#2457 - Michael Malice

11:27Joe Rogan:Right. Right. No, that's. But you're honest. That's why. Now, the Russian thing. Is there anything that makes sense to you to that? What is going on here? New documents show. Justice Department documents mention Russia thousands of times, Vladimir Putin over a thousand times, reflecting extensive Russia-related communications and contacts in Epstein's network. Emails, travel records indicate—oh, okay. Okay, so there's real something to it. Epstein made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere.

12:03Joe Rogan:The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions, not just sexual encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or back channel communications with President Vladimir Putin at times suggesting he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with Donald Trump. He had documented ties to at least one former Russian official with a background in the FSB Whom he used to gather information on a woman he claimed was trying to extort his business partners Well for sure you're gonna have that a bunch of Russian hookers that you're bringing over there

12:40Michael Malice:Some of them were gonna try to explain Putin was ex KGB the KGB for decades for like almost a century was blackmailing Americans this is one of the big reasons why you couldn't be there were restrictions against gays Because if you were gay at a time when it was socially unacceptable and the Russians found out about it, they flipped you. Because they would sit you down and they'd be like, look, we know, we're going to out you or you're going to play ball. And in those situations, you're going to play ball. This was a huge scandal for a long time.

13:06Joe Rogan:And that's a big – there's a lot. There's a large percentage, I don't know what the population is, of these undercover gay politicians. Oh, yeah. I don't mean politicians.

13:16Michael Malice:I mean the bureaucrats, like people working for Johnson and FDR. This was a thing. And they would know.

13:22Joe Rogan:Yeah.

13:22Michael Malice:And they would have honeypots.

13:24Joe Rogan:It wouldn't be hard at that time. Right. And for men, it's so easy to get us. Like, God, it must be hard to get women.

13:31Michael Malice:How would you blackmail a woman?

13:33Joe Rogan:I mean, how do you trick them into fucking some guy they shouldn't be fucking and why would anybody care? See, no one cares. Like, if a woman has an affair on her husband and has sex with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like, you go, girl.

13:46Michael Malice:Yeah, Stella got her groove back. Yeah, Stella got her groove back. How would you – if I want to – okay, let's walk through this. If there's a CIA lady and I want to flip her, how do I –

13:58Joe Rogan:You've got to get her to fall in love with you.

14:00Michael Malice:No, or you've got to get her husband to cheat. Or go threaten her kids. You've got to threaten her kids. Threaten the kids. But that's a hard one.

14:08Joe Rogan:But that's a different thing than getting her to do something that she shouldn't have done out of lust.

14:13Michael Malice:How do you blackmail a woman?

14:15Joe Rogan:Yeah, you don't – that's probably why a lot of women aren't in trouble. They are in trouble? Aren't. Yeah, they aren't. Right, because I would imagine you would want them too. There's plenty of women politicians you'd want to compromise. I mean they did get Stacey Plaskett. She was cooperating with Epstein going back and forth during Trump's administration. Did you see also Kyrsten Sinema, that lawsuit? Oh, no, no, no. I didn't see it.

14:39Michael Malice:So she was the senator from Arizona. She was a centrist and, of course, they ran her out of town. and she broke up a marriage basically. And in North or South Carolina where she's being sued, you can be liable for damages if you're like the side piece.

14:53Joe Rogan:Oh, I've seen that. And in the lawsuit, it's - That's a crazy law. I know. That's a bitch ass law. I know.

15:00Michael Malice:And you're suing a senator. And the thing, and I believe the filing completely because the filing said he had PTSD. So she was offering to give him psychedelics to help him heal, which I'm sure she did. And basically they just start a relationship. He left the wife. And it's like this is unfortunate, but it happens. But she's facing damages now.

15:20Joe Rogan:That's so wild that that's a law. Yeah. Like what if the person was on the way out anyway?

15:26Michael Malice:That's his argument, I'm sure.

15:28Joe Rogan:Yeah, I'm sure.

15:29Michael Malice:No, but the case – oh, no, we were a loving couple. We never had any problems. And Sanima shows up and now look at me. How is that not the man's fault? I don't – I think it's probably both. Well, no, she's suing Sinema. She's not suing the guy, I don't think. That's so crazy. Yeah. What a stupid fucking law.

15:48Joe Rogan:I don't know, North or South Carolina? Ah, there's some of them old school laws that are so dumb. How is that a law that people have to be together? Like, people change their minds on people all the time. They don't want to be with someone anymore. You meet someone you really like, and you go, I can't imagine living the rest of my life without this person, and I've been trapped in this fucking horrible marriage. I'm out. And then that person gets sued.

16:13Michael Malice:She had some other funny thing about like – no, no. The guy texted her like I think it was fuck the military and she writes back only the hot ones. So there's like – so she got all the texts out of his phone. That's funny. It's funny. It's a joke. Right. But I also – it's like I think it's – when the feminists talk about the kind of misogyny here, I think there is a bit of misogyny. That you're blaming the woman and you're not blaming the guy.

16:38Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. For that, like the lawsuit, that's crazy. That is such a bitch-ass lawsuit. North Carolina is one of a handful of states that allow jilted spouses to sue for alienation of affection. Yeah, it's just her. To seek damages from a third party responsible for the breakup of their marriage. You should only be able to pay them in tissues. You should pay them in just crates and crates of tissues. Oh, you get$500 ,000 worth of tissues. Just bring up fucking semis filled with tissues. I just think it's so salacious. It's stupid. We shouldn't need to know this. Well, even if we do know it, the law itself is fucking preposterous.

17:19Joe Rogan:Alienation of affection. People decide they don't like people all the time. That's why divorce exists. Yes. And one of the reasons divorce exists is because people find someone they like more. And they go, oh, I fucked up. I have to get out of this marriage. I'm in love with this other person.

17:33Michael Malice:And you don't always have to get divorced. There's plenty of marriages that survive shit like this.

17:37Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's true too.

17:39Michael Malice:What's the counter that fuck you, you're a bitch? Like he doesn't like you anymore? But the lawsuit thing is, you can get money for that?

17:46Joe Rogan:Kristen Sinema has to pay this lady money because she sucked that guy's - I think it's a million.

17:50Michael Malice:I think she's suing for a lot. How much? Do you know what the damages are, Jamie?

17:54Joe Rogan:Well, you go high just to settle.

17:56Michael Malice:Yeah, but the fact that there's no - I don't know what the ceiling is. I'm not an attorney, North Carolina attorney, but it's not cheap. it's like I think the side piece is she's basically paying the wife alimony oh my god it's real money yeah it's no joke does it say

18:13Joe Rogan:who would fucking

18:16Michael Malice:that's it

18:19Joe Rogan:she gave$9 ,000 to me and she's accused of

18:22Michael Malice:if it's 75 grand she would have paid it to shut her up

18:25Joe Rogan:maybe she just doesn't want to out of principle

18:29Michael Malice:it's gotta be more than 75 grand There's no way. You're a senator. You're just going to.

18:34Joe Rogan:Maybe. Maybe because most people have the reaction that we're having. Like, no one's outraged. No one's angry. Yeah, I think the response is that.

18:44Michael Malice:Oh, that's it.

18:45Joe Rogan:Yeah, she's alienation of affection. That's it? Nicknamed the homewrecker law and is seeking$75 ,000 in damages per her lawyer. She argued in a complaint that Sinema engaged in numerous unlawful acts with her ex-husband, including, but not limited to, having conversations with him. That's unlawful. Meeting him under emotionally and physically romantic and sexual circumstances. Having sexual encounters with him and encouraging him to leave his wife. She took her to some concert together. I think it was like... They said they went to a bunch of concerts. They went to Coppola. I think it was like Dave Matthews.

19:19Joe Rogan:Green Day, YouTube, a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Well, is that a physically romantic and sexual encounter? Is that what that is? Well, I think it's romantic. Put that back up, please. I was going to do this. concerts. I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the fall of 2023 when Sinema's then head of security resigned, the head disclosed to Matthew Amell concerns that Sinema was having sexual relations... What a bitch-ass security guard. Sexual relations with other security members. The security head urged Matthew Amell to leave but Amell refused citing the job's financial security.

19:51Michael Malice:I love the idea, like, you don't want this gig, she'll fuck you.

19:54Joe Rogan:She's fucking her security guards. Yeah, more power to her, I see. She's a wild bitch. While on the job, Matthew Amell had at one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint, that should he and Sinema be together on a work trip to Napa Valley, California, it would have appeared as if they were on a romantic getaway. Huh. 2024, Heather Amell discovered that Sinema frequently messaged her ex-husband on Signal, which included a picture of the former senator wrapped in a towel and a suggestion that he bring MDMA. Yeah, let's go, Kristen. The drug commonly known as molly or ecstasy to a rope work trip so that Sinema could guide him through a psychedelic experience.

20:37Joe Rogan:Wink, wink. In March of 2024, Matthew Emil and Ford informed his then wife that while he was serving as cinema security at an event, the former senator was getting handsy and that she held his hand and touched him. According to the complaint, Matthew Emil expressed that he didn't know how to get out of the situation without offending cinema.

20:58Michael Malice:She was also the first bisexual member of the Senate ever. What a good kid. So you know she's a freak.

21:04Joe Rogan:What a good kid. Molly, towels, pictures. Let's go. She's got my vote. I'm voting for again. She should run for president.

21:11Michael Malice:She should run for president. Sinema for president. Let's go, Sinema.

21:14Joe Rogan:Come on. She's a centrist. That's what America needs. You want a woman president? Yeah. Let's go. Let's get a freak in the office. I think we have a freak in the office right now. He struggled to admit to the affair, the complaint says, but expressed that he wanted a divorce. Oh. He struggled to admit to the affair, but expressed that he wanted a divorce. After a November work trip, Heather and Matthew Amell separated. Her complaint alleges that her ex-husband and Sinema remain romantically involved. Sinema and Matthew Amell both appeared at a forum in October. Are they still together? I don't know.

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23:06Michael Malice:The security guard said explicitly, she's boning all the security guards. Yeah. It's like she's going through them. She's a freak. Yeah. More power to her. Yeah.

23:13Joe Rogan:Like, look, we don't have any problem with men that do that. I think we do. Well, we do now. Some people do. I don't. There's two types of people that want to be leaders. Warmongers and pussyhounds. I prefer the pussyhounds. Don't leave your wife alone with them. But I prefer them because at least they're just trying to get sex. They're not trying to blow up the world and conquer. And like they want to be Genghis Khan. Is it your position that Lindsey Graham is not a pussy hound? It is my position that Lindsey Graham is allergic to pussy. Yeah.

23:47Michael Malice:Wait, are they?

23:48Joe Rogan:Remember when they asked him if he was going to run for president? He ran. When he's single. Yeah, but he's single. Yeah. And what about a first lady? He's like, maybe I'll have a bunch of first ladies. Oh, my. Did he say that? He said something along those lines.

24:00Michael Malice:I remember. Which is never something a man would say who's into women. Barbara Mikulski, who was the senator for Maryland for many years, who was like 4 '11 hobbit creature, clearly gay, no disrespect to her. She was asked about it. And she turns to the guy next to her. He's like, hey, good looking. It was something like that. It was so cringe and awkward.

24:20Joe Rogan:Yeah. So what did Lindsey Graham say about having many first ladies?

24:26Michael Malice:Oh, my God.

24:27Joe Rogan:He mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in for the role, it says. Oh, okay. He would have a, quote, in quotes, rotating first lady.

24:34Michael Malice:Because, like, what, Dolly Madison did that. Like, there was one of the first early founding fathers was a widower.

24:41Joe Rogan:Rotating his sister first and then rotating first lady. What year was this when he was running? 2015. Hey.

24:50Michael Malice:Do you remember the thing I remember about his campaign is Trump had a rally and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone number, right? He did? Oh, you don't remember this? This is the best part. No, no. This is so insane. So Trump is like – because Lindsey would call him for campaign donations and Trump's like, if you guys don't agree, let's give him a call. He holds up the page and goes, three, four, five, blah, blah, blah. And Lindsey – yeah. Look at that face. Look at his face. what is this world we're living in no no no but hold on it gets even better so lindsey like how do i reclaim the narrative lindsey filmed a video of him taking his phone and breaking with the hammer and i'm like but you still have the same number you just broke your own phone you're not

25:34Joe Rogan:trolling trump at all it's like if i just broke a device right you could have gone to verizon and

25:39Michael Malice:your number switched you give out my license plate and i wrecked my own car i'm not trolling you. I'm trolling me. I'm like, does no one realize this doesn't make any sense? It was so crazy. Everyone's so performative. Is there someone who's a warmonger? Well, Putin's a pussy hand. Is he though? Yeah. Did you not see... He's more of a warmonger. But he's both. Did you not see him with the topless girls?

26:02Joe Rogan:Oh, really?

26:03Michael Malice:Here he goes. He's throwing it in the blender.

26:06Joe Rogan:He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf ball. Oh, lightning on fire. Oh, let me see that swing. Let me see that bad show. He put Red Bull in with the phone? What's that about? I think it's lighter fluid, no? He didn't even get through it. Oh, it is Red Bull. Why is it Red Bull? He hit it with a golf swing. He lit it on fire. Like, this is so cringe. But it doesn't make any sense. He put it in a fucking bagel oven? Is that pizza bagels? Oh my god, what's wrong with this dude? But your number's the same. What a silly bitch. That's back in the old flip phone days, too. Yeah, 2015. Wow. He was still rocking a flip phone back then.

26:46Joe Rogan:No iPhone.

26:47Michael Malice:People are rocking them now again because of surveillance things. My friend Dave has one. Does a flip phone help you? I think so. How so? I don't know. I'd have to ask Dave. You can still get all those text messages. I think you're spending less time on the internet.

27:02Joe Rogan:That's true. Yeah. But you could also just spend less time on the internet.

27:07Michael Malice:Yes. That is also an option. I think that's a healthy option. You could do it. I want to hear your thoughts on this. So during COVID, there was a huge amount of time that everyone's spending online. Everyone's accessing the COVID. Everyone's constantly agitated. And my concern is that the social media—Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook as much as possible, right? All that data that they had during COVID is still there. Right. And I think all these social media companies are still keeping us in a constant state of agitation so you're stuck watching these screens and it's really doing harm.

27:44Michael Malice:And it's not getting better.

27:46Joe Rogan:That's a fact. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fact. Well, isn't he testifying? They're testifying soon about whether or not they set up their algorithms to harm children. They set up their algorithms to addict children to their social media platform. Well, you remember Elsagate? Elsagate, yeah.

28:06Michael Malice:Yeah, that was the whole thing. Yeah, explain that to people. Elsagate was this—I still don't think we have an answer. people made these they don't even know where it came from overseas there are these bizarre youtube videos with millions of views where it'd be like the hulk but he's like sniffing kids feet and elsa's just doing like putting in a cage like bizarre things that is kind of sexual but not really and you don't know what the purpose is but because they were like gaming the algorithm you know youtube this trump got in trouble with this when trump was sharing that video the very end of it went to a Lion King video making fun of the Democrats.

28:45Michael Malice:There's that one second of the Obamas as apes from the beginning. They cut there and it looked like he was sharing that. It was just the next video that was queued up. And it looks like Trump's video of the Obamas as apes on purpose.

28:56Joe Rogan:Well, they're all in it in the same video. But it was like Hillary was a warthog. Obama or Biden was also an ape. And he was eating a banana. Pritzker was the Lion King.

29:07Michael Malice:And Trump came out as a lion. Right. But the point is I think what he posted he posted only the first second.

29:12Joe Rogan:I don't think he posted it.

29:13Michael Malice:Yes He did I thought it was an intern well the point I mean it's from his account, but someone reposted it right?

29:19Joe Rogan:That's what it was he reposted somebody else. I think so yeah is in right but the point is anyway with Elsagate

29:26Michael Malice:Kids start watching one video and the algorithm just snags them. Yeah, and one hour later. They're watching

29:32Joe Rogan:Completely deranged stuff the Elsagate thing was weird too because a lot of it was like old cartoons and and what people are saying is that if your child, like say if you give your child an iPad and it goes from one YouTube video to the next and then suggests, those got lumped in there and you would click on it and it was all of a sudden like someone would get a bottle broken over their head, there'd be blood everywhere. It was really weird. And it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon. And there was no utility to this. Are those still available? I'm looking at the Wikipedia. It says it's kind of, it's continued, but it's switched from like the, it's whatever's popular at the time for kids.

30:07Joe Rogan:So back then it was frozen or whatever. And now it's like Minecraft. What are they doing though? Like why? Right. It makes no sense. Like what? Why would they have these cartoon characters get hit over the head with bottles? And because you remember that one? Like a lot of them, they would get drunk and fall and break their head on a fucking countertop or something.

30:25Michael Malice:Or they'd be covered. I think this was another one. They were covered in dots for no reason. I'm like, I'm kidding. Really? It was just like, what is going on? Or they're eating weird stuff.

30:33Joe Rogan:So does YouTube remove those videos? because there's plenty of violent videos on YouTube. Like, is it because they're, or do they put like an age restriction on them?

30:44Michael Malice:I don't think they did because what's the age restriction? There's nothing sexual. There's nothing.

30:48Joe Rogan:Well, violence.

30:49Michael Malice:But some of them were just weird.

30:50Joe Rogan:Yeah. Some of them were just weird. Like lots of shots of feet. Uh-huh. And there was a lot of ones where kids got left alone with creeps. Yeah. Yeah. Cartoons. Very strange. But there was also live action stuff.

31:04Michael Malice:Oh, really? Yes. and it's just like who are these people filming this and for what i saw another one there was this channel which has millions of views for each video and it's things like turtles vomiting up fish like dead fish like live action or dead fish coming from the ground as if it's i i don't

31:21Joe Rogan:understand what the point of this is do you remember um during benghazi they tried to blame the attack on this video oh my god you remember that of course that was the the propaganda was that there was some video that no one had seen. Right. Like some terrible video. Oh, that got it all riled up, right. Yeah, that got the Muslims riled up, and that's why they attacked.

31:46Michael Malice:And she was also blaming the 2016 election on ads on the dark web. It's like, how many people on the dark web? Do you even know what it is?

31:54Joe Rogan:Right. What are you talking about? Ads on the dark web flipped the election. That's hilarious. That's insane. 50 incels. Right. In a chat room. like but that's that was she says this all the time hillary yeah to this day well she just says it you know like she doesn't have to be credible anymore it's like we just assume we just know that that kind of community like if you're having a one-on-one conversation with her just privately and she started talking like that you'd be like what are you talking about this doesn't make any sense did you really believe that she got clowned in europe this week i did with the czechoslovakian guy yeah yeah it was funny it was very funny but the way she was interrupting too you want women to have their rights taken away like what that's not what he's saying he's literally talking about all this crazy shit these gender transitions and people were really like they'd had enough with the immigration people don't know you don't you're pretending that's not real like this way forward like if the democrats want to have a way forward where they connect with people you gotta admit that there was some reason why people were responding the way they did to a fucking open border to men playing in women's sports to all this shit gender transitions of children like people were freaked out and not just fucking republicans

33:07Michael Malice:a lot of people yeah karen's a swing voter karen doesn't like this kind of stuff yeah i don't know

33:12Joe Rogan:if you saw did you see nancy pelosi's retirement video no well you laugh but you nancy pelosi's

33:17Michael Malice:probably the smartest politician in washington in terms of being crafty like she knows how to fucking get a bill passed. She knows how to make people walk the plank. So she's retiring from Congress this year. She had this 10 minute long video about, you know, saying goodbye to San Francisco. 10 minutes. She talks about AIDS at length, right? Because obviously it affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention the word gay once, even in the context of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT. Doesn't mention black people, people of color. She mentions how much she loves going to church, St. Thomas of Assisi, and Veterans Day.

33:48Michael Malice:So I'm like, she knows what you're saying. You got to pivot and start talking to people about pocketbook stuff. But then Gavin Newsom recently undid his – he backtracked with Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah, I know about men and women's sports. And now he's doubling down on trans kids, which is – Is he really? Oh, yeah. He just started doubling down. God, how does he think that that's going to work now? I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary. Right.

34:13Joe Rogan:But does he not know that people are done?

34:17Michael Malice:No. because I'm sure he has better polling than you or I. And I'm sure... Maybe I'm just naive about California. Well, it's not California. It's the Democratic base who's going to vote for him. You know, he's also killed his mom. What? Yeah, he did assist his mom. He bragged about it to the Washington Post. You didn't know this? No. What was wrong with his mom, though? I'm sure it was something awful, but when I hear a politician talking about something that personal that publicly, I am not going to look at it through a positive vein. And this maid stuff is in 14 states now. Did you know this?

34:50Joe Rogan:Yeah.

34:51Michael Malice:Well, in Canada, it's off the hook. You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been talking to her about this. She completely blew my mind. So first it used to be, because it's always, oh yeah, 55.

35:03Joe Rogan:Long battle with breast cancer, deeply personal event he has described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide. The Washington Post report and his memoir expressed deep grief and remorse regarding her death. Morse is a very dark word in this context. He was 34 and a San Francisco supervisor at the time. But maybe it was his mom's decision and he helped her. Sure. If you're dying of terminal cancer and your body's rotting out, I feel like just like you put a dog down. There's times where I think assisted suicide is probably a good option if there's no hope and you're just going to be in agony for months.

35:44Joe Rogan:And there's times where people have gender dysphoria, and it's a good thing.

35:48Michael Malice:Right, but that's different. Hold on. My point is people like Blair White, Breonna Wu, they have gender dysphoria. It's perfectly appropriate to call them she. It's otherwise very disturbing. Five minutes later, once it becomes a political issue, it's anyone who just puts on a dress. Right. So the point that Kelsey has been going on with Canada is now they're going after people who are depressed. They're going after people who are disabled. They're going after kids. And the darkest thing that's happening over there, which they're importing here, is the old people are extremely expensive for the system.

36:21Michael Malice:Right. If you have socialized health care, I don't know what the number is, the huge number towards the end of your life, you're racking up those bills. So there's a huge incentive for that government to get you off of their ledger. So now they're having this movement where let's all get together and have we're all going to go kill grandma. Five minutes ago, if you don't wear the COVID mask, you want to kill grandma, you're a bad person. Now, if you don't want to kill grandma, you're a bad person. You don't want to end this way. You were such a strong person. Die with dignity, blah, blah, blah.

36:51Michael Malice:It's not always terminal stuff. And in Europe, they're having you with teenagers who are depressed. And you know perfectly well, everyone listening to this knows, it's not a slippery slope. It's an elevator shaft. Is this - This is the back door. Is it financial incentive? It's a huge financial incentive. Think about it. If you're old and you're$1 ,000 a day and the government's paying it, if I get rid of you, look how much I'm saving. Right. And you're, oh, you don't want to be a burden to your family. You don't want to have them sitting by your bedside. Come on. It's happening here. New York just passed it.

37:25Michael Malice:It's 14 states. And no one's talked about this. New York passed it? Really? New York just passed it.

37:30Joe Rogan:Oh. You see, Mondami is like, he's trying to figure out a way to use his budget. His budget is higher than the entire budget of the state of Florida, which has three times more people. No, it's not. Is it really? Yes, it is. Yeah. No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look it up. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Are you a fraud-paying American? Well, it's a fact that one in four honest, hardworking, tax-paying Americans has been a victim of identity theft. With LifeLock Identity Theft Protection, though, if your identity is stolen, they fix it, guaranteed, and you get your money back. Last year, the IRS flagged over$16 billion in refunds for identity fraud.

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39:51Joe Rogan:They do all this on top of offering a high-quality product of real meat, fresh vegetables, and essential nutrients. They even portion the food to your dog's specific caloric needs. Because keeping dogs at a healthy weight can help them live up to two and a half years longer. Try The Farmer's Dog today and get 50 % off your first box of fresh, healthy food. Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com slash Rogan. This offer is for new customers only. The budget for New York City is larger than the budget for the state of Florida. Holy, I did not know this. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is true.

40:37Joe Rogan:We should look it up. Yes. But I was reading an article about it today, unless the article's completely full of shit. They were saying that it's several billion dollars more for New York City than it is for the entire state of Florida, which has roughly three times as many people living in it. Is that true, Jamie?

40:54Michael Malice:I go back once a month to do Gutfeld, and I can't believe I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like L.A. better now than New York.

41:04Joe Rogan:Whoa.

41:04Michael Malice:It hurts me physically to say this.

41:06Joe Rogan:What's wrong with New York now? There's no— Here it is. Eye-popping amount, insider called Insanity, is up around$11 billion from the current year. So that's like 9 % up. A record$127 billion budget proposal on Tuesday. The socialist city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5 % proposed property tax hike. 9.5 % hike on New Yorkers, which he claims would be a last resort while allocating another$1.2 billion for migrants. Migrants. What's the Florida budget, Jamie? Scroll down a little bit. Okay. Wow. But that's what... Oh, my God. It's the same. It's about the same. Yeah, the New York one would have been that this year, I think.

41:53Joe Rogan:Yeah, but it's comparable. Holy crap. So it's not three times more, whatever the fuck it is, more? No, three times more people, right? Right.

42:01Michael Malice:So that is triple per capita.

42:03Joe Rogan:Yeah, triple per capita. So the budget of Florida, Florida House, is$113.6 billion to$115 billion. and the New York proposal is 127 billion. So it is more. Holy crap. So New York City, their budget is more than the entire state of California with three - Florida, Florida. Excuse me, state of Florida with three million more people, or three times the people. Holy proposal. I can't even talk. But for this year, it would be about the same. Because if it's 11 million, that's 116. Sure. That's the same. But the point is, it's still - It says it's up 11 billion from the current year. It's still a proposal, though.

42:42Joe Rogan:He hasn't passed it. Well, he's not. He's a fucking psychopath. The amount for migrants is crazy. There should be zero dollars for illegal immigrants. Zero.

42:52Michael Malice:I don't think you can have zero because if they're going to be there, you have to feed them. You have to do something with them. Literally, if you don't feed them, they're going to be robbing stores. Human beings need food. What are you going to do? Get them jobs. How are you going to get a migrant a job?

43:10Joe Rogan:Get them a job in Guatemala.

43:11Michael Malice:Wouldn't you rather give him food than a job? I don't want them taking American citizens' jobs. Well, the whole thing's a mess. The whole thing's a mess, but the point is you can't just throw him away.

43:19Joe Rogan:Right. That's the problem. Unless you're going to remove him from the country.

43:22Michael Malice:Right. Unless you're moving – even if you want to put him in jail, that's not cheap.

43:25Joe Rogan:Right.

43:25Michael Malice:That costs a lot of money. Right. So what are you going to do? I remember Piers Morgan had this amazing interview with my favorite British politician, Diane Abbott, who is really special needs, clearly. And in the UK, you have the government, which is members of parliament from the majority party. And then you have the minority party, which has a shadow cabinet. So if there's a secretary of state, Rubio, the Democrats would have a Democrat equivalent who would deal with those issues. And she was their shadow home secretary, which deals with immigration. And he goes, Diane, if the labor government wins the next election and you have illegal immigrants here, what do you do with them?

44:04Michael Malice:Do they get to stay? Do you have amnesty? You're going to deport them? And he goes, she goes, Piers, the Tory system is not fit for purpose. It's terrible. We'll be more efficient and more fair. And he goes, right. Gotcha. There's an illegal immigrant. Do they get to stay or are they deported? I've explained this to you. And she's just, it was just this amazing thing.

44:25Joe Rogan:Circular.

44:26Michael Malice:Yeah. I love her.

44:29Joe Rogan:How much money do they give to poor New Yorkers? Oh, it's not, it's going to be a lot. But is it the same amount? Look at this. Okay. So$7.54 billion to fill cliffs across six major unbudgeted needs. They haven't raised property taxes there in over 20 years. Is that true? That's what this says. It's 25 years since September 11th. Well, the property taxes are high. Just a point. But I understand they haven't raised it, but they shouldn't raise it.

45:00Michael Malice:Because it goes with as property values go up, the percent is going to go up. The revenue is going to go up as well. Exactly. There's no reason to raise it.

45:07Joe Rogan:Like this idea that they haven't done it, so they should do it. It's crazy.

45:10Michael Malice:Oh, look at that. So if your condo is$120 ,000, which is no condo is going to be that cheap, you're paying like 15 % every year in property tax.

45:19Joe Rogan:Yeah.

45:20Michael Malice:That's not nothing.

45:21Joe Rogan:That's not nothing. I think the idea is that rich people are just going to pay it, and this is what they're trying to push. Meanwhile, people are going to flee, just like they've done in other countries when they've done these sort of wealth taxes. That's$1 ,200 a month

45:38Michael Malice:So it's$1 ,200 a month, yeah

45:40Joe Rogan:$1 ,200 for the year A condo assessed at$120 ,000 would go from paying$14 ,000 to$16 ,000 But that's a condo that's assessed at$120 ,000 Good luck finding a condo assessed at$120 ,000 in New York City

45:57Michael Malice:$14 ,000 divided by 12 is$1 ,000

45:59Joe Rogan:For that particular condominium unit From$15 ,000 to$16 ,300 That's that's a difference of 1300. Oh, I see that's what you're talking about. Right. That's 12 % on 120 ,000 now do a $55 million condo 3.2 million dollar one the really the really wealthy people responsible for a large percentage of the tax income in New York City I think it's the upper 1 % see if what I think the upper 1 % of New York City are responsible for 50 % of the tax revenue It's got to be something crazy like that. It's something crazy like that. See what the actual number is. So the thing about that actual number is those are the people that are going to leave.

46:39Joe Rogan:Because those are the people, if they own multiple properties in New York City, and then he hits them with this tax, and it winds up being an excessive amount of money. And then they're planning on taxing people if they leave. This is like what they proposed in California. They've also proposed this, I think, in the Netherlands to try to stop people from leaving. Where you still have to pay taxes. Or France was doing some weird thing.

47:00Michael Malice:I remember when Depardieu was leaving, they were trying to do something.

47:03Joe Rogan:They were all just trying to steal money. Top 1 % of New York City income. 49. Holy crap. Yeah. Earners paid 48 % of the city's personal income tax liability in 2021. The most recent year with detailed data. Why is the most recent year five years ago? The PIT share equates to roughly 11 % of New York City's total tax revenue. PIT accounts for 23 % of overall city tax collections. So it's a lot of money. 48 % of the city's personal income tax liability is an enormous amount of money. So property tax is 45%. That's where they get all their money from, which you can understand because you can't

47:35Michael Malice:take the Empire State Building somewhere else.

47:37Joe Rogan:Right. But if you're jacking all that up, top 1 % paid 40 % of PIT. Shares may have declined post-2021 due to lower capital gains.

47:47Michael Malice:But he did do something I liked. So him and Kathy Hochul had this thing where now they're trying to streamline, I'm sure there's some catch, to make it easier to build. because they're understanding if rents are high, increasing supply is going to lower costs. So if they do that, I think that's a great thing, obviously, which I never saw coming. Right.

48:04Joe Rogan:That's definitely good. But there's still people who are just – they don't like that kind of leadership. It's spooky.

48:10Michael Malice:I'm much more concerned about – he has someone in his cabinet or proposed to be in his cabinet who's concerned with decarceration. And the principle is we got too many people in jail. Now, maybe that might be true broadly speaking, but when you apply that en masse and not on a case-by-case basis, who are you going to be letting out? Because I don't think this claim people used to have that, like, oh, all these people are in jail because of weed. They're not. It's certainly not in New York City. When I was on a grand jury and these weed cases came along, people wouldn't even indict them. They're just like, we're not taking part of this.

48:43Michael Malice:This is BS. And now it's legal. So for you to get to look at what's the guy who was on the Jordan Neely? Was that his name? But he had 40 arrests. The one who punched that girl in the face, the old lady in the face and tried to kidnap a girl. Yes. So for you to be in jail in New York, it's not nothing.

48:58Joe Rogan:Right. Yeah. And why?

49:02Michael Malice:Why would they want to do this? Because their principle is the system or society, whatever you want to call it, whether the term for it is, is making people who are marginalized desperate. So they act out. So instead of putting them in jail, which helps no one is the argument, we should be working with them systemically to kind of normalize and make productive citizens out of them.

49:25Joe Rogan:And what's their plan for that?

49:28Michael Malice:You have welfare programs, different training programs. Just throw money at it. And here's the thing. I can understand that argument maybe if someone's stealing bread to feed their family. I've never understood how I'm really poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down and do bad things to her. Right. That's not a thing.

49:46Joe Rogan:Or just randomly punch people in the streets or throw people in front of trains. Yeah.

49:51Michael Malice:That's right. It's like that's not – it's not because you're late to your job interview that you shove somebody in front of the six train. Right.

49:57Joe Rogan:Yeah.

49:57Michael Malice:It's dark, man. It's very dark. But L.A. is not as dark as this from what I – I think in L.A. there is still this sense of hope.

50:06Joe Rogan:Really? Yes. Because people I talk to in L.A., everyone I know knows someone who's been broken into. Like the home invasions. Oh, that's right. Like that's a thing. They're up in a huge way.

50:17Michael Malice:I'm just comparing two different kinds of cancer. And I'm saying the cancer in LA. Is better than the cancer in New York? Yes. Because I remember growing up and not that long ago with New York, you could find some new neighborhood and there'd be some cool ice cream store, some sock store, whatever, a button store, cool little spots. And it would be a fun adventure to just walk around and just walk in different places. And that's gone. Is it? Yeah. You can't open up some weird little store in New York anymore. The rent's through the roof. Like, the crime is through the roof. It's miserable. L.A.

50:53Michael Malice:has these little pockets, which I enjoy seeing.

50:57Joe Rogan:So what's the solution for New York after this guy's out? Do you think that it ever turns around or do you think it keeps going in the same general direction? And do you think the powers that be want it to go in this general direction?

51:08Michael Malice:It always turns around. So John Lindsay was mayor in the late 60s during the summer of love stuff. You had sexual assaults through the roof. You remember New York was going bankrupt under a beam when Gerald Ford was president. And Ford, the headline, I think the New York Post was, Ford to New York City dropped dead. And that cost him some votes and possibly the presidency. But New York has these, I don't know what the cycle, for Giuliani to win, you had to have a Dinkins. You know, for Obama to come in, you had to have a Bush. Right. But here's the other problem. There's two issues. One is a lot of people who could left.

51:44Michael Malice:There didn't used to be a plan B for New York because New York was its own thing.

51:48Joe Rogan:Now it's Florida.

51:49Michael Malice:Now it's Florida or Austin. Yeah. And New York isn't New York anymore because Fran Liebowitz, my second favorite public speaker, she had this point. She goes, look, there's a lot of things you could say about a city that's full of rich people. You could say it's good. You could say rich people are bad. You can't say it's interesting. and unless there's a space for young people of nothing to lose who are going to bring culture and innovation artists artists of broadly speaking not just little painters but artists it was Williamsburg it was the Bowery before that you know there were little pockets of magic and I Red Hook I remember there was a bar called Lily's and all of Red Hook was deserted and there's just one light open and I came to this bar and they were just amazing singers it was like a mystical experience and there'd be street art but that's you can't do that now friend of mine's girlfriend used to work in this place called den of thieves oh okay yeah and you get there's no sign

52:42Joe Rogan:right you go in there's this dingy little hole in the wall milk and honey this place is so cool

52:47Michael Malice:it's so cool but you can't do that anymore no so and i don't think under this guy there's gonna be that return.

52:57Joe Rogan:So do you think he's just appealing to this base of disenfranchised young people that have been told that the reason why they have all these problems is rich people are greedy and they've ruined everything and we should tax the rich and we'll feed the poor?

53:14Michael Malice:I think he is speaking to a lot of people. So people on the right think everyone on the left is like a big monolith. They're not. And I think there's a lot of lefties, especially young lefties, who don't think the Democratic Party is an effective mechanism toward resolving their issues and concerns. And he's not, he's just like Trump wasn't really Republican. He's a Republican on paper. We had no allegiance to the Republican Party. He took them all out one at a time. This guy's a Democratic socialist. He has no, in 1934, when Upton Sinclair ran for governor of California, after years of running as a socialist, he goes, people vote for the party their grandparents voted for.

53:49Michael Malice:So he's a Democrat on paper. He's a leftist, obviously, but he's a Democrat on paper. or Cuomo was the establishment hack. And he's like, look, it was like Obama in 08. Do you want to go with this old party hack or this young guy who's got a different vision? And he definitely does have a different vision. This isn't how Hillary would govern New York City or even Eric Adams or some of these others.

54:10Joe Rogan:Well, I think one of the big reasons he won was that debate where he said that he wouldn't go to Israel. You think that's a big one in New York? A hundred percent. I think that was an enormous shift. I would say that's a 10, 15 percent shift. 10, 15? Huge. We have the polling. Absolutely huge. I think the polling's horseshit because it's only people so fucking stupid they answer polls. Like, who are those people? I think there was a giant cultural shift where people like, right, shouldn't we be paying attention to New York? Why are all these people saying they want to go to Israel? Why are they saying that?

54:40Joe Rogan:Who's paying them? Why are they saying that? That's an odd thing to say. Sure. No one's saying, the first thing I'm going to do is visit Belgium. They're not saying that. They're saying, we're going to go to Israel.

54:51Michael Malice:Sure, but there's also a huge Jewish population in New York City. So when Cuomo tapped into that, I don't think Mamdani was somehow outed as an anti-Zionist.

55:03Joe Rogan:Right, but the percentage of people that are Jewish in New York City is small in comparison to the people that think that New York City should be the main focus of attention and not Israel. Sure. And I think when you have all these politicians that are doing things that don't make sense to most people, like saying the first thing I'm going to do is visit Israel. What are you talking about? The city's a mess. And then this guy comes along and says, I can serve the Jewish people of New York City better in New York City.

55:29Michael Malice:And he had a large Jewish percentage of Jewish vote. My point is, I don't think that that number happened because of the debate. I think that was part of his appeal from the beginning.

55:38Joe Rogan:Well, I think for fence sitters, though, that debate was big because you got to see one guy who's like, this is a solution to this system that we have been just replacing the heads of the people that are in charge. But it's the same exact mechanism.

55:53Michael Malice:No, that's what I was saying earlier, that he's not a member of the Democratic Party. Cuomo is this old party hack. And he's like, look, let's throw all that stuff in the garbage. This is something innovative and new. This is the argument Obama made in 08. And he's not wrong.

56:05Joe Rogan:Right.

56:05Michael Malice:Like when he had his inaugural speech and he said we're going to get rid of the cold whatever grasp of capitalism and be embraced by the warmth of collectivism, no Democrat is saying things like this. This is something completely new and completely innovative. So how it's going to look in practice – here's the other thing though. The mayor of New York has a ceiling to what he can do. So I would not – if I'm – he's 34 I think. Yeah. He's young. If I'm sat in that office and I'm up against the New York City real estate industry, it's not going to be an easy fight for me. Right. Trump had to learn this the first term.

56:46Michael Malice:It's like just because you're president doesn't mean people are going to bend the knee and play ball. So who knows what this is going to look like?

56:54Joe Rogan:And it's not just New York City. Seattle's doing the same thing. What are they doing? Seattle, they elected a full-on communist. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Who lived with her parents and hasn't had a job, lives off her fucking parents.

57:05Michael Malice:Well, this is also a big concern with the Democrats in general, with both parties. When you have the base and the establishment, we're basically just gangsters who are doing money laundering. And you have the kids who are like, we've been screwed over here in this shit for bullshit for decades. Let's have an alternative. What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to less extent Hakeem Jeffries and these people are coming up, the kids wanting democratic socialists? I don't mean kids. I mean young people who are idealistic and are like, we tried your way. It didn't give us shit.

57:39Michael Malice:It gave us Trump. What do you tell them? Yeah, what do you tell them? There's no answer. You like vote for Steny Hoyer for another 10 years? Like it's ridiculous. Amy Klobuchar is not going to be your candidate if you have this democratic socialist vision. She will not deliver that for you and she'll tell you that to her fate. So I think that's the dance Newsom is trying to do. And I don't see who – I think he'd be the perfect VP because he's a great attack dog. He doesn't have to worry about defending his record.

58:16Joe Rogan:He doesn't want to be the VP.

58:17Michael Malice:I've heard that too. But he was Jerry Brown's number two. He bided his time. Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number two when he was young and he had never been the governor.

58:27Joe Rogan:Sure. I'm just saying like he would be the perfect VP for the Democrats. I don't think he wants that. I think he wants to be the king. I think he wants to ruin San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become the president. You don't think he'd have a good shot? At being the president? Yeah. I think he does. He does? He has a great shot. I think he does. Yeah. I think people are that dumb.

58:45Michael Malice:I don't think it's that dumb. I think you can -

58:48Joe Rogan:They're that dumb that they're willing to vote party line no matter what. That's true. And a guy who's just a good speaker, who's a good bullshit artist, that he could be able to sweet talk his way into that position and just fudge data, lie about stuff. Nick Shirley is in California right now doing the same thing that he was doing in Minneapolis Yeah, and they've already uncovered fucking billions of dollars of for all right. Yeah. Oh Making videos about it. Oh same kind of fraud Medicaid fraud through the roof all kinds of crazy shit

59:16Michael Malice:Yeah, but I mean I don't know how much that Minnesota Minnesota stuff permeated I mean it took down Tim Walz, which is a One of the biggest scalps like no one saw that coming right but the same thing you take out Tim Walz Here's Klobuchar's governor. It's a Hydra. You're not – frankly, you'd rather have him.

59:33Joe Rogan:He's more defeatable than her. Does it depend upon how much fraud gets exposed and who gets connected to that fraud and what the investigation unveils?

59:42Michael Malice:You're going to have people who listen to NPR tell you with a straight face that this fraud happens under any – they'll have a little list, a list of excuses. It's been investigated and resolved. this happened what there's no fraud in florida in texas or what are you saying or why are you targeting the somalis right so you're not going to get and at the end of the day i think people expect government to have fraud and if it's in minnesota you're not really going to if i'm a democrat in minnesota i'm voting democrat and if i'm republican it's not how many votes is this

1:00:15Joe Rogan:going to sway well they've done an amazing job in minnesota of distracting people from the somali fraud by organizing protests against ice right and that's people need to understand like yes people are upset about ICE. Fact. Unquestionably, just regular people at home that aren't protesting. But that protest is not just organized. It's funded. It's heavily funded, organized. They had signal chats with Democratic congressmen or Democratic politicians, rather, that were involved in this. They knew what they were doing, and they did it because they wanted to distract from the fact that this fraud was being exposed.

1:00:50Michael Malice:Well, I think they would do it regardless, but Yes, it certainly serves that purpose.

1:00:52Joe Rogan:They totally shifted the narrative. Yes. Nobody's talking about the fraud anymore. Everybody's talking about ICE being murderers. Right.

1:00:59Michael Malice:Yeah.

1:01:00Joe Rogan:So it worked.

1:01:01Michael Malice:It worked. That's what I'm saying. If there's more fraud exposed, I don't know that it's going to work against Newsom.

1:01:05Joe Rogan:Well, it depends on how the trials lay out. So if people wind up going to trial over this and people wind up getting indicted over this, that could get more interesting because then you remove it from Minnesota and then it becomes this federal court thing. And so then it becomes mainstream public news if they do this correctly.

1:01:20Michael Malice:But if there is something there. But the thing is, you have to worry about if the judge is going to be complicit and if the prosecutor is going to be complicit, like the media is also. You've got to kind of fly that arrow through three hoops. Yeah.

1:01:32Joe Rogan:You've got to go through the bushes and make a small hole. Yeah.

1:01:36Michael Malice:And then to try to make it in dickhead. And then it'd be very easy for Newsom to be like, I'm so glad this got exposed. Right. I promise you, as president, this won't happen in America. And if you want to talk corruption, look at Trump and all his sweetheart deals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hillary's already throwing them under the bus about Epstein. They don't have shame. What is she saying? Hillary's like, Trump's in the files thousands of times. Like, let's have this conversation. She started already.

1:02:00Joe Rogan:Right, right. What does that mean, though, when you're in the file thousands of times? Because he is the guy that was in contact with the FBI about Epstein. He did contact the FBI after Epstein was arrested and thanked them for arresting him and getting him because that guy was a real problem. Right. And he did kick him out of Mar-a-Lago in 2005.

1:02:22Michael Malice:But she's being factual but not truthful. So it is factual that his name is in the files thousands of times. And then you leave it for the person listening to make that conclusion.

1:02:30Joe Rogan:Right. That's all you have to say. That's all you have to say. We were talking to Donnell Rawlings yesterday. He's in the files. Okay. Because Epstein went to visit his show, went to watch his show at improv in West Palm Beach. I did a search for the word retarded.

1:02:44Michael Malice:And the one email I found was someone like, can you mail me that photo where I look fat and retarded? That's it? It's not clear from who. It's to Epstein.

1:02:53Joe Rogan:It's redacted. No one wants to know they were admitted they look fat and retarded.

1:02:57Michael Malice:Or the N-words in there are a fair amount also.

1:03:00Joe Rogan:Well, there's a lot of references to pizza. You know, there's – I think there's thousands of references to pizza and jerky. The jerky in the pizza. And grape soda. And grape soda, yeah. So I thought – Well, grape – the thing about grape soda is grape is like what people do to get around the algorithm when they're discussing rape. When they – he graped them. But this was like 2011.

1:03:22Michael Malice:I don't think people knew about that stuff.

1:03:24Joe Rogan:Right.

1:03:25Michael Malice:And I don't think Epstein as a boomer knows how to get around algorithms.

1:03:28Joe Rogan:Right. That's not an algorithm thing. Right. It's just a code thing.

1:03:31Michael Malice:So I thought maybe it's a black thing, but then -

1:03:34Joe Rogan:Grape soda? Oh, right.

1:03:35Michael Malice:Yeah, but then he's racist. There's like things about don't bring black people.

1:03:38Joe Rogan:Oh, really? Oh, yeah. He says don't bring black people to parties? Something to that effect. Yeah.

1:03:42Michael Malice:Something to that effect. Please double check me on this, but it was something that he was not - No black girls.

1:03:48Joe Rogan:Oh, no black girls.

1:03:50Michael Malice:Interesting. Huh. So, yeah. I don't think we're ever - The other thing that I'm kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all going to have these mass arrests. And I don't see that happening. And I don't think you can do anything to force them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.

1:04:16Joe Rogan:So what else is left? There's three million other files. Right. They said they released everything. Well, they also said there wasn't anything. Right. You know, when Cash Patel was on here, it's like there's no videos. There's no evidence. There's no nothing.

1:04:32Michael Malice:The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, I've got the list. And I said to myself, and I talked to my friends. They all agreed with me. I'm like, I really don't think he had like clients list dot doc on his desktop. That's not a thing, right? So I believe he doesn't like have a literal list. And then she goes, when I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, but you said list.

1:04:53Joe Rogan:Right. Well, they had those binders. They were all performatively holding those binders. We have the files. We're going to go through them. Heads are going to roll. Nothing happened. And then Les Wexner, what did he say today? Jamie, you were saying that he said he got - He was a con man. He was conned or something by a con man. He was conned for so many years. I've been seeing online, I don't know the accuracy, that there's a bunch of missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001. Right. And that people are connecting that to 9-11. Yeah. Oh. Wait. Wait, 19 - Okay. Pre and post 9-11 are all missing.

1:05:27Michael Malice:Wait, so Epstein might be involved with 9-11? But I mean, what's the thumbtacks and strings? I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying -

1:05:34Joe Rogan:Well, there's a lot of people that believe that Israel was involved in 9-11.

1:05:37Michael Malice:Right. But I don't think Epstein was high up in the Israeli decision-making process.

1:05:41Joe Rogan:But I think they're just looking for financial records of things, and those are all missing. People's names. I just see interesting names pop up.

1:05:50Michael Malice:You know, if I found out Mohammed Atta was a pedophile, I might actually start to dislike that guy. that would really change my opinion of him

1:06:00Joe Rogan:wow coincidence oh this just came out yes I mean people are still digging in this stuff every day that's why people keep finding new shit all the time oh my god

1:06:09Michael Malice:scroll down this is fascinating that fucking cryptic

1:06:12Joe Rogan:George W. Bush photograph no the Clinton one's worse

1:06:15Michael Malice:yeah we have that outside yeah I saw yeah

1:06:18Joe Rogan:they stumbled across something where there was redacted photos if you looked through the files and typed in something like no photos rendered. Yes. You could change the.pdf to.mp4 or.mov. There's thousands of videos. Tons of videos are popping up. Wow. Yeah. People are starting to watch all those videos. Some of them are from the prison. Some of them are from the island.

1:06:36Michael Malice:Flight logs starting.

1:06:37Joe Rogan:Okay. Have they found anything in those videos? You got to go through them individually, right? Yeah, I know. People are now, I don't, again, the accuracy, I don't know. I've seen a video where someone said this was from the video and there's like a girl crying in it, but I don't know. Adderall and autism, do your job. find those videos

1:06:54Michael Malice:that should be the subtitle of this show the Dr. Rogan Experience Adderall and Autism do your job holy crap

1:07:00Joe Rogan:that's hilarious

1:07:02Michael Malice:oh my god what a world we're living in I want to talk about Scott Adams I was just at his memorial was he ever on your show? I got invited to speak and it was really a great experience I got a, because I'm a mental patient I got a Dilbert mask mask and the thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth right so Dr. Drew was supposed to speak and I was going to go there and do my little terrorism where I was going to have my little phone and say nice to meet you I'm Dilbert and wave and then swipe and be like you know can you take off your glasses please and he takes out the glass and be like uh nice eyes may I'm going to take them and just fuck with people at the funeral like Scott would have wanted um it was really uh great because it was very upbeat and i was kind of honored gutfeld asked me gutfeld texts me he goes hey do you want to speak and i go be a huge honor he just goes great and i'm like am i actually speaking or you're just you know quizzing me um i got to see cernovich was there posobik a few other people and then afterwards went to his house and there's something really kind of um eerie about Walking in the house of someone who had just passed.

1:08:13Michael Malice:His ex-wife, Sherry, let me take two of his markers, which I will always treasure and kind of hang in my house. There were two lines I couldn't say at the memorial because I knew the fans would get salty, which is, Scott is in heaven right now doing what he loved most, avoiding black people. And the reason Dilbert was a black and white comic strip is because Scott didn't really like the colors. Right. Because Scott was a humorist. Just go for the joke. Right. But, I mean, it's just weird how much he still resonates, I think, with people. And I don't really have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt it was important to kind of commemorate his passing because he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.

1:09:00Joe Rogan:Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly. He's cancer. He got turbo cancer.

1:09:06Michael Malice:Well, he had it in January 2025. And he said, I'm going to wait for my stepdaughter to get married. And she was there and I got to meet her. She was a lovely kid to get married. And then I'm going to do it. And then he tweeted something out. RFK jumped in. Trump jumped in. They got him this medicine. And they got him a few more months. And so he got six more months. Point being, with the maid stuff, just because someone's terminal doesn't mean they don't have months left. You can do a lot in those months. It was funny. there's a another cartoonist i apologize i'm blanking his name and uh he was friends with scott for a long time scott had promoted his work once and he went from like obscurity to like a big name and scott asked him hey can you write the foreword to my forthcoming biography and the guy's like i'm not really gonna have time so it like scott was that kind of person where he's just like just because you know i'm about to meet my maker i don't want you to be morose i i he his book Reframe Your Brain is a complete masterpiece.

1:10:05Michael Malice:Because what he does is he goes through mindsets and instantly recalibrates them. One of them is, the regular framework is, I should do great at my job. And his reframe is, my job is to prepare for a better job. And when you think about it that way, having that shitty job isn't that rough, because you're just laying the groundwork for something better. So when I spoke, I said, The framework is we're having a memorial for Scott, but the reframe is we're having a party and Scott's really late. Right. So if you think about that terms, hey, we're having fun. Where's this asshole? Because he didn't want us to be there like moping.

1:10:39Michael Malice:He won. He always was positive, always was fun, even during that day. So I thought I just owe him a lot. Did he blame his death on the covid shots? So he got a lot. this really bothered me because he'd be tweeting about stuff people like shouldn't have got the shot it's like this guy's about to die this is your gotcha moment this is your like I told you so moment it's just so he did not blame it I wouldn't be surprised if that was the you saw what just happened I met James Van Der Beek through you I met him at the mothership in the green room 48 six kids the wife seemed very sweet and charming too he was just a good seemed like a real chill dude I haven't seen one person

1:11:19Joe Rogan:yeah he seemed like a super nice guy

1:11:20Michael Malice:Not one person's anything bad to say about him, which says a lot from that kind of era. No, he was a sweetheart. So, 48, man.

1:11:27Joe Rogan:That's scary. I know. And there's an unprecedented number of young people that are dying of cancer. In fact, was it Time Magazine that had a cover of it? I saved it because the cover's kind of crazy because it's proposing, like, what is causing these things and why is this all happening as if no one knows. Yeah, right. Like, what could it be? Some fucking mystery. Could be anything. You know, I know I saved it. Something from a year ago. Race to explain how more young adults are getting cancer. Holy crap. Yeah. What do you think it could be? Anything weird happen? Do you guys know what SV40 is?

1:12:04Joe Rogan:You should probably look it up.

1:12:06Michael Malice:What's amazing about articles, like, does that article make it a point? Do they ignore the so-called vaccine or do they downplay it as the cause? Like, those are the two options.

1:12:15Joe Rogan:Right. What do they say in that article? Did they bring up? I'd love to hear that.

1:12:22Michael Malice:Couldn't possibly be. Do you know what really fucked me up recently? And you're going to laugh in my face. And every Maha person listening to this is going to laugh in my face. What? And you can feel free to laugh in my face because it's covered in polka dots. Aspartame. I would drink. My main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero. It's warranted. I know. This is why I have the polka dots. and I go to New York and I'm low on calories for my macros and I switched to full sugar Dr. Pepper so it wasn't the caffeine and my thinking changed and I'm like this is and I go online this has been known for thinking changed how so?

1:13:03Michael Malice:I was quicker on my feet I was having trouble remembering words remembering names remembering just being my verbal cognitive speed of how I speak is something that is part of my job and I was having issues with that. I have to have workarounds, but I couldn't think of someone's name or someone's word.

1:13:20Joe Rogan:There you go. Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory, spatial learning deficits, and faster cognitive decline in adults under 60. Yep. Neuroinflammation, oxidative stress, aspartame metabolites can trigger chronic microglial activation and increased oxidative stress in the brain, leading to neuronal damage and potential neurodegeneration um you know who pushed that through right aspartame rumsfeld no yeah yeah yeah uh search that so here's the thing throw that into perplexity if

1:13:58Michael Malice:you're if you're listening to this and you're someone like me who was living on it just try for two days right really and you'll know right away if because i also had this low-key anxiety all the time like it was like a one out of ten but it was there i thought okay it's just whatever I thought it was just life. Nope, it's gone.

1:14:15Joe Rogan:Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of G.D. Serial in the late 1970s, early 80s, played a pivotal role in the FDA approval of aspartame, the artificial sweetener, in products like NutraSweet. Holy crap. So there was studies back then showing approval due to potential carcinogenicity risks. risks uh haze approved aspartame for dry food shortly after expanding it to beverages by 1983 what would there was studies on i think there was rat studies and he gave him like alzheimer's

1:14:53Michael Malice:well so i'm just warning people as much as i can pretend i'm a quack that's fine just give it two

1:15:00Joe Rogan:days lay off aspartame i'd see what happens to you okay well it makes sense i mean there's There's no biological free lunch. If you get something and it does something positive, it's probably doing something negative. If it's some novel potion that you're pouring into your body, there's probably some negative aspect of it.

1:15:21Michael Malice:I was talking to Dr. Mike about this, about Ozempic and all this.

1:15:26Joe Rogan:Brain tumors in rats. Yeah. Led FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval. Brain tumors. Fucking rats, man. highlighted high brain tumor incidents in rat feeding studies and risks from phenylalanine causing convulsions or mental retardation. Isn't that what they think killed Tammy Faye Baker? Didn't she drink like a fucking gallon of Diet Coke a day? Really? Yeah. Find that. I think that's what a lot of people, because Tammy Faye Baker, I think, died of brain cancer. Colon cancer. Colon cancer? Okay. What's that? That spread to her lungs. Oh, that's awful.

1:16:01Michael Malice:Went from her colon to her lungs. What is she doing, ass-to-mouth stuff? She should call it Kristen Sinema. I don't think it's contagious. She should call it Kristen Sinema. That was some weird orgies down there.

1:16:13Joe Rogan:Fuck. But wasn't she like a prolific Diet Coke drinker? I think she was. I think people were trying to link it. Look, it can't be good for you. Tastes like sugar, it's not sugar. Can't be good for you.

1:16:28Michael Malice:It did a number on me, and I'm happy to be able to warn people. It scared the fuck out of me

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1:19:27Michael Malice:So that's in me now.

1:19:28Joe Rogan:Yeah. There's other protein bars. You don't have to eat that shit.

1:19:31Michael Malice:I think they all have that.

1:19:32Joe Rogan:No, I eat carnivore bars. You ever have carnivore bars? No, I haven't. It's just like fat and meat. I use MRE Light is the brand I use. Carnivore bars are great. They just taste like you're eating fat, fat and meat.

1:19:46Michael Malice:Okay. Is that all the ingredients are?

1:19:48Joe Rogan:Yeah. I don't think there's anything bad in them at all. I think it's like, pull that company up, Carnivore Bars.

1:19:57Michael Malice:I'm happy to switch.

1:19:59Joe Rogan:Yeah. I think it's pretty natural. I don't think there's anything in there. This has got to have a lot of salt or sodium. Yeah, there's some salt in there, but salt's not bad for you. That's all horse shit.

1:20:08Michael Malice:Like when you're eating TV dinners and those numbers that's not that's different TV dinners are filled with preservatives

1:20:13Joe Rogan:Yeah, carnivore snacks is great. This is no well This is something that I eat all the time. This is my go-to snack when I go to the UFC That's the stuff I bring okay, I bring that and you bring it you don't have it for you No, I bring it I bring it because I Dana get this company so they send me a bunch of it. It's fucking great that but the carnivore bar so this stuff Okay. Purest meal on earth, two ingredients. 20 grams of protein, 35 gram animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories from grass-finished beef, shelf-stable, no refrigeration. Oh, shit, okay. That's what I eat.

1:20:49Michael Malice:Okay, send me some, guys. I have some. Oh, I'll take some. They'll send you some. Hell yeah.

1:20:52Joe Rogan:If I had some here, I eat those all the time. I take them with me, I throw them in my car. It's fucking great. If you want to eat something. That is what I need. It's protein. It's got grass-finished beef tallow, so you get the fat from grass-finished beef tallow. Some people don't like the taste of it. I like it. Why don't they? I like to. It's kind of mild or bland. That's fine, though. You're eating it from macros.

1:21:11Michael Malice:I'm just trying to get food. Right. Yeah. Nutrition.

1:21:13Joe Rogan:Yeah. But it doesn't make me feel bad at all. It feels like food. Like, I've tried some other stuff. Like, I tried those David bars. Oh, my God. I never heard of that. The farts I was having. So, David bars, they have some weird fat in it that your body doesn't digest. Like those Olien chips? Something like that. Something like that. but a new version of it and so when this company when they were purchased they got a monopoly on that kind of this whatever this ingredient is and all these other companies they blocked it these companies that were using it they couldn't use it anymore so a lot of people like boycotting David bars they taste good and they have like a lot of protein I think it's like 30 protein for like 150 calories but good lord the farts I was having and this is because your

1:22:01Michael Malice:body's like what is this i had that same thing with protein cheerios protein cheerios yeah it wasn't farts i was having the trots oh really yeah like your body's like hey this is fuck are you doing just eat just eat some meat yeah yeah but eat something like carnivore bars or those

1:22:19Joe Rogan:carnivore snacks are delicious it's just beef and salt that's all those carnivore bar those snacks are it's like a beef pastry good it's not even like jerky it's chewy it's delicious so this is a fat sub lab engineered fat substitute called EPG manufactured by a little-known Indianapolis based company called epigee after tinkering with the product formulation the Fugles set up a website in 2024 and began promoting the bars at local bodybuilding shows and farmers markets right so what does it say that stuff does so find out what that stuff does yeah but it does something where your body doesn't digest the fat like it doesn't turn into calories promoting them this is making it sound great yeah this is making it sound like oh they're the it's the best thing ever they're not mentioning the farts we are this is probably promoting yeah it is yeah oh no this is about the lawsuit oh oh it's essentially a better Olestra at the time fat was the big culprit for heart disease which it's not undigestible Olester was undigestible.

1:23:27Joe Rogan:That was its key attribute. It passed right through the digestive tract, therefore wouldn't result in body fat. The problem was its low melting point in the body, which led to an infamously polite phrase printed on the wow labels, may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools. Yeah, people are shitting themselves. Yeah. Isn't those Pringles or something, I think? Well, this stuff didn't give me loose stools, but it did give me like the devil was farting out of my asshole.

1:23:53Michael Malice:But I got to tell you, is that sometimes fun? Farts? Yeah. Like when you have a fart that sounds like a symphony. Like when you're old and you start having new farts, I kind of like it. I'm just like, I still got it.

1:24:04Joe Rogan:Well, this was just like, for me, it was a warning sign. My body was like, hey, this ain't good. I think it's a warning sign for other people too, Joe. Yeah, right. Anybody else? Name me. So what is the problem with that stuff? Demo look. Okay. Ooh.

1:24:21Joe Rogan:And problems. Yeah, I guess.

1:24:27Joe Rogan:So that was the thing. They were trying to block other people from using it.

1:24:31Michael Malice:Bloating, gas, and diarrhea.

1:24:32Joe Rogan:Yeah, bloating, gas, and diarrhea due to sugar, alcohols. Laxative effect, wow. And the non-digestible fat substitute, that's it, which are poorly absorbed and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts. The company recommending limiting intake to two bars daily to minimize discomfort. Wait, wait, wait. Can we stop talking about this? I love that they say minimize, not eliminate.

1:24:54Michael Malice:There's no food where you're like, you know, if you eat too much of this, you're going to definitely have discomfort.

1:24:59Joe Rogan:Who's eating two of these fucking things a day? I'm sure people— I know, but I mean, like, after the farts, wouldn't you be like, hey? But it's not only the farts.

1:25:08Michael Malice:It's the distention.

1:25:09Joe Rogan:The inflammation. Yeah.

1:25:11Michael Malice:Do you have that bloated feeling?

1:25:12Joe Rogan:For some people, but, you know, why they would choose something like this is they want all that protein with 150 calories, and they'll just take the farts. Yeah. Well, I mean, look away. It's not digestible.

1:25:22Michael Malice:That's the standard protein for bodybuilders. Yeah, but it doesn't bother me. Yeah, but a lot of people, whey is not easy to break down.

1:25:29Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:25:29Michael Malice:I have zero problem with whey. I can't do whey. Really? I was getting brain fog.

1:25:34Joe Rogan:From whey? A little bit, yeah.

1:25:35Michael Malice:Huh. Maybe something's wrong with my brain. I don't know.

1:25:38Joe Rogan:Well, you might have like some sort of a milk allergy or something. That's possible. Who the hell knows?

1:25:45Michael Malice:But the point is I switched to the whole meat protein. And that's much easier for me.

1:25:49Joe Rogan:Like carnivore snacks or those carnivore bars. That's the solution. Get those. And that way you don't have to even think. It's just food. And your body treats it like food. It feels like food when you eat it. It doesn't feel like. It's just hard for me to get enough calories in a day for what I need.

1:26:04Michael Malice:What are you trying to do? I'm doing lean gains. Lean gains? Yeah. What does that mean? So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight. So it's really a tightrope.

1:26:13Joe Rogan:Oh, okay. So you're involved in that again. I know you bailed on bodybuilding type activities. Well, no, I still go to the gym. But you're trying to get jacked. I think I'm in good shape. But you're trying to get jacked? I don't know. Okay. I don't know why you're doing that. I didn't do that. What do you mean? I'm just asking, are you trying to get jacked?

1:26:31Michael Malice:Okay, that seems like a kind of question that you cornering me in the gym would say. What do you mean by trying to get jacked? No, no, no, no.

1:26:37Joe Rogan:It's a normal thing for people that are trying to get swole. You're trying to get, like, big muscles.

1:26:41Michael Malice:I am trying to put on as much mass as I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.

1:26:49Joe Rogan:What are you doing as far as your workouts?

1:26:51Michael Malice:I go to gym four days a week.

1:26:53Joe Rogan:What are you doing with your workout? What kind of workouts?

1:26:55Michael Malice:I do a bro split. Don't make fun of me. No, there's nothing wrong with a bro split. There's nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with it. Works. Yeah, but I'm not doing legs because my legs are already too big for my jeans. What? Yeah. Get stretchy jeans. I have 30 pairs of jeans. I don't need to get more jeans. Point being, my legs -

1:27:12Joe Rogan:But do you have regular jeans that are made out of cotton, or do you get jeans that have flex in them?

1:27:16Michael Malice:I have 30 pairs, so there's a mix. But point being, my legs are great. I'm Russian. Russians have great leg DNA. So you don't work out your legs at all? You're going to get an imbalance.

1:27:25Joe Rogan:How? Also, if you work out your legs, your whole body will grow.

1:27:29Michael Malice:That's true. And you'll put up more pounds on the scale. But point being, I'm already at the point marginal with most of my jeans. And they're not skinny jeans.

1:27:39Joe Rogan:Let me see your legs.

1:27:41Michael Malice:How am I going to show you my legs?

1:27:42Joe Rogan:Just stand up. Let me see your legs and your jeans. Those are not too big. That is ridiculous.

1:27:48Michael Malice:No, no, no. I don't need to be. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. I will send you a photo of my legs and you're going to apologize. My legs are great. Okay. They're not chicken legs. I believe you. They don't look like chicken legs. They're not chicken legs.

1:28:00Joe Rogan:But I don't think you should be concerned about them getting bigger. First of all, it takes a lot to get your legs much larger. It takes a lot. Like you're going to have to really push past like some severe discomfort.

1:28:11Michael Malice:I'm not disputing that. But point is they're already marginal with my clothes.

1:28:15Joe Rogan:And I think that new clothes, you've got money. Listen, you got to keep your body balanced. Like that's why you should do legs. You should never just do upper body.

1:28:25Michael Malice:Joe, I am nowhere at the point where my upper body is too big for my legs.

1:28:29Joe Rogan:Well, it's not that you should condition both of them together.

1:28:32Michael Malice:OK.

1:28:32Joe Rogan:It's like you want to have a body that works together. My body is fine.

1:28:37Michael Malice:I'm not going to be body shamed on this show. I'm not body shaming. I'm talking about functional. What function? Going up the stairs?

1:28:43Joe Rogan:Anything you have to do. If you have to pick something up and move it. I can do that. If you're not working your legs, then all that stuff in your hips, all that stuff, all the surrounding tissue, all that stuff is not getting the exercise it deserves while you're working out your upper body. Fine.

1:28:58Michael Malice:The point being my legs are perfectly fine and strong. And it was hard for me to get the calories I need. That's all I'm saying here.

1:29:06Joe Rogan:So how many calories? What are you trying to do a day? I think it's like 3 ,200. Okay. Which is not nothing. That's a good meal for me.

1:29:14Michael Malice:That's a lot of calories. Yeah, I guess. What do you mean? You don't think that's a lot? I eat a lot. If you're eating clean, 3 ,200 is a lot. Okay.

1:29:23Joe Rogan:Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so 3 ,200 calories, but you're trying to stay lean. And are you on testosterone replacement or anything like that? I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, you are. Good. That's good. Peptides? Any peptides? You know what I tried? Yes.

1:29:41Michael Malice:Okay, good. I tried Glow. What's Glow? Oh, well, well, well, Mr. Doesn't Skip Leg Day. He doesn't have polka dots on his face. Someone does. You call yourself a bro, and you don't have polka dots on your face. Glow is this new peptide. It's a combination of three things, and it's called glow because it has heavy copper, so it's blue.

1:30:06Joe Rogan:Glow. Huh. You are welcome. Interesting. Most people combine PPC-157, TB-500, and GHK-CU without addressing sequencing or inflammation first. Here's what determines whether glow truly works. Interesting. Oh, okay. So it's a combination of all those things together. Interesting. Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad.

1:30:32Michael Malice:With your heavy lifting? It wasn't. I don't think it was heavy. It's just probably, I don't know what happened. You don't lift heavy? I lift somewhat heavy, but not enough. I'm not going to lift heavy enough to provoke injury. Okay. I think that's kind of foolish, especially at my age.

1:30:46Joe Rogan:It is, but if you want to gain weight. But I'm gaining weight. You're not doing benching or anything, are you? You do bench press? Why wouldn't I do bench press? Why wouldn't you? Yeah. Because it's terrible for your shoulders. Well, I do dumbbell bench. That's slightly better for your shoulders. Okay. But that activity of having a lot of weight down here.

1:31:03Michael Malice:I'm only putting up 70s. That's not that much.

1:31:05Joe Rogan:It's a lot for you. Okay. All that weight back here, when you're right here, it puts tremendous strain on your body. So what should I do for pecs? You could do dips. Dips are fantastic for it. You know, don't go past 90 degrees. You can once you condition your shoulders to be able to do it. But dips are good. Weighted dips are really good. there's stuff that you could do, like just kettlebells. Well, I don't do any chest exercises other than dips. Really? Yeah. I do a lot of kettlebells. Most of my exercises are full body motion stuff. Almost everything. I do a lot of snatches, a lot of cleans, a lot of like alternating cleans, a lot of renegade rows.

1:31:48Joe Rogan:Everything I do is kettlebells.

1:31:49Michael Malice:All I do is I know someone who really knows this stuff and I follow orders.

1:31:54Joe Rogan:That's good, too. That's good, too. My concern is always functional movement. My concern is always I want my body to work as one unit. I don't like isolating things.

1:32:04Michael Malice:I think I do a lot of compounds, like incline dumbbell. Incline bench is one example. Or I don't even remember what the other kind of stuff is.

1:32:12Joe Rogan:But if you have shoulder problems and you're benching, there's a lot of people I know that just have a completely eliminated benching. Is that right? Okay. Especially heavy benching.

1:32:20Michael Malice:It only resolved this week, thank God.

1:32:23Joe Rogan:But you know what? It won't like if you're doing kettlebells, that's the weird thing about kettlebells. It increases the strength of all your activities. They found that people that do snatches, it increased their VO2 max and it increased their ability to do chin-ups.

1:32:37Michael Malice:I did used to do kettlebells. I had one of the lifts in my workout, and I pulled out my back once something so fierce. It was temporary, almost like a cramp, but it was very, very scary.

1:32:48Joe Rogan:Do you remember what the exercise was?

1:32:50Michael Malice:Yeah, I was doing the when you're bending over and you swing it over your head.

1:32:52Joe Rogan:Snatch. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the key to that is warm-ups.

1:32:56Michael Malice:Do you warm up a lot? No. No, I do warm-ups with the weights. My first set will be 40 % of my working set.

1:33:03Joe Rogan:What I would recommend is, especially as you get older, you really have to warm your body up. And one of the things that I do is I always do 10 minutes on the Airdyne bike, get everything slightly sweaty, then I do a lot of jump rope, I get everything fired up, and then I do a lot of mobility exercises. I do like body twists. I do these things like you wave I get down to the bottom and I wave all the way up But I've been backwards and I go forward. I do a lot of twists I get everything loose and then I start with push-ups and bodyweight squats I do a hundred push-ups hundred bodyweight squats, and that's my warm-up So all that stuff by the time I've done with all that stuff now Everything's warm and now I can start working.

1:33:44Joe Rogan:How many days a week do you lift workout? Well, I work out almost every day Occasionally I'll take a day off, but I work out almost every day. And then with lifting, it's almost every day. It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm hitting the bag, generally I don't lift weights the days I hit the bag. So that's like maybe two or three days a week. So the other two days a week, I alternate between stuff like bodyweight stuff, like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips. I do L pull-ups where, you know, you stick your legs out straight. Yeah, yeah. So you're working your abs at the same time you're doing that. I do a bunch of different things, lower back stuff, a lot of back extensions, reverse hyper stuff, sit-ups on that GHB machine where you're going all the way down.

1:34:34Yeah.

1:34:34Michael Malice:I'm just happy with the results. And I'm of the if it ain't broke, don't fix it mindset.

1:34:40Joe Rogan:that's good yeah as long as you're happy with the results i would just avoid a lot of heavy lifting with uh bench press i think bench press is uh so many people i know that have fucked their shoulders up fucked their shoulders up through bench press i know a lot of bros are going to get angry yeah

1:34:55Michael Malice:i know that's what i'm waiting for it's oh my gosh do you bench bro yeah but here's the thing like

1:35:00Joe Rogan:we did this sober october thing where uh you know we had these these stupid fitness challenges and And then after Sober October's over, we all got drunk. And so then we went out to my gym, and Ari, Tom, and Bert were all trying to bench 225. And I don't bench at all, and I did it 13 times. Like, I don't bench, and I just— Ari could pull up two plates? No, he couldn't do it. Okay, that was just— No, they all got pinned. Yeah, 225's no joke. Yeah, Bert can do it now, but back then he wasn't lifting.

1:35:32Michael Malice:You can't casually do two plates.

1:35:34Joe Rogan:Yeah. No one can. Yeah, but I did without ever benching.

1:35:37Michael Malice:No, but I mean like you're someone who works out or damn. Right. So if you're casual, there's no way of putting in two points. They all got crushed. Yeah, of course. Wait, they thought they could do it?

1:35:44Joe Rogan:Bert did. Bert definitely did. But Bert's heavy, right? How much does Bert weigh? He's like 250 probably. Oh, Bert's like 250. Yeah, for sure. Tom was bigger at the time too.

1:35:52Michael Malice:Okay. I mean, it must have just collapsed. Yeah, they got crushed.

1:35:56Joe Rogan:But the point is, it's like doing kettlebells will help all those other things. Yeah, of course. Because it just – your whole body gets strong, and it's not an unusual motion to do that. You know, you could do it. Yeah. I just – I like the weights. Dumbbell weights are great. There's nothing wrong with weights. I just would be careful about benching. I think dumbbell benching is probably better than barbell benching, and I just think there's other ways to work your chest.

1:36:25Michael Malice:Okay. I'll talk to Monster Russ. That's my guy.

1:36:29Joe Rogan:And there's a lot of people that don't even agree with dips. Like my orthopedic surgeon that told me that I need to get my shoulder operated on 15 years ago, and I never did. He was like, got to stop doing dips. I go, why? He goes, everybody I know that have fucked their shoulder up did it through dips. I go, well, that doesn't mean anything. Right. I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him and his body. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

1:36:51Michael Malice:And look at all these gymnasts. They do dips 24-7.

1:36:54Joe Rogan:Exactly. Just build up to it. Don't do too much. All of it is like overworking your body. You have to like slow progression is the key. There is something fun about it.

1:37:04Michael Malice:I do love doing dips because you feel like you're flying. There's something about it when you're just kind of, yeah, yeah.

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1:39:13Joe Rogan:or you can go to shopmando.com and use the code ROGAN for 20 % off your first order. Dips are. Yeah, along with the push-ups. Do 100 push-ups a day and then do dips. But you're the—OK, we could talk about this also.

1:39:28Michael Malice:You're the one—can I tell you what you said to me at the mothership about this? What did I say? You said you can't be jacked and be funny. Well, you can, but you can't show it. I meant like at a certain point you're too jacked. There's a cost.

1:39:44Joe Rogan:Well, there's definitely a cost to the way you look. Like you look intimidating. Right. And that's not that funny for people. Right.

1:39:50Michael Malice:Yeah. And Roseanne was telling me when she was starting out, she lost all this weight and people stopped laughing. Ah, there's plenty of skinny, funny women. Not in 1981.

1:40:02Joe Rogan:Are you calling Roseanne Barr a liar? No, I just don't think that's what it was. I've seen people lose weight and still be hilarious. It's just like, there is a mentality that people have. Like Kevin James, his fucking agent said this to him once. I got furious. Kevin was losing weight. He was trying to get in shape. He was really self-conscious about his weight. And his agent said, Kevin, when you lose weight, you're losing roles. But that's true though. Because he's very much a specific character. He could fucking do anything. He's a talented guy. It's not like if he lost the weight, he wouldn't be funny anymore.

1:40:33Michael Malice:That dude's fucking funny. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not disrespecting Kevin James in any way. Mad respect for him. Ball Cop, the greatest comedy of all time. It's a funny movie. I believe you. I haven't seen it. Point being, he is very much in people's mind a certain specific thing. Right. So if Kevin James stopped being that thing, I think it's going to be hard for a lot of normies to come over with him to a different paradigm. That's all I'm saying. Come on.

1:41:02Joe Rogan:It would be a challenge, but I think he'd still be hilarious. I do not think that he is limited by his weight.

1:41:08Michael Malice:Okay. If Will Ferrell got Hugh Jackman, you think he'd have the same roles?

1:41:14Joe Rogan:He wouldn't necessarily have the same roles. He would still be very funny.

1:41:18Michael Malice:Yes, he would. But you know perfectly well that there's lots of people -

1:41:21Joe Rogan:It would be weird because he would be super jacked. Like if he got The Rock jacked. Right. It would be weird.

1:41:27Michael Malice:People don't know how to deal with that stuff. So the agent's not wrong.

1:41:31Joe Rogan:Well, the agent's still not looking out for Kevin's health. Was he that big? He was big and he didn't like it and he was worried.

1:41:39Michael Malice:Yeah, okay, that's very fair.

1:41:40Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:41:41Michael Malice:But you don't have to go from, you could go slimmer. You don't have to go to running peptides and stuff.

1:41:47Joe Rogan:Right, you don't have to get jacked.

1:41:49Michael Malice:Yeah. But maybe he wants to.

1:41:51Joe Rogan:You can, it could be done.

1:41:53Michael Malice:I mean, what's that guy who claims he's Natty, that Indian guy? Who was in, I think, the Avengers or something?

1:42:01Joe Rogan:Oh, Camille?

1:42:02Michael Malice:Yeah. Was it him? I don't think he claims he's natty. Does he? They do special. No. It's special exercises, Joe.

1:42:10Joe Rogan:Come on. He doesn't even claim he's on testosterone replacement?

1:42:14Michael Malice:Don't you know that if you just do lateral races. Yeah, he claims natty. He has to. They all have to. I don't know if that's real. Yes, it does. Look him up.

1:42:25Joe Rogan:He did a very funny bit about people being angry at him for getting in shape. Oh, okay. Yeah, he did a funny bit in his stand-up, his recent stand-up special about that. Does he claim that he's natural? That's a weird thing.

1:42:37Michael Malice:Wait, the one I'm thinking of is in a stand-up, the one from the movies.

1:42:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, he's a stand-up. He started out as a stand-up. Oh, good for him. Camille Nanjiani, right? Yeah. Yeah, he started out as a stand-up. Yeah. And he's doing stand-up again, and he just released a special. What's his name claims? Natty 2, the Thor. They all do. No, that guy claims daddy. They have to. Chris Hemsworth?

1:42:57Michael Malice:I think he does.

1:42:58Joe Rogan:Get the fuck out of here. That guy gained like 60 pounds of solid muscle.

1:43:02Michael Malice:Well, that's because he's doing lateral raises, you fool. Oh, I didn't know. How do you know? You've never seen him put a needle in his ass. You're right, I don't. He has personal trainers that teach him second exercises.

1:43:11Joe Rogan:You're right. I've been on testosterone replacement for a long time, and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants to stay in shape. How long have you been on it? Since I was like almost 40. I started with like the cream, and then, well, I noticed my, I was, you know, I was training a lot. That was back then I was doing jujitsu four or five days a week and I was lifting. That's harder than body. It's hard. Yeah, of course. And you're always tired. And, you know, I had a doctor that specialized in that stuff. It's one of those things was hormone replacement therapy and doing a lot of it for people that had head injuries.

1:43:45Joe Rogan:Because people with head injuries, people that have had CTE and a lot of like you have damage to your pituitary gland. A lot of times your brain is not producing testosterone at the level it's supposed to. Oh, is that right? Yeah, your pituitary gland gets damaged from repeated head trauma. That's one of the things that causes depression in a lot of people that have had head trauma. It's like your body's not making hormones anymore. So you're just like, you're fucking lethargic all the time. That's a factor. His statements. He described a year-long process with professional trainers, nutritionists funded by Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie tracking, no refined sugar, and minimum fats.

1:44:20Joe Rogan:In his 2019 Instagram post, he emphasized the resources required but never mentioned PEDs, steroids, or denied their use. So he never denied it. Okay, he didn't deny it. Okay, I take it back. I apologize. Yeah. From a softer build at age 41, for fucking sure, he got on testosterone. There was a lot of people that were giving me shit about being on testosterone like 15 years ago that are on it now. No disrespect to him. Well, there's nothing wrong with it. I just said I'd do it. No, that's the point. I should do it at a certain point.

1:44:51Michael Malice:It's just really funny when people are yelling at him, oh, you're cheating. It's like cheating for what?

1:44:55Joe Rogan:Where's the test? People are silly. People are silly. And they're just mad that he didn't look like – he looked like them. He was doughy. And now all of a sudden he looks like a bro. And they don't like it.

1:45:05Michael Malice:Yeah, but the thing that's kind of crazy is now the kids in high school are hopping on.

1:45:08Joe Rogan:That's crazy because you're going to destroy your endocrine system.

1:45:11Michael Malice:And also if you're peaking at 18, that's not going to be good for your mental health.

1:45:15Joe Rogan:Well, it's not just that. It's just like it kills your dick. It kills your – When you put a bunch of exogenous testosterone in your body, your body stops making testosterone. And so say if you're on a cycle for like a month, two months, it will take you four months for your body to get back to normal. I think that's the ratio most people, if you're not taking like clomiphene or any of these other things or HCG or something that naturally ramps up your testosterone, I think they think that the number is like double the time that you're on a cycle before you get back to normal. If you keep running cycles, it gets harder and harder.

1:45:49Joe Rogan:100%, because your body starts relying on it, and your endocrine system shuts down. And it's like, why do we have to make testosterone? This guy's got more than a normal human ever has. Right. And so we just stop. And I think these numbers are through the roof with the kids now. Well, they all want to be like an influencer. They all want to be jacked. You know, it's just like you don't understand the harm you're doing to your body. But it's also the kind of thing where it's just like you shouldn't be comparing yourself to the guy on Instagram.

1:46:14Michael Malice:Right. Or the gym. and compare yourself to the guy on the plane. Next time you're at an airport, that's what I do. That's what kind of helped me. When I get on a flight, I'm like, how many of these people, especially my age, are in good shape? It's going to be one out of 100.

1:46:26Joe Rogan:Well, the other thing is there's, especially when you're young, there's plenty of stuff that you can do that's natural and super beneficial and not dangerous, like creatine. Creatine is tremendous.

1:46:37Michael Malice:But you're not going to be a name. A name. No one's going to notice you on Instagram. That's the thing. They're chasing the fame. Oy, that's so sad. It's very sad. It's very – I mean, some of these guys look better than Schwarzenegger and they're 17. It's insane. But it's just like what's your future going to –

1:46:54Joe Rogan:Well, you're not going to have kids, right? You're going to be sterile. You're not going to have any sperm.

1:46:59Michael Malice:But, you know, there was that thing about they asked Olympians, would you give up like 20 years of your life if you were guaranteed a gold? And like 90 % of them said yes.

1:47:08Joe Rogan:Yeah. I know. Well, look at Lindsey Vonn. I mean, she knew that she had a blown ACL and she still skied. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, she blew her ACL out like a couple of weeks before the Olympics and still decided to compete and then shattered her leg with this horrible compound fracture.

1:47:24Michael Malice:Oh, my God.

1:47:25Joe Rogan:Oh, you didn't know about that? Oh, yeah. She had to get airlifted. She's had multiple surgeries. She's fucked for a long time. Her leg broke in multiple places. She's got rods and stuff in it. And leg breaks are really scary because your body doesn't necessarily always heal from those. Like sometimes the blood flow is not appropriate. It's not what you need. And people get their legs amputated from those things. Jesus. Yeah. Femur breaks are super dangerous.

1:47:53Michael Malice:I've never broken a bone. Ever? I know, right? That's crazy. Yeah. Nothing? Part of me is like, is this something I want to try before I die? No, it sucks. Does it? But how bad is it?

1:48:04Joe Rogan:Well, I broke my arm when I was seven. I broke my forearm right here. I fell off a monkey bar and snapped my forearm in half. That healed perfect, but when you're a kid, they just put me in a cast and like six weeks later, I was good to go. I broke my fibula, the small bone of my tibia in sparring. A friend of mine threw a back kick at the same time. I was throwing a kick and his heel hit my fibula and cracked that. But that was only a crack. I actually competed with that. I put soccer pads on it, those plastic soccer. I taped soccer instep pads. That was allowed? I didn't tell anybody. Oh, okay.

1:48:44Joe Rogan:Because it was a Taekwondo tournament, so I had pants on. Okay, yeah. And so I put like a regular, these soccer pads, I taped them to my calf, and then I put the foam one on over that, and I competed. Huh, okay. I won the States that way. Okay, great. Were you a national champion? I won American Open, and I came in second place in the U.S. Cup against the national champion, and I think I should have beat him. I got a bad decision. But I never won the national championships. But at the time that I was getting ready to try to win the national championships in 88, the problem was I had already been disillusioned because I had started kickboxing.

1:49:24Joe Rogan:Okay. And I'd already started realizing there's a lot of holes in Taekwondo.

1:49:28Michael Malice:Well, Taekwondo is like, with the rise of UFC, it's really not good.

1:49:32Joe Rogan:Well, it is if you know all the other stuff. Right, right. Because those kicks are devastating. Right. They're devastating. And a guy who's a really good kicker, like a Michael Venom Page, for instance, who's a karate specialist, who learned how to defend takedowns. They're really dangerous because they have the ability to cover distance and kick at range. And if you're not a good kicker and you don't recognize what this guy's doing, they could fuck you up. But there was so many holes in Taekwondo when it came to, like, punching to the face and then leg kicks. I didn't realize, like, how many holes there were in it until I started really getting into kickboxing.

1:50:05Joe Rogan:So I was, by the time 88 rolled around, I was already disillusioned. Huh.

1:50:08Michael Malice:Okay.

1:50:09Joe Rogan:Yeah. And then I was already starting to do stand-up, so it was like, what am I doing with my life? Oh, I got a bone to pick with you. Ooh.

1:50:17Michael Malice:I'm excited. Oh, you set me up perfectly. Okay. You set me up perfectly. Thank you, Joe Rogan. Bridget Phetasy sat in this very chair. Right. The chair I'm farting in right now because I had some vintage Olean chips from eBay. And this chair is going to be a disaster. That's the Trump chair. I know. And she told you that I'm starting to do stand-up. And you said, that's great. He's so funny. He could open for me. And then I was all excited about this opportunity. And I waited a few weeks because I was scared to, like, whatever. And you texted me about some meme. And I go.

1:50:53Joe Rogan:First of all, I don't think I said you could open for me.

1:50:55Michael Malice:I highly doubt I said.

1:50:56Joe Rogan:that.

1:50:57Michael Malice:You did, but that's fine. I'm not holding you to it. I'm just saying you said that. That's fine.

1:51:00Joe Rogan:Maybe I was joking.

1:51:01Michael Malice:I'm not holding you to it. You were just encouraging.

1:51:04Joe Rogan:Let's just leave it there. I think you're very funny.

1:51:06Michael Malice:You text me. That's a meme. I go, hey, I'm going to do stand-up. You go, you absolutely should. You're very funny. I go, I have my set. What should I do next? Do you know what you said? What? Nothing.

1:51:16Joe Rogan:You left me on a rant. You're on your own, bitch. What do you mean? Because you've got to figure it out. It's like, you know, I want to start fighting. What should I do? You know what to do. Go to a fucking gym. Figure it out. Start training. I can't hold anybody's hand. Stand-up is too hard for you to help someone in the beginning. You've got to actually want to do it. Sure. So you've got to go to open mics. You've got to do stand-up. You've got to get ready. Put a set together. Record it. Review it. Done. Okay. Yeah. So you're doing stand-up all the time. Not all. You're saying I should do it all the time?

1:51:44Joe Rogan:You have to do it all the time. It's like if you want to spar, you have to spar every week.

1:51:49Michael Malice:Do you know what everyone told me who I asked? Like I asked like 10 big names, bigish people who are names. And they all said the same thing. You have to bomb. Yeah.

1:51:57Joe Rogan:Well, bombing is good because it lets you realize how difficult it is. And then you don't like the feeling. So you work really hard.

1:52:03Michael Malice:And also, you know, you have to be ready for that moment and how to recover from it.

1:52:06Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. Failure. Failure, I think, in everything is good. Losing is important. It's very important. It motivates you to do better. You know, people don't like that feeling, but a lot of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth. And that's why they're important. That's true. heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired, you know, all those things are important. Okay. Yeah. Stand-up is important to, it's important to have like bad sets.

1:52:31Michael Malice:Oh, I think you said bad sex.

1:52:33Joe Rogan:Bad sets. Yes. Bad sex. So when was the last time you went up?

1:52:36Michael Malice:I haven't done it for a while because I didn't know what to do.

1:52:39Joe Rogan:Yeah, you got to do it a lot. It's got to be something that you're dedicated to. That's why I'm saying you can't just say what do I do. Okay. That's fair. You got to do it. That's very fair. I've been talking to Cal and he's been very helpful. yeah just there's plenty of places we could perform i mean austin alone on my street alone on sixth street is there's like within a one block radius like seven clubs i'm not arguing that i mean this is the place if you want to do stand-up this is the fucking place man i mean it's incredible right now okay fair enough point my club alone has two nights of open mic nights is that true sunday and monday night are both open mic nights okay then i'm going to sign up yeah we have a real development program the whole idea is like to make it so that we have like a real foundation of people that are coming up and that motivates all the people that are already doing well it's like all these guys are like really working hard and it gets everybody excited about working hard and then it motivates the people at the top saying hey these young guys are really good and then guys start getting specials and like cam patterson just got on snl all these things are happening for people from the club so it's like it's a great place okay no that's fine that's very fair yeah Yeah, but it's not something that you can kind of casually do every now and again.

1:53:47Joe Rogan:You can, but you won't be as good as you will be if you do it every week.

1:53:51Michael Malice:Callan said that as well. He's like, you have to put in the time. This is not something that you could do just on weekends or whatever. Yeah, you can't, like, run around your block once a month and think you can go do a marathon.

1:54:04Joe Rogan:Right. Yeah. You got to get in. And you got to. The thing about stand-up is, like, you're making a mountain one layer of paint at a time. It's not a quick process. To become a stand-up, most people agree. And it's not a hard, fast rule because it's depending upon how much actual time you do and how much focus. But the general rule is 10 years. Really? Yeah. The general rule is 10 years. Like people don't really think of you as being legit until you've been in it for 10 years. I don't know that I have 10 years. I don't know if anybody has 10 years. I don't know if the human race has 10 years. You see those robots in China that are doing fucking kung fu?

1:54:44Joe Rogan:Are they already? Oh, my God. They just did this demonstration, this martial arts demonstration with these robots on a stage. It's crazy how fucking, how they move.

1:54:54Michael Malice:I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to engineer a bioweapon. Oh, that.

1:55:00Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's real.

1:55:01Michael Malice:Because there was a piece, a guy, I forget his name, I apologize, where he's one of these big AI people. and he goes, if you use the paid for AI, he goes, I can tell it to write me code and it also knows idiosyncratic preferences. So it's better than hiring a person and that's today. So what's going to happen in two years, three years?

1:55:22Joe Rogan:How do you put guardrails on that? I don't think you can. I don't think you can. And there's a lot of people that are resigning from a lot of these companies that are saying we're doomed.

1:55:31Michael Malice:Yeah. I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy But that, I think, is a much faster path toward something happening than, you know, robots, Kung Fu robots.

1:55:43Joe Rogan:Well, there's also automated weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous. Is that right? Yes. The government's working on that. And I believe there was an issue – see if you can find this – with one of the AI companies not willing to partner with the – or not willing to do something with autonomous weapons programs. I think it's Anthropic. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think Anthropic was like, we don't think that's good. And all the other ones are like, let's go. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the thing is, is China doing that? They probably are. Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use. Here's what each side wants.

1:56:24Joe Rogan:Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense is under review as the two sides negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used. Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance. Oh, my God. These pop-ups are brutal. Fuck you, CNBC. You see? The DOD wants to use anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation, according to Emil Michael, the Undersecretary of War for Research and Engineering.

1:56:59Michael Malice:Holy crap.

1:57:01Joe Rogan:Yeah. So this is what they're doing.

1:57:03Michael Malice:So which is worse, autonomous weapons or mass surveillance? I think it's mass surveillance, don't you? Both of them are terrible. Yeah, which is worse, though? Because they work hand in glove.

1:57:10Joe Rogan:Both of them are terrible. I mean did you see Alex Karp that interview that he did where he was talking about Palantir and he's like we're gonna you know and occasionally kill people we're gonna use it to kill people that's what he said but he was like openly saying kill people like this is what we're doing like what

1:57:33Michael Malice:did you see that big leak from Palantir which I don't know if it's been verified or not where they were talking Kim.com was the one who dropped this.

1:57:43Joe Rogan:Yes. I did see that Kim.com tweeted about it, but I didn't see if it was verified. What did he say exactly?

1:57:49Michael Malice:It was a long, long thing. And it was very – because Palantir got hacked. He said he doesn't have – I don't think it was verified that this was legitimate, but these were the bullet points he laid out. And it was extremely disturbing. It's not surprising that a private company is going to be more effective and efficient than the government at implementing what the government wants. A lot of the things during COVID wasn't literally the government. These corporations were more than happy to impose these kind of, you know, if you don't get the vaccine so-called, you're going to get fired.

1:58:18Joe Rogan:Well, they were all having backdoor deals. Exactly.

1:58:20Michael Malice:But they were more than happy to do it. Yeah.

1:58:22Joe Rogan:They were being incentivized. Right. Right. Which is fucking crazy. But the thing about this AI stuff that no one realizes except for the engineers that are deeply invested in this is that it's accelerating at this tremendously rapid pace that they can't really control. ChatGPT5, I was reading this article, ChatGPT made ChatGPT5. They essentially tasked the AI to make a better version of itself. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying.

1:58:55Michael Malice:Right now for free. If you put any photo on Grok Imagine, it animates it and it looks realistic.

1:59:00Joe Rogan:Yeah. Like instantly. There's a video of me and Keanu Reeves doing kung fu in this room. Like he's dressed up like John Wick. But it looks real, I'm sure. It looks very real. It's like a scene from John Wick. It's like we're doing like movie style kung fu in this room.

1:59:16Michael Malice:And the average person can't distinguish between what is on their screen and what is outside their window.

1:59:21Joe Rogan:Right.

1:59:21Michael Malice:And for the human brain, they're going to remember it and perceive it as something that they had seen before. It is a very scary thing. I remember something that clicked in my head, Survivor Season 1. So that was like 2000, I think it was, 2001. Yeah. They had the second to last episode. There's four contestants left. And they go next week on Survivor. And Sue turns to Kelly and she goes, we got to vote out Richard. And I was on a message board at the time. And one of the people, they're like, who do you think is going to be eliminated? One goes, oh, I think they're going to vote out Richard. Did you hear what Sue said?

1:59:51Michael Malice:We all heard it. This wasn't eavesdropping. This was a sound clip that the editor left in. There was nothing else to hear. In fact, you could only hear what Sue said to Kelly. And that was such a wake up moment for me. Like, holy shit, people really think they're on that beach and they heard something they weren't supposed to. But you laugh. But there will be people who tell you right now with a straight face, and I think they could pass the lie detector test easily, that Trump said we should inject bleach. And Trump said, I'm praising very fine people, white nationalists. Right. And you could play the tape.

2:00:25Michael Malice:They will not perceive it. They're not lying. Right. And I think that's a big hurdle for a lot of people to accept. People honestly are perceiving things that you're not.

2:00:34Joe Rogan:That's true. Yeah. And they're also only looking at headlines. or only looking at narratives. They get a tweet. They read the tweet. Oh, my God, I can't believe they're doing this. And then they put it down. They're too busy. They're not going to do deep dives. They don't have the time. It's not that they're too busy.

2:00:48Michael Malice:It's that their preconception has been validated. That too. They're not running a true-false filter. They're running an us-them filter.

2:00:54Joe Rogan:Right. That's right. That's right.

2:00:56Michael Malice:Trump's thousands of times the Epstein files. There you go. What else do I need to tell you?

2:00:59Joe Rogan:That's it. Yeah, very fine people on both sides. I mean, Obama said that during the campaign. When he said that during the campaign, I'm like, that's crazy.

2:01:06Michael Malice:Well, Biden said that was his reason for running.

2:01:10Joe Rogan:You don't remember that? Did you see in the Epstein file someone said that Biden's dead? Well, they're also saying that Epstein's alive. Yeah. That might be real.

2:01:19Michael Malice:I don't know how they pull that off. Here's the thing. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Whenever I hear something that's out there, I'm not saying it's ridiculous. I always say to myself, what steps would need to be taken for this to be true, right? So if you're going to keep Epstein alive and he's obviously extremely visible, his face and very known, how do you keep that guy under wraps would be the question I would have.

2:01:40Joe Rogan:You move him to Israel and you get plastic surgery. You think so? That's it? Yeah. Look, Renee Zellweger looks different. That's true. And she's a fucking movie star. She kind of ruined her career by making herself look prettier.

2:01:54Michael Malice:No, she looks Asian now.

2:01:57Joe Rogan:She's got all those big cheeks. She did something weird.

2:01:58Michael Malice:She's got all those big cheeks and her eyes are all small now.

2:02:00Joe Rogan:What did she do? Let's take a look at what she did. She's a little puffy-faced, yeah. Like, people said that Bradley Cooper did something, but he came in here, he looked fucking completely normal. It's just weird pictures online. Like, maybe one day he was tired, one day he wasn't. Renee Zellweger really did. She did something. Bradley Cooper looks exactly like Bradley Cooper to me. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Like, she did something weird. She was so cute. She looks like that. Look at her in 2009. She was so cute.

2:02:28Michael Malice:Who's that annoying lefty lady who's a podcaster? I don't know. Yes, you do. The one who was a real housewife and now she's like... Oh, yeah. That awful one.

2:02:34Joe Rogan:I don't know her name, but she's awful. Yeah, she's a heel. She does a great job being a heel. She's great at that. Everyone, they'll fucking lock them all up. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. That's what she looks like. No one wants to fuck her anymore. She's very angry. That's what she looks like now. Let me see that again. I'm just looking at other photos. Other photos? Okay, the one on the far right. She's still pretty, but there's definitely a change in her face. But look at that fifth photo. Jennifer Grey is a better example.

2:02:58Michael Malice:Well, she's got a nose job.

2:03:00Joe Rogan:Her career kind of fucking stopped. Well, no, Linda Evans is the worst of this. Can you pull up Linda Evans? Linda Evans from The Terminator? From Dynasty. Oh. Linda Hamilton, Terminator. Yeah, Linda Evans is really - Linda Hamilton is fucking awesome in Stranger Things. What did she do? I mean, she looks horrific. Well, she's old, man.

2:03:18Michael Malice:Yeah, but there's plenty of old people who don't look like that.

2:03:20Joe Rogan:She doesn't look like she did anything. She sued. She sued? For a plastic surgery? Yeah.

2:03:26Michael Malice:Look at that one right there, Jamie. Yeah. Pull that up.

2:03:28Joe Rogan:I'm just, you know.

2:03:31Michael Malice:It's bad.

2:03:34Joe Rogan:Well, that's just, I don't see, where does it say? The one right under that, the red one, see that? Yeah, pull that up, see? Finding peace and happiness growing older in the Northwest. Well, that just looks like an older lady. But she doesn't look like herself at all. But she's older. But she had a lot of effed up work. Maybe she had some of it reversed. Maybe. You're saying that's not... That one's not that shocking to me. That's just an older lady. I think it's quite shocking because I think it looks bad. No disrespect to her. I mean, that's the difference between a 30-year-old lady and a fucking 70-year-old lady.

2:04:10Michael Malice:There's plenty of 70-year-old ladies who don't look like protein bars.

2:04:15Joe Rogan:I don't know. I don't think that's the best example. I think the Renee Zell. Okay, what has Linda done to her face? It's from like tablets. Right. Okay, so it might not even be true. There's a lot of cases like this.

2:04:26Michael Malice:You know, it's whatever. Yeah. What was the point? How did we get on that? What were we talking about? Keanu Reeves, the Rene Zellweger?

2:04:36Joe Rogan:I was looking up ChatGPT stuff and then switched to that. Okay. Yeah. ChatGPT5. Did ChatGPT code ChatGPT5? I don't even know how to search that. I don't know the right search term to look that up because I'm not getting anywhere. If you ask that question, it doesn't? ChatGPT5 makes itself better. You know, I don't there's there's something that I was trying to dig into about that singularity stuff called like self-correcting loops or something like that. I'm not getting anywhere with that. That's not the right. This was the this was the concern about AI was that eventually I would become sentient and autonomous and create better versions of itself.

2:05:12Joe Rogan:Right. And it would do it very quickly. Right. And I think we're in that right now. I think what we're getting from these engineers is an indication that the people that are deeply involved in this are fucking disturbed by the power of this stuff. They essentially say that they don't have a job anymore. They just kind of show up and it does the work for them and that this is far more potent than what the general public is aware of. So we're getting better all the time.

2:05:39Michael Malice:We're at the point now where Grok is a better conversationalist and better at perceiving nuance and humor than the average person. A lot of times if I have a tweet and some cretin comes in with some response, I will just say, hey, Grok, explain to this person such and such and such. And I leave it for Grok to be like a tart handler. And I do this every single day. But the point is, if I'm being humorous, maybe my jokes aren't that funny. Point being, Grok understands that I'm being humorous. Right. Even this person isn't or is pretending not to. So what happens when the average person, what are they bringing to the table?

2:06:15Michael Malice:Right. What are they bringing to the table? What about artists too? Right. The AI art is getting better every single day. Like I did a book where I used AI for the cover. It's like what are you going to do with – you're going to have a certain number of people who are good at massaging it and having great ideas. But at a certain point, there's only so much you can do.

2:06:33Joe Rogan:Did you see what the Doerr brothers did? No. They just really they're these really good AI artists are the guys who do all the intros the kill Tony videos Yeah, yeah, they're fucking awesome. And they just made like a Hollywood movie And they did it in like a day right with AI See if you can find that clip because it went viral and everybody's kind of freaking out They're like Hollywood's done because this clip is insane, but it's it's so realistic

2:06:57Michael Malice:The other thing is by the time we're all wrapping our heads around it. It's already six months ago Mm-hmm. That's what's crazy

2:07:04Joe Rogan:And it's far better than it was then. Dang, they put on another one today. Let me see. Put the headphones on. Okay. Yes, sir. Go full screen. Back it up.

2:07:20Michael Malice:This is all AI? Yeah.

2:07:36Michael Malice:Holy crap. My leg! My leg!

2:07:42Joe Rogan:Holy crap. Whoa. What the fuck?

2:08:14Joe Rogan:Holy shit. Holy shit.

2:08:34Michael Malice:I don't wow I don't think it's a good idea for humans to casually this is the other one they did I'm really busy. Can you get sofia today? What?

2:08:43Joe Rogan:No, I have a meeting. I can't

2:08:46Michael Malice:Oh, this is all AI yeah

2:08:53Michael Malice:Holy

2:09:29Oh, God.

2:09:33Joe Rogan:God, look at her face. It looks so realistic.

2:09:39Michael Malice:I don't like this.

2:09:51Michael Malice:Sophia! Mom! I love you. I'm on my way. Oh, my God.

2:09:55Joe Rogan:I need you to hide. Get underground.

2:10:02Michael Malice:I can't watch that.

2:10:28Joe Rogan:Oh my god.

2:10:52Joe Rogan:It's a great Cybertruck ad. People are pointing out loud, you can hear the engine. No, but you can hear the engine when it does that. It makes a weird humming noise.

2:11:28Michael Malice:Good morning, Sleeping Beauty. why don't you get the president on the phone

2:11:39Joe Rogan:we have her

2:11:41Michael Malice:I'll be right there oh my god I don't like this at all I don't like that at all

2:11:48Joe Rogan:I don't think the sound was AI some of it could have been but it's mixed too good

2:11:53Michael Malice:I don't think it's a good thing for people to casually be seeing footage of people being shot in the face like I'm on YouTube well they've already got that I'm saying it's not a good thing check out this video that I just sent you Jamie okay there's a lot of I watch a lot of police body cam videos on YouTube oh yeah and you see people getting killed and it's just like are we not having conversation the effects of the human mind of just watching real people getting killed left and right all the time

2:12:18Joe Rogan:oh no especially on young people

2:12:19Michael Malice:there's a lot of that like I don't like seeing I mean watching check this out okay oh Jesus okay

2:12:40Joe Rogan:i was just asking about the pencil trick this is crazy this is crazy oh they're shade okay wow

2:12:49Michael Malice:Weird. But I don't, like, you don't see anything wrong with just casually showing planes flying into buildings? Yeah. Well, all movies do that, though. I don't think that's, yeah, but the thing is, this is how you kind of boil the frog.

2:13:04Joe Rogan:But they've always done that in action movies.

2:13:06Michael Malice:I don't think to that level is to have anyone be able to make this the drop of a hat. I'm not saying it should be banned. No, that's true. I'm just saying, I think at a certain point, if 24-7, we're seeing dozens of people getting killed. killed yeah it's gonna have an effect on people's psyches no question and i don't think that's a

2:13:26Joe Rogan:good effect well it's what we have now before this not good do you know what else is fucked up we're not even talking about what the kind of porn is gonna look like right right and porn with anybody like you or jamie you and jamie could be fucking in a video that i'm talking about top what i'm talking about snuff films oh right right yeah you can make porn right now 100 %

2:13:48Michael Malice:You're doing the girl, then you cut her head off or cut body parts.

2:13:50Joe Rogan:Yeah, just pull out a shotgun as soon as you climax. No, pull out a knife. Yeah, anything. Yeah.

2:13:55Michael Malice:And it'll look really realistic and you have no way of – we're still apes.

2:13:59Joe Rogan:People probably already making that. Of course they are. They're probably already making that. Well, that I know.

2:14:03Michael Malice:The investigators already don't have the tools to distinguish between real videos of infants and AI videos of infants. And this is, again, this has been a bridge that's been crossed and like no one knows what to say or do about it. It's just like we're kind of just blinking and it's here.

2:14:22Joe Rogan:Well, it's not just here. It's here and growing. Right. And getting stronger all the time. And we're all just plowing head first towards the cliff.

2:14:31Michael Malice:And what's going to happen when this kind of stuff gets matched up with psychedelics?

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2:16:12Michael Malice:right who was that the Creepy Line guy? Creepy Line? There was that documentary The Creepy Line Robert something Malone I think his name was he's an academic his point he went through Google and he goes look if I'm Google right and I or I'm Facebook and I have people who are like Trump and people who are like Hillary So if I just put out, hey, you should vote and send it just to the Hillary people, I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary. Don't get Robert Epstein. Robert Epstein, thank you. Oh, that guy.

2:16:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, we've had that guy multiple times. Right, but then you're going to be getting out that vote in the direction you want. Well, his concern is Google searches. Sure. So like if you search Trump, it's all negative stories. If you search Hillary, it's all positive stories.

2:16:54Michael Malice:I've talked to him also about the Facebook stuff. If you're promoting, go out and vote, and you have this group versus that group, it could nudge it very easily. So that technology has already here and been used.

2:17:03Joe Rogan:And been used.

2:17:04Michael Malice:Right. So that's 10 years ago.

2:17:05Joe Rogan:And that's real election manipulation that's already legal and being used. Right. For whatever reason. Well, you know what reason. But also, curated search engines are a real fucking problem if you're hiding certain information. like i noticed that during the pandemic there was a story about a doctor in florida that got vaccinated and then really quickly afterwards had a stroke and died and i read the story and a lot of people were concerned about it and then i tried to find it on google i could not find it i could not find it i looked everywhere then i looked on duck duck go and i found it immediately and then some it was in the first page and then somewhere along the line duck duck go got weird too Oh, Jesus.

2:17:46Joe Rogan:Okay. Yeah. So it's like they realize that people are finding things on DuckDuckGo. And then I believe – is DuckDuckGo curated or did they just have open source? What are they saying? And then I started using Brave, and Brave was showing me things that other search engines weren't showing me.

2:18:04Michael Malice:But then on the other hand, you have the problem of is it showing you things that are just not true?

2:18:10Joe Rogan:Right. But I was searching for a very specific story. I'm talking about your case. I'm talking about broadly speaking. Right, right. You're definitely going to get a lot of that, especially if there's like, look, the Hunter Biden laptop story. They've got 51 different former intelligence agents to say that it was Russian disinformation. It's not curated, okay. Not curated in the sense of building a personalized filter bubble based on user history, but it does curate results by ranking. I don't know how you can really avoid that, though, right? That's curating. Indexing and filtering from hundreds of sources, including Bing.

2:18:36Joe Rogan:Bing's not good.

2:18:37Michael Malice:But it has to put things in order somehow.

2:18:38Joe Rogan:To provide what it deems relevant, what it deems relevant. Unlike Google, it avoids user tracking and personalization, providing a more neutral, non-personalized search experience, but also curated by ranking. No user profiling. It does not store search history. All I know is that there was a difference in the way it worked for me. It doesn't mean that it's— There has to be some ranking process.

2:19:03Michael Malice:Yeah. It can't just—you know, it's going to have things in order no matter what search engine you use.

2:19:06Joe Rogan:Right, when you're looking for something very specific.

2:19:08Michael Malice:That is—yeah.

2:19:09Joe Rogan:That's obviously— Google would not show me that article. I put in all the facts that I could not find it. All it was saying was the benefits of getting the COVID vaccine.

2:19:17Michael Malice:Has it gotten better or worse? I don't know. We don't know. How would we know?

2:19:20Joe Rogan:I don't know. I mean, but you should be disturbed at Robert Epstein's work because Robert Epstein's work shows that with just this curated search result, you can shift all these centrist voters, all these middle of the pack voters, these swing voters. You can shift them by. I think it's 2%. But I think it's larger.

2:19:40Michael Malice:And point being Trump 1 by 1.

2:19:42Joe Rogan:I think it was 9 % or something crazy like that.

2:19:44Michael Malice:Even if let's be conservative, say 2. Trump by 1 and a half. Yeah, yeah. So it's – and I don't think things are looking good for the Republicans going forward.

2:19:51Joe Rogan:Well, it doesn't look good for the midterms, right? Oh, that's – I mean this ICE stuff is doing a great job for that because a lot of people are like, hey, we're moving towards fascism. And the perception of the economy. Yeah.

2:20:01Michael Malice:The thing with the ICE stuff, it's like people – voters can have contradictory perspectives. Like they want to get rid of illegal aliens, but don't force them out. It's like, what are you going to do? Send them a strongly worded letter?

2:20:13Joe Rogan:Well, I think the real problem is they're not willing to address the fact that these are paid protests and agitators. Sure. And that these people, it's not, this is not an organic thing where people are taking to the streets. They're literally being paid. These people have come out and said, you get X amount of money. You get$100 a day if it's cold out. You get more money. One of the things people were saying that I don't know if it's true at all was like, this might be horseshit. They were saying they gave them decibel meters to see how loud they were yelling. Who? Protesters. Really? They were providing protesters with these decibel meters for them in order to get paid.

2:20:47Joe Rogan:They had to be yelling at a certain decibel. I was like, this sounds like disinformation. Yeah, I feel like that would go on up. How much are those things? How much is a fucking decibel meter? That sounds like a problem in terms of cost. Right. If I had that, I'd sell it on eBay, right? Right. If I'm a protester. thousands of people and you're providing them with these decibel meters i would think right yeah it sounded like horseshit but there's a lot of horseshit out there there's a lot of people that they do interviews and they just make up fake stuff just for clickbait but the thing is there

2:21:19Michael Malice:i think people are i agree with you we're like over ice but it's like what's your plan b right the amnesty like if that's your argument that's fine but it's just like it's not a tenable situation i mean look what's going on overseas right what are you gonna do like right now there's a guy who's running against farage from the right of him and it's like you're gonna break up that vote like it's called restore britain oh what is he saying he's saying he's like farage is too soft we're gonna deport them all blah blah blah it's just like like how would like fine i i understand that's your argument literally how are you going to do that without mass enforcement i'm not saying I'm for it or against it.

2:21:55Michael Malice:I'm just saying, what is your plan? It's not, it's easy to promise. If I'm in a country that's awesome, I don't want to go back to my shithole. I'm going to do whatever I can legally and sometimes extra legally to make sure I'm staying.

2:22:07Joe Rogan:Especially people over there that have been encouraged to go there. Right. And then they bend the laws in order to kind of hide their crimes. Right.

2:22:14Michael Malice:One of the best things that happened to me was December 31st, 2024. So it was the beginning of 2025. I was on Twitter. and you heard about these grooming gangs overseas. And even me, who writes a lot about the nature of evil, was naive because when you hear the term grooming, I thought, okay, these high school girls have these boyfriends from different countries and we're like 30, whatever, and it's gross and whatever. And then someone posted the receipts of the legal cases. These were girls, children, eight-year-olds, 10, whatever, being violated and beaten with baseball bats. They were complaining to police.

2:22:52Michael Malice:The police said everything's fine. Like really graphic stuff. And I'm like how stupid I was to think grooming meant what anyone else thinks of grooming. These are rape and torture gangs. And then Elon saw my tweet and he blew a gasket. And then they kind of talked about it in parliament. So it was a great way to start 2025. But like where is it all going? You know what I mean? People are upset. But, you know, Kierstammer's not in jail. Like things he's in trouble for aren't stuff like this. The entire Labor Party voted against for their inquiry. It's like some of these guys got prison sentences, but they're not anywhere near proportionate.

2:23:25Michael Malice:Why are they still in the UK?

2:23:27Joe Rogan:I just don't understand it. I just don't understand. Like, what's the end game there? Right. Is it the destruction of the UK? Like, what's the end game? That sure is what it's – well, if that isn't their goal, that's sure where they are headed toward. Right. If you were trying to destroy the UK, that's how you would do it. Bring in violent migrants. Let them do violent crimes. Don't prosecute them. And prosecute people for complaining about it online.

2:23:51Michael Malice:And don't bring them into your country and kind of assimilate them. Right. Like encourage them to not assimilate. Yeah. So I was just there in August. As bad as people think it is, it's even worse. Really? There was a theater a block away from the House of Parliament, and they were bragging that seeing their shows are safe. Not fun for the whole family. Not, you know, oh, this is educational. you're not going to get murdered if you come see a play here. That really shouldn't be a selling point when you're going to the movies or theater. It's so crazy. Yeah. And it's only getting worse. So it's – I don't – but here's the other thing.

2:24:31Michael Malice:Let's talk about America, right? If you want to get rid of all these illegal immigrants, what is your mechanism? Because what Trump is doing is too much. There's no – the alternatives to make it difficult for them so they remigrate. But there's plenty of people who would – I can certainly understand it. I'd rather be an illegal immigrant in America than go back to whatever hellhole. Right.

2:24:53Joe Rogan:I found the video talking about decibel meters. They were fucking around. It was a joke. OK. And Grok says they were satirizing. Paid protesters with the – Decibel meters. Yeah, the decibel meters. That sounds ridiculous. Yeah, the whole thing was fucking bullshit. It was a joke. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Because I was like, there's no way. There's no way they're giving people decibel meters. But that's also just clickbait. What would you do with the illegal immigrants? It's a good question. You know, the real problem is that they let 10 million people plus in over the last four years. And that's the thing that no one wants to address.

2:25:34Joe Rogan:Like the only reason why there is this problem is because we had a fucking open border for four years where they actually encouraged people to come in. And they let in a bunch of violent criminals and people have been killed. Women have been raped. Children have been killed. This is and they want to hide that data because they don't want to be held responsible for what they did over the last four years. The fact that that doesn't get the kind of outrage that it should. But then an ICE protester shooting a guy who is armed. Do you know what really is going on with the gun community about that guy who got that Alex Preddy guy?

2:26:09Joe Rogan:Do you know the story?

2:26:10Michael Malice:Well, I know that What's His Name got fired correctly for saying, well, you shouldn't bring guns to fight the police. And all the 2A people are like, are you crazy? The whole point of the 2A is against the police.

2:26:19Joe Rogan:Right. But that guy, so they disarmed him. He was carrying a SIG P320. OK. SIG P320s are notorious for accidentally discharging. It appears, at least in videos that I've seen, and some people seem to verify this, that as one of the officers pulls the gun from him and walks away with it, it accidentally discharges. Okay. They think this guy has a gun still. Okay. Because they just pulled a gun from him. A gun went off. They think they're in a gunfight. Everything's happening split second. They empty on that guy. The two guys who killed him, both of them Mexican guys. Right. Did you see? They looked at the village people.

2:26:58Joe Rogan:Did you not see them? I didn't see. They showed their actual faces?

2:27:01Michael Malice:Oh, yeah, yeah. It's on my Twitter. If you scroll back a few days, Jamie, they look like I said the village people. It looks straight up village people.

2:27:06Joe Rogan:But what's crazy is how many Latinos are in ICE. Why is that crazy? Trump got the Latino vote. Well, it's not just that. It's like it's a really well-paying job. Sure. And they give you a big bonus to sign. I think what is the bonus when you sign for ICE? I think it's like a great incentive. But here's the other thing. It makes a lot of money.

2:27:24Michael Malice:Why that debate drives me crazy. If there's a hospital, right, and there's a nurse who's killing patients, which happens, that happens. You have these like black widow situations. No one's going to say shut down the hospital or stop medicine. So even if this was a first degree murder, let's assume for the sake of argument, that doesn't mean you should abolish ICE. It just means that guy should go to jail. What does one thing have to do with the other?

2:27:47Joe Rogan:Look at this. Signing bonus of up to$50 ,000. $60 ,000 in student loan repayment up to 25 % in premium pay. I don't know what that means. Probably overtime, maybe? Premium pay? 25 %? What does that mean? I don't know. But either way, just the$50 ,000 bonus. How many people are willing to take that job just for that? And then$60 ,000 in student loan repayment? And it's great on your resume. Yeah, well, you get your student loan paid off and you get a$50 ,000 bonus? Holy shit. Right. You can get a lot of people to do that. And job security. Yeah. And you can wear a mask. It seems like a job macho guys would enjoy.

2:28:24Joe Rogan:And if you're desperate for work and if you can't find work and then all of a sudden this is like an answer to all your financial problems, a lot of people are going to do it. You're also like very undertrained. Like they only trained for seven weeks. Is that right? Yeah. But what's the answer though? No one has an answer. Right. That's a good question. Because, yeah, well, there are a lot of violent criminals in this country that did get in over the last four years that do need to be removed. So what are you going to do? But what do you do about the nonviolent ones? Well, here's the thing. There was an interesting statistic.

2:28:54Joe Rogan:I think I sent it to you, Jamie, where they were saying only 14 percent of these people that they've arrested are violent criminals. OK. But that's what they didn't say is that 60 percent of the people that they arrested had criminal history. And when you say nonviolent, nonviolent meaning what? What about strong arm robbery? What about a guy pulls a gun on you? That's is that how you class that's got to be violent. I bet it's not if you don't cause violence.

2:29:20Michael Malice:No, there's no way armed robbery isn't a violent crime.

2:29:24Joe Rogan:If you do not cause violence, I wonder if they're categorizing it as violence. Like if you do not shoot someone, stab someone, beat someone, so you're not convicted of a violent crime, you're convicted of robbery.

2:29:34Michael Malice:Because they're doing everything in their power to make the gun violence numbers as high as possible. So if there's any opportunity where a gun is involved, that will be counted as gun violence.

2:29:45Joe Rogan:Perhaps, but you could rob people with a knife. You know what I mean? Does that count? If you pull a knife on someone and you rob them, is that considered a violent crime? I bet you it is. I wonder. But either way, the misleading aspect of the article was that only 40 % were violent criminals. But is that okay that the other fucking 46 % are breaking into people's houses and robbing cars? What about that?

2:30:11Michael Malice:But what about the 40 % who just shouldn't be here?

2:30:14Joe Rogan:Right. That's the question. Right. They all shouldn't be there. Right. So what are you going to do? Right. Okay. So here it is. 400 ,000 ICE arrests in Trump's first year. About 60 % involved individuals with some criminal charges or convictions. However, only 14 % had violent crime records, including as homicide, 2 ,100 arrests, sexual assault, 5 ,400, robbery, 2 ,700. So robbery. Nearly 40 % lacked any criminal record detained for civil immigration violations.

2:30:42Michael Malice:Wait, can we skip ahead? Look, this is what's so shameless. Arrest for nonviolent issues like DUI I'm sorry If you're doing DUI you should be deported

2:30:51Joe Rogan:That is a violent crime Well you definitely cause death And destruction Drugs 22 ,000 DUI 30 ,000 Outnumber severe violent crimes But yeah but those are fucking bad crimes I don't

2:31:05Michael Malice:I think this kind of is a distraction from If you have 10 million people and they're all Homemakers like let's suppose they're the Nicest people ever Are you comfortable with them just remaining here? I don't think most people are.

2:31:18Joe Rogan:No. Then what do you do? Rand Paul thinks that you should allow them to stay but not give them citizenship. See, if birthright citizenship went away, a lot of this would be solved.

2:31:29Michael Malice:Right. If you're not eligible for welfare, you're not eligible for Medicaid, you could pay your taxes and income, but you're not getting the benefits. People can understand that argument, maybe.

2:31:39Joe Rogan:Especially if you are illegal and then you come here specifically to have a baby. and then you could stay too. That's kind of crazy. That's a crazy law. I think we're the only country that has that too.

2:31:49Michael Malice:Yeah. China definitely doesn't. Well, I mean, no one's really banging on the door for Chinese citizenship, to be fair. That's true. Unless you're from North Korea, maybe.

2:31:58Joe Rogan:But yeah, so it's - It is a problem that doesn't have a clear-cut solution that would make both sides happy. That's for damn sure.

2:32:05Michael Malice:Well, I think one side is against it entirely, and many Republicans don't think it's worth kind of overturn our whole society, get these 10 million people out. So what's good? I mean, if we had 10 million Canadians come to America, that's not going to change the country. Right.

2:32:23Joe Rogan:That makes no sense. Right. Well, especially 10 million Canadians that could be violent criminals. Well, if you just have an open door. They're not going to be violent. They're Canadian. There's violent Canadians. Sure. They're all, they need to be on the TRT. Drinking maple syrup.

2:32:36Michael Malice:Do you know about my enslaved Canada plan?

2:32:40Joe Rogan:No. Okay.

2:32:43Michael Malice:This is – I want to get the exact – I have the exact numbers. Hold on here. So there are – I want to get this exactly right. 41 million Canadians. Okay. Now, let's talk about reparations, right? So if I wreck your truck and your truck is worth$10 ,000, I got to get you a brand new truck or$10 ,000. That's reparations is restored. Okay. How can you have reparations for something as horrific as slavery? A check is not going to do it because there's no amount of money where I could say, you know what? You own my grandma. It's fine. Right? 41 million Canadians, they've already demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want freedom through every action that they've taken.

2:33:20Michael Malice:42 million African and black Americans. So slavery in the South was a horrific blot in America's past. So the opposite, slavery in the North, would be better. So we invade and enslave, hashtag enslave Canada, and every African American gets one Canadian, and that's reparations. And then you don't have to hear about slavery or racism again. What a great idea. And the big names can get the big names. So like Michelle Obama can get Gad sad, right? Barack Obama is not African-American. He's African. You don't get one. Do you think that's real? The Kenyan thing? Well, he was of African descent. His ancestors were never slaves.

2:34:00Michael Malice:So he does not do reparations. In fact, his ancestors owned slaves. And so did Kamala Harris's. Michelle Obama's ancestors were enslaved. So she gets Gad. Sorry, Gad. I'm not kidding. I think we should do it. It would solve Canada. It would solve a racism problem.

2:34:15Joe Rogan:Canada just needs to be free.

2:34:17Michael Malice:Yeah.

2:34:17Joe Rogan:They need a better government up there. That's right. Liberate them. You know, Trump ruined that. When he was saying they were going to be our 51st state, he killed the conservative party because then everybody sort of united and said, hey, we've got to stop America from trying to turn us into the 51st state. This Greenland thing, okay?

2:34:35Michael Malice:Let's talk about this. Okay? Because I don't know if people know this. In the first term, we're saying Marie Fredriksson, I think, is the prime minister of Denmark. They were going to have a meeting. And Trump's like, we want Greenland. And she's like, oh, you, you know, ha ha, looking forward to meeting you, Mr. President. And on Twitter, he cancels the meeting and goes, since the prime minister doesn't know her place, we're going to have to meet another time. And she's like, what? Like, what are you talking about? and now they're saying you could have Greenland to do anything you want. You want to dig for the minerals?

2:35:10Michael Malice:Please bring industry there. Nope, we need to own Greenland. And they don't know, and I don't know what to make of his. Someone I saw on social media thinks he must be on the spectrum because he's so fixated on this thing that no one who's neurotypical has this kind of fixation.

2:35:25Joe Rogan:But what do you make of this whole Greenland thing? I don't understand it. Do you know they offered us Greenland in the 1920s? Right, okay, yeah. Wasn't it too much money or something? How much was it? How much did they offer us Greenland for?

2:35:38Michael Malice:But I don't blame them for being like, what is going on?

2:35:41Joe Rogan:It is crazy. Right. So Denmark owns Greenland. Who's closer? Denmark or the United States? We are closer to Greenland. Then we should have it. Shouldn't Canada have it then? No, fuck them.

2:35:55Michael Malice:This is what it must be like in Denmark right now where they're like, what do we say?

2:35:58Joe Rogan:Okay. Did not offer itself to the United States in the 1920s. The U.S. expressed interest in acquiring or basing in Greenland during that decade, but no formal offer came from Denmark. I thought there was negotiation. That's what it's saying, yeah. Okay. A land swap idea. Okay. For the U.S. Virgin Islands for$25 million. The U.S. bought the Danish West Indies, now U.S. Virgin Islands, for$25 million. What a deal. But affirmed Danish sovereignty over Greenland. 1920s U.S. Army General Billy Mitchell advocated for American air bases on Greenland and Iceland to expand air power, viewing them as strategically vital amid advancing technology.

2:36:37Joe Rogan:No purchase or secession offer emerged from Denmark. U.S. interests remained internal military advocacy without diplomatic action from Copenhagen. We just got to give him a swap. We get Greenland, you get Puerto Rico. So in 1947, go back to that.

2:36:56Joe Rogan:1946, President Truman proposed$100 million in gold for Greenland. Rejected by Denmark amid Cold War tensions, U.S. gained defense rights via 1941 agreement during World War II occupation of Denmark. How interesting is that? Like, we've been interested in Greenland forever. Oh, it's right there. That's ours. We should take it. It's that fast route to Russia. Well, yeah, because you have those straits on both sides. It's faster than going across.

2:37:23Michael Malice:But the thing is they're already saying you could do whatever you want. Like take a dump on it. We don't care. Like we're happy to you to exploit it, please. That's kind of crazy. And he's like, nope, we got to own it. It's like, but why? I guess he got it in his head that he could make it happen. But this is really – like I don't – the thing is they're getting freaked out in Europe not because he's being this aggressive I think. Not just. But also because it's like what are we missing? Like you and I, like, what are we missing here? What about Greenland? Would owning it change when you could do whatever you like?

2:37:57Michael Malice:Put more bases. We love it. I don't know, man. You've hung out with him. Does he have a screw loose?

2:38:05Joe Rogan:It's hard to say. I mean, I think anybody who wants to be president has a screw loose. And anybody who went through that guy, what that guy did. Sure, of course. What he went through over the last four years when Biden was in office, where they were trying to lock him up. What about when he was president, what they went through? Yeah, the Russiagate stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. It's kind of crazy. You would have to have a little bit of a screw rule. So now I think he's on a victory lap for sure. Sure. But he also wants to get a lot of stuff done because he knows he only has one term. And I think the Greenland thing, I understand the strategic implications, why you would want that.

2:38:40Joe Rogan:But I don't understand why you wouldn't just accept a deal where we could have bases there and use it strategically. We have bases there already.

2:38:46Michael Malice:And we do whatever we want. Here's the other thing. This is the other one that I don't understand. We go to Venezuela. We basically teleport Maduro out. Right. Obviously, there's some kind of inside information or whatever. Who knows? And then everyone just stops talking about it. I know.

2:39:01Joe Rogan:It's just like, well, the news cycle is crazy.

2:39:03Michael Malice:But what is going on in Venezuela? Did they change the government? I don't think they did.

2:39:06Joe Rogan:They didn't change the government, but they got rid of the one guy that was a resistance. And a lot of people like Kurt Metzger thinks that what's going to happen is during the trial, They're going to reveal that Maduro was involved in rigging the 2020 election. The American 2020? Yes. Because there is some sort of a connection with Venezuela and the 2020 election and the voting machines. Wait. OK. I love Kurt.

2:39:31Michael Malice:I was one of the people at his birthday party. When I say I love him, I mean ironically and non-ironically, I think he's the best. I love him too. I don't see any route where they would need the theater of a trial to release this sort of information.

2:39:50Joe Rogan:Right. I agree. But I think that having him in America and making a deal with him, look, bitch, we already kidnapped you. We killed all your guards.

2:40:00Michael Malice:I think he's – if I could get – Come to pony up. If I could out-curt Kurt, I would bet this – I would bet a lot of – I would not be surprised. I'm not going to bet. That he's – this is already a deal. That they told him either you come to jail with us, wink, wink, or we'll take you out. And he's like, you're not – fine. I'll retire in America.

2:40:19Joe Rogan:That would make more sense to me. They did some wild stuff over there. Like they used some sound weapon to like incapacitate everybody and they went in and executed them all. Is that all – how much of that's confirmed? Not a single U.S. soldier was shot. Right. And everybody was down. Like the people that are talking about it that were on the ground saying it was crazy. They shut off all the power. Right. They shut off all the radar systems. And then all of a sudden, fucking helicopters, drones, everything was there. This sound weapon was used. Everybody was incapacitated. They came in, gunned down.

2:40:50Joe Rogan:How many people did they kill? I forget how many people they killed. It was like 100, wasn't it? They killed a lot of people. But they killed them with no resistance.

2:40:56Michael Malice:But I thought it was very clear that we had some kind of inside information.

2:41:00Joe Rogan:I'm sure we had that as well.

2:41:01Michael Malice:Yeah, someone on the inside was like working with us in terms of where he is.

2:41:04Joe Rogan:I'm sure there was that as well.

2:41:05Michael Malice:But there was this narrative. When I saw that photo of him getting arrested, I thought it was AI because it looks so crazy and ridiculous. And if I went a year ago and said Trump's going to arrest Maduro, I'm like, arrest him for what? It's just like I don't know what's real anymore. Right.

2:41:21Joe Rogan:Here's an article from The Guardian from November 2025. Okay. Okay. Trump's DOJ investigating unfounded claims. Yep. Venezuela helps steal 2020 election. Like, so how do you know it's unfounded until you investigate? This is these fuckers. Let me skip ahead to this.

2:41:38Michael Malice:The Guardian's pretty bad with that kind of stuff.

2:41:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, they're gross. This stuff is where it's interesting because this guy works for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote down here where he says he doesn't deal with bullshit, kind of. I don't dabble. So he thinks it's bullshit? Well, I was just trying to have you read it because—

2:41:51Michael Malice:Yeah, he says, I don't dabble in conspiracy theories.

2:41:54Joe Rogan:Sure you don't. You're in the CIA. Right. We don't dabble. We make them. Okay, who knows? This is what Kurt believes. This is not my theory.

2:42:04Michael Malice:Keep scrolling down. I want to see what he's saying that Venezuela did.

2:42:08Joe Rogan:Yeah, what is their accusation?

2:42:11Michael Malice:Yeah, keep scrolling down. I want to see if there's nothing about what they did.

2:42:15Joe Rogan:Well, that would be contributing to the conspiracy theory. Yeah, I guess. Mr. Malice. Yeah. They don't want to do that in The Guardian. Who knows? Why would they need— We'll find out. Another awesome chapter of Game of Thrones.

2:42:30Michael Malice:I mean, I still don't understand. A lot of people are butthurt correctly that we shouldn't be doing regime change, but the regime didn't change. Right. We just got rid of one guy and kidnapped him and brought him to America. But if you get rid of Trump, Vance becomes president. You're not changing the government at all. Right. So what are we doing here? I don't know.

2:42:53Joe Rogan:Here's a discussion in the Journal of Democracy about how Maduro stole Venezuela's vote.

2:42:58Michael Malice:That is very widely accepted as real.

2:43:01Joe Rogan:I'm seeing these keywords that are popping out as like the same stuff I'm hearing in our election dispute. Ballot receipts, people checking voter polls later that evening, people saying that that's not what I did. I don't know. It's a lot.

2:43:17Michael Malice:Right. The other question is what's going on with Iran?

2:43:20Joe Rogan:Well, it looks like we're about to go in. Are we? Are you sure? Well, they're preparing. But, I mean, that's always great to shake your fist. Shadow, yeah, saber rattling.

2:43:30Michael Malice:So it's like, I feel like all of us are looking around being like, what's happening?

2:43:38Joe Rogan:What the fuck is going on? Yeah, every day. Every day is what the fuck is going on. Right. And you're just trying to live a normal life. Yes. Which is what everybody really wants, but they're preventing you from doing that with constantly being assaulted by new information that scares the shit out of you.

2:43:52Michael Malice:And it's also there's no context for us to understand this. Like we understand the Saddam situation, right? You go in, you conquer country, kill a lot of people. It's a nightmare bloodbath that was unnecessary. Saddam gets hanged. We know that story. Like we're just going to come in, pull out one guy who's the president. And his wife. And his wife. And everything will go back. It's just like I remember the Democrats were like, what do we say to this? This has never happened before. Yeah.

2:44:16Joe Rogan:I don't know, man. I'm just overwhelmed. I think I share the feeling that most Americans have right now, which is every day you're like, what the fuck is going on? But I feel like it's escalating. Oh, definitely. It wasn't this crazy during his first term. No, no, no. The world is escalating. Yes. What is this? Venezuelan oil gets shipped to Israel for the first time in years. Oh, boy. It happened last week. So as I'm just looking up, we assumed control of the country, I think, in some way or another. Did we? I think we got their oil, right? They've found a better way to have people run it, but I don't know that.

2:44:51Joe Rogan:Well, that was the other thing that Trump said. What are we going to do with the oil tanker? We're going to keep it. Yeah. It's like, what?

2:44:56Michael Malice:How do we get to do this? Like, if you are...

2:45:00Joe Rogan:They're sending the oil to Israel.

2:45:04Michael Malice:So Venezuela is saying it's fake.

2:45:06Joe Rogan:Venezuela plans to send its first shipment of crude oil to Israel in 17 years, as part of opening up the country's exports following the U.S. abduction of President Nicolas Maduro. I did have to go to probably not a great source of the Middle East. I don't know. Well, Bloomberg's a rep. Yeah, but that's the one I couldn't get past the evening. But it seems like it's the same story.

2:45:25Michael Malice:Jerusalem Post, yeah, they're not going to be lying about this stuff.

2:45:27Joe Rogan:First shipment to Israel. Well, I think all they're saying is they've restored relations between Venezuela and Israel. Well, they probably control relations now. It's essentially the U.S. is probably in control of their oil distribution.

2:45:38Michael Malice:I think that's explicit, isn't it?

2:45:39Joe Rogan:Yeah. It's still like. Well, that was the other thing. It's bringing in all these companies. They're all going to do it. But apparently their oil is like very difficult to acquire. Is that right? Yeah. Their oil is not like simple like Texas oil, dig a hole in the ground, pull it out. It's like it's all – it has to be processed with all these chemicals. It's apparently like the consistency of asphalt. Okay. And it has to be broken down. It's very expensive. This is why – was it the CEO of Exxon? One of the companies said that it would never work. Oh. Yeah, that the infrastructure is not in place.

2:46:15Joe Rogan:And then Trump was upset at him for being a negative dancey.

2:46:20Michael Malice:I think any time you start to – did you really? Whenever you start talking about regime change, that's something that's very scary historically.

2:46:28Joe Rogan:And always turns bad. Yeah. Like Libya and all these other places. Yeah, Iran, Iraq.

2:46:34Michael Malice:Yeah.

2:46:34Joe Rogan:So it's just like –

2:46:36Michael Malice:It's never good. Yeah, but then at the same time, we're like, what do we do? Like what's plan B? Gavin Newsom? Do you know what I mean?

2:46:45Joe Rogan:What's he going to do? Right. Senior Trump administration officials have vowed to maintain control over Venezuelan oil experts for an indefinite period. Indefinite is weird. In quotes, Secretary of State Marco Rubio claiming that the Venezuelan acting government headed by Delce Rodriguez needs to submit a budget request before accessing the country's oil proceeds. Whoa. So we just took over Venezuela essentially.

2:47:13Michael Malice:Yeah. No, we just took over their oil.

2:47:16Joe Rogan:Yeah, but also the country.

2:47:17Michael Malice:No, but aren't the people still being oppressed as hell?

2:47:19Joe Rogan:Yeah, but the government essentially is like we're running that government. I don't think we are, though. We probably tell them what they can and can't do. No, I think that's the thing that they're still—

2:47:28Michael Malice:It's just the oil. Right. Can I talk about something fun? Yeah. I'm finishing a project I've been working on for 25 years. Whoa. Yeah, so I'm excited to talk to you about it. What is it? So there was this band from the 80s who were called Rubber Rodeo that combined punk and country, right? And I was looking at this compilation that I got in 1994. I sent Jamie the picture. And I was staring at this photo trying to make heads or tails of this band because – can you pull it up? You'll show you the photo. You'll see what I mean by it. because there are a bunch of kids in these like kind of square dancing uniforms with no affect on their face whatsoever.

2:48:11Michael Malice:And the singer, she's in this Dolly Parton wig and this big square dancing dress and just staring right at the viewer. I'm like, are they joking? Like what's up with these people? And I met them and they were art school kids. They were not joking. They were there. That photo. So you see I'm staring. I'm like, are they kidding? Are they not kidding? that her name is Trish. And this is from the 80s? This is from the 80s. They got signed the same day as Bon Jovi by the same guy. And he said, I'm taking you both to number one. So I wrote a screenplay about them because it's kind of like a Spinal Tap story because they're on stage at punk clubs doing jokes like, hey, Bob, I'm exhausted.

2:48:51Michael Malice:Why are you exhausted, Bob? Oh, the couple at the next hotel room were up all night eating candy bars. Candy bars? Yeah, she kept yelling, oh, Henry, oh, Henry. Right? So it's this complete, Like, what are you even doing here? But the guy who did the keyboards for the band did the animation for American Splendor. And through him, I met Harvey Pekar, who later wrote a book about me in 2006. Is he that guy that went nuts on Letterman? I'm so glad you know who Harvey is. Yeah. So Harvey started the idea. He's a comic book guy, right? Right. He started the idea of writing autobiographical comics in the 70s.

2:49:30Michael Malice:From off the streets of Cleveland, Here Comes American Splendor. It's an ironic title because his life was not exactly very splendid. He was a file clerk, kind of a miserable person. He hated being called a curmudgeon. And amazingly, when the film came out in 2000 and – was it 2000? I think it was something like that. 2001. He flew back to New York to do Stern. and the producer of the film, Ted Hope, sent out an email that said, Harvey's in town with nothing to do. If you want to hang out with him, this is your chance. And I'm the only person who took him up on it. And I go there and he's on his bed.

2:50:09Michael Malice:Spoiler alert, he died in 2010 on my birthday, which was not a fun email to get. Anyway, and he's like, yeah, he's got this really weird way of talking. He's like, I'm really fucked up, man. And I pointed out to him, since everything in his life was a disaster, his movie got a wide release the weekend of the blackout there was this big fucking black guy he's like oh god damn it and that was the weekend i had a fish tank and i'm trying to keep them alive with no electricity and it did not work out so he wrote a book about me uh and that screenplay fell by the wayside but because it's kind of like spinal tap you know it's this kind of funny story about you know when you're young and anyone out there who's listening to this when you're young go for it be stupid if you're gonna fail it's okay it's still something exciting to try and to do which they certainly did um and now i'm like wait a minute this converts to a graphic novel uh very easily there's a guy named eric july who has this whole kind of empire he did a kickstarter he made like a million for his first one it's called the rip a verse and now they're at a point where you don't have to go through DC or Marvel to produce your product.

2:51:15Michael Malice:So I'm super excited about it. Again, I started this in 2000 and now it's finally 26 years later coming to fruition. So unwantedbook.com. All right. I'm just really kind of, it's very intense. Because here's the other thing, what I was at Gold's and I had basically what was the opposite of a nervous breakdown where all the parts of my brain slid into place where I realized this story I wrote in 2001, what happens if you do all these things, try to be original and go nowhere? Like those are my fears when I was starting out. What if I end up like them, have nothing to show for it? And 25 years later, that experience has been run.

2:51:57Michael Malice:You know, I could pay my rent as the kind of creative person. And if they were around today, they could probably pay their rent because it's much easier as a band to kind of build an audience, but it's a very funny story, but it's also a very dark one, and it's largely true.

2:52:11Joe Rogan:All right.

2:52:11Michael Malice:So I'm just stoked that I get to - We'll end it on a happy note.

2:52:14Joe Rogan:Yeah. Thanks, buddy. Thank you. Always good to see you. Always a pleasure. Congratulations on the face pink.

2:52:19Michael Malice:Wait till you see the next one. Oh, no.

2:52:22Joe Rogan:Bye, everybody. Bye-bye.

2:53:03Michael Malice:We'll see you next time. available at participating locations only.