#2455 - Donnell Rawlings

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8:23Donnell Rawlings:That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors use nicotine. A lot of academics use nicotine. A lot of people that rely on their brain, a lot of writers use nicotine. And there's different delivery methods that have different effects. Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent instantaneous effect. And that's why people like it. But it comes with a cost. The physical health repercussions of cigarettes are well known. Not good. And also, you're smoking Marlboros. We had a doctor on the other day that thinks that regular cigarettes are not nearly, like American spirits, are not nearly as bad for you.

9:03Joe Rogan:I understand that they have some type of, the American spirits, I'm not even advocating for what you shouldn't smoke. But they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a thing. Just tobacco, I believe.

9:16Donnell Rawlings:Is that a fact? Nope. No? What's in there besides tobacco? I don't know. I've been trying. I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive free and all that. Oh, did they? Yeah. What are the additives? I've not decided. Well, let's look into it. I've tried to look. I mean, there's a big, here's like the website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation? That, here you go. It's on the screen. Here we go. Lawsuit questions natural claims. Natural American spirit cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company Reynolds America.

9:48Donnell Rawlings:R.J. Reynolds, they fuck with you. American spirits has been sold in the U.S. since 1985. Under the original name, Original American Spirit. Organic. Oh, you got us. He fucks. Unadulterated tobacco. Sue claims such marketing language has endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarette sales declining 17 percent between 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales have increased 86 percent over the same period. Huzzah. A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best-selling cigarette brand.

10:31Donnell Rawlings:priced higher than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all-natural additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco. But words like all-natural and additive-free on American Spirits labeling, the suit says, belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives, with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands.

11:02Joe Rogan:So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes?

11:04Donnell Rawlings:100%. I get high off of them because I don't smoke them all the time. So if I smoke a couple cigarettes a week, it's a lot.

11:11Joe Rogan:And Newport's probably like 10 times worse than menthol cigarettes, probably 10 times worse for your body.

11:18Donnell Rawlings:I was talking to Cat about that. Yeah, I was asking him, like, why do you like menthols? and he's like he was speaking on behalf of the black community he said we like things that are

11:29Joe Rogan:more potent i believe that that's possible part of it but i also believe that back in the day and this supply i don't know if i talked about this it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it yeah and i think newports was targeting i don't know if it was a situation when newport came out they were spending more ad money with advertising and everything, because I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that where they targeted the black community. So I think even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever.

12:03Joe Rogan:And I think it's generation and generation. Like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper. I think that that might be the case with Newport.

12:10Donnell Rawlings:Probably both. What is the menthol effect? What is the difference in the way menthol cigarettes work?

12:17Joe Rogan:I sound like Cat Williams in that story. That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to it. Some people think that I started smoking Marlboro Lights because I started dating white women, which is more appealing. Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest, then she's probably smoking Newports and drinking Pepsis and Coca-Cola just like you. But I got so many bad habits that I need to change.

12:44Donnell Rawlings:Here we go. And our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, says the menthol-affected cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco. Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants. It can also be made synthetically in a lab. Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke. It's a mild anesthetic numbing effect that reduces pain and irritation from hot, harsh cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother. Menthol can suppress the cough reflex and dull early warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more deeply and more often.

13:26Donnell Rawlings:Menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine and smoke. The minty taste and smell plus the cooling feel act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving. Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects. In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, masks irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer.

14:01Joe Rogan:So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette. It's cool. It's cooling. It makes so much sense why the brand cool cigarette because that makes sense. Right.

14:12Donnell Rawlings:That's why they're called it cool, I bet.

14:14Joe Rogan:Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man?

14:17Donnell Rawlings:Destroy everybody. Yeah. They don't give a fuck about anybody. Cool ain't cold. Half ain't wide body ain't soul. Mild ain't bold. Cool ain't cool. Newport is. Oh, because that was like a take on cools because people used to smoke cools.

14:33Joe Rogan:Do cools exist anymore? In jail. Only in jail? I think that I don't know what the ratio of what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game. But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they're like, man, I got a pack. I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something. But the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison. Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison?

15:00Donnell Rawlings:That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison.

15:02Joe Rogan:Yeah. You can't get alcohol, right? Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their own type of—

15:09Donnell Rawlings:But it's all under the table. Yeah. Yeah.

15:11Joe Rogan:But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value, I think it's Tang, right? It's that artificial flavored drink you do. I think that it's—

15:24Donnell Rawlings:Astronaut shit.

15:25Joe Rogan:Yep. Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard honey buns hold the value. And I heard candy bars. But candy bars, you got to be particular with that because if you offer—this is what I hear. If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

15:46Donnell Rawlings:Interesting. Yeah. Candy bars. Yeah.

15:48Joe Rogan:Like you, I don't think. Do you want some candy bars? And that's like code. Yeah. It's like candy bars. Like Pizzagate. Yeah. Like pizza. Mr.

15:54Donnell Rawlings:Good Bar for this good bar. Oh, okay.

15:56Joe Rogan:I think this is only, not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore. Not too often. These are the stories that they tell. Interesting. Yeah. And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk. But these are the conversations that I have, that I've heard people have.

16:16Donnell Rawlings:It's interesting how different brands market to different people. And I mean, how do they figure it out? Like, what do they work? Like, that's where it's evil, right? Like, advertising itself, I don't have a problem with. But there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal.

16:37Joe Rogan:You know well they do a history on what? People like I was watching or reading the story about the people that started forever 21 I forget what the brand was it was some Koreans from South Korea not to be confused with Kim Jung In those people, but they were tellers of something They started a small boutique and what they would do was they would have these clothing pieces of clothes and they would really paid particular attention to what colors people like um what was uh selling the most whatever and that's what they buy and one of the things that made forever 21 so popular because they had really inexpensive these clothes weren't expensive but they was turning them over so quick you know so people do do case studies and see what people uh attracted to i know with um with black people, you put lemon pepper on anything, it's going to go out the roof.

17:34Joe Rogan:You can do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything lemon pepper, they're going to go. I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper anything, black people are going to buy it.

17:44Donnell Rawlings:That's interesting how white people are associated with very bland foods. You know, macaroni cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise.

17:54Joe Rogan:And you know why you're connected with that blandness? Because of the way you pronounced it. macaroni and cheese you'd never ever say if you tell somebody if you say and you would be able to be invited to the cookout joe you know people like you if you say hey guys i'm coming to the cookout right and i'm bringing macaroni and cheese you're going to get uninvited to the cookout

18:18Donnell Rawlings:what how should i say mac and cheese mac and cheese yeah you can't say macaroni and cheese

18:23Joe Rogan:Nobody ever does that.

18:25Donnell Rawlings:Okay.

18:25Joe Rogan:They would look at you as a spy. You would get invited and be uninvited.

18:29Donnell Rawlings:Well, I'm a different type of white person because I'm Italian, and we're associated with spicy food, very strong flavors. Yeah, but. It's a different, like, Italian people don't like bland food. They like very spicy, very flavorful food.

18:43Joe Rogan:I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue. You'd be like, I'm bringing ziti, right?

18:47Donnell Rawlings:I would say baked ziti, yeah, because there's different kinds of ziti. You know, the ziti that you bake and the ziti that you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on. I will say this.

18:58Joe Rogan:As much as, you know, community make fun of white people and their lack of seasoning, that can save your life.

19:08Donnell Rawlings:Lack of seasoning can save your life? Yeah. How so?

19:11Joe Rogan:When you think about, you look at somebody, one of the most country, home-cooked soul food spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. Salt's not bad for you at all.

19:26Donnell Rawlings:It's all bullshit.

19:26Joe Rogan:Then why do we think salt is high-plug pressure?

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20:48Donnell Rawlings:It's bullshit.

20:49Joe Rogan:What type of salt?

20:51Donnell Rawlings:Is it a different salt?

20:51Joe Rogan:Is it like?

20:52Donnell Rawlings:No. Salt's not bad for you. Well, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you because it contains iodine. They add iodine to it, which is good for you. But salt is not a bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you could die.

21:09Joe Rogan:Joe, you can't be the person to educate me with this. So all of these years, these people getting their toes chopped off. That's not why. That's not why.

21:18Donnell Rawlings:If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar. You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the sugar industry. So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists. It was Harvard, right? I believe it was. They didn't even give them a lot of money. Was it the 1950s or 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember? So this has all been outed now. But what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease. And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar because sugar is fucking terrible for you.

22:00Donnell Rawlings:It's terrible in basically every way, especially added sugar.

22:03Joe Rogan:So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more more happening in the black community than it's diet? It's diet. It's diet. It's 100 percent.

22:14Donnell Rawlings:It's processed food. It's diet. It's sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the amount of sugar. Like if you say if you drink like a one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is. OK, let's find out how much sugar is in a one liter Pepsi. If you drink several of these a day, one of them, I believe, is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day.

22:36Joe Rogan:Pepsi is the one.

22:37Donnell Rawlings:And that's why it could be Coca-Cola, could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew. I think it's 100 percent. Pick your poison. I think it's 100 percent Pepsi. Well, Pepsi's, I don't know, does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca-Cola? I don't know. You know, Coca-Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine, Leaf. Sugar content, 115, 123 grams in a one liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. God damn. That's 130%, 138 % of the recommended daily value of sugar. that's that's where people are getting type 2 diabetes they're getting it from excess sugar specifically excess sugar like in a liquid form your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that like even orange juice right like people think orange juice is good for you it's not like drinking orange juice yeah you're gonna get some vitamin d but you're also gonna vitamin c rather but you're also gonna get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.

23:41Joe Rogan:But is it a different type of sugar in fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter?

23:46Donnell Rawlings:You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup. You know, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber. And that's a slow release sugar. Like if you eat an apple, and apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar.

24:02Joe Rogan:Apples were bad for Adam.

24:06Donnell Rawlings:I don't even know if it was an apple. It was a fruit. It was a fruit from the tree of knowledge. It was an apple. It was an apple. But it wasn't an apple tree. What specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit? Adam and Eve. You know the truth? What? Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.

24:33Joe Rogan:This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to him.

24:39Donnell Rawlings:it all started genesis does not specifically specify rather what kind of fruit adam ate only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil yeah so it's not necessarily an apple we call it an apple uh the text never names the species apple fig etc the hebrew word is peri a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail where the apple idea came from over time Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. Now common idea is that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly.

25:25Donnell Rawlings:So it's not necessarily an apple.

25:27Joe Rogan:I really don't know what to believe. I feel like I get so much more information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that.

25:34Donnell Rawlings:Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible, that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil. I never knew that. Yeah. I just knew it was a white woman with an apple and his shit got fucked up after that. What happened was God created Adam. This is what Genesis says. God created Adam and then told Adam, go and name all the animals. And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve. But he never said, it never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple.

26:13Donnell Rawlings:Who's given us this misinformation? Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever. So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down. Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was written down in ancient Hebrew. It was written down in Aramaic. Aramaic. And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first, they translated it to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek and all these other, maybe Greek first. I forget which one was first, but either way, the translations miss a lot of the language. It's very complicated.

26:50Donnell Rawlings:Ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language and numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their words have a numerical value to them.

27:01Joe Rogan:What do you think makes people so connected to the Bible? Is it because of wanting to believe in something?

27:11Donnell Rawlings:Definitely wanting to believe in something. And then specifically, if you look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life. I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community. It reinforces community. It's like a really good way to live your life. So I think people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings. So that makes it reinforced. But it's also people – there's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them. People want to believe things.

27:45Donnell Rawlings:People want to believe in things even if you – like Scientology. People deeply believe in Scientology and we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bad science fiction author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books. like that guy would just bang books out he never rewrote shit he everything was a first draft just just clank he wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived and he also wrote

28:09Joe Rogan:scientology and people believe in it i do believe i think people like you say people want to if your life is fucked up whatever they want to be able to say okay this is my savior if i believe in this it's going to get me on the right track 100 and then with that with these like uh druski just did a skit that went viral, right? And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything. But these churches, like, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people. Do you think that there should be a separation? If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled to, like, okay, almost like agencies.

28:53Joe Rogan:If I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off? Or the megachurches, is it so wrong for me just to pour all their money to them? Or are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?

29:05Donnell Rawlings:I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things. And I think they're very predatory. And I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches. And they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. You know, I think it's a scam that's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal. I mean, you're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in and you're asking for all their money. Like I remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like televangelists are the worst.

29:43Donnell Rawlings:And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church and it will be paid back to you tenfold. that God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it, and they would call in and say, I was$1 ,000 in debt and this and that, but I borrowed$100 and I donated it to you, and now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls Royce. It's all horseshit.

30:06Joe Rogan:But those are all desperate people.

30:10Donnell Rawlings:Desperate people.

30:10Joe Rogan:Those are the same people that I'm going to spend$30 on the lottery every day for like fucking 50 years and don't know how much time I'm going to spend. That's another scam. That's another scam.

30:18Donnell Rawlings:Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not only does – like say if everyone pumps money into the lottery. Say you buy$100 worth of tickets and Jamie buys$100 worth of tickets and I buy$100. So there's$300 in the lottery. There's not even$300 available if you win. And then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of time. But they always give you options. Right, right, right. But if you take the second option, it's a significantly – like here's a good example of it. Speaking of the Epstein files, his company Zorro Trust. I didn't like that transition.

30:58Joe Rogan:You looked me right in my eyes and said, speaking of the Epstein files. Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast.

31:02Donnell Rawlings:No, you were talking about— Epstein came to see you. No, Epstein did not fucking come to see me. They loved your show. Yo. He was a number one fan. First of all, I never— You don't know. Look, they came to West Palm Improv because you're a famous comedian, and you were playing in the town where he lived. So what are you saying? Nothing. But what I'm saying is that— I'm actually— What I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zorro Trust, won an$80 million lottery. And then they took the payoff, and the payoff was only$30 million.

31:36Joe Rogan:What do you mean from a ticket, or you mean in corporation? What do you mean when you say—

31:40Donnell Rawlings:His company bought a ticket for the lottery. Yes, Zorro Trust, which is his company. They won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he was arrested for. Sexual handjobs, whatever it was. There's nothing wrong with a sexual handjob. No, but when they're underage, girls probably not. Oh, I didn't know that. So then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff. The payoff out of an$80 million payment, the$80 million jackpot was only$30 million. So if you want the money, you take 30.

32:18Donnell Rawlings:So not only did they take 50 out of the 80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets. It's way more than 80 million. So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the over 30 years.

32:36Joe Rogan:It doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes. They never can lose.

32:39Donnell Rawlings:They can't lose. It's stealing money from people that are desperate. It's legalized gambling where the house always wins. Like, let's find that out. Like, let's say, let's find an average jackpot of megabucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.

33:03Joe Rogan:So when this, all lottos are state regulated, right? Right? I don't know. I don't know who regulates them. So they get, say, they get$100 million from people trying to win a billion dollars. It's because the state regulates. Do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they - The lotto? No.

33:25Donnell Rawlings:It's the state. Or the government owns it. So it's a whatever the - not only that, you pay taxes on it. So say if you get that - The winner pays taxes. Yeah, yeah, of course. So say if you take that$30 million payout, you don't even get$30 million. Then you have to pay taxes on that$30 million. So they get money from that, too. They can't fucking lose.

33:43Joe Rogan:But for a person that's never seen, barely seen$1 ,000 anywhere, anything with a million, they're going to be excited about it and take it before you win. Exactly.

33:51Donnell Rawlings:Exactly. And over time, most people are not going to win. So most people are dumping money into it.

33:57Joe Rogan:There was a story of a young lady. I don't know exactly what it was. I think she won some type of lottery where they gave her two options. She would get, I think it was like a payout of like two or three million right up front. Or they give her, I think it was like$20 ,000 every month for as long as she lived.

34:17Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, that's how they do it.

34:18Joe Rogan:And she did this. Well, people think that it's kind of crazy. But if you consider the fact that she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy probably, she was white. So she probably lived to 132. You know what I'm saying? She looked like, that was a smart, a lot of people would not understand that. That was a smart thing.

34:34Donnell Rawlings:I don't think it's for the rest of your life. I think it's until it reaches that number. I don't think they're going to give you money for the rest of your life.

34:41Joe Rogan:Well, maybe I was reading the headline.

34:43Donnell Rawlings:Maybe it's a different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of.

34:45Joe Rogan:Maybe. I think it was something as long as she lives.

34:47Donnell Rawlings:That sounds crazy.

34:49Joe Rogan:Yeah.

34:49Donnell Rawlings:All right, here it is. Typical Mega Millions jackpot run. Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot. But there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still, you can get a good ballpark. So around 50 % of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. So the government makes 50 % right off the bat. So if it's$100 million payout, they already made$100 million. So that's$200 million is what they made. They throw in$100 million for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly two-thirds to three-quarters is allocated to the jackpot with the rest funding lower-tier prizes.

35:28Donnell Rawlings:So that means even if there's$200 million, out of$100 million, only two-thirds of it goes into the big jackpot. And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one-third of total ticket sales that run. And then out of that one-third, so say if it's$100 million, or with the Epstein case, it was$80 million. He took the payout, which was$30 million. So they make$50 on top of that. And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that$30. It's a crazy scam. What do they do with the money?

35:59Joe Rogan:Whatever the fuck they want. I think they probably, I think that in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money.

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38:13Donnell Rawlings:I know back in Boston when I lived there, Whitey Bulger won. See if this is true. I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy.

38:23Joe Rogan:Whitey Bulger? Who was that?

38:24Donnell Rawlings:Whitey Bulger was a South Boston mob boss in the 1980s when I lived there. The 1980s and 90s. A mob boss? Yeah. He was a dangerous, dangerous guy. He was the guy that that movie that Leonardo DiCaprio starred in. with Jack Nicholson. What was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bulger? The Departed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, The Departed. Yeah. Okay. That was based on Whitey Bulger. He was a gangster? Oh, yeah. Terrifying gangster. Yeah. What was his demise? He was actually a fucking FBI informant. Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI, and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus.

39:10Joe Rogan:I think there's a different, I mean...

39:12Donnell Rawlings:They wound up catching him in Santa Monica. Well, I've found that. Hunting Whitey. About that Whitey Bulger won the Mass Millions lottery about that time. Yeah. Yeah, he won the fucking lottery, man. So this is what it says here. What does it say? I think it was more of a scheme than he actually won. But it's always taking money. It's probably a way to, like, launder money. Yeah. Oh, 100%. It's a way to launder money. So the way it would work was, like, say if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket and then he would get it.

39:49Donnell Rawlings:And that way it would show that this is where he got his income from. Like these guys would all own businesses. But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses. But really these businesses were scams.

40:06Joe Rogan:My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years and come to find out he was a heroin kingpin in D.C. for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's selling real estate, all right? That's hilarious.

40:18Donnell Rawlings:So he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying$2.3 million in cash for 50 % of the winnings. Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky$700 ,000, although Linsky lost money in the deal. He really had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually works. So he was a snitch. Whitey was a snitch, yeah. He was a snitch and he got caught in Santa Monica.

40:47Joe Rogan:Snitch or whistleblower? There is a difference. No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions like corporate America. But what I'm finding out—

40:55Donnell Rawlings:No, he wasn't a whistleblower. He was an actual snitch because he was turning other people in. But he was a kingpin.

41:01Joe Rogan:Is this true? And I don't want to make everything about race. Is that phrase snitches, gets snitches more prevalent in the white community or the black community or is it across the board?

41:12Donnell Rawlings:I think it's across the board, isn't it? Like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something. Like when cops come and question people.

41:21Joe Rogan:I don't know if that's the truth anymore because what I'm—

41:22Donnell Rawlings:Not anymore. But that was the thing with the mafia too. Yeah. The mob would never rat out. The guys would just go to jail.

41:27Joe Rogan:It's interesting now because now I see, like, especially in my community, so many people like rat. I got the paperwork and everything. And now it feels like that motto of being loyal is dead. Like people now, they get in court with shit. In a minute they get in court, they snitch on everybody. Right. And there's no repercussions when they come home. There's no repercussions. I don't see that as much. I see so many people that are like, they saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever. And they still out here just living their lives normal like nothing fucking happened.

42:02Donnell Rawlings:Well, with the mob, it was always like if you ratted on the mob, you were a dead man. You were a dead man. Your family was probably dead. They burned your house down. And people kept their mouth shut because of that. And so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth. And they would be rewarded when they would get out. And they'd have a party for them, celebrate. That's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut. You never said nothing. That was the whole thing. But the whole thing, I used to live by. That changed, though, like with John Gotti. Like the government. Did he snitch?

42:31Donnell Rawlings:No, Sammy the Bull. Sammy the Bull. And it wasn't just them. Everyone was snitching on everybody. It's like they got these guys. We had Donnie Brasco in the studio. From what? That Johnny Depp movie? It was called Donnie Brasco. Okay. I'm not confused. What's Donnie Brasco's real name? Joe... I'm not confused. Bronx Tale. That's not Bronx Tale. Joe Pistone. Joe Pistone. That's nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right? No, different story. That's a different story. Yeah. So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was he was an agent and he pretended to be a mob guy. And he got in with the mob and was with him for like seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob and then sold everybody out and they all went under.

43:20Joe Rogan:Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so did this. The culture, everything is there used to be a phrase snitches get stitches. Now, I don't know if this is everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything. That's normal. Why? But you know what? It's interesting. Your platform is not known for that. No. Your platform. But I go to these other platforms, and I don't know. I think these guys, these people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do?

44:04Donnell Rawlings:They're in a different game than me. All right? Their game is trying to get engagement. My game is talking to people that are interesting.

44:10Joe Rogan:Doesn't that become, I don't want to be triggering anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while? 100%. And do you, have you noticed, especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with podcasts. It used to be a time where, like you say, a person would go on a podcast because it was interesting. They told funny stories. Right. Or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms, and I don't know, that's just in my community. When I say that, black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people.

44:47Joe Rogan:Right. And motherfuckers are going away from being funny when you get interviewed. Like every fucking podcast I turn on now is somebody, I'm exposed this person. I'm going to tell this about what you didn't know. And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. Are those days over?

45:10Donnell Rawlings:No, no, no, no. Those people that do that are almost always not very talented. almost always. The only exception to that is Kat. And I think what Kat was doing was different because what Kat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars.

45:28Joe Rogan:It's a different thing. Okay. Okay. This is my question. Okay. This is my question. Okay. I want to say this. This is what I'm saying, Joe. What are you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like this. No disrespect or whatever to Kat, but like, who asked you?

45:52Donnell Rawlings:Shannon Sharp did when he did that podcast.

45:56Joe Rogan:Shannon Sharp might have asked one question.

45:58Donnell Rawlings:But Shannon Sharp likes that. Like, in his podcast, he likes a lot of that. His people, they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper. He's got questions of people.

46:08Joe Rogan:Joe, what do you do with those truths? what do you do we're talking about I watched this is a horrible impression I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up to Diddy's house and they came down and they were standing up I'm trying to figure out what the fuck do you get out of that what is the result of that you expose these people to say what Hollywood is never going to fucking change you know what changes like what you do I left fucking Hollywood. Hollywood's not going to change. And I'm not saying I went to a ditty party. First off, I was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules.

46:51Joe Rogan:You know? Right. But what is the purpose of exposing something that you know?

46:56Donnell Rawlings:I don't think most people are exposing. What most people are doing when they're being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person they're talking shit about.

47:06Joe Rogan:Like whenever I see someone that's talking about you don't you say that and you use Kat Williams as an example So when you said they're just first of all when Kat did it was very funny

47:18Donnell Rawlings:Which is very funny. Kat's a very funny guy Very when he was doing it I think he was also being very funny while he was doing which is different

47:26Joe Rogan:Well, you have to put an lol on the end of it because people might not understand this humor because this is what this is Connection people have they this is what they said the connection they have with Kat This is what they say. And they ride with him. They say, where is the lie? Where is the lie and all this stuff? But I'm just trying to understand what is the purpose of exposing all this stuff? What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that Diddy liked to have fucking freak parties with baby all this? What the fuck do we do with all this information? Well, Diddy's in jail right now, so they did that with the information.

47:57Joe Rogan:Well, Diddy's in jail for doing something that a lot of people... Let me tell you something, Joe. Tell me something. I was riding with Diddy for once. I liked the music he did or anything. I don't know Diddy like that. But when I first read the definition of sex trafficking, right? I'm sure you're a first person. You're smart. The definition of sex trafficking, to transport a woman across state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her.

48:29Donnell Rawlings:Right.

48:29Joe Rogan:When you're paying them. It's trafficking is. No, that's not. Actually, my... Really? This is my... Jamie, you can pull this up. Wait a minute.

48:39Donnell Rawlings:So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California, that's sex trafficking? And I'm thinking about... I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true at all. I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship with. In the streets, they call it fluid out. Fluid out. Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that. But that's the definition. It's commercial sex act. Yeah, commercial. Commercial sex act. induced by force, fraud, or coercion. Huh, well, coercion's crazy. Because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag.

49:11Donnell Rawlings:That's sex trafficking. That's a date. So, like, if a girl, right, if there's a girl, she's like, what are you going to do for me? Like, you know those shoes you want? I got those shoes for you. Let's go shopping. Like, that's kind of sex trafficking if that's coercion for money. Like, if a girl's thinking about coming out to visit you, and then you go, listen, listen, listen. What are you looking for? What do you want to buy? I got money. Come on, let's go shopping. That kind of would fall into that category. But we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in hand. The reason why these comedians are negative.

49:44Donnell Rawlings:No, no, no, no. You're not going to get in trouble for sex trafficking. Listen, that's all horse shit. But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on. Never.

49:56Joe Rogan:One thousand percent. One thousand percent. And you know what it is, Joe? And they're never good. You know what it is, too, Joe? is that deep down inside, they want to be that person.

50:08Donnell Rawlings:100%. Or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it.

50:13Joe Rogan:I'll use this. I'll tell you this story. I realize, not to say names, but there's so many people that could be guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturbs me, is that a lot of these people that bitch the most, they at some point in their career they were favored by Hollywood. Yes. At some point in their career they had these opportunities. At some point in their career guess what they had the agencies they had the agents and something happened in their career where they fell out of favor for whatever you want to call that it. Whatever you want to call that for whatever maybe something they did agency didn't like it too much and now everything that they wrote on everything they wanted to do now it's all that's fucked up and the only way you get this opportunity because it has to be sexual favors and all that type of shit.

51:04Joe Rogan:And where the fuck you draw the line? But it's not even sexual favors.

51:07Donnell Rawlings:It's like they criticize the work of the other person. That person ate shit. That person sucks.

51:12Joe Rogan:Can I, can I? Yo, there's, here's the thing.

51:15Donnell Rawlings:There was. Come on, you get this all the time because you ride with Dave and Dave's number one, right? So you always get this label, even though you're a great comic, You get this label being a coattail rider.

51:28Joe Rogan:Right. And guess what? Everybody don't. This is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman. I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Because Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman. And the reason why I say this is what I get. And I'm telling you this, Joe. I don't know if this gum is kicking in. this is what this is what fucks me up Joe this is what fucks me up and I'll tell you example I'm gonna give you example don't give me examples I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you why because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now Kill Tony?

52:08Donnell Rawlings:you mean the greatest comedy show of all time? in the history of the known universe?

52:13Joe Rogan:I know that but there's a lot of lies involved listen this is what they say don't pay attention to what they say Yo, listen.

52:21Donnell Rawlings:Why are you doing that? Yo, you told me. What are you playing?

52:23Joe Rogan:The best things that the Kill Tony audience say about me. Um, Chappelle's butt plug is acting up again. Oh, God.

52:30Donnell Rawlings:Yo, I got to deal with this shit. What is so hard? No. Well, you got to stop paying attention to it. It's so hard. Do you know what would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have?

52:41Joe Rogan:Yeah. I would go crazy. You would. Do you think that you paid attention to those haters? Now, you're in a position right now. You have so many reasons to say fuck them. Do you feel like you had that same belief when you was first starting this? Did you engage them then?

52:54Donnell Rawlings:Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days because I didn't understand. What you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives. Right. And they're negative. And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, Okay, well, what I need to do is be undeniable so these critics mean nothing to me because you can't. I'm killing. The audience loves me. I'm selling out everywhere. I'm doing great on stage. You can't pay attention. You know what?

53:24Joe Rogan:You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt. You had a bad show. You had one bad show. I never had.

53:32Donnell Rawlings:You had a bad show. You had a bad show.

53:34Joe Rogan:Please don't do this to me. You did. You had that one bad show where you went back and forth. I did not fucking have a bad show.

53:39Donnell Rawlings:Did you walk off the show? Listen, man. Sit the fuck down.

53:45Joe Rogan:Sit the fuck down. I did not fucking walk off the show. You want me to play it back? Please don't do this.

53:52Donnell Rawlings:You were a little drunk. No, please don't do this. Who was the comic? Who was the comic?

53:55Joe Rogan:I don't know his name.

53:57Donnell Rawlings:We don't need to bring his up. Whoever that dude is, he's funny. See, now you're doing this.

54:01Joe Rogan:You know what you're doing. You're being a provocateur. You're provoking me because we broke this shit down. And I don't want to keep going through this. I didn't think of this when I was wearing this shirt. I'll change the shirt. No, it's okay. Put something over. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt. Let's break it down, Joe. No, we don't have to. We have to. You started this shit. All right? Thank you. I'm going to change my shirt right now. It's like, I didn't have a bad show.

54:28Donnell Rawlings:You definitely didn't have a great show, right? When you walk off, it's not good. Jesus Christ, God.

54:37Joe Rogan:I'm doing it. I feel like Carrie. They're all going to laugh at me. They're going to laugh at me. It wasn't this for the last fucking time, Joe. For the last fucking time. And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation that some people call a bad show. I never wanted to do this show. But you came back on. You had a good show, right? I want to go back. Let's rewind. All right? And this is, you were a part of it. Hey, look. I changed my shirt. No more triggering. I appreciate that. Shout out to Benny the Jet. Okay, I feel a lot better now. So, oh boy. I need another piece of gum. I'm going to say this.

55:20Joe Rogan:Say what it's worth. First off, I did not want, the first time I did it here in Austin. Right. I didn't want to do the show. Okay. And the reason why I didn't want to do the show, now you're not even paying attention to me. You want a cigar? Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I didn't want to do the show and I'll tell you why because the streets say I'm sensitive you are a little sensitive can I not have your opinion and just listen to me please they know I'm sensitive it was during the pandemic Joe you remember people would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it and you had your thing doing they would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID, and that they would leave Tony stranded, and he had no good guests.

56:11I was here, right? This one, when I'm talking about the time when Tony had a black band.

56:20Joe Rogan:He still has a black band. All black. There's a couple black people on there now. Me too. I think it's mostly black, right? Okay. I want to tell a story. This is the last time I'm going to talk about it. Deep Madness? I mean, name them all up. This is the last time, Joe. I want to tell the truth.

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58:01Joe Rogan:Look at the old, when it was all, not high production and all that type shit. Tony was like, it's hard for me to get a guess, would you stay? And this is when you fucked me up the last time you wasn't playing fair. Yes, you did. I wasn't playing fair? No, I'm telling you when you weren't playing fair. When was I not playing fair? Can I talk? Please. All I want to do, I don't know if I got a raise in my hand. I just want to be able to speak. It is my month. It's my fucking month. So Tony said, would you stay? Come on. I was like, you know. And I stayed, right? And I stayed. And I stayed. I was on the show for two and a half hours.

58:34Joe Rogan:I told him, this is where it gets all crazy. I told him I had something I was supposed to do later. There was another black comic that was on the show. He started roasting me. I had no problem with that. I had no problem with him roasting me. But I felt fucked up because it was only me, him. And I was trying to give this guy some sound advice. But the only way he thought he was going to get off was by fucking me. So I was like, yo, why you fucking me? We on the fucking same team. What they did was look at the fucking video. Okay. You see? I want you to slow it down. Slow it down. Slow the video down.

59:08Joe Rogan:It's like a Zapruder film. Back to the left. You're going to let me forget my thought, Joe. Sorry. It's so easy for me to get distracted. Just hang in with me. Want another piece of gum?

59:22Joe Rogan:So if you look at this video, you see him saying something to me. And then when I leave, it's two different fucking comics on the fucking stage. It's a dude that I was roasting, and then they showed me the exit. And then these Kill Tony bitch-ass motherfuckers, and I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They may all down there walked up. I didn't walk off I had some other shit to do and in the last episode you and your boy Tony he caught here and Tony doubled down on it and he said no that's not what happened of course them comment motherfuckers the ones that be putting cringe on it they roll with it okay then I came back

1:00:02Donnell Rawlings:came back you had an amazing show Tony said it was one of the best shows

1:00:06Joe Rogan:you know why it was amazing because you were ready

1:00:10Donnell Rawlings:I'm amazing

1:00:11Joe Rogan:you are amazing but also you wanted to get it back. Right? I didn't have... You know what? This is what Redman said to me. Redman. Redman. Whatever the fuck his name is. Different human being. He changed too. I'm going to tell you about it. Why is he in the Wu-Tang class? Let me tell you. I'm going to tell you the difference between him and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right? Okay. How they're divas now. And I know you seem different. Jamie? My Jamie's a diva? Yes. He has a false memory of something already. I'll let him go. Jamie is the last thing from a fucking diva.

1:00:40Joe Rogan:He said that was a hair job. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end. Well, maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie. Yo, let me tell you. This is Jamie. I know Jamie better than his mom. I know. But this is a Jamie I saw. At Kill Tony after party. Sit down. You're not on camera.

1:00:56Donnell Rawlings:Okay. It was also Saturday night. Okay.

1:00:58Joe Rogan:He had a leather jacket on. Don't have a leather jacket. Jamie had a leather jacket. He didn't call it a leather jacket. Whatever it was.

1:01:04Donnell Rawlings:You own a leather jacket? No. Wait, wait, wait.

1:01:06Joe Rogan:Wait.

1:01:07Donnell Rawlings:The collar was flipped up. You have any false memory.

1:01:09Joe Rogan:Joe, the collar was flipped up. Like dice. And then he had the shirt. You might have had Timmy no breaks. I think he's confusing. Timmy no breaks. He had the shirt open to this button right here. Oh, right. Gold chains. And he was sitting there. I don't know what type of moose. Jimmy had gold chains, boots on his hair. Ponytail was popping. He had some type of moose or something, right? And then he was just looking. And I was like, what's up, Jamie? He was like, uh-huh. He had his hands in his pocket. It was giving, as they say, it was giving Fonzie attitude. I knew that had changed. But this is what Redman, Redman, whatever man he is.

1:01:42Joe Rogan:Redman. He said, after the show, he said, that might have been the most epic comeback in Kill Tony history. I was like, don't. Well, the second episode was. You came back full steam. You know what you're doing? I don't know. It was great. I'm trying to use the term. I don't think this is passive wrestling, but you're fucking with my mental right now. No!

1:02:01Donnell Rawlings:I'm telling you, you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck. No, that's not what you said. And when you came back, it was amazing. That's what you said.

1:02:06Joe Rogan:The second episode was great. This is the point I'm making of what you're doing. Right. The first episode was great. It was Dr.

1:02:17It was Dr.

1:02:18Joe Rogan:Dr. Dr. Videos. You doctored it. But then here's the thing. They said, Redman, Redband, he said, He said that was the greatest comeback. I was like, it wasn't a comeback. You're editing what it was. And this is what I did. You're editing. This is what I did. And I'm not saying I think about the Kill Tony audience like that, but I thought about them. Because this is what I said. I was like, this is what I want. Like you said, I'm a great comeback. I know what I do. I say, you know what? I don't want to give these motherfuckers an opportunity to be able to fuck with me. So I did. Before I went that last, I said, okay, what did you do last time that you're going to do different for anyone to say that?

1:02:56Joe Rogan:I was like, the last one, you had some drinks. Well, I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks. But I was like, I tried to address what their concerns were, right? Which, with them, it's not going to make a difference. Because I know that last episode, this is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't understand the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. And Tony told me, first time I did it, he said, D, only one rule. He said, let them talk for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have me on this show?

1:03:30Joe Rogan:You know I'm going to break the rules. He knew that, right? But then after I was like, I understood how important it was to let those comics get that minute.

1:03:40Donnell Rawlings:Right.

1:03:41Joe Rogan:So when I did it the second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watch the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way. certain people I knew was up there just because it was gimmick and there were certain people I was like oh man they really got talent like this one lady she was an older woman I think she's a regular there right I don't know what she know what she was but I told her I said you know it's so awesome I said when I watch you perform I see passion I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life which is the hardest thing to do I made those points like and I wasn't trying to be an asshole and even I got caught up in one and they ran with this shit and it's a song that uh there was one of the acts by the name of juanita juanita is a gender what is it when you transgender yeah you have a dick but you're a girl still yeah yeah transgender right so she came up with this song and she did this song we we will praise you praise you and i had a couple drinks right and i said and i was thinking like what what jamie i just started

1:04:48Donnell Rawlings:planet sorry

1:04:49Joe Rogan:oh you geared up for that shit huh put your headphones on put your headphones on oh god

1:04:59Joe Rogan:go go ahead

1:05:13wait a minute

1:05:14Joe Rogan:that's Juanita's version that's the right okay okay do you got juanita's version get to it so this is what happened joe so i'm i had a couple two two three four five tito's in and i'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral i'm not staring nobody down and like looking at a minute through the pupils or whatever so the performer i'm going to say that because i don't want to get anybody upset the performer was like... Here we go.

1:05:44Donnell Rawlings:I'll just let all of them talk to still.

1:05:46Joe Rogan:Now look how I'm not paying attention. You're looking right at her. Shut the fuck up! Okay, listen. Alright, we'll see.

1:05:59Donnell Rawlings:So it was a very strange one in 2008. Okay. Oh, they had to cut it out too, I think. Probably the song. Yeah. That's the gayest thing I've ever done. And I do anal.

1:06:18Joe Rogan:Juanita! Welcome back to the show. Can I do a remix of that song for any blackout watcher right now? We will, we will fuck you! Probably true. Until you find out, she has a

1:06:34Donnell Rawlings:dick, Donnell.

1:06:39Donnell Rawlings:Keep it going! No! Keep it going! This is amazing. That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen. They can't tell. No, no, no, come back. No. The brothers...

1:06:56Joe Rogan:The brothers can't tell.

1:06:58Donnell Rawlings:The brothers can't tell.

1:06:58Joe Rogan:They will, they will.

1:07:02Donnell Rawlings:They never...

1:07:03Joe Rogan:I was trying to be nice.

1:07:09Joe Rogan:Keep it going

1:07:10Donnell Rawlings:Keep it going because it's hilarious

1:07:13Joe Rogan:Whereas white guys know That's the first place the white guys look

1:07:25Donnell Rawlings:Charlemagne's gonna find that clip We will, we will Fuck you You are fucked, Donnell

1:07:33Joe Rogan:I'm getting word from the street I'm getting word from the streets I'm sure this happened I don't want to get banned like Dave Chappelle nigga I'm sure this happened before in Korea

1:07:47Donnell Rawlings:stop touching me son I'm sure in Korea as an 18 year old boy this is a memory coming back to you oh my god this is usually how black guys react it's pretty

1:08:01Joe Rogan:Juanita have you been with a black man before

1:08:04Donnell Rawlings:Keep it going, keep it going. I guess he gets you in front of me.

1:08:07Joe Rogan:Okay, are you just saying that so that he doesn't find you and kill you?

1:08:11Donnell Rawlings:No, it was race riot. I'm just kidding. I mean, that's a joke!

1:08:14Joe Rogan:Oh, shit! Now I'm offended.

1:08:17Donnell Rawlings:No, I have been. I've been with one. He was half. Okay, he was half. Half a black. Okay.

1:08:25Joe Rogan:My career's over, nigga!

1:08:32It's over

1:08:37Joe Rogan:Come on, that was funny No, wait a minute, it was funny And I didn't take, the funny thing about it was I did have a couple of drinks, right? People like, how did you not know? Like, I live in the Midwest And what I really thought, I know women That look just like Juanita Sure That in the face is kind of like sketchy like a dollar general one to two and uh i wasn't offended but it just it just caught me off guard but what i'm going back to what i was saying about the kill tony thing and this is another thing people said well donnell you got upset because rob schneider was roasting you whatever first off there was the first time rob schneider was on the show right he didn't really know too much about the kill tony platform i knew a little more than he did and at the beginning he was kind of cold if you want to say.

1:09:25Joe Rogan:Not cold like not funny but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow and then I started saying things I was alley-ooping him and basically people can say what they want I helped get him comfortable on the show and then he started crushing he started crushing and then we did, anybody tell you that episode was amazing but this is the thing that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody Right. And I owe Tony an apology. And I'll tell you why. When Tony did the R.I.R.N. Republic National Convention, whatever. Remember when he did the roasting? Yes. For that. It was a very, very testy time.

1:10:07Joe Rogan:You know, politics. Everybody said you shouldn't do this and everything. I told him not to do it. You told him not to do the show. Not to do the Republican Party thing. Here's the thing. This is what just for the people that's listening. This is what happened at the end of that kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do, I had the question on, where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of what people think, how you're supposed to respond to something? Or are you loyal to somebody or how they treat you and how they are as a friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show. And any time I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone, vice versa.

1:10:40Joe Rogan:We've been in for each other. My publicist, I don't know if this is a good idea right now. Because what you think is a nice gesture you want to do the show, people are going to act like it's a political stand. I didn't want that, right?

1:10:53Donnell Rawlings:You can't listen to publicists.

1:10:55Joe Rogan:This is what I learned now, Joe. You know what I'm saying? That was my inexperience, whatever. And something, I kept calling him. I was like, what if I do this? Because I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony, he was hot in a good way and a positive way. I felt so bad. I called him. I said, man, I really want to do this show, but I think people are going to take it the wrong way now, right? And this was with me. I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony, bro. And I watched the motherfuckers go into the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there.

1:11:37Joe Rogan:And he understood. Even though I was like, he's never going to let me do the show again. He said, I'd love to have you there. The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? and he was getting a laugh off this one joke and it was at my expense. When I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke and I didn't want to flip out and then people took that as like, oh yeah, Rob roasted him. The fuck out of here. I was trying to talk about, and I had this issue. You might have the same issue.

1:12:12Joe Rogan:Some people know people a certain way, you know them a different way and I'll use an example and I'm going to get shitted on for saying this or whatever. Like, oh, how could you say that?

1:12:24Donnell Rawlings:You've got to stop worrying about what other people think. I can't do it.

1:12:27Joe Rogan:I can't do it. You've got to stop worrying about what other people think.

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1:14:33Joe Rogan:Just be yourself. I'll just say this. Kid Rock. Kid Rock, right? You say that name for some people in certain places. They're like, oh, fuck him or whatever, right? Right. I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the cornfield shows in Yellow Springs. And I tell people something. We talked about this earlier. Some people are provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he's saying, but I think that he knows what's going to move the dial is what's going to make him be in the headlines of what people like, oh, shit. And he's going to stick to that.

1:15:02Donnell Rawlings:When we did that show in Nashville, remember we hung out with him? Went to his house?

1:15:05Joe Rogan:Yeah, exactly. And with that, even when he came to the conference at that time, this was the point where he said some crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything, right? They was like, oh, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Right. You know, when I do this thing called, I do river runs in Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason, I take people down the river, and it's like a peace thing. Like, you and nature. Got a photo of you right outside the door. I know. I asked for that photo here, too. It's right outside the door. I love that. so now if you look at that photo you'll see the energy that's the vibe i was on and nobody wanted to get close to kid rock or anything right and i remember as a kid how the black community accepted him in school i'm thinking about that shit we're riding down the river kids over on one kayak i'm on the other side we smoke the joint and he looked at me and i know he was sincere when he said he said man it felt like i just had 13 hours of anger management right and i was like okay i'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good.

1:15:59Joe Rogan:Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. We got to know each other. We come in touch with each other. And he was doing a comedy festival in Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. He said, yo, D, I'm doing this. I was like one of the first people he called, right? He said, you want to do it? I was like, why not? Then I thought about it. I was like, again, what you're saying? I was like, what people are going to think? Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was going to be all maggots it wasn't going to be a gay person it wasn't going to be a midget it wasn't going to be a lesbian it wasn't going to be anything but bona fide the real real red white and blue flag motherfuckers but I said Donnell can you separate can you go up here can you perform and be entertaining not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit I went up there, last person, got a standing ovation, right, at the end of the show.

1:16:58Joe Rogan:This is what people might not understand, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock, in this case, I want to say, Kid Rock wasn't backstage. Bobby was, right? And he said, man, he looked at me. He said, man, I think we just brought this country back together, right? And I said, well, don't separate it, motherfucker. He said, okay, two weeks later, he'd do some other stupid shit. when Trump got elected I know people went to his page to see what his response was going to be was he going to gloat? he was like fuck y 'all this is America he did this video which I thought was so dope because it showed two sides of him it showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby and then how they both responded to Donald Trump being elected the Kid Rock was the crotch grab a motherfucker fuck you right then he came out you find this he came out as bobby with shorts just no american flags baseball cap fucking reading glasses whatever and i thought it was dope the dialogue that he had with it he played the victory he said you know you know we did win he said but this is not a time to gloat it's so much stuff that we need to do he said all sides want to get to a certain place but we have different ideas on how we're going to get there I thought that for whatever people want to think I thought that was showing another side and also I told him because I would talk to him off and on I said you know what song you should do you should do Nina Simone's song Misunderstood right just sing that shit but I know he wouldn't never do that because the bass that really likes supports the mic like oh he's soft now the point I'm making even though with Tony with the situation.

1:18:47Joe Rogan:I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that, but Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a bitch. I wasn't trying to be soft, but I wanted to say I apologize because sometimes friendships got to be stronger than that, and that's where I was with that. And as much as I don't need the Kill Tony show, and this is what I always say about that show. I said, that reminds me, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era. And when I say that, there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen.

1:19:23Joe Rogan:It's such a spectacle. Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they was being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony. Is your phone on?

1:19:34Donnell Rawlings:Is your phone on? Sorry. Shut up.

1:19:37Joe Rogan:This is what I appreciate about this show for whoever likes it or whatever. It's a platform to get on. I've traveled around the country. It used to be, you remember back in the day, it was like, oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on Carson or whatever. That is the, I got to get on Kill Tone. 100%. And in some cases, there's some good and bad to that. There's some people that was ready for it. There's some people like, you know what, you had two or three minutes worth of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was staying at the hotel the other day, three people traveled across the country with the hopes of that.

1:20:09Joe Rogan:So I know how important that show is. You know, is it the fan base? I want them to be like, oh, I can't wait to see them. But for me, I always, my whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started, when I was in New York, I wanted to get past at the Comedy Cellar, not because I wanted to be a cellar dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking just every weekend, just sit back there and tell them what story. I was like, if this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of that. I want to be past that.

1:20:45Joe Rogan:Because when I got past in the comedy cellar, it wasn't a lot of black comedians working in the cellar. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson. RIP, it was William Stevenson. Patrice. Patrice, Dave Chappelle. In fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Night on Sundays, right? The black comedians would look at me like they'd say, where you going? I was like, I got a spot at the cellar. They're like, how the fuck did you get in the cellar? The way I got into it was put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it was time for me to showcase, I did my thing.

1:21:17Joe Rogan:But the minute I got past in the cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot. Same thing. I get it. You know, same thing with the comedy store. Same thing with what you're doing here. It was that part of it.

1:21:29Donnell Rawlings:I get it. Grant Barnes, probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country. But you know what? I've known that dude for 30 years.

1:21:36Joe Rogan:He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever. You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated because, you know, when you you know comedians that put the work in whatever It's a phrase that people use underrated, but you got to ask who rated you didn't use those words You said underappreciated, but he is I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself.

1:21:55Donnell Rawlings:He's not underrated by comics He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid solid fucking comic though Always has been.

1:22:09Joe Rogan:And a solid guy. And a good dude. But that's another thing. This is the area that we're in right now. And it's like, and you notice, it's even more so now, the most talented people aren't getting the shots if you don't know how to evolve.

1:22:22Donnell Rawlings:Well, it's not even just that. Because, like, look at Dave Chappelle. Not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, Dave Attell. Dave Attell, I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever. Ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy. And mostly does clubs. and does like theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself. He's not into social media. He doesn't do much other than specials.

1:22:47Joe Rogan:I don't think, I think a tail would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it. And it was probably, remember with the show he had, what was it, the late night show? That was before anybody was doing it.

1:22:57Donnell Rawlings:Yeah.

1:22:57Joe Rogan:The late night show, he'd go to bars and stuff like that. Insomniac. Yeah, Insomniac. This was before everybody was doing an arena. I don't think that some people, they like, I think he's always going to make millions of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is like he's not a club act, but he's a club comic. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people.

1:23:19Donnell Rawlings:Well, he's awesome in that. But he does like when Burt does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in arenas. I think the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only. And the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines is what really fuels his popularity. And then when people go to see him, just word of mouth. Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have? There is that. But I don't think he's that. I just don't think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't even have a phone. Like, he carries a flip phone with him all the time.

1:23:52Donnell Rawlings:He has an iPhone that he, like, stores away, and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on like, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot. Well, you got to press four times to get an S. You know what it is, though, Joe.

1:24:01Joe Rogan:You know what it is, right? Well, he doesn't want to be distracted. He's in the Epstein files.

1:24:08Joe Rogan:Yo, you got to have a— He doesn't want to be distracted. You need a burner phone. If you heavily in the Epstein files—

1:24:13Donnell Rawlings:No, I think— He's only in the Epstein files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar. I think Dave Attell—

1:24:20Joe Rogan:Luis J. Gomez is on that, too. I like him. I think David Tell is like, I think Dave Tell's ultimate happiness is being on stage.

1:24:31Donnell Rawlings:Shut your fucking phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? You don't know how to do that.

1:24:37Joe Rogan:Don't disrespect me like that. Put it on Do Not Disturb. Do you know how to do that? It's okay. It's off. It's off. Okay, it keeps dangin', you popular motherfucker. I think some people, I think my opinion, David Tell, his comfort zone is fucking just being as incognito as he tries to be. it's just like oh I came up with this I don't know anybody that turns over material. There's certain comments you look at Joe and you're like god damn this motherfucker is constantly trying. Yeah always. Like when I work with Dave he forced me to do that. Deion Cole is another guy. When I watch Deion Cole does like at the Hollywood Improv I think maybe three times a week he just have a Monday night and he just uses it as a workout right.

1:25:18Joe Rogan:Me when I go into a spot I'm trying to beat the fuck I'm trying to beat it up so sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for that's to work out new material there's a such a there's a different level where you just like you know what I could deal with the silence I could deal with something not working and when I watch people like him there's another comedian in LA by the name of Malik S that doesn't have all that notoriety like that but when I see him I'm like damn every time I see this motherfucker he's working on some new shit and has the same passion everybody doesn't have that that's why david tell will always give other comics something to like try to achieve because he's like you ain't gonna see him doing the same shit it's always a flip and that's what makes him who he is and that's why he gets so respected by something well he's he's only focused

1:26:03Donnell Rawlings:on his craft whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions and they have a guy that films him doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music i've never seen so

1:26:15Joe Rogan:many comedians have full out production crews with them. Right. On an intro.

1:26:21Donnell Rawlings:I know. On stage. They think that that's what they need. They think that's what they need to separate them. And it does get them attention. But what it takes away, it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff. Where Attal doesn't have any of that.

1:26:38Joe Rogan:But with that said, it takes away, but then it also lets you know who the special people are. Right now, fucking my goddamn guy that services my pool and should say he's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out. And the thing about it is like now, Joe, you know it. Specials aren't, if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore. It's special. It's a weird word, right?

1:27:01Donnell Rawlings:Specials are a weird word. It's special. I got a new special. Like no other art form calls it a special. Like if someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance. You know, a musician puts out a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, we got a weird word, special.

1:27:19Joe Rogan:You know what special is now? When you get excited about special, if people still do that, it's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people that are like, Sebastian, he's doing it special. You know what I'm saying? Fucking Tom does it special. It's special people where you know it's special. And a lot of them now, it's just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy. no beginning no middle no end no point of view you don't know anything about them it's just like the same way they do photo dumps it's just like joke dumps right but i just say and i'm not people say dave chappelle's uh butt play but one thing i could say however you dave chappelle's a what no i'm dave chappelle's butt plug i'm going back to that's what people you know they are you gotta I'm gonna stop listening to what other people say.

1:28:05Joe Rogan:Joe, I'm second-waying into a story.

1:28:11Donnell Rawlings:Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket?

1:28:13Joe Rogan:Hey! He's got them in all colors.

1:28:18Donnell Rawlings:He's got them in all colors.

1:28:19Joe Rogan:He's got a red, white, and blue one. You know, and like people - He took it off before the show. People get so critical, but at a certain point, people evolve. People that you know them a certain way, But then you talk about a person who has a 35, 40-year career. Like, people are like, well, this last special so-and-so did, it wasn't that funny. But how often, how long are you going to just be, like, rip-roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk, people listen. And I'll look at, I'll use Dave as an example. If you look at All It's Special, 20 years from now, right, you have a Netflix and chill day or whatever.

1:28:56Joe Rogan:if you play all the special that Dave ever did you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time you know what I mean? you know what's going on some people put out singles they got one or two jokes some people put out albums he's one of those people Sebastian is another one and you look at like you see how his comedy is involved people get older they have different perspective on life and that's what you have to fucking accept him for but we don't do that And another thing, I don't know if this is prevalent in your community, and when I say that, your community is a lot of people, but my community, man, is just so much dumb beef.

1:29:39Joe Rogan:And I've, it's only one white beef I've ever known about, and that's yours. Mine? Yes. What do you mean? The beef that you had with, I don't even know.

1:29:52Donnell Rawlings:With Mention?

1:29:53Joe Rogan:Yeah, years ago.

1:29:53Donnell Rawlings:Well, that was the same thing with Kat. Some shit just has to be exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem. Where he had that special, or that show, rather, on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches. And he was steeped. Do you think it was his version of Dave's sketches? It was a lot of shit. When he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the white wig, It was basically the same character that Dave was doing.

1:30:23Joe Rogan:Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever paint and dress himself up to look like. Yeah, but it was right afterwards. Right after. Same slot. Anything that came after Chappelle's show, they would have compared it to. Dave was saying it.

1:30:41Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. Dave never talked shit about nobody. He was like, this motherfucker's doing my show. Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody. Right. It was but that was the that was only one of the problems the real problem was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their shit Like what they would flash the light when he was in the room. So comics wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work

1:31:06Joe Rogan:So why didn't he get exposed before that?

1:31:08Donnell Rawlings:Why did it just because nobody had the balls to do it And then he had because he was famous at the time and he was doing and look at it cost me I got banned from the store. I lost my agent. And I was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck out.

1:31:25Joe Rogan:But you came back stronger. I give another example, like the same situation with Dave in Comedy Central and shit. As much as he went through that, he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you want to say.

1:31:34Donnell Rawlings:Well, what Dave showed in that is that he's a real artist. Right. Dave just said, fuck it, I'm going to disappear for a while like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand-up and people are what the fuck and for no money people would just show up and he would just do Street

1:31:55Joe Rogan:Performances, but you know was what was kind of where he got it from you. You've heard of a comment I'm pretty sure of it Charlie Barnett 100 percent. Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show I knew Charlie Charlie was like if you ever thought you were funny Whatever go. This is what the art of only people I've ever known and got certain levels successful Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier, when he used to live in his beach. Right. But people don't understand how Charlie Barnett would like to go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square Park. And get to gather around a bunch of people in a circle.

1:32:27Joe Rogan:It's a certain technique. Not only that, you got to hold their attention for one joke. Right. You got to get them involved, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And you build this audience up and then it's really for one joke.

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1:35:00Joe Rogan:He couldn't, and that's what opened up the door. But he was so gangster. like when they wouldn't give him spots because you know he was probably a bit to deal with he would go to the Boston Comic Cup and yell in there don't go in there I'm doing my show in five minutes the whole fucking club would come out that's how much power he had but then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything that's why when people talk shit about like they oh kevin kevin hart didn't get out the mud it's you got funny but you know funny isn't everything okay you're funny that's not oh so good that you got talent but more importantly it's your work ethics and how do you take your god-given talent and your passion and turn it into money you know you're into music and everything you probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that you could be like well listen to this shit, but for some reason they didn't have the business part and all that together.

1:36:05Joe Rogan:And I'm going back, I'm probably talking to Circles now, but this is what upsets me the most about my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people. There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really, it's not that funny. I'm like this motherfucker. He's Martin Lawrence. Well, they didn't know him in the 90s.

1:36:32Donnell Rawlings:I used to have to follow Martin Lawrence at the comedy store.

1:36:35Joe Rogan:No, this person particularly. No, if you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Pryor, before he passed away, when he was in a wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold out audiences. I followed him for six weeks.

1:36:48Donnell Rawlings:I followed him for six weeks at the comedy store when he was like that.

1:36:52Joe Rogan:Certain people, Joe, I look at this business, are made people. How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker? That's a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, Joe. A legend. You know, in this business, you can have a career, right? But you have certain times where you just ruled. You had three years. Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy star. He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere. How dare you, as a person gets older, and whether he has a good, bad night or a bad night, how are you to judge? And you ain't doing shit. how are you to judge a motherfucker that when I was coming up Joe every fucking black comic in the business wanted an audition everybody wanted to be hustle man everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin's show because they knew that would do their career so you judge a motherfucker years down the road where they basically when Martin goes out Martin not doing no tour saying I'm doing 45 minutes he's like y 'all want to see me guess what y 'all going to see this young talent You're going to see this person.

1:37:53Joe Rogan:I'm putting people on. How dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker? How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers and talk shit about Kevin Hart? How dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude, Nate Smith, RIP, passed away? I remember when Kevin Hart was the one of the motherfuckers doing those comment cards. All right, all right, I'm doing email lists. One person. I remember when fucking Kevin Hart had fucking 20 ,000 people on Instagram. No, on Twitter. And at the radio, he was like, yo, radio says, yo, D, this is probably. I seen the hard work.

1:38:26Joe Rogan:I see him not just come to fucking New York and do the black rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. I'm doing all of this shit. How dare you? I'll just say this, and I'll answer this. It ain't no B for nothing. Cat Williams said, this is what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show and how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happens. You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is. JFL. Just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a product of that.

1:39:05Joe Rogan:Monique was a product of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of that. But no, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in L.A., but he happened to be on a showcase. When you, back in the day, you do it JFL, it was motherfuckers leaving there. They'd probably have$500 in the bank leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the era it was. I remember. So just because you weren't in L.A. doesn't mean you wasn't beating the pavement. And I don't care. In L.A., you got L.A. and New York. Nobody, as a stand-up comic, grinds as hard as a comic coming from New York opposed to L.A.

1:39:39Joe Rogan:and the reason why, L.A. don't have that many stages. L.A. don't have that many stages. They tell you all the time, as a stand-up comic, if you're trying to be an actor or whatever, go to L.A. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York. And this was the rule back in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to L.A. to sleep on somebody's couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you grind. Everybody's got their own path, Donnie. You can do whatever the fuck you want.

1:40:04Donnell Rawlings:It's just work on your act. That's the point that I'm making. Yeah, it's just everybody's got their own path. The real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing. You less you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve.

1:40:22Joe Rogan:And I listen to what you're saying and I don't listen to what you're saying. And the reason why I say that, every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, it's the echo. It's like a rogue angel right here and is whispering, don't read the comments. Yeah, but I'm right. I still read them. I know, you should. But I'm stopping. But this is another thing. What I didn't know is that white comedians actually have beef with each other. I did not know, or at least you don't hear about it. It's rare.

1:41:00Donnell Rawlings:It's more rare. And the ones who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing well. No, no, no, no. They're usually people that aren't doing well. I got an example.

1:41:08Joe Rogan:Okay. I'm exposing the industry right now. I'm not exposing. I have an example that's so funny. And this was interesting. I was at the comedy store. Oh, you told me this. This is so fucking funny to me, son. About two months ago, right, I'm good friends with Bill Burr. You know, we did. We had the Rich Bitch Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr years ago. And I know Marc Maron, right? I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Marc Maron the way white people know Marc Maron, right? So I know Marc Maron. Like, when I see Marc Maron, I was like, oh, that's the guy. They had one of the greatest podcasts out.

1:41:46Joe Rogan:That guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites, Marc Maron's special. So when I see Marc Maron, I have a certain level of respect. Like, oh, that's the guy who did it or whatever. So I was doing Annie Letterman's show. Annie Wood or whatever, right? And I love that girl. And I'm in a green room, and I'm smoking and enjoying it. I forget who sponsored this weed, but it was incredible, right? So I'm in there, and I'm cracking jokes. Bill is right there. And then Marc is over by the side of the door. And I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything. And I felt something. Nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right?

1:42:19Joe Rogan:That all of a sudden, a whole fucking argument popped off. And it was like, it was white argument because it was so nice. They were so gentlemen to each other. It was a whole bunch of, oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast beats. I'm right in the middle. I don't even know. I didn't even know that they had beef like this. But they were so gentle about it. But I tell you the difference between white beef and black beef. I never felt that I was going to get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character, slander.

1:42:56Joe Rogan:But I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian on Caucasian beef like that. But this is an example. And it was entertaining.

1:43:02Donnell Rawlings:This is an example. Marc Maron was doing really well at one point in time in his career. And now he's not. So Marc Maron had the number one podcast. And after a while, his podcast wasn't even in the top 200. It dropped off. Bill Burr, his career's took off. He's doing arenas. He's killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than him. And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves.

1:43:29Joe Rogan:But do you think that's going back to being a provocateur? He knows if he talked to shit, people don't engage? No, no, no.

1:43:33Donnell Rawlings:I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore. He was upset when we left the comedy store because we took the crowds away and it's like hey you were on the fucking marquee too man Right They're not coming to see you and the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well And your podcast was in the top it was number one and when it was at number one by the way That's what I always say about Marc Maron. He was great Marc man was fun to hang out with when he was killing it right because he was happy Because he was getting validation because he had the number one podcast.

1:44:07Donnell Rawlings:We were friends like I did his podcast He did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I see him. We had gone back and forth many times of having beef with each other. Let me finish. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off.

1:44:23Joe Rogan:That's what happened. This is what I don't understand. Why can't people understand that you have a moment?

1:44:28Donnell Rawlings:Because he's a fucking narcissist and he wants the moment to always be around him. He wants it to always be about him. And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them. And that's where Bill had a problem with it.

1:44:40Joe Rogan:You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing? For some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do it and not give a fuck about what anybody thinks.

1:44:48Donnell Rawlings:Well, having self-respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself. And it's a positive thing right and if these people your friends and you love them and you care about them You should be happy that they're killing it And if you're not killing anymore, you should try to figure out why because it's not like the doors not open It's not like you're not getting on stage. It's not like you're not putting out specials You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening You didn't get arrested.

1:45:29Donnell Rawlings:There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy You should try to figure that out and he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter bitter and jealous He's always been like that. I didn't know that part. It's a story about Jon Stewart. And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told a story about Jon Stewart and Maren. Where Maren confronted Jon Stewart. But Jon Stewart got some television show. He called him a fucking sellout. He yelled at him, all this different shit. Jon Stewart left the show. And they hired Maren to do the same show. Yeah. The same show that he was calling Jon Stewart for being a sellout.

1:45:58Joe Rogan:So how did you go from that to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable. or you think people just wanted to do this show because it was a platform? There wasn't very many podcasts back then.

1:46:09Donnell Rawlings:The thing that killed Maren's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining. I don't think it's good. And the rant was long, and he would just ramble about himself, was very self-obsessed, and I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of the problem. It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had a very confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on. You would think that that style would work in this day and age. No, no, no, no, no.

1:46:40Donnell Rawlings:People don't want always to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. They want you to be a good person. People want train wrecks. They want train wrecks for 15 second or 30 minute, 30 second Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work.

1:46:57Joe Rogan:But the people that host these podcasts now, like, I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, this is going to be clickbait. We're going to go viral.

1:47:06Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, but they're not that talented. That's why they're doing it is because that's their only method of getting attention. If they were entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be about that. You know what? It's all in what you're trying to focus on. What I try to focus on in my podcast is who do I want to talk to? I never have someone on and go, oh, this would be great. It would be very controversial. People will fucking hate them. It'll be crazy. They'll say wild shit. I never do that. My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to. That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous because they're interesting.

1:47:44Donnell Rawlings:I find them interesting. I find with a book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting. I want to know something about them. It stimulates my curiosity.

1:47:52Joe Rogan:Do you think that there's going to be a shift? Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews with the provokter?

1:48:00Donnell Rawlings:I don't think about it. That's my key.

1:48:03Joe Rogan:I don't think about it. You know what's so funny? I will say this. You know what's funny about what you said? That I was with Dave a while ago, and he echoed the exact same thing, and I was having this conversation with him. He said, D, I don't even think about that shit.

1:48:16Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, don't think about it. There's other things to think about. I've said this too many times. If people have heard this before, I'm sorry. Think of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like 100 points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30 % of those thinking about bitter people, 30 % thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's 30 % that you robbed from the 100 % that you have to focus on your life. I have things to do, man. I have a family. I have friends. I have loved ones. I have interests. I have hobbies.

1:48:51Donnell Rawlings:I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do and I think about those things I don't think about negative stupid things with people that have bitter Angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time because they're trying to tear them down All the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up They don't like the fact that person is doing better. They don't like the fact that person's more successful So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is.

1:49:22Donnell Rawlings:They try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people, oh, there's beef. Oh, there's beef. Those are simple-minded people that you're always going to attract. But you're not going to change people's opinions of things. It's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself. It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity And I think that is the way I like to live my life Now if you like to live your life Constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress and you want to do that.

1:50:06Donnell Rawlings:Okay, but those are bitter fucking people I don't want to be a bitter person in another life. Could you have been a therapist? Well, I majored in psychology for the brief amount of time that I was in college. That was what I was interested in. But I was doing that because I was fighting at the time. And I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche. Do you think your success made you a more calm person to not give a fuck? Well, it certainly helps. Right. You don't have to give a fuck if you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset.

1:50:47Donnell Rawlings:Never have to worry about money because a lot of people are always worried about money. And so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety trying to get more. That helps. But it's also it's like there's other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing on fun. This this life is short, man. You and I are 58 years old. we're more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Like, there's one thing if someone's wronging you, there's one thing if you find out you have a business partner who's been stealing money or you have someone who's lying about you.

1:51:20Joe Rogan:Shout out to Dane Cook. No, I'm just saying. His own brother stole from him. I know Dane is like, yes, the fuck. Yeah, it's very, very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was, I was with Jon Hamm. Right? San Francisco. And I had just did a show with Dave. And it was interesting. He said something to me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and me kicking it. He used to come out to summer camp and everything, hang out with us. I don't want to say we're like super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other. And it was interesting because we're in the green room. And this is after I had just slayed this audience or whatever, right?

1:51:55Joe Rogan:And I'm feeling good. And he said, what is it that you really want to do? He said, what is it that you want? I said, what kind of question? He said, no, I mean, what is it? Is it TV? Is it TV show? Is it movies? I was like, John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do. For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my friends and everything. And it's me connecting with a God given talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. Certain things you're like, you know, that would be nice.

1:52:33Joe Rogan:but I just look at what this life has given me and I'm appreciative of that. I know so many people that of my class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am or even the ones that are, that don't mean that they're happy. You know what I'm saying? So when he asked me that question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was like this, I don't get caught up on looking at somebody. They got this, they got that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all the time, Whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are.

1:53:12Joe Rogan:Yes. And it's not my dream. It's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. And even with my situation, with my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything. But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dream so much that you forget your realities. And my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Don Air Rollins. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to do things that I do.

1:53:47Joe Rogan:And it's so easy. It's so easy for me to get caught up like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on the Jets. We doing this type of shit. But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realize for me and my career continues to go when I know how to make that separation. I do have.

1:54:02Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, but the thing is, even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all. You're not jealous of him. Not at all. You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived. But it doesn't mean that it's a negative.

1:54:16Joe Rogan:And, you know, another thing, let me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. Like you said, one of the greatest comedians ever lived. right if a person had a conversation with dave chappelle people could say whatever i'm worrying about people think if you ask dave who is in his top five comedians my name's gonna come up so as much as people they always talk about they always try to pin me like blah blah this and everything i respect the fact that i he respects me i respect him we work together we push each other we make each other whatever people want to say we make each other better and what other people understand is that like he's like truly my friend you know i mean it's not like i just work on a show he's my friend and even when some of my fondest memories especially when i come here is when we was doing those fucking shows yeah when we was doing shit nobody was doing we're doing those lockdown shows that was fun yo it was so wild times it was it was it's all it was already we already have a community.

1:55:17Joe Rogan:We all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special wasn't nobody doing this shit. Right. That's what made it. And it really, one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic. Yeah. It made you appreciate freedom. Freedom.

1:55:35Donnell Rawlings:The ability to do shows. Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask. It was so stupid. But we,

1:55:41Joe Rogan:And they all got tested, too? We got, they was, I was, I had so much fun during the pandemic, I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show, like faceless shit. Yo, we would take pictures and people was like this, look at him, he could kill my grandmother. I'm like, all right, first of all, you did it, Dave did it. I was like, people's like this, oh, it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines. I was like, you're absolutely right. It is. It's beautiful. it is the most amazing shit ever Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row when we were doing the shows in the cornfields and shit but this is what people don't understand he took the opportunity that village of Yellow Springs he made it as safe as it could be like any place we would go hotels, everybody had an opportunity everybody had an opportunity to get tested and I remember this was very interesting when the bubble we did one this was bob saget r.i.p we were doing these shows and i think that at before bob passed away when he came out to yellow springs was hanging out with dave and us and everything it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road and do he was just got really excited about doing it again we we did like 55 shows the summer was over the run was clear we had no positives or anything.

1:57:03Dave extended the show another week.

1:57:07Joe Rogan:And that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now everybody's like freaking out. Like, oh my God, these same women, there was people's coming out there when they was getting flown out in jets, they wouldn't get traffic, but Dave created his environment. He wanted his friends around. We was going to restaurants. We will have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that. And I remember this one girl was like, oh my God, I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked at Dave. I was like, yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through.

1:57:36Joe Rogan:He was like, Donnell, it's going to be okay. He said, you got to realize this is the reason why we test. When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.

1:57:48Donnell Rawlings:And we got a first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test. Remember that? I remember that.

1:57:54Joe Rogan:I remember that because I remember that scene. It was so funny. yeah that was here yeah and um it was like i something was different because we had one positive and the you remember that backstage used to be packed out right it started lower and lower yeah it was basically like me syphes sounds somebody else was in the green room right and then big j came that's one of my friends good friends big j came back he had this look on his face like it's over right he came in there and i looked i said boss man got it he's like yep right and another thing Dave could have did this is why I respect his character he could have been at that time he could have just been in the mask went on stage went back out he canceled the show but the funniest shit it's a hole at Stubbs Roman sold out right and then Cena comes back and Cena was like um I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled right I said you don't need me to do that shit nigga cause the minute it's one thing if I go out there people and be like, show starting, right?

1:58:57Joe Rogan:And as a comedian, I'm not going to not tell jokes. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, Dave, not going to show up. But that was, the crazy thing about that, everybody. At the Line Hotel, they was making jokes, Joe. They called it COVID row because we had the whole floor locked down, right? And everybody on our team got it. But it felt like an old school chicken pock party. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we got it. We got it. But what I tell you, man, what we did, like, everything was like, okay, make sure you had your vitamins and all that type of shit. But the beauty of it was we was like, you know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right?

1:59:35Joe Rogan:So we thought we was going to leave. After a while, we was like, I was like, wait a minute. The next room was going to be in 10 days. And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative. We closed and did more shows and we got the fuck about it. But it was a beautiful time, man. It was a beautiful time. It was a fun time. It was a fun time. But it was crazy. And then we did that. What the fucking joint we did? It was in Tacoma.

1:59:59Donnell Rawlings:The Superdome. That was wild.

2:00:02Joe Rogan:$25 ,000? Whatever it was.

2:00:05Donnell Rawlings:We broke the Tacoma Dome record.

2:00:06Joe Rogan:I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard. It felt like helicopters. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they're doing arenas and shit. But normally, but that was pre-COVID, brother. It was pre-COVID? Yeah, that was pre-COVID. That was before everything popped off. What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage. So it ain't the true capacity. Right. But the shows you motherfuckers are doing, it was in the round. Right. Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage.

2:00:45Joe Rogan:Man, crazy times. You've experienced this shit of that walk from the UFC shit. man I'm so grateful for your you guys friendship and everything and for me it was so special for me because I didn't sell a ticket nobody else no you and Dave sold those tickets right but the best feeling for me Joe was when I go out and DJ trauma be like you seen them on HBO The Wire you seen them on BMF whatever but simple line but you fell in love with Ashley Larry Chappelle show and them people fucking go crazy I don't give a fuck if you ever been in the fist fight in your life when you come through them tunnels?

2:01:22Joe Rogan:You doing this shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just give me a robe. Just give me a towel. I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. And every show we had, there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time.

2:01:37Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. It was fun. It was a good time. Well, that was when all that COVID shit went down with me when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what that was. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend, and I got COVID the previous weekend. I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida, and I got COVID in Florida, and then I made that video on, like, a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was, like, the third day after I got COVID, when I got over it, and I was like, you know, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend.

2:02:11Donnell Rawlings:Right. And that's when all the shit went down, because I took Ivermectin. That was those arena shows that we were going on. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, they were like, oh, he has to answer everything.

2:02:18Joe Rogan:Yo, if you don't have the answer, at least he's fucking trying to find it.

2:02:22Donnell Rawlings:It's so interesting. Whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is I was better. I was already better. And they turned my face green on CNN. We got to see how crazy the media really is. They didn't want to hear nothing, but you have to take this vaccine. And you have to do that. And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem.

2:02:42Joe Rogan:It's sort of, I just don't, as devastating as that time was, I'm just, how is it just like fucking over now? Is it herd immunity? How is it just like? Yeah, it's herd immunity.

2:02:58Donnell Rawlings:It's, yeah, it's also, you know, everybody who got it, got it. You got immunity because of it. And then also whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished. That's how viruses generally. It's like a cold strand now, right? Yes. Well, that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible but less potent over time. Yeah, and that's what happened.

2:03:18Joe Rogan:I'm going to tell you, there was a time, though, man. I even said, man, maybe it was just something about how people got along with each other. I was like, we should do like once a year, just have a week of just lockdown. Yo, just so you can get it. It makes you appreciate freedom. That's for sure. It made me appreciate nature, bro. I bought a fucking house in Yellow Spring because I was like, you know what? trees woods i don't know if the streets can handle this but i became a bird watcher bruh i watch bird i watch birds You know what that does to my street credit? What? To know the difference between a Cardinal and a Blue Jay.

2:03:57Donnell Rawlings:Is that bad?

2:03:59Joe Rogan:It's not the most... Listen.

2:04:05Joe Rogan:It's a Blue Jay call. I can't be in the street talking about... It was good shit.

2:04:12Donnell Rawlings:If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever. That's a bullshit narrative.

2:04:17Joe Rogan:That's ridiculous. Here's the thing. I didn't crash out today didn't crash out I know people think I'm a crash out king it's not that sometimes I just need to talk you mean on the show today? yeah what did I? no you definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket Jamie did have a leather jacket he had a leather jacket on man and I think he brushed his eyebrows too it was everything I was like I've never seen this sexy side of Jamie he had like a British accent he was like I think he wants a book. He only showed it. I was like, who is this person, man? It was something different.

2:04:58Donnell Rawlings:We definitely went through something that most people will never experience in their life. Nope. And most previous generations never experienced it. Having a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out and we didn't. Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows. We had a good time. We hung out together. those after parties when we go to the line you had a DJ and we would laugh and laugh we would laugh till 2, 3 o 'clock in the morning you know we had so much fun

2:05:27Joe Rogan:girl I was dating at the time she couldn't believe that she was like I would be like this so what do you do I was like well I was at the line kicking it with Dave and Joe what did y 'all do just talking and laughing till 3.30 in the morning they was like get the fuck out of here you was fucking no I wasn't we was just on some brohood shit It was just, it was really good.

2:05:48Donnell Rawlings:And we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down.

2:05:53Joe Rogan:Yep. I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. My mother would call me, you better be careful out there. I'm like, man, I'm getting tested. We got tested more than probably anybody in the country. I got tested every day because I was doing podcasts through the whole thing. I did your show doing that one time. Yeah. And then we didn't, I sat down before I got the results. The last time I was here, you was like, did he get the test? I'm like, I'm like, please don't come in here. Like, get this motherfucker out of here.

2:06:20Donnell Rawlings:Well, we definitely had a couple people that tested positive. We had to get them out.

2:06:24Joe Rogan:And I tested positive once. But the thing about it, taking those precautions, you can isolate it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the place. Just think about it. Imagine if Jamie would have got COVID. Then we would have never seen his sexy side now. Jamie got COVID.

2:06:42Donnell Rawlings:He got COVID before anybody. He got COVID really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole week off.

2:06:51Joe Rogan:Maybe that's why he has the attitude that he has. Yo, y 'all get all this sexiness.

2:06:56Donnell Rawlings:But we did the Kanye podcast. You had COVID that week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed the Kanye podcast.

2:07:02Joe Rogan:Yeah, but I'm sorry, Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character. Well, it was just totally false. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. That fucking ponytail. I don't know what the fuck he did about it that time. Like a Steven Seagal ponytail. Slip back. And not only that, but he put his hair back like this. Almost like a Diddy party. That's how he started Diddy parties. Boiled up? Yeah. I don't want to say that because I was. Never mind. I never went to a Diddy party. I have a photo, but I never went to a Diddy party. Jesus Christ.

2:07:35Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, it's like, I think people are going to be wiser if something like that happens again. Could it ever happen again? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen. It's the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. So many companies. Small businesses went down. Big businesses made more money. Look what it did to Zoom.

2:07:58Joe Rogan:Yep. Zoom took off. I remember Zoom because I had a show in Naples. I met this doctor that he wanted me to be on this podcast. And I was like, how are we going to do it? He said, we can do it by Zoom. This is when it was only for business people. It was really the nerdy thing.

2:08:14Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, that's what it used to be.

2:08:15Joe Rogan:It used to be, but the pandemic, it blew it up. It was like now Zoom is like, that's the best way. You don't want to talk to somebody on the phone. They call you, oh, I'm on Zoom right now. It is so in everybody's household, and that shit blew up. So many businesses did the same thing.

2:08:29Donnell Rawlings:Is anybody using that anymore?

2:08:31Joe Rogan:Zoom? Yeah. They use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody.

2:08:35Donnell Rawlings:Do they do Zoom podcasts anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear that term. It used to be things like, oh, we're going to do it on Zoom. I don't hear that anymore. A few other platforms exist now. I don't even think people discuss it. Yeah, they had one one. Was it Clubhouse or whatever? All of these things. Oh, yeah. Clubhouse was popular. Clubhouse is a big one. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody could just chime in and talk shit. People was getting like a million followers in three days and shit. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of that. And a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going.

2:09:05Donnell Rawlings:Like Clubhouse is going to be the new thing.

2:09:07Joe Rogan:I'm like, this is just bad podcasting. And it's what, there was only, so many things, that battle, the versus battles that they do now when they have like, it's mostly, it's been hip hop and R &B. I think it was, who was it? It was, damn, Swiss Beats and Timbaland, I think. They started this thing during the pandemic. It was versus, right? Where you have an artist versus another artist in like a competitive type of situation. They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining for everybody. and that went from like it was so low level like people was in front of their computers it was freezing up and everything but it was what everybody was doing now that's like one of the biggest things now they did one at Madison Square Gardens like it's a big thing now when you want to it's just like a competition like you got I think that they had cash money and no limit records but it's very I don't see no white verses but it's a popular thing and it started because of the

2:10:01Donnell Rawlings:pandemic well so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off so they started their own business a lot of online businesses started a lot of people quit their jobs because they realized look they could just take this shit away from me at any minute why am i doing something that i hate when i thought there was security in it there's no security in it i'm

2:10:17Joe Rogan:gonna start my own business also even like you you're an example of um um of what happens when you finally realize that um you don't need hollywood the way it used to be no well we figured

2:10:30Donnell Rawlings:that out a long time ago we figured that out when the podcast started kicking off in like the early 2010s i realized that i was like this is i don't need tv shows anymore we figured that out like

2:10:43Joe Rogan:2013 2014 and hollywood is not like it used to be i'm i'm a very old school guy but i remember when when i first started you couldn't make it in this business you had to be in new york or la Yep. There was no producers going to, they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There was no way. This was big. Well, there's no comedy communities outside of New York and L.A.

2:11:07Donnell Rawlings:No, not at all. Not a real community. There might have been like a good club that had some, like Denver always had like good opening acts, good community. Comedy Works was responsible for that. But it wasn't like a real hub like Austin is now. And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic. People wouldn't have moved.

2:11:26Joe Rogan:They wouldn't have moved. No. And you brought a whole community here. As much as this place was always big for music or whatever, but I mean, there's no way anybody cannot agree with what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life and everything.

2:11:45Donnell Rawlings:Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood bullshit. The problem with the L.A. is always going to be poisoned by the the idea of going there to become famous. Right. That whole idea was it was permeated in the culture of L.A. And that fame was like the number one commodity.

2:12:07Joe Rogan:But back then it was that was the case.

2:12:09Donnell Rawlings:It was the case. But the problem is that's bad for art. It's bad for your ability to produce shit. I mean you got great comics that came out of LA, but that was in spite of what LA had to offer right it wasn't because of Whereas Austin like the main reason people come here first of all is kill Tony Because like you said kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three four years Even just start now, but you got some talent you can have a fucking career Yeah, a real career and it'll launch look you got Cam Patterson's on SNL right now You got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas.

2:12:48Donnell Rawlings:They're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere they go. Ari Matty. I mean, they have a real career now because of Tony.

2:12:55Joe Rogan:But you know, another thing that they don't understand is like, this is what I say, and I use you as an example.

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2:15:13Joe Rogan:Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing, a certain name is like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like we don't know when we're going to do it. He dug deeper and figured out a way I'm going to continue to do it. Nobody ever respects the journey.

2:15:49Joe Rogan:Right. And if you think about it, Joe, and you're probably the same way, most successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their career or whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht. They never talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris. You know, they talk about it was just me and my wife and we drove a Toyota, you know, a Toyota Corolla. And we was like, we was down to our last 10 bucks and she did this. That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people. and people don't understand that.

2:16:20Donnell Rawlings:Right, they only think about where you got to

2:16:22Joe Rogan:and I want to get to there too. They want to skip everything. I hear people right now, I want to be like stand up. I'm like, all right, well, no, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, this guy I knew, I grew up with, he was like, this motherfucker said, yo, D, what's the number to The Wire? I want to call him. I want to be on The Wire. Like, there's a wire. Hey, is this David Simon? Yeah, I could be Omar. They don't. I was like, and guess what? If I knew the number to the wire, I'm not giving it to you. I'm not giving it to you. I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it is. Nobody ever wants to respect the grind.

2:17:03Joe Rogan:And they all, everybody wants the rewards of the grind. But it's not everybody.

2:17:07Donnell Rawlings:It's just people that are, they're missing it. They're not getting what it's all about. What it's all, like Kill Tony is a great example of that. I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small show. You'd have a few comedians. You know, I was doing it back before I was back at the comedy store, but I was still banned. So I was doing it from the Ice House.

2:17:31Joe Rogan:Right.

2:17:31Donnell Rawlings:And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the world and he was going to be on Netflix. And he did it because it was fun to do. And he loved it. And he wanted to do a great job. And he wanted to make it better every week. And he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years. It didn't make any money for years.

2:17:51Joe Rogan:It cost money. But the most successful people are the ones, like, even with when I first started doing comedy, right, I never, you have some comedians that go out there like, I want to do comedy. I want to get the money. I want to get pussy off of it. Right? When I first started, I never, the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like this, if I'm good, all those other things that are rewards to that, they will happen. But I had to be good first. and here's the thing that I think especially when you have these like social media comedians or whatever, the thing that the interesting thing about it, it's kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they're getting all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early stage.

2:18:34Joe Rogan:It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years that's making$50 ,000 or$100 ,000 a month off of monetizing something they're like this, you need to get better Hello.

2:18:45Donnell Rawlings:Well, they don't have to like do whatever the fuck you want to do if you just want to do that Do that and also some of them are gonna figure it out anyway. Some of them are gonna figure out. I'm I'm not getting better I'll get better and work harder at it, right? There's gonna be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do in this life There's gonna be a bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about what you really want

2:19:09Joe Rogan:It's always gonna be that what do you what do you what is? this is an interesting question what is your definition of success happiness happiness and

2:19:18Donnell Rawlings:doing something that you enjoy doing it's something that's challenging so what is your definition of happiness friendship love doing something i enjoy doing doing it well doing it better all the time getting better at it you know i mean you're and struggle you're always going to have some kind of a struggle and that struggle hopefully is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing. You, what

2:19:42Joe Rogan:gives you, this is an interesting question, what gives you the incentive to always continue to want to perform, what gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and fucking just do whatever? Because it's fun. It's fun.

2:20:00Donnell Rawlings:It's first of all, the Green Room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the Mothership is some of the funniest times I've ever had in my fucking life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony. It's fun. I mean, it's community. It sounds like you're trying to get me to change my fight. We enjoy our times. Would you want to come on? I got to come to a Tuesday. What are you doing tomorrow? Come on, Donnell. What do you got going on tomorrow? Where are you headed back to Ohio?

2:20:27Joe Rogan:No, I'm going to L.A. Do you have a show? I got a son.

2:20:31Donnell Rawlings:Oh, okay. Well, that's different.

2:20:33Joe Rogan:That's more important. But I can just give him some roadblocks money here in L.A. he'll be like yo I'll give you some Roblox money he'll be cool let me tell you I might cause Cam I wish I would have even thought about it before but I might cause I haven't had that experience oh calm down then if you can

2:20:52Donnell Rawlings:if your son's cool with it do it if not there's always another time I can brag and this is another thing

2:20:57Joe Rogan:about me being an older dad like my son is really he could be my grandson I don't have time to do all those instill vials and morals and shit I'm like this, will Candy shut this motherfucker up? Yo, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But yeah, I'm going to say, I would definitely consider that. Consider it. Yeah.

2:21:16Donnell Rawlings:But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life, and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging. And I like to have conversations with interesting people. And I like the fact that people enjoy it still.

2:21:28Joe Rogan:You know, when I first met you, and I already knew that you had the ultimate platform, right? And I never, this is me, and I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, hey, Joe Rogan, I'm down there, Roms from so-and-so. And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was, like, from the stage. You know, I always, like, I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this motherfucker's funny first. Not just like, hey, you know, I rock with Dave and everything. I think that that was what happened. I used to spend time, and I never, even to this day, I don't, you know, I just look at like, I just want people, you can respect me as a man and respect my character or whatever, but at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up.

2:22:15Joe Rogan:I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts the work in and then we can build everything off of that. That's what respect I want. I want the respect from what I put in the work I put in. And people can acknowledge that. And that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with all of these, all these guys. All of these people that I fuck with now, it ain't because anything other than like, yo, he's a dope comic. And then you can find out that I'm a good dude after that.

2:22:42Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. It's that. And then after that, it's got to be like, are you cool?

2:22:47Joe Rogan:Right. Is he fun to hang out with? Right.

2:22:49Donnell Rawlings:Yeah.

2:22:50Joe Rogan:Barry Ketch said that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. It's one of the things that separate like who goes on the road or so and so is if you're a good hang.

2:22:58Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. Oh, my God. That's everything.

2:23:00Joe Rogan:I don't know how many people quote Barry Katz, but I want to share this story. You might be the only one. You said probably the only one. But you said something earlier about undeniable, right? Yeah. I remember when I first moved from D.C. and I moved up to New York, I was doing the Chitlin Circuit, the black circuit. I was popular in the black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough. I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to do these other things, right? and Barry Katz, Dave used to host this comedy night at this place called El Flamingo's in New York. And Barry Katz saw me there one day.

2:23:34Joe Rogan:He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that would be ready to rip someone's head off and you could hear silence. You know, that's the control I had with the audience. So we built sort of a respect for each other. And I remember one time I was at the Comedy Cellar and he was there. And I knew that he was, back then, And whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz. Back then in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody. The list goes on and on. And I knew he was a fan of mine. And I said, Barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm having a hard time getting past these clubs.

2:24:16Joe Rogan:I was like, could you make a phone call or whatever for me? And he looked at me. He said, Donnell, he said, this is what you do. I'll probably do the worst. Everybody does a better Barry catch.

2:24:26Donnell Rawlings:You got to do Barry like this. Yes.

2:24:28Joe Rogan:Okay, I'll try it again. He was like.

2:24:30Donnell Rawlings:This is what you do.

2:24:32Joe Rogan:And slow it down. He said, Donnell, just rip. Right? He said. Yeah, be undeniable. That's what he said. He said, just be. He said, I'm not talking. And I tell, this is advice I give people. They say, well, I need so. I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and you have four bad sets. I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you blowing the roof off. And once you do that, the managers are going to come to you. They're going to hear about it. That's one of the things that a lot of people try to skip. They're like, oh, how was your set? It was okay, but I can't talk to you.

2:25:10Joe Rogan:Unless you're just straight just destroying shit everywhere, then you've got other shit to work on.

2:25:17Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, and there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much. They want it all to be about them. So they think they should have already had this. They should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why don't I have a that?

2:25:30Joe Rogan:And I always said this is another thing. Even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever, always say that you have time to have a defining moment. If you're in a room, right, and for some reason the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping, you probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombing you've seen rooms where everybody come back saying that crowd was weird but then you got one motherfucker back there like this i don't give a fuck what y 'all doing right i'm going to elevate this those are the times when

2:26:04Donnell Rawlings:you gotta fucking stand up yeah but we used to see that all the time at the store like late night at the store in particular where like you know because the way the store works the show starts at 8 p.m and it goes on till 2 a.m and there's a lot of people that get there at 8 a 8 p.m that are like you know tourists that are in town and they sit there for the whole fucking show they came to see the comedy store yeah so by the time 12 30 rolls around fuck they've seen everything and so you get this low period and then someone will go up and just tear that fucking place apart

2:26:39Joe Rogan:50 people when I used to I was so naive when I first started that um uh we used to have open mics right and the open mic list would be like 25 people right and they they fucking the guy that was running they hated me so much because I used to talk shit in the audience and everything and they would keep bumping me down right and my dumb ass never got mad right I was like this yeah They want me to headline 25 comedians. I took that. I was like, I didn't think about audience fatigue or anything. Oh, boy. I just was like, yeah. And it would be. And but I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong.

2:27:19Joe Rogan:Because 100 percent. I was like, I'm going to do what the next person. There's one story. This is one. If you ask Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever seen. I just happened to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago, right? Was that when he got attacked? No, that wasn't. It was like the year before. You know Jeff Wills Live Nation, right? Sure. Shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff. We're doing a show. Hollywood Bowl's 18 ,000 people, right? So show starts at 7 o 'clock, right? Jeff comes up to me. He was like, Donnie, I got some good news and bad news.

2:27:56Joe Rogan:He said, what? He said, we're going to start on time. It's only but 700 people out there, right? Now, you imagine what 700 people look like in front of an 18 ,000 place, right? He said, there's only 700 people out there. He said, well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes. I was like, Jeff, it's not like 17 ,000 people going to show up in 10 minutes. I said, give me the mic now. Big ass stage. I jump off the stage, right? Dave and all these people in the green room. I jump off the stage. I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person in the theater. And I'll get you a picture.

2:28:32Joe Rogan:You can answer this. I'm going to each person. Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down? That's what I wanted to say. But they were just like, the show has to continue. I don't allow that.

2:28:42Donnell Rawlings:I never allow that. I'll tell you another story. They've tried to do that before with me. And they say, we're going to have to pay more money. If the show goes over, I go, then the show goes over. And we pay more money. Get the fuck out of here.

2:28:50Joe Rogan:But for me, it was a moment because any other comedian, not any other. Most people are like this. Oh, there wasn't nobody out there. So many excuses. I jumped off stage. I was like, no. I can't be up here. Look like I'm about to be auctioned off. I go in the audience. I'm going to each joint, right? And I'm fucking killing 700 people in front of 18 ,000.

2:29:11Donnell Rawlings:That's a great way to start a show.

2:29:13Joe Rogan:But listen, and I'm like this. And here's the fucked up thing about this. Nobody's going to know about it because your fucking phones are locked up, right? Yo, it was a moment. Dave, everybody from the Green Room came out, right? and Dave told me to this day, he said, if I was doing a class on stand-up comedy, he said, I would use this as an example of owning up to it. And it was so crazy, man. It was just... It was crazy. I remember another time, I was working with... I think I was working with you. It was me, you, and Dave. And I think it was a time, we was doing an outdoor theater, and that was supposed to be a break.

2:29:56Joe Rogan:it was supposed to be me it was supposed to be I think you, Tony or whatever or something then it was a break and then it was going to be me and Dave but it was still daytime where was this? I can't remember the place it was still Jeff he came up to me I was like I already know I'm going to have to go on there and I literally had to perform until it started getting dark oh I remember this show and I was saying to myself I was like ain't no way I was like this ain't no way they giving Rogan and it wasn't as shitty on people just hadn't come yet I was like I knew I was going to even suggest I was like nah we had these two halves right and it was and that was another example okay you gotta do what you gotta do and I had to go up there it wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever but I was like this you know for the sake of the show and I'm always like what do we need to do to support this and I had to we had to bring it down we had to buy some more time and then by the time you got on stage everybody I was seated.

2:30:54Joe Rogan:It was dark. It was dark.

2:30:56Donnell Rawlings:That was outside of San Francisco. I can't remember exactly what it was. That was California. That was California.

2:31:01Joe Rogan:That shit was fun. But I tell people all the time that I do slight mental. I was like, man, there's certain times where you got to do what the next person is not going to do. You can't bitch about shit. And at the end of the day, you got to be a fuck. I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to fucking get the shittiest time. Like, we're at 30 % capacity. I'm like, man, half of these motherfuckers are not even going to see me. But I looked at it like this. Well, the people that's going to see me, they're going to remember it. And you just got to keep on going. That's a good attitude.

2:31:33Joe Rogan:Yep. Yeah, that's healthy. See, I feel like this... Very productive. This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.

2:31:42Donnell Rawlings:Yeah, I think so too. Everything except the lies you told about Jamie.

2:31:49Joe Rogan:You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start taking fucking videos. I wish I would have had it. Yeah, I wish you did too. And the thing about it was...

2:31:55Donnell Rawlings:You would see like, oh man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on.

2:31:57Joe Rogan:And he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is it?

2:32:02Donnell Rawlings:No, I'm going to look at that. I walked up to you and didn't even know if I was at first.

2:32:06Joe Rogan:Guess why? Why didn't I know? I never know that. I never knew. I was like, who is this fake ass, Jamie ass motherfucker? It's like, it was almost like, remember when Family Battles, Urkel and then Stefan? It was two characters. they had the geeky Urkel and then his alter ego, whatever, he was just this cool ass. He was the same person. Whatever happened to that dude? Urkel?

2:32:32Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. Oh, he's been around. What's that? He's selling weed. He was and his weed is really good. He's got a weed? Urkel purple? It's the best.

2:32:40Joe Rogan:He got this joint, he wrote it and it's like some type of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle. He used that as a filter. But also, I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the cornfields or whatever. So I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show. Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like, is that him? Julia White?

2:32:57Donnell Rawlings:Yeah. I don't know.

2:32:58Joe Rogan:I heard Urkel got in great shape. Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those celebrities I know that want to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it. Always. He said, no, no, no, don't do that. But he's a great guy. It's hard to start out already famous.

2:33:13Donnell Rawlings:That's one of the things that I really respected about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting comedy.

2:33:18Joe Rogan:Do you know who started Charlie? Who? Me. Did you? And this is how it happened. When we were doing the Chappelle show, and it's safe to say, like, nobody was really making money. You know in a contract, when you, in your contract, if your show just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the contract. Right. So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show. But I was like this. We're too popular right now. And at that time, it was me and Charlie. It was Dave, me, and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show. So this was Mike Berkowitz, who's head of William & Morris right now, right?

2:33:49Joe Rogan:He was a young agent at the time, right? He was coming up. And I was like, I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg, I said, man, we got to do a tour or something. I was like, yo, everybody's talking about I'm Rich Bitch. I was like, let's do I'm Rich Bitch tour, right? He was like, it's a good idea. I said, me and Charlie can do it. At the time, that was only a two-man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like, you know what? I want to do it. because it was my idea. I said, I want to do me, Charlie. I said, we need another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing stand-up.

2:34:21Joe Rogan:And I'm not disrespecting him, but everybody knew he was going to blow. But that was early on in the career, and all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was going to blow. So I said, why don't we do a tour, me, Charlie, and Bill Burr. That shit would be hot. Charlie had never did stand-up. And he used to always crack jokes and shit. I was like, yeah, you talk a lot of shit. but once that microphone, you're a bitch-ass motherfucker. So Charlie was a guy like, don't threaten him with anything. So this is when they had the Laugh Factory in New York in Times Square.

2:34:52Joe Rogan:One of my friends was doing a show there. I was like, Charlie, yo, we're going to do this tour. You got to at least have 10 minutes. At that time, Charlie was so hot, people would have just yelled out, Charlie Murphy, for five minutes. He was the emcee. We just needed his face to be there. and this was it would be charlie charlie bilber and myself and charlie had no jokes right and like you said i was like maybe i don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open micer crazy and he had to get his voice and i know and i was like why did he never do this but i'm part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother right he never wanted to be able to like uh that's his brother and he had his own style or whatever so we did this fucking tour for like a year.

2:35:40Joe Rogan:And then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother. I'm a storyteller. He stuck to that shit. And one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chappelle Show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.

2:36:05Donnell Rawlings:Right.

2:36:05Joe Rogan:They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So that show didn't do, and when I tell you one of the most stand-up original guys, all of those stories, like was it true? It was, he told, that was just part of the story. Me, Charlie, and Bill built a relationship. We did something that was spectacular. But Bill Burr used to fuck with us. And I'm going to tell you one of the things he would do. we would be on the road and all we used to do was argue and fight and just fuck with each other one time and Bill Burr he did some fucking I don't want to call this racist or whatever but whatever it was very Bostonian okay but what he did I didn't know two years later Bill Burr when we meet up he would buy a fucking like 12 piece of Popeye's chicken right and he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken and we would be in a sleep coma right the next 15 minutes and it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit.

2:37:05Joe Rogan:He would get us a chicken we'd be knocked out and then he'd just go and just laugh at us and shit but that time that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being bored. Bill was already on the trajectory to be great. But at that time and this is when I say the stories that you remember I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers this was the first time that he was making regular good money every weekend. You know how it is for being a fucking headliner that's doing $800 a weekend or they give you a deal$2 ,000 and then you get a$500 bonus when you sell or give away 300 tickets. And you're not working every weekend.

2:37:45Joe Rogan:And you're not working every weekend and then you got club bonus. Like, your bonus is supposed to be at 300 and they'd be like, ah, couldn't give you that bonus. You was at 298. You know, I'd be like, motherfucker, I could have bought those. And they lied too. They lied to it. They lie about how many tickets you sold. They lied to it. And then they wonder why when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back because I remember that.

2:38:06Donnell Rawlings:Oh, I remember that. There's a couple club owners that they can go eat shit.

2:38:09Joe Rogan:And I tell people all the time, when everybody talk about this, I was like, yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half. And every night you had to come behind Bill Burr. I had no days off. and I knew when I had a day off I wasn't hitting on all cylinders because that's when they used to have comment cards, right? The comment cards like, I don't know why the white boy didn't go last. But that always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like you don't got no time to play around because Bill was one of those comics. Bill would come, Bill did the mainstream shit and he was one of the only white dudes who would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever.

2:38:58Joe Rogan:And I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic, but I think that that helped build his character. I think that was probably what made him be in a position where he go to Philly like, yo, fuck y 'all. I just did Donnell's fucking Hood Club in Brooklyn. If I can handle that, I can handle that.

2:39:14Donnell Rawlings:Well, that rant in Philly was because he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were brutal. Their crowds were fucking brutal.

2:39:23Joe Rogan:They was Kill Tonys before Kill Tonys was still.

2:39:24Donnell Rawlings:Way worse. Way worse. They had sort of fed into that crowd. They fostered that crowd. They called them the pests.

2:39:34Joe Rogan:But then, even going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment. And that was one of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody that went on before, Bill was throwing a towel in it. He was like, fuck that. But Bill was built for him.

2:39:47Donnell Rawlings:What happened was Dom Herrera went on. And, you know, Dom Herrera's a legend. How's he doing, man? He's hurting. Yeah, he's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is. It's not good. I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn about his health, but it's not good. But Dom, they booed Dom. They were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill went up and go, fuck you. You know, and he just went into this crazy rant.

2:40:17Joe Rogan:Who else had a moment like that?

2:40:18Donnell Rawlings:Who? Bernie Mac. Did he? Oh, on Def Jam. Yeah. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. Yeah. Boom.

2:40:24Joe Rogan:You know how that was born? Why? First off, Martin Lawrence was the host, and that night, everybody was taking licks, right? Ooh. And there was another, it was a comment from D.C. named Butch Burns, right? He was very popular in D.C. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. Motherfuckers throwing shit. There was nothing that Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and you're on your own. It's like whoop-de-doo. So Butch Burns had bombed. The room was going crazy. Martin couldn't do anything. Next on deck was fucking Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac saw Butch Burns on the way out, and he told him, he was like, listen, man, hold your head up, man.

2:41:05Joe Rogan:He said, the sun might not shine on your day, but you'll have another opportunity to shine. And the reason, he didn't plan on I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers. And then Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before. He dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a Chicago player, but he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So you even watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one. The next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was dressed up for that part of it. No idea. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.

2:41:37Joe Rogan:He did have the energy that he was going to do, the connection he was going to have with the DJ. But what made it so explosive is that he said, fuck y 'all. He said he did his joke. That's why you hear like, why was he saying I ain't scared of you motherfuckers? It was because of the other shit. He said, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. Kick it! He said, what did he say? And it was such the most simple stock jokes. Bernie was so powerful. So powerful. So powerful. The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special that happened, that's why that fucking audience looked, was so fucking charged up because he said, fuck y 'all.

2:42:20Donnell Rawlings:I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy Connection in Faneuil Hall in Boston. I remember that club.

2:42:25Joe Rogan:He was on fire. He was so powerful. First time I saw him at Comedy Connection at Greenbelt, I used to do this club and it was a couple of people that had come through and I was like, these motherfuckers are the next level. It was him. Another person that was like that was George Wallace. Oh, yeah. You know another person that was like that? Rich Voss. Oh, yeah. Yo, George Wallace. First off, I knew George Wallace on the next level. I've never seen anybody go to the comedy club, and the deal he had was 100 % of the door. Wow. You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100 % door. They had to give it to him.

2:42:58Joe Rogan:Wow. And George Wallace, he was old. George Wallace has always been an older dude, right? Somebody said, you know his thing is your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did a mama joke and motherfucking Jordan Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss fucking, Rich Voss fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform at his club. It was a black club. Rich Voss came in. He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right? He had jerry curls. No, Rich Voss had a ponytail. The same one that Jamie was wearing, right? It was Rich Voss's, right? and I saw Rich Foss go up there and destroy this crowd I was like this white dude don't know what's going on and he fucking killed that shit I had to you know when we talk about joke stealing right I've never I stole one joke in my life and I apologized to Rich Foss I was doing a show and none of my jokes worked I tried yo I tried everything I tried everything and I said to myself what joke have you heard I didn't mean to steal, right?

2:44:06Joe Rogan:I borrowed it, okay? I said, what one joke you know that fucker will kill this audience? And Rich Voss used to have this joke. He said, you know what they say? Once you go black, you never go back. He said, yeah, because your father won't let you back in the house, right? I stole that joke. I got him laughing. I got him back on track. And then I had to call Voss. I said, man, I'm so sorry. I said, it's going to get back to you. But I stole the joke. He was like, no problem with it. Well, at least you admitted it. Yeah, I did. All right. I think we accomplished a lot.

2:44:39Donnell Rawlings:This was therapy for me. I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments. I'm going to stay out of the comments. Remember that podcast we did with RZA?

2:44:47Joe Rogan:No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me.

2:44:51Donnell Rawlings:I grabbed you at the end of the podcast and said, that was great. Don't read the comments. Exactly.

2:44:56Joe Rogan:That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time. You did tell me don't. But the part of that story people don't know is that I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my son in like two and a half weeks. I was on the road. And I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then I was like, you was like, yo, you want to hang out? This is what people don't know. This is the side you don't tell them. You invited me. You invited me. I did invite you. You did invite you. I thought it would be fun. You said the Riz is going to come, right?

2:45:27Donnell Rawlings:Well, we were having a good time. We did a podcast together. We were hanging out, and I said, are you going anywhere? I'm doing a podcast with RZA next. You want to hop on? I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be fun. It was. It was fun. I would like to tell my side of the story. We already did. We've done this many times. I think like every other podcast we do, you tell your side of the story.

2:45:48Joe Rogan:I'm never going to say this again, Joe. I was going to leave, and I was like, man, fuck Wu-Tang. I'm going to say my son. And I'm leaving out, and as soon as I get ready to get in my car, the RZA comes out and this motherfucker said what's up Ashy Larry? And I said fuck my son. I'm fucking with the Wu-Tang. Right? And I didn't but it was a good time. It was fun. But what people don't understand is before we did that RZA said yo yo bong bong bong I got this idea right? I said well he said I'm gonna do these jokes. They're gonna be. He was trying to pitch jokes like he was on the jokes and I was like please don't do that.

2:46:23Joe Rogan:I was like please don't do that. And we sat down and of Of course, I had a good time, but people's like, you just ruined it. You ruined it. You just ruined it. But shout out to the rhythm. It was fun. It was a good time. It was fun. And thanks for, whenever I call you, let me, I can't even tell people anything other than, yes, I'm on tour. Go to DonairRollins.com, get tour dates. All right. And here's my shit. A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. And that's what you're going to get when you come to my show. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, brother.

2:46:59Joe Rogan:I'm taking this gun with me. Jaden, stay sexy, son. Stay sexy. Bye, everybody.

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