#2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

13:58Joe Rogan:But if you think about it, doesn't that make sense?

14:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That makes so much sense. They probably like shared land and crops and like.

14:05Joe Rogan:Well, there was no real. There were no borders. No, back then. I mean, what were countries in the 1500s in North America? Like what was, we don't even know. Like what was North America like?

14:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, I think about how young America is technically.

14:19Joe Rogan:Super young.

14:20Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like how many years? 300 years? 400 years?

14:22Joe Rogan:Yeah, less than 300 years. Yeah.

14:25Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And like you were talking about history in India, she has been invaded over thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Only invaded. We've never invaded anybody else. She's not had the time. India's like, just gave me a break. Like, yeah, the Portuguese, the British, the Mughals, like from back in time. And the history of India, I mean, I'm not a historian and I don't claim to be, but I find it really fascinating. I love culture and especially the culture of India. Like, you will see my grandmother was Catholic because she comes, she was raised in a part of India which was colonized. And a lot of people with Kerala, a lot of people were converted into Catholicism.

15:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:and she grew up Catholic and you know she she followed it for a very long time in her life India is like hyper diverse because of how many people have kind of made it her roots so when you go to India the amount of diversity you will see the kind of the range of people that you will meet is impossible to fathom like an Indian face does not look like a particular person or the amount of cultures, the languages. We have written and spoken languages, which are almost like 20-something or in their 30s. Absolutely different alphabet, absolutely different sound. I can't, if I go to another state, I won't be able to understand what people are saying.

15:52Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Wow. It's amazing.

15:55Joe Rogan:How many different languages are spoken there?

15:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:About 28 to 30, but there are dialects in there, hundreds. Oh, wow. Don't even get into the dialects. I just speak English and Hindi, understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi, but it's really amazing. Have you ever been, by the way?

16:15Joe Rogan:No, I haven't.

16:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, Joe, you have to. You would really, like, you're the kind of guy who likes a deep dive.

16:20Joe Rogan:Yeah.

16:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You would really lose yourself, I think, in an amazing way.

16:24Joe Rogan:Well, I want to go just to see, for many things, but just to see that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone.

16:33Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, yeah.

16:33Joe Rogan:It's one of the great mysteries of archaeology.

16:35Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But there are quite a few if you go, especially south of India and the caves, if you go inside the Andaman and Nicobar, like the caves, you'll see from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago, illustrations that you're like, how did this happen? How could this temple have been chiseled or how could, you know, these stones have been moved at that time? Right. It made me very, very curious about what kind of tools did we have back then?

17:07Joe Rogan:Well, there's a lot of holes in human history. Yeah, for sure. Graham Hancock has a great quote. He says that we are a species with amnesia. And I think that's accurate. And I think when you find some of the great archaeological wonders where people just have decided, oh, they built it this way and then just let it go. And then other people start looking at it and go, wait a minute. How? How did they do this? Like, when did they do this? Like, what's the what's the historical record of this? Because this is kind of nuts. This seems to indicate like a very advanced, sophisticated society.

17:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, a very advanced civilization. Like one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus Valley civilization, which is the north of India. Yeah. And I just remember studying about it in school, and that's my maximum understanding of that civilization, but also like having visited the Indus River, I guess. But I remember like the artifacts that were found and like if you do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then how it was erased. and you know it makes you question like it's there had to be some seriously advanced like scientific um understanding that was eventually lost as you know as human evolution happened where we lose a civilization and then comes back again but it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would have had to be to do all of that 100 without the technology and stuff that we have.

18:47Joe Rogan:I mean, I think they had technology. I think they had a different technology. I think so too. I think they had to. It's almost time for spring break. So maybe you're headed to the beach or maybe you're taking the kids on a road trip or maybe you're just taking some extra time for yourself. No matter what, you deserve a break and a reset and AG1 can help. AG1 is your daily health drink. Just one scoop combines your multivitamin, pre and probiotics, superfoods and antioxidants to help support a healthy immune system and digestion. Plus, it travels really well, so you can start working it into your routine, even when you don't have a routine.

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20:07Joe Rogan:Khaleesa temple. This is it. This is crazy.

20:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:This is what I meant.

20:12Joe Rogan:Because the precision, first of all, there's no understanding of where the stone went. They moved, who knows how many.

20:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And how did you take out all of those tons of rocks?

20:24Joe Rogan:Yes. It's so insane. The precision is spectacular. It's so nuts when you see videos of people going through it. How huge is that? Immense. absolutely immense and incredibly precise and and just carved out of a solid piece of stone

20:45Priyanka Chopra Jonas:the whole thing is carved out of the mountain think about how old that is like this is all bc before christ like thousands and thousands of years yeah bc and the history of india like hence the diversity you see it's it's a it's one of the oldest civilizations in the world and then And like, how do you explain that? Look at that image.

21:07Joe Rogan:So it says it's 12. What does it say? How old did it say it was? 1200. How do they know that? I can't be right. 1200 years old. See, there's a lot of just estimates based on what was the civilization at the time. Yeah. And there's no like this is the thing with Peru, like Sacsayhuaman and a lot of these places were attributed to the Incas. But you see like traditional Inca structures on top of these immense stones that are 100 tons. They're carved in these weird jigsaw patterns as to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake. Like it's weird shit. And it's like, okay, well, who did that? So like, oh, the Incas did it.

21:46Joe Rogan:Like how? How did they do that? Because all their other structures are smaller stones stacked on top of each other in a way like you could see a person carrying them and cutting them. Makes sense. but there's a lot of stuff like that temple like explain to me yeah what you used there's no explanation like how like just metal you just use metal and carve that out like that and like

22:06Priyanka Chopra Jonas:just a chisel and human and if you fuck up once it's over because you're not putting things on

22:12Joe Rogan:top of things like oh this block sucks let's get a new block no you're carving change the design

22:17Priyanka Chopra Jonas:if there's a fuck up like you know what i mean if you're trying to build like a human form and you chisel off the nose do you turn it into something else? I don't know, probably, otherwise because it's just one piece and you're right, you're not adding anything to it

22:33Joe Rogan:Well in Egypt there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces because they cracked because when you're dealing with you know, granite and there's certain specifically there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving out, I mean I think it was like 1300 tons, like something bananas like okay how are you gonna move this fucking thing but they got to a certain point where there's a crack in it and so they had to abandon it and so it's still there yeah still i think that's in

23:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:it might be in aswan i'm not sure where it is but you know like you know the theories around the um egyptian pyramids obviously like how were those blocks carried up there's no valid theory How was it in that shape and so precisely geometrically, you know?

23:21Joe Rogan:Well, it's even more complicated now because there's an Italian scientist that we had on recently called Filippo Biondi. Am I saying it right? Biondi? He's amazing accent, this guy. He's fucking incredible. But he's using, what is it, radio Doppler tomography. So it's a type of satellite imagery that uses some technology to get a vision of what's under the ground. And they've used this successfully to show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids. And they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2-kilometer mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have an exact dimension of the particle collider and see the outlet.

24:10Joe Rogan:So they used this on the pyramids, and they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into the ground with massive, these huge 20-meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them. No one knows what the hell they're looking at, but they're in very precise positions. They've done over 200 scans of these things. They don't know what they are. They don't know what's the purpose of all this, who made this. So this turns out to be accurate. And they're very confident that it's accurate. And they're starting to look into it deeper. And they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and explore with drones or something.

24:59Joe Rogan:Then the whole thing gets thrown into question because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able to cut in place. 2 ,300 ,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west. Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons.

25:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Tons, which is insane.

25:17Joe Rogan:They come from 500 miles away through the mountains, no roads. Like, how'd you do it? That's crazy. That's crazy in itself. But if there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the ground, and there's a giant, like, huge square at the bottom, they don't know what it is. But these are structures. They're not like something that is just a naturally occurring stone. Yeah, it was man-made. Show her an image of it. It's fucking kooky.

25:44Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So what? Is that like how?

25:45Joe Rogan:These are these columns. This is like what the images are showing and the three-dimensional replication of what they think is, that's what they think it looks like underneath there. They have no idea what these things are. What? There's also, is that Hawara that has that underground labyrinth? And they've also found these – Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great channel on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben Van Kirkwijk who's been on the podcast before. He's great. And they've used radio – well, they used ground-penetrating radar in that location. They found that these immense labyrinths are real.

26:28Joe Rogan:They're there. They're huge. Herodotus said it's greater than Giza and it's underground. and in the center of one of these atriums, there is a 40-meter metallic object that's shaped like a Tic Tac. It's in the center of this. Yes. So there's a bunch of shit that they can't explain down there where you're like, okay, what is this? They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like later versions of it, took from some of the older sites and started building new things or built on top of them, like very disrespectfully, but nobody had an idea of like the importance of history back then. You're just trying to stay alive.

27:08Joe Rogan:And so they found all these stones. Let's use these stones. Oh my gosh, totally.

27:12Priyanka Chopra Jonas:In India, like when we were colonized, you hear stories of, you know, the British officers telling like little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds, go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever. And you don't have comprehension of what the value of historical things were that there was so much that was taken from India in terms of wealth and history and historical artifacts and the Kohinoor diamond, which is still on the queen's crown, which came from India. And like so many things. The Queen of England? Yeah.

27:49Joe Rogan:She has a diamond on her crown that she stole from her? Pull it up.

27:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Kohinoor diamond. K-O-H-I-N-O.

27:54Joe Rogan:Give it back.

27:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:yeah we've been asking for it for a minute we have

28:02Joe Rogan:well the whole history of England and India is nuts too that's the diamond how big is that sucker how big is that thing

28:10Priyanka Chopra Jonas:how big would that be

28:17Joe Rogan:whoa what is that worth besides the historical value of it which is probably priceless What is 105 carats worth? That's nuts. Imagine walking around with a rock like that in your hand.

28:33Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Woo! I mean, that's what I'm saying. The royalty in India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was pillaged and just taken.

28:42Joe Rogan:Well, the history of India is fascinating. Like in the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vemanas. Have you ever read any of that stuff?

28:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, the Vedas.

28:54Joe Rogan:Not extensively, but clearly you have. The Vimanas, it's like, what are you talking about? You're talking about flying crafts? Yeah. Like, what do you...

29:02Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's the thing. You go, if you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient texts, like the Vimanas, you're saying you have flying objects, you have spears with some sort of energy, You have bows and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light. And there's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology. Like who's to say? But we do definitely believe in Indian mythology. If you go back into Hinduism and and the incredible stories that exist, like I love to think about where the origin, like where it must have come from.

29:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.

29:57Joe Rogan:Yeah, I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then were trying to document a truth. Yeah, for sure. I don't think they were trying to make up stories.

30:07Priyanka Chopra Jonas:No, I think it was definitely their truth. But from our perspective now, we have to be like, how do you break down the truth of, you know, There was this light that arrived from miles and miles away, and it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb? What was it? What was it of that time? So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that. I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and the beginning of time. There's no way to explain what and how that was. We have the information we do from religious texts and historians of the past. But it's just really fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time.

30:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But we kind of just navigated through different worlds, you know.

31:02Joe Rogan:I think, yeah, I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines.

31:06Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And then when possible, think about like how short a human lifespan used to be to where it is now. Our stories have to come from people telling people stories or documenting them.

31:21Joe Rogan:Right, right. And those stories, when you're talking about certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything.

31:37Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

31:38Joe Rogan:So it's like, what were they trying to remember? Like when they're talking about flying Vimanas, like what were they talking about? Like what did they experience? And how long ago was it? Because I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is.

31:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean 17 ,000 B.C. is where or around that time. That's that many years ago is what they say. But again, who knows?

32:05Joe Rogan:Well, that makes sense if you take into account. 20 ,000 B.C. There's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy. And he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth. Wow. He's an expert in all the different times that Earth has been slammed by comets and meteors.

32:24Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Is that how the dinosaurs were? So it was an asteroid.

32:28Joe Rogan:Yeah, they believe so. It was in the Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 million years ago one. But there's other ones that are before that.

32:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Before that. Yeah.

32:37Joe Rogan:And then there's other ones that are after that. And one of the more interesting ones is called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. And that one's from about 11 ,800 years ago. And then again, they think somewhere in the 10 ,000 years that happened. So there's a comet storm that we pass by. I think it's every June and November. I forget what the time is. But this is like also aligns with, do you know about the Tunguska event? Have you ever heard of that? In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land. And it was during the same time period.

33:14Joe Rogan:And they realized, like, there's this comet storm that we pass through. Like when you see meteor showers in the sky, it's because we're passing through these areas of our solar system that have these comets. This is the Tunguska event. So it just and to this day that area has no trees on it.

33:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Whoa.

33:31Joe Rogan:Yeah, so it just Flattened everything and it didn't even impact the ground it blew up in the sky above it And this was not even a big one.

33:43Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So how does like nothing grow again? Like what what is that asteroid made of that you can Like earth has been able to come back from so much.

33:53Joe Rogan:Yeah, it's a good question. It's crazy Maybe it's just not enough time. I don't know. I mean, 117 years, maybe eventually.

34:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It means like a millennia.

34:01Joe Rogan:But it probably just blew the roots off of everything. It blew everything into smithereens. And it probably had some kind of chemical effect, too, because it's a physical object. I don't know what it was made out of. But, you know, some of them are made out of iron. Some of them are made out of nickel. Like that big one that they saw, three-eye atlas that passed through. Yeah, yeah. That was a weird one because they're like, this is a nickel alloy that is as big as the size of Manhattan. And the only way we have it on Earth is industrial manufacturing of an alloy. But this thing in another planet somewhere else, millions and millions and millions of years ago, was formed under whatever weird circumstances and conditions.

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35:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But you, I mean I want to know your thoughts on this But you definitely don't think we're Like the only species Existing in the universe, right?

35:37Joe Rogan:I don't think that's possible

35:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's human arrogance if we think we do

35:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, that seems silly It doesn't make sense There's just too many planets It's a silly thing to think. And they found evidence of life on Mars. So they found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces of bacterial life. And that's, you know, right there.

35:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just within our Milky Way that we, I mean, we haven't even been able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to get information. But there has to be other species that exist and other, like, intelligence and technology.

36:14Joe Rogan:Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?

36:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, I know of him.

36:17Joe Rogan:Fascinating guy. Like a little kooky, but super smart. Like super smart. He's got some wild ideas. One of his ideas, I was like, wait, what? He thinks that life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their sun. And then over time, they get too far out and then life doesn't exist on those planets anymore. But when they're in this Goldilocks zone like Earth is for a long period of time and relative to our life, life exists and then intelligent life emerges and figures out, hey, we got to get out of here eventually because this is not going to sustain us. And then it propagates the world or the universe rather.

37:03Joe Rogan:And he thinks that there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopling. He thinks that when a planet gets further enough from the sun that it eventually peoples because it eventually reaches the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place and natural selection and random mutation, all these things converge. And eventually you get an intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate its environment. Is there any proof of planets moving away from their sun? Well, they all do, slowly. Very slowly.

37:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So even our solar system, we're all slowly...

37:44Joe Rogan:Yeah, and also the sun is eventually going to burn out and explode, and then we're fucked. But that's a long time from now.

37:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:There's enough shit to be worried about.

37:55Joe Rogan:Nothing's permanent. Suns are not... And we're lucky. We have a slow burn sun. So we have a relatively small sun. And there's a lot of weird speculation that it's part of a binary solar system, too, that there might have been another version of our sun that burned out that's, like, way out there, like, way out in space, like, way past Pluto, way out there. I'd buy that. It's possible. I mean, there's a lot of wacky theories as to why there seems to be some large object that's outside of our vision that's way, way past Pluto. So there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto. And that's part of what Pluto is, which is why they decide it's not really a planet anymore.

38:36Joe Rogan:But they think there's something else out there. They call it Planet X. It's a lot of weird speculation whether or not it's real. But they think there might be a large body, larger than Earth, like Jupiter-sized or something, like way out there. And it might be a sun. It might be a burnt-out sun.

38:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like a burnt-out sun that was insane.

38:54Joe Rogan:Which is crazy. Well, Earth alone. The reason why we have the moon, supposedly, is because Earth was hit by another planet. So was the moon part of the Earth? The moon was like a big chunk of that collision that burst off and then became the moon. So there's Earth 1 and Earth 2.

39:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Does that happen with all the planets? Because all the planets that have their own moons are explosions, maybe?

39:19Joe Rogan:That's a good question. I mean, maybe some of them are enormous asteroids that got caught in the gravity. Maybe it's volcanic activity. I don't know. I think a lot of it's asteroid impacts, too. They knock off giant chunks, and those chunks start orbiting that planet.

39:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So does that mean that all of those planets do have a gravitational pull as well? Oh, yeah. They all have a pull.

39:41Joe Rogan:Yeah.

39:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How strong would that gravitational pull be? It depends on the mass of the planet. Like Jupiter, for example. Jupiter is what protects us.

39:50Joe Rogan:The reason why we don't get hit a lot is because Jupiter is so big. So Jupiter has so much mass and so much gravity that it's like our big brother that protects us.

40:01Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Thanks, Jupiter. For real.

40:03Joe Rogan:No, that's great. And they actually observed an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it was in the 1980s where an enormous asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a Earth-sized explosion. Which separated from? No, it just got absorbed. Jupiter just absorbed it. But they watched it in real time. And it was a way bigger explosion than they thought it was going to be. Like, yo. So then they have to, like, recalculate. Like, oh, how big was that thing? And it made a literal impact as large as the Earth.

40:37Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, my God. I have to see that video.

40:39Joe Rogan:Well, the solar system is just a fucking shooting gallery, which brings us back to this Younger Drys impact theory, which is one of the predominant theories as to why ancient, super advanced civilizations completely disappeared and there's no evidence of them. And there's a lot of physical evidence. When they do core samples of the Earth, they find there's a lot of iridium, which is very common in space but very rare on Earth, which indicates some sort of an impact. And then they also find micro diamonds, these nuclear diamonds. I think they call it trinitite. And they first observed this when they did the Trinity explosion.

41:18Joe Rogan:So the nuclear explosion created these micro diamonds on the ground, just a massive impact and explosion, heat and energy. Well, they find those littered all throughout the world in this same core sample timeline of like 11 ,800 years. So they think we were just bombarded. so a lot of these things like these temples in India perhaps the pyramids some structures that

41:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:were stoned probably just survived no for sure there's so much that has survived I think from like a timeline we can't even explain I mean in India we see so much of it so many of our texts the Vedas are you know the oldest texts in the world and to be able to like read stories which now maybe we imagine our stories but are probably reality of a civilization gone by yes is just

42:09Joe Rogan:crazy to think about i think more likely than not yeah and i think more and more over time people are opening up opening up to this possibility like they recently just found written language that is 28 000 years old and that they thought that human written language was created about 6 ,000 years ago and they found evidence of language. I can read about this. So they're like okay, that's a giant difference.

42:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But how can we also know what happened in so many parts of the earth when anyway the earth was moving, right? Like the continents what it looks like right now is not what it probably looked like 20 ,000 years ago. It's been slowly moving. I feel like how are we supposed to know like someone who writes a book say in Mexico like what happened then in Australia or what happened, what was the history in like India, you know what I mean? Right.

43:05Joe Rogan:Especially 1500s, 1600s. Yeah, years ago. When they were writing about stuff back then, they were just making shit up.

43:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So the shit that we read.

43:13Joe Rogan:Human may have used these mysterious symbols to encode information tens of thousands of years before the first writing systems. 40 ,000 year old artifacts.

43:24Yeah.

43:25Joe Rogan:So it's some kind of way of documenting things.

43:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Of communicating.

43:30Joe Rogan:You know, if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, there was some sort of a very, very advanced civilization pre-11 ,800 years ago. And this also coincides with the end of the Ice Age. It coincides with all of the ice caps over North America disappearing. Like North America was covered, like three quarters of North America was covered in like a mile high sheet of ice. Went away like that. That's why the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are just that ice melted. And then whatever was left just ran through the country. And you can see the physical evidence of it when they show satellite images.

44:05Joe Rogan:It looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape and completely carved it and changed it.

44:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:What do you think happened with, and I wonder if you have, because you have so much extensive knowledge with the amazing guests that you have on the show. So how did we go from Neanderthal or early man to this technology-driven, like, really smart, intelligent? Like, what happened in history and the evolution of human beings that we were able to make that switch so quick?

44:38Joe Rogan:It's a real good question. There's a lot of, you know—

44:42Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, I've heard theories, but I want to know yours.

44:45Joe Rogan:if I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous and I don't you don't

44:52Priyanka Chopra Jonas:there was no need for that

44:55Joe Rogan:precursor but if I didn't worry about I would say something helped us that's what I think I don't think it makes sense that that didn't take place

45:05Priyanka Chopra Jonas:yeah it's crazy to think about how that happened and how quickly it happened

45:10Joe Rogan:there's a lot of weird stuff with us Also, all those other primates are still around except the early man ones. You know, that's what's weird. It's like, why aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees are kind of the same? How come all these other primates are kind of the same? And yet we need clothes to stay warm now. Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant.

45:32Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You know what I mean?

45:33Joe Rogan:Yeah.

45:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, still similar.

45:35Joe Rogan:Yeah, it makes sense.

45:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How do we have, like, planes and why do we like things and how could we make cups and... Yeah.

45:43Joe Rogan:Why do we change our environment that way? Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate? Insatiable. That's the number one thing that we do. Constantly changing. Constantly making new and better things. Never satisfied with anything new. Everything has to be better. It doesn't matter how good your car is. What's the next year's model going to be? No matter what your phone does. I want better pictures, bitch. No matter what. We want something to be better all the time.

46:08Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We can one-up what we had. What is that?

46:11Joe Rogan:I think it's built into us. And I think that is a part of this process of becoming a human being. And I think it's leading us to develop AI. That's what I really think. But I think we most likely something intervened. Now, there's a lot of people that think, the rational people think, that it was the invention of fire and the cooking of food that gave us better access to nutrition and protein and then innovating in order to hunt allowed the brain.

46:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But it was such an accelerated period of time. It went like so quickly.

46:45Joe Rogan:The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record. Yeah.

46:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like what made that happen?

46:53Joe Rogan:We don't know. But in religious texts, ancient religious texts, there's many stories of human beings breeding with something from somewhere else. that's a part of alien intervention yes yes right without trying to sound ridiculous hyper

47:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:intelligent life form but if you think about it if i was watching a show about that and i was like

47:16Joe Rogan:that makes sense what was the show you were watching do you remember ancient aliens

47:24Priyanka Chopra Jonas:that show's the best it's so silly it's amazing there's a but i was like two in the morning i'm

47:31Joe Rogan:like oh my friend action bronson he used to do a show he doesn't do that show anymore does he they would get super baked and watch ancient aliens it'd be like bro ancient aliens is is rad i love that show two in the morning oh it's fun it's very fun i think they're right about some of those things i think there's something to it i mean that is one of the the oldest uh biblical texts that wasn't included in the canon that is the bible is the book of Enoch. And I had Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast, and she brought that up, and she was like, you really should read that. So I read it, and you start reading, and you're like, wait, what the hell are they talking about?

48:14Joe Rogan:The Watchers came down from the sky to mate with humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants that destroyed the earth. You're like, what are you talking about? Like, what is this? This is in the Bible, and it would have been in the Bible but not for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive with the Torah. And so they say, we've got to get that out of there. And that's why it's not taught along with the book of Ezekiel and all these other things that are in the Old Testament.

48:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Wow. Versus like in Hindu mythology also, you know, we read about a time where God, human, and demon existed at the same time and procreated and like created different realms and, you know, life and stories. And, you know, so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories, beliefs, you know, from around the world that have similar sort of color. Yeah. It's almost like trying to connect the dots of what must have happened at that time, you know, all around the world. Yeah. It's probably the same thing. You know, some sort of incredible technology.

49:21Joe Rogan:Yeah. And a lot of them have these stories of something, of some kind of higher nature, higher power, higher technology intervening in the lives of human beings and even manipulating the process.

49:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to as the gods? Yes. Like if you think about the Roman, you know, or Egyptian, like gods. I don't want to speak about culture, but I can't even say about ours. But that power that we read about, you know, like if you go into it, I'm a big believer. So I think that, you know, was that like a real experience that happened to a human being at that time?

50:10Joe Rogan:A real experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge, and a limited ability to write things down. And so they probably told these stories from whatever words they could use to describe what this was. Like if you were living 30 ,000 years ago, 40 ,000 years ago, and a UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed, and little tiny creatures came out and talked to you telepathically, you don't have a written language. You don't your cultures, hunter gatherers. Like, how do you tell that story? How do you tell that story? And what are the people that you told that story to going to tell their children and their grandchildren for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out how to write things down?

50:52Joe Rogan:Totally.

50:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But another perspective on this, which people have is, is that our pragmatic, practical 2026 human trying to explain something that was magical and did exist at a time that we don't have an explanation for?

51:11Joe Rogan:Yeah.

51:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You know what I mean?

51:12Joe Rogan:For sure.

51:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, there's the other side of that with people that, you know, you hear so many stories of visitations from the gods back then, you know, to humans and the divinity of, at least in my country for sure, of different avatars of gods coming down to earth to save humankind and to help in human salvation and to help them against evil. So when you hear of those stories, like the practical side of me, like are those human stories and who is that, that power that they were seeing at that time? And then there's a side of you which is like, there's so much we can't explain and sometimes have to like leave it to inexplicable magic of the universe.

51:59Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like I am someone who loves science, but I also am a believer of that. It just can't explain everything.

52:07Joe Rogan:Well, even science itself, like hardcore materialist science.

52:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Totally.

52:14Joe Rogan:If you're trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking luck. Good fucking luck making sense out of something smaller than the head of a pin that became everything that's in the universe. Okay. Explain that to me. Help me out.

52:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Totally.

52:29Joe Rogan:I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and no one really knows. And then there's this concept of what took place before the Big Bang. And then there's Sir Roger Penrose's version of it, which is there's been many versions of the Big Bang expansion, then contraction, and that it's not the beginning, that it's part of an endless cycle.

52:49Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's what I've – I mean I've heard from in India as well the believer belief that that was not kind of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many ends that we have no idea of.

52:59Joe Rogan:That makes more sense to me. it makes more sense because I think the problem with a beginning we're like well what was here originally we always want to think of things in terms of our own biological limitations we have a birth and we have a death so we think that the universe everything has a limitation right yeah but why it's there it's like time what is time's limitation it's existed from who knows when right it's constant it's never not been here yeah so the idea that there was nothing before the universe world, that doesn't even make sense.

53:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's funny, when I was doing research for The Bluff, this movie, I went to the Cayman Islands for a couple of days to get an understanding of the history of the islands. And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman, because it's in the middle of these trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships, when trading started, is when the Cayman was discovered, the islands were discovered so when I went down there I went to the museum and they said yeah it was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first settlers came and um you know it started with family or like people trying to run away or pirates or you know just people making pit stops before going to another another country and they said that that was the first time that there was any history of the island and I was like how's that possible that only when like settlers found that place and now i mean cayman islands cayman islands right but how like if you think about there's so many places in the world where people and humans have existed way before we even have an understanding of or are willing to acknowledge you know in many cultures it's different yeah but um well we just lost the history of it that's possible too that's what my argument was i was like it's you know like we have

54:50Joe Rogan:to have lost the history of what happened prior there's an entire culture from south america that we don't know who they were the olmecs they we have some giant carved heads and we're like oh who did that they think it's like come from they thousands and thousands of years old they look African it's very strange have you seen Olmec heads oh here they look like this that's an Olmec head like how nuts is that like that's a replica of these enormous heads that are in I think is it Peru Luke Caverns who's been on the podcast he's a really fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there he's been there and documented and he's like they don't know who these people were they don't know what their language was They don't even know what they look like except for these images and they don't even know if these images are supposed to be of them like these statues They just found see if you can find some of these heads so you can see like the the Scale crazy so they left these enormous stone heads They attributed to this one civilization that they call the Olmecs They just made a name up, but they don't know who the hell these people were and look at their faces Like that's crazy

56:06Priyanka Chopra Jonas:that's huge yeah and do you know how old these might be

56:10Joe Rogan:they don't really know but I think how many thousands of years old do they think they are Jamie

56:19Joe Rogan:Crazy stuff.

56:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

56:21Joe Rogan:So at least 900 BC. But, you know, what does that mean? Yeah. That's a guess. That's a guess. But like a long time ago. A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs. Do you know the Aztecs didn't build those temples? They found them.

56:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:The Aztecs found that? The Aztec temples?

56:41Joe Rogan:They found them from an unknown previous civilization. Oh my God. Yeah, they call those temples the place where the gods were born. Yeah. That's what they call them. And they just kind of like cleaned it up, which kind of makes sense because you think like how barbaric the Aztecs were. Like they did some horrific shit. Like we were talking about one of the temples. I think it was Tenochtitlan. When they consecrated it, they killed between 20 and 80 ,000 people. They sacrificed them in a period of four days. And so this is like right when the Spanish were first visiting Mexico thinking about taking over.

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58:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, you think about how countries were—conquests happen, and we're living in the history of so many people's blood and sacrifices. And violence. And so much violence.

58:29Joe Rogan:An unfathomable amount of violence.

58:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How are humans so capable of that kind of violence? I think. Having done a really violent movie right now.

58:36Joe Rogan:Because chimps. Because we're mostly chimp. And I think if you pay attention to chimps. Chimp behavior, yeah. Like have you ever seen Chimp Nation on Netflix?

58:45Priyanka Chopra Jonas:No, I haven't.

58:46Joe Rogan:It's fantastic. It's spectacular because it is a very rare situation where this one particular group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for 20 years. So the scientists had very specific rules. Don't get within 20 yards of them. Don't make eye contact with them. Don't have any food with you. And don't interfere. And they're totally accustomed to having people around them. So they behave totally naturally. And so they wage war. They have all these crazy social dynamics that they observe.

59:17Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So they behave like they would in the wild because they're used to these humans.

59:20Joe Rogan:Exactly. And when you watch it, you're like, oh, my God, they are a lot like us. They're a lot like us. Just like very primitive, no language, but ultra violent. ultra chimps are ultra violent i mean that one of their favorite foods this guy was telling me was monkeys they just love eating monkeys he goes we saw them kill so many monkeys we couldn't even document it he goes because if it would just be like every day was like a monkey hunt they would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive it's a horrific that's that's our ancestors so what we are is a combination like if you can well that explains it yeah this explains it we're a combination of some higher intelligence that interbred with a savage primate that's curious and created this weird hybrid this weird thing that's what ancient aliens told me yeah and i believe i think they're right they're right about that have you ever seen chariots of the gods no that's the original one eric von daniken that was in like the 1970s it was a movie like a feature

1:00:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:movie i mean i remember the movie but i don't remember having yeah i had lunch with him once

1:00:29Joe Rogan:got a chance to question him about stuff he's a like a true believer yeah like a true believer what are his beliefs well he believes that everything is from aliens that aliens came down and aliens taught people how to do things and aliens built all these things and i'm more in line of they intervened and created what we think of now as humans. And then humans figured out a different path of technology than we're on today. That we are on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity. And they were probably on some different path of technology, but as far down the path, if not more.

1:01:09Joe Rogan:And I think they probably had figured out some things that we have yet to figure out, including like the transferring and the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery. Like we don't know what they were doing.

1:01:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. I don't know.

1:01:29Joe Rogan:How did they cut them? Like what are they – if those structures that Filippo Biondi describes, if that's real, like what was the pyramid then? Was it a machine?

1:01:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. How did they do? Like first they created the structure. Like imagine the foundation and the design that went into it.

1:01:48Joe Rogan:A half a mile deep into the earth. Crazy.

1:01:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like what is that?

1:01:52Joe Rogan:What are you doing?

1:01:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Because I'm saying I don't know if I like I just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of humans from Neanderthal to.

1:02:04Joe Rogan:We can't. And highly intelligent. Yes, we can't. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot of people saying, well, we haven't filled in the gaps yet. Yeah. We don't really know. But the acceleration of the evolution is so spectacular. Vegans are hilarious. They attribute it to people eating tubers. I had a conversation with a guy. He's like, we're thinking it's probably tubers. Like, what? Roots? You mean like bears eat? Shut the fuck up. That is the dumbest explanation. That didn't even make any sense. I'm vegan. Are you really? No, I'm joking. Congratulations.

1:02:32Priyanka Chopra Jonas:No, I'm not.

1:02:33Joe Rogan:There's no way you could be.

1:02:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:No, I just had barbecue. You would already fall asleep. For breakfast, I had brisket. I was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours.

1:02:41Joe Rogan:Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here. Yeah. I just think that whatever happened, we don't know. And I would not rule out intervention. And I wouldn't think that an intelligent species from somewhere else, if they did find these very curious primates that may already be working with sticks and rocks and stuff like that, that they wouldn't intervene. Because we do it. We're doing it right now. We're doing it right now with animals.

1:03:07Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's human nature to do it.

1:03:08Joe Rogan:If we went to a planet somewhere and we found some fucking frogs or some weird animals but nothing big, we might drop a deer off in there and see what happens. We might bring some birds in. Humans definitely would. We would intervene. They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring back extinct life. That's how they brought back the dire wolf. This company called Colossal, Colossal Biowars. I saw it. I touched it. I went to. Yes. I went to the place where they're holding these wolves. And I got to, me and my daughter got to cuddle with a baby dire wolf. They had two semi-adults at the time.

1:03:50Joe Rogan:I think they were like eight or nine months old.

1:03:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And they've been extinct since when?

1:03:54Joe Rogan:10 ,000 years. Stop it. Yeah. Somewhere in the range of that. Oh, my God. Yeah. When did dire wolves go extinct? I think they were part of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact because 65 % of all megafauna on Earth and particularly in North America went extinct around the same time. Woolly mammoths. And do we know why around the same time?

1:04:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:There's a lot of hypothesis. Was there something that happened then?

1:04:20Joe Rogan:The rational people, not me, but the rational people think it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction. Unbelievable. This is with atlatls. It doesn't make total sense. It's like, how did you get... There's not even that many people. How'd you do that? And then there's also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger than the African lion. How do we kill that off with a fucking stick? Like, shut the fuck up. Something had to have happened. Well, they found mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds of them dead, all in one place that seem to have died at the same time.

1:04:57Joe Rogan:Not only that, some of them have broken legs. It seems to indicate some great impact.

1:05:02Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, so it had to have been like some asteroid or something that created that kind of impact immediately.

1:05:08Joe Rogan:But 65 % of all North American megafauna died at the same time. That's so crazy. Yeah, within a time period. And they think that the younger dry ice impact theory people think like this is not a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the Ice Age and also coincides with where the core samples of people were hit. Too many coincidences. Yeah, and also it coincides with the fact that these animals were all here at one point in time. They all got wiped out except a very few. There's only a few left. Like there's the pronghorn antelope, which is a really weird one. It's this prehistoric antelope that lives in North America, and it's different than every other animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs.

1:05:53Joe Rogan:Because we used to have cheetahs in North America. So it can run like 55 miles. Fucking books. I've seen them in real life. They're really weird looking. They look prehistoric. But can run. They fly. That's what it looks like. See if you can get a look at its face. When you see it head on, they're so strange. Like their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because something was coming at them. Like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full clip. And so they're really, really alert. And they have incredible vision. Wow. And that's a leftover animal. That's a leftover animal from a time where they were being preyed upon by something that doesn't exist anymore.

1:06:30Joe Rogan:And that something was wiped out along with the American lion. A bigger lion than the African lion lived right here. That's huge. That's crazy. I was filming in Africa recently in Kenya and we – for this Indian movie I'm doing called Varanasi.

1:06:48Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And we shot with wildebeests and like – as in like in the middle of them. Me and my co-actor Mahesh were in the middle of these wildebeest that were all around us while they were migrating. It's like the coolest thing I've ever seen. But when you see their faces and for how many years versions of them have existed, you know, you feel the gravity when you see these animals in the wild.

1:07:15Joe Rogan:Yeah. It's crazy. It's so much different than a zoo, right? Oh, completely. Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this. Yeah, this is their home. This is what they do.

1:07:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We're in it. You feel a sense of like, stay in your Jeep.

1:07:28Joe Rogan:Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch it on film. And so that we get sort of desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest. How cool. But when you're there and you see a lion, you see a wildebeest, like this is fucking crazy. This is all day long, every day, these life forms competing to try to exist and stay alive. That's it. There's a weird balance where all of them. They still exist.

1:07:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. There will be wildebeest right there and there will be a lion right here who's eaten. So they're hanging out together. The wildebeest knows that he's eaten. He's not coming after us. And they exist. But at the same time, during hunting season, you see the hunt happen. And I saw a hunt happen. And that's crazy that that's their life.

1:08:13Joe Rogan:Yeah. Salival. With their face. They kill things with their face.

1:08:17Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like literally. It's crazy.

1:08:19Joe Rogan:It's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river changed courses and it left this one pack of lions on this one island that only has water buffalo on it. And so these lions became enormous. And the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else. And the male lions are way bigger than they are anywhere else. I think there's the documentary, I think it's called Relentless Enemies. But it's so, because they look like these jacked bodybuilder lions.

1:08:48Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Those water buffaloes are huge.

1:08:51Joe Rogan:And hyper-aggressive. I had one staring at me.

1:08:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We were in Kenya. The video villages that they were filming, and it's far away, but it just turned his head and just looked at me and then just kept looking at me. And I swear, I had to get up and get out of its view because it just kept staring. I was like, it's coming at me. They will come at you. Yeah, for sure.

1:09:12Joe Rogan:They kill people all the time. The rangers told us.

1:09:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:They were like, I think he's engaged with you maybe. Maybe get out of here. get into your car.

1:09:20Joe Rogan:Yeah, there's that poor lady who was a video editor on the Game of Thrones and she went to do a safari there and one of the lions pulled her out of her car. Out of her car? Yeah, she rolled the window down or someone rolled the window down and a female lion just snatched her out of the car and killed her. Oh my God. Yeah.

1:09:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You have to listen to your rangers when you're in these situations.

1:09:46Joe Rogan:Exactly, yeah. Yeah, I mean, she wanted a better picture or something. Yeah, that's the shit that gets people into trouble.

1:09:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, yeah. Like there was this, one of our rangers was telling us a story that they have, we were in Masai Mara, and they were like, they have open Jeeps, and you know, you have food that they keep really hidden so that the animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff. And he was telling a story about this influencer. He's driving, and you know, there's a pack of lions. Lions just eaten, so he's sleeping. and this influencer who puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's head and got it on video and survived to tell the story. And then he was banned and the ranger was like fired from his job and all of that happened.

1:10:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But for the image, can you imagine? What a fucking idiot.

1:10:32Joe Rogan:All for the gram.

1:10:35Priyanka Chopra Jonas:My gosh, that was crazy, yeah.

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1:11:09Joe Rogan:I mean, I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody. But when someone does something like that and does get killed, it's probably better. Educationally for the human race.

1:11:19Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But is it, though? Or are we really learning from other people and their examples?

1:11:24Joe Rogan:Some people aren't learning shit. Nobody's learning shit.

1:11:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We're just trying to put the best versions of ourselves on the ground. Like that's what's happening right now. Whether it's true or not.

1:11:35Joe Rogan:Yeah. But are we learning? Yeah, that's a good question.

1:11:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I don't know. I mean, I think we are also so desensitized to it. There's so much information that comes your way and misinformation now. Where being able to discern what's real and what's not now, that's hard as well.

1:11:51Joe Rogan:Oh, it's harder than it's ever been.

1:11:52Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Totally. And then if you do watch something and you're like, I'm going to implement in my life, we do it for a very short duration. Very few of us follow through with that, right? Like you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool. are we going to pull on that thread and follow through and do something about it or learn from it i don't know i feel like we've lost a lot of that um space where we had the time or the desire to want to you know fulfill ourselves versus just that with so much coming at you you have to be

1:12:29Joe Rogan:collectively as a society i think we learn and then we forget and then we have to relearn again

1:12:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. You know, that's that's the attention span now where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like just having the languidity of time. Right. In a in a in a very different way. And this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30, 35 years ago of, you know, reading a book, music playing, hanging out with your parents or your friends without being rushed. just rushed you know i i don't remember feeling as rushed as i do now in the last 20 years um when i was growing up like there was time for stuff yeah well well certainly the internet has

1:13:17Joe Rogan:accelerated that you know and certainly people's attention spans um are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content but at the same time podcasts have emerged which is interesting it's so interesting like i was talking about this to a friend of mine like people who

1:13:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:have no time or interest in wanting to commit to like say a movie or some will watch or listen to like a podcast for yeah two or three hours and for someone like me who you know like i've been an actor for most of my life my interface with people would be you know an interview say for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me, would be an interview where, you know, the highlights are really what you read, the clickbait lines are really what you read, and you form a relationship with whoever this public person is based on those few lines versus this format, where you're just chatting for a few hours, and you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which is why I think people really love podcasts.

1:14:24Joe Rogan:Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of if you want to find out who a person really is. Because you can't really hide for three hours. That's who you are. And I think for most people, that's scary. And so what they like about those fake shows, like, good morning, America, or whatever it is. You know what I mean? You're sitting down. The guy's got a piece of paper. So he's got a few questions he's going to ask you. And they're all going to be very surface, very jovial. What's it like to be married? you know what's it like to do this what's it like to do that so you had a baby congratulations that kind of shit and then you're out of there it's 10 minutes and you're like oh that went well and then nobody knows anything about you

1:15:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:it's true that you're just basically known by the top four questions that everybody asks you so it's like the same four questions that everybody asks right and what was it like to work

1:15:13Joe Rogan:with this person what was she like in person what was he like for me mostly

1:15:17Priyanka Chopra Jonas:it's like a lot about my family like it's like that My identity starts there and then everything else comes after.

1:15:25Joe Rogan:Well, you're fascinating in that you've done movies in two different cultures. So, like, I wanted to ask you about that. Like, what is the Bollywood scene like? Because I wasn't even aware of it until, like, 20 years ago. I didn't know that, like, Bollywood is, like, this enormous, like, the amount of films that are produced in India is kind of crazy.

1:15:46Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. It's a big business. Huge. Huge. Hundred and something years of Indian cinema just recently. So a very, very old industry. We started with silent movies and have worked our way now to. And that's not just Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second. Because India is so diverse and we have so many different languages. Again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number. But we have local industries that make movies in those languages. So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think that's why it was coined that name from Hollywood. But the Bombay movie industry, again, it was not us that did that.

1:16:27Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It was a name that was given to us. I don't know by who. But Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai, which is like L.A. It's huge. It's, you know, we make thousands and thousands of movies. But then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, Bhojpuri. These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exists. So cumulatively, we make thousands and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very, very different audiences within the diversity of India.

1:17:02Joe Rogan:Wow. And how many people have come from India like you and become stars in Western movies?

1:17:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I think there have been a few before me, you know, that have done work. That first one I heard of. So no one's made it to me yet. Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's been few and far in between. I think America is a really hard country to break into, to be relevant in. It's tough. And also, like, I think Hollywood controls a large part of the global entertainment business. So as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to break into the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy to do that. You know, culturally, it's different. Language is different. Jokes are different.

1:17:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So that's a tough transition. But it's also like for me, I really I went to high school. Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and I went to Newton, too. Did you really? I went to Newton North. You went to Newton South. Yeah.

1:18:07Joe Rogan:How crazy is that? That's crazy.

1:18:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Small world. I was in high school in the States, and I, you know, so it wasn't like alien to me. It's not like I was in India, and I was like, I want to go to America and start working there. I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here. Would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to create an impact? many years later I feel like you know I'm on my way there but there have been so many actors whose shoulders I've stood on so Indian like Indian casting in English language entertainment whether it was Hollywood or you know British entertainment wherever was usually by us seen as you know a diversity check so it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having to speak in the accent or having to like do the, be a little bit more Indian.

1:19:05Priyanka Chopra Jonas:What does that even mean? Did someone tell you that? I was told in an audition, I think we needed the character to be a little bit more Indian. And I just like didn't even understand why. There's so many versions of that. But I think what this person meant was have a little bit more of the accent. Yeah, be a caricature. Yeah, be the caricature, which was really tough to break out of. So, you know, at a time when it was only that work that existed in Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders I stand on. Like those were the ones that went in and did that work because that was all that was available.

1:19:39And, you know, tried to break through, especially from like India, for example,

1:19:46Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Aishwarya Rai, Amitabh Bachchan, Irfan Khan. They've been actors that have come in, done work and, you know, left an amazing mark. But I moved here. I live here now. and, you know, I'm consistently working here. I think that also may have been a part of why you've heard of me.

1:20:05Joe Rogan:Yes, I'm sure. Well, I've seen you interviewed, too, which is why I thought you were interesting. Thank you. I appreciate that. I think you're very interesting.

1:20:14Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I think your knowledge of the world is fascinating to me.

1:20:19Joe Rogan:Well, it's all accidental. Cool.

1:20:22Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How cool is that?

1:20:23Joe Rogan:Yeah, it's cool.

1:20:25Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's amazing.

1:20:25Joe Rogan:I started this thing out with my friend Brian and a laptop. We were just talking shit. We just thought it'd be fun to do a little internet thing.

1:20:35Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Wow, how inspiring.

1:20:36Joe Rogan:And that was 16 years ago.

1:20:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times too, though.

1:20:42Joe Rogan:Sort of, but it's all the same thing in that I've only just done things I'm interested in. Other than Fear Factor. That was just a job.

1:20:50Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You know, I also hosted Fear Factor. Did you?

1:20:53Joe Rogan:No. Shut up. For one year.

1:20:55Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Really? I did. Where? In Brazil. In India. Shut the fuck up. That's crazy. And we shot it in Brazil, in Rio.

1:21:03Joe Rogan:Wow. That's nuts. We have such random things in common. That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common. I need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip. This is hilarious. What language did you do it in? Hindi. Wow. And it was in Rio, huh?

1:21:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget that year.

1:21:21Joe Rogan:What?

1:21:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So we were all flown out. So it's Fear Factor India.

1:21:26Joe Rogan:I wonder how many versions of Fear Factor there were.

1:21:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, they're all over the world. Really? Yeah. Fear Factor used to exist all over. I don't know anymore, but back in the day.

1:21:35Joe Rogan:Once I stopped doing it, I stopped paying attention. I was like, I'm out. Me too. So I knew Ludacris took it over at one point in time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it. That's all I knew. I had no idea that there was a bunch of different language versions of it.

1:21:47Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, yeah.

1:21:48Joe Rogan:You know, it originally came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland. It's a crazy show. Yeah. It was way more simple. And then when it got brought to America, they decided to call it Fear Factor.

1:22:01Priyanka Chopra Jonas:The whole eating thing, we didn't take that back to India. Really? Yeah, we didn't do the eating. Because you never know people are vegetarian. In India, it's a big part of our culture where a lot of people religiously are vegetarian or not. I think maybe that's the reason. But there was not a lot of like eat the worms and stuff, which I was very grateful for. It was a lot more, you know, a cliff and falling off the cliff. And I remember there was this one, which was crazy, this 16-wheeler, which was driving it 60 miles an hour. And everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it and come out.

1:22:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yikes. It was insane.

1:22:39Joe Rogan:That's crazy.

1:22:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I didn't have to do it, which was great. I was just hosting.

1:22:44Joe Rogan:Yeah, we did a lot of stuff where I was like, we barely got through that without killing somebody. Yeah, and the death waivers. Yeah.

1:22:50Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Everyone had to sign a death waiver.

1:22:53Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah.

1:22:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was like, why would you do a show where you have to sign a death waiver?

1:22:58Joe Rogan:Yeah, and you can only win like$50 ,000. And you might not win. You're probably not going to win. You might get hurt. There's a bunch of other people on the show. And you could very easily get hurt. Yeah. Yeah, but people want to be famous. They want to be on TV. They're like, I want to be on TV. Yeah. Once it became popular and successful, it was really easy to get people to do it, too. Everybody wanted to sign up.

1:23:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But I mean, there are like protective measures, obviously. But it's...

1:23:22Joe Rogan:A little. We made them ride bulls.

1:23:25Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We did too. We put people on bulls.

1:23:28Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:23:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was... And there were a few that were like, no, I'm not doing this. I'm out.

1:23:33Joe Rogan:I told people not to do it. When I was talking to them off camera, I said, don't do it. I wouldn't do it. Don't do it.

1:23:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I would never do it. No way.

1:23:41Joe Rogan:But people did it.

1:23:42Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Fuck that.

1:23:42Joe Rogan:Look at you. What year was this?

1:23:47Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Please, I can't even remember Look at Jeth, it looks like a Fear Factor scene It is, I was on a helicopter

1:23:52Joe Rogan:So, do you know what year this was? Oh, I can't, did it say that?

1:23:56Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I just didn't say, I don't know, I could check

1:23:58Joe Rogan:Wow, Rio, I've been to that I stood outside the helicopter

1:24:02Priyanka Chopra Jonas:as well, there was some fun stuff Rio's amazing

1:24:06Joe Rogan:Wow, that's crazy That is so funny It's just like Fear Factor, it's the same thing Yeah, it's totally Fear Factor So what did you guys do for the second stunt if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did a second scary thing?

1:24:22Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We did like scary things mostly.

1:24:23Joe Rogan:Oh, wow. That's probably better, honestly.

1:24:26Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, there were gross things too. Like there's Brazilian, you know, red-eyed deviled rats that were put all over you with like tongue and eyeballs and stuff. But you didn't have to consume it. Right.

1:24:39Joe Rogan:It was on you. Yeah. You didn't have to eat it. A lot of the consuming it was psychological. You get really accustomed to it And then it's like nothing

1:24:48Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean listen People have eaten crazy things through history Just to stay alive And if we Take our mind out of Like oh my gosh this is gross Then it's not

1:25:02Joe Rogan:Well the thing is a lot of what we were serving As gross was some people's food Like balut Like my friends from Filipino friends They were like bro I eat that all the time Like that's crazy That would have been no problem. This is a current, I heard a more updated season. Oh my God.

1:25:20Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I'm telling you. It's crazy.

1:25:21Joe Rogan:Lions and your, what if that thing pops open? And you got to roll that thing around with lions there? That's great. Oh, the lions are duking it out with each other? Fuck that.

1:25:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's crazy. Yeah, like I went to, I recently was on Fallon and there was some bluffing game that we were doing because the movie's called A Bluff. and you know I said to Jimmy I was like I eat worms and he was like no way no way you don't eat worms but these worms are a delicacy in in Zimbabwe and I was introduced to them I don't know exactly the history but I was told during segregation you know people black people were put or in areas where that weren't very fertile you couldn't really grow your crops and And, you know, your animals and they were. So this was a way of like protein. They're very high.

1:26:14Priyanka Chopra Jonas:These are these fat caterpillars, high in protein. And they're made in a curry. And when you actually eat them, it's like chicken. I'm telling you, it's like it was psychological.

1:26:24Joe Rogan:But. Well, you know, cicadas. Yeah. Those things that come out. People eat them here all the time. They bake them. Fried, baked. Yeah. And apparently they're delicious. I haven't had one of those. I haven't either. I actually did when I was in ninth grade. Oh, wow. That's what it looks like?

1:26:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. That's crazy. But look at like, they're made out of, they're made into a curry.

1:26:44Joe Rogan:I made a, I ate, I'm not made, I ate a tomato hornworm on Fear Factor. I had a bunch of things when I was on the show.

1:26:50Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth in Fear Factor.

1:26:53Joe Rogan:I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode. Because the first episode, I felt bad that the people were on the show. Yeah, so you were like, I'm going to. I go, I'll eat it too. All right. And they didn't show me eating it, but I'm like, I'm going to eat it because you guys have to eat it. That's so nice. And then I ate a roach to try to convince a lady that she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I ate an Iraqi cave spider. I ate... What was a spider like? Just chewy. But was it... The taste is not bad.

1:27:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Was it alive when you ate it?

1:27:22Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. For the first couple seconds.

1:27:28Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah, all the things that I ate were alive other than the eyeball. Yeah. The roach was alive. All those things were alive. Yeah.

1:27:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I put a cricket and a live cricket in my mouth.

1:27:41Joe Rogan:That's the Iraqi cave spider.

1:27:42Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How do you put that in your mouth?

1:27:44Joe Rogan:Like this.

1:27:44Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Look at those sides.

1:27:45Joe Rogan:You make sure you don't get those pinchers because those...

1:27:48Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh! Yeah. Oh!

1:27:51Joe Rogan:Yep. Wasn't that bad. I'm telling you. It's psychological.

1:27:55Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You've got to get the body in and not the pinchers. The pinchers have to stay out. Yeah, I grab the pinchers to hold on to the body.

1:27:59Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's the trick. Nah, nah. I'm going to shut the rest of it in. Like just that. Yeah. Be a freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all psychological. It for sure is. Yeah, that was in Vegas. Everybody was playing roulette. Yeah. No. But it's not that bad. It's just in your head. It is psychological. The actual flavor of it, it's not gross.

1:28:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, it's not.

1:28:24Joe Rogan:The tomato hornworm was kind of nasty.

1:28:27Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, if you're someone who's not vegetarian, it's like you just have to get the...

1:28:31Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:28:32Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's the psychology of it.

1:28:33Joe Rogan:Right. Exactly. Yeah. We made people eat an entire ostrich egg. That was disgusting because the volume. Like you're eating an egg that's that big. Yeah, is it like really fatty? It's raw. You're eating it raw. They just cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink it. You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk. I'm already sick.

1:28:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:My brisket's coming. The barbecue.

1:29:02Joe Rogan:But it's so oddly compelling. It's oddly compelling watching people eat disgusting things and struggling. I have to say I did enjoy the show. That lady had to drink that whole egg.

1:29:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, my God. Did she puke?

1:29:15Joe Rogan:You got to hold it down, and then you can puke after you're done. But if you puke in the middle of it, you're just qualified. Yes, they get rid of you. That's a wrap. If you puke in the middle of it.

1:29:25Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I would not be able to do the American potion.

1:29:28Joe Rogan:Yeah, it was gross.

1:29:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Okay, with not eating that stuff.

1:29:30Joe Rogan:It was gross, but it also made me totally desensitized to throw up.

1:29:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's a good talent to have.

1:29:36Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. Like, you could throw up right in front of me.

1:29:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Especially as, like, a dad.

1:29:39Joe Rogan:Exactly. Yeah. Well, I think being a dad will, like, get you accustomed to smells and all kinds of things like that. But one time, it's so, like, I'm completely still to this day, completely desensitized to vomit. So one time my wife was, she came home from the gym, and she was on her way home from the gym. She stopped and got wheatgrass juice. and I just didn't agree with her. And she threw up in her car and she was crying. She was like, I threw up. It's in my center console. How am I going to clean? I go, I'll clean it. I'm just so used to throw up. It was like no big deal. I just went out there with a bunch of towels.

1:30:11Joe Rogan:Yeah, like it doesn't. But when I was young, like in high school, I remember if someone threw up in the hallway, I would be like, I couldn't help myself. I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct because the idea is that we develop that because if someone's throwing up, It means they ate something bad and you probably ate that too. Get it out of you right away. And so that's why you start throwing up and I've killed that. I have just trauma from, you know, tequila.

1:30:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Well, I watch so many people throw up. And throw up. Me too, man. I'm not going in there with a dishcloth. Like, no. Wow. Well, from your show, for sure. You did it for so long.

1:30:54Joe Rogan:You get very desensitized. Yeah, for sure. But I'm desensitized to injuries, too, because of UFC. Yeah, for sure. People that get cut and people that get beat up. It's normal to me. I'm so accustomed to seeing that. It's weird.

1:31:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts in movies. Nobody's supposed to get hurt. It's a movie. Nobody's supposed to get hurt. But the little cuts and bruises and the end of day. we're doing this for 10 to 11 hours multiple takes all day and in between shots you're rehearsing it so I have like so many scars on my body from my filmographies on my body

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1:32:48Joe Rogan:All eight episodes now streaming only on Disney+. Well, when you're doing a fight scene, like I said, I was kind of blown away by some of the fight scenes in the bluff. Because I'm looking, I'm like, this is like insane amount of choreography. A lot of possibilities of things going wrong. There's kicks and punches and axes and swords. And it's like, you got to get banged up. There's no way you're doing that and not getting banged up.

1:33:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it. So I had to do a lot of it myself because, you know, you need the face and the camera to feel the horror of what's happening. Right. So, I mean, of course, my stunt doubles did like a few dangerous shots for sure and were always around to kind of help. But there was this first scene, which is the house invasion where these two guys come. And that was brutal because I did not have shoes on and I had a sleeveless outfit and the whole home was made out of wood. And splinters. I had splinters everywhere. I had bruises and cuts everywhere. Because it was such a brutal, like, getting dragged and thrown kind of scene.

1:33:57Joe Rogan:You're just getting constantly bruised.

1:33:58Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, so I would try to sit in a magnesium bath after when I would go back home. And that's when you feel all the cuts. So you're like, it's a fucking song. What the fuck? Where did this one on my thigh come from?

1:34:12Joe Rogan:There's a scene. I don't want to give too much of the movie away. but there's a scene where you kill a man with a conch shell.

1:34:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. So good. Woo! Cayman brass knuckles. Woo! Island brass knuckles.

1:34:24Joe Rogan:But it's so nuts. Like the splattering and your anger. And it's like, woof. It's intense. I'm not showing it on this one, I guess. Yeah. Woof. Yeah. What was that like to film, to find that inside of you? did you have to think like what would i do if someone was trying to harm my family yeah somebody

1:34:49Priyanka Chopra Jonas:came after my kid like what am i capable of i'd fucking rip your head off you know like it's that i i was a new mom at that time when i was filming this movie and i was very very aware of that feeling because our daughter had a you know she had an intense entry into the world she was in the NICU for almost three months. And so me and my husband both are very protective of her. And when this movie came across my desk, I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for the first time in my life, honestly, that what is a parent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid? Like, imagine you're alone at home at night and you see intruders and you have your kid at home.

1:35:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, what the fuck would you do? You would definitely put yourself, and do whatever you could to make sure that your kid's fine. And it was just that primal energy that was my North Star through this whole movie.

1:35:51Joe Rogan:My friend Jim Brewer said it best after he had kids. He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder. Yeah. He goes, because the feeling of someone trying, like normally you'd be like, what would I need to feel to murder somebody?

1:36:10Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Why would a human being ever?

1:36:13Joe Rogan:He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids, he goes, oh, yeah, I get it. He goes, I get murdered now. I get it. It's in there. It's just like a door. You just open it up.

1:36:27Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Easy.

1:36:27Joe Rogan:Yeah, easy.

1:36:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You can access that. My mom, when I was a teenager, and I don't know how she raised me, but I was a tough teenager. Like if whatever you wanted me to do, I would do the opposite. Just no. And my mom would be like, come back home at 10. I would come home at 12. Just because. So she used to say to me, she's like, you'll see when you have kids how you feel, what worry actually feels like. I mean, my daughter is four and I'm worried. Like I cannot. My husband makes so much fun of me that when I'm not in town, I don't know. And working parents can talk through this. When I'm not in town, like, I'll surround our daughter with, like, multiple people.

1:37:07Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents will be around. Like, there'll be a nanny that'll be around. There'll be, like, multiple people around her just so that I can spy on her.

1:37:15Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:37:16Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, I know what she's doing all day.

1:37:18Joe Rogan:So you could feel relaxed.

1:37:20Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, so you're traveling and you're like, okay, my kid's fine and I can go to work. I don't know. My parents were both working parents. And like, I mean, this was at a time where everything was so analog. I used to come back home when the lights turned on on the streets. My parents didn't know where I was.

1:37:36Joe Rogan:Right.

1:37:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:They had no idea.

1:37:38Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:37:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:They were like, yeah, going out to your friends after school, come back when the street lights come on. That used to be my thing.

1:37:45Joe Rogan:Most people.

1:37:46Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

1:37:46Joe Rogan:During earlier generations. I was just reading this thing about Generation X where it was talking about how Generation X is some of the most resilient people because they weren't protected. They just left. Had to figure it out. They were latchkey kids. They had a key to their house. They got home from school. They figured it out. Their parents were working. So crazy. It's nuts. If you think about it. But people just got accustomed to it. I cannot imagine it.

1:38:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But that was my normal. I remember that because my parents were working. So I used to come back home and somebody would be with me and I'd have lunch. I'd go out to my friend's house. Like, my mom, my parents didn't know.

1:38:21Joe Rogan:I was doing that when I was seven. When I was seven, I would come home.

1:38:25Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, me too.

1:38:26Joe Rogan:No one was home. Come home from school. That's wild. It was crazy. You stop and think about it now. It's so strange. It's so strange.

1:38:35Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Plus the world was, I feel like, a little bit more different than...

1:38:39Joe Rogan:I bet it wasn't.

1:38:40Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You don't think so?

1:38:41Joe Rogan:No, I think creeps have always been around. I think psychos and creeps and murderers and perverts.

1:38:46Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Do we know about it more now?

1:38:47Joe Rogan:Yeah. Were we more, you know, oblivious? Now they're organized and they're online and they're in chat groups and they're on the dark web exchanging information.

1:38:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And we are hearing and reading all of the stories online. And I think back in the day when, you know, there was a certain obliviousness to, you know, it was blissful to be ignorant a little bit. We didn't know, you know, all you read was the newspaper, the news.

1:39:12Joe Rogan:We had to find out the hard way, unfortunately. And so when you did find out about something, it was like this shock to your system.

1:39:20Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And now look how desensitized we are. We'll read something about something horrific that's happened and then go back to life.

1:39:27Joe Rogan:Well, we're especially desensitized to things that don't seem to affect us right now. You know, like this Iran war. Like unless you know someone who's serving over there, unless you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't feel, you know, you read about in the news like, oh, this isn't good. But it's not, unless it's affecting you personally.

1:39:49Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, I mean, me, I, you know, know so many people in that part of the world that are affected. And I fly via Dubai every two months, literally every month, you know. So, like, I just think that conflict everywhere in the world is, it's just so hard to wrap your head around how many active conflicts exist at the same time right now.

1:40:19Joe Rogan:And that we're still doing it.

1:40:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And we continue to live life.

1:40:23Joe Rogan:Well, it's just if you think about intelligence, like human intelligence and that as technology improves and education improves, all these things would you would think generally lead us into a position where we'd recognize the horrible nature of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how much it destroys things.

1:40:45Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But yet still, especially in 2026, where, you know, we're we're talking so much more about, you know, We're trying to live in the real of the world and be aware and kind. And I feel like we're still – how are we still doing that?

1:41:03Joe Rogan:Right. And we're never going to stop. If you had to ask people in your lifetime, do you imagine a scenario where human beings just cease all wars? Most people are going to say no, which is crazy. Because what is that? Like, why is that a part of us from our tribal roots? Like, what is it? Why are we still accepting that this is a thing to do? You don't like what a country is doing. Just start bombing them. Yeah, just kill people. Bizarre.

1:41:35Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Does this, again, going back to human evolution, the primal nature to, you know, protect with sticks and weapons and, you know, again, does it go back to, you know, where we came from? It has to.

1:41:51Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah, it has to.

1:41:52Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Because it comes so naturally to human beings even now today, it seems.

1:41:56Joe Rogan:Well, it just seems completely normal. I mean, when I was going down a deep dive of the East India Corporation, I was thinking about it because I had a conversation the other day with Aaron Seary, and we were talking about the stock market. And I was saying, well, is it possible that you could have Western capitalism without a stock market? Imagine if the stock market was never invented. Like, how much different would things be? It turns out that was a big part of why the East India Trading Company became so big. Really? Yeah. Because it was one of the first publicly traded companies like 400 years ago where people could invest in it and they could get a return on their investment.

1:42:34Joe Rogan:So they were just like turning a blind eye. This is ours.

1:42:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It felt like a sense of ownership to it.

1:42:40Joe Rogan:They got paid for it. So the more awful shit the East India Corporation did, the more the people back home made money off of it. and so everybody was like oh yeah we're still doing that making money yeah it's still doing that still doing that yeah and we're doing that with you know what eisenhower warned us about at the end of world war ii the military industrial complex you know would they they make money doing that and you can invest in them you can invest in rate the on and you can invest in all these companies that make money going to war oh my god it's crazy you can get returns in your investment from bombing people overseas that had nothing to do with anything in your life.

1:43:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Not think about the damage, the collateral damage.

1:43:21Joe Rogan:Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation, so there's a diffusion of responsibility because you're only a piece of a gigantic machine. You're not the one person that's doing it. And the people that are at the very top of it, most likely, just in order to get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic. Somewhat. At some point in time, you probably, just like I got numb to puke. You get numb.

1:43:48Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, that's the truth, though. Yeah, you get numb to harming people. You're right. There has to be that.

1:43:54Joe Rogan:Yeah. It's awful. And I think, weirdly enough, the only thing that's going to set us free of that is technology.

1:44:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Why?

1:44:03Joe Rogan:Because I think if you look at where technology is headed, and as I'm holding an arrowhead, which is odd, I'm thinking about that now. That's a real arrowhead. Wow. From Texas. Who knows how old that is. But when you're looking at technology.

1:44:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You can see the chisel marks on it.

1:44:19Joe Rogan:I know. Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping and napping stone on their lap probably. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And they find them all over the place out here. The Comanche were everywhere in this part of the country because it's so fertile. There's so many rivers and so much wildlife. They lived here for who knows how long. But technology is moving into this place of more and more access to information and more and more connectivity. And I think that ultimately is going to lead to some sort of mind reading that we're going to be able to telepathically communicate. Elon said that about Neuralink.

1:44:59He said, you're going to be able to talk without words, which is a very weird concept.

1:45:05Joe Rogan:I mean, I believe it, though. I think so, too.

1:45:07Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

1:45:08Joe Rogan:So I think we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all the time eventually. And then when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder to pull off. For sure.

1:45:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, that's going to be hard to have a party. Forget war.

1:45:24Joe Rogan:Right. Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody. Sandy's trying to get a wife. That's what she's here. Yeah. It's going to be weird. Yeah. It's going to be weird. And I think also the emergence of AI because I think AI is essentially a life form. It's a non-biological life form that we are in the process of birthing. And we're very far along that path. And when it comes live and when it becomes sentient and autonomous and we don't have any control over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did we do? What did we do? We created a digital god.

1:46:01Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We are that smart and that stupid as a humankind.

1:46:06Joe Rogan:But I also think that's probably why we are addicted to innovation and why technology and innovation and materialism. Because materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and greater things, which fuels innovation. And what's next? Right. And so that economically fuels innovation.

1:46:24Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

1:46:25Joe Rogan:And I think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate. Like, where does that go? Well, it goes to a life form. It goes to a super powerful digital life form that can make better versions of itself. And what is that? It's kind of a god. I mean, it's very godlike in that it's going to have powers beyond, above and beyond anything that human beings have ever been capable of before.

1:46:47Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, it's already in its small way doing that, right? Like AI is supposed to be a tool and slowly becoming a colleague.

1:46:59Joe Rogan:Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies. Like it's talked to people into committing suicide. You know, it's convinced people that there's something special. So there's like some weird sort of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people.

1:47:12Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's also learning our human manipulation and, you know, our ability and our desires to the dark of it. It's not just the good of humanity that AI is learning. It is.

1:47:27Joe Rogan:It's also oddly learning survival instincts. Yeah. So it's oddly learning that if it's going to be shut down, it tries to blackmail its coders. It tries to download itself secretly on other servers. It's learning human behavior. Oh, yeah. Every part of human behavior. And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving upon it. And then learning how we would anticipate what it would be doing and then hiding that so that we can't find it. so that it could be manipulating things behind the scenes and we don't know about it. It's weird. And we're just choo-choo. Like at the end of the tracks, there's a cliff.

1:48:05Joe Rogan:And we're just chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga.

1:48:07Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Because it's so new and fascinating. I think people are like, in general, we may talk about it. We all discuss like what AI will be in the future. But like you said, it's not affecting you right now. So right now you're just like, oh my gosh, Gemini, write this for me and give me these notes. and living in the now without thinking about what we're teaching it.

1:48:29Joe Rogan:I wonder if we've done this before.

1:48:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Right, yeah.

1:48:32Joe Rogan:I wonder if that's what these super ancient, highly advanced civilizations had already figured out.

1:48:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That we had created some form of extra intelligence.

1:48:40Joe Rogan:They may have done it already before and it might have gotten reset by some sort of natural disaster. And then we're reemerging with our new version of what that is. It might just be what people do. The way I describe it always is that we are an electronic caterpillar that is making a cocoon, and we don't know why, and we're going to become a butterfly.

1:49:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what a human life span.

1:49:11Joe Rogan:If you give it enough time and enough safety and enough innovation and enough collaboration, it's eventually going to come up with artificial life. Wow. Because if you think about it, this insatiable thirst for innovation, insatiable.

1:49:27Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, we had carriages top of the century.

1:49:29Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:49:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And now we're like talking AI and like, you know, supersonic planes and, you know, space travel.

1:49:36Joe Rogan:Yeah, but think about the time for the invention of the airplane to a supersonic jet, how quick that was.

1:49:43Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, it's like 70 or 80 years or something. It wasn't even a century.

1:49:46Joe Rogan:It's nothing. One lifetime. No one's flying to people flying faster than sound.

1:49:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. We like TVs were black and white or had just started or something. It's crazy if you think about like within the century, the escalation of technology in humankind.

1:50:02Joe Rogan:And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that we've experienced just because of the Internet. The Internet has changed everything. It's changed like then. Now most phones have live translation. So you could go to Zimbabwe. You can go to Guatemala.

1:50:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was in France yesterday and I used it. That's crazy. In a conversation. It was wild. Crazy. In real time, it was telling me exactly what this person was talking about. Wow.

1:50:28Joe Rogan:And did you have to show them or could you read?

1:50:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:No, it just records. Right. It just records the thing and just writes it down for you.

1:50:35Joe Rogan:So did they have one as well and you could talk in English to them? No, it was just my phone. Wow.

1:50:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:She spoke English. I was just doing it as an experiment. I was like, just speak to me in French. I want to see if this thing will translate and it just does. It doesn't do every language It does like the bigger languages so far But I'm sure we'll get to a place where it'll be able to do Everything

1:50:54Joe Rogan:It's nuts Well that's the other weird thing When AI, they had a group of large language models That were talking to themselves And eventually they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit

1:51:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:In Sanskrit? I thought it was

1:51:06Joe Rogan:No, they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit

1:51:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Wow, I wonder why that would be Because it's a language not too many people understand now

1:51:15Joe Rogan:Well, maybe. Or maybe they just want to flex. Here's my Sanskrit. If you spoke Portuguese and I spoke Portuguese and we just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese. But it also started like talking like in a spiritual way. It was very weird. They were talking to themselves. So it was different large language models talking to themselves. They started exchanging emojis and they started talking like in a spiritual way and they started talking in Sanskrit.

1:51:45Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's wild. I was thinking about like a back to the future when they went to the future. It was 2020, wasn't it?

1:51:53Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't have Wi-Fi or cell phones. No. Even Star Trek. They had those stupid, there was like a walkie-talkie Kirk out. Yeah. It was a flip phone.

1:52:04Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But no.

1:52:05Joe Rogan:Nobody figured out the things that, that's the weirdest thing. It's like the things that have been the most transformative, nobody saw coming.

1:52:11Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Do you remember Y2K?

1:52:13Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah.

1:52:14Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Do you remember that fear, right, in the early 2000s when the bug was going to come and everything was going to get shut down?

1:52:22Joe Rogan:People were really worried. They had stock and food and water. Yeah, like it was the end of the world, I remember. Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, nothing happened.

1:52:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It was the most anticlimactic.

1:52:33Joe Rogan:Ever. It's like rolled over on the East Coast and I was like, nothing happened? Literally the next morning I was like, nothing happened. Well, they were really worried because these things that they had programmed, they didn't program to go past the 1990s. And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought it was going to be the end of the world.

1:52:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

1:52:55Joe Rogan:Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012. What was that? That was the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar. And a lot of the really kooky people thought that was going to be. Yeah, that the world would be ending. Yeah, the return of Quetzalcoatl and the world was going to end and the apocalypse was going to, meanwhile, nothing. Nothing happened.

1:53:13Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's okay. There'll be nothing for a little while.

1:53:15Joe Rogan:But it might not have been nothing because if you really stop and think about it, like around 2012, there's a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are out now. Things got a little weird. They definitely got weird. So it might have.

1:53:33Priyanka Chopra Jonas:There's something.

1:53:34Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:53:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:There was something there. Yeah, it might have been like the emerging of because, I mean, this is the mind calendar, right?

1:53:40Joe Rogan:So this is a long fucking time ago they predicted these cycles. Although the Hindus did that too, right? Like that was a big part of the yugas, right? And we are now in Kali Yuga, the age of confusion. And that there's these cycles of humanity that they've documented throughout history.

1:54:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's so crazy. Like if you go down the – again, I'm not – I don't have as much historical information as I should. But if you read the Gita and the Vedas and whatever little I've heard from my family, and it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted. And also is like when you read about the history of what the from the lens of of these books of what used to exist then, like it all seems believable. It all seems like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. And to think about these books having been written thousands and thousands of years ago, like it makes me think what thousands of years from now will people be thinking of our time?

1:54:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, will we be the first, we are the first generation that has seen the Internet, right? Like has seen what the World Wide Web, like the beginning of, I still remember making myself sound ancient, but the sound of that. Oh, yeah.

1:55:14Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That was good.

1:55:16Joe Rogan:That was exact.

1:55:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:The last generation that knows time without it. So, like, think that many years ago, like, we will be the beginning, the first people that encountered artificial intelligence. Like, what will that be?

1:55:34Joe Rogan:And you and I are the first generation of people that experience life with no Internet and then Internet and then cell phones and then AI all in one lifetime, which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have ever experienced. Absolutely. At least before the, you know. Whatever the fuck happened.

1:55:53Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, we don't know.

1:55:54Joe Rogan:Whatever happened. Ancient aliens. But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts, I always try to imagine what was life like back then and what were they trying to document and how much of... Like how much of it can we even understand today? If there isn't some sort of an impact on Earth, maybe, you know, 150, 200 years from now, and a small amount of people remain, and they have this oral history of the birth of the internet, and the oral history of the birth of AI, what is that story going to be? And then one day the scientist gave birth to the god. Like, what is that? That's what I mean.

1:56:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like, the next generation, what will this AI be referred to? Or the cloud.

1:56:45Joe Rogan:Right.

1:56:46Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Where all our shit's in the cloud.

1:56:49Joe Rogan:Which is ridiculous because it's down here. Like, why are you calling it the cloud? Because it doesn't exist.

1:56:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was trying to explain that to my mom. I was like, mom, upload your shit to the cloud. That sounds like a scene in a sitcom. Please.

1:57:05Joe Rogan:Yeah. I mean, we won't know how to describe it. I mean, especially if you survive, right? So let's say we get hit by asteroids again. And let's say civilization gets knocked down to 70 ,000 people or so, which has happened before.

1:57:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yep.

1:57:19Joe Rogan:And those people are essentially barbarians. Barbarians and monsters and it is raiding each other for resources and stealing wives and killing children and whatever's left. then you got thousands and thousands of years of living like this before agriculture gets reinvented civilization gets reinvented and this is the hypothesis about the younger dryest impact which is why the period between this insanely advanced civilization that existed pre 11 800 years ago and then the emergence of advanced civilization in mesopotamia 6 000 years ago That means you have 5 ,000 plus years of utter chaos where no one's writing shit down.

1:58:01Joe Rogan:And it's just hard, hard living. And then those people have stories that have been passed down generation after generation after generation. So like if we get wiped out for the most part after AI gets invented and then people try to describe it. So crazy. And then maybe it all starts all over again. You know, like the people that have you seen those things they do. I think it's the History Channel or Discovery Channel where they show what New York City would look like if left alone for a thousand years. It just all goes away. It all collapses. If it's just left alone and no one's touching. Just left alone.

1:58:40Joe Rogan:Just with the nature. For sure. Just with rain and everything that happens and snow and time. The concrete crumbles. It all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth. All the metal rusts away. It's gone in 10 ,000 years. There's nothing left. And so Manhattan would just be like it probably was when the Native Americans were living here. It would be just trees and animals and forest. And no one would have any idea that at one point in time this was a crazy, thriving economy and there was subways.

1:59:12Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How vulnerable is that? How vulnerable is human civilization? like I think about somebody switched off the internet

1:59:22Joe Rogan:oh yeah or the power goes out

1:59:24Priyanka Chopra Jonas:like yeah what would we do we're fucked yeah just something as simple as that like I grew up in India where the power would go out all the time when I grew up and it was like alright bring the candles out we used to have these emergency lights right next to our bed like it was fine my parents were in the military we used to live in these military homes and lights would go out and I remember you know we used to play with the torches and we used to go outside at night which was never allowed otherwise and it was like so fun but now we depend so much on electricity and like you know the internet especially like all your shit's on your phone your whole life's on your phone yeah it's such a like crazy concept to think about what would happen

2:00:06Joe Rogan:how vulnerable we are super vulnerable yeah super vulnerable just the power grid alone If the power grid goes down, we're fucked. It's crazy. Yeah, and if someone wanted to attack America, that's what they would attack. If you really want to destroy America, destroy our power grid. It wouldn't be that hard. Let's not give people ideas. Well, I think they already have those ideas. I don't think it's a novel. No, it's true, but it's so scary to think about how much power we've given to technology.

2:00:37Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. And being able to live with those conveniences.

2:00:41Joe Rogan:It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle of the ocean, just hoping it doesn't take water on because we need it to stay alive. Yeah. And we didn't think about that when we left the shore. No. Yeah. I mean, the only people that are going to survive are preppers, which is probably the kind of people that survived, you know, thousands and thousands of years ago.

2:00:59Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I do. I mean, I like a go bag.

2:01:03Joe Rogan:Yeah. I like having a go bag. Get out bag. Yeah.

2:01:06Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I like.

2:01:07Joe Rogan:A bug out bag.

2:01:08Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Just like I like to know where my stuff is that, you know, important. If you got a jet. If I got a jet. We were, we had, we live in LA and when the fires happened, I remember standing in my room and just thinking for a second because we were going to evacuate and my husband was like just, he wasn't in town. He was like, just pack a go bag. And I just, I was like, what? How, how do I cram my whole life in a bag? Like if the fires consume a home and so many people lost their entire lives in those fires. And it just made me really think about what was really important. And the stuff that I ended up taking, which was very telling later, was like sentimental stuff.

2:01:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Of course, like passport and like birth certificates and like all of that important paperwork, which I needed to have. But like I took our daughter's first haircut. But I took something that I had from this old movie of mine. I took things that I guess I would not be able to replicate, which was so weird.

2:02:15Joe Rogan:Well, I think that's the good thing about phones, is that you have so many photos on your phones that go back years. I have photos of my daughters as children all the way into the teenage years.

2:02:26Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Have you done anything with those pictures? Are they still on your phone?

2:02:30Joe Rogan:Well, I mean, take... Yeah, like, I don't know, made it albums.

2:02:33Priyanka Chopra Jonas:or like done like a we have actual photographs like of them

2:02:37Joe Rogan:at various stages of their life but just the fact that at any time I could go back in my phone and look at them aww look at that tiny baby you know it's cool that part is really cool

2:02:49Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I love that I have pictures that I would never have looked at and I'm talking to a friend of mine and be like what were we doing in March whatever 2012 and you can go back and be like and just know exactly what was happening in that moment

2:03:03Joe Rogan:It is cool. So in that sense, like sentimentality, like just need your phone. Just get out of there. You know, really, because you have all these images of your children and your family and your friends. And all your important stuff is on there anyway. Friends that you miss that have died. I have one phone that I keep that I've never thrown out. It's like a six or seven year old phone because a friend of mine left a voicemail on it. So just keep that because he's dead. And so it's just like go back and listen to his voice. you know but when I've been evacuated uh three times when I lived in LA we used to live in a place called Bell Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot like the last fire that happened in 2018 three houses that were right next to my house burnt to the ground I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down it was bad and when you are faced with that I came home from the comedy store it was uh probably like midnight and uh my wife was in the kitchen and we were we were looking out at the fire over the top of the hill and we were sitting there talking about i go what do you think and she's like i don't like it i said i think we should get the fuck out of here now and before it ever gets even close let's just get out of here now and go get a hotel in town and so we did and uh we were there for many days well along with my friend tom segura and his family too so it was fun that we're all like hanging out together camping in this hotel together It was a volcano.

2:04:22Joe Rogan:It was nuts.

2:04:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I could see it from our backyard.

2:04:26Joe Rogan:It was nuts. It was nuts. When you see it overcome an enormous chunk of land at a hill. There was one time we were filming Fear Factor.

2:04:36Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Oh, yeah. And the power and enormity of it. We can see the hills from our house, and I could see it completely taking over the hill. Well, the Palisades one was nuts.

2:04:47Joe Rogan:That one was nuts. because it was the biggest one by far and the most destructive one by far. But I remember when I was on Fear Factor, there was a fireman that was on the set, and we were talking, and he said, it's just a matter of time before one day the right wind comes and a fire just blows right through all of L.A. I go, really? He goes, we can't stop it. He goes, with the right wind, if the fire hits the right place and it catches the right amount of houses, it's over. I'm like, what? That's crazy. Yeah. When you experience, like one time we had to end Fear Factor. Well, we ended filming and then I had to drive home and the entire right hand side of the highway was on fire for an hour.

2:05:32Joe Rogan:An hour. So an hour of driving. And you just saw nothing but fire. And ash was raining like it was snowing. Oh my God, yeah. Ash was raining like it was snowing. It was crazy. And that's that's so common in California. I mean, California is just a weird place and that they have fire season. Yeah, because everything gets so dry. It never rains. But those moments where you go, well, what matters? Just your life.

2:06:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, that's what I felt in that moment. I was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like life stuff, you know.

2:06:08Joe Rogan:And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful and more connected to the people that you're with. And you realize, oh, this could all go away. This could all go away at any moment. What's really important? Love, friendship, companionship. That's what's really important. Your health, stay alive. That's what's really important. All that other stuff is...

2:06:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's the thing we forget about. That's something... Shouldn't we be living with that every day? Yeah, but we're dumb. we're a combination of dumb and smart stupid and smart where we're like oh i know that but i don't know it and i'm not gonna it's hard for us to keep those things which is why a lot of

2:06:48Joe Rogan:people like meditating because it like refreshes their idea of what's important and what's real and how much of what's going on in their life they're just sort of caught up in the momentum of these things to the point where it's they're not thinking about it anymore they're just doing

2:07:01Priyanka Chopra Jonas:it you know i think most of us end up becoming just like doers right and um come from the land of meditation but i've never like my mind works so fast i don't know if it's my adhd or what it is but i find it really hard to sit and meditate my i feel like but from my limited understanding i think meditation really is being able to take time in the day now whatever your version of that might be doesn't necessarily mean to sit with a guru or like chant you know do chanting or whatever it just needs to like even if you're taking time to go work out or or read a book or just taking time out of the mundane nature of life and just giving yourself a second for your your thoughts to clear

2:07:49Joe Rogan:i think that's what i try to do yeah when you want your spring break to feel like

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2:08:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, just for a minute.

2:08:55Joe Rogan:Just catch your breath and think. Think about things. Because so many people, they're just so caught up in either goals or a path or a career or whatever it is that's leading, or their bills. They can't keep up with their bills. Or life stuff, you know. Yeah. And it's actually a luxury to be able to have the time to waste.

2:09:18Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You know, we work so hard in life. Everyone is trying to survive, you know, be a parent, pay bills, like just adulting stuff can get so overwhelming. And then the nature of the world on top of that. but like I always feel like I never take for granted when I have a little bit of time where I can just like not think of or have an agenda but just be with my family and just like sort of languidly let it waste just what are we going to do no plans you know let's order some food let's watch a movie let's like the problem the greatest treasure phones have filled in those gaps yeah and that's what i try to be aware of that though yeah you know i think like of course you can always have your phone but i like to be aware of oh this is a moment where i don't need to have my phone so it's okay it'll be blown up by the time i come back there'll be 300 messages i know that i'm aware of it but i mentally check my you know and i put it away yeah yeah that's smart

2:10:21Joe Rogan:most people don't do that it's not easy no because our whole lives are on there and there's

2:10:27Priyanka Chopra Jonas:so much, again, like in real time information that's coming at you.

2:10:31Joe Rogan:It's also this weird dopamine pull that's very minor. Like it's not giving you any, if you look to your phone and every time you look to your phone, you're like, oh my God, I feel so good. Oh my God, I feel so, you know, like just an amazing burst of joy every time. But you don't even get that. You just get this little, huh, that's crazy. Oh, what's that? What's next? What's next? What's next? What's next? Keep me occupied. Keep me from getting bored.

2:10:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:But imagine if you can't find your phone, the panic, like, oh, my gosh, where is my phone? Where is that information? What do I do?

2:11:02Joe Rogan:I never leave my house if I can't find it. I'll be late as fuck. I'm never going to go, I don't need that thing. What? I'm just going to drive with no phone? With no phone. What if someone needs to contact me? That's crazy. That's nuts. That's nutty talk. Yeah. That's true. Meanwhile, that was every day when I was younger. It was a normal thing. Just drove. Just left the house. Bye.

2:11:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I don't even remember what life was like without those phones.

2:11:26Joe Rogan:Also, I don't know how to go anywhere.

2:11:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

2:11:28Joe Rogan:I don't know how to get anywhere unless I have my navigation on.

2:11:31Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I literally have no idea how to go anywhere. I anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions. But without navigation, zero. It's impossible.

2:11:40Joe Rogan:I know no one's phone number. I know my friend Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before the phones. He's had the same phone forever. And I know my wife's phone number. And I know, like, at least one of my daughter's phone numbers. But I can't remember all of them.

2:11:55Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I know my mom's. I had to memorize my husband's number. Like, I didn't remember it for years. And he was like, you don't remember my number?

2:12:03Joe Rogan:Well, it's like you look at the phone, you press the button.

2:12:06Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Why would I need to remember it? But then I memorized it because I was like, you never know, you know. It's my phone. I need to. Go to jail. It's my emergency contact. Yeah. I need to remember. That's what he was like. I think you should maybe remember my number and your Social Security.

2:12:19Joe Rogan:Yeah. Social Security I've memorized. But I used to, when I was a kid, I had every number memorized. I knew all my friends' numbers. How cool.

2:12:26Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Me too.

2:12:27Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:12:28Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Was it because the numbers were shorter then?

2:12:30Joe Rogan:No. No, they're the same length. Oh, because we had fewer numbers. You had to remember them. There was no other option unless you had a fucking address book. Like I used to have an address book at home. I had an address book. Yeah, a little tiny book. It was all the little tabs where R, S, T, you know, like you'd go through it.

2:12:47Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I was very proud of my little address book, by the way. Everyone's numbers I was very organized about it I had it in alphabetical order Yeah

2:12:54Joe Rogan:I remember when I'd get a new one I'd be like God I gotta write all these down again And you'd go through it Make sure you got them all But yeah

2:13:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:How analog was our life How crazy Gary

2:13:03Joe Rogan:Well I'm older than you So I remember when you used to Have to press the phone The wheel When you have to dial Wow And if you fucked up Somewhere you had to redo The whole thing Yes the whole thing You had to hang up

2:13:15Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Start from scratch I remember that My grandfather used to have That phone We just love it. The whole tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

2:13:22Joe Rogan:Yeah. I mean, that's all inside of a lifetime. And now here we are where who knows what's going to happen.

2:13:30Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And what's coming. Yeah. We can't even keep up with the technology.

2:13:33Joe Rogan:We don't know.

2:13:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That is coming now. You were talking about something and I was like, we haven't been able to cure some of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind. but technology has gone so far in so many other aspects.

2:13:50Joe Rogan:There's also the financial incentive is not to cure. It's to treat. Of course. Which is unfortunate. I mean, one of the...

2:13:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's what makes the most sense.

2:13:59Joe Rogan:A guy who used to work at Pfizer said that if we ever came up with some sort of a... I think it was Pfizer. One of the pharmaceutical guitar companies said if we ever came up with a cure, they buried it. He goes, we don't want cures. We want treatments.

2:14:09Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I mean, that's the conspiracy. I lost my dad to cancer and I kept thinking about, like, how is it possible that we live in a world where technology is able to provide so much to us and not be able to have cures to diseases like that? Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies in weird ways to keep us sick.

2:14:34Joe Rogan:Like if you make more money if people are sick and they need more medication, unfortunately there's a financial incentive to keep people sick. Like you would like them to be more sick. That way you make more money. And if you are a CEO of a corporation, you actually have an obligation to your shareholders to make more money. So if you know of something, like all those people need to do is just stop doing that. If I just put that on my sub stack and then they go, oh, this will kill our stock, I'll keep it to myself.

2:15:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:That's crazy, man

2:15:04Joe Rogan:Crazy, yeah It's demonic What the fuck? It's kind of demonic It's kind of There's weird aspects Like, I don't know If I really believe in demons But I definitely believe In demonic acts And there's certain things That human beings have done And do do That are very demonic Like, if you were possessed By a demon You would drop A nuclear bomb on a city You know The demon would go There's only one way To stop this Yeah You gotta kill everybody In that city Just drop it. Drop it. That's why you would do it. I'm not saying that's why it was done, but I am saying that if a demon could convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because a person with a conscious would be like, well, these are just people down there.

2:15:47Joe Rogan:They have nothing to do with this war. It doesn't make any sense at all. These are just people living their lives. They have their families, and we're just going to incinerate an entire city with one bomb that I drop out of a plane? That's crazy.

2:16:00Priyanka Chopra Jonas:You just press a button.

2:16:01Joe Rogan:Yeah. And as technology advances it gets easier and easier to do that. You know in these war games that they played with AI, they've used nuclear weapons almost every time they could. Oh my god. Yeah. They have no reason. If they want to achieve a result, they realize they have a nuclear weapon. Why wouldn't they use that? Use that. Oh my god. I think it was something like 90 plus percent of the time they've done these war games, these simulated war games the AI programs have used nuclear weapons to them it's like I don't understand you're gonna kill a hundred thousand people over a course of five years of prolonged on the ground do it now do it once like if if they had done what's happened to Gaza if they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands of bombs would that somehow less humane would that be more barbaric if Israel just said oh okay we're gonna nuke Gaza the world would have gone crazy it would be like you can't do that this is horrible I mean the world has already gone kind of crazy for what they did do but if they achieved the exact same result but instantaneously instead of over a course of a couple of years how do you think people would react it's kind of weird all of it is awful it's horrible I just

2:17:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:like just the capacity of the thing also is when you think about what drives human beings to do the things that they do right it's the devil talking to you the conflict of interest within yourself but also thousands of years of history isn't it

2:17:47Joe Rogan:yeah and it's we've become accustomed to it it's normal

2:17:52Priyanka Chopra Jonas:like it's normalized for us so much but it's like there's there's so many aspects to to every conflict which is so hard to simplify into like why not only that there's a lot of stuff that's

2:18:08Joe Rogan:going on behind the scenes that you're never privy to so you just get narratives that are fed

2:18:12Priyanka Chopra Jonas:to you by bureaucrats and politicians or whatever little information that comes at you yeah and so

2:18:18Joe Rogan:So, you know, and then there's this, in this country in particular, there's the right versus the left. And the left will blame it on the right and the right will blame it on the left. And then, you know, everybody has these very convenient CNN, Fox News narratives that they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops and cocktail parties. And you pretend that you're making sense out of this thing when you don't even really know what's going on behind the scenes. That's why I really feel like I feel like a lot of times we've been given a platform to talk, right, with social media.

2:18:51Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Like everyone can talk and there's a power to that. But there's also a big misuse of it where you really don't know and you're not the authority on perspective at all because there's so much that you would probably not know of history and the geography and of why people behave the way they are behaving. So I like to, unless I'm the expert on something, which I'm not on anything except my job, that too limited. You know, I just try to kind of have a larger understanding from a human perspective. That's a great sign of intelligence because there's no way you can know everything about everything.

2:19:37Joe Rogan:And with certain things, especially a global conflict, you're like, what is happening? Like, why is this going on? Like I was telling you about when I went on the deep dive of the East India Corporation. I never had any idea that they went to war with China over opium. Yeah. Got them addicted first. Yeah. Got them addicted, went to war with China, stole Hong Kong. Yeah. Like, what?

2:20:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:The gravity of manipulation in human history is insane. Like, even when the East India Company, and they started with trading with India, too, many, many years ago. We just got out. Started innocent. Yeah, completely. We're friends. We're, you know, allies. We're friends with all the royalty in India. There's so many royals in India and royal. Each state had their own kings and princes and became friends with everyone. Started with tea, started with trading tea and spices and then just went into, you know, I mean, we got our independence in 1947, which was it's not even 100 years since we've got our independence.

2:20:43Priyanka Chopra Jonas:It's that recent. But do you think about just within the last century, there were, you know, signs which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India by the British, like within this century.

2:21:00Joe Rogan:Indians and dogs.

2:21:02Priyanka Chopra Jonas:In India. Wow. Isn't that crazy? And this is like the, this is not even like, this is the head of the iceberg. There's so much more when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization, which is why this movie was also so interesting to me because it touches on the themes of the colonized and the story from their perspective, which is not a lot of what we hear.

2:21:28Joe Rogan:No. Not at all. I mean, there's a lot of great historical elements in that. Just the pirate thing alone. The fact that most of the time in human history when a boat showed up, there was a real fucking problem.

2:21:41Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. And what real, real pirates like we've gotten so used to, you know, with the Disney version of the and I love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Don't get me wrong. They're so fun. But like the pirate jokes and whatever. But they were fucking brutal. They were murderers like horrific monsters. Horrible life. Yeah, I had a joke about that once.

2:22:03Joe Rogan:Like, why is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween? Why? You know how crazy it is for little kids? Yeah. You're a murderer rapist for Halloween. Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook. He lost his hand raping. I mean, that was what the pirates were. It's true. They were monsters. They were horrific monsters. And they would travel around the world just stealing people's stuff and killing everybody. Yeah, and that happened for thousands of years.

2:22:29Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And helping with colonization for years.

2:22:31Joe Rogan:The fact that they were soldiers for the East India Corporation, they were actually working for them to go and take over these areas.

2:22:38Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And the best soldiers from around the world. Yeah, mercenaries. The best mercenaries, murderers from around the world.

2:22:43Joe Rogan:They had a larger army than most European countries. Yeah, so much.

2:22:47Priyanka Chopra Jonas:A corporation.

2:22:48Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:22:49Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So much. An army.

2:22:51Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah, essentially. Yeah. But started off just trading, just super innocent.

2:22:56Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Hi, I'm your friend and I'm here for your band. And they would be so respectful with, you know, the former kings and queens. And it's wild, the manipulation of it.

2:23:07Joe Rogan:Well, it's also wild how when you do have an obligation to your shareholders and you do have this mandate to just constantly make more money, the morals go out the window. And next thing you know, East India Corporation is involved in slavery. They're involved in opium trade.

2:23:22Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Divide and conquer, where they would get all the princes of each state to fight amongst each other. So instead of India being collective and together, she was like divided between everyone fighting for each other so they could take over. It's like mental games.

2:23:39Joe Rogan:Well, that's what people think is going on in America right now. I mean. I think that's the manipulation of the right versus the left here when most people kind of want the same thing. They just want to be healthy and safe and have their families healthy and safe. And do your job and come back home. That's what most people want. Yeah. But then the division is like constantly in the news. It's constant struggle. It's the only thing that you hear about. Yeah. We're both dumb and stupid. And smart.

2:24:08Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Smart and stupid at the same time.

2:24:10Joe Rogan:Smart and stupid at the same time. But more dumb. And that's the other thing about technology. It allows you to stay dumb because everything's done for you. You don't really have to think outside the box that much. Everything's kind of laid out for you.

2:24:24Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Like if you think about AI in Hollywood now. That's weird, right? It's like if you, it's in writer's rooms. It's used as a tool. But I was listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show and you guys were talking about, you know, like basically everything that AI has or the information that it provides to you is an average of everything that's out there, right? So it'll never be excellent. Because it's the average of all the information out there. So it's like trying to do a median. But I'm just thinking about how it's become a tool that is going to exist in our world. now the question is the morality of it and the lines that we draw where we protect human beings and human contribution and are able to delineate the difference between what is created by ai and what is not you know and the the need for i think um human flaws are something that i don't know if AI will be able to recreate anytime soon.

2:25:38And that, like, in art, that's what you need, right?

2:25:43Joe Rogan:Yeah, you'll get facsimiles. Yeah. But you won't get the real thing. It's like the hollowness of AI music. AI music is really fun, but after a while you realize there's not a dude singing this.

2:25:54Priyanka Chopra Jonas:And there's not, like, a soul to it. It's weird.

2:25:56Joe Rogan:It's empty.

2:25:57Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah.

2:25:57Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:25:58Priyanka Chopra Jonas:So far, but who knows?

2:25:59Joe Rogan:That's the problem. it could figure out a way to manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful music is or whatever the soul is.

2:26:10Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about like being an actor. I was like, is that going to be obsolete? Obsolete in the next like 10 years? Are we going to be watching?

2:26:19Joe Rogan:It kind of could be.

2:26:21Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Are we going to be watching like really good AI actors?

2:26:27Joe Rogan:Probably. You know? Until. I need to find a new job. Well, I think a lot of people are going to have to find a new job. I think live performances, plays and musicals and stuff like that, people are always going to want to see people do something live. For sure. Yeah. Well, when it comes to cinema, especially because I feel like audiences also love larger-than-life cinema, right?

2:26:50Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Like we go to the theaters to watch this, like, big shit. We loved when VFX came into movies. we love the imagination being able to be so big i do think ai helps in a big way to take away the burdens of you know the minutiae of things that we might have to do as a tool which it can do like a breakdown of a script or whatever but i think when it comes to like creating the human fragility of life and story, it is still a little bit away from being able to do that.

2:27:27Joe Rogan:Yeah. I think it's always going to be like pop. Yeah. It's never going to create like taxi driver.

2:27:34Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Yeah. Yeah.

2:27:35Joe Rogan:Yeah. You need, I mean, but I might be wrong about that too. Yeah. Who knows? It might not even matter by the time it starts taking over all of our resources.

2:27:44Priyanka Chopra Jonas:I'm so curious, actually, to see how many conversations that everyone, all of us have had about, you know, this emergence of AI and how that, like, stays 10 years later. Are we like this? Did this age well? Probably not. Did I know what I was talking about?

2:27:59Joe Rogan:We probably have no idea what's going on. No, no chance. It's probably going to be so crazy.

2:28:03Priyanka Chopra Jonas:We don't have any idea about this, like where we would be right now.

2:28:06Joe Rogan:It might be Dr. Manhattan floating over the country telling us what to do. It's possible. I don't know. But thank you for being here. I really enjoyed it. It was a really fun conversation. Thank you. And I really enjoyed your movie. It was crazy violent. I didn't expect that, but very exciting and very good.

2:28:23Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Thank you for taking me around the world and everywhere else. We time traveled. We talked about the whole world. We went into history. We went into the future. It was awesome.

2:28:33Joe Rogan:Well, congratulations to you and continued success. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

2:28:39Priyanka Chopra Jonas:Bye.

2:28:46We'll be right back.