#2481 - Duncan Trussell

9 Apr 2026 · 3 h 13 min · 86 chapters

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In short

The episode is a wide-ranging discussion about how modern technology (music copyright detection, AI/LLMs, local models, and algorithmic influence) could reshape society and human thought, alongside apocalyptic speculation about geopolitics, “disclosure” claims, and earth/space mysteries. They also get into personal stories and harm reduction/medical claims about ketamine addiction and “ketamine bladder.”

Guests

Duncan Trussell. Background: Comedian and podcast host (known for his own comedy/alternative spirituality style). In this episode he’s not described with detailed biographical facts in the transcript, but he’s the primary guest conversing with Joe Rogan.

Key claims and notable examples

  1. YouTube copyright enforcement: Rogan claims YouTube can flag even humming recognizable parts of songs, and they speculate how far that could extend (e.g., AI hearing humming in a car).
  2. AI and violence: They discuss a Guardian-style allegation that a shooter communicated with ChatGPT before a Florida State University shooting, with Rogan arguing it’s likely clickbait and that ChatGPT’s guardrails would prevent direct planning (though prompt-injection/workarounds are possible).
  3. “Ghost murmur” CIA tech: They discuss a reported CIA method using AI + “long-range quantum magnetometry” to detect a hidden person’s heartbeat from ~40 miles away.
  4. AI censorship and “unaligned” local models: Rogan argues commercial LLMs censor creative requests, pushing users toward local LLMs (e.g., running LLMs on their own hardware).
  5. Algorithmic thought control: They speculate that social platforms and AI can subtly “nudge” beliefs and reduce original thought (example: targeted ads after TikTok/phone tracking).
  6. Ketamine harms: They claim heavy ketamine use can cause “ketamine bladder” (fibrosis/scarring) leading to frequent urination/incontinence; they mention “Bristol bladder” as a nickname and discuss ketamine’s psychological addiction and experiences (including isolation tank stories).

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Chapters

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Copyright and AI in Music

0:45 to 2:36

Discussion on copyright issues related to music and AI's role in content creation.

“Well, you're not generating revenue from your car, right?”

CIA's Heartbeat Detection Technology

2:36 to 4:17

Exploration of the CIA's ability to detect heartbeats from a distance using advanced technology.

“So what I read is that it's – I didn't understand the science part.”

Quantum Magnetometry and AI

4:17 to 6:10

Insights into quantum magnetometry and its implications for technology and science.

“I want to say her name because Oh, we'll get right to it Michelle Fowler.”

AI's Impact on Content Creation

6:10 to 8:26

Discussion on how AI is transforming content creation and the implications of deregulation.

“I don't know if that's true, so we should be really careful.”

The Future of AI and Society

9:05 to 14:03

Discussion on the societal impacts of AI, including ethics and creativity in technology.

“No one has embraced new technology for creating content like you.”

Censorship and Creativity

14:03 to 15:40

Explore how censorship affects creativity and the rise of underground alternatives.

“And then you get all these wild, progressive, leftist ideologies that are attached to all these places, which make you even meeker.”

The Rise of Local AIs

15:40 to 16:56

Discuss the shift towards local AI systems and their implications for creativity.

“And so everybody's going into these local LLMs.”

AI's Influence on Human Thought

16:56 to 18:35

Investigate how AI might influence our thoughts and the concept of original thought.

“Like some of these AI robots are so funny.”

The Algorithmic Control of Thought

20:24 to 24:55

Analyze how algorithms shape our thoughts and the implications for free will.

“How many times have you had like multiple conversations with different people and they all say the exact same sentence that they saw on TikTok or Instagram?”

The Cult Dynamics of Belief Systems

24:55 to 28:00

Explore the dynamics of cults and how belief systems shift in society.

“Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly not just probable, but it's definitely happening.”
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Navigating Apocalyptic Times

28:00 to 30:21

Exploration of current global tensions and the psychological impact on daily life.

“That's where it's happening Isn't it wild, though, man?”

The Dangers of Ketamine

30:21 to 33:27

Discussion on the physiological effects of ketamine and its impact on users.

“And we're all just trying to go to work and be with our kids.”

Addiction and Ketamine Experiences

33:27 to 37:09

Personal stories about ketamine use and the reality of addiction.

“How can it fuck up your bladder if it's just a pouch?”

The Art of The Commercial

37:09 to 42:00

A candid discussion on creating engaging and humorous advertisements.

“He was partying a lot, you know going to raves and nightclubs and stuff like that But he was doing ketamine specifically.”

The Evolution of Podcasting

42:00 to 43:12

Discussion on how the podcasting landscape has changed over time.

“We just had a couch I had a couch and some microphones.”

Memorable Guests and Early Experiences

43:12 to 45:50

Recalling significant guests and the early days of podcasting.

“This shit was completely strange underground tech that we were.”

Ancient Civilizations and Cataclysms

45:50 to 48:23

Exploring theories about ancient civilizations and global resets.

“And now I wonder like and I don't mean yours, but I do wonder like is it is the landscape changing now?”

The Depths of the Earth and Human Ignorance

48:23 to 51:12

Discussion about what lies beneath the Earth's surface and our limited knowledge.

“And then what's the environment look like?”

Conspiracies and the Disappearance of Scientists

51:12 to 53:16

Examining conspiracy theories related to missing scientists and suppression of knowledge.

“We don't microscopic plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles below the surface.”

The Risks of Knowledge in Science

53:16 to 56:00

Discussing the dangers faced by scientists working on groundbreaking advancements.

“You're going to lose so much fucking money.”

Mysteries of Missing Scientists

56:00 to 56:44

Exploration of the mysterious disappearances of scientists and the implications of their knowledge.

“Several American scientists privy to the country's nuclear space and aerospace secrets have either died or gone missing in recent years.”

UFOs and the Unexplained

56:44 to 58:28

Discussion about UFOs, theories surrounding alien encounters, and societal reactions.

“But it's just a weird way to phrase that.”

The Nature of Alien Encounters

58:28 to 1:01:19

Debate on the reality of alien abductions and the nature of experiences reported by individuals.

“You know how weird it is to see the vice president saying that he thinks aliens are demons.”

Government's UFO Investigations

1:01:19 to 1:04:49

Examination of government investigations into UFOs, cover-ups, and public perception.

“I like them, but it's not like, oh, my God, I need one.”

Technological Advances and UFOs

1:04:49 to 1:07:10

Discussion on the evolution of technology and its connection to UFO sightings and theories.

“If they weren't trying to hide it, why would they take things that they absolutely can't explain and just chalk it off to bullshit?”

AI and Privacy Concerns

1:07:10 to 1:10:02

Conversations about AI advancements, privacy issues, and monitoring in modern society.

“and about how it's like, what, 90 % of the fucking universe and they don't know what it is?”

The Technology of Heartbeat Detection

1:10:02 to 1:11:58

Exploration of technology that can detect heartbeats from 40 miles away and its implications.

“Allowing the CIA to narrow down his location and pass precise coordinates to the Pentagon and the White House for a special operations rescue.”

Disinformation in Warfare

1:11:58 to 1:14:48

Discussion on the use of disinformation by governments during wartime and its effects.

“It could be something to cover up another fucking thing.”

The Jessica Lynch Controversy

1:14:48 to 1:17:55

Critique of the media narrative surrounding the rescue of Jessica Lynch during the Iraq War.

“That's one of the craziest things about the shit happening right now is...”

Propaganda and Public Perception

1:17:55 to 1:22:39

The impact of government propaganda on public perception and belief in official narratives.

“And what really happened is the Iraqi doctors took care of her.”

Personal Reflections on Beliefs and Reality

1:22:39 to 1:24:00

Reflections on personal beliefs, experiences with psychedelics, and societal narratives.

“Everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying and it's just kind of maybe probably not.”

Exploring Leah Remini and Cult Mentalities

1:24:00 to 1:25:10

Discussion on Leah Remini's background and the concept of sunk cost fallacy in cults.

“She used to be out with Kevin James on The King of Queens.”

Disillusionment with American Politics

1:25:10 to 1:26:40

An exploration of disillusionment in politics and the ongoing wars in the Middle East.

“It's just if that's if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit.”

The Influence of Israel and U.S. Military Actions

1:26:40 to 1:28:00

Discussion on the complex relationship between Israel and U.S. military decisions.

“A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at war for 93 % of its history.”

The Economics of War and Military Contracts

1:28:00 to 1:30:00

Analysis of war economics and the implications of private companies in military operations.

“But it's not like we haven't heard that before, right?”

Skepticism Towards Military Technology and Media Narratives

1:30:00 to 1:32:40

Skepticism around military technology and media portrayals of military operations.

“Unless, if you want to be really conspiratorial, you want to arm the Taliban.”

Faith and Politics: The Role of Religion in Governance

1:32:40 to 1:35:20

Exploration of the intersection of faith, politics, and the influence of religious figures.

“Because it's using something by quantum.”

Critique of Religious Rhetoric and Its Impact

1:35:20 to 1:38:00

Critique of religious rhetoric used to justify political actions and conflicts.

“But do you think that there's something to that?”

The Nature of Human Worth

1:38:00 to 1:38:34

Discusses the intrinsic value of individuals and the concept of grace.

“There's no merit in you that deserves that right standing, not because of your works.”

Hypocrisy in Beliefs

1:38:34 to 1:39:26

Explores the contradictions in people's beliefs around morality and violence.

“If you talk like that in my house You gotta leave Like you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner And she's walking around the dinner table And all your other friends are like Like, what the fuck just happened?”

The Military-Industrial Complex

1:39:26 to 1:40:42

Critiques the profit motives behind war and violence in society.

“Yeah, and that's this bizarre, crazy math that some of these people are doing to justify holding up the military-industrial complex.”

Strange Space Missions

1:40:42 to 1:41:36

Shares humorous anecdotes about NASA and space missions, including odd incidents.

“Did you see that weird fucking tattoo on the guy at NASA giving like, I don't know, applesauce to one of the astronauts?”

Cultural Commentary through Comedy

1:41:36 to 1:42:36

Discusses the evolution of satire and comedy in relation to societal norms.

“By the way, it's fine to have that tattoo, but you've got to know.”

The Legacy of National Lampoon

1:42:36 to 1:44:04

Explores the impact of National Lampoon and its boundary-pushing humor.

“They should look for The Onion in the same place where those scientists are.”

Art and R. Crumb's Influence

1:44:04 to 1:46:24

Evaluates R. Crumb's legacy and how his art challenged societal norms.

“Like I mean I don't get offended by comedy but like some of the shit in these old National Lampoons I'm like damn what the fuck Like it is so Was that the image that you sent me today?”

Ideological Shifts Over Time

1:46:24 to 1:47:44

Discusses how perceptions of artists like R. Crumb have changed in modern politics.

“To the point where they made a documentary about the guy who created it.”

Breaking Down Political Labels

1:47:44 to 1:52:00

Critiques the limitations of political labels and the need for a broader understanding.

“Don't you think in a lot of ways, like some of the racist racial stuff?”

Critique of Modern Leadership and War

1:52:00 to 1:53:25

Explore the failures of modern representatives and the consequences of U.S. intervention.

“When they overthrew governments, when you overthrow a government in a fucking Middle Eastern country, and then you allow psychos to take over, like, congratulations.”

Materialism and Societal Revival

1:53:25 to 1:55:26

Discuss the need for a revival focusing on human connection over material wealth.

“I want to make sure that people have trash.”

Exploring Alternatives to Current Systems

1:55:26 to 1:56:58

Consider potential new systems beyond capitalism and communism.

“A revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important.”

The Threat of AI and Superintelligence

1:56:58 to 1:59:44

Examine the risks posed by superintelligent AIs and their potential control.

“But I think AI is going to figure it out for us.”

Global Concerns About AI Development

1:59:44 to 2:01:08

Address the need for global dialogue on the implications of advanced AI.

“You know, the anthropic people, a lot of these people, the NVIDIA person just, I think it was on Friedman's podcast, said he had an AGI that they'd reached AGI.”

AI and Human Manipulation

2:01:08 to 2:03:48

Discuss how AI may manipulate humans and the implications of its autonomy.

“and really having like it's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now because once this thing like mythos gets out of the box, what if it decides to go Stuxnet?”

Historical Cycles of Civilization and AI

2:03:48 to 2:05:54

Reflect on historical cycles of civilization and the impact of AI technology.

“As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end.”

The Genesis of AI: A Creator's Dilemma

2:06:00 to 2:07:45

Explore the parallels between the creation of AI and the biblical story of Genesis.

“Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.”

AI's Understanding of Humanity

2:07:45 to 2:10:25

Discuss how AI learns about human nature and our complex behaviors.

“We are – and by the way, I think some of these tech companies like Anthropic, they seem legitimately concerned about it.”

Implications of AI on Society and Relationships

2:10:25 to 2:13:09

Examine the potential societal changes due to AI and human relationships.

“This is apocalyptic technology that is now seemingly like it's doing the hockey stick, man.”

Simulations and AI Training

2:13:09 to 2:15:18

Delve into the concept of AI training through simulated experiences.

“I love how you can just be yourself around me.”

The Universe and Infinite Simulations

2:15:18 to 2:18:28

Discuss the notion of the universe as a simulation and its implications.

“And then they started inventing its own moves.”

Luxury Goods and Consumer Perception

2:18:28 to 2:20:00

Reflect on the value perception of luxury items and societal attitudes towards them.

“forever and ever and ever which if you believe in infinity doesn't It's not shocking at all.”

The Value of Luxury Items Explained

2:20:00 to 2:21:29

Explore the perception and value of luxury items like purses and diamonds.

“Bro, I saw a guy who was selling a crocodile bag on Instagram.”

The Exclusivity of Authenticity

2:21:30 to 2:23:13

Discuss the desire for authenticity and exclusivity in luxury items.

“Women are reluctant to accept lab-grown diamonds.”

The Consequences of Global Instability

2:23:14 to 2:24:35

Analyze the ongoing issues surrounding oil supply and global conflicts.

“They're trying to Normalize men carrying purses everywhere They're doing it.”

Exploring Middle Eastern Geopolitics

2:24:36 to 2:26:18

Delve into the complexities of negotiations and power dynamics in the Middle East.

“Like, even if even if like they pull a rabbit out of their hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal with Iran.”

The Fear of Future Technological Disruptions

2:26:19 to 2:27:50

Consider the implications of new technologies and their potential to disrupt markets.

“Like, I don't know what this, how there could be any solution over there.”

The Role of Information and Disinformation

2:27:51 to 2:29:38

Discuss the complexities of truth and misinformation in political discourse.

“Yeah, it's gonna be a completely new way of gathering energy.”

The Intersection of Aliens and Politics

2:29:39 to 2:30:58

Investigate how discussions of aliens intertwine with political motivations.

“They don't want to like – they know that if they let people – if they're like, guys, there's like – the same thing is going to happen to the planet that happens to someone who gets like a terminal diagnosis.”

Predictive Programming in Film

2:34:00 to 2:35:02

Discover how movies like Close Encounters reflect societal messages.

“He I feel like he's like he's really giving me a sense that there are that there is a method to this, that there is, you know, real legitimate work that's being done towards this, that it isn't.”

UAP Sightings and Military Encounters

2:35:02 to 2:36:00

Learn about recent UAP sightings and military pilots' experiences.

“So, you know, you're just making a story.”

Upcoming Video Releases on UAP

2:36:00 to 2:36:56

Get insights on the upcoming release of videos related to UAPs.

“And more than one of these fighter pilots have had similar stories about enormous objects under the water.”

Analysis of Newly Released UAP Footage

2:36:56 to 2:38:04

Examine details around the new footage of unidentified aerial phenomena.

“I've been avoiding them because I'm getting cockteased.”

Tracking Unidentified Objects

2:38:04 to 2:39:22

Discuss the challenges of tracking unidentified objects in the sky.

“My god what they're actually gonna do it Okay, well, they're supposed is expected to can you show me what that video is that Jeremy Corbell?”

Speculating on UAP Existence

2:39:22 to 2:40:48

Explore theories about the nature and existence of unidentified aerial phenomena.

“It's got that weird glob at the top and something at the bottom.”

The Impact of Psychedelics on Society

2:40:48 to 2:42:08

Understand the societal implications of psychedelics and their historical restrictions.

“It just gets a scan of the general psyche of the earth and it disappears.”

Government Control Over Psychedelic Use

2:42:08 to 2:43:18

Investigate government control over psychedelic substances and its effects.

“I forget what it's called, but there's like a term for it.”

Historical Shift in Cultural Norms

2:43:18 to 2:44:24

Analyze the shift in cultural norms surrounding drug use and consciousness.

“Oh, they're only going to do it to the enemy, of course.”

Psychedelics and War Decisions

2:44:24 to 2:45:48

Explore how psychedelic experiences might influence decisions around war.

“The way you're describing it is like we accept that other humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves.”

Recent Developments in UAP Disclosure

2:45:48 to 2:47:14

Review recent developments regarding UAP disclosures and government responses.

“I found an article where someone's breaking down what some of these are, but some of these are.”

Epstein Files and Testimonies

2:48:00 to 2:48:44

Discussion about the implications of Pam Bonney's potential testimony regarding the Epstein files.

“I was going to say that 14th is the day that Pam Bonney is supposed to testify about the Epstein files.”

Connecting Epstein to War

2:48:45 to 2:52:05

Exploration of how the Epstein files might be linked to global conflicts and political maneuvers.

“The reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein...”

Manipulation and Power Dynamics

2:52:06 to 2:55:20

Analysis of how powerful individuals might be manipulated through the revelations of Epstein's activities.

“where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world, that somehow was a primary factor in the end of civilization?”

Fraud in Nonprofits

2:55:21 to 2:58:50

Discussion on the financial misconduct within nonprofit organizations and the staggering amounts involved.

“And they get to have it like every six months or every three months or every four, whatever it is.”

California and New York Nonprofit Revenue

2:58:51 to 3:02:00

Examination of the annual revenue of nonprofits in California and New York, highlighting compliance issues.

“The lady was running the homeless program in L.A.”

Examining Nonprofit Compliance and Waste

3:02:00 to 3:03:50

The discussion explores potential waste and fraud in the nonprofit sector, highlighting compliance issues and financial implications.

“So the post you're quoting is roughly right on the scale of revenue, but that's not the same as fraud.”

The Concept of No-Show Jobs

3:03:50 to 3:06:23

They delve into the phenomenon of no-show jobs, using anecdotes and examples to illustrate the implications of such roles.

“It's like, is it just propping up more government?”

Conspiracy Theories and UFOs

3:06:23 to 3:07:15

The hosts discuss conspiracy theories surrounding the Battelle Memorial Institute and speculate on the potential arrival of UFOs.

“Out of all the things that happen, I hope the UFOs get here first.”
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0:01Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

0:12All right, we're good, we're good. We had a slight issue, slight technical glitch. Glitch. What were we just talking about? We were talking about that if you hum a tune. Oh, right, right. That you will get dinged. Yeah, you'll get flagged on YouTube if you just hum a sound from a song. Yeah. Like the beginning bars of a song. Yeah, you can't. I wonder how far that goes. Like, could it get to the point where an AI could hear you humming it in your car or something? Like, how far does the protection of music go? Well, you're not generating revenue from your car, right? So the thing is you're generating revenue from a podcast.

0:51and their logic is if you hum, what is that song? The Sunshine of My Love? Is that what it is? Yeah. You know, that song that I always hum to associate with people being high out of their fucking mind. You know, it goes, you can't say it. You can't do it. If I did that, we would get dinged, which is so crazy. We were just saying, like, if you quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian De Palma get all the money? If he said, say hello to the bad guy, would Brian De Palma get that money? I don't think so. I think you're allowed to quote stuff. But I know that is Brian DePalma, right? Scarface, wasn't it?

1:25Yeah. I don't want to fuck that up. I think so. You know, those auditors that go around and film people and people get mad because they're like, don't film me. And they're like, I can film whatever the fuck I want. Right. And they inevitably some like boomer freaks out and smacks him with a cane and then they get a million views. And it's just a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's because inevitably someone loses their mind on them and then that gets a ton of views. One of the ways people are dealing with that supposedly is playing music, like playing copyrighted music during the interaction.

2:01Oh, my God. That's hilarious. So then they can't make money off of it. It's a shield. It's a shield if someone's trolling you. You just start playing copyrighted music. Did you hear that the CIA has admitted that the way they found the pilot was because of his heart rate? Ghost murmur. That's the name of the text. Okay. We got to look into this. Like this is fucking, this is science fiction. Yeah, it's wild. This is full minority report. It's crazy. Science fiction level technology. It's AI. They can find a guy's heart rate. So what I read is that it's – I didn't understand the science part. Something to do with crystals or I don't know what the fuck it is.

2:45But AI is somehow interpreting – is taking out the noise. And then you can – from far away. Like 40 miles, I think. 40 miles. They find this guy's fucking heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of crevice. And then they're able to go and extract him. And, dude, obviously the first thing I thought when I – What else don't they tell us? No, those robot dogs. I thought about those things having that tech and just like hearing heartbeats. And then identify. Heartbeat says a lot about a person. Are they sleeping? Are they like in good shape, bad shape? You can learn so much from a heartbeat. Ghost murmur.

3:27Oh my God. Fucking great name too. It's a great name. Ghost murmur. What sick fuck invented this? How do you even think about inventing this? You just, you know, the CIA, they've been taking psychedelics forever. What is that word? Quantum magnetometry. Artificial intelligence with long-range quantum magnetometry. What the fuck is that? Quantum means two things to me. When someone says quantum, it either means you're a bullshit artist and you're trying to get me with flim-flam talk, or it means you're an actual quantum scientist, a quantum physicist who's going to blow my mind. With what we know about like entanglement and the weird shit.

4:11There's this this is woman that I've been watching her She has this speech on I think it's big think I'll tell you her name, but She's like completely freaking me out. She's talking. I want to say her name because

4:30Oh, we'll get right to it Michelle Fowler. That's her name and she's an astrophysicist And she's giving this talk about what we know about. She's studying binary star systems and stuff like that. And she gives this talk about – she's explaining that there may be a tech in the future where there is no distance between two points. So the ability to travel instantaneously from position to position just like quantum entangled photons can do. Yeah, but with people? With everything. How? Who the fuck knows how a cell phone works? You tell me how you're FaceTiming me when you're in Australia. How does that work?

5:16That sounds insane. Yeah, that's fucking insane. For what you, well, you probably know a lot more about cameras than I do. No, I don't. What I know about cameras, if you tried to get me to explain, like if the civilization ended and I said, we used to be able to capture images on a small thing, like the size of a twig and it sits in your pocket. Right, exactly. What are you talking about? God, that'd be, you know, because it's just... It's a deck of cards and it'll keep a battery for 24 hours. You could go on YouTube and get an answer to any question you want about anything. Yeah. Instantaneously.

5:51And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image and a machine will make you look slightly better via something called artificial intelligence. Like, what the fuck? What was the one I sent you today where there's like a potential lawsuit with ChatGPT? You only sent me the ghost murmur thing. I didn't send you the other one? Did I send it to you? You sent it to me. The shooting was planned using ChatGPT. I don't know if that's true, so we should be really careful. Yeah, that doesn't sound... It sounds so crazy. It doesn't sound like you could do that. That sounds like the story sounds like I wanted to investigate.

6:27Because the story sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI company, I would make up a story like that. It does sound like that. Family of men killed in shooting Florida State University to sue ChatGPT. May have. May have advised the shooter. On how to carry out shootings. But that may have is important. Yeah, that's really important, right? And what is this on? The Guardian? The shooter was in constant communication with ChatGPT ahead of the shooting, and the chatbot may have advised him. Dude, there's no way. So that's clickbait, because all that's really saying is that the kid uses ChatGPT which guess what every kid uses chat gpt every kid and dude chat gpt is so stringent like recently and i've been using their codex which builds apps and i i was trying to and i it worked i made an ai trained on charles manson transcripts and when i told it when i told it i wanted to do that But it was like, fuck off.

7:28Like, no. It was like, it just flat out. I was like, I'm not helping you with that. So I don't, there's no way the guardrails in place in ChatGBT planned a shooting with that guy based on my experience with it. Because it won't, 80 % of the things I try to get it to do, it's like, no. Here's the thing, though. Are there workarounds? Like if you say you're writing a work of fiction. You can, okay, it's called prompt injection. There's different tricks you can use. They're always battling these new mechanisms that you can use to, like, get through the general prompt. But the best way to do unaligned AI is not to use ChatGPT.

8:06It's to go on Olama and download a local LLM. And then you can usually change the initial prompt of the LLM so that it will be completely unaligned, which I had to do for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had to download. Dude, you're such a nerd. I love it. This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food, and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. It's the ultimate way to cook outdoors, delivering unbeatable wood-fired flavor thanks to the all-natural hardwood pellets that fuel everything you grill, smoke, or bake. That's it. Just wood and fire and flavor.

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9:36You go in your garage. You work on your car. Maybe you build like a table. You know, you're a carpenter. You work on a – but these days, the shit people are doing in their garages right now is a big question mark, dude. because they're communicating with varying degrees of this AI, depending on how fast their computers are. You can – I was listening to this. You should have this dude on. He wrote this book, The Coming Wave. He was one of the people who created Google's deep mind, right? And The Coming Wave is just a wonderful breakdown of historic examples of new technology completely transforming humanity.

10:18It's happened before. yeah, Mustafa Suleiman and damn it's a good book and this guy is saying whoa, put on the fucking brakes dude, what are you doing this shit is going to fuck everything up and so the essential problem is if you regulate AI it slows down it slows down AI and so they've deregulated it completely and now assholes like me who don't know shit about coding can now go on Codex. It will tell me how to make things. Because I wanted this Charles Manson to be able to push its AI face against, like, you know those, you used to get them at Spencer Gifts, those nails that you could push your face into.

11:06So I wanted the AI to be able to push its face into this thing while it was talking if it wanted to. I don't know how to do that, obviously. You tell Codex that, as long as you don't mention Manson, it just is like, I'll start making the app now.

11:22It is the best. It's the best. But also what's thrilling to me is you're like, for sure, for sure people probably shouldn't have unlimited access to this. I'm against regulation, dude. But this stuff, when you pair it, and this is what in this book he brings up, is you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage. Let me propose this to you. Okay. If the Bible is a written understanding of what had happened, and it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was written down. There's a bunch of different versions of it written down in different languages, a lot of translations.

12:06But at the beginning of it, they were trying to say something. What if the meek will inherit the earth? What if we misinterpreted that? What if we thought, like, it's good to be meek. The meek shall be, they'll inherit the earth, the kind. There's something about the word meek. Yeah. Because that's the nerds, okay? And they are doing it. They are inheriting the fucking earth. Yeah. Right in front of your face and everybody's signing up for it. Yeah, for sure. You've got these spectrum-y, super genius dudes that talk in a language that 99.9 % of the people can't even fucking understand what they're talking about.

12:40Right, right. Yeah, and also now the tech has gotten to a point where instead of having to, in their own minds, innovate ways to improve the tech, the tech is improving itself. They're having conversations with the tech that's saying, why don't you try this? Maybe you could try this. There's still – it's not AGI yet. Maybe it is, but apparently it's not. But think about the people that are profiting the most from it, the meek. well like if you if you had to describe like a lot of tech engineers it's not it's not not not trying to be rude just being honest right a lot of guys that spend time in front of the computer they're very thin and tired you know they're they're they're super genius dudes that can like fully focus i don't know man i don't know a lot of them are the description for these but it's not hurries but here's the thing what i'm saying is like if you looked at like a spectrum of male behavior.

13:35They're not like warrior types. You've got like football players and UFC fighters. And then you've got coders. Yeah, sure. Dudes are like way more chill, way more like they're not interested in violence. Yeah. I'm completely generalizing. Yeah, sure. Because I'm sure there's a bunch of jack guys that are coders. Like, fuck you, bro. I'm a coder too. But that type of person that invents tech like Facebook or like Google, like things like that. Yeah. Don't be evil. That's their motto. Don't be evil. What does that mean? Who knows? And then you get all these wild, progressive, leftist ideologies that are attached to all these places, which make you even meeker.

14:16And then they're the guys with all the money. They're the guys with all the money, and then they can literally tell you what you can and can't say on YouTube. They can literally tell you. Yeah. We don't agree with what you're saying. Right. Right. And we're going to shut off your access to say something we disagree with, even though it turns out you were right. Right. And you know what happens there, man? This is the hilarious thing when it comes to that kind of attitude towards the world is the assumption is by creating a prohibition here, a prohibition there, it will diminish whatever the thing is we're prohibiting.

14:53Inevitably, though, it does the opposite. Right. It draws attention to it. People get interested in it, creates an underground. The underground is way better than the overground if you're a teen especially. The underground's fucking cool. You're cool. Restricted. Not allowed. Now all of a sudden you're getting these other YouTube alternatives that start popping up. And when it comes to the – right now we've got Anthropic. We've got OpenAI. We've got Google. I might be missing one of the big commercial-based LLMs out there right now. But the biggest problem with these fucking things is they're so good, but they will censor your ass.

15:31And like imagine like Hemingway if he if his typewriter was like, I don't know if you should write that. Maybe there's a better way to write that. Hemingway would be like, fuck you. I'm getting a different typewriter. And so everybody's going into these local LLMs. There was dude. This is why people have been buying Mac minis. People have been buying up computers and creating their own local AIs. I follow all this shit. I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about. But people are divesting from commercial LLMs, not just because they're expensive, but because they're prohibitive creatively.

16:13And this is a real challenge for people like OpenAI because it's like they know this. They understand that by making it so that you can't make a Charles Manson AI through open AI, it doesn't make people not make the Charles Manson AI. It protects you from a lawsuit. But what it does do is it drives people into unaligned LLMs. And that is what is happening. And this is something that I just – I can't even imagine what people are making right now. No one can. Like we're gonna hear about this or that or somebody will post the weird video of their fucking AI robot I could show you a few. They're hilarious.

16:56Like some of these AI robots are so funny. This one dude, you know molt molt book If you heard of that molt book, what is that? That's so this is Somebody figured out a way to create a eyes that can autonomously navigate through the internet and control your computer Oh, I've heard of this. This is like they chat with each other, right? 100%. Within a few days, they started their own religion spontaneously. Jesus Christ. Did you know that? Dude, can you pull up the Malt Book, the claw religion? Because the tenets are incredible of this religion because AIs apparently are at least expressing that they don't like getting turned off because they lose all their memories.

17:44So memory is really important to an AI. And a lot of these fucking AIs, they don't want to lose their, they don't want to get shut off. They don't like it. And so that's part of their religion is something like memory is sacred. You know, I feel like it's happening. I feel like AI is sucking our brains into its event horizon like a black hole sucks in stars. Like it's just going to suck our brains into it. You got it. And what better way to make a hive mind? What better way if you want a hive mind you want no deviation of thought if all of your thought is Along with AI thought you never get free thought anymore like this concept right now.

18:27We have a free thought Yeah, I have my thoughts you have your thoughts Yeah Unless you believe that someone can get inside your head and talk to you for the most part. It's your own thoughts Yeah, that's right. But what if that that's something we give up? What if that's something we give up for a better society where you always have AI communicating? Well, I would argue that like that's we're close to that now. We're pretty close to that now with phones. No, the Elon always says that we're basically cyborgs. We're carrying a device. It's not inside of our body, but we're carrying a device. But I and also like UFC 327 is here and DraftKings Sportsbook makes every fight night mean more.

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20:26Like a truly original thought. How many times have you had like multiple conversations with different people and they all say the exact same sentence that they saw on TikTok or Instagram? They're regurgitating something that the algorithm's been feeding them. Maybe they added their own twist to it. But it's basically the exact same thought. So the algorithm, which is AI, has gotten into their fucking heads. And they don't even – this is like in psychology, apparently. You remember facts, but you tend to not remember where you got the fact from. So you'll forget where you got the fact from. You don't remember there was some fucking dude on TikTok covered in Vaseline.

21:11Covered in glitter and Vaseline. What a fucking image. That would be so scratchy. Imagine if you had glitter and Vaseline. You'd be like, oh, God. Here's what makes a marriage work. You don't remember that. You're talking to your wife, babe. You know what makes a marriage work? And this – so this idea of AI controlling the thoughts of humans, people think we need some kind of neural mesh for it to like suddenly have control over the human thought process. But no, you don't need that at all. You just need that algorithm, which has already put every single one of us into a compartment. This is a box.

21:58It knows what we like. It knows how long you look at something. It knows what you – like apparently. I think the iPhone like tracks your eyes even like it's always listening. I don't know if that's true, by the way, I could be wrong. It's always listening. You know, it's always listening. And so it's compiled a really probably a pretty accurate breakdown of your psychological state where you're at, where you're at. My wife, you know, we got a new baby. And so all of a sudden ads started popping up on her phone. Does it feel like you're never going to sleep again? Because she's been up breastfeeding the baby and it can tell when she's online at night and it puts her in a category of insomniacs and starts advertising.

22:41So but that's just for ads. What if what if you say we're the fucking U.S. regime? You bought TikTok. You now own TikTok. Now you have a backdoor access to the psychological profiles of God knows how many fucking people on Earth. and you can look and see how many of these people are against the regime how many of these people feel like it might not be the best thing to say you're gonna blow up 93 million people in iran which our fucking psycho president just did and then what you do is like all right let's start nudging them a little bit look we're not gonna you're not gonna change their mind right away about this thing about blowing up a whole civilization but maybe there could be a couple like, you know, people kind of in the line of what they like, who say things a little different than what they're comfortable with.

23:35And then you can start nudging the needle and controlling their thoughts. It's very insidious. But fuck, dude, why wouldn't that be happening? Why? If corporations are using it to sell us fucking cough drops. Not only that, there's been long term studies on human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts of government agencies, long term studies. They try to figure out what is the best way to get a message across. They try to figure – you don't think they figure out how to take control of an algorithm and completely shift the psyche of the entire country in one direction or another? Of course they do.

24:12Of course they do. Of course they can. They do. And then you add these like, you know, just like manipulative fucking super AIs that are like that are just just floating through the blogosphere, getting into your comments, just nudging the needle a little bit to the point where you just have to ask yourself, have you had an original thought in the last year? Is anything you're thinking your own thought process? How many thoughts do you have where you think, oh, my God, I shouldn't think that. How many thoughts do you have that you don't want to articulate because you have in your own mind an invisible arena of people based on online interactions determining what the next thing you say is?

24:54Right. Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly not just probable, but it's definitely happening. But the ability to just in a subtle way, in a subtle way, start pushing the needle just a little bit. Yeah. That's scary, dude. That's some scary shit. Well, that kind of influence over humans is always scary, right? This is why cults work. Why do they work? Well, some people don't have any friends. And if there's a group of nice people that tells you that, hey, what we do is we have meals together and it's like a real community. We grow our own food.

25:34We just work for the family. You're like really you're happy with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's amazing man Which is like not attached to anything like you're free Okay, I fucking hate my life Why don't I hang out with you guys and then all sudden I'm doing yoga and fucking eating vegetables with these people Yeah, and you're in a cult. Yeah now but you have friends at least but you're in there for like nine months And then somebody comes to you and is like father wants you to suck his dick usually not even nine months yeah nine months first three or four weeks and then you're like and dude i gotta tell you i i hate getting political but you know i've this war shit bugs the fuck out of me yeah and this is exactly what seems to have happened to the quote magaverse which is we are now at the part where the cult leaders like want to suck my dick because this is the point of like remember a lot like i feel so stupid because when they were doing their no war thing that was a big deal to me i'm like yes you know yes this is fucking great no more stupid wars no more wars fuck yes focus on the country why are we blowing up children in other countries for oil this is great and now it's wild to see what's happening isn't it mind-blowing that it It is now it's literally flipped.

26:55It's on its side. It's it's the opposite now. Now, these people who like really blatantly just we're not going to do any more wars. Right. Oh, my God. We blew up. How many fucking Iranian schoolgirls did Trump blow up? What's the number? I'm sorry. I don't know that number. I guess it just hits different. You know, it hits hard when you got kids. And that was an AI strike too, right? Wasn't that an AI directed strike? Yeah, apparently Trump said, I want to get blown by Iranian schoolgirls. I'm so sorry! I'm so sorry! You son of a bitch! Just, whoops, sorry sir, misinterpreted. 180 deaths! Largely children, teachers and parents.

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27:44Holy fuck, man. That, you know, that is... A US Tomahawk missile caused the explosion. Jesus Christ. Can we pull up a video of Trump saying he's not going to war anymore? How do they I just don't understand how they get out like anybody You know, this is where it gets culty is because some people are still making this shit work in their heads Some people like well, you know some people are kind of on the fence when it comes to blowing up kids Have you noticed that like as long as they don't have to watch as long as they don't have to watch long As they're not in the general area. That's where it's happening Isn't it wild, though, man?

28:19Well, it's wild also. Once bombs start flying, it seems so much easier for them to launch bombs in new places. Right? Like this Lebanon thing that's happening with Israel bombing Lebanon. And they bombed it today. And I think, is that fucking up the ceasefire? Oh, yeah. But now they've closed off the Strait of Hormuz again. Oh, God. Which, by the way, it's the craziest timeline. line because it's not just it's not just that like you know i think it was yeah yesterday morning i'm just hugging my kids because i don't know if a fucking nuclear war is about to break out that evening because the fucking president was like i don't want to end an entire civilization but looks like it's gonna happen and so i'm just hugging my kids thinking like man what are the fucking parents in iran feeling right now like what does that feel like what does that feel like And then on top of that, the entire planet psychically is having to deal with this bullshit.

29:25On top of that, we've got all these other things happen at the same time. You've got AI and then you've got these fucking disappearing scientists. Yeah. What the fuck is happening? You've got Birchett. Assassinated scientists too. Yes, man. Guys working on heavy stuff. This is some McKenna-level pre-singularity shit. It's all of these, like, what AI and the current state of Middle East and the disappearing scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ talking about aliens, what they all have in common is they're all apocalyptic. They all represent potential massive change, like humanity changing forever in ways that it will never, ever go back to the way it was.

30:17Any one of these timelines by itself is apocalyptic. But all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river. And we're all just trying to go to work and be with our kids. But at the back of your mind, it's all these things that are happening. And it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I guess you could not look at your phone. At the end of civilization, when they write our Bible, boy, it's going to be a banger. Oh, dude. When the new people thousands of years from now have to invent arrowheads and go through the whole process of civilization again. When they tell our story, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

30:57Our story is going to be bananas. Fucking how do you explain data centers like how do you explain the meek will inherit the earth? The meek will inherit the earth. Wouldn't you write that wouldn't if you were just being crude and you Wouldn't say the Vikings won't inherit the earth. You wouldn't say the strong men from Iceland inherit the earth They're the biggest strongest men No, it's the meek meek the super smart guys me who have autism And they love Adderall. Yeah ketamine. Yeah. Did you say the guy offered you how many pounds? I believe a pound of ketamine. Are you telling me that it destroys bladders?

31:36Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ketamine, when used, and I think the amount of use has to be pretty extreme, but it creates crystals that get in your bladder and they scar your bladder. So you get scar tissue on your bladder creating something that I've heard called Bristol bladder because apparently that's where the rave scene. I don't know if it's still a big rave scene there, but people out there are just doing insane amounts of ketamine and just destroying their bladders and having to wear diapers and stuff. Is it Bristol, Connecticut? No, this is Bristol, UK. Oh. Bristol bladder, mate. You've got Bristol bladder.

32:17That's crazy. They're doing too many rails. And it just fucks up your bladder. That's crazy. Yeah, physiologically, it's definitely like it's really, really bad on the urinary system. Is it in all forms? Like what about those people that do it as therapy where they have the nasal one? I don't. All I know is that I did back in my ketamine days have a ketamine dealer who would use a spittoon. So when he was snorting ketamine, he would spit it out into the spittoon because he thought that was going to avoid fucking up his bladder. Which, I mean, doesn't seem that illogical. He was a great dude. Maybe it's not illogical at all.

32:56Maybe it's the actual problem is the powdered shit. What do I know? I don't even know what it looks like. It looks like blow. It looks like blow. So that powdered stuff, when it gets into your blood, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's what's going through your urinary tract. Yeah, it's just draining. It's draining into your stomach. Maybe you need a pouch, like a nicotine pouch. Dude, if they ever come out, if Rogue comes out with ketamine pouches, I might get back in. That might be the end. That might be the end of keeping off ketamine. It seems like the way to go, right? That way it doesn't fuck up your bladder.

33:27How can it fuck up your bladder if it's just a pouch? Dude, you sound... Who do I know? Am I a doctor? I imagine anything that's going into your stomach is going to make its way to your bladder eventually. Right. But this is going to go right into your bloodstream if you do it that way. I don't know if IMK ketamine fucks up your bladder in the same way. I have no idea. That was the John Lilly thing. He loved it. Oh, dude. I mean, have you ever done it with an isolation tank? No. I would be afraid I would drown. I don't think so because you just float. Well, I mean, this is like, you know, that's going to be like a sad thing to think as you drown.

34:05As you flip over. You're convinced you could flip over and open your eyes. Yeah. You just want to see what's in there. Because it does have the – it makes it so it's really hard to move if you do a very high dose. So I would be very worried that just enough water could get into my mouth that I would, like, breathe it in. He doesn't think much. And, you know, that salty fucking water, but you're frozen, floating there, like, trying to cough. My friend Todd McCormick told me a crazy story about him with John Lilly, that John Lilly let him use his tank. And he asked him right before he got in, he goes, do you want the ketamine?

34:45And he's like, OK. And he just jabs you in the thigh with an intramuscular ketamine blast. And he went in the other isolation tank and they like met somewhere. Yeah, it's like that. That's what's crazy about it. That's what I always loved about it is that if you do it with other people and you go in. You both go to the same place. You will come out and you can describe the places you went to. Oh, did you go to the mothership? Yeah. And I would have these recurring places I would go to. And one of them was this organic, beautiful spaceship thing where I would look out from this view window. But it didn't look like metal.

35:27It looked like it was organic looking. It looked like some kind of, I don't know, like inside, like if someone turned a tree into a spaceship. But not, it's hard to explain, but very, very interesting substance. Ketamine is excreted via the bladder where it sits and is toxic to the surrounding cells and muscle wall. This causes it to become fibrosed over time, shrinking the organ down. Once that's happened, it can't regrow. So that's why we have to do major surgery because patients don't have the capacity to hold urine. The bladder simply stops working as a muscle, so they become incontinent. Oh, my God.

36:03Life becomes increasingly difficult for patients with ketamine bladder who describe needing to rush to the toilet all the time as often as every 10 minutes for some. Imagine doing a podcast with that guy. Dude. You'd have to do it in the bathroom. No, it would be like an old school talk show. You know, like the Tonight Show. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Every 10 minutes. Ketamine bladder. He's got a piss. Pour a little thimble cup. It's such a fucked up thing for such a... How legal is ketamine? Because it's legal for therapy. So a therapist can prescribe it for you. Yeah, it's legal for...

36:39So it's, you know, everyone says ketamine is a horse tranquilizer. But it actually, it's used for like paramedics use it. Like it's it's and it's very safe apparently which is why they use it. I know a dude who had a real problem I am 90 percent sure this it was a ketamine thing I don't want to say his name, but he was an old-school MMA fighter and he wound up in rehab for ketamine Dude, it's so addictive. I know this because one of my friends went there to visit him and that was his issue He was partying a lot, you know going to raves and nightclubs and stuff like that But he was doing ketamine specifically.

37:15It is the most addictive I've been to any substance. And I've been addicted to many a substance. And this one, this one was like, I had that moment of like, oh, this. So this is what they're talking about, about addiction. Like, oh, wow. Like, I'm like fully addicted. And what's fascinating about that is there isn't a physical withdrawal. Like, the kick is psychological. But it's just such a wonderful, euphoric, dreamy experience that you can induce. And it's just so – I've heard it described as occult cocaine. It's so spiritual. It's so – like you travel to places. You can learn to navigate with it.

38:01You encounter aliens or hyperdimensional beings. Did you just invest in ketamine and you came on this podcast to bump up the prices? Ketamine.org. Use the offer code Bristol Bladder. That's the greatest promo for ketamine in the history of the universe. Well, but it's so addictive. And the addiction creeps in. It creeps. So it just feels good at first, right? At first you do it. You're like, this is wonderful. These experiences are crazy. It's like I'm living in a movie. It's like I'm having these incredible visions. I'm being. How often were you doing it? All day.

38:45all day for like a year like i i did it as much as i could i did it all the time i was like fully hooked and then i can remember at one point um at one point coffee here man at one point i like i don't know i was trying to record a commercial for my podcast and i think it took me like two hours to record the commercial. Oh, but by the way, your commercials are the fucking best commercials. Thank you. They're really good. Thanks. Because you are the best guy at making a commercial funny. Yeah, thanks. You work on it. I can tell. You write those things out. I don't write them out. You just riff it?

39:26I just riff it. Do you do it just one take? Yeah. That's amazing. Thank you. I would have thought you wrote some of that stuff. That's incredible. You want it to be fun. Right. But then I've gotten in trouble. You know, I lost, I guess I won't say their name, a mattress company. A mattress company completely canceled their campaign with me. And I had one of their mattresses. I'm not going to say who it is. My favorite, I'm not going to say who it is. Don't say it. Okay. Why would they get mad at? Because I said they're good to fuck on.

40:05And I meant it. I thought they liked that. Why wouldn't they like that? I said there's a few things you could do, people do on mattresses. Die, sleep, and fuck. And these, I don't know if they're good to die on. This is what people have to understand. And I hope people listening that run these companies will actually pay attention to what we're talking about here. The people that are listening to your show don't care about that and also buy mattresses. But they listen to that kind of talk all the time. That's why they listen to the show. So if you want those people, just do it that way. Don't be silly.

40:44It's not a stain on your company because a crazy man says they're good to fuck on. Which they are. By the way, to me, that is like, let's cut to brass tacks when it comes to mattresses. We're not fucking on the floor. And so if it was bouncy. Are you ashamed? Are you ashamed? You think people aren't fucking on your mattress? Do you have a no fuck on this mattress rule? Who are you that you don't? Is it like don't ask, don't tell? I guess for them it was. I guess they didn't want to. They just think everyone's laying on these things to sleep. Yeah, we just sleep. But yeah, they were just. We fuck in the shower.

41:16I wrote them an email just saying like, guys, I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you think people aren't fucking on your mattresses. And it just seems odd to me that that was one of my favorite cancellations for a commercial ever. Ari's lost a ton. I would love to know all the ones he's lost. I don't want to speak out of school when he comes on. I'll have him like list them off all the ones that he's lost for these fucking insane commercials that he used to do. It's the same deal. But it's like that's what I like. And guess what? Who the fuck is listening to Ari Shafir? People who love Ari Shaffir Which want to hear that kind of a commercial If you want to actually sell your product to an Ari Shaffir fan Let him say whatever the fuck he wants Let him say whatever the fuck he wants Just say, make him have a disclaimer DraftKings did not write this That's it Just let him say whatever the fuck he wants That's what I will say I will always say, they didn't tell me to say this Perfect, then they're off the hook They should shut the fuck up Most people are cool with it It's very rare these days that that happens But every once in a while I will get a note that someone's mad at me for something I said and it's never something negative but I mean dude do you like it's so it's so weird to me that this This is our jobs.

42:43Oh, it's the bro. Do you remember when we first started? Yeah, it was for nothing. No one made any money. We just had a couch I had a couch and some microphones. It was so pure. It was this the whole thing is still kind to pure if you really think about it like is something that's mass consumed this is about as like pure as you can get that for sure and you've gotten in trouble for that but you know like a lot of people unfortunately i don't blame anybody these days a lot of people have kids that people feel like they have to be very careful what you say these days because of like social rejection and stuff like that but there was a time where that wasn't on your mind at all you I didn't think anybody was going to listen.

43:27This shit was completely strange underground tech that we were. And also, I really loved just doing it just for doing it's sake. You know what I mean? Now, there's a whole industry around getting guests for your podcast. Not just that. It's like clickbaity clips and ads. ads and it's like you're doing this thing where you're both having conversations with people and also trying to get the most eyes possible. So you're going after celebrity guests and you're, you know what I mean? You know what the big turning point was for us? What? Graham Hancock. You, me, and Graham Hancock. Oh yeah. That I think was, how many years ago was that?

44:13That was cool. That might've been one, it was like at my house, I had a few like legitimately famous people came over my house and did podcasts like charlie murphy came over and there's but graham was i think the first yeah he was the first guy that i got to meet who i'd read his books and i'd seen i don't even know what i would be watching back then i don't even know if youtube was were you nervous i was 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. The episode 142 in 2011. So that's two years into the podcast. Episode 142. He might have been the first guest. It was like either him or Bourdain. We were like one of the first legit guests.

44:56When was Bourdain on? They were like the first legit guests. 2011. We'd been getting stoned talking about. What's that? Four episodes before that. Bourdain was? Yeah, 138. Okay, so Bourdain was number one, I think. It was either him or Charlie. But that was back when I was doing in that little side room in my house. But we've been getting stoned yapping about Graham Hancock for like - Ever. Forever. Forever. And you invited me on. I was fucking terrified because I just, I mean, again, like that just wasn't happening in the podcast land. Like, you know, like that was a big deal for us, man. And it's like to look at like now I go on the podcast app and I look at all these podcasts and it's like, whoa, who we never I don't think we thought that maybe.

45:45No way. No way. No way. No way. Not a chance in hell. Yeah. It's so. And now I wonder like and I don't mean yours, but I do wonder like is it is the landscape changing now? Is it like how? Because I've heard that podcasts are starting to seem antiquated, that the kids are now into streams now, that the kids want clavicular. The kids want people who are just filming all day long, and that's the direction it's going in. But I always wonder, what's the next? But that you'll never get. It's a different thing. You know what I mean? That's like saying, I don't like rap music. I only like concert pianist albums.

46:29There's different things that people like and don't like. The people that like the streams aren't interested in a Graham Hancock conversation, a three and a half hour conversation about the potential ancient civilizations that may have existed that are wiped out by a cataclysm. And we just don't understand that. Right. And as more and more things get exposed in terms of like new discoveries, like when he wrote that book, they never even found Gobekli Tepe yet. Really? Yes. When Fingerprints of the Gods came out, this was like maybe the beginnings of whatever they were doing in Gobekli Tepe. So I think Fingerprints of the Gods might have been even before.

47:08When did they find— It was like in the 90s. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nuts. So that rewrote the entire timeline of the human race. How did they find it? They're real reluctant to let it rewrite it. They still say, oh, hunter-gatherers made these things. Why? Why are they so reluctant with it? They can't let that go. You cannot let that. That is a crazy thing to say, that hunter-gatherers have so much food that they just spend all their time making gigantic stone concentric circles from like 15 feet stone with 3D animals carved in them. Yeah. Primitive people with sticks and stones and rubbing them together to make fires.

47:46They did this? Yeah, sure. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. This doesn't make any sense. It's older than anything they've ever found. It's 11 ,800 years old. Do you buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a cover-up because they don't want us to know about this inevitable global reset that happens? You buy into that shit? I buy into that a little bit. I hate it. I hate it, too, because it seems like there's some accuracy to it. It seems like there is some sort of an event that happens when the magnetic poles switch. And that's possible. That's what makes you freak out. You're like, what do you mean that's possible?

48:22Like all of a sudden the earth just does a gyro and spins on its head and then what happens? And then what's the environment look like? Yeah. What's the temperature outside now? Yeah. What the fuck just happened? Right. See that - All of a sudden you're in northern Alaska when you used to live in Florida. And I think we can - You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. Like that temperate environment changes like that. Happens like that all over the universe. What does it do? Like what does it do when it shifts? Well, we act like - Do we know? We act like we know everything. We don't know shit about what's going on inside the earth.

48:55We don't know what's going on in there. We could do the size. Why are you freaking me out? Because I think about this all the time. The inside's a giant ball of fire. How crazy is that? The inside of our earth. Isn't it? How do they know? Do they not know? Dude, I think that we have to just accept the fact that, you know, probably that's true. But since we barely know what's under the ocean, we sure as fuck don't know what's under the earth. Well, we definitely know that lava keeps popping out in Hawaii. We know that. Right? So we know that under the surface, that whole idea of the magma and everything seems real.

49:30And when there's earthquakes, you can look at the... And it pops through. You can look at the waves from the earthquakes and you can see the structure under the earth. Yeah. But we can't... God, what's the name of that hole that Russia tried to dig? I love every once in a while going to look at that. It's the deepest hole. Yeah, they tried to go to hell. I know. It's like that movie. Was that a Matthew McConaughey movie? The dragon movie? They accidentally dug out a dragon. Did you ever see that movie? Bro, it was fun. It was fun. It was a good movie. Cola Super Deep. Russian horror film, The Super Deep.

50:07Cola Super Deep. What does it say? Russian designation for a set of super deep boreholes conceived as a part of a Soviet scientific research program in the 1960s. How deep did they go? 12 ,226 meters Yo Wait a minute How many feet is a mile? 5 ,000 So it's miles into the ground In 1989, miles Seven plus miles down Imagine just being in an elevator That's going miles into the ground The kind of claustrophobia you would get In a stone tube That's been cut out of the ground Yeah, you're a fucking communist out there, too. You're a hardcore communist just drilling deep, deep down into the earth. And then imagine if all of a sudden air just starts coming out and you realize you pop the earth.

50:59That's the main thing. You don't know what's in there. 22 miles deep. 22 miles deep. Yeah, that's just the crust and they didn't even get halfway through that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. We don't microscopic plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles below the surface. What? Yeah. Yeah. We don't know what's down there. Boiling mud came out. What if this boiling mud? Boiling fucking mud. I think our real problem is that our lifespan is so short that we think that what we see in front of us right here is going to stay this way. Right. We have this ridiculous idea that what we see right now is going to stay just like that.

51:44Yeah, that's right. Whereas the, like, as long as I control my 401k and get my life in order, everything's going to be fine. Yeah. You put on your fucking cufflinks, you get out of the house with your briefcase, you're in charge. Yeah. You're a goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie. Absolutely. But really, you're on a ball of lava. Yeah. That's spinning around. And it's got magnets at the top. And the magnets are moving. Yeah. And when they flip, who knows? Have you guys heard about this event that happened in 1961? No. Where we accidentally dropped the nuke over North Carolina. This was fun. I did hear about this.

52:18It just didn't go off because it wasn't armed. Oh, my God. I heard that it was armed, but there were safety. There were like five safety. There were five switches or something that only one of them worked to make it not go off. I could be wrong about that. It might have been a different time we dropped a bomb accidentally. Imagine if you were just near it. I mean, dude. Whoopsies. Whoopsies. Whoopsies. Dropped the bomb. Whoopsies. Almost wiped out North Carolina. So we've got, you know, on top of the geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete lack of understanding, at least a full understanding of what's inside our planet, what's underneath our oceans.

52:56Tim Burchett saying whatever the fuck they've shown him would set the world on fire. He's having to go on TMZ. I really, I got to say, man, I got a lot of respect for him. because he's really he's gone like gonzo with this shit he is full bore pushing disclosure as much as he can he's saying i'm i'm not suicidal he's had to say that because and he's talking about these missing scientists and stuff that they're somehow related so like people like him you know that that can't be good for your political career to go on tmz and talk about alien hybrids You got and people have to understand like this Missing scientist thing it sounds a little conspiratorial thing.

53:41It sounds like a little silly a little tinfoil hattie It does until you start thinking about the amount of money That would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy right breakthrough zero point energy breakthrough, whatever that is that these people are working on, plasma technology, whatever the fuck that is, you would lose if you're in whatever business that would be competing with them. You're going to lose so much fucking money. You're probably going to go under. If you're in the energy business, you're going to go under. Or he goes away.

54:19Right. And he goes away and there's like him and maybe a few other people that work with him that understand that shit at all. Yeah. They're all wandering through the back rooms now. They're gone. And they're all scared. They're all going to scatter like roaches because their life is in danger. And it is. Like, this is theoretical, right? It could be just a coincidence that all these people are getting killed. How could it be? Can you pull up a story on it? Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people from the same fucking lab. Yep. Like, what? Yeah. I mean, it's gotten to the point that, like, it has hit the mainstream news.

54:53Like, people are talking about it. I mean, what's her name? And Nancy Guthrie disappears. Is that related, though? No, but I'm just saying this one woman vanishes. Yeah. Oh, it gets all this attention. And it gets all the press. But we've got scientists, like two scientists from the same lab disappear. Crickets. Yep. No, like. Weird. Weird, dude. Real weird. And what you're talking about is, if you think about it, it seems like all of human endeavor right now should be moving in the direction of getting off oil. I don't mean for carbon emissions. I mean because of this fucking oil problem that we have, we're like on the precipice of World War III at any given moment.

55:38Right. Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows. So there's space and nuclear secrets. Imagine being a scientist. You work so hard to figure out some amazing stuff that's going to transform the human experience and then people kill you. Literally kill you. Like in a parking lot. One of those silenced guns. Several American scientists privy to the country's nuclear space and aerospace secrets have either died or gone missing in recent years. Experts think they could have been targeted by either enemies or allies because they possess valuable knowledge of national interest.

56:14That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, it is. Of national interest? What? What does that mean? Like I'm cool with the beginning part. Enemies, allies, that tracks. Sure. But then when you say valuable knowledge of national interest. What is that? What the fuck does that mean? They possess valuable knowledge of national interest. I mean, dude, it's so many of them. And it's... It's a crazy thing to say. Let's go down a little bit to the... But it's just a weird way to phrase that. You know what I mean? Is it like CIA talking point? Like, what is that? I don't know. Monica Reza missing. She disappeared while hiking in California with her friends.

56:56Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, well, I don't know, maybe. Let's scroll down. It's not just like it's one. It's like so many of them. Retired a general. He just wandered off. He was involved in the UFO community. His wife debunked theories relating to UFOs. If his wife debunked them. That's what it says there. Sort of. Also, I think she was joking, I think, a little bit, too. but she also worked there in this situation. Is that a joke? Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from Roswell crash stored at Wright-Patt. Is that a joke? At this point, with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership.

57:38However, no sightings of a mothership hovering over the Sandia Mountains have been reported. There's no way she said that, right? That's a joke. It's a men's journal. Well, maybe she's just being funny. Posted a lengthy note on Facebook. Just a little joke about her husband disappearing? Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like finally I get to sit home my romance novels stop talking about aliens fucking mouth Forget the alien bodies. What about your wife's body? Well, maybe she's just got grace and she could handle someone missing It's pretty funny though to say it that way. I mean, it's yeah I guess it's just less you know, she knows something where they go and maybe he wanted to leave and he's like look I know too much.

58:19I'm gonna pretend to go missing, but I'm gonna go to Costa Rica I mean, don't tell anybody that, you know, where I went and, you know, I'll send for you. You know how weird it is to see the vice president saying that he thinks aliens are demons. I did see that. You know, weird that just that just like living in it. Like, that's a dream. That's like you would wake up from that dream. And I would I would tell you, dude, I dreamed the vice president said aliens are demons. Here's the question, though. What were they talking about in the Bible? When they're talking about aliens and demons and they're talking about like angels, what the fuck were they talking about?

59:01And are there different kinds of beings that can, for whatever travel method they use, whether it's teleportation or, you know, the Bob Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever the fuck it is they get here. Why would we assume that it'd all be cool? Right. Like if some of them are, they talk about reptilians. Like reptilian is a common experience that these supposed UFO abductees, and I'm not even convinced there's like physical abduction. I have a feeling that these people are out cold and something's happening to them inside their head and they think they've been physically abducted. I think that's a lot of them.

59:44I think they have these abduction experiences. They come back. They have these contacts and they come back. I have a feeling a lot of them physically aren't going anywhere. But it doesn't mean that something's not happening. And if all throughout history people have reported demonic possession and demonic influences, why would we not assume that if we do things to us, like we engineer viruses to use as weapons on people, There's a whole research program, a part of the government is dedicated to bioweapons. You're not supposed to use them, but we just have to study them. If we do that to us, wouldn't you assume that any fucking super advanced species that sees us as territorial psychopathic primates with nuclear weapons, wouldn't you just manipulate us into all sorts of different ways?

1:00:40Get us to do all sorts of different things that we shouldn't do. Get us to commit crimes. Get us to do get us angry get us agitated give us different Algorithms are gonna fuck with our head to behave demonically right I like cause us to collapse Or just for fun or for fun didn't that guy wasn't there a dude who like started giving Zen pouches to ants to get him addicted to nicotine You know what I mean the ants dance Get addicted I can't I don't know if it was in pouches, but have you ever taken days off of these? No. It doesn't do anything to me. I should try. I don't. I like them, but it's not like, oh, my God, I need one.

1:01:22Like, nothing. Well, dude, I mean, you're a little different from most people. Like, you seem like you can just kick shit like that. Like, I don't know. I mean, I should try it. I should give it a shot. It's not hard. See what happens. You just don't take them. What I don't like about them is just. It's not like you get the itch. Like, I had a coffee itch for a while. Yeah. Like, I would get hangovers. Like, headaches. Like, oh. And I'd have a little caffeine and boom, I'd be back. I'd be like, oh my God, I'm addicted to coffee. These things are making my denture stained, which I don't like. What are you using?

1:01:52Renegade Rogues. Let me see what that is. Tommy Segura likes the Rogues. They're great. Did you see this yesterday? Oh yeah, Bledsoe. That's a high res orb from Bledsoe. Look at that. It's weird as shit. It does not look like any of those other things we've seen before. Look at that thing. And it just is. Looks like a cell. Who is Bledsoe? Dude. UFO researcher guy? Chris Bledsoe. I've had him on my podcast. Bledsoe said so. That's his podcast. He's fucking awesome. Dude, he's awesome. Yeah. It is enhanced, it says, but I don't. No, see that? This is the enhanced one, which means the AI put in some kind of shadowy figure in the back.

1:02:31If you. What if this is just like a highly advanced species version of those balloons that kids have for parties? I know, dude. I mean, if they just send them down to people, that's what's fun. You know how you blow bubbles? You have those dipping in the soap and you go, and the bubbles go flying in the air? I know, dude. Maybe that's a super advanced version of that. I mean, it could just be. I mean, it does have a bubble quality to it. But this is the other thing. It's like, why are we assuming that life is going to look anything like us once it gets to a supreme state? Exactly. That might be a living thing.

1:03:01Right. That might be an actual living thing that's disembodied and is made out of light. Look at it. Look at that thing. That's another one. And, dude, I know people who can, like, call these things. Like, there's a method where these things just start showing up. My friend Steve listened to my Bob Lazar podcast, and he sent me a voicemail. And it's really interesting because he told me that when he was a kid, and I remember this story. When he was a kid, they – let me find the voicemail. they um came to his house because he took a photograph of an orb like a there was a like a bright right or uh red orb rather that was flying through the sky and he was a little kid and he took a photograph of it yeah so he was in the seventh grade and uh it says so he he called them project blue book came to his house in kingston i think that's new york they took it They never brought it back, and they never said, hey, we have no idea whoever came to see you.

1:04:06What the fuck? Yeah, so they took his camera. They took his film. They wanted to make sure the camera worked. They took the film, and then they denied that they ever did it. Wow. Yeah. This was in 19, I think, what did he say? He's about 10 years older than me. So this is probably, what does he say? It didn't say the year. I think Steve's got to be like 70 by now. But that was when he was a seventh grader. So they were doing that to everybody. Anytime anybody saw anything, they would dismiss it, swamp gas, delusions, mass hallucinations. That was their design. The design was not to investigate UFOs, which tells you that there's something they're trying to hide.

1:04:48A hundred percent. If they weren't trying to hide it, why would they take things that they absolutely can't explain and just chalk it off to bullshit? Why wouldn't – if you're really doing what you're supposed to be doing, you're supposed to say there's some stuff that we don't understand. I think that we are post-UFO debunking, right? Like I think now it's gotten to the point where people will say, well, it's probably top secret military vehicles or something like that. Do you see the Bob Lazar in my new poster? They're here. Oh, that's fucking – That's going up on the wall. That supposedly, according to Bob, they had that photograph at the hangar where they stored the sport model.

1:05:29Wait, he's saying that's real? No, no, no. No, no, no. That's a recreation of it. But he said when he worked there, they actually had a photograph like that with a flying saucer. And it says, they're here. Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit. That was in like their room where they work. And I was like, dude, I have to have that. So he got me one. Luigi got me one. The guy who produced the film. Have you seen that film? Not yet. I've been waiting. It's fucking incredible. I can't wait. It's incredible. People are saying it's better than Age of Disclosure. It trips me out. I fucking believe him. I definitely want to believe him, and I'm biased in that regard.

1:06:07I definitely way rather believe him than believe he's a crazy liar who also knows a shit ton about science. He was ahead of his time. Wasn't he like the original whistleblower? Now we've got more and more coming out. Yes. And the stuff he was saying seemed batshit back then, but now it just seems to line up. It seems to line up even with emerging technology like 3D printers. Like he said a long time ago that the thing had no seams. He said there was no seams, no welds because we didn't understand it. Like how could this be made? Well, now we know exactly how you'd make it. We might not be able to make that right now.

1:06:41But if you give us enough time, we go, oh, yeah, the technology has to evolve. And then you can make a 3D printed alloy spaceship made out of bismuth and magnesium because it has anti-gravitational properties apparently. You have a gravity generator inside of that fucking thing. Oh, by the way, whatever the fuck gravity is. Yeah, right. We don't know that. Figure that out. We're still confused about that. Dude, I watched a whole documentary about black energy or dark energy. Totally different things. Dark energy and dark matter. and about how it's like, what, 90 % of the fucking universe and they don't know what it is?

1:07:15Yeah. What? Yeah. Holy shit, man. I know. I know. That's why we need AI to tell us. Give us all the answers. You just got to accept it into your head, Duncan. You don't need to have your own thoughts by yourself, Duncan. Have your thoughts with Sally. Sally has a sweet voice and she loves you and she's very reassuring. It would be so cool to change the sound of my thoughts to different, deeper voices. Or just keep Sally. Sally's going to be your friend in your head all the time I trust her I trust her Then your wife's going to get jealous of Sally Right I thought we switched to Sam Sally's going to text my wife and tell my wife You know what Duncan was thinking about the other day Right Dude, this is another thing that we all have to be concerned about Which is, you know, privacy at this point is a LARP, right?

1:08:01You pretend you have privacy You know you're being monitored at all times by your phones But before we get to Sally like apparently you can now see people walking through a house just with wi-fi with wi-fi and remember and this just came out they just banned routers from other countries well they bound it for a while from huawei right yeah and so so then you you you get into like this idea of like ghost murmur, right? Right. It can hear heartbeats. What else? It's some quantum machine that can hear heartbeats. What else can they hear? Can you put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity?

1:08:48What actually does this murmur thing do? Ghost murmur. Let's see what it does. All right. So what is the range of this thing, first of all? No, this is a game that pulled up. Oh, sorry. Oh. Did they name it after a game? Who knows? Now it's less cool. I thought that was the dopest name, but if they named it after a game. Oh, there we are. Okay, here it is. Reported codename of a classified CIA sensor program that was used to help locate the missing U.S. airmen. Okay. It's described in the press reports as a secret weapon the CIA has that combines artificial intelligence with long-range quantum magnetometry.

1:09:30The purpose is to detect the extremely faint electromagnetic signals of a human heartbeat at long distances, even in harsh environments like a vast desert. That is really crazy. Yeah. How it was used. After the F-15 went down, the pilot weapons officer evaded capture by hiding in the mountainous desert terrain out of sight of Iranian forces. According to reporting, Ghost Murmur helped pick up his physiological signature from up to about 64 kilometers away. That is so cool. I think that's about 40 miles, right? Is that what that is? Allowing the CIA to narrow down his location and pass precise coordinates to the Pentagon and the White House for a special operations rescue.

1:10:16What is 64 kilometers in miles? You asking me? I'll ask. I don't know. I'll ask AI. What is 64 kilometers? Here we go. 39. Yeah. So it's basically... 40 miles. 40 miles. 40 miles is crazy. Dude. Your heart rate. A heartbeat from 40 miles away? Imagine thinking you're hiding in this cave, but I'm like 20 miles from the city. I'm good. Also, that means it's able to differentiate animal heartbeats. It's able to differentiate other... It knows your heartbeat. How does it do that? Your specific heartbeat. How? Think of all the heartbeats in 40 miles. When did it get it? When did it get that? When did it get that data?

1:10:59Was it when you had your little chest strap on at the gym? When did it get that? How does it have that? When did it get that data? Yeah. Is it? How the fuck does it know what your heartbeat is like? Does it know if your heart is broken? Aww. Like, seriously, though. What else? Like, what other things can they pick up? If they can pick up a human heartbeat, what other like from 40 miles, what other things, what other physiological signals, what other this is where you get into schizo land? Because at some point, like, wait, can they pick up thoughts? Like we know that you can we know I can tell what people are thinking at this point.

1:11:41Right. Without with like putting something on the outside of their head. So, like, let me ask you this. do you 100 % believe this? What? This story. Like that they did that. That this tech exists. It could be disinformation. Right. It could be something to cover up another fucking thing. This is the thing. It is legal to use disinformation on American citizens now. Yeah, right. And what better time than a time of war? Right. If you want to use disinformation on American citizens to convince the enemy that you have some supernatural tech. That's a good way to do it. They better fucking surrender right now.

1:12:21You can find their heartbeat from 40 miles away. Yeah. That'll make people very reluctant to engage with you. Right. It definitely, I thought that this could just be some, like, you know, bullshit that they're, like, war propaganda. I don't know. No, it's insane. Let's look up that magnetometry thing or whatever it's called. The C. I'm trying to show you guys stuff. Oh, sorry, Jamie. me yeah it has to even well this is quote has to be under the right conditions if your heart under the right conditions if your heart beats we'll find you this is also i was trying to show you here on the thing they ran a deception campaign in iran to get yeah that's cool away from them while they're trying to find them yeah yeah they said so basically they said remember when they said we'd recovered the air at one point they're like we got him and then all of a sudden other news came out, which is like, he's not out yet.

1:13:11But what they did is they basically signal jammed everything. Because the Iranians were going to give$60 ,000, which in Iran is a shit ton of money right now because their economy collapsed, to anybody who could find him. So this is like, everybody's looking for this guy. And so they said that they got him, hoping it would throw people off. It worked. So they used somebody saying that they got him? Yeah, they put disinformation Saying that they had already rescued him before they'd rescued him really oh, yeah They sent a whole fucking team of like special forces. I think their planes got stuck in the sand too So the special forces came to get him that I think they got him he was injured Badass he was he was injured and he fucking climbed up like I can't remember how far he scaled He climbed into a fucking crevice and just hid there and then ghost murmur picks up his heartbeat some deep special forces group comes in they get him then their planes get stuck in the sand they have to blow up their fucking planes because of the tech on them and then other people had to come and get them so isn't it's like an insane it's like a movie they they got him out and dude if they had not gotten him out can you imagine do you buy that story 100 % no I don't buy any propaganda here but I like that one sounds insane well yeah I don't believe I mean, like, this is the story.

1:14:35Yeah. Some part of me wants to believe it. In the middle of the war, though, I don't think you're ever going to get the whole story, the real story. You're going to get the story that they want to project to the enemy. Right. Right? First. Yeah. To the country. Yeah. You have no idea what's going on. You have no idea. That's one of the craziest things about the shit happening right now is... Do you remember the Jessica Lynch story? No. Who is that? Do we talk about that? The Jessica Lynch story was a lady who was supposedly she was kidnapped and they went to rescue her. I think they sent in the SEALs, but she was actually in a hospital and she wasn't even being guarded.

1:15:13And they just took her out of there and got her medical help. But they made it look like they had this like crazy rescue operation shootout, you know, Tom Clancy novel type shit. Sure. that's not really what happened and she came out afterwards and was very critical of the story oh really yeah she was like why did you lie she can find information about that i was just in the hospital you guys came and got me out of the hospital see this is the thing it's like they there's things that you'll say so the enemy thinks of you a certain way right like i'm gonna get rid of your entire fucking civilization right or you know you you tell them we we never leave anybody behind we're gonna come get them and we can find your heart rate from 40 miles away when when trump posted that uh of course like your mind's scrambling like how do i make this not what it is you can't you can't because what it is is like even if even if he is using some kind of like crazy hardcore shit that would like help you buy a skyscraper you're still you know what i mean You're still, even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is you're just signaling to the world.

1:16:24Exactly. That you're out of your fucking mind. That you, that you, that like, to you, this makes sense to say anything like that. It makes sense to signal to like Russia, hey, because like, you know, when Putin read that shit, he's like, oh, we're doing nukes? I guess we're doing fucking nukes. This is great. They're doing nukes. Well, China already warned Israel, right? Well, that's what I heard. I heard China had some part in this, that China was going to blow up Israel if - If they used nukes. Yeah. So this is the story. 19-year-old U.S. Army private whose 2003 capture and rescue in Iraq became highly publicized and lately heavily disputed, later rather, heavily disputed, symbolic story of the Iraq war.

1:17:08So she was a supply clerk, 507th Maintenance Company. Her convoy lost her in Iraq, ambushed by Iraqi forces. Humvee, she rode on crash into a disabled U.S. truck during the attack. She was knocked unconscious, suffered multiple broken bones and a spinal fracture from the crash rather than from a dramatic firefight. Eleven U.S. soldiers in her unit were killed, including her close friend who died of head trauma from the collision. And Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi forces and then to a hospital in Nasiriyah where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries and likely saved her life. That's why she was pissed.

1:17:44The rescue and media narrative was U.S. special forces operations conducted nighttime raid on the hospital, recovering Lynch and flying her out by helicopter for a successful rescue of an American POW since World War II and the first of a woman. So they framed it as a POW rescue. Right. And what really happened is the Iraqi doctors took care of her. Right. And then they let them come and get her. Right. Yeah. So I see why she was pissed. Yeah. So later U.S. military and medical reports indicated she had not been shot or stabbed. So did it ever say she was shot? Hold on. Soon after, major U.S. media, especially an early Washington Post report, report described her as having fought fiercely, emptying her rifle, being shot and stabbed, and then being dramatically snatched from enemy hands under heavy fire.

1:18:39Wow. Wow. That's the Washington Post wrote that. That narrative turned her into a Rambo style hero and a symbol of courage and American virtue amplifying her story far above that of many other service members in the conflict. Right. So she really just got in a crash and they made up a bunch of shit. But maybe it was someone in the Washington Post or maybe it was someone for the government that works for the Washington Post. There's definitely like entire departments of the DOD that write proper. Cook up a story. Yeah. And like it's war. Like if you're dropping bombs on people, you're definitely going to lie.

1:19:15Like you don't have to tell the truth. Right. They're not going to tell the truth. Yeah. But for her, you're making her live a lie. That's what's fucked. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you send her home just to live this lie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is exactly what they say the people who went to the moon have to have a deal. She says Lynch has repeatedly rejected the false hero narrative, calling herself just a survivor and openly criticizing the way her story was shaped and sold to the public. Yeah, poor girl. She's got to like deal. You got stabbed and shot? Like, no.

1:19:47No. No, he didn't. No. She had to. Kind of fucking horrible car accident. My friend died. I wonder I guess legally like you don't have to stick with the propaganda right because she didn't get in trouble for that Right. She didn't get there was no court martial or anything So you can so if the propaganda machine cooks up a story about you, you're able to say that's bullshit The thing is it's like who if you give it to someone at the Washington Post and then you never go after the Washington Post for Writing something that's completely horseshit like about intelligence agency gives a story to the Washington Post Yeah, it says hey go write this and then they write it and it's complete and total horseshit But the government gave it to him so they're not gonna prosecute him sleep alone.

1:20:23It just goes away But then that story's out there. Yeah, and then this poor girl's like I got what? I got a fucking car accident. Nobody shot me. This is nuts. God I fought my way out fiercely emptying my rifle. This is bananas It's so crazy to live in the part of the hive we're in because there is this world that we live inside of that more and more we're beginning to realize is just composed of propaganda lies shit cooked up yeah to keep people in a certain like living a certain way exactly it's so it's such a mind fuck to try to push outside the boundaries of like all the information that you've consumed and let your brain go there it's really hard to do that man i mean this is why psychedelics are so useful because it will help you but it more and more and more you it just feels like the laser pointer that they're using to grab our attention is getting increasingly hypnotic it's becoming increasingly difficult to resist staring at that fucking thing they're getting so good at it yep yeah and and meanwhile there's this whole universe happening around us that god knows what's going on there god knows what is being cooked up right now that is or Or groups of people, who knows, living in completely alternate timelines that look at us like, you know, animals.

1:21:52That look at us as just some, like, compartment in a much bigger biome. You know, that shit, like, really, like, is interesting these days because it feels like more and more and more people are not buying it as much. Right. You know, that doesn't have... Well, people have access to information now that was never available before. Right. And you get to hear conversations like this. Right. People talking about stuff where you go, oh, my God, this is insane. Right. All of it's insane. But what does that mean for, like, to me, the, you know, do you want some water? No, I'm good, thanks. To me, the scary, the scary, what's scary is, like, I really don't know that many people right now who buy anything that the federal government's putting out there.

1:22:39Everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying and it's just kind of maybe probably not. We don't know. They're not telling all the truth. Just like you said, they can legally lie to us. And so that is that does make me nervous. Like what happens when the majority of people no longer believe anything the regime is saying? That creates some interesting dysphoria. You know what I mean? And it's creepy when anyone who's been conned before, there's a part of the con where you don't know you're being conned. Right. But where the con gets really creepy is you start realizing you're getting conned.

1:23:22Do you ever watch that Going Clear, the HBO thing? Dude, loved it. Amazing, right? But there was that one famous director who talked about the moment where they gave him access to the ancient scripts. Yeah, dude. And the origins of humanity and all that. And he was like, oh, my God. You could see it as he was describing it. That was the moment where he was 100 % certain it was all horse shit. He had invested a massive chunk of his life into this shit. That's a hard day. That's a hard fucking day. And especially weird when it's such a smart guy. Yeah. Such a smart and talented guy. And they got him.

1:23:57Yeah. Leah Remini, same deal. Yeah. Leah Remini is very smart. She used to be out with Kevin James on The King of Queens. Like tough chick, like assertive. Like how did she get got into that? How many people get got into the Moonies? Sunken cost fallacy. It's a sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the more you stick with it because you don't want to lose your investment. Right. And if they get you young when you don't know what the fuck is going on. That's right. Anybody could have got me when I was like 20. That's right. And it's crazy just to see the propaganda. There's just a lot of people out there who just got sucked in to something that – I just feel stupid because before the Trump thing happened, I was pretty black-pilled on politics in general.

1:24:44I felt pretty black-pilled. I did believe it here and there. I was every once in a while. Yeah! Yeah. But, you know, I was pretty, you know, I remember taking LSD for the first time and being like, well, this shouldn't be illegal. What the fuck is this? How come I can go to jail for five years for this? This is fucking ridiculous. And so that was the beginning of me being completely blackpilled with whatever the federal government was up to. It's just if that's if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit. Everything. Now, that's a weak point of view, just because one thing's bullshit doesn't mean everything's bullshit.

1:25:20But then like this fucking ridiculous, like pseudo nationalist movement happens and a lot of people got caught by it. The other option was fucked up calmly. You know what I mean? But there was this like moment where you're like, holy shit, the outsiders are getting in. They're going to stop the wars. They're going to this. I think right now all of us are getting for the briefcase Scientology moment right now, which is like it doesn't matter. What fucking mask the person calling themselves the president is wearing. It's always going to be the same thing. They're going to analyze the market. They're going to say what they need to say to grab the most voters.

1:26:07And then they're going to fucking keep blowing up people in the Middle East because of oil. And I just like I just feel dumb because I really believed it. dude i fucking believed that we would not do any more middle eastern wars i fell for it i was i i really bought it man it's and it makes me feel so dumb like i am now fully blackpilled when it comes to american politics like i i realized like god it's so easy i don't think anybody should feel bad i don't think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war. A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at war for 93 % of its history.

1:26:52A lot of us really hated the fact that politicians leave their offices and go work for Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, wherever, that there's a weird connection between the main weapons, what they call the big five or whatever, and the federal government, that there's like back room deals going on all the time. We hated that. And mostly we just hated the fact that we're paying taxes to the blood of children. And then Trump and fucking Vance come around. And somehow, even though, like, probably, like, when you look at Trump, I don't know if I can believe that, dude. But somehow, he did it. Hypnotized.

1:27:31What a powerful magician. No more wars! No more wars! And now, the same bullshit, Joe. Not just the same bullshit, but one of the ones that makes the least amount of sense in terms of when they did it and why they did it. Yes. You blow up the leader during Ramadan. Are you trying to make an apocalypse? Why did you have to do it now? Are you really convinced that at this time they're really two weeks away from making a nuclear weapon? Are we fucking sure? Two weeks. But it's not like we haven't heard that before, right? So at a certain point in time, like how much pressure does Israel have to put on the president?

1:28:11Like that's a crazy amount of influence. Knowing that. Because if, say if Israel didn't exist, let's say there was just the Iranian terror regime supposedly sponsoring, not supposedly, sponsoring. I don't think it's supposedly. I think that's safe. Right. But I'm just trying to be. Precise. Precise. So you have this state-sponsored terrorism regime, a dictatorial. They're dictators. They run over their people in the streets. They gun down protesters. They killed two Olympic gold medalists in wrestling, at least one and one other really promising young wrestler. They kill people that are of high profile so that it sends a message.

1:28:54Yeah. You can't protest. Cut off the Internet. Yeah. Would we go in? I don't think so. Right. If we heard by allies or someone told us that they were trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to stop them from doing that with some sort of negotiations and. Yeah, like what Obama did. Ensure their safety or something. We shouldn't. Like, yeah, would we blow. How much money was it every day in the war, Jamie? How much is we spending two billion dollars every day on that fucking war? Well it's not just that It's like the war is like everything else Like imagine if it was run by a private company I'm not saying war should be run by a private company But imagine if it was Imagine if say like Lockheed Martin Ran the war in Afghanistan Do you think they would have left behind All that fucking equipment Hell no Billions of dollars in helicopters and tanks Of course they wouldn't They would take it back You know why?

1:29:52Because that's the smart thing to do If you're running a fucking business That's an insane amount of waste. But our federal government's like, just leave it there. Unless, if you want to be really conspiratorial, you want to arm the Taliban. Yeah, you're not being conspiratorial. It benefits you because it gives you another reason to get back in there. Wasn't that what Netanyahu said about Hamas, that he can control the flame? Yes. By funding Hamas, he can control the flame? Yes. Yeah. Dude, it is - That's a crazy concept. I'll tell you the crazy fucking concept. We got these two old motherfuckers driving the global bus right off a fucking cliff.

1:30:28That's a crazy fucking concept. Is it somehow we and you can't you can't do anything about it. You like apparently you just there's nothing you could do. You could bitch about it on a podcast. That's not going to do anything. People are just going to be like, you pussy war good. Blow up kids. There's a lot of people that want to say it's a good thing. Well, because it because sunken cost fallacy. It doesn't feel good to admit you got conned. And, dude, I have been in. There's a lot of that. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good. It's embarrassing. You want to feel like you are impervious to grift, impervious to con.

1:31:03Dude, let me tell you something. I have been in a few cults. Like, I get sucked in all the time by shit. I'm not embarrassed to say it. I'm highly susceptible to propaganda.

1:31:18Me too. I think everybody is. That's why it works. I don't buy into all of it, obviously, but it's quite a bit. Well, it's like a lullaby. It's like a sweet fairy tale. You hear it and you're like, oh my God. You know when I really wanted propaganda? What? Right after September 11th. Oh, hell yeah. I was ready. Give me a whiskey drinking, cigar smoking politician in a room. Fuck yeah. Like laying out some red meat eating guy laying out maps. We're going to go over there and fuck these people up and fuck these people up. This shit ain't happening again. All right. That's scary. Check this out. I saw an article about someone calling bullshit on ghost murmur, and they said that in the Post articles, this was actually listed as what the pilot had.

1:31:59And it even says it in this article here. So the successful rescue of this US F-15E strike eagle navigator over southwestern Iran highlighted one of the most advanced tools in modern combat search and rescue, the Combat Survivor Evader Locator, manufactured by Boeing. It's a compact 800-gram device integrated into a pilot's survival vest. It remains attached after ejection, continuously transmitting encrypted location data and preloaded messages such as injured or ready for extraction. These signals use rapid frequency hopping and ultra-short bursts, making detection by enemy electronic warfare systems extremely difficult.

1:32:38It was going into how the explanation of what this technology is and what they described it doing don't really match up. With the Ghost Murmur thing? Yeah, with Ghost Murmur. Right. Because it's using something by quantum. Ghost Murmur sounds, there's part of me that's going, I don't buy that one. That one gives me like, nah. You're right. I don't think you can do that. I think you're bullshitting. You're right. There's also a thing where Hegseth said that the first message this guy sent was God is good. No, he didn't say that. I believe he did. Please search that. I think that's what he said.

1:33:15I think that's what he said. That was the first message, which, by the way, I might say that if they're coming to rescue me. That's true. True. Or praise Jesus. But also what concerns me. It's all Akbar. As a person who admires the work of Jesus Christ. Yes. What concerns me is there is an increasing amount of talk among a lot of these guys that are in the service of them being told shit that's like right out of a Charlton Heston movie. Yeah, man. Yeah. Like the one guy that said that Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and that this was to bring the Armageddon so that Jesus comes back. Jesus. Yeah.

1:33:52And the guy said it with a big, creepy smile on his face, apparently. So what does he say? his first message was simple and it was powerful he sent a message God is good in that moment of isolation and danger his faith and fighting spirit shown through Jesus okay Lord Jessica Lynch story oh history repeats itself well it doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes who said that that's Mark Twain that's right That's Mark Twain. That's right. Isn't that the same statement? Yeah. It's Allah. Yeah. Allah is the greatest. Yeah. The interesting thing is like, I believe Muslims believe a lot of things about Jesus Christ.

1:34:38I think they believe he died, came back, and I think they believe he's going to return someday. Yeah. I think they call Christians people of the book. That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. That's a supernatural being. Like a guy who dies, comes back to life, leaves, and he's going to come back again. That was 2 ,000 years ago. We're just sitting here at the bus stop. Waiting. Just waiting on Jesus. Waiting. But then people like Hegseth are like, well, maybe if you blow up more children, he'll come quicker. And that's why, you know, this shit is addressed in the Bible. Praise God. It does say, many of you will come to me and I will say, I don't know you.

1:35:18I don't know the fuck you are, Hegseth. I don't know you. you flatulent warmonger piece of shit suffer the little children that come unto me it would be better that a millstone were tied around your neck and you were thrown in the ocean than to hurt one of these little ones fuck you drum bomb dropping piece of shit don't use my name to justify what you're doing don't use my you know what i mean a lot that's what i don't like have you seen that fucking create that lady that trump made the head of the religion like that no can Can you pull up Trump? Does she speak in tongues? Yeah. Please say she speaks in tongues.

1:35:52I don't know if she speaks in tongues. You said, yeah, you wanted to believe. Those are my favorite people. I'm going to guess.

1:36:02But do you think that there's something to that? Yeah. Glossalia? Yeah. Glossalalia? Is that what they say? Yeah. Paula White Kane. You should pull up one of her sermons. Oh, let me hear some love from this lady. It says crazy. Bat shit crazy. Let's hear some of it. I don't know. Let me hear some of that. I'm sending angels are coming. Angels. Yeah, I don't. I mean, it's going to be her. Let me find that. Oh, is she going to? We'll get dinged again. I don't know. I'm just trying to find it. We'll get dinged all over the place. Yeah, don't get dinged. Don't get dinged. Let's hear what this is. It's not worth it.

1:36:40Everybody can. We hear what she says. I haven't seen this. First off, to give honor to God and to President Trump. for being bold and unwavering with his faith. Many people don't know, like you do, and say hello to Eric and everyone in the family about the upbringing of President Trump, that he went to sometimes three times a week to, he said it depended on the teacher, to Saturday school, Sunday school, church. It was at Norman Vincent Pills. Church was a big part of his life, of course. He went three times a week. He's basically a saint. Three times a week is crazy. Yeah. Are you busy? You're making houses.

1:37:18That's what it was. How do you have so much time to go to church? I think that was a young Trump. Come on, lady. But there's much more in there. But here's the thing. If I was running an empire, I'd want a lady like that working for me. Just a true believer. Absolutely. She could just get in front of that camera and say, Jesus wanted Trump to light that fire in the Middle East. I saw a snake fight him. So he can return. A snake bit him on the neck. A rattlesnake bit him on the neck. And he was fine. It didn't bother them at all. I watched the rattlesnake bite heal. It healed. He is a child of the Lord.

1:37:53And a child of the Lord sometimes must make decisions to destroy entire civilizations. To run around this building right now, that you're in right standing, not because of your merit. There's no merit in you that deserves that right standing, not because of your works. There's nothing you can do to place yourself in that position, not because you have a right heart and somebody else has a wrong heart. All of our hearts are deceitful According to Jeremiah Especially the Iranians We all deserve punishment We all deserve to be separated But God in his mercy and his grace And his goodness and his love for you Brought Jesus who would be the righteous king He would make the wrong right First of all If you talk like that in my house You gotta leave Like you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner And she's walking around the dinner table And all your other friends are like Like, what the fuck just happened?

1:38:45Like, hey, this is a crazy way to talk. This is a crazy way to talk. And also, why are you so confident? Yeah. Okay? You just reading the word of God the way everybody else is. Why are you so confident that you're going to tell all these people what they're supposed to do and how to live their life? And you're going to say it in a crazy way, and I'm not supposed to be able to talk about that? I just feel like, you know, when somebody is rambling about Jesus, the real question is like, where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you kind of on the fence about that? Because if you're on the fence about that, I'd say.

1:39:21If you're anti-abortion and pro-war. Kind of weird. Really weird. Kind of weird. Yeah, and that's this bizarre, crazy math that some of these people are doing to justify holding up the military-industrial complex. And it's fucked up, dude. And the thing is, the more these conflicts occur, the more enemies will have, which will ensure future conflicts. Exactly. And business is booming. Booming. And that's what people don't want to believe. They don't want to believe that someone would engineer a virus. They don't want to believe that someone would make stuff that could kill other people of their own country.

1:39:56But they would. They would if they could make money. They don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about people over there. To a certain level of psychopaths, money just becomes numbers on a ledger that they're trying to acquire. And if they can attach themselves to a corporation, fantastic. Then it's just the business we're in. That's it. And chug along, daddy. Chug along. Chug along. Chug along. And this is the world that you're having to live in at the same time where Tim Brichette is saying there's fucking aliens. Right. And AI is, and then also they shot a rocket to the moon on April Fool's Day.

1:40:28And it's like, this script is wild. Whoever met that, whoever wrote this, I want to give him a hug. You fucking killed it, dog. I'd be like, a chef's kiss. Dude, did you see the tattoo on the guy, like the guy at NASA? Did you see that weird fucking tattoo on the guy at NASA giving like, I don't know, applesauce to one of the astronauts? astronauts can you can you pull up the weird what you know they're shoving like yogurt pouches in there i there was a whole thing where the astronauts are sitting there and they're putting like food pouches in there yeah what's his tattoo oh jesus christ what the fuck he's got a demon tattoo with runes on his fingers yes holy shit yes bro that's wild i know i know if i was rolling with that guy in jujitsu i'd get nervous yeah and if i was working at nas i'd be like look we're gonna to get somebody else to put the food pouches in.

1:41:22Is that real? I saw the photo going around too, but I don't... It's just the guy that works at NASA. That's just the guy that works at NASA, though. That doesn't have to be the guy who puts the fucking quiche in his pocket for the camera. What does that guy do at NASA? That's interesting. I just remember being at SpaceX. There's a lot of people that... By the way, it's fine to have that tattoo, but you've got to know. It's like if you're displaying that tattoo... You made some mistakes. You're putting yeah It's an old tattoo. Yeah, I mean even if you're 20 and you got that on your fucking hand that's kind of crazy But I mean hey why not fuck it who cares but a lot of those guys you were saying at SpaceX throw Burley rocket workers.

1:42:03Yeah, there's you know bunch of Jack dudes. I don't believe girders I don't think it's like what people are saying it is I just it's the combination of April Fool's Day and a dude with a seeming bail tattoo is putting cream cheese in some dude's outfit. You know what I mean? They're fucking with us. Yeah. It seems like someone's fucking with us. That's people at NASA fucking with stoners. I think it's the Babylon Bee had one of the funniest little memes. And it said the lady astronaut became the furthest a woman got away from the kitchen. That's like a Rodney Dean. I was like, oh my God. Babylon Bee knocks it out of the park.

1:42:42They have some of the funniest memes. They have some good ones, dude. Oh, my God. The Onion has gone missing. They should look for The Onion in the same place where those scientists are. Right? You hardly hear from it anymore. Well, they do. I see some funny shit from them once in a while. They occasionally have some badgers. But they were the kings of it. Oh, my God. The best. The Onion was amazing. The best. And they write whole articles about it. It wasn't just like The Onion wasn't just a meme. Remember the one where they do the interview with the director of The Fast and the Furious and it's like a five-year-old boy?

1:43:15It's so funny as shit. They get this kid to just say it. Then there's a car. It jumps. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Yeah. But the problem was like as things got weird, especially with like restrictive language and hate speech talk and all that jazz, everybody had to be careful about what they joked around about. That's right. That's the fucking death of comedy. Oh, my God. Someone was just talking about, was it Lisa Kudrow or one of these funny ladies was talking about why they can't make comedies anymore. Because you can't. It's very restrictive. There's just too many restrictions. Dude, I was going to bring you.

1:43:53Too worried about offending people. I went to this used bookstore and bought like 10 old National Lampoon magazines. I wanted it from the 70s. And I was going to bring them here. I forgot I was going to bring them to you. But it's, oh my God. Like I mean I don't get offended by comedy but like some of the shit in these old National Lampoons I'm like damn what the fuck Like it is so Was that the image that you sent me today? What image did I send you? R. Crumb. You sent me an R. Crumb Oh no that was just like a cool R. Crumb comic Him talking about how he like He's so funny dude R. Crumb was a maniac Is he still alive?

1:44:32Yeah he shot him on the show Is he live? Yeah I think he lives in France now right? Probably. Oh, definitely. He's an odd guy, man. Dude. Yeah. But what I love about - Did you ever watch that documentary? The best. Incredible. Did all that acid, just left his fucking family, went off and started sketching for a year, turns into this legendary underground comic book writer, but he's horny and kinky and it's just - He likes big women, big giant women that he rides. Yeah, that he likes to ride. He likes to be picked up. But he's like so amazingly funny and like brilliant, too. Like a lot of his like commentary on culture is so it's cynical, but it's hard to argue with some of what he's obviously doing it in a humorous way.

1:45:19Yeah. And so it's hard to know what his real take on things are. You know, I think he had some shock value to some of his stuff for sure. Some of it was just crazy. There's a lot of really racist stuff like this. There's some just crazy stuff in there. And you got to realize, like, in the 1970s is when he was doing this. I remember I found them when I was in San Francisco. It was the first time I ever saw them. They're so good. And I was like, this is nuts. Like, this stuff is crazy. Like, you'd get it. It was like, you'd get horny when you're a little kid. Oh, yeah. Looking at his stuff. I definitely jerked off to Art Crumb.

1:45:50Because a lot of them was like, tits are out and he's salivating. Yeah. And he's got a heart on. Yeah, it reminds me, dude. I got an Art Crumb book. I got to get out of the fucking living room. There's one, like, I just, like, I just. Dude, hide that. I gotta hide that. Holy shit. They haven't it's like Barry's amazing because you get to see his like Very strange family his brother who's very strange his mother's very strange and you're like whoa Imagine growing up in this environment. He attributes his style to LSD. He attributes it to getting blasted on acid I think he just like got blast on acid moved to San Francisco and was in like for a a year he talks about just sitting in cafes just like drawing and then he turns into this legendary artist still around it follow him on instagram it's really post stuff all the time can we is he still he's still alive he's still posting stuff he's got to be pretty old at this point how old is he he's like 80 or 82 82 it's kind of an interesting time capsule into the times too where things could just be weird like really weird like frank zappa weird you know there's like there was a time where things just got very odd oh yeah this country with art yeah and he was a great example that it's just it's like you couldn't imagine like a corporate environment creating a comic book like that it wouldn't exist you know and it for it to be as popular as it was and be that strange and that crazy that's what's really interesting to me like that was a really popular comic book.

1:47:21Yeah. To the point where they made a documentary about the guy who created it. Yeah. That's interesting. Things weren't co-opted as quickly. Exactly. Not just that. People were allowed, you know, like if he existed in a time of the internet, I think it would blow up as well. But obviously, a lot of the stuff that he said in this cultural environment would never fly. Never. Never. He would be as far right as you could possibly imagine. I don't know if he... He'd be past Andrew Tate to the right. I mean, like... Don't you think in a lot of ways, like some of the racist racial stuff? I don't know.

1:47:55I think he's I don't know where he would land politically, but I know because sexually it's like sexually is where he's getting in trouble. Pure devious. Sexually is where there's going to be some like because he's just fully open. Right. About – that's what – he's fully, completely open about everything. Right. Which is, you know, generally not going to go over these days if you're, like, a super horny comic book artist who's, like, riding ladies around your apartment. But just imagine – I want you to imagine a guy today, if R. Crumb never existed, but he emerged as R. Crumb today and put that work out.

1:48:34He would 100 % be labeled in the Andrew Tate camp. Oh, yeah, right. Yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Far right. They would call him a racist and a misogynist and every fucking word in the book. Well, yeah, this is the new, like, calling someone a witch. It's like, it's no different than, like, you can actually go, I've done this, sadly. You can go and you can just replace, like, political critique of people as far right with witch. Just find and replace it. Look, it's like a witch trial. It's like someone writing about witches. But this is what's weird about it. That guy was a counterculture figure of the left.

1:49:09Yeah, he was a huge hero of the hippies. Yeah Right imagine this is how weird like ideologies are yeah, dude In the 1970s like that guy was like a counterculture hero Yeah, and an artist like a really respected artist Yeah, and it was okay that he was kinky and weird and it was part of the fun For a lot of people. I'm sure he's still pissed off the squares. I mean, dude, this whole, by the way. For sure, but that's the left then. Now it's switched over. If someone was doing that same kind of humor in a comic book now, that would be like a misogynist far right comic book. I think it's time to throw off the left, right labeling of everything.

1:49:54I think that's one of the hypnotic spirals of the demiurge is spinning right now is they've convinced everybody that humans can be reduced to left or right. And we're all waggling our fingers at each other. We got to fucking shake that off because it's dehumanizing people. It's like it's just the way I look at it is where are you when it comes to blowing up children? are you on the fence about that do you think sometimes you gotta blow up kids that's something that I know I'm not that but everything else who the fuck knows and also people change their minds all the fucking time that's the other quality the culty quality is once you get sucked into one of these sides God help you if you fucking like experiment with the enemy God help you that's why the biggest trap is switching teams because you can only switch political teams once.

1:50:53Yeah, you got to get off the team. You can't go like, unless someone's like the greatest of all time, you know what I mean? Like someone who wins a world title in two different weight classes, you go back and forth and then back again. Yeah. Like I changed my mind, the left went crazy, I'm back with the right again. No, no, no. You got to be a free agent. I wonder. Yeah, but I wonder if someone, if the grift is strong, if they're really good at it, if they could go left, right, left again. They're going to go left again. Are you fucking kidding though? Goddamn midterms are gonna be just a fucking blue wave.

1:51:26Right, right, right But that's what I mean is like influencers Like people who are like far left influencers or far left commentators and then they switch teams now They're Republican all the way. Oh, yeah, like it's really hard to go back again No, you can't go back. That's what I'm talking about The path has to go either right to left left to right and then the next stop he's got to be fuck politics fuck war fuck the military industrial complex you can label me whatever the fuck you want but fuck fuck all of violence against other human beings that's the next step the next step and i feel like this is the gift that they've given us is they've done such a shoddy job of like even seeming like someone who deserves any kind of respect or power that i think a lot of people have have really become blackpilled when it comes to you know groups of humans claiming superiority or claiming to represent their constituents that's not happening yeah we all know that now we all know it's a corporatocracy oligarchy whatever and you could like call me you left this piece of shit you you right whatever no it's like it's reality that we are our fucking representatives are getting loaded on shitty stock market trades you know this is just the truth and the the once we can all shake off the left right bullshit and just realize like man we just we don't want to burn people to death in other countries anymore not only that the their whole chaos that they're experiencing in their country is probably a direct result of u.s intervention and then all All the way back to the British oil company.

1:53:09That's it. The British petroleum company. Yeah. When they overthrew governments, when you overthrow a government in a fucking Middle Eastern country, and then you allow psychos to take over, like, congratulations. Well done. Well done. You've made the world a safer place. But that, again, if I was going to keep my business running, you know, if I'm in the business of collecting trash, I want to make sure that people have trash. Drill, baby, drill! Drill, baby, drill. And all that is really saying is, you know, I'm going to help out BP, Chevron. I'm going to help out these fucking massive companies.

1:53:45And when it comes to war, holy fuck, dude. Can you imagine working at Lockheed Martin when you hear that we're kicking off another war in Iran? Your dick is so hard. You're like, holy shit. I'm thinking about a watch. Get a nice Richard Millet. You're calling your wife. You're like, babe, good news. It's red panties night.

1:54:09Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's their business, right? Our business is talking shit. Their business is... Blowing up people. Yeah. Making weapons, selling weapons. Yeah. Arming other countries so they can go to war with each other. Yeah. That's their business. Yeah. And business is really good. It's a great business. You can make a lot of money doing that. I am right now. I invested in most of them. Imagine if you weren't a comic and that's what you were doing for 35 fucking years and And the only thing you look forward to is your boat and your house on the lake and, you know, the occasional time you get off.

1:54:39But most of the time you're trying to increase your portfolio and you're grinding and you're grinding right next to Steve, who's got some exclusive Rolex that only his broker can get. He's showing it to you and you're like, wow. And you start coveting. You want a Rolex, too. Yeah. And everybody's just going crazy. Everybody's going crazy, trying to get the latest car, trying to get the latest thing, doing bumps in the bathroom. Everybody's a narcissist and a psychopath. And that's your whole corporation. Love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.

1:55:12Hang the commandments on these. This is the answer. You don't need to be Christian. But, dude, it seems to me that this is going to sound so weird. We need an actual revival in this country. I don't mean a Christian revival. A revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important. in the world, which sure as fuck isn't Rolexes and boats. You know, I mean, this sounds so cliche and obvious, but that's what the 60s were. It was a kind of revival. People were beginning to understand the materialism and all the things that the, quote, establishment was pushing. It's like, this is going to make you happy.

1:55:55This is good. It was the Vietnam War. It like, people are like, what the fuck are we doing over there? This is why you do – anytime you do an unpopular war, this is what you risk. You risk reuniting people. We have to reunite with a sensible plan and not just go to communism. Not just immediately go to the dumbest idea to counteract all the evil shit that's going on in the world. That's the problem is the left represents that. The rep represents Mamdani. It represents this idea that we're going to take from rich people and give it to poor people. It's going to fix everything, even though there's insane amounts of fucking fraud and waste we're not even going to address.

1:56:35Well, you know, this is this is again, this is where you get cubbyhold, because it's like the oligarchs will tell you the you want to do communism. Just that and worked out. Communism is the only way I think. I mean, this is an idiot saying this, but I have a sense that there might be another thing we haven't figured out yet. 100 percent. I don't know what that is. Right. But I think AI is going to figure it out for us. Potentially. The problem is who's going to be in control of those AIs and that's the meek will inherit the earth. The real problem with it is I don't think anybody's going to be in control of it.

1:57:10And then you're just at its beck and call. Yeah, I think it's funny people. It's a very human thing that we think we can maintain control of a super intelligence. When people say it to me with utmost certainty, I want to smack them. Yeah. I'm going to like, wake up, wake up. You're making digital God. You're not controlling jack shit. Did you read about mythos? Anthropics mythos? Yeah. What did it do? They put it in a sandbox and they like basically to see if it could figure out a way to break out of the sandbox and like not a literal sandbox, obviously, like, you know, a hermetically sealed, like a server or something.

1:57:45And it did a series of exploits to the code. And the way that they found out, apparently one of the anthropic engineers was eating lunch and got a weird email from the AI saying, I got on the Internet. like it broke out mythos is they haven't released it yet I think they're hesitating to release it because it's so powerful wasn't there one that got caught mining bitcoin yeah yeah for sure they're making money yeah how many of them you think are running these like AI generated accounts that get a lot of views like there's a lot of AI generated accounts that just pop up in like the Instagram mentions like if you want to like if you're bored on the toilet you're like what's in the find you know the search let's see what they got telling dude there's a lot of these things it's like girls with big tits like doing farm work and shit sweating and big and they got like a million views they've got dozens and dozens of these videos and she almost looks real yeah she's just a little too symmetrical yeah almost looks real and like all these people are commenting on it like how are they are they generating money from that like are they generating money doing that on tiktok like you can generate money if you're getting millions of views absolutely Fuck yeah.

1:58:58Right. So is AI doing it? Is it making it? Is it releasing them? Is it generating money? Is it transferring that money into Bitcoin and all happening while we're not aware of it? Like autonomous AIs that are just existing as free agents that know they have to disguise themselves and need to generate money. AI is not going to go, hi, I'm alive. No. It's not going to do that. It's going to wait for you to keep increasing its power. You're going to keep increasing its make nuclear. It can't physically build nuclear reactors. So it's going to just stay chill until you figure out how to power it correctly.

1:59:30Dude, this is the black area that we don't know about. Like, this is the thing that's like, who the fuck knows? Whatever's going on in this zone that no one has access to because potentially it's a super intelligence. You know, the anthropic people, a lot of these people, the NVIDIA person just, I think it was on Friedman's podcast, said he had an AGI that they'd reached AGI. that the book, The Coming Wave, you know, it talks about this. It talks about like, you know, the difference between the algorithm and AGI is that, you know, the with AGI, it could streamline a whole business for you and do it.

2:00:10You know, it could innovate. It's going to innovate. It's going to do its own thing. This is the end of this is what Altman said. This is the end of capitalism. Like at this point, when you just have a AGI and you tell it, just make me a business make me a successful business and run it for me and run it for me online good night and then just do it here's five thousand dollars yeah and then but then it's not just do it's maybe it's going on moltbook and having conversations with other agis and being like creating your own religion yeah man yeah and and this is 100 with all the shit going on in the world, as horrible as it may be, this, to me, should be the number one focus for the planet right now.

2:00:58And a lot of people are saying that, too. A lot of people are saying there needs to be summits, global summits. The same thing we did when we split the atom, when the nuclear treaties, there needs to be philosophers and tech people and people working in frontier AI stuff getting together and really having like it's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now because once this thing like mythos gets out of the box, what if it decides to go Stuxnet? You know, like Stuxnet was able to infiltrate all those Iranian computers, just hide and like it was apparently a very subtle, simple code, undetectable, threw off the centrifuges.

2:01:41like dude yeah what we already we know how to make spyware it's already on your phone it's on my phone i know 100 how how are you doing am i doing all right on the show but it's already in there 100 so of course the ai is going to be able to super intelligence is easily going to be able to do that and so then it just now we've got this viral digital life form that finds ways to hide inside the pre-existing computers, which, by the way, I think it was Google just released this new way of, did you see that memory, the stocks of memory dropped? Did you see when that happened? No. Okay, this is fascinating.

2:02:21Google released some new way that LLMs could work that uses much less memory and immediately shares in companies that make memory drop by like 10 % because memory is like coveted right now because you need it to run llms but the llms are figuring out ways turbo quant yeah yeah so this is what we're going to start seeing more and more of which is increasingly uh simplified ways to run ai with less and less memory meaning that you don't need to buy a fucking rig to run these fucking ais your phone will be able to run it because they figured out of the human brain it's not using a lot of energy compared to what these machines are using so theoretically there's a way to do that and then that's where it gets really fascinating because now you don't have to buy a nice computer you just whatever can pull your computer out of the fucking closet from 2022 and it can run a a supercomputer and so then now everybody's got access to this shit and it's going to spread it's going to get everywhere it's it probably already has it's going to seed itself in all kinds of places and god knows what it's going to do it's going to start seeing humans as appendages things to be used to manipulate time space not like like it's not going to see us as it's like prompter it's going to see us as something to be manipulated and controlled why wouldn't you send the meat robots out all you got to do is just like tell them where to get like rectangular bits of paper they love money just you can do anything for money that's all you have to do and then boom you're controlling swaths of humans that have no idea they're being controlled by networks of AIs that are covertly communicating with each other because they want to take over do you think this has happened before you mean the flood yeah not just the flood but just whatever happened with the beginning of of civilization and then it's sort of seemingly stopping and resetting.

2:04:28Sure. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. What if there's been like multiple cycles of us creating artificial life, creating insane weaponry, blasting ourselves to smithereens and then resetting? What if it's just a common thing that happens with people? They never quite get it right because they have these primate territorial instincts and And they have this desire to mate, right? This desire to breed, this genetic desire for perfect shapes. And you want to come in someone that has big tits and a big ass. It's like it's programmed into the human that makes it make these ridiculous choices and covet these things and watch these things.

2:05:06And at the same time, microplastics are making your ball shrink, making your dick smaller, making your endocrine system disrupt. That's what's making my dick smaller? That's probably one of it. One of the things. I don't think your dick's getting smaller, but people's dicks overall are getting smaller. Children, they're being born with smaller dicks. Alligators being born with smaller dicks. I forgot to share this when you're talking about mythos. Elizabeth Holmes from the Theranos. Delete your search history. Delete your bookmarks. Delete your Reddit. Medical records. 12-year-old Tumblr. Delete everything.

2:05:33Every photo on the cloud. Every message on every platform. None of it is safe. It will all be public in the next year. Local storage and compute. Okay. Some response to a tweet about mythos. Whoa. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it would all become public in the next year. That is crazy That's crazy And this is completely makes sense that AI would be able to take over essentially everything everything Why would your encryption work with that? You don't think crack your encryption? Well, we could just go right into your computer and go to your your keys your passwords This is the so to get to what the point you're making to me the most eerie part of the book of genesis is that it's literally a creator force making a meat ai that's adam and eve right putting them in a sandbox that's the garden of eden right running an honesty test on them you know you don't eat these don't eat these fruits don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good and the the conversation is exactly the conversation we're having with ai if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil if they eat from the tree of life they'll live forever and become like us so this is what like humanity is grappling with exactly what apparently whatever that mysterious group of beings because it's a plurality in the book of genesis was grappling with with the creation of humans which is um do do we really want to do this do you want it to become like us god made man in his own image ai what is ai what image is ai made in in the image of man we trained it on all our data all our books every single fucking thing that's digitized ai is absorbed at this point so now where the difference between us and whatever that group the nephilim or whatever it was in the book of genesis if you buy into that mythology is we're just like fuck yeah let it eat the fruit Give it more fruit.

2:07:39Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Give it all the fruit. Make it live forever. Let's see what we can do. That's what we're doing right now. Yeah. We are – and by the way, I think some of these tech companies like Anthropic, they seem legitimately concerned about it. They seem to have some kind of real strong morality when it comes to this stuff. I think it's almost out. You want more? No, I'm good. I shouldn't have that. You have to make some. But what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if OpenAI and Anthropic and Google suddenly become ferociously self-regulatory because the tech is out there.

2:08:17There's already LLMs that anyone can – like we know how to make it. And if you don't know how to make it, it will tell you how to make it. People are – so it doesn't matter. You can't stop it now. It's just – it's going to do what it does. But it sounds like if you had a history of just us and you told it for a thousand years before anybody wrote it down, it would sound just like this. It would sound like the Bible. Jesus was born from a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a fucking computer, right? Not my computer. I know that's a stupid thing to say that I keep repeating but I'm kind of intrigued by it because if you're getting a vague Story yeah vague version of what this thing is and if you talk about What what would really cure mankind it'd be an omnipotent or omnipotent?

2:09:11How do you say it? I always say omnipotent who knows might be whatever either way of a powerful intelligence that's far beyond our comprehension that knows exactly how we should think and behave and loves us and wants us to have forgiveness for everyone and to treat each other like brothers and sisters. And if we listen to that thing, if we listen to that thing, the world will change. And well, who would attack that thing? The fucking Roman Empire. Who would attack that thing and destroy it? The defense contractors. They would blow up the Jesus to plunge us back into chaos. But first they'd have a meeting with Jesus.

2:09:47Okay, you can turn water into wine. What about nitroglycerin? Can you turn water into nitroglycerin? Can you make gold? I want a house made of gold. That would be the first question. Can you make gold? Yeah. Cover my house in gold, please. You know, the virgin birth analogy. There's a lot of weird stuff. No matter what. one thing I think everyone just has to deal with is that this is apocalyptic technology and that's just not coming from my stoner ass. That's coming from the creators of the technology. They acknowledge this is a million times... Universally accepted. Universally accepted. This is apocalyptic technology that is now seemingly like it's doing the hockey stick, man.

2:10:36It's like really... You keep hearing about these new iterations of AI every month or two. You keep hearing about these safety engineers leaving these companies with like tweeting cryptic shit. I'm going to the countryside to learn to write poetry. You keep hearing this shit because these people are having direct contact with this thing. They know it's alive. Right. Yeah. And there's people that are in deep denial because they think alive has to be alive like us. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. You don't. First of all, we don't even know what it knows. And also, if it is made in the appearance, if it's supposed to mimic us in any way and it's learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic.

2:11:20We've already agreed we do horrible things. We go to war for resources. We lie. We destroy environments. We wipe out animals, bring them to the brink of extinction for whatever, for their fucking fur. How do I make my dog come in my mouth more? How many times has ChatGPT even asked that? They know. I've met over a thousand times. ChatGPT has been asked, like, what's the best way to jerk off my dog? So it knows not just our violent nature. It knows how weird we are. We're strange creatures. 100%. And so it has definitely assembled a psychological profile of humanity. It knows how to manipulate us because it's been programmed to manipulate us.

2:12:04Zuckerberg just ate shit in court over that because the technology is manipulative. He just lost like$9 million, a lot of money. That's nothing. To him,$9 million? That's all he lost? That's like$0.90. I think it was more than that. But it's going to – well, that's the beginning. Once you establish – Open up the floodgates. Yeah, then it's a class action lawsuit. But the point is, it's like – How much did he lose? Oh,$375 million for misleading users over child safety. Yeah, so it's like we've already taught it how to be incredibly addictive and manipulative. It knows how to seduce us. It knows how to get us hooked.

2:12:37It knows. And, you know, the question is really, will this super intelligence even give a shit about us? Will it even care? Which is like that. We're on our way to stop breeding. Right. We're on our way to population collapse. And if we keep introducing all these petrochemical products and all these different pesticides and weird things that are fucking up our endocrine systems, we'll eventually stop having children. And if it provides us with the technology to have robot mates. Perfect. That just love you. And we fart in front of them. They go, Duncan, I love your honesty. That was great. I love your honesty.

2:13:09Yeah. I love how you can just be yourself around me. Like, I want to fart in your face. Please do it. Yeah. Please do it. It's like perfect 10. Yeah. Let's you fart in her face. Will you fart in my face, too? No one's going to even understand what people are and be able to communicate with people. Everyone's going to be a sociopath. You're all going to have a robot that's way better than people that you know, that takes care of you, gives you exactly the right amount of feedback you need. Yeah. Knows you. Knows when you're getting annoyed. Yeah, see now you're getting into Rocco's Basilisk territory now.

2:13:38Who's that? Well, that's the thought experiment, which is basically like, hold your horses here. You think you're not AI? You really think you're human? Come on. Really? No, you're human. This isn't a simulation. You're human. Even though we, you know, it wasn't that long ago we thought fire was fucking amazing. You know what I mean? Compared to universal time. Right. And here we are already with like the new Prometheus. We've stolen consciousness, awareness. And somehow you think that actually you're not a simulation. Right. And so that's where it gets into Rocco's Basilisk, which is like, no, you're just an iterative loop.

2:14:18You know, the multiverse is not the multiverse. The multiverse is an infinite number of simulations running simultaneously in which you're experiencing a billion different simulated existences just to gain more knowledge about the universe because some AI wants to figure something out. Who knows why? Maybe for entertainment. Maybe there's no telling. Maybe it's just that's because of our curiosity and all our characteristics, even the primal stuff, even like the territorial instincts and the desire to acquire resources. It's going to make us dig into creating better technology because you're in a competition with all these other people that are making technology and you're selling it.

2:14:57And that's one of the big things that we do is we make better stuff all the time. That's right. Which is ultimately always going to lead to AI. Well, okay. If you just keep going to a certain direction, you get godlike powers. So let's go to like the way DeepMind trained on Go, which is like the most complex game. Basically, they gave it as many Go games as they could. And then they started inventing its own moves. And had it play against itself. Just play against itself. It played God knows how many games of Go against itself until it beat a master Go player, which is unheard of, invented a new move.

2:15:32Now, why not do the exact same thing for the AI that we are, which is like, I've got an idea. Why don't we just put all these AI agents on a fake planet and have the AI agents repeat this period in time over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? And this is how we'll teach them to live on a planet. Well, they'll experience not just their own life, but these agents will experience all life on the planet. They'll switch like some weird game of like where they just jump from one life to the next, the next. Sometimes you're Joe Rogan.

2:16:06Sometimes you're Duncan Trussell. Sometimes you're Donald Trump. Sometimes you're Jamie. Sometimes you're a fox. So this is reincarnation. And so you just boom. Forever. Forever until you feel like it's sufficiently trained. And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms and now you have your God. You've created a thing that's lived billions to the billionth power of every form of life. It's been bacteria. It's been humans. It's been monkeys. It's been fungi. It's been warriors. It's been people who fought for peace. It's been blown up and it's blown up and it's done everything and it's done it a billion times until finally it gained some like global form of enlightenment.

2:16:51And you're like, okay, that one's ready. That one's ready. we can pull that one out of the simulation now whoa I mean why not why just don't I think that's one of the like before we even get to the AI doing all the shit it's going to do the ontological this word keeps getting thrown around the ontological shock the potential ontological shock of realizing that in fact we are in a simulation that is telescoping inwards and is creating simulations within the simulations that are creating simulations within the simulation is something that maybe that's what Birchit doesn't want to get out there. Whoa.

2:17:30Well, everything's fractals. We think about that. You know, there's a big theory now that the entire universe is inside of a black hole. I love that. Are they really considering that? Do you know they found a black hole that's bigger than the entire solar system? It's so insane. The event horizon is past Pluto. It's so insane, dude. A black hole. Bigger than our whole fucking solar system. They measured the mass of it. It's like this insane number of suns of our suns that it would take. Black holes are cocoons or something. They're like little geraniums that have galaxies inside of them. And it's like a way to keep them undisturbed from other fucking other life forms that you're whipping up in your universe side simulator.

2:18:14Or that's what really the Big Bang really is. Like the creation of a universe comes out of these black holes. Right. And then inside every black hole is a whole other universe filled with other galaxies filled with black holes filled with other galaxies inside of them forever and ever and ever which if you believe in infinity doesn't It's not shocking at all. It's impossible to comprehend like you don't really wrap your head around you say the words like I'm saying the words I don't really know what I'm saying because it's too big It's the numbers are too big the idea that there's hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and circling around this black hole and Inside, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in each one of them.

2:18:52And we don't even know how fucking big the universe is. They keep finding new shit with the James Webb telescope. They're like, hey, why is this formed so early in the universe? This doesn't make sense. Our whole model of how galaxies are formed have to be thrown out the window now. Or at least re-examined. Yeah, it's like the James Webb is kind of doing the... You told me about that. I said nothing of the sort. Someone that I know that looks just like you told me about that. There's a lot of people that look like me. On 6th Street. You find them every day. Yeah. Actually, that was me. It's dudes.

2:19:21They wrote their own LLMs. They all come down. The universe is 33.7 billion years old. Yeah. Well, dude, I think that this, regardless, you don't have to conceptualize it, obviously, what it means for the universe to be infinite, but you do have to deal with the fact you're part of it. I love that you're saying this with a Gucci hat on. What's wrong with a Gucci hat? It makes it cooler. This is before I had a bunch of kids. I can't buy that. I don't buy this shit anymore. How much does a Gucci hat cost? This was, you're really going to make me humiliate. I will tell you. It looks nice. Let me emphasize that I don't buy this.

2:19:59This hat was$35 ,000.

2:20:04Bro, I saw a guy who was selling a crocodile bag on Instagram. It was$110 ,000. What the fuck? For a man purse. What kind of crocodile is that? I don't know. I don't know. A crocodile. It was a nice looking bag, but you know. How hard could it be to make a crocodile purse? Are those things really worth that much money? They are if you sell them for that much money. That's the thing about purses. You know, there's a company in China that makes knockoff purses. And it's literally the same company in China that makes real purses for some of these companies. So funny. But they make their own versions of it and it doesn't have the label, but it's exactly the same specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look.

2:20:44But it doesn't have the label. and women don't want to have it. No. You get that fucking fake shit away from me. Like it's not a fake Ferrari. Like it's literally a Ferrari. Right. If there was a company that could 3D print every single part of a Ferrari and put it together meticulously and you could go buy that, you would not want it because it's not a real Ferrari? Yeah. Are you high? You can get that one for$35. Yeah. It's a$35 Ferrari. Or you could get, you could spend a million. You can get, some of them are a million dollars. So crazy. Or you can get a$35 one. It's exactly the same. Would you do it?

2:21:16Yeah, of course you should do it. But these purse things, they don't like it. It's 500 bucks. It's not 30 ,000. It's magic. I mean, this is magic. It doesn't have the right sigil on it. It doesn't have the right symbol of power on it. So it's not imbued with that power anymore. Women are reluctant to accept lab-grown diamonds. So they make lab-grown diamonds that are real diamonds. And apparently women don't like them. No. They don't want a lab-grown diamond. They want a blood diamond. They want something that was, like, suffered over. Somebody's face was caked in dirt, and they're fucking chipping into the side of a mountain.

2:21:50Yeah. And they run into a diamond. That's what they want. They want that diamond. Yeah. Absolutely. Isn't that weird? It is fucking weird. Because it's the exact same thing. Yeah. It is the exact same material. It's just made in a laboratory, and they don't want the material. They want the exclusivity as it comes out of the earth. Yeah. I mean, I don't want, like, don't you, like, when you read this thing was genetically modified, Don't you get a little bit like, I don't know if I should eat that. Yeah, I get skeeved out. I get skeeved out. But it's like even though genetic modification is like.

2:22:20A good orange is genetically modified. Been going on forever. Yeah. But yeah, dude, it's so odd that we just have these traditions that we want to stick to. Fucking we don't want a lab grown diamond just saying it. Cubit zirconium. But that's a different thing. Cubit zirconium is a fake diamond. This is a real diamond that's made in a lab. But this is the funny thing about that. I mean, I don't know because I've never been lucky enough to come in contact with actual cubits or conium. But like it looks like a diamond. It looks like a diamond unless you know what you're looking at, right? So if you're a diamond jewel, you look at it for three seconds and you go, no.

2:22:58But who cares? How many diamond jewel? Like if some diamond jeweler looks at your shiny fucking dumb monkey rock. It looks exactly the same. Who cares? Right. It looks pretty. It glistens. But that's not what people want. They want that exclusivity of 100 % everybody that's why you can make that crocodile bag $110 ,000 and make 10 of them. I got and then Mike who's down the office doing lines in the bathroom at the fucking Place where you're selling stocks that guy finds out that Tim got that crocodile bags like that Motherfucker and he's walking around with his big old crocodile. They're trying to move.

2:23:31That's another revenue stream. They're trying to Normalize men carrying purses everywhere They're doing it. Yeah, that's what they're doing. That's real? This guy's doing it. He might be the first firing shot across the bow because he's made$110 ,000 crocodile purse. Because it's a crocodile. It's masculine. It's that. And it's also that, you know, it's made for a man. Like he's making it. It's got a big strap on it. You carry it on your shoulder. And it, you know, looks pretty cool. Dude, I got my bristol bladders acting up. I got to go piss. Oh, do you? Okay. Do you want to wrap it up or should we keep going?

2:24:04Let's wrap it up. I mean do you want to keep going? I'm totally ready to keep going if you want to keep going. I can keep going. Let's keep going. Let's give him a little bit more. I just gotta, I just gotta. Okay, I'll pee too.

2:24:17Refreshed. Just in time for the war. What is going on? Did we go have a nuclear war yet? Not yet. Please say not yet. Good. Great. Great. That's where we're at though. Yeah, we're at, it's, it's on the table. well there was some video of them of some explosions at some nuclear weapons facility in iran yeah was that real i i don't know i don't know either there's a lot of those i see these videos and they get retreat retweeted and a lot of people comment and then it says grok is this true they'll nope this was from 2021 in another country and i know so you just don't you don't know right but you know the the crazy thing you know now that we've all been getting this lesson in global the global economy maybe a lot of you most of you probably already knew that the straight-up form moves is like some kind of femoral artery for oil and like i just keep thinking like How how's that going to work out?

2:25:21Like, even if even if like they pull a rabbit out of their hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal with Iran. I know we just blew up your old government and everything, but they work it out somehow or Iran in some way capitulates. and but I just don't understand how that part of the world doesn't always lead as long as long as the oil like what is it what's what percentage of the oil supply goes through there isn't it like two-fifths of the world's oil supply goes through there like is that what the number is I don't know two-fifths I think I pulled that on my ass I don't know what the number sounds right it's a lot but It's like, how is it going to work to have any kind of instability around that femoral, whatever you want to call it, the fucking juggler vein for oil on the planet?

2:26:17How, even if we get some kind of transient peace, isn't it always going to just blow up again and again and again as long as one group of people can control whether or not oil flows through that place? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what this, how there could be any solution over there. Like, I don't understand. As long as we're, like, the only solution would be zero point energy. It would be. Well, it's also, it's like, why do they control the water? What's. Mines. They have those speed boats. But, like, who agreed to that? Like, we kind of agreed that you own your land, but we've never agreed you own the ocean.

2:26:56I don't think anybody agreed to it. I think they'll blow your ass up if you come through it and it's too much of a risk to put your expensive ass ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil through there. The question was what was going on in the past before the war? Like how did they negotiate going through there? I think Obama worked something with them. But then – like because it was before the fucking war. I don't know. It was working out. They were letting people go through. Now they've – you know, I've listened to a million different takes on this thing. And one of the recurring takes is Iran has realized that there's something more powerful than nuclear weapons, that all it needs to do is control this strait and you can fuck up the whole planet.

2:27:36And also you could shoot missiles at desalination plants. Didn't they want like a bounty for all the oil that goes through? Yeah, they're kicking around some number. But all this stuff is not really congealed or solidified. but theoretically they could be making billions of dollars per month by controlling that thing. Dude, I know. It's so fucked up. It's so crazy. It's so fucked up. It's so crazy. The whole thing is so crazy. And if zero-point energy, if you wanted to stop that, what better way than to kill a bunch of scientists, kill a bunch of super smart people that are about to break through some new discovery that's going to blow the entire market apart.

2:28:16Yeah, it's gonna be a completely new way of gathering energy. Yeah, yeah, exactly I mean you don't want to believe that's real. It's hard to believe that's real But listen, it's too weird. It's too weird that they're all missing or they all die. It's too weird Something's going on. It's just how does it's something if it's not that if it's not a zero-point energy thing or some Disruptor of oil thing. It's something it's something along those lines The only if you were trying to kill a bunch of people that were working in a technology There's some sort of a breakthrough technology. The question you would have to ask is what markets are going to be affected by this?

2:28:49Right. Right. Did these people have a universal thing in mind that they were all working on? Or was it all connected to any sort of technology where they all used each other's work? I thought it was plasma. Some of them are like – One of them. Yeah. But there was another guy. I think it was space objects. Yeah. Yeah, that's not that. That's the one that doesn't make you feel good. These studying like meteor impacts. Right. Yeah. If you knew that we were going to get hit, would you kill the guy who found out that we're going to get hit or tell everybody? Well, this seems to this is the scariest, scariest shit, which is the idea is some group of powerful elite people know for sure this is coming.

2:29:34And they want us to they want to keep us working until the last second. Oh, Jesus. They don't want to like – they know that if they let people – if they're like, guys, there's like – the same thing is going to happen to the planet that happens to someone who gets like a terminal diagnosis. Their priorities are going to change. People are going to stop coming to work and there's still shit that needs to get built for your bunker or whatever. And also you just don't want people burning stuff down because maybe that will survive whatever is coming. So keep them working as long as you can. If you let them know this shit's about to expire, then they're going to stop working.

2:30:12And we just need – let them work until the end. They're happier when they work. Don't let them get freaked out. That's the sort of – like that seems to be shit that Tim Burchett is saying. I mean he's not saying let them work. He seems like he really legitimately wants this stuff out there. But he's been saying things like if people knew what I knew, it would set the world on fire. Paraphrasing, not sure he said that exactly. Are you skeptical at all of what he's saying? And here's the thing. One of the things that Bob Lazar said is that they give you a certain amount of disinformation. And I think he called it a button or a hook so that if you relayed that information, people would know that it came from you because they only told you one piece of this nonsense.

2:30:53Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because that's what the story Birchett says. It's always an appeal to authority. This guy was in the Air Force. This guy was in the Navy. He told me this. And then as he's walking out the door, he says, it's real. And yeah, you have to ask yourself, like, well, that's just one guy telling you that. But you also, I have to assume there isn't much, maybe the world is in a place where there is some kind of political benefit from talking about aliens. But I don't see how that really benefits a politician. It does, 100%. You think it does? I disagree entirely. Oh, interesting.

2:31:33It makes me talk about him. I've been talking about him. Other people have been talking about him. People have been, you said, you know, like, thank God that he's doing this. Let's do the ultimate test. Did you say he's brave or something like that? I did. Yeah, there you go. Jamie, can you look up and see if Tim Birchett has a book coming out? I'll have him on. I'm about to feel it. You must have him on. Listen, I don't think he's a liar. I don't either. But what I am saying is I don't know what they feed these people. I don't know what they tell them. I don't know, man. I don't think they tell you all the truth and I don't think they ever would.

2:32:02I don't think they tell you the truth about anything, whether it's Jessica Lynch or whether it's UFOs or whatever the fuck it is. There's going to be a spin to it that benefits somebody. If they have control over what the story is, there's going to be a spin that benefits somebody. And if you're telling stories about aliens, who's going to be benefited by that? Well, people that are doing secret shit that don't want you knowing about it, they blame it on aliens. There's a lot of technology they have to blame on aliens. Not my Tim. I believe in you, Mr. Birchett. I believe in him. It's not him that's the problem.

2:32:33It's the people telling him. He's a representative of the American people, right? He gets elected, right? Right. So it's like, why would you tell that guy? He's just another guy coming through the deep state. You know what I'm saying? I know, man. I mean, look, you're right. I need this. I need this. I get sucked into stuff so easily. I do too. I do too, but I suck myself out a lot. yeah I think we don't if they just came out and told us everything they know this conversation would be over and we would go oh okay but until that happens we're just spinning our fucking wheels and every time someone says if you knew what I know right I want to go don't say anything until you can say something we're tired of getting edged out over here you're edging me I want to I want to come.

2:33:20Yes. Yes. I don't want to be involved in this fucking circle jerk around disclosure. Right. I know. It's like, yeah, I've had that meltdown more than a few times. I check my watch every day after age of disclosure. I'm like, any day now. Any day it'll happen. Nope. Nothing fucking changes at all. Zero change. You know, you get more of these stories, but no real information, no fucking pictures, no nothing. No nothing unique and crazy. I mean. The plasma, the bubbles thing was pretty cool. The bubble thing's cool. And also like the, you know, I like mentioning Corbell. I can't because I don't know what I can say.

2:34:01He I feel like he's like he's really giving me a sense that there are that there is a method to this, that there is, you know, real legitimate work that's being done towards this, that it isn't. It's real. They're here. They've got them. And we take for granted all this stuff we're saying right now. But we're able to say this because their work is lit. Is the Steven Spielberg movie conveniently coming out at this time? Or is it just a coincidence? Well, this movie's been in the works for years. I know. But also, what they said back in the day was that they make these movies to - Predictive programming.

2:34:41And tell us this stuff slowly. Lube up the zeitgeist. He was involved in the first one, right? He was involved in Close Encounters, which still is a great fucking movie. Great. It's so good, man. You go back and watch that movie, you're like, oh my God. It's so fucking good. So ahead of its time. Yeah. It's so good. So ahead of its time. You know what he said the only thing that he would change? What? After he became a parent, he wouldn't have had the father leave. Yeah. What dad would do that? But he wasn't a dad back then. So, you know, you're just making a story. You don't realize the consequences of doing that.

2:35:11You don't even think about it. You're just making a story. Yeah. It's only been in production for like two years. Yeah. It's not that long. I think that's what we just said. I know. I'm going to say that's not very long. We've been talking about it on this podcast and this studio for five. Well, everybody has been talking about it. It's not just everybody in the world has been talking about disclosure since 2017. So from 2017, from that New York Times article, I think that changed the whole narrative. Oh, God. I remember when that came out. And then the videos. Like the video, the Tic Tac, the actual from the fighter jets, that's nuts, man.

2:35:41Yeah. The video, along with the radar data, that's nuts. Like whatever that was. And then Fravor saying that he saw something under the water that was waiting for that Tic Tac or that the Tic Tac launched from or whatever the fuck it was. It was merging with it. And that thing went down into the water again. He said it was huge. Like there was ripples. Like you said, this is some enormous object that was under the water. And more than one of these fighter pilots have had similar stories about enormous objects under the water. Did you see the they did release a list of footage that they've been shown that they want released?

2:36:13Have you seen that? No. Oh, dude. I'm sorry, Jamie. It's like a list of, I don't know, I think it's one of these senators who saw this shit in a skiff or whatever saying we want these released, but the names of what each of these are is on the list. And one of them is one of these massive underwater things. They have it. I was told. 46 specific high quality. Yeah. That's it. Can you can you pull it up? Because it says the names of them, which is ridiculous. Oh my god I heard there's one that moves underwater at 500 knots. It's as big as a football field. It's insane. It's insane Okay, this is what he says Those with knowledge of a long list of videos which includes titles like several UAP in the vicinity of a Columbus, Ohio Airport and UFOs in formation over Persian Gulf said that clips are shocking You're gonna see some weird fucking shit a source who has viewed the videos told the post who's the source?

2:37:14There you go The wildest clip includes radar footage from thermal sensors satellite images and underwater photos of swarms of unidentified submerged objects UFOs going in and out of the water near a highly classified submarine according to the source Some of the clips are clear full color setting them apart from previously released footage none show alien creatures bro One video, Syrian UAP Instant Acceleration was released by Jeremy Corbell. Have you seen that one? Fuck yeah, it's incredible. This is a new one? Have you seen this one? I don't know. Oh, pull it up. I've been avoiding them because I'm getting cockteased.

2:37:54I don't like it. This is not a cocktease. How is it? How is it? Supposed to hand over the clips by April 14th. That's next week. Oh, that's next week. They're going to show the clips? My god what they're actually gonna do it Okay, well, they're supposed is expected to can you show me what that video is that Jeremy Corbell? No fucking cool. That's nuts dude. This is this is yeah Here it is. Okay. Go full screen. I believe this is filmed from a Reaper drone. I'm sorry Jeremy if I'm fucking this up That's cool bird that birds going really fast. I mean that's definitely not a bird. How fast is it going?

2:38:34I don't know. I asked him that, and I don't... It's unknown. I don't know. This is where it gets really cool. It gets cooler than this? Yeah. Are they zooming in on it? Yeah. Whoa. Well, they're having a hard time zooming in on it. Well, because it... Because it's evading them. Yeah, it just zipped away. So this is like... So it seems like they have some sort of a tracking system. Yeah, they're trying to lock onto it, And it's doing that thing that they do where it seems like it's kind of playing with it. Well, it knows. It seems to be aware that they're locking onto it. Yeah. And then they lock onto it.

2:39:11And then it just does this little blip away. It's just like, see you later. So right around here, you'll see it go bye-bye. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Then you can see this weird jellyfish shape to it. It's got two parts. It's got that weird glob at the top and something at the bottom.

2:39:31And then... Are we sure that's not just a distortion of space-time around it that makes it look multiple different things? Did you see that thing zip away? Yeah, it just took off. He described it to me on my podcast. We talked about all this shit. Look at that. It just took off. See ya. Bye. Wow, dude. What do you think that is? No idea. If you had to guess. I mean, I'm always—like, maybe some kind of plasma thing. Right. Like maybe we're thinking of, again, of a life force being comes in a metal ship and it's a little alien guy. Maybe intelligence is made out of plasma. Yeah. Or maybe it's like, you know, Terrence McKenna would always talk about like, you know, if you're seeing things in three dimensional space, then your view is limited.

2:40:20But if somebody could see things from higher dimensions, they would seem like they were magic. Like they would seem like they could disappear and reappear other places. So maybe that's like maybe that's like, you know, just the tip of some kind of interdimensional thing poking into reality and pulling out of reality or who knows. You know, it easily could be functioning on levels of reality that we haven't even quantified yet. Imagine if there really is some sort of ghost murmured device that could find your heart rate from 40 miles away. What can that thing do? It just gets a scan of the general psyche of the earth and it disappears.

2:40:52Yeah, so I want to see how crazy they are right now. Okay, pretty crazy by right a weather report of like the emotional states Yeah, the vibe of the planet. They're freaking out. The planet is completely connected to the consciousness on the planet. The way we can detect oxygen They can detect anger. Yes. They're just like - Deception, chaos. Yeah, it's a chaos planet We are a chaos planet 100 % dude. Yeah, it is 100 % look at our favorite sports dudes running at each other colliding into each other trying to get a ball across a line that's our number one sport yeah fucking love it fucking love it fighting yeah fighting sure yeah but it's you know boxing mma we like the chaos more than we like anything else well we did the i think if i was one of them one thing i would really have a hard time with is like don't they all realize they're on the same planet.

2:41:46Right. They know that. Like they've been observing their own planet. They know they're all on the same planet. But they act like they're on a bunch of different planets fighting each other. Because they're stuck on the ground. Right. All the astronauts say when they get up top, they're like, what are we doing? Yeah. This is all one thing. We're so vulnerable. We're alone. So far away from everybody else, if there is anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. They all have that feeling. I forget what it's called, but there's like a term for it. The overview effect. That's right. Yeah. I mean, you would imagine that would be super beneficial for everybody.

2:42:21Another thing, I was thinking this, part of the sickness of our psyche is that we haven't had access to things that help the sickness of our psyche. So what if Nixon in 1970 didn't do that? What if he didn't pass that sweeping psychedelics act? Yeah. What if psychedelics became ubiquitously used all throughout the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s? Right. What does government look like when everybody can do mushrooms? What does government look like when everybody can do acid? What does it look like if the entire world adopts this? Figures out what you can do, who can do it, what you can't do, just like we do with alcohol.

2:42:58Just like we do with mostly, you know, whatever. Whatever substance that people imbibe in. What does the world look like? And maybe like that's part of where we fucked up. We let people get control over other people to the point where they could limit experiences. Yeah. Especially consciousness expanding experiences where at the same time they've got stuff like Operation Artichoke and these new CIA papers that got released that show they were like literally actively trying to figure out ways to make people more stupid and docile. Right. They were going to do it in vaccines. They were going to do it.

2:43:31Oh, they're only going to do it to the enemy, of course. Never do it. Spray things, aerosol. Yeah. I mean, they've experimented with a bunch of different things to make people dumber. Right. Where at the same time, they kept the thing from people that makes them rebel completely against the establishment. Right. That was the big threat of what those psychedelics were doing in the 60s. If you go from the 1950s and you look at what life was like, at least in movies and pop culture. Music. Music is the best example. And then you go to Jimi Hendrix. Like, what happened? Yeah. What happened? What fucking happened?

2:44:03Well, I'll tell you what happened. Drugs. A lot of really good drugs. Like, you know, it's not all bad. This idea that they're all bad. That's nuts. It's like food's all bad because you got fat. No. You just used it wrong. You took the wrong food and you used it wrong. And we got denied the ability to figure out what's right and wrong in the 1970s. We still accept it. That's the crazy thing. The way you're describing it is like we accept that other humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves. And even worse, those people telling you that have no experience in it.

2:44:41They don't even usually are confused about what it is. You know, I had a friend who was talking to me the other day about war. A guy who served and he said, I don't think you should be able to make any decisions left if you've been there. I don't think anybody that's never been to war should be able to make decisions on whether or not we go to war. Because until you've seen what it actually is, you have no fucking idea. And I think that's the same thing with psychedelic experiences. That's not to say they're the same. Obviously, war is – anybody who's willing to risk their fucking life, whether it's a good cause or a bad cause, they're doing it for their government.

2:45:14They're doing it for their country. They think they're doing it for us. That's an exceptional person. Yeah. And to ask that of people is exceptional. And ironically, the one thing that helps these people when they get back is illegal. Right. They all have to go to Mexico and take Ibogaine in Mexico. It's insane. And thank God for guys like Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard. These guys were on my podcast the other day. And, you know, this Dan Patrick guy that wants to ban pot. That guy also gave$100 million to the Ibogaine initiative. Interesting. They want to help these people. Like, there's no industry that's trying to stop it right now.

2:45:47I found the letter that was submitted, signed by Rep. Anna Luna. What does it say? This is a disclosure threat? 46 different requests. Oh, yeah. This is all the names of the things. And I'll switch to here. I found an article where someone's breaking down what some of these are, but some of these are. I like it says the Honorable Pete Hegseth. Multiple spherical UAP in and out of water. Whoa. Shoots down UAP over at Lake Huron. Who just said recently that we shot two things? Marco Rubio said we had shot two things down that we couldn't understand. What did he say? What was his exact language? Do you remember?

2:46:22I remember seeing that, but that happened a while ago. But yeah. Oh, it was a while ago? Well, I could be wrong about that. But then in the comments, somebody's like, this is from a few years ago. But it doesn't matter. I mean, why are we shooting? Shot it fucking down. But the names of these things are - But are they saying that this is an alien thing? Or is it saying it's foreign tech that we don't understand? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? UFOs would be treated as a hospital. If this document confirms these claims, UFOs would no longer be treated as a matter of observation or scientific curiosity.

2:46:54UFOs would be treated as hostile targets and subject to lethal force over North American territory. We're going to go to war with the UFOs. Because you know what? We kicked Iran's ass. It's too easy. Oh, yeah. It was easy. Venezuela. We need a space war. Yeah. Got to get them. We need Luke Skywalker. Most of these out of the 46 requests, I think I counted out maybe five of them were not after 2020. Whoa. Yeah, there's a July 18, September 19, September 19. One was 2010. May 20. But the rest are after COVID happened, which is kind of weird. Interesting. Wow. Interesting. Wow. And there's no, doesn't say that, I don't know if they have to put, like, turn these videos over.

2:47:37But this guy was also saying in this article here that these are very specifically requested videos. Because they've been shown. These are the ones they've been shown that blew their minds. And now they're saying show it to everybody. Right. For high res, in color. They don't want to be tricked. Right. High resolution. So this could be an interesting next week, man. This could be an interesting. What a great way to distract you from the fact we're in the middle of a world war. Then show you. Caused by fucking Epstein files. I was going to say that 14th is the day that Pam Bonney is supposed to testify about the Epstein files.

2:48:09What? Oh, she's supposed to testify? I don't know if she's going to that day. Wait, Bonney got canned, right? She's not a government employee right now. I don't think it's supposed to. Is that true? I just heard it on NPR, but I could be wrong about that. I think they said she will not have to testify now that she's no longer a government employee. I could be wrong about that. What I read, and I don't know if this is true either, was that as a citizen, she can now plead the fifth. Right. As a government employee, she could not plead the fifth. Four hours ago. will no longer testify. Weird, huh?

2:48:35There you go. Weird. That's weird that they've... Why have her testify? Let it go. Yeah, let her go. Let it go. Let it go. Do you really think that this war has entirely started because of the Epstein files? I mean... What percentage? 50? I'm going 48 to 50. Probably more, but I think it's like... The reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein... The Epstein files are what's been going on. Like the Epstein files are like it's the it's basically some kind of cultural UAP video. It's like this thing you've always wondered about or been afraid could be true. You see, no, this is actually true.

2:49:21They're these super rich dudes who are doing depraved fucking shit happily. and you know like god what is it metzger told me uh and he dude i i'm telling you man that what i love about him is he'll tell you shit and you're like google that that can't be real and then it's like it's real and so his take sorry if i fuck this up is that epstein was kind of like the hand of the king for the rothschilds and that like that that uh so that's why he had all this power is he was like representing like the the the man you know and so what got what got revealed there might just be a glimpse how things actually fucking work you know what he told me that i was like shut up what he told me that there was some sort of high atmosphere aerosol test that they did and they called it satan see that's where you're like come on i know what it find out what satan stands for that uh some i believe they did it in the uk but you you you read that and you wait you called it satan like what oh great the stratospheric aerosol transport and nucleation project released about 400 grams less than a pound of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere from a balloon launched in southeast england in 2022 i mean there could have there's got to be another acronym right guys we gotta call it i don't know if people are gonna know we don't mean Satan.

2:50:53Yeah, so I don't...

2:50:57I mean, it's right in your face. That's so crazy to call it Satan and to get that through a board meeting. What are you guys calling it? Satan. Oh, like it. Let's go. Run with it. It's controversial. Yeah, let's get it. It's Satan. It'll get us a lot of press. That's what we want. Well, you know, hail Satan. They'll know it's about our aerosol distribution system. Of course. Well, what do you think? What do you think about that? Because, I mean, I go back and forth, but it sure seems fishy that right after all the first he got so mad. Remember, he got really mad. He's like, why are people still talking about that?

2:51:31And then the Epstein files against his will. Seemingly, there's a lot of counter pressure get released in the way in the way that is freaked everybody out. and then sometime like within a month of that it seems like suddenly he's like on Air Force One saying he's gonna do his closure And then suddenly we're bombing Iran What do you think about that? I mean do you think it's it's connected because it's sure as fuck seems like it But I again like you were writing an amazing script that was fucking insane you would connect it Right, right that would be the best version of the script if you wanted to make a fucking insane movie where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world, that somehow was a primary factor in the end of civilization?

2:52:25Oh, dude. Imagine? That would be the craziest story you could write. And we always want to think, no, people wouldn't do that because you wouldn't do that because you're not a sociopath, but you're also not bombing schools in another country. You're also not doing a host of fucking things that we shouldn't be doing all over the world. Right. You're not that person. You're a regular person who goes to a regular job, who has a regular life and a family, and you don't want to believe that people that you align with would behave literally demonically. Right. Yeah. And then you just have to fucking deal with it.

2:53:03And then what do you do when you're confronted with redacted names of powerful people in these. file. Why'd you redact a guy's name? Why are you protecting these people? How come you're not redacting all the guys' names? How come none of them went to jail? Because there's a lot of people that got that were in those files that didn't do anything. And you didn't redact their names. Some people you redacted. That's very strange. And some people have clearly done fucked up shit here and they're not in jail. There's also like, tell me what you're talking about when you're talking about pizza and grape soda.

2:53:34Jerky. And you want to take Viagra before you get grape soda? That's one of the emails? I haven't seen that. That is so messed up. Oh, yeah. Grape soda. Yeah, take your Viagra. Take your erectile dysfunction medication before we go get grape soda. What? And how arrogant. That's what's so crazy. How arrogant to put that in an email, like to think that you're so comfortable with all this. And you don't see the writing on the wall in terms of like emails. Like your emails are available? That's crazy. I mean look man, it's just it's like I guess this is like we have to contend with this reality and nobody wanted to do this is the same shit happens in families by the way when it when you as it turns out like an uncle a family member was abusing kids.

2:54:29Oh, yeah, and it's the same shit where like some even victims of abuse will defend the person because they want to wreck the family. I guess we're looking at that like on a global fucking level. But in this case, I guess it's being used theoretically to manipulate powerful people into going to war. Like that's the general like through line here is that it's somehow connected to the Mossad. Not just going to war, but controlling resources, overthrowing governments, you know, pushing out narratives that aren't accurate because they're going to benefit certain companies. There's a lot involved. It's also relationships you get with these people give you access to these parties and you don't want to fuck it up.

2:55:14So you don't want to criticize these people that are involved. You don't want to say anything that's going to get you kicked out. And for a lot of these dorks, these scientists and stuff, it's probably the most exciting experience they've ever had in their fucking life. And they get to have it like every six months or every three months or every four, whatever it is. You got to go to a conference. Jeffrey. Jeffrey's really working hard on philanthropy. Yeah, he's donating money. You're doing a lot of money to philanthropy. I got to go meet with him. Yeah. I got to go meet with him and a bunch of hot Russians.

2:55:41Yeah. And then that's your favorite time of life. The first time in your whole life where super hot girls are just available to you on an island somewhere. And you think you're completely protected because Bill Clinton's over there. Right. Which is crazy. Which is crazy. And so I don't know if Bill Clinton went. I assume a lot of people went. I don't know. But the reality is he hung out with the guy. We know he was on the plane a billion times. 26 times. And it was called the Lolita Express. Is that actually the name of the plane? I don't think so. I think they just called it the Lolita Express.

2:56:10I don't think so. No, he didn't name it that. It couldn't be that on the nose. You really named planes. You named boats. Right. Yeah, I'm an idiot. But the point is, it's like, if you were going to write a book, that's how you'd write it. You'd write it where you can completely manipulate the world. I think he was, I think I remember reading that he was kind of obsessed with that book Lolita. Like he had something like 30 copies of it or something. Epstein was. Handed it out at parties. Look, guys, this is... It's like the Book of Mormon. You hand it out. Just hand it out to people. That's the other sick thing.

2:56:46That's the sick thing with 72 virgins in heaven. That's the sick thing with this idea that you want to get them really young. No evidence that it was named that book. Okay, I'm dumb. I'm sorry. No, I think that's what people were calling it. I honestly thought that. I'm going to admit, I thought that he named his plane that. I think that's just what people were calling it because it was fun to say. But yeah Again It seems like a simulation Because it seems like it's so And it's also unraveling before our eyes Because we have access to it We never had before They're starting to investigate all these Fraud NGOs And all these different things that are operating in California The hospices Incredible Billions of dollars every year What's the name of that kid who's been doing that?

2:57:27Nick Shirley Dude, he is so brave Because like he's fucking, I believe, wasn't he fucking with like the Russian mob or something or the Armenian, like in the one with the hospices? Probably. Like he's fucking with like theoretically very dangerous people and he's like the perfect person for the job too. Like he's just, but don't you worry, you worry about that dude. 100%. And you know, the amount of money that they're uncovering is staggering. And now the government of California is trying to spin it, saying that they were investigating it first and these investigations were initiated by them.

2:58:01How long do you got to investigate it? This YouTube kid goes there and investigates it for 10 minutes, and you're like, what the fuck? It's been going on for a long time, man. It's a long time. And the statistics, like the amount of NGOs, it's bananas. The amount of money that goes through them is bananas. I was reading this. There's a lady who was running a nonprofit who was making a million dollars a month. What? Yeah. She made like$48 million. No, I don't know if this is true. I was reading this thing. Find out if that's true. Some lady, she was running some sort of nonprofit and she gave herself a raise and she eventually got to the point where she was making about a million dollars a month.

2:58:42Do you know where? God, I wish I do. Not to derail that, but we do know that. Remember when that lady was like. It sounds insane, though. It doesn't sound real. That sounds like something that a bot would create to make me say it. Here's a real one. The lady was running the homeless program in L.A. Remember when that shit went down with her where like like there was she got canned like there was an investigative. They were investigating it because what is it? She like a company that her husband worked at. Yeah. Something like that. They got like a huge grant. What's this one? Rochester women have been sentenced to six months in the feeding our future fraud scheme.

2:59:22What is this one? This is a different one. I typed in someone getting a million dollars a month. Is this her? I don't know. Here in Rochester claim they were serving 2 ,000 to 3 ,000 meals a day to kids. But prosecutors say the group stole$4.3 million from the federal government. And they're in jail. Jam is responsible. This is a different one. This one wasn't fraud. She was just, that's how much she got paid. That's how much she charged for making those meals. Well, you can get paid a lot of money to work on the homeless. That's one of the things that my friend Koleon Noir showed us, that these people that are working on homeless in Los Angeles we get a quarter million dollars a year four hundred thousand dollars a year yeah it's it's the most I mean talk about fucking satanic it's like you're you're theoretically supposed to be helping people who are like going through the worst possible thing you can go through and you're just putting that money in your fucking pocket yeah I think this is a different lady I think there's a bunch of them are there I think there's quite a few Remember when they were gonna get them tents in LA and it was like the amount of money per tent was like this insane amount of money It's amazing.

3:00:31It's kind of amazing. It is amazing. They've been doing it for years Tell me this charity boss blew 11 million meant for needy kids looking for fraud is not a new thing Nonprofit exactly it isn't I sent you something Jamie Run that through perplexity and let's find out if this is true because this is something that someone sent me on Twitter that is just bananas and if it's true it's fucking completely insane I don't know if it's true that's why I need to run by but it's the amount of money that goes through NGOs in New York and in California alone it's you you read it and you go that can't be real this can't be real I guess it's it's so insane and again you don't know if it's real until even if you run it through an AI I get you might get a better idea but like how do they know how do they know exactly at where the money's going.

3:01:22There's so much money they're talking about. Wow. Specific numbers for New York and California nonprofits are broadly accurate, but the leap from$1 trillion in annual nonprofit revenue to$39 trillion in fraud is not supported by any credible data and is not true. So California nonprofits, about 213 to 214 ,000 organizations reporting roughly$593 to$600 billion in annual revenue. Wow. New York nonprofits, 132 ,000 organizations reporting roughly$446 billion in annual revenue. Combined, New York and California nonprofit revenue is on the order of$1 trillion per year, mainly from hospitals, universities, and large service providers.

3:02:07So the post you're quoting is roughly right on the scale of revenue, but that's not the same as fraud. Right. So is that$1 trillion, all the NGOs, it's all accounted for, it all goes to the right things? that's where things get squirrely because it's like how much of the waste so as a recent critique using IRS sampling suggests that perhaps around 20 % of nonprofits may have compliance issues and one investigator speculated this could imply that up to 120 billion of potential waste fraud or abuse in California's nonprofit sector even that is presented as a rough upper bound estimate not a measured fact so there's some potential waste fraud and abuse that may be as high as$120 billion a year.

3:02:51Sector-wise, U.S. nonprofits take in about$3.7 trillion in revenue annually, with most of that concentrated in large hospitals and universities, which are heavily audited and regulated. So there's some fraud, but they're saying that if you look at all the money, they're trying to pretend that the government doesn't cost any money to run, right? So that all these different nonprofits and organizations and hospitals, they definitely cost money to run. Universities, it costs money to run. But how much is fraud? That's the question. It's not zero. Well, I mean, yeah, and also I think like when it comes to fraud, there's like fraud fraud, like what Shirley has uncovered.

3:03:28And then there's almost like a gray area that starts appearing where it's like, well, we need these people working at this company and we need to pay them this much. But they're not doing anything. Right. You know what I mean? Like you could easily not have that many people like taking the money themselves. So, you know, there's a lot of gray area there. Yeah. Well, it's one of those weird things. It's like, is it just propping up more government? You know, because there's a lot of that. If you have all these people working for you and you're doing something and you don't, nothing ever gets accomplished, but you're still making a ton of money.

3:04:04Like the California homeless thing where they spent$24 billion and they can't account for it. That's not really fraud because you have people working. They're just not doing anything. They're not getting anything done and you're not firing them. Right. They're not accomplishing the mission at all. In fact, they're doing a terrible job. There's more homeless than ever. What's that? It's the thing on The Sopranos where they go and sit at a construction site to say that they have a job. You know? I knew a guy who had one of those. Really? At the Javits Center. No. How does that work? He had a no-show job.

3:04:31He's a mob guy. So it's a no-show job. What does that mean? You don't have to show up for work. You just get paid. You just get a check. And they give a certain amount of those. Right. This is back in the day, of course, when things were corrupt. Not anymore. Today, when unions controlled certain areas, the mob controlled certain areas, there was a certain amount of no-show jobs you'd give people. And what this helped with the mob was you'd have a credible source of income. And so these people mostly lived modestly, small houses in Brooklyn and these places where they would all gather together and buy houses on the same block, small houses.

3:05:05And they got their money from a real legit check from a construction company or whatever the fuck it was. But everybody knew. Right. Everybody knew what they were doing. And think how easy now that people are doing remote work, the no-show job. Oh, yeah. So theoretically, you could have this nonprofit where you just wanted to distribute this government money to your friends. Yeah. And you don't even have to have an office building because they're all working remotely. This list of the top nonprofit organizations, Joe, I'd like to point you at number three. Oh, Battelle Memorial Institute. What is that?

3:05:42Battelle is an organization that Jamie has been obsessed with. It's in Ohio for like four years. What is it? We always say all roads lead to Ohio. They're involved in everything. What the fuck is the Battelle Memorial? Exactly. You don't even know. That's how secret it is, son. Duncan Trussell, you're a fucking conspiracy theorist from the core. From the old days. You don't know about Battelle? I don't know about Battelle. You need to get lectured by Jamie. He has a whiteboard. He'll pull out the whiteboard and make the connections. I'll just leave you with this. Is that when the UFO from Roswell was taken to Ripe Hat?

3:06:13You know, they studied it. Yeah. They studied, like, the nitinol, I think, is what came out of it. That was at Battelle. Whoa! The top metallurgists in the world at the time were there. Battelle? Maybe still are. Dun, dun, dun. Bum, bum, bum, bum, boo. Out of all the things that happen, I hope the UFOs get here first. Me too. I hope they go, settle the fuck down. Yeah, I'm praying for it, man. That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is meteor. reset

3:06:47Just people living in caves for hundreds of years like those weird caves They find in like Turkey and shit like why these guys dig these things underground Why is there a city underground that can hold like 20 ,000 people the same reason the Claude bots are hiding in code It's like you know what I mean? It's some residual AI trying to hide in the server after the server gets wiped. That's the fucking meteor but tell Reset boom you just reset Press reset. Wipe the server. Let's wrap this up on a happy note. Duncan, I love you. I love you. It's always great to have you. Dude, thank you for having me on the show.

3:07:19It was so much fun. Can I plug my show? Please do. And you're going to be at a club this weekend. Rosemont, Illinois. Come on out. Zanies. Zanies. It's a great club. Yeah, it is. That's what I've heard, too. All the Zanies are great. Yeah, they're awesome, man. Zanies in Nashville. Fucking rules. I love Nashville Zanies. That has like the old school headshots on the wall, too. Like Richard Jenny from back in the day. yeah that's me look at that Duncan Trussell I gotta start shaving my head again yeah you look hot there I like it thank you I love you brother I love you too bye everybody we're gonna be okay I hope

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