#2451 - Cheryl Hines

27:00Yeah. You know, very few people get to be an actor in a movie. Yeah. And you're spazzing out because you didn't get enough sleep. Yeah. And meanwhile, the crew really didn't get enough sleep. They didn't get enough sleep either. They're working two hours before you and two hours after. But if they spaz out, they'll get fired. Yeah, immediately. Yeah, and that's the difference. Like, it's not an equality thing. So these people, they're aware they're like royalty walking around this film set. You know, it's kind of odd. Well, it is odd. And at the same time, it's a very unique experience, right, because this person has to be on camera.

27:37And every inch of their face is, you know, going to be six feet tall in a movie theater. And so everybody is just making sure that person is doing OK and they look OK and they feel OK. Because if they don't, then they don't you don't have anything. You don't have anything to shoot. So everybody is just like, yeah, are you OK? Are you feeling OK? Are you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you need a piece of turkey? Well, the results of that, like psychologically over a prolonged period of time, people usually get really weird. Yeah, agree. That's their normal experience is everybody's treating them like, can I take care of your hair?

28:19Are you going to take care of your lips? It's true. Brush your shoulders off. It's true. It's kooky. It's kooky. And that's why, you know, the people that start early, especially that have success early. Oh, yeah. It's not. Not good. It's not good. But it's not a good way to kick off your life. It's like this is not normal. If you think this is normal, you're going to be real sad in a few years. And I don't think you can recover from a bad developmental period that way. That's hard. It's different. It's different than anything else. Like you could have a bad childhood and it will make you more resilient.

28:52But a bad childhood in front of the whole world and you've never had to really work and you've never had to really struggle and you've been famous since you were young. So your interactions with people from the time you were young is people loving you for your work, which is not good for kids. No, it's not. And the way you look. Right. That's a big part of it, which is hard. Yeah. It's not just your work. You know, it's like what we're talking about. You have to look good while you're doing it. That's part of the job. Especially as a woman. That's a big factor. But I always liken it to like concrete.

29:23Like if you make concrete incorrectly, so like if you decide to mix it but you don't add enough water or you don't – it's only you can add water later once it's solid. It's like that's what it is. It's going to be lumpy? It's just going to be sucky, weak-ass concrete that's going to break. Wait. When did you get – what was your first break? Was it news radio? Yeah. Well, I was on another show before news radio called Hardball. It was a sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I actually moved out to LA for. And if that show got canceled and if I didn't have a lease on an apartment, I would have went back to New York.

29:56I hated it. Why did you hate it? Well, I didn't like the whole scene. It felt – I was used to fight gyms, pool halls, and comedy clubs. Those are the people I was used to. They're the funniest, like most brash, blunt people. And everybody's cracking on everybody. And it's like – it's jolly. Those are jolly places for the most part. And then I went from there to this weird world of groupthink and seeing people read The Hollywood Reporter every day and get really upset. Yes. And I would keep telling them, like, that's the devil's rag. Like, why are you reading that? Like, don't read that. Right, because they're just mad that they didn't get the role or they didn't get the film or whatever.

30:42It is odd. But, yes. It's kooky. And it's also the groupthink thing. It's like I saw it, like, right away. Like if a film was really good, if everybody decided it was really good, you had to say it was really good. You couldn't say, I fucking hated that movie. Yeah. Like there was this Jack Nicholson movie where he played this asshole and I think it was Helen Hunt played. As good as a gift. Yes, that one. And I was like, Jesus Christ. Like why? The whole idea was that he was a fucked up dude because he was on some sort of a medication. That medication made him racist. Like it didn't make any sense.

31:15The whole thing was nuts. and I remember everybody's saying what an amazing movie I'm like god I felt bad for her like get the fuck out of that relationship find someone who's nice to you this is crazy yeah this is crazy like you know it didn't make any sense and I remember like arguing with people on a set about it and like and they were all like uh oh I thought it was an amazing film like they had to say it right it was Jack Nicholson right it was amazing movie it was like right that movie was fucking depressing man like that was all that poor lady had yeah this fucking asshole this old asshole was like it was like the movie precious i didn't see that yeah i heard that was it's just you're just watching it you're like well nothing else bad could happen and then it's another thing happens no it just gets worse and by the end of it you're just you're just feeling like why are we alive I don't like those kind of movies.

32:08I don't want to feel depressed anymore. Okay, so then you got... Then News Radio. News Radio. So I stayed in L.A. just because I had a lease. That was it. I'm not kidding. I was so ready to go. You are not going to break that lease. I was trying to say, I didn't have the money. I was like, okay, I have some money because I did the sitcom for six episodes. So I had some money. So I was like, how much money would it cost me to just fucking pay this lease off? A lot. And just jet. A thousand. And I was like, oh, I'll just stay here. And then I got another development deal. I got a development deal with NBC.

32:41And they had this – before I did the show, they said we have this show that we have a pilot for, but we're going to fire this one person on the pilot. And would you come in and read for it? Did you know who was being fired? Yeah. Well, it was actually a friend of mine. Did you know at the time? Well, he got replaced. Because it's hard to replace somebody. It's Ray Romano. Oh. He was a good friend of mine. He's a friend of mine. He's awesome. and I had worked with Ray like multiple times in New York but Ray got fired and then they replaced him with another guy who was in the pilot and then they decided to fire that guy so I was like okay well at least I'm not taking Ray's job yeah I'm taking but then Ray went out to do Everybody Loves Raymond which was like him getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him so then I go in and um they they let me watch the pilot it was already made and so I got to see it's Phil Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy Alexander and Maura Tierney and Andy Dick and Steven Root.

33:32I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. Like, I can be on this show? This show is amazing. So I did that. Then I did Fear Factor. How long was News Radio? Five years. Wow. Yeah. But it really wasn't popular. It was only popular on reruns. Really? Yeah, once it got into syndication. Because we moved around, like, over the course of five years, we moved nine times, I believe. When you were doing news radio, that's right, I don't know what years. It was 94 to 99. Okay. So I got Curb Your Enthusiasm in 99. So before that, I was working for Rob and Michelle Reiner as a personal assistant. And I was also doing catering at night sometimes just to make ends meet.

34:24and one of my jobs when and i never knew what the job would be you know they'd say show up here at whatever five o 'clock one of my jobs one time was news radio there was a little green room where you know um agents and people oh right and i was in charge of like making sure the food on the table looked good. That's hilarious. I just stood there for hours. I think Phil Hartman came in and was like, hey, I didn't know him at the time. I met him. And he said, oh, you know, who are you here to see? I said, oh, I'm just in charge of this table. But that was my big job for the night. My friend Joey Diaz, who is at that time, he had just recently gotten out of jail.

35:15he came to visit me on the set and he realized that the good food was all in the VIP green room he's like he got overweight for a while but back then he wasn't back then he was just like a big football player like a big scary looking Cuban guy and he was in there eating a shrimp cocktail and they were like who is the scary guy that's eating and is he supposed to be in here they all like freaked out because Joey went into like the super secret room I was wondering I wonder if he went in there when you were in there. Oh, can you imagine? If I was like, excuse me, sir, you can only have six shrimp.

35:50I have to watch the table. Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there. He was just my friend hanging out. He just went in there. He's like, this is where the good food is. And he went in there and started chowing down. They were all freaking out. It was very funny. It was very funny. But did you like L.A. any better when you were doing news radio? I always wanted to leave. I always felt like it was radioactive I always felt like there's a part of this Look, the weather's great The comedy store was amazing It was great to have that place But there's too many people When there's that many people, I think you devalue people I don't think people are worthwhile to I think people are way better off living in a small town Or a small city I think it's healthier I just think When people become When you get on the highway and you see millions of people Like, fuck and you see like the 405 at like 4 p.m.

36:42It's kooky. And it's like 10 lanes just bumper to bumper in both directions. And everybody thinks that everybody else is annoying because you're in your way. Oh, you mean on the road. Yeah. People that get in front of you. Like you're not going anywhere and someone decides to get in front of you. Like who's this fucking guy? It's true. Everybody gets crazy. It is true. Not healthy. No. I felt like that wasn't healthy and I really hated the whole mentality behind the groupthink that was a part of Hollywood because everybody's trying to get cast in something. In order to get cast in something, you have to ingratiate yourself with the producers and the casting directors.

37:19Everybody has to like you. So you have to have the same opinions as they do. And if you don't, you have to fake it. And I was like, this is gross. This is gross. The way they behave is gross. The casting people would treat you as gross. I didn't like it at all. What, you mean just going in and auditioning? No, it was hard. Well, there was a lot of it where there was this arrogance. It's like they're giving you this chance, so they're really arrogant. I was like, hey, I don't even care about this. That's why you got the part. Probably got some of the things. That's why I got Fear Factor because I was the only one who made fun of it.

37:53And did you – you never had to eat the spiders? I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate some spiders. Yeah, I ate an Iraqi cave spider. I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. I ate a tomato hornworm. I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate a bunch of stuff because I ate it just to show the people that you could eat it. Ew. Did you ever throw up after? No. I only threw up once at home. You, like, waited until you got home? Vila was really good at editing. They did a great job. And there was this girl that was – she had it. You sound like Bobby. Bobby has never thrown up. It's just that he doesn't – so he will eat anything and do anything.

38:34Well, I've definitely thrown up. but this time it was this lady was eating worms and she had to swallow the worms and she couldn't so she spit them up into the glass and then she had she could keep going if she could re-drink what was in the glass that she already spit up and so she did it i went ran into the kitchen and threw up in the sink and i was like how and i kept thinking how odd like what a great job they did it with like the editing and the music that it got me so wrapped up in it even though i was at home i was like five feet away from that lady while she was doing that i didn't throw up it didn't bother you it bothered me but i was trying to help her i was trying to get her talk her through it that's why you were so good on it because you were never making fun of people you were definitely made fun of people well but but not but not in a you're so crazy to be on this show and why are you crying you're the one that wanted to come on you were you were very I wanted to help them.

39:31Yeah, yeah. I wanted to help them at the very least do their best And there was a lot of it that I said look I know this sounds crazy But if you just force yourself to chew this and swallow it you could do it You got to just take your mind out of this place. It's not that bad And sometimes I would eat things just to show them Ew. Like I ate a roach just to show my girl. I'll eat this if you do. No I want you to eat this roach. It's not that big a deal. Ew. Did you chew it? Yeah, you have to. You can't swallow it. It'll be alive in your stomach. Do you remember what it tasted like? Not much. Yeah.

39:59Ew. They don't. Yeah, I know. But it's in your head. Was it crunchy? Sure. Real crunchy. Yeah! But the actual taste itself was not bad. I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't like I looked forward to roaches. And what about rats? Did you do a lot of rat work? We did work with rats where people had to like lie in a thing in a coffin. And they covered them with rats and the rats would be nibble on them. Uh-uh. Yeah, that's not good. Mm-mm. But they were pet rats. I mean, they were fed a healthy diet. Pet rats? They were. They were like raised rats. They weren't like dangerous street rats that have been eating each other.

40:32Did anything – I mean you probably can't talk about it, but did anything ever go horribly wrong? Horribly wrong? Really? No. We got lucky though. It's just luck. I really believe that because we made them ride bulls once. Yeah. You can't control a bull. I told the people, don't do it. When all the contestants – I said, I wouldn't do this. I'll tell you right now. I don't think you should do it because it's not worth it. I go, the kind of catastrophic injury that you get from a bull stomping on your face, it's like, you don't come back from that. Yeah. Okay, you have to understand, there's not a 0 % possibility that this bull will stomp you or kick you while you're in the air being launched off its body and get kicked in the face.

41:11Like, that's possible. Don't do it. I wouldn't do it. Some people would back out, right? They all did it. They all did it. They all did it. I think. I'm pretty sure. And then they got thrown from the bull. How do you, I mean, this is - They got, they flew. This one lady weighed like 98 pounds, and she got bucked, and she went flying and landed right on her back and was like knocked out. Yeah, it was horrible. I would have never done that. I mean, and look, I've had bull riders on the podcast before. I've talked to multiple. We had bull riders on Fear Factor. Doesn't it? You might know. Is that you?

41:44Yeah. Did you see it? What a cute ringtone. Hey, put him on speakerphone. Seriously? Yeah, why not? Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with Joe. We're on the podcast. You're on the podcast, so don't swear. Hello? Can you hear me, honey? We're talking to Joe right now. You're live. Well, thanks. Hey, Joe, I'm looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you, too. You probably shouldn't have told people that, because then they'll start attacking you. Is there anything you need to tell me? I was just going to ask you to be nice to my wife. Why didn't you call me?

42:26I'm in tears over here, honey. It's really, it's going horribly.

42:32All right, well, bring me back some of that alpha. Alpha brain. Yeah, will do. Okay, baby. I love you. Take care. I love you. Bye, Bobby. Love you, too. That's hilarious. What was the, what were you showing me? That Mexican OT did bull stuff. No! Mexican OT did it! No! He got fucked up. No! I mean, he got up and ran away. No! Oh, my God. This is a guest that was on my podcast. He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper. Oh, my goodness, dude. Yeah, the bull got him good. Oh, my goodness, dude. That's so terrible. Crazy. Oh, my goodness, dude. Don't do that no more. I mean, can I ask a question to the men?

43:14I mean, do you wear special equipment down there? Yes. You do? I assume they do. They might not while they're doing that because I saw one guy get a horn right up his butt. Yeah, but there's no special equipment that's going to protect you there. But what about your testicles? Yeah. You should wear a cup for sure. You should wear something. Yeah. Yeah. Because that doesn't seem like that's healthy. Dope. Definitely not healthy. I don't think there's anything healthy about it, right? No. Definitely not healthy. I mean, it's just like a lot of pressure on your balls. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever done it?

43:45What? Bull riding? Yeah. No. No, I told you I would never do that. I know. I thought you were just telling the other people not to do it. No, no. I would. No, no, no, no. I have a healthy respect for animals. Yeah. Especially big ones. I think people get super delusional. We also get super delusional when we compare size. Like if you say, oh, a monkey's smaller than me. That thing will fucking kill you. I know. Don't get crazy. It'll pick your eyes out, right? Oh, they'll rip your face apart. Yeah. There's a crazy video of this guy in India who's sitting down and he lets this monkey like sit on his lap.

44:19And he's like being all calm with the monkey. And then the monkey just decides to tear a giant chunk off his scalp. And the way it does it, it just bites his head and just yanks like a football size piece of meat off this guy's head. And there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it when it starts happening. You don't know how strong they are. Yeah. Imagine being so strong you could just rip someone's skin clean off their head. And this is like a little thing, a little 30-pound monkey. That looks adorable. Yeah. And he thought he was being cute. It's like, I'm going to be peaceful. I won't play it.

44:50I don't know if she wants to. Oh, yeah. No, I can't watch it. You want to watch it? No, I don't. You can watch it. Yeah, I'll look away. So he lets this thing sit on his lap, and then it just decides to bite his head. Look at it real quick. Oh, my gosh. He's missing a giant chunk off his head. Oh, my God. Yeah. So he's scarred for life. You know, it was a dumb decision. You let that thing dominate you. He didn't understand what he was doing. No. You let that thing get on top of him. And the thing just decided for no reason. He just bite his head. Now, we used to have a pet emu. Ooh. That's the dumbest birds, by the way.

45:26They are so dumb. Their heads are tiny, so their brain must be, and the rest of them is big. So you just had this emu, like, coming at you every day. Wow. It wasn't relaxing. I got to the point where I had to walk outside with a shovel. Just to protect yourself from the evil? That's crazy. I have a friend who has ostriches. Are they nicer? I wonder if they're nicer. He says the same thing. He hates them. He has this big ranch in Texas and he got ostriches. He's like, dude, I hate these things. Look at that face. No, it's terrible. They're mean. They tried to bite us on Fear Factor, too. We had an episode where they had to drink a whole ostrich egg.

46:07Ew. A raw ostrich egg. Ew. But we had ostriches in the background. They started just fucking with people, like biting their heads. Yeah. They'll peck you. Yeah, they'll peck you. You know what else is dumb? This lady was a falconer. That's what they're called, right? Falconer. Falconer. When they trained falcons. Yeah, that's Bobby. Bobby wrote the book. Yes. Oh. So this lady, she had a golden eagle. She had a couple of... Falcons are the most fascinating. But then she had an owl. And she's like, owl is, first of all, one misconception is that owls are smart. She goes, they are so dumb. They're the dumbest birds next to emos.

46:43Only emos are dumber than owls. I didn't know that. I was like, really? That's crazy. Why? Like, why do we have this, you know. Idea that they're wise. Give a who. Don't pollute. Remember? That they're very wise. Yeah. Why do we think they're wise? I mean, he's counting how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. Remember? Yes. But he could never get to it. So maybe we should have learned. Yeah. This guy's full of shit. Yeah, he's full of shit. He's a fake professor. We've had some owls in our day with Bobby. Oh, pets? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Is this Bobby? No. No, this is someone.

47:16I saw this going around the internet. What is this? Is that his falcon? You can't see where it is. Whoa. That looks like an eagle. He sees it from way up there. Is that an eagle or a hawk? What does it say? It doesn't say. I don't know if it said specifically. Again, it's another Facebook link. They had a golden eagle. The golden eagle is amazing. But it kept trying to land. We had a little campfire outside. It kept trying to land on the fire. That's weird. Why is this bird so stupid? That looks like a hawk. Yeah, it looks like a hawk. Yeah. So this lady, she had hawks and falcons. And she's like, the problem with hawks is as soon as you let them loose, they immediately find something to kill.

47:53She's like, everything that's near them, they kill. She goes like, this sucker kills birds. He kills squirrels. like you let the owl go the owl just like goes over there he'll come back to you the eagle the same thing not the hawks the hawks like it's time to kill no that's what they do it's weird like i said bobby loves hawks and falcons and he will i went hawking with him once how do you do that um well you you have these they do it in twos like these two birds and are they his birds Yes. So he's trained these birds? He's trained them and the other. There he is. That's kind of a crazy thing to be good at.

48:36It's very crazy. But look, even since he was young. But so it's pretty fascinating because you have to do it when, after the leaves have fallen from the trees. And there are two birds that hunt together. And they go up into the trees. And then it's really beautiful at first for me. Until the carnage. so they start they start going from tree to tree and they're communicating with each other and they'll see uh you know bunny cute sweet you see where this is going and they see a bunny down there and they go and they go and one of them does something and then the other one swoops down and grabs it and they just tear it apart the next thing you know it's just you know bunny guts yeah Yeah.

49:22So it's cute until then, but it's pretty fascinating to watch them do it. There was some kind of a war in my backyard that was going on for a while, and I don't know what animal was doing it, but I found a bunch of beheaded hawks. Wow. Yeah. I don't know what bird was killing the hawks, but they'll kill the hawk and rip its head off. Ask Bobby. He will know. Oh, I bet. He will know. I assume it was something bigger, right? But yeah, they're big already. It's hard to imagine what - An owl. Owls eat hawks. I'm really. But are they fast enough to get an owl as fast? Owls are silent. And the thing about owls is there's a really interesting video that you could find where they take a bunch of different birds and they have them fly from point A to point B.

50:08And then they have a sound meter. And the sound registers the decibels of their flight. What they made. Owls, it's almost completely silent. They're so silent. They're so sneaky. So there's a great black and white video of this owl. It's night vision, the camera. And you see this owl swooping up on a hawk's nest and snatches a hawk right out of the nest. Oh, my God. I wonder. But it comes out of nowhere. That's weird. You just see eyes in the distance. Yeah, it's really weird. I don't think I've ever seen an owl in flight, but not that I was looking. In real life, you mean? Yeah. Oh, I did. Is it only at night?

50:46Yes. I've only seen them fly at night. But where I live, one time I was driving home and there was this owl that was right on the side of the road. And as I was driving, he took off with a rabbit in his talons and then just decided he didn't want to carry this rabbit anymore and let it go. Like maybe it was dangerous because the rabbit was kind of big. And then the rabbit dropped in the middle of the road. So I pulled the car over and I got out and I looked at this like gutted rabbit and this owl who had just jacked this rabbit and then just decided. That's so weird that he, I'm assuming it was an aggressive male owl.

51:20It might have been a female protecting its young or giving its young food. A lot of them was that. I mean, I wonder if the rabbit was diseased or something. No, it was food. But that's. The rabbits can't even hear it coming. That's the thing about owls. That's why they're such brilliant nocturnal hunters. See if you can find that video of the birds, the different sounds between. I mean, like there's a hawk, there's an eagle, and then the owl is just like. But they hoot, no? It's like nothing. It just swoops in and snatches them. They eat a lot of cats, too, by the way. Yeah. I didn't know that.

51:56Yeah, a friend of mine found there was an owl nest, and he found like six cat collars in the nest. Oh, I always just assumed it was coyotes. It is a lot of coyotes, but it's also owls. Owls kill a lot of people's cats. That is crazy. Yeah, and they can fly with your cat. That's what's crazy. So watch. To fly over a series of super-sensitive microphones. So that's a pigeon, super loud. Oh, jeez. Come on. The hawk.

52:33Pretty loud. Now watch the owl. It's Kenza's turn. Shh.

52:47Nothing. You don't hear anything. Isn't that crazy? You don't even hear the wings. And those are super sensitive microphones. Yeah. Wow. Now see if you can find the video of the owl snatching the hawk out of the nest. That's so crazy. I didn't know this. Yeah. Owls are super predators. Yeah. They see so well at night and they have those big heads. Yeah. Then their heads can turn. Crazy eyes. Yeah. Watch this. So see those dots in the distance? That's them. Watch this. Snatch. The other hawk barely knows what the hell happened. Oh, my God. Snatch. Yep. Just steals them right out of the nest. Owls are big, too.

53:26They seem to be work alone. They seem a little, like, lonesome. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't fly a flock of owls. But like the hawks, when they hunt, they hunt together, you know, and they're communicating with each other. They make so much noise. That's true. They got a clumsy approach with the owl sneaky. And how about the pigeons? They do not have a chance. So loud. What do they eat? That's a good question. That's a good question. Does birds eat? I know what eats pigeons, though. What? Rats in New York City. There's a crazy video of a rat in New York City grabbing a pigeon and attacking it and eating it.

54:03No. And dragging it away. You've never seen that? I like that you think that's what I'm looking at online. What are you looking at online? My fashion tips? It's not that. If you want to live in a big city, that's the nature that you get. You get rats and pigeons. There are a lot of rats in D.C. Rats kill pigeons all the time. Rats kill pigeons. Yeah, if they catch them slipping. They're close enough where they can grab them. It's disgusting. Oh, rats are disgusting. Have you ever watched that documentary on Netflix called Rats? No. Whoa. I would never. You should. No, God, no. It's a game changer.

54:41It's so nutty. No. When you find out that the biomass of rats in New York City is roughly equal to the biomass of people. Ew. Meaning the weight of all the people in New York City is roughly equal to the weight of all the rats in New York City. That's gross. But you lived in New York. Is that accurate? I think that's accurate. It might be the numbers. It might be the same number of people as there are rats, but I don't think so. But you didn't have a problem when you lived there? I didn't live there. I lived in New Rochelle, which was a suburb. That's nice. Westchester. Kind of quiet. I was a road comedian and I needed a parking spot.

55:16I couldn't afford to park in New York City. It was like it's too hard. Yeah. It was like whatever it was for a parking spot was like half my rent. I was like I can't afford that. Yeah. Also, I don't like it. I don't like being stacked on top of people like that. All my friends who live there, they're like, yeah, I don't even know my neighbors. I'm like, there's a guy right across six feet away from you. You don't even fucking know him. That's kind of crazy. No. There are always people upstairs. Everybody super suspicious of everybody. Banging around. Yeah. Moving furniture. Eh. Not interesting.

55:46Not your vibe. So here it is. For the big picture comparison, 8.3 million humans at 70 kilograms each are about 508 ,000 metric tons of human. So rats at roughly 0.102 % of human biomass in New York City, even though they're extremely visible. Yeah. Oh, so it's only like less than a percent? Mm-hmm. Wait a minute. Well, they're tiny. I mean, compared to. So the number of rats. Is the number of rats the same? Is that what I'm getting wrong? An estimated about 3 million rats in New York City? But there's like 10 million people. That's disgusting. But I don't think. 3 million rats. I don't think they really know.

56:27Yeah, how could they know? I think they're probably underestimating it because underneath the city is where all the rats live. There's no way they're doing an accurate count of all the rats. I feel like L.A. didn't seem to have a rat problem. This is what I screwed up on. It's actually ants with the biomass of ants on Earth. I think that's true. I think the biomass of ants on Earth is roughly equal to the biomass of people. The things that are going on inside your head are insane. That is a kooky number, though. It is a kooky number. One might find out that's wrong, too. I think it's right, though.

57:00Is that what it is? But I feel like L.A. didn't. The rats in New York City. Are aggressive and huge. Oh, okay. That's not true either. Is that right? What is that? Get rid of that little source thing. I can't. It's not showing. It's unblocking. Oh, there it goes. 20 kragillion? I've never seen that word. I'm either. 20 quadrillion individuals worldwide. That's the number of ants. Wow. I mean... So it's 20 % of human dry biomass. What does that mean? After you peed? and more than all the wild birds and mammals combined. That's crazy. There's more weight from ants than all the mammals and birds combined.

57:46Wow. That's crazy. That is crazy. That is crazy. I have them in my backyard and they're leaf cutter ants. No, they're cool. They're cute. They carry all those little tiny. It's weird. It's like, how do you guys know? How do you know to do this? And they work together. They work together. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they have these. Have you ever seen what the leafcutter ant colonies look like under the surface? No. So they take them and they, unfortunately, they do a genocide on the leafcutter ants for science. And they fill up their entire colony with cement. And so they show what the structure. You mean when they were studying them?

58:23Okay. Well, this is how they find out. You have to kill everybody and turn them into concrete. And so this enormous leafcutter ant colony that's underground, then they dig it up and only the cement is left. And it's bananas. It's so vast. They have fermentation tubes. So they have an area where they put leaves into to ferment and then they have a tunnel that goes up to the surface so it can get air. That's crazy. So this is it. They fill up. This is the leafcutter ant colony. Look at the ones on the outside going, oh, the fuck. My cousin's in there. They are freaking out. Yeah, they're freaking out.

59:01And so then they have to excavate and they dig out this area. And it is absolutely massive. Oh, so these are, that's the concrete that. Exactly. So the concrete that's left is what the colony actually looks like underground. It's enormous. It's like the size of a house. Like, look at that. It's so impressive. What do they have to do with these stupid fucking ads that you can't even get rid of that cover a quarter of your screen? But look, pause that real quick. Look at that. That is crazy. Bananas. Absolutely bananas. That a tiny little ant and all of his friends can make something like that. I like that they're all friends.

59:39I think that there are some that are like, I hate that asshole. Yeah, probably. He's so lazy. He's a lazy bitch. We're all working our asses off and he's just over there taking it easy. Well, there's some ants where the female will find the male and they cut his legs off, his arms and legs off, and then carry him to the colony so that he could breed. Find that. Which ant is that? Yeah, they find him and they cut his arms and legs off so he can't go anywhere. And he just does one thing. He drags him away. Wow. Yeah. You think he thinks it's an honor? I don't think he thinks. Right? How can he? I don't know.

1:00:19I think they're almost like little robots, little biological robots. It seems like they are working together and coming up with plans and landscapes. But the thing is, this is a universal thing. This is what's really weird. Like here we are in Texas, but there's probably leafcutter ants right now in Florida. There's probably leafcutter ants right now all over the world. And they're all doing a similar thing underground. But leaf cutter, so they're completely different than say red ants? Yeah. I mean there's a bunch of different kind of ants. But the thing that differentiates leaf cutter ants is that they go to trees.

1:00:54They chop off their leaves. They take these little pieces of it and then they carry it back into their leaf cutter ant colony. And then they have all these places where they store the leaves and the leaves ferment and they kind of rot. And then they have air pipes that go up to the surface. It's super, super complex. Wow. And it just makes you think, like, how do they know to make this chamber and then a passageway to the chamber? Right. And how do they all know? Right. All over the world. Right. It's very weird. Right. It's a very weird thing that they do. But I have them in my yard, and I just sit there and watch them.

1:01:29I can only find stuff about them amputating the limbs for, like, saving their lives, not breeding. No, it was a specific kind of ant. I typed it in four different times. All I could get was that queen ants will amputate their wings afterwards, but I didn't see anything about cutting off a male's limbs and dragging them from breeding. It's because they all do it to address wounds. I wish I could remember what it was. It was a specific kind of ant. I'm going to go to town on that. It's just a ruthless world of insects. We're lucky they're little, you know? Because they're smart. Well, you don't think they think.

1:02:06You think they've got some sort of activity? I think they have activity, but I think they're operating on a program. They don't have feelings. I don't think they have any feelings. No, I definitely don't think they have feelings. I mean, if a praying mantis was the size of a German shepherd, we'd have a real problem. Because they're vicious. 100%. You wouldn't be able to get away from them. Do you think they have feelings? I don't think so. I think they're the scariest life form to me. Because they're so strong for their size. They're way, way, way. I've seen praying mantis snatch hummingbirds off of a bird feeder and kill them.

1:02:51Are you serious? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They wait on a bird feeder. They sit there like this and they just wait. They don't move. They don't move. And the hummingbird doesn't recognize them. The hummingbird comes over, eats out of the bird feeder, and just snatches them. and the bird's way bigger than the mantis and the mantis can hold on to the hummingbird. Where do they take it? Do they take it from? Kill it and eat it right there. Really? Sure. But aren't they small? Exactly. That's why we're lucky that they're really small because if they were the size of like a dog, they would 100 % be able to kill you.

1:03:23Just like that monkey is like super strong. Well, if a mantis was the size of that monkey, the monkey would have no chance. That mantis would just snatch it and just start eating it. That's a good point. Because a monkey must look at a man and think, that guy is bigger than me, but I don't care I'm going for it. Yeah, well, I don't think they have any respect for people. I think their interactions with people are that people are soft and that they're scared of them. And so that's how they— What's the monkey going to do with the scalp? You know what I mean? See, look at that mantis. See him sitting there?

1:03:54Yeah. The hummingbird doesn't know what's going on. He's just motionless. And so as the hummingbird gets close, try to get a little water.

1:04:06Oh no And watch how it snatches it to it so fast Oh, no. What's it right there? Bang. Gotcha. Aw. Eee. Look at the size of the bird. I mean, the body mass of the bird has got to be a lot more than the mantis. And the mantis is just holding on to it definitively. Like, it has no chance. Oh, the guy knocked it loose. What a bitch. That is so crazy. Really crazy. It just gets it. So there's other ones where you see the mantis, like, hanging on and eating it. They're incredible little creatures. Is that what they mostly eat? It's hummingbirds? No, they eat all kinds of stuff. But this one is just sitting there eating a hummingbird.

1:04:48Ew. The other weird thing is the amount that they can eat. Yeah, that's why. It looks like a tiny twig. Exactly. How can it eat a hummingbird? There's a video. Well, there's one Instagram page that I follow that's just mantises eating a bunch of different bugs. Really? That's what you follow? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I follow a lot. Is it relaxing or it's just fascinating? It's fascinating. It just gets your mind off of politics. Just weird. Weird to watch this creature and it eats a roach that's bigger than it. And it eats the whole thing. This guy just gets this roach. Look at this size of that roach.

1:05:24He's just going to chew through that entire roach. And that sucker's still alive for the beginning. He just eats his head and then he stops being alive. And then he just goes right through them. Like, look at this. This is nuts. And then do you think it doesn't eat again for a long time? I'm like a snake. Probably. Probably doesn't have to eat. Ew. That's so gross. Just eat its legs. And it keeps going and it eats the entire thing. Like there's nothing left of that roach. And that roach is as big as him. Like where'd it go? How are you doing that? I don't know. You ever see a fat praying mantis?

1:05:56No. They don't exist. I hardly see them. Oh, but I haven't been looking. Look, there's the page. Yeah, you have a highlights reel on it. You have a highlights reel. That's hilarious. It's called cryptic mantis. It's just all of them eating. Is that what the name of it is? What is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cryptic, yeah, cryptic with a K, mantis. Mantis. And their eyeballs are crazy. Yeah, it's a weird animal. I mean, if that insect was big, it would be a real problem. So look, he's like dangling that roach in front of it and just snatches it. Ew. I mean, that's like you eating a poodle. It's crazy.

1:06:34It just eats the whole thing in one sitting. Just the whole thing. The whole poodle. The nose, the head, eyeballs, the tail, everything. It just eats everything. Ew. Yeah, but that exists in nature. I mean, we're playing a totally different game. You know, our game is we're soft and, you know. Yeah, look at that thing. Yeah. A Peruvian dragon mantis. Yeah, imagine that was like big. Imagine if that thing was like the size of a giraffe. It would be a giant problem. It just runs into a city and eats everybody. Sounds like a movie. Does. Wow. That's how actresses think. That sounds like a great movie.

1:07:13I could be the scientist. The mantis gets stuck in a tube with a guy's head. Yeah. Something like that. Dum, dum, dum. Like The Fly. Remember that Jeff Goldblum movie? Yeah, of course. That movie was great. Of course. And that was a remake of an earlier one. There was an earlier The Fly movie, which was a lot weirder. Really? Well, it was weird for the time because the guy had, like, a weird costume on. He, like, had a fly head on but, like, a person's body. But the fly was cool because you see Jeff Goldblum. Like, that's the original fly. Oh. So, like, one human hand, one fly hand. But the Goldblum one was great.

1:07:52No, I love Jeff Goldblum. So, this guy just had, like, a mask on. He's, like, a regular dude with a mask. I'm the fly. You know? But I got a hand. But the Goldblum one was cool because you see him start to slowly turn mad. Yes, and his mannerisms. He's got weird. A spike start poking out of his skin. He's like, what is this? He didn't realize that a fly had gotten in there with him and they matched DNA. Jeff Goldblum's great. Oh, he's great. He's, yeah. He's very intense and at the same time very likable. Yeah, fun, jolly. Tell me about you. Yeah. Tell me what makes Cheryl work. Well, him in Jurassic Park really helped make that movie.

1:08:39Like the rational scientist that was like, okay, what have you done? You know? Because you could do it. You never decided whether you should do it. Yeah. He's always thinking. Yeah. Not judging. Not freaking out. Well, definitely sort of judging. But it was just that, like, yeah, there should be a fucking scientist that says, what are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing? Are you sure you should be doing it? Yeah. These don't belong here. These are from a time where we weren't around. You shouldn't bring them here. We can't compete with them. If it wasn't for that big rock that hit the Yucatan, we probably would have never become people because they would have been around.

1:09:21I never saw Jurassic Park. What? What? How? How'd you avoid that movie? It's one of the greatest movies of all time. No, it didn't sound good to me. Like dinosaurs. It's so good. It's such a good movie. It's such a good movie, too, because it was like one of the first movies that used CGI, but they did it really well. Yeah. And the thing about CGI with dinosaurs is it's so different than CGI with like, do you remember I Am Legend? Mm-mm. The Will Smith movie? Never saw that one? No. Is it science fiction? Yes. I don't watch. No. It's a zombie movie, essentially. Yeah. Like a disease sweeps over the cover.

1:10:04But in that movie, there's CGI lions in New York City, and they look so vague. They look bad. Oh, really? Yeah, because you know why? And what was that? That was like 2010? Was it even? I feel like it was earlier than that. When was I Am Legend? 2007. Okay, but go ahead. You were going to say why. Because you know what a lion looks like. You don't really know what a dinosaur looks like. Ah, yeah, yeah. So your brain doesn't register that, oh, that looks fake. Right, right. Yeah, so when you see the T-Rex when he comes over the fence, and also the way they shot it, like Spielberg is a genius. Yeah.

1:10:40The way they shot it at night, and it's kind of like, you know, in the jungle, so it's like partially obscured. You ever seen the scene where the T-Rex emerges for the first time and the kids are in the car? Mm-mm. Oh, you need to see this. I have so many things to look up to. I have so many rabbit holes to go down. How have you not seen this movie? I don't know. The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies ever. Okay. I guess I'm going to have to watch it. I loved it because for me, it's a real potential possibility. I'm friends with the guys over at Colossal. Those are the guys that brought back the dire wolf.

1:11:16They have actual dire wolves now. What is a dire wolf? A dire wolf is an extinct breed of wolf. and I know there's geneticists out there that are freaking out. That's not a dire wolf. It's not. What they've done is just taken the characteristics of a dire wolf and recreated it. Are they small? No, they're very big. They're bigger than a regular wolf. And they're weird looking. They have a mane and they're all white. They're really cool looking. And they walk on all fours. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a dumb question. Of course. Now I'm thinking about your werewolf in London. Oh, he walks on all fours too.

1:11:50Does he? That's from American Werewolf in London. But he can't go. No. That's a dire wolf. Oh, wow. They're really pretty. So that's the colossal guys. Yeah. They're really interesting. It's really interesting because you see them. Wow. It's really pretty. And when I saw them, it was in the summertime. And they apparently, they were about six months old. And they're going to get a lot larger. Oh, wait. So they came back from extinction? Yeah. They brought them back from extinction through genetic engineering. That's crazy. They have dire wolf DNA. They have dire wolf DNA. They mixed it with gray wolf DNA.

1:12:22I don't know how they did it. They could tell me. I'll forget five minutes later. But whatever it is, that's a different thing that ever existed before since the dire wolves went extinct. Wow. Yeah. So my fear is that these assholes, not these guys, but that someone, some scientific asshole, will make a Jurassic Park. will say, hey, we found an island that we can buy that's 50 ,000 square acres or whatever it is, and we're going to take and put a few dinosaurs on this island and make it so the people can go visit it. That's possible. People could do that. Well, it sounds possible, but it doesn't sound worse than like AI things that can be done on your computer and to our brains.

1:13:13You're more afraid of AI than you are of dinosaurs. That's rational because AI is more likely. Yeah, because if somebody said, hey, you could go visit this island that has dinosaurs, at least I'd have a choice. And I'd be like, no thanks. But I will sometimes, if you're just talking about a poncho. A poncho? Yeah. Like a poncho, you know, like a little blanket that has a hole. Got it. It's a word that doesn't come up much. But when it came up, I was just talking to my friend about a poncho. And then all of a sudden on my phone, there were like lots of ads. Ads for ponchos. Yeah. So it's that to me.

1:13:53I wonder if I'm going to get some now. You are. Some poncho ads. You're going to get some poncho ads. I've never had a poncho ad. If I get one right now, I'll know. Oh, yeah. I know. Yeah. You are. We're all dialed in somehow. Well, that's for sure. So I would rather have – I would rather be running away from a – I would rather die from being squashed by a dinosaur than just go crazy from thoughts of things that have been put into my head from AI. Does that make sense? Sort of. I don't want to die either way. Right? I don't want to die by AI. Well, if you had to choose. I don't want to die by dinosaur.

1:14:35If you had to choose one or the other. I really don't think either one is preferable. I think the dinosaur is more unlikely. The AI one seems very possible. There's not a real good roadmap that I've seen where AI is not completely disruptive in every aspect of our life. And the only people that do provide that roadmap seem to be profiting off of AI. Yeah. You know, some people think it's going to increase productivity. Like Elon thinks it's going to increase productivity to the point where we'll have no one will have to work anymore. And you'll have what they call universal high income. That's what he's calling it.

1:15:15But then you have this real problem of what do people do with their time? Right. Like how do so many people really identify with whatever they do as a job? Right. Right. And it gives you a sense of purpose. Right. Most people need a sense of purpose to feel happy. They also like providing for themselves. People like the fact that you work all week. You come home. You get your paycheck. And now you can go to the restaurant. And it's all your money. You bought it. You worked hard. And now you bought whatever you bought. A poncho. You paid for it. A poncho. You paid for it with your labor. The most beautiful poncho in the world.

1:15:54People like being good at something. Yeah. If you're the guy that there's something going on. You need something fixed and you go to Henry. Like Henry loves the fact that Cheryl calls him up because she knows that he knows how to fix things. What do we do with Henry when Henry loses his – like we say, your job is useless. You're basically like a guy who owns Blockbuster Video. Well, is that like very, very wealthy people that are born into money that don't have to work, that don't have to? That's even worse, right? Because that's like very wealthy people that are born into money have never had to prove themselves.

1:16:30They've always been more special than everybody else. If everybody has universal high income, that won't be a unique thing. It'll be basically – so optimistically, I would say the optimistic take on it is if that was the case, the real positive aspect is you wouldn't have to work for your basic needs. And what you could decide to do instead is pursue something you're really interested in. Like maybe become an expert in something. Yeah. Or study a bunch of different languages all day. But will people? Some people will. Yeah. But I think that's always the case. That's true. Some people would take advantage of a situation.

1:17:07Like some people during COVID. Yeah. They said, okay, some people just became alcoholics and they lost everything. Some people said, I'm going to start a side business. I'm going to start an online business because an online business, they can't shut down during a pandemic. And a lot of people become very profitable because of that. It's like, why do we need to just work all day? If you're a laborer, is that really the only use of your time? Like if you're doing it for food, I get it. You're doing it for housing, I get it. It's a good job. It's a solid, honest way to make a living. But if you don't have to do that anymore and then you just get money from the government and from whatever income AI is generating, wouldn't you rather play soccer or go do this or whatever your thing is?

1:17:55Yeah. Painting, whatever your thing is. Right. You could find anything. You could find a thing that gives you meaning other than just your work. Right. Because if you're working in a factory and you're just putting the dial on the box, that's not fulfilling and you're not going anywhere and you're not doing anything. That stuff has only been around for a while. like a small amount of time, like being a worker in a factory or an office. How long has that even been around? The idea that we can't exist without that being around is crazy. Yeah. Because for thousands and thousands of years, there was no money.

1:18:27People just like hunted and fished and traded things and started raising animals. There's no money. You basically just try to stay alive by gathering food. So do you think that if nobody had to work that we could do without money altogether? That money could disappear and then – That's a scary thing because someone is going to have it. There's going to be – But then if there's no value to it. Yeah, but there's always going to be value. This is the scariest thing. From country to country or worldwide? Everything. The control of resources. Resources are always going to be valuable. It's always going to be valuable to have oil.

1:19:05If you have oil, you can do so many things. You could make gasoline. You could power things. You make plastics. Everything comes out of oil. Everything is petroleum-based. Even your medicine is petroleum-based. Yeah, but if nobody was paying you to make it. So everything's free. That's the idea? How's that possible? Because then no one would want to make a Ferrari. Because the only reason why you would make a Ferrari is because it's hard to get. So it costs a lot of money. Well, if AI is taking over and taking all of those jobs, and the idea is that nobody's going to have to work. So if nobody has to work, then the cars are still being made, right?

1:19:43Maybe. Maybe they decide how many cars get made and how many people can have a car. Wow. Yeah. Does everybody need a car? Like Oxford, England just established this new – they're doing this thing called 15-minute cities. We have an area where you're allowed to travel to. And if you decide to travel outside of that area, you get a certain amount of them per year. Wait, you get a certain amount of what? Travel passes to leave your area. That was a congestion zone. Okay. Whatever it is. I'm just saying. That's what it was. You call it whatever you want. But whatever it is, it's the government telling you you can't leave an area.

1:20:24And if you leave that area, it costs you money. So it costs you the equivalent of like$100 a day to leave this area. Wow. If you get over a certain number of them. It's similar to what they did in New York City. However, they stopped it in New York, remember? Yeah, well, it's crazy. That's why they stopped it because this is the beginning of a terrible trend. So what this is is the beginning of them telling you where you can go and how often you can go. And this is the government doing it. And the temporary congestion charge. Bullshit. They've been proposing stuff like this. It's bullshit. They've been proposing stuff.

1:20:58They want to control people. They want to be able to tell you where you can and can't go. The more they can put restrictions on you, the more they can pass laws that they can profit from. The more they can benefit from whatever control they have over you. The more they can tighten down on it. And England's a great place to do this because they've already gotten things passed through in England. Like England doesn't have jury trials anymore except for like murder and rape and a few other things. It's just one judge? It's a judge. It's one person deciding. All the people that are getting arrested for social media abuses.

1:21:28It's just one person deciding? No. It's different judges. It's wherever you get brought up, wherever you get arrested for. Right. But one judge. One judge, yes. Just deciding their fate. Right. Whether they like it or not. Without a doubt, they're going to go with whatever the government wants. And they've arrested 12 ,000 people over the last year for social media posts, just in England. I know. That's intense. So that's the place where they're, oh, it's a congestion zone. Fuck off. I asked Andrew about it last week. What we don't know because we're not there. people get bussed into that area already because it's already congested as fuck.

1:22:02I don't care. I don't care what's going on. That's Bangladesh, okay? That's New York City. That's a lot of places. That's L.A. You don't get to control whether or not people can leave an area. Period. It doesn't matter what you call it. But this was because they closed the road. I don't care. They closed the road temporarily and so they had to put up some... It's a terrible precedent. It's like what they did with COVID. They shut down two weeks to stop the spread. And what happened? It lasted a year and a half in L.A. Like it's not you don't give them that kind of control. You can't have ever the control to tell people whether they can or can't leave an area.

1:22:36Fuck off. That's crazy. Even their houses. Remember for a while. Like you weren't even you weren't even allowed to go outside. They said don't go outside. Well, how about that dipshit mayor who was saying usually snitches get stitches, but now they get rewards. Do you remember that? In L.A. they were telling you to turn your neighbors in. Oh, I don't remember it in L.A., but I remember it in other states. In L.A. The mayor of L.A. That's crazy. What was that kook's name? It was the mayor of L.A. He thought he was on the right side of everything until Black Lives Matter started protesting outside his house every day for like a month.

1:23:10Garcetti. Oh, Garcetti. That creep. That guy, he, find that thing, that snitches usually get stitches, but now they get rewards. Like, literally said that. That is so crazy. Snitches. Snitching on your neighbor for having too many people over. That is so crazy. The people were exactly five feet apart from each other. ...to let us know where those folks are. If you've observed recurring violations of the Safer at Home Order, please continue to let us know at coronavirus.lacity.org slash business violation. You know the old expression about snitches. Well, in this case, snitches get rewards. We want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe.

1:23:56It would be cool if that lady who was doing sign language was just faking it. Because sometimes nobody knows sign languages. And she's still going after he's done talking and she's just like, hey, over here. Well, very few people know American sign language. So she could have been faking it. Like a bunch of people have been faking it before and they got caught. No. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a guy next to Obama when Obama was giving a speech once. And this guy was completely making it up. Come on. He was a con man. Come on. tricked himself into being three feet from Obama, no security screening.

1:24:29Because nobody knows how to validate or verify. I don't believe it was in America. I think it was somewhere else. Oh, my God. I took American Sign Language. So they let this guy on stage, and you can tell he's just making things up. Oh, my God. He's like fake sign. You've never seen this? No. Find the guy's fake sign language with Obama. How did they – did he get busted during the speech? Well, there's sign language people, this guy right here. So this guy on the right, yeah, that guy, he's completely making shit up. So wait for Obama to get. So this is the Mandela memorial. When does Obama come out?

1:25:06There's one with Obama next to the guy. So that was what it was. So that's the guy. See, he's looking right next to him. Oh, my gosh. The guy was completely faking sign language. He was just a kook. He was like, I can do it. Yeah, I'm good at it. Let me up there. that is crazy people are nuts people are nuts you should know that as much as anybody listen i've i've learned it over and over again and they're even nuttier at a level that i didn't know what was the big turning point for you was it just being attached to bobby and watching all that or uh it was it was bobby running for president it was it's so crazy i mean i really got a crash course in um elections and uh it is the craziest shit goes on and everybody is that's all they think about you know the people that are involved they get up in the morning how can I fuck this guy over I'm gonna say and and they have these people that their only job is to start a rumor is to say something put something in the press that doesn't matter if it's true or not if if somebody else picks it up it they celebrate for the whole day and it's like that story whatever it was the thing that they said gets picked up that is like a day of celebration.

1:26:40It's a celebration from the other camps. And then it's like, your camp is now trying to figure out what to do about that, or what kind of damage it's going to do. And is it worth even fighting? Or is it better to just let it wither on the vine? It's just all day, everyday people are trying to find the craziest craziest doesn't matter it doesn't matter if it's about certainly if it's about politics or not it's more exciting if it's something personal oh he's wearing lifts in his boots oh she's and it's just but that is an important thing if someone's wearing and lifts in their boots like, hey, we've.

1:27:30How are you going to govern this country? How did you get so tall out of nowhere? It is absurd. It's a weird. It's absurd. It's an absurd behavior. Well, who gives a shit? Women wear heels. Right. But if a man does it and he's lying about it, I think that as a short man. Well, did anybody ask? I think they did. I think they asked. You're talking about a homeboy from Florida. Yeah, I think they asked and he denied it. But it was pretty clear. There was like one podcast or one talk show, one of those late night shows where he walked out. And I was like, you're walking like a horse. Like you're clearly on your tippy toes.

1:28:06This is crazy. You've added like five inches to your height. This is bananas and it's all inside your boots. And then that's what everybody's talking about. But don't do that. Don't do that. No one's going to talk. That's like a self-inflicted wound. But then it's like, oh, well, he's too short to govern the country. That's crazy. If people think that, that's on that. Oh, people are crazy. Yeah, but they're not going to think you're taller than you really are. Like they've seen you for fucking decades. He's been in the public eye forever and then all of a sudden he gains four inches. Everybody's like, what's going on?

1:28:34Like people know you can't. They're scrutinizing everything. You know, you can't. Yeah. You can't pull the wool over their eyes that hard. Yeah. And it also it shows like this weird thing where you're so worried about what people think about you that you're willing to wear lifts in your shoes. And again, I say this as a short man. You know, it's like it's important. Like you. Like just being authentic. That's who you are. Because you're not being authentic. That's who you are. Yeah. You're not going to change people's opinion of you if you wear a fucking stilt. But what does it matter? Like if a guy had a toupee and he was running for president, would you be like, nah, no?

1:29:12Because it might make him feel better to. Fuck your feelings. Take that fucking wig off.

1:29:22you should run a campaign especially if you're wearing wearing a wig and then all of a sudden you put it on and you expect me to ignore it that's crazy that's crazy if you're like bald forever and then all of a sudden you wear one and then the day that you start wearing it yeah there must be a day in somebody's life when it's like yeah i'm just gonna go for it and hope nobody well there's a bunch of like really smart people who have them on which is really weird it's like How can you be so smart and you don't know that that thing on your head is ridiculous? Like you were bald and now you're not.

1:29:53And I'm supposed to just go, hey, congratulations on growing all your hair back. This is fucking nuts. So you find it so distracting. No, I just find it a character flaw. I see. I see. Right. Okay. It's like you're a 60-year-old man and you're concerned with looking attractive? Like at this stage of your life? Like, come on. Let it go. This is a crazy thing. Whatever was going to happen should have already happened. And at this point. This is a crazy thing to concentrate on, especially if you want to be taken seriously. Like you should. But so what about a guy in his. That's 25. That's wearing a tupac.

1:30:29It's that. Look, it's like male hair loss is devastating. People talking as a bald guy. Yeah. I got hair transplants. I did the whole thing. I tried minoxidil and all the other different things. It's like it's you don't have any control over it. And apparently now, like, supposedly UCLA has a new remedy that just grows your hair back. And it's in test right now. And they're going to be able to put it on your – it's probably going to make a trillion dollars. Is it that they – is it like a helmet that you put on your hair? No, no, no. It's like some kind of medication that you topically apply and it grows hair.

1:30:59It grows hair on mice. And apparently it's going to work. They'll – I mean it's kind of amazing that they haven't cracked that code yet. But one day they will. And if the UCLA thing, then the wig business goes out of business. Then would you take it? No. Even if I did, I would shave my head. Why? 100%. I love it. I love having to shave your head. I love not having to talk to a barber. I don't give a shit what I look like. You would rather shave your head than have a meaningless conversation for 10 minutes. 100%. Do you shave it every day? Like every morning? No, I shave it every couple. I shaved it this morning, but I shave it every couple days.

1:31:35But if I... So if I said, if you take this, tomorrow you'll have a full head of hair. you'd be like nothing? Maybe I would take it and then just buzz that down and have it really short but I would have it stubble. Just so you know it's there. Show everybody. Look I got my hair back. If I wanted to I could do it if I wanted to. I don't know. But I could. But I used to love when I had a full head of hair I used to love having a crew cut. It was my favorite thing. Wow interesting. Yeah. I just love like I love the feeling of it like when you rub it and you get all the stubble up there. I like that.

1:32:07I just don't want to think about it. It's texture. I don't want to to think about it. That's it. But when I was in television, I thought about it. I was like, God, I can't lose my hair. That's why I got a hair transplant. I was like, I'm starting to make money. But that didn't work or you didn't like it? It works for a little while. But the way I describe it, I was like, it's like you take people from a neighborhood where everybody's really healthy and you move them to a neighborhood where everyone's dying. So all your neighbors die. So all the other hair that was supposed to fall out, that falls out.

1:32:36And the only stuff that's left is the stuff you put there. And it looks kind of ratty and sparse. What do you take it from? The back? Yeah, they take it from the back of your head and move it to the top. Yeah. A lot of guys go to Turkey now. I know. They do it and they get their whole head redone. But sometimes you get a weird hairline where it's like a little too low and crazy. It's a little too flat and weird. And you're like, what's going on with your hair? That's hard. Yeah. Because how do you know? Because you're under, you're under. Well, you probably think it's a good idea and the doctor thinks it's a good idea.

1:33:04And he convinces you. You're like, it's going to look good. He's like, it's going to look amazing. And next thing you look like a wolf man. Are you out completely when you have that? No. No, no. You're right away. The doctor's talking to you and it's like, I'm going to put one here. They don't even talk to you. You can like watch a movie or something like that. You just sit there and chill. There's videos of guys doing it online. You know I'm not going to watch that. They pluck these little hairs out and stick them in the little holes. Yeah. I wonder why more women don't do it. Women do it. Oh, they do?

1:33:29When women start losing their hair. Yeah. Quite a few of their patients are women. Oh, wow. Because like maybe they have alopecia. Yeah. Yeah. And they can't grow it back. so they transplant it. They do. And you're okay with that? Yeah, I'm okay with women wearing wigs too. You just don't like men wearing wigs. Nope. I don't like it. I don't like men wearing lipstick either. Unless you're a singer or someone freaky. Some non-binary person. But you don't want the guy at the grocery store checking you out. Well, I don't care. It's okay. You might be a weirdo. You're allowed to be a weirdo. I don't mind being weirdo.

1:34:02But if you want me, if we're all hanging out and we're going to go out to dinner and you show up wearing lipstick and eye shadow, I'm like, hey, Bob, what the fuck's going on with your face? If you don't think I'm going to make fun of that, you're crazy. Yeah, okay. So you just make fun of him all night, but you're not so mad that you're not going to go out with him. I mean, it's just a nutty choice, but it's like I wouldn't want you being the treasurer of the United States with fucking lipstick on. It's like you remember that guy that was working in the Biden administration that was a man with lipstick and a shaved head and he was stealing all the women's clothes?

1:34:36He was stealing women's clothes from the airport. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I mean, listen. That's a crazy person. I think there were a few. There was a few. They were hiring him just because they were weird. They were like, this is going to make us look woke. We're going to hire all the right people. It's going to be very inclusive. Okay, great. You're hiring mentally ill people. You're hiring a man who likes to steal women's clothes from the airport. Yeah, and you're putting him in charge of nuclear energy. I mean that is – OK. So this goes back to politics, right?

1:35:08Yeah. So it's like – so you watch that and then the next election, it's got a new group of people and they're weird. Right. So it's not like just one side is – Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think – I think that's a big trap to think that it's only the Republicans or only the Democrats that are weird. No. Everybody who wants to do that, the vast majority of them are unhinged because that is not a normal job. Unhinged. And they're not good at it. That's the other thing. They're not good at talking. They're not good at public speaking. Even the best ones are like – that's why when a guy like Obama or a guy like Clinton comes along, like, holy shit.

1:35:46Or Trump. They're so good at like talking to large groups of people and being themselves. So when someone's not good at that, it's like glaringly obvious because most people who are good at that kind of stuff, they don't want that job. Right. That job's horrible. Right. Yeah. That job is crazy. Yeah. Job's nuts. But then do you have to be good at talking? You do. You do because it's part of the campaign trail. Well, right. You have to be good at expressing yourself. But that's the other thing too is like running for something, being part of a campaign is so different than actually doing it. Yeah.

1:36:25Than being – they're completely – it's like auditioning. It's so much like auditioning. But it's completely – it is. It is. It's a completely different skill set. A different job. A different skill set. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. At least auditioning, you're actually acting in the room. Yeah. You know, when you're running for president, you're not running for president in front of everybody. This is how I'm going to do it. You're going to pretend to be my chief of staff. Yeah. You're going to be the secretary of defense. And I'm going to put on a play. So I'm going to show you how I would handle it if I ran across the line.

1:36:57I would rather that. Yeah. I would like to see a campaign like that where it's just a little mini play. A little mini play. Yeah. It's like a little cabinet meeting. It's like a little cabinet meeting. Yes. A little Cuban Missile Crisis right in front of everybody's eyes. That would be. And just to see how everyone would handle it. Yeah. Well, that's why when people pretend to be a president in a film, people go, you know what? He would be a great president. Like people do that all the time. That's true. That's how Zelensky became the president of Ukraine. Because he was a good actor. He was an actor as a president in a TV show.

1:37:27and that's why everybody liked him. Did you know that? I knew that he was an actor, but I didn't know he was playing the president. He was playing the president. He was a comedian and he was playing the president in a television show and people loved it. And they're like, he should be the real president. That's how goofy people are. Well, yeah, that could definitely happen in this country, don't you think? 100%. All the people that have played the president, people will be like, yeah, that guy could definitely do it. Martin Sheen? Martin Sheen. 100%. People would say, yeah. He could probably be the president right now if he wanted to.

1:38:00Yeah. I mean, if someone like that, like a top-notch actor, really wanted to campaign, everybody would be fucked. Yeah. Except for they just tear him apart and attack him and make up a bunch of stuff about him and his family. And actors, they have thinner skin than politicians. Some of them do, yeah. Most of them. Most of them. Because as an actor, you're putting yourself out there all the time and you feel insecure. People are – one person doesn't like you or says that you're horrible. Then it's like, oh, my God. But politicians are like, what else you got? That's it. Well, they're just used to being full shit.

1:38:38They live in it. They're comfortable in it. I think that there are some politicians that are true, that are authentic and truly working to make the country better. Absolutely. That is one thing that I've seen. I think there are people on death row that are innocent.

1:39:02They're just so few and far between. I just don't think it's most. I think the reality. What do you think – why do you think most – why would most people do it that aren't interested in truly making the country better or bettering the government? Well, it all depends upon what is – what's your motivation? Like what are you doing it for? And I think most of them are doing it for the same reason why people become famous. They're doing it because they want to be special and they want to say the things that people want to hear so that people like them and then they can make money. I think that's why they do it.

1:39:43And then once you get in, here's the thing that seems to be pretty apparent is that once you get in for the most part, you have to adhere to the mindset of all the other people that are in your business. And if you don't, you get – like John Fetterman. Like you get cast out. They hate that guy now. They're mad at him because he says I think you should probably have ID to vote. I like John Federer. He's great. Yeah, this week And he says he's authentic. He says well that guy genuinely worked in charities for his whole life like he genuinely worked in Doing philanthropy work and like real stuff like he's not a greedy guy He walks around a Carhartt hoodie and shorts He went to the fucking inauguration in shorts and a Carhartt hoodie And I talked to him when he was there.

1:40:31He's like genuinely sweet, like in real life. Yeah. He's a nice guy. He is who he is. Big teddy bear. Like a nice guy. Yeah. And unfortunately, he had that stroke. And so it messes with his ability to recall things. So when you talk to him like on a show, he'll have like a little iPad that translates stuff. Yeah. Just so he can recall the question and do it again. But, you know, he's a smart guy. Yeah. He just has a weird problem. Yeah. But the thing is like you have to adhere. And if you don't – you're not allowed to have a deviating opinion. If you do, you get cast out. Like Thomas Massey. You see the same thing in the Republicans.

1:41:09Like anybody that has an opinion that doesn't deviate with the groupthink, you get cast out. They'll call you a traitor. They'll sell terrible things about you. There's a lot of theatrics. There's a lot of that. And I think there's a lot of people that are in that business that start off with really good intentions. Yeah. And then you see them slowly give in. They slowly succumb to the weight of what that position is. But, you know, it's not like they're making a lot of money. Oh, congresspeople? You think they are? Oh, yeah. The way they make money is insider trading, Cheryl. Oh, God, I'm so nice.

1:41:47Oh, it's so ubiquitous. That's the dark, dark secret. But it's not even a secret. Is that why they never leave? Well, that's why Nancy Pelosi's 1 ,000 years old. She's worth$400 million, and she makes$170 ,000 a year. Make sense out of that. Yeah, it is a little suspicious. Make sense out of that. First of all, if you had$400 million in the bank, would you keep showing up for work if you're 85 fucking years old and you're in a job that pays$170 ,000 a year? I'd look at that paycheck every week. I'd be like, I'm good. I'm going to get out of here. This is crazy. I'm going to go relax on an island somewhere.

1:42:21I'm going fishing. Yeah. I'm going to go to Mexico and go fishing. This is nuts. Yeah. I'd be enjoying this money. Why would you still be working? Because her net worth keeps going up and up and up. You've seen PelosiTracker.com. Have you ever seen that? Yeah. My boys talk about it. Yeah. It's crazy. She's better at the stock market than Warren Buffett. She's better at the stock market than George Soros. But is it possible that she thinks she is moving the needle in politics in the right way? It's possible. Sure. It's possible that she convinces herself of that. It's also possible that staying in office is the best way to ensure you're not prosecuted.

1:43:06Whoa. Yeah, because if somebody goes after you, if that's not legal and if you really did have insider information and you bought a bunch of stock and something that you knew that – I think there's a real good case that that shouldn't be legal. It seems like it is legal now. But if you're involved – I don't know. Is it legal? I don't think I'm involved. I think it's a very gray area because the congresspeople are allowed to trade and buy stocks. And they most certainly have bought stocks when they knew that a certain market is going to be affected by a decision that only they knew was going to be made.

1:43:37Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of evidence for that. Like that's how you make that much money. There's a lot of them. And it's not a Republican or a Democrat issue. It's red, blue, red, blue. It's across the board. Yeah. They're all making crazy loot. Not all of them. Like Tulsi Gabbard didn't do it. There's a bunch of people that didn't do it. Yeah. But there's a lot of them that wind up making a ton of loot and they get super defensive about it. Well, nobody wants to say, yeah, I did it. Well, tell me how you became worth$400 million without providing any product. If you invented some new mouse that's better than any other computer mouse, I see why you made that money.

1:44:19Congratulations. Yeah. But what'd you do? What'd you do? Most people who make$170 ,000 a year are kind of doing well. They're either doing okay. They're doing well. Probably have a nice car. Probably live in a nice house. Yeah. You're not worth$400 million. No. That would be the rarest of rare people. Imagine if you were making$170 ,000 and you were working side by side with Bob, and all of a sudden Bob's buying a fucking Ferrari. He's got his own private jet. He's showing up with his driver. Bob, what are you doing? But – and or – and I don't know the answer to this, but I probably should. Aren't there finances exposed every year or no?

1:44:57Is that just when you run for president? I don't know. I mean certainly when you run for president. Then they want to see your – they want to audit you or they want to see your tax forms. Yeah. Which is cute. So fun. But when you look at like the net worth – and it's very difficult to find out what someone's net worth is. but if you look at the net worth of congresspeople a lot of them are millionaires but were they millionaires before they win it a lot of them weren't Ilhan Omar was she was in debt before she got into office yeah now she's worth millions kind of odd she's good she's really good at her job got lucky she's really good at her job she's really good at her job I mean I am seeing you know through the lens with which I'm looking I've seen a lot of people come in to the administration that have already had a lot of money you know so in that case it feels like they're coming in for the right reason right but when they got in how much more money did they make once they got in that's when things get weird did you start your own crypto coin and do a pump and dump because you know that's odd it's odd that that's legal isn't it and I don't have the answer to this either You probably would more than anybody.

1:46:13But is there a group out there, a watchdog group that's looking at all of this that's like, here's another thing I just discovered about this stock that's such and such voted for? There's a lot of people online that do that. There's a lot of independent journalists that do that. But the thing is it never gets covered in mainstream news. Right. When was the last time you saw mainstream news doing a deep dive on congresspeople's income? Never. Yeah. It doesn't seem like because they want to get access to those congresspeople. Yeah, they want them to come on their shows. You know, it's a weird business.

1:46:47It's a weird business because most certainly when people get into office, they profit immensely. You don't just so if you're like, let's just pretend you're the president. If you become the president, I think the president gets paid. What do they get paid like four hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year or something like that? How much does the president by the way Trump doesn't take that money. He doesn't take a dime of it 400 ,000 But he does have a crypto going The point is it's like so you make that money and then you're in office for four years and you go okay Well, are you gonna live like Jimmy Carter because Jimmy Carter lived a simple life until he died He never profited off of the fact that he was a president or are you gonna be one of those people that give speeches to banks and you inexplicably make like 300 grand to just talk for an hour which is bizarre that seems like a way they can pay you legally if i was being cynical that seems like you did something when you're in office and they made a kind of deal they were happy you're gonna go on your boring ass speaking tour oh yeah break it in and um you know getting sitting on boards right makes me You think of the opioid situation with, what's their names?

1:48:06The Sackler. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. There's a lot of that. The guy from the FDA that approved it and then left. They found him. Really? Yeah. When that documentary Painkiller came out on Netflix, which is just so good. Peter Berg did that. It's so good. Yeah. Not documentary, documentary drama. Matthew Broderick plays the Sackler. It was really good. Really good. the guy who approved it apparently he was saying no forever and then they took him to a hotel for like three days the Stackler family took the FDA guy I mean what did they do in that hotel they closed the doors I don't know what happened and then he got a nice job afterwards where he got paid really well that's a gross thing that they do where there's this revolving door between the FDA and all these other departments and then these other corporations.

1:49:00So you leave and then you get this amazing job working for the very corporation that you were regulating. Yeah. Like if you were doing a good job, wouldn't they want to have nothing to do with you? Yeah. Like this asshole kept us from making billions of dollars. Yeah. We're going to hire him and give him$2 million in a consulting job? Consulting? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a way to pay people off. Seems like it. Someone like me on the outside, I'm just looking at it logically. Just looking at it from my point of view. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it seems like it. That's why. And it's legal somehow or another.

1:49:34That's a weird loophole that should be closed up. You should not be able to regulate an industry and then leave immediately and go work for said industry. Yes. And make a shit ton of money. Well, right. This is awesome. Because it seems like maybe you guys talked. Maybe somebody is doing something. Maybe somebody talked. That's why a lot of people don't like Bobby. Bobby's like. Well, he calls people out on that stuff. fucking around with this. Yeah. The Sackler family one is nuts because it doesn't seem like they're in trouble. It doesn't seem like there was a deal a sweetheart deal where they were going to give a certain amount of money a small percentage of the amount that they profited and then that would also make them immune to prosecution but then a judge pulled that deal right after the documentary came out or the docuseries came out but then you never heard another thing about it.

1:50:21No. Let's put this on ice for a little bit. Everybody shut the fuck up. It's another thing I'm going to have to look up tonight. Everybody shut the fuck up and then it never made it in the news anymore. Yeah. And it just kind of drifted away. Nobody talks about it. But that family is responsible for the death of who knows how many people. Yeah. Ruined who knows how many lives. Yeah. Destroyed families. Destroyed children. I mean, think about if your dad's hooked on opiates and you become homeless and you're a child. What kind of fucking crazy path does your life take where it would have never taken that path if your doctor didn't sell your dad something that completely addicts him.

1:50:54it and prisons him. Right. Imprisons him in a life of just fucking horrible addiction. Well, that's why, you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories, right? It's a conspiracy theory until it's proven true. So if that can happen, if people can tell doctors this is not addictive and doctors believe it and doctors push it. And then you find out later, oh, yeah, they knew. We have documents that prove that they knew that it was addictive. They knew how destructive it was. But they did it anyway. It's like people can believe that. But then they have a hard time believing it about other things.

1:51:40They can't imagine. Well, they don't want to seem foolish. And this is the thing about conspiracy theories. They've done a really good job of making it seem like you're a fool if you believe in conspiracy theories. And this is – they did a really good job of that during the Kennedy assassination. That's when the term conspiracy theorist really became popular. Yeah. I mean it never – it wasn't really a thing that people talked about all the time before the Kennedy assassination. And then after that, that became this term that they would use for kooks. Yeah. A label. You're a conspiracy theorist.

1:52:13Yeah. Like they use that for me all the time. I was about to say. Yeah. All the time. Are you like the king of – I am a conspiracy theorist. Yes. Because, by the way, what is a conspiracy? It's two or more people working together to do something nefarious? It's always happened. It's been going on forever. There's a ton of them that I could just rattle off the top of my head. And I've had a few conversations with people on the podcast where they're like, I think most conspiracies can be attributed to ineptitude and this. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not most. A few. Some. But when there's profit involved, when there's profit involved, when there's power involved, when there's controlled resources involved, most conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true.

1:52:54You know? Right. The more you dig deep, the more you realize, like, oh, there's a concerted effort to make these conspiracies seem ridiculous because you don't want to be taken as a fool. Right. I am a fool. So if you take me as a fool, congratulations. You're accurate. I'm a foolish person I'm a professional clown But why do you say that? Because I'm the easiest person to mock of all time I am a conspiracy theorist Who is a cage fighting commentator Like Half of the time Half of the time when I'm working People are getting kicked in the face Like that's Normal I mean people look at that as That's normal for you Like that's like brutish, barbaric, like stupid meathead behavior.

1:53:45Like, right. OK. That's OK. Yeah. I don't care. Also, I think they faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into Vietnam. Also, production of heroin ramped up to 94 percent of the world once we occupied Afghanistan. Like what? Like how much of that's real? All of it. Plus the United States, the CIA rather, sold heroin or sold cocaine in L.A. ghettos to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. That's all true, too. That's real. Like there's conspiracy theories you can get into that are fucking real. And you don't mind people. You don't care what people say about you. Well, I mean, if they say, no, he's foolish.

1:54:27I am foolish. I'm a foolish person. Well, I think that gives you superpower to just say, I don't care what you think about me. Yes. It's like doing improv, right? Well, nobody wants people to think badly of them. Right. I don't want people to think badly of me. But does it affect your day to day? I don't pay attention. Yeah. I don't pay attention to it. It's not good for you to pay attention to it. No. I just keep on rolling. If you see yourself trending on X. I don't see myself trending. You don't ever check it? Nope. Never. Never. That is so smart. It's not good for you. You're not going to change it.

1:55:03You're not going to change it. Yeah. You just got to keep moving. And with kids, that's hard to say. It's hard to tell kids don't pay attention to you. They're going to pay attention. But they become more resilient from paying attention. And I hope your kids know who you are. I would hope that they get you. Yeah. And I think my kids get me. And I think my family gets me. Look, I am who I am. I'm a fool, but I'm an honest fool. you know I'll tell you what I believe and it might not make any sense to you and you can mock me all day long I think there's some things that I'm foolish with but it's okay I mean it doesn't bother me to I'm I'm nice I'm a kind person I try to be I work hard at it well you're smart and you're curious and you're kind to people I think it's important to do I think it's to live a good life you should have a good community of people that you love and you care for and you You should be as nice to them as you can and have some fun in this life.

1:56:00That's what I – but also you can't be scared of people who don't know you thinking that you're an idiot if you're saying something you truly believe in. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't mind talking about like the moon landing hoax or fucking UFOs or – I don't care. Right. All the things that people are like, oh, that makes you look like a kook. Like good. Who cares? Then don't listen. Who cares? Right. You don't have to listen. Right. But also like I don't have to audition for something. Right. If I did, then maybe I would change. I know a lot of comedians that kind of change their act once they started getting on TV.

1:56:34Yeah. Because they kind of take the edge off their act. They don't want to be as controversial. Yeah. They're worried about a bit maybe getting clipped and going viral or especially like only part of the bit where like it's out of context, doesn't show the whole bit where, you know. Yes. Even words. I mean, that goes back to, you know, the campaign. It's like if any words that come out of your mouth, they can, like you said, clip. Then it's just gone. And then it's now you're do you talk about, oh, I you didn't play the whole thing. You didn't say this is exhausting. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

1:57:13The words came out of your mouth. It doesn't matter. Well, look at Trump's lawsuit with the BBC. They completely clipped his speech and took 50 minutes of it out and put another thing at the end of it to make it look like he was trying to get people to go and attack the Capitol. Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy. And, you know, he's suing them now. And then the head of the BBC had to resign. But it's like that is normal. That kind of behavior is normal. Yeah. Yeah. But what is this election going to look like with AI? It's just going to be craziness. So crazy. I mean, the last one was crazy. This one's going to be so...

1:57:52I can't even imagine what it's going to look like. Well, it's also Trump has kind of changed the way people interact in debates and in politics. And there's people that are trying to emulate his success, right, which happens in like all art forms. And I think running for president and being an entertainer are kind of connected in the fact that you could almost say that like campaigning is kind of a performance art. Absolutely. I mean, think of like Kamala Harris. She had that one great speech that she did when they announced that she was going to run for president when she said, if you're going to say something, say it to my face.

1:58:30And everybody went, oh, shit, it's on. And then she ramped up in the charts. And what was that? Well, that was a great performance. That was a piece of art. Right. If you're going to be that, that's what that is. So it's like this is what these people are doing. And he's changed the art form in a lot of ways. Like he is like, you know, like when Elvis Presley came out and started shaking his hips and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on? Are we allowed to do that? I'm going to do that. Right. When Jimi Hendrix lit his guitar on fire, everybody's like, what the fuck? We can do that? Yeah.

1:59:01You know, it's like someone sometimes comes along that changes the way people do the thing. Yeah. And he has unfortunately turned everyone into an insult artist. Whereas you go to the Obama Mitt Romney thing. And if you can find the actual one, not one where people are commenting on it, it's actually interesting. Yeah. There's another one that's the really good one. I think the best one is Clinton when he was running for president. When Clinton was running for president, he was so good. He was so measured. He's a great speaker. Oh, not only that, if you listen to what he's saying back then, what's really crazy is a lot of it are right wing talking points of today.

1:59:37You know, when they talk about immigration, when they talk, it's right wing talking points of today. Yeah. It's looking out for the American middle class. No, even Hillary, the things that are going around, the things that she said that now people are furious about. I know. When she was running for president in 2008, we've played this clip a bunch of times where she's saying, if you're in this country illegally, yeah, first of all, you should have to pay a stiff fine. And if you've been arrested for any crime, you get kicked out of the country, no questions asked. Everybody's cheering. And you should learn to speak English.

2:00:12And everybody went nuts. Yeah. Like, that's so MAGA. It's so MAGA. It's more MAGA than like J.D. Vance. Yeah. It really is. It's crazy. It is pretty. It is crazy. It's crazy. But also, like, no self-awareness. Some of the Democrats that are watching what's happening and also we're supporting that. I just don't think there's anybody capable. other than Gavin Newsom, right, who is like the ultimate slick politician guy. And regardless of how the state goes in California, regardless of how the city of San Francisco goes, he keeps winning because he's really good at being slick and saying things. And pretending he means things.

2:00:58He's personable and he's articulate. He's a fucking politician and he's a good looking guy and he's tall and he's got nice hair. And people are dumb. He could be the president. He's my president. He could definitely play the president on TV. 100%. Right? So, like, that's all you have to do. Like, you have to just be— Look the part. Talk the talk. Say it the way we like a president to say it. Yeah. And it's crazy because, like, they're the only people today that are allowed to talk like that and say things that we know aren't true in a way that is a way that a person talks when they're running for president that they never talk like in real life.

2:01:35That's true. If someone was over your house and they started talking like that, you're like, Steve is fucking crazy. We've got to get him out of the house. He's very presentational. It's so fake. You're right. There's a lot of the shouting and yelling. It's weird. It is weird. And now it's become insulting. Now it's a lot of insulting. And Newsom has tried to ape Trump's behavior patterns. I hope the pendulum swings back to a more dignified. Do you need a really good candidate from the left? I don't know who that's going to be. I don't think he's – I don't see anybody. That James Tallarico guy is kind of interesting.

2:02:06He's pretty interesting. I've had him on the podcast before. He's a very religious guy and very opposed to them putting the Ten Commandments in schools, public schools in Texas. And his take on it is very measured as a religious person, a very religious person. He's in seminary right now. And he essentially said that you're pushing people away from Christianity by doing this. And that it's not fair that if you are not a Christian and you go to this school, you have to read the Christian rules. and what about the Buddhist rules? What about the Muslim rules? What about, you know, it's just not right.

2:02:39And he can talk about it in a real way. And he's also a very religious person. I'm not very familiar with him at all. He was a school teacher and he was realizing that cuts to the budgets were directly affecting vulnerable students in his class. And he pointed to this one kid that he had that was doing really well because he was getting counseling and, you know, He came from a troubled background, but he was really showing progress. And then they cut off the funding. He lost his counseling, started falling apart, dropped out of school. And he was like, that is a direct result of this lack of funding for important things that he thinks directly affect people that are vulnerable.

2:03:18And he was coming at it from a very honest and a very moral and ethical place. And when you could talk to him, you could realize that I think he's a good man. And he has a real good chance of being like a— Is he from Texas? Yes. Yeah. He's kind of young, right? Yes. Very young. I think he's like 35 or 36 or something like that. But it's also he pointed out that there's a group of very wealthy oil people in this country or in this state rather that want to turn Texas into a they want to fund all the religious schools and cut the funding for the public schools. they want to turn it into a theocracy.

2:03:55They essentially want to turn it into what you would call a Christian nationalist. And they really want to push that agenda. And they're doing it with an enormous amount of money. They have an incredible amount of money. And they're these evangelical Christians. And they have these very rigid ideas about what people should be able to do in this country. Sketchy. Yeah, that's sketchy. Very sketchy. And it also goes back to money. Yeah. So even hearing that, like, to run for president. Yeah. Takes so much money. Yeah. A lot of money. But if people think you could win, they might get on board. Yeah.

2:04:29That's where things get interesting. Yeah. If you think someone can win, like how much are you willing to ignore just because this guy will get in? And then once he gets in, that's the dirty part. Once they get in, very rarely do they do what they said they were going to do. Yeah. Very rarely. Yeah. Very rarely. Well, and do you think it's because it's so hard to make change or you think once they get in, they're like, I don't care. I'm just going to do what I'm going to do. I think if you want to be really cynical, I think they say a lot of things that they don't mean in order to get elected.

2:04:57Yeah. They say the things that the people want to hear in order to get elected. And then I think once they get elected, then it's like the Bill Hicks bit. There's a Bill Hicks bit where he's like, I think they take you into a dark, smoky room and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before. And then they say, any questions? And you're like, yeah, I just want to know what my agenda is. Yeah. You know, I think there's a little bit of that, too. Well, you're right. I mean, not about that specifically, but definitely when you get in, you see things that are just like, well, this is bigger.

2:05:33Yeah. The bigger has been happening for a long time and you're just a little tiny piece that's not going to change that. The deep state is real. And if you want a conspiracy theory that a lot of people like to dismiss, just think about it logically. If there are a bunch of people that are in charge of enormous organizations, and these enormous organizations exist regardless of who the president is, and they are in office for 10, 20, 30, 40 years, whatever it is, acquiring power, using their influence, enormous amount of support from enormous corporations, that's real. That's always been real. And you have to contend with that if you want to enact meaningful change as a politician in this country.

2:06:19And good luck. Yeah. Good luck fighting that battle. Yeah. And when you do get in as president, there are so many jobs that you have to fill. Yeah. Like thousands in days, weeks, months, thousands and thousands. So you have all of these thousands of new employees that are ready to work. They have to be organized. And now they're organizing with the people, like you said, that are politicals that have been there. Or they're career people that have been there through it all, through different. And they're going to be there when you're gone. And they're going to be there when you're gone. And so they'll hit the brakes every time they can.

2:07:06they'll fucking throw a little monkey wrench into the gears slow things down make back door deals it's just like crazy I've talked to Tulsi about it and she's like it's so nuts there's people that are in charge of these certain offices and they just stop you from doing what you want to do and then you have to try to figure out how to get around it and then you have to wash their backs or they wash yours it's a lot it's just a lot of every day trying to frigging. And I'm sure it gets frustrating and I'm sure there are days when you're like, well, I know I told the people I was going to do that one thing and I can't do that one thing.

2:07:45I can't even get people to change their mind about what they're going to eat for lunch. That's the real scary thing about AI. AI is going to come along and be logical and say, let us handle this. You guys aren't good at this. I think they're doing that now. All this corruption, all this corruption we could put a stop to it immediately we could make things very efficient by the way you don't think AI could weed out the people in Congress and wherever that have been of course that have been making money on interesting it could happen in a state right I don't think they're doing anything illegal currently I think it's very questionable whether or not it's an ethical thing to do I don't think it is But I think as far as the legality of it, it's not like – Illegal to invest in a company?

2:08:38No, it's not. You ever seen Nancy Pelosi when she got asked about that? It's hilarious. It's so funny. Like they caught her off guard. And do you think – I think they should be on participate. And she like pushes the microphone away and like gets out of there. You never seen it? It's really funny. I don't think so. Maybe I have. I don't know. Jamie, pull that up. It's a fun clip. Because like look, she's been running it like a G. Respect. Like, seriously, she's been in for a long time. She's got it down pat, man. She's got it. There's a photo of her when she was a young girl standing next to Kennedy.

2:09:08Yeah. I've seen that. So she's been in this game forever. Yeah. She knows what she's doing. Forever. Yeah. And you want to know who she is? Her and Chuck Schumer, when they put on the African garb and they got down on one knee for Black Lives Matter. Yeah. And it turns out that the colors that they were wearing were from a specific tribe that was responsible for a lot of the slavery. They were the people that were enslaving people and then selling them. Then we told her that and she just wanted to look cool. We told her that. That's a tough one. Yeah. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty sure it is.

2:09:45I'm pretty sure it is. What? You didn't listen? I'm looking for the Nancy Pelosi video. Oh, sorry. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer when they got down on one knee with their African garb on, the The garb that they are wearing is from this one particular tribe that was responsible for a lot of the slave trade. And by the way, that also speaks to how some things are just random done by an assistant somewhere that's like, I need to have something to put on. And then now it looks like they've made a big statement and it's like, oh, no, I didn't know. That's just kooky to do. It's just kooky to do in the first place.

2:10:27I mean, it's like, why are you doing that? How about just say, I feel very strongly about this particular social issue, and we need, you know, less racism, and we need to be more equal in this country. No, but it's about the photo op. You're getting on one knee. Is that accurate? Sometimes we go to— I'm trying to figure out what they're saying about it. There's a picture. Okay. Yeah. People were just mad that they were wearing this stuff to begin with. I don't know. Right. It's called Kenta cloth. Yeah. So was the kenti cloth, did it have anything to do with the people that were involved in the slave trade?

2:11:04Did they wear it? Because that's what I had read online. But again, who knows how much of that's real. That's the problem. You read things and it could be horseshit. Yeah. Fact check. Yes. Go back. It didn't say anything. It said fact check. Yeah, it didn't say yes. Yes. It says yes. First word. Pentecosts were historically worn by empire involved in West African slave trade. Yeah. So that's true. Well, it's funny because when Bobby and I travel internationally and we might be somewhere where they wear specific clothing garments. Right. And it looks cool. And it's like we're supposed to go to an event or a function.

2:11:49And I will think, oh, well, why don't we wear what, you know, they're wearing. Bobby's like, calm down. Just wear your own clothes. Don't, don't. Just don't. Just don't. And I'm like, are you sure? Because everybody's, Cheryl, bring it down. And definitely don't take a picture with their stuff on. Oh, no. Theo Vaughn did that. He went to Qatar and took a picture wearing their outfits. Uh-oh. And everybody's like, you're bought and paid for. And he's like, settle down. Yeah. Do you got the Nancy Pelosi video? No, no.

2:12:28There's multiple versions of it, and most of the things I'm finding are people commenting on it again. Oh. Because that's where it exists. I'm sure you'll find it. It's out there. Yeah. But it's fun. I'm sure there are a few. No, I mean, this was not it. It's not it? No, this is Yahoo Finance talking about it, and it shows 10 seconds of it, but it doesn't show her walking away like you wanted to trying to find what you wanted to see. Let me hear it. Back it up a little. She's tough, man. Back it up a little. So you can hear the question? The government should be trading. Take a listen. The insider just completed a five-month investigation finding that 49 members of Congress and 182 senior congressional staffers have violated the Stock Act, the insider trading law.

2:13:07I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that. And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress? No, I don't know to the second one. we have a responsibility to report on the stock but I'm not familiar with that five month review but if people aren't reporting they should be look how nervous she looks this is a free market and people we are a free market economy, they should be able to participate in that okay okay right so I guess there is some law yeah there there is some law that they were talking about you can't know about a decision that's going to be made and somehow have invested but there's a lot of evidence that they do and again right and left it's a lot it's definitely not one group she's the scapegoat she's the best at it she's the G she's top dog I don't even think she's made the most money.

2:14:18I think someone else had made more money, right? Wasn't it? She was like 10th on the list or something. Who's the top dog? They're the one throwing her under the bus. Put Nancy in front of the camera. Poor Nancy. She likes the camera. Get her out there. They're hiding. Nancy's like, ah, well. Yeah, there's some guy who's like fucking middle of North Dakota. Just taking it easy. Yeah. Just on his ranch. That guy, Dave Rauser. Look at that. 149%. Whoa. Okay, but that's, it says stock value, portfolio value, but it doesn't say the numbers. Yeah, well, I mean, that's... Right? You know what I mean?

2:14:54It's like, so if their portfolio goes up 149%, but they only have 50 grand in it, as opposed to what Nancy has in it, hers only went up 70%. Can you imagine if you went to a fucking guy and he said he can give you a 70 % return on your money, you'd be like, what's your name? How do you know that? What is your name? So I can Google you, Mr. Madoff. Right. Exactly. Yeah. How are you doing that? How are you making that much money? That's crazy. How about 150 %? That was like the top one. That guy's doing good. That guy's doing okay. Right. But maybe he's smart. He only invests a little bit. Just a touch.

2:15:30Just a little bit. Just for funsies. In AI. Yeah. I mean if you put in 20 bucks and you come back with 150 % of 20 bucks, no one's going to get mad. Do you gamble? Me? Yeah. No. But I will. You mean you're ready to start? But it's not like you love it No, I don't gamble on like cards and stuff like that I used to gamble on fights I used to bet on fights But then I really decided at a certain point in time I probably shouldn't be doing this That was a long time ago though The UFC recently made it illegal Not illegal, but they passed a rule Saying that the people that work for the UFC can't gamble on the fights Because there was a scandal involved in fixed fights where it looks like somebody took a dive for money and then it turns out many fighters have been approached and asked to take dives and so there's a current investigation going on.

2:16:24It's just like basketball. Like everything. The basketball thing just, yeah, I mean, it's not new. Especially when money's involved. If you get gambling involved. But my thought was like, I don't have any power in affecting whether or not the fight goes one way or the other. I just have insight. Right. In terms of like what I think I have a more educated idea of what a fighter is capable of than a person who doesn't watch fights constantly. So I and also in the beginning, the early days, I had a giant advantage in that I was a huge fan of these overseas organizations like Pride and Strike Force or not Strike Force, but Rise.

2:17:04And a lot of these companies were bringing fighters over and these bookmakers didn't know about these fighters. And I knew a lot about them. I'm like, this guy's going to fuck everybody up. Like, whatever this line is, I would tell people, like, when Anderson Silva came to the UFC, I told all my friends, I said, bet the house. Bet everything on this guy. I go, this guy's going to fuck everybody up. He's going to be the champion inside of the year. I was like, there's no one going to stop him. And he did. Yeah. I was like, he's too good. But you don't want to bet on, like, football or something that you're not.

2:17:35You're not sort of. I would. I bet a little bit. I really want you to gamble for some reason. I'm not scared of gambling, but I do know that it ruins some people's lives. Yeah. But so do cheeseburgers. Yeah. Yeah. Some people, they ruin their life with Pop-Tarts and Mountain Dew. It's true. If it's going to be something. Yeah. But it doesn't have to be, is what we're saying. Right. It's the same thing as junk food. I don't think junk food should be illegal. But I think what Bobby's doing with junk food is really important. And what he's also doing with just educating people like, hey, like the new food pyramid.

2:18:10Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Finally, it's aligned with all the real legitimate health experts. Yeah. Instead of this nonsense that you're supposed to mostly be eating grain like you're a fucking cow. Like, this is nuts. By the way, you know, Bobby's job as secretary of HHS, even something like the food pyramid, which is I don't know how you can argue with it. But people will find a reason to be mad about it. And it's no matter what he says or sometimes the president says, even if it's something great like favored nations, drug prices. Right. Where they're saying for the first time, America is not going to pay more than other countries for drugs, pharmaceutical drugs.

2:19:03somehow there are people out there that would be mad about it yeah they're not going to take it well they're furious and outraged a lot of them are probably paid off they're paid off to be there's a lot of paid influencers that's one thing to take into consideration when it comes to anything not like foreign policy issues pharmaceutical drug issues there's a lot of people that are paid to have certain opinions that's fact and get it out there yeah they get out there and, you know, someone takes advantage of the fact that this person has a large platform and then they say, hey, you know, this fucking drug price thing is wrong.

2:19:39We're doing something terrible. This pharmaceutical drug. This is terrible. Too much money they have to spend. We have to make sure they're profitable. You can be hard on them. Yeah, this is a crime. Yeah. This is a crime to make it cheaper for everybody else. Like, they need all the money. Do you think that, like, influencers that are just, you know, the people that are showing you how to do an exercise or how to do your uh your makeup you think those guys yeah somehow they get involved right it depends on who they are and how influential they are but i know that happened during covid they paid a lot of people to promote the vaccines yeah they paid people yeah to promote the vaccines which is just paid people that's crazy like if the medicine's good you shouldn't have to pay people to promote it yeah when's the last time you saw a influencer are getting paid to promote penicillin?

2:20:25Never. Fucking never. Why? Because it works. It's good and you don't have to do that. Yeah. If you need it, you should go to the doctor and get penicillin. It's like tried and proven medication. That was a weird. It's a weird time. It's a weird time. Weird. Super weird time. But it opened up a lot of people's eyes and, you know, air quotes, red-pilled a lot of people. I hear that term a lot. Yeah. Is there a term black-pilled? Red Pill? Yes. Oh, never saw it. Oh, you never saw The Matrix? No, but I've seen him. Cheryl, you're an actor! I've seen him going backwards and the bullet. It's like, okay, I get it.

2:21:03I got the thing. Oh, wait. So Red Pill. So Morpheus presents Neo with - Is that Keanu Reeves? Yes. Okay. Well, Morpheus is - Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence Fishburne presents Keanu Reeves with two pills. Okay. One of them is the Blue Pill. If he takes his Blue Pill, he stays in The Matrix. And he has no knowledge of what reality is all about. If he takes the red pill, the red pill is reality. And he gets to see. So he takes the red pill. The red pill is reality. And so there's a lot of people that took that blue pill. And they can't tell you what a woman is. That's an interesting conversation when you hear that.

2:21:44A great example of someone who took the blue pill. When you just say, like in these congressional hearings, like Josh Howley or these people say, what is a woman? and like someone who identifies as a woman okay what are they identifying as and it's like this weird circular logic and they just keep going and they don't have anything can can men menstruate can men get pregnant yes some men can get pregnant yes some men can have babies yes some men menstruate and you're like are you are you do you have a phd are you really a teacher this is crazy it is but that's blue pill they took the blue pill is there such thing as a black pill Yes.

2:22:23What is the black pill? That's people that think we're doomed and we're fucked and everything's – they think it's all pedophiles and Satanists are running the government. And then the white pill is people who think everything's going to be great. Oh. Can I get the white one? Yeah. The white pill would be a good thing to take, but I don't think it's accurate. I think you want a gray pill. If they just have a gray pill that gets you like, hey, there probably are a bunch of Satanists and pedophiles in positions of high power. And then there's also probably a real good chance that we'll pull through this and we'll be better than we've ever been before.

2:22:58That's possible. There's a lot of exciting possibility about the future of human beings. And I think the good thing and the bad thing about the Internet is the free distribution of information. There's a good thing about it that I try to focus on is that more people have an understanding of how things are really working than ever before. Yeah. Like this Epstein file thing, right? That was a big eye-opener for a lot of people. When you see how many people after 2008, after he was arrested, after he went to jail, were actively taking money from him. MIT took money from him and tried to hide it and said to make sure that any donations from Jeffrey are listed as anonymous.

2:23:37You find out people are like – they refer to him as Voldemort. You couldn't say his name. Wow. There was a lot of people that met with him and did business with him and traveled with him after he was arrested. after he went to jail. Do you spend a lot of time reading them? No. I try not to. I try to have experts come on. I try to read. You can't change it, and it'll fuck with your head. Yeah, it's toxic. You will really get it. It'll stick with your—and I know. I've tried not to. Yeah. I haven't read any of them. I do see things on the news, and I'm not saying, oh, if I don't hear it, that means it didn't happen.

2:24:19But it's just it is such a toxic situation that I think it would be hard to. It seems very dark. Very dark. Because it seems like it was this bizarre black male influence thing that was going on for a long time. For so long. A long time. Through different administrations. That's what's so unbelievable about it. It's dark. How long it was going on and how many people. I'm in the files for not going. Huh? Yeah, I'm in the files for not going because Jeffrey Epstein was trying to meet with me. Oh, I did see that. Yeah, and I was like, what? I'm like, no thanks. Yeah. Aren't you glad? Yeah, but I would have never went anyway.

2:25:06It's like it's not even a possibility that I would have ever went, especially after I Googled him. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? This was like 2017. One of my guests was trying to get me to meet him. I was like, bitch, are you high? Like what the fuck are you talking about? For what reason would you? What would be – If I was a guy who was like sucking up to the rich and powerful, if I was really interested in hanging out with rich and powerful people. You know, it's crazy. It's so – that's so crazy. But yeah, some people – Some people get intoxicated by being in a circle of rich and powerful people even if they're not – like they don't even have any ambitions of being one of those people.

2:25:46They just want to be around them. They want to be around Nobel Prize winners. Because this guy was – what he was doing was very clever in that he was getting all of these very powerful and very respected people together. And you would figure like, oh, it's safe. If that guy's there, if that lady's there. Clinton's here. This is fine. Clinton's here. How could this be bad? Look, it's Steven Pinker. How could this be bad? You know, he's a genius. And so you would go, I would imagine, you would go to these – because there's people that went to these – like he had parties in New York. He brought in celebrities and comedians.

2:26:22Didn't Louis Black get invited to one of those? I think he's talked about it. I know Chelsea Handler went to one of them. It's like he would bring all these people in, and he'd like to be around famous people and entertainers and a lot of intellectuals and professors. and Noam Chomsky was famously deeply involved. So it's like you would go, I guess, to these places and that was how he would convince everybody that everything was going to be fine. Like, have you ever been invited to a party and someone would tell you, hey, you should go to this party. Brad Pitt's going to be there. Like, they'll tell you that to try to get you to go.

2:26:57They'll tell you about the famous people that are going to be there. Like, oh, I should go. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It is weird. Some people are really driven by that, really love the parties and the invitations. And blindly ambitious. They're willing to put aside all the possibilities of what could be awful about these people and get together with them without anything. Even a cursory Google search as to who you're hanging out with. You can't have your assistant Google something. How about you just do it? It doesn't take long. Like, hey, look what I just found out.

2:27:40This is kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just – but it's – what's more bizarre is that there's probably – and I talked to Mike Benz about this. He was like explaining how this guy rose to prominence and how he got this kind of influence that he had. And he was like, there's probably a bunch of those going on right now that we don't know about. What people that are – Like that. Of course. Same sort of Jeffrey Epstein type situation, just someone else and doing it somewhere else. They just haven't been caught yet. Yeah. Like if he didn't get arrested, let's think about this. Yeah. Because his particular perversion, the darkness of it, was that he was into underage girls.

2:28:20He was into young girls. Imagine if he wasn't. What if he was only into girls that are in their 30s? Like you would have never heard anything about it. What if he just hired these adult ladies to come to these parties that were already sex workers? Would you have heard anything about this? And that's the thing. Is that happening right now? Right. Did you hear about how this started in 2005? I think this is accurate. No, but I'm glad you're saying that. This is crazy. Two girls fighting. So it started a fight between two teenage girls at Royal Palm Beach High School in Florida. Here are the details of how the event triggered the investigation.

2:28:56Early 2005, two girls at Royal Palm Beach High School got into a fight during which one girl repeatedly recalled the other girl a prostitute or hooker. Following the fight, school administrations and parents investigated, searching one of the girls' purses and finding$300 in cash. The confession. The student initially claimed the money was from working at a fast food restaurant, but later revealed she had been paid for massages by a wealthy man, later identified as Jeffrey Epstein. This revelation led to a police investigation in March of 2005 when the stepmother of one of the girls reported the molestation to the Palm Beach police.

2:29:32Wow. Wow. That's in 2005. That was the first arrest. And now listen to this. It says they identified the Royal Palm Beach High was identified as a focal point for recruitment where, according to investigations, at least 15 students were lured into Epstein's Palm Beach home. Holy shit. That's so crazy. That's in 2005. Imagine if those girls didn't get in that fight. Imagine if that didn't happen. Yeah. It's dark. It's dark. Yeah. But if that guy was not into that, if he was not into high school girls. Right. Like if he was just into grown women who were sex workers and he ran the same operation exactly the same way, it could probably go on to this day.

2:30:14Yeah. And if everybody kept their fucking mouth shut and if all these guys, you know. Yeah. I mean, look at something. Look at some people that are in the... There was nothing going on, so... Oh! FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men file show. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. Who says that? What's that source? It's going around the... I just found the place that was showing the headline. It was going around the internet today. Oh, today? Yeah, the AP... It's the AP reporting it. Today? Oh, I thought that was... I thought that was from 2005. This is like the FBI stating it today.

2:30:48I was like, oh, that's... That's the gaslightiest gaslighting shit I've ever heard in my life. Whoa. What do they think is going on? Just a bunch of fun. A bunch of guys hanging out. That is. Being fellas. Having cocktails. Talking about science. They're still looking into it, but they don't have any evidence. Oh. Look into it. Maybe get Eddie Bravo in the case. Looking into it. That is crazy. The name of his show. Look into it. It's so crazy. But there's probably a lot of that. It's gone forever. And it's also probably a way that they can secure business deals and make sure that people do things they want to do.

2:31:27They have a little something over them. They do a little bit of this, do a little bit of that. For sure. This is what – yeah. I mean that's what Epstein was all about was manipulating people and, you know, holding it over their head and getting them to do something. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. It certainly seems like that. It certainly seems like that was a big part of it. I mean, is it possible that people didn't know what was going on? Maybe initially. Yeah. You know, if someone got lured in like they tried to lure me in and they didn't do a Google search. And also they're meeting with this eccentric billionaire, supposedly, who's just not politically correct.

2:32:10Oh, he's a wild guy. Which, by the way, who cares? People care. People care. Weirdly. People care about billionaires. They want to meet. Weirdly. They want access. They think somehow or another it's going to rub off on them and they're going to be rich too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I see that. Well, you see it with celebrities, of course. Sure. Everybody wants to be around. But I see it with Bobby. People want to be around him. They want to access. They want to tell him something. They want to talk to him. And it's like, well, it's intense. It gets really weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's real weird.

2:32:49It's a – I think it's a natural human inclination. You know, I think it goes back to the tribal days. You want to be around the chief of the tribe. You know, I just think it's a normal primate behavior. Yeah, and it makes sense that you want to be around people that sort of lift you up and give you ideas, show you something that you wouldn't otherwise see. that in the best case scenario you want to be around good people because you want to be around a good person if you meet someone who's really cool like wow that guy's really cool i love being around that person everybody loves them why does everyone look at his behavior he's such a nice guy yeah like and then you know that's good rubs off on everybody but also for some people it's just like they they see someone who's very important and they want to be important and they think being next to that person being next makes them important just being next to them is going to do something Well, that's why people name drop, right?

2:33:47Name dropping might be the worst strategy that's ever been conceived that doesn't work. And yet people do it all the time. Like it never works. Nobody ever says, well, it was over at Leonardo DiCaprio's house the other day. You know, Leo and I are close. Nobody goes, wow, you're so cool. You're friends with Leo. No, they go, listen to this motherfucker name dropping. Right. It's weird. It's weird. But people still do it. Yeah. It's like, I was just telling my niece. It's like a. Oh, you just name dropped your niece. I didn't say your name. But I was saying like a woman who has a bumper sticker that says classy lady.

2:34:22I don't think you are. Yeah. It's like if you have to tell people. That's a good example. It's like I don't think so. Classy ladies don't have bumper stickers, first of all. What are you doing to your car? What are you doing to your car? What are you doing to your car, your poor car? Classy ladies, hilarious. Is it hard for you to go out? Can you go out? It's a struggle. You are so famous that there's fame where some people come up and go, Oh, hi. I like the thing that you did or the thing that you do. And then there's the super famous where everybody knows you and it's probably got to keep you from actually doing normal things, I would think.

2:35:05It's definitely a problem. Yeah, it gets in the way. But that's what you sign up for. Yeah. I didn't necessarily sign up for it, but it became what it is. When I first started doing this podcast, I never would have – if someone told me it was going to be what it was, what it became, I might go, ooh. Not ready for that. I don't know if I want to do that. That's a lot. I like to just be like a B-list sort of weird guy on the outside. It kind of keeps working, but that's it. You're the first person that I've ever talked to that's like, yeah, I just want to be B-list. Oh, B-List is sweet. It's good.

2:35:41It's a sweet spot. Nobody knows who you are. Nobody cares. You can go to the movies. Oh, yeah. No one cares. If they see you, they say hi. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Oh, hey, aren't you that guy that was on that show? Yeah, hi. Yeah. That's it. Nice. Yeah. Nice. That's nice. That's nice. Yeah. You can go to Disney World. Yeah. Yeah. You get to a certain level. You can't go anywhere. No. That's where, you know, you fucked up.

2:36:04Well, don't run for president, by the way. No chance. Not a chance in hell. No, never. Never. Not a chance in hell. Zero political aspirations. Don't listen to me. If I run, don't vote for me. Don't do it. I don't want that job. I wouldn't be good at it. I'm not designed for it. Nope. That's a tough job. It's a crazy job that made sense when there was 150 people and they all had muskets. It doesn't make any sense that one alpha should be involved in controlling 350 million people. Yeah. That's nuts. That's a crazy job. It's all a crazy setup. And by the way, elections are. Hell. The way they're set up is crazy.

2:36:49Yeah. There's that. If you when you're in it and you start seeing this is what you have to do, especially running as an independent, this is what you have to do for each state. It's different for each state. Yeah. Just like who made up these rules? People that were trying to make sure that it was really hard to win. Yeah. To make sure an independent. There's a thing where people are not allowed to question that if you question, you could call the fool or you could call the conspiracy theorist like, hey, I think there's some election fraud. How much do you think there is? Like when people say, I don't think the election in 2020 was rigged, I go, well, I don't have any evidence.

2:37:25I don't know. But if I had to ask you what percentage of election fraud is real, I don't think you would say zero. Yeah. I don't think anybody would say zero. Well, I mean. Right? Do you think, like, there's a woman in California that recently registered her dog and used a mail-in ballot and voted for her dog to expose the fact that you could do this. And, you know, California famously doesn't allow you to show ID when you vote, which is crazy. That's pretty crazy. That's crazy. Like, you're not allowed to? Not only are you not asking, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to show it. That seems like if I was being super charitable, I can't find a reason why that makes sense.

2:38:09And I've never seen Kamala explain that, like people in poor places, they can't go to Kinko's and they can't get their ID. I haven't seen that. Something to see. Fucking nuts. It's like the most rambly, cockeyed answer for – like it doesn't – there's no answer that makes any sense. Like why shouldn't you have voter ID unless you're trying to cheat? So then the question is, OK, let's say they're not trying to cheat. They just want to make it easy for people that don't have ID to vote. How much of those people are voting that shouldn't be voting? It's not zero. It's not zero. So how much of an effect did it have on the election?

2:38:46I don't know. But here's the thing, Democrats. If that's a fact and it happened in 2020 and maybe it happened in 2024. We don't know. Maybe it'll happen again in 2028. Maybe the Republicans will lock it down. And they'll rig the elections. Do you think that's okay? I don't think that's okay. Right. Well, by the way, remember Bush v. Gore? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's when things turned for me where I was like, mm-mm, I'm out. That was shady. It was so shady and it was so dramatic. It took like a couple weeks to figure out who the president was. Remember that? I do. Yeah. I do. Do you remember Hacking Democracy, the documentary on HBO?

2:39:24No. Ooh, it was really good because it was all about the Diebold systems. And they showed in this documentary that these systems have third-party input. So the idea was that these systems were owned by some large contributor to the Republican Party. And these machines that were in place supposedly on this show, if I remember correctly, they showed that they can affect the election. They showed they could change the numbers with third-party input. And they did it on the show. So at that time, that was supposed to be evidence that the Republicans were capable of rigging the election. And so everyone was supposed to be outraged.

2:40:01Oh, my God, they've hijacked our election process and stolen it. But then in 2020, because it was Trump and he's such a polarizing character that when he said that the election was stolen, everybody's like, this is an affront to our democracy. Never has a president said that the elections weren't fair. That's not even true because Hillary did it in 2016. She said that he wasn't the rightful president, that Russia helped him win. I mean, it's been going on, I think, every almost every election. I think there are people and just like Gore v. Bush, it was like people were so outraged. And it was, you know, we're not going to take this.

2:40:39This cannot be how our elections are held. And, you know, for a moment in time, it felt like, oh, my gosh, they're really going to they're going to redo it all. And then it's every year nothing. Yeah. Every year it's – people are outraged. It seems like it escalates. People love to be outraged. They do. It makes them feel like they're doing something. They enjoy it. They seem to enjoy it. They do. Yeah. A lot of outrage. Well, it gives you a purpose. Yeah. You know, that's part of the thing of being – you know, if you think you're an activist, air quotes, you know, you think you're out there affecting things.

2:41:14And you're out there chanting and screaming and carrying the signs that the NGOs had print up. and you're out there, you know, you've got a purpose because otherwise you'd just be sitting at home watching TikTok. Yeah. Instead, you're out here saving the world. And people can see it. Yeah. But yeah, maybe organize a group to help people get their citizenship, to help people, to help people. Yeah. Organize together to move things forward. Yeah, to help people would be nice. But the citizenship thing is kind of crazy because the borders were wide open for four years. And they just – they invited people into the country essentially, helped them get in, gave them aid.

2:41:53And then once they're in, now the new administration is trying to arrest them and capture them. So both things are crazy. It's crazy that you did this and that you just let these people and told them you can have a better life, come to America. And then it's also crazy that now you've got armed, masked people running up to people asking for your ID to check to see if you're an American. Yeah. Like both things are crazy. Both things crazy. But it's just there's no pathway even if you've been here. Like if you came over here 25 years ago and you've been a great person and you pay your taxes and you raise a family and like there's no pathway.

2:42:32You have to go back to Mexico or go back to Guatemala or wherever you're from. The only way to apply to do it the right way is you have to leave the country, which also seems kind of crazy. Like you've built a life here. Right. It should be some kind of amnesty. Now, I'm not saying that for people that are criminals or people that just got here. There should be some amnesty. No. If you were one of the people that just recently snuck across the border, no. This is crazy. You haven't built a life here. This is going to be hard to – that's a tough system. Yeah. Right? Some people yes and some people no.

2:43:11Oh, it's a tough system. It's definitely a tough system. It's tough. The whole thing is tough. No. Because we're a country that's established by immigrants. Yeah. It feels impossible. But you can't have an open border. You can't just have anybody come through because there's going to be a bunch of criminals that come through. And you don't want that. You don't want your country to be more crime infested. You don't want your country to have murderers and cartel members just coming into the country and now getting citizenship and being able to vote and organizing. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's a good way to destroy your country.

2:43:43Yeah. You have to have some way to vet whether or not people are good people. Yeah. But when you just let everybody in and you let 10 million people in, how do you – unless they get arrested while they're here. Right. What do you do? And even then, like a lot of them during the Biden administration, they were getting let go. Sanctuary cities were letting people go. Because they were overcrowded. It's just crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it's become a part of a political pawn because they just want a bunch of people in these swing states for the census. So they get more congressional seats and if they get these people and give them the ability to vote, now you have a built-in voter base.

2:44:21You can just rig the election. You can rig it that way. I need the white pill. Yeah. Or the grayish white pill. I'm handing out gray pills. We might be okay. That being said, we might be okay. Things are headed in a place. It's possible that we could be OK. But there's a bunch of things that have to happen. But a bunch of things have happened that have allowed us to understand how fucked we are, which is the first step towards fixing it. Admitting you have a problem. The big one was Elon buying Twitter. That was one of the biggest ones of all time. The problem? No, the big solution. Oh, for free speech.

2:44:59We found out when he bought Twitter that the government had been censoring people's speech. Yeah. You can talk to Bobby about that. Crazy. It's crazy. Crazy. Censoring accurate speech by experts from Stanford, MIT, these people that were experts in their fields that say this data does not align with, you know, what you're saying does not align with the truth. And this is what I think. And these people were silenced. They were kicked off Twitter. They lost their careers. It was crazy. And the government orchestrated it. That's not good. We wouldn't have known that if Elon didn't buy Twitter. And you think people would be outraged by that.

2:45:37You think a lot of people would be outraged. On both sides of the aisle. On both sides of the aisle. They should be. Yeah. Free speech being shut down. But people were happy with them doing it as long as it aligned with their values. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. That's not good. None of it's good. No. Yeah. It's like we've got to have some rock solid ethics and morals. and if we don't have that where do we get those? Jesus Jesus has to come back please Jesus if you're going to come back Jesus now's a good time but if he came back everybody's like it's fucking AI they think we're dopes Jesus is like hovering over the pentagon please stop with this war they're like this is nobody believes it yeah that'd be the real problem that's going to be the conundrum Jesus is going to come back when AI hits its full peak no one's going to believe they're going to go what?

2:46:29Ooh, there'll be a few. But then that'll be really divided. It'll be like three people in the rest of the world. It'll be the people that see like the Virgin Mary on a grilled cheese sandwich. Those people. Which, by the way, I've seen pictures. You never know. What a crazy thing. That's how the Virgin Mary wanted to give you a sign right on a grilled cheese sandwich. Yeah. I'm here to let you know. God is real. I'm here. It's like, oh, I was hungry. I wanted to eat that. But now what do you do with it? put it in a baggie. You gotta save it. You can't just eat it. That's crazy. But then what happens?

2:47:06I don't know. Keep it. Show relatives. Keep it in the freezer. I think we're gonna need something something that happens. I hope it's not something bad because one of the things when something bad happens is it unites us. Like 9-11. I know, yeah. 9-11 united us. It did. For a small amount of time people were pretty awesome to each other and we realized that we're really together. Yeah. We're supposed to be one group of people. Yeah. I just hope it doesn't take something like that for us to snap out of this crazy right versus left thing. Because people just pick a side and adopt their pattern of thinking.

2:47:40Yes. They adopt whatever their values are, whatever their opinions are. They just adopt a conglomeration of other people's opinions rather than forming their own. And you can't question anything because if you do, you get cast out. And you have to make clear that the other side is really wrong. And the other side's evil and you're good. Yes. It's good versus evil. It is good versus evil. And with every election, this could be the end of democracy. Oh, every time. Democracy is on the line. This is the – yeah. I get sick of that one. Yeah. Oprah said that when she was running for Conwell. This might be the last time you're ever allowed to vote.

2:48:17Yeah. No. What? Is that on the table? Do you think people are going to tolerate that? for real? Trump's going to be an emperor? I know. It's weird. But that's how they get people riled up and get people to vote. You've got to use hyperbole. You have to make people mad. If Bobby tried to run for president again would you tell him fuck you? There's no way. Would you say look we did this rodeo. Enough dude. He's not going to run again but But if he did, you know, once again, I'm saying he's not running. But I do feel like it would be different because before I knew it was going to be crazy. I didn't know why.

2:49:10It's kind of like having a baby. You know, it's going to be hard, but you're not sure why until you have a baby. And then you're like every night you're hoping your baby lives till tomorrow. And it's a different kind of stress that you had no idea existed. But with Bobby, I know now, I know what they're all up to. I've heard it. I've heard all of the stuff that comes out, the people that come out and they spend all day and night online going to events, trying to get him, attack him, expose him, paint him as this or that. and it was a lot you know that was a lot and at the same time it's so much bullshit that I know now what what to expect like just a lot of bullshit all day every day and no I would know more what to pay attention to and what to um concern myself with because what before it was all coming at you every day, all day.

2:50:22And also my own career, my own friends, my decisions got lumped in with that. So everything changed. Everything was changing all day, every day. And I feel like the changes that have been made wouldn't have to – things have already changed. Some things have changed. So it wouldn't be in that state of chaos every day. Right. It would be a different type of chaos. Yeah, it's definitely chaos. I see why people run again. Because before when I watched people run again, you're watching it and it's just like a dumpster fire. You're thinking there's no way that guy is going to run again. That had to be the worst four years.

2:51:09Hillary, there's no way she can run again. That had to be the worst time of her life. And then they run again. you know and it's did you did there you feel like oh now i understand why because there's almost that idea of like that's all you had you you gave your best shot you pulled out all the stops from 1989 to you know so like they can't say the same bullshit over and over right um so there's that part of it that's like okay and i and it's i'm sure it's intoxicating for some people Yeah. Well, people like winning, too. People like winning. So they want to be the person that's on the TV that says the new president of the United States.

2:51:53They want to be that person. I fucking won. You know? Yeah. That's why people want to win an Oscar. That's why people want to win everything. They want to win. They want to be the person on TV. Everybody says they're a winner. Ah. What about all the presidents before TV? They didn't care. Or, I mean. I don't know. I mean, one of the weirder presidents that was on TV was Eisenhower because when he was leaving office, he told everybody to be careful of the military industrial complex. He warned them on television, his speech to the union. You ever seen that? It's kind of crazy because this guy's, you know, decorated former president.

2:52:38I mean, he's leaving office. And as he's leaving, he's telling people to be careful that you have to be very wary that the military industrial complex wants to go to war and that we have to be very wary about their influence. This is a sitting president. Yeah. Who's announcing it to the nation. I think people are probably like, wait, what? What was that? I feel like that was in the late 50s. When did Eisenhower give that famous speech? 61. 61. Farewell address. It's crazy. You want to see it? Yeah. Let's play that and we'll leave with this because this is kind of nuts. Because this is – this aired on television back then and obviously back then there's no internet.

2:53:23There's no VCRs. There's no nothing. So you saw it or you didn't see it. And that was it. Then you heard it secondhand. Yeah. And whatever opinions you get about it are from your neighbors and that's it. And everybody shared their opinions and it just got washed away. and no one really thought about it until the internet came around and people were allowed to review it. So this is Eisenhower in 61. The vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime.

2:54:05or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. How to do this? Three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience.

2:55:03The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual, is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

2:55:56We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals. Crazy. It is crazy. So it's basically... He was predicting exactly what we're dealing with right now. Which is just like the president should be responsible for keeping our country out of war. Yeah. And, well, also that there's a machine that wants to go to war. Yeah. Because that's how they make money. Because there's more money involved in that than anything. Oh, I've learned a lot about that, too.

2:56:40That's scary. It's pretty crazy. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that. No. No. I've seen some shit, man. I bet you have. Like stuff I did, I don't want to know. Was the most disturbing thing, well, what was the most disturbing thing? For you personally, going through all of it. Oh, for me? Yeah.

2:57:06I think, well, definitely I was worried about Bobby's safety, you know, just watching him. Yeah. Especially, yeah. And so that and then and then for me, you know, I. Everything changed in a lot of in I don't know, people just have was interesting to watch people change their. Attitude about me or, uh, that they I'm not the person they thought I was type of feeling which is strange because I'm still the same person so that was really and still is too a sense very strange yeah but you find out who's real yeah you do that's probably a good thing it's good for someone to betray you like that like oh look at you sweetie see who rises to the top Yeah.

2:58:13Yeah. It's true. It's hard. It's painful though. Yeah. You know, it sucks if you really like that person and all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and also, uh, just, uh, people that don't know you that assume they assume things, uh, that aren't true. I mean, I sound ridiculous. It's like, okay, get in line. Um, But it was different. I just did not expect politics to be such a part of my life. Yeah. I'm still shocked. But, you know, everything's good now. But it was, there were times, and there still are times. But really, the safety, Bobby's safety, was the most stressful. every day all day you know now he travels with the marshals and then that's a and even when we even when he was running and that's why i do write my book um unscripted that uh you know he was trying to get secret service protection for so long and was denied which is also right while i was running yeah which is crazy it was crazy um and then the binding mistress is like nope No.

2:59:42Yeah. Everybody else can have it, but not you. So crazy. Yeah. And then he did get secret service after the assassination attempt on President Trump. But it wasn't for very long because the election was, you know, close anyway. But just that, just having secret service and security around you all the time is crazy. You know, and you learn, and also, you know, what's disturbing, like you learn, you learn what to look for and what to do in an emergency and what, you know, things that you would never really. things that you wouldn't think about but then now you walk into a room and you look at people and you're like okay that guy's sweating a lot for no reason you look to see what's suspicious what's going on what's yeah and you see things differently and it's just like you have to have your guard up for the kooks yeah a lot of kooks there are a lot of kooks yeah and you know this is a conversation we had recently like i think they've weaponized those kooks they make these people think that they're doing something important yeah you know and there's there was a lot of talk like that like someone needs to step up and do something like what what are you saying like what do you what the right what the fuck are you saying right right yeah like imagine advocating for that and being thinking you're on the good side yeah you should do something yeah but the only solution is assassination someone needs to do that yeah yeah i'm glad we're glad we're leaving this on i know yeah well it's it's um it is an undeniably bizarre time you know this is a bizarre time and again i think it's uniquely bizarre today because we know more about what's really going on than ever before yeah you know we know more about the behind the scenes stuff than ever before And just there's.

3:01:49Yeah. But it's about who do you believe? That's the thing. Well, once again, that's why people really like your show, because. You're not trying to win anything. You're not trying to get anything. That's why people really respond to it. I think people need some kind of uncensored, uncontrolled discourse. There's hardly any out there. No. Most of it is controlled by advertisers. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just not good. Yeah. All my friends who do shows where they're on some sort of a show, you have to – you get notes. People come in. You got to cut this out. Can't talk about that. Don't bring this up.

3:02:38This is going to piss off that company that's going to do this. Yeah. It's not good for us. Yeah. And that's the beautiful thing about the internet. Like this is a thing that they never saw coming. And this is what's so important about Elon owning Twitter. You know, he just turned it into the Wild West. Like go crazy. Yeah. That's what we need. That's the only – you get a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of – everyone's going to get tricked a few times. But for the most part, reality resurfaces. So that's our white pill. I'm going to try to remember that. For the most part, reality resurfaces. Yeah, when you try to squash it for a long time, no matter what, eventually it pops up.

3:03:19You go, oh, this is real. Yeah, because there's only one truth, right? There are a lot of different lies, lies, lies. But then one truth, and if it, like you're saying, keeps coming up, it's really hard to deny. Yeah, the problem is like with government, the truth is so difficult to understand. There's so much going on. There's so many moving pieces. You're like, okay, well, why is that happening? Well, who's doing that? Well, why is that? why'd they make that decision in the first place? Well, what happened to that ruler? How did he get kicked out of office? We funded that? Like, oh, God. Yeah.

3:03:50And it's just so, the rabbit hole goes so deep. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why people get so obsessed with all this stuff because you could lose your mind just chasing down every single story. Yeah. Or just make a new one. Make your own. It's easier for them. Just make a new one. You don't have to worry about the facts and what's real. It's just like, oh, did you hear about? Unscripted. You did the audio for it? I did. That's awesome. My sister says to play it at least one speed faster. Your sister's telling you? That's like a subtle way of her saying you're boring. Why are you talking so slowly?

3:04:32Oh, that's funny. But yeah, it's interesting. I mean, of course, I hope I think it's interesting because I wrote it. But yeah, there's definitely stuff about Curb, stuff about Bobby, the politics. Bobby before politics, Bobby after politics. It's great. It's a wild ride. All right. Well, thank you very much, Cheryl. I really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you so much. It was a lot of fun. Me too. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Bye. Bye.

3:05:08Now that we usually suit suit Peki I'm talking about just Vietnam la Anti-Rest and she makes rental