#2468 - Luke Grimes

10:10Luke Grimes:Yeah. Well, I get it in droves and way more for the music than the acting. But it's again, I've been acting in film and TV for over 20 years now. When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you? The very first show I played, I was. Thirty nine. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Like I had done karaoke before. Right. But, you know, I it kind of came about in the weirdest way. I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music manager, Matt Graham, He was a great manager and a really good friend of mine. But he called and said, hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I know that you're a musician.

10:53And, you know, I love Yellowstone.

10:55Luke Grimes:I love you on that show. Is that something that you would want to take seriously? And I was like, like, what does that mean? He's like, I bet I could get you a record deal. And I was like, no, man, that's no, no, I don't want to do that. And we talked for two years. And over the course of the two years, I really started to trust him. He sort of like explained to me what, you know, what would be required. And long story short, my father passed away somewhere in there. And sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like, if there's anything you want to do, while you're here, do it.

11:28Luke Grimes:And something about that moment, I was like, I'm just going to fucking do it. I don't care. What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor who made a goofy album. So what? I got to do it. So I did. And then immediately, it's like, well, now you have to go tour it. otherwise you know they're not going to put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it you know so the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying it and so yeah first show it was in Billings Montana for I think it was 1200 people whoa this place called I think it was pub station what was that like first time dude dude I blacked out like not drinking like I just blacked out on nerves dude like it you know it started my knees were shaking my hands were shaking this is before I knew about like beta blockers or anything like that and I the show was over and I was like how was that was that okay how how'd that go and everything was good you know it's good I was fine the fourth show I ever played was stagecoach whoa yeah um that's nuts it was crazy I mean it was earlier in the day it's not like I had you know 100 ,000 people out there but still that's a big stage that's a big stage and um yeah so but you know little by little it got somewhat better i don't black out anymore i kind of i know where i'm at and i'm there but it's still something i deal with oliver anthony the first show he ever played live

12:56Joe Rogan:in front of people was like 20 000 people it's so nuts that's insane wasn't it like that it was huge It was a gigantic crowd. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Because he got really famous before he ever went on tour. That one song, Richmond, North of Richmond, that song instantly made him famous. He rode a rocket, dude.

13:22Luke Grimes:That rarely happens. Few people know that feeling. I can't imagine.

13:27Joe Rogan:He was freaking out. I became friends with him right when it was happening because he was like a little lost and he said a bunch of people I go let's talk so we got on the phone like it was before he had you know he'd gotten a ton of record deals and all these different people were saying you know hey sign with me we'll give you a x amount of money in advance I go don't sign nothing and he was like everybody's telling me that I gotta act strike while the iron's caught I go no no no no I go dude you got talent like you got real talent you're always gonna have talent It's just a matter of putting in the work and you're gonna be huge.

14:03Joe Rogan:You don't need these people. These people are all vampires They're all just trying to suck on your neck. Don't let them don't let them Thank God he listened because he was getting offers like seven million dollars and shit And he he was a fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know, and so then all sudden he's like what the fuck is going on? One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field and that's all it took That's amazing.

14:27Luke Grimes:I mean, it's how it should be, right? I have the complete opposite story. That story's not cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor, and I got a record deal for no reason.

14:35Joe Rogan:Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted to do it, because you're interested in that, too. Like, you can do anything you want to do. Just because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do it.

14:46Luke Grimes:Right, but I think, you know, a lot of the thing with music is the story of the person. So I knew going in, like, I don't have the best story. I do come from nothing, and I did work my ass off to become an actor and all that. But, you know, my way into the music was a little wonky.

15:02Joe Rogan:Well, sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit. Yeah, yeah. Because you have this thing over your head where they're like, fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker. TV star, motherfucker. Fuck that dude. Fuck Casey Dutton. There we go.

15:17Luke Grimes:So the music's going to have to be good enough. Yeah. That's just sort of the thing.

15:20Joe Rogan:That's all it is. It just will force you to work harder, but it's just everybody's story is different. That's what makes it fun. If everybody had the same story, you know. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right? You've done that. Yeah, I've been super lucky, you know. I'm just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like, you know. There wasn't. Well, there wasn't for this one. Yeah. This one, there was other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time. It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife always joke around about because like one time she was taking the kid We were all supposed to go to Disneyland, but I had to do this podcast Oh my god, she was like you don't have to do it.

15:58I go but I do I do it every week

16:01Joe Rogan:But it wasn't really making any money back then but it was like I promised people would be out Like I gotta do it now. She's like thank God You didn't listen to me.

16:12Joe Rogan:It's just, I mean, I got lucky. I came in right at the right time. There was only a few people doing it back then. And I just did it for fun. I just thought that would be fun to do. And then all of a sudden it became a job. Yeah.

16:25Luke Grimes:And with the UFC stuff too. Yeah.

16:27Joe Rogan:That too. That was fun too. Did you think that would become what it became? When I first started doing it was in 1997. And it was in a high school auditorium. in Dothan, Alabama. And we had to take a propeller plane to get there. And it was banned from cable, so you could only watch it on direct TV. This was UFC 12. And there was no one in the audience, and no one was watching it. And I was already on a TV show. It was on news radio. And the people on news radio, the actors and the producers, they were like, what are you doing? You're flying to go do cage fighting? It was almost like I was doing porn.

17:06Joe Rogan:or fucking snuff films or something it's like dude you're gonna ruin your life doing this i was like i don't i don't know what you guys are talking about this is what i've always wanted to see i've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together nobody ever did it these guys are doing it i'm gonna go yeah like this is i remember renting the like

17:24Luke Grimes:first few from blockbuster yeah it was like blood sport back oh yeah oh it changed my life i got ufc

17:31Joe Rogan:G2 was the first one. The first one wasn't available. You had to get two was the only one. And it was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it. He's like, dude, you got to see this thing, man. He goes, they got these guys. They're fighting in a cage. And this one dude's just choking everybody. And he's wearing a gi. I was like, really? What is it? And then I watched it. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. I was hooked, like, right away. I was like, they fucking did it. They actually did it. Because, like, when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were. If you did karate, you thought karate was the best.

18:02Joe Rogan:If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art because nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC. Right. So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life. I was like, I'm not going to not do this just because it's bad for my acting career. I'm like, if my acting career goes away, I don't, you know, whatever. I'm only doing this for money anyway. So I was like, I'll just figure it out.

18:28Luke Grimes:you were the only person in LA with that mentality by the way that really served you well well I

18:33Joe Rogan:wasn't supposed to be in LA you know I mean I only came to LA for money I and I would have moved back I was living in New York and um I did a show called hardball and that got canceled and the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment I was fully ready to get out of there I was like I gotta get the fuck out of this place I hated it I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers and casting agents. I was like, these people are so fake. I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players, like the rawest, funniest, like outcasts of society. Like those were my people.

19:11Joe Rogan:I was used to like cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on each other and everybody had a great sense of humor, just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that like all had these like predetermined things that they thought they should say so they would say them you know and everybody had like it was all group think it was like oh this is fucking horrible yeah i always say that

19:33Luke Grimes:felt like when i lived in l i lived in l.a for 16 years and and you know i don't want to complain about it i was obviously good to me like it you know helped my life quite a bit but it always felt like everybody was trying to become the same person yeah but they don't know who that person is i'm like can we can you just tell me who the person is so i can right you know what i mean And there's like a memo that went out that I didn't get.

19:55Joe Rogan:Yeah. So nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear, you know, and they were just it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be. So everybody would sort of adapt. Like whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not a good sign. Like that something's gone wrong. And everybody has these progressive left wing politics, regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense. They all just sort of spit it out.

20:22Luke Grimes:Well, I think it's just that there is sort of a desperation that gets bred from, I mean, these people left their families. They moved away. They left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to follow this dream. Yeah. And so that dream becomes more and more and more important. You need it more and more because now you have nothing else. Yeah. You've given everything else up. And so I think at that point you can sort of mold people into whatever you'd like them to do.

20:49Joe Rogan:Oh, for sure. It ruins comics. Yeah. because when comics start doing well, as soon as they start getting on television, the first thing they start doing is tempering their material. They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything that can get you in trouble. Generally, those are the funniest things. The funniest things are the things that can go terribly wrong and get you in trouble. So they do that. Then they become like an—I always call it the velvet prison because you get locked into that velvet prison. You get on TV, you get money, but also you become just one of everybody else.

21:28Luke Grimes:Yeah. It's hard not to do. I mean, that's where I'm at. You know, I still have a boss.

21:33Joe Rogan:Yeah.

21:34Luke Grimes:You know, my checks are written by a very specific company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes. I know. You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a little bit. I don't want to do that to you and sit here and like police myself the whole time. But I got to be like, just don't say this. Right.

21:49Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People come in here and I could see it in their face. Like, please don't bring up anything crazy. No trans talk. For sure, dude. Let's stay away from that today. Yeah, people, I mean, it's, you know, it's a tricky situation. And the thing about L.A. too is everybody has to get picked for stuff. Yeah. It's not like even like music, like especially look at Oliver Anthony. No music deal, no nothing. and just put something on YouTube, blows up. That's a real, in this day and age, that's a real thing. But in acting, it's still, you have to get chosen. You have to get cast for something.

22:29Joe Rogan:And just that weird thing alone, where you're going into this thing, and these people have to approve you. And most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place, a large percentage of them, they did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger. And this is like, they just want to make up for it. Well, that's why I became a comedian, I'm pretty sure. You know, it's all the same kind of mindset. Like there's something about you that wants to be famous. Right. You know, unless you're like someone who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know.

23:01Luke Grimes:Right. Which how could you be when, you know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was like five years old. Really? I didn't know what the craft of acting was. My thing, though, honestly, was I loved movies so much. I think I just because I I I liked them more than my life. you know I wanted to live in the movie I didn't know what making them would actually be like I didn't know what that career looked like I didn't know what acting was but I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it and I'd also see the guy and I don't know whatever the skill set was I was like whatever they're doing I think I can do that I think I have whatever that is and you know thank god I was at least somewhat right or I'd be waiting tables in LA right now well it's an

23:45Joe Rogan:Interesting thing, right? Because it's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life, right? Like you're pretending, but you're acting and behaving in a way that people do act and behave. Like that's the key to it. It has to be believable.

24:05Luke Grimes:Yeah.

24:05Joe Rogan:So most people watch it go, I can do that. Like this is normal life. They're just acting like they're in normal life.

24:14Luke Grimes:Right. Right. But what you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face and 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done. So they can do their job.

24:22Joe Rogan:Sipping coffee. Shaking their head.

24:28Joe Rogan:If you fuck up a line like, oh, yeah, fucking unprofessional. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a weird gig, man. It's a weird gig. And it's not what most people think it is. And you could tell that by like the masters, the real masters. You know, when you see like Daniel Day-Lewis do it, you're like, okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that. That's a fucking totally different thing. Right. This guy's in some weird place where Gary Oldman becomes a different person every movie and you believe it. Yeah. That's the real craft of it, right? Where like I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right? But he's different and now he's Dracula and I believe it.

25:06Joe Rogan:He's amazing. Both of those guys. Amazing. You ever watch that show, Slow Horses? I love it. It's a fucking great show, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season. I'm hooked. Somebody told me about it, and I was a little skeptical at first. I was like, all right.

25:20Luke Grimes:And you never see a lead, your number one, be a total piece of shit. Right.

25:26Joe Rogan:Total piece of shit. Except Tony Soprano. There you go.

25:29Luke Grimes:Yeah.

25:29Joe Rogan:Yeah. That was a weird show, right? A guy was a murderer and a thief, and you love him. You loved him. He was so good. Yeah, there was another guy, Gandolfini, man. You fucking believed him.

25:42Luke Grimes:And there wasn't acting like that in television yet.

25:45Joe Rogan:No.

25:46Luke Grimes:That was like the first of its kind.

25:47Joe Rogan:Yeah.

25:48Luke Grimes:And even within that show, he was doing something no one else was doing.

25:52Joe Rogan:Right.

25:52Luke Grimes:And that's hard to keep up for, you know, if you do it for a film, you're doing it for a couple months, you know, at that level of intensity. But to do that for seven years, for months and months at a time, is impossible.

26:04Joe Rogan:Well, there was a danger in his eyes, like a real danger. Like there's something about that dude. That dude's got, or while he was alive, he had demons in his brain. Like you could tell. Right. Like there was moments, these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something. You're like, that's coming from a real place. Right. That guy, you know, there's some guys who play tough guys in movies. Like, I'm not buying it. but with that guy you're like oh okay this this guy could kill somebody you don't want to piss him off in real life well he's also out of fucking control you know you ever uh see the list of the things that he consumed before he died i have seen that it's bananas yeah i mean he was just off the rails crazy out of his fucking mind but i've seen the hunter s thompson one oh dude we narrated it we read it and then this guy what was the dude what's the guy's name that turned it into a song?

27:04I don't know.

27:09Joe Rogan:There's a dance song like an electric music dance song with me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons. We're reading off Hunter S. Thompson's like his daily routine. Beardy Man. Beardy Man, yeah. Shout out to Beardy Man. It's pretty dope. Play it. Fuck it. Can we? Are we getting in trouble? can isn't the right word to ask we can what would happen we lose like revenue changes and stuff like that for sure yeah 100 all right don't play it i'll listen to it after sorry yeah well i'll send it to you but it's uh it's a bananas routine and you know at the end of his life i'm a giant hunter s thompson fan as you can tell and walking through all the artwork but at the end of his life like He couldn't even talk.

27:59Joe Rogan:He did an appearance once on Conan O 'Brien, and to me it was one of the saddest things. You could barely understand what he was saying. He's just mumbling, and when he was young, he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating, and it just drugs, just drugs and booze just cooked his brain. I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I've never read any of his stuff. Really? No, I haven't. Oh, just read, just start off with Fear and Loathing. Okay. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a, he got an assignment to cover, I think it was a motorcycle race. That was the job. So I think it was for Sports Illustrator or something like that.

28:41Joe Rogan:He got a job to just cover a race. And he goes down there and just brings every kind of fucking drug known to man, Drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend and just writes this insane book It's completely insane has nothing to do with this motorcycle race It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas, and it's brilliant It's so good check it out. Do you like Vegas? I? Mean I'm there a lot for fights and when I go we go to a restaurant. I go play pool I go to the fights I don't do anything else so it's like for me it's like yeah there's great restaurants you know the fights are awesome I love doing that so it's like but there's something about it where I ever every time I go there I'm like can I live here like I was actually talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend we were just there for the fights and um I was saying like what if a I would because you know Kill Tony's this gigantic show now it's huge he sells out arenas all over the country with it it's on netflix and i was saying like what if a vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money would you do you think you could ever live here and we're just sitting there he's like i don't know i don't want to do it i don't think i could do it because i i think it's like sleeping next to a vampire like even if you know that the vampire's in the other room he's not going to bite your neck it's like he's right there you know yeah for sure i don't think it's good for you vegas to me is like you know when you

30:16Luke Grimes:you have a big night out on a certain type of booze and you get sick and then anytime you drink that booze after that that's vegas right anytime i land in vegas i'm like oh i just feel gross

30:27Joe Rogan:because i remember the last time i was there or the first time yeah it's i think the people that live outside of vegas like people live in henderson and places like that they love it Because it's really nice out there. Like, you go out to the outskirts of Vegas, there's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and, like, great stores and restaurants and stuff. It's nice. But you're still next to the Death Star. Right. It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's money out of them. I've never been off the Strip. Maybe I should try that out. Yeah. Yeah. There's great restaurants and great neighborhoods.

31:03Joe Rogan:Like, it's fine outside. But the reason why they're there is because of the Death Star. Like, that's what brings everybody there. You know, everybody's there to just lose all their money. Yeah, make really bad decisions. Like, all my friends who gamble, when I would go there with them, I'd go, look at this place. See how big it is? How do you think they got that money? Suckers like you.

31:27Joe Rogan:This isn't like a fair exchange. Like, they're giving you goods and you're giving them money. No, this is like they're giving you this like crazy proposition where you think you're going to play blackjack and win a billion dollars. Yeah. And if you win too much money, they kick you out. Did you ever gamble? Was that ever? No. No. No, no, no, no, no. Not really. I mean, I've bet some money on fights. I've played blackjack a few times, but I've never lost any real money. But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate, like a crazy degenerate. That's what I heard. I went to visit him recently.

32:00Joe Rogan:So he was at Red Rocks Casino. And a couple of my other buddies were there. So we showed up and went into the blackjack room and he was there. And when I got there, he was down$600 ,000. When I got there. And it was a normal night for him. And he wasn't even nervous. He was like, hey, what's up? He's shaking my hand, give me a hug. All these other people are there. And I got fucking massive anxiety.

32:24Luke Grimes:Yeah.

32:24Joe Rogan:I was like, this is crazy. How are you? And then so him and Jamie was there too. And him and Taylor LeJuan, the football player, he coaches Taylor how to play blackjack. And so they got together. He tells them when to hit and when not to hit. And they did it right next to us. Within five minutes, Taylor was down$125 ,000. Jesus. I was like, what are you doing? Oh, man.

32:48Luke Grimes:Yeah. That makes me nervous just thinking about it.

32:50Joe Rogan:He got up, and then they quit. So he quit ahead. I think he won like$100 ,000. And then he quit.

32:55Luke Grimes:And then they moved on to backtrack because you can bet more per hand. that that's what they're doing now yeah it's like up to 500k per hand or something like that which one's baccarat how do you play that i i've tried to watch it i don't really quite understand

33:06Joe Rogan:it's apparently not hard you're betting on the dealer or the player is that the big long table

33:13Luke Grimes:with all the i don't understand it it's not like it's not as long as uh like roulette so dana's onto that now or taylor i think that room they switched them all to baccarat so you can gamble

33:24Joe Rogan:more?

33:26Luke Grimes:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Definitely more, faster.

33:29Joe Rogan:He's mainlining the gamble now. He told a story on, I think it was, was it flagrant? It was flagrant, where he talked about losing like$6 million in one night. Yeah, what? Yeah. That's my theory about slap fight, why they're doing slap fight. I think it's Dana's gambling money.

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34:23Joe Rogan:plain wrong bro sky coin way better than points never fly during a scorpio full moon just tell the manager you'll sue instant room upgrade stop taking bad travel advice start comparing

34:38Luke Grimes:hundreds of sites with kayak and get your trip right bad advice you talking to me kayak got that right that's what I think I think it's like it needs some source of revenue

34:51Joe Rogan:outside of the UFC so doesn't doesn't lose his UFC money that's tough to watch

34:55Luke Grimes:man I don't watch it yeah I've watched a couple of clips sorry Dana I know yeah but it's tough to watch I don't like just people getting brain damage over and over again yeah it's not my thing I don't get it it's and it's all like the

35:07Joe Rogan:saddest people getting whacked in the head it's not a good thing not good yeah They call it fights, too. Like, okay. Okay, I know. I mean, I guess. You should come up with another name. It's kind of insulting to an actual fight.

35:20Luke Grimes:Right.

35:20Joe Rogan:But that's my theory, is that that's his gambling money, because that fucking dude gambles. Because I asked him once, I go, you like living here? He goes, I love the action. I'm like, okay. I mean, he's a good friend of mine, but he's a different person than me. That's awesome. I'm not, that's not me. Yeah. If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas. And even then, I don't think I could do it. Because we've talked about, you know, we have a comedy club in town, the Comedy Mothership. And we talked about doing another mothership somewhere. And the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas.

35:57Joe Rogan:So we talked about doing one in Vegas. But I was like, man, the only way it would work is I'd have to be there a lot. Like, we'd have to be there a lot. and we'd have to make sure that it's run right, that it's like run with the same vibe that we run it here, where everybody's cool, there's no assholes, everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians. And then I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like, I don't want to do that.

36:21Luke Grimes:Right. Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something? Is that where you started?

36:27Joe Rogan:Yeah, I mean, I started in Boston, but I did spend a lot of time in New York. New York would be a better option, really, because there's a lot more talent there. And in order to have a really good comedy club, you can't just start it out. Like, you can't just go, like, to Columbus, Ohio, or Cincinnati. I guess Columbus has, like, a little bit of a scene. But you would have to have a real scene with, like, real headliners and, like, top-level talent. Right. And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic. Like, me and Tony moved. Ron White moved here first.

37:02Joe Rogan:and then me and Tony moved here and then once we started doing shows, we were talking to all our friends in L.A. and L.A. was shut down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kind of moved out here at least temporarily because comedians are junkies. Like, they want to go on stage and it was taken away from them for a year and a half in L.A. Couldn't perform in L.A. for a year and a half. Made no fucking sense. And out here, we were just doing shows like in November of 2020. Like, it was indoor shows. and super spreader shows. And so because of that -

37:36Luke Grimes:Super spreader. I forgot about that word.

37:37Joe Rogan:Tom Segura moved here. Christina Pazitsky moved here. Tim Dillon moved here. I mean, it's just like Shane Gillis moved here. It was like we had so many national headliners we could pull off a club. Yeah. But you have to have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows. It has to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with. The infrastructure. Yeah.

38:03Luke Grimes:I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.

38:07Joe Rogan:Oh, really?

38:07Luke Grimes:My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019. She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio. So we had no, there was nowhere we were going to live or it was going to feel like home. But we, you know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years. I was ready to get out. We wanted to start a family somewhere else. And we didn't know where to go. So we came here in December of 2019. And we had the best two months ever. and then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody. And, you know, it didn't really get a fair shake. We loved it while it was going. And then, yeah, I did about two months of lockdown, couldn't do it anymore.

38:43Luke Grimes:And then we bought an Airstream and just started traveling around. And then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone. And we parked the Airstream up there and never left. Oh, wow.

38:54Joe Rogan:Montana's fucking awesome. It's the best. It's so great. It's so beautiful. Last time I was there was in the summer. Well, actually, last time I was there, I was hunting with Bourdain. We went pheasant hunting there. That was pretty cool.

39:06Luke Grimes:Oh, yeah.

39:07Joe Rogan:Yeah, it was one of the last times I saw him.

39:08Luke Grimes:What part?

39:09Joe Rogan:Oh, I forget. I forget where we were. I'm pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings. Okay. I forget. But the summer there is insane. Yeah, perfection. It's so beautiful. perfection everything's green you see the mountains we heard wolves howling one one night and you see elk herds just chilling on the side of a hill like god this place is magical and it doesn't

39:40Luke Grimes:get dark till like 11 at night right yeah it's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner because you're just like it's light for so long but then in the winter time the you know the

39:50Joe Rogan:exchanges it gets dark at 4 30 p.m right but yeah we love it man it's the best thing that

39:55Luke Grimes:has ever happened for me. It was just sort of like all the L.A. stuff we were talking about.

40:00Joe Rogan:It's the opposite of that.

40:01Luke Grimes:The opposite. I have no FOMO about anything anymore. Oh, that's great. I can just think and sleep and read and watch films, and it's the best. Yeah.

40:10Joe Rogan:Well, your show made a lot of fucking people move out there, though.

40:14Luke Grimes:That's true. Yeah. And they're not happy about it. The valley that I live in, we had some people come visit us. Our friends from California drove out, and we went on a hike. and we were in their car and they had, you know, Cali plates. And we get off the hike and someone had written, go back in the dust on their car. Like people are super weird about it. So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get really mad at me.

40:38Joe Rogan:Dude, that happened in 2012. I was hunting in Montana. We went to the Missouri Breaks and we were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant, he had his car parked outside and it was like a rental car and someone had wrote go back home you know like Montana's for Montanans or something like that they wrote it in the dirt right which is dumb because if they have

41:02Luke Grimes:the plates they clearly aren't living there you know right yeah they're going back yeah but it's

41:08Joe Rogan:just retards you're gonna get retards in every state like if you have a hundred people one of them's a fucking idiot sure right and if you got a town of you know x amount of a hundred thousand people, you're going to have a good amount of fucking dumbasses. For sure. Those are the ones like, this is our place.

41:24Luke Grimes:We own it. This is our dirt. Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point.

41:29Joe Rogan:Exactly.

41:29Luke Grimes:You know, somewhere along the line, someone moved there. And all you did was stay.

41:33Joe Rogan:Exactly.

41:33Luke Grimes:You didn't do anything that cool. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly.

41:36Joe Rogan:Exactly.

41:36Luke Grimes:And that one guy, I can't go to bars there anymore because whatever that one idiot is is at the bar.

41:41Joe Rogan:Of course.

41:42Luke Grimes:And he can't wait to start a fight with me. Right. Just like can't wait to do it because like it's a win-win for him. you know he gets to sue me or something i don't know you know but it's a lose-lose for me so

41:51Joe Rogan:well it's just like his life is empty and it's like all of a sudden there's purpose and it's like you ruined montana fuck off right yeah or my favorite is when they call people colonizers that's my favorite like bro if you don't live in ethiopia someone in your ancestor was a colonizer oh 100 period yeah we all had to come from somewhere also isn't it like the most american

42:15Luke Grimes:thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live. That should be celebrated. It should be.

42:20Joe Rogan:The idea that we were here first. Those are the same idiots that hate when a band becomes successful. I knew them when they were underground. Now they sold out. It's just a moron mentality. You're always going to have that no matter where you go. But Montanans are fiercely proud of being from Montana.

42:37Luke Grimes:They'll always tell you what generation they are. Third generation Montana.

42:42Joe Rogan:That's so silly.

42:43Luke Grimes:Yeah. And I'm not Montana, but my son will be. Yeah. He can say that he is. Right. This generation. Right. It's like an anchor baby. Yeah.

42:55Joe Rogan:Yeah. He can go fly fishing and no one's going to give him a hard time. That's right. I was born here. Okay. Yeah. You're good. You're cool. You got a hall pass. Yeah. But like people that live in like that Yellowstone place, you know, that. Yellowstone club. Yeah. That place. Like those are like fake Montanans to Montanans. I have a buddy who lives up there, and he was saying, I don't know the fuck anybody would live up there. I'm like, because it's awesome. What's wrong with you? It's still Montana. Like, let it go.

43:20Luke Grimes:Right. They just had some problem with sewage being dumped into the river or something like that. The Yellowstone Club, dude? The Yellowstone Club. Oh, God. Yeah. The locals were very angry. And I don't know if that's locals, like, making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem, but they were saying that they were finding sewage from the Yellowstone Club in the local river there. Whoa. Yeah, you have to look that up.

43:40Joe Rogan:Oh, whoa. Yeah, that's not good. That's the problem with rich people. Yeah. Rich people are like, fuck everybody else. I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome. And the views, I've seen photographs of it. God, the fucking views there are insane. Yeah. I have multiple friends that live in Montana, and the thing about it is like, everybody will tell you, like, when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day, it like centers you and humbles you. That's exactly right. It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going to see. And it's around you all the time.

44:15Luke Grimes:And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window, and it looks like a painting. And it never gets old. You know, if we need to go to the grocery store, I'll do it. Because it's so fun to drive there. You know, you get out, you put some tunes on, it's the best thing ever. Versus like, living in L.A., to go anywhere was the worst thing ever. Yeah, everything's a pleasure up there, man. It's really, it's something. But if you need any sort of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like trying to meet a babe or something, it's not going to happen.

44:46Joe Rogan:There's no people, dude. Yeah, I get that. There's a little of that in Austin. They're upset that the Californians moved here. Yeah. They're upset. A lot of people blamed me and Elon. Sure. They blamed us for moving here and ruining Austin. Like, sorry, we made it more awesome. Fucking pussies. Shut your mouth. it's all the same thing it's like people that want credit for being here first like fuck off now you have more restaurants way more comedy there's like seven comedy clubs on my street now on the street where my club is there's seven comedy clubs now that's amazing it's like one of the big hubs of live comedy in the world now

45:25Luke Grimes:did it have it at all before?

45:27Joe Rogan:it had a couple places there was a place called Cap City that actually went under before the pandemic or actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic When I got here, it was for sale. And so I was looking at that place to buy it, but it didn't work out. And then there's another place that's been around forever called the Velveeta Room. It's a real small room. I think it seats like 100 or so. And then, you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy. And there was like a small scene of some comedians, but nothing like what it is now. Like it's not even comparable.

46:00Joe Rogan:I mean, there's like 17, 18 world-class comics that live here now. Wow. It's crazy.

46:06Luke Grimes:And talk about stage fright. I think that is, that would be the hardest art form. You have no help. There's nothing to hide behind. Right. There's no music. Right. There's like, it's just silence and you and a microphone.

46:19Joe Rogan:You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play and close your eyes.

46:24Luke Grimes:No, there was a film actually one time that I was attached to to play a stand-up comedian. And I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go, that I'd go do it. That I'd actually go out and, like, work up 15 minutes and just, you know, do it until I understood what it was like. And that movie fell through, and I was very, very happy about that because I didn't want to do it. It's hard.

46:48Joe Rogan:I bet, man. It's confusing because the people are just talking. You're like, why is that hard to do? Everybody talks. You know, like, everybody could tell a story. Everybody could. And it seems easy to do until you do it. And then you're like, oh, this is. but I was hooked right away because I sucked the first night that I bombed but I was like I got a couple of laughs on some things and I was like I think I can figure this out but I was like I said I was more scared than when I was fighting I was more scared before like a big fight like it was weird I was like why am I nervous I didn't make any sense my friend Whitney Cummings explained to me.

47:28Joe Rogan:She said, people have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged because they were going to kill you. Oh, interesting. Right. Yeah. Doesn't that make sense? Yeah. So if you're in front of people, they're all like, what did he do? You know, so you have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes.

47:55Luke Grimes:Yeah, I never thought about that.

47:56Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's what it is.

47:57Luke Grimes:Yeah, no place to hide, man. I don't know. That sounds scary. And especially if it starts going bad, like if you start to bomb. Is there any way out of that?

48:08Joe Rogan:People have recovered. Yeah, people have started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it. I've done it a couple of times. Most of the time when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever. You're going down. But there's a good to that. The good is you have to re-examine your material. Every time in my career, in the early days when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards. Because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I don't want to experience that again. And I really focused and really, really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around.

48:41Joe Rogan:You need losses. Losses are very important. They're important in fighting. They're important in life. Like one of my kids just had a breakup recently, and I had a conversation with her. I go, I know this sucks, but this is actually important. Like it has to happen. And I told her like about like the first time a girl broke up with me when I was 17. I was devastated.

49:04Luke Grimes:Oh, the worst.

49:05Joe Rogan:Oh, it's good. The worst feeling. Couldn't believe my life was over. I'm only 17. I'm never going to recover. I'm like, it's so important because you realize like as time passes, you understand that this is just a moment in time and there's other people you're going to meet and it's just you have to develop some resiliency some emotional resiliency right and so you have to experience that and you also have to realize that you know people they don't know what they're doing either like boys don't know what they're doing girls don't know what they're doing they're kind of figuring out as they go along that people break up and they make up and these are these These are lessons that you have to learn in life.

49:44Joe Rogan:And loss is important because it makes you understand, like, why did this person get sick of me? Why am I annoying? Why, you know, am I selfish? Like, what is it? What is wrong with me? You know, why am I picking these people that are going to break my heart? Why don't I adjust? Why don't I, like, maybe I should spend some time alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am. And those moments where you have to kind of go through things and figure them out, they're so important for you in life. And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best, like, motivating factors to take you to another level in your career.

50:24Joe Rogan:Or wreck your confidence forever. Right. Just like fighting.

50:28Luke Grimes:Yeah, I was going to say it happens to fighters a lot.

50:29Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. Some fighters lose and they're never the same again. And some fighters lose and then a new version of him emerges in the next fight. You're like, whoa, this dude dialed in.

50:39Luke Grimes:Who would be a good example of that?

50:40Joe Rogan:Charles Oliveira.

50:41Luke Grimes:Oh, yeah.

50:42Joe Rogan:Yeah. He's the best example of it. Because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter. Like he would just break. And now he's like one of the scariest motherfuckers alive. You know, I spent this last weekend, the fight with Max Holloway. Like, good Lord. Like, Max Holloway was a two to one favorite in that fight. He got shut out. Yeah. Like literally every round was a dominant performance by Oliveira. It was crazy.

51:05Luke Grimes:It's funny people complaining about that fight too. Because it was on the ground. Right.

51:10Joe Rogan:Yeah. My daughter complained about it. Did she? She's like, the main event was so boring. You're a casual. My kid's a casual.

51:18Luke Grimes:People love a slugfest, don't they?

51:20Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. They do. They do. They do love a slugfest. Yeah. But, you know, that's the sport. The sport is like sometimes it's going to be exciting and sometimes it's just going to be a ground battle. But for me, it was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether Max could get up, what he could do to prevent from getting taken down and whether or not he could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top. And, you know, when you're watching like a guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just you're in marvel. You're like, wow, this is crazy. I can't believe he's able to do this.

51:56Joe Rogan:This is nuts.

51:57Luke Grimes:I wish I would have started jujitsu when I was small. Because I tried in, like, you know, late 30s, and I was like, it was kind of like the golf thing, where I was like, well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf. But I was like, the amount of time it's going to take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered is going to be a long time. And I don't know if I have, I don't know if I can start now. You know what I mean? It takes forever. I'm sure. Yeah, like, how long would it take for, like, a grown person until you actually know what's going on intuitively, and it doesn't feel like chaos.

52:28Joe Rogan:Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively. Like there's guys, like even as a black belt, there's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated because they're just so much better than I am. Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi champion. Oh, cool. He's the greatest of all time, like in these 30. Yeah. The greatest grappler that's ever lived. That looks like human. He's a freak. He's amazing. But he trains 365 days a year. He does not take breaks off. Christmas, fuck you. It's your birthday, fuck you. Happy Easter, fuck you. He trains every day, and he trains like twice a day, three times a day.

53:05Joe Rogan:It's like that is the only way to be the greatest. And he's obviously a lot bigger than me, but it's not the best example. But he does that to heavyweight black belts, just humiliates them. He writes down on a piece of paper what he's going to do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight. So he's like, I'm going to triangle this guy. That's crazy. And he's doing it to world champions. It's amazing. Like guys who have been like multiple time world champions. Wow. And he's just predicting what he's going to do. And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that. Like he's having fun.

53:36Joe Rogan:He's like he's playing with his food. You know, so there's levels to stuff. So to be competent in rolling, you can get there in a couple years depending on how often you train. Like Bourdain got really serious at 58. Wow. At 58.

53:52Luke Grimes:That's when he started?

53:52Joe Rogan:That's when he started. Yeah. Oh when I first met him he wasn't training at all when I first met him He came to the UFC his wife was really into the UFC and she was she had just started doing jiu-jitsu and She was getting him into the sport. He really got interested in it And then she took him to jiu-jitsu classes like fuck. This is actually kind of fascinating Yeah, and he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life and then And like when he was 60, there's a photo of him like in his 60s. And he's walking down the street with his, he had gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl.

54:28Joe Rogan:And he's got this six pack and he looks shredded. And when I first met him, he was like doughy and he had a thumb ring. And he was like, you know, a chef and, you know, he was into drinking. And he just became a jujitsu addict. And he was training every fucking day. And sometimes twice a day. He would do a private lesson and then he would take a class every day. Yeah, he got a, and then he would, he told me he was, taken is like when we were hunting in montana he we were on the ground in montana he wanted to like learn some stuff so i was explaining him certain but like i'm like when you go for a darse there's a way to get there's a thing called a japanese necktie and i was explaining to him on the dirt i was like you guys all camoed out doing yes on the ground but he's like he was so interested in it that he was like constantly asking questions and he had guys that were in the crew that had also gotten interested in jujitsu because of him so like while he was there filming his show he also went down and was training he found a local jujitsu gym and he went down there and trained while he was there he would train everywhere on the road yeah he would go to like foreign countries and train like he didn't even speak the language and you know he's this fucking famous guy from tv and he's just rolling in there with like normal people and getting strangled

55:41Luke Grimes:58 man that's incredible i have no excuse i'm gonna start yeah do it i want to put it in front on my kid for sure oh definitely I mean as soon as he can do it I want him to try you know it's if he likes it or not but it's like I feel like it's one of those things it's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age it gives you confidence and then if you if you love it if he has a passion for it you don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something because you can't be both like right you know there's a few things where like you can't be

56:09Joe Rogan:both you've got to really give that everything also it becomes like a real source of confidence for kids. If they know that they can fight, like they can avoid fights. People won't want to fight them because they'll have a reputation. They can, it's very good to know. It's also like you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight because you know, like what people are doing and what they're not doing. You don't say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person into thinking that you're a tough guy. This is a quiet confidence that comes with these guys. And also if something does happen, most people have zero idea of how to fight.

56:46Joe Rogan:Zero. And they think they're just going to swing and hit you in the face and you see all this shit coming way before it happens. You see them moving their right foot back, like, oh God, here we go. It's like they're playing a game but they don't even know the rules. They don't even know the skill. They don't know anything but they've seen it on TV and they think they're going to be able to pull it off, especially if they're drunk.

57:08Luke Grimes:Oh yeah. There's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to fights on 6th Street here. Have you seen this? It's amazing, dude. It's incredible. You can just watch it for hours.

57:18Joe Rogan:I've seen a bunch, yeah. A lot of them taking place right in front of my club. Fights on the street are so scary because guys fall and they hit their head. That's how people die. People die where they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the ground.

57:34Luke Grimes:Or there's a lot of people out there that'll, when you're already out, step on your head. Oh, yeah. Kick your head. You see that a lot. Yeah. I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that. That's crazy to me. If you've won the fight already, move on. That's scary stuff. That's evil.

57:52Joe Rogan:There's some people that get red with rage and they lose their mind, and then they wind up in jail for the rest of their life, and they're just sitting in a cell going, what the fuck? One night, drunk, doing something stupid, and now I'm here forever. It's crazy.

58:05Luke Grimes:And someone's dead.

58:06Joe Rogan:And someone's dead. And someone's parents are crying and someone's missing their father. Like, fuck, man.

58:13Luke Grimes:Because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah. That's crazy.

58:15Joe Rogan:I know. People are retarded. Yeah, the best thing about fighting is it teaches you not to fight. Very few of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights. It almost never happens. It's just like, it's such a stupid thing to do.

58:30Luke Grimes:How many times in your life have you had to use it, like, practically in a real life scenario? Never. Really?

58:36Joe Rogan:Never. Not since I was in high school. I've never been in a fight fight, like an actual fight since high school. I'll avoid them. If I know I can fuck you up and I can just get away, I'm like, I'll just get away. I don't need to prove. What's the point? Also, here's the thing. People always say, oh, if I could fight, I'd fuck people up. Great. And then they're going to come back and kill you. And then they're going to run you over or shoot you. Don't be stupid. It's pointless. It's pointless. You know, I've had situations where I thought I was gonna have to fuck somebody up and I didn't but you have to have Self-control you have to you know, you have to be able to know and also like most people Like if they want to fight you all you have to do is kind of like put your hands up and move a little bit Like they're not gonna be able to do anything.

59:20Joe Rogan:They'll be swinging and you're just like come on. What are we doing here? Yeah, what are we doing and it's it's the only time people get hurt is when you engage Like you're both swinging at each other if someone's swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing They have almost no chance of hurting me like zero unless I'm asleep Unless I'm really drunk the almost zero chance of hitting me right unless you really know what to do If you really know how to fight most of those people really not a fight aren't fighting Aren't street fighting. Yeah, and I'm not gonna provoke anybody. I'm not gonna start a fight So it's like I mean I know a few of my friends that have had to fuck people up Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin.

59:59Joe Rogan:Yeah. No way. Oh, yeah, some homeless guy. He picked the wrong dude. Boy, did he. And Gordon tried to get out of it. The guy wouldn't, and he put him to sleep. Wow. Yeah. Put him to sleep and then called the cops, and the cops came and picked the guy up.

1:00:17Luke Grimes:Humiliating.

1:00:18Joe Rogan:Oh, my kids, the wrong guy. But that shows you how fucking stupid people are, because Gordon's a gorilla. He's this big giant 240 pound jack dude who's, you know, I don't know how many times Jiu Jitsu world champion and some fucking idiot. Right. Probably high out of his mind. Yeah, drugs are bad. Picks a fight with him. I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first. I think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy. Just a problem. Some guys are just nuts, man. Yeah. And, you know, mental health issues. But fights are stupid. They're so pointless. You know, organized fights is a different thing.

1:00:54Joe Rogan:I mean, that's high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. That's what I call it. That's what a real fight is. It's like we both agree we're going to make a certain weight. We're going to meet September 7th. Here it is. That's a different thing.

1:01:09Luke Grimes:It's a beautiful thing. It's like a chess match and you can't breathe. Yeah. Crazy.

1:01:13Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah. But in chess, the pieces can only move a certain way. Right. In jiu-jitsu, what's nuts is there's like so many different variations. And then you add in striking and wrestling. And like, oh, my God. It's so – I love it. I'll never get tired of watching MMA. It's the most exciting thing ever for me. I like other sports. I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas. And I can watch a good basketball game. Baseball is hard. But to me, it's all just downtime unless fights are on. If fights are on, I'm not watching anything else. I've been at football games, like at UT games, with the UFC on my phone sitting there while I'm watching the UFC.

1:01:55Luke Grimes:I wish I had football envy. I went to a Christian school in Ohio and we didn't have a football team. And I feel like if you don't like grow up around it in high school, you just don't understand like the nuance. I understand the rules and I get it. But I just I don't know. I don't love it like people do. And I wish I did. I wish the stakes just I don't understand it. I don't understand the team sport thing as much as I do. Like I love MMA. I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high. Something about one on one. Who's the better person today? You know, that's you know, you can't there's no one to blame it on.

1:02:28Luke Grimes:Right. It's just one person.

1:02:29Joe Rogan:It's a different thing. Like I have grown to love it living here. My wife is a big football fan. And so she got me into it. And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun, man. And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins like the whole team, like the whole audience, like 80 ,000 people. And there's something to that. Right. Because, like, when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out, like, people cheer and it's exciting. But, like, you know, you never know who's – like, if you're watching Justin Gaethje fight Max Holloway, I don't know who's for Justin Gaethje, who's for Max Holloway.

1:03:05Joe Rogan:You look out there, like, everybody's wearing UT colors, right? Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors. Like, it's like you've got your colors. Everybody – you've got your outfits. Everybody's pumped. They cheer when this guy scores. They boo when that guy scores. It's like more of a team. Everybody wins together. Whereas, like, with MMA, you know, there's – it's like you're just watching an individual. You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being, type of human being that becomes a guy who could become an MMA world champion. That is a truly special human. like the amount of dedication and the amount of focus and discipline and the courage that you have to have to get in your fucking underwear and stand there with a cup on with little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another savage, like another train killer who's been training for 18 weeks for this one moment and they bolt the door shut to the cage.

1:04:03Joe Rogan:And then the referee goes, fighter, you ready? Fighter, you ready? Let's go. And then the whole world is watching. You're surrounded by 20 ,000 people. and lights and cheering, and you're trying to keep your shit together, and you're getting kicked.

1:04:17Luke Grimes:How do you sleep the night before that? That would be my thing. I wouldn't be able to sleep.

1:04:22Joe Rogan:It's hard. I would always get sick. I would get sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping. I was training really hard. I didn't even take vitamins back then. I was a dumbass because I was young. I stopped fighting when I was 22. But for a lot of these guys, it is hard. It's really hard to just relax, and then they grow to learn how to relax. And then it's really scary. And then it's really hard to beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before they even get. Like Anderson Silva in his prime, he would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just like look at him and he'd be standing there staring at you and you're like, oh my God, I have to fight this guy tomorrow.

1:04:58Joe Rogan:Oh my, what have I done? Why am I doing this with my life?

1:05:01Luke Grimes:Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back in the day.

1:05:04Joe Rogan:Oh God. That'd be the most terrifying. Oh dude, it was, it was. there would be guys that looked like they were going to faint when the referee was giving him instructions. I remember he fought Bruce Seldon, and Bruce Seldon, who was a beast, man, he's a fucking tank of a man, and he looked like he was going to faint during the stare down.

1:05:22Luke Grimes:I can't imagine.

1:05:23Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah, he was the scariest of all time. He was. He was absolutely the scariest of all time, the scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life. And there was a period of time between 1986 and probably around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody. It was so... You would buy the pay-per-view knowing that the guy was going to get knocked out and hoping that you'd get your money's worth. Because the pay-per-view is like whatever it was, 50 bucks or something. You know, like if it's like 30 seconds, you're like, aw, that's bullshit. People would get upset that the pay-per-view was so quick.

1:05:59Joe Rogan:But, I mean, that's what you were signing up for. And those kind of guys, I mean, when you got a guy that's got every box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset. Right. He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there because they knew that they were fighting this demon, this guy that just was so much better than everybody else. And there's no way you could catch up to him.

1:06:28Luke Grimes:No. Is it true about his, wasn't it like his trainer died and then kind of he lost the whole?

1:06:36Joe Rogan:Yeah. Well, his trainer was Cus D 'Amato. And Cus D 'Amato was a legendary figure in boxing. He had trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres. He trained like a lot of like legit world champions. And he was also a hypnotist. And he adopted. Wait, what? Yeah, he was a hypnotist. Yeah. Well, he was really into the mental side of fighting. He was more almost like as much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer. It was all about tempering their mind and getting them ready. Like he would tell Mike Tyson, you don't exist. Only the task exists. He would say crazy shit to him. And he adopted him when he was 13.

1:07:18Joe Rogan:So Mike was 13 and he came from Bedford Stuy in Brooklyn. It was a horrible neighborhood. So his whole life was like crime and violence and no love and just terrible. And then all of a sudden this man took him under his wing who was also a legendary figure in boxing. Legendary. Like he was like he was the guru. And, you know, he basically it was like the perfect storm. And then he was also his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager. He was an historian of boxing. and he had this incredible library of all the great fighters. So he would watch film, you know, like fucking those.

1:07:59Joe Rogan:He'd have a projection screen and he would watch film of Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchel and Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day, Roberto Duran. He would sit there and absorb all these amazing fights. And when you can watch, that's one of the great things about today, especially with MMA. Like if you look at the fights from 1993 and the fights from 2026, the skill level is like magnitudes greater. Because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now. Because from the time that MMA existed, it was on television. You could watch it on YouTube after that.

1:08:38Joe Rogan:And it was like there was always fights that you could see. So you could see what guys were doing. So you had an understanding of the level. So kids would grow up imitating their favorite fighters. They'd grow up imitating John Jones and imitating Cain Velasquez and all these guys. And you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys. And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability. Interesting. Because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time. And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived, who was probably the greatest psychological trainer that ever lived.

1:09:16Joe Rogan:Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at 13, programming him to be this destruction machine. And then he was watching fights. So he was watching all these guys, Jack Johnson and all these great old-school champions and Jack Dempsey. And he just absorbed it all. Incredible. And he would get in that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback. He was like one he was like he absorbed the energy of those old great fighters the Sugar Ray Robinsons and the hardcore old school guys who would fight like once a week once every two weeks. Dude is that how often they were doing? Oh they were fought so many times.

1:09:56Joe Rogan:I think before Sugar Ray Robinson ever lost a fight he was 90 and 0. Something crazy like that. Wow. Yeah. 90? 90. Fucking crazy. Whoa. Just crazy. Yeah.

1:10:09Luke Grimes:That's wild.

1:10:10Joe Rogan:And to be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young, you absorb it, you know?

1:10:15Luke Grimes:Sure. It's like kids that play instruments now.

1:10:18Joe Rogan:Sure.

1:10:19Luke Grimes:I mean, you'll see an eight-year-old online who's better than any drummer in the 70s. Right. It's crazy. Right. Just how quickly they can get better now. Oh, yeah. Because they have access to everyone all the time. Mm-hmm. It's so cool.

1:10:31Joe Rogan:I would imagine that's like that with all sports now. But, you know, like, you could go back and watch. if you're a basketball player, you can go back and watch Jordan. You can watch Larry Bird. You can watch LeBron, Kobe. You can watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing. Whereas if you were young in the 60s or 70s, you only got to see the people you saw. You were as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a part of a great program in high school and college because then you'd be around. And then you'd go to the States and see how these guys are doing.

1:11:02Joe Rogan:Oh, these guys are better than us. I remember that from wrestling. Like the only time when I was wrestling in high school the only time you get to see like really good guys You'd go somewhere else like I was I went to school in Newton Newton South High School and we had good wrestlers in our Program and I thought they were good until I would go to the states and you go Oh my god these fucking these kids are going to camps every year. They were wrestling 365 days a year They like obsessed with it and then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that like good lord It's a fucking religion there and they've been doing that since they were babies You know, it's like you absorb what you see and your brain rises to the level of the competition that you see.

1:11:45Luke Grimes:The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma. Oh, man. I love watching him. Oh, dude. He's got a cool story, too. Didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while?

1:11:53Joe Rogan:Ukrainian dance for two years. Pulled him out of boxing for two years.

1:11:57Luke Grimes:That guy moves like it doesn't look real. Right. Like people shouldn't be able to move like that.

1:12:02Joe Rogan:The Matrix, they call him. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, he would do footwork that no one had even considered doing before. The movement, the slipping to the side and the angles. His ability to change direction was crazy because he would be here and then he'd be here. And then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting you. And he also was way smaller than everybody. He was way smaller than everybody. He was supposed to be a 126-pound fighter. And he went all the way up to the 140-pound division. Are there a lot of younger guys doing that sort of style now coming up?

1:12:32Luke Grimes:Or is that like a one-off?

1:12:34Joe Rogan:It's kind of a one-off. Usyk does it, but Usyk was trained by Lomachenko's father. They were trained by the same guy. So Usyk is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko. That's why he moves so much. It's dangerous. That guy's a freak. He's a freak. He's a pleasure to watch, watching that guy. I mean, he's beating guys that are so much bigger than him. When he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 280 pounds. And he's like a cruiserweight. He was really a 200-pound guy that blew up to compete against heavyweights. He's much smaller than those guys. But he was so fast and so – and just his pattern recognition, his understanding of boxing is just elite, like so many levels above everybody else.

1:13:18Joe Rogan:And he's 38. Like at 38, you're supposed to be done. You're supposed to – yeah. No. 38, he's in his fucking prime. Amazing. Also clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very, very religious, you know, doesn't party, doesn't fuck around, you know, and just trains with like rigid discipline.

1:13:37Luke Grimes:Yeah.

1:13:38Joe Rogan:That Soviet style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline, like those guys, like their program over there, like you see it like in Dmitry Bival and a lot of the other like Soviet style boxers. They have like a very comprehensive technical program that they put their fighters under. There's a style, like, Bival's the best example of that style. It's such a fucking difficult style because it's so movement-based. And a lot of, like, American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and moving forward just trying to land the big shots. And, like, Bival's just moving around you all the time, popping you and, like, ugh.

1:14:13Luke Grimes:Yeah. Sort of like the Dagestani guys in MMA. Same thing. Oh, yeah. You're not going to beat those guys because it's all they do. They live, eat, and breathe it.

1:14:21Joe Rogan:They're in Muay Thai now. There's this kid that I'm obsessed with. He's 22 years old. His name is Asadullah Imangazaleev. I don't want to fuck it up. Asadullah Imangazaleev. He's a fucking freak, man. He's 22 years old, and he's destroying world champions in Muay Thai. Just killing them.

1:14:44Luke Grimes:He's Dagestani? Yeah. Oh, wow.

1:14:45Joe Rogan:So the Dagestani's are taking over striking too now. Good. Well, this guy's nuts, man. He's so fluid, too. It's nuts to watch him, man. He moves like nobody else moves. And he's real tall for the weight class, so you can't even get close to him. He's fucking you up from the outside. This is the guy. This guy is a fucking freak, man. He's just doing things different than everybody else. Wow. And he's destroying people, just destroying everyone, everyone he fights. he's so unusual man and again he's from a hard part of the world man you know you grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes no chance you gotta fight this fucking dude this guy's fighting for his dinner he's just murking people and it's also he comes from a culture that like reveres combat sports you know they have their their champions Guys like Islam Makachev, Khabib Nurmagomedov, like they're legends over there.

1:15:52Luke Grimes:Yeah.

1:15:53Joe Rogan:You know, and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys.

1:15:55Luke Grimes:Where was Fedor from?

1:15:56Joe Rogan:He's from Russia.

1:15:57Luke Grimes:Is he?

1:15:58Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. He was the first.

1:15:59Luke Grimes:I loved watching him growing up, man. He was the first. So I used to watch him before auditions. Really? Yeah. There was just something about his like mindset where it was like his, he was so even keel. Yeah. Stoic. Yeah. It's like his heart rate didn't change or something. Even when he won, he'd just be like, and like sort of walk off. Like that's so badass.

1:16:15Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. His expression never changed. No. Yeah. He was one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great. He was different than everybody else. And he was a heavyweight that could submit you. He could knock you out. He was fast. He wasn't big. I mean, he was like 5 '11".

1:16:30Luke Grimes:Very unassuming looking. You wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy in the world.

1:16:33Joe Rogan:Yeah, like a little belly fat. He didn't give a fuck what he looked like. He was all about how he could perform. Right. You know, and he was a part of like that era where MMA emerged. And in Japan, it was so much bigger than it was in America. During the Pride days when Fedor was running shit, there was 90 ,000 people in those arenas. Whoa. Yeah. They were doing like the Tokyo Superdome. They were doing these gigantic arenas and like everyone was a fan in the country. And then it all went away. because the Yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal. MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world, and it just kind of like fizzled out.

1:17:18Luke Grimes:Did you ever go to any of those in Japan?

1:17:19Joe Rogan:I went to a UFC once in Japan. We did one UFC in Japan, and I went there. It was really cool. I was just really happy to be in Japan for a fight because I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and Japanese martial arts, period. And look I have a I mean have Miyamoto Musashi tattooed on my arm But being in there in Japan was like it was interesting because they were so educated Like they were really quiet while the fights are going on But then when something would happen even something really technical like somebody passing the guard they would go oh And they would all clap like I was like whoa this is interesting.

1:17:55Joe Rogan:Yeah Like it was like you could hear each corner yelling instructions like you wouldn't you didn't hear the crowd at all Wow, there's 16 ,000 people in that school It was wild. It was a completely different kind of audience like very respectful Very appreciative and very knowledgeable. It was it was cool.

1:18:13Luke Grimes:Do you think if you didn't do what you did would you rather watch? Like UFC in person or would you watch it at home?

1:18:21Joe Rogan:In person's the best You want to be there you want to feel the but I would want to be there where I sit like I'm super spoiled Yeah, you've got the best seat in the house. Yeah, I'm like, I could reach up and grab the cage. It's right there. Like, I'm so spoiled. But, you know, if you're in the bleeders, if you're in, like, the nosebleeds, you're probably better off watching it at home, honestly. Because then you get the commentary. You get to see replays. You get to see, you know, like, close up. If you've got a big TV at home, you get to see everything.

1:18:51Luke Grimes:I just sat close for the first time. I went to the Paddy Gaethje fight. Oh, did you? It was amazing. That was a good one. It was amazing, dude. But, yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound. Oh, yeah. It's like a whole, when you hear, like, bone on bone, you're like, whoa.

1:19:03Joe Rogan:Well, my favorite was during the pandemic, we had fights at the UFC Apex with no crowd. It was insane. It was so, because we had world championship fights with no crowd. That's crazy. There was maybe, like, 50, 100 people in the room. Wow. It was, like, mostly just staff of the UFC, the trainers of the fighters, and some of the other fighters in the audience, and some friends in the audience. and that's it. And the UFC Apex has a smaller ring too, a smaller cage. So it's like, I think it's like, I want to say it's 40 % smaller. It's a lot smaller.

1:19:36Luke Grimes:Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's smaller. How would that affect a fight? A lot. Practically, really? You can't move as much.

1:19:42Joe Rogan:There's not as much distance to get away. You know, so a guy who likes to like move around a lot and get away from people. Like I saw Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic when Francis won the title in the Apex with no crowd. That's crazy. And when Francis hits things, it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin. It's just whomp. Yikes. And you're right there. You hear them breathing. You hear the grunts when they get hit. Right. You hear the coaches yelling out, hands up, hands up, move, move, move. Hit them with the one, one, two. They're yelling out instructions, and it's like there's no one else there.

1:20:19Joe Rogan:It's silent. Wow. It's amazing. So that's the way. Oh, that's my favorite. Cool. But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a big world title fight, you know, like in Vegas or in the Madison Square Garden. It's an incredible place because it's the history of the place. You feel it when you're in Madison Square Garden. But my favorite is the Apex.

1:20:41Luke Grimes:How are you feeling about this White House card? That's insane.

1:20:45Joe Rogan:Makes me a little nervous. I don't know if it's the best idea. Yeah, it seems like it would open some room for some tomfoolery. It seems like it. Yeah. The card is not what they wanted it to be, for sure. They wanted it to be like all-world titles. But, you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task. It's very hard to find people that aren't injured, that are ready at this particular time. Because the brutal aspect of the sport is that guys are always hurt. They're always training hurt. They're always getting hurt. They fight hurt. there's always no one very rarely is anyone going into the octagon 100 sure there's always something going on guys are they're dealing with staph infections in camp and they're taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and maybe they've got a muscle pull or a knee that's fucked up and when francis and gano fought um cyril gone he blew his acl out so he had to wrap his leg up and he had one leg and he beat him with one leg that's crazy crazy guys have fought with broken hands you You know, Alex Pereira, he's beating guys with a broken foot.

1:21:54Joe Rogan:He fights with a broken foot. Just stoic standing there. Knows his foot's broken, doesn't give a fuck. He fought with a bad knee. His knee needed surgery. Like, there's a fight that he fought, Yuri Prohaska, where he's on top of Yuri. They stopped the fight, and he does a forward roll to get off of him after he knocked him out because he couldn't stand on his left leg.

1:22:14Luke Grimes:I didn't know that. Was that, like, a known thing while the fight was happening?

1:22:17Joe Rogan:No.

1:22:18Luke Grimes:Oh.

1:22:18Joe Rogan:No. He had surgery after the fight. I remember that fight. That's crazy. Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.

1:22:23Luke Grimes:Pernod is really big in our house because Brazil, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Those Brazilians, man, they love each other. It's crazy. My wife, she doesn't even care about MMA that much. But if there's a Brazilian fight, she's all about it.

1:22:34Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. Very, very proud people. And it's also like Brazil's where it all started. They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s. Really? Oh, yeah. Elio Gracie, who's really the founder of all this shit, he's the father of like the Gracie clan the Gracie family is like the greatest story in the history of martial arts that one family has changed martial arts forever and it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Elio Gracie and Carlson Gracie there's these three Gracie's who competed in these no rules fights they didn't have time limits back then no gloves no nothing and they were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s.

1:23:18Joe Rogan:And they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before. They figured out, they took techniques from judo. Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions. And so they concentrated only on the submissions and they honed and they created Brazilian jujitsu, like jujitsu, which was a Japanese martial art. Right. But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is far more technical than Japanese Jiu-Jitsu. And even Japanese guys now train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

1:23:47Luke Grimes:I was going to say, are there purists that only do the Japanese style still or not really?

1:23:51Joe Rogan:You can't really compete. Oh, okay. I mean, you could because everybody kind of knows everything now because Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into every other sport. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo, which is another combat sport, which is also elite. But Brazilian jiu-jitsu changed the game and the Gracie family changed everything forever And you know and the guy who fought in the UFC hoist, he wasn't even the best guy in the family He told everybody my brother Hickson kills me Hickson was the man like Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then he was He was a guy who did yoga.

1:24:28Joe Rogan:He was meditating He did this crazy thing with his stomach where he would do this breathing where stomach would suck in And he was like a real freak. And he was undefeated. Like nobody could touch him. He would go and do these seminars. So he'd teach a seminar and teach it to all these black belts. And then he would roll with all of them nonstop and just tap out everybody. Everybody. World champions. They'd all be like, ah, this is a bunch of hype. And they'd go in there. They'd all get arm barred. They'd all get leg locked. It was crazy. He was so much better than everybody else. And so they wanted hoist to win because Hickson also was like pretty jacked and he was like really fit He was really into strength and conditioning and like I said yoga It was incredibly flexible like he could stand there and do the splits and like hold his leg up there on a balance bar

1:25:20Luke Grimes:You see the one that wrote that book.

1:25:21Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:25:22Luke Grimes:Yeah, I read that. Yeah, it's awesome.

1:25:23Joe Rogan:Yeah And he had that documentary is a great documentary called choke phenomenal documentary about his rise through Japan Valley Tudo and then he was the guy he was the guy they based the first Pride event on okay He was the champion of the first Pride event He was the guy that the whole thing was based on because he was huge in Japan I mean he was a superstar in Japan But he was the champion of the family and they wanted hoist to do it because hoist was like smaller and he would show Jiu-jitsu was about technique that makes sense and they the plan was if hoist ever got beat throw in Hickson

1:25:59Luke Grimes:and everybody's fucked.

1:26:01Joe Rogan:But Hickson, his brother Horian started the UFC and Horian and Hickson had friction and Horian really couldn't control Hickson. And so they were like, let's put Hoisin and if we need to call on Hickson, we'll call the boogeyman. He was the boogeyman.

1:26:17Luke Grimes:Remember the guy, I think it was UFC 1, who had the one glove, the one boxing glove?

1:26:20Joe Rogan:Yeah, Arch Emerson. What was that about? Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold onto people and he wanted to punch them with his right hand.

1:26:29Luke Grimes:Weird tactic.

1:26:30Joe Rogan:Well, no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then.

1:26:33Luke Grimes:It was like Michael Jackson, dude.

1:26:35Joe Rogan:Everybody had this idea of what fighting was, and they didn't really know until they got taken down. Oh, there he is. Oh, it was his left hand. So that's interesting. So I guess he wanted to pop him with a jab. Hoist just fucking put it to that guy. Amazing. But Hoist was doing something that nobody had seen before. And that one event when he was doing that to people, it changed everything. It changed my opinion of martial arts. I immediately started taking jujitsu. I was like, oh, my God. You were in Taekwondo? I started in Taekwondo, and then I did kickboxing for a while. And then as soon as I saw the UFC, I immediately started taking jujitsu.

1:27:13Joe Rogan:I was like, oh, God. And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky. I was like, I know how to fight. And then I took classes. I was just getting manhandled and mauled and tapped left and right. I was like, oh, my God, I'm a beginner. This is so humiliating. And I was like, I've got to get good at this. I couldn't believe how helpless I was. I was running around thinking I was a badass and I was just a fool.

1:27:35Luke Grimes:Yeah. I'll humble you real quick.

1:27:36Joe Rogan:Oh, so humbling. I've gone through that.

1:27:37Luke Grimes:I did it for maybe a couple months. And I never made it past the hump. I should probably try again.

1:27:43Joe Rogan:Get a trainer. Get a guy who can do drills with you. That's really huge. If you can get someone to do drills with you and like just go over like like on a one on one basis that The finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills drills over and over again And then slowly start working your way into group classes. Yeah, that's the key

1:28:04Luke Grimes:I think the thing is with you know If you if you go to a boxing class a Muay Thai class you get to get some frustration out right because you're hitting something and it kind of Feels good on your drive home. You feel like I just beat the shit out of that bag, you know But then you roll with somebody who's really good and you go home and you're more frustrated.

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1:29:13Joe Rogan:But the first time you tap someone, it's like, it's such a revelation. You're like, oh my God, I got an arm bar. Oh my God, I got a triangle. Like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap, I'll never forget that feeling. I was like, wow. And then you have to just trust the process. Trust the process of showing up and realizing it is a tall mountain to climb. You're not going to get there quick. It is a it's a weird thing to do with your body. Your body doesn't know what to do with it That's why drilling is so important when you're drilling you're going over the motions without resistance So your body sort of gets programmed how to shift switch Switch your hips and how to catch the arm and how to pull your body back and secure it with your legs and all the different things That you have to do where if you're doing just live sparring all the time You you're not gonna learn because you're all panicking and tight You got to be able to like train your body to move a certain way so it becomes automatic

1:30:10Luke Grimes:And is there a way to do it where you can stay relatively injury free while you're learning? Or is it like that's just part of the kind of part of it? Yeah, I was gonna say it's kind of part of it

1:30:21Joe Rogan:Yeah Everybody just sort of assumes you're gonna eventually get hurt in one way or another You're gonna fuck your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever, right? But the best way is to find good training partners Don't train with any wild people because some people just jank on things. Those are dangerous. The really dangerous people are like blue belts who are really strong, who are just like really spaz out on you. Sure. Kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally.

1:30:48Luke Grimes:Yeah.

1:30:48Joe Rogan:I've seen that a lot. Like I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are spazes. They're like, I'm not.

1:30:54Luke Grimes:I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that are like, they just wanted to choke out Casey Dutton.

1:31:00Joe Rogan:Of course.

1:31:00Luke Grimes:I was like, come on, man. I just started, dude.

1:31:02Joe Rogan:Of course. I used to get that when I was on Fear Factor. A lot of guys want to choke out the Fear Factor guy. Yeah. But, you know, that's just part of the fun. Like Bourdain. Like, he was a 58-year-old white belt. Nuts. Wow. If that guy did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it.

1:31:17Luke Grimes:What belt did he get to?

1:31:19Joe Rogan:He might have got to purple. He definitely got to blue. I don't know if he got to purple. But he won tournaments. Wow. He competed in tournaments, you know? You know, I remember when he first started doing it, He's like, I'd really like to compete in some age-appropriate tournaments. I was trying to talk him out of it. I was like, don't get hurt, man. We need you out there. But he was obsessed. If he could do it, like that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience, not a worker, didn't train, didn't do any working out, wasn't a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing. And then at 58, he's like, all right, I'm going to get good at this.

1:31:55Luke Grimes:That's amazing. Yeah. Good for him, man. That's awesome.

1:31:57Joe Rogan:Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past. And the thing about being an addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good, you can really excel.

1:32:14Luke Grimes:Sure.

1:32:14Joe Rogan:For whatever weird reason. Also, there's a flip side. So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing and then they become drug addicts That same thing can kind of hijack your brain and then all you're doing is like chasing meth all day, right? I've seen that happen to for sure.

1:32:32Luke Grimes:Yeah Yeah, I should get back into it. It's a fun thing to do

1:32:36Joe Rogan:It's good for your head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do It's so hard because you're essentially what you're the game you're playing is I kill you or you kill me right so when a guy gets your back and gets your rear neck and choking you tap you're essentially saying you just killed me all right thank you for not killing me i give up and then when you do it to him he's saying that to you yeah so it's so hard that the rest of your life is easy right everything else becomes easy all the stress of fame success and hollywood and the bullshit it's nothing compared to some dude mounting you trying to get in your ego you're trapped in an arm triangle, like, trying to get your hand down to protect yourself.

1:33:19Joe Rogan:It's way harder. And that makes the rest of your life easier. If you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be way better off. Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind, way more difficult on your body, way more difficult on your spirit than this other thing that you do. So it'll make that other thing easier to tolerate.

1:33:40Luke Grimes:Yeah. And stay humble, too. Yeah.

1:33:43Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah. Super humble.

1:33:45Luke Grimes:You're not going to think you're cool for being able to say some lines.

1:33:48Joe Rogan:Some people get. Well, that's the other thing, right? You get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. Oh, yeah. Easy, easy trap. We've all seen that. We've all seen actors are just like inflated.

1:34:00Luke Grimes:Oh, for sure.

1:34:00Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:34:01Luke Grimes:Yeah. I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at anything. I enjoy doing the things, but I've never really I'm never good enough for myself, kind of hard on myself a little bit but I've seen it for sure if if you're waiting for someone else to validate you once they do you're screwed right because you're going to believe it right you know

1:34:22Joe Rogan:what I mean yeah so well there's the problem of being a star is that like all these people need you and the world their world of the show revolves around you yeah so they're all like you know kind of kissing your ass and reverent towards you it's like it's it's a little weird yeah yeah that and

1:34:39Luke Grimes:that's new for me too you know i'd never been anything that was like a massive hit before yellowstone and now with this new show now it's a hit and i'm the number one on the call sheet which is very new and so i'm like a you know i'm an asset to them in a different way um so it'll

1:34:55Joe Rogan:be interesting navigating that they'll probably try to talk you out of doing jiu-jitsu yeah i

1:35:00Luke Grimes:probably have to sign something that i won't you know i'm not a lot of like ski there's a lot of things because of the insurance like if i get hurt and production has to shut down it's a lot

1:35:09Joe Rogan:of money for them so yeah that makes sense yeah i don't know if that's one of them though but it's

1:35:14Luke Grimes:like yeah skiing don't ask it's funny because horseback riding usually is and i have to do that

1:35:19Joe Rogan:for the show that's the most dangerous yeah horseback riding scares the shit out of me

1:35:23Luke Grimes:dude it's me too it was not it didn't come natural that's not like a thing that i'm naturally good

1:35:28Joe Rogan:at or had done before yellowstone my oldest daughter did it for a little bit in california and she fell a couple of times. And one time she hurt her wrist really bad. And I was like, please stop. Don't do this. Because she was doing those things where you jump over stuff. Oh, that's so dangerous.

1:35:43Luke Grimes:Because they stop just shy of that thing and you go flying.

1:35:47Joe Rogan:Right. Her friend, she had a good friend that was really into it. And they started doing it together. And I was like, please don't. And she fell a couple times and she was OK. But one time she really hurt her wrist. And I was like, please stop. Because your wrist, they can fix. Your neck, you get like Christopher Reeves. you know. Oof. I think about Christopher Reeves every time I get on a horse. I believe it. I wish I didn't. That was what he did, right? He was doing the jumping thing, right? Was it? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. I just don't, I don't, yeah, I don't get it. Do you ride motorcycles?

1:36:18Joe Rogan:No. No, I don't either. Almost did. Almost did. Taking lessons. Me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fear Factor, we all took motorcycle lessons together. We were all talking about it. And so we took motorcycle safety courses, you know, You're basically riding like it's kind of like a dirt bike and they teach you how to shift and all this stuff. And I kind of got into it. I was like, oh, this is really fun. And then three of my friends had motorcycle accidents like within a short time period. One of them wiped out, fucked up his shoulder. The other one got hit by a car, broke his leg.

1:36:52Joe Rogan:And then the other one was actually someone saw someone. It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident. He was there when some guy got rear-ended by a car that wasn't paying attention, just plowed into him and sent him flying and fucked this guy up. And I was like, no. No, man. No, no, no, no. I'm not doing that.

1:37:09Luke Grimes:I had a bike for a couple months in L.A. And I went on a ride. And, you know, it's one of those things. You have to have the bug. You either have it or you don't. I was trying to get the bug because I wanted that to be a part of my identity. You know what I mean? I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles. So I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway, I was kind of riding up through like Ojai and going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliff side. And that thing where if you stare at something, that's where you're going to go. And I just kind of was like zoned out. And I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff.

1:37:41Luke Grimes:And I was alone. Like if I would have done it, it would have been forever until anyone figured out like what had happened to me. You know, and I kind of it was a really, really close call. And I got off the bike and I kind of sat there for a minute. And I was like, yeah, I don't love it enough to die this way. You know what I mean? I don't need this in my life. and I never did it again.

1:37:57Joe Rogan:I have friends that have never had a problem. I have friends that ride bikes that have never had a problem. I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it because there's just not that much traffic.

1:38:07Luke Grimes:No, but my 70-year-old neighbor just hit a deer.

1:38:09Joe Rogan:Oh.

1:38:10Luke Grimes:70 years old on his, like, one of the BMW, like, adventure bikes. Ooh. And he was going 70 on the highway and hit a deer. Yeah. And he's fine, dude. This guy's a tank. How old was he? 70.

1:38:23Joe Rogan:Whoa.

1:38:24Luke Grimes:Killed the deer. He had road rash everywhere. and he's kind of like, you know, on the couch for a few weeks. 70?

1:38:28Joe Rogan:And he's fine?

1:38:29Luke Grimes:Dude, he is a tank. This guy, they make them different out there, dude. He's my next door neighbor. He's amazing. Shout out Steve. Wow. He's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards. Oh, wow. And has every firearm imaginable. And things you didn't even know they made. And so anytime I can just, you know, ride over there in the side by side, we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back. Oh, that's nice.

1:38:51Joe Rogan:That's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, you find people like that in Montana.

1:38:54Luke Grimes:Oh, yeah.

1:38:55Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:38:55Luke Grimes:He's the real deal.

1:38:56Joe Rogan:Wow, but 70 years old, hitting a deer is crazy on a bike.

1:39:00Luke Grimes:Yeah, killed the deer. And about a month later, he was all right. He was back on the bike.

1:39:06Joe Rogan:Oh, boy. Jeez. I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer. Like, you see, like, from their camera. And you see this thing leap in front of the road. And then, bang. And you see. Yeah, deers, they're everywhere out here, man. When I'm driving home, I drive slow. There's like a certain road near my house where they just pop out all the suicidal deer. Yeah. Just pop out, especially like around the rut where the bucks are chasing the does. They're not thinking straight. They're not chasing straight.

1:39:36Luke Grimes:They're just out there like fucking pussy hungry, standing in the road, staring at you. I love explaining to people how the rut works because it works just like humans. I'm like the only time they're dumb enough that you're going to get one is when they're horny.

1:39:49Joe Rogan:Right.

1:39:50Luke Grimes:You know.

1:39:50Joe Rogan:But for them, it's once a year, which is way crazier than us. Can you imagine? if it all came on at once. Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on vacation during that time. I'm like, I'm hiding. I don't want to be anywhere near. It would probably be like murders, car accidents.

1:40:06Luke Grimes:Lock me in jail for that month or whatever. Exactly.

1:40:10Joe Rogan:Like, get a bunker. Get a bunker and lock down with Netflix for a month. Fuck that. There is no way, man. That would be crazy. Imagine if the whole world had their rut at the same time.

1:40:21Luke Grimes:Oh, my God. That's a good movie idea.

1:40:24Joe Rogan:It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a great movie idea. Just call it The Rut. Yeah, like human beings evolve, or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they decide there's overpopulation, and the solution to it is only have people breed at a certain time. And also like keep people from being distracted all the time because like how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like, you know, going to bars and trying to find someone? It's like it's a huge waste of your time.

1:40:52Luke Grimes:Oh my god, my 20s and 30s were just blown. Yeah as of it. It's all I thought about massive

1:40:57Joe Rogan:Massive waste of your time if there was like a solution to that the solution would be like everyone's going to breed Only during November

1:41:05Luke Grimes:Maybe it's the best thing ever Be great if there was like a switch you could flip You know like a little boy

1:41:11Joe Rogan:You like flip it and then go out and right figure it out the rest of the year like you don't even care about girls like he's so productive man bucks just walk by a female doe in like you know fucking june they

1:41:22Luke Grimes:don't give a shit about it and they don't have their antlers so they look the same right you

1:41:26Joe Rogan:know what i mean they lose their masculinity and right right right they get it back pretty quick those fucking things grow quick it's like they fall off within a month or two they start growing

1:41:36Luke Grimes:nubs isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the on the planet yeah i think elk is we could

1:41:42Joe Rogan:Because that's nuts. I mean, you look at a 400-inch elk, like some of those antlers that are out there. Imagine that that grows in a couple of months. It's bone. It's crazy. And they fight to the death with it. Crazy. Like, we find elk that have been killed by other elk. It happens all the time.

1:42:00Luke Grimes:Have you hunted in Montana?

1:42:01Joe Rogan:Yeah. Not elk. I've hunted mule deer in Montana and pheasant at the time I went with Bourdain.

1:42:08Luke Grimes:I've never done elk until I moved up there. I started hunting whitetail when I was, like, 10. like really young because we have big white tail in Ohio and I thought hunting elk would be similar

1:42:18Joe Rogan:and boy was I mistaken oh it is when were you bow hunting or rifle hunting I've done both but my

1:42:24Luke Grimes:first was a bow hunt and we went out there we were camping out there me and I just made friends with this the contractor that built my house in Montana he took me we went public land around Dillon Montana and we went for a week and I had to tap out day four like I couldn't my legs stopped working i didn't i was like i didn't know i had it was like this so the next year i went i was like prepared for it but i didn't know man you really got to go for it oh you got to get in

1:42:47Joe Rogan:shape yeah i do a lot of shit before september i do i i have this crazy routine that i do on a airdyne bike i do these tabatas on an airdyne bike where you sprint for 20 seconds oh yeah you rest for 10 you sprint for 20 the worst and all i'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill getting over a hill to get a shot i mean and then i do like box step ups i do all these different things with weighted vests and farmers carries with fucking heavy kettlebells all i'm doing is just trying to condition my legs yeah you have to like those mountains are brutal there's no mountains here for me to practice on right but in california i used to run hills with my dog

1:43:26Luke Grimes:yeah and you're at elevation which makes it even harder oh yeah and a weird thing people wouldn't expect like just you know makes it even worse you get up in the morning it's zero degrees middle of the day it's 50 60 and you're hiking all day so it's like how do you dress for that

1:43:41Joe Rogan:you have to dress to be cold yeah like once you start walking you have to be cold yeah like you got to get down to your base layer and walk cold and then if you ever have to stop then you put it on and the other key merino wool that's the key because wool is different than cotton if your cotton gets wet and then you you're sweaty and then you get cold you're fucked right but wool's not like that merino wool is the best because like if you have especially a base layer because when you're sweating it kind of keeps you a little cool and then um if you get cold it doesn't it it doesn't feel cold yeah because it's it's not synthetic it's it's organic makes sense yeah

1:44:22Luke Grimes:it's a weird fiber yeah we used to walk to the deer stand kind of in half of our stuff keep the other half in a pack and then like once i got in the tree stand i put everything right on so that you wouldn't you know the sweat wouldn't freeze to you that's hard deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard it's like a silent retreat and you're freezing yeah at the same time freezing

1:44:41Joe Rogan:and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by and then you're so cold that when a deer walks by you go to pull your bow back you're like oh jesus yeah like why am i so weak yeah like you could barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree yeah but nothing i mean no no challenge

1:44:53Luke Grimes:whatsoever compared to elk hunting no that was my blew my mind how hard that was and the guy i went with you know he grew up in montana he's like a mountain goat i just like couldn't keep up with this guy man i'm like this isn't how do you do this just constant all day long you can't just get out of your off your couch and go elk on the mountains you can't do it no you gotta get in

1:45:10Joe Rogan:shape yeah like my friend cam haynes that's why he started running he became an ultra runner yeah he's doing like 250 miles stuff right yeah he does like these three-day runs he tried to get you into that have you done any of that no chance i have one knee that sucks i have one knee that i I fucked up in martial arts. It's missing meniscus, and I cracked it skiing too. I wiped out skiing, got a fracture of the top of my tibia. So it's like if I started running, it would get beat up real bad. Right. But I do. There's plenty of conditioning you could do without running, you know, but it's the pounding of running.

1:45:46Joe Rogan:It's not good for my knee.

1:45:48Luke Grimes:There's something so amazing, though, about getting to that first thing in the morning when the sun's coming up and you're glassing, and you're just like, this is what I always wanted hunting to be like. Yeah. It's the real thing. It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like. You're so far out there, you know. I didn't get to go the last couple years. My wife was having our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed to be in the woods with no service. And then last year I was shooting the show, but this year I'm going to be able to go. I got a good spot. And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like, it's right there.

1:46:17Joe Rogan:Well, they have phones now that have satellite service. I think you get, is that, does T-Mobile have that now? where you can get Starlink on your phone, I know they're doing that soon. And, you know, you can text message with iPhones. I got done that in the middle of the woods. And you know what the best thing is, man? When we were in Utah last year, the last two years, I've had a Starlink Mini. It is the shit. It's like the size of an iPad. You just lay it down on the ground. You use the app, and the Starlink app will tell you which way to point it to, and you get high-speed internet.

1:46:52Luke Grimes:I have one for when we shoot. It's incredible. Because we're in the middle of nowhere. It's so awesome. It's the best.

1:46:57Joe Rogan:It's so good. You can, here it is. T-satellite. Yeah. That's the shit, man. Yeah. So you can, can you make phone calls or is it just internet? It's phone calls too, right? Texting and select satellite ready apps. Okay, just texting. Satellite service including text to 911 may be delayed, limited, or unavailable. So you can just text and some satellite-ready apps right now. So that's like everywhere. That's cool. Yeah. So eventually they'll have – it'll be like Starlink will be connected to your phone, and you'll be able to get high-speed internet everywhere in the world. If we don't have World War III, bro, blow everybody up.

1:47:44Joe Rogan:I did. But the elk hunting thing, the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like they're moving around. You've got to sneak up in on them. You're playing the wind. And then the sound they make when they're screaming. And you hear it. You're like, if you never knew what that was, you would think there's demons in the woods.

1:48:05Luke Grimes:Yeah, demons are like T-Rex. Right.

1:48:07Joe Rogan:It's crazy. The sound is so incredible. It's so incredible. And it's so hard to do. It's like that to me is one of the things that I love like every year because everything goes away. It's so difficult. It's so difficult to get in shape for it. So difficult to manage your way into the mountains and to be in shape, to be able to do it day after day, and then to be able to pull off a shot. You know, like you have this brief moment, the thing's 65 yards away and you draw back. Yeah. Trying to settle your pin.

1:48:37Luke Grimes:You could have done all of that just to like mess it up. Yeah. One little tiny, yeah.

1:48:42Joe Rogan:And it happens all the time. But when you're successful, oh, my God, it's the greatest feeling of all time. And then when you're eating it and you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk steaks, like, I can't wait to do this again. Yeah. It's so exciting. Yeah. And it's just, but it's the being out there, it's like a vitamin. It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed. It's like your whole body's like, oh, this is so much better than regular life.

1:49:08Luke Grimes:You can't be mentally unwell. No. It's like impossible. Right. Yeah. It's amazing.

1:49:13Joe Rogan:You just feel so much better. The air is better. And you're more focused. You're not distracted. And you just feel alive. Yeah. And it's also the majesty of nature. You're just around these trees and mountains. And you're catching all these animals that are out there. And you see eagles flying overhead. The best. God.

1:49:33Luke Grimes:Like day three, you're like, I think I'm just going to move out here. I'm just going to do this. And then you go back to real life and you're like, oh, yeah.

1:49:40Joe Rogan:I think that all the time. I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains. My wife is not down with it, but I'd love it. I might get a place somewhere one day in the mountains just to retreat, just to be able to just disconnect, shut off for a while. I think that's probably a good idea.

1:49:56Luke Grimes:I love it. I wonder, though, now that I have a kid, we're going to have to start thinking about school for him and stuff. There's really not. I don't know if, you know, once we get there, we'll figure that out. But we're going to probably have to get somewhere closer to some people.

1:50:11Joe Rogan:Doesn't Bozeman have good schools? Where are you near? What are you near?

1:50:16Luke Grimes:I'm about an hour south of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula to go home.

1:50:19Joe Rogan:Missoula has good schools, right?

1:50:21Luke Grimes:Yeah. But I'd have to move closer to Missoula. And at that point, I'm like, why don't I just, you know, move to a city, I guess, you know. Ew. I know. I think the move might be getting somewhere, you know, a little more populated and then keeping like a cabin in Montana, like you were talking about, you know, And then taking him out there whenever we can. That'd probably be the thing.

1:50:40Joe Rogan:Do you have a place in your house where you record? Do you have like a little recording studio or anything?

1:50:45Luke Grimes:Yeah, like just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record. Just to be like, this is something I've been working on. Kind of a setup like one of these and a computer. But yeah, I do a lot of writing up there. It's a great place to write songs.

1:50:59Joe Rogan:How do you write? Do you write on paper or do you just start strumming and singing?

1:51:03Luke Grimes:It's different every time. sometimes i'll have like a it'll it'll be a melody uh it'll be a guitar riff it could be like a lyrical idea some sort of hook you know it comes in a lot of different ways and then sometimes i'll finish something on my own sometimes i'll do a nashville trip and sit with some other writers that i like and you know we'll kind of like bang it out together and that's the coolest part of the process man there's something about making something out of absolutely nothing it's like

1:51:31Joe Rogan:addicting you know yeah it's really cool yeah jokes are similar in the way I bet I've never really been a songwriter but I'm guessing so it's like creating something out of like out of your mind yeah all of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing it in front of people and it's

1:51:47Luke Grimes:like I've heard you talk about this and and any good creative person talk about this but like it comes to you yeah you can't really take credit for a good idea yeah you know exactly like I'll just be driving and be like whoa that's where'd that come from like whatever that is give me more of it. I love it.

1:52:01Joe Rogan:I was talking to Michael Pollan about that yesterday. We were talking about consciousness and we were talking about how it just seems like you're not doing it. It's just coming out of the ether. And you just have to show up and receive it. And if you show up enough and you pay homage to the muse and sit there. Do you ever read War of Art, Stephen Press' book? I haven't. I got a box of copies. I'll give you a copy of it out there. he always gets well i bought a box of copies i bought a bunch of them and i used to hand them out to comedians and artists when i was on the show i was like well just listen to me you got to read it it's a really small book it's easy but it's one of the best books ever about creativity and it essentially just he tells you if you treat it like there is a muse like there is a god a goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay respect to the muse you have to show up on time every day sit there and do it and some days you get nothing but you just got to keep showing up keep showing up and trust in that process and eventually like oh my god this idea is so good yeah it come from that makes sense where did it come from yeah when i'm when i'm when i'm in a

1:53:10Luke Grimes:really good spot sort of mentally emotionally spiritually taking care of myself sleeping i get more of those yeah and i know there's this like mysticism around like people who like you know anna s thompson or someone like that who just kind of spent a lot of time being fucked up and and they still get it. That never worked out really well for me. I've tried it, trust me. It's not great.

1:53:31Joe Rogan:I think with those guys, they're trying to get out of their own head. They're just trying to get blasted so they could just release themselves from their life and then just obliterate it and just start writing.

1:53:45Luke Grimes:Yeah.

1:53:46Joe Rogan:And then the muse starts talking to them.

1:53:48Luke Grimes:Interesting. Hemingway, there's a lot of guys who had to be sort of a little messed up Stephen King. To do the thing.

1:53:54Joe Rogan:right yeah yeah his book on writing is fantastic too it's called on writing stephen king i read that one yeah it's great right really good he was obliterated like most of his great work most of the great stuff out of his mind on drugs and alcohol and and some of those guys like once

1:54:12Luke Grimes:they stop doing it they lose the thing and i don't name names but like him there's some yeah there's some artists i love that they kind of got clean yep and you're like where'd the thing go yeah which

1:54:22Joe Rogan:is unfortunate you know yeah it happens with comics too does it some of them though get better like david tell got way better when he quit drinking um it's interesting it doesn't always it doesn't have to be that but for a lot of them like that crutch the whatever it is that connects them to the creativity once they eliminate that part and try to keep try to stay alive essentially like stephen king was like killing himself but his later work is just not comparable what's your

1:54:50Luke Grimes:process like writing jokes like how does that start for you like how do you it it is a it's

1:54:58Joe Rogan:there's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere like i'll be just hanging out and and then i have an idea or i'm driving in my car and i have an idea and i just have to write it down and then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer just sitting down and like what am i writing about i'm writing about immigration okay let me fucking and it i write in essay form so I don't try to write like a stand-up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but that never works. But what does work is if I lose myself in just ruminating on an idea and just explore it from every different angle, and then I'll find one paragraph.

1:55:36Joe Rogan:I might write 2 ,000 words, and I'll find one paragraph. I'm like, that's it. And I'll take that out, and I'll put it in there, and I'll try to introduce it on stage, and then I try to figure out how to segue into it, and then I try to figure out how to expand on it. And then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare at that one paragraph and go, what else? Like, what else? What's the other angle? Like, what if I was not like that? How do I feel about if I was on the other side of that? What if I'm the person that's going through this? And what if I'm this and that? And then I'll try to just try that.

1:56:06Joe Rogan:And it's like, I always describe it as like you're trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time. And it's a long and brutal. And then sometimes it's not. Some jokes just come to you in full form.

1:56:20Luke Grimes:Oh, wow.

1:56:21Joe Rogan:Like the way I wrote it is the way I say it. It's perfect. But you can't count on that either. Right. And again, I don't think they're mine. You know, they're just coming from somewhere. Yeah. The key is just showing up. That's the key. The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer. Or some guys don't like a computer. They want a notepad. They want pen and paper. they like it better that way and I get it but for me I can type like I don't have to look at the keys I can touch type so for me I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it which is way better for me than writing down because I write slower than I type and so I want to be able to get it all out to me it's like it doesn't and then I write it on paper eventually but when I first write it I want to write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker Yeah, and you can cut and paste and move things to another file and start fresh and like explore it again

1:57:20Luke Grimes:This last album I did we tried a really different process than I'd done before usually you go into a studio You know, there's a lot of money behind it. You got a big producer as you know, you're taking up their time You ever getting ready to go but On this new one we did everything there's only two songs I'd had already written and eight out of the ten songs we wrote either the day of or the night before in the studio because I wanted to make something as personal as possible because, you know, the subject matter is stuff where I'm like, if this is gimmicky or overthought, it's not, then I'm sort of trying to, like, capitalize on grief or things I'm talking about.

1:58:00Luke Grimes:So I want to go in and just be as open as possible and just get what we get and just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, that's the goal of country, really, or it used to be. and so yeah we would um we would cut and then in the night after we'd cut we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day and if we didn't get it we'd show up early next day and try to write the song for that day it was an amazing process we called it the pressure cooker because it was just

1:58:25Joe Rogan:like you better get something because you're on the clock and man it was it was um i don't i doubt

1:58:31Luke Grimes:i'll ever do that again but what a like cathartic amazing process like there because usually you'll write a song you'll have a demo for it some something where you just sit down and play guitar into your phone or something so you'll remember the melody remember the chords and you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you've ever even cut it and with this there was never a demo there was never it was straight from you know heart brain tape like it

1:58:54Joe Rogan:was it was pretty special i think there's something to be said for pressure like that where it forces you it forces you to come up with something yeah the pressure cooker man we just we had to you know yeah it was it was amazing yeah just like forces your synapses to fire yeah there's something to be said for that like there's that's the thing about comedy too when you when you have a new bit like part of the thing is like take that bit when it's not really done yet and just throw it out there in front of a crowd and find the beats find where it is and sometimes in front of a crowd as you're saying it you'll have a new idea like what the fuck is this like why are we doing and then that'll be the biggest part of the joke like everybody will laugh harder at that part than anything else and it just comes to you because you're under pressure yeah yeah there's something about there's something about forcing your brain to do things like forcing your like you just like you like you have to do it like you can't just dilly-dally no procrastination it's

1:59:55Luke Grimes:right there right now yeah let's go yeah i mean because you're you're directly connected to whatever the thing is. It's like a flow state.

2:00:04Joe Rogan:And then there's stuff that just comes to me. Like John Mellencamp told me he wrote Hurt So Good in the shower. Really? He was just in the shower. Come on, babe, you make it hurt so good. And he's like, it was done. Best shower ever. Crazy. Sometimes love don't feel like it should. Watched his armpits. He was cool. He was an interesting guy to talk to, man. Fucking dude just chain smokes. He's in his 70s just smoking. He was so happy he could smoke in here. And I'm like, you're not going to quit that ever? He's like, this is what he said. He goes, find something you love and let it kill you.

2:00:42Luke Grimes:Yeah. I don't know if I'll let that one kill me. That's a rough death, dude.

2:00:47Joe Rogan:That's a rough death, man. Yeah.

2:00:50Luke Grimes:I've dealt with smoking for some time. Yeah. I always promised my wife that I would quit when we had our kid. And we're almost there. We're getting close.

2:01:00Joe Rogan:You got the nicotine pouches. I got the Zin. Do those help?

2:01:02Luke Grimes:They do help. Yeah. It's a different delivery. When I have a drink, though, it's like I can't do one without the other. To quit smoking, I'm going to have to quit drinking. Really? Have to. Wow. I just can't imagine one without the other. It's like a package deal for me. But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point. You've quit, right?

2:01:20Joe Rogan:Yeah. I quit and then started again.

2:01:22Luke Grimes:Oh, really? You're back?

2:01:24Joe Rogan:Yeah, I'm back. Nice. I quit for like eight months. I didn't miss it. But then when I had a couple glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, ooh, I like this. This is nice.

2:01:33Luke Grimes:Yeah.

2:01:33Joe Rogan:I kind of missed it.

2:01:34Luke Grimes:How was that first sort of hangover?

2:01:37Joe Rogan:I didn't get hungover. I haven't gotten drunk. I haven't gotten hungover since.

2:01:41Luke Grimes:Nice.

2:01:41Joe Rogan:And I've only been drinking again. And even when I do, it's rare. Like I don't drink every night I go on stage. I might have like a drink before I go on stage. Or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine. But that's it. I haven't been drunk.

2:02:00Luke Grimes:That's perfect.

2:02:01Joe Rogan:Yeah. Getting drunk is the problem. Yeah. And the real problem with me was like I was I own this comedy club and I was with my friends and they're all animals and they're all just like, let's do shots. And we'd go downstairs to Mitzi's bar and we'd be doing shots together. We'd have so much fucking fun. And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And I was just hurting. So I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes and I'd get in the cold plunge. And it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal. Yeah. And I'm like, I hate that. I don't like that.

2:02:34Luke Grimes:Yeah.

2:02:34Joe Rogan:But I don't feel that with a glass of wine. I have a glass of wine or two, and I feel great the next day. It doesn't bother me at all. As long as I drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep, I feel totally normal in the morning. That's good. Getting drunk is the problem.

2:02:50Luke Grimes:It is fun, though.

2:02:51Joe Rogan:It's the best.

2:02:52Luke Grimes:Getting drunk is so much fun.

2:02:53Joe Rogan:Getting drunk with buddies. Oh, the best. It's the best.

2:02:56Luke Grimes:One of my favorite things is, like, going to a bar in the middle of the day and meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever. And just like getting to know people I would never have talked to to begin with because why would we talk? Right. I love that. But again, I'm 42 now and the hangovers are starting to really smart, you know. So it's not really worth the price of admission anymore.

2:03:22Joe Rogan:It's not worth it when you get aware of your body, especially if you're a person like, you know, I work out all the time. And I'm 58 now. So as you get older, it's like most people at 58 are half dead. They're kind of falling apart. And I've managed to stay healthy and fit. And I don't want to fuck that up just for booze. But, you know, like I said, it's hard when you're with buddies and they want to do shots. Like Shane Gillis is the worst. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's like, come on, we're doing shots. Fuck.

2:03:56Luke Grimes:How can you not get drunk with that guy? He's like the most fun ever.

2:03:59Joe Rogan:And you're having so much fun when you when you're drinking with him. It is just like your face is red. You can't breathe You everyone's laughing. You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing And it's just like you call each other the next day. Like I feel oh my god, I'm dead Like there's a lot of times where we went out drinking and we have a gym here And you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day and he'd be like dude I can't make it. I'm like come on pussy. You made me drink last night but he's just he's the life of the fucking party man and it's just it's fun but it's it just it comes at a cost yeah that cost is rough man especially with the kid now and him being the

2:04:39Luke Grimes:age he is it's just i nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit than being hung over in front of your baby right and you're just like sorry dude right i'm your dad i'm sorry right

2:04:48Joe Rogan:your kids want to play you're like i'm gonna just sit here yeah it's not all right you know You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though. Glutathione is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it. Glutathione actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker. So there's a lot of strategies if you're a drunk. Glutathione. A lot of workarounds. Yeah, liposomal glutathione in high doses is really good. Electrolytes are huge. Like a lot of the hangover feeling. There's two things that are going on. One is, that's why they say like hair of the dog that bit you, because you're actually craving more alcohol.

2:05:26Joe Rogan:That's why people like Bloody Marys the day after they're hungover. That's not a great strategy, but it really does do a little something. But electrolytes are huge, because another part of it is you're just dehydrated. Like your brain is dried out. It's a dried out sponge because you're out getting hammered the night before. Yeah. So you got to drink a lot of water. Drink a lot of water. A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme once, and he said it was nuts. He goes, he's so disciplined. He said the dude had a gallon of water with him, like a jug of water. Like people take to the gym.

2:05:58Joe Rogan:And with every shot he would take, he would fucking chug water. And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated while he was boozing. Got to do what you got to do, man. I was like, credit to him. Yeah. This is the way to go. He goes, I never saw anybody do that before. I'm like, well, look at the guy. Yeah. Kind of makes sense. Yeah. You know, it's like.

2:06:18Luke Grimes:Have you interviewed him in here?

2:06:20Joe Rogan:No. Oh, no. That'd be a good one. That'd be fun. He's kind of crazy. He keeps talking about having a fight and coming back. Oh, damn. Like, bro, you're like 70. Yeah, no. Don't do that. I think he's just a little nuts. He's also, he's famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder. Uh-huh. And I think, you know, sometimes guys get ideas. Sure. That aren't really tenable.

2:06:41Luke Grimes:Thank God I never had the taste for that.

2:06:44Joe Rogan:I never even tried it.

2:06:45Luke Grimes:Have you never? Nope. definitely done it but it's just yeah i have friends that they can't have a drink without wanting to go get a bag and i'm like oh and that those guys have to get sober like stone cold aa

2:06:56Joe Rogan:sober like because they'll disappear well they'll also die today because you can get a bad bag and

2:07:01Luke Grimes:it's got fentanyl in it you know i don't get it i just never it's like five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible it's not it doesn't pencil out for me i got lucky that when

2:07:14Joe Rogan:When I was a kid in high school, I had a friend and his cousin got addicted to coke, and I watched what happened to him. He was selling it too, and I watched him completely fall apart. It was like he had been haunted, like something had taken over his body, like a parasite. He lost all his weight, he got super pale, he got real sketchy and weird, and he'd just hang out in his apartment. And they would just watch TV and do coke all day. It was nuts. Oh, yikes. It was horrible. It was dark. And I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser. That was my number one fear when I was a kid.

2:07:47Joe Rogan:I don't want to be a loser. Yeah. And so like I'm like, okay, stay away from drugs because that'll turn you into a loser.

2:07:52Luke Grimes:Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some sort of gift in like having some ambition.

2:07:57Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah.

2:07:57Luke Grimes:Like wanting to be somebody.

2:07:59Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:07:59Luke Grimes:You know, they can come with, there's pros and cons to that. But one of the big pros is like anytime anything would get a little too dark, and I realized I was losing my grasp on what I was after, professionally or whatever, I would course correct pretty quick.

2:08:14Joe Rogan:Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's just about whatever is fun. And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever drunk or whatever it is that your demons are.

2:08:26Luke Grimes:Yeah.

2:08:27Joe Rogan:That's rough. I've seen a lot of people lose their life that way. I mean, they lose their direction. They lose everything. you know just substances can be fun but they can take over and they can become your whole fucking life yeah not good I'm so happy I avoided coke but I am interested it's too late dude when I heard Hunter Thompson not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden excuse me talk about smoke and crack he did this interview where he was talking about how amazing smoke and crack and I was like wow maybe I could try it once I don't think I've never heard anybody like try it once though No, that's famous last words, man

2:09:10Luke Grimes:No one's done it once

2:09:11Joe Rogan:I mean, everybody who tries it gets hooked It seems like that's a problem Must be pretty awesome It's gotta be It's gotta be the best thing ever And he said like, it's way better than cocaine Like the guy who was interviewing him What's that guy's name again? Andrew Callahan? When he was interviewing him, he was like, what is the difference? And he explained like the delivery method like how it affects you. It's so much different. Like the difference between like a Zin pouch and a cigarette. Cigarette hits you way different than a Zin. Cigarette's like instantly like, oh. Yeah. Apparently that's what Coke's like, smoking it.

2:09:44Joe Rogan:It was Richard Pryor too. I mean, he was essentially smoking crack. They didn't call it crack back then. They called it freebasing.

2:09:50Luke Grimes:Right.

2:09:50Joe Rogan:It's the same thing.

2:09:51Luke Grimes:Heroin too is another one. It's like those are the two big ones they tell you when you're like, you do this once, you're done. Your whole life's over.

2:09:57Joe Rogan:Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. I've known people that have tried heroin once and be like, I can't do this again. It was too awesome. Yeah.

2:10:07Luke Grimes:Yeah. I do that with like painkillers and stuff. You know, I've been prescribed. I'm like, oh, yeah, I love it.

2:10:13Joe Rogan:I had a knee operation. I do that. I have multiple knee operations. The first one I had was in the 90s. And they gave me a morphine drip and they give you a button and you could press the button to get more morphine when you needed it. Oh, my God, I hammered that button. I was lying in this bed, and my knee had just been cut open like a fish, and there's screws in there, and my ACL had been reconstructed. And I was on this perpetual motion machine, so the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back. So I'm lying in this bed, and I'm hammering that button.

2:10:47Joe Rogan:I was so happy. I was like, I get it now. I get it. but that was only once luckily and they didn't give me they gave me some painkillers afterwards um i think they gave me percocets but they were so i took whatever the dose was and it was i only did it once it was so bad i felt so dumb and so dull and so stupid i'd like i'd rather be in pain so i sold all my pills to this dude at the pool hall i gave him my pills my tear you can buy these

2:11:18Luke Grimes:from me one of my buddies was telling me he's uh in the military and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case they ever got shot and you just pull it out in a moment you start sucking on it it's just like a morphine high i was like i kind of want to get those to fly with because wouldn't that be awesome like the plane's going down you just start sucking on that thing

2:11:35Joe Rogan:yeah i just put on the headphones do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

2:11:41Luke Grimes:be amazing dude anytime i fly over the ocean i'm just like i freak out i don't like the I don't like the idea. It's actually now a fentanyl lollipop. Oh. So. Maybe that's what it was. Gotta be strong. Either way, though, wouldn't that be, I mean, that's like biggest fear, number one, is plane going down. Yeah. Because you have like five minutes to think about it, and you're hearing like everyone's screaming, everyone knows they're going to die too, and you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're going to die for five minutes. I mean, that is hell on earth to me. Yeah. I can't imagine anything worse.

2:12:14Joe Rogan:That's a rough one. I think getting eaten by a bear might be worse because there's no one around you.

2:12:20Luke Grimes:I wonder, though, for the bear thing, if you're in so much shock, like, are you feeling it? I bet you are.

2:12:25Joe Rogan:You think so? Especially if they start legs first. Because the thing about bears is they don't kill you. They just start eating you. Oh, my God. Like a salmon. They don't kill a salmon. They just hold it down, pull chunks off of it. Yikes. Apparently, that movie Grizzly Man, the audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it. Because they had a – the guy's – Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend, his ex-girlfriend, got a hold of the camera. So the camera – apparently the lens cover was on, but the camera was running.

2:12:59Luke Grimes:Oh, right. Yeah, I've seen that. Where he listens to it in the documentary. He's like, burn this. Don't let anyone listen. Would you listen? Give him the chance. Oh, yeah.

2:13:08Joe Rogan:I think I might do it. Yeah, everybody would listen.

2:13:11Luke Grimes:And then I'd hate myself for having –

2:13:12Joe Rogan:There's a fake version of it online. I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real, though. It's pretty obvious that it's fake, but people believe it's real. But it goes on for five minutes. Five minutes is a long time. Like, think of a round, an MMA round. It's five minutes. Oh, my God. And all that time, you're just getting chunks pulled out of your body.

2:13:32Luke Grimes:Bro. Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?

2:13:35Joe Rogan:Yeah, once. Really? Yeah, in Alberta. Yeah, it was very scary. And it wasn't a big one. It was like a six-foot bear. but it looked at me so different than any other animal. Like I've seen a lot of black bear and black bear look at you like this, like who are you? What are you doing? They look at you sideways and they're like, I want to get out of here. Grizzly looks at you like this. Oh, like locks on you. Yeah. Like am I going to eat you? And I was with my friend Jen. She's a guide up there. Jen and John, they run a hunting outfit up in Alberta. And as soon as she saw it, she screamed. She screamed, like, get the fuck out of here.

2:14:18Joe Rogan:Racks her shotgun, cracks a stick against the tree to scare it off. And then we immediately bailed. Like, let's get the fuck out of here.

2:14:27Luke Grimes:Yeah, I've never seen one. Don't want to.

2:14:28Joe Rogan:They see big ones up there sometimes. and John the her husband he sprayed what he was in a tree stand and he sprayed it with pepper spray and the thing didn't even react it was like like you think you're gonna oh bear spray I'm safe and it was like fuck you yeah it's just like this fucking nine-foot bear this huge wild dog you know this he was fucking immense super powerful thing that can run 45 miles an hour oh man apex fuck that man they're they're terrifying montana's got a ton of them yeah that's one thing i didn't have in ohio is

2:15:09Luke Grimes:like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods it's dark and you're walking through the first time that that bow hunt i was telling you about i you know you bring a sidearm when you all you have is a bow in case you do see some mountain lion or something grizzly bear and my buddy was like what do you got on you and i was like it's a nine millimeter he goes well Well, if you see one, shoot yourself.

2:15:32Luke Grimes:Yeah, you got to bring a.45. I guess there's a 10 millimeter with a special round you can take, but yeah, 9 millimeter, bounce off.

2:15:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, I mean, you're going to hurt them. I mean, if you hit them in the face, maybe it'll do something. You're not even going to get through that skull probably.

2:15:47Luke Grimes:No, they say it won't. It'll literally bounce off its skull.

2:15:51Joe Rogan:That's crazy. That's so crazy. And Cam hunts them with a bow.

2:15:56Luke Grimes:He hunts grizzly bears? Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies with a bow.

2:16:00Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:16:01Luke Grimes:Does he hunt out of a tree? How do you do that? On the ground. No, dude. Why? Spot and stalk.

2:16:05Joe Rogan:Oof. Yeah. I'm good on that. Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. And his attitude is, well, if this is how I go, this is how I go. I go doing what I love. He's got some crazy pictures. See if you can find some pictures of Cam with a grizzly bear. He's got one where he killed this massive one, and he's holding up its paw. and its paw is like as big as my torso. It's fucking huge. It's fucking huge. There's such a, some guy recently, I think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed. I sent it to camp. Oh, damn. Yeah, look at that paw. Look at the claws. Look at the claws on that thing.

2:16:44Joe Rogan:No way. Yeah. And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground. Click on that. The size of that fucking thing, man.

2:16:52Luke Grimes:Do you know what state he's hunting in? That was in Alaska.

2:16:54Joe Rogan:That's the only state you can hunt them. I was going to say it's probably illegal in most, right? Yeah, it's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason. It probably shouldn't be in, like, Wyoming and Montana. It's gotten to the place where they really probably shouldn't. Maybe there's just not enough of them other than in Alaska, I would imagine. I mean, I don't think so. I think the real problem is once they're not listed, it's very difficult to get them on a list, you know, to get tags allocated for them. There's the video of him shooting it. Damn. Look at the size of that fucking thing, man.

2:17:35Luke Grimes:That's what I'm saying. What if it just right there gets pissed off? It can.

2:17:38Joe Rogan:Well, there's a guy right behind him with a gun. There's a guy right behind him with a rifle, which is also weird. Like anytime you're bow hunting and a guy has to have a rifle, I think you should probably just use a rifle. Right. This is my perspective. Just wait a few months. Yeah. If I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I would definitely bring a rifle. I just don't see myself doing that. But I know a lot of my friends have. And you have to kill a certain number of them just to keep the populations of the moose and the elk and everything else in check. Because otherwise there's nothing going to stop them.

2:18:08Joe Rogan:And then you have a situation like you have in Montana or like you have in Wyoming. where there's a lot of interactions with people. People wind up dying. And there's no fear. Because in Alaska, they're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them. And that's the better relationship. The relationship where they have zero fear of people, that's not good. And that is Montana, and that is Wyoming, and that is Idaho. Look at that guy. So is this the largest one? It's the second biggest ever taken by 100. It's 1 ,600 pounds. Look at the fucking size of that thing. Dude, that's terrifying.

2:18:48Joe Rogan:Yeah. Good Lord. That is immense. Makes me think. Have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio recently? Yeah, a bunch. I kind of think it's someone fucking with people, obviously. But maybe not. I don't know.

2:19:04Luke Grimes:What are they seeing? Are there bears? There's bears in Ohio, I guess.

2:19:08Joe Rogan:There are. and they're black bears in Ohio and they do walk upright sometimes. He's probably a dude in a suit, man. He's probably meph. I think the various sizes I've seen up to like 11 down to 8 feet. Yeah, but they're just guessing. You don't know how big a thing is. You have a fucking tape measure. You go, excuse me, Mr. Bigfoot, stand still for a moment here. Okay, stand up straight. Put this under your heel.

2:19:31Luke Grimes:I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real, man. Oh, I wish so bad. I had a dude at a show last night

2:19:36Joe Rogan:who told me his dad was one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson-Gimlin footage. No way. Yeah. Yeah, so his dad was that guy.

2:19:44Luke Grimes:I feel like we know now that it can't be real because of how many trail cameras there are in the world. Yeah. We would have seen him a few times.

2:19:51Joe Rogan:I've never met a hunter that's seen one. No. Including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time. Although I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan where we went looking for Bigfoot. We went to the places where Bigfoot's normally seen. It's a person in an island. A person in a Sasquatch costume, obviously. No pictures, please. I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's probably someone fucking around. Six different sightings. March 6th, 7th, and 9th, and 10th. Wow. All different people? Yeah. Huh. Boy, I hope it's real. It would be awesome. That's what I'd also be like.

2:20:32Joe Rogan:Maybe it's just a group of friends that are high. I'm like, you know what we're going to do every night for the next fucking week.

2:20:36Luke Grimes:We're all gonna call this fucking number and see what happens or we're gonna run around the woods

2:20:42Joe Rogan:But that's a good way to get shot like some crazy dude. Who's like I'm gonna prove Bigfoot's real Oh for sure and he just fucking blast you don't do it during hunting season. Yeah big mistake I think it used to be a real thing

2:20:55Luke Grimes:That's what I think Bigfoot yeah, you thought it you think it was actually here at some point

2:20:58Joe Rogan:Yeah, yeah, because there's too many Native American words for it the Native Americans. I think we looked this up They have dozens of names that different tribes have for the same thing, a big, hairy, wild man that lives in the woods. I think it was a gigantopithecus. I think at one point in time, it was a real creature.

2:21:18Luke Grimes:Have they found any bones or anything?

2:21:20Joe Rogan:Yeah, the gigantopithecus bones. They've only found them in Asia. They've never found them in North America. But when the Bering Land Bridge was attached, a lot of animals came across from Asia and made their way into North America through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest. And a lot of people have seen them in Alaska. Alaska is like a hotbed for sightings, too. I think those people are cracked out. I think that's probably bears. But I think the Native American stories, I think it's a thousands and thousands of years old thing, I think way back in the day. Like I was watching this guy named Michael Button.

2:21:55Joe Rogan:He's been on the podcast before and he's a historian who really focuses on ancient civilizations. And he was doing this whole video on YouTube about how little is left over. Like how rare it is to make a fossil. I think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of years and yet we only have like thousands of fossils. and what's the possibility of a fossil existing from a civilization, like fossilized human being from a civilization 200 ,000 years ago. It's almost none. Most things never become a fossil. It has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil.

2:22:34Joe Rogan:And so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized ones. And that's a tiny fraction of what you find. And so if there was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here, Because we know there was humans that were living in North America. Now we know that they were here at least as far back as 22 ,000 years. Because of White Sands, New Mexico, they found footprints. And then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different organic matter that's in those footprints. And they get a carbon date of like around 22 ,000 years, which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like 13 ,000 years ago.

2:23:13Joe Rogan:And now they push that back at least another nine years. And they think it's probably these weren't the first. There's probably people there even further than that. So if humans were here, let's say they were here 50 ,000 years ago, that puts it in the timeline where Gigantopithecus could have been alive. Because I think the fossils that they found of Gigantopithecus are 100 ,000 years old, which is just fossils, right? Like you never know. And they didn't find that until the 1920s or 30s. they found teeth in an apothecary shop in china and this guy was there was an anthropologist like what where'd you get this because they were primate teeth but they were fucking huge and so then they took them to the place and they found jaw bones and a few other pieces and this thing they've determined because of the shape of the jaw bone that it was bipedal so it stood up on two legs and it was like eight to ten feet tall it was a giant giant primate that was in the orangutan species.

2:24:11Joe Rogan:Wow. So that could be Bigfoot. That could be what these people saw. Yeah,

2:24:15Luke Grimes:absolutely.

2:24:16Joe Rogan:So it probably existed in North America at one point in time. But around the time of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which is 11 ,800 years ago, somewhere around 65 % of all North American megafauna was eliminated. All the woolly mammoths, giant sloths, American lion. We We had a lion that was bigger than the African lion that was in North America.

2:24:42Luke Grimes:That Younger Dryas thing you're talking about, that's a comet hitting there? Yeah.

2:24:46Joe Rogan:Okay. Yeah. And that's what ended the Ice Age and that's what created the Great Lakes and that's what melted all the ice that covered most of North America back then during the Ice Age.

2:24:56Luke Grimes:And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened?

2:24:59Joe Rogan:Well, there's definitely debate, but there's a large group of legitimate scientists that are 100 % convinced that we were hit. It's a matter of what impact did that have and was that responsible because there's a berserker theory The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything. We got so good at hunting but the problem with that theory is back then like there's not even evidence they had bow and arrow yet like they wouldn't be that good at it No, no, no, especially like that the American lion and like Mammoths and the giant sloths and there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were here back then And this is like Ice Age people with stone tip spears.

2:25:41Joe Rogan:Yeah, I don't like that. Did they kill these things? All of them? They killed all of them? Right. They weren't even riding horses. They were just on foot? Like, I don't know. Yeah. It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fucking comet. And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too.

2:25:57Luke Grimes:Oh, that's my favorite one. Out of all of the like— Me too. Bigfoot's the best one. Dude, he's awesome.

2:26:02Joe Rogan:Well, it's just, it would be a crazy thing to see, you know? Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings? No. I think they call them samurai recordings because it literally sounds like, almost like they're speaking Japanese. It sounds so fake. It sounds so fake. But these people are, there's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake and they want to fight you.

2:26:25Luke Grimes:Really?

2:26:25Joe Rogan:Oh, they're all in. They're so committed to Bigfoot. But the guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot hunting, they're so possessed by it.

2:26:33Luke Grimes:Where'd you go? Where was the... Pacific Northwest. Okay.

2:26:36Joe Rogan:It was like right outside of Seattle up there. I met this lady that was really convincing. She said that she saw this thing. She's like, why is there a gorilla in the woods? And she's like, oh my God, it's Bigfoot. And like, she didn't seem kooky at all. But I think what she saw was a bear and a bear standing... Like black bears stand up on their two legs and walk all the time. Especially if they have a hurt paw, they'll walk on two legs. I think she probably saw it. But Pacific Northwest is so crazy because I'm sure you've been up there, right? Yeah. The woods are so dense that it's like a box of Q-tips.

2:27:08Joe Rogan:That's how I describe it. You can't hardly see anything. So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees just for a few steps, that might be the only thing you see. And your head just starts spinning and you start creating this imaginary narrative. Here's the recordings.

2:27:43Joe Rogan:I Did right This guy's talking oh my god, it's bigfoot

2:28:00Joe Rogan:It sounds so fake I don't buy that for a second Not a second But man people The Bigfoot dorks Like that show Finding Bigfoot I had that dude What's his name Bobo? Is that the dude's name? We had him on And I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit He's like no He's like so upset It looks so fake It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit And then the dude that they think that was wearing the suit. What is his name again? I forgot the guy's name. But the dude who they think was wearing the suit, he looked like Bigfoot. Like he walked like him. Yeah, he walked like that footage.

2:28:42Joe Rogan:Like he was a big old cowboy. Big old fucking tall ass cowboy. And he had to walk like a fucking gorilla. Roger Patterson. Roger Patterson. Well, Roger Patterson was the guy that filmed it, right? That's right. Patterson Gimlin footage. Right. I thought one of them was the one in the suit and the other one filmed it. Maybe I'm mistaken. But there's a side-by-side of the actual stupid video that they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot. And then this guy walking. And I think it was a different guy. Yeah, it could be. I forget his name. But it looks... I'm like, that's him.

2:29:15Luke Grimes:Have you ever had a flat earther on here? No.

2:29:19Joe Rogan:Sort of. I've had some people that want to dabble in it and shut the fuck up. That's the craziest one. I don't want to have that conversation with people. And people are like, yeah, because you lose. Because the Earth is flat. Listen, everything else is round. Why would this place be flat? Yeah, we can see all the rest of it. Why would everyone be lying? That's crazy. Why would the people that get up in the fucking space station be lying? We know it's circles. We've seen it. It spins around.

2:29:44Luke Grimes:We have pictures of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:29:46Joe Rogan:We have satellites. They think all the satellite images of Earth are fake. They think everything is fake. I think a lot of that's just schizophrenia sure And then a lot of it is like somehow or another it's biblical it's people believe that it's That we're trying to hide it from us because they don't want us to know that God is real

2:30:05Luke Grimes:Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us

2:30:09Joe Rogan:Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say it doesn't say the earth is flat right never Never talks about it being flat. You know like they figured out the earth was round thousands of years ago. Like, snipers have to calculate the curvature of the Earth when they're making shots.

2:30:25Luke Grimes:Yeah, there's too many things against it. Like, the fact that we've seen it is the biggest one. We know exactly what it looks like.

2:30:31Joe Rogan:I had Roger Avery on the other day, the director. He's a really interesting guy. And he went down a bunch of, maybe too many, flat Earth rabbit holes. And he was like, well, you know, pilots don't have to adjust for the curve of the Earth. And then I talked to a friend of mine who's a pilot. He goes, you know why? Autopilot. It keeps you at an altitude. That makes sense.

2:30:50Luke Grimes:Because you're the same distance from the Earth, so that would make sense that you would go on the curve.

2:30:55Joe Rogan:Yeah, fucking durr. It's just that being something that people would... What's really interesting is there's this one guy who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them that the Earth is round. And this idea that there's a... And there was one guy, and he flew him out there, He's like, I can't believe I believe this. It's amazing. He spends money. He spends his own money taking these guys up there for free, educating. How does he prove it from up there? He just flies them up there and shows them you actually can fly over Antarctica. They don't want you flying over there because if you crash, no one's going to come get you.

2:31:34Joe Rogan:You're dead. Right. But people do fly over it. The idea that you can't is stupid. There's no secret World War II base. There's no wall there. They're probably doing some weird experiments and shit up there, though. I do think that's true. Like, there's some people that have some pretty convincing stories of direct energy weapons and things that they're developing up there. And there's a neutrino detector that they have up there that a lot of people think does a lot more than that. They think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather. It's a weird rabbit hole to go down.

2:32:06Joe Rogan:Sure. But I'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit that we don't know about up there. Yeah.

2:32:11Luke Grimes:And it's so weird, like, in this time that we have all the information or like nobody trusts the government anymore. Has it always been like that?

2:32:22Joe Rogan:It has been a little bit that nobody trusts the government, but now there's reason to not trust them because we've seen what they've done with real events. Like the Epstein files and a lot of other stuff where you're like JFK, where you're like, why don't you just fucking tell us what you know? in the interest of national security. Some things must be redacted. Right. There's a reason to not trust them.

2:32:48Luke Grimes:Yeah, like growing up, you see like older guys are always, they didn't trust the government. The world's going to shit, all this stuff. And I'm like, am I just getting old? Or is this happening to everyone? Are we all doing this now?

2:32:58Joe Rogan:I think as you get older, you also take in enough information that you know that they're not being straight with you about anything.

2:33:03Luke Grimes:Right.

2:33:04Joe Rogan:I mean, that has always been my argument about the moon landing. Like you think that they're going to not lie about this one thing when they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks. Everything in the 1960s they lied about. Sure. Because they could. There was no.

2:33:20Luke Grimes:Exactly. You know, they controlled all the information.

2:33:22Joe Rogan:Yeah. But that's what's interesting about today. Like that's why there's less trust in the government than ever because we have more access to information. So there's more reason to not trust them.

2:33:33Luke Grimes:Yeah.

2:33:34Joe Rogan:You know, it's like it's a squirrely time.

2:33:36Luke Grimes:Right. Yeah, that's why I like living in Montana. When it all goes down, I'll be way far away from all of it.

2:33:42Joe Rogan:You ever see anything in the sky? You see like, what the fuck is that?

2:33:45Luke Grimes:You see anything weird? Nothing crazy, no. When we did decide to move there, my wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and the sky put on a little performance for us. That was part of the, like, I think we're supposed to move here. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was, you know, it was a little induced. but uh yeah it was and we both saw it and we were with people who didn't see it that were also

2:34:09Joe Rogan:on mushrooms so interesting so it was a show just for you guys that's what it felt like

2:34:15Luke Grimes:yeah and we both were like are you we were making sure it was the same thing and our friends were

2:34:19Joe Rogan:like what are you talking about did they take the same dose yeah yeah so i think uh that was they weren't supposed to go there that's right maybe it's a fate thing yeah we felt very

2:34:29Luke Grimes:spiritually connected to it after that?

2:34:32Joe Rogan:Well, it's a good place to be spiritually connected to. It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it. It's one of the last places, like Wyoming's like that as well, it's one of the last places where it's not tainted. Even though there's cities there, it's settled, it's like it's so much more wild than it is tame that you still get this feeling of like humble. You get humbled by just the vast

2:34:58Luke Grimes:spectacular nature of it yeah it's almost like we feel like nature is the novelty these days and it's like no man that everything that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete on should be the novelty the nature is the actual thing that's the way we're supposed to be yeah you know we've all kind of like flipped that in our head and obviously i'm not you know i have the luxury to be able to live out in a place like that but the more i live there the more i feel like Like this is how I was meant to live, you know, me personally. I can't talk for anyone else, but I'm just in a way better place mentally and otherwise.

2:35:31Joe Rogan:Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic, like above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle. They filmed him this Vice documentary called Heinemann's Great Adventure, and this guy's been living there since like the 1970s. He moved up there, and he's got a log cabin, and he just lives up there. All he does is hunts caribou and goes fishing, and he's a really smart guy. And this, like, nerdy reporter with glasses goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days. And, you know, the guy was really, like, really compelling in the way he was describing, like, I think this is how people are supposed to live.

2:36:13Joe Rogan:Like, I'm so much more calm and at peace. It seems natural and normal. Like this is how you're supposed to live and all he does is just like hunting fish and He gets like some supplies dropped off to him Like canned goods and shit baking soda or whatever But most of his life is just living off of the land the proofs in the pudding man when i'm when i'm when i'm in a city for

2:36:35Luke Grimes:A long time and i'm on my phone i'm looking at instagram and all that stuff It takes a week before I feel insane like completely crazy And if I just put that stuff away and go outside even in a city like if i just put that stuff down for a little bit and go outside and connect with the person i feel you know infinitely better yeah and if you just look at you know the stuff on your phone and you're so sucked into that you would believe this is this the world is a shitty place but then if you don't look at that and you go outside and you live your real life it doesn't take long before everything feels good again yeah like you have hope again you you know you're you're meeting your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going to the post office like everything feels pretty good out there it's just your phone telling you that this place is

2:37:20Joe Rogan:terrible yeah that's the this is the big bridge to crazy much more than cities is these fucking

2:37:27Luke Grimes:things oh yeah they're the bridge to crazy and like that's what ai is learning from it's only learning from all this terrible information we're putting online so and it's accelerating it can't learn from the real world it can't go to the grocery store and see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part right 99 of what you do out in your real life is fine right you know but it's only going to see the worst of all of us and then and then show us that even more show that

2:37:53Joe Rogan:back to us because that's all it knows right that's really scary to me man it is scary and it's never going to really appreciate a great song it's never going to really appreciate art it's not going to appreciate love or community or friendship or any of those things no it's not going to appreciate the feeling that you have. You could just call your neighbor up and go over to his house and shoot 500 yards in his backyard. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? It's not going to get that. Right. It's not going to get how cool that is that that guy's 70 years old. He hits a deer. He's like brushes it off.

2:38:23Joe Rogan:Fucking 70. Yeah. 70 years old hitting a deer.

2:38:26Luke Grimes:You're supposed to be dead as fuck. No, man. Not him. He looks like John Wayne. Yeah. That guy's crazy. I and you, we can appreciate that.

2:38:34Joe Rogan:Yeah. That fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that. They go, get off the motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave.

2:38:41Luke Grimes:Yeah. And, dude, dude, talking about music, it can make good songs, though. I've heard you play someone here, and my friends will just, you know, whatever apps they have, I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll just give it a prompt, and the song is incredible. Yeah. And it does it in 10 seconds.

2:38:55Joe Rogan:It's spooky.

2:38:56Luke Grimes:It's really weird, man.

2:38:57Joe Rogan:But it's only doing it derivatively. Like it's only taking the songs that other people have written and just making sort of a some sort of a conglomeration of them spitting it out. Or it's redoing like an old hip hop song in like a blues style or, you know, something like that.

2:39:17Luke Grimes:Unfortunately, that's 99 percent of what humans do, too. Right. You know, it's all derivative anyway.

2:39:22Joe Rogan:I know. But at least it's a person. Yeah. Something to me about even if it's derivative, if it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a dude and his friends did that.

2:39:33Luke Grimes:Yeah. You know? Yeah. And you can get behind a person as an artist and like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore.

2:39:41Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. That's the silliness. That is so silly, isn't it? Like if you really start to take off, someone's going to eventually go, fuck that guy. I knew that guy when he was just fucking just starting out. He was pretty good. His songs were good.

2:39:54Luke Grimes:and then he made it. It's going to be controversial, but the first Coldplay album is still amazing. But they got so huge that everyone hates Coldplay now. And you're like, but they are really good.

2:40:05Joe Rogan:I like Coldplay.

2:40:06Luke Grimes:I do too. But music nerds are like, they can't do Coldplay because they're doing stadiums and your mom likes them now.

2:40:14Joe Rogan:I think that was one of the things that people didn't like about Nickelback because Nickelback was almost like the first AI. You know what I mean? like that rock star song that was like that was like an ai version of like a lot of like like cypress hill had a rock star song that was like but cypress hills sounds so much more general like genuine whereas the nickelback one is like almost like these guys are just too ai it's almost like

2:40:42Luke Grimes:it was is the beginning of sort of like auto tune and all that stuff but auto like really good auto tune that you couldn't tell not like the auto tune that's in rap where you know they're auto tuned on purpose it was like everything's so perfect and it almost doesn't sound like humans

2:40:57Joe Rogan:playing music right and the subject matter is like i've heard all this stuff before yeah that's the problem right down the middle yep yeah it was ai nickelback was the first ai music yeah i don't know people are weird with their taste and they want you to like what they like that's what's really weird like you have to like what they like yeah or they get mad at you yeah for sure what are you gonna do well listen man i really enjoyed talking to you it's a lot of fun thanks for having i love your fucking show i can't wait to watch marshals because i love you on um yellowstone it's a fucking great show i'm really bummed out that your wife's dead now though

2:41:32Luke Grimes:that sucks yeah it was it was rough i didn't i didn't i love kelsey and we love working together But, you know, ultimately, you don't want to just sit and watch a guy be happy. That wouldn't be a very good show. You know, he needed a motor.

2:41:47Joe Rogan:You guys had a cool relationship, though. I know. It was fun.

2:41:50Luke Grimes:But he had his dream life, and they were happy together. So you can't watch that for 50 hours or however long this ends up going.

2:41:58Joe Rogan:Well, he knows how to mix it up, I'll tell you that. A dude knows, Taylor knows how to fucking throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy. Absolutely. Make it interesting. so I can't wait to watch it.

2:42:08Luke Grimes:Thanks, buddy.

2:42:09Joe Rogan:Thank you. Thanks for being here. Bye, everybody.