#2416 - Dan Farah

26:01It attracted. And they caught a lot of data on it. Whoa. And, you know, we shouldn't think that that was the only time they did that. Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid shit we did in the ocean. The fact that, like, we were talking about this last night. John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan. I don't know if you ever saw it. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. It's one of the worst movies of all time. And that's what killed him. That movie killed him. He got cancer from that movie. And so did almost, like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set.

26:32Some very large number of people on the set got cancer. because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs they filmed it all in nevada in the desert horrible horrible so like they blew up so yeah i'm sure you've seen the video of the where it shows like a time lapse of all the nuclear tests over the years and you just go yo what are you doing yeah what are you doing in nevada nevada just boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and if i was from another planet i'd be like that's when i would start going, oh my god, these idiots, not only do they have it, but they're just blowing them up in the ocean.

27:08Yeah. No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there when they drop that thing down. Like, they're clearly irresponsible. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's concerning. An analogy that multiple people actually use with me, they said, put yourself in the shoes of advanced non-human intelligence species. Here's the analogy. Imagine you're a zookeeper and you see this gorilla in a cage and you love this gorilla. It's sweet. You watch it evolve over the years. You see it communicate. It waves to you. You know, you have no issue with this gorilla. You don't wish it any harm.

27:42But what happens if one day you come in and the other security guards say, hey, last night the gorilla got out of his cage, walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went back in his cage? You're like, all right, that's concerning. Let me keep an eye on this, right? And then what happens if, you know, a month later you come in and they're like, hey, the gorilla, this time he got in the gun cage. He was playing with the gun. And then he went back in his cage with the gun. What do we do here, right? Well, it's even worse than that. So it's like we'll take the gun out of his hand.

28:10We'll put it back. We'll change the locking and stuff, right? But then what happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later you come out of your house on a Sunday. You're not even going to work. You got your daughter's hand in your hand. And the gorilla is standing on your front lawn with a shotgun. Then you've got to make a choice really quick, right? Like do I just take this thing out or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot? and This analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation We're barreling towards yeah, it would almost feel like you went to the cage and the grill was welding He's making a bore he's putting together a shotgun He's figuring out dynamite on his cleanings.

28:49Yeah, that would be the real issue. Oh my god. They figured out guns Because the thing is, we figured it out. It's not like somebody gave it to us. You know, look, a couple of people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life. But some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program, the legacy program, and some from adversaries. So I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don't think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years.

29:22And not make progress. Yeah. God, I would love to know what it is that they've done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours. I don't think it is. No? No. I talked to everybody who actually ran the investigation of the Tic Tac from various agencies and to the pilots. No one thinks it's man-made. And also, if it was man-made, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like 20 years at this point. and has never used it to benefit our country or another country to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we've seen used. It's just hard to believe that no one would use that to, like, fuel their economy.

30:08I mean, it'd be like a total, you know, restart of everything if you had that technology. Right. Yeah, that's interesting, right? I mean, the craft with that, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80 ,000 feet, which is space and hovering in space, going back down, hovering at sea level and doing this for hours. We don't have anything. One of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, you said, a week. Some stupid amount of energy required.

30:48I think it's even more than a week. But, yeah, I remember him saying that. It's bonkers. And that's just the trip up. Yeah. Yeah. And they were doing that all day. All day. It's crazy. It's crazy. Right. If they had that in 2004, which is the Tic Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress. Yeah. Yeah. So if it's not ours. Yeah. What what is the predominant theory of what they are? The predominant theory is that they is multiple species and there's no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different.

31:30There are multiple species. The universe is full of life. How many different species? I've heard of at least four body types that were recovered. So all I've heard of is the greys, which is like the close encounters of the third kind ones. The Nordics, which is also known as the tall whites, right? The same thing? I've heard people say, yeah. And then there is the reptilians. People talk about reptilians being the scariest one. No one's ever used that word with me, to be honest. Really? Yeah. And then there's mantis. there's uh ones that are like insect like i've heard people say that yeah i haven't heard of any more than that yeah well um i've also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like et little little bots that don't don't seem sentient that seem like they're they're um almost like like a robot yeah like a robot almost yeah some artificial creation Maybe.

32:27Yeah. Maybe. You would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this genetic engineering, you're going to be able to create like workers. Yeah. Like little – that's what many people have thought the greys are. Like there's small greys that are – they're more in like a workforce capacity. I've heard that. They just do the bidding of the taller greys, which seem to be more intelligent. I've heard that. You know, one of the really interesting things is that there's no one answer, right? Right. Some non-human intelligent life that's here might have benign intentions and some might have bad intentions.

33:05Right. We don't know. The other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level. Like I got very close with the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. They were introducing me to people. They were opening doors for me. And some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and were going to do interviews and then ultimately decided not to and that they thought it would cost them their lives. Two people used the same words with me actually.

33:48It was very interesting. two people used the words after careful consideration i've decided i would be forfeiting my life if i participated on camera in your film the word forfeiting which i had never heard anyone use in that kind of a context right just put yourself in my shoes like i'm a normal guy from jersey making a making a movie about something i'm interested in the last thing i want to hear something like that you know so that's the most sure way to get people to keep secrets oh yeah so I of course was like that's shocking and disappointing to hear obviously we should stop talking I don't want you in this movie don't die do not want that on my conscious but it also was another another sign that how real all this is without naming any names is there anything that you couldn't talk about in the film that you could tell us without like quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody yeah I mean there's a lot of stuff I learned off the record hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point but um can you talk about it without i know there's been i know there's been multiple contact events like straight up yeah like straight up contact events one of them is revealed in the film actually but there are more um there was this several people my film talk about an event that happened at hallerman air force base where two non-human crafts approached the base one landed beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials.

35:15And a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film. But there have been other events I've been told. How were those beings described? They were described as tall, slender, humanoid.

35:28And another thing that I heard that gave me chills was that someone involved with a recovery interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said, you humans don't know your full potential. And that was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community. And I thought that was pretty incredible. also just the extent to which the legacy program is real it's not this isn't like 50 guys you know sitting in a quiet dark room you're talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this and to me that is mind-blowing you know yeah you know the the guy the you know the guy next to you at the pizza place you know on a saturday night might be working on this during the day you know right the guy who you know the other father at your kids like you Literally, game.

36:30This is what he deals with. The fact that that is a thing. We had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project. There were all these people working on it, and they kept it secret. Their neighbors and friends didn't know, but this is that on steroids. After the Manhattan Project, which had a budget in the billions, this situation arose, and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project because the Manhattan Project, we found out in hindsight, leaked. There were moles. So we needed to make this even more secret and give it more money and more resources. As a raider scavenging a derelict world, you settle into an underground settlement.

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38:03But everything was so compartmentalized. He said he wasn't allowed to talk to the metallurgist. There was different people that were assigned to it. What they were assigned to do was to try to figure out how the propulsion system worked. And then there was other people that were assigned to try to figure out how the metallurgy was formed because whatever it was seemed like it was 3D printed. It didn't have any seams. Yeah. And when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas because this is late 1980s and he's the first guy to crack through with this stuff.

38:40Everything is so – in that secret program, everything is so siloed out where you could have one team of defense contractors working on one thing. They're not even told it's from an alien spacecraft. They're just told, here's the thing. It might be Russia. It might be China. Tell us how it works. Right. And they're just kept in a little in a little bubble. And one of the issues now is that everything's become so overclassified and so siloed that it's it's actually hurting progress. And that's a lot of the scientists in my film are voicing that. And one of the other things I learned recently that isn't in the film, Jay Stratton, who ran the UAP Task Force, he told me that during that time, he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed who was frustrated by how overclassified everything was.

39:31It even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it because not everyone can be cleared to do the work, right? There's all these like red tape hurdles to progress, right? And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the UAP task force. And then the task force was going to be able to put more brainpower towards it. And then the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer. They had actually secured a hangar on a military base and prepped it to be a classified hangar that would hold this craft.

40:12And they were stopped. So the issue of overclassification— Did they know what happened after that? Yeah. The CIA shut the whole transaction down and the craft stayed in Lockheed's possession. And then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two years later. So the effort kind of stopped. Get cancer. The overclassification is definitely a hurdle for this. And our competitors don't necessarily have that. Like, you know, there's no free will in China. She can just be like, hey, you're the smartest guy graduating your class. You're going to go work for the nation on this, you know. Right, period.

40:49And here the problem is no one knows it's real. One of the things I hope the film changes is it makes the scientific community know that this is a valid area of inquiry. This is real. It's a real situation. And there's a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve, you know. And so hopefully it inspires them and helps us make progress because there's a lot of progress that could be made here. Well, it certainly seems like it. But it's like how one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think maybe the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe stolen a little bit here and there.

41:31Like if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public. No one's going to push for like actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed. And if they do have the kind of power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don't want to let that go. Yeah. Like this is – like it's a honeypot that they're drawing from, right? And they're probably still taking too much or there's no oversight. You're still lying to Congress. You'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, look, in the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this.

42:17The only way we're ever going to really do that is to completely reveal that this is actually really happening. This is real crafts from somewhere or something. We have them. We'll tell you where we have them. and let's I think right now people wouldn't even freak out because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure but that's sort of been breached right the New York Times breached that in 2017 I think this film is that I mean there's this is 34 incredible people putting their reputation and name on the line which which I honestly Joe I think it's more it's stronger evidence than any video or photo these days you could put a 4k video of a giant craft over vandenberg and half the human population will say it's ai right we're creating some visual effects program but someone of of of note putting their name and reputation on the line their career on the line the rest of their lives on the line to say this is what i know to be true to me that's the greatest evidence that that exists but i do think to your point amnesty is something that's gonna have to be figured out because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right?

43:34It does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture. 100%. Because these people just aren't good. They have no incentive to come forward with what they've learned. And so to quote Rubio in the film, he says, look, this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned. Right. And I think he's totally dead on. And, you know. Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well yeah he says he says on camera the film he's like I'm not I'm not trying to punish anyone I need to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this and it's in our our interest to know what's going on but the other thing that's needed is um real whistleblower protection not not not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far like much stronger legal protection so that people like you know like the folks I talked to the special forces guys I talked to were going to come forward and then decided they thought to be forfeiting their lives.

44:29You've got to change that set of circumstances. You got to make those people feel like that's not going to happen to them. And what I think ultimately is going to have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non-human origin. So have other nations. There is a high stakes secret Cold War race to reverse engine this technology. We need to win this race. And the U.S. intends to lead in this new chapter.

44:59I think that needs to happen, like a level set of basic facts. And I really do think it will happen. Well, if that is going to happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something that crazy. I think it's very likely that he does that. I know that he is aware of the film. I know he's aware of what people in his administration say. Has he watched it? Do you know that? He has not watched the film, but I know he's very aware of it. And I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly. And I also know that he has recently, very recently, tasked Tulsi Gabbard with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know.

45:44Really? Yeah. And as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says on camera, on the record, on the film, that this has been kept from sitting presidents. And he goes into detail on how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats in certain elements of the government that control this information and just wait presidents out and don't feel like they have a need to know. Right. Well, there were some people that tried to find information out in the beginning of the Trump administration. Who was it? There was someone that talked about it on record. And said he was told at every turn that you don't have the clearance.

46:18Yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing. Trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then. What base facts? So Jay Stratton, who ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that he briefed – that Mnuchin, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing. And Trump had already known that the base facts, that we're not alone in the universe, that there's been recovery of crash craft, right? He knew those base facts, and he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public.

47:03And so Mnuchin reached out to Stratton to get a briefing, and he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is because he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world we're not alone. Stratton tells a story on camera in the film, and I've heard a lot more about it off camera. So we know Trump contemplated doing this already. now i think the release of this film and rubio's involvement puts enough on the table that it it makes it easier for him to do i think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that right like the amnesty plan the idea behind it would have to be in place or at least grab grab control of the situation and say that we're the this is real in the u.s intends to lead the way because the other the other factor that the white house has to keep in mind is you don't want she or putin being the guy to do that right don't you don't want them to have that right right right um you know something i always think about with when it regards with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic when we entered the space race kennedy gave that big famous speech right he was like we're gonna lead in space uh technology like you know space technology like nuclear technology has no conscious of its own it's up to man to use it for good or bad and we're gonna make sure it's used for the betterment of all mankind and we're going to lead the way that was his whole rallying speech right and it made the whole scientific community be like we're going to help help the u.s win like you know rah rah rah right i think that's needed in this race like we need all the support of the scientific community of academia the kids coming out of mit we need them putting their brain power towards this and i think the white house knows that and it's also the greatest that's the greatest tv moment a leader could have in the history of humanity.

48:50How much do you think Elon knows? Look, I've seen him obviously talk to you about it. I think he knows a lot. Yeah, me too. I don't think you get the contracts and the clearances you need to operate in space without some horse trading. Yeah, when I went to SpaceX, I'm like, motherfucker, you know everything. There's no way you're launching these fucking things into space without them keying you in on exactly what's going on. He's just sly about it. He goes, well, if they're all aliens, they're certainly all subtle. That's what he says. Are they really? I don't know, man. I think it's impossible to operate in space like he does and not be aware of everything.

49:30And also at the level he operates, clearance-wise. I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry. It's like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry. We didn't promote it or publicize it at all. But there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there. And they all seem very aware of everything revealed in the film. Yeah. I'm positive. Yeah. He's my friend. And he won't tell me. He's a legend. He keeps a lid on it. He's a legend. But how would he not know? And, you know, some people have told me he knows, that no, he knows some things.

50:09So whatever. But the point is, people are good at keeping secrets. Yeah. That's real. 100%. Even people that aren't notoriously good at keeping secrets. They're good at keeping secrets when they have to be. Do you think if you put yourself – you've interviewed Trump. Do you see him doing that? Stepping to the mic and telling us the truth? Someone talks to him about it and convinces him it's a great idea. Like if I had an hour with him. I mean it's literally the single – in my opinion, the single greatest moment a leader could have in the history of the world. If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help with his legacy, too, which I think would be a good way to convince him.

50:49And also that the people would be excited about it. Yeah. You know, it's just I think there's probably a lot of forces that we're not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed. You know, there's a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy. A lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty. If there's any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, which I can't imagine there's not some fucking funny money flying around here and there. It's just no oversight. Come on, guys. Oh, you're above board totally with no oversight at all?

51:30And a trillion dollars? Fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do think I've come to understand that he is borderline enraged at how much has been hidden from the White House. So that alone might motivate him to just step up and say the truth. It's also the most bipartisan issue of our time. I'll talk to him about it. Have support. Yeah, you can make a big difference. I'll give it a crack. I'll talk to him about it. There's just so many other things to talk about. You get a Nobel Peace Prize for that, Joe. No, I don't want one of those. I'll never show up. Give it to me. You can have an empty stage. You know, I think I really I'm excited to see what happens on the other side of this release because I think it's going to I think it's going to weaken the public.

52:12I do think they're going to make a ton of demand on on elected leaders and representatives to go take this more seriously. And it's going to put pressure on the White House. People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and say what he says in the film. You know, the thing about Rubio, you remember, he's also the national security adviser. And that's never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years. this guy's in a very powerful position very influential position and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the senate tell him to me as a senator interest and also motivated and fascinated by it so he's engaged in the information totally oh it's what what what what do you find like what do you think if you could choose what happens after a movie like this comes out what would you like to say um some mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty because i think it's the only way to get to the bottom of things because otherwise i think you're going to have every fucking possible legal and uh hierarchical hierarchical whatever the word is hurdle like get every step everyone's going to block your access to information they're going to lie they're going to burn records they're going to hide things they're not going to tell you where anything is.

53:26People will get assassinated. There'll be whistleblowers. They'll be in grave danger. I think there's too much money involved. And you got to think about it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them into criminals, they're going to act like criminals. If you say, hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your fucking life because you lied to Congress, and now we know you did. And there's$250 million that your company got and$300 million this company got over the course of X amount of years. And we know. We know that you got you're in trouble like we're going to put you in jail and then if that if you make them criminals they're going to act like criminals i think you're dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably they make weapons they probably have the most respect for life it's you know if there's a a real discussion where it makes it look like it's their idea as well yeah that they have this obligation to the american people they were held under secrecy for so long but now through this administration and through this openness that we've all decided through the scientific community we're going to release this shit no i think i agree with you and that could change the world the other thing to remember is these aren't villains they're not like this isn't some like dark group of evil people they're they're they're normal people that were given a job to do and then did it right and they weren't the decision makers and and they and they're navigating a situation that is unprecedented there's no playbook for right so they think they're doing the right thing and I think that's important to remember you know you know the put off thing it's in your documentary with Bush Sr.

55:04he talked about it on the podcast that is such a fascinating story back then right after 9-11 Herbert Walker Bush no it was Herbert Walker no the panel was it was George Bush Jr. it was W? oh I thought it was Bush Sr. Yeah, no, it was right after 9-11. Oh, okay. So during that time. So I'm confused. So, but imagine, so let's imagine 2001, where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House? So for people who didn't see the documentary yet or watch the podcast with me and Hal Puthoff, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders, and they were all brought together with a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure.

55:49So basically they said to them, we have acquired crafts that are not of this world and we have biological entities that are not of this world. These are real. We want to know if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real, what would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, on our economy, every element of society. And they put a numerical value to everything. And overwhelmingly, all the people asked had way more con than pro. Yeah, they determined it was a bad idea. Yeah, which is so wild. Wild that there's a think tank over a couple days where a bunch of people got together and decided the fate of humanity.

56:30Isn't that fascinating? It's crazy. The fate, well, at least, I don't think really the fate. I think what it did was just retard everything. It just slowed the growth of access to this. and I really give the New York Times a lot of credit because I think publishing in 2017 that piece that they did on the front page was so huge because the New York Times is arguably the most respected newspaper in the world and for them to address it like it's a real issue and like these pilots are seeing these things they're behaving in ways that don't make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand and these are real yeah and this is New York Times Like that was – so many people texted me after that and called me after that because they know that I'm a UFO nut.

57:15And they're like, hey, man, this might be real. Like serious people that I'm friends with. And I'm like, I think it's real. I think there's something there. Yeah. And it's helped us get us where we are now. Yes. I don't think – the mainstream media support I'm getting for this film right now, I don't think it would have happened if it wasn't for that. No. I think the Times article was the – that burst the membrane. And allowed more data to come. It's just more rational discourse about it. Because I think before then it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed. And you just didn't want to be attached to it because you were a fool.

57:51You'd have to be a fool to be considering it. But the Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets. Like that article, the original headline I think was, We Are Not Alone in the Universe. And they changed it to, I think it was like Black Projects and Hidden Money or something like that. Yeah. They had to dial it down. Well, because they don't know, right? We might not be alone in the universe. These things might be China's. It's not likely. Well, that's the only thing. If we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapons sites and our military bases are China, that's fucking terrifying.

58:28And that should be the biggest issue of our time, hands down. Because we know the intention of the Chinese Communist Party. It's not good, right? They're not our friends. They're adversaries. And Xi has made public statements about wanting to replace the United States at the top of the world order. It's a stated goal. So if it is China, even the possibility that they have some of these crafts alongside non-human crafts existing, even that possibility, it requires the U.S. government to take this so much more serious. Here's an analogy that General Jim Clapper made to me. He was the director of national intelligence.

59:06He's in the film. He's like, before 9-11, we didn't put the right amount of money towards counterterrorism. And we weren't properly sharing information in the intelligence community. Then this horrible thing happened and the public was outraged and said, we got to throw money and resources at counterterrorism. Every elected representative was beating that drum. We started the director of national intelligence position so that the agencies would all share information and you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps. Right. And we threw tons of appropriated funds towards counterterrorism. We now spend more money on counterterrorism than we even need to.

59:39and his point was he hopes it doesn't take something bad happening on this front like china cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then using it against us or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn't favorable to us before we then throw resources towards it and it's essentially the same thing rubio said they they think we need to get ahead of this problem not wait for it to happen and then react to it. Well, of course. I mean, it would be a horrible loss, both in terms of our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology. If China came out and said, we've cracked this, we have UFOs that we back engineered and now we can fly them around and we can go visit other solar systems.

1:00:28And we've created a new energy source. We're going to save the planet. Yeah. We would look like fools. We'd also be set back. Yeah, and if we realized that there would have been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy. And that this had all been done with defense contractors and lying to Congress. It'd be a fucking national disaster. We would look completely incompetent. I really legitimately think a lot of the people in my film stepped up because they don't want to be left holding the bag and have people saying, why didn't you say something sooner?

1:01:00I really think this is - Because it's that close. Cover your butt because it's that close. So when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, what are they saying? Are they saying that they can fly around Earth? Are they saying they can go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space with these things? Like what have they said we are currently able to do with these back engineered crafts that we've supposedly made ourselves? People that I can't attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse engineered technology.

1:01:41Okay. Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit? Or does that mean traveling through the solar system? What was implied to me was traveling through the solar system. Jeez. Yeah. So are these manned? Here's another thing someone – that same person said to me, by the way. Yes. Before I forget, that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war. It would not – those cards would not be shown until moments before like a nuclear war situation. So they wouldn't pull it out to stop like any of the wars we've experienced in the last – since World War II. They wouldn't, you know, regardless of how many.

1:02:29It has to get to nine. It has to get to a level where there's no other option. Wow. Because it's show your cards. Now, when they say that they've traveled through the solar system, is this biological human beings? Or are these drone crafts? Like, what are they saying? I never got any of that. I never got any of that. All I was told is there's some of the UAPs that are seen, that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions, are non-human intelligent life. And some are reverse engineered craft. That's what I was told. But we don't know whether there's a person inside of them. I don't. If they are reverse engineered, they are ours.

1:03:07And we figured out how to make our own. That I don't know. Yeah, I need to know that. Yeah. That's kind of important. Yeah, there's a lot. Is there fucking some dude named Bob flying through space? some Top Gun guy given the task of traveling to Venus real quick wouldn't surprise me you know one of the other things that we were talking about Clapper and Ruby and what they said about China something else that they both said despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed right like they have nothing else in common they both spoke to how we as a species not just our country but an entire human species is held back by this there's something the fact that there's something in the human psyche that says I can't prepare for or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet.

1:03:52Right. And how that leads to strategic surprise because you're not preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening. And Rubio makes great examples. He says, you know, we didn't think the Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor until they figured it out. And they did. Right. We didn't think that terrorists were going to come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack until they did. And with this, He's like, we don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front. We need to be ahead of it. And he very powerfully says that often strategic surprise changes the course of human history.

1:04:23So this is the question. If we have craft that we can travel through the source, we meaning someone in the United States of America, does China, do they have the same ability right now? Is there an understanding of where they're at in the race versus us? Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were. And multiple people talked about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could in fact be reverse engineered Chinese craft. So it is a scary situation. I mean, look, you can ask the average person a common sense question. Knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon?

1:05:08The answer is no, right? Right. Right. So would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than a nuclear weapon? No. But what technology do they have other than the ability to travel? What other observed technology do they have? Well, if you weaponize this technology, like let's just take something like the Tic Tac. Imagine you could imagine you could travel. Take something like that anywhere in the world. Yeah. And put a nuclear weapon in there. Right. You would have a nuclear weapon that goes off in less than a second on the other side of the world.

1:05:43It's completely undetectable to any sensor system. You can't react to it. Yeah. You know, bad news. Also, these vehicles display the ability to be transmedium. So you could put a nuke through any environment. It's very scary. Well, so transmedium, does that mean, I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects? Yeah. So this is one of the things in one of the crazier Jacques Vallée stories that I've read a few of his books. And one of the more bizarre ones, this woman found this object on her property, some large property. I want to say it's Nevada.

1:06:23I forget where it was. California, Nevada. But anyway, this egg-shaped large object. And that as it took off, it flew through the trees. She said it didn't disturb the trees. It just went right through them. Yeah. So that's, I mean, look, one of those, one of those, the, if you remember in the film, there's this great scene where Hal Pudoff and Eric Davis were two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs. They break down how they figured out how these craft work and how they are warping space time in a localized area. And they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in.

1:06:56And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it. The environment becomes irrelevant. So it could move through physical space, could move from air to space to the water, frictionless, there's no splash. Like the environment outside the bubble is irrelevant. They're creating their own space time essentially. They're warping space time and creating a bubble around the craft. And when you start to think about how that could be weaponized, it's really terrifying. And what is he saying that they're using? Like how are they – He's saying that they're creating an immense amount of energy in this localized area to create the bubble.

1:07:30And there's two prevailing thoughts on how that energy is created. One is they're tapping into so-called zero-point energy, which has only been theorized at this point by humans, right? Or they're using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a far-off source to the local area, the bubble. And that's what they figured out. And do they have any knowledge of these generators or how they're acquiring this amount of power, what they're using? How are they harnessing zero-point energy? No. No. No. But if we've got one and we've back-engineered it successfully, clearly someone must know. Yeah. So someone knows.

1:08:09Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists in the legacy program, and were sharing information, and that got shut down by the CIA. So before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we've been doing secretly and what we've been figuring out. Jeez, so it's the fucking CIA Well, look the film the film the film reveals that the the legacy program the craft retrieval reverse engineering program It has several elements elements of the Air Force its elements of the Department of Energy its elements of the CIA And its defense contractors and the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing the Air Force is used for recovery like fieldwork essentially they have the teams that can react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it.

1:09:01And they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base. The defense contractors have the technology, know-how, and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering. The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of the president's reach and Congress's reach. They also have people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy. and then the the CIA quarterbacks the whole thing think of them as like operational control and this is revealed by a number of people in the film and every single source I talked to there were a lot of people Joe that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public but they couldn't be on camera and they guided me you know filled in gaps for me helped me understand the lay of the land there were some people that told me not to interview there was a couple mold there was a couple people that were sent to me i was people wanted to trick me into including them in the film really because they were crazy people um and i didn't i didn't i didn't i didn't include them i got tipped off by people don't stay clear of that that's someone's agenda trying to sink your ship um but uh yeah i had a lot of folks helping the senate intelligence committee and the senate armed services committee were extremely supportive and you know i really don't think i would have been able to pull off making the film I did, if not for their help.

1:10:23And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out. Because none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule. They didn't want to be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right? Not only because there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they can be made fun of or the reputation be damaged but there's also this security system around the deeply hidden crash or shield program that for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up and so what i basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with you know several dozen other people and once rubio leaned into that i just started getting tremendous support from the armed service committee and the intelligence committee and then senator rounds became very helpful behind the scenes um intelligence officials um who worked this topic like like jay stratton and lou alzando and hal putoff um were extremely helpful behind the scenes opening doors introducing me to people um and uh yeah i think that um i think this is really the only way this is this we were gonna we were gonna get this level of information out by giving people that safety in numbers and then And after this, it's going to require the kind of amnesty we talked about because this is only what they can lawfully disclose.

1:11:51There's so much more. So when it comes to underground or, excuse me, underwater stuff, this is what Tim Burchette was talking about when that person was famously interviewing him. And everybody was like, what? You're just walking across the street casually talking about bases where they're coming out of the ocean? Yeah. It's crazy. What do they think that is? is that different from what's going on in the sky? No, they think it's the same crafts. So they have a base? More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical place is the ocean.

1:12:29It's the majority of our planet. We've barely studied it. We've barely... One of the admirals in my film says, we've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans. It's crazy how much is unexplored, right? And so it's the most obvious place to hide. There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans. One of the people I talked to who thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean. And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like a functioning craft.

1:13:12And the helicopter pulled out and they dropped the line and the helicopter took off and the seal was in the water and watched this thing take off. And then he had to be recovered out of the water. That's crazy. And the craft that they were trying to recover went down. Yeah, it went down. And did the big ship take it or anything? They said actually – they actually literally said that. They said it took it and went back down. Yo. Yeah. How big was the big one? They said it was big. Just big. That's the only word they used to be honest. Yeah. And the guy was rattled because the guy was in the sea.

1:13:43The seal was in the water hooking a line to this craft. And then when the helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water just shitting his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience. And then was he wearing a vest? I'm sure. I'm sure he's wearing his like fucking doggy paddling. Leave him there in the fucking water. These guys panic and pull out. Maybe the UFO would have let you take it. all these situations are really bonkers. I wonder what would have happened if they were like, fuck you, we're taking it. You know? What I often wonder is if any of the guys on that shopper snap video of this thing, you know?

1:14:24There's a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share, you know? And that's one of the other things. We need a declassification process that's real and sincere and rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed that won't hurt our national security, right? And just start being transparent with the public. This encounter of the SEAL reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue. There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors who have had – and intelligence officials who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects like real issues, cancer, autoimmune issues.

1:15:22A number of people have died of cancer after being around these things. and that's a whole other level of accountability. You know, there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for. They shouldn't have been put in those situations. You know, there's families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the U.S. government and died. Jesus. So that's a whole other side of this. Them getting cancer from being around the object or being around biologics or both? The object. The object. Because once you understand that these craft are warping space-time in a localized area and creating an immense amount of energy, getting close to it is like getting close to a huge electrical system or it's bad.

1:16:04Right. That's the Travis Walton story. It's a lot of stories. Yeah. Travis Walton in particular, that's what he said happened. He got close to the object and something zapped him. And, you know, whether it was an actual like targeted attack or whether it was just something, a reaction to him being so close to this energy that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt. Yeah. And that they took off. Yeah. I've spoken off the record to some intelligence officials who have managed to actually get the government to take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status, AHI status, which has only gone to victims of quote-unquote Havana syndrome.

1:16:49And it's a real situation, but not everyone has the relationships or the ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get that AHI status. The Secretary of Defense has to give you the AHI status. This is going to sound crazy, but is there a particular protocol for dealing with the kind of cancer that you get from getting in contact with a UFO? The only thing that I know of, I wouldn't call it a protocol, but I do know that there is a couple specific people, doctors who have become a part of the intelligence communities looking into this. And they've become the go-to doctors for people having biological effects.

1:17:27And if you have a relationship with them, if you can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have the right doctors to send you to. Gary Nolan, who you interviewed, is one of those people. Yeah, Gary Nolan, who's done some groundbreaking research on cancer. Yeah. Yeah. Gary – The other guy, I shouldn't say his name, but he used to work for one of the big intelligence agencies that's deeply involved in this. The other thing that Gary has that's really fascinating is the research on materials, like some of the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites.

1:18:17and how bizarre they are. Yeah, from studying the isotopes. The stuff that Gary's gotten into that I find the most mind-blowing is he has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence officials have had with UAP and biological effects it's caused. And some of them are crazy. Like a Department of Defense official who had a UAP above his house and went out in his backyard and looked up at it and then the thing zapped him with the directed energy weapon. And he has all of the medical signs of a directed energy attack. And this is a super senior credible guy who had recently been made aware of the UAP issue.

1:18:58And then he has this experience. Wow. Yeah. It's pretty wild. So what are the effects of a direct energy weapon? Like, what are the consequences? Cancer. That's what he's getting? Cancer. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Do you know about the Varginia Brazil story? Do you know about the James Fox documentary? Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to see James' follow-up. Yeah, he's got a new one. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a follow-up with, I think it's the actual doctor that worked with the patient. He was at the hospital that night and interacted with the being. Yeah, I'm excited to see that. So the story is that this police officer, that they found this crash and the documentary is excellent.

1:19:42If you haven't seen that, folks, it's called Moment of Contact. It's really good. And one of the things that's really good about it is the eyewitnesses. When the eyewitnesses returned to the scene of the crime, I'm like, or excuse me, the scene of the crash. I was like, either that guy is an amazing actor. No, it's great. Or he's really crying because he's remembering this insane moment in his life. Yeah. And there was eyewitnesses that saw a live one of these things. And this police officer found one that was injured, carried it, put it in the car, physically carried it. They brought it to a hospital.

1:20:13That hospital told them, we don't know what to do with this. You got to take it somewhere else. They took it to a second hospital. And the second hospital, this is the doctor allegedly that examined it. That police officer had a horrific bacterial infection that they could not cure. And he died within weeks. It's horrible. Yeah. It's horrible. there's there's so many examples of these interactions going bad but it's also like you know imagine you didn't know what a fighter jet was and there was you know giant flame coming out the back of it and you walk behind it you're going to be toast you know it's not i don't think it's an intentional thing i think it's we're interacting with a technology we don't understand and you're getting too close to it we're getting too close to it don't go walk up to it yeah if it's floating in the air totally that means it's got an insane amount of power that's carrying this fucking totally 2000 ton thing the other crazy story that um was in so um james fox's movie the phenomenon which uh you know he directed it yeah he's totally responsible for making that movie i was a producer on it with him um but it's all james james 100 made that movie um one of the coolest stories in that film was the aerial school phenomenon story at the end these kids in zimbabwe yeah at a school in like I think it was 89 or 90 91 something like that maybe it was 94 around that time these kids like between the ages of like 7 and 13 or something like that they all saw this this craft come down during their recess and they all say they experienced the same thing they all saw these beings that looked like they were moving in slow motion around the craft and they saw this craft take off at thousands of miles an hour after years later they're all saying the same thing the stories didn't change they didn't try to like you know make money off this at all it's a wild story but now when you look back at that story through what guys like Cal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble do you know what would make someone look like they're moving slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next to the craft where time and space is moving differently than outside the craft.

1:22:21That's literally what it would do. For the same reasons why the craft in the bubble could just be cruising along, but to us it looks like it's going at these impossible speeds. You're in a different space-time environment. So all these things that people saw at Ariel, you know, in Brazil, they get explained by these reveals that are starting to come out now. And to me, that's wild, seeing how these things all connect, you know? Yeah, it is crazy. And it's essentially this description of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the exact same way Lazar was describing it. Yeah. Which is really nuts.

1:22:56That in 1989, he was proposing that there's some sort of a gravity-defying device. Yeah. And that it was using element 115, and then it was radiated, and somehow or another is creating this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it wants to be rather than propels it. Yeah. The way he described it is like if you took a bowling ball and you put it in a very soft cushion, it would just push through. And then that's what these things do. It just pushes through to wherever it's supposed to be. Yeah. The other explanation is like a ball rolling downhill, like a surfboard pointed down, riding a wave.

1:23:36When did they first start to become aware of underwater activity? And when did they first start to suspect that these things were in fact having at least some sort of a base underneath the oceans? I don't know the exact first, but I do know from people I've talked to that as far back as the 80s. Wow. Yeah. Which is incredible. Well, the crazy thing is that they've really been studying this stuff and retrieving things like back from Roswell, which was 47. They've really been doing this stuff for that long. it's it's kind of crazy that they were able to actually keep a lid on it for so long I mean it's not that crazy when your life's being threatened and it's kind of got a lid on it right?

1:24:23kind of but not really because we all know about Roswell yeah there's been people leaking over the years information but I think now we're at a tipping point where like I really believe the release of this film is the singular tipping point where you have this many credible, high-level people saying, yes, this is real. I mean, even Clapper going on the record saying that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. The biggest conspiracy globally that there's UFOs over Area 51 that 90 % of humanity has written off as bullshit, right? Here's the guy who was director of national intelligence and head of Air Force Intelligence saying, no, that's real.

1:24:57Like, it's like... So I think this tipping point, and Rubio going on the record, second most powerful guy in the world, arguably, saying that the presidents are kept out of loop on this and that defense contractors have taken this over and that even he even says that every now and then advancements made get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors make a bunch of money on for their own best interest, not for the benefit of the nation and national security. Like these are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible. And I think that because we've had all the leaks over the years, it's going to resonate with people.

1:25:29People are like, oh shit, all those things that have been slipping out over the years, It's real. And these guys are validating it. And it'll be really interesting to see what's on the other side of that. And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people in the intelligence community military, you start learning about adjacent things that are equally bonkers. Like remote viewing, which you've talked a lot about, right? I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that Hal Pudoff was the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate, backed by the DOD and the CIA.

1:26:02and also was deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades. There's a lot of overlap. And the remote viewing topic is fascinating. It's another one of those things where more you learn about it and you're like, there is a there there. It's a real situation. And it's extraordinary. It makes you think how much more is hidden from us that we have. I definitely want to talk about that. But I want to ask you, were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into? No. No one said it on the record. I was shocked when Rubio said that on camera when he went there, like clearly stating that – I mean I think word for word I think he says – and every now and then an advancement gets made and gets commercialized and some companies making a ton of money on it for their own interest.

1:26:48But is there any suspicions when you – Yeah. No, I've heard suspicions. Like what? Like how it has impacted hypersonic missiles. I've heard things about early days of fiber optics. I've heard things about night vision. But no one would go on the record and say something definitive. The thing people were comfortable saying and Rubia said is that defense contractors have been in control of this over the decades. Congress has lost congressional oversight. And essentially these programs are just moving along and keeping it to themselves. and when you keep something to yourself, it's easy to Slip a win into your commercialized side of your business, you know, right?

1:27:32I would like to know what that is though. Me too. Really interesting. Do you know the and who knows by the way if it's even public? It might be something that they made right that isn't public that they're using They get bigger contracts right right in exchange for shutting up about it Right, of course. Why wouldn't you let's go deep put that fucking chin pull chin foil hat on Do you know about the conspiracy about Bell laboratory? Yeah, yeah, I've heard I've heard I've heard a lot about that. Yeah, the tinfoil hat thing is a good reminder That has been that that one things I learned is that the stigma around this was created by the people covering this up So oh yeah in the early 50s late 40s the CIA when they took control of this They were like we got to make sure people don't ask about this.

1:28:19How do we do that? It's just psychological operation. Like make people think they're crazy. Make people think they're wacko. Make tinfoil hat jokes. And then that gets, you know, built into our culture and different generations grow up thinking, oh, you're a nut if you talk about this. It'd be embarrassing. You have your career ruined. And now here we are. We're like, you know, people giggle when you bring up this serious issue. Right. And still. Yeah. And it's been used against people inside a government. So here's here's a good story. This is – yeah, I'll just tell you. So Jay Stratton told me about an event that happened on the military base that is Top Gun, the Top Gun base, where a craft came down.

1:28:59I don't know exactly how high it was, whether it was in the air or in space, but came down from very high, dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander and his number two. And they documented it with video recording. And this was when Jay was running the UAP task force. and they reached out to him saying they wanted to report this. And Jay went and talked to them in person, and they were going to do an official, these are super senior guys that were going to do an official on-the-record testimony about what they saw with their own eyes. And Jay told a senior guy in Naval Intelligence, who he thought was on the right side of history, and before these guys could come in and testify, the Naval Intelligence official, who was actually part of the cover-up, sent these guys tinfoil hats and told them that's what they'd be wearing the rest of their lives if they spoke up.

1:29:52And the guys reached out to Jay and said, we're not providing the evidence. We're not going to talk about this. Let's pretend it never happened. So, you know, that kind of stuff really holds back because it's very easy to deter a military. Somebody's devoted their whole life to climbing the ladder in the military. And you're going to tell them that you could just and their career path in an instant, why would they keep going forward? Yeah, why would they? Makes no sense. I wouldn't. I'd shut my fucking mouth and maybe tell Jesse Michaels 10 years later. That's what a lot of these guys wind up doing.

1:30:28They retire and then they start talking. I do think that we're going to see more people come out. I really, I've already started, I've started receiving, since the trailers have been out there, I've started receiving incoming DMs on social media sites, from super senior people where I look up who they are and I'm like, holy shit. And they're like, hey, we should talk in person sometime. There's some things I want to share. And I don't know what's going to come out of that. I haven't done those meetings yet. But I imagine people are going to come out of the woodwork because this stuff is real and it's been hidden so much.

1:31:01And I know there's some big people coming out next year. Stratton's book is going to be a big thing too. I've actually been working with him on it, developing his book. and it's going to come out in the spring. HarperCollins is publishing it. And it's fucking bombshell. It's bonkers. Wow. So much detail. One of the other things that I didn't include in the film, Joe, that's – I mean, it's bonkers to think about. All of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government, like the people involved in OSAP and AATIP and UAP Task Force, they all started having activity at their homes when they were investigating non-human intelligent life.

1:31:43What kind of activity? Orbs in their houses. Orbs interacting with their family, causing medical issues for family members. Family members ending up in the hospital due to orb activity. What issues due to orb activity? One of the senior intelligence officials that I spoke to, and I'll let him tell his own story when he's ready, But his son got extremely impacted by an orb, black and blue over his whole body, had to go to the hospital, looked like someone took a bat to his chest. I didn't include this in the film, this section, because I feel like when you get into the stuff happening in people's houses, I think it's a bridge too far for a lot of people.

1:32:28And you got to like set the table with the base facts first, which is what my film does. and then they can open their minds to these other things. But what I found really interesting is when I would do these interviews with people and they would all talk about this activity they started having at their houses that in some cases caused medical issues, it was all after they started looking into non-human intelligent life. And their takeaway was that non-human intelligent life was looking into them because they were looking into non-human intelligent life. And they made the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to D.C.

1:32:57to spy on Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy. And so that was their outlook. And I thought that was really interesting and almost implies like a human level of thinking, you know? Or maybe some attempt to make contact. Yeah. Maybe. There was a guy that I interviewed at Skinwalker Ranch who lived outside of the ranch who had an orb experience. And I talked to a few people there that were clearly out of their fucking mind and maybe on meth. but a few people uh that seemed pretty credible and this guy was the most just a regular guy with a regular job interesting guy cool to talk to um he said that he's had a few weird sightings but the the weirdest one was one day in his home this orb that was like uh larger than a softball he said but came flying into his house and was in the living room with him and it was interacting with him and then it flew down the hallway and flew right through the walls yeah disappeared but he said it interacted with him yeah like it was in front of him like letting him know that it's there almost some people say almost in a playful way yeah and i've heard about this orb activity in intelligence officials houses like more times than i can remember countless times and the journey of this movie i not only got to know a lot of these intelligence officials very well but like went and spent time with their wives, with their kids, with them together.

1:34:28And when you see like a wife completing a husband's sentence, like they're telling you what they experienced together. It's bonkers, man. It's wild. It's like, holy shit, this happened, you know? And then we, when you hear their kids talk about it separately and you're like, that's literally word for word. What like you guys are all experienced the same thing. You have these different POVs. It's not like the family got together with a coordinated lie. Doesn't feel like that. Kids into doing it. That seems a little, that seems a little over the top. Cause like to what end, right? I didn't even, it's not like I put it in the movie, you know um um yeah but it's it's it's really fascinating and the orb activity um who knows what it is man it could be it could be another form of the warping of space time in localized area like once you do that time and space is different in that bubble so that could be a much bigger craft inside of a energy ball that we see we might just that might be what we see is the orb right it might be a transportation device there might be a being in there and this is just what we're seeing is what's on the outside of this warping of space-time well that's another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described that was very weird was a craft that was small but then when they got inside of it it was the size of a football field yeah so that that also goes with the warping of space-time so hal says in the film this was something i was shocked at hal said i was really shocked he says the warping of space-time in the bubble explains a lot of things that at this point haven't made sense to us.

1:35:55And he says, like, for example, when a military serviceman goes onto a craft that looks like it's, you know, 40 feet and then when he goes inside, it looks like it's the size of a football field. That makes sense now because from outside the bubble, it's one thing and inside the bubble, it's something else. And that's wild. Yeah, and I've heard that story a number of times from people who have never talked to each other. Yeah, it's like we have this very simple understanding of objects and of space and the ability to move around in them. And this kind of spectacular technology, I think we kind of have to think about it just like all other spectacular technology.

1:36:38Like if you were around in the 1400s, you couldn't possibly imagine the concept of a nuclear bomb. It would be impossible. or nuclear energy or even a cell phone. Yeah. Now, imagine new breakthroughs happen, and now this bubble gets created, and we start to figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles, and then we realize that what's happening in these bubbles is not what you see on the outside, that it's completely warping, which is also one of the weird questions, like, why are UFOs so blurry? That answers that question because, you know, Hal says it. And Hal says it. And I loved when he revealed this because, like, oh, that just checks the box.

1:37:17It makes sense. People have trouble taking photos of UAP because they're literally taking a photo through a space – a space-time bubble, basically. The warping of space-time. So the analogy would be, like, you know, if you go under the ocean, you take a picture of a fish, you're going to get better visibility. You're in their domain, right? You're in their environment, right? But if you go above the ocean, right, you're now in a different environment and you try taking a photo from above the water, it's going to be all distorted and wacky looking because you're taking a photo through a barrier, another environment, right?

1:37:50It's the same basic logic. Like try taking a picture of koi fish from above the water. You can't do it, right? And so that's just the simplest answer. Like that's what they're doing. They are warping space time in a localized area. They're creating a barrier between our environment and their environment. And when you try to take a photo through it, it's not great. It's also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things because the radar detector, a radar detector, the way it works is radar is emitted towards an object. It bounces back to the radar detector, and that's how you track where it is, right?

1:38:19But the radar is just going around the bubble, and it's not going back to the radar detector because it's just going around the bubble. It's a different environment, right? And supposedly we can do that now? Well, the interview subjects clearly imply that some of the UAP, not imply, they state that some of the UAP we're seeing might be our reverse engineer technology. Might be. And is there any theories about other potential methods of propulsion rather than just this bubble? Is anything done in a more traditional way? Are there, like, is there levels of these things, like, when it comes to the technological abilities?

1:39:03Not that I've heard. Everyone I interviewed that was willing to talk about the technology was convinced this is what they were doing. That they're all doing a very similar thing. And it was a unifying theory. It explains everything we've ever observed. Like, all the performance characteristics we've observed UAP displaying. And so the theory is that all of these advanced beings from wherever they're from, the various different species of them, that all of them have this particular type of technology. Yeah. Huh. Which if it's the key to interstellar travel, then. Kind of makes sense. But it's like, are they all figuring out this?

1:39:41Are they getting it from each other? Like, is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology? Well, one of the things shared that I found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft that we've recovered and adversarial nations have recovered weren't crash crafts and weren't crafts that they caused to crash. They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift. Yeah. Diana Pasolka discusses them as donations. So gifts, donations, but the thought, okay, so if you try to explain that, why would anyone do that?

1:40:19Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick. Maybe it's survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth. Maybe it's a big IQ test. Who knows what it is? But that's an interesting scenario and seems intentional from whoever put it there. Well, it would make sense if they were trying to help, that that would be the least intrusive way. Instead of like coming down, hello, let me show you how to do this. Instead of doing that, just like, hey, figure this out, stupid. Get all your brightest people. And at the very least, you'll figure something out.

1:40:52Yeah. And maybe that's what they're saying, that these things have gone into some sort of a commercial application. I just want to know what those things are. Yeah. Because this was the thing that I was getting at with Bell Laboratory. So Bell Labs was – this is the – the conspiracy theory is that some of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back engineering program. And that there was a reason why there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And the idea was that military base was supposed to be guarding New York City. But the New York City was like kind of far away.

1:41:27Like you'd want to be a little closer if you're guarding New York City. And it's much more likely that it was actually just guarding this laboratory and that there was a company called the American Computer Company. And the American Computer Company, are they still around? Let's see if they still have this page. It's a very wacky page. So they would just – they made made-to-order computers. Like you would call it up. I want a whatever, 5 gigahertz Intel processor, blah, blah, blah. And they would do it all for you. I want a two terabyte hard drive. They would set it all up for you and send it to you.

1:42:02And then they had a whole section of their website that was dedicated to back engineering technology from Bell Labs and how it all happened. And they were talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the transistor, that these things had come specifically from the discoveries that they had made from the back engineering of a craft that was down at Roswell. Yeah. Which was also by the way Roswell was a site of a lot of nuclear testing. Yeah, I was told that Rock you know people say in the film that Roswell did in fact happen there was a crash for non-human bodies were in The craft and recovered and the technology the craft materials and the bodies were sent to right pat Air Force Base right in Ohio, which is very close to Battelle, right and

1:42:54and And then maybe that's the reason why Bell Labs is near a military base. Maybe it's more about proximity to a base that can have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials, and then get them to a facility close by without the need for moving them across the country. And that would also, if it was true, would also be one of the first examples of this coordination between government and defense contractors, government and scientists that were commercially working. and that they somehow or another arranged to get these brightest minds to, hey, what's this? How's this work? Is that computer company still around?

1:43:35I don't think so, but I just stumbled across something. I was reading that. Another story about the Bell Labs story? No, it's like a letter from the guy that says he's the head of American Computer Company. What is he saying? I just found it as you asked the question, trying to see why this was relevant. This was like back, I want to say it might have been like the 90s, late 90s or early 2000s when I first started going online. And I found out about them because, you know, I used to make my own computers back then. So I'd go and get a motherboard and hard drive and do all that stuff. That's cool.

1:44:10It was fun. For gaming, it was really fun because you could like set it up with like powerful video cards and everything like that. But there was a bunch of companies that would sell like really high end put together computers so you didn't have to go through all that work. And so I was just looking at companies that make computers, made to order Windows computers. And I found them. And I was like, what? What the fuck is this? Do they still have that up? That's wild. That I don't know. I started to try to find it. I thought I found it. What about the Wayback Machine? Well, this article that I found that says it's extracted from Nexus Magazine, 1999.

1:44:49You know, the thing about when you think about what could be verse engineered. Hold on. What is it? He says everything you talked about. Yeah? I'll show up. Can you see it? It's very long. Oh, okay. It's all written, but it talks about alien craft. Yeah. Okay. So it said, so now not only do we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT &T, but we're also in possession of a Very high level, level five, top secret security clearance military faxes describing something called Sky Station. What? Here it says, like, we try to be cute.

1:45:25We try to put up a picture. If you go to our website, it's still there. Here's our website. Bottom of the page is a nav bar pointer. Is that website still up? I'll click on it. Click on it. Let's see what we got here. Just in case I'm weird. Nope. That's always not the exact same. That's gone, son. It's a website. Yeah, but that's a bullshit website That's not the American computer company website is it? No, that's just like American priority payment systems What is this who bought them do you know? Probably the fucking government man But this is talking about everything you just said but although that's why I was trying to figure out where what this is it's a websites I don't reverse engineering Roswell UFO technology Look at this.

1:46:11It says here, the symbol for the transistor is made up of three pieces, positive, positive, and negative, or negative, negative, and positive. Silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and boron in 1947. Now, 1947, doping things with boron was not easy. It required the sort of equipment that even Bell Labs in 1946 did not possess. They they had this type of equipment at Lawrence Berkeley laboratories But it would have taken thousands and thousands and thousands of man hours to invent the transistor If you look back at it historically what AT &T was claiming was that one day this genius William Shockley working with a rectifier He locked looked at it and noticed that it had unusual propensities and there bingo he invented the transistor He figured it out right there.

1:47:03And to verify that, the two other geniuses that they got to help work with him on the transistor, Dr. Barden and Dr. Brattain, both said, oh, yeah, I remember the guy by the name of the case was allegedly talking about transistors in 1931. and I knew back then we were going to have them. He said that is the history of the transistor at AT &T prior to 1948, other than claiming it was invented in December of 1947 by Dr. Shockley. Anybody believe that story? Me neither. And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor project was Jack Morton, the man at whose house I was staying to go to school and whose sons I was friends with.

1:47:49And he often commented on the fact that it was really a shame that those three idiots got responsibility for the transistor and he didn't. And I always wondered because he too didn't possess the scientific ability to develop the transistor. He was a brilliant man who had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed space triode, but it appeared that he was brought in to head up the project to try to draw back the transistor in time to radio tubes. and the image that Shockley talked about, and it was as if the whole thing was just a ploy, and he might as easily have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as Bill Shockley.

1:48:34Professional jealousy, it says, question mark. Wow. So there's questions about the invention of the transistor according to these guys, but it's also fiber optics, and it's the things that, what they're saying is that these things kind of came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard not to line it up, you know? Yeah. Well, it certainly lines up time-wise with the Roswell crash. And, you know, the labs working on these things being close proximity to bases that are known for recoveries and reverse engineering. Around Roswell, the engineers, the Army Air Corps engineers that were based at Wright-Patt were literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps.

1:49:14Jesus. Like, that's who was based there. That's so crazy. Yeah, and people forget at the time it was the Army Air Corps at Roswell, you know? Yeah. And the, yeah, I mean, the dots all line up, you know? The other thing to think about with what technology has been cracked is just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean they didn't crack it. Like, typically, you know, if you just look at, like, you know, aerospace, like fighters and stuff, our black projects are, like, 30 years out. Mm-hmm. You know? Right, right. So. Right. They might have come up with something truly extraordinary. Is it 30 years out?

1:49:47That 10 people know about. Are you thinking about it in like 1990 and 2000 times? Or is it 30 years out now? Because technology is obviously moving at an exponential pace. I mean. Is it really still? Because 30 years from now, I feel like we have a digital god. Yeah. I can't believe that they're 30 years out. It's 30 for sure. Really? Yeah. Multiple intelligence officials have told me. Even the people who are not dealing with UAP, they're just working at like Defense Intelligence Agency. They're like aerospace experts. they're looking at our they have to be aware of our black projects that are 30 years out and adversaries projects that are 30 years out and I mean that stuff's wild I talked to a very senior intelligence official who is in his 80s who in the 70s mid 70s was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA what?

1:50:37yeah no one heard about quantum entanglement I think until like 15 years ago Yeah, so how was he working on quantum entanglement? Didn't get into the details. That was the headline I got, and it's a super serious guy. But that was the headline I got. He was doing fringe science work dealing with quantum entanglement for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-'70s. And quantum entanglement under what end? As a method of distribution of information? Unclear. Unclear. I wouldn't want to assume, but that was the headline. And that's the – it was said to me in the context of when the public hears about something existing, it's long after it's existed in terms of black project science.

1:51:24And so it just makes you think like if things have come off the back of this technology and some of it has been commercialized, actually like put into hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever, what hasn't? What's just been kept in a box? It's pretty wild to think about. But the reality is, I mean, all of that leads me to just, I really feel like if we get into this era of transparency and everyone knows it's real and all scientists know it's a valid area of inquiry and all the bright young minds out there that are in high school or college right now know this is something they can put their brain power towards, so much amazing stuff could come out of it.

1:51:58Like think about the space race, 35 ,000 inventions, they say, came out of the space race, like Velcro and a bunch of other stuff. Right. I think the fear would be that the openness would also lead to espionage, you know, because we already have a problem with that. We already have a problem with agents of the CCP that infiltrate technology companies and get busted. And it happens at universities. It's an issue, you know, and if it was open transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest minds like, you know. Maybe, but maybe it's like the amnesty thing. Maybe it just needs to happen for the greater good.

1:52:34Yeah, that's the question. Like if they're both, if both the United States and China are literally on the brink, maybe it's a conversation that needs to be had for the greater good of humanity. Yeah. You know, that this notion that we are the only intelligent life that we've so far observed in the universe is a lie. And that whether where they come from, whether they're interdimensional or whether interstellar or whatever they are, there's something other than us that's more advanced than us. that can do things that we can't do and that we've learned from them. And despite our differences, we have a lot in common in the situation and that we're all in it together.

1:53:10That's the Reagan speech. Yeah. Yeah, that famous Reagan speech at the UN. The two famous president speeches that I now look through, I look at it in a completely different way, is Reagan's speech at the United Nations where he says, I often think, despite our differences, what will unite us is a threat from outside this planet that brought us all together and reminded us of our common bonds as humans. But the other speech, well, first of all, that one, why do you often think that, Ronald Reagan? Right. Why is Reagan saying that? You're the president. Why are you often thinking this? It gave so many people hope.

1:53:39Some of the dorks like me, like, yeah, maybe really. Well, the other one is the Eisenhower speech about the military industrial complex. Yes. Where he warned us. And he warned us at a time where we now know the legacy program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors to reverse engineering this technology. And he warns, he says very, very, very clearly that the ability exists and will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic process and get us – basically he's saying we'll get us a place where the contractors are going to have more power than Congress.

1:54:15And here we are in 2025 with leaders in Congress and our secretary of state saying that's literally what happened. That's literally the situation right now. The president is out of the mix. Congress is out of the mix. The people are the mix. And military contractors, the military industrial complex, is in control, has unchecked power, and just waits out sitting presidents. It's wild to listen to his full speech through that context and know that that's what he was talking about. And it came to fruit. Yeah. Yeah. And it's 80 years later. We're like, oh, he was right. And the thing is, that speech was, he did that live on the air to the world.

1:54:50And people didn't really get a chance to watch it until the internet. Because most people, you'd have to read about it, or you'd have to go somewhere and find some 35 millimeter footage and strap it onto a projector and go watch him say that. Most people never saw it. You didn't see it until the internet came around, and then people had encoded it and turned it into YouTube videos. Super powerful speech. There's a third one that I looked through a different lens now, which is not long before he was killed, Kennedy gave a speech about how secrecy is repundent. Yeah, secret societies. Yes. And he said are repundent in a free society and they challenge our democratic way of life and we shouldn't allow it.

1:55:32Yeah. You know? Look where that got him. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, he was literally taking on secret societies. Yeah. I mean, he wanted to disband the CIA. He had a lot of ideas. Yeah, yeah. Look, I hope that people involved in this at the CIA or at these defense contractors realize, like you said, they have a moment here to be the heroes of the story. Yes. And to spin it and just say, hey, we were taking on a job that no one else knew existed. We were doing the best we could. We thought we made good decisions. Like any war, there's casualties of war, right? But our intention was to do the best for the United States.

1:56:12and we want to come out and tell everyone what we've learned in a safe way where we can share some information, educate the base, you know, the public with the base facts and then keep the rest classified for national security reasons. They would, these people would all just be, you know, heroes, heroes. They go down in history. We would be stunned though. I mean, the United States, I think if the full extent, if these people are telling the truth, the full extent of this cover up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled. Like, wow. Like they lied for so long. They covered up so much. And then there would be the anger at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger pointing.

1:56:48And then there would be the very real problem of defense contractors getting access to back engineered equipment where other defense contractors were not. So they would have an unfair advantage competitively. Yeah. I mean, look, a bunch of defense contractors went out of business over the years. You'd also have to look back at some of the older defense contractors that were given materials in the 40s and 50s and then got acquired by a Lockheed or a Northrop. Lockheed and Northrop bought all of the smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over the years. Really? Yeah. Yeah, a bunch of them.

1:57:23So those are the big ones? Yeah. Lockheed and Northrop? Northrop, Raytheon, and Patel. So you think they all have access? Yeah, elements of them. I mean, you can't look at – just like you can't look at the government as all one big entity. You can't look at like – it's not like everybody at Lockheed Martin knows about non-human technology, right? But there are people that are in control of that situation. And this comes from multiple people I interviewed in my film. They all said the exact same names. Jeez. Yeah. No, it's fascinating. Did you ever go down – how much of a rabbit hole have you gone down on the remote viewing stuff?

1:58:01I've gone down a few rabbit holes. Yeah. It's fascinating what they have actually been able to do with it. The Hal put off story about the crashed Soviet craft that they found, that this remote viewer guy found, like within a three-mile radius, located it exactly. Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it. Yeah. There's audio of Jimmy Carter telling that story. See if we can find that. It's wild, man. Yeah. We'll try to find that because that is pretty crazy. The thing that I find the most fascinating about it, aside from just, like, it's real, is the connection with UAP. And there are people who have had UAP encounters and then end up with these abilities for remote view.

1:58:43And that is well. So it's a biological effect of an encounter. Yeah. There's a big book that I've been a part of developing that's going to come out next year. It's a memoir. It's been publicized a little bit under a pseudonym. Scott Andrews is the name, but that's not his real name. He was an intelligence official who, as a kid, had a UAP encounter. And then, late in life, had a medical issue that no one could explain. And then they found that he had these amoebas in his body that should have killed him. Like, there was no reason why he should be alive. And he had an immediate brain surgery. And after he had the brain surgery, when he was healing, certain memories started to come back.

1:59:28And all of a sudden, he was able to remote view. And he didn't understand what he was doing. He talked to some other intelligence officials who told him what you're doing is called remote viewing. People are trained to do that. But he was doing it like he had done it before. Like Jason Bourne, like, you know, these skills are coming back, right? And around that time, he found, when he was healing, he was out of the hospital, he found a locked file cabinet in his father's office. His father passed away. In the cabinet was a bunch of files about his life organized by the year. And amongst the files were his enlistment paperwork in the U.S.

2:00:02Air Force as a child, like 12 or 13 years old, which is not legal. And then his honorable discharge at 18. And the service code was Space Intelligence Communications. And the base was the old Space Force base, like straight up real documents. And then he went to his mother, who was still alive, and said, do you know anything about this? and she said I don't know anything about it but she's like do you remember when you were a kid and you saw that UFO and he didn't really remember if he starts jogging his memory she said you saw this UFO come out of this this lake I think it was a lake or a pond and he's like I do now I do remember she's remember you ran home and you told me and dad and and and she said all I know is the next day like those men from the Air Force came to talk to you with your dad and then I never heard anything else about it and so where this story goes is unpacking this connection between UAP encounters and, you know, while there's some biological effects that are bad, there are some that are also like, if you call it a gift, I don't know if you'd call it a gift or a curse, but like - Unlocking a potential, perhaps.

2:01:01Unlocking a potential is a great way to put it, yeah. And then the Air Force being, the story also unveils how on top of it the Air Force is. So they went and recruited this young kid and his father to become part of a secret program where we still don't know exactly what he did, but he was used for this ability. And the service code was space intelligence communications. And it's a wild story. There's a lot more to it. I could talk to you about it for like four hours, but it's one of the most mind blowing stories ever. This specific person is extremely high ranking. Like his resume reads like a movie character.

2:01:36It's like, it's bonkers. He's like, you know, at one point he was running like, I don't remember the exact title, but essentially he was like running counterterrorism for North America. It's like a really high level dude. And he ended up. He's getting, because of his stature in the intelligence community, he ended up getting help from people in the Department of Defense to piece together this hidden past he has. and he actually is in the process of getting approved for anonymous health injury status from the Secretary of Defense. So this program that he was involved in as a child, does he have any recollection?

2:02:16No recollection. His wife was like a gumshoe detective about it. She starts calling. They see in the files there was records of days of school he missed, excused absences, for huge periods of time. I don't remember exactly whether it was weeks or months, but it was huge periods of time. So his wife calls the school and starts digging and asks, what was your policy back then? Would someone have had to repeat a grade if they missed this much time? And they said, absolutely. Unless you had a really good reason or some sort of serious medical excuse, you would have been held back. He was never held back.

2:02:52He has no memory of missing all these days of school. His friends that he grew up with don't remember it. But there's all this documentation. His friends don't remember him not being in school. No. That seems weird. They inquired. Yeah, totally weird. Totally weird. Totally weird.

2:03:07So has he undergone hypnotic regression? He hasn't done that. He's been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues, like very serious, like almost dying multiple times from a lot of these – the correct word, by the way, is parasites. I think I said amoebas. Parasites. He had parasites in his body that almost killed him multiple times. What kind of parasites? There were seven different parasites that he and his doctor said – his doctor told him would have killed him within a month. I don't remember the exact names. I wouldn't pretend to be a medical scientist or anything like that. Does he have any suspicions as to how he acquired these parasites?

2:03:44Yeah, he thinks that whatever program he was involved with did bizarre experiments. That's what he thinks. And he thinks that he was supposed to not remember any of this. And when the parasite issues caused brain surgery, the memories came back. yeah and he ended up there's a lot more to the story after he after he started socializing what he was experiencing um there were multiple attempts on his life that have been documented and investigated by real intelligence agencies he's like a serious dude and he's he's doing his tell-all memoir um it's a it's a really great book it's almost done and simon schuster's going to publish it next year.

2:04:25So there's multiple attempts on his life because of which, does he have an understanding? Like, was he threatened? He thinks it's because what he was involved with was supposed to stay in the past. He wasn't supposed to remember it. When he was a child? Yeah. And so they want to kill him? Wouldn't that make it even more suspicious? Well, depends on how you're, yeah. No, probably not. Probably not because they could just get away with it. Yeah. What kind of attempts on his life? Directed energy weapons. What? Yeah. Yeah. Like how? The guy was having the actual symptoms of a directed energy weapon attack.

2:05:00And he knew what those circumstances were from his career. He knew these were symptoms of that. And a proper investigation was done by real authorities. And they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows. Etching in the windows? If a directed energy weapon goes through glass, it causes etching in the windows. So they were literally physically targeting him with something from a drone, from space? Who knows? I mean, these are like the list of questions that this story— So the idea is like, let's just give this guy cancer or just nuke him and take him out. That's what it seems, yeah. Because he's talking too much about this program.

2:05:37That's what it seems. And then if it comes out, we're fucked. Yeah, that's what it seems. Because probably what they did is highly illegal, especially if they did it to a child. Well, I don't think you can legally enlist in the military when you're— you know also 13 he probably wasn't the only one yeah yeah and so if they do have some sort of an ability to erase memory that's what it would seem which also lines up with you know i talked to um one of the stories i left out of the film i talked to the base commander from rendlesham the the u.s joint u.s uk base in the uk where there was a huge uap event in the 80s and the The base commander told me on the record on camera that the day after the event, an airplane landed.

2:06:21People from the CIA and Air Force Intelligence showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses. And the base commander was told to leave the room. He didn't know until years later that all those servicemen that experienced this, they were all told to share the details. And they were given a drug. I think it was called. Is this correct? Sodium pentheol. Is that how you say it? Pentethol? That's the truth serum, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were given that to share what they experienced. And then they were all asked if they had ever been hypnotized. And someone was there who hypnotized them.

2:06:58As crazy as that sounds.

2:07:03Wow. This is the base commander telling me this on camera to my face. He also said they took away something in crates the next day on this airplane. and he never got clarity on what it was. And the third thing that he revealed that I don't think anyone's ever talked about with Randlesham is he revealed that the day after the event, he went and talked to the people in the communications room, you know, the old school, like, wires in the wall and stuff. And the head of the communications on the base told him that the entire night of the event, while he was out in the woods dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown.

2:07:38All lines were shut down except the direct line between the base and the White House. which it's called I believe I don't want to mess this up but I believe it's called Flash Override which is only used for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war so like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct line between the base and the president whoa yeah so one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time hardest thing about making this movie man was my director's cut was like four hours and I had to get this down to something that was like consumable did you ever think about making it Like a Netflix thing or multi-piece?

2:08:13I did. I did think about it. What about a director's cut? Would you ever do that? I'll probably, I'll think about doing that. Or maybe let's do a sequel. Maybe let's do a follow-up and put some of the stuff that is a bridge too far into the next thing once the table's been set. That sounds good. This was the question I was going to get to with that. You've worked on legitimate films. Yeah. Not that this isn't legitimate, but you've worked on some big blockbuster Hollywood films. Yeah, man. Ready Player One. Ready Player One. Amazing film. I love that movie. Thank you. Um, are you locked into this kind of shit now?

2:08:41Because here's the problem that happens when people start going down this rabbit hole. It kind of consumes them. Look, it's definitely, it's definitely been a consuming endeavor, this movie. I mean, this thing has consumed my life for four years. And I had to, you know, it's a whole nother conversation, but I had to make this movie in secrecy. Because at the, at the offset, when I started getting real intelligence officials to lean in, they told me to my face. They were like, you, it's not in your best interest to promote the fact you're doing this. Don't announce people doing it. Don't let the world know about it until you put a trailer out.

2:09:09There's going to be people who are going to try to cause problems for you. So I had to make this in secrecy. I ended up doing posts out of my house. Really? My fiance is a saint. Allie Feinstein is a saint for putting up with that. Did you have a crew at your house doing all the posts? Yeah, man. Wow. So you had to do it on the sneak? All-consuming. Wow. And yes, this topic is a rabbit hole you become consumed with. Look, I'm still going to do movies and TV shows that have nothing to do with UAP. for sure and i'm developing some and i and i and i and i think i'll probably make some next year but um at the same time i want to do more in this space and these adjacent spaces like i'm doing like i mentioned jay stratton's book i'm working really hard on i'm also going to develop a series based on jay stratton's life which is this remarkable 16-year rabbit hole of investigating non-human intelligent life and uap for the u.s government um i'm working with some other people that are in my film on their life stories.

2:10:03And then the book I just told you about, that crazy remote viewing story. Yeah. I'm developing a movie about that. Oh, like a fiction, like a dramatization? Yeah. Picture the vibe of The Insider, the Russell Crowe Al Pacino movie. But with that story. Like that kind of vibe. Who do you want to play that guy? Do you have someone in mind? I have a few people in mind. Don't want to say too soon. There's a few people in mind. What about Russell Crowe? Russell Crowe would be amazing for it. And he's really into the topic. Oh, yeah. He would love it. And he's only interested in doing interesting things now.

2:10:37Yeah. You know? Yeah. He's got all the money in the world. Yeah. He'd be amazing for it. There's a lot of good ideas for that one. But I do want to still do, you know, stuff outside this topic for sure. I'm really fascinated with the remote viewing topic. I think I have a desire to do, in the same way that the Age of Disclosure is the definitive doc on what we now know that can be lawfully disclosed about UAP and non-hematological life, I really want to try to endeavor to do that version of the remote viewing story. That would be amazing. Like the super credible, non-sensational. I mean, it's got the coolest setup.

2:11:12Here's the setup for this thing. So Hal Pudoff's working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-'70s. He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work. His CIA handler, who's his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes into his office, knocks on the door and says, we've got a problem we need your help with. He says, what is it? He says, our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they're 10 years into where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia and they've trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases. and our most secure facilities, and they're getting actionable intel.

2:11:53Hal's, of course, like, holy shit. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard, right? And the CIA guy says, yes, you've got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD. You've got X amount of time to catch up on their 10-year program. We've got to beat them. He then has to figure out how to go about finding people who have these abilities because it's not like Russia where you just go round up a bunch of people and say you're going to do this, right? So he comes up with a clever system to bake into Army basic training testing that can identify people with these skill sets. And then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program.

2:12:26You can help them sharpen their skill sets, and you can train them to become remote viewers. To me, that scene, it's like the Indiana Jones scene where the CIA comes in to Indiana Jones and says, you know, what do you know about the Ark of the Covenant? Oh, my God. And we've got this situation we need your help with, you know? It's wild, man. It's like the craziest setup of all time. And it's fascinating. And then the fact that they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on. Like the CIA was running missions based on his intel. One day when I shot, I did so many interviews with Hal.

2:12:58But one day when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours. And I was like, all right, Hal, let's talk about Stargate. And I grabbed like three hours of the entire Stargate story. And it's fucking mind-blowing. and all the specific like little stories of action that were taken based on their intel. It is so wild and so compelling. And then when Stargate, at the time Stargate was a deeply hidden program, extremely secret, highly classified. There was some leak I think that happened in the 90s where people heard about it. And then essentially the government said, oh, it's not real.

2:13:33It didn't work. It was this thing we tried, you know. And all they did is they just moved it to another agency. as far as i've had so many people tell me of their awareness of active remote viewing programs wow yeah have you tried to do it i have not tried to do it why not but i did what i did try was someone remote viewing me in a specific place where i was and they sent me a picture that they sketched out that gave me fucking chills because they described exactly where i was standing when I was talking to them. And I don't think they had cameras in my house, which is the obvious question, right?

2:14:11Pretty wild. And there's other stories that I've heard from intelligence officials that I've gotten close with because of the UAP topic. People who became aware of the remote viewing situation and would tell me these just like little ancient old stories. Like there was a, here's like a specific, there was a pen drive, like a little drive with some data on it that had some UAP data on it that an intelligence official literally dropped while hiking out of their pocket. It was in their pocket. And they dropped it. And they used a remote viewer to help them find it. Told them exactly where it was.

2:14:45They went and found it. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. But then you go and you listen to this clip of Jimmy Carter talking about how remote viewers were used to find this down airplane. And you're like, this guy was president of the United States. I definitely found a transcript in an article, but I think this is audio and I haven't been able to check it yet. There is a documentary. I tried to find the documentary. There's a documentary called Third Eye Spy that has it as the opening scene. They described it differently than you. An inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is that one time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa.

2:15:20We needed very much to find out where that plane had crashed. And we were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium. And he contacted her, and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts. and the next time one of our space satellites went over that area we located the plane where she said it was by the way that's not even the one I was thinking of he says it about a different thing about a plane with that I think was Russia and he specifically says we went to the remote viewing program for the one of the best room of yours and they found it but that's crazy that's a sitting president right okay Jimmy Carter talking about a psychic being used to yeah it's do you think that that is an aspect of human consciousness that we used to be able to do I do and that we've lost it somehow yeah yeah I think there's just things we've evolved out of and things we've evolved into and I think that that's you know um is that what they think as well yeah yeah someone someone someone very involved in in that topic for the government now told me the analogy they would make is it's like if if you saw a basketball on the ground anybody can pick the basketball up if there's a hoop there they can throw it at it right right if you sat back and watched a line of 100 people do it someone looked like clowns someone someone be like oh this guy has signed a potential and then you know one out of every however many like that was whatever be a michael jordan who's just like boom swish this guy's a fucking natural right he's got this instinct so everyone can do it everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop and some people have a natural instinct to do it better and that's what they were trying to identify and that's what they do try to identify and the weird one is that people who have had encounters yeah so that's that to me is like like it breaks through some barrier that you have in your consciousness when they communicate with you all of a sudden now you have this wall that has been downed that allows you to have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness or somehow heightens it you know yeah it's the biological effects are real so we don't you know we know about the bad ones like cancer but maybe one of the other ones is it heightens this ability somehow.

2:17:47Have you ever taken any time into consideration of the possibility that human beings were a product of genetic engineering? I mean, it's kind of impossible to go out in this rabbit hole and not have the thought of, are we just all a big, it's just a big experiment? Right. You know, and one day the experiment will end. Or not even just an experiment, but an aiding in a process. Like they recognize a process where there's bipedal hominids of various intelligence and they accentuate that. Yeah. And multiple different, probably multiple different attempts. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely thought about it.

2:18:24And it would explain a lot. There's all these missing gaps in our history. Well, that's also the weirdness of the Book of Enoch. Yeah. The Book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come down from the sky and mate with women. Yeah. Well, if you told that story for a thousand years and the real story was they came down, they got a hold of human babies and human mothers and introduced genetics that were alien into these children, that would be like they mated with women. Yeah. It would be kind of the same thing. Yeah. And created – well, they talk about the Nephilim giants who destroyed everything, but that's kind of us.

2:19:06Well, the other thing that makes me think of is a number of the people who have seen crafts, and it's Jay Stratton and Llewell Zondo say it in the film, that the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it. Some kind of ancient writing. And they actually, I didn't put it in the film, but they talked about how when they learned that to be a fact, they spent a ton of time researching ancient texts and trying to find a match. And they couldn't find it. And the closest thing they could find was some old biblical text. But whose hieroglyphics were these? What was that from? It's wild, man. How much would you give to see one?

2:19:49Please, I'll stop making documentaries. I won't talk to nobody. Just show me. Just take me into the hangar and show me this fucking thing. That's what Spielberg says. All these years, the guy made Close Encounters. He made E.T., War of the Worlds, TV shows. about it and never seen one. And, you know. Have you had anything that you've ever seen that you thought was weird? Yeah, yeah, I have. Actually, out in Ojai. Out in Ojai. My fiance and I were laying on a blanket while I was making this movie, looking at stars, and saw what looked like a satellite. At first I thought it was going slow, and then this thing just fucking rocketed off.

2:20:33Way up there. All it looked like was a star. But it was not a start. It was not a satellite because it moved super fast and just darted across the sky. Out of nowhere. Yeah, right above the Topa Topa Mountains in Ojai. And then I actually, the next day, we said to the staff, we were on those little golf carts getting drove across this hotel property, and we told them we saw. And the guy goes, yeah, not going to lie. We see that stuff a lot out here. I was like, wow. Fascinating. Yeah. But that's the only thing I ever saw. Other stuff where I'm witnessing firsthand the craziness of this cover-up, one of the interview subjects, I had at my house in Los Angeles prepping for an interview.

2:21:09We're in the middle of my living room. I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles. And what happened is not normal. Heard a very loud helicopter, ran outside, had my phone on me, look up, and there's a black helicopter right above my house. And the guy comes out of the house and looks up, and then without missing a beat, I always remember this, he's like, yeah, that'll happen. I'm like, what? What the hell did I just get into? So they're essentially letting you know that they know? Yeah, there's been a bunch of moments like that. Like, yeah. Letting you know. That's the message. I immediately asked people on the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Services Committee about that, if I should be worried.

2:21:50They were basically like, they're just letting you know that they're aware of what you're doing. It's them sending a message. They're watching you. Try not to cross any lines. They're like, that happens to everybody on the Intelligence Committee. I would imagine that those people, though, kind of want you to succeed. In a weird way, I think they want you to succeed in a way where you're not crossing lines. And look, I went to great lengths. No one says anything classified on camera for me. There's none of that. I don't want any part of that, right? Right. They only share what they lawfully can.

2:22:18And I think that, you know, I assumed after that that every phone call and every email was being observed. Oh, yeah. And not only did I assume that, but I was told to assume that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, the people on the – so there's a guy I'll give him a shout out, John Estrich, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He was the senior staffer for Rubio. He was the guy who really led the charge on looking into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He was extremely supportive to me behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio and rounds.

2:22:57Extremely helpful. he often had that same kind of activity at his house every time he'd have an important meeting yeah yeah and uh oh god yeah that'll fucking put some holes in your sails yeah you know like slow down but at the same time maybe i need to go back to ready player two like this gonna go develop an ocean's 11 type movie yeah i'm not interested in fucking helicopters being over my house. No, there's been, look, there's a lot of people, I don't want to go too into it, but as you can imagine, there's a lot of people that wish this movie didn't exist. I'm sure, yeah. That wish I never made it.

2:23:38Of course. That tried to prevent it from getting released and went out of their way to cause problems. There's a lot of people that fit that description. And I became aware of a lot of them. I became aware of a lot of those concerns. And I just kind of like, I just kind of put blinders on and had tunnel vision. I was like, all right, I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not going to do anything that's bad for the United States. I think it's good for the United States. I really do. I think that film is good for just human beings overall. It's really important, man, and I'm glad you did it. It was really excellent.

2:24:11Thank you. I'm glad I got to see it at South by Southwest, and I was like, man, this has got to get distributed. How does this get out there? Yeah. Despite South by, we did two screenings, 1 ,100 seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines around the block. The trailer I put out in January quickly got like 20 million views. Despite that, all the major distributors and major streamers, they watched it. They loved it. They said all these great things. But then they didn't end up moving forward. And, you know, I don't think it's naive to think that other parties might have discouraged people.

2:24:48Yes, I would imagine that. How can people watch it? So on Friday the 21st. Which is tomorrow. Which is tomorrow or today depending on when this drops. It'll drop today. So it's today for people listening and watching. Today, February 21st. Jesus, February. Today, November 21st. They've got an amoeba in your brain, bro. Today, November 21st. Worldwide on Prime Video. You can rent it. You can buy it. I made subtitles for every single major language. it's available in every single country around the world where prime video is available and you can also see it in the movie theater in new york los angeles and dc and i really encourage everyone in the world to watch this thing and make it a conversation with their friends and family i think it's the most interesting conversation you can have around thanksgiving dinner next week you know it is really good ben and you should be very proud of it and i hope it gets distributed even wide wider after the success of the amazon prime thing because i think it's going to take off thank Thank you.

2:25:45Yeah, I hope that's the case. And then, yeah, I do think there'll be a follow-up. Do have follow-up, baby. Come back. And definitely if you do a remote viewing one, too. I want to hear about more. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Thank you very much for being here, man. It was awesome. Thank you for having me. And your documentary is really, really excellent. Thank you, bro. I appreciate it. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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