. Fucking hooked. Where is this taking place? I have no idea. Does it say in the. That guy has to test all of them. Oh, my God. I would like to see, like, what that guy's. Look, that guy looks like he's 15 years old. Did you see the bottom? No. It says 7 ,000 to 8 ,000 tests per day. That's terrible. Bro, test his lungs. Because there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting. Yeah, I've heard of that. The thing about these things is that they're very, very addictive.

1:24:12They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method. And the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want. The first vape of the day, I would take a vape and be like, this is wonderful. Like this feeling is wonderful. It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day. The rest of the day you're sucking on this thing going. Yeah. Nope, nothing. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling. Yeah. You have to have no nicotine in your system. And then you have that one hit. It's like welcome me into your life.

1:24:49Do you get like, do these people get like that feeling from those patches? I don't think so. I think the patches just make you... Like a little Adderall-y? Yeah, it's like... I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they? Do they have an Adderall patch? I don't think so. No? Adderall's a sketchy one. I had someone here the other day was telling me they were doing Adderall right before. I did an Adderall just so I'm ready. It's like... It's a writing. It's very helpful for writing. Oh, I'm sure. It's like you don't want to have... I don't want to need it. So that's why I was like, what brain thing's going to take?

1:25:21Yeah. What are Lucy's? What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch. There it is. Oh, sure are. ADHD treatment that lets you control your time, your way. They always say that. Like, look, there's a woman who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on, her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a controlled posture. Look at her posture. I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control. A meth patch. Please, Lord, no. You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug So you could focus on I definitely don't want a patch of that Yeah, no thanks I don't need it, maybe somebody needs it I don't want to judge But the reality is, that stuff The amphetamines in any shape or form Are highly addictive And they're passing them out like candy My daughter's in high school And a bunch of kids in high school Have, air quotes, ADHD And because of ADHD They get Adderall and then also they get more time on tests because they got ADHD.

1:26:26They can't focus. So they're fucking on speed. Strix of the trade. Yeah. So because it's very competitive and parents want to get their kids into colleges. They're, you know, getting their kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already hooked on too because a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it. Yeah. And you can tell those folks because they come to the parent-teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up. And they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh my God. Raise your hand. They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did.

1:26:53Oh, my God, I love that episode that you did with the guy about climate. Your eyes. They're so cracked out. They're so obviously cracked out. And there's a lot of people out there just running around cracked out, but they feel like they got it from the doctor. The doctor gave me this. I'll tell you, 30 milligrams, and I'm just a better person. I think it's better about all tasks. I'm actually – My house is – I like talk to that person daily. Like I feel like those people are everywhere. They're everywhere. Yeah. Well, we looked it up. So use Perplexity, which is one of our sponsors, and find out how many prescriptions for Adderall they wrote in, let's say, 2024.

1:27:28Let's take a guess. How many do you think? I mean, I could not even ballpark that. I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at least. It's probably a lot more, but I'm going conservative, and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024. What do you want? You want a guess? Yeah. Take a guess. 40, I don't know if you're saying 51. 51. You're probably closer. I bet it's like 90. I bet it's nuts. I hope it's not. I bet it is. Because it's like individual people refilling prescriptions. You know, I don't think it's like 90 million patients, but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists.

1:28:07I bet like most people that are writing things. Yes. Yeah. I bet that in, what is it? Okay. How many Adderall prescriptions were written in 2024? According to Plexi, 45 million Adderall prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we were both in the middle. Yeah. What did you go, 51? Yeah. I said 40. Commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy, this number follows several years of notable growth. Huh. Weird. More people need it. It's up since 2019. Look at that. Yeah. Notable growth. Data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the COVID-19 pandemic.

1:28:45And shortages affected. I'll stop. 2019, it was only 35. Interesting. So it's up 10 million. Whew. That's crazy. 41.4 million in 2021. And 45 million by 2023. I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally, too. Like, what's that number? Okay, let's. That's because there was that shortage. Right. And they've recovered from it. Mm-hmm. Well, also, once the shortage started, people got dealers. Sure. But people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too. That's a very different thing. I've heard a lot about that. Yeah, microdosing mushrooms, that's a very different thing than Adderall. Yeah.

1:29:26That's like the opposite of Adderall. Yeah, even if it's for focus, right? Well, I'm sure it'll help you focus. On something. Yeah, but you've got to mind your P's and Q's when it comes to your dosages. Also, where are you getting it from? That's just scary for me. I'm like, where is it from? Like, did you just go to the cow pasture? Because that's like what teenagers do when I heard they were doing mushrooms. Like, they're like cow tipping and going. I mean, I'm from East Texas. Yeah. Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin.

1:29:59They found them on cow poop. Yeah. But the thing about that, though, is like you've got to get them from somebody who knows what they're doing. Yeah. They're all different, and you can get some that are crazy strong. Like there's some out there that will knock you into another universe. So what do you do? Are you just eating a cap? Are you paying attention to the – are you getting them in pill form? Who are you getting them from? Like I have a friend who – They're all my questions too. Gets them from a friend, and I was like, who's the guy? Who's the guy? You're not seeing these things get packaged?

1:30:33Just get the fuck out of here. It's a little shady. Super sketch. Yep. Super sketch. Yep. And they all – it's like marijuana edibles before the legality in California. When it was medical, it was crazy because now they – because of the regulations in California, I think the most they could make them is 10 milligrams, which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that, when it was medical, like it became medical in the 90s, they would make 500 milligram Chiba chews. These things that like – they're 500 milligrams. Which is insane. It puts you in another dimension. I never even heard of that. They're so strong.

1:31:14And my friend Joey, who's a real demon. Joey used to take the wrapper off of 25 milligram ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead. Oh, he's a real demon. And he would just laugh because he can tolerate insane doses. So he would give people preposterous amounts. I have a songwriter friend and I love her dearly. But whatever she says, do this. I'm like, do a quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public. Do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that. Some people have ridiculous tolerances. For marijuana. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. For anything. I'm just over here taking a Lucy from a random dude.

1:31:57It's only four milligrams. It's minor. It wasn't that bad, right? I would never, like the nine I would have told you. That's like a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. I have 12s. What do you use those for real busy days? I don't like them. They jolt me too much, but I have them This is just because Lucy sent them to me, but I think the right dose is three or four. That's right It's just a little pick me up just a little Not the cracked out not the cracked out soccer mom. Yeah, not the cracked out not out. I've never tried Adderall I'm scared of it I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it because I'm like I need to know what everybody's fussing about Because everybody I know this try it is like don't try it.

1:32:35You'll love it You'll love it. You'll fucking love it. It is focus. I mean, it is. It really hones in. I have a buddy of mine, and his wife told him to stop because he was snorting it because he was writing. That's insane. He's like, that's the best way to get it real quick. And he was like to his wife, he's like, why do you care how I do it? She's like, you're snorting drugs while the kids are asleep. He's like, okay. Yeah, it's a little far, dude. Slow your roll. He's not an addict, though. He just felt like - He's not an addict, though. He's not an addict. It felt like you had to snort to really get the most out of it quickly.

1:33:07Well, everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something. Because I think if you take it as a pill, it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in, and he didn't have an hour. So he's like. I have a deadline. Yeah. Does your friend that disappears, does he like have, he doesn't have phone, no digital, nothing? No nothing. I wonder if that digital detox is like one of the hardest ones, I feel like. It's got to be the hardest. Yeah. I've done social media detoxes for multiple days and you genuinely feel better. And then you go, why am I doing this to myself where I don't do this all the time?

1:33:41Something that's annoying, if I can just say it, is that when people do take a break from social media, that's all they tell you about the whole time. Well, I'm on a break from social media. I'm like, can you be on a break without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media? Right. They have to tell you how virtuous they are. I am actually gonna break social media unlike you my cool, bro you you little addict Scrolling through cat videos scrolling. Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling Yeah, it's like people who do yoga. They can't shut the fuck up about it Yeah, like a special special tech like a special diet like oh, yeah Oh, you're hearing about it.

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1:35:39Do it as a spiritual growth. Like, just like an exercise. It's your little secret with yourself. Yeah, your little secret with yourself is you're not on social media. So don't tell me. My favorite is people who are on social media making fun of people that are on social media. Because there's a lot of like really not self-aware people. They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media. Like that's rich. It overwhelms me, honestly. I'm trying to you can't keep up with it. So I just try. I don't try to keep up with it. Like I was just talking on the way here.

1:36:15I was like, maybe I need to get on TikTok. it's like there's a lot of music on tiktok like there's a lot of musicians and like yeah we have a label now called big loud texas um our office is in austin and i'm like i know there's amazing talent on there and one of our flagship artists dylan gossett posted something awesome on there and now he's out there crushing it so i feel like i'm missing out but then i'm like do i need one more thing like i don't know it's like this do you have an assistant battle yeah and i have a great management team this is great get your assistant on tiktok and then tell them to let you know if anything's cool and show it to you she did that and we signed a guy his name's alice you got it that's what happened perfect that way you don't have to be on it right so you could avoid it and she'll be a net that catches all the good fish cameron it's all you girl yeah it's all you girl so like she'll catch the good fish yeah you don't have to go by the river yeah just stay off that tiktok river i needed i needed that talk today because we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today because it's a raging i'm scared yeah you should be scared i'm like i'm already like oh everything's just a lot of information all the time i know for me it's like a show of force when i leave my phone on the nightstand when i go to the bathroom it's like i'm gonna take a shit without my phone do you tell everybody nope see just told you see good just told you see you're not one of those you're not like i'm on a social media break No.

1:37:36My wife has like an app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media. Like if you want to go on social media, you have to go into the app, enter a password, and open everything up. I think that's so smart. Oh, yeah. And she showed me the other day. It was like 90 hours. I was like, that must feel so good. She's like, you feel different. You feel different. It's not good for you. Bad for everybody. No, but we need it. But for some things, I get it. It's great for artists. It's great to promote your work. It's great for comedians to put clips up. It's great for musicians to put songs out there.

1:38:08It's great. It is great in a lot of ways. I'm so happy it exists. Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started. Like, I did it old school. Like, boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door saying, can I play a song? Really? Yes. Like, have you ever seen Loretta Lynn's life story? Have you ever seen Cole Miner's Daughter? Yes. That. Like me and my mom with the bologna sandwich in my mom's Ford Expedition, like driving around all over Texas, me going, I'm a singer-songwriter. And now I'm like, dang, I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now.

1:38:42Yeah, but I think you probably developed so much character doing it the way you did it. Yeah, I'm thankful for that. But I'm also like, well, damn. These kids, they just post something and like 100 million people see it in a night. Like what's happening? Well, the problem with that is like sometimes people get fame they're not really ready for yet. And I think. 100%. Doing what you did and going to bars and then eventually becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself. That is so much better than being like a 20-year-old kid that sits around and comes up with a song.

1:39:24I'm like, look at Oliver Anthony. All right. Oliver Anthony is a good friend of mine. He was selling fucking farm equipment. He makes that Rich Men North of Richmond song. And all of a sudden, he's a giant superstar. And he's like, dude, I had a phone call with him while it was going down. Was he just like, help? Like, I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, he's like, people are offering me money. I go, don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody. I go, you don't need anybody. You already did it, right? You've got talent and you're already famous, right? You just made a giant hit song. Don't give away any of you.

1:40:00Yes. Don't sell it. You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I got to strike while they are in song. I'm like, fuck those people. They don't know what they're talking about. You could do this again. You can do this again and again and again. And now that you already did it, it's going to be way easier the second time because everybody's going to be waiting to see what you say next. Yeah, I know. And that's like, also, nobody, you can't learn. It's like you do the journey in reverse. Well, he did the first show he ever did was a giant sold out the first time he ever performed live giant sold out show when he was already famous It's so mind-boggling I can't even like put it in words Because I'm thinking like how you get your chops and how you you did it fight by fight You did it stage by stage when doing comedy like it just happened so fast and it's like And then you still have to pay the dues, but it's just backwards The thing is, though, he paid the dues as a regular blue-collar human being working.

1:40:57Yeah, he did, for sure. And that's where he developed his character. Yeah. So that when it all came, he's like, oh, my God, I just stepped into a magic story. Right. Like, he had a regular story. Right. And then all of a sudden, the genie came along, and abracadabra, the internet. And the internet just put that song out there, and everybody's like, holy shit, this song's great. And all of a sudden, he's hugely famous. but he had character for someone that being a real person 17 you know what i mean yeah yeah it scares me i'm just like we still got to go do the work now you still got to start developing who you are now even though the world already knows who they think you are you know it's almost impossible if you start too young like we were talking about that with michael jackson the other day that like no one can teach you how to do that and no one survives that everybody who's famous when they're a little kid they're all fucked up no one no one gets it comes with a really high cost you can see it yeah i always make the analogy that's like you're making cement but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it right like if you don't put enough water in or you don't put enough sand in that cement sucks it's always going to be fucked up and that's what it's like when you're a kid and you get famous like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly right i think that like that's why i'm glad i you know i didn't go to college but i got to have the the learning times of just being 17 18 19 20 like just learning life like while playing music but it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere it wasn't in front of people you know what i mean and i you get to build your character you get to figure out who you are and that's why I think the down by the river and the tick tock river I've learned two things I'm going to refer to it as down by the river and I need to go next door the tick tock river yeah it's a raging river too that's a scary ass river that river never stops it never stops which we're thankful for it too by the way like I found some great talent and learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs you know yeah there's the good things about it there's great things it's it's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with that we've never figured out how to there's no real like precedent on how to navigate this especially as a child no children ever grew up with it before well these are the first children that are growing up with it yeah and no one can tell them how to do it right we can just observe what's going wrong with it yeah it's real sketchy yeah it's it's real weird And people say to me, like, do you let your kids on social media?

1:43:36I'm like, yes. Because they have to be able to handle it. And they have to know what it is. But also don't do it. One of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone. She never goes on social media anymore. How old is she? She's 15. So she stays off of it. And she'll watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos and stuff like that. But, like, social media, she's like, it just doesn't. I don't like it. It's not good for you. And it gets in the way of schoolwork. And it gets in the way of stuff she's doing. So she stays off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15, I'd be fucked. I would have been fucked.

1:44:09I was so dumb. Oh, no. I don't believe that for a second. I'd have been TikToking all day. I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos, try to get attention. That's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form they're trying to get better at. If you make a great song and you're 17 years old and it goes viral, at least you're doing a thing like you're doing an art thing 100 you're not just trying to get attention and there's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing they're just trying to get attention if you ask young kids like what do you want to do when you grow older when you when you grow up a lot of them like a giant percentage of them just want to be famous i was about to say that like i saw that whatever that study was and i read about it and it was like but famous for what like you just want to be famous but what what skill or what trade or what like what are you just famous why kim kardashian why in the world like that sounds awful because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you and that's a person that's an important person you know a lot of people just want to be an important person they want to be a person with the nice stuff like look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this and they just want to be an important person and the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous yeah like kim kardashian is one of the most famous people alive she doesn't do anything it's not like a thing like we could point to oh she's like the best she's the best painter she's the best singer nope nothing zero zero things super famous worth a billion dollars and then kids are like that's what i want to do especially if they're dumb and And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb.

1:45:59And those people never thought they would ever be famous before. But now you can be dumb and famous. I mean, that's a statement. Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything. Like maybe you can be dumb, but you're like the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great. And you're famous. But no, you're dumb and you're famous and you don't do anything. You're not good at a thing. You're just... There's no fulfillment in that, right? I know, right. There can't be. There's not. even if you're not great at the thing or a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it but you are working on it or whatever there's fulfillment in that there's yeah there's like an accomplishment like i paint folk chickens and i'm terrible at it you what a little just folk art chickens i don't even know why i have no idea why and they're not good at all you make paintings of chickens i just paint them on little canvases what's a folk chicken well i just call it folk art because it's bad and when i look up folk art i'm like oh i can do that like some folk art's amazing but i look up like folk art for beginners and i'll like get inspired i'll be like oh i could i could do that i've never heard that genre before look it up it's kind of it's anything and everything jamie will you please look up folk art what is the definition of folk art that kind of stuff oh okay reflect the cultural life of a community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage.

1:47:21Huh. It's a 19th century concept. I don't know anything about it. I just am drawn to it because I think it's cute and fun. Do you have any of your stuff online? No. It's like in my backpack. I'm not going to show anybody. This is... It's like a painting for my mom because she has to hang it up. That's interesting. Still like, Mom, she put it in her kitchen. I didn't know that that was a... Show me some more of those images. I didn't know that that was a genre. I had no idea that that was a thing. But I'm terrible at it, and I don't know anything about it. And I would like to learn. I want to take some, like, I'll look up, like, YouTube classes or whatever.

1:47:55So it's, like, keep it on there. So it's, like, not realistic. Folkart chicken. Okay, there's a Folkart chicken. Let's see. Look, they're so cute. Look how cute they are. Okay. Like that one, like that little chunky one in the middle, the black and white one. How about the whimsical red hen above your cursor? That's, like, I'm only as good as, like, go back. That one. Yeah, that's about. See that one that says whimsical red hen right there above your cursor. Oh, she's cute. Above your cursor. Yeah. Yeah. Click on that one. See, I could like. Oh, but that one. But you like, and I'll go to like YouTubes of teaching me.

1:48:26All that to say, I'm trying something. I think it's great. You're doing different things. Boy, some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one? Hey, it's art. You cannot speak ill of that. If I saw a chicken like that, I was like, that chicken, that's a drone. That's what I look like, for real. That's a drone. They're so bad. Put in my yard by China. My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up. He's like, are you talking about your stupid folk art chickens? So I'm just being there. He's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now. Always chickens?

1:48:56I don't know why. I have no idea. It's easy. It's fate. It's fate. You're designed to be the greatest folk art chickens. That's my next song. Folk art fate. Folk art fate. Imagine if that's what it is. Like there's something compelling you to tell the world about chicken folk art. I guess so. Here we go. Do you have chickens? Yeah, I do have chickens. I have chickens. I love chickens. Chickens are great, right? They're awesome. They're really cute. They're the ladies. I go in the yard like, hi ladies. That's what I call them. I say, hey ladies. I give them all the scraps. They love everything from the table, like any leftovers.

1:49:29It's funny to watch them though because they're like picky. Like the other day I thought they would eat like leftover breakfast casserole. Wouldn't touch it. Really? But they were all, they didn't eat the biscuits. Chickens don't like biscuits. Well, maybe they know that breakfast casserole is eggs. I'm like, Jesus Christ, this lady's fucking nuts. She's trying to turn us into cannibals. Ridiculous. But I didn't think about that. Maybe it's like. Oh, no. What have I done to my ladies? It might be like a natural reaction to them. I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have you ever seen?

1:50:03Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this is how I found out. I used to have a house in California that my wife, she changed our back fence it was a wrought iron fence and she changed it to glass and when she did she she signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks and they kept slamming into that fucking glass and like three of them died in our yard and one of them got KO'd but survived and I was on the road and um she had told me about it and they'd taken this this hawk and they had put it in a box and when I got back we got them what's called pinkies and what pinkies are are these little baby mice that are they feed them to lizards and snakes like that's what they're for like when you go to the pet store they sell you these things they're not weaned from their mother and you feed them the snakes I know it's dark so they've they bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk these little baby mice and it ate all of them except one and my daughters were very young at the time and they're like we want to keep that mouse we want to raise it i'm like honey you can't it's not going to live like it's not weaned from its mother it won't survive i go i'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it i put this thing down and these chickens attacked like they were raptors from jurassic park one chicken grabbed it and they all chased her around they were stealing it from her pulling it out of her mouth.

1:51:34It is that they are so ferocious. Like, you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse. I've never heard this in my life. I'm going to show you a video. And this video, there's a bunch of videos of cats with mice. So this is a mouse. And look at these chickens. My God. They just kill this mouse. And look, they all attack each other, trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken who has it. Do they eat it? Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah, they devour it. Hmm. So there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet. So see, there's one with a cat. So the cat is playing with the mouse.

1:52:07Like, you know, cats don't kill it. They want to play. And this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat. I have never heard this in my life. So look, the cat has a mouse and the chicken's like, give me that, bitch. Look, it's got a mouse. And the cat's like, Jesus Christ, you guys are psychos. Who knew? Yeah, well, because they're dinosaurs. That's who they are. They're just dinosaurs that are really small that survive the impact of the asteroid. I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens, I'm called to paint my fault chickens. You just don't realize how ruthless they are.

1:52:38I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing up. I'm country as a bumpkin, and I've never heard this. They destroy mice. Dang. Destroy them. They love them. They tear them apart. Well, I'm not going to go do that, but I'm glad I know that now. Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once. we had a big chicken coop and a mouse went in there and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse up. My breakfast casserole is not offensive to them. They're eating their own babies. They're not. We don't have a rooster. Well, I know, but they don't know that.

1:53:11You know they brood. I know. I just let them sometimes. Do you? Well, I just like, sometimes they look at me like, let me just sit on this. Like, okay, you can have it. That's your egg now. Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out. I know, that's a lot. They get real, it makes you sad. It's like they want to be a mommy. They do. Yeah. You don't let them. We had a rooster once, but he did not last. I do not enjoy having roosters. They're ruthless little fuckers. Yeah, he attacked my wife and she's like, we're done. Mine attacked me. I'm out on a rooster. Yeah. They're assholes. But they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hens.

1:53:45Like they don't know that you're okay. They just think this big fucking thing is moving around their hens. Like this giant person thing. They're also mean to the hens. Real mean. They're mean. Brutal. Ripping their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do it. Yeah, they're nasty. How many do y 'all have chickens? We have 15, 15 or 16. Y 'all name them? Yes. I don't name them. But my daughter and my wife names them. But the rooster, he, we only let him, he got to maturity. And then we gave him to a friend. We're like, this motherfucker can't. I was going to kill him. They're mean. Yeah. He attacked me.

1:54:21I went into the, I was like, you just gotta like show him who's boss he's like no no i'll attack you too bitch yeah exactly he attacked me and i was like bitch i will fucking kill you and so to avoid killing him i gave him away because i was totally ready to kill him yeah because when i go in there he'd face off against me and just leap at me and every time mine attacked me too and dad dealt with it i don't know what happened to him but dad dealt with it soup turned him in the soup yeah that's the thing about roosters too i guess you can't like just outright eat them they're really tough so if you do kill them you gotta like either slow cook them or turn them into soup well we probably did he didn't tell me i had a landscaper back when i lived in la who used to fight chickens and he took me over his place i hate that it was crazy i hate it yeah he had like 100 100 roosters we have done some oxers my nation has done we're not just we don't just help dogs we help all animals but dogs are focused but like we've helped break up some chicken rings it's kind of crazy that's still around.

1:55:23It's awful. It's always out. Like, we have a farm in Tennessee, and there's a whole... This is whole farm like down the road and it's they keep them in tiny cages I just hate it And every time we report them, every time, they just pay the fine. You know what I mean? Well, it's a part of the culture. That's the problem. And they all gamble on it. I know. He was Mexican and, you know, from Mexico. And he had all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in. Like, you might as well have been in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything was in Spanish. And when I went over his place, it's like his buddy, we went over his buddy's place.

1:55:58His buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit where they would take the roosters. Yeah. And they put spurs on them. It's so terrible. I mean. Knives on their claws. We try to like. We got to be part of like some of the. But when you confiscate like that many. Mean. I mean you can't. Yeah. Reintroduce them into the world. Right. You know what I mean. They're taught to be mean. They're bred for that. Mm hmm. Yeah. And they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters. Let's just stick to our little backyard hens. How about that? Yeah, it's just, it's a weird thing because like their culture has been, they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them.

1:56:42Yeah. And you know, he was making it seem like it was no big deal. And it was like to them, it was their gambling recreation. Yeah. They would all gather around and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight. I hate it. Yeah. To me, it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. His pit bulls are the – look, they're very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive and they often don't – they confuse children with other animals. They don't – but as pets, they are the most loyal. They're the most loving. They're the sweetest. Kind. They love you to death.

1:57:21They love you so much. But there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight. and that part of our culture that part of society like the the underground dog fighting part is like how can you do that to a dog like how can you do that to the best animals the earth is what it is um i feel like i have some friends that are huge into pit bull rescue and when they're either rehabilitated or just they get a bad rap period right like like say any any metro shelter you go to it's 90 pit bulls because people are afraid yeah but they're they get such a bad reputation but there are some amazing pitties that weren't ever in the fighting rings they were just overbred and you know taking it out of a confiscation of a um of a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting ring because it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies and like i just wish people would at least open their minds and hearts to like there are some amazing pitties out there or pity mixes, you know?

1:58:23There are, but they're also very dangerous. I get it. I know. They are. They go around other dogs. They will fight those dogs to the death. I think you're, they have to be vetted. It has to be a well-vetted shelter or adoption, you know. But the problem is oftentimes you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs. Yeah. Like I've had dogs that were great around people. And then I'd get them around any dog and their hackles would go up and they immediately wanted to fight. Yeah. And you're like, oh God. And then you're the asshole because your dog is like pulling on the leash. and you're like, I'm sorry, let me get them out of here.

1:58:51Right. I know. They're dangerous. They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight. And I think it takes a special household and owner, too, to really kind of handle a dog like that. 100%. Our best friends, Gwen, she's in my band, and her and her husband are longtime Pitbull rescue family, and they just know how to, like, deal with them, and they come around our dogs, they're fine, everything's fine, but it's definitely an alpha male. out like they kind of show him his boss right away and yeah and they sort of understand the food chain of the house you know what i mean yeah there's dogs that are great dogs but they just need a lot of attention like if you have a german shepherd or a belgian malinois you got to give those things something yeah you got to know what kind of breed you're getting to like i feel like people i always preach adopt don't shop but i still think you within the adoption like really need to go i'm gonna spend some time with this dog i'm gonna talk to its foster family i'm gonna foster it just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting if you want like a lazy cuddly thing but still protect your kid pyrenees you know what i mean like just know what you're getting like just understand like as my household ready because there's a lot of the what breaks my heart the most is the like owner surrenders and the returns at the shelters you know what i mean And it's like you didn't think through what you were doing.

2:00:13And the dog already thought it had a home. And now you bring him in. Right. Because you wanted a lazy dog and you got a cow dog and it needs to run. Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of like a lab and a protecting dog. They're a great little balance. Yeah. Like I have a friend who has a Pyrenees and it's like such a good dog. And he's like, listen, man, if coyotes come around here, this fucking dog. Oh, yeah. We're not. Fucks them up. Yep. I go, really? And he goes like, oh, yeah. Yeah, like you ain't never seen a change of personality like this dog when it sees a coyote.

2:00:44But then they're like laid up on the couch with their legs in the air. Oh, the sweetest. Just rub my bed at me. It's the best. Like I have a golden who's, he's the best unless you're a squirrel. And then he's hell. Then he's a demon. He's a squirrel killer. But other than that, he's the sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody. Everybody who comes over the house like, you're my best friend. Goldens are the best. They're so sweet. But I love them all. I love them all. we have a chihuahua i mean i i mean you you're getting a chihuahua you know what you're getting mean as hell and nervous oh my god so mean she's 16 and blind and she still tries to bite she don't know where you are but she's like but i could get you 16 is old and blind as a bat but oh my god senior dog house over here have you had her since she was a baby yeah wow doctorate from a shelter when she was like eight weeks old yeah we got two seniors now but i've crazy dog lady when um my husband met me and i had eight rescues like it seems crazy now but it i have farm and land and three were pyrenees um two golden mixes and then three little i don't know what and i've lost one every year for six years and so after this we have two seniors left and my husband's like my heart can't take this like he never had dogs growing up he loves dogs but he was like this is awful like ever since we met we've lost one because they're stair step in age and so i'm like i need a my heart needs a break it's hard yeah it's hard when they die it's like it's it's so hard you're so close to them and they only lived like to be not long enough 13 and then it's over they're like put here to show us true love i know they really are meanwhile they're not meanwhile what they are is we took wolves and turned them into bitches that's what Really, really would happen.

2:02:31Like I have a King Charles Spaniel. You know, he's the sweetest. That's Charlie. Is that Charlie? That's Charlie. He is the sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a bitch. And like, you're not enough of a bitch. Let me turn you into more of a bitch. And more floppy ears. And now we have Bernadoodles. Yeah.

2:03:01It's so weird what humans have done to dogs. I know. And we've created all these totally helpless little tiny breeds. I know. It's weird. Shih Tzus and all these little tiny things. Pekingese. Yeah. But they're all amazing and there's plenty at the shelter that y 'all should go check out. Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a weird thing that we've done. I know. Because they all used to be wolves at one point in time. Yeah. That's got to be the weirdest transformation of an animal by human interaction is wolf to dog. I just wonder, like, the first one to do it. Do we know? They think it was just, like, cavemen by the fire, and wolves would come around, and they had killed something.

2:03:43They'd throw them a bone. And the relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming. Right. And then eventually they softened to the point where they could, like, sleep with these people. so they were like household animals or at least stay around the house and they trusted them to protect their children and then you know then they developed different breeds that were better at like herding sheep yeah like because you got to think like most wolves killed sheep yeah so all of a sudden you could teach a dog to like make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves which is nuts it's nuts and it's incredible to watch yeah and watching dogs like bird dogs yeah it's one of my And also, like, the canine units, they blow my mind, like, the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have.

2:04:28Well, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Malinois. Oh, yeah. That is a fucking crazy dog. When you see them run up walls and fly through the air. But, like, that's one of the dogs where you're like, you need to know what you're getting. Oh, yeah. Because you need, like, a dude that can run with this dog. All day. And you can't leave him alone. And you can't, like, hey, man, can you watch my dog? I'm going to be gone for a week. Like, nuh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. That dog's coming with you, bitch. Exactly. That dog's watching you. Yeah, that dog needs activity. Yeah.

2:04:59Have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German shepherd approaches an assailant versus a Belgian Malinois? No. So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room. Yeah. And the German shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on. The Belgian Malinois goes over all the chairs. just like flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this. There it is. So here's the shepherd. See how the shepherd runs around? And he's like, I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. And he finds you and he bites you. Watch the Belgian Malinois.

2:05:29As soon as they let him go, he's like, fuck these chairs. Right over them. That's incredible. They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. Like they're designed to go fuck things up. That's their task all day long. And they're crazy smart. They're really smart. It's intimidating. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park. They're like checking you out. Yeah. What are we doing? Am I killing you? Or are you just one of my dad's friends? That's a perfect, perfect analogy. They're like looking right at you like this. You're like, oh. And you're like, can I pet it? Yeah.

2:05:59Or is he at work right now? He's working. Yeah. Yeah, I don't ever pet Malinois unless I know for sure. Yeah, same. Because they're just, it's a working dog. It's a different thing. Same. You know? I mean, but it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that. like how do you can make a dog into my dog which is like just a cuddle but he just he's just a cuddle bug he just wants to lie down with you like today we're watching tv he just cuddles up he's like got his head in my lap and i'm patting him we're watching tv he's like so happy he used to be a wolf the only one i think about in my house that used to be a wolf is my chihuahua because she's the meatist how ironic that's so funny but it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves.

2:06:45Yeah. I didn't think about it like that. Some of them. Have you ever seen that? What is that shepherd dog, that crazy giant one from Russia? What is it? Not from Russia. It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf. And it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in. But it's like 200 pounds. Like this enormous thing that protects... Caucasian Shepherd. That's it. Caucasian Shepherd. It literally looks like a werewolf. Like that werewolf that we have out front? American werewolf in London? That's scary. That's what it looks like. And they just protect... Look at that.

2:07:20Oh, I've seen those. I just didn't know what they were called. Crazy. See if you can find one that's doing bite work. But look, that one looks sweet. Yeah. Unless you break into the house.

2:07:32I mean, that thing's crazy. Google Caucasian Shepherd training. Yeah, or bite. Right there. Oh, God. Yeah, that does look like the thing in the front. That's fake, but look at the side. That's one, like, pretending to— See, there's one that's doing bite work, though, in that other image. That's the word for them. It's like a word of charka. Like, that is a big-ass dog. And that's another dog that they use to protect against wolves. Look at the size of that sucker. I mean, it's huge. So what are they doing here? Where are they? They're Russian? That looks like they're transporting it. Training YouTube channel.

2:08:17Oh, okay. They're training it. Yeah. With a big bag of shitty dog food. That dog food that people buy. I know. That stuff's so terrible. You do farmer's dog. Uh-huh. Me too. Yeah. We started off with another company called Maeve, which is great. It's frozen. But just the way he eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must taste way better. And it's the same kind of thing. It's real food. It's frozen. You get it frozen, thaw it out, and feed it to them. When he's ready to eat, he devours it. Devours it. I had to start that with my senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things, you know, and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else.

2:08:59And I was just like, all right, we're just going to do the expensive dog food. But I had three Pyrenees rescues, two golden mixes, and, like, three littler dogs. because I'm like, this is like$700 a batch for all y 'all to eat. So I started making it for a while, too. I would just make ground turkey and vegetables. Oh, that's great. But I just couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean, farmer's dogs is what we used to. Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food because anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good for you. It just can't. It's filled with preservatives, and that's not good for dogs.

2:09:30It's like us living on Cheetos, I feel like. Exactly. But sometimes I want to eat them sometimes. I love them. Yeah, like if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're going to live. Right. But you're not going to feel real good. No, you're not. People are always like, what's on your rider? I'm like, Cheetos and Titos, kind of all I need. Is that it? That's your rider? Cheetos and Titos? Cheetos and Titos. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Some people have wacky riders. What's on your rider? Not much. I have like a cheese tray maybe or.

2:10:03Yeah, I have a meat tray. a meat tray um uh when i was drinking it was uh we would definitely have like some whiskey on there and uh maybe like a bottle of wine but i don't really don't drink anymore not that i yeah this is like i wasn't an alcoholic so it's not like i can't drink like i had a glass of wine with dinner the other night but it's not i don't drink anymore like i don't like we would i would go to my comedy club with my friends or we'd be going the road, I'd have a couple of glasses of this and a couple of glasses of that and a margarita at dinner. And then the next day I'd feel like shit.

2:10:42And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop. It was just I did. And then one day I was like, I think I'm just going to stop for a while and see how I feel. And I felt so much better. So much better. Because I was drinking like two or three nights a week, sometimes four. Go out on a date with my wife. I have a couple of drinks. I go to the comedy club. I have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio. Yeah. It just, I mean, I feel like that's showbiz. I mean, it's just part of it. Like, it's part of our culture. And, like, we have to bring the party, too. That's the other thing.

2:11:15It's like, how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you? Right. You know? That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem. Especially in, like, the honky-tonk days. Like, I came up in, like, beer joints. I'm talking about, like, dive bars. You know what I mean? and you just start getting in it with people. And then you're on your day off. You're like, oh, we're going to have a nice date and have a drink. You know what I mean? It's kind of spirals. I know. But I love it. I love it too. I love red wine. It's my favorite thing. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I feel the next day.

2:11:48But I'm not, you know, I'd say I'll never do it again. But for now, I'm not doing it anymore. But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two. Not even two. I hate drinks. Like I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other night. I had like a half a glass of wine. I'm like, we're good. But like if somebody has a bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking shit, I want to have a couple of drinks. I might. You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are. I'm just trying to be healthier is what it is. And I recognize that like if I do all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time, I eat so well, I take all these vitamins, like why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week?

2:12:24That seems stupid. Especially with my lifestyle. It's like it's better like even if I just limit it to one night a week, it's better. But really, it's better. Just not. Yeah. The reality is it's not good for you. Well, I know. But it's fun. It is fun. It is fun. Getting like catching a buzz is fun. Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done, like when we do Protect Our Parks, we get hammered. Yeah. They're fun. Yeah. I bet. Yeah. I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid. Right. There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk. Yeah. And have for thousands. Thousands of years. Thousands of years.

2:12:58I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place. So many people meeting people. So many fun friendships. A lot of the memories, too. It's like on the road, after the show. It's like when everybody's just really being themselves. It's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get too drunk or DUI or be an asshole. It's possible. but it's enough of a normal thing that a good percentage of people know when they've had enough right and they know the right dose you know you have a couple drinks like i'm good yeah you know you know where you're at whereas any other drug that you're trying today is illegal yeah and there any other drug it's like who knows what's going to happen right yeah and if you want to go next door like really next door next door i'm going down the street yeah you can go down the treat with whiskey with a margarita whiskey go to another town it's martinis like everybody knows like do not drink more than two martinis are you an insane person like you can't everybody knows that everyone should know it like i feel like that's what really you know burke chrysher that motherfucker can put some martinis down really like yeah i'm like two's good like that's straight up well you're smart just straight i mean and then have your glass of wine whatever you want It has to when you see like you know somebody sit at a bar by themselves at like 3 o 'clock and then you're like Dang that's their third martini.

2:14:28They're about to hit the deck and they're fine. I'm like something's gonna happen later Something's gonna happen later. They probably do it all the time. That's the thing. Here's your sign. Yeah Yeah It's supposedly better for you right isn't it like do you drink Tito's like a vodka martini is probably Is a gin martini the same? I don't know. I'm a Tito's and Topo Tito's and Topo. They say that clear liquor is better for you. Right? Don't they say that? I don't know. We've made excuses for every single thing we want to do today. They say tequila is the best for you. This nicotine is great for us.

2:15:01Yeah, it's good for the brain. Tito's is clear. It's awesome. It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor is like a real reason why clear liquor? There's less additives in it. There you go. Less additives. That's it? I'm pretty sure. I mean, even tequila has got, you got to find the good stuff. Right. But if you find the good, that's the other thing. I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake. How much tequila is not really made with agave. That's a real, that's a lot. A lot. Yeah. It's a lot of fake. That'll hurt your ass. I mean, tequila will, it's not forgiving if you abuse it.

2:15:34It's a certain kind of drunk too. Don't ask me how I know. Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk. Yeah. That's like I shot my TV with my shotgun drunk. It's a high speed chase drunk. Tequila is just like, ooh, we're drunk on tequila. Yikes. You just picture yourself doing something definitely incorrect. Yeah. It's a funny thing that I guess it makes sense, though, that music and comedy in a lot of ways is connected to drinking. Because drinking lowers inhibitions and it makes you want to sing along and it makes you want to dance. maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance, but you get a couple shots.

2:16:17Fuck it, let's get on the dance floor. And it's this. It's like, raise your cup. It's just that. It's like a feeling. And you're part of the party, and you're part of the song, and you're part of the show. Or whatever. I just think, especially, I think music and comedy are the most, as far as show business. That people just feel like that's something that they go there to do. Right. Well, there are two things that you have to go see live. You don't have to. I mean, you can just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff. But the reality is it's way better if you're there live. Yeah. Like live, going to see live music to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all.

2:16:58I don't have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So it's just I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it that way. I see where they're going with that. You can just enjoy it. I could just be entertained. That's great. And it's, I think music is a drug in and of itself because it does something to your, a great song does something very powerful to you. Yeah. Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration. It's like it does something that nothing else does in a weird, weird way. And it feels so good like when you have a song that somebody comes up and says, that song changed my life.

2:17:34that song you know i have one called house that built me that's like the one people come up to me the most and they're like that's my story and it's i didn't write it i'm like but that's when i heard it that's why i was like this is my story too and those are the and like as a songwriter when you write a song like that that's that's the ultimate like reminder like this is why i do that like yeah it made somebody feel something it made somebody get through something it made somebody want to punch somebody whatever the emotion is as long as it brings out emotion we've done our job right think how many people you've done that to how nuts that is like you've had so many hit songs you've had so many songs that resonated with people where they all felt that feeling when that song came on like oh this is my song yeah this is my song turn it up i have like the feisty a lot of the feisty i mean i'm i'm a little calmer now but it used to be quite the firecracker just pew pew pew pew.

2:18:30There's a reason I have revolvers tattooed on my arm and now I'm shooting them off horses. Like just a little like pistol personality I guess. So like my feisty songs, I mean every single show pretty much every single show there's a girl fight in the pit. Really? Yeah they just get riled up. They get riled up. I'm telling you they just get I mean. I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers. I don't know. I bet you do if every single show you have almost every show i bet that's real odd have you talked to other female singers do they have similar stories i haven't asked how many girls about your show yeah you should ask you should totally ask because it's like towards this part where it's like i call it my ramp up it's like gunpowder and lid little red wagon mama's broken heart and like they just start getting wound up yeah they think about their ex that motherfucker or he's there and they're Like, it's just a lot.

2:19:25And he's there with another woman. And I have a front row seat to it. I'll stop if it gets real bad. I'll just stop and go, hey, y 'all. Tone her down a little bit. Really? Every show? Almost every show. That's really odd, Miranda. I know. I think that's odd. I think that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people. Maybe. I mean, and I'm pretty calm now. I'm like, it's all right. We got some ballots coming up. Everybody take a sip. Take a seat. Y 'all settle down. I think it's great They're feeling something Yeah Bringing out emotion Yeah That's my job 100 % Yeah I bet it's great at the gym Those songs Yeah I think about that bitch They punch at the concert Yeah Right When they're on that Elliptical machine I have a lot of those like Girl you're my bitch Like those kind of girls Yeah And I love it I love that Yeah That's awesome That's awesome Yeah you can't buy that That's a weird feeling It is Yeah You have to earn that feeling You'll have to come to a show that's like one that I know for sure is going to be one of those.

2:20:25I would love to. I would love to. And watch from the stage. I loved you at the Makane event. It was amazing. That's such a cool event, too. It's such a good event. And I love all those boys. And Jack and I, I mean, Jack Ingram is one of my heroes from back in the day. I started watching him when I was 15, and he had such charisma. And that's why I'd be like, I want to do that. Oh, really? That's awesome. I've known him for a really long time. It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that and it's for a great cause. So everybody's like super positive about why they're there. It's not just to have fun.

2:20:58It's also it does like such an amazing service for people. It does. And they do such a good job with that show. They do. It's put together so well. You know who blew me away at that show too? It's Lucas. Yeah, he's great. Woo! I love him. He is great. People are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son. I'm like, oh, okay, that'll be cool. and then he started saying i was like holy shit like this guy's fucking great he's great he's not just good he's great great musician and he's a great guy sweetheart a sweetheart super sweetheart yeah you have uh got the had the pleasure of getting to know him now he's a really nice guy a genuine nice guy but god can he say he can like that especially when he does that when he really leans into the soul more soul stuff it just makes him shine like because it's just so different than what people would think it was going to be right you know right and his pipes yeah when the notes he has i was like and when he goes for he like sings with his body like his whole body like you know he's going for it and i love it yeah and he does this like i don't know it's gonna hurt later in life but he does this like backbend thing he's on his knees he's like bent all the way back playing a guitar solo and I'm like, girl, how does he do that?

2:22:12Is that adrenaline or what is that? Stretching. Yeah. It's just stretching. Yeah, I could probably do that like a decade ago. Not now. I bet you could. I'm not going to try. Well, not on stage. Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse when you're shooting at things. Yeah. You know what helps with that is Pilates. Oh, I'm sure. Like I ride so much better when I'm doing like consistent Pilates. I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, oh. It's hard as shit. A lot harder. It's like yoga in a way that people think, oh, yoga, you're just going and stretching. No, no, no. Go do it. It's fucking hard.

2:22:45It's hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard. I was like, oh, this is weird. This is using weird muscles. Yeah, like shaky ones. Mm-hmm. You're like, why am I shaking? Yeah, like stabilizing muscles. Yeah. But it's like a really good thing to balance out other stuff. Yeah. But that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to... When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still not great. And I still have fear on a horse. I'm just not super comfortable all the time when we're going fast. So I'm just learning to work up to that. But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever until I was 30 years old.

2:23:20And I wish I had started at four when I was fearless. You know what I mean? But starting at 30, getting on this giant animal and you don't know what you're doing. And my trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates. and so I started Pilates and it really helped me like it helped me like stabilize myself a little more that's interesting your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding she was training my horses and teaching me how to ride and she was like you do not have core strength at all you need to go do Pilates that's interesting that you would choose that huh I guess that makes sense but I would think that there's other stuff you could do too like those you ever see what a BOSU ball is like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it where you like Yes, and they have this It's like this saddle you sit on And it's for that It's almost like one of those balls But it's a saddle you sit on Like if you're sitting on a yoga ball And like my shooting coach My friend Kenda She'll tell me, get your gun belt on And get your guns out And sit on your Is that the yoga ball, the big one?

2:24:24The big workout ball? Sit on that and shoot off that Like when you're doing your drills Because you've got to stabilize It's all just about stabilizing. I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those. Yeah, which is smart. I guess. I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk. I don't think I'd do well. Well, I have to sit at this desk. But these chairs, they keep you upright. These are really good. Yeah, they're comfy. They're good. They make you sit correctly or at least encourage you to sit correctly. Rather than a... But when you started doing that when you were 30, how long did it take before you started shooting guns off of a horse?

2:24:57I just started that last year. Oh, okay. I mean, I just started. last year i started i showed gypsy vanners they're like draft lazy draft horses kind of um i got into those because i was 30 and like i can't afford to get hurt like i'm on the road all the time so i wanted something safe to learn on have you fallen before oh yeah really yeah i mean i tried to do hunter jumper i thought i wanted to be i was like all excited i'm like i'm gonna be a cowgirl at 30 years old i'm like i'm gonna finally be a cowgirl i'm gonna barrel race well then i learned that's i don't want a barrel race which kind of the guns it's patterns and it's going fast around you have to go around a barrel so kind of back to that but this old cowboy trainer where i got my first horse he was like you need to go take english lessons because you need your fundamentals because you can't you're not just going to get a western saddle and act like you know what you're doing go take lessons because english is so proper what is english english and like it's like the hunter jumpers like the and dressage it's like Like the very proper, you know, English writing teaches you the fundamentals.

2:26:01Look, I'm sitting up straighter talking about to where Western is a lot more loose. And so it just taught me a lot taking English lessons. But I thought I'd do hunter jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles. Right. And that's where I really hit the ground a few times. I wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just it's been a cool journey. It's just I mean, it's a lot to learn. It's a lot to learn. And I'm imagining it's also like rough on the body too. Yeah. Yeah, it is. That's why I'm like, give me your safe. Cool, my horse, he is super safe. I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better, but I don't want to do it at a certain cost.

2:26:43Do you enter competitions or anything? I showed my vanners for 10 years. What does that mean? I just went to horse shows. You said some words I don't understand. Gypsy vanners. I showed my vanners. My vanners. That sounds dirty when you say it back like that. It does a little. Like, what's a vanner? Right. No, it's my gypsy vanners are the kind of horses I have. Oh, okay. So I went and showed them in competitions, like, just English pleasure, Western pleasure, like, just riding around the rail, and it's about your technique, and it's not, like, jumping or... So when English, it's just about being in control of the horse?

2:27:21Yep, it's your technique. Making the horse listen to you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I got into the shooting and now I'm not going back. Are you going to do competitions with the shooting? I did one last year just to get my first one out of the way. Yeah. And it was fun. It was a lot of – I mean, it was scary. It was scary as shit, honestly. But all these girls I ride with are so good. Like, they go 100 miles an hour. Like, I've got to show you, Kenda. Like, she is – Is there a video of her? Yeah, she's amazing. What's her last name? one saying it's l-a-n-s-e-s-i-e-n-g google it i'm spelling it jimmy will find it she's amazing and they go so fast and like it's a timed i mean it's a timed event right so you're competing just against you really like how how precise and how fast you could go on your horse so you have like a green light and then you go like you go do they how do they start you off they you do what do they say they flag oh they drop a flag and then you go and then you go i didn't go that fast i did mine in like 28 seconds she does it in like eight seconds like seven course yeah it's insane she's amazing but but that's what it's something to work towards like how many times has she wiped out oh she's broke down as hell she's broke down she has cowgirl broke down but she's still going She wiped out so bad last year And just gets right back on Keeps going Riding in a cast Like it's Cal girl way Riding in a cast Tough That's tough They're tough Yeah people are built different They are You got any videos?

2:28:56I just found that one Here we go I want to see this She's awesome Because I saw that you were doing that And I was like that's bananas But it looks like fun It is fun Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow? They have bow and arrow There she is Oh here she goes They have bow and arrows, rifles. The rifles are crazy. Imagine this lady running up to you on a ranch with a pistol in her hand. She is legit. That's crazy. She's one of my besties. Is there a high speed where they're not showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Oh, man. This is awesome. She is a literal never misses.

2:29:43Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like fun. There's 83 patterns, so the horse never runs the same pattern. Wait a minute. How is she shooting that many times? It's five shots and a gun change. Oh, you have to change your gun? You have to change your gun, yeah. So how many shots is it total in one of these rounds where you run? Ten. Ten. So, okay, so you have ten things. This is like a highlight reel, but yeah. Ten shots. yeah so that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it that's awesome well that's how to learn she's awesome learn from a psycho exactly completely insane serious screw loose to be good at that wow yeah oh my god look at this dude oh this is her that's her and charles wow

2:30:39I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome. It looks like fun. Yeah, it's really fun. And it's, I don't know. It's a very country thing to be involved in. Well, guess what? There you go. Guess what, Joe? It's perfect. It's perfect for you. We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs. We talked about guns on horses. Archery, hunting, fill in the blank. Tito's and Tito's. Yeah, exactly. But that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding. It's horse riding with pistols. Yeah, I mean, come on. Yeah. I love it. It's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing.

2:31:19See if there's one where they do it off with bows and arrows. I want to see that. It's crazy. I haven't seen that in person, but the rifles. Oh, rifles they do too? They do it with rifles, and you don't have reins. Because you use two hands to shoot the rifle. Right. So, like, they're riding with their legs. Whoa. Right? Right, and the horse is making wild turns. Yeah. So you have to have crazy strength in your legs to keep you in place. That needs a lot of Pilates. Oh, yeah. So you can find one where they're doing it, bows and arrows. Because I know that that's how the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it.

2:31:52They learned how to shoot while they were. They learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air. so that they had the least amount of disturbance.

2:32:05What is this one? Epic Equestrian Mounted Archery. Is this a competition? I don't know that there's many of them. Oh, yeah, so they have targets. Yeah, but this looks like a... British Horseback Archery. See, she's in a dressage saddle doing that. Oh, yeah, look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too. I don't know that makes look at that that's cool just in case is that your next hobby? no I don't fuck with horses it's just I like them I love them I think they're awesome I don't want to ride them there you go there's nothing for it oh that's cool that's like a pattern yeah so very similar similar kind of deal Taren Tactical for horses yeah exactly exactly Taren Tactical is a tactical range in California we're going that's where Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot guns i used to go there when i lived in california you do like shoot already yeah and you go through a tactical course that's what that that's where we shoot out at in scott is um it's a bit called ben avery shooting facility and it's like all of that it's any anything that can be shot is shot there yeah and they so kendah had them build a rodeo arena so we could do our balloons that would be the coolest thing to have on your property yeah have a tactical range right on your property.

2:33:28This place is huge. It's out there in the desert, so there's plenty of space to do all the things. That's what I was thinking about, the shooting pistols on the horses. When did they figure out to not use bullets? Because there had to be a time. Something happened. And the horses wear earplugs, too, which is great. They probably had to figure that out later in life, too. Horses wear earplugs. But when did they figure out? How many people got shot before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons? Yeah, black powder might be a better call. Because you got all those people in the audience, and then you got someone on the horse.

2:34:01It is. And she catches hell for it. People are like, you can't be. She's like, it's spectator safe. It's safe for the horses. Everybody wears earplugs. It's black powder. Who gets mad? People. Everybody wants to bitch about something. Right. You know. But that's just how it's going. You would know more than anyone. I don't need to tell you. You can't make everybody happy. It's impossible. No, you can't. And you're always going to make someone mad. As long as you relate that, you'll be okay. And as long as you stay offline. Yeah, stay off that TikTok. Stay out of that river, that TikTok river. Yeah.

2:34:36A lot of people drown in that river. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about? Should we wrap this up? Yeah, I mean, we talked about every country thing you talked about. We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me on here. My pleasure. I really appreciate it. And I love your music, and I love your personality, so it was really cool to have you in here. Come see us on the road. I would love to. Are you ever in Austin soon? I'm playing the San Antonio Rodeo next year. When is that? What time? February. February. Oh, okay. So like in a couple of months.

2:35:03Yeah. Okay. We'll try to make it down for that. Are you ever in Austin though? I haven't played in Austin in a long time. Really? I don't know why. I'm here all the time and I don't know. I need to get that on the books. Okay. Well, I will come. I will definitely come. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. If anybody wants to go find you out on the river. On the river. Social media on the river. on all your social media platforms. You're on all that stuff. MirandaBambert.com. Okay. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.