#2463 - Steve-O

11:04Joe Rogan:If I get like really pushed in an egregious situation, the farthest I'll go is I'll say, hey, you know what, guys? I used to get really bent out of shape over people being disruptive, but I don't do it anymore. And that tends to – That's good. And as soon as I stopped reacting so much, like the problem mellowed out.

11:23Steve-O:Well, you've got to realize like your entire career, you've kind of been a disruptor. Sure. So it's kind of natural that disruptive people would be attracted to come to your show.

11:32Joe Rogan:Of course. Of course.

11:34Steve-O:And then you're saying, please be polite at this moment in time.

11:38Joe Rogan:Right. Yeah, like you're about to see me put some things up my butt and I demand respect.

11:43Steve-O:Is that what you do in your show? You put stuff up your butt?

11:45Joe Rogan:It's a multimedia show. So, of course, you put something up your butt.

11:51Steve-O:It's multimedia. Self-explanatory, Jamie. What's with the questions, Jamie? God. Right. Right. But I still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious and let you drop. I wasn't mad at him.

12:08Joe Rogan:Yeah. I was mad at him.

12:10Steve-O:You didn't have to let you drop like that.

12:11Joe Rogan:I did ask him to drop me. I would have said no. Yeah.

12:15Steve-O:I would have said no. If you made me do that to you, first of all, I would have tried to talk you out of it. But then I would have said, there's no way I'm going to let you drop. In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny. Not only was it not funny, it was like super disturbing. Right. I would put a cushion under you at the very least. Right. Like a nice, like one of them judo pads where you throw people on.

12:36Joe Rogan:Especially being choked out in and of itself is not -

12:39Steve-O:Not that bad.

12:40Joe Rogan:It's not really a dangerous thing. Probably not the best for you.

12:43Steve-O:Right. Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of jujitsu people have done double blind, placebo controlled studies on tap or no tap, what's the best for your brain. Right. I can't think it's good that your brain gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't think it's good.

12:59Joe Rogan:One of the gnarliest things I've ever done in my life, if not the gnarliest, way back in 2003, we had just had the first Jackass movie come out. While filming for the first Jackass movie, one of the bits that it was never used because it was too dark. Too fucked up? For Jackass? For Jackass. Right. Do you have a clip of this? Of what? I'm sure that it exists. Okay. But you'll appreciate this. Okay. The legend Gene LaBelle.

13:34Steve-O:Oh, Judo Gene.

13:35Joe Rogan:Judo Gene, the legend. The real legend. Yeah. Like, they had Gene LaBelle. They lined up the whole cast of Jackass, and he just went down the line.

13:44Steve-O:Just choked it all out?

13:45Joe Rogan:Yeah. And, like, the swiftness with which he got it. Oh, yeah.

13:49Steve-O:He was a brutal man.

13:50Joe Rogan:I mean, it was just like. And he was just like. Yeah.

13:52Steve-O:Super nice guy, but a brutal man.

13:55Joe Rogan:Right. And it wasn't even brutal, though. It was, like, gentle. Oh, really? I mean, it was just so fast. It was just...

14:01Steve-O:His style was known for being particularly painful. Yeah. My friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students, and he was one of my first jiu-jitsu instructors. And he taught me a bunch of Gene stuff, and I was like, oh, what a mean guy. Some of his stuff was so mean. It was like knuckles in your neck and like real crazy shit that Gene would do to people. Yeah. It was like particularly painful. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Out cold. Oh, yeah, that looks gentle. Super gentle. No, I'm not even kidding. Like the way he's doing it. I mean, his technique is so flawless.

14:33Joe Rogan:You know, Chuck Liddell was really good at it, too. He choked me out one time.

14:40Steve-O:Who did he punch in the arm full blast? someone like that, one of you guys.

14:48Joe Rogan:Oh, that would have been before Jackass.

14:50Steve-O:Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was, but someone let Chuck full blast right hand him in the arm. I'm like, well, that arm's useless for a couple of months now. Fucking crazy. That's not like your buddy punching you in the arm versus Chuck. He's going to rip some stuff apart in there. He might blow your shoulder out. That's crazy to let that guy hit you.

15:11Joe Rogan:Yeah, what a sweetheart, too.

15:12Steve-O:Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck was the weirdest because when he was in his prime like you look at him He was so scary because he's tall he was fucking built your brick shithouse Mohawk tattoo on his head super kind like you talked to him super calm and relaxed and

15:27Joe Rogan:I spent a bunch of time with great fucking guy great fucking guy Okay, so Jean LaBelle like choke lay just lays us all down one by one.

15:36Steve-O:Okay

15:36Joe Rogan:It like they considered it too dark. They didn't even like just cuz you went unconscious.

15:41Steve-O:Yeah What year was this?

15:43Joe Rogan:In 2002.

15:45Steve-O:People weren't used to being choked out yet. The UFC didn't really get big until 2005. Right, because of Chuck. Really? Well, it was really because of Stephen Bonner and Forrest Gryffner. Right, right, right. That one fight on the ultimate. It's crazy. One fight on the ultimate fighter changed the course of the history of the sport.

16:05Joe Rogan:That was the premiere on Spike, yeah.

16:06Steve-O:Uh-huh. Because there was a good fight before that. Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian. So that was before that. That was a really good fight, too. But that was like, you know, Diego beat his ass. Whereas the Stefan Bonner-Forrest Griffin fight was a crazy, like, completely even fight. And two dudes who knew each other really well. And they were fucking going for it. They said that during the time, you know, like maybe a million people were watching it at first. and the peak was like six or seven million, which for them was nuts. So what that meant was everybody was calling their friend and go, dude, turn on Spike TV right now.

16:45Steve-O:This is crazy. And like, what is this? Like no one knew what it was back then. Like they had heard a hoist Gracie, but no one knew that it was going to be on TV. And they're like, boom, that was it. And then they had Chuck as the champion, which was the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seek-and-destroy psychopath with a tattoo like kanji tattoo on his head and a mohawk Just fucking starching people. Whoo.

17:11Joe Rogan:I remember that era. Wild time. I mean year 2000 was when Jackass came out on MTV Mmm, and I mean at that time you couldn't watch video on the internet.

17:23Steve-O:That was the dark times That was when it was banned from Cable and you could only watch I got direct TV because it was the only way you could watch the UFC That's why I got DirecTV.

17:37Joe Rogan:And the media just wasn't so fragmented at that time. There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the internet. So when something hit on basic cable... It hit big. Yeah. And I think the most views, the most concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was like 4.5 million. so and and that for cable that's a lot that moved the needle in a big way that's unheard of now

18:05Steve-O:right which is really kind of crazy if you think about it yeah that's how much things have gotten diluted because there's so many shows it's impossible to watch everything right every time i turn on apple tv there's some new interesting show there's a fucking million of them on amazon prime that you've never even heard of that are really good they're all over the place Right.

18:25Joe Rogan:I mean, you know, I had a really great conversation with Mark McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray. Oh, really? Yeah. I just fell in love with this guy. I had him on my podcast. And he made such a valid point about how the 90s, 90s nostalgia is so rad because it was really the last time when everybody watched the same shows on TV together.

18:53Steve-O:Right.

18:53Joe Rogan:You know, like all the albums came out on the Tuesday, like whatever, you know, like everything. It was a communal audience for everything. We don't have that anymore.

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20:24Steve-O:Yeah, new Van Halen Yeah Yeah, it was it was a fun time. It was a an interesting time and it was the time like before the internet You had to find out about stuff from friends. Yeah, you know, like I remember I was headed to a gig with this dude God, I wish I could remember his last name, but he was really funny. It's Johnny something fuck I'll remember it eventually but we were on our way to this comic from Connecticut We were on our way to a gig together and he's like have you heard of the brand new heavies and I go no Who are they? He goes it's a jazz band and they linked up with a bunch of rappers and made this heavy rhyme Experience album.

21:03Steve-O:It was fucking incredible. I'm like I would have never found out about this. It sounds sick. Oh, it's sick, dude There's there's one with Gangstar. That's great. It's getting hectic It's fucking great because it's like you got this music that's like this like real live band music Sort of like how that tiny desk show does it now See I don't even know the time Um, but like you got like cool G rap Oh, dude cool G. That's it. Johnny Rizzo. How did you do that? How the fuck did you do that? Shout out to Johnny Rizzo. Is he around still? He was a funny dude

21:45Steve-O:He had like a rubber face the dude can make the craziest faces you like it was so funny

21:50Joe Rogan:Yeah, back to the the choking out thing. I think the reason why I was a dark and disturbing Because you guys are twitching yeah, it's the twitching when you when you get choked out you're twitching and That's a little bit just waking up. It's a little bit upsetting

22:04Steve-O:It's not that the the that's hilarious all the shit you guys did that they left in well

22:09Joe Rogan:Yeah, and another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitatable. That's something that we got to worry about. If it's something that little kids could pretty easily imitate, then that's more problematic for us. But in that whole experience, Ryan Dunn just came away feeling qualified to start choking people out himself. Oh, no. I don't know that Ryan Dunn had any kind of combat sports background. I kind of doubt it. I think it was literally just from this one experience with Gene LaBelle, kind of watching it happen, having the experience himself. He just started choking people out.

22:57Joe Rogan:and back then I had a wildly different style of tour but I was on tour nonetheless and Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour he would say to the audience who wants to get on stage and get choked out and even back then I was like out of my mind on drugs and I was like please don't be doing this it really bothered me it made me so uncomfortable I would leave the stage when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience members oh that's so crazy

23:26Steve-O:that they signed up for that.

23:27Joe Rogan:Right. And people would be jumping up and down like, please, please, please. Did he let them down?

23:32Steve-O:He didn't drop them? He did let them down.

23:33Joe Rogan:That's very kind of him. But it bothered me so much until the one day when I'd been on cocaine for like three days in a row and I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little, like, very intense footage that I had been generating. And I was like, you know what? Today's my day. Ryan done choke me out and so he did it once and then She we spent all day he six times in a row And each time it became more like a violent throwing me down yeah, that's number two

24:17Steve-O:It seems like he's Having fun with your body after it's out he's sort of just ragdolling you dude six of them in one day that's too much I would imagine that rarely happens in training usually you tap out

24:35Joe Rogan:after this one I think there's two more and the last one is just so upsetting this one? yeah I guess it's the one where you threw me on my head

24:47Steve-O:oh dude I don't want to see no no no No, no, no, no. Yeah, I landed right on my face, dude. Fuck, man. Why did you do that? Because. You wanted it to be more exciting? I think that. And the cocaine.

25:01Joe Rogan:Yeah. There was cocaine falling out of my nose in the shot because I put it there. Jesus Christ. Jeez, boy. I think that's probably the gnarliest thing. But in any case. Did you get hurt from that at all? I think I had a broken tooth.

25:20Steve-O:Oh, from falling in your face. Yeah. Did you get hurt at all from the repeated chokings? I don't think so. No?

25:26Joe Rogan:It's pretty amazing, given what I've put myself through. Oh, incredible. Both professionally and personally. I have good recall. Yeah. I'm pretty...

25:36Steve-O:How many times... Johnny told me he's been knocked out unconscious 16 times. How many times do you think...

25:42Joe Rogan:I'm not at that level. I got knocked out in the WWE ring. Oy. On Monday Night Raw. This was a heavy one, man. Which he hit with. And it was an elbow that really put me out.

26:01Steve-O:Who hit you?

26:02Joe Rogan:Umaga. His fighter name in the WWE was the Samoan Bulldozer.

26:08Steve-O:Bro, Samoan's got some heavy bones.

26:10Joe Rogan:Yeah.

26:10Steve-O:You want to get hit by a Samoan?

26:12Joe Rogan:Yeah. I bet you can bring that one up. Oh, my goodness. Monday Night Raw, Steve-O, and Chris Pontius. We were promoting the second Jackass movie. So we're going to get in the ring. We're getting in the ring. We're doing a whole match. And it's fascinating the way that they kind of block out what the matches are. It's kind of like a jam band. You know, like a jam band that you've got the kind of tentpole moments, and then you just kind of fill it in. But it's like this is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And what was to be the last move, it's called a splash, where this 350-pound Samoan bulldozer is going to jump off the top rope with me laying on the ground and body slam off the top rope.

27:02Joe Rogan:But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match for it to be over, that means the person who lost stops moving. Oh, that's the only way? Well, you're not supposed to move around. Oh, you moved around. I moved around.

27:18Steve-O:So he put you to sleep.

27:19Joe Rogan:Yeah, like he jumped off the top rope, and it was such a devastating blow that I couldn't help but react. I was like, oh, you know, like, whoa, and I'm laughing and rolling around. I can't even believe it. Oh, no. And he's looking at me like, oh, now I'm disrespecting him because I'm moving around. so so he hits me again and and I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move but now he just hit me again and I'm like what are you doing you know like the base like I'm gonna move around he's gonna keep hitting me so I told you that right and so then he hits me

27:55Steve-O:again and yeah we we got pretty radical on yeah there's a

28:06Joe Rogan:Okay, this is... Dude, he drops his elbow. They didn't even show the end of the match. They went to commercial because it was too dark for the WWE to show. See right there. Now it's supposed to be over, but I'm moving around.

28:32Steve-O:And so then he kicks you. Yeah, so now he's kicking me.

28:34Joe Rogan:And I'm like, wait, dude, I think that elbow was what put me out. And they cut to the commercial. I don't remember leaving the ring.

28:45Steve-O:Wow. Yeah, that elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude.

28:49Joe Rogan:Yeah, right there.

28:50Steve-O:But it's also all the other banging of your brain. I mean, this is a lot of banging of your brain. The body slam's a banging of your brain.

28:57Joe Rogan:Yeah.

28:57Steve-O:Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one, son.

29:01Joe Rogan:Yeah.

29:01Steve-O:Those dudes get concussions all the time. You don't think about it because you think, oh, it's wrestling. It's pro wrestling. But just the physical contact is unavoidable. Those guys, when Hulk Hogan came in here, man, it was one of the saddest things. I had met him a long time ago in Beverly Hills. I ran into him in front of a cigar bar. I was like, holy shit, he was gigantic. And then I met him the second time. Well, I met him another time when he and I did a Spike TV thing. It was awesome. And then he came in to do the podcast and he had so many back surgeries that he was like six inches shorter Oh, wow, it was crazy is because they have to fuse all of his discs and he had a cane everywhere man He was fucked up and he said it was from that thing that he would do we would drop down on his ass with an elbow So every time he did that he fucked his back up I mean think about how big he was in his prime 300 plus pounds, right?

29:54Steve-O:So every time you're dropping down, your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of 300 plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. So all of his discs got herniated. You had to get them all fused. It was horrible, man. Those guys get fucking busted up. The Rock is like a weird – he's an outlier because I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he doesn't even have any. Like I worked out with him. He's mobile. He could do stuff. He looks amazing. It's like I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up

30:31Joe Rogan:Yeah, I feel like a star called Steve Austin Is in reasonably good shape too.

30:38Steve-O:I don't know. I don't know about that one But I know a lot of those guys man, they they leave that career and you know, they fake hips fake Yeah backs fused everybody has something wrong.

30:49Joe Rogan:Yeah, I've been pretty lucky like for the most part You know, I've had some hardware in my ankle. I've had hardware in my collarbone. I had meniscus surgery on my knee.

31:03Steve-O:That's it for your knees?

31:04Joe Rogan:Just one? Just one. And it was an elective one, too. Like, it was a partially torn meniscus.

31:09Steve-O:Why'd you decide to get it snipped?

31:11Joe Rogan:Because I was told that it would be better. I don't know. Like, in the long run, my knee would be better for it. Hmm.

31:22Steve-O:Yeah, I had it done on my left knee. And it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago. And it's been like irritating the shit out of me since then. And then I've had a few other little injuries with it. But the thing about it is like that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone. Like, yeah, it doesn't come back. And that cushion is kind of important. Like my knee always felt a little loose. Like that cushion really goes banging around in there. They do replace meniscus. They use cadaver meniscus, but it's not 100%. It doesn't always work. I don't know. I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put a cadaver one in there and then sew it in place.

32:01Steve-O:That recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough. Really? Yeah. I thought that was one of the easiest ones.

32:08Joe Rogan:For me, man, my knee really hurt for quite a while.

32:11Steve-O:Were you doing anything for it? How long ago was this? I did physical therapy. Is that what you said?

32:16Joe Rogan:Oh, well, no. How long was it? The knee surgery? The meniscus was recent. Oh, recent.

32:21Steve-O:Oh, okay. Well, get on some peptides. That'll probably help it.

32:26Joe Rogan:I was. I was doing peptides.

32:29Steve-O:Yeah.

32:29Joe Rogan:Donald Cerrone. Oh, there you go. He got me dialed in with the folks at Transcend.

32:35Steve-O:Right. He works with those guys. Right. That's how he got super jacked after he retired.

32:39Joe Rogan:Right. I just travel so much that all of these things that need to be refrigerated, and you're traveling with the ice pack, and it's just kind of too much.

32:51Steve-O:You know what a simple solution, though, is?

32:53Joe Rogan:What's that?

32:54Steve-O:Just get yourself one of them little Yeti thermoses. Put some ice in there. Put your peptides in there. Throw them in your bag. Simple. That's it. Okay. It keeps it cold. Seals up.

33:06Joe Rogan:I was doing testosterone, too. You stopped? I did. Why'd you stop? I just kept forgetting. I was like, oh. And I didn't, I mean, I don't want to say I didn't notice anything because there are different things going on in my life that I could have attributed. But like having stopped taking it, I don't notice really any difference.

33:32Steve-O:Did you get your blood work done before you took it?

33:34Joe Rogan:Well, I did. I got my blood work done by the folks at Transcend. Right. And, you know, they prescribed it to me.

33:40Steve-O:What did they say your levels were?

33:41Joe Rogan:I think my testosterone was like 300.

33:44Steve-O:Oh, that's pretty low. Yeah. It's on the low end of normal. There's other stuff you could take, though. There's stuff called, well, you don't need to take in peptides. But there's other stuff you could take that could ramp up your natural testosterone.

33:56Joe Rogan:Right. I've been doing more, like, strength training, too, and I know that that helps a lot. Yeah, that does it.

34:00Steve-O:Yeah. There's a bunch of different things, like deadlifts and squats. They ramp up your testosterone, especially Zurcher squats.

34:06Joe Rogan:I could I could certainly get back into all that because I love the idea of like being super healthy longevity

34:13Steve-O:No, it's good for you feel better feel better think better

34:16Joe Rogan:yeah, and my bass lines pretty good too like I've got my whoop band and

34:22Steve-O:You with a whoop is kind of hilarious a little concerned about my health I love it contrary to all my actions for the past 40 plus years Right.

34:31Joe Rogan:I love it so much and it's great, right?

34:33Steve-O:You get so much data Find out if you're sleeping well

34:35Joe Rogan:What's your HRV like?

34:38Steve-O:I don't know man I haven't worn one in a while

34:40Joe Rogan:Right Because It's pretty good Like today I'm 113 HRV

34:44Steve-O:I don't know if that's good Is that good? It's super good Yeah Congratulations

34:49Joe Rogan:Yeah That's awesome My average is like 90 I don't know That's great man

34:53Steve-O:So you're working out Feeling good Yeah Nice Taking care of myself Just avoid those blows to the head son Yeah for sure Especially as you get older It seems like Right A lot of people when they get older

35:03Joe Rogan:they're really hard to recover from right yeah the the last jackass movie we did the the fourth one jackass forever they had this huge treadmill it's like treadmill for horses and they got us they they got it just humming and uh all of us a bunch of us the the cast dressed up in marching band like with marching band and like we're marching and playing our instruments and one by one we jump on this treadmill.

35:30Steve-O:Right.

35:31Joe Rogan:And it was hilarious but dude I got knocked out so cold. I wonder if you could bring that up Jamie. Like I was out out for like a you know probably maybe the longest I've ever been.

35:46Steve-O:How did you get knocked out? What happened? I hit my head. You just fell?

35:50Joe Rogan:Yeah like as I got spit off the end of this treadmill. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. You just kind of jumped on it? So it looks like Knoxville went first. Oh my God.

36:02Steve-O:Oh my God, dude.

36:08Joe Rogan:So I'm like, everyone is awake and I am like super not awake at all.

36:13Steve-O:Oh, Knoxville's

36:14Joe Rogan:bleeding from the head?

36:15Steve-O:Yeah. You guys are so ridiculous. What a silly way to make a living. Yeah, don't do that anymore.

36:23Joe Rogan:Yeah, that... Oh, boy. Yeah, that might have been my worst concussion.

36:29Steve-O:Tax Act can think of a million things more fun than filing taxes. Tax Act is going to name some now. Sitting in traffic. Folding a fitted bedsheet.

36:40Joe Rogan:Listening to your co-worker talk about his fantasy team. Digging a hole.

36:45Steve-O:Digging an even larger hole next to that original hole. Unfortunately, Tax Act's filing software can't make taxes fun. But Tax Act can help you get them done. Tax Act. Let's get them over with.

36:58Joe Rogan:But there's been more than that even. Not 16, but...

37:04Steve-O:The one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was in that store and Butterbean beat him up. Yeah, oh my God. That was crazy. That one bothered me. Because if you know how hard Butterbean hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for. Let that guy beat the shit out of you. And then even after he's down, Butterbean had him get back up and put him away. Like, don't let him do that. Right. Especially Butterbean, man. That guy. There's a highlight reel of him putting giant men to sleep. You know, I do not want that guy punched you in the chin.

37:38Joe Rogan:Talk about sweethearts, too, man.

37:40Steve-O:What? Butterbean. Yeah, up until that moment. Right. There's a thing with those guys, though. They're so accustomed to hurting people. Yeah. It's like, you want to sign up for this? You sure? I'm sure. Okay. Right. And they're just going to do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box them.

37:59Joe Rogan:Yeah. Man, looking at that, Trevor, that really was gnarly. Gnarly.

38:03Steve-O:Not good. I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head. Not good, dude. Not good. That's probably why you forget to take your peptides.

38:17Steve-O:I read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player. And that's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears? Yeah, Jim McMahon was the quarterback, right? Yeah, the quarterback. And I think it was a Sports Illustrated article. And they were talking about it like he can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room not knowing why he's there, where he was going. Doesn't know where his keys are. Doesn't know where his phone is. Just like can't. It's just like it just blacks out, comes back, blacks out, comes back.

38:46Joe Rogan:You'd imagine that that would be more for like linemen because every single play.

38:52Steve-O:Those days, though, the quarterbacks got taken out. Back in those days, that's the 80s. You've got to think of how much harder the game was. I'm obviously not a football aficionado or expert by any means, but from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterback. Right, okay. And back then, those dudes got it. And it's not just that, man. It's also all the different years you played. Those all count. Like, just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL, what about all the times you got knocked out in high school?

39:27Steve-O:What about all the times you got knocked out in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas, and I've watched a lot of college games at UT. It is a fucking brutal sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime. It is a psychotic fucking sport. I love it. It's fun to watch, man. I've become a fan.

39:52Joe Rogan:What really I think was the smartest thing the NFL did, they got into the routine with the NFL YouTube channel. At the conclusion of every game, they upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from like 10 to 15 minutes. So you can watch. It's super digestible. More than highlights. More than SportsCenter. But you're only seeing the awesome stuff.

40:24Steve-O:McMahon was involved in Nexus. This is one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history. Oh. He just got slammed after the play. After the play slammed on his head. Yeah. That's crazy. I think the Saints just took this end of this season, this play. I don't know which game of the year it was. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's that cool, man. Look at him. Oh, my God. That's crazy that that dude did that. And what did he get, like a one-game penalty or something? Oh, back then, I don't know.

40:49Joe Rogan:Yeah, back then it was probably pretty yellow.

40:51Steve-O:Back then they probably gave him extra steroids. Good job.

40:53Joe Rogan:But I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this, is that as much as – by the end of the season, whatever it was, 2023, 2024, like I was so invested because I was watching these digestible like YouTube videos that by the time the playoffs rolled around I was subscribed to every single different platform because now like the stakes are so high I got to watch the whole game Like they really converted me. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it was the smartest thing That's wise.

41:21Steve-O:I mean because you think about there's a lot of downtime in football in between plays a lot of this, a lot of that, people talk

41:27Joe Rogan:The best thing, but I have a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know is that they were, the thumbnails, a lot of the times gave away the outcome of the game. And this was a problem that the UFC had for a while. I would be doing my shows, especially if I'm in a comedy club, I've got the second show on Saturday night, so I've missed the whole pay-per-view event. Now I get back to my hotel room and I'm gonna watch everything the whole thing But then when I go into the video on demand and the thumbnail shows like the The winner of the main event like celebrating right, you know, like it's like oh So I reached out to Dana.

42:10Joe Rogan:I'm like Dana the thumbnail are given away and he's like took care of it man Just got off the phone with the head of Disney the president of the earth.

42:17Steve-O:That's nice to have that kind of pull right and

42:20Joe Rogan:I wish I could do that for the NFL. Maybe they will.

42:23Steve-O:Maybe they will now.

42:24Joe Rogan:Yeah, they don't always give away the game. But for the love of God, please make the thumbnail neutral. Because the reason why we're clicking on this video is because we don't want to know what happened. We want to watch it and enjoy it.

42:36Steve-O:Right. And so how long are these condensed games?

42:39Joe Rogan:Anywhere from like 8 to 16 minutes. Wow. That's smart. And it's so exciting because if you see like a punt or a kickoff, you know something awesome is going to happen because they'll never include a punt or a kickoff unless it gets run all the way down for a touchdown or if there's a turnover or something like that. So it's like, ooh, you get excited when you watch these videos if there's a punt.

43:06Steve-O:Right, that makes sense. UFC does a good job with, they do these videos that shows all the knockouts from a particular event. So anybody who just wants to see knockouts.

43:16Joe Rogan:Yep, I've been seeing that. And, you know, I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal where I got to go back and watch the whole card. And Paramount, like, it's pretty awesome, man. Like, on ESPN.

43:31Steve-O:It's not very intuitive, I got to say. It's a little clunky when you're searching for the show. because you go to like live TV to watch it. And then if it's not on live TV anymore, like if you go out, you pause it and you come back and try to, and you click on it, it doesn't work. And then you got to find it. And then you got to go to home and then you got to go down to the UFC and then I search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore. So it tells you it's not on. You got to go back again to home.

44:04Steve-O:It's like, where the fuck is it? Like just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the homepage and it shows all the matches, what's live, what's not. Just a little clunky. I think ESPN Plus kind of had it down. And I'm just starting to get it.

44:20Joe Rogan:You know the problem with ESPN Plus was though? What? Is that you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there. And you got to like blur your eyes because on the thumbnail it says the duration of the fight. Right. You got a little time stamp and it's like, oh, damn it. I mean, like I just saw that.

44:40Steve-O:You got to not look at that.

44:42Joe Rogan:Yeah. You got to unblur your eyes, look through the cracks.

44:44Steve-O:The problem is when you play it, that'll show you how short the amount of time is, you know, how quickly the time is going. Oh, great.

44:51Joe Rogan:Right. Well, you can't like, you can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up.

44:56Steve-O:Do you watch anything else other than UFC?

45:02Joe Rogan:Sports wise? No, just fighting wise. Oh, man. No.

45:08Steve-O:No?

45:10Joe Rogan:No.

45:11Steve-O:I've been trying to get Dana White to do a striking league. I'm trying because, like, you know, people still boo and complain when things go to the ground. And if the UFC has time to do, like, slap fight, which I'm not really into, but if they have time to do that, like, do a stand-up only league because there's other organizations that are doing that. You know what?

45:33Joe Rogan:like the uh the mike tyson jake paul thing i understand that they had a hundred million viewers is that real i think i think they did and then the jake paul anthony joshua had like maybe 30 million right so it was nowhere near but god i thought that i thought that where'd you get those numbers just whatever i just saw it in the because i don't know if netflix gives those numbers out

46:02Steve-O:Or maybe they did. Did they say it? 108 million. Paul Tyson had 108 million.

46:10Joe Rogan:And then Anthony Joshua, I think it was like 30.

46:14Steve-O:Interesting. 108 million is crazy. That's a lot of fucking people.

46:18Joe Rogan:It's a lot of people, but what a blown opportunity when you think like, okay, now Netflix had, they knew they were going to have that many viewers. Or if not that many, they knew they were going to have a lot. They had the opportunity to take the boxing model and fix it. That Netflix did? Yeah.

46:39Steve-O:Netflix has only had a small handful of events, though.

46:42Joe Rogan:Understood. But if you look at the UFC broadcast, there's just not downtime. People care about the undercard. You know me. I'm there for the first fight pass prelim.

46:56Steve-O:Some of the undercards are the best fights for sure.

46:59Joe Rogan:Yeah, especially contender series is so good particularly

47:01Steve-O:Yeah, right exactly Especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the contender series that are so high level already Right, there's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard that no one's ever heard of their two undefeated fighters It could be world champions for sure. There's guys that are that good now

47:15Joe Rogan:Right, and that's what's so great about about the UFC is that the whole cards good the productions insane There's no downtime. It's just like you can sit there for fucking six hours. And be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing, there's so much time in between the bouts.

47:35Steve-O:Yes.

47:36Joe Rogan:They don't do

47:37Steve-O:nearly as good a job. UFC without doubt is the best promotion in all of combat sports. 100%. In terms of entertainment, production value, the people in the truck, the experts. 100%. They're the best.

47:51Joe Rogan:That's what I'm saying about Netflix is that they could have fixed it.

47:57Steve-O:They could have fixed it. Well, Zoof is trying to do that now. Right. And thank God they are. They're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC to start promoting boxing. And they're just getting rolling right now. But they signed some really big guys. They signed Conor Benn. They signed Jai Apathea, who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers. So it should be interesting.

48:20Joe Rogan:Yeah.

48:20Steve-O:Boxing is a fascinating sport. It's a mess.

48:24Joe Rogan:I mean, as far as the broadcast goes.

48:26Steve-O:Well, I think there's a few companies that know how to do it right, and HBO was the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, it was a real bummer. Because HBO Boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was like the best production team. It was Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant. rather um Roy Jones Jr. sometimes George Foreman sometimes and different fighters would sit in sometimes and it was the app Jim Lampley is the fucking best it was the best it was like the smoothest production they were the best with the cameras and the production quality and they'd get you hyped up about the fight with the little pre-made videos they didn't drag it out that that they knew how to do it HBO did it right they did it right but I guess it was like either it was not profitable or something they just decided to when they canned hbo boxer i couldn't believe it i was like after all these years it's such a crazy thing to do they were the best if you had an hbo boxing card and it was a big fight fuck i was pumped it was like the the quality of the product was so high level and they only put on really great fights like if it got to HBO, that was going to be a great fucking fight.

49:43Joe Rogan:Well, comedy specials were the same way, right?

49:45Steve-O:Sure. Yeah. Now, you know, now it's weird because it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms. And some guys take money over visibility. Like there's young guys that have gotten offers for places. And I was like, listen, man, I think you should put it on YouTube. For sure. You're not going to make any money. But you got to think about that money investing in yourself because I think you're really good. And I think that this material if you put it on YouTube, it's gonna go viral it'll spread around right way more people will know

50:14Joe Rogan:Sure, I I sorely regret my approach because because my my comedy specials are multimedia And like I got stuff in there I mean the whole point of my comedy with the multimedia is to have Stuff that you can't even show on jackass, right? You know, like just like super extra naughty jackass movie collides with the standup show. Right. And I love that. I have so much fun with that. And when I put out my last one, I did this thing that Andrew Schultz did, the moment, you know, like it's a paywall. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's his company moment. Right. And that was me trying to make money off this special.

50:59Joe Rogan:I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would have had no paywall whatsoever. I can't put it on YouTube, but put it on my website so that I could get the eyeballs because I think in the long run that would benefit way more.

51:13Steve-O:Why can't you put it on YouTube? Because the content?

51:15Joe Rogan:Because nudity, violence, like literally. That's going to be hard to distribute anywhere, even on a website, even on your website.

51:25Steve-O:That's just hard to get out.

51:28Joe Rogan:Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall, totally free, like no ads. Yeah. Just go to steveo.com and check it out.

51:37Steve-O:Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like if you want to see it now, pay, and then I'm going to put it on YouTube in X amount of months.

51:42Joe Rogan:A lot of people got mad about that.

51:44Steve-O:People get mad about everything. Understood. You got to always remember that, man. People get mad about everything. Right. You can't concentrate on that.

51:53Joe Rogan:I think that maybe they're a little bit more of a window. Because for the people who are the man I just spent well tell them what the window is right

52:02Steve-O:Just if you want to do it that way just tell them I'm gonna put it on YouTube in three months, right? Understood, but it all is like how successful are you right? So if you're a successful comedian you do that then your fans like hey, why do you need more money out of me? Why can't you just release it? But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished like Louis CK Was for a while and then louis ck has done a brilliant job putting everything on his website like yeah Harold and Pete is animated show lucky louis all the different louis the episodes So what he did was really create his own thing?

52:40Steve-O:That is like a one-stop shop of all things louis ck and it's really good and his mailing list Yeah, I'm on his mailing list me too and and whenever I see

52:51Joe Rogan:an email from Louis C.K. I absolutely click on it because he does it so masterfully.

52:58Steve-O:Yeah, it's interesting and funny and it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get and then he lets you know what he's doing. And he's never pressuring you. He's got the perfect balance, I think, of capitalism and still being an artist. It's the way to do it. But everybody's at their own little path. And the problem with someone like Andrew is he's already really successful. So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, come on, man. Just fucking put it on YouTube.

53:26Joe Rogan:My next one, I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall.

53:31Steve-O:Stan Hope always said it best. He said basically your special is just an ad to get people to come see you. Bill Burr said that. Yeah. That's really what it is. Right. And, you know, it's also like you got to retire material. Yeah. You know, just let it go. Oh, it's so hard for me. Let it sail out to sea and light it on fire. It's so hard for me.

53:50Joe Rogan:Of course it is. Of course it is.

53:52Steve-O:It's hard for everybody.

53:53Joe Rogan:Yeah.

53:53Steve-O:It's hard for everybody. But it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical. Right. So you have to, like, come up with new things that you can do to yourself. Staple your lips shut and tie your dick to your asshole.

54:04Joe Rogan:I'm so happy with what I've got now. That's good. Yeah. All right. I'm thrilled with it. Okay. So I was telling you, like, I spent this, you know, a couple years, like, really feet, In the darkness. Kind of in the darkness, yeah. Being your feelings. Being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about. There was a beginning of 2025, and I got really heavy on spirituality and faith. I'm that way anyway. I really care about that. But January of 2025, I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast. And I'm on there, and he's very big into his faith. Very Catholic, yeah.

54:59Joe Rogan:Very big into his Christianity. And I was in the thick of it, too, at that point. I was like, man, you know, like I've been criticism for being too much of a shill and this and that.

55:12Steve-O:It really bothered you that much.

55:13Joe Rogan:It kind of did, yeah, because I think because I was— Well, because it was accurate. It was accurate. It absolutely—for example, last time I was here, I'm like, Joe, my butt wipes for my butthole. And you're like, that's bad for the plumbing.

55:27Steve-O:It is bad for plumbing.

55:28Joe Rogan:Right. You can't flush those things. Dude, I—like, what I wish I said in that moment when you said how it's bad for plumbing, I'd seen on a package of dude wipes, it said, only flush one at a time and you'll be okay.

55:45Steve-O:Uh-uh.

55:46Joe Rogan:Maybe that's true. Now they've got... I stopped selling those fucking things. Don't flush anything

55:50Steve-O:other than toilet paper, period. Talk to any plumber.

55:54Joe Rogan:Okay. I'll tell you.

55:55Steve-O:Don't flush anything other than toilet paper. But dude,

55:57Joe Rogan:the internet had a field day when you shut down my butt wipes plug on here.

56:05Steve-O:See? I didn't even know about it.

56:07Joe Rogan:Isn't that better? I love that. Isn't that better? I love that.

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57:22Joe Rogan:And they had a field day because, like, me with the shilling and you with the point about the plumbing, and it was just like, and, like, fuck, I stopped selling those fucking things. I stopped selling everything.

57:36Steve-O:We used to have a sponsor. It's not our sponsor anymore, but I want to tell people to get it anyway. It's a thing called Tushy. You put it on your – Yeah.

57:42Joe Rogan:Oh, my God. Dude, every single time I promote Tushy on my podcast, I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had. That's excellent. I know that that's not a wise thing to say. Like if you're – if you think of all the other sponsors, I don't care. I don't care.

57:59Steve-O:Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore, but I tell everybody. It's not expensive, and it's legit, and it cleans your butthole. and then you just need a little wipe to pat it down. And you're just drying it off. Also, you feel better. Like, you don't feel like you smeared shit all over your bottle. Like, I don't know if you have a hairy asshole, but I do. Yeah. I'm hairy everywhere. I do. It's chaos down there if I don't trim it. So it's like you're wiping shit on the ass hairs. Right, sure.

58:25Joe Rogan:And that's, you know, that's like as soon as I started using the tushy, then I'm like, oh, my God. Now, if I ever find myself having to take a shit and there's not a bidet, now it's a crisis for me. I know. Now you're like, ew. Now I've got a problem. And that's why having the wet wipes, the butt wipes, became so important. Because if I don't have the bidet, like, heaven forbid. I get it.

58:53Steve-O:But if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails and your hand, would you be happy just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you would not. You would want to wash your fucking hands, right? Well, my wipes are okay It's okay It's it's better than not having them but you have to throw them in the garbage So then you have a shit smeared wet wipe in the fucking garbage Which is kind of nasty and you walk in they could smell the shit and no one's cleaned it yet And so then you have to have a plastic bag liner on your garbage can Those tushy things I have one we have them here at all the not it's not a tushy but it's another company, right?

59:30Steve-O:On all our toilets. We have it at the mothership. Oh, my God. It's the best. You have to have those things. It changes your life.

59:36Joe Rogan:And when you get the Tushy Ace, which has the heated seat, the warm water. Warm water is the key. And then it blow dries your butthole. Nice. Nice. It's ready for presentation. Okay. So I sit down with Mark Wahlberg, and I'm talking about this. And I say how leaning into faith really just so important. It's so important to me. And I had this meaningful conversation with Mark Wahlberg about that. And then the day the episode comes out, it didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out. I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee. And it strikes me. Oh, my God.

1:00:25But I had the audacity as I knew that the episode went out that day.

1:00:30Joe Rogan:I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful conversation about faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling. I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I don't have to be in the comments section to see people saying what a hypocrite. Like, oh, my God.

1:00:51Steve-O:Wait a minute. How does gambling make you a hypocrite? I mean, I just. I don't think that makes you a hypocrite at all. Listen, the gambling thing online, we should probably address this, is a very hot topic. And a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online. The problem is not gambling. The problem is people who are addicted to gambling. So the problem is self-control. And I'm not saying I'm a person who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life, given – I could have easily gotten addicted to gambling. But I'm not. And I don't mind gambling on stuff.

1:01:28Steve-O:I think sometimes it's probably fun. The problem is people – you saw Uncut Gems, right? Oh, my God. Best movie ever. That is gambling. That is the problem with gambling. That movie was so good. Fucking amazing movie. Adam Sandler killed it in that movie. It's such a good movie. Never felt so good about it. But the whole movie, I'm going like, oh, fucking don't do that. What the fuck are you doing, man? Don't do that. Right. Oh, Jesus, Adam.

1:01:56Joe Rogan:You know what, though? I made a decision on that day, hiking with my dog. I said, I'm not going to promote anything unless it's good for people. Wow. Good for you. I said, I don't want to do harm, man. Good for you.

1:02:09Steve-O:I don't think it does harm. I think it does harm if you let it do harm. But I think food does harm if you let it do harm. I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm. I think marijuana, drugs, all kinds of things do harm if you let them do harm. Right, but it's just in your face.

1:02:22Joe Rogan:I understand. And I don't want to participate in that. I get it. And I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that. That's good. So all these different things that I've done to be mindful, to feel more good about how I approach my life and my career. That's good. And then coming into this year, 2026, I was like, oh, man, like now with the Mr. Beast come out, I'm like, oh, this is going to change my life. We got a new jackass movie coming out. Like, I feel really good about how I've restored my my integrity. Like, I feel good about myself for myself. And then Joe. Oh, my God. Then I have Harland Williams on my podcast.

1:03:05Joe Rogan:OK, this guy is the most. He's a genius. You can't even understand the guy.

1:03:14Steve-O:He's one of the weirdest funny guys of all time. This snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants the entire episode telling us that he had a tapeworm. And then he pulled it out at the end of the episode. And I've left it on the desk ever since. And when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk. And he got so excited. He goes, hey, buddy, thanks for keeping – what did he call it? Thanks for keeping Demetri on the desk while Trump was in there. He's just such an oddball. He's so magnificent.

1:03:42Joe Rogan:Such a great guy, too. And I record my podcast in an RV, right? I got, like, three different RVs that I use for it, and one I keep in Los Angeles. So we get to Harlan Williams' house. For some reason, I'm driving, and I'm the fucking worst driver ever. And he's got this small driveway, and I'm trying to maneuver it around. And I get out of the van, and I'm like, I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver. And just like that Harlan Williams says to me, he goes, it's AIDS, Steve-o. You have AIDS. Just like the most fucking absurd thing. And so like going into this podcast, I'm like, all right, like now we're entering the realm of the absurd, you know, like let's play with Harlan Williams.

1:04:25Joe Rogan:Okay. Okay. At some point in the episode, the most fucking dumb idea that ever popped in my head. But you want to be a step ahead and figure out how we're going to keep this going. Where are we going to next? So I say to Harlan Williams, I think at one point I said, how about politics? Just thinking to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics, how does his absurdity navigate that? And that's what motivated me. So then somewhere in this back and forth, like effectively I say like, oh, yeah, well, all this shit with ice makes perfect sense because like because the majority of immigrants are murderers.

1:05:15Joe Rogan:This is the most patently fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast. And yet, after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own. And it genuinely looks like I'm not kidding. Even though you cut to Harlan Williams, but it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding. And then I open up my phone and it's like basically rotten hell. You think all immigrants are murderers. Joe, I could not be more the opposite of that. You're being sarcastic. I could not have been less serious. It was the most absurd, deliberately sarcastic thing I ever said. And I was in this place. I was so excited.

1:06:12Joe Rogan:I was so excited about doing my podcast. It was going, you know. And then now I'm just like deluged with this tsunami of hate. And that's what's so, you know.

1:06:23Steve-O:Did you respond? I did. Yeah, just say this is just you're fucking around.

1:06:27Joe Rogan:I posted on my Instagram. Okay. Like for clarification, I said I can't even. I said I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was like taken seriously. But like just – I can't believe I'm going to have to do this. But for the record, less than 0.1 percent of the population is ever going to commit murder. Of course, the majority of no group of fucking people is going to commit murder. But if you want to know how I actually feel, if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's ICE agents. You know like and so then as soon as I post that now like the whole other half of the world fucking hates me.

1:07:15Steve-O:Yeah, I wouldn't have said that either.

1:07:17Joe Rogan:Right, there you go. You know like and my sister is my voice of reason. She like I was like hey, what do you think about this? And she like made like one small tweak. She's like go for it. I just posted that. I don't even mind, you know, like I don't even mind that. I feel like if people are gonna hate me let them hate me for like how I actually feel you know like

1:07:39Steve-O:And I watch how dare you yes, it's my dad.

1:07:43Joe Rogan:I put my shit on don't do not disturb

1:07:46Steve-O:Maybe your dad goes through cuz he's like one of your yeah

1:07:49Joe Rogan:He's on my he's on my speed dial, but yes, it was just a terrible fucking Episode that I just went through and we set this up Like couple months ago like this happened like maybe three four weeks ago So I was like, when I was texting with you, I was like, oh, man, I was in a shitty place. I'm feeling really rad, dude. It'd be great to get together. And then now, since then, I'm in a shitty place.

1:08:18Steve-O:Yeah, well, obviously that ice subject is a very hot subject. People have gotten mad at me for my takes on it as well. You just have to speak your mind. Say what you really feel.

1:08:29Joe Rogan:If I'm honest, I regret all of it. You know, like, you know, I could have I could have worded my clarification in a way that made a lot more sense. I just it bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood. Yeah.

1:08:45Steve-O:You know, like, well, when you talk sarcastically with a guy like Harlan Williams, when you fuck around and you say things you don't really mean. Right. It's going to happen. I mean, Duncan is the best at that. like Duncan Trussell he will have entire podcasts where he pretends he's in the Illuminati and he'll talk to another comic who pretends he's one of the Rothschilds our friend Tony Tony Casillas gets on his podcast and what does Tony pretend a Rockefeller or a Rothschild one of them I think it's a Rockefeller I might be wrong but I mean he dyes his hair for the episode and everything it's so ridiculous and people think he really is one of those people Meanwhile, he's a doorman at the mothership.

1:09:30Steve-O:But Duncan will go through an entire podcast without breaking character. They'll talk about how important it is to control the population. They'll talk about how important it is to spread misinformation and keep people in the dark and how stupid the plebs are.

1:09:45Joe Rogan:Yeah, I'm too fucking sensitive, man.

1:09:49Steve-O:Yeah, well, it seems like it's not just that you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. it you're seeking you're seeking out feedback and i just i think you're a little too famous for that i just don't think it's healthy yeah i've known so many people that are loved loved by so many and yet they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that and uh i i've seen it with like very successful people it's just it's just louis said it best louis ck said it best he said the internet is just talk it's just you're it's written down so it seems more real you know because It stays up there forever.

1:10:24Steve-O:But it's just talk, just like people talk at a bar. Fuck that guy. You know, people say things, and they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily – their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are and some of them aren't. But to go through all that and figure it out, the problem is your brain only recognizes threats, danger, and people that hate you. Right? So you get 100 people that love you, but one person who says you fucking suck, and you'll just think about that guy. I'm like, oh, no, that guy, he used to be a fan. Like, I unfollowed him a long time ago. Right.

1:11:00Joe Rogan:Yeah, that makes sense. And, you know, another thing to that point here, I thought that when this Mr. Beast video came out and I won a million dollars, I gave it to Doctors Without Borders. Like, I just thought, oh, man, this is going to be life altering. And like it came in, you know, like I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say, dude, you're Steve-O from Mr. Beast. And I was like, oh, wow. Different generation. But other than that, like I thought it would be life altering and it really wasn't, you know.

1:11:31Steve-O:Yeah. And then so now like in this little like this whatever you want to call it, backlash, this like thing.

1:11:39Joe Rogan:Like to me, it feels like the whole world hates me, you know. Like when in reality, it's probably not.

1:11:46Steve-O:No, reality, everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before. It's crazy, man.

1:11:51Joe Rogan:It's crazy because I'll walk around and think like, man, like people are looking at me and maybe they hate me.

1:11:56Steve-O:I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled. This was quite a few years ago. This was like more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about something that he said that was patently false. But a lot of people believed it. And he made his own statement. But then he said, everywhere I go, he goes, I know this was small and it was only in the comedy community. But everywhere I went, I felt like these people hated me. They knew who they were and they were judging me. So it was like it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went.

1:12:29Steve-O:Right. Now imagine being Monica Lewinsky. Oh, my God. I know. So no Internet, right? Right. So this is like there's no way to tell whether people are siding with you or not. And everybody knows you suck the president's dick and you're 20 and you have to go to the store You have to take guys and if you don't blow a guy's like what the fuck? You're like famous for it, right? Yeah Every time she's probably giving head she's thinking oh my god. Why am I doing this? This is what got me in all this trouble in the first place, right? I can imagine that kind of weirdness Do you remember she did an HBO thing?

1:13:08Steve-O:She did an HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about what this experience has been like for her. And it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that, like, she was, like, taking questions, I guess. And the guy in the audience was like, why are you doing this? Like, you say you don't want attention, but here you are just getting more attention talking about it. And, like, you could tell, like, she didn't really think that through. Like, that someone was going to have that kind of a response. And it was like that was kind of like the end of the thing.

1:13:34Joe Rogan:I think that like, you know, when you're in that kind of a situation, you want to on some level clarify. Right. Like, you know, you want to say your side of it. Right.

1:13:48Steve-O:But your side of it ultimately for most people is going to be trying to make yourself look better. Right. And I think that's a problem. Yeah. That's a problem. Because that's very transparent. Right. And people kind of know what you're doing. I think it's always better like what you just did where you said like maybe I did overreact or maybe I shouldn't have done this. Maybe that's a stupid thing to say. Like be much more real about how you feel about things.

1:14:14Joe Rogan:Oh, I fucking blew it, Joe. No, but it doesn't matter, man.

1:14:19Steve-O:I'm telling you. This is all in your head. Everybody still loves you.

1:14:22Joe Rogan:You're the same guy.

1:14:23Steve-O:The people who love you will always love you. The people who hate you. It's like it's very rare that someone who really loves you hates you. Like if they do they're usually mentally ill and they want to like that I remember when I was a kid people would get mad if bands became famous and be like fuck those guys They're sellouts and I remember we were in high school. I go. Let me get this trait This is me at like 16. I go you love them. You think they're awesome, right? Yeah I go, but when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore because now they're mainstream He goes yeah, I go do you know how fucking dumb that sounds?

1:14:58Steve-O:Either they are awesome or they are not if they are awesome more people should know they are awesome Right, we're all just sitting around and a couple of my friends go. Yeah, like yeah Yeah, this idea of like being underground is fucking retarded Like why would you want that if you're great people are gonna find out about you, right? It doesn't mean you sold out It just means other people found out you were great like you recognize something and you think you're unique in your talent to recognize really good music and only you can appreciate it and if other people appreciate it then all of a sudden it's not good that is the dumbest fucking way to think i've ever

1:15:32Joe Rogan:encountered in my life i mean it to be fair i think that the criticism at that point is when they change when they're when they're trying to yes to reach a more broad audience but there's a

1:15:45Steve-O:lot of bands like and for instance that are not doing that and they just they just fucking hit Like people are mad at Nirvana for getting big.

1:15:53Joe Rogan:Right.

1:15:53Steve-O:Like, okay.

1:15:54Joe Rogan:Right. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just being a devil's advocate.

1:15:57Steve-O:Well, I get it. I mean, but it's, my point is it's a human inclination where you feel like you're a part of a small select group that really values and appreciates something. And all these normies, these fuckheads listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whatever they're listening to, you don't want those assholes listening to super cool music. But if it's like Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that everyone is gonna want to listen to that and then it becomes big like fuck those guys They're fucking sold out like right. It's just a dump. You're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life You're mad at your position in this universe.

1:16:30Joe Rogan:Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult to well

1:16:34Steve-O:This is now true, right? But we're talking about people were doing this back Right, right, right, right. They've always done this man. Yeah, this is just how people behave and You add that to the internet and it's just everything's accelerated times 10 times 100 times a million whatever the fuck it is down and and this is just the beginning you know we're we're at the brink of something really crazy as soon as ai takes over our society which is like within years we're we're going to experience the most radical change this

1:17:06Joe Rogan:civilization yeah it's it's literally a perfect storm um with the just the unsustainable debt

1:17:15Steve-O:Well, that's part of it.

1:17:16Joe Rogan:I mean, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.

1:17:19Steve-O:But it's like even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging that's infinitely smarter than human beings.

1:17:25Joe Rogan:What I'm saying is that –

1:17:27Steve-O:And has autonomy.

1:17:28Joe Rogan:The unsustainable debt, like already over a trillion dollars just paying for the interest alone. Right. Like, there's all that now, like, you know, other nations, central banks, whatever, like, they want to de-dollarize. They're not buying the United States treasuries the way they were. And that's, like, how the United States has been able to overspend is because they can sell the treasuries. Now, without people selling the treasuries, the only, like, the only buyer of the treasuries is the Fed. And they're buying the treasuries with printing money.

1:18:06Steve-O:Is that accurate?

1:18:07Joe Rogan:I think it's it's other countries aren't buying our treasure Less so it's me. It's becoming less. It's Of course, there's still like the United States treasure is the most liquid like, you know, but less so so When it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its treasuries, they got to increase the yield which means bigger interest payments so at a certain point it's like just the paying the interest on the debt is like a crippling thing and by the Fed printing money the way they're printing you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar so inflation more and more is gonna be a thing maybe not Weimar Germany or like Zimbabwe inflation but still inflation is not going to go away.

1:18:59Joe Rogan:You just can't have the money supply increase without that being the case. And so people's purchasing power goes down. Their wages aren't going up. So like people's, people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend. And then on top of that, AI comes and wipes out all the jobs.

1:19:18Steve-O:Yeah. It's spooky. It's spooky because no one really knows exactly what's going to happen, or how it's going to happen or how people will be compensated in order to keep society functional. Elon has this utopian vision of universal high income. Yeah, UBI, universal basic income.

1:19:40Joe Rogan:No, no, no. Universal high income?

1:19:41Steve-O:Yeah, no. His utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income. So they won't have to work. And so they'll be able to do whatever they want to do with their life. That's the ideal perspective. The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work.

1:19:59Joe Rogan:Sure.

1:20:00Steve-O:Especially if you went to school for it. You love it. This is the thing you've done. You've been a lawyer your whole life. You've been a doctor your whole life. You've been a this your whole life. And then all of a sudden, AI comes in and wipes that out. And like, what are you going to do? Are you going to play golf all day? Right. And then you have a fixed income now. Because even if it's universal high income, there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people. and drives a lot of innovation. So then is all innovation left up to artificial intelligence?

1:20:28Steve-O:Is that what we're really going to do? Because that seems kind of crazy.

1:20:31Joe Rogan:It's so crazy.

1:20:32Steve-O:I wonder, like, what keeps you going?

1:20:35Joe Rogan:I mean, like, you're in here doing these podcasts all the time with the UFC. You don't have to be doing this.

1:20:43Steve-O:Everything I do is fun. I love it. I would do everything I do for free. And I do all the time. I do stand-up for free all the time. I do guest bots all the time. Everybody does. Every comic does.

1:20:52Joe Rogan:Oh my god, did I have so much fucking fun at Kill Tony last night?

1:20:56Steve-O:Oh, it's the best show. It's the best show on earth. He is so unbelievably talented. He's the best host of any live comedy show, rather, of all time. There's no way. He's so good at it.

1:21:08Joe Rogan:Like, the amount of time when something is presented that he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react.

1:21:17Steve-O:Yeah, like it's written. Like you had a team of writers sitting there for a week. coming up with the best line and it busts off the top of his head and it's always mean.

1:21:27Joe Rogan:He's the best. He's the best. I know that he's sensitive about... Oh, man, he wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on it last night. Why? Because before the show, he'd ask the audience, don't give away the secret of who's the guest.

1:21:42Steve-O:It doesn't matter.

1:21:42Joe Rogan:All right. Then I'll say one thing because it was so fun.

1:21:45Steve-O:Don't say what happened because this show's going to come out before that happens. Right, right. Don't do that.

1:21:49Joe Rogan:I'll tell you. Yeah, it's just suffice it to say that Tony Hinchcliffe has got to be the fastest, wittiest fucking comic I've ever.

1:21:58Steve-O:Well, he's the best at that format. And he created it, right? So it's like a genius idea. Have comics do one minute. Dude, comics have done one minute the first time they've ever been on stage at Madison Square Garden in front of 16 ,000 people and fucking ate dick. Right. It's a great show. And then he has guys like Dave Attell, Shane Gillis, Mew, fucking Harlan is one of the greatest guests of all time.

1:22:27Joe Rogan:Donnell. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:29Steve-O:Donnell is amazing. He's got, I mean, there's just so many. Right.

1:22:35Joe Rogan:And like.

1:22:36Steve-O:Kyle Dunnigan, who does like five different characters that are incredible. Yeah.

1:22:40Joe Rogan:Such high level comics.

1:22:42Steve-O:Uh-huh. Adam Ray.

1:22:43Joe Rogan:I mean, right. But I'm saying like high level feature comics. Uh-huh. You know, who aren't like super known. who do one minute as well they're seeking out to go i brought my opener from tour a guy who's not like widely known but i just love him and he's so funny so good like he and he put

1:23:01Steve-O:his name in the barrel put his name in the barrel that's the thing too if people asking me to get them on kill tony i cannot no one can that is true that barrel is legit that barrel is legit you reach into that barrel tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch and he pulls it And that's how it's always been done. And that's how he's always gonna do it because people come to him all the time Hey, could you get my friend on the show? He's like I cannot do that. He's like that is the show. Thank God It's got to be chance. It's got to be chaos That's part of the fun of it right and then every now and then someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute Everybody goes fuck.

1:23:35Steve-O:Yeah, that was awesome right and they kill it and all of a sudden they have a career right? It's great. Okay. Um, it's the cornerstone of stand-up too It really is because it's wild. It's like there are no rules. It's no holds barred. And you've got great comics on the panel. And it has launched careers. For sure. So because of that, like, it is so important for us having killed Tony at the club. It's so important because it sets the tone for all these comics to know, like, hey, this isn't just like some random thing of I don't know what I'm doing. How do I figure it out? How do I get seen? Like, there's a pathway.

1:24:13Steve-O:And if you can get on kill Tony and if you can work your ass off before then and build up a real solid routine and go on There and kill it you can have a fucking career. It's real Yeah, and then the club has two nights of open mic nights and there's a real development program and the real talent coordinator Adam Egan who watches sets and gives you feedback

1:24:31Joe Rogan:That the opener that I'm talking about and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night His name is Chris Harvey. I love he's six foot four 480 pounds like missing tooth, beard, funniest guy. Where's he from? He's from Ohio. Is it Dayton? I'm not sure where or not but I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana and they just set him up to open for me. I watched his set. I was like what are you doing for the next three weeks?

1:25:06Steve-O:Oh that's awesome. That's awesome. So did he get up on the open mic night?

1:25:09Joe Rogan:He, that's why I texted Tony, like, hey, I've got this opener. Can I get him on? And Tony said, I can get him in the bucket. Who knows if I'll pull him out. But I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the booker. So he did that.

1:25:24Steve-O:Nice. Nice. Yeah. It's important that you can't just get on the show. Yeah, that's great. His phone would be just overrun with people, get my boy on, and then some of them suck.

1:25:34Joe Rogan:That makes perfect sense.

1:25:36Steve-O:Yeah, you have to just let it happen. If they suck, they suck. They don't – you know, it's like anything can happen. And that's part of the beauty of it. It's like a real magical moment when you reach into that bucket and you pull out a name and Bob Smith. And then Bob Smith comes on out and gives it a shot. And the characters. I mean, dude.

1:25:53Joe Rogan:I just had so much fun, man. I don't like being on the end because you're too close to these psychos.

1:25:59Steve-O:You never know. Like I'm always on edge. That's funny. You want to be like protected by like one body.

1:26:05Joe Rogan:Apologies to Tony for giving away that I was on it last night. The eyes are gonna care That you know what I want to talk about I watched Brian Callen special very recent at the mothership like It was like you got all these people like you know whenever anybody put that's the thing about fucking comedy is it's so subjective that like it's just If anybody can shit on a special if they want and I saw these like the YouTube videos I was like, oh, Brian Callens, this is the most worst bomb. It's going to end his career. And I was like, come on. Like, let me watch this. I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Brian Callens' special.

1:26:49Joe Rogan:It is one that he just taped at the mothership.

1:26:52Steve-O:That's great. You got to stop paying attention to people. Yeah.

1:26:54Joe Rogan:I enjoy it.

1:26:55Steve-O:Because people want it to suck. Like, there's people that think Chappelle's last special sucked. Oh, my God. Can we talk about that? I haven't seen it yet, so. Okay.

1:27:07Joe Rogan:But I heard it was awesome for people that I trust. The Riyadh Comedy Festival, right? Like it was such like an apocalyptic fucking nuclear bomb. Did you go to that? I didn't. No. But like there was so much backlash from people who went to it. And they were like individual comics had their own way of kind of defending their move to – A lot of comics were very defensive about how they went, and a lot of them maybe seemed a little bit disingenuous in their defense. And then, dude, Dave Chappelle puts out this special and so unapologetic about him being at the Riyadh comedy. It was just like... It was so fucking masterful.

1:27:57Steve-O:Oh, he's a master.

1:27:58Joe Rogan:The way he was just like, oh, like I went to Riyadh and got paid like a fuck ton of money to do comedy and like so unapologetic. And it was just like, oh, my God.

1:28:10Steve-O:Well, the idea is that you support the regime by doing stand up over there, which I think is crazy because you're doing it for the audience members. And the audience members have no say in who their government is. They're literally a monarchy.

1:28:20Joe Rogan:I'm not even – I don't even have a judgment whatsoever, especially because have I ever not watched a UFC event because it happened in Saudi Arabia? Fuck no.

1:28:31Steve-O:Or Dubai or wherever. Right. You don't do that with sporting events, but you do it with comedy. I think the idea is that comedians are supposed to be social commentators and they're supposed to like carry a baton for free speech. And one of the particularly egregious things that's been attributed to Saudi Arabia was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who was a journalist from The Washington Post, who was killed at the Turkish embassy and they cut him up with a fucking bone saw and some dark shit. Yeah, I get it. I get the criticism and I get people saying, well, I'm going to perform for my audience and my audience is over there.

1:29:07Steve-O:And if they say I can't make fun of I think you can't make fun of the monarchy. You can't make fun of the the leaders or the government and you can't make fun of Islam or religion I think maybe might just be religion period.

1:29:19Joe Rogan:Yeah, I think it was you can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family.

1:29:24Steve-O:Yeah All right Well, you got to decide then if you know what those are the parameters are, you know If you maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all or maybe you're like I don't have any Bits about the royal family or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people uncensored Right.

1:29:40Joe Rogan:I mean, I thought about it. I see both sides. I don't give a shit one way or the other. My only input here is that Dave Chappelle, like, checkmated the whole fucking thing.

1:29:52Steve-O:Of course. He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social media. He's not paying attention to people's opinions of him. You cannot because there's so many people that have decided that he was a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. like I mean literally told the story about this person in his act and people didn't care because he made jokes about trans people like of course it's in the public eye this idea that you can't joke about something is if there's a thing you can't joke about that thing is fucked up and that's why the Lakota used to have a like a sacred clown they called it a hayoka and a hayoka was like a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything and if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing.

1:30:36Steve-O:Because if there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised, right? Because you can kind of joke around about everything if it's actually funny, no matter what it is. Sure. Even tragedy given enough time, you can joke around about it. Yep. I mean, you could do a 9-11 joke right now and no one's going to blink. When you want your spring break to feel like

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1:31:24Joe Rogan:Oh my god, you remind me of what I think was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw from Jeff Ross Going back the year I want to say was like 2016 The Magic Castle in Los Angeles There was Like in the magicians A magician was found hanging in a closet In the Magic Castle

1:31:50Steve-O:Yeah, he committed suicide

1:31:51Joe Rogan:Had taken his own life

1:31:52Steve-O:Yeah.

1:31:53Joe Rogan:That morning, Jeff Ross tweeted that his last words were abracadaver.

1:32:06Steve-O:That's fucking funny. That's such a Jeff Ross type joke. That's a Tony Hinchcliffe type joke, too. Abracadaver. Yeah. I mean, if there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that that thing is usually bullshit. and if that thing is trans people, then you are ignoring that there's a glaring hole in this narrative that you're trying to push and whether or not people are accepting that narrative.

1:32:29Joe Rogan:You know, I'll be spilling out some of the stuff that I have in my current hour, and I really don't mind.

1:32:39Joe Rogan:For me, I feel like the bar's got to keep getting higher and keep getting higher. So as I went into putting together this new hour that I'm touring with one of my multimedia bits like Ended up not being a really great idea, but I thought I'm gonna get a fucking boob job Oh, yeah, I heard about that right. Did you do it? I didn't I I That was I was within ten hours of being under the knife And like the universe just intervened right cuz they have to cut your muscle man, right? Well, I'm like I mean, you know the thing or do they go into the skin?

1:33:13Steve-O:They go to your nipples?

1:33:14Joe Rogan:You can do it in multiple different ways. I was I was told I was interested in just the idea because like I I'm now in my 50s right and so like my whole new hour is is the theme of it is How the fuck is Steve-o supposed to be in his 50s? You know like and so with the putting the stuff up my butt section is like the importance of we're at an age we got to get prostate exams colonoscopies you know that's a real thing and so I'm trying to like de

1:33:48Steve-O:stigmatize the prostate exam right definitely not putting things up your

1:33:53Joe Rogan:ass for entertainment I'm blending it together and it's pretty awesome and you know what one of my things is like you know it's a rite of passage for men in middle-aged to one day you realize holy fuck I'm getting tits you know like like uh I I noticed it one time I'm like I'm fucking I got dimples you know like actual fucking under boob over here and it's fucking like I'm this wasn't supposed to happen to me and so like that kind of was my motivation I'm like if if this is gonna happen then like I'm lashing out at father time I'm Why don't you get a boob job? So I had the guy, famous plastic surgeon from Botched, Terry Dubrow, on my podcast.

1:34:39Steve-O:Is he one of those guys that fixes people? Yeah, Botched.

1:34:42Joe Rogan:He's great. I love that guy. Happened to be brothers with the lead singer of Quiet Riot, too.

1:34:49Steve-O:No way. Yeah.

1:34:50Joe Rogan:Come on, feel the noise. Terry Dubrow. That's crazy. He was epic. So on the podcast, I was like, hey, I'm thinking about a wild, crazy stunt. Like get a boob job and then just like film a bunch of pranks and stunts and then get it out. You know, like wild publicity stunt. I feel like the whole world is going to know about it. And he had me take off my shirt. And he's like, yeah, your skin is already loose enough. You could fit double D implants. He says, but you got to get them out within two months or the stretching would be unmanageable. Oh, boy. And in my head, I'm thinking this is the loudest fucking craziest.

1:35:33Joe Rogan:Like this is where the bar is at. You know, like that. You need better friends. You really do. The level of commitment to do something that fucked up. Like I just thought. And I was really into the idea. And I got super close.

1:35:49Steve-O:Call me next time. Just fucking call me, dude.

1:35:53Joe Rogan:Dana said the same thing.

1:35:54Steve-O:Yeah, don't do that. Dana said the same thing.

1:35:56Joe Rogan:So now, like, I had blabbed it to the media, which is why you'd heard about it. So, you know, there are all these articles. It's the night before my fucking operation, and I get a phone call, like, from the doctors, whatever guy. He says, hey, buddy, we hit a snag, man. Like, the anesthesiologist backed out. You know, we've got to reschedule the surgery. I'm like, fuck, man. So now the next day, they're trying to reschedule it. and I'm buying groceries in the supermarket in LA and the person ringing me up on the cash register seems pretty evidently transgender. And I'm just like, dude, it's like the fucking universe is giving me signs over here.

1:36:43Joe Rogan:And so I ask this. It didn't even occur to me up to this point that I need to run it by anybody because I'm like, fuck it, my body, my choice. Who cares? You know, I'm doing a dumb stunt to like, you know, be crazy. But in this situation, talking to this transgender person, like, hey, can I run something by you? And I spoke with them. They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, hey, let me tell you, like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work. We've got like politics. That's not true.

1:37:19Steve-O:They're just not allowed to use the bathroom. It doesn't align with their biological sex. Okay. But you got to realize they're not all. Listen, I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are in the wrong biological sex. Sure. Right. But there's also people that are fucking perverts. And they have a thing called autogynephilia. And what that is is they get a turn on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it. And they want to be around women. And they're creeps. And so you give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket to go into the women's locker room and the women's bathroom and stare at women and pretend you're a woman when you're just a crazy man.

1:37:59Steve-O:And you're actually into women.

1:38:01Joe Rogan:That's real too, man. I don't doubt that that's real. And I know that it's a super complex, nuanced thing. And I don't—

1:38:09Steve-O:Yeah, but here's what's not complex. What is your chromosomes? Right. Okay? This is the same thing for competing. All these fucking mental gymnastics that seemingly intelligent people do to justify biological males competing with females.

1:38:23Joe Rogan:I don't think anybody's arguing that. It's the same thing.

1:38:26Steve-O:It's the same thing. Right. And especially speaking as a man who has daughters, like there are creeps. And if you give a creep – and I'm not saying all trans people are creeps. Right. But a lot of these fucking people that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms dressed as a woman with a fucking beard and a heart on are just that. They're creeps. They're crazy men. And these crazy men their entire life, they would get beaten up for that. Now, all of a sudden, they have to be accepted. So you've got two things going on at the same time. For sure. You've got people with gender dysphoria that genuinely wish they were a woman or genuinely wish they were a man.

1:39:06Steve-O:And by the way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in. Who cares? Who cares? Oh, a girl's going to shit next to you? Or what is she going to do? She's going to pee out of a funnel? What is she going to do? Like, no one's going to get hurt. I'm not arguing with you. No one's going to get hurt. This is the problem. When you allow perverts to have this hall pass to go into women's locker rooms and bathrooms. So you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true. You're just not allowed to use the women's room where other women are in there because you're not a woman.

1:39:43Steve-O:And I know you wish you were a woman or whatever's going on. But you're not.

1:39:49Joe Rogan:You make a very, very good point.

1:39:50Steve-O:If you're a woman, talk to most women about this. And it's unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality and the fact that perverts are still a real fucking thing. Yeah. And this this loophole you've given loopholes like there's men in prison. I think it's like 47 biological males in California are housed in women's prisons. Some of them are sex offenders. Some of them in Canada. There's a guy in Canada that they had to pay for his boob job while he was in jail for being a sex offender, and they put him in a women's prison. Yeah.

1:40:27Joe Rogan:I'm not arguing with any of that.

1:40:29Steve-O:There's men who have pretended to be women, gone into women's prison, had sex with women, and impregnated them. There's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison that are pretending to be women with functional dicks. All they have to do is identify, air quotes. When you just have to identify that's it no operation no nothing identify that is Bonkers, and do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison? Do they give hormone replacement therapy to people in prison? I don't know I don't know but even then it's still a man with estrogen That you can't escape your fucking chromosomes, okay, and until you can Until there's some sort of a crisper thing that let you really want to be a woman We can turn you into an actual woman until that happens.

1:41:15Steve-O:What you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria Which has always been classified as a mental illness until people became much more empathetic and sensitive to people that have this problem

1:41:26Joe Rogan:Right and and you make a completely valid argument

1:41:32Steve-O:Nobody should be able to tell you you can't do something fucking stupid like get a boob job because they are transgender That's crazy.

1:41:40Joe Rogan:My experience was that I didn't get any of this, like, you know, sense that this is a creepy pervert, anything like that. I just thought, man.

1:41:54Steve-O:They don't have to be a creepy pervert.

1:41:55Joe Rogan:Right.

1:41:56Steve-O:Right. But it's still a man.

1:41:57Joe Rogan:Understood. I just thought, man, I heard what they had to say about, you know, politicians trying to put them in internment camps. Who's doing that?

1:42:10Steve-O:What politicians are saying they should be put in internment camps?

1:42:13Joe Rogan:I think there was some kind of a—

1:42:14Steve-O:There might be one kook out there that's saying that to try to get attention. There's no movement to try to put transgender people in internment camps. Okay.

1:42:22Joe Rogan:Well, then I'll land on this.

1:42:24Steve-O:Do you know who's killed more people than ICE this year? Trans shooters. Do you know the majority of these high school shootings have been transgender people?

1:42:34Joe Rogan:I did not know that. Yeah.

1:42:36Steve-O:How many of them? There was one recently. And, yeah, it's a lot of them. You know why? Because they're giving them psych medications. They're giving them a bunch of crazy hormones. And a lot of them probably have mental struggles already. And they're ostracized from society and fill in the blank. And then they're empowered by thinking that the world has done something bad to them and that there's like a genocide against trans people. And they attack J.K. Rowling and they attack all these people. Martina Navratilova, who's like a famous lesbian for being a bigot because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis.

1:43:13Steve-O:It's nuts, man. And it's like either you go by biology or you do not. Either you go by XY chromosome or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman. That's how you get men in women's prisons. Yeah.

1:43:32Joe Rogan:All right. You've convinced me.

1:43:34Steve-O:It doesn't mean you can't be kind. It doesn't mean you can't. I try to be kind to everyone. And if I meet someone who's trans, if they want me to call them Stacy or whatever, like, I know a couple trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman. I'm super cool with them, hug her every time I see her. I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I want biological women in my – I think the solution is individual bathrooms whenever feasible. And if you want to have an all gender bathroom, good luck with the legal ramifications of that if it's a bar Because then any guy can fucking go in there and any guy and girl could if it's a multiple stall bathroom, right?

1:44:14Steve-O:But the solution is XY chromosome The solution is like if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on and he's trans just leave him alone Leave him alone. Let him go to the bathroom. Like what what is the big deal? Yeah, you're like at the end of the day We have to understand that like what is more important one person's feelings or the safety of all these women and The safety of all these women is much more important. Yep So you you gotta be kind to people but also you got to have rules There's a reason why there's a woman's room and a men's room It's because some men are fucking creeps and if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress Well you and again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this at all, but you can't have that loophole You can't.

1:44:57Steve-O:That's like you can't have an open border. Doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers. And you don't think that either, right? I don't. But some people that sneak across the border if you don't check are going to be murderers. It's just a fact. Yeah. So you have to have a fucking closed border to check. And you have to have a gender border too. Yeah.

1:45:14Joe Rogan:Well, God damn it. And my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to you is that it made me feel compassionate.

1:45:22Steve-O:Well, that's nice.

1:45:23Joe Rogan:And I want to be a good. That's good.

1:45:25Steve-O:A better reason would be it's fucking stupid. You get a boob job. Don't do it. No one's going to like you more. I think you're cool because you got a boob job at 52.

1:45:34Joe Rogan:I'm glad that 51.

1:45:36Steve-O:How old are you now? Yeah, that's too old for a boob job.

1:45:38Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:45:39Steve-O:Even if you're a girl.

1:45:40Joe Rogan:Stop.

1:45:40Steve-O:Unless you just got divorced, you're like, I need some new dick. I gotta go.

1:45:43Joe Rogan:I'm really glad that I didn't do it.

1:45:46Steve-O:Yeah, me too. If you were here with two giant boobs, I'd be like, I don't know what to say to this guy. This is so stupid.

1:45:52Joe Rogan:You know who was into the idea and thought it was fucking really funny was Bert. Of course. Of course.

1:45:59Steve-O:Also, he has his own boobs. Right. Bert goes back and forth, but he's light now. He quit drinking for like six months.

1:46:08Joe Rogan:Oh, man. Yeah, a little bit of a health scare. His fucking sitcom on Netflix is so good. It's really good. So good.

1:46:16Steve-O:He's funny, man. He's a fun dude. It's just like he's another guy that is like a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff like you. You know, like talking about that thing where you get the negative feedback. You got a lot of negative feedback for over-promoting shows. But don't listen. Don't watch it. Who cares? If you think he's promoting himself too much, just don't pay attention.

1:46:39Joe Rogan:Let me run this by you.

1:46:40Steve-O:There's shit to be angry about in the world. Sure.

1:46:42Joe Rogan:Burt Kreischer promoting a comedy special is not on that list. Right. Let me run this by you. Okay. So I decide I'm only going to promote things that are healthy, or at the very least, don't do harm. I felt really good about that. All right.

1:47:01Steve-O:So what are you promoting that you have a problem with? I see this guy, Brian Johnson. Oh, the guy who wants to live forever.

1:47:12Joe Rogan:Yeah, the guy who wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him. I had him on my podcast and, you know, he's a unique guy. But I see him. He's on this warpath against AG1. And I'm like, God damn it. I'm like.

1:47:29Steve-O:Right, but he sells a competing supplement.

1:47:31Joe Rogan:Right. That sounds.

1:47:32Steve-O:Here's the thing about AG1.

1:47:33Joe Rogan:For what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day and I love it.

1:47:37Steve-O:It's vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end all, be all. It's going to fix your health. But vitamins are good for you. And if you can get vitamins in a simple travel pack like AG1 has and throw them in your book bag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period. That's it. That's all it is. Yeah. I think part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics and prebiotics. Like when people have analyzed the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism. But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form, like that seems kind of silly.

1:48:17Steve-O:Like it's – is it going to be the best thing that you've ever done for your health? No, being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your health. But having like some sort of nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing, little thing that you add to your food every day, to your –

1:48:35Joe Rogan:It's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet.

1:48:39Steve-O:It's a good thing to have vitamins, period. That's it. Vitamins are good.

1:48:43Joe Rogan:And it tastes good. It's simple. A lot of people say AG1 doesn't taste good. I like the way it tastes.

1:48:48Steve-O:You know, and if you think it's too expensive or you think it's not good enough, then okay, don't take it. Whatever. But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. AG1 is not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. It's pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff. Okay, good. Take it or don't take it. Who cares? You know, people worry too much, again, about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time in this. You're halfway dead, Bubba. You know, you don't have much time on this planet to be worrying about stupid shit. Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Thank you. Don't.

1:49:18Steve-O:Don't do it, man. Okay.

1:49:19Joe Rogan:I just want to be a good guy. Yeah. That's my thing.

1:49:23Steve-O:Then just be a good guy. Yeah. But don't worry about it all the time. Good. That shit ain't good for you. Yeah. Don't be in your head like that. You know what? You're in your head worrying about your public image. You're in your head worried about where you are in your career. You're in your head. Just do your best. Yeah. Just do your best all the time. Yeah. If you enjoy what you're doing and you do your best, everything's going to be fine. Yeah. Or not. Or you die. You know, like you can't control that either. So what do you just keep going? Yeah. Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out.

1:49:58Steve-O:And a lot of what you're mapping out is other people's opinions of you. Like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life than to live for other people's opinions.

1:50:06Joe Rogan:There you go.

1:50:07Steve-O:Yeah. Yeah. Do self-auditing. Do some self-assessing. You know, there's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself. And so I don't. I fix it. Figure it out. Fix it. Do better. Fix that. Fix this. Don't do as much of that. Do less of this. Do more of what you think is good, you know? Yeah. Try to be a nicer person. Try to be kind. Like, it's like you can. But don't sit around worrying about what each individual commenter thinks about you. God, that's crazy for you. It's you're you're absorbing too much negativity. And it's this is the message that I give to everybody. Look, there's a great benefit to social media.

1:50:45Steve-O:It's an amazing tool and it's changed society. However, it's just like gambling. It's just like pornography. It's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it and it could be your whole fucking life if you let it.

1:50:59Joe Rogan:It's been over a decade since I watched porn. That's awesome. Yeah.

1:51:05Steve-O:Good for you. And some people, it's been about five minutes. Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now while they're watching this. They're jacking off right now to a gangbang while they're listening to Steve-O talk about how, oh, you're missing out. You know how many people are subscribed to OnlyFans? We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans? It's something shocking. It's some insanely shocking number. It's like 100-plus million subscribers to OnlyFans. Man. And then with women, it's somewhere between like the ages of 18 to like 20-something.

1:51:45Steve-O:It's like 10 % of the population is on OnlyFans.

1:51:49Joe Rogan:As content?

1:51:51Steve-O:As content creators. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what's weird is because like if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, right, you're a porn star, right? But maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend. Maybe you wear a mask. OK. But you're. Are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution? So what if they just said, well, let's just legalize prostitution. Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate? Like Uber driver, prostitute. Right. You know, what do you want to do? Like there's a lot of people who would go into prostitution.

1:52:28Steve-O:And some people think they should have that right to do that. and it should be freedom and freedom of expression and freedom of occupation. And then other people go, that might not be the best for society. I had this crazy thought at one point. What are the numbers for OnlyFans? There's no official numbers. It's somewhere in the range of$100 million to$150 million, but only 4 % of those are actually people who pay. Oh, how does that work? They're free accounts. Okay, so what percent is people that pay? Sorry, 4%. Four?

1:53:00Joe Rogan:4.2.

1:53:01Steve-O:Four? Oh, so there's 100 million people accessing free content and 4 % of the users actually compete paid transactions. Wait a minute, but does it cost money to join? Nope. It doesn't cost to join? It's up to the person who's making the content. So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed? Depends. So if you go on OnlyFans, you have to subscribe to each person's content. Right? Yes. Okay. So it's only 4 % that are doing that. So over 100 million creepers, they're just checking it out. Well, that's where you go. People have multiple accounts. Right. That's a good point. Why? Well, various reasons.

1:53:47Steve-O:I wouldn't get into them. Jamie's got multiple accounts. I've never subscribed to one of those things. Of course not. I was joking. But I mean so 4 % is not as much but it's still –

1:54:00Joe Rogan:That's 4 million people that are paying – 4 or 5 million people that are paying. Yeah, still a lot.

1:54:05Steve-O:And what are the percentage of young girls that are on OnlyFans as content creators? And they're not all showing the cooch. Some of them are just a little nip slip, maybe just a bikini shot, G-string, bend over. But it's still.

1:54:21Joe Rogan:But then you've got like the bad baby chick make like$50 million on there. I know. That's crazy.

1:54:27Steve-O:What did she do on there? I don't know.

1:54:29Joe Rogan:I have no idea.

1:54:30Steve-O:According to these numbers, 4 to 4.6 million creators worldwide with 1 million of them being in America. Oh, that's it? So when they said it's 10 % of girls 18 to 49, what percentage of girls – not 18 to 25. I think that was the number. What percentage of girls, put that in 18 to 25 in America, have an account on OnlyFans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on OnlyFans. Okay, let's see here. Let's see what it says.

1:55:1010%.

1:55:10Steve-O:14 % of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That's crazy, dude.

1:55:17Joe Rogan:That is really crazy.

1:55:18Steve-O:That's crazy. 14 % of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That is wild. It's just an estimate, though, just for argument's sake. Yeah. Because there are not official numbers, I don't think, in any way.

1:55:32Joe Rogan:I had this crazy thought, hypothetically.

1:55:35Steve-O:That's a crazy estimate.

1:55:38Joe Rogan:Hypothetically, if you had like a brick and mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there and Or else you mean? Right. Yeah, and and an ordained Minister so that like a guy could walk in pick out a woman and Marry them marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife and you are Consummating your marriage that's got to be totally legal and then as you leave the establishment you annul the marriage. Is that not like would that not just automatically... That's a loophole?

1:56:13Steve-O:That's a prostitution loophole? Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately and get married and then give someone citizenship. Right.

1:56:22Joe Rogan:But as soon as you...

1:56:25Steve-O:But they come and visit you. They want to see if you're really in love. They're like, how long have you guys known each other? It's crazy. Let me see you hold hands. Let me see you kiss.

1:56:34Joe Rogan:I know a bunch of people who have gotten married for just citizenship. Oh, yeah.

1:56:37Steve-O:I know a dude who married a girl for citizenship. Yeah.

1:56:42Joe Rogan:But you got to stay married.

1:56:44Steve-O:Yeah. He did it for her. She was – fuck, where was she from? I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia.

1:56:52Joe Rogan:They seem to tend to be from Russia.

1:56:55Steve-O:Yeah. It was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the 90s. She's dead now.

1:57:01Joe Rogan:Okay. I want to ask you. Do you believe in reincarnation?

1:57:05Steve-O:I don't not believe in it.

1:57:06Joe Rogan:I think that there's pretty solid evidence, if not irrefutable. But you've got little kids that are giving details that check out.

1:57:24Steve-O:There's another alternative. That alternative is genetic memory. And so we know that some memories are transferred through genes. And this is one of the reasons why arachnophobia exists. Arachnophobia is an irrational fear of spiders. The idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by a spider. Either you witness someone dying from a spider bite or you almost died from a spider bite, and that memory is transferred through the genes. The same with aphidiophobia, which is a fear of snakes. There's irrational fears that some people have that they attribute to a possible genetic memory.

1:58:01And then there's also genetic memories that are in animals that we know for a fact.

1:58:07Steve-O:Like a dog does not have to be taught. Like I have a golden retriever. Marshall. Marshall. He's the best. And you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever. He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also – I didn't have to teach him to pee in a bush and lift his leg. Like he knew how to do that. It's in their system, right? There's a bunch of things that are in their system. There's they see animals they get excited they want to bite them like it's not a learned behavior like that dog's super well fed But he will fuck a squirrel up if he catches it why because it's in his genetics It's in his toy instinct right so then with humans think about all the different things that humans learn and Think of all the different fears that humans have and how many of them are programmed like Rupert Sheldrake had a really important point once about what children are afraid of.

1:58:58Steve-O:He goes, when you think about it, what are children afraid of? They're afraid of monsters in the dark, right? They're not afraid of child molesters or murderers or rapists, car accidents. They're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters. And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster, right? So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being preyed on by cats and big cats who killed people forever hid in the trees they hid in the dark and you would go out to get water and they'd fuck you up and kill you and so that is in little kids memories so if there's if there's these kind of peripheral abstract memories or or really radical sharp memories that don't make sense like arachnophobia and things like that like it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information.

1:59:56Steve-O:You just don't have a way of expressing it yet. That's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grew up in different families. They might have never even been around that parent, but they have like some sort of innate musical talent or literary talent or something. I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that we're not totally aware of. It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you got from your parents. Oh, look, my dad was into history. That's why I'm into history.

2:00:30Steve-O:Look at all these things. I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Mary Lou Henner from Taxi the other day. What's that disease she has? It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease. It's an amazing ability. She has this incredible ability. You can tell her July 2nd, 1976. She could tell you it was a Tuesday. She could tell you what happened, what was in the news, who did what, what she did, what clothes she was wearing.

2:01:06Steve-O:Highly superior autobiographical memory. Now, imagine if that – whatever that is, that incredible memory is passed genetically occasionally and passed into some children and then they don't just get the memory of their own life but they get the memory of previous lives that other people have lived. OK. So you think about how many different generations of human beings had to exist before Stevo was born. You have all of this DNA and all of this information inside of your genes, supposedly. Maybe you can access some of that. And that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation.

2:01:47Joe Rogan:Okay. What is this, Jamie?

2:01:48Steve-O:This is the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia. His name is Dr. Jim Tucker. He's continuing the work of a previous doctor. I think Hammond is his last name. Interesting. These are the two most repeated stories I've heard about that people talk about. There's a kid that repeats stories of a plane crash when he was a pilot. There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are insane. Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earlier matching exactly despite no prior family exposure. Okay. Well, that's very different.

2:02:23Steve-O:He went and met people and recognized them, I think, and even pointed out some of the things. Okay. So that – but here's the thing. If that kid is not related in any way to this person who died from the plane crash. I don't believe so. Then we're talking about something totally different then. But what you are getting at, there is discussions of this kind of overall work. I think it's on here where people talk about that. Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics. So how this happens isn't known, obviously, because this guy even says it starts, I think, between like age two and by age five or so.

2:02:57Steve-O:all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember this stuff anymore. Wow. It's like very fleeting. You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you. And if you start asking too many questions, they freak out. Some of the kids start crying and it goes away. It's very odd, but there's too many cases. Well, what's really odd is that it goes away. Yeah. That's really odd. As you were saying with Mary Lou Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11. Interesting. Yeah, it's always little kids.

2:03:22Joe Rogan:It's always little kids that have memories of past lives. And they're supposed to name the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory. You know, it's supposed to be a reincarnation thing. I'm fascinated by that. And also, kind of in the same vein of it, so many irrefutable examples of where consciousness is evident separate from the brain. Like you've got the, you know, like people with no brain activity whatsoever, you know, like they're officially dead, you know, they're in the hospital. and they wake up, come back to life, whatever the case may be, and they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious.

2:04:16Joe Rogan:And to the extent that that can maybe be explained for what they were in the room, a lot of these cases, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital. You know, like there's a case of a guy, a doctor, he was like, you know, had a patient and, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital. He gets like, spills spaghetti on his shirt or something. He's like, oh man, I got a stain on my shirt. And so he like puts his lab coat, you know, over it and does it up. And then the patient wakes up and says, oh yeah, I saw you spilled this shit on your shirt. You know, like there's a lot of evidence of consciousness like operating separate from the brain.

2:05:04Joe Rogan:And I had the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Trussell about the idea that the brain is not a generator. It's not a transmitter. It's an antenna. Yeah, it's an antenna.

2:05:20Steve-O:Yeah. You know, and that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, about the soul.

2:05:25Joe Rogan:I was saying to Duncan Trussell, imagine that we're more of a radio, like an antenna. You can take a radio and with a sledgehammer just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal. So that signal can now tune in, be picked up by another radio. And that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level. And Duncan Trussell hears that. He goes, yeah. And you got so many fucking people walking around. They don't realize they're a radio. They think they're the fucking Beatles.

2:06:07Steve-O:That's hilarious. Duncan's so funny. He's so good. He's such a unique human.

2:06:14Joe Rogan:Yeah. And so all of this stuff is like super fascinating to me.

2:06:18Steve-O:It is interesting, but there's no answers. So it's like there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long time have believed in reincarnation, afterlife, that there's some sort of disembodied consciousness. There's a reason.

2:06:36Joe Rogan:Consciousness. But then it gets really weird.

2:06:37Steve-O:It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those things? And built the pyramids. What are those things? What's that about?

2:06:47Joe Rogan:Who are those people? How about near-death experiences?

2:06:50Steve-O:Well, near-death experiences you could attribute to a lot of things, right? One of the things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress. And one of the big ones is dimethyltryptamine, which we know your body makes. And there's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway and that what you're doing is getting a peek into the afterlife. that when you are having these DMT experiences and that when you're having a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world.

2:07:27Joe Rogan:Okay.

2:07:29Steve-O:It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel and a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this, it's a journey. And what is, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience. I don't know what it's like.

2:07:41Joe Rogan:You know who had one? Jeremy Renner.

2:07:43Steve-O:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:07:45Joe Rogan:with the snowmobile accident. I'm so fascinated by near-death experience videos on YouTube. You've got thousands of people who have had the experience of dying, been on the other side, and they describe what's called life review. There's the saying that everybody's familiar with, that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like as you know a spirit like somehow the concept of time is like doesn't apply anymore so you've got like it's not like that your life flashes before your eyes because time isn't like there's no time constraint so you've got like you know unfathomable like immersion you know without time And that it's not that you're experiencing your life as you experienced it, but rather they describe experiencing your life in the most, I guess, important, memorable moments from the perspective of the people who you influenced, the people who you had an impact on.

2:08:57Joe Rogan:And it's not just from their perspective, but in this near-death experience life review, the way that they describe it, you are those people. You know, it's like, and every, you know, all the scriptures, all the spirituality, like there's this idea that separation is an illusion. That at the end of the day, that there's only oneness. We're all one thing. We're all eyes in the same head. You know, we're all the same thing wearing different costumes.

2:09:28Steve-O:Right. So that begs the question, like, why are we separate? Like, what's the purpose for experience?

2:09:34Joe Rogan:Like, as I understand it, the way that, you know, what I've bought on to is that the universe, you know, everything, you know, like God. In the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to relate to. And so God in the absolute sense is kind of a – it's pure love. It's this pure awesome – but it's very lonely proposition. So the idea of the separation is the universe, God blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now we have the separation. So now we can relate to anything. This allows for God to experience itself, which you would never be able to do.

2:10:33Joe Rogan:You would never be able to have up and down or anything. anything. And so it's like the whole point is for experience. Right, but what's the benefit of

2:10:42Steve-O:experience for God? To

2:10:46Joe Rogan:know itself.

2:10:47Steve-O:So this is in regards only to human beings or to all animals?

2:10:52Joe Rogan:Different like the souls and I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude. Like particularly recently I did this whole audio book a modern English version of a book that was published in 1857 by a French dude named Alan Kardec. It's called The Spirits Book. And you've got all these mediums that he's communicating with and putting together this definitive book on spiritism.

2:11:27Steve-O:Right.

2:11:27Joe Rogan:And the way that that book describes it is that animals have souls, but not souls with moral implications of the growth. The purpose of our separation and the purpose of our experience is to have free will, to have the choice to do good or bad or whatever. but to evolve as a soul where you evolve towards being loving and you know where was he getting this from from mediums from me so the spirit world was telling him this yeah and like crazy like like a lot of like the problem with mediums is

2:12:19Steve-O:the problem was same problem that you have with trans people using the bathroom Some are legit.

2:12:24Joe Rogan:Sure.

2:12:25Steve-O:And some of them are just not. Right, right, right. Of course. That's the issue with anybody saying that they know exactly why – what is the difference between the way animals think and behave and humans think and behave? Well, I think with animals, there's – they're in the wild. They need survival.

2:12:45Joe Rogan:Survival, you know, where like humans have kind of a higher level of like a higher bar to meet because we have like more – there's more moral implications to the way we conduct our lives.

2:12:57Steve-O:Yeah. Well, we've also figured out shelter, right? So we're a little bit – we have doors. So we're not – we're separated from the wild world, which has allowed us to have a lot more time to innovate and think. It might be correct. I think that – It's just interesting. It's very interesting. The problem is people, they buy in to things as being absolute truth, and especially things that are exciting, like spiritual mediums and spirits and channeling and all that shit.

2:13:30Joe Rogan:I think that with the near-death experience, all these thousands of people have had the accounts. There's a society of near-death experiencers, official. like whatever you know.

2:13:44Steve-O:I wonder if any frauds slip in there with a fake story of almost dying. I don't doubt it. I bet they do. I don't doubt it.

2:13:49Joe Rogan:But the consistency across all of these accounts, it's like, it kind of like lends legitimacy to me.

2:13:57Steve-O:Well, that's the case with the alien abduction experience as well. That's another weird one. It's like I want to dismiss it out. You know, I haven't had it, so I'm like, ah, fuck these people. It's not real. But man, it gets weird. It gets real, especially when you go, you read like Jacques Vallée's work and you realize this stuff has been going on in the 1700s, 1800s. They just had a different way of talking about it because they didn't have the idea that a physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal. To them, that was alien. Right. It didn't make, I mean, for lack of a better word, but so they didn't describe it that way, but they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waking up.

2:14:38Steve-O:Sucked up in a light. Yeah, things like that. It's like there's so many of those stories. And then the actual stories of people that have been supposedly abducted that have these stories of these encounters. They're oddly similar regardless of where they live in the world, which is real weird. Right. And it's one of those things. It's like if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't be able to describe it. Sure. And if you wouldn't believe – and if it did happen to you, you'd be like, how am I even going to tell anybody about this? Right. Because no one else has this experience, so this is going to be a crazy thing that I'm going to talk about.

2:15:12Steve-O:Everyone's going to think I'm a kook.

2:15:13Joe Rogan:That's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently. Sure. So now, like, with the way that people describe the life review, you know, and they describe, like, things where they said something nasty and, you know, whatever. They did something, like, you know, hurtful. And in their life review, they are the person. and they feel that sorrow and they come back with such remorse, heightened compassion, less interest in material things. And I just think to myself, oh my god, in my life, when I was such a fucking nightmare with drugs and sex and all the fucking crazy...

2:16:01Joe Rogan:I created a lot of wreckage. I think I was harmful and hurtful. I've been better. But even coming up, I'm almost 18 years clean and sober. Even in those 18 years, I've had a bad temper, whatever, overly.

2:16:19Steve-O:You're a human being, man.

2:16:20Joe Rogan:Right. The trajectory of my life, I believe, has been much upward improvement, which I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about these accounts, when people are describing the life review, I think, oh, my God, I got to –

2:16:35Steve-O:You're worried about a comment section in heaven. That's literally what you're sitting here tweaking out about.

2:16:41Joe Rogan:A little bit. Yeah. Like a little bit. Like I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity, like a big gigantic opportunity to stack the good and, you know, like just be more – Well, that's good. So I'll just go around.

2:16:56Steve-O:Look, anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is good. Yeah. That's great. If that's how you have to do it.

2:17:01Joe Rogan:Yeah, I'll keep like a big fucking wad of cash in my pocket so I can just give 20 bucks to every Uber driver, every homeless person. And I think like maybe that's just selfishly I want to have a better life review.

2:17:19Steve-O:Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life review makes you be a nicer person, then it's worth it.

2:17:24Joe Rogan:100%. Yeah, that's all. And I care about that so much. Okay. Yeah.

2:17:28Steve-O:So you're in your own head a lot, huh?

2:17:30Joe Rogan:Yeah, it's pretty normal.

2:17:32Steve-O:Do you have anything else you do that wears you out? Do you do anything physical? Do you do hard workouts that drain you of anxiety?

2:17:39Joe Rogan:I do yoga every day for 30 minutes. Oh, that's good. And I got the perfect push-ups.

2:17:48Steve-O:You ever do those? Sure.

2:17:49Joe Rogan:I just got this killer strength machine at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months. Yeah.

2:17:57Steve-O:For a lot of people, that's a relief from anxieties, like hard workouts. Yeah. Because, look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct and you become better. But after a while, you can't be thinking about it all the fucking time because then what you're doing, you're addicted to self-analysis. Right. And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self-analysis. Yeah. There's a lot of people that love going to therapy so they can talk about themselves and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you and some of that is very beneficial because you could develop tools that could help you manage your life.

2:18:33Steve-O:But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's all about them for an hour. And this is a problem with self-analysis and living in your own head. You've got to get outside of your head. This is the benefit of psychedelics. They get you outside your head. and living in that whole what does everybody think about me? Let me check. Oh, what do I do? Oh, my bad guy. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Right. Not good for you, man. And it's not productive. It doesn't allow you to do the things that you want to do in life efficiently and effectively. Whoa. What does it say to you?

2:19:13Steve-O:Serious listening in? Why do you have that thing? Get rid of those fucking watches. Those are ridiculous. Watch should tell you the fucking time. That's it. It should be reading emails, too. You have a phone. Stop. Stop with all this shit that you carry around with you. It's all right. I feel like you're seeing right through me, Joe. Like I do.

2:19:32Joe Rogan:My head is very fucking mean to me.

2:19:36Steve-O:Well, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with. You know, if you're around other people that think more along the lines of, look, you got to have radical self-forgiveness for your past. You got to let it go. You're not a loser from you're not the guy who got stuffed into a locker in high school. OK, you got to let that go. And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school that they will go to high school as a fucking grown man with children and they will get anxiety and panic in that same high school because they still associate themselves with who they were back then.

2:20:08Steve-O:And, you know, at a certain point in time, you have to you have to move on. You know, you have to let it go.

2:20:13Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:20:14Steve-O:And, you know, it's good to recognize your flaws and want to improve upon them up to a point. And then you've got to concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing and just doing a good job at everything that you do. And one of the things that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head.

2:20:34Joe Rogan:Right.

2:20:34Steve-O:It can get in the way.

2:20:36Joe Rogan:Yeah. You know, I got this – I moved out to Tennessee. I got this big property.

2:20:42Steve-O:You're out in Nashville?

2:20:43Joe Rogan:45 minutes north of Nashville. Okay.

2:20:46Steve-O:So you're out in the woods.

2:20:47Joe Rogan:I'm out in the woods. Yeah. All of the fancy –

2:20:50Steve-O:Do you ever hear a yeehaw in the middle of the night and get worried, hear shotguns in the distance?

2:20:55Joe Rogan:No, but I've got these great neighbors, man.

2:20:58Steve-O:You get lucky.

2:21:00Joe Rogan:My neighbors are so awesome, man. That's cool. I got the place in September 2023, so I've been out.

2:21:06Steve-O:How did you choose that area?

2:21:09Joe Rogan:You know what it was? like I got the I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in LA that their homeowners policy wouldn't be renewed because of the risk of fires and I was like dude I live in the Hollywood Hills like mine it's just a fucking exercise and waiting for my house to burn down like I've got this fucking house is uninsurable you know and like I was like I don't want to be waiting for my house to burn down. And I wanted to have a bunch of land so I can open up an animal sanctuary. You know, that's my deal.

2:21:45Steve-O:Oh, that's cool.

2:21:46Joe Rogan:Yeah, so I knew that I wanted to get a place outside of California. And it was supposed to be Corey St. Hagen against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee. And I was like, oh, my fuck.

2:22:02Steve-O:They're in different weight classes.

2:22:04Joe Rogan:Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. Okay, yeah. not Islam. Umar?

2:22:08Steve-O:Umar in America? Umar.

2:22:09Joe Rogan:Yeah, Umar. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, good catch. It was supposed to be Umar. I was like, oh my god, I gotta be there. Fucking so excited. It ended up being Corey St. Hagen against Rob Font. Because Umar backed out somehow or other.

2:22:25Steve-O:Probably got injured.

2:22:26Joe Rogan:Yeah, yeah. So, I'm like, alright, we're fucking going out to... I decided that I'm gonna go look at properties in Tennessee just for a weekend, and the only motivation was to go for the fights. Oh. Because I fucking love the UFC, man. Oh, that's awesome. I love the UFC. So I went out there. Good one this weekend coming out.

2:22:48Steve-O:Yeah, right, the BMF. Yeah, that should be exciting. Max Holloway versus Charles Oliveira. That is a great fight.

2:22:55Joe Rogan:And do the whole fucking card. Uh-huh. And all the way down the prelims. Like, get the fuck out of here. Some of the names on the prelims. Super solid card. Yeah, so I looked at properties. we went down like an all around and when i got to this one 44 acres house with the fucking uh additional dwelling unit like apartment on the garage like and this trail that goes through the woods in a perfect one mile loop they drove us around that trail i was like i got it oh that's awesome i'm like this place like they can get me for work because i have to have it you know like

2:23:32Steve-O:they're just gonna well it's good for a guy like you like that's probably a great thing to have too is just get some peace so when i when i got out there i was like oh my god i'm not like chewing

2:23:41Joe Rogan:on my lip i'm not like i can i can i can breathe now the problem is that i'm not there very much because i'm always fucking touring and working and chasing and listen that's the touring and

2:23:52Steve-O:working is a gift you know yeah the ability to do that it's way better than wishing you could be touring and working right you know that's how that's how it was when when I started doing

2:24:03Joe Rogan:comedy so I got sober in 2008 right up to that I was 33 and up to that point I never thought I was gonna fucking make it to there you know like I was just like it's your chaos yeah I was like literally just never even imagined like I wasn't worried about saving money I wasn't worried about Like it was just like, I'm gonna be dead. Right. And then all of a sudden I got clean and sober. And it's like, wow, now I'm ceasing to like actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm gonna be alive for decades to come. Right. And like, holy shit, like 2008, like whatever I had saved at that time was just, you know, like, and I'm like, how am I gonna fucking eat?

2:24:51Joe Rogan:if I'm only like less than halfway through my life I've burned every bridge in my career and you know they're telling me that if I want to like be uh you know clean and sober and have any kind of a good life I've got to deflate my ego I've got to practice spiritual principles how the fuck am I supposed to be Steve-O with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path I didn't know if I I didn't continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm like, how am I going to eat? You know, like my savings just got blasted. And I started doing comedy. Going to the laugh factory, like, they'd give you like 20 bucks.

2:25:31Joe Rogan:You know, like sign here and they'd give you like 20 bucks. And then like when the Jackass 3D came out, I went on the Howard Stern show. And I'm like, Howard, I've been in the comedy club every night. I'm having a blast. And just by saying that on Howard Stern my lawyer called me up like in the next week or something He says I've got comedy clubs all over the country calling trying to book you like what's this about? And they're offering like all this money I'm like wait you can make what you can make that much money like going to a fucking comedy club for a weekend Like holy shit. I'm like I got to fucking figure out how I'm gonna eat for the next You know 50 years maybe so I just fucking started grinding

2:26:11Steve-O:Yeah, we've talked about this. Yeah. It's, you know, I think that anybody who wants to do comedy should do comedy. And there's a weird thing that happens with comedy where it's like there's a lot of gatekeepers. Like, oh, what is he doing doing comedy? Right. Which I think is gross. But, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you found something else. But it's just being yourself, you know. For sure. You could still be on a spiritual path and still do anything. Oh, 100%. I figured that out. I figured that out completely.

2:26:37Joe Rogan:And I think that the point being that in 2011, like, Jesus, man. Like, I'd have been, you know, 52 weeks of the year. Like, no way that I wasn't, like, full-on fucking engagement for, like, 45 weeks of that year. That's awesome. Yeah, and just by doing it that much, like, the repetition, it's like, oh, okay, now, like, I'm developing a craft.

2:27:05Steve-O:Yeah, if you care about it. If you care about it and you get into it, you get better at it. Dude, I care so much. But it's harder for a guy like you that's already famous to start out because, you know, some people, they're already famous. Like I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that, and it was like the ballsiest thing ever. Like Charlie was famous for being on the Chappelle Show and then starting out doing comedy. When I went on the road with him, I think he had only been doing comedy like two years at the time. I'm like, man, this is such a ballsy thing to do. because there's so many expectations of you.

2:27:38Steve-O:A, you're Eddie Murphy's brother, which is nuts. So you're a brother, one of the greatest of all time. And then on top of that, you're already famous from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time, and you're a beginner, which is wild. You know?

2:27:52Joe Rogan:Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse because you can sell tickets because people know you. They want to see you. Yeah. But you're a—

2:27:59Steve-O:A lot of guys, they get together with other people that can help them formulate an act, Maybe help them write, help them piece together. Maybe if they're not even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts and put together some – like if you're smart, that's the way to do it. Like hire some people that can help you.

2:28:16Joe Rogan:I've never been able to have people write for me.

2:28:18Steve-O:It's not necessary. You don't have to, but it's a good idea for like – you're a little bit different than a traditional stand-up comic though. You have stand-up comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff and stunts and silly things. for people that just, like, Charlie was just doing comedy. Right.

2:28:35Joe Rogan:I started out doing that. I would do, like, a set of stand-up, and then I would have, like, a set of sort of repeatable stunts and tricks at the end.

2:28:44Steve-O:Right. So this is not, like, laugh factor when you're one of the people on the lineup. Right, right, right. This is when you're doing your own shows. Right. Yeah.

2:28:51Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's how the tour began. Oh, that's awesome, man. But, yeah, dude, I'm just fucking stoked. You're in a good place.

2:28:57Steve-O:You just got to get out of your own head.

2:28:58Joe Rogan:Yeah, my head terrorizes me a lot.

2:29:00Steve-O:Yeah. You got to get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head.

2:29:06Joe Rogan:Right.

2:29:06Steve-O:You know, because that shit's contagious. Just like being a loser is contagious. Like if you're around people that are losers, like that shit can rub off on you. Right. People that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, then you're wrapped up in their shit. And you're not only not progressing, you're regressing because you're like constantly with this guy who's like fucking his life up all the time. Right. You know, some people have to cut ties. just try to surround yourself with uh people from your yoga class like go to go to a solid yoga class and find solid people like just that is one of like be the type of person that solid people want to be around but also find those people too right and both of those things will benefit you because if you're in your own head you're around other people that are like worried about their career too and they're in their own head and they're freaking out about their comments and You're freaking out about your comments like, geez.

2:30:00Joe Rogan:Right.

2:30:00Steve-O:Stop. This is not good for anybody.

2:30:03Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. And it's helpful, too, to look at the facts, you know, like whatever I've been through, whatever.

2:30:12Steve-O:But even that is thinking about yourself too much. Think about your stuff. Think about what you're doing. Don't think about, like, I've accomplished so much, and this is why I don't have to worry. Like, eh. That don't – you don't get any – there's no gas in that. Right, right, right.

2:30:26Joe Rogan:I don't know that that's what I meant, but like what I've been going through over the last few weeks I was telling you about Didn't change the fact that like our jackass movies fucking full bore full force

2:30:37Steve-O:There you go doesn't change the fact you have a dick on your forehead Doesn't change that

2:30:41Joe Rogan:Yeah, like nobody has nobody who matters to me has voiced any concern about any

2:30:49Steve-O:That's all that matters then. It's the people that are close to you that really matter It's just like – you're just a little too in your own head, bro. I hope this helped.

2:30:57Joe Rogan:You know, I really fucking did.

2:31:00Steve-O:You're a good dude, man. You shouldn't be worried.

2:31:03Joe Rogan:I care. I care a lot. I know you do.

2:31:05Steve-O:But it's – the reason why you care is because you're a good dude. But your brain can hijack you. Yeah. You know, your thoughts can run away with you. I mean, we've all had it happen before. Right. You get a thought, it runs away with you, and then you've got to bring it back. But you got to get better at corralling that bitch. You know? It's like being a dog trainer. You can't have your dog shitting all over your house and chewing up your furniture. You'll go, hey, hey, stop. Doesn't mean you don't love your dog. It's like you don't want him shitting on your couch. Tell him not to do that. Be a good dog trainer.

2:31:39Steve-O:Be a good Stevo trainer. Don't let Stevo's brain run away from him and piss on the TV. That's crazy. You know what I mean? Same kind of thing. You got to train yourself.

2:31:51Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:31:51Steve-O:Yeah.

2:31:51Joe Rogan:I think that that's perfectly fair, man. And I'm super grateful for you, brother.

2:31:56Steve-O:I'm grateful for you, too. Like I said, I just hate seeing you in your own head because you're a great guy. You're fun to be around. You're always very thoughtful and very friendly. And don't worry about it, man. It's going to be all right. Well, thank you, dude. And then you're going to come back as a butterfly or some shit. Right. Maybe you'll come back as a World War II pilot. Maybe you go back in time. That would be wild. You have memories of the future.

2:32:18Joe Rogan:I haven't heard about that.

2:32:20Steve-O:That's because it's is if reincarnation is if time's not linear if time exists all at once like maybe Reincarnation is not linear either. Maybe there's people that die and then they have messages from the future

2:32:33Joe Rogan:You know, I mean imagine you're in the trenches of World War one.

2:32:37Steve-O:You're like are you fucking kidding me? I used to have an iPhone. I had a watch that was my dad was calling me on it, right? This is so stupid now. I'm worried about getting eaten by wolves in this fucking trench, right?

2:32:47Joe Rogan:I mean the the idea of quantum physics, quantum mechanics. Entanglement. All possible realities all exist all in one moment.

2:33:00Steve-O:Allegedly. I don't understand it. I've tried.

2:33:04Joe Rogan:Right. How's Marshall?

2:33:06Steve-O:He's great. He's great. How old is Marshall now? He's nine.

2:33:09Joe Rogan:Wow.

2:33:10Steve-O:Yeah. It makes me sad that I worry that he's only going to live for a few more years. Right. That's what's spooky. Goldens, when they eat well and they're well fed, they could live like 15, 16 years. I just got to take care of them. It's just like thinking about him not being around. It's like it's really hard. We were playing today. I'd take him in the yard, throw the ball with him, and we're hanging out and cuddling. And I just can't imagine a life where that dog's not around. He's just a big love sponge. He loves everybody. Everybody that comes over to the house, the first thing he does, he runs up to you, he wags his tail, he rubs up against you, and then he lies down because he knows you want to pet his belly.

2:33:49Steve-O:He's like, come on, you know you want to pet me. He's just so used to being touched by everybody. That's his existence is just love.

2:33:58Joe Rogan:I was in Peru in 2017 with Chuck Liddell. We were doing this. You found that dog? Yeah.

2:34:06Steve-O:Yeah.

2:34:07Joe Rogan:Yeah. I still have Wendy. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. She's at this point like 11.

2:34:15Steve-O:Wow.

2:34:15Joe Rogan:And yeah, it's like dogs.

2:34:18Steve-O:It's so sad. They don't live long enough.

2:34:21Joe Rogan:I know you know, but did since Wendy's now retired Living on my ranch in Tennessee. That's cool. And she has become the gnarliest country girl Like she'll just go out on the on the property and come back with like a fucking gnarly deer leg

2:34:38Steve-O:She found the woods and she just sits there. That's normal. That's dog behavior

2:34:44Joe Rogan:And I've got this ranch cat that I'm pretty sure, like, he goes out there and, like, hunts squirrels or whatever. He probably kills everything.

2:34:52Steve-O:Probably kills a lot of birds.

2:34:53Joe Rogan:And then he brings him to Wendy. Because I was trying to figure out, why is Wendy getting so fucking fat? I'm, like, telling my ranch hand, I'm, like, dude, we got to, like, not feed Wendy so much. She's, like, kind of fucking getting fat. So he's, like, dude, I've been, like, feeding her less. But she just seems to still be getting fucking fat. And we find her, like, she cruises up with, like, just some big-ass rodent.

2:35:14Steve-O:and i and she's gonna kiss you and she's just hold breaths just crunching it i watched her

2:35:21Joe Rogan:house a whole fucking squirrel to the face and she swallowed the whole fucking thing and i know that she's her old fat ass wasn't fast enough to catch a squirrel the only way is it's

2:35:34Steve-O:got to be the cats killing it so the cat killed the squirrel and it's like hey friend i got something for you because cats just want to kill yeah they kill so much man wild if you let a cat go wild you basically you want to do harm let a cat go loose that that'll kill thousands and thousands of things i saw a cat the other day on a ranch it was really wild i i turned a corner and i saw it right as this cat pounced so this cat was in the grass and it was doing that thing where their back goes up and their butt starts wiggling and just flew through the air and landed i'm like how happy is this fucking cat living out here.

2:36:11Steve-O:Like, just being able to jack all these poor little unsuspecting animals all day long. That's what they want to do, man.

2:36:18Joe Rogan:The guy I bought the property from, he said, you will never see a fucking mouse, a fucking rat. He's like, this cat, because we inherited the cat Rocky.

2:36:26Steve-O:Oh, that's cool.

2:36:27Joe Rogan:He's like, this cat takes his job fucking seriously.

2:36:30Steve-O:It's way better than having mice around, that's for sure. But they are mass murderers.

2:36:35Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:36:35Steve-O:Do you know that house cats, wild house cats, feral cats kill billions of mammals every year just in America? Billions.

2:36:45Joe Rogan:Feral house cats. Wild cats. Right, right, right, right.

2:36:48Steve-O:Cats that get left outside.

2:36:50Joe Rogan:Regular old cats.

2:36:51Steve-O:Regular cats. Not like cougars.

2:36:52Joe Rogan:And they kill billions of—

2:36:54Steve-O:Billions of birds and mammals. B-I. Billions. Billions. Yeah. They are so good at it. They love to do it. I used to have this like fluffy, she was like, I forget what they're called, the kind of catch it was, but she was just a ball fluff. Like she would just purr when you pet her and like, that little bitch was a murderer. They let her outside and she'd have a bird. I'm like, this is crazy. She'd jump up and snag a bird out of the air. I'm like, and she would sit by the window and she'd see a squirrel outside and her teeth would start chattering. She just couldn't wait to bite it. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

2:37:31Steve-O:They make these weird noises staring at birds and squirrels. Like, it's just in them, man.

2:37:37Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:37:37Steve-O:They're little killing machines.

2:37:39Joe Rogan:Yep. I got, uh, fucking, I got, I'm going to have so many fucking animals. That's awesome. At this point, it's pigs and goats and cats and dogs.

2:37:48Steve-O:That's dope, dude. That sounds like a great life. And a great balance to the chaos that you had when you were younger. And also a great balance to touring, right? Right. You're touring in all these cities.

2:37:58Joe Rogan:You come back home and tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. Oh, dude, I love it so much, man. And it's all set up. It's an official 501c3 nonprofit animal sanctuary.

2:38:10Steve-O:Oh, so you can take in animals. Like if someone has a dog that's been abandoned or a goat that they can't take care of anymore. Oh, that's cool.

2:38:18Joe Rogan:Yep. That sounds really cool, man. It's called the Radical Ranch.

2:38:22Steve-O:Yeah.

2:38:23Joe Rogan:And the website's radicalranch.org.

2:38:26Steve-O:Oh, you have a website?

2:38:27Joe Rogan:Just went live like last month. Oh, cool. Like in January it went live. So, yeah, like people can fucking donate or whatever. See all the animals on there. It's pretty rad.

2:38:39Steve-O:That's dope, brother.

2:38:41Joe Rogan:There it is. There it is.

2:38:43Steve-O:Radical Ranch.

2:38:43Joe Rogan:There's Wendy. Aw, look at all those little animals having a good time. Believe it or not, that's Photoshop. Is it? You're not getting all those animals in one. That's Photoshop? Yeah.

2:38:54Steve-O:Oh, okay. That's deceptive. How dare you?

2:38:56Joe Rogan:Well, I mean, I wanted to.

2:38:58Steve-O:I thought you were having a party, just like a Disney movie.

2:39:00Joe Rogan:I wanted to have all the animals in one shot.

2:39:04Steve-O:That actually makes sense. Otherwise, I was like, why didn't that dog chase those goats? Why is the goat dealing with the dog being right there?

2:39:10Joe Rogan:Right.

2:39:11Steve-O:All right, brother. Well, I appreciate you very much. Dude, likewise, man. It's always good to talk to you.

2:39:16Joe Rogan:Yeah. I try to be pretty sparing if I'm going to hit you up. I try to make sure that it. Don't worry about it, man. Just be you.

2:39:25Steve-O:Don't worry about it.

2:39:26Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:39:26Steve-O:It's all going to be fun.

2:39:28Joe Rogan:I appreciate you so much. I appreciate you too, brother.

2:39:30Steve-O:This was fucking important for me. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.