#2476 - Shanna H. Swan

30:26He went. He had to do it at night. He went at night, wrestled them into the boat. And I have pictures of that. Took them to his lab. Measured their penises. Measured their penises. They must have been very confused when they got let go. Like, what is this guy kinky with? What is his thing? You know, and they had fewer eggs. Right. So they're a declining species. That's just a very dramatic example of, you know, can you put up penis size and alligator penis size? I'm just wondering. As if you don't already Google that, Jamie. Let me find you a photo. I asked our perplexity of this thing, and it says, yeah.

31:13So our sponsor, Perplexity, said, yes, this has actually been documented in wild alligators. Males in heavily polluted lakes have, on average, smaller penises and other reproductive problems linked to hormone-disrupting chemicals. We are shrinking alligator penises, ladies and gentlemen. And not only alligator penises. Twenty to twenty-five percent smaller penis sizes compared to males from a cleaner reference lake. males of lower testosterone levels, around 70 % lower, abnormal relationships between hormone levels and penis growth, unlike alligators from cleaner lakes. Alligators from polluted lakes also show other reproductive issues, abnormal sex hormone patterns, altered gonads, low hashing success, various birth defects, all consistent with exposure to endocrine-disrupting contaminants, EDCs such as DDT derivatives, deildrin, PCBs, and related compounds.

32:08Wow. So it's all endocrine disruptors from pollution. Oh, boy. Yeah, I mean, you would think that this would sound the alarm. And this is not new. This is, who's dead? This is old work. Oh. And no one knows. Yeah, it's never discovered. First of all, there's not a lot of people that say, first problem on my list today, alligator penis sizes. It's a real issue. Like you're in front of Congress. We've got to talk. Alligator penis sizes are shrinking. They'd kick you out of the building. Actually, he, Lou Gillette, went to Congress and he gave talk and he said, every man in this room is half the man his grandfather was.

32:53As far as testosterone levels, right? And penis size. Well, he didn't measure their penis. Dig grandpa up and check it out. He was making this point. Yeah, I understand. Almost, yeah. Well, I mean, it completely makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is how little attention that's being paid. You would think that in a society that is – I mean, America is also facing a potential population collapse. People don't think about that. But our reproduction numbers, we're not – yeah, they're down quite a bit. And they're not at the level that we need in order to keep our population. It's the – you know, the normal shape of the population is like this, right?

33:30So this is up here, not very many people. And down here, lots and lots of people. And this is in terms of age, older, younger, at the bottom. And it's going like this. Right. Lots of people are living longer, but few are down here. And then what that means is the ones down here are supposed to support the ones up here. But there's not enough of them. But not enough of them. Right. Yeah. So it's a huge societal problem. Well, it's just so confusing how few people are even aware of this. We were talking – I didn't realize it had been five years since our last podcast, which is pretty crazy. But in that five years, you barely hear about it.

34:07It's occasional. People bring up certain chemicals they think are bad. Oh, avoid this. Paul Saladino was the one that showed that the paper cups that you get from a coffee shop, that if you take that paper away, what you have is essentially this plastic membrane. And that's what you're drinking your coffee out of. You're not drinking your coffee out of paper. and how terrible these things are for you. But even that, it's like people just dismiss it. The line around Starbucks is always the same. There's always people going to get their coffee. They don't think anything of it, and they're just consuming these chemicals that mess up your health, mess up your vitality, your energy levels, everything, brain fog, all these.

34:49But whose responsibility is it? Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours. It's certainly yours and mine. And we'll spread this word and more people discuss it. And I think more people need to be aware that this directly impacts you. Like this is not like in the future. I don't have to think about it. I'll be dead. No, it directly impacts your health, your energy levels, your vitality right now as a living human being listening to this show. So just to add to that how it affects you, not you. Humans. Maybe your levels are lower. I don't know, but we'll find out. But both men and women who have lower fertility on average, these are studies.

35:37There have been about four or five studies that have shown this. Lower fertility and sperm count on the male side die younger. Die younger. Okay? This should be of concern to everybody. Well, it makes sense. You have less vitality. You have less energy, less life force. The things that affect your sperm, your vitality, your testosterone are also affecting. It's a canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots of things that are going south at the same time. Which completely makes sense. And as the case of my friend Phillip, all this fatigue, all these issues that he was experiencing. Yeah. Yeah, it's not just one – never just one thing.

36:18Right. Yeah. It's – it is quite disturbing how uncommon these discussions are though. That's what's crazy. You know, that this is a – this should be a huge factor. I mean we get concerned with so many – oh, there's people concerned with alcohol consumption. It's a big thing. Like that has had an impact. children today, or young adults I should say, today are consuming much less alcohol than people in the past. Cigarette smoking, we're aware, very dangerous. Much less cigarette smoking than in the past. The consumption of these endocrine disrupting chemicals is essentially the same as when we talked five years ago.

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39:44Pretty good. Yeah. Okay, we can talk about that. But compared to chemicals in our daily products, the products we use every day, it's fantastic because the regulatory agencies are not doing the job. Right. Okay? And so that's why it's all out there because they're not doing the job. Here, in Europe, it's much better, by the way. Is it? Yeah. Well, that's bad because they're going to beat us. They'll out-reproduce us. will go away and they'll take over. No more America. We have to get people angry enough to put pressure on, you know, there's a bill, the TOSCA Toxic Substances Control Act, which should be doing a lot of this.

40:36And I think it's coming up for revision. And, you know, maybe people can pay attention to that and read about it and, you know, think, government should be doing this. It's not our job. It's not our job to worry about what's in our pants and what's in our this and our this and our this. You were asking what kind of denim and so on. Should we have to read up on that? Are there dyes for jeans and clothes that are not toxic? Yes, but as I said, this is not my area. I understand. Yeah, you got to get, But I can give you a name if you want to get somebody on clothing on this. Yeah, I'd be happy to.

41:15Yeah, yeah. But just because it was relatively new to my consciousness when I was doing the film and before that, we didn't collect data on that, unfortunately. Maybe we should do another study. Which reminds me, there is just like so much work to be done. And for my program, there's so many interventions I want to do. We did this one, which great success, and now we're doing another one and we have another one. But if anybody wants to help with this, it's all privately funded. The government is not going to fund this. Right. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. So, you know, let me know if anybody comes to you and says, how can we help and all that.

41:59Well, I'm sure somebody will reach out. They usually do. The thing that I would imagine would be the response to something like this was that there are so many industries that are established already that require the use of all these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine-disrupting chemicals. And it's just everywhere. And it's everywhere in everything. They use plastic in the production of so many different things. These things are leaching into our food. They're leaching into our clothes. They're leaching into all these various products that we use that contribute to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting that.

42:40So you're aware of glyphosate, I'm sure. They were trying to eliminate glyphosate from the industrial agriculture. Good luck. Exactly. Well, the president passed an executive order blocking it because some enormous percent, 90-something percent of all of our food in terms of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country relies on glyphosate for production. And so the idea is we need poison so that we can make food, which is so crazy, especially when you consider the fact that all these other countries don't use glyphosate. and feed their population. So how are they doing it? And what do we need to do to get back on that track?

43:26And, you know, I had RFK Jr. in here to discuss it. And he was very crestfallen when he was explaining that there was an executive order passed and that, you know, he was working very hard to try to eliminate glyphosate in something that he discussed in, you know, previous meetings that he and I had. It was one of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic. It's terrible. It's just completely awful for your body, yet the use of it is ubiquitous in agriculture, industrial agriculture. And he was trying very hard to try to eliminate it. And then the government passes this executive order because in their estimation – Yeah, exactly.

44:03Pressure. Yeah. And this is what I worry about with – Yeah, of course. And I don't want to mention any names, but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands that people wear that are fitness. I'm healthy. I'm fitness wear. And these fitness wear that you're these clothings that you're wearing are leaching these chemicals into your body that are screwing up your health, which is so crazy. But it's so I don't want to say it's perfect, but it sort of encapsulates how screwed up our modern life is. Yes. The paradox. So I did a study on glyphosate. I mean, I examined our populations for glyphosate.

44:43And interestingly, they also have an effect on, remember anogenital distance? Yes. The taint size. The taint size. Yes. They influence the taint size. Yeah. Now, that's not, we did it in two studies and there's been some animal studies. I can't say this is an established fact, but I'm just pointing out that it has very, you know, many unforeseen consequences, none of them good. And by the way, I was asked to go to talk to RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another meeting. But I would love to talk to him about this because glyphosate is a big concern of mine. Well, I hope you do talk to him.

45:25Yeah, he has these roundtables on different scientific topics. So this one is on microplastics, which is not perfect for me because I haven't measured them. But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides, that would be a good place. Well, his hands are tied right now on the glyphosate issue momentarily. They have some non-toxic solutions. One of them is they have this new device, which is like the same way these machines pull the crops out of the ground. These machines go over the crops and zap all the non-essential crops with a laser beam. Non-essential crops, excuse me, non-essential plants. So weeds, I would say.

46:14So as the corn's growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping all the other stuff that's growing around it that's sucking up all the resources, all the weeds. Interesting, yeah. Yeah. That sounds like a good step. That's a great step. Because it minimizes the use of pesticides. Exactly. And I asked, does it have any residual effect on the food? He said, no. Well, that's great. But then, you know, farmers, one of the big problems is they're already barely making money. So if you now require them to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some gigantic weed zapping laser that has to cover who knows how many acres they're running these.

46:53I mean, I'm sure you're aware, but monocrop agriculture, for people who've never seen, some of these places that grow corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive pieces of land that only grow one thing, which in nature doesn't exist. So, of course, nature wants to rectify that. Nature's like, why is there only weed here? You need weeds. And so, you know, birds drop seeds. All these seeds fly in the wind. And then all these things grow. So you're going to have to get these machines that are capable of traveling over all of those crops and zapping out all the weeds. How much is that going to cost to people that are already struggling?

47:33Yeah. Because the American farmers are barely getting by, barely, and we need them. And the last thing you want to do is burden them with another cost. But also the use of – especially when it comes to things like wheat because they're using it after they harvest the wheat to dry it out quicker so that it doesn't grow mold on it. That's why they're using glyphosate. So it's not even – it's not even as a pesticide. I didn't know that. Yeah. They're using it as, I guess, a desiccator. Wow. Yeah. And that's why so many – theorized to be why so many people in this country have a problem with bread.

48:09You know? It should make sense. And with their taint. And their taint. Yeah. A lot of taint problems. A lot of people complaining. But it's just, it's so weird that we're so intelligent and so informed. And, you know, now we all have supercomputers in our pockets that have access to things like perplexity. They can answer any questions you have about anything. But yet we're being poisoned by the very food that we eat, the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we wear. The water we drink. The water we drink. everything. Here's a good question. Are there any good filters on a consumer level that will remove a lot of these chemicals from water that a person can buy?

48:52I can't name any brands. Right. But are they available? Yes, there are. Is it reverse osmosis? Like what are the ones that work the best? I'll tell you my solution in my house. Okay. That's very personal. We distill our water. So the water out of the tap goes into a big container and then it's boiled, steam is formed, crosses over, and the steam is condensed into another container, right? And that has nothing in it and removes everything. By the way, all germs also. So that's what we've chosen. And this thing that sits on the counter, my husband does this every other day. It's kind of a nuisance, but not too bad.

49:42And water is fantastic. Do you have to remineralize it? You should take minerals somewhere. You can do it in the water. You can do it in your supplements. It does remove the minerals, yes. Right. And that's what I've heard is the problem with drinking distilled water is that it actually leaches minerals and nutrients from your own body. That I don't believe. No? I don't believe that. Okay. But the water itself has had its minerals. Well, let's put it into perplexity. What is the issue with drinking distilled water for health purposes? And is it recommended that you add electrolytes or minerals or what have you?

50:22Because that's – so one of the things that fighters do when they're cutting weight, I don't think most of them do it anymore. But a lot of them were drinking distilled water so that the water would go in their system and right out of their system. Because cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if you know about this, but they have to weigh in a certain weight class. And essentially what they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24 hours before a fight, which is not a great idea. It's a terrible idea. So perplexity says it is generally safe to drink distilled water. Most people do not need to add minerals to it as long as they eat a reasonably balanced diet.

50:54Distilled water is simply what has been boiled and recondensed. So it's very low in contaminants and minerals. Health sources note that it is safe to drink but tends to taste flat because minerals like calcium, magnesium are removed. What about minerals? You get the vast majority of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium, et cetera, from food, not water. So distilled water alone does not usually cause deficiencies in healthy people with a good diet. However, some organizations and reviews point out that long-term use of very low mineral water may slightly reduce mineral intake. And in specific groups, children, heavy exercisers, there we go, people with certain illnesses could contribute to electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor.

51:35So when might adding minerals help? Distilled water is humane or only drinking water and your diet is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral-rich foods. Adding a pinch of mineral salt or using a remineralization cartridge. That sounds terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and improve taste. Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes and those on very restricted diets should be more cautious about relying exclusively on distilled water and may benefit from electrolyte or mineral replacement as advised by a clinician.

52:13I mean, I recommend people take electrolytes anyway. I always add electrolytes to water every day. Here's a funny anecdote. We have a cat. Which cat's name? His name is Archie. Archie. Archie. And Archie comes, patrols the house, and steals our water whenever possible. He comes and drinks from our glasses unless we cover them up. So they think Archie probably likes your water because it doesn't smell like poison to him. He loves our water. Oh. And he has the choice of his own water, which comes out of the tap. and he will 100 % prefer our distilled water. Which makes sense. If you think about a cat's sense of smell, it's got to be off the charts.

52:57Yeah. So he can probably smell like this water's got a bunch of junk in it. And when you do the process, which Stephen does every other day, and he goes to clean the container that you put the water in, it stinks. It really stinks. You would be shocked. Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our house. We have well water and then we have this crazy filter, this giant machine that filters all the water. It tastes delicious. But it's not distilled. I'm not saying that, you know, you shouldn't distill. That's an alternative. I mean, sorry, you shouldn't filter. That's an alternative. But I'm just saying what we chose to do.

53:40Right. And so the distilling, it removes chlorine and all these other issues that are in the water as well. Yeah. And fluoride, everything. Yeah. Fluoride is another one that's bananas that we add to water under the guise that it helps your teeth. Like, shut up. Brush your teeth. You know, I don't have any cavities. I don't use fluoride. I have fluoride-free toothpaste. I don't have fluoride in my water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb. It's completely connected to lower IQs. There's a direct correlation between higher fluoride content in water and lower IQs. But there's a giant business involved in selling fluoride to these municipal water supplies.

54:21I know. Which is nuts. More poison. And then there's chlorination. We are so screwed up. Chlorination. Yeah. And I've said for years I studied chlorination byproducts and they cause miscarriage. So it's got to be terrible for people that swim a lot in public pools, right? Yeah. Because then it's being absorbed by your skin. I don't know how much exposure you get in the relatively short time you're swimming. Let's find out. I don't know. Yeah. Let's find out. Put that into perplexity. How much of an issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools? Hmm. Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning so much.

55:03I like that. There's a little science. That question is going to get tossed around here by perplexity because it could go multiple ways with it. Is there too much chlorine? Like what are you – you know what I mean? Right. Okay. Let's say is chlorine exposure in swimming pools a health concern? Yeah. That's good. There we go. Let's try that. I bet it is. I mean it only makes sense. I would like to study someone like Michael Phelps, someone who spent like thousands of hours in a pool, whether or not it's affected his body in any way, whether or not there's like measurable chlorine levels. in his urine or what have you.

55:41Chlorine in properly maintained pools is generally considered safe, but it can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and airways. Well, that can't be good. And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute to respiratory problems in some people. What chlorine does in pools, it kills germs like bacteria and viruses in pools and is key for preventing infections and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated water. Public health guidance typically recommends free chlorine about one to four parts per million with pH 7.0 to 7.8 within this range. Disinfection is effective and side effects are usually mild.

56:17Common short-term effects, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin, common when levels are high, when chloramines build up, especially in indoor pools. Chlorabines form when chlorine reacts with sweat, urine, and other organic matter can become airborne and irritate the respiratory tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest in some swimmers and staff. Long-term regular heavy exposure in indoors, poorly ventilated pools has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms. Some studies suggest increased asthma risk. Okay, put this in as a follow-up question. Is exposure to chlorine through the skin responsible for any health issues.

57:16Let's just through the skin. See if there's any studies on that. Chlorine getting into the body through the intact skin from pool water does not appear to cause systemic whole body health problems in otherwise healthy people. Its effects are almost entirely local to the skin itself. What skin exposure actually does, chlorine is an irritant that strips the natural skin oils and disrupts the outer barrier, leading to dryness, tightness, itching. So put this in. um what exposure does chlorine have to healthy skin flora because healthy skin flora you know i i do jujitsu and um one of the things that happens with jujitsu is you get a lot of skin diseases like you get really people get ringworm staph infections well you're getting scratched up a lot you're rolling around on the the mats and if the mats are dirty and if it's just there's exposure to it you can have a problem and then one of the problems that people have is to treat that they use antibacterial skin soap so what that does is strips the skin of all the healthy floor which actually protects you yeah the con the counter to that i always bring this up i have no affiliation with this product but it's an excellent product it's called defense soap defense soap is uh my friend guy sacco he invented it he's a wrestling coach and his It was a solution using healthy things like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in the soap that kills the bad bacteria but does nothing to the healthy flora.

58:49That's great. Yes. So that's the only soap that I use. Chlorinated pool water does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but in healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers within hours to a day or so after swimming. So that's a problem if you swim every day then. Chlorine is a broad disinfectant, so it kills or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the skin surface. That's what you were saying, yeah. Reducing overall microbiome diversity right after swimming. Experimental and field studies show that even short exposure can cut measured microbiome diversity markedly, often cited around 30 to 40 percent, with composition shifting away from the usual dominant groups right after a swim.

59:33How long disruption lasts after leaving the pool, many of the resident species begin to recolonize from deeper skin layers, hair follicles, and the environment, and community composition tends to drift backward towards baseline over the next 24 plus hours. With frequent repeated swimming, daily or high volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically perturbed state with less time for full microbiome recovery in between exposures. I know a lot of people have switched their pools over to salt water pools for this very reason I think there's a problem with salt water pools in very high temperature areas though where it's not effective enough to stop mold and all the junk yeah do you want to see these products I brought?

1:00:25I would love to see these products you brought here you go These are for cleaning up your kitchen. Just a note on what you just said. What's up, Jimmy? A note on what you just said. A saltwater pool is still technically a chlorine pool. Oh, still a chlorine pool. It just makes the chlorine on site instead of pouring it in. Oh. Yeah. Salt systems work. Pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved in the water, usually around 2 ,700, 3 ,400 parts per million, which is about one-tenth the salinity of the ocean, and close to body fluid levels. the water passes through an electrically charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to convert some of that salt into active chlorine, mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite that sanitizes the pool.

1:01:11After chlorine does its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine as long as the system runs and there's enough salt. What's different from your standard chlorine pool, You still have free chlorine in the water at typical pool levels, about one to four parts per million. The difference is the source, salt generator versus liquid tablet chlorine, not the sanitizer itself. Most people find salt pools a bit gentler. The water feels softer, and continuous low-level generation can mean fewer chloramines, less smell and irritation if the system is sized and maintained correctly.

1:01:49Interesting. Okay, so it's still chlorine. So it still probably disturbs your microbiome, which sucks. This episode is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. April 15th is coming fast. There's been so many tax law changes this year, which means you're going to need an expert who has your back. You're in luck. TurboTax now has in-person locations nationwide. Walk into their tech-enabled stores and meet face-to-face with a TurboTax full-service expert who will get your best outcome. Your expert works to get you every doll you deserve while updating you as you go about your day. Head to TurboTax.com to find a store near you.

1:02:35It's sealed. Should I open it? It should be open. No, it's not. It's sealed. It's tight. What do we got in here? A lot of stuff. So in the movie, you'll see that I came to the homes of the participants with a big box, about this big. So this is obviously a very small part of that. This is just part of your kitchen. So these are bags that are safe, oven, freezer, microwave. It's called zip top. Yeah, they're silicone. They're made of silicone. Oh, okay. So silicone's okay. Silicone, there is food-grade silicone. Okay. And that is... Like spatulas? Yeah. And food-grade silicone is free of phthalates and bisphenols, so you can use that.

1:03:26Oh, this is a lot thicker. This is like... A lot thicker, yeah. Yeah. And so this is reusable? Is that the idea? Yeah, absolutely. And you just put your food in the fridge in that instead of in a... So you can buy these things? This company, Zip Top, do they make them specifically for that reason? Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. There's one of many companies that makes. So this is essentially like a Ziploc bag. Exactly. But it's way thicker. Yeah. Kind of cool. And so they make these larger as well. Yeah. Okay. There are a lot of good alternatives for food storage. You know, glass, of course, is really good.

1:04:05Mm-hmm. And ceramic is really good. It seems so much better, too, because it's not creating as much plastic waste since it's reusable. Right, right, right. Now, do you just run this through a dishwasher? Now, what about dishwashing solvents and detergents and stuff like that? There's always problems. Yeah. The world's filled with problems, Jamie. The pods are probably not great. Oh, right. Of course, right? Damn pods. Pods, tea bags, coffee pods, yeah. Remember when kids were eating Tide Pods? It's like nature's trying to get rid of some of the dummies. Okay. So this company. I think there's two of those in there.

1:04:47Yeah. These are just little examples, you know. Let's give this company a shout out. It's called Zip Top. And I guess they make them all sizes. This is like sandwich size. Yeah. This is, I guess, a snack size. And they make them larger too. Yeah. And they seal well, you know. That's another question that I had about sous vide. there's a lot of people that cook their food in these sous vide machines. A lot? Really? That's very common. Yeah. I thought it was kind of high, you know, kind of. In restaurants and stuff? Well, I mean, I know there's consumer versions of it that I know a lot of my friends use it.

1:05:27Yeah. They use it for wild game in particular because you can slow cook. So one of the things about wild game, it has very low fat content. And a lot of people find that it's more tender if you slowly cook. So let's say if you – like medium rare is like – what is medium rare? Like 135 degrees, I think. So what you would do is you would take this piece of meat and you would seal it up in a vacuum-sealed container. And you dunk it in this sous vide machine. And it keeps the water at 135 degrees. You can cook it for several hours at 135, and then you sear the outside of it. Nice, yeah. And so a lot of people like that.

1:06:09And it's really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff, like, you know, the fascia. Gristle, yeah. So is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food? It has to be, right? Why? Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting these vacuum-sealed plastic bags that the food goes in. Have you seen how sous vide works? You have to put it in plastic? Yes. Have you seen how these sous vide things work? No, then it's bad. Then it sounds just as bad as microwaving in plastic. Right. So what you do with sous vide is you season the food, and a lot of times you'll add, like, olive oil and things like that to the outside of it.

1:06:47You couldn't make it out of silicone? I would imagine you could, right? I don't know. Let's find that out. Has anybody made silicone-based sous vide bags? And do these sous vide bags leach chemicals? I just saw a discussion on Reddit about this, but they didn't really have an answer. Like they're asking if the temperatures might not be high enough. I don't know. Yeah. What are the temperatures that start these chemicals leaching from the plastics into your water? Because a lot of times they say don't leave a bottle of water in your car. That's right. Because your car can get really hot. Yes. So how hot is your car yet?

1:07:28It doesn't get that hot. It doesn't get like cooking hot. So it's like, what is... But if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers in them, like if they're made of silicone, you know, food-based, food, what is it? Food-grade silicone. Yeah, it's a similar... So it says, we use vacuum-sealed bags. We're really going through them right now, even on our early sous vide. I tried silicone reusable, and I wasn't happy. I don't really recall why. I think it was hard to get stuff in without a mess. Okay, that doesn't make any sense. Just deal with the mess. We made a switch to vacuum bags. I love it, but oof, we use a lot of bags.

1:08:06Okay. Put this into perplexity, please. Do sous vide bags leach endocrine-disrupting chemicals into your food when you cook with them? Let's try that. Sweet. We're learning things. Yeah. Does it have to be vacuum sealed? Yes. Probably, right, because you don't want water leaking in there? Yeah. You don't want water leaking in. I have a machine, and I use this vacuum-sealed machine. So if I get wild game and then I cut it up into pieces, and then I seal it in these vacuum-sealed bags to freeze it. Silicone-based sous vide bags are generally considered safe for food use and do not significantly leach – significantly is a weird word – leach harmful chemicals under typical cooking conditions.

1:08:51High-quality food-grade silicone is inert, PVA-free. This is silicone. though food grade silicone shows minimal chemical migration such as syluxanes especially compared to plastics can release microplastics like bpa um this is a silicone though um when you what is it what was the question that you asked how'd you phrase it well you were okay you write silicone vase sous vide bags. Just let's, not silicone based, just like plastic sous vide bags. Well, you know, they're going to leak stuff. Let's find out. Regular plastic sous vide bags. Let's see what it says.

1:09:40Right. But I want to make sure that it's vacuum sealed sous vide bags. It should know that we're talking about sous vide bags here. Regular plastic bags can be reasonably, I don't like that word, safe for sous vide if you use the right kind, food grade, BPA, and phthalate free and rated for hot food. But all plastics can leak some chemicals and the data specific to sous vide is still limited. What regular bags are safe? Look for bags made with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food grade and microwave safe. Is there a plastic that's microwave safe though? Is that real? These are considered safe with food up to around 190 to 195 Fahrenheit.

1:10:26Most brand zipper bags, Ziploc Glad, are polyethylene, BPA, and dioxin-free and are commonly used for sous vide at typical temperatures below 176. Purpose-made vacuum sealer or boil-in sous vide pouches, that's what I use, are specifically certified as food grade for cooking and are the safest plastic option if you want disposable. So it seems like it's reasonably safe to do that. A review by Utah's Department of Health notes that there's a lack of studies directly measuring chemical leaching from sous vide bags, but recommends using FDA compliant BPA and phthalate free plastics, which are not known for estrogenic activity and are considered safe for food contact.

1:11:13Okay.

1:11:17It says trout. See it says there? Yeah. One trout study found detectable BPA in fish cooked. But the problem is food, like, here's the problem. Freshwater lakes, if you're catching a trout in a freshwater lake, freshwater lakes have horrible levels of these chemicals in them. And most people do not recommend eating food from freshwater lakes, which is so crazy. You think, oh, I'm going to go catch a fish from a lake. This is going to be really healthy. It's right from nature. Uh-uh. No, we've ruined lakes. Yeah. What is the issue? Put this in. What is the issue with eating fish from freshwater lakes in America?

1:12:03What are the health issues? Health issues, yeah. eating fish from freshwater lakes in America. We've looked this up before. It's kind of stunning how much chemicals you get from a single fish that you would catch. So if you catch a trout from, you know, a regular lake, you go to a lake, it looks clean. I can see the bottom. Everything's fine. No, it's bad for you. In fact, I know a guy who is friends with someone who does a lot of fishing tournaments. So he goes to these fishing tournaments, catches a lot of fish, so he eats a lot of fish, obviously. And he got horribly, horribly sick because of heavy metal poisoning.

1:12:39Isn't that terrible? Crazy. You think you're eating fresh fish that you've caught yourself. It's got to be good, right? And it's got to be bad for the fish. Eating U.S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical contaminants like mercury and PFAS. And if eaten, undercooked or raw, parasites and some bacteria. Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely if they follow local advisories and avoid high-risk groups, pregnant people, young children, eating too much. Main chemical risks, mercury, methylmercury. Nearly all wild fish contain some mercury, but levels of many U.S. freshwater fish can be high enough to harm a fetus or a young child's developing brain and nervous system if eaten often.

1:13:22That's crazy. PFAS, forever chemicals. Many U.S. freshwater fish have measurable PFAS and, in some studies, show widespread PFAS plus mercury in fish tissue at levels that pose health risks for frequent consumers. PFAS exposure has been linked to changes in liver and kidney function, cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications, and increased risk of certain cancers. I don't know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune. Oh, they do say immune. Immune response, yes. Yeah, immune response. Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat fish. They catch them, you know, the Faroe Islands, and they catch them there.

1:14:03And so he looked at the levels of PFAS, and then he looked at their antibody response to vaccination. Oh. Down. Down. And so think of what that means in, you know, like it's time of COVID or whatever. I want to do an intervention where we take kids who are getting PFAS-free school uniforms. Remember I told you PFAS was in school uniforms? And then when they come in at age six for their first grade, they will have just had their booster. so then we could get their blood and see if the booster, you know, antibody levels were lower in the kids that had the PFOS uniforms versus the clean uniform. Booster for which vaccines?

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1:17:42But you should use those for your food too. But the sponges that most people use have a lot of chemicals in them. Of course. Makes sense. So these are better. Yeah, they're plastic sponges. And you get them in hot water, and you're scrubbing things, and some of the stuff probably gets in your plates and your food and your cooking ware. Yeah, so that's good. All right, what else we got here? Bees wrap. That's really nice stuff. What is this stuff? Actually, you can treat—this is some kind of paper that's been treated with beeswax, so nothing dirty there. And take it out. You'll see how nice it is.

1:18:18Okay.

1:18:22I love this stuff. I have a lot of it. So you feel the wax. That's the wax. Oh, in case you use that to wrap your food with. Yeah. And it seals on itself. And you just rinse it out afterwards. So you don't have to use saran wrap and, you know, all these. It does seal on itself. It seems like a form fits around things. You can put it on an egg or a tomato or anything you want. Well, with my friend Phillip, I guarantee he eats a lot of sushi. He runs a sushi place. And if you ever go to a sushi place, all the fish is wrapped in plastic. Yeah. They're always wrapped in plastic. And then they cut it open.

1:19:00And so there's exposure to all this stuff. All right. You should use this stuff. Yeah. Probably has the same level of sealing as plastic does. Might be more expensive, though. Yeah. What's your health worth? Right. But it's also reusable, which plastic isn't. Oh, absolutely. Just wash it. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like it's probably economical in the long run. Because plastic wrap, you don't reuse unless you're a psycho. And it gets all over the world. Right. Everywhere. I'm sure you've seen the Pacific Garbage Patch, which is crazy, right? These are bags. And these bags are called WOWE, W-O-W-E.

1:19:40Right? And what is this? It's another food storage, you know, choice, option. Paper? No. No, no, it's cloth. Cloth, but clean cloth, yeah. And so you use this? Like for bread, it's really good. Bread, cookies, you know, stuff like that. Okay. Yeah, we use those. And so is this all, all these different products listed on your website so people can find solutions? They're listed on the Million Marker. There's a card there to scan the QR code, and you can go to that. but it would be nice if it was like a one so if you scan the QR code is there a one stop shop like people listening to this right now can we send them to a website what website would that be I don't I can't remember look at the card this one tips for detox journey so this is the QR so if I scan this right now it'll take me there yeah that's my phone this world that we live in And we're not ready.

1:20:47Okay. It says the website is millionmarker.com. Chemical glossary. So this is the chemical glossary that's on this card. But it doesn't. Not the products, right? It doesn't say the products. It says partners. So there's products on that other website I told you, Unplastic Your Life. unplasticyourlife.com so that's a place where people can go and see these products so there's three steps unplasticyourlife.com action hub protect yourself and then it can tell you how to protect yourself against various things in different rooms I have it by rooms what is this one Jamie this is the same website I just already went to the action hub so when you go to unplasticyourlife.com it takes you to OSP OPS society It redirects to this website.

1:21:43Got it. And then go to the Action Hub, protect your family. And then are the products listed down there? Okay, yeah. There it is. Okay. Single. Okay. Non-plastic bags, non-steel cookware. Got it. Replace the plastic cutting boards with wood. So I think some people use titanium, which is fine too, right? And then what above that? What's above that? steal single-use drinking water containers, never use plastics to store your food in, never heat plastics. Holy. Save your skin by selecting personal care products with natural ingredients, such as in glass or tin packaging. Oh, boy. So disturbing. Washing your clothes.

1:22:32Mm-hmm. Yeah. By the way, we didn't talk about smell. Smell. But everything that's fragranced has phthalates. Of course. And, you know, like you think you're doing good if you hang that little pine tree in your car. Not good? Not good. And you plug in things in the wall so as to clean up your air and, you know, refresh your air and so on. Not good. There's ones that are in cars now, like certain cars. I think Mercedes has one where you refill it and you can – it actually will spray air freshener through the vents. Does a Mercedes do that? I think it's Mercedes, which makes sense. You know, luxury.

1:23:18I want to smell like lavender as I'm driving. Oh, look at me in my luxurious car smelling lavender, dying of chemical exposure. We asked women on this – you know, our study. We said, what do you use? And then we said, was it fragranced? And anything where they said that was fragranced, their body burden of phthalates was higher. Of course. What about natural deodorants? I don't know. Yeah. You have to look it up. Because I use natural deodorant to try to avoid a lot of that stuff. On the product for it on their website, it says it's a miscellaneous dangerous good, I think. What? I don't know what that is.

1:23:57What? It says miscellaneous dangerous goods. Maybe it's when they ship it or something like that. What are you looking at? Dangerous substance. The interior of the vehicle will be fragrances. It says it right there. This is under Mercedes, under their smell. Aroma system, Pacific mood. Ooh, I want a Pacific mood. I'm living on the coast. I'm fabulous. And it says miscellaneous dangerous goods, other dangerous substances. That's crazy that it's labeled that way. The interior of the vehicle can be fragranced to suit your own individual preference with the air balance package. Flacon, Pacific Mood, lemon and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of spices.

1:24:39Ah. But meanwhile, it's probably not good for you. So what is in there? They're engineered specifically. Does it say what? They're also subject to rigorous testing, which means each part comes fully certified. In the end, you can be sure that your vehicle will perform up to its potential mile after mile. Let's see what this word meant. I don't know if you want to try this. Whoa. Can you say that word, doctor? Oh, no.

1:25:09I'm guessing it means dangerous goods, but why am I not? Other dangerous. They're calling it dangerous. That sounds really crazy. Miscellaneous dangerous goods. Like hazard warnings. This is crazy. Like why? But why would they say that? Put it on their website, yeah. And then you're spraying it and you're breathing it in. It could be very well like one of those California rules where they say like, This building has got dangerous chemicals that could cause cancer in people and it has to be on everything. Oh, this is a turn. Yeah. But it's just weird that that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in and smell.

1:25:42I've heard another thing that's really bad for you is incense. Probably varies with what's in it. I wouldn't blanket all incense. I haven't studied that. Well, let's put that into perplexity. Because I know candles are bad for you. Scented candles in particular. Scented, yes. Yes, there's their aroma again. Yeah. See, one of the things that phthalates do is they cause something to hold scent, retain scent. So they're put into perfume and they're put into makeup and they're put into, you know, the things you put on your wall. And so, you know, you want something to smell for a long time. You're going to use phthalates.

1:26:24It says burning incense products, smoke and chemicals that can irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and allergies and with heavy long term use in poorly ventilated spaces may increase risk for heart disease and some cancers. You know, you think incense, you go over someone's house, they do yoga, they eat vegan, they burn incense, they must be healthy. Right. long-term health risks, repeated long-term exposure daily for years, been associated in studies with increased risk of bronchitis, reduced lung function in children, and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily exposed to temple incense.

1:27:04God. Epidemiological studies, mostly in Asian populations with heavy daily use, have linked long-term incense exposure to higher rates of cardiovascular problems, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb, what's that word? Ischemia. Ischemia. What's that mean? What does ischemia mean? That can't be good. Sounds terrible. What is ischemia? What is ischemia?

1:27:37Lack of blood flow to part of a body, usually because of an artery, is narrowed or blocked. severe or prolonged the affected tissue could be damaged or die oh great oh wonderful so you think about incense you think like healthy natural people oh they burn incense it sounds lovely it sounds like they're spiritual oh incense I used to love incense I used to use it all the time thought it was cool made you like you know be more peaceful incense bad for you everything's bad for you you know what's bad for you these straws if you trip with them you know a lot of people have died these are metal straws really they've died because they're on their phone and they're not paying attention they stub their toe and fall and this thing goes through their eyeball and they die yeah okay i won't recommend that but also you could die just falling i mean if you're falling and you're holding a steel straw throw it to the side that's my advice so if you want to do this little experiment of one that we're talking about okay and of one unless jamie wants to do it too jamie's in look at him he's down um then jenna or somebody on our team if you had an hour half an hour i don't know how long it took call you said ask you what did you use what did you use what did you use for this this this right right and then they'll recommend what to change.

1:29:09Right. I recently underwent this plasmapheresis thing. Yeah. And that's supposed to remove a lot of that stuff from your blood. Correct? So my body. I'll tell you what. The next day, I was very tired that day. Like exhausted that day. But the next day afterwards, I felt like lighter. I felt like, whoa, this is crazy. I felt like I had more energy. It was like kind of late at night. I was like, I'm not tired at all. This is weird. Like I felt different. So that would be great. Are you going to do it again? No, I just did it. I mean, I would do it again, but I just did it a few days ago. I was just wondering if you measured chemicals in your urine before you did that.

1:29:51I should have done that. And then after that. I don't have any pee laying around from before. No. I don't like stuff. But I could do it now, and maybe I have very low levels, and we could attribute that to it. Because I haven't done the best job. Like I said, I did get rid of my plastic coffee machine at home. I did that about three or four weeks ago. One of the things that's done is it's made my morning coffee a lot harder to get. It's more of like a ritual now because I use a steel water boiler thing that heats it up to 200 degrees. and then I have a steel French press and I grind the beans in a steel thing.

1:30:35Right. And then I pour the beans in the French press and it takes 15 minutes rather than 30 seconds. How does it taste? It tastes way better. But I'm a big coffee drinker. I love coffee, but I like it black. Like I love the flavor of coffee. Yeah, me too. I really do. And so it just tastes better. French press, I think, is the best way to drink coffee anyway. And so I kind of decided, like, why am I – I'm avoiding all these microplastics. I don't drink out of plastic or paper cups. I do all these different things. Why am I still using a plastic coffee machine? I look at that thing every morning, and I was like, yeah, but it's going to get me coffee right now.

1:31:09So I press the button to get my coffee right now. Then I was like, that's stupid. So now I just – I only use something like this. Cool. Yeah. So I'd be interested to see if maybe I have low levels because I certainly feel like my body – It felt refreshed, like I had less inflammation. But that's like a two-hour procedure. It's a pain in the butt. You've got to sit there for two hours. You look like a psycho. I should have taken a photo of what I looked like while I was doing it because I was laying there and I had cords in this arm and cords in that arm. So I had blood coming out of that arm and going back into that arm.

1:31:51It was really kind of nutty. How expensive? I don't know. Oh. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure it's not cheap. But the benefits of it in terms of like the people that I know that have done it said it's a game changer in terms of your recovery, market recovery levels, much better sleep. Like if you're wearing an aura ring or a whoop strap or something along those lines, you get much better recovery. And I think that's probably the case with me. I feel pretty good. But I do a lot of stuff, you know. I do a lot of things to maximize my health. So it's really kind of difficult to know like what's doing what.

1:32:28I just know all in all. You know, we always say, you know, in my field, you know, do one thing at a time. Right. Of course. If you're doing science. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing science. I'm doing chaos. Yeah. Well, you're doing, you know, experiment of one. So. Yeah. But it works. All of it together is definitely working. My body's pretty good. So, you know, you were mentioning how it's going to be very hard to get these things regulated. And I just wanted to point out, we probably talked about this last time, but, you know, where do these chemicals come from, these plasticizers? And you probably know they're made from fossil fuel byproducts, yes?

1:33:12Yeah. So the forces against eliminating them are not only the manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also the fossil fuel industry. Right. So that makes it extremely difficult. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's probably one of the primary factors in why this isn't discussed because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption, which would affect oil markets, which would affect the economy. It's big. It's big. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, the rate at which plastic production is increasing is astounding, you know. Yes. And no end in sight. This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Recipes, cooking methods, even portioning, it all makes a difference for your dog's health.

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1:36:16Visit lifelock.com slash JRE and save up to 40 % your first year. That's 40 % off at lifelock.com slash JRE. Terms apply. Well, I don't think you're going to get the government to act about this stuff. I think this has to be done on an individual level where people are aware of it and take steps to protect themselves and their family from these issues. That's my cynical view of how this is going to be played out And I'm really hoping I know for a fact a lot of people listened to our last conversation And made some lifestyle changes I'm really hoping that now With this follow-up visit More and more people will be aware of it And watching the movie Yes, and watching the movie And the movie's called, what's it called again?

1:37:06The Plastic Detox The Plastic Detox And where is this movie available? In your house Right. But is it available on Amazon, Netflix? It's Netflix. Okay. Watch on Netflix. Netflix is great. There's so many great documentaries on Netflix. The Hidden Dangers of Plastics in Our Homes. Six couples embark on a plastic detox within their homes. It changes their families forever. The plastic detox explains what microplastics and their chemicals are doing to our health and how we can take matters into our own hands. From hormone disruption that's fueling a worldwide fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and early heart attack and stroke.

1:37:44This powerful documentary reveals the shocking science behind plastic's impact on human life. Do you want to see a little trailer? Sure. Let's watch a little trailer. Put your headphones on. Well, you already know what it says. I'll listen. Plastic leaches a crap ton of chemicals. Even the smallest levels of exposure can have profound effects. Fertility worldwide is going down. There you are. And it is tightly linked to chemicals that are commonly used in plastic. You have been trying to get pregnant for over 10 years now. 22 months. Two and a half years? Say what you always call yourself. Ah, I say, you know, Julie, I'm not a human dildo.

1:38:26This is a three-month intervention where we recruited six couples who have unexplained infertility. When we look at measures of semen quality, the cutoff for fertile is about 40. You're technically subfertile, infertile, so that's kind of scary, right? Yes. The question is, if we lower people's exposure to chemicals that are in plastic, can we change their fertility? These chemicals not only affect your fertility, they also have other health consequences. These chemicals can contribute to early heart attacks and stroke, autism, as well as obesogens. Learning more about plastics, it's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is.

1:39:14Many people think the government takes care of us, but very few chemicals are actually banned from personal care products, and over 1 ,100 are banned in the EU. To have a child, I believe it is a fundamental human right. I think keep you the best mom ever, and I really want to see that for you. Plastic doesn't have to come from a toxic petroleum-based material. We can learn to do it other ways. It can change, and you can help with the change. That's another good point that he just said right there, that plastic doesn't have to come from petroleum-based materials. And most people aren't aware of that, but you can make plastic out of plant compounds.

1:39:59Yes. And it's biodegradable. Yes. Which is like they make a hemp plastic. Right. Potatoes. Yeah, potatoes. Yeah. And probably a bunch of other stuff too, right, that you can make plastic out of that doesn't have these effects. Right. It would be really nice if we moved in that direction, wouldn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. The plant-based plastics have the cost of raising the plants, of course. There's that added cost. Right. But does that even compare to the cost of pulling oil out of the ground? and refining it and then turning it into plastic through some horrific process that turns the rivers blue or whatever it does.

1:40:39And God knows what it does. Color it turns us. Right. Just kidding. Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't wear? Are you aware of that, the plastic leaching garments? Well, the only specific ones I know are, because people have told me about them, are the sports uniforms, team uniforms. Because they have a coating on them. Is it to make them more durable? Is it the idea? And probably this book, To Die For, will have more information. And I have it and I'm just so busy with this right now. But I'm going to read it. And then sports uniforms, kids uniforms, airline personnel uniforms. I think uniforms.

1:41:28Firefighters. firefighters are big big exposure to these chemicals too right yeah because they wear those waterproof yeah anything with it yeah that's right anything that's waterproof stain proofed just like your teflon pants you know barrier yeah yeah yeah so yeah but i don't know any particular brands so i'd imagine like nylon track suits and all those different things that'd be terrible for you so i mean customers customers could look for when they buy these things, they could look for PFAS-free. Just like now people know to look for BPA-free or, you know, if they could look at PFAS-free, then they would be avoiding a lot of this.

1:42:07So go back to the top, please. It says, the worst offenders are synthetic plastic-heavy garments that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester, fast fashion, and PFAS-coated water stain repellent, outerwear, and activewear. Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber shedding. One study found that polyester fleece shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per wash than other knits, which estimates around 110 ,000 fibers per garment per wash. This is both bad for environmental plastic pollution and for indoor dust and air.

1:42:45Recycled polyester fast fashion like leggings, tees, dresses and sportswear. New testing shows recycled polyester garments shed more and finer microfibers than virgin polyester. Interesting. So you think recycled. Oh, I'm recycling. I'm a good person. No, you're killing yourself. Increased particle numbers and potential toxicity. These items are often cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently use intense dyes and finishes. Hot pink. Tight synthetic sportswear and underwear. Yikes. These are worn for long periods directly against sweaty skin and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity for contact with microplastics and additives like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes.

1:43:37Cheap synthetic performance or wrinkle-free fashion. Stain-resistant, easy care, anti-odor, and heavy print coating garments are more likely to use chemical finishes that can off-gas or leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues. Lower concern choices. Okay, not perfect, but generally less problematic for leaching and microplastic shedding. Undyed or lightly dyed natural fibers like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk, without stain-resistant or wrinkle-free finishes. Simple weaves, knits rather than fluffy or brushed surfaces, which shed less. PFAS-free rain gear and outdoor clothing. Brands now often as – what rain gear is PFAS-free?

1:44:25That's interesting because I've always thought that it has to be coded. Right. A lot of work, a lot of work. What has been the response to your – first of all, you're releasing your first book and then coming on podcasts and talking about this thing. Has it been surprising to you? Like, what has it been like?

1:44:50It has been kind of surprising how much interest there is and how much, you know, people are taking this up. And what's great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are in the space that are getting out these messages. So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits. And then there's the plastics treaty, which is worldwide. It didn't pass, but hopefully it will come back and maybe next time. And then there's the work that the EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us. For example, I think I might have said this before. But just – so in Europe, you – if you're going to put a new chemical into commerce, you have to – it has to pass certain tests to be safe.

1:45:42Right. Not here. Right. So we're – it's – the testing is on you and me and everyone listening. And, I mean, we haven't really raised our hand and volunteered for that. Well, I mean, I don't want this to happen, but I think maybe what has to happen is these companies have to get in trouble, you know? Well, some of them have. You know, there are lawsuits. Are there lawsuits against, like, outerwear, clothing, like yoga pants? I don't know. I don't know. Because yoga pants are a problem, right? Yoga pants. Yes. Yeah, those tight nylon things that a lot of the gals wear to – I don't know where the lawsuits are.

1:46:22I might at some point get involved in that. But at this point, I don't know. But I know there are lawsuits and that they can be effective way to push back. And by the way, you said we wouldn't get a federal law. And I think that's not for a long time. But states can do it. California, for example, is doing lots of good stuff. What are they doing about it? I can't name you the laws, but I know they're very active. The Bonta, Ron Bonta, he's a district attorney, attorney general of the state of California. He's very active. And so the states that have active pushback, able to get laws passed, that kind of sets the tone for what's possible.

1:47:08But I don't see us getting federal pushback very soon. No, it seems like industry controls the federal government more than the health and safety concerns of the people, which is very disturbing but not too surprising when you consider a lot of the other things that are allowed in this country that aren't allowed in other countries. Like when you show that list of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU, that are illegal in America, that's disturbing. Like we're supposed to be number one. We're number one. We're number one in chemicals. Number one in chemicals. Yeah. Probably. Probably. The response when you were on this podcast was pretty shocking for me.

1:47:51So many people reached out to me. A lot of my friends that watched the episode were like, I can't believe this. Oh, I have no idea. It was five years ago. But quite a few of my friends that don't reach out with every episode reached out and said, that is just nuts. Like, I can't believe this. Especially people with children and they're concerned about the development of their children or people who are pregnant who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect on the child's development and alligator penises. Well, if your friends are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't changed much.

1:48:28It hasn't improved much and we have to do a lot more personally and, you know, pushing back. I hate to say it, but I think, like I said, I don't think the government's going to do anything. I think it's got to be up to individuals to make choices. And I'm really hoping your documentary has another big impact. One of the beautiful things about Netflix is that it's – even though things get promoted on Netflix, whenever anything – so many people have Netflix. So whenever anything's good, a lot of people just start sharing it and start talking about it and posting about it on social media. and then next thing the conversation starts happening and starts raising awareness.

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1:50:30battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. And participate in McDonald's while supplies last. And there are showings and Netflix encourages that and I'm going actually all over the world talking at showings now. The schedule is like crazy. Do you ever think like how crazy it is that you're this one person that's sounding the alarm? Because you kind of are the most public face of this problem. That is a little crazy to me especially given where I've come from. What if you didn't exist? This is the question. Oh, there are many, many people pushing back. Many, many people. Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as publicly as you are and certainly not.

1:51:09I mean, they haven't been on this podcast. There are many that are. I, you know, I feel lucky that I've had this opportunity. Like speaking to you and your followers and other podcasts and then having the opportunity to have designed this intervention and have worked with Louis and others on the film team to put this forward. It's a very big thing. And, you know, the film costs a lot of money. And we've had worldwide support for putting this out. So there's a lot of support behind the pushback. And we just have to get everybody on board and just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff. Yeah, that's really what has to happen.

1:51:51The conversation has to increase. The volume has to increase. More people have to share it and talk about it. And more people have to have you on. And we just have to sound the alarm. It's kind of crazy that five years later nothing's changed. Because like I said, it shook up a lot of people that I'm friends with. But I didn't hear it from any other places. Yeah. I mean I didn't see you on – did you do any other podcasts after you did mine? Yeah, I did many. You know Huberman? Sure. Very well. He's great. Yeah, he's great. And there are – I can't remember them right, but yes, a lot of podcasts.

1:52:28But hopefully now more. I do have more coming up. My schedule is really kind of crazy. One other thing that's great is the documentary is easily digestible. Yes. It's on Netflix. Everything's on Netflix. You sit down. Okay, let's watch. And then you go, oh, my God. And then there's all these places to go at the end of it to learn more if people want to do that. I would love to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical, you know, social media sense, but people like religious leaders, you know, leaders who could be won over, you know, if you have any ideas, you know. But I thought about having, you know, the Pope.

1:53:13I mean, it sounds really wild. But, you know, a lot of people get their – where do people get their information? Like from their religious leaders, from their peers, from their doctors? By the way, none of this is taught in medical school. That's crazy. That's crazy right there. Well, neither is nutrition. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time getting that curriculum changed, right? Actually, you have to get the test changed because the teaching is to the test. So if we could get this stuff on the test, there would be more doctors learning this, but they don't get it.

1:53:51They don't get it. They learn about lead. That's about all. Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach this stuff. That's part of the problems that, especially these petrochemical companies and the use of these things is going to affect so many different industries. Because if you cut that out and they – I mean, how much of an impact is that going to have on the economy? If everybody just stopped using all these chemicals, all the Lululemon brands and I don't want to single them out, but all these different companies. If they all just went under tomorrow, it'd be a giant problem if everybody just stopped using these things.

1:54:32Maybe for a little while, but then they'd be healthier. Well, the people would be healthier, but the companies would go under. Oh, the companies will not be healthier. Unless they make the switch. But what could they do to make the switch? You were saying like plant-based plastics. Do they make plant-based plastic clothing? Does anybody do that? Like plant-based plastic leggings? Let's find that out. Does anybody make plant-based plastic? Used in clothing. Yeah. What is the primary chemicals that come out? Is it PFAS? PFAS. Yeah. PFAS-free leggings. Because I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga tights, that would just get in there, right?

1:55:20Well, speaking of that, they're looking for They want them to be squat proof In quotes So they're not see-through Squat proof? Yeah, if there's girls wearing leggings, you know They're going to be doing a lot of squats at the gym probably Squat proof So they don't want people to be watching them a lot I don't know what that means, watching them a lot? Dude Oh, see-through Yeah, they're see-through But that's a weird way to say Squat proof sounds to me like you can't do squats in them Probably ripping, I would imagine, too. I think it's just a bad phrase. You know, like when you do a squat or downward-facing dog, the fabric stretches out.

1:55:56You can see some undies through the fabric. This is going to be tested nine different kinds of them. So there's a few different brands. Nah, this isn't even really. Oh, the bioplastic. Go back. There. Yeah, bioplastic. Three primary categories of non-toxic workout clothes. All natural or almost all natural. For example, 100 % organic cotton or 90 % cotton, 10 % spandex. Most semi-synthetic fabric, for instance, 10-cell fabric, plant-based plastic, which is a plastic source from something like castor bean oil instead of fossil fuels. In general, I'm not a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics. They are advertised as plastic-free alternatives, but they're still plastic.

1:56:37And some research shows that they're not truly non-toxic. I know. It's disappointing, it says. Here's the honest-to-God truth. when it comes to performance, stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant-based plastics do tend to perform the best. Huh. Followed by the semi-synthetics, followed by the all-now. I think they mean perform the best in terms. Out of the three, I think. But in terms of stretchiness, oh, the other three. A lot of product categories where non-toxic options performs just as well as a synthetic option like shampoo, to give you one example. It's not really as straightforward with leggings.

1:57:15At the end of the day, you're going to have to decide for yourself what kind of material you prefer. It will largely depend on things like what type of workouts you do, how you like your leggings to feel, where you work out, and more.

1:57:30Okay, my reviews on these nine almost plastic-free non-toxic leggings. All right, let's get to it. It says, what are the ones? So Mate, it's a company called Mate. Overall review, they're the best middle ground leggings. They're not super high performance. I don't know what that means. But they're made from healthier materials and are very comfortable. They're great for lower impact workouts, just for general everyday wearing. Squat test, passed, but had to size up. So let's find what the best one is. Do they have the best one? I don't. So mate is one of them. What are the other ones? Pangaea.

1:58:12Overall review, find myself reaching for these leggings more often than any of the others when it comes to hardcore workouts. Compressive nature of them makes me feel very held in when I'm jumping around. They have great stretch. squat test pass material blend 92 percent polyamide bio-based evo bio-based content 8 part bio-based creora elastane 30 bio-based contact we'll make some different closest to conventional synthetics in terms of fit feel stretch and compression okay well so this website is thefittery.com and forward slash plastic free non-toxic workout leggings. Go check it out for yourself.

1:58:58So there's some options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give those companies a boost and more people will wear them. Anything else before we get going? Think we covered it all? I think so. I think we sounded the alarm. I think we tried again anyway. Yeah, we did something. Like I said, I think it's It's just a volume thing. More and more of these conversations have to take place so that in the general zeitgeist, more people are aware of it. And it's just increased awareness and just makes it where more people are making better choices. And your platform is so huge that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity to talk about this with you and happy to come back.

1:59:44Well, I'd be happy to have you back. I loved you the first time. You're great the second time as well. And for everybody, one more time, The Plastic Detox. That's the name of the documentary. It's available right now on Netflix. Go check it out and fix your life, kids. All right. Thank you. I really appreciate it. It was really fun. Thank you. Yeah, it was great. And I'm really so happy that you're out there because, like I said, if you weren't doing this very important work, I wouldn't know about it. And I think a lot of other people wouldn't either. So thank you. So pee in the cup. I will pee in the cup.

2:00:18I promise you. I promise you I'll pee in the cup and I'll send it. And then if you want to do the next steps, let me know. I will do the next steps as well. You want to? Okay. Sure. So when you're ready to have another test. Talk to that microphone so people know what you're saying. Yeah. So when you're ready to have another test kit, or you can go to Million Marketing and just order one. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's$100. All right. We'll do it. But we'll send it for nothing if you want. Just let me know. I'll give you the$100. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. Bye, everybody.