#2410 - Jeff Dye

27:24Yeah, it's fun. They have an enemy. It occupies their brain at all times. They have an enemy. Yeah. Yeah, like Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife, and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump. She says, like, if you vote for Trump, you're voting against my— She stopped talking to them. Yeah, you're voting against my husband and my family. What are you talking about? Well, I think that that's the big psyop. They've made everything racial. Everything is racial. And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist, right?

27:54So when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered, so you go, oh, I don't really believe, or I think Muslims are blank. Whatever that sentence is, they go racist. And you go, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea. They go, oh, you're racist. So it's like, it's because it's so simple and it's so vague. And people love to keep vague things. Yeah. Because then they can make their, I saw a comedian. I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it. But it's, that's why I won't say it.

28:29Not because I'm holding back names. Marilyn Reischkib or Reischkib or whatever her name is. Oh, I know Marilyn. Yeah, she used to be really nice to me. She used to be? Yeah, she got caught talking shit about me, and I DM'd her immediately. And then she was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. And, you know, I think she's a nice person. She's a very nice person. Yeah, she's nice. People get caught up in that shit, man. I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where she was like, I'm texting with this guy, and he said, she said, how are you? And he said, oh, I'm just really sad today about Charlie, about Charlie Kirk.

29:04and and then she goes and my hand was like my phone was on fire I was like oh like what and then the crowd laughed to her defense like the the lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise and then she said um she was like uh what part of his ideas did you find so uh gripping what was it his racist she just started launching into like about how like the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about charlie kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote like a whole bit about it and i was just in my mind i was like i can't believe that this is her take i can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with and i can't believe i'm in this town uh anymore like i was like a moment for me where i was like What?

29:59Am I insane? No. Those are the moments where you go, I think I'm the crazy person. There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her. And she wants to throw her phone away. And she wants to go, oh! And that's hilarious to everyone. Wow. Because the simple vagueness of race. You know, it's like this this this constant obsession with, you know, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York or you must be a racist or Islam. They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label or put things in a thing.

30:43Well, there's there's certainly cult like thinking involved in both the right and the left. There's that's it's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they're identifies being a conservative or identifies being a liberal. It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally, that's never a good thing to just agree with like a swath of predetermined ideas. Yeah. And one is that public assassinations are OK and that they're not sad. They're sad no matter who it is.

31:26And I would say even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him and he was not. But even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things. You're happy that he got shot. Now, the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a 30-odd-six round to the neck publicly where people are cheering. That's crazy. And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That's how it always works. It's like, well, I go, well, why are you posting on social media that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it?

32:06Just tell me simply why you think that. And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous. Super vague. Didn't say the ideas. Didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague. Well, there's also a problem with clips. When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying, and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are. And I think there were some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and in the fact that you could take it as a clip.

32:40And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots. Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot because a person is blank, fill in the blank, because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black or whatever it is. If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous. You've made a very dangerous thing, which is flying, a little more dangerous. So his statement was because they're doing this and they're trying to get they're using DEI to hire people.

33:19And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified. Or he wonders. Yeah. He said, I don't want I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring. Correct. Right. That's it's a problem in the way he said it. Right. Instead of saying that that way, because one of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education, the people that it discriminates the most against, like people say it's a white supremacist idea to be against DEI. The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians because Asians fucking kill it in universities.

34:05They kill it so much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian because they work harder. It's a cultural thing. You know, I grew up in Taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. and man you haven't seen worth ethic until you've seen first generation koreans who come over to america and you know they have those tiger moms and tiger dads that's a real thing that's good that is a fuck i guess well i mean for these sort of subjects it's good for getting things not great for trauma and not great for those things right but if we're talking about the workforce or symphony if we're if it's just a meritocracy if it's just a meritocracy it's like who is the best student?

35:00Who is the best this? Who's the best that? Yeah, it's good for that. You know, but it's like, it's the same thing. It was like trying to be a champion. Like you can only redline for so long before you go fucking crazy. And the lack of balance between pleasure and struggle and discipline and fun, you have to balance if you want to have a good life. And ultimately, you're supposed to be enjoying your life. I don't think you can truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them. You have to earn them.

35:35But I do think you should have them too. And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, like my friend Jung-sik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion. When we were kids, he was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast. He didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had, but that motherfucker worked so hard. He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day, and for workouts sometimes, he would take all his books, put them in his backpack, and run upstairs at the school. Just run upstairs at the university.

36:16That's how he'd get some of his cardio in. And then he would come to the gym, and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training. We'd train at like 6 o 'clock at night, 7 o 'clock at night, and he would be just drained. But he would fucking just dig in and get to it, man. And it was just that mentality is why Asians do so well in school. It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically. I don't do that with my kids. My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard.

36:52have discipline do the stuff you're supposed to do don't fuck off you know get get the things done that you're supposed to do the but would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from china i don't know you know why the countries like america so much is because they realize oh if i work as hard as i can maybe in wherever they live yes you know india or some of these other places it's not a promise that they'll succeed and but they love a capitalistic america where like yeah if i put in the work and my kids put in the work and i force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.

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39:08They're fucking working. They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting. They fucking get to work. So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to grievances. So you can get away with being racist against them. Right. And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, Which is just crazy because it shows you're lying. You're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to fight for them. Like if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud.

39:48And if you're on their side— And you look good if you defend them. You're virtuous. Yeah, exactly. Because that's what it is. It's performative. I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but like it can these kind of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids You know like I think about these things all day, but like I think about it with Like in our in our business, you know, like there are so many women who complain like oh No girls on the lineup or only two girls on the line and I'm like you're there's less of you That's all it is In fact the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts.

40:23So yes, it can feel like a boys club because it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road or like it is their fans being creepy with creepy fans. They're different, like 100 percent. And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through. But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the improv and the Laugh Factory and the Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who, you know, subjectively are very, very funny and subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny.

41:05And they can't get any spots at these places because we need more women comics. I mean, we need more diverse lineups. They've literally said that. We have too many white male comics. I've heard it my whole career. It's crazy. It's just crazy to say. I was in Boston, and there was this long line for this festival and all this thing. It was to submit, like to do audition. It was during Last Comic Standing times, so they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look how many people are here to try out for our festival or whatever. And someone came out and goes, listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different.

41:42And all of us just cut, because it's Boston. We're all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit. Like, what does that imply? I don't know. I only know about my circumstances. I can't have, I can't. One time my agent said this to me. He was talking, bragging about one of his clients. And he was like, Jeff, listen, man. You know, I got this one client. He's handsome. He's, his parents are deaf. You know, he's black. He's got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry. I think you're going to have to, like, reinvent yourself or something.

42:14I was like, I can't make things up. Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm a white guy. It's just Hollywood. Yeah. And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like, in the mothership, it's a meritocracy. And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse. Yeah. You got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people. And the one thing that people keep saying about the comedy mothership is, oh, it's a right-wing comedy club. The vast majority of comics at my club are left wing The vast majority Yeah, no, I can They're artists Personally vouch for that Yeah, yeah But they're reasonable lefties Yeah, they're kind people Who can sit in a room with a comic Who doesn't agree with their politics And still just be human Like, that's a great We should all aspire to that And that's what we aspire to at that club Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit ideologically One side or the other It's not supposed to be about that It's supposed to be about the art form.

43:13And, you know, there's shit. A lot of my fucking friends are like far left. I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool? Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that. But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide you have a different ideology than me. So you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being. It's weak. It's simple. You're doing something that's just too convenient. And you're doing it because you know it'll be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons because we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

43:51Yeah. Like I am a Christian, right? I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act. I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies. I've never once gone. I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith. Right. Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males. I've heard every and I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs. But that's why you're doing well.

44:31Right. And I am now. And I am. But you're doing well because you became undeniable. Yeah. And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience. Right. And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is I've done all the right things and no one comes to see me. Because you forgot the one thing. You might have been doing the wrong. You forgot the one thing. Be funny. That's it. You fell into all the easy stuff. All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group, all the group think, all the fucking chant all the right stuff, say all the right things, say things that don't even make sense.

45:06Right. So that you appear. Well, that's what I'm saying is that like the second I got passed at the comedy store, multiple comics went to the booker and was like, he shouldn't be here. He does jokes about gay people. And he does jokes about – he goes, yeah, yeah, I do. Guess what? And they kill. And I get laughs. and I'm but again I'm you could still come up to me and talk to me and like I'm I'm not I I like everybody I like trans people I have a plenty of gay friends I I I you know you might have jokes about straight people too though and you are one of them that's the thing it's also fun to be naughty isn't it yeah I love women but I trash them pretty hard in my act you know and so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that like I feel like I've never once gone I can't talk to someone because of their stand-up comedy.

45:56I'm not going to go to the improv and go, Mary Lynn Reiskib shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk and I was offended. I bet if you had a conversation with her about it, an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable. Yeah, because people are people, and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, I can't be in the same room. That's what cult people think. Also, if you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said. And some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds.

46:30He was a very kind person. 100%. The problem is you don't look kind when there's clips. And the clips show you saying something. Aren't you afraid of that? Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking. So does he. yeah but in a different way where people are listening to me having these three-hour conversations it's like it's kind of hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention and it's just the it's also the the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world right like it's like there's enough people that have seen so many shows that like i know who that guy is that's not who that guy is i think you're giving them a lot of uh grace because you have to because like people aren't you afraid of ai no not afraid of ai what i'm afraid of is clips short context things even recently i did howie mandel's podcast and i got asked for the millionth time about the mark maron thing and and i was like what dude the the good part of that mark maron story is that we buried it i i think who knows it'll rear its head again i'm sure not with that guy there's no burying anything i know but like i was like how about that story tell that story, Howie, that we shook hands at the comedy store and were able to share a stage not a stage, but share a room full of stages.

47:54Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing, so all the comments are like, Jeff, I can't stop talking about Marc Maron again. What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. This short real thing that is out of context is not a three hour conversation. No one's listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form. The people that were informed did. But I'm saying the everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts and then forming a group think about those excerpts and the group think becomes their reality. That's very true.

48:32And I'm afraid of that for you. Yeah, that's true in some ways but it also benefits you in some ways too. It's like there's good and bad. There's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips. And that's good too. It's like the thing, like I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you. They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show. You don't worry about it and don't care. You can't, you know.

49:07Write a book on that. Teach me how to not care. You just got to get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like it's not going to affect you. You know what I mean? Like, but that's if you, but you, if you're in that position where I'm in that kind of sort of, you're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person. It's your duty to not care. It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be, when you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and like defend it and push everybody down. You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be, be supportive.

49:43Try to help other people's careers try to promote them tell everybody how cool they are tell everybody how funny they are tell everybody good things that you know instead of complaining all the time about it about everything find cool shit and inform people about it tell people cool shit that you've seen cool restaurants you've been to cool music you've listened to cool people you met do that that's what I try to do and that that's my I that is my obligation I think as in having the top podcast you have to Set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody. Sure. Yeah. And don't care as much.

50:21Don't care as much about haters. You're going to have haters. The idea that you're not going to have people that hate you is crazy. Fucking, you could get like, one of the things that I know from MMA, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime, there's going to be guys coming up that say, he ain't shit, I'll fuck him up, I'll take him out in one round. There's always that. He's got no defense. He's got no chin. He's got no heart. He's only good when he's winning as soon as it gets turned on him He's gonna fold there's always Someone talking and if you live your life constantly responding to those people It's a waste of that 100 that 100 units of attention and focus that you have You got to protect that.

51:03Yeah, you got a guard that 100 units man Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube. And it's never in real life for me. Right. It's never in real life. Well, that's the problem. I have to open this shit before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, why you had this fucking dump? And then I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks. I've got my coffee. I'm seeing dogs. I'm seeing hot chicks. And then my barista's like, hey, what's up, Jeff? Like, I have friends with everyone. Beautiful weather. Yeah, wherever I go, like, because I go to the same spots. And I never, I talked to everyone.

51:37So like I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that community is the best or whatever. Like in my little community. But then I turn on my phone. You know, you seen this old Boba Domi guy? He's a Muslim. He's going to ruin New York. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. This time of the year really makes me stop and think about all the people in my life that I'm grateful for. My family, my friends, and my team here on this show. They work so hard to bring you new episodes for this podcast every week. And I wouldn't be able to do it without them. If you want your own solid team for your business, start with ZipRecruiter.

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54:53It's like right-wing people post stuff like that. And you're like, is that real? You know, are they really going to defund the police? Are they really going to, you know, have struggle sessions? I am buying a house here. Are you? In Texas? Yeah. Yee-haw! Yeah, like about 30, 40 minutes from here. Nice. You're already locked on it? No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday. Oh, tomorrow. Not Wednesday, tomorrow. I got a good lady if you need one. She's the best. I have a chick who's pretty good. She's like the number one in Arizona. Arizona's not Texas. I know, but she has all these contacts.

55:24Also, I just know her. Okay. So that helps. It's good to be loyal. Yeah. And she found a bunch of good stuff. Yeah, about 40 minutes from here. Well, that's good, too. 40 minutes from here, out in the Tripping Springs area. It's quiet. That's what I want. I want quiet. You go out at night, you hear. I want to go to a lake. you know be able to like i'm kind of in this kind of la thing and this i'm i could be guilty of of being a victim of like what i'm absorbing in my algorithm but like gavin newsom scares the shit out of me and i i'm i'm i don't want to be a part of it yeah he wants to run the whole country too it's wild pretty wild and those fires were quite a wake-up call for even if you know whatever you believe about the fires the way it was dealt with was pretty scary it was not competent that's for sure even the aftermath yeah and was not competent the the conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land and that's what i'm talking about it's like what do you well we'll make a smart town you're like that's kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened see when he's doing a little dance in front of burnt houses I know.

56:36Are you a sociopath? Because that's how sociopaths behave. They're not like totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground. Did 5 ,000 peace people resign? I don't think they say they threatened to resign. There's no credible evidence that 5 ,000 peace officers resigned. Okay, why don't you say did they threaten to resign? I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers. Oh, okay. In perplexity it says did 5 ,000 people resign? No. What actually happened, official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition.

57:16See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5 ,000 officers. I didn't see any that said resign. I saw something that said are threatening to resign. Go back to where I was reading. Once have been debunked as rumors or satire. NYPD has about 33 ,745 uniformed officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year. So it's like maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys. A lot of guys are threatening to resign. Well, I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers.

57:56Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer for the last like. Like, pre-Black Lives Matter, I know a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their, like, Christmas thing at the LAPD. Great audience members. You want to talk about good audience members? Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life is very good audience members. They can take a joke. Yeah, oh, great at taking jokes. And they need to see the humor in life, you know? Like, they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real shit. But that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, hey, you know, I'm a police.

58:37And I'm like, what's with this embarrassment? Like, why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like— You have to whisper it. Yeah, why? I like cops. I think that they're great. They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day. Anytime you've ever had to call a cop, it's not a great day. It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power hungry bad guys.

59:15And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what's going on. so I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want they go I'm gonna move, they make those kind of threats some people do move I respect Rosie and Ellen for that don't you respect that? every celebrity says they're gonna leave well it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote not only that, you're living in Ireland but at least they said what they were gonna do you're living in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either well that's true But at least they left.

59:53Now you gotta move to a new place in England. Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't. That's true. Yeah, there's always a lot of that. A lot of people said they were going to move to Canada. Great. Good luck with that. But now you're just America-lite? Well, you're America communist. Now. Canada's nuts. But now you're, like, still reliant on America. I know, Sat, that I wanted to look up, that I just read. I put this into perplexity. one out of 20 deaths last year i read this article that was saying was assisted suicide that can't be true that can't be true where'd you see it because aquino canada has an assisted suicide program a national assisted suicide program yeah can you imagine if there's some corruption in that oh well crap there's corruption in everything jeff everything Every fucking thing.

1:00:42There's corruption in religion. Right? There's corruption in science. There's corruption in medicine. Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know? Oh, I won't even question if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, that's so stupid. Well, yeah. It's accurate for Canada. Wow. One in 20? One in 20? One in 20? Canada. I know, I just, yeah. Canada. Yeah. Let me see the numbers. That's still a lot, isn't it? Show the perplexity. Look at this. This is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7 % of all deaths in Canada.

1:01:26That's wild. That is so crazy. How do we get more specific? What would be an example of how - We'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so fucking insane. insane one out of 20 people who die in canada are getting assisted suicide how many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to they could have had an ibogaine journey maybe they could have fucking done something differently with their life to get them out of depression how many of them could could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition so what are the conditions is it did you put that in there The average age of them is 70.

1:02:0977. So that's old. Yeah, that is old. But however, my mom's 80. She's great. What's going on? Yeah. She doesn't want to. What is it? Just because you're 77, are you not enjoying life? Or is it one out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness? And I am being short-sighted because I'm not thinking. They're like going to die soon anyway. they choose to die on their own. Is that the case? Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable and track two is not reasonably foreseeable for natural death. Right. So track two recipients, this is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese.

1:02:51Some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease. So what are the parameters? Let's put this, ask a follow-up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada? Let's just ask that. How do you qualify for MAID? Because if it's just you're depressed. That's scary. That's crazy. Right, and very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, I'm done with my fight, please help me. Right. Is what track one is, but we're talking about track two. Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions.

1:03:31Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay, that's normal. Voluntary request. Informed consent. Have a serious and incurable illness, disease, or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person. But that's the key phrase there. Acceptable to the person is interesting. Be an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability. Okay. Are people with depression, just write severe. Are people with severe depression eligible for MAID? Write that. Severe depression. Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease.

1:04:19Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything. I can't spell anything. Ever. I never have been. Jamie, you're rolling the dice with eligible? You're an animal. Ed knows. In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness are currently not eligible for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027. However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous or irremediable.

1:05:01Boy, that's a word. Have you ever said that word? Irremediable? Irremediable. I've never said that word. You know who you're talking to. I've never said that. But I've never even seen that. Irremediable. physical health condition that meets MAID's criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. When MAID for mental illness becomes legal, they say it like it will be. 2027, March. Oh, okay. That's what I'd read. Okay. This was the issue. So they were going to. Okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027 so there's a year and a few months and then these people are eligible for this uh as a 25 severe depression alone does not qualify so what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well it's the end of their life and they're like i'd like to go out on my own terms that's fair i don't want to just walk into a library with a 44 and make people clean up or they go i'm a financial burden on my family right or those kind of things yeah when you're an old person you feel a little guilt that like, ah, my kids.

1:06:07That's true. And also sometimes people, like one of their loved ones dies and they don't want to be alone. They just can't. They've been with this person for 45 years. My dad just died and my mom is not doing great with the, I mean, she's been with him since she was 17. It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died and he was fine up until then. And it was just like the grief was just intolerable. Yeah, and she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively, I don't know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not himself for the last year. And so when he passed, my mom did feel a little relief.

1:06:48Like, you know, I'm kind of his caretaker. Right, right. And so then feel guilt about the relief. You know, I don't want to feel relieved that someone that I've known my whole life is gone. and then now trying to mourn that. It's very, very complicated. It's real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines. The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of, even an eating disorder is, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or something as simple as that. Those people are saints that can work with anybody cognitively or any kind of dysphoria.

1:07:31Those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it. I'm very direct. I'm very want to have a good time. I'm not good at being like, how don't you see this? Apparently there's some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's. One of them, I wonder if it was dementia or Alzheimer's, was the supplementation with selenium. See if you can find what that is. That's what I was going to say that I glanced at quickly, And I was like, I better remember this. I probably shouldn't say this on here, but there's a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with. And her mom had some sort of dementia or something like this.

1:08:10And their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended was shock therapy. And it worked. Really? It works for now, I guess. At least they're all going, wait. Now she's saying, didn't you just come over last week and we talked about that? Like she's having things like that's why I'm saying I don't know if I should say it on here because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy. Yeah. It's funny because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing. Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy? And I said, I don't know much about that.

1:08:49Yeah. You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like you hear about the horror stories. I don't know. Right. One flew over the cuckoo's nose. Those are lumbotomies, though, right? I think that was a shock therapy thing. I thought those were lumbotomies. Well, might be. It might be lumbotomy. Those, we've all agreed. Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out. They did them forever. Yeah, because those guys wanted money. I think it was like the year I was born or the year before I was born, they stopped doing them. I heard all these stories about there would be people who would still, you know, on the fringes of it.

1:09:20Because they didn't want to shut down their practice. So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you. Like basement abortions. Yeah, and they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lumbotomies. But we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it. It's lobotomy. Is it? Am I saying it right? I think it was short. It's a lobotomy. Dude, you know what, Joe? For a big part of my life, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy. Hold on. What did you just say? The movie was shock therapy. Yeah, it was. No, it was. And the... Sarah Bell's palsy? We're watching this game or something and the guy looked crazy and I go looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy My friend no one laughed No one left Which is a good comedy note is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something No one's on board with it But if you say it around comedians Well I said around a bunch of people watching football I go looks like he's got a Sarah Bell's palsy and everyone just looked at me And then my friend Katie's like did you say Sarah Bell's?

1:10:12And I was like wasn't that what it is? She's like cerebral palsy and I was like I don't know I've never seen the movie so I don't know how it ended It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized. Is that in the book? The big chief guy was lobotomized. That's the plot of the movie. The big boy, yeah. Oh, so he was lobotomized, but was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well? No, they were just in a cuckoo house, yeah. But at the end - Shock therapy here. Right, they did shock therapy, but remember at the end he was like totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too.

1:10:41Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn't it like 67? Please, lumbotomy. Lumbotomies. When they stopped doing lumbotomies. This is a thing I have. What year was it? I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about. It's fun. The one doctor did almost all of them. What? He did one third of them. That's a lot. How many did he do? How rich was he? What was his net worth? I bet he had a nice Mercedes. I bet he had a huge house. Yeah, one third of his 3 ,500 lobotomies performed very successful. and 490 resulted in fatalities. Wait, hold on. He killed 490 people by scrambling their brains.

1:11:23Which ones were successful? They were perfect. But what does that mean? Billy just drools. Now he doesn't fuck the dog anymore. He's not annoying us with his undiagnosed autism. Now he just sits there. It's not successful. Hey, he doesn't fuck the dog anymore. It's a success. That's the guy? Oh, that fucking creepy-looking psycho. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's how they did it. They went right through the fucking eyeball, man. I thought they went through the nose. No, they go through the nether way. They could do both, probably. I thought they always... There's one through the nose. Oh, there's the nose.

1:11:54That's the one I knew about. They do both ways, through the nose, through the fucking eyeball. Fucking God damn it. And in the end, look, he's happy. Oh, I thought he was giving a thumbs up. He was a mess. I thought he was going, hell yeah. I feel great. Imagine if they just scrambled it a little. So it's like you're just on ecstasy all day. Whee! I love everybody. I will say the first time I did mushrooms, I was like... Because my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want, it's not like cocaine or E or anything. You're not going to become addicted to mushrooms. You're not going to want to do mushrooms every day.

1:12:26And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, you guys were wrong. And they're like, what? I go, I just want to feel like this all the time. Like you lost your mind. Like this is the right state of being for me. It's the best. It should be legal. It's the best drug. It's better at making people better people than anything. Yes. All I wanted to do, and still since then, is like, let's just talk and connect and let's find a way. Let's be nice. Yeah, let's be good. Let's be nice to each other. Nobel Prize for the... Oh, wow! Not the same doctor, but a different doctor.

1:12:58Oh, okay. Nobel Prize. That'd make people go ahead and get it, right? So they started getting him in 35, and then in 49, Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it. And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one third of them? Yeah, he made it a 10-minute procedure. Nice. In and out. Nice. It's quick. It's quick. You got an appointment at noon. Come in at 11. I'll have the kid drooling in the parking lot at 11.35. It's like a chiropractor. Just come in. We'll give. This episode is brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee Company. This November, Black Rifle Coffee Company is doing more than dropping the boldest coffee roasts.

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1:15:04Yeah, well, snap it. It's fast, dude. You'll be at Chipotle in no time. I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors. Oh, really? There's been a ton of those stories. Do you ever go to them? You're a body guy. No, I don't go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say I'm a doctor? They don't go to medical school for three seconds. That's why I hate all those arguments of authority. You're not a scientist. You're not it's like well neither. They kind of like something's like vented by a magnetic healer Who was a kook who learned about it in a seance?

1:15:38He was a complete kook and then he was killed by his son It was a con man his son ran him over with a car and then his son took over the business And that's the and then it got grandfathered in anyone to know bill peace, but he got grandfathered in so but here's the thing So manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits. Like manipulating tissue. I get a trigger point massage. It's really painful, but it's very effective. There's real benefits to it. So there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover.

1:16:17But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts. The initial claims is gonna cure leukemia thyroid cancer. They're just gonna adjust your back It's a C4 C5 This connection will pop and then they grab you and yank your neck and it's so scary And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops You have a fucking stroke. Yeah, and that's not happened just once. It's happened a bunch of times I grew up playing video games to where I and watching all these action movies, you know and I thought that just twisting a guy's head, like, you know, like you'd kill him.

1:16:51You think that's all it took, you know, like I snuck up behind that guy in the video game and just that's all I did. Meanwhile, chiropractors are doing that to you. He's doing it all day. You ever seen him do it to babies? No. Oh my God, it's so crazy. People that are like full on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor and the chiropractor is adjusting the baby's skull and moving the baby's skull. I would not. I'm like, yo! Your parental ideas of like, they're all scrapped. Like you're supposed to keep it safe. The idea of handing it to a chiropractor. They believe it. They believe it.

1:17:20And so they think they're doing a good thing. Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things up? Yeah, fuck you. Jamie, can you bring up some dog chiropractors? Oh, I've seen this. I've seen it. And the dogs look at the chiropractor like, what'd you just do? But also I do feel a little bit better. The dog's so sweet about it. Like, I think I'm good, actually. You got to get the right dog for that job. A lot of pit bulls because they're all strong and shit. And so like they'll just adjust it. Yeah. I've seen like montages of it and it's pretty adorable. Why is he going to do this dog's neck? Please don't.

1:17:51Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And look at the dog looking up at him. I don't think you need to do that to that dog. I don't think that's necessary. Watch this. Look at the way he looks at him. But here's the thing. What studies are they showing where this is all good? That's a Belgian Malinois, bro. You can't hear it, but it goes pop. I don't want to hear it. I don't know if that does anything. I don't know if that's good. I think if you got your dog a massage, it would be really good for them. Yeah, I think all that snapping and the popping like are you loosening it up and making it more mobile?

1:18:22Well, if that's the case you can do that with spinal decompression and massage. I have this thing I've been doing it with my friends dogs, and they've been loving it. I put this thing on my neck I'm like don't do that you're gonna get a bitch I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin. It's got a like a rope Oh, yeah That hangs on my chin up bar and I just I've seen them advertise it because you use it. Oh, there you go Look at this. He's giving his dog a back crack. Oh, bro. That's the camel's clutch, dude. You're just lucky that dog is sweet. He's letting you do your nonsense. Dude, this guy.

1:18:54Dogs just love getting rubbed. That's all it is, yeah. Yeah, they love getting rubbed. That's all petting is, is kind of a massage, you know? That's what they love. They love massages. They don't have to pretend they don't. You love massages, too. Everybody does. We don't have to ask them about that. They like it. If we were like dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them. Yeah, it'd be fine. You come over to my house, dude, Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub them. That's my favorite thing about dogs. He assumes you want to rub his belly. Yeah, dogs don't go this guy's probably a Who'd he vote for?

1:19:19No, dogs aren't ever like worried. My dog go up to like a homeless. They don't care. What's up homeless guy? Yeah, he loves them. Yeah, they're they're the best but we don't deserve them But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor But people that think that you should bring your dog. It's because they believe in the chiropractors. There's a great article called Chiropractors are bullshit But pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast. And I read the article and then I had her explain it to me. Yeah. It was back in L.A. And I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing. I thought they were doctors.

1:19:52I thought they were actual doctors. I went to one of those ones. It's called The Joint. And, you know, you can just like, you can just walk in and they'll do it. And I think a lot of it for me was placebo. Like, I just thought like, oh, they told me this is good for me. So I'm doing it. You know, I wasn't having pain or anything. Yves Detremont is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article. But it's crazy. I like the title. It's a crazy story. When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts. Because it's one of those things that's just grandfathered in. And if you're allowed to be doctor, like we should be doctors of comedy.

1:20:24Would you like to be Dr. Jeff? Jeff MD, dude. Oh, wait, not MD. What would it be? Well, you're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine. Sure. So I think we should get doctors of comedy. Maybe we should do that like at the mothership Just start handing out doctorates of comedy That's how you get past kind of You headline, you do your first theater tour I'll give you a doctorate I worked under Ron White and then I got my I mentored under Ron White Exactly Ron White was patient zero here Because Ron moved out here before the pandemic Really? Yeah, he's the reason why I decided to move out here Because, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever And knowing him from the comedy store He was always like one of the coolest guys to hang out with He's the best, dude He's the best.

1:21:05And so we were hanging out in the back bar, and he was telling me he's moving to Texas. I go, what? What are you doing? You're here. Don't go. Sounds insane, yeah. This is nuts. He's like, oh, it's the best. He goes, I want to keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this fucking place is, the food's the best. The people are nice. If I want to fly, I'm in the middle. Right. It's three hours here, three hours. And I was like, damn, he's got a good point. So when the shit started getting weird in LA, and they were burning cop cars on the freeway, That's when daddy was like, I got to get out of here.

1:21:36Because my kids are little, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous. And we all agreed. It just doesn't feel right. I don't feel like they're going to open this up. I think this is bullshit. Let's get the fuck out of here. It's not like you're an actor. Exactly. Right. Exactly. I was like, I'm flying. You acted, but you weren't an actor. I wasn't interested in doing it anymore. And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway. And I was like, I'll figure it out. I'll do Zoom calls. I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to live here. I want to live my life.

1:22:05I'd be happy making less money and doing it somewhere else, and maybe it's not as good. Have you thought about making other motherships? We did. We have. We've talked about it. Where? We've talked about New York. We've talked about Vegas. What about Florida? Here's the thing. To do it, I mean, this is just like based on what we've done in Austin, right? What we did in Austin is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light. Every green light along the way, we got in the right spot. So, like, the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Egott, and I've been friends with Adam Egott from back when he was running the improv in Tempe.

1:22:48So that's when I knew him. I knew him from back then. And then he came to California, and he started working at the comedy store when I had already been banned. So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven year exodus and he came to meet me at the improv They showed you by the way What? Comedy store band They really showed you So he came to meet me at the improv and he's like dude come back It's you know I'm there now I'm the talent coordinator and I thought about it And then I wound up coming back because of Ari Because you know Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends and he was filming his special there And I had known Ari since he was a doorman I knew him when he was a doorman there and now he's filming a special I'm like I don't give a fuck I have to be there I have to be there for him and I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn't been there in seven years and you know it was super friendly hugged everybody it was great and then I saw Ari and Ari killed and the special was awesome and it was just such a happy moment to see him like accomplish this thing going from being a doorman to having your own comedy central special while he's also doing a show on comedy central that's what he's doing this is not happening yeah i was on that so it was like i had to come back so that that was 2014 and becoming really good friends with adam and knowing him from the improv like knowing him from back in the day and then becoming friends with him when he was the account coordinator we had talked about like what are the problems with running a club?

1:24:21What is the problems with people telling you, oh, you have to have more of this on your show or more of that on your show, or you're problematic, and people getting mad about this, mad about that. I'm like, it's got to be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good. David Tell's never complaining about diversity. You know what I'm saying? It's like the people that are complaining, generally they're mediocre at best. And he was like, you're right. I go, but you can't give into them because there's a lot of them and they yell and they you know they make it seem like it's a big deal but the big deal is laughs being doing good comedy being having an original idea being funny here's the world through my eyes this is how i've crafted it for you that's all it is everything else is a fucking distraction and we both agreed on that and so wouldn't the comedy store shut down and then i moved out here there was a like a long time where i was like I don't know what to do like do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast like no one's doing comedy We was months and months and no comedy and then Dave and I started doing shows at stubs So Dave was like I want to do a show at stubs Let's do like a residency there.

1:25:30I'm like fuck. Yeah, let's do it So he and I did like we had done a ton of shows a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together And so the stubs thing came along and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this All right, we're doing this now and I guess we're doing comedy again And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan. And the Vulcan is indoor and it's loud and it's rowdy and it was naughty. Like it was crazy that you're doing a November 2020 indoor show. Punk rock. And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here. Then everything got weird. And I was like, whoa, we got like Tom Segura moved here.

1:26:05Duncan Trussell moved here. Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Brian Simpson moved here. I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. Derek Poston moved here. Asana Ma moved here. I'm like, we got a real crew here. And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dillon came. It was like over and over again. Joe DeRosa came. Shane Gillis came. And so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, it feels better here. The scene feels more alive. Because L.A. was still shut down. And so then Ron White basically grabbed me by the shoulders. One night after he hadn't done stand-up in like six months and he grabs me goes whatever the fuck we have to do We're gonna keep doing this you got to open up a club.

1:26:47I'm like, we're gonna open up a club. Let's go And then that's how it all started But we had to hit every light like Adam had to be out of a job All the people that we got from the comedy store that were great We brought over a bunch of people right they all had to be out of a job, right? So the comedy store had to be closed otherwise Why would you leave the comedy stores the greatest place on earth? Yeah, so then it was like everything else had to be closed down So the comics knew that they could do stand-up in Texas. And so, like, well, let's just go to Texas. And it just—people decided, I like doing stand-up more than I like living in L.A.

1:27:18Yeah. And then once they came out here, they were like, I think I like it out here better. It is. It's amazing what you've got. And also, my favorite thing about the scene here is the mothership helps everything around as well. so I can't get over every time that I've been here how inviting how cool all the young comics are all these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it and they're here at these other places they're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing and there's all this other stuff so it has the most buzz as for not buzz That's a stupid word.

1:27:58It has a feeling. It has like this vibe. It has this aura. Whereas like that used to be in New York and that used to be in L.A. And I don't feel it in those places anymore. I'm actually lucky that I can go do the cellar and I can go do the stand and I can do those things. I can go to the comedy store. I can go to the improv. I'm at a place where they'll have me. But there's not like a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots. Your club has that. Well, there's a couple things it has an advantage of, right? One is Kill Tony. That's the biggest advantage.

1:28:29The big advantage of there's a show that's Monday night that is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth, and you might be able to get on it. And if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're going to ask you back. And if you've got another tight minute, oh, my God, you might have a fucking career. Exactly. You might have a fucking career. And that's happened time and time again. Like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now. Yes, sir. And that came straight out of Kill Tony. 100%. And Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim. So is a lot of William Montgomery. There's a lot of people coming out of there that do great.

1:29:03And they have a real career now. Ari Maddy has a real career now. It's amazing. Casey Rocket, it's an amazing resource. 100%. So that's the big one is that there's a real pathway. And then there's also two nights of open mic night. Two nights. So we make sure. We have plenty of open mic night time. You get to do an open mic night at the best club in the world. and then on top of that it's like the club is the only club that i know of that was designed not to make money all i wanted to do is break even i'm like i just don't want to lose any money you know because it's so much money to make a club and build it in the first place you have to buy a building you have to hire all these people to fix it and turns it's a lot of money invested i'm like i just want to lose a lot of money which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations because they do all these corner cutting or they do like they're trying to fuck you over.

1:29:52Yeah, but they're also desperate in a way, like these guys, they'll you know, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners, and they feel that pressure of like, I gotta keep this alive, I don't wanna keep losing money. I used to tell comics be nice to club owners because you don't wanna be one. You do not wanna be one. And then I went and became one. But you're doing it honorably. I'm lucky that I have other ways of making a living. Most club owners, they're club owner by definition. That's what they do for a job this is not what I do for a job this is just I do this for literally to make a comedy environment right so it's the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that's how it should be great people aren't coming to see drinks right coming to see a guy do his art a woman do her art on stage yep so that person should get most of the money and that's how it should be and it should be that way because it's the right way to do it and because it builds the art form.

1:30:51You have more people making money so they don't have to leave as much. They don't have to go out of town as much. They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff. And there's all these satellite rooms. There's the Sunset Strip that's right down the street from us. You could walk there in three minutes. That's Red Band's club. It's killing. Creaking the Cag is an awesome spot. That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special. He filmed it. It's amazing. It's a great club. That's another club we did a lot during the pandemic. and then you've got all these other clubs cap city's a great fucking club that's just 20 minutes away they're all there's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now yeah because comedy is a fun thing to do it and people love you know and we can do it in a way where it's not connected to fucking hollywood it's not connected to movies it's not connected to tv it's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long That people thought like the golden goose was be a late-night talk show host That was the golden goose a job that I wouldn't there's no fucking way If they doubled my money, I'd be like I'm not doing that.

1:31:58I can't do it. It's not me right when it's also not really stand-up It's so many times like people like so do you want to like is it are you doing this because of like you want to be a movie stars? I was like no, I'm doing excited love stand-up comedy. Yeah, I just watched the starting five of it's called Starting Five on Netflix but they follow NBA players and the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends I think that's the annoying part like I want to hear them talk about basketball like the thing they love right that inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy the way they pursue their basketball you know like their career so anyways but what I was inspired by was like Kevin Durant who I thought I hated my whole life was awesome he just wants to play basketball like that's all it is for him he's like yeah I'm I just want to go out there and hoop and he keeps going into that thing of like, man, I don't want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things.

1:32:49He makes money, but it's not about the money for him and it's not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues. And I love that because I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part. I love that I can write a bit and then that night try it and people love it or they go, what an interesting idea or that's funny or that's naughty or that's I've never thought of it like that. You know, when When you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever, like when you go to like the Trump rally or when I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing. But those aren't undecided voters. Those are people who are there because they're already in.

1:33:25You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that. But with stand-up comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes. Yeah. And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe, and the crowd will listen to me and decide if I'm not funny or funny. But you're getting into their ear. You're getting into them going, I've never thought of it like that. That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear. You know, like it's just like I think comedy is such a gift that way.

1:34:00But I was like, I think I'm like Kevin Durant. I like the girls and I like the money and I like I love all that stuff. But for me, I did a spot here. I can't remember what it was. And they were like, dude, we can't thank you enough for coming. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, I get up on any fucking stage. And he tried to slide me money. I go, give it to the other guys. Like, I came to do this because I was happy you'd have me on. Like, I just couldn't. That's a great attitude. Yeah, it's so much better to just tell jokes. I don't need to be famous. That would be a good symptom.

1:34:29That would be a great symptom of it. But like. It also comes with its own problems. All those other stuff. Yeah, yeah all those stuff, but That's the best attitude is just love what you do love what you do and all the success comes because of it But the moment you start thinking about the success only and then making decisions based only on getting and entertaining more success Instead of thinking about the thing. Yeah, you know and that's what they do. They seduce you they go want to be in this movie I want to be the hyenas like you were saying The hyenas they circle but I don't want to be an actor and thank you for the opportunity And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that.

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1:37:12engineered with next level technology it's the most responsible choice to keep whatever's inside safe from flame flood and theft you hold yourself to the highest standard and so do we if it means something master it master lock buy it now still gonna do it no matter what yeah yeah i just love it yeah i would do it forever it's the most fun art form yeah you know and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible. You should be happy. If you're fucking complaining, you're missing out. I won't say this comic's name because I just don't want any trouble with this guy, but I remember I was at a festival, and I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night.

1:37:59We're in the green room, and they were so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented, and they said, they go, so how much time do you want to do? He was like, how much time Am I contracted to do and they were like, oh, well, you know you your books for 45 minutes But I was just letting you know you're the end of the show and everyone's here to stay used to just do whatever you want He goes then I'm doing the 45 minutes and I remember thinking the fuck is wrong with you like They're happy you're here everyone is excited. Yeah, just if you tell me that bro, I'm on stage for two hours 45 minutes good, but I'm gonna stay up there, you know cuz I like being up there Yeah, it's fun.

1:38:39Boo. It's not, you're not pouring concrete, dude. Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people. Like, what an exciting job you have. That's exciting. I think where that comes from is, like, in the beginning, it's, like, really hard. It's hard to do. It's hard to get paid. It's hard. And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think, like, what do I have to do? 45 minutes and that's what I'm doing. Crazy. Yeah, you like instead of like wow I made it I actually I can actually get paid to go do comedy now I'll get 45 minutes not important.

1:39:16Okay, I'll go fuck around have some fun. That's got some exactly like that's so I've worked at Hollywood video I've worked at any coffee shop that was like I've had over like 40 different coffee jobs Because I just couldn't keep a job like I was always living somewhere different or like pursuing comedy so aggressively that like I just needed a job so I was good at getting the job and then I would fuck off or do something stupid and I'd get like let go or I'd move and just ghost that job you know I've had all these jobs but whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job right because Because not because the job was great but because it's gonna be a better experience here if I like it If I at least trick myself into liking it.

1:40:07There's not it wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in a Hollywood video, but I Want to enjoy my job like that was more fun to like be happy to be there So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream and you're you have that attitude Like I just can't get my mind around that Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to be good. There's a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny. Like they have to be upset. They have to be angry. I used to think that when I was really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe I should stop meditating.

1:40:50Because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won't think I don't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage. Sure. Which is like a big part of my act. Yeah. You didn't want to be happy. I didn't want to be happy. Yeah. But that was me at 21 or whatever. Yeah. Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorites ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things. Like I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy. Like the way he talks about work ethic, the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined, he's very good.

1:41:24So I always hang on everything Jerry says in those things. I think he's the best. Look up any time he's been interviewed. But Jerry, although he's clean, right? He's a clean comic. And although he's a husband and a dad, and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich. He does have this edge to him. There still is like an irritability. Yeah, and I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of like I need that I need to be But you could well he's also smart and he's talking to morons all the time And that's how you get an edge like that yeah probably doesn't have like a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with I agree you get alienated You're smarter than kids Right, but you also you you got you made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s never have to work again for a day In your fucking life you have a hundred Porsches, right?

1:42:13You're just collecting portions. You're bored as fuck. And then morons want to say, you know what my favorite episode was? Like, I don't fucking care. All day, yeah, yeah. I don't want to hear this anymore. I'm sure you get that all the time. Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing, and you go, I don't know. Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him. Yeah. Yeah. But he's, I get it. I get why he would be a little prickly. Like, some of the questions are really fucking stupid. Oh, for sure. There was a big racism controversy about his show. Right. Comedians in cars drinking coffee.

1:42:40Which is why I'm surprised he wasn't he's not more vocal about that, but he did a great thing like He's like I don't care speak the language of funny if you're funny I don't care what you are which is the right answer and a lot of people like oh that sounds racist That's a great answer. Yeah, if that's racist. This is you're expecting something that you're not gonna get which you're expecting people to abandon Meritocracy in the most meritocracy based art form you could like you have to have a specific response from people, right? You have to get a laugh. Yeah. And you're creating it all yourself.

1:43:10There's no talking. It's just you. Yeah. That's it. And so if it's comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny. Because everything else is bullshit. This idea that there's not enough women, there's not enough black people, there's not enough... It's insane. Stop. Right. Stop. Yeah. Let them do whatever the fuck they want. There was an interview that goes. What do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah? And then he goes, I don't know. I'm looking at your audience. A lot of whiteys in here. That's what he said.

1:43:41Oh, it's the best because it's like it's so true. So true. Look at your friend groups. Look at your life. Fuck off. When you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color, you could call every culture racist. I went to my buddy's family barbecue who's a Polynesian. He's a Pacific Islander guy. One real diverse family reunion. Right? Because that's the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have the whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages. I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more? There's not any Filipinos here. That's not how it works.

1:44:17I would say that. I think I've said it a couple of times on stage, but I wonder if liberals go to Japan and they're like, this is disgusting. It's all Japanese people here. It's not very diverse. I wonder. Do they go to Russia? Oh, my gosh. Where's the diversity here? That's not how things work. No, there's a lot of countries that aren't diverse at all. And it's fine as long as they're black. You know what I mean? If it's like all black, it's totally fine. But all like Poland's a problem. That's a real problem. Yeah, it's insane to me. Well, people are just weird. And look, racism is bad. So because actual racism is bad, people look for racism all sorts of places.

1:44:57And then they start deciding that things are racist. or they could do it with a lot of stuff. We were talking about this the other day, this idea of silence as violence. Shut the fuck up. That's crazy. Nobody ever punched you then. I'll show you some violence, bitch. Then you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence? Come to the UFC with me. I'll show you what this is. See, that's what violence is. This is a sport of it. These are nice people. That's actual violence. Not fucking words. It's definitely not silence. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones.

1:45:28You go, let's go back to names. I'm happy with names. There was less blood when you were calling me names. Yeah, you're being silly. Silence is not violence, you fucking idiot. That's so dumb. Silence is just silence. It's pretty nice. But it shows what you want. It's what you want to force people to comply. You want to force people to say what you want them to say. Put that black square on your Instagram. It's a leverage of power. Exactly. Yeah, and it's a bunch of losers. It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel of that bus. Yeah. And they're going right off the cliff, and they want to bring you with them.

1:45:59I'm like, what are you doing? Not a fun place. Not fun. Yeah, don't like it. Not fun. That's not the world we live in. Yeah. Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all. That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody an ist or whatever the fuck you are. You have a phobia, whatever it is. All these people seem to be miserable. Yeah. Yeah, they don't seem very happy. In the same world. And they're proud of their anger. Which is odd. Yeah. It's like, find some things to love, okay? There's a lot to love in this world. Comic went on and killed Tony last night.

1:46:32He was so great. And I am remiss that I don't remember his name. And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before. It's probably in his act. But he was able to rattle off all his interests. He's like, oh, I'm in. Universal Studios, let's go. Monster Truck Rally, let's do it. And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I'm like, that's how I want to live. I live, or I mean, I do live like that. And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go. I go to the gay pride parade. I've got a lot of gay friends.

1:47:01Let's fucking do it. Like, like whatever it is. Right. That's so much better of an attitude. Right. Just like, let's let's do it all. Let's let's let's jump in these things. Like, that's so much more fun than going. We're not going there because of this. And we're not doing that because of this. And this is probably it's like it's too exhausting. Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active. They've got something to think about. It's their sports. Yeah, it is. Politics for a lot of people is their sport. And it's not just their sports. It's like their fanatical Red Sox fans.

1:47:29It's their religion. Yeah. It's Red Sox to the death. And that's what it is. Like, fuck the Yankees. That's all it is, man. It's the same thing. So the sports one is where I think it's a little different because the Yankees fan doesn't want to murder the Red Sox fan. Unless you're in Philly. We both still like baseball. They break people's legs in Philly. Yeah, sometimes, you know. But I'm saying they still like baseball. Yes. They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark. You know, we're having a hot dog. And it's like, fuck you. And you're like, fuck you. And it's fun. You know, it's fun. But, like, the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots.

1:48:02Right. They're going, well, this is, I wouldn't even, Jimmy Kimmel's wife, I can't even talk to them anymore. I don't think she said that. I think she said she was having a hard time talking to them. I might be, I've watched it a bunch. But so what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office. But now she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her that like that now she's made the decision to not. And it's like that's that's where it's a problem. Struggling with it's fine. If family reunions want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something, I think that's healthy.

1:48:39And let's talk about it, because if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid. But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is. That's a problem. Well, it doesn't seem smart. Yeah. It doesn't seem healthy, you know, if you don't have any room for disagreement. But it's also like the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb. It's very dumb. It's so dumb. I can't believe. And then he went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers as well, right? Yeah. Called them losers too. Yes, yes, yes. That's crazy. That's so dumb.

1:49:15I don't understand. I guess no one is around to tell him that. He must be in a bubble. He's 100 % in a bubble. But that's also the way he's behaved his whole life. That's how he would attack you if he was on The Apprentice. You know I was supposed to do The Celebrity Apprentice? I was supposed to do it too, but way after it was good. I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I was supposed to do it with him. With Trump? Yes. Okay. It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC. They asked me to do celebrity apprentice and I thought about it. My kids were really young at the time I didn't want to live in New York and I was like, how long does it take?

1:49:48It takes forever And then also like that guy's gonna be mean to me. I'm gonna be like fuck It's not fun. That's not gonna be fun. Like I'm not good with that You know, I'll get real I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done celebrity apprentice Hmm interesting. I think he always had an understanding of of like how the whole political process worked. Like there's an interesting interview of him way back in the day. I think he was talking to Barbara Walters maybe. It was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this was back when he was a Democrat.

1:50:26Yeah. He was a Democrat for a long portion of his life. And, you know, I think Elon said it best. He's a product of his time. You know, and that's the thing. This is an almost 80-year-old man who's a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters. Loves America. Because that's what he always liked. He's like, I like my name, big gold letters. Like, everything's big and gold. That's what he genuinely likes. Which, if people knew that about him, they would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because, like, if you read his book, like, there was a part where he was like, he's like, uh.

1:51:00Okay, do you think he really wrote the book? Uh, no, but I don't think anyone does. Dennis Rodman didn't write his book. He just had a guy follow him. Some people write their own book for sure. But not the majority. Yeah. Or actually, that's not true. The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops. They have ghost writers. They have ghost writers. But he was talking about this. This building's the biggest in New York. It's the best. And they were like, it's not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean.

1:51:28And if you know that, then you kind of give him a little more grace when he's just saying. It's just kind of how he is. Right, right, right. I'm the best. It doesn't mean he's really the best. It means he's got an attitude of the best. You saw the BBC thing, right? What thing? You didn't see the thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech? We talked about it yesterday. I'll just tell you real briefly. So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later. Right. The storm in the Capitol. Yes. Right. From the January 6th.

1:52:01Crazy. Yeah. Which is not journalism. Not journalism, but like full on lying and propaganda. And it's kind of fucking dangerous. And those are the things people watch. That's what I was saying. That shortened bullshit. Yes. But these people lost their jobs because of it. It's a big deal. Yeah. And not only that, but like they're getting hounded by reporters. They're asking them and the answers that they have for why they did what they did. It's like crazy. They felt it seems like these people. This is just my opinion. It seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good.

1:52:39So they lost all journalistic integrity. And it is the BBC which is like the height of journalistic integrity. If that doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate-controlled media, then nothing does. Right. Because that's pure rot. If at the top of the heap, you got like in my mind, if like somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, OK, that's like Washington Post. That's like New York Times. It's a very official source. So I'm thinking this must be real. And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying. And they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing and know he didn't say that.

1:53:23That's not how he said it at all. Yeah. And I think I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain. They go, I know that this is a little like whatever, but it's for our greater good. Right. So they're they're they're doing that with their own thing. Listen, I don't I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank. But if I twist this a little it's for the greater good right of what I am trying to do here And so they justify it to themselves. They say oh well now I know that I might have been a little political political politician II here, right?

1:54:03But it's for a greater good and it's vague and it's like listen he look he hates black people that's why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign because he did that thing where he said you know that he said that white nationalists are very fine people. Yeah. He said we have very fine people on both sides. And do you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying he said and what he said? What he said was the exact opposite. He said, and I'm not talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists. He's like, I forget the exact wordage he used. They should be condemned.

1:54:39Whatever he said. But along those lines. He specifically said, not those people. I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down. Yes. That there's very fine people on both sides. Some people just go, yeah, Robert E. Lee's a really bad guy, but it's like, this is a part of history. It is. Yeah. Yeah. This is just reality. Yeah. But using that during Kamala Harris's campaign, I was like, that's great. You know what he said. Yeah. You must know. They cut it up. But why would you sacrifice what's so valuable is your stature and your integrity? Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't gonna win anyway, right?

1:55:20I mean, I don't know if it's money or if it's some sort of oath or if it's Intentional whatever but like that stuff's so dangerous. I really like that shortening of like what someone said taking out of context I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russia gate stuff Because I think that that Russiagate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years. And a lot of people are really uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax. No, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax. And a lot of people coordinated that hoax. And there was a lot of people involved.

1:55:56And I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff. And he's doing that now. And you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think, the intelligence agencies, you think, what are they here for? They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems. But it seems like they also meddle. Yeah. And not just meddle, but like completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate, knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars, funding it all. For the greater good. For their greater good.

1:56:33Bro, I might say very fine people, too, if I was doing that. I might say whatever. He's a fucking Nazi. Let's not. He's Hitler. Let's say whatever the fuck. Keep him out of office. I think that's what happened with the, in a way, that's kind of what happened with, like, the Epstein list thing. I think, like, the reason you're never going to see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that that are on both sides. It would kind of be a, not a collapse, but, like, a social kind of, like, collapse of, like. Not just that. Both sides. I mean, I don't think there's, like, that you're not going to find all liberals went to this island.

1:57:06You're not going to find all conservatives went to this island. You're going to see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything. So it's like both this like stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this. But it's not just that. It's this ball of yarn of what did they do with the information? What did they do? If they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls. What did you do then when you were confronted by the fact that they know this? Right. What did you do? Like what decisions were made, what foreign policy decisions were made, what financial decisions were made, what money got donated, how much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there.

1:57:50How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island? That's why I'm glad that I mean I might be the very rich or anything But like if something you know if they try to figure out something on me This is this would be their research to be like all right. We found Jeff died He likes a sprite, you know But he also watches pro-reg they go they'd have nothing they would just be searching You're not a guy who's trying to run the world Yeah, the thing is everybody who wants to run the world everybody wants to be the president every they're all fucking They've all done weird shit.

1:58:33They're fucking crazy. And then they get into a position where they have, like, ultimate power and they're putting fucking masks on and fucking each other. And, I mean, that's skull and bone stuff. It's crazy stuff to me. Yeah. There's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap. Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange. Wow. People lose their fucking minds with any kind of power. And you got the kind of power where you're literally, like, running the government. You're literally running the whole government. I still wouldn't want to do bad stuff.

1:59:03Like, it's crazy. I guess my brain's too simple. You don't want to run the government. I know. But if I just, I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much shit on all these powerful people. Like, it's crazy. It's not crazy, though. Because you think, like, what is their pursuit? It's just like very bizarre pursuit. Because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place. Then you're not going to get anything on them. Because then they're Bernie Sanders. Right. You got nothing. Yeah, they just. You got nothing. You know, he might not be effective.

1:59:29But, you know, you don't have anything on him. That's it. He's not going to compromise. He doesn't have to. You got nothing on him. Or you got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason. And they're really not that extraordinary. But they're in a really shallow pool of talent. Right. Because that's the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor. It's a fucking shallow pool of talent. Because most people that have any kind of fucking talent talking don't want that job. Right. Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to fucking shoot at me?

1:59:59Yeah. Why would I want half the country to fucking hate me no matter what I do? Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of fucking money and power and influence is no way to fix it? And I'm just going to sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid white house. Like, fuck that. Because you took a photo with someone. So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds. And they're all kooks. They're all Gavin Newsoms. They're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trump's. And they're all kooky people. You know, and some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people, but only kooky people want the job.

2:00:32And until that changes and until not just kooky people want the job, non-kooky people want the job being president, but non-kooky people involved in Congress and the Senate and everything, regular rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to in the most reductionist way possible, make them out to be a moron because they're on the other side. actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you. So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can't be honest about your real opinions.

2:01:12That's the real fucking problem with that whole system. It is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball. That's where it gets real weird. They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulating just 16 months ago. It's crazy. It's like X or like Twitter. It's like nobody's on there to go, oh, I'm going to try and find some people's ideas. It's all like debate culture. You could put the most simple thing and you have 700 people who just want to go, but I don't go. The goal is to debate and argue and get into like win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say.

2:01:55There's not like nobody, like you said in the beginning, nobody's trying to just go, I think I really want to make it fair. No one's saying that. No. What's even more fun is Blue Sky. You ever go to Blue Sky? If you make an account, even in your name, you say Jeff Dye, I bet you'll be banned. Really? I bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes. Yes. You're problematic. You're a toxic male. What is Blue Sky? You're heterosexual. You're a cisgender male. That's. Which is what? Yeah. We already had male. We don't need to add that. I'm not doing it. I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why did they get to put cis on me?

2:02:30Cis on me. But if you go there, I saw this one conversation where someone said, they were talking about something saying, I'm trying to be zen about it. And then the next person said, try not to be racist against Asian people. From saying zen about it. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, that's crazy. It's whack-a-mole. They're just sitting there ready to whack. They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro-aggressions, any diversions from the narrative. It's so exhausting. I've never heard of this. It's like a liberal kind of Facebook or something. Most people bailed on it. So a lot of people like Stephen King said, I'm going over to Blue Sky.

2:03:09They all decided to go over to Blue Sky because Trump let them say whatever they want on Twitter. And they just didn't like the reality of the world. Right. And so they're like, this is bullshit. I'm leaving. And they all come back. They all come back to Twitter. because X is more fun. Exactly. It's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything you do. I do think that's the current problem with the world. I know that's very vague, but people just want to win the talk. Nobody wants to have the talk. Right. So it's more about like, well, here's what, you haven't thought about this.

2:03:41It's like, why are you talking at anyone like that? Right. Like, hear them out. And then they also have the, give them the luxury of being wrong. It's okay to be wrong. I'm wrong all the time But like like the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn or you know That's that's we should be having conversations not arguments But the thing is now you attach that to politics and you literally have to win the arguments Because that's what the whole game is the whole game is like get up in front of all those people and State your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent and that's it's stupid But they have to do it because they have to get elected because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power.

2:04:21And once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power. So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these. And there's a bill you want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector. This in the bill is going to help chips. And so, of course, you're going to put a mask on and go fuck a guy. You're crazy. You're doing a crazy job. You're doing ecstasy. You're hanging out with all these people that are running the world. Of course, you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere. That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.

2:04:57They can't take it anymore. They're living an insane life where they're producing no value. So there's nothing they're doing where unless they're real. Like that's what I think about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him. That's a real guy. And he has real beliefs. And he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career. There's a photo of him that we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was. He's always been that guy. That's who he is. Which is great. Yeah. That's who we need. If you're not that, then what are you doing?

2:05:33You're trying to just get ahead. You're trying to win. You're trying to gaslight the best. You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor And then maybe you could be the president you have eyes on the throne first thing I'm gonna do is take that Tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall. Trump put gold leaf everywhere. He likes gold. Yeah, what's wrong with gold? It looks bad about his home decor. It's the White House You know there was people complaining. He made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful Yeah, well also who cares you don't live there.

2:06:05I don't give a shit Well, they just don't want him doing that. They don't want him like didn't he do it his own money and stuff? I mean they've always done that and Taft put a fuck he invented the hot tub on accident because he was like That tub won't fit me. I'm too fat. Oh really? Yeah, and then they forever like people will go Oh, it didn't taft even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub and it's not true He was just a big guy made a funny joke and for now like now all these young people like oh, yeah Taft the big fat guy they got stuck in a tub. It's not true. He accidentally made a he just made a modification to the White House and it basically invented a hot tub.

2:06:39People are also upset that he's making a ballroom. You see he's making this giant ballroom. It doesn't bother me. He found out you're allowed to. He goes what's the deal with permits? You don't have to get any permits. You're the president. You can just build it. As a real estate guy he's like that's fucking great. For a guy like that it's like you just gave him the coolest fucking present ever. He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. And people are so mad and they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not. It's all donations. I think, you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like$350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

2:07:17I think that's true too. And like, did you... No one cared. And I don't care about that either. I'm not using that as a what about. I'm saying I also don't care that Obama did it. I don't give a shit. Can I get a receipt? Right. $350 million? What did you do? Like, what costs$350 million to a house that's already standing? Could you imagine if your construction guy gave you a bill like that? Like, I just want to fix it up nice and let's do all this and then send me a bill. And you get a bill that's$350 million. You're like, hey. I need to talk to the foreman here. Here's the thing about the White House.

2:07:51It's not that big. Right. It's not that big, dude. There's some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5. That's a whole house. A whole house. Yeah. $350 million is so much money. Did you make another house underneath the house? What happened? How did that happen? Is there a tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground? Maybe the guy gets$500 ,000 an hour to do the construction or something. Because he's doing it at the White House. He needs to get paid more. It's like weddings. They're like, I'd like to buy a cake. And they go, sure,$40. And he goes, for my wedding,$5 ,000. They just change the price.

2:08:26You what? I needed a bunch of flowers. You gave me a great rate, but then the second is for wedding. Those flowers are now like this crazy price. Maybe that's what it is. White House prices. Yeah. Because they know it's taxpayer money. But$350 million seems like real excessive. I'd like to know what they did. Didn't one of the, was it Nixon or somebody made like a bowling alley in there? Nice. Yeah. That's a cool thing to be able to put in there. That's what presidents do. Is that what they do? Like you're allowed to just, you're going to be there for four years. Put a bowling alley in. I think you get to, I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something I read.

2:08:57But also I didn't care. I just go sure if I was president and probably make some adjustments You see took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the auto pen up Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah. I didn't know if it was real I have a real struggle with like what I see is real or not. It might not be real. Let's find out if it is real I think it is real though. I think that's what I heard Obama's era project covered renovations Trump's knocked down a hundred seventy six Okay $376 million cost to improve the East and West Wing's infrastructure. Peck described the project as largely underground utility work.

2:09:34Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well, Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost. Bloomberg News reported in 2010 the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office. 48 to 52, Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation, and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter piano breaking through the floor. Trump's project would be the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years, historic preservationists say.

2:10:09You know, I read that and I just said, oh my God, because the leg of his daughter? And then it's the leg of his daughter's piano. I read it too. I was like, oh no. Just the piano broke. Yeah, that was very deceptive the way they typed that. Just the piano leg. Yeah. I thought it was his daughter's leg. Piano went through the floor. One of the piano legs went through the... Not the daughter. The daughter's leg's fine. Why do you bring her up? You're freaking me out. She's not in this story. I thought a kid broke her leg. I was panicking. It's just a fucking stupid piano. But that building's not that big.

2:10:39So I guess that makes more sense, though. They had to do crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably... I wonder what's under the White House. Heating, cooling, and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since 1902 or 1934. Still, I'd like to see a receipt. Also, I'm feeling ripped off if that's my house. I used to always say I don't think that any president ever is at the White House. Or they go to the White House, but they don't live there. Yeah, they do. You think that they live there? They do. They have a residency. Well, I think there's like a tunnel to a different place. There's another building, but they live in that building.

2:11:13Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America? Why are you giving people ideas? Well, it's the secret service. You know, we keep them secret. Don't give them ideas. It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time. Right. That's crazy. You have more security in anonymity than knowing where someone powerful is. Like, that's crazy. Even no matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That's why secret service is good. You want a secret address. You want a secret home. You want to move them around. Yeah.

2:11:45Don't have them in the same spot every night. I think the White House is called the most famous address in America. Like they say it's the most famous address. It is the most famous. So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous? Like I just think that like even when I was like in high school, I was like, I bet that they – I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about. Yeah. But they do. hopefully no one's listening to this and you gave him an idea. I hope not either. Violence is bad. That's the point. Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?

2:12:22Yeah, got pretty far. Didn't you have a bit about it? Yeah, I had a bit about it. Yeah, he had a bit about it. There was a lady guarding the door without a gun. What are we doing? Dick, that is crazy. That's so crazy. Your bit might have given someone some ideas. Like, I could get pretty far. Bro, that guy got all the way in. If it wasn't for a off-duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the fucking White House and he tackled him, he just happened to be there. He wasn't even on duty. What did they think? Just like, well, no one's going to break it. Yeah, like, well, who would do that?

2:12:50That's crazy. We're fine. Yeah, it's so crazy. People that have never been around crazy people, they don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place. That's true. Back then, people were like, enough of Mike. Right. We got to slow Mike down. It's crazy. Or you see like you work at like a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it. Right. Yeah, you go, yeah, you kind of go, oh, these people, I don't know. I don't know. You know, they've done so much stuff and drugs and traumas and all that. And you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken.

2:13:26Let's, you know. Especially if they're not medicated. Like there's out and out like hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness. A large percentage of it, at least. Yeah, which is a controversial statement, but it's 100 % true. Well, mental illness leads to drug addiction, drug addiction, self-medicating, a lot of trauma, a lot of factors. But the answer to that isn't just let them camp. Right. Let them be in front of your house, whacking off, shouting bomb threats. Like, that's not—ignoring it isn't the solution. Yeah. Not talking about it is not the solution. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I don't know.

2:14:04I just meant like in the 30s they would see that and go, you know, let's put this guy in a room. Well, in the 30s, I've had people in the – there was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh, yeah. The Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like these little handmade houses like that people had built. You ever seen any of that stuff? See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression. Yeah, man, it must have been so dangerous. I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park, and there's no jobs, man.

2:14:38There's no jobs, and there's no fucking food. Isn't that wild? Isn't that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be. That's downtown Denver right there. And that's all because of the motherfucking bankers. That's all because of the bankers. They crashed the stock market. That's crazy. I was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and alcohol being – during Prohibition that one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. I don't even know if this is true. But that Rockefeller had control of oil and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs.

2:15:26So like most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil. And this was saying that he wanted to stop people from using ethanol. So he wanted – he thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol. And the best way to do that is to make a prohibition about alcohol. Really? It sounds crazy. It says it's a myth. Let's see why they say it's a myth. John B. Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business.

2:16:05But this is a myth. Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons. OK, that's the excuse that's publicly stated that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons. believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce. So this is the problem. This is not quotes. This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not. Yes, he did work to ban alcohol. And yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That's that is true. So ethanol as a fuel was not banned, it's saying. Explicitly allowing even promoted the use of high proof alcohol for scientific research, fuel or other lawful industries during Prohibition, ethanol as a fuel was not banned.

2:16:54In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time. OK, so I take back what I said. So it's not that it was banned. So that doesn't make any sense then. It would make sense. if somehow or another... If you were using ethanol, though, the thing is, if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, you definitely can't make your own fuel. And then you can't use ethanol. Because you can actually make ethanol with corn. That's how they make it. So I could see how you would say, if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol.

2:17:45And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, it doesn't seem that clean to me. That looks like a little squirrely. Like, he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was, like, really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very control-oriented. Those religious beliefs were sidelined. Yeah, man. And also he had a part in the structuring of the education system to make people good little factory workers. Yeah. Get them up early. Get them to school quickly before the parents can give them any sense of how the world really works.

2:18:21And then brainwash them. Bring them in. Get them in there and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well. That guy had a lot of power. Yeah. He'd have been an interesting guy in politics. So it's not true that ethanol, that they prohibited it. But it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol. And if you're not, if people aren't like making engines from ethanol because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like. They don't have the materials. Yeah. It would be a good way to stop people from making their own gas. And then you'll sell more gas.

2:18:56I tried to buy something recently because I had like a chest cough. And they're like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Rite Aid or whatever it was. And they're like, oh, that's behind the counter. So go up and ask her for it. She needs my ID. She beeps my ID. And I go, why? She goes, oh, because enough of this. You can make meth. And I go, really? She goes, yeah. So we have to make sure that the person, that it's kind of documented who bought it and how much. Like Sudafed, right? Yeah, I think that, something like that. And then I was like, oh, shit. Then I need 700 of these. But I didn't even know that.

2:19:27That's how guys were making meth. You got to regulate all that kind of stuff. You imagine how bad that meth was. You get some assholes that go to the grocery store and just clean up the pharmaceutical aisle. That's the sad part about addiction, man. You'll see, like, these homeless guys drinking mouthwash. You're like, how bad has it got that you're just, like, chugging Listerine, like, in an alley to get drunk? Like, that's, I mean, that's a, that's... What if it's a really good buzz? I mean, I guarantee it's a good buzz. Like, and your breath's great. Imagine a Listerine buzz. Ugh. Imagine a Listerine buzz.

2:20:02I mean, sometimes I have tequila. I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila, and that felt like mouthwash. You have like a shitty, cheap tequila, and you go, I shouldn't. Do you know a large percentage of tequila apparently is fake? It's not made with agave. Really? Yeah, there was a big scandal. See if you can find anything on that. But it still got people drunk. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was like real tequila, like legit tequila made from agave. Yeah. But it wasn't. Yeah, it was just a - It's like fucking some shitty alcohol.

2:20:32Yeah. Some nonsense. They got it. It counts. It's tequila. I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers. So who knows who's doing it along the way? Maybe it's the manufacturer. Maybe it's the original person. Who knows? But they didn't think someone was going to check. Yeah, it's kind of strange. I think about all those kind of things. I remember they were doing this big campaign. They're like, McDonald's uses real beef now. I'm like, what were they using? Like, what do you mean? Like if the tequila company would now market like, no, this is now real tequila.

2:21:01You'd be like, what were we drinking? This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York. Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100 % agave in Mexico and the United States, even though they carry that distinction on their labels. So what are these brands? Click on that link where it says those brands. Oh, Casamigos and Don Julio. contain significant amounts of non-agave alcohol, despite being labeled as 100 % agave. Customers named to suit claim that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from Blue Weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation.

2:21:47Somebody was cutting the product, son. That's how it goes, and no one's paying attention for too long. History repeating itself. Over and over and over and over again. And those are big ones. I didn't expect it to be something I've heard of. But here's the question. Who did it, right? You got to follow that web to go, okay, where did that money come from? Is it that guy? Is it like a manufacturer? Is it someone who's in the plant? Is it someone, are they skimping? Are they ripping them off? Who did it? Who did it? You know? I mean, if you're an asshole and you're running the distillery and you're like, fuck those Don Julio people.

2:22:21We have to. And you're like, I know how to make it better. I can make more money. And then he skims. We're going to need 100 grand. It only tossed 40. Greedy, greedy. Same thing. Yep. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money. When I first worked at Giggles Comedy Club, the owner, we didn't really have a green room. We were just kind of in the back where all the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcohol are back there. and he had one bottle of every kind of like top shelf liquor but he would just pour shitty liquor in there like with funnels like totally against the law just like funneling like the cheapest tequila he could get in like the finest tequila bottle and then when people would people constantly bring it back like this tastes wrong he goes you saw me pour it from the bottle and they're like yeah i guess i don't know like what but i watched him do that so many times that's hilarious yeah Yeah, because he could charge this crazy amount, and he'd just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from Costco or wherever the heck.

2:23:24That's so gross. I know. That's so gross. How many people do that all over the world? There's a lot of that going on. There was a great documentary about that. It's called Sour Grapes, and it's all about these wine guys that got duped. They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson's wine. Some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was making the labels old. Yeah, putting over the bottles. putting dirt on them and shit. Yeah, he was totally doing that. Yeah, that's funny. And he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor. People are so weird. Like, it's always this— Was it a big wine guy?

2:23:58Oh, yeah, man. Oh, really? Oh, dude, this is how he fucked up. He ripped off the Koch brothers. Too big. Like, yeah, and they bought some old-ass, like, Thomas Jefferson wine, and it wasn't real. And then they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that era, and this actual wine guy saw their cellar and started, what is this? And he says, that's a this and that. He goes, no, no, no, they don't do that. This is not from that. This is fake. And he was like, what? And so then they have a lot of resources, obviously. So they're like, release the house. And then they, you know, they caught him.

2:24:37They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house. And so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing. He's got dirt and water. He's rubbing it on the labels. He's like making the labels old and shit. It's hilarious. He's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and re-corking it and sealing it. Oh, total scumbag. And he sold millions of dollars worth of like Fagazi wine to all these dorks that are like these dorks. Yeah, and they're all, oh, I spent this much on this. Yeah. It has an essence of tannin. There's a woody aftertaste, almost chocolate.

2:25:14Ah, I tasted chocolate I wish who caught him was a sommelier Like someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like shit And I'd be like, oh, it's real There is one sommelier in that documentary That these other guys were like sniffing it Going, this is the real stuff And the other guy gets it, he goes, no, this is crap What is this shit? I love that Which is like a huge insult to the other fellas And they don't want to say They got duped, no, no, no This is the best The best grapes during the best year I have it. I have the grape juice. Can't you taste the hint of Costco? You don't taste the box on this wine?

2:25:50You don't taste Trader Joe's? That's hilarious. What a weird thing. It's a weird thing, man, but it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is. It's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a flavor that's not that good. It's not that good. But you want the finest so you believe. The best wine is nearly as good as Kool-Aid. Kool-Aid is far superior to the best wine ever. Yeah, but it's not exclusive, you know? It's Kool-Aid. It's like such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

2:26:28The autograph world is full of a bunch of bullcrap like that. Like, if you collect athletes' autographs and stuff, I'm friends with the guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever. and they're great guys but like i'll send him a photo of a thing and be like this is selling at this like you know it you know hotel lobby so they have those you know when you walk in it'll be like a photo of taylor swift framed and it's just like cut her autograph on it it's selling for like five thousand dollars or whatever and i sent him a thing because i the item was so unique that i was like this is pretty special it was a baseball autographed by joe dimaggio and marilyn Monroe to have both those names like on the baseballs like this there's no way this is at a silent auction right now for like a thousand bucks I sent it to my autograph guy and he goes dude there's like one of those in the world and it sold at auction for like millions or whatever so this guy just somebody like you like the guy you're describing putting dirt on the thought he could pull one over and probably did I mean I didn't go whistleblow or anything but like he definitely did someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball in Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case and some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about this ball he bought.

2:27:38He's going to commit suicide a week after this story went viral over the summer. Oh my god. He admits to counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses and then he killed himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction. Wow. What did he... All sorts of fake autographs. Oh yeah. Oh my god. Biggest names in sports. All sorts of bullshit. So of course there's a lot of that. Oh, dude, tons of it. Yeah. People repacking things. Of course. You're always going to have that. That's wild. Yeah. It's just what, I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me too. Like, you know about the Chauncey Billups thing?

2:28:14What's that? He was the head coach. He's a Hall of Fame basketball player. Oh, this is the NBA thing. Yeah. Hall of Famer. The money scam. And then he's the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. So you have money coming in. You're not desperate. and then you're gonna risk your entire reputation you're gonna risk your entire uh you know bank account by doing gambling and doing all this like dumb shit i'm like why would like at that point you think no more risks like like you're pretty good why why do corruption why have like all this like gambling nonsense it makes no sense to me i get it if my friend does it who's broke and is like dude i had to like pull some bullshit you know his times are tough this guy's the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers.

2:28:57What are you doing? I think people get addicted to just pulling things off. That's what that one was saying is that this guy said he was like, why? Well, people are nuts, man. Gambling addiction is a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game. You know what I mean? But they want to make it so they definitely are going to win and they feel funny. It's like fun to get over. Like you rigged a game. Tricked them. Yeah. Yeah, there's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now. You're bringing up video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed.

2:29:30Yeah. You get a strike, and he's like, fuck! These two players, they'll never play. You're supposed to throw balls. Yeah, for$5 ,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make$30 million a year. You know, like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys. And they're, like, supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player. Like, they were doing these different things, and they caught them. You know, these guys. So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right? Yeah, and that's what makes it weird that like DraftKings and all these things are such a big part of sports now.

2:30:01Right, because you're just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There's a UFC problem right now. Oh, really? Yeah, a UFC fight. So this is a story. A lot of the UFC has an organization. I don't know what organization they use. Maybe you could find out, Jamie, that monitors unusual betting activity in any fight. So the moment there's any unusual betting activity spikes they contact the UFC UFC contacts this fighter says hey You're the favorite to win this fight There's a lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose like are you okay? Is everything fine you injured no no, I'm fine.

2:30:37I'm gonna kill this fucking guy. Okay, has anybody contacted you about? This fight no, so he goes out Loses in the first round gets submitted rear naked choke doesn't look good immediately the UFC says we called the FBI. So good. Now, apparently there's an investigation of many fights. Right. And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight. Yeah. And a bunch of people said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it. You know, good, really good fighters and even went on to lose the fight, unfortunately, and didn't get the money.

2:31:20But we're open about it. So it's like Patchy Mix, he was Bellator champion, came over to the UFC, and he said that someone, I think he said somebody offered him$70 ,000 or something like that to lose a fight, something crazy. I might be wrong if it was him that said that number. It might have been someone else. but so they're offering dudes like a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have lose might lose to him anyway right you know like it's probably a tight matchup anyway but if you definitely lose so what do you do you don't fight as hard you you make mistakes you do something stupid you know you uh you let them take your back right get choked out and if you're good at defense you might be able to as long as you're getting submitted you know you're probably not going to get hurt that bad and you'll be able to make an extra 70 grand when you might be getting 10 ,000 to fight, right?

2:32:11So now all of a sudden you got 80 grand. I don't agree with it, obviously. I think it's fucking terrible. Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing? Well, I know fighters have in the past. But I think the UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting on the UFC. I think it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody no one's supposed to be betting on the ufc because there was another betting scandal and so the other betting scandal was this guy who was a active mma fighter and a really good coach and he got accused of using this discord server and they were running like a gambling discord server and a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round and he went out there and he lost in the first round and the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people, bet against him because he's going to lose in the first round.

2:33:10And a lot of people made money. So this guy gets investigated. The UFC bans him. I don't know what the status of his case is, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym. I think, I don't know if this guy, see if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym. The gym is James Krause's gym. Yeah, because I would be like fine with it. If they want to bet to win, you're like, I love that. Right. I love that too. The thing is. Easy to trace. When you were talking about like prop bets and stuff like that, losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round and everybody makes$100 ,000.

2:33:53You know what I mean? Like some people are going to take that. Right. Especially if a guy is like pretty good, but realistically is not going to be a world champion. You know, maybe you're 32. Maybe you've got a lot of fucking. Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul. You might have alimony you have to pay off. You might have child support you have to pay off. You're in debt, and that's why you're fighting in the first place. Someone comes along, and you're out of the hole now. You're going to get$100 ,000 to throw, and they're just going to bet a ton of loot on you. Right. And they're going to hope nobody notices.

2:34:24But I guess now people are noticing it. And you can kind of see if someone's not fighting back, and that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy. I didn't see it live, so I didn't have fresh eyes. I didn't see it live and go, God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly? There's a bunch of NBA guys. Some Instagram account is really good. He found it. Excuse me. Just dry throat. Have a sip of water. I got nothing. Why do you sip the water? Yes, he was previously coached by James Krause. Come on, Waddy and the Krause. Say that again, James?

2:34:57He was previously coached by James Krause. Okay. So this guy who allegedly through this fight was also coached by this guy who was involved in the betting scandal. That's why computers are good. Those kind of little things where you can find that, like, oh, this is on you. Like, computers help in that way for sure. That's a tangled web. If you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square. So the thing is if you're just gambling on the square if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankalaev 2 and you say I like Pereira to get that title back I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is I'm putting too large too large on poeton.

2:35:36Let's go. Yeah, that should that's totally fine and fun Yeah, but when it gets to you Have a prelim fighter and he's only making 10 grand and someone offers them You're gonna get choked in the first round and okay. I got it. I got it. I got it and the opponent probably doesn't even know. So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy his back. Right. That's kind of funny. He's, like, leading him. Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give it to him. There's been fights like that. There's been fixed fights for sure. Oh, for sure. Has to be. Especially in boxing. Oh, it's weird. Because those boxers, their lives are so tough.

2:36:13Yeah. Well, they've always done that throughout history. Guys have taken dives. You know, especially if you weren't connected enough, you know, If you were a guy that wasn't with a big-time manager, who had a big-time lawyer, and probably mob ties. Mob ties, yeah. They all had mob ties. Right. You had to have mob ties. I'm going to lose a fight if the whole mob's going to kill my wife or something. Bro, you don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties? For sure. If you're the heavyweight champion of the world and you're Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friends. And you're a boxer. They love that.

2:36:42And you're flatlining everybody. It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports. They just liked all the money part of it. Well, Marciano talked about it like that. Like it was, it's just my job. Yeah. But that guy was the freakiest training person I've ever heard of in boxing. Like the freakiest training regiment. It was crazy. Like part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic. And he lost one fight when he was younger, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired. And he decided after that fight he was never going to lose a fight ever because he got tired.

2:37:18So he just put himself through this fucking insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training He would run 10 miles. He would do his training. He would hit the heavy bag for hours Then he would swim miles in the lake after training. He would spar a hundred rounds a week He would just get to the point where you know, we're talking about redline Yeah, that's it did the same thing He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore and then he retired undefeated But does that redline that kind of thing that he was doing you can't do forever And I watched this video about it the other day, and I'm like, this is bananas.

2:37:49Just to watch that guy's work ethic. And back when nobody had anything, you have no creatine. There's no vitamins. You know what I think about when you say the redlining thing? And maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his, like, the videos he posts and the things he does. But every time I know Michael Chandler, and, like, every time, like, I see this guy, like, he's like, oh, you're in Arizona. Like, swing by the gym. And he's, like, throwing the thing again. He's just always in this, I'm going to shoot a TV show tomorrow, but I got to work out. He's always so - Tremendous discipline. Full on.

2:38:24Yeah. Tremendous discipline. I've never seen him going, oh, I'm taking a month off or we're going to the pool. That's why he's still elite at 38. Dude, he's awesome. I believe he's 38 now, right? How old is Michael Chandler? I believe he's 38. But that's why he's so elite. He's never gotten out of shape. 39. 39. 39. because that guy, people don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez when they were at Bellator. That's when I met him, was Bellator. Some of the greatest fights in MMA history went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn't pay attention to Bellator.

2:38:58Right. But the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts. Really? I mean nuts. Play a clip of it. I mean nuts. Like from the opening bell, two mad fucking roosters just attacking each other. It is, it's so wild. Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to UFC? Like they're still climbing the ladder, they're still in the hunt? Well, there were just, these guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC lightweight champion when he beat Rafael dos Anjos. Huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a fucking beast. but these two guys from the opening of the first fucking seconds of the fight look, this is the beginning of the fight Chandler's just throwing himself at him just sprinting at him drops him, bro drops him again look at this, crazy Alvarez survives somehow and he fires back, bro these fights are nuts I know they definitely had two I don't think they had three but the two fights that they had together that were fucking insane.

2:40:04I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this. He's awesome, dude. And they're really evenly matched. It was a really good matchup. Navarro looks a little bigger than him. Well, Chandler's a fucking tank, dude. Dude, Chandler's the best. And he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know? So when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time. When he knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who's a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught. Find that one, Jamie.

2:40:39Find Michael Chandler, KO's Dan Hooker, because this was his UFC debut. And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive. And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same fucking, this is his first fight in the UFC, the same shit he did in Bellator. He just charges forward. I love it. I mean, this is how he always fights. It's do or die. That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite. It's because you know you're going to see this. I mean, he's just throwing bombs. Fun to watch, yeah, for sure. Oh, big kick.

2:41:16He's just so dangerous, man, because everything is 100%. He's thrown that low-cap kick three or four times. Hasn't really landed itself yet. Dan's landed. That one hurt. Oh, that one hurt. That was just one, too. Here it comes. And look at the immediate... Oh! Big knockdown for Michael Chandler! Big right hand dance. Hurt bad. Oh, my God. It's over. Michael Chandler! That's a wrap, bro. Maximizing the debut! And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage. Bro, that's a freak. Dude. Freak athlete. I met him, so I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money from Strangers, which was kind of like Impractical Jokers, but way darker.

2:41:58Like we were like a lot edgier. It was before Money, before Impractical Drugers. And so they'd always send me to like MTV Movie Awards or any kind of those things. And I was like, I don't know, I live in New York. They're going to send a car. I get to go on a red carpet, whatever. I'll drink. I'll make it fun. And they happened to be behind me. The Bellator guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all. They're just waiting to get like Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is. So like we're basically the photos they're taking are just something we're gonna save off the internet because no one gives a shit They were like all Bellator guys.

2:42:33So people at this movie awards don't necessarily care These guys are behind me and they're like this guy's fun I'm making all these jokes and like goofing around and I was already kind of like buzzed up and so then that Michael Chandler and These two other like Bellator guys, uh, Brog the predator. You know he is no He was a Bellator guy to a Cleveland guy. Okay big guy. He's awesome too. But anyways these three guys and they were like this is kind of dumb and i was like yeah this shit's kind of gay i don't want to be here you know and then they were like let's just go drink and so we just drank and met people and hung out and they're like want to get subway and we got in a car and got subway and just hung out with these dudes all night and i've been pals with them ever since oh that's awesome yeah but it's like i didn't really know what they did i just kind of knew that they were like fighter guys and so like i thought they were in ufc at that time and they weren't they They were in whatever was on that network.

2:43:22Well, Bellator was paying really well, and Bellator had a pretty good following for a while. I mean, he was doing really well. There were some real elite fighters out of Bellator, and a lot of guys, like, they came over to the UFC because they became famous in Bellator. Like Ben Askren, he came over from Bellator. He actually did a stint at 1FC before he came to UFC eventually, but there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know? Unfortunately, like Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima at one point in time was one of the best welterweights alive. And, you know, he was the Bellator champion. He's like the only guy that's ever knocked out Michael Venom Page.

2:43:57Do they have like an MMA Hall of Fame? Yes, there's a UFC Hall of Fame. And I think there's an MMA one too, maybe. MMA Awards. I don't know. Because that sucks. There's a UFC Hall of Fame though, yeah. But that's UFC guys. I know. Yeah, it sucks. I know. Some guys, they wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for. And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the PFL. Do whatever you want to do. But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion. That's just how it is right now.

2:44:35It's like Major League Baseball. It's like in boxing. If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you're Terrence Crawford. But if you're like a WBA champion and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion that shit's too confusing to the average person Right and for most people the UFC is what for good or for bad They're just just a I'm just saying that's just how most people think of it That's how I probably annoyed them that night because I was like oh you guys UFC guys and they're like we're Bellator Yeah, you don't go looking for cotton swabs you go buy q-tips You look for q-tips that's what it is Just watching pro football.

2:45:10You're watching the fucking NFL. Absolutely. And if you're so bored, you're watching the XFL. Canadian Football League. You start going, I got to go to the gun range or something. I got to clear my head. Yeah, what would happen to me? I got to do something different. But I feel like that's just for better or for worse. It's just how it is. That's how it is in America. We don't have a lot of attention span. And if it's going to be elite fighting, it's got to be there's like one organization that we follow. Sorry. Yeah. I follow them all. I follow everything. I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thai as I do to boxing as I do to wrestling and jujitsu tournaments.

2:45:44I try to pay attention to everything. Just because I want to know who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before. Did you see Holly Holm did wrestling? Bro, she's a fucking athlete. Dude, she's the best. LA's an athlete. After her fights, Mike Winklejohn used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights. That's amazing. See if you can find that. It's crazy. She would win and then he would do this backflip. Yeah, she was just at a place to watch wrestling. And then there was something she could sign up for. And she's like, fuck it, I'll do it.

2:46:15Bro, that lady's strong. And they were like, really? Because she's famous. So they were like, we'll let you be part of it. She goes, sure. And she was just like, the second they said her name, everyone cheered. It was not like a huge grandiose plan. There was no contract. There was no anything. She just did it. It was like this year. She texted me about it. I go, what? Like, did they go crazy? And she's like, no. I mean, like, it was just fun. It was a fun thing. I thought why not Yeah that's the thing Well show that again Watch this She's the best Watch how they do this Yeah So cool That was the thing They would do after all her fights Well she Who had fucking back muscles son That's crazy Yeah what she said She said the guy Like her manager Whoever she asked about it Briefly was like He was like Well what if you get hurt And her This It's great She goes Yeah but what if I win And I was like What a great response And he was like Fuck it Let her do it And so she did it And I was like, that is the coolest thing.

2:47:07That's why. What a mentality. Multi-sport martial arts champion. She's the best. She was a champion in kickboxing. She had a champion in boxing, women's boxing, MMA. She did the full trifecta. Yeah. She's the best. It's kind of crazy. And she's a really nice lady, too. That's what I like about her. Yeah. She's a sweetheart. I don't know a lot of fighters. I named all the fighters I know. Michael Chandler and Holly Holm. That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia. and it was a huge crowd, like a massive arena, man. And when she landed that head kick and you realize that Ronda was out and then she's hammer fisting everyone.

2:47:44It was like when Mike Tyson got beat. Remember when Mike Tyson, you were too young. But when I was a kid. Buster Douglas. When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it. I heard about it. I didn't watch it. I saw a tape of it and I still thought he was going to get up. You knew the outcome. I was like, he gets up. He doesn't lose. There's no way. There's no way now. I remember that for sure because Mike Tyson was larger than life Like and he was so like one of those celebrities that like you knew everything he was doing He was shined really brightly back then there was like Michael Jackson. You knew Michael Jordan.

2:48:17You knew Michael Jackson You knew they would go out. Yeah, they would go to places and people Big deal. Yeah, Mike Tyson. I remember being in the kingdom watching a baseball game. It was the same night I was a little boy and they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear. And the whole stadium reacted. I mean, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large. It was a very big deal. Bro, you bit him twice. That was crazy. I watched the first fight today. I watched the first Evander Holyfield. Why'd you watch it today?

2:48:52I just felt like watching it. I love that. I do that. When I'm in the gym, I'll pick an old fight. I'll put it on. And I put on that fight. I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight. I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a pussy in my headset. That's all I listen to. You don't know me, son. Dude, it's the best. Every time I'm working, I was at Equinox this morning. I had David Goggins in my thing just going, you're a piece of shit. You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger. Goggins is the best. That's what I listen to. Or those kind of like YouTube things where they compile. It's like just all motivation stuff with music over it.

2:49:25You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation. Do you just do it for fun? I like it. Yeah, and it keeps me in the mindset. I always channel all of it back to stand-up comedy because I'm working towards something. I'm in the hunt. I'm climbing. And so they could be talking about a battle and war, and I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm—what's next? Yeah, I'm climbing. I'm still hungry. Yeah, that's a fun time. It's a fun thing to do. Yeah. The fact that you get to do it. When also, otherwise I'd just sleep till noon or sleep till 1. But if I have that, I'm like, no, I've got to get up and write, or I've got to get up and— Here's the question.

2:50:01You're doing this, obviously, and you're doing this for the love of the thing. And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you would still do it. And I think the same way. I would do it too. But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI. And we were having a conversation about it the other day with Elon, And he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income. And then I went, wait, OK. Am I – are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life you have to be doing just for money?

2:50:42Because that's what it is now. If you're a professional, you're doing it for money. If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right? Why are we married to that? And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do? And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity and without being attached to an occupation? Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money?

2:51:24and then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has like what he was saying a universal high income what does that mean like is that a feasible thing like what what is ai going to do with production what is ai going to do with automation resource extraction how much money is going to be generated that you're going to be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income is that even possible and if it is what happens to people's desire what happens to their dreams what do they just find a thing like you and i have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing can't that be taught if it's taught to you if you figured it out and i figured it out if people have figured it out they figured out like find a thing you love and you're never going to work again because you're going to love doing it whether it's building cars or painting or carpentry, if you really fucking love doing it, you do it because you love it.

2:52:21Wouldn't that be a better way to live? I know. I know. You can't do it. I know. I know, no, no, no, no. I know, no, no. It wouldn't work. There's too much money in the stock market. I get it. I get it. It wouldn't work. But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live if it's possible for you to live that way, if it's possible for me to live that way, If it's possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society running. I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning. So you associate whatever that means to you, right?

2:53:02So like a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad. That gives them enough. They have that meaning or they have a hammer to hold on to. Like, they need that meaning. Right. I need comedy. Like, that's why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn't have comedy. I didn't have an outlet creatively. How long did you go without doing any comedy? I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing, like, Zooms and I was doing, like, underground things for rich guys. I, like, I was the first comic. Me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new COVID restrictions.

2:53:36We were the—because they knew if they called me or Brad, we'd say yes. like Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake and goes we're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the government shuts us down would you be willing to come and I was like yes I didn't even talk about price I just go yes because I need it now why do I need it because that's where I personally find my meaning now if I maybe was at home and going man I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like things are pretty productive around here that's where I would have put my meaning.

2:54:10You know, I think like, and it's just where we put it. It's where we kind of put it. And I think so a lot of people find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that gives them something to do. Don't you think? Yes, I do think that. But what you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding meaning, yes, for sure. but also I think the human mind needs activities right and I don't think it's just raising children only I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well right just for your own sanity but if you didn't have to worry about money you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand-up comedy because you love it all the stuff that people do just for money like the guy who does the fucking septic tanks that guy's not having a good time he's smelling other people's shit all day he's pumping out other people's shit all day that can't be fun right we need him right we need him until the robots come and then you don't need him anymore so this is the point like what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning he's probably not finding meaning in pulling shit out of people's ground he's probably would like to do something different yeah yeah i mean i don't know i mean i'm so naive that i'm like no that guy should be proud of himself like like i'm really i look at plumbers like heroes like i'm like dude the guy that like fixed the electrical in my house i'm like i love you dude like whatever i can pay you bro i had a septic problem at my house once when one of my houses in california when i first moved there and it was so nasty when uh i would flush the toilet the bathtub would fill up and i was like what is this those are linked yeah well what it was was the septic system there was a pump i was living on a hill and the pump would pump it up the hill the poop water and then the pump broke and so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new and that guy's my hero like that guy we need that guy that's a Bud Light commercial real American heroes that's why I like cops I like what you were saying earlier but the military the nurses like they're going to send a robot to fix your poop pump a robot's going to do it and it's going to do it perfectly with AI, and you're not going to need a person to get covered in shit water.

2:56:27Okay. And that guy's going to get a lot of money just to sit at home. But then what does he do? Right. That's the thing. Yeah. Because I think a lot of it's going to happen really quickly. This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago, and it was sort of I agree with him, but it was a little abstract then. And now this was way back. Was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president? I've never heard of Andrew Yang. You don't know? What's that? Was it 2016? It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrew yet? Brilliant guy and had a very good point. 2020. He had a brilliant, yeah, I didn't think it was that long ago.

2:57:08A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs, including drivers, right? Like you're seeing it with these Wevos. Yeah. So there's that. It's like that's the first sounds. That's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs. Because that is now you have these Tesla trucks that are automated and they can – like my car, my Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving. It does everything. I don't have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to.

2:57:48I don't do it. I never do it either. I have it and I don't do it. Yeah, it's nuts. So that's going to be the future. And there's going to be no driving jobs. And okay, and then what about everything else? Well, everything else, manufacturing, it's out the window. Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day. They're going to be more efficient. No unions, no healthcare, no need for nothing. They're never going to fuck up. Everything's going to be categorized. They have sets, these mining operations in China where everything's automated. There's no people working at all. The trucks are driving. They're getting recharged.

2:58:20They're fucking picking up the coal. They're moving the coal. They're bringing it somewhere else. It's all automated. It's bananas, man. So that's just a massive erasing of jobs. They're just going to go away. Well, the dot-com did that. Yeah, but I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger. I think this happens, and first everybody's like, oh, this sucks. And then it's like, oh, my God, it's not stopping. It's not stopping. It's taking over everything. It's going to be all jobs. There's going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more coders. Like all that stuff's going to be done with AI.

2:58:57It's going to get so weird if you're going to college right now because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years. Sure. Yeah, well, but so... I get that problem. But there's someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free so they don't because of this? Well, here's the thing. If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything. It's going to control everything. It's going to generate insane amounts of wealth.

2:59:34But the question is, like, how does it even get distributed? That's the part that I don't – How does that work? Who's got the money? If you're just giving people money and then they – Now everyone's a trust fund kid in a way. They don't do anything. They just sit around and eat. And what do you get people involved with to occupy their time? Do you encourage them to join religious groups? Do you get them to be involved in games? Do we try to give people meaning? Are we all just going to sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we're going to be the last civilization of real people?

3:00:09A hundred years from now they're going to be like, I think I want to do what the robots do. People were like, what? You know, in the old times, people would actually have to do it. And then maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know? Dude, the Terminator was accurate. Yeah. Oddly accurate. Remember, you remember the first time you saw that movie? Yeah. Like, this will never happen. I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator. I was on Mushrooms with my buddy Randy. And he forgot that he, he had a long distance girlfriend. He forgot that he was going to call her. so we just ate you know four grams of mushrooms like a big like we just crushed them right it was COVID you know and we got nowhere to be is the point so we just we're going full journey you know we're going to do a bunch and we eat them we're sitting there and then he he goes alright I forgot I was going to call Rachel and I'm like alright but it starts to kick in a little bit he left Terminator on and then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen so there's two like cute guys like flirting with each other and one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment and i'm just sitting there watching terminator and like you can't be killed you know terminators like the bullets are just going through them and then the metal just kind of starts forming again and i'm just sitting there i don't know if i was there for 20 minutes i don't know if i was there for seven hours and i'm just freaking the fuck out going god damn you can't kill these terminators and these gay guys keep looking at me and i don't know what randy's doing.

3:01:35I thought he just abandoned me forever. I had, like, I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore. Luckily, he came down and goes, alright, let's go to the roof. And I was like, thank God you're here. I went up there and talked about it all, but, like, I was freaking the fuck out. How long was he on the phone for? Don't know. I'm gonna guess 15-20 minutes. But it seemed forever. Oh, it seemed so long. And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything, and then also the Terminator, like, just seemed, like, so pointless. I'm like, why? You can't kill it. Just surrender. You know, you can't shoot through this thing.

3:02:04Well, Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies? I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching. Like if it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but it was... How many have there been? I don't know. How many? It wasn't the first one. Fast and the Furiouses or Terminators? Fast and the Furiouses. Fast and the Furiouses didn't also become a TV show, I don't think, yet. I just saw the new Predator and it fucking rules. Terminator became a TV show? Yeah. When? No. Really? Did you know that? The Sarah Connor Chronicles. No, I haven't seen the new Predator. Dude, it rules.

3:02:38When was this? 2008. 2008? Yep. Huh. I didn't watch it. That looks ridiculous. I don't think anybody watched it. That was the thing. They went down the rabbit hole with Terminator, but there's probably like six movies now. I think I was watching like T2 or T3. Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation. There's all these six of them. You know the last ones that just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood? You ever seen the Leprechaun movies? Yes. Dude, after a while, they're just like, uh, Leprechaun goes to space? Leprechaun in the hood? Like, it was just literally put the Leprechaun in some setting.

3:03:14It's funny that that one caught. Yeah, weird. Like, some things catch and they become, like, cult classics. The Leprechaun movies were cult classics. Very good. Yeah. And the Troll movie? You ever see the Troll movie? I saw Troll 2, which is, like, the worst film that's ever been made. Have you seen that? Which one's that? There was no Troll 1. They just made Troll 2. It's so bad it's phenomenal Like it's absolutely the best The best watch If you watch Troll 2 you'll watch the first scene Or whatever and you'll go oh he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life and then the next person Will come in the scene you go oh no she's the worst Actor and it just keeps going Everyone is worse than the next Person so bad I think they remade Troll 2 and it's coming out On Netflix You're kidding I just googled Troll 2 and there's a trailer for A movie coming out They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

3:04:01Oh, no. Oh, you're kidding. No, this is different. Yeah, no, I know. These are pretty awesome. He's got a big dick. I don't know what the fuck it came from. Did that troll have a big dick? I haven't heard of it. What is that? It's his tail or something? He's got a tail. It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though. Well, it's like, why does he conveniently have animal skins over his dick? 1990 was when the other one came out. If he's that gross, I would imagine he would be totally comfortable being naked. Just who cares? You're not modest. You know why are you gonna cover your giant dick? Yeah, you giant bulletproof?

3:04:30Show it off while you kill people Yeah, swinging while you're stomping on people. The last thing to do is see that helmet dropping down. That's why you lost your house Look at the size of my cock. Yeah, this is ridiculous. Why would he be vain or why would he be modest? You know what's supposed to be really good looks really good is that new Frankenstein on oh, yeah the Guillermo del Toro. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that but yeah You don't like the predator movies. They're good. Oh, I liked the prey one then Pretty good. That was a good one. Yeah. Fun. You know, the Comanche one. A lot of Indians dying in that, you know?

3:05:01Yeah, it was kind of crazy. That one felt weird. This one, I don't want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator. But it's so good. Really? It's really good? It's really good. Yeah, I loved it. Oh, it's the one where, is she a robot? She's a robot, which also makes it more realistic that she's so, like, able to do everything. Anytime I'd start to feel sexist Like oh my gosh they did this like Girl power thing You're like no she's just a robot they made look like a woman So it's not like you have to feel Like it's not you know whatever So this is predators getting fucked up here?

3:05:38So it's based off this one runt predator Who's on That's why he looks kind of weird and shitty Don't spoil it Is that what it is? But he's like a little runt And so that's why he's out to prove himself Like because he's smaller than all of them. He's missing a fang. He looks a little weird But that's because he's supposed to look weird because a lot of people like this this this predator looks stupid damn 85 % on Rotten Tomatoes. That's interesting. 93 % like this movie. No, I loved it I like when they can do that with a movie You know you think like oh, what is this gonna be right flip it on its head.

3:06:13Oh And every time there would be a thing where I'd start to criticize it Like I'd be like this feels like Mortal Kombat and then in my mind to go Jeff you love Mortal Kombat and I was like alright and then like the next part be like this kind of Star Wars I'm like but I love Star Wars so like I kept like coaching myself and then after a while I was like this movie's really good yeah you gotta just enjoy things yeah that's what I tell people when I play AI music for them like just forget about the fact the robots are taking over this is great music this is a pattern of every famous person I know what did you say Jamie is tough but which one's tough great great is a weird it's amazing how about that.

3:06:47That What Up Gangsta is amazing. You know it is. I've gone down those rabbit holes too watching cover songs though. Like my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it. The real bands are better. For sure. Because it's a real band. So it's a real person. But I love listening to AI music. I know there's one going viral. I haven't even heard of this. It's not officially number one. It's like a weird designation but there's a song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band. DJs kind of did that. DJs were kind of like the first version of that.

3:07:25They're putting in their robot and then making the songs and sampling and stuff. I mean, it's not that far deviating. This is way deviating. You could change the kind of song. You could have a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it. They're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sung. It has to be good. It's amazing. It's so good. It has to be. The way you just described it. It has all the music. We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up and I'll play you a little What Up Gangster. We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this.

3:08:04We'll have to edit out it anyway. So many successful people I know are really like big music heads. Music is a drug, man. Yeah. It's a marvelous drug that inspires you, It makes you feel better. It makes you move around. At Mothership, you guys are always playing good music up in that green room. And I'm always like, what is this? Like every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going, what's this one? Tony's got a bunch. Well, everybody contributes. Everybody, when they find a cool song, will bring it into the green room. And then we'll add it to the, we got the playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something now.

3:08:35Yeah, it's crazy. Because you just keep adding cool songs. That's perfect. Jeff Dye, anything, website, Instagram, Twitter? I just launched a podcast. It's called Die Hard Pretty good, yeah It's D-Y-E D-Y-E hard Once a week, comes out every week You can watch it on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts It's on everything At first I didn't Because of you, I made it for everyone I had it behind a thing On a Patreon Don't do that, I'm growing It won't grow, that's the problem You get some money for A complete lack of Yeah, I'd rather everyone hear it. Beautiful. And then also we'll start doing a thing where it's like once a week we'll do the, you know, face-to-face where I have like an interview with somebody that I like and sit down and do like a proper podcast.

3:09:26Beautiful. But yeah, and then jeffdye.com to find all my tour dates. And I'll see you tonight. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. Thanks for having me, brother. All right. Here's the music.

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