#2498 - Brendan Schaub

25:50Most of them score it for Strickland So you always got a I take it with a little bit of grain of salt when those guys heavy wrestlers if there's wrestling But they weren't successful like take-downs were successful. They're like that's a take-down like but he didn't do shit with it though There's also the Strickland factor There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way boom and they don't want him to win because the wild shit that he says offstage Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far But goddamn did he sell some tickets? I like what you said.

26:22They said don't apologize. You're selling a fight Yeah, that's my thing too. It's like whoa. No, no don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that because on Monday, I was so excited to get in the studio. I was so excited. I felt like, for the first time in a long time, the UFC's back. I felt back, man. You really think the UFC's gone away? No, no. No, I'm not saying that. What do you mean by that? Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as, like, Conor Khabib, like, bad blood. Big time. Couldn't wait. Right. Like, I, dude, I was tech, day before I'm tech, dude, I can't fucking wait. It was like I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude.

26:59It just felt like, you know, those Conor Day, Khabib days, those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it, and I usually can tell when a fight's going to be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields. And dads will come and be like, dude, do you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting? I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can be fucking big, dude. It was huge. And it was huge because of the way Sean sold it. 100%. Not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure, but it was the way he sold it. The chaos. People love it. They love that, and especially casuals.

27:35They love the chaos. I love it, too. It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes things fun. And then people get so mad, some stuff he says, but it's like there's a lane for that. I hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a good person. he has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that which is fine but remember too people go UFC doesn't have stars and then you get a kid like Strickland who's billing his name he's going to be the most watched fight one of the third most watched weigh-ins of all time so he's trying to be a star so you guys are complaining there's no stars and when he's doing the damn thing you guys are hating on him so it's like pick your poison well they're hating by the way he's doing it that he's making things super personal But this is what Conor did.

28:24I mean, that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line many times with Khabib. Oh, buddy. The line's here. Conor was all the way over. And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dilly Dan. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it framed in my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage about the fucking. But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker ended, he was like, now it's time to get to work.

28:56Yeah! Dude! That is a crazy photo. Take my motherfucking word. World champion just got done stopping Conor McGregor, and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname. And super humble. He's the eagle. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out for his face. I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping when Bisping was down? That's like his logo? That should be Khabib's logo. 100%. With like rings on it, like a flying logo? Like he's a fucking animal. Dude, that was mayhem. God, I love that guy.

29:30I love him. Oh, you know, we appreciated him while he was here, but maybe not enough. But with Hamzat, too, I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. Defending the middleweight title, you have this wild boy talking so much shit. So I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue. because remember when I went to his camp, I called you. I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking, I'm talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them.

30:14I was like, oh my God. So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octagon. Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. Yes and no. 100 % dude, he cut 22 kilos. Listen to me, he got 40-something pounds. They were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri Prohaska. At 205. Right. So he starts bulking up. And he's eating like a fucking animal. And he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit. He said he was 230, I think. He was above that. Yeah. Yeah. He was somewhere north of 230. And so then he's 230, whatever.

30:49And so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away. Yeah. Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I heard his horror was here. His brother today was like, yes, we thought his body was going to shut down. Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back. And he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is, what is that? Was that like five pounds? No. No, I mean two pounds. Two and a half pounds, right? Two and a half.

31:23What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So somewhere around. He was 230. That's a lot though. That's a lot of weight. If you're already dying, you got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's a nightmare. Two 16-ounce bottles of water. But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know? I don't know. Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months. It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, There's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly.

32:04He's heavy and he makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves. So you have to fucking starve yourself. or you do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death. And it seems like that's what he did. Probably a factor. Giant factor, dude.

32:39It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights, it's not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys, carting through the window. Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control. But no attempt to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. It could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. He's always going after you in the final round.

33:14The final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, Come on! Let's fucking go. He gets better as the fight goes on. Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. He got dropped, too. Super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first. I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? Yep. 15, 20 left hands in a row? I mean, let's count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang.

33:49If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed. You compromised. Probably you have a concussion. Yes. Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand? It was a right hand, yeah, and it spun around. Picture-perfect right hand. Picture-perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture-perfect. And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand. And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself. You're gone. I think my thing with Hamzat, too, is after, again, you could chalk it up to the weight cut.

34:25That second round, when he doesn't land that takedown and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shutting down, and he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy. And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round. Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big deal. Like he tries for a takedown, can't get it. He realized like, oh, Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round.

34:56Because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago. It is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You pretend. Oh, it's a 185-pound fight. The fuck it is. Yeah, both those boys are over 200. 100%. Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him. Strickland's a big boy. Strickland in the cage is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Hamzat is killing himself. Well, what did Hamzat say to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage? He goes, I'm done fighting here.

35:33I'm going to 205. But apparently now all he's talking about is a rematch. It's back on. It's back on. So what he's got to do is he has got to limit his calorie intake, and he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you would have to talk to someone who's an expert at that, but my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down to like 160 pounds, and the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way, and he looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired all the time, but it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight.

36:15But that is slow running for days. Correct. That's a different thing. We can't do that. Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. and we think these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%. Not a hundo. Not a 100%. That's why I'm excited for him at 205. A lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them.

36:56If the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100 % Hamzak, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100 % Hamzak could be a lot better than 70%. That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%. He's going to talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's going to get crazy. You've got to fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight. Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland, Hamzat, 205. No, no. Oh, that's what I thought you were saying. No, no. Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and dominate.

37:29No. Hamzat, he's going to do that rematch, and then that's it. He's a 205-er. Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic when he can still perform. But he has to figure that out. He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I had heard, that he was north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that, and he's got to do mad cardio. Just cardio. Like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio. I'm a big proponent of do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport.

38:11I see it across the board. I get a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamzat hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top-level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No. Why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the Octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints.

38:47I'd rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I see it at the lower level, too, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder fucking who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs, dude. Catch footballs if you want to get better at football. A hundred percent. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose? Yes, but not close to the fight. Interesting. Because usually what we would do is, like, let's say you have an eight-week camp.

39:22Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get to camp, the focus was the cardio was getting it in in your training. You know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked about this. He's pretty good. Pretty fucking good. How good did he look against Alal? Dude. Best back control in the game. And I don't, why is he so underrated? I don't get it. Why he doesn't get his dues? It's the loss of pure yarn. It's fucking crazy. He's so good. The victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on him from then on out. Think I'll get it against Ivalov.

39:57I know. He's amazing. That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won. Yeah. Yeah, he could have easily won that fight. That motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. But he said that Marab does the same thing. Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive. Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four-minute mile or something, but as far as what we do. Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. Exactly. He's not getting punched in the face. People should just go to Marab's camp and be like, what are you doing?

40:25He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling. He does run. He does run and he does lift some weights every now and then. But he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he did say was that when he did that, because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was overtrained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp. It's tough to recover. You're doing all the other stuff, too. You're still boxing. You're still kickboxing.

40:57You have to. You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because, you know, the Marv Marinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever. But they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics. And it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff is doing. Because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this stuff. Because that's what Sam Calavita came from. Correct. Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine.

41:34He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks. Right? Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't, when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't. Kim and his brother. Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined. Yeah. He's phenomenally talented. Freak. Freak. And one of the things, won the world, the Mundials, at three years in to jiu-jitsu as a black belt. Like, nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example. You know what I'm saying?

42:07It's like, yeah. Right. But what he, the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Yeah. Right? Like, Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see, like, oh, my God, he is so talented. Like what he does is like no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that. Showing stuff is hard work. Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them, and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up.

42:40They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners and you're exhausted and when you're doing that, hell, they don't like that. No. So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up. Spot on. Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade. Yep. Because that guy got there and threw a different path. I mean, George, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever and didn't even come from a wrestling background.

43:17I mean, George is one of the all-time greats. there's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think like that guy's a freak athlete there's never been anybody like him like that no far from it to your point far from because I trained with George forever and when we did they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL like sprints and vertical and the the agility drills like nothing nothing crazy no but BJ was BJ was crazy BJ's crazy BJ could do stuff where you're like how the fuck can you do that BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy. BJ has insane flexibility. The way he moves his legs, his balance is nuts.

43:57There's a video of someone trying to take him down, and they have a single, and they are driving across the cage. And he's on one leg. And he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down. But to your point, BJ's that talented, John's another one. Yep. Where it's like. Right, right. Right. Exact, exact. Perfect. They're so fucking talented. So fucking talented. And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win. And John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Yeah. Right? Like the Gustafson fight.

44:33First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like, he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in the gym. And then has a five round war. And pulls it out in the final two rounds. Pulls it out. It's crazy. Crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafson. Like, oh my God, Gustafson might be the man. And Jon pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and Jon trains hard. Fuck him up. And Jon fucks him up. I mean, fucks him up in a way like, this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you get.

45:10This is how it goes. You get a fucking beating. And this is the dance of who's the greatest of all time. And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time. Because John was all those things. Super talented. And when push came to shove and he had to get back into work and get to gear. He would do it. He would do it. And he would pull it off against DC. He would pull it off. The Stipe fight was, I think that was not Stipe. That was an old. No, that's when you talk about his resume. You're like, all right. Stipe is the Stipe that ran through the heavyweight division.

45:49The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabrizio Verdun for the title. Beat Francis. When Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do. Oh, that changed him forever, I think. Because DC knocks him out right after that. And it wasn't the biggest punch in the world. No. It was a big punch. But, I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis. Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all time. It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck, it's wild. Phenomenal resume. Youngest ever UFC champion. Crazy. But as far as like— Other than Josh Barnett, did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

46:26No, I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. So Josh Barnett was the youngest heavyweight. And Joshua Vann's second now. Right, so Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at, what, 24? Yep, and those boys were— Didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids? That is crazy It's like when WWE guys get busted You're like oh come on Like bitch you ain't testing everybody You just don't like Josh It's a way to get him out I love Josh It's a way to get him out But back to John It's like you look at his resume Greatest to ever do it Yeah Beat the very best in Murderer's Row Murderer's Row Yeah Now you know it's not even comparable to today's Light heavyweight and heavyweight But then You don't think so?

47:06No Well listen Not even close Especially at heavyweight When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex is the light heavyweight champion. The Alex that beat Magomedov. The Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska. The Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill. Like that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane. Oh, man. Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like Jon's wrestling was on a totally different level. His reach, his IQ. His IQ. The wrestling would be tough, Ralph. What could he do to Sheryl Ghan? Crazy.

47:38I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book. Bullied him. Bullied him. Got all of his neck and like, I'll take that. But, dude, if you go back and look at John, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, one through fucking 15, good luck. That's true. Especially heavyweight. True. Good fucking luck. But at light heavyweight, okay, so. Not a lot of those guys are ranked in the top ten. How do you think Uri, well, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson? Very tough fight for him. You think so? Gustafson in his prime? Yeah, I think so.

48:13Yeah And do you think that based on the to share a fight because he pieced up Glover remember that fight? Yeah That was a video game combination knocked out at do share Alex is one of those guys similar DC that when John just reigned as Champ it's like if if Alex was born at a different time maybe five years before five years after he's our John Jones He was so fucking talented Huge. 6 '6", 6 '7", great wrestling, great world-class boxing, good at everything, dude. Great cardio. Just in the division with the GOAT. You're fucked. You're fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex at the same time.

48:48John and his parents did, and you're fucked. Look at what happened with Ilya Teporia. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he has blasted all of them into orbit. All three of them. first guy ever to stop Max it's like if you're in that guy's division what are you going to do? Especially at 45 I don't know what it's going to be like at 55 obviously the Oliveira fight was a one punch knockout That was such a bad knockout Crazy knockout but when you see him and Justin next to each other you're like whoa Justin is quite a bit bigger Justin Big Cat He's quite a bit bigger That's a tough fight It's a different fight than Oliveira It's different But fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max.

49:37You're like, good Lord. Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man. He looked phenomenal. And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is, like, the 55 division, no one's in the prime. Like, Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime. Right. And the issue is Ilya's just getting to his prime. Just getting to his prime and already one of the greatest of all time. He's a fucking problem. Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so completely focused and dialed in.

50:15Grated everything. Grated everything. Grated everything. And the crazy thing is didn't even start as a striker. Crazy. Started as a grappler. Crazy. Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sarukin. That's the motherfucking fight. 100%. Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzat, he's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit but with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that hot gun, weight cut 100%, clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. RAF, take a page out of fucking Sorokin's book.

50:49Just wrestle all the—Sorokin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. I know. Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up. But he's active. He's staying active staying in shape competing and the UFC's going yeah, go ahead and do it Yeah, for Hamzat yeah, dude cuz he fights once a fucking year, which is not good dude, right? So it's like stay active over there stay active like like our Masruchin's doing well your weight down Yeah, I don't know if he's interested in doing that I signed with him Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was gonna he was gonna wrestle somebody who was it?

51:22Do you remember I think they want to toss him like an Olympian which I which is it? That's where it gets dicey. Yeah, here's my fear There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jujitsu. Have you seen that? No. Get the fuck out of my face. It was weird. Yeah, I know. So Glace and Tebow was fighting. I apologize. I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down, and the guy catches, you know, he's trying to avoid the takedown. He catches his knee in a weird way, and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody.

51:57Wrestling's a little safer, though. I don't know about that because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down. Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers. You know, like RAF, it's top-tier shit. Oh, yeah, no doubt. And it's so good. No doubt. It's so good. But wrestlers blow their knees out all the time. True. It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you. But it's kind of what you sign up for. So for a time slot, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year and then you have weight issues. And clearly there seems to be a mental block and you getting finishes because your cardio.

52:30Let's do RAF Let's get this rolling keeps your weight down keeps you active also keeps you in the limelight like Armin has blown the fuck up dude. True. He's a massive star now true Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to it's a great point in a republic That's a great dorks like us Dorks like a fucking point. We are some riding his nuts He beat Giorgio twice That's such a good point. Was it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts? Nuts. Uriah Faber threw over the fucking thing? That was crazy. Crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt Uriah?

53:06He's a bit of a main head. Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah. He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich. Dude, he's so rich? Like, literally wealthy. Do you see him on that stream? They go, so, like, if you wanted to, like, buy a car, like,$500 ,000 car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad. Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not savage lazy at all. No, he's like he Flies in the face of this like long-standing belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family You can't be a great fighter. He's Batman. It doesn't matter if he came you come from the ghetto He's gonna fuck you up.

53:41He does not give a fuck like you some fucking dudes like I'm from the favelas You know I did like good luck cool, man. Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath And he's pulling up in a Maybach. Yeah. Fucking caviar. He gets this shit out of you. He pulls into L.A. I watch his YouTube videos. Yeah. You know, shows him training and all the different stuff he does. When he lands in L.A., he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab. Bro. Like, he's fucking. It's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy.

54:11Good luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich. He's like a Greek god, can wrestle like a fucking elite top-tier wrestler, and he can strike, and he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever happened to him. You think so? Yeah, because look how much—because we were fucking darts, and we knew who he was. But the general—especially online, his profile's so big now. I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I think, yeah. But those dorks, the equal sponsorship, money.

54:47Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to. He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. It's nuts. He has no reason to be upset. Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians, look at the fuck. Shut the fuck up, man. Great body. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous. Great body. That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get ripped.

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55:59Literally all you need to do is answer a few questions and BetterHelp will take care of the rest. They'll come up with a list of recommended therapists that match what you need, and with over 10 years of experience, they typically get it right the first time. So you don't have to be on this journey alone. Find support and have someone with you in therapy sign up and get 10 % off at betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. That's better, H-E-L-P, dot com slash J-R-E. But it's like he's the compelling matchup for Ilya if Ilya gets past Justin. If Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the greatest upsets of all time, it is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time.

56:45Like if he all through what he's been through, wins the interim title, wins the BMF title. If he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude. Way to go out. Brother, if he beats Ilya Tupur at UFC Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA UFC. Yeah. Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is, imagine the headlines, dude. Yes. And if he beats that guy in his prime, who's knocking everyone into the shadow realm, he says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry, it has to be you. Has a celebration party the night before the fight?

57:27At a party. At a party. Was he drinking wine and shit? No, he wasn't. Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. No, I think it was water. No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. And imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude. Just checks all boxes. Checks all the boxes. It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin. I love both of them. But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. At that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't know what the fuck's going on. It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off.

58:00Yeah. If Justin pulls it off, it'll be one of the greatest upsets of all time. One of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire, Teporia plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House. Of course he's going to celebrate. Whatever he's doing. That's his move. Whatever he does. He's doing it again. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt. We're going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. That's a mind fucking half when you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting.

58:32And you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing. That's how sure he is. He's going to beat the fuck out of you. He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Yeah. Did you see when all the fighters are at the White House? Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. Yeah. You're like, oh, fuck. Why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah. Well, for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really going to be his last fight, that is the last fight. And it's smart. It's smart.

59:05Because that Patty fight is, you know, entertaining fight for the casuals. But as far as technical-wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do. Which he should do. He just wanted to just go, fuck you, and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind and just almost fight like he did back in the PFL days. World Series of Fighting Days. That's what it was. Right. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly what he should have done. And then for Patty, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done.

59:35But you can tell, like, and it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen, it catches up with you. 100%. It has to. And now here's Ilya Teporia. But, again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest, upset we've ever seen at the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube. And it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training. And Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog.

1:00:11We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Nama Yunus when she beat Ioana Jojicek. Like when she beat Yong Wei Li, same thing. Like they love being the underdog in those situations. Like stopping Wei Li was nuts. Crazy. You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her. Yep. Crazy. And that. This is a little different, but I hear you. It is different. It's different. But it is, it's similar in ways that Yong Wei Li is. Because Yong Wei Li is fucking everybody up. Scary. There's no one like her. The physicality of her at strawweight, she was a fucking monster. Her training was bananas.

1:00:49Crazy. I'd watch her training. I'd go, good Lord. Who's going to beat her? Her shoulders and shit. But the way she trains, she trains like a dude. Yeah. Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? That's the haircut to show. And it's not a knock on the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like she's trying to kill somebody. She probably is, Joe. She might be. It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles. Did you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man. I took my husband's vitamins and just had B-steroids.

1:01:29Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. He fucked up. Is he an active fighter? I don't think so. Is he? No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess this works. I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck? He's like, what the fuck? Now we're both fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. But back to Whaley and Rose, the difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there. Yes, 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblitt fight.

1:02:03He looked like he was just being an animal. And Pimblitt's fucking good, man. You see what Pimblitt did to Bobby Green? and granted Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. He looked good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the damn thing. But also that style is so fun. Talking shit, pointing at you. He's fun, man. So fun. He's one of my faves. So fun. How about at the end of the fight when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me. And he takes me over to Danny's. Yo, Dana. Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus. He was just talking about how he's one of the most exciting fighters that's ever done it.

1:02:36He's awesome. I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, well, I didn't get my fucking bonus. Yeah, but I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, well, we do it also your strength of your opponent. Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in his last fight and stopped him. Badass fight. He should have got a bonus. He should have got for that one. That's what he was talking about. Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight, great fighter, but, you know, compared to like the other guys on the card. Yeah, it's different. That's why Dana's like, well, strength of opponent, too.

1:03:09He was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell Huber fight? He got 25K, right? Because he finished him. If you get a finish, no matter what. But he wanted the big boy bonus. The big boy bonus. Yeah. I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's awkward. Look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. This is a$7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. man, I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out.

1:03:43The shareholders would have me fired. I wouldn't. I'd run that bitch like affliction. Yeah, you don't want that. You don't want me running the UFC because I treat it like I was a communist. Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it too because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with$7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here. But then if you talk to somebody in the know they're like, oh, do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bad. My bad. Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made$67 million last year.

1:04:15He worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that was from the UFC, from TKO. Right? That was his payout. And he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. But is he the reason they sold for$7.7 billion? He's a big part of it. Probably a big part. 100%. And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for$2 billion. which was a big deal. The whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing.

1:04:57You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for there's it without the fighters. There is no UFC It doesn't exist. It is the entire product the the thing you're selling is entirely fighters and it's fighters that Operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have and and when they get out You know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say You see like ticks that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems.

1:05:36It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and the consequence is their health and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people The amount of money that is left over for the other people The people that are making the money that put the money in they should still get a lot of money Which is why they did it in the first place, but I don't think the balance is correct Now I am biased right because again, i'm not a businessman But I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love.

1:06:31And I think they should be compensated more. Yeah, I don't think you're – I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not even about being biased. It's just – Fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace. Well, the thing is – It's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk and I get sick of it too, because I don't know what you can really do because I go, is it though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they made 7.7 billion. Here's, here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on, but it's like, if the UFC is the only, the only sports combat sports promotion to ever, make money ever right nobody else has ever done it better or made profit so my thing is like is this is this what it is this just what it is and i know some people like you're such an idiot they have this leftover money i hear you but i'm saying is there's pfl bellator affliction world series we can go through the list one championship none of them are around someone like their last leg no one's ever been able to sustain it and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money all I'm saying is is this just how it goes in the fight business I don't know I'm not a businessman I know people are yelling right now you're fucking it I'm just saying is fighting different where hey man that's just it's not the NFL it's not the NBA it's not MLB in order for us to continue this rise this is what it is it's 18 % to the fighters I I don't know Joe.

1:08:14Okay. Well, that's what I'm saying I don't good points first of all Let's just give the UFC its flowers because without I love the kids say that these days give it give flowers Yeah, good saying have your daughter started using buns yet. Oh, yeah, they use that. Yeah, I just found it My bad buns is bad. Yeah, I didn't know I got to track my son's I think it's buns. I'm like, is that good? What's that? Yeah, I know but buns are always like cute buns. Yeah, I know Yeah, we're young Jamie Jamie, but what were you saying? The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history period. There's nothing even close the product is so much better than any boxing promotion And my friends that I've brought to the UFC that are boxing fans like my friend Josh Dubin He was like the fucking productions Incredible he goes it's so much more exciting than any boxing event.

1:09:03It's so much better. That is 100 % true They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa. Now Zufa is sold to Ari Emanuel, TKO. But the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation with you. Yeah, it's still Anik. It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and, you know, Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Senko.

1:09:45It's still the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go and say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down. Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. Everything is on point. It's so easy. And it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano's always on the case when it comes to getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for...

1:10:23Replays. If I ask for something, I got it right away. Like I'll push the button. Let me hear his corner. Yeah. It's boom. They're right on it. They're the best. High level. They're the best. The best. And you notice that when you see other promotions. It's like the other promotions the camera works on is good. It's like things are good. The machine is so good. And it's become like the NFL. Like I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game. Name one player. No one's even brought up a game that's going to happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never.

1:10:54And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL. Far cry from the UFC, but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That cat that just knocked out Hennep Farrar, the guy who's the heavyweight that is Fedor's protege. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Russian cat. Bro. He's good. Bro. He's good. In the UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that cat. We could use him. I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase for all the money. Like, let's go, dog. Yeah, my thing with the UFC, and when you talk about the staff, and you've got to give them their flowers.

1:11:30They're the only one that's figured it out. They're the best. By far the best. It's the best organization by far. And they deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters, though. I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now, this is my position with my comedy club. So my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be. But let me ask you this, Joe. And if it's too much we're like dude get the fuck out of it, but is your is the mothership compared to The comedy store the improv are you guys crushing them?

1:12:08It's doing really well I mean the comic store is always gonna be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club It's dependent upon who's there the difference between the way the comedy store does it and the way we do it Is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend like the weekend? It might be David tell yeah This week is Tony rock is there another club that does that is there Because the comic store is a little different because you have your regulars. Is there another club that does that? Sure. Most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays.

1:12:36Yeah, I don't. So the weekdays, we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe. Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup. That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be – but my whole point is, however you run your business, it's like is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business? 100%. It makes money. If we take Joe Rogan out of it and some dude want to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable? No. You have to have the talent, but that's the difference.

1:13:07It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent, right? And the reason why our club works is because everything – look, it's pure luck. It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had to hit every green light. COVID had to happen. The comedy store had to get shut down. all the employees from the comedy store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in L.A. I had to be worried about my family and the crime and the riots. And then the COVID shit, where everyone was wearing a mask, I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.

1:13:44But you've got to give yourself credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that. That is true. But it's all a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money. So it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place, so I had all this money. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world so I could easily get people to come. Because of you, Joe? I understand, but it had to line. And you're humble?

1:14:13No, no, no. I'm just being honest. It had a lineup. So I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here and Ron White was already here so Ron White's a big reason one of the club I mean he's one of the main reasons why I moved now I know because I was like yeah even if I never do comedy again and I was really wondering if we're ever going to do comedy again Ron's here I'll hang out with Ron we'll have laughs yeah so when I moved here and then all sudden Tony moved here and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved here and Hassan moved here and Brian and Derek Poston moved here and it was like oh shit we got something cooking and then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like oh my god and then Duncan Trussell moved here I was like holy shit well they're moving because you're here I understand but they had to do it before the mothership even opened take a shot they all moved before the mothership opened Shane moved after the mothership opened but they all came in early and trusted me yes and so I was like okay these guys I owe them whatever they took a chance with their future I have to throw everything into this and all together we'll do it yeah so it's our club it's really our club but it had to happen in a way where i had this disposable money i had disposable income where i could do it and it wouldn't hurt me yeah and then i could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money so that way you encourage people to stay so there's so many people that are there all week long during the week they don't have to go do shows other places they can make money at their home club.

1:15:43You're doing it right. I guess my example, can the UFC do that? Because my example for you is can these other comedy clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money and profit? They could in New York and they might be able to do it in LA. So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the store is open. And the store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. It's on Sunset Strip. Even though LA's falling apart, it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to LA. It was Mecca. It was when I was a Beginner and an open miker in 1988 They would talk about the store like it was Mecca like you had to go to the store They still do though.

1:16:22I don't think that's ever gone away. Of course, it's you know The store comes in goes in cycles like it always does it always goes in cycles depending on who's in town Who's there? It's a very it's all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays And if you don't bring in talent on the weekends That's the difference like so the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does I told Scott Scott Shore. I was like I think no no it was Peter. Sorry. I told Peter Shore I was like I think you guys should do that I think you should like but do they have ring in because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see you know Yes, big name you will but big names But you could have those people there still as well Like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms And that's what you guys have the OR and you have the belly room.

1:17:10You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room. But the thing is, it's like you have to have enough talent in town. And a lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot of people moved out of L.A. Joey Diaz moved out of L.A. Like a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there, and then you would have to have talent that was there all the time, like us.

1:17:46Like, we're at the club all the time. I think, and going back to if the UFC could do this, like, they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to. I understand. That's the other issue. This is the problem. Do you want to hear my idea, though? This is rational. You want to hear my idea? Yeah. And you might be like, you're out of your fucking mind. Okay. And again, I'm not anti-UF nothing. You cut my fucking wrist right now. Bob O 'Reilly spills out. I fucking bleed the UFC. It made my entire career. When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is, and this is the issue why things will never change, I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, we're not fighting another fight.

1:18:27They just signed a huge deal, 7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card, unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure out 30%. So it's 18 % right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still going to have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight. But there's no deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now, so you missed the mark. Now you're going to say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. And I'm saying across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not going to fucking move an inch. If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work.

1:19:04That's the problem. It'll never happen. Not in a million years. That was my idea. Then here's the other thought. Rally the troops. Dana White has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. Oh, that's the other. Armand Saroukian. And he's right. Yeah. And he's right. Well, there's Armand, who's Bruce Wayne. But for the most part, he's right. Go through anybody's career. He's kind of right. He's kind of right. But it doesn't matter. Look at Conner. That's on them. Yeah, agree. That's on them. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire.

1:19:40And they're not going to do that. But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this. It might have been McManier. One of them was like, the other issue we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights. We're not getting the fights we want to make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. It's a nightmare. I know. But again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there's some guys who will do it. And you fuck with them. But it's not a reason not to pay him listen, it's all this is Hippie talk, but I feel like if I would if I was oh if I owned the UFC I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly This is just my feeling and I'm not a good businessman If you want to be a good businessman, you got to make the most money possible I don't know Joe you've done pretty fucking well Bubba a lot of luck A lot of luck.

1:20:32You got to quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts. No, but it is. You're driving me nuts, dude. You work harder than anybody else. Well, I work hard when I, listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true. That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say I got money and let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it. Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs.

1:21:02I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be profitable. I don't know. Well, it would be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits. And this is the only knock on the UCI have is in order to get that$7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year. Right. Right. So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards. But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC.

1:21:44It was so hard to get in. But now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent. Yeah, well, here's what's interesting. So one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to the UFC, was Netflix. They were one of the players. They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it. So there was negotiations with them. There's negotiations with ESPN. And ultimately, Paramount was like this wild, dark horse that came around with the big money. And I like Paramount. I have no issues. The ads are weird, but whatever. I love Mobland. I love Landman.

1:22:19Yeah, Mobland is fucking great. Ever watch that? Fuck yeah. Dude, this Audi, this R6 in that. This is dope, right? It makes me want so bad. Me too. I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that. They're fucking sick. They're so sick. It's a great show. But Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it because I think Netflix didn't want though I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard take this the here's the caveat is that Netflix did not want The small fights they did not want fight night good for them

1:23:01They only wanted a big ones Well, some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. We like them. Yeah, degenerate right the public's like who the fuck are these Apex there's no one there. I love that Netflix is like, what take these? I love the Apex fights. I love it all. I've been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch. I'll go with you. Let's fucking go. I would love that. I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me. Yeah. I love it. I feel like I don't have any enemies there anymore. I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume.

1:23:32That's it. That's how they say it, which we understood from the get-go. Ted Sarandos, who I love. um bella bajaria i don't knew her uh we're very up front with that we're looking for big events so the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view which is just we were just going to put on the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber as long as you just give us that we're in we'll pay premium for it but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights they said we don't want the bullshit yeah here's the thing but then where would those 30 fight nights go that's the question But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator.

1:24:06Fight Pass. Yeah, Fight Pass. Fight Pass. Could do that. Fight Pass. But again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going, well, hold on. The reason we get such a big nut,$7.7 billion, because we offer so much content. Right. You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome. It makes sense for Zufa, and it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. All of it makes sense. It just wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money. Netflix throws some money around, right?

1:24:48And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the MMA game. I'm glad you brought that up. So, this is where it gets - Anybody talk about it? Keep going. Us, dorks like you and me. Keep going. No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is they're going to do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see if it's sold out. It's definitely not, and the tickets are$88. But this is where it gets tricky because the more places fighters have to go, the better.

1:25:27Because UFC has no competition. It's a monopoly. All good. Which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues with that. So if fighters, big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it. Right. The issue with Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? Mm-hmm. So Ronda and Gina fight this week, and you've got two 40-year-olds fighting the main event. It's going to get good numbers. But again, and you know this. You've been in business with Netflix. They're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers.

1:25:56No, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you. They say, you did great. They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really? Did he? So they're going to say. Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that? Netflix said this. No, Netflix made like a thing. 400 million people watched it? Some bullshit like that. Some bullshit. How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many. I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people. That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers. So 100 million people were pirating it.

1:26:21So say 100 million. Yeah, yeah. So say 100. But so, and right now, you know, and I get Rhonda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzak Chemaev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has.

1:26:59How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have? But this is what you're not taking into consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and like Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing. Right. So what are those views now? Right. You know, like when we're adding all this up. Is that Paramount in other countries? I don't think that Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, interesting. And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view.

1:27:33Interesting. I think you're right. I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah, half of them are in the U.S. 35 million are in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into it. Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the U.S. Yeah, it's just for U.S. Just for U.S. Yeah, because U.K. is Sky Sports. So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, if that's an accurate number, 33 million.

1:28:08They're never going to get to that. But remember, the White House is also on CBS. That's different. How many people on CBS? How many people are watching regular TV? That's wild. Maybe they might have 30 more views. Oh, my dad's crunked. My dad's drunk. That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. You need your rabbit ears to pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy. Crazy. Like, some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signal's coming in bad. Crazy. There's people out there with regular TV. Yeah. That's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy.

1:28:40And they're just getting their news from, like, you know. Robots. Fox and fucking. They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit They can swear on Fox Can they? I believe so Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear Oh wow I think so Yeah, but I don't think Fox is Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox though Right, but is it Regulated? If it's broadcast, it is But Fox still is cable Broadcast and cable So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version It all has to do with over the air What's available through the air? That's what the FCC is regulating.

1:29:21So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna? Yeah, there's like a local Fox. Oh, okay. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. It came way later. That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable. Channel 31. I remember we wanted it for the Simpsons and Married with Children. Yeah. Simpsons too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am. It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places. Okay, but it was always broadcast. Okay. My fucking time's changed now because there's like, you talk about Mobland.

1:29:55There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there. But it's like hot for like a week. And then something else comes. There's too many things. There's too much. Like there would never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here. It's not good, man. True. That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now. Like that, I was talking about my Gearhead's Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show these days?

1:30:29300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tubi's fucking massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers. Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating this episode It surpassed 100 million monthly active users How many subscribers do they have? In total I know the numbers are alarming Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like view it I would imagine it's tiered It says a free ad supported streaming service Rather than subscription based model It's free but they have subscribers And then you can get the non-ad paid Where you pay I think Oh, okay.

1:31:15So you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube Red and regular YouTube. YouTube is probably the biggest. They probably have the most active viewers worldwide. Not even close, right? But then remember they tried doing shows and it just ate shit? Like YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red? Oh, yeah. They're making offers. I remember YouTube Red. That's crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well. Like Mr. Beast. Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was like kind of a little before that right and they're like right put your shows on here And like they jumped the gun.

1:31:50Yeah, they jumped the gun the mr Beast was like or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch Think about if you put your shit on YouTube. There's literally an infinite number of options and channels That's the thing and it's completely dependent on what you see like the recommended for you It's completely what you're interested in everything's niche now It's like there's people out there we don't even know And like my kids are like Dad he has 60 million subscribers I'm like what the fuck I've never heard of this fucking guy I know You know how much money he's making? Yeah It's all niche Uh huh It's niche There's that but then there's also astroturfing There's a lot of these What's that?

1:32:27Astroturfing is when you have fake downloads, fake views You have like companies that you can hire And they will get you views But here's the thing That's gonna fuck you. It'll fuck you. But but the point is people still do it and they do it because it's you can do it right now Right, and so what that means is like say if you have like Millions and millions of subscribers and then you look at the views the views are hundreds of thousands of views Then you look at the comments like fucking five comments six comments What's going on here? But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money YouTube sees the back end So if you try to make money off your show, right, you're not gonna make money But it'll get bigger because of the number.

1:33:12Oh, interesting. So here's the thing. So if you go to like brendonshob.com, if you did that, if you have Brendan Chob's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers? Well, I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And they'll click on your views or your videos more often. Because they think they're like missing out. Like, clearly this guy's doing something, right? Of course. It definitely, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate.

1:33:39And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this guy's big. That's true. This guy's big. Yeah, it definitely does. But then they're like, there's three comments. Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads. Back in the early days of audio only. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then someone came and regulated it. Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no, no. It was someone who was running, because we were all kind of using the same audio thing.

1:34:14And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, dude, we got 30 million fucking audio. 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in and was like, actually. Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count. So that like, I'm talking completely out of my ass. If they started and stopped it, right? It counted. It counted over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And I think they do that with other things, too. So you have to figure out who the actual number of people. But people have been accused of making—you could pay to get Instagram accounts.

1:34:51You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that. But doesn't Instagram in the background—doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down? They definitely do. Millions of bots over the weekend. 100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I lose like 100 ,000. Yeah, I lost 100 ,000. Yeah, but there are bots, 100%, and there's a ton of them, and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you can run an AI program.

1:35:23So if you run an AI program and you have a – like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts, And you can have them even commenting on things and you'll notice this sometimes and they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative or And it seems like a fucking person man But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob Five six seven two five four and then you see like god I don't think Bob's a person and then you go to Bob's account and you're like there's almost no chance that Bob's a person But meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time.

1:36:06And most likely what this is, is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth. Me and Shabit were talking about before you got here. I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it. Have you heard of clippers? Yes. They're paying for, there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money. A ton of money. And they're posting. Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are.

1:36:40Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design. And you can pay for that, too. So that's probably legal, right? Man. No? I mean, why would it, should it be? Right. I mean, it all depends on what are you doing? Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it? To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him, and he's getting views online. But does that equal actual fans? I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes. And a few people are going to hop on board. But as far as your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no.

1:37:24Not necessarily. But it's also a younger demo, right? Have you ever watched a stream? No. You're older than me. No. I never watched a stream. I had a talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, wait. You want me to seven days a week turn on the camera and hear my breakfast and shit? Like hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing is nuts. Where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good. But then we love Rampage. Rampage does it making stupid money.

1:37:56Yeah, but it's a good move for Rampage. you know he's not fighting anymore yeah it's a good move makes sense and he's got the jackson podcast that's doing well it's good for him to diversify do a bunch of different he's crushing other and he's also got a great personality so he's great he's perfect for it perfect for that but some people you know it ain't their thing shouldn't be doing that but streaming is like the biggest thing yeah jamie yeah i get me so old as fuck but we're old yeah also that's live You know, it's also it's like what are you doing with your life? Like I got things to do. I get sit in front of the camera for five hours a day I don't understand how anybody does it but also is it that entertaining like my life's not Lit shit on camera and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things There's a lot of that like for a lot of them like for our channel There was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels these other streaming things streaming my show and commenting on it like reaction videos yeah get mad about things we said and doing stuff but they were doing it through the they were play the whole show out oh yeah that's illegal well it was very shady it was very weird because they were commenting on it but it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content but you know it's weird you know you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're It's it's there was a lot of that going on and so then there's a lot of people that are watching Whether it's mr.

1:39:25B show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that so they're watching stuff online Someone will send them a video of a guy getting a street fight to comment on that Yeah, and then they're action videos and they're interacting with all these people that are in the in the car Money off of it. Yeah, and they're talking to these people that are in the comments It's like weird first of all if you think that social media is bad for your mental health Oh my god. Dude, yesterday I was driving down, I dropped my kids off, and I was going somewhere, I was going to this car shop, my truck's in the shop, and I was driving my father-in-law's car, and I see a high school bus, Lake Travis High School, I live right by Lake Travis, I see a Lake Travis High School bus pull up, I just look over, every single kid.

1:40:07Staring at their phone. On their phone. Yep. Not talking to each other, not saying, it bummed me out so fucking bad. I know, it's weird. You know the fun we used to have on that bus? I know. And no one's talking to each other. I know. The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not just they're doing it wrong. I want to jump on that bus, but hey, listen, I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking up right now. Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world, and this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day.

1:40:40But we know it's not good. Oh, yeah. No, it's not good. So we're just going to continue to go down this shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? Nope. Nope. People are addicted. They're 100 % addicted to their phone. I don't see anything changing. I think, if anything, it's going to get more invasive. And then it's probably, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive. It's going to get more, you're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. however they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset and you're reading each other's minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality.

1:41:27And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're down a terrible road. They're not going to. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing it. Is this too much money? No, it's just everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my like ideas about like how the world is working from social media not social media commentary but social media stories where someone will post like this is going on in Iran this is going on here I get it off social media I get it off of X but you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to right?

1:42:00and you gotta find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement because there's a lot of clickbait bullshit The majority is. Yeah, there's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news, and you also find things that you wouldn't know about, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain really crazy stories that are like, how am I not hearing about this? This should be fucking huge. But you don't think it's going to be like, and I know we have to use it, you don't think it's going to be kind of like cigarettes, like in the 60s where everyone was doing it, and then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, What the fuck?

1:42:37This is so bad for you? If it was a substance, I would agree. But it's addictive. It is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email. It is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people. I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me. And I DM them, you know, I have friendships with people that I just DM. So it's, there's that. But that's basically the problem is that it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were. We're relying on it. Yeah.

1:43:13There was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes. Like let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. During the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess. God, back in the. Back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever, I think it was 50%. That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30 %? Crazy high. I was thinking like 33. But it might be higher. Because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson show. Everyone. Yeah. People walking down the street, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains.

1:43:53Yeah. Everybody was walking down the street smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay. 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid-1960s, the height of cigarette use in the U.S., roughly 40 to 45 % of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults. Wow. That's a shit ton. That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association's summary notes that adults smoking has fallen from around 40 to 43 % in 1965 to about 11 to 12 % in 2022. I think it's back. I think people are smoking again. Really? I feel like it's lower. I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now.

1:44:32Just outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside. That's hilarious. That's gay. That's San Francisco. That's gay. That makes sense. The San Francisco treatment. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK? If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21. Just to stop people from... Exactly. So people that were born in like fucking whatever year whatever year they they set it at when they turn 21 They will not be able to buy cigarettes trying to eliminate But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you're born a different time. They say oh you're retarded You don't know any better.

1:45:07That's so stupid. It's there. It's communism. It's it's socialism They just run out the fucking with a prime minister the fuck thing he's still there I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else they probably want to but they haven't yeah But the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like it's the government telling you what to do. When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually, too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take.

1:45:38It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think. And they're going to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas soda. It's bananas It's dumb, but the England's lost their way. They've lost their shit show Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis primarily also other things but Criticizing the government and now they threw away jury trials for those things So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail.

1:46:18His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild shit about immigrants. And no, he shouldn't be in jail for that. But my thing, like what's the agenda? Just to ruin, just ruin the fucking control. So shrink you down to 15 minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system. Right. So a digital credit score, a social score, and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China.

1:46:56So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuck face? You can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild. Yeah. You can't get a loan. You can't get this. Can't get a loan for a house. And it keeps people in line. and then the government can do its job without protests. Dude, can I piss real quick? Let's piss. I've had two fucking energy drinks. We'll be right back, folks. And we're back. So much better. I know. It's hard to concentrate when you have to piss. Bro, you were talking. I was like, oh, man, I really want to hear this moment to piss my pants. What were we talking about?

1:47:25Let's talk about your show. We have a cigar, brother? Yeah. Hold on. Dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online. I know. I didn't notice. I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up. It is funny, though. But it's really the same. It's just where the label is. Yeah, man. What are these? I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You are a rebel. There you go, Phil. Thanks, brother. Here's the clipper. You know how this works. Yeah, thanks. Make sure you clip the right spot. That one. There you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one.

1:48:12So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you need help? No, I got a big deal. You know what you're doing. No, I'm – dude, you know how many cigars I smoked? Only in here. Oh, light it. That's right.

1:48:30So your show. So your show is on 2B. 2B. Hey, so light this part, right? Well, no, but this part Yeah, light that part It's fucking, dude, it's tricky, right? No, it's not tricky No, just retarded? Yeah, light the part that you didn't cut

1:48:53What is it called? What's your show called? Gary Hats Gone Wild Oh, that's right Just like Girls Gone Wild Same text and everything Is that a problem? No, hell no Although that guy's, I think, fucking on the lam in Mexico. I think we're good. Is he really? Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good. Didn't he get kidnapped and they fucking sodomized him? He had some dicey shit. Yeah, yeah. It turned out pretty sad for him. It's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers.

1:49:32owned to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those? God, I can't get them. Those off-road ones? I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does it. I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off-road, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man. Why do you love the off-road ones? I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where? I bet, especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:50:07But out here, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about. Right, but when you go off-roading, generally, you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right? Russell Bilt Fab. Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game. That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. So they take a 993 and ooh, that's pretty. It's my favorite thing in the world. Wow. I don't know why. Look at the wheel wells.

1:50:42That's crazy. Wow. Perfect daily driver, too. Don't have to worry about scraping or nothing. You know what? I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights. They stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car. Agree. Because you could put those on that front there. Just take them off. What do you do? You drive at night in the dark, shut the fuck up, bitch. You ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in the woods. Oh, don't get it twisted. At nighttime. Like all my trucks, I have that Ram 2500 AEV. That thing's never seen the dirt.

1:51:14Right, but that's different. It just looks like it. That looks fine with the extra lights on it and shit. Yeah, but still. I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew. Yeah. What are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations. It's like a bad set of fake tits. You're like, what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits. It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah. You get some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better.

1:51:49And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long-nosed Porsches. Oh, it's so beautiful. The best. When you have dumbass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that. It's just not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, I like different shit. I agree with those headlights. You fuck up the lines. But I'm just into different shit. I like when they swap the LSs in the Porsches, too. Oh, yeah. That's dope. Yeah. Just the sound. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That chop. Yeah. I don't know. It's shit like that, man. I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. That's like, oh, my God. You should go to jail for that.

1:52:23You put a water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche. Bro, this guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche. driving and he's driving me around and I go man you ever you ever driven with those LS Porsches and he was like what the fuck did you say and I'm like you don't get down with those he's like fuck no I'm like yeah those are gay those are so gay no they're awesome I just like different shit man yeah Rutledge Wood had one of those he had one of those what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies oh I know what you're talking about I saw him RWB yes yeah he had one of those with an LS in it That's pretty sick.

1:53:01And there's companies that do that. Yeah. Yeah. They're sick. They're so cool. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2 ,000 pounds. Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because everybody wants the air-cooled. Because the air-cooled has that raspy... They are the best. It's a wild... Air-cooled is great. It's a wild sound. That air-cooled sound is a wild sound. As I'm getting older, too, it's like, you know, I've had trucks with 1 ,400 horsepower.

1:53:32I've had cars with 1 ,100 horsepower. And then if you just get an old school Porsche air-cooled with 250 horsepower manual. So fun. It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about, you're not racing it. No. You know, you're not on a track. Oh, dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was running hot. My TRX, the 1400 horsepower, was running hot. I converted to twin turbo, Hellcat engine. It's like 1400. It's running on E85 fuel.

1:54:09There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because the engine was smoking. I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track. Who am I doing this for? Well, a Hennessy has 1 ,000, and you can drive it everywhere. Yeah, that's probably the way to do it. Hennessy TRX or a Hennessy Raptor. I almost bought one of those, and then I got that AV Ram, and I linked it with Diesel R, and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system.

1:54:42Oh, bro. Let me get my pants off. Oh, yeah, I don't know if you're into that stuff, but I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude. Ooh, that sounds fun. Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait. That sounds fun. Yeah. So the idea is you're just driving around, going to different places, having people do different things with cars. Yeah. Check out what people are doing. Different mods they're doing. Yeah. And it's like that old school car shows that we grew up on. It'll throw up facts about Porsches and about the car. It'll just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys. Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX.

1:55:17Oh, nice. He has like 120 ,000 miles on it. Does he really? Dude, that thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off-roads it. We go in his car, I'm like, dude, I said, no, go on. I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with them. I know it's for TV. I don't need to show off. Nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man, and was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, yeah, just shit we like, you know? And then someone's like, you want to do a TV show with them?

1:55:48I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man. It's interesting how much that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars, but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. No. No. Some of them, some of them like cars. They're into some. But like for me, it's like that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it. Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house. But after a while, it just becomes your house. And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, you're set.

1:56:27You're kind of set. Yeah. Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different. Okay. The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland. Yes. You would wait in line to get in that car. and you're boom boom and you're fucking shifting your own gears and

1:56:52it's fun and the shit you have dude i live through you because you know obviously we're in different tax brackets you know i gotta do my thing on facebook marketplace and shit i picked up tires the other day he goes holy shit brendan shop buys tires on facebook marketplace yeah dude who doesn't want a fucking deal man put those in the back for me dude but uh yeah you got one of those poor i think it's your gunther porsche yes and you took a picture of like dude i'll just sit in my garage and stare at him like dude i've never i do i stare at it sometimes sit in the garage and look at it oh it's a fucking piece of art man yeah all carbon fiber yeah dude some when i when i see like that that that that type of porsche like the gunther work or i'll see a certain car i'm just like i i can't even describe the it's like fuck dude that is so sick yeah do you see the gunther works made a twin turbo slant nose i sent it to you Peter Nam sent it to me too the owner of the company sent it to me well I bought it off him I bought one off him, not that, not the Slant I didn't know if you're dealing with customer service no, I deal with Peter, he's awesome but that's it, that car is insane, they raced that one against a GT3 RS and it buried it buried a GT3 RS buried it, yeah they did some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was parked.

1:58:171 ,067 horsepower? It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please search what does the slant-nosed Gunther Works weigh. Because their carbon fiber. 100%. Their carbon fiber. 2 ,000-something. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's about 2 ,400 pounds. 2 ,700. 2 ,700. So it's close. But the engines are super heavy Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there, but what engine is it? I think it's a... Four liter twin turbo flat six. Yeah, and it's air-cooled, which is so nuts. A thousand horsepower flat six air-cooled engine is crazy. And people, everyone, like you talk to anyone, like I want a thousand horsepower.

1:59:09You think you want a thousand horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X. It's not like that. Like if you buy it or like at my Demon 170. From the factory. From the factory, you're good. But when you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning, if you're reaching 1 ,000 horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems. You do not. Right. It's a fucking nightmare. And then also - Every week. I was in the shop, calling buddy, doing something. I'm like, this is exhausting. Well, this won't be like that. Like, the Gunther Works ones are reliable. I've never had a problem.

1:59:42Those are great. But the question is, does that have any traction control? Hopefully not. Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control? I don't know. They can do that now. I know that there's like a computer thing that you could buy. Is Gunther's in California? Where are they at? I believe so. Yeah. 99 % sure they were in California. Dude, you should connect with him because I'd love doing an episode with him. A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control.

2:00:18Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS, too. That's dope. You're going to need it. You're going, fuck yeah, you're going to need it. But see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose. Bro, it is hilarious. That's crazy. And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million dollars. Yeah. Here's my problem with Porsche. Is even 20 years ago, my very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from podcast my sister 15 years ago i bought just your base 911 went to the porsche dealer bought a base 911 i could afford it it was i don't know 80 grand now porsche has become it's almost like what ferrari was 10 years ago where just the base porsche is so expensive man it's pricing out their market so now it's become and we've been on porsche for how long like we've always talked about forever forever it starts shit.

2:01:13Watch this. Oh my god. It's Top Gear. Oh, it's Top Gear. Great channel. Yes. So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million dollar car. Way safer to do it that way. Watch this. When they get to 30. Look at that interior, dude. Watch this. Go.

2:01:36Bro. It's not even fucking close. It's not even close. It's not even close. That's insane. And a GT3 RS is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was not his car. Obviously, this is someone else's car that they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars on it. How much did they cost? 1.2. 1.2 million dollars. Again, that's my only issue with Porsche now. Because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man. It's like... Well, people flip them. Oh, yeah. A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's just... A lot of demand for them.

2:02:18Yeah, it's tough. Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people. Well, you know what a lot of people are doing? It's$400 ,000 more. It's$1.6 million. That car is? Yeah. $1.6 is crazy. Worth every penny. If you got that, loot. If you got that, loot. Please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T, you know the T? Yep. And they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700 plus horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it. Now you're talking my language.

2:02:51Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. Yeah. And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive. Yep. And you can get them for pretty, I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper. Yeah. It's so tough, man, to get some of those. Like the GT3 RSs, you got to be allocated. Or it's like 150 over markup. It's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them. But again, for my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough for them making good money. But it's going to be really tough to get into Porsche, man.

2:03:24It's just the different. Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that. It wasn't. No. It used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar. daily driving supercar but you know the market and it's also things change right because now everything is twin turbo they're all twin turbo yeah unless you buy a gt3 they're twin turbo yep yeah you know i think too um one of the reasons i went away from exotic because i mean you know i even modded my gt2 rs like i'm an idiot but it loses value in them so when you mod them when you mod them yeah it fucks them up and i i just can't leave anything alone so that's why i went so heavy and American shit because, you know, the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of, and there's a market there, you're not losing your ass.

2:04:12And they're cheaper to mod. Like, when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Nightmare. Yeah. Well, it's all, to me, it's all about enjoyment, right? And so, like, what are you getting out of it? If you're not, like, racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting, you're not really doing that with most cars. You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah. It's a six-speed. Didn't you get the Super Snake R?

2:04:52It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. Whee! I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old-school muscle car, but it's all modern and perfect starts every time interiors great And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed just normal speed just driving to work normally not speeding You feel like you're doing something fun And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X? No No, it's not the same the ZR1X is on another planet. It's a it's a spaceship I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Coda.

2:05:33I was like, this thing is crazy. It's so fast and it handles so well and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not using a manual, you're missing. You're going to have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going to have a lot of fun. It's a great car. But shifting your own, you know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8. Really? Yeah. So it's not. Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual? I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette.

2:06:14I don't know if there are in the future. You can swap it in. But you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. and everybody saw that and were like, oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck, it's great, but it's kind of doing it for you. The drive's different. It's so— It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Does not offer a manual—Tremec. Okay, Tremec has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production.

2:06:52What does that mean? But Tremec makes it. But they make it. Are they selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? I have no idea. Because Tremec made the transmission on my SuperSnap. They make the best transmissions. Tremec's new six-speed manual transactional opens the door for manual swap vets and other creations. So you can do it. This is what I would do. What I would do is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it. Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. I get that Z06 and that orange. There's no word yet on price timeline or who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with three pedal transmission.

2:07:32That is the problem because you're going to have to. And the ECU. Yeah. That's a big problem. Yeah. The biggest problem I've had is with the ECU. People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do. But it's like I got a 2024 Ram and right away I'm like, all right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's transmission, banks. I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R, and they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up? Low miles, man. They're like, I fucked up. I'm like, why? They're like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. We have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier.

2:08:10And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at$7 ,000 for an unlocked ECU? Whoa. And that's not at any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car is going to monitor you and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car? So to keep people from drinking and driving or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, just fucking shut your car down.

2:08:47I think that's even more reason to buy old shit. Yeah. A lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know the exact version of it. It's going to pass in California first, for sure. Well, it's passed nationwide. Really? And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Fetterman might have voted against it, too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts.

2:09:24The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it. I mean, it probably is going to be in here. Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. So that's a kill switch. So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car and you're, you know. But that's the Trojan horse. Like, they get you in with that. It's for safety. That's the thing. May is a key word in there.

2:10:01May be able. Well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car. Correct. You can shut it down. Right. That's the security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chobb is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada But can't they do that with your Tesla's? That's probably I mean, it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably can do that I'm really bummed out the Tesla's canceled the Model S Jamie now. We're just talking about it for the show Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two fucks.

2:10:36I know it's your boy, but I just don't care I listen to you. Do your thing. I drive it all the time. I love it with all the cars you have I love it. That's the one thing I might get. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look, I drove my Raptor here. That Raptor's badass. A fanboy would say that it's going to be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet. Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater, four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. Why would they get rid of it? I've never had four people in my car. You never what? I've never had four people in my car.

2:11:08Okay, you haven't, but like, so like the other day I had to pick up my daughter because she was, she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends. Yeah, it's dope. So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah. I got everybody in my car, no problem. I like having a four-door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like for you, a roadster would be fun. That's just a, you know. Not for you. It's a small little car anyway. I think the X is pretty dope too. They also cancel the X.

2:11:40I know. The X is dope. Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that it could dance in the parking lot. I remember seeing that video. I was like, this is crazy. This is crazy. I only do four. I don't have anything two-door anymore because of kiddos. I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can and it has to have four doors. Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan. Your kids are older though too. If I didn't have a Tesla and I had a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5V Blackwing. Let's preach. And you can get a manual. You can get the new one.

2:12:13The F1 is only in manuals. The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horsepower. I know you do. We both suffer from marble mouth. Brother. 685 horsepower, and it's only manual. Just take my fucking money, dude. I want an automatic. I think so. if it's that. Yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving it all the time, especially if you live in LA. Yeah. Depending on where you live in. Jamie, that could be you, bud. Like we were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie. I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day. It's an awesome 10 miles.

2:12:52No, it's not. Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine. You can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. Give me some fucking volume. Let's hear this driving. The one in this car. Yeah, well Jamie's not really a car guy very very drive it to the golf course But like yeah, that's once a week. Yeah much better you play the sound Carbon around it me or drive on it drives. So dry areas driving. Let's go Why why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video this and not have Yeah, you want to sell cars or not? Play it for me, please. Here it is. Just click that, though.

2:13:39That's the black one. Oh, there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, Bubba. That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. I got to do a damn thing. I know. You can get it really loud. But the thing is, just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog.

2:14:04Yeah. All right. I mean, it's not bad. Yay! He's in. Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby. I feel. Oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. That's what you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above 1 ,000 all the time. Oh, that's going to get robbed out here then. No, Bubba. No, come on. Texas. We're talking about You want to get it by crack? I don't drive anywhere. Where's he going? Come on, dude. He's buying crack. You live in a nice place. Are you buying crack? She got covered parking. You don't need it, but it's fun. I just think of Gone 60 Seconds when you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seen driving that dope car they're gonna follow you in that dope with the our friend he got followed.

2:14:49What's wrong with you two? Oh, yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen. I don't need that. He's in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning. There's a million Teslas all over the place. Bro, I drive... And he's got a Ferrari. I drive crazy shit. Ferrari is different than a Cadillac. Ah. I've never had... Have you had any issues? Especially out here. No, you can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life. It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club, not too long ago.

2:15:17So you're downtown? Yeah, right in front of EDVs. People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact. That's why I don't like having targets. Not where I live. Come on over to the burbs, dude. So you think if you have one of them Cybertruck... So supposedly Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV. Maybe. I don't know. Allegedly. Could be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit. He won't tell you? I got a big fucking mouth. There's online people have showed things, but we don't really know. What have they showed? Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a Cybertruck. See, that would be a smart move for them to make a Cybertruck that's an SUV.

2:15:54It's a smart move. Because you already have the shape just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more. And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like one of the smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could. Or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango. Because Stellantis does Hellcat's back, baby. Hellcat Durango's pretty dope. Hellcat Durango's pretty dope. The godfather of Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge. Yes, thank God. Thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it. They got silly with that electric thing.

2:16:26They had some French guy running it. Is that what it was? Yeah, and he killed all - He hates America. Facts. That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America. Facts. That's why I went Poiton to beat Serial Gun. It was like the most iconic American V8-powered cars - In a long time. ... were Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well, that's a V10. Yeah. Dodge Viper. You had - But just big engines, right? You had gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Red Eye. They crushed it. Crushed it. Are they going to discontinue the Challenger? No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger.

2:17:02So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and a Charger. Wasn't it a Charger? And a Challenger, too. They did both, right? You can't change. They're coming out with a Charger that's gas powered. Yeah, the Charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it. They look pretty cool. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck.

2:17:25Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that? This is the 2020. Here we go. It's a straight SUV. Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. Yeah, now we're talking. The Durango kept Dodge and Float. That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. You're going to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck yeah, dude. Goddamn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this now. We're on to this. We're on to this. That's what you need. I wasn't, this is also, people love these. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that. Trackhawks are great, dude.

2:17:59There's not that many of them yet, and people are after them. How about you get a Hennessy and tell them to leave the badges off? Hennessys are so fucking sick. Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off. Bro, did you see? So it just looks like a regular one, a sleeper. I'd just be worried the whole time. Oh my God. What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty? Hennessy finally did a Ford Super Duty? Yeah. Fuck, I love it. Hezzy does dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Blackwing and fucking. See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go.

2:18:30They do good. Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation. You should do a show with him. He's great. I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the fucking road. He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. Me and him had a convo because when I was building my rap to get to 1400 horsepower, I called him. Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. Yeah. They're great. Peter's very cool, too. Durango smokes his track hawk. Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat? He started a little faster if he smokes them.

2:19:01That's probably not a Hennessy one. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible. The red interior, it's fucking awesome. We're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to James. That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right. Okay. Whichever one it was. Either way, pick your poison. Just fucking get one. I would 100 % drive one of those. 100%. Fuck yeah, you would. I might get one too if you get one. Shit. Let's go. Let's go. Charge it. How dare you.

2:19:35You son of a bitch. How fucking do you? You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. I was on the phone with him when I came to the studio. He told me that gas is$7.90 a gallon in L.A. right now. And that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to$8.40 something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's what. Maybe 3 % or 4%. So. Are they just fucking us in the ass? Yeah. They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price. So we all just go along with it.

2:20:09Is that real? Or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go? And so they need to make that money. So they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? Like they're like, we're going to make money no matter what. The American people are going to lose money. So we make the same amount of money. Fuck you. You need oil. My whole thing is even like when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway. American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution, and taxes.

2:20:49Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war. But what if we got all our oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we did that, why would oil go up? Because American fuel prices are tied to the global oil market. We would just start selling it. That's stupid. the market yeah but they're a bunch of crooks they're a bunch of crooks we should have a national oil company and only sell in America keep it in house so no matter what foul shit we do outside the world even though the US is the world's largest oil producer companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price and it fucks us high world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices He says, hey, Mr.

2:21:36President, please fix that. Fucking tax him. I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. They try to kill him three times already. You try to fuck with that oil money, and all of a sudden, President J.D. is crying on TV. J.D.? I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me, and I didn't always agree with everything he said. And I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. Dude, what the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me? is there's been like three legit assassination attempts, and it's in the news two, three days, and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy, and we move on.

2:22:12Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack J.D. You remember that guy? No. Yeah, see? I know. I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White House. You see this guy who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out, and was walking down the street in Cambridge just unloading his gun on passerbys. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years.

2:22:52That's insane, dude. He had a shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did three years. Bro, here's the other problem is I saw they took a, again, whoever's doing these pulls, you gotta be an idiot to get stopped on the street and do the pulls. Look at this guy. This is wild. He's just walking on the street shooting at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running that guy over. Oh, a thousand percent. Especially if I'm in my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my car. That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life.

2:23:23100 % you're fucked. Yeah. For defending the public. But I saw a survey that said one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake. I wonder what percentage think the world's flat. One in four. Yeah, the people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet. So dumb. That is in the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life. That guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump.

2:24:00And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their fucking mind. Or the guy that the correspondence dinner who rushed in. Yeah. They think that's fake. It's like, hold on. So you think this guy who's a teacher educated, clearly kind of had his shit together, threw away his life? Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, the congressman, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that. I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal.

2:24:32I'm sure he has way better points than me. But if they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber, you think it stopped? Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly. So you just think they're like, OK, the public knows we're going to shut this down. No, dude. Yeah. They just, they expand. It gets better and better and better. For sure, they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks, too. The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yep. That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed.

2:25:04He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no, like, social media. Blackrock ties. And have you heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that dude? Vanished like Kaiser Sochi. What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right. We haven't heard one interview with him. Is that not weird, dude? It's super weird. Nearly one third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. Wow. I've been 54%. For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure.

2:25:4154 % said they either thought it was staged or not sure. And that's the problem. Only 38 % of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking ruining people's brains. That's the problem. That's the fucking problem. Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads. I know. It's not good, dude. Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m. Yeah. And like Americans, have fun. Yeah. Go rot your brains. They're doing such a great job.

2:26:12Crush it. And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out. Don't give a fuck. Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're going to do is promote exceptional people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, OK, you guys can have TikTok. There's some rules there.

2:26:44it's an educational thing now not a fucking chance dude no it wouldn't get more it would go right over to Instagram which is like Instagram's all assassinations what if they did across the board you would have to have no one cross that picket line and they all would because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now like my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots and there's so much of that Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights. On Instagram? Yeah. So my problem is me and Segura, every day, send each other the worst thing, what we find online.

2:27:23I don't want to start my day like that. I don't either. I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time, and then I'll check my DMs occasionally. You've kind of gotten off of it, right? Yeah. It's just so much better. It feels so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending. Which you're not like reading the comments and all that shit or mentions? And I don't even go into the news feed because I used to go into the news feed, but now I find things about me all the time. Like, I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am.

2:27:55That's a bummer. Like, come on. I'm not here for that. I know. It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't even want to read that. No. I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. So then I'll click on like, what the fuck is going on? And I'll check that out. Like, that's how I found out about this guy with the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better. But I'm also more often than not now not going there for my news. And I've kind of curated my Google News feed. Smart. To be much more interesting.

2:28:28Like, I get more stories. And it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story. And did you stop drinking too? I did and then I went back. How back are you? Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude, I've been sober over two years now. That's nice. Almost three. Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape. Yeah, it's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two with dinner. And I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then.

2:28:59But I just I was doing it too much. Me too. And then I recognized. And so I stopped. Yeah. Just it wasn't benefiting me. And then also, you know, I have addictive personality. Like if I do something, I got to be all in. Like on cars, like literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks and they're all the same. You know, it's just like when I get into something, I get so into that. But I'm getting as I'm getting older, I'm getting better checking myself. Good. That's good. But getting better at that is very important to managing your life. It's really important.

2:29:31It's growing up. Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all. And then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah. Facts. You know, but that's the problem is that a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it. And so they just get caught up and, you know, it could be anything. Oh. Yeah. to preach that's me yeah but it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff correct which is weird you know like if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything like not there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time i probably can't hang out correct and it's not good yeah not good yeah because that same obsession is what led me got me to the ufc or football exactly exactly like being all in on something i think is uh where that's where obsession can lead the scary one for me i think not for me personally but when i see it is gambling super scary because i see people that are really rich not just dana but other people that i know that are really rich that gamble big numbers and it freaks me out like big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff and i was like i don't like that like that doesn't You get your rocks off in other ways.

2:30:49I think for those super rich people, that's kind of like they can buy any car. They can buy any house or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be a big number for them to feel it. Because the juice has to be so high. If they bet$100 on something, they might not even cash that ticket. They don't feel it. You know how you and I are similar with Obsession. Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah. In a positive way? Super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in. And if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out.

2:31:27Yeah. I think that. So when I say shitty kids, I generally, genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents. Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The crazy parents I deal with, buddy. Dude. And I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me. So I'll go, can I give you some advice, man? You got to back off, dude. But they can't. They can't. You'd have to change who they are. And I tell them, I'm like, I'm trying to help you out here. You love baseball, whatever. You love football. Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun.

2:32:10He used to love this game. When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. You've fucked up, dude. And who's it going to affect? A, it's going to suck for him because he likes football. You're not going to be able to watch your kid play football, dude. Because you decide to make it not fun. You're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid. Facts. I don't force my kids into doing it, other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it.

2:32:38But find something you are interested in. that's my thing whatever you're into let's ride i don't give a fuck what it's just so happens it's baseball football cool let's ride man yeah but you have a great personality for that and that you're very encouraging your kids but you're not you're not it's just it's not you thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kids performance you just want your kids to have fun yep the problem is with some people their kid is almost like their racehorse or something You know what I mean? Like, it's like their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete.

2:33:14Brother, and now it's worse because, especially on base, right? It's like it's a business now. It's over a billion-dollar business. So now it's like there's these travel ball. When I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. Well, now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball. So there's the majors, and there's two teams at the majors. There's three AAA, three AA, three single A. I just want my—I don't need the best 10-year-old. I just want them playing. So I don't give a – he made the majors team. I don't give a fuck. It's majors, AAA, rec. We're playing wherever. Have fun. Have fun.

2:33:45And apply yourself to something. And apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck what level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, they'll be like, oh, you played AA? I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can only play majors? So what, I can sit around the water cooler and brag to you guys? I don't give a fuck. You see that people will talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids? Oh, it's wild, dude. But, you know, it's like stage moms. There's a thing like that with actors. To your point, their identity is tied up in them.

2:34:19But what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up. Oh, yeah. It's all going to get fucked up. I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were super involved in their career, and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally, like I've seen it a few times. And one of them that I know really well where the parents stole money from the kid. Fuck, dude. Yes. He stole like$6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like devastated them to find out. But it's like that's what they're doing.

2:34:48They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely on the kid. And the kid's acting. Think about the pressure on the kid. Oh, I got to afford all this so we can fucking live? I know. And I'm nine? Not only that, but then the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my fucking money. I'm the fucking man. You don't tell me I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself. He's the boss? Yeah. I mean, he had problems with it, too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10. Horrible, man. Also for pretending.

2:35:21Horrible. You get famous for pretending? How's that going to affect your personality? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that just don't understand you're developing a human being. And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well. Correct. They're fucking nuts. Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played. Right. And they're like, man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent and then they're the worst. Did your kid into cars? Big time. Oh, that's nice. Big time. You got to teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old.

2:35:56That's what I tell them all the time. All the fucking time. Yeah, don't do anything. Oh, no, they're going to learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to do your car. Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen? Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't know how to drive a manual. He doesn't even know how to drive one. Do you know how to drive one? Sure. Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at him. I haven't done it in a long time. You could figure it out. I definitely could do it right now. Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day. You're the perfect candidate.

2:36:18I just don't want to. That's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit. I'm so sad right there. I mean, there's so many other cars in the world. It doesn't have to be that one. What do you like? I don't, I'm not driving anywhere. We know you like track cars. I like driving on a racetrack. Okay, okay, okay. But let's just put all that aside. What cars do you look at and go, oh, I like that? Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a Target? No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like an X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG, GLE. Okay. Okay. Now we're talking. Yeah, there's somewhere in there.

2:36:55Those are I tell you what looking whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be dick slap Into the hospital like Like what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills and they hit like the M4s like Blah. Yeah. What did you do? They just trying to switch it up, you know, and they miss. But who let that go through? Bring that up, Jamie. The only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 Series. There's something about the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me. That M2's fucking tasty, too, though. Okay, that's dope. Those things can cook. They didn't get it goofy with the grill.

2:37:42Come the fuck on with that. They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, But it's still got a big gap like that's yeah, I don't like it the earlier ones were the grossest ones But but look at that right there with the lower I'm sorry. That one's good. But the left one the white one the white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that's perfect That's perfect. That's pretty that's perfect. Do you still have them five? No, but I do have the e46 m3. Oh, yeah, those are cool the 2005 that was an awesome That one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's a great car. Like that one. That one's gross.

2:38:19That grill, the lower right one, the bronze colored one. Blech. You know, my brother has that new M2 manual, and that thing fucking cooks. Oh, M2s are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW, to their credit, is still making manual transmissions. Awful. It's a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right? I don't think so. I think the M5 is only – does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue. Yeah, it's like manual is not the first thing coming up. Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore. See if it says manual transmission. That one's automatic.

2:38:59Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah. Oh, six-speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an old one. Those are dope. The V10s are cool. The V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast. There it is. That's old. Yeah. Yeah. So those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. That's what you want. Light? It does weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission. And, you know, it's a dinan, so it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster, so it's like 400-something horsepower. but monster dude it's just fun it just you feel it while you're driving it and they look fucking weird and i was trying to track that said that they got two of them that were unless there's only two vehicles here what does it say might be it might be just not an american thing does that make no those are old no i know i'll show you what i saw oh that they so put put in 2026 bmw m5 manual i just saw that we got two versions of the bmw m5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on that's what I saw it was clicking on when does that though if you click on it I think 25 right but I think they're talking about old cars I think they're doing a history two versions they're talking about older cars BMW says great interiors too oh yeah some manufacturers still fucking do it right BMW does it right they're really good it's a solid car then the M the new M5 even if it isn't a manual is a fucking screamer of a car they're monsters yeah but they have to make them hybrids now I know it's because of all the fucking all the environmental shit you see Trump got rid of the the engines the engine start you know how when you stop oh yeah he got rid of that that's good yeah that's I don't like that and I don't like that and some cars I have to press the don't do that at every red light don't do that hate it don't do that hate it hate it it's fucking stupid you're not saving anything all you're doing is cooking my starter.

2:41:02Yeah. Because the starter's got to start 50 times more. How crazy did Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that. It's so annoying. I've been parking next to one of these. Ooh. Is that a Maserati? Yeah, it's sick. Ooh, boy. Those are cool. In person, they're really nice. Ooh. That's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jimmy? Well, ah. What's up? I don't know. He's worried about the attention. I just had a tire problem. I didn't go that far. Those Model S tires just fell apart after 10 ,000 miles. I know that was weird the way your tires fell apart was weird that didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire and then he got a look at it and it was like there's the wires around he'd worn down the tread at 10 ,000 miles well that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy so you're going through tires faster but I didn't think it would be that fast 10 ,000 miles is crazy I bet he is the wire dude you know how ratchet you gotta be to wear down to the wire?

2:41:59I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight. Because we looked it up and it was like 15 ,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot. Heavy foot. A little more lead foot. Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of the electric car. As he gets older, we're talking on lead foot, Jamie. These are dope. Austin Martins are dope. Fuck yeah, bud. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie. You know some good shit, dude. Here we go. I just don't like Blackwing, Cadillac. Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. Austin Martins are fucking awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes.

2:42:30That's fine. As long as you like that. You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you Trackhawks. We'll get you Aston Martins. He's got to get something. We've got to get him something fun. Let's know the budget, dude. He seems a little hesitant. But he does seem open to it. Well, you drove race cars before around the track. Yeah, that's fun. I do that all the time. But you could buy a car that you can drive your own. We're going to have a studio at the track. More fun to not drive your own race car That's true You don't worry about fucking it up That's a good point So your show's on Tubi Show's on Tubi, Gearhead's Gone Wild There's four episodes And are you releasing new ones?

2:43:08You can binge watch all four of them right now And then if the four do well They're going to order a bunch more And that's where I do Hennessy, Guns Wars I got some big boys like that And how long are each show? I think they're like 28 minutes each Yeah Okay, cool And it's Gearhead's Gone Wild Yes, they're on Tubi On Tubi Yep Can you want to be the first time I ever go to to be a baby please do I did I don't heard about it like a year ago. I just found out about it three months ago I just can't believe it has that many fucking when they're like we got a buyer to be I'm like Okay, let's fucking do it.

2:43:41They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch. Yeah, well We're watching it. There's that many people but it sounds awesome, dude. I'm glad you're doing something enjoy I definitely will. Yeah, I love cars. It's our shit. All right, brother. You'll love it, man. Thanks for doing this. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. See you.