#2511 - Terry Bradshaw

27:14Yes, I do. We tried to cook some duck. Yeah. It was horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it, really. I don't know. I do know this. Mr. Child's got some of the best duck I've ever had. Right. Mr. Child's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's good duck. I think they probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is. We tried to do the roux. The roux that you cook duck in. Yeah. It ended up looking like tar. Right. Do you guys, but do you know how to cook? Well, we thought we did.

27:56We found that. Is your wife a good cook? Is your wife? Yes, she is. She is. Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good, and he got mad at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen. Don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good. It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them. And they're like, this is fantastic. Like, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job. Mr. Child's got it down. Yeah, they do. They're chefs.

28:25Professional. But my wife and I, we got it out of the computer. Oh, okay. You got a recipe. Yeah. So we got a friend of mine sent us five mallards. Right. I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So you got to make a roux, right? You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce. So we got the big pot out, and we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in. Right. Now you heat it, get it this and that. Then you stir, add this and that. And we stir and we stir. And the more we stirred, I ended up looking like a rubber tire.

29:04It was horrible. It was seriously. But, Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before. Oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right? Right. That's the same thing. It's like you learn how to cook from a recipe. if you don't know how to cook. I've got a book out called The Bradshaw Family Cookbook. So you can cook? Yeah, but I don't cook stuff like that. I make a roux.

29:42Now, my son-in-law, you met Noah? Yes. He's a world-renowned, not a world-renowned, but he's voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's from Hawaii. What restaurants does he cook at at Dallas? Ham's. They hire him. Oh, okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, sure, sure. They hire him. He does these, goes out and cooks for companies and people. It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what's got temperature at? I said, 350. He said, 20 minutes. Take them off.

30:21That's all I needed to know. It's perfect. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, you just got to learn how to do it. That's all it is. But it's not that the duck tastes bad. Here's the bad thing about it. I know my banker who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills. His name is Drake? Drake. Drake Ducks. And he has ducks. He's a duck hunter. But his name is Drake. Drake, yeah. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, I know, but he's serious. How ironic. Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice to shoot ducks. Oh, he's serious. Okay. Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's 80 degrees.

30:59Duck story. I mean, they are coming in at 80 degrees. His rice and he's got water issues. Does he know how to cook duck? I guess. I never. He's never asked me what I want to eat. He ducked. But I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, well, tell me, we don't shoot stuff. But I like duck. So he sent us five duck ducks. You know? Mm-hmm. And that's so. So that's what you cook. cooked his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it? No. I don't think so. No. Probably shut up. Probably a good idea. Well, I mean, the book. Right. The book. Come on, Joe. Yeah. The books are okay.

31:40The book says a quarter of something. Really, the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good show. I gotta tell you, I gotta take a break here. This is pretty dang good. It's pretty good. Have you had any more? I have. Cheers. We need to bump again. Let's go. I'm telling you, when this is over with, you'll be sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there. Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof. Oh, it's good. But I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's the best tasty meat in the world.

32:11It's just how do you cook it? You eat turkey, wild turkey? Yes, I've had wild turkey. Dang. Oh, you're crazy. No. It was delicious. I mean, the only way wild turkey, you eat squirrel. I've had squirrel, yeah. Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that or you tell any of my kids that. Oh, God. This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken. Is that a joke? You're a stand-up comedian. Yeah. Is that a funny? No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's almost like a... Squirrels taste like chicken? Well, it's not like a red meat. Do you eat the brain? I have not eaten squirrel brain.

32:43Yeah. None of the brain. I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my Uncle Vinny used to cook it. He used to slice up... They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half. and they'd put two halves on the grill and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10. I don't know. My brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head. Now, I don't want to... The squirrel head used to fight over it. I don't want to gross out our viewers out there. But we... You take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip it, crack it open.

33:20Delicious. I mean, would I eat one today? No. How old were you when you were doing this? I was, I know at least 15 up to 15. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think anything of it. Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains can get you in trouble. Like that's a. Can I honestly say this? Is this the first interview ever done where brains, eating brains has been brought up? Probably not. Oh, not. Have we talked about eating brains before? Yeah, for sure. We have? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, I'm not special. Because of prion diseases. I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not. I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is.

33:56Oh, okay. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get. Yeah. I'm not familiar with that. Yeah. I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of disease. Oh, the screw worm. Screw worms. Yeah, yeah. Bruce told me about that. New world screw worm. Me, you, horses, dogs. Pretty much everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's apparently a huge problem. They had it in America, I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back. They got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.

34:34Yeah, it's a parasite. I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having during the COVID thing. They were taking ivermectin. You may have taken ivermectin. And I gave up. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle. Right. That's what. Yeah. And I had a, not speaking of brains, this is true. We were in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon. And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, I had it, got over it. You know, I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy, I'll tell you. He said, I'll take ivermectin, man.

35:20And I said, brain surgeon. And I said to him, obviously, I said, really? It's a cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that. And I walked around and I'm going, brain surgeon? I never could rationalize that kind of thinking. But, you know. Well, you know, Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an antiparasitic that also has antiviral properties. I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are. Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it. Oh, so did I.

36:02Well, I got in trouble publicly, like on CNN. The White House talked about it. I got over—you don't know the story. And for the people that know the story, I'm sorry I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic, I got COVID and we had me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it because I had COVID. And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had COVID. I was sick for a couple of days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one of the things that I took was ivermectin.

36:38Yeah. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse dewormer. Well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor, who also took ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better. And he didn't take all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on CNN. No bullshit. No bullshit. They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green. They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that a human— Takes ivermectin.

37:20But I will say this— It was actually invented for humans. Yeah. I actually didn't know that, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that. Well, the problem was that was a narrative that was all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, with cows— Cattle. I only knew it was cattle. It is a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No, well, they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like it's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines.

37:50That's what ivermectin is. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit that a lot of people. But was it proven to stop? Was it proven? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it. But there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. I got one over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money, and that's what they did. Don't worry.

38:17Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money. A lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money. So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit. And see, but you knew more about it than I did because being a farmer, it's all I used it for. That's all I used it for. It's very effective as a dewormer. Yeah. But it also stops viral replication. But I wasn't going to take it. I don't care if they just said this is – I wasn't going to take that. You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor?

38:52Well, that would be a different story. Right. Well, mine was prescribed to me by my doctor. Well, I'm married to a doctor, and my doctor said we're not taking him. Really? But I took – I'm one of those guys that if they say – I mean, when I got COVID, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox. Felt fine. Felt fine. We got tested every Sunday morning. We got tested. They came in and said, you got to go. You got to leave. What happened? Oh, you got COVID. Did you get sick? No. Oh, now here's the thing. Okay. Here's the thing. the question that came to mind later was okay the guy that drove me over here the guy that's going to take me to the air how am i getting home right do i stay here in the hotel for 10 12 days that was my dilemma what do i do but i did get sick i did eventually i did yeah you got real took me about four days and i got real sick yeah did you do anything during those four days were taking vitamins nothing no why not I don't take vitamins what I don't know how come you're married to a doctor I never I never have taken vitamins I don't know why really even when you're playing no not take b12 shot okay but I give it to myself you give it to yourself yeah intramuscular yeah okay little tube we take it after bam I'm in a big bag we take okay that's good for energy Yeah.

40:24Tired, hot, tired. Yeah, sure. Well, other vitamins too, though. I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery. No, I got a bad hip right now. I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me. Yeah. And I got it injected. With stem cells? With the injection? No, no, I don't do stem cells. Why not? I don't believe in stem cells. You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby Jesus? Absolutely. That catches fish for you? No, this I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh. Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pointing at it. You better cut that laugh. Listen, bro. You better shut that down.

40:59If you and I go fishing, I'm going to beg you to point that baby Jesus my way. No, no, no. I'm going to give you one. I got hundreds of these. If we go fishing, I really want to point my way. I believe that little baby Jesus works. Oh, it does. My question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells?

41:17I had too many people, based just on people that went and did stem cells. Uh-huh. And what happened? They went back and did it again. Okay. Did it again. Right. Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Okay. Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Got it. Okay. Right. Why'd they keep going back? Because it didn't work. Okay. Didn't work at all? Same symptoms came. No, no, no. It worked. It worked for a little bit. Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? They're going back and back and back. Mostly knees and ankles.

41:51Okay. So you're probably talking about arthritis. You're probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone. But stem cells work. I don't, you know, good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work. You do stem cells? 100%. What hurts? I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away. That's at least a year. That's what you say. At least a year. I had a full-length rotator cuff tear. I got stem cells shot into it. A full tear. Full tear.

42:27My doctor told me I 100 % was going to need surgery. I went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended. So they sent me to their guys. If I finish this, Joe, excuse me. Please go. But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you. You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor. He said, you have a full-length rotator cuff tear. You're going to need surgery. He goes, you could rehab it if you want. You could try. Maybe make it a little bit better. But ultimately, you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas.

42:55Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, the rotator cuff tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. Literally, the tear doesn't exist anymore. You had baby Jesus in your pocket. No, I had science. All right. Hey. It works. You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. And the reason why so many people are doing it is, look, it's not a miracle. It's not going to fix things that are unfixable. Like bone-on-bone arthritis, it's not going to fix that.

43:31That's what I'm dealing with. But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again. When I got cancer, I had to do certain treatments, and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still on rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so do you want to risk that? Plus, I kept getting all these cancer things. So you had two types of cancer, right?

44:12You had skin cancer. Bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2 % of America has Merkel cell. Both of them, the bladder cancer was, I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked me and he says, well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine. That's normal or something like that. And I kept complaining. And finally I told my wife, I said, boy, something's not right. And so she researched and found the best doctor was at Yale University. Yeah. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing, went in exploratory biopsy, came out and said, you got bladder cancer. Wow. It's a funny story about that.

44:56Funny story. Now, there's nothing funny about cancer. But I the last time I got divorced, you ever been divorced? No. OK, good. Good for you. so the last time I got divorced my wife calls me and she says I need for you to sit down I don't love you anymore I want a divorce oh alright end of that story so my wife the wife's sitting outside she gets the reports I didn't know she got the report she says honey I need for you to sit down I ain't sitting down I don't want another divorce. That's the first thing. It flapped into my head. The last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down, I need for you to sit down, my ass is out of there at 5 o 'clock that afternoon.

45:46Oy. Oy, yeah. Boy. Hey. That's a lot. Yeah, I wouldn't sit down. Bad day. She said, you got bladder cancer. And I said, all right. At least we're not getting a divorce. I can deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce. You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder? Let me ask you something. Can I stop you? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body, and now that's her bladder.

46:27So stem cells work. Did that make the news? Yeah. Oh, sure. There's articles written about it. Peer-reviewed papers on it. Has she been here? No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it. But I'm aware of the story. It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl. I don't know how they did it, because I'm a moron. But someone very smart. I'm totally a moron when it comes to stuff like that. Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder for this woman. But if it works for you and you believe it, who am I to quit? What do you mean believe it? She's got a bladder now.

46:54No, if you believe, fine. But I mean, fine. That's good. Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me. I'll bring it a ways to, well, get you some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, I fixed it. We're not arguing here. No, we're not arguing. But I'm saying there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places. And they die in Tijuana. What was a great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done? Who did that? he was the ghost what was his name the actor he went to Mexico and died? two actors went down there for stem cells when stem cells first came out remember when they wouldn't do it in America?

47:43yes so they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico yeah Germany was a lot for because I know Fred Couples was going to Germany well I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany Peyton Manning went to Germany They went to Germany for Regenikine, which is like a very – that's not stem cells as much. That's something – What is it? It's a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me. Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is. I don't know how we got on this, by the way.

48:19Stem cells. Yeah. But cancer is now – what's it called? where you go in, they spin your blood, and they then put it back in you. What is that called? Do you know what it is? PRP? That's what we were just talking about, platelet-rich plasma? Then put it back in? Yeah. Interesting. Look. Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma, phoresis, it's another thing. They take the plasma out. I don't know why, and I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. All right. You did it. You wouldn't be the first. No, you did it. You believe in it. It happened for you. You know, all right. I don't mind taking a shot.

49:03I'll take a shot all day long. Okay. You put anything in your body with a needle? Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it. Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah, don't just try it out. Let's see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle. Yeah, you know, it's... Look, I got a sister-in-law that's totally this way, and I'm totally that way. You're one way. And that's good. That's what makes the world go wrong. What does the sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What does that mean? Is she a liberal? No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative. Yeah. Okay. So how is she different than you?

49:42What way? Well, if it works and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it. Right. I was, when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, and I'm laying in a hospital, and they take me and they isolate me. Isolate me. Because they didn't know what was wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy, I'm in a hurry. Then to go in and do, I want to say stem cells. I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine and then they released me and I went home and I was home one day and in the middle of the night I'm screaming and hollering in pain my wife she gets up and thank god I at that time I owned a plane so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida and got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis.

50:48And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me. So is it only the knees? Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never, there's no, there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None. You can't find it anywhere. But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic? Don't you, when most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought. Well, yeah, but look at. But if you have it in your. Yeah, but look, this finger's just turning. That thumb's just now turning. My hands, right now, because I don't take any medicine, the only thing that hurts in the morning before I take a— do you take Celebrex?

51:25Do you believe in Celebrex? What is Celebrex? Celebrex, anti-inflammatory. No, I don't take that. Okay, I take an inflammatory in the morning. That's all I can take. I take turmeric. Okay. I take an anti-inflammatory, and that takes about 80 % of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now, my hip is starting to kill me. my ankle was killing me. How many years did you play football for? Fourteen. Fourteen professional. That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I played back in the 70s when, I mean, come on. Shit hit the fan back then. What were the surgeries like back then?

52:03I mean, it was tough. Back then, they'd shoot you up. You know, you're going to play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they would shoot me up before the game. And then at halftime, I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting you up with? Stomach block. I tore the oblique. You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing? They didn't make me. But you wanted to. I wanted to keep playing. What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something? Stuff. I don't know. Stuff? Stuff. I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor?

52:38Hey, let me just say this. I can play, all right? I get it. I didn't have a problem with it. Okay, it worked. It's scary. You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it a thought at all. It's kind of the way it was. It was the unspoken bravado. Got it. Yeah? You know that. Football players, can you imagine the 50s and the 60s? Oh, my goodness. Jeez Louise. What year did you start playing professionally? 70? 70 what? 70? 70? Wow. Yeah. I'm 77. Wow. You're what? 50? 58. 58. Almost 59. Yeah. I'm 77. Yeah. Wow. So I just didn't think anything. I said, well, how'd you get used to all that?

53:27I grew up with it. When you grow up with it. It's normal. Normal. Yeah. It's all part of it. You play. And as a quarterback, I think back then or any time, quarterbacks play. coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt. You always play hurt. Yeah, I do. Shoot me up. Block it. Shoot me up with stuff. Yeah, let's have it. Stuff, yeah. You don't ask what it is. You want to hear us? We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, There's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up.

54:13Whoa. Yo. Yeah. It's just normal. And you don't know what they were shooting them up with? Well, we played, didn't we? I told you. Stuff.

54:26And you didn't think anything of it. Nobody. Right. It was just normal. Normal. Normal. You got to play. Yeah. He's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the, you know, everybody. Did they have steroids back then? Yeah. They did. I just didn't know why one player was built like Atlas. Skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know anything about it. Howie Long. You never had Howie on the Howie's. No, I've never had Howie. Howie's amazing. Howie tells this story. He was a rookie defensive tackler. No, defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around. And he had like a 22-inch waist, massive legs, ripped, every muscle.

55:14You could see the muscles in it. Most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his arm down, you know, getting in position. How he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best. And how he goes, you've got to be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was something else. But he might have. Might have. I don't know. He might have. Some people were. Yeah. What year did steroids enter into sports? Well, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct? Well, it was an issue in the Olympics.

55:55And one of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women. Hey, I'm going to do an interview. Okay, Nancy. They were very womenly. Yeah. They seemed to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day, you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life. Not good for you, that's for sure. Oh, especially for a woman to take hyper male. For sure. You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that had such a body change. Mm-hmm. All right? Yeah, for sure. And go. You know, you've got to be kidding me. And then I think rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids.

56:45We wouldn't want to say that. I'd say it, yeah. Well, I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the UFC. Everybody was taking steroids. And Pride and Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Not everyone, but most people. Rampage didn't. But there's a good percentage of people that do. And what you found out later that steroids are not good for you, they soften the tendons, the ligaments, and then all of a sudden these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons.

57:21Because tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation. I don't know the dynamics or the physics of it. I know the muscles get big, but the tendons don't grow to match the muscles. Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured to heal. So what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight. but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do.

57:59And a lot of times these guys wind up blowing out tendons. I mean, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys looked like an Adonis. Oh, yeah, especially back in the day. Hey, Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger, yeah. Was there? Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You know, he took a lot of steroids. You know what? We know it. Someone say it. Yeah. We're not stupid. Well, that's a sport where it's required. If you want to be Mr. Olympia, there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. It doesn't exist. What about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that. I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that.

58:33Not at all? No, no, no. Okay. But I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too. That's how you get big. And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You've got to take steroids. It's not a normal physique for someone to attain. And you don't get tested for it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions. And then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commissions testing because it's only one day.

59:09So it was really more, they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test. Yeah. And so then they started using USADA and USADA would just randomly test people. And then they started catching people. And that's when physiques really changed. Yeah, I, you know, that year, I'll say it, that year when those baseball players were hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing. Yeah. And you're looking at them and going, sheesh. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Summer is great, isn't it? It's the perfect season for adventures, but it can also be pretty exhausting juggling chaotic schedules and trying to make the most of summer.

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1:00:37Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was the best. Yeah. They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun. I'll tell you what, the viewers were tuning in. A hundred percent. Yeah. The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds. Yeah. Barry went from 185 to da-da-da-da-da. I met Barry when he was normal-sized, when he was like a normal athlete, and then he just got giant. But also, he was a great baseball player first. First. And then you give him all those steroids, and now he's got all this muscle, and he's just cracking them out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away.

1:01:16They should have turned their head away. Boy, I'll tell you what. I don't see nothing. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go. That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back in a minute. The problem is it's the great American pastime, and you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating. Yeah, that's... Yeah. Look, there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame and are getting barred from the Hall of Fame. That's true. Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player with that.

1:01:54Fantastic player. Yeah. Mark McGuire. And so was Mark McGuire. And so was Sammy Sosa. Yeah. Didn't need it. No. I don't... Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed. Maybe they didn't think they'd get caught. These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice. They got enormous. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time, though. Yeah. Fun time for baseball. You know, I remember people asking me, they said, you didn't know your guys were on steroids? And hell, I didn't know what steroids was. I remember one time I was at the Hall of Fame.

1:02:31That was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids. Right, you took cortisone. Yeah, I didn't correlate the differences. And one guy comes up to me, you idiot. There's two types, at least, that we know of. And I didn't know. That's actually funny. You know what? Let me tell you the truth. Tell me the truth. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he on? I just held out. They're lifting weights, brother.

1:03:08They're just lifting weights. God bless them. you know well that's a good attitude to have yeah and then they say well your team was on steroids well if that's the case wasn't illegal everybody was doing it right not only that but let's be realistic most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best and if uh you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're going to take steroids, especially when it's legal. Yeah, it just... Especially when it's legal. You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence, it was.

1:03:45Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're going to have a bunch of people that want an edge. And there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids, right? Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle. Blueberries are good for your brain. Blueberries are good for your brain. Franco Harris used to tell me, Brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco, you're not going to believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you.

1:04:15Yeah, it's good for your brain. Good for your brain. They are. And I love blueberries. Yeah. A lot of antioxidants in them, too. Yeah, blueberries are just great, period. Yeah. But when you're doing things for your body when you're a professional athlete, of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. if you want to get bigger that's the way to do it what are we doing here? do you think they do it today? do you think they don't do it today? that's the real question they definitely do something they do whatever the fuck they can get away with do you see how big these kids are coming out of high school?

1:04:48well there's also genetics people change kids are eating better, training better more nutrition exactly they're huge I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about maybe 260. 260. Wow. That's like a 100 pounds difference in today, right? Now you're having these coaches, my offensive line this year is going to be 6 '5", 372. And you go, whoa. That's huge. And then they'll say something like, but got quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40. You've been on the sideline? I've watched videos. I haven't been live. Go to the sideline.

1:05:35Go to the sideline. Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. Look at that. Seven foot 380. Oh, my God. Look at that. As an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. As an eighth grader, he was 6 foot 10, 450 pounds in fucking junior high school. Junior high school. Yeah, you know, Desmond Weston. Look at Desmond Watson. Where's he going? 464 pounds. Heaviest player. Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL. Yeah. NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big. Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and nothing rolled over. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. They were flat-bellied. They were in shape because we ran a— We ran a – our game was all about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that.

1:06:35They had to run. They had to run, and they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you're going to pull this guy at 400 pounds? I mean, so if I were coach today, just my thinking, what I want, I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers. Billy John, William Earl, y 'all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No, 380 or whatever. They can't run gassers. They can't run gassers. Or run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, 30 pounds. Now, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started, and I turned to Howie.

1:07:26Howie's always at. We're always together. I went, holy. Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big, giant dude that maybe can't run gassers but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall? Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards. That's what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up. Right. I understand. That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously you're a fan of the game still, and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when, like, 1970, your first year in the NFL? We're talking about it.

1:08:00But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game? Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. Size. Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275. Wow. 275. Jack Lambert, 218. Ed Middle Linebacker, Hall of Famer. How big was Jim Brown in his prime? Jim Brown? I never played against Jim Brown. It was before your time. How big was Jim Brown? Probably 220, maybe 215. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So I always say size-wise, we can't do it. And then, of course, if you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. But size-wise, size-wise. Now, I will say this. The wide receivers, the quarterbacks, and running backs could play today.

1:08:46And probably the tight ends. but then when you get my center weight 252 and i always say since i'm in the cattle business i'll take a little young bull i'll take my angus bull over your charolet bull anytime your charolet bull is going to be or simmental is going to be huge up off the ground but my angus bull is going to get under him and be able to control him with with with with technique and wait a minute you got bulls fighting each other is that what you're saying no joe you're not listening. I'm trying to listen. You're okay. You get some rest last night. I did. Okay, good. Fully rested. Worked out to make everything.

1:09:22Right? Yeah. Got a big bull. The little bull can get under him. He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull. Got it. The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull. I understand what you're saying. He's got all the mass and the weight outnumbered him. Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Woo! Right? That's a bad sucker. Bad as it gets. Bad. Baddest man ever. He came in a restaurant I was in, and he saw him, and he came over, and he pulled up a chair. There was an aisle, and I'm sitting over here next to the wall, and then there's dinner chairs here. He went over.

1:09:53He pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle, and we talked about Johnny Unitas for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes. That guy studies warriors and athletes and former generals. Really? Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and him, we had this long conversation. He knew his original name, which is Temujin. Do you know anything about Genghis Khan? Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed. There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History.

1:10:30It's a podcast. And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries. and I got obsessed. Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy. But he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah. Yeah, Mike studies, like, conquerors, you know? People would know that. Yeah. He's a very smart guy. Yeah, people would know that. Mike is a very interesting guy.

1:11:04He's not what people think of. If you think of Mike Tyson as being this, like, mindless destroyer, he's very intelligent. Do you ever think about why do athletes have an image? My image was I was the dumb guy. You ever ask yourself a question? Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him? But prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it? No. Maybe later in his career. But you'd have to watch a guy fight like that. And he fought so brutally. And if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good.

1:11:50It's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. and he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs. A short guy. He was like 5 '11 in his prime. There you go. There's the bull issue right there. Bull, like 20-inch neck. I mean, he was a tank. Powerful. His manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian, and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchel to Jack Dempsey, like all the old time fighters and Mike would watch those on a all day long so he would train and they would watch these guys all day long so he had an access to film footage that most fighters all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the 80s there was no there was no vhs tapes you know there was there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then so when Mike this is when Mike was like 13 so Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film of the greatest sugar ray robinson the greatest boxers of all time willie pep rocky marciano he's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like it takes intelligence to do that like it's not a that's not what a dumb guy would do a dumb guy wouldn't see oh when he does this it's because of that so he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him beautiful i'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to how to find those patterns in I always thought because you hear a counter punch do you know how hard how hard it is and I'm not a boxer but when someone you you watch their training and then and then they're like when does this counter punch do you know how fast that you know how fast that brain oh yeah has to work for you to counter punch oh you have to be lightning fast lightning fast and you have to have trained it a thousand times you want to be hit all day long in the face in the stomach it's a tough way to make a living but so is football and especially back when you guys were playing when they would just different for sure but not boxing holy yeah i met i met muhammad ali one time i was six three and a half i'm six one and a half now and i was looking up to him and i'm sure he wasn't any taller but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed and you know we got we had a we had a great first time meeting he was a fan of mine I didn't know it it was like that made me great and I went to a couple of banquets that he was at and he had sent notes down to me to come down and say hello to him well he's you know I'm gonna bother him and I'd go I'd go down hey hey hey champ how you doing it's Terry Bradshaw yeah yeah hey have you heard this one he tell me a joke a joke that's the last thing i expected you know from muhammad ali yeah but i loved muhammad ali that was a incredibly incredibly intelligent guy and also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking and we hated him for it i didn't like him did you like him i loved him but i didn't like him i was younger yeah i didn't like him i i grew up in an era of respect Right.

1:15:16You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise when it's all said. You respect your opponent. You don't showboat. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I was raised. And actually the way I was coached. And I had a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone, he'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White, he's a good dude, you know. But I didn't like it at all. I just don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself.

1:15:59If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you. But when you're playing a team event, somebody else had to do that job too. Right. I just had a hard time with that. I see what you're saying. Yeah. In a team sport. But in boxing, boxing is just one-on-one. But you still didn't like it even in boxing. Bragging. Yeah. Now I look back. Now, of course, I love it now. Yeah. But he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare. Yeah. That's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him.

1:16:37Yeah, he was just fucking with that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and like making sure that all day long he's thinking about him and and he also Thought he was a legitimate insane person like the way he was acting. He was not acting like a rational person So he was worried all the time. So he's like worried. You're around this insane person. Well You ever see the video where they better be you listen if if you can do if you can do that And back it up which he did he did then I tip my hat to you. Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino? No. So Sonny Liston was at a casino.

1:17:13I think Sonny was playing cards and Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy shit and Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him. So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this. You want to play crazy? Let's play crazy. See if you can find that video, Jamie. The video's amazing. It's amazing. Because he just pulls this, and then he shows. He shoots. Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab his headphone.

1:17:48Yeah, pull it up. Bring it back to the beginning. Drawing a gun, Sonny Fox. Whoa! Yeah. The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing. Listen was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south Drawing a gun Sonny fired frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat It was filled with blanks So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank Crazy though so he was prepared That's crazy brother. That's pretty smart Is it? Yeah, because you got this guy's acting crazy.

1:18:31Like, I'm going to out-crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out-crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks and just pull it out. Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. What? Well, okay, that wasn't even Sonny Wilson. What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Wilson? That absolutely was Sonny Liston. It says it's from a movie. Bro, that's Sonny Liston. Ali played himself dramatizing retelling of his own life that man with the gun is an actor, not Sonny Liston.

1:19:06Let me see that again. The casino is a movie set. What? That's what it says. So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened? There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali. What? The dramatic clip circulating online, the one in nearly every rare footage post, is a scene from a 1977 film called The Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again. Can I see the video again? That's crazy. There you are. That's crazy. I would have swore that Sonny Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator over a narrator. Wasn't Sonny Liston bald? No. No, Sonny Liston wasn't bald.

1:19:44No? Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry. All right, there you have it. Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training. So he was, back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. When he went to prison? What's that? When he went to prison? Yeah, he went to prison. But it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson. It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good. That good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance.

1:20:24They thought that he was going to get killed. because Ali was a very good fighter. He was up and coming, really fast with his footwork and his movement, but everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor. Is that the actor that was in Magnum P.I.? I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E. Mosley. Yeah, Magnum P.I. Aha! Look at you. Look at me. You proud of yourself? A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So find some footage of Sonny Liston training.

1:21:04Even on this, some of this I think has already got some AI footage in it. Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the—there's Sonny. And there's footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the bag. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy. And everyone was scared of him back then. You know, because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Briar, he had massive hands. And, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he had—look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power.

1:21:42But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just fuck with his head. It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch, did it? That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston main fight. Oh, that's the second one? Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that—so he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary. You ever boxed? I did some boxing. I did it one time. I did kickboxing, but I didn't do any like sport boxing. Oh, kickboxing. Oh, you get that.

1:22:13Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that. But I boxed one time, one round. Yeah. And I said, that's it. That's it. Yeah. Again, it's like cooking duck. It's something you've got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're going to be good at it. Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. Not only that, I don't want to be hit. Yeah. Yeah, not fun. Well, back in the day, in your day, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No. Nothing. Concussion protocol. Hop right back in, son.

1:22:53Are you awake? I played against the Minnesota, no, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out. And I mean, knocked out. And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in. Played pretty good, too. Wow. Not bad. Lost the game, but yeah. So you got knocked out, woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up. Well, something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter, I think. I scored on a touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Different. Different. Different. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?

1:23:33They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL, so they'll tell you to get him out. Right. And they go into a tent, and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in. How much time do they make them take off before they let them play again? But they have to get evaluated every week. So it could be. What is that? Little baby cigars. It's when you don't want to finish a big one. Oh. Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos. Oh, okay. I like these sometimes. All right. So, but when they do that and these guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30-day rule?

1:24:14No, it's not 30 days, but they do go. So they go in and they keep getting evaluated. And they have to – you'll have some guys – There's no set timeline for discovery. There you go. For recovery, rather. Players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom-limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them, like it's a 90-day hold. And then some of them have like 60-day no contact, so they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days.

1:24:55If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that, the best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school, a guy by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Minden High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I think the ball hits my leg, and it hits the ground, and it's going, boom, boom. And I'm chasing it. And by the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it, I pick my head up, boom, out, out. I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game, and I mean, it's the best game I played in high school. dead Joe dead serious best game best game I played in high school maybe I wasn't worried I don't know but that's what I was going to ask you it's crazy and I I went in listen I went I've been to a couple of clinics just for just for brain work just to get get checked out yeah all the tests that they could possibly do extensive test because I was having trouble remembering did I open the gate did I open the gate this morning right right where i put my keys i opened the gate i'm sure i opened the gate and i'd push the button and when the button's green the gate is moving and then it goes red it stopped i mean it goes yellow it stopped then i push a button it goes red it's holding it's staying open six times i remember six times and i'm like did i push this button then i remember i remember okay this something's wrong a second someone got checked yeah how long ago was this Years ago.

1:26:38Years. 30 plus years ago. And did they do something for you? Golly, did they? No, I don't think so. I don't think anything came from... I remember testing. I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was not a shocker, but was a shocker. I think everybody has that. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's any good at anything, has it? Yeah. Creative people have ADD. Creative people and people that are like really into one thing. Yeah. Like full on into it. Well, they say, well, you're focused on this. Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused. Right. When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem. Exactly. I'm focused.

1:27:19But if I'm taking geometry, you're going to jump. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No interest. Exactly. No interest. Yeah. So, yeah. So that. If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus. I mean, you got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people. Right. And I know you got to be interested in them. You have to be interested. Yes. You've got to be interested. It's going to come across. I think there's people that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything, and God bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have to be interested in what I'm talking about.

1:27:46You had Bradley Cooper on. Love Bradley Cooper. Yeah, he did. He's awesome. With the brain guy, the atom bomb. Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer movie. He was in that movie? That's right. He directed it. That's right. And he was in it. He directed it, right? No, he did. He did, right? He didn't direct it. What's that? Christopher Nolan. That's right. It's Christopher Nolan directed it. They directed it. But Bradley was in Oppenheimer? Yes. Yes. What was his role? He's been at so many things, I forgot. Was he in Oppenheimer? No. Okay. Oh, my bad. What are you thinking of? The music guy. The maestro. Yeah.

1:28:23He directed that and starred in it. Oh, yes. Oh. Yes. Phenomenal. I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley in Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years. I was just checking to see if you were paying attention. We're good. That dude who played Oppenheimer, Cyril. He won an Oscar. Did he win an Oscar? At least he was up for it. Cyril Murphy, right? Yeah. That guy is phenomenal in, what? Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy. Well, anyway. He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders. Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper Bradley's. Well, real acting, right?

1:29:00Real acting. Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy. And you were probably Joe, right? I played Joe. And I'm Jerry Bradshaw. Exactly. And I've done like five movies. And people say, oh, no, no, no. I'm no actor. But like, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis type acting. Whoa, that's him? That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. That's Bradley. My God. The fucking makeup they do today is insane. He was amazing in that movie. Isn't that crazy? They can make it look that realistic. That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Did you see the movie? That is amazing. Did you see it?

1:29:35I did not. When you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it? I did not. I would have probably. I'd be like, oh, yeah, I saw it. No. It's like I had a guy, we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years. I didn't know his name. And this buddy of mine, how you doing, get over here. I'm like, he knows this guy. And they're going on. Give me a hug. You son of a gun. And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes, what's my name? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh, my God, this is hilarious. That is hilarious.

1:30:20He didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue. Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open, too. May have. I mean, give the guy a break. May have. Give the guy a break. But still. He sat a few head dings. You know what I do all the time, and I'll tell people this. What? Look, what's your name again? Joe? Joe. Hey, I may ask you again what your name is, and then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right. I don't want to sit here and not know who you are. People get mad at that. Do they? Yeah, I don't think they should get mad at that. I don't think they should get mad at that.

1:30:57It's just a thing that happens to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. Do you know what Dunbar's number is? No. Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory. Because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people. Where are you getting all this? I just remember things. Somebody tell you this? Somebody. Oh, definitely. I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain. Oh. So you have five. Which one are you? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where are you? Where do you mean? Where are you in five?

1:31:31Well, you are zero. Your patient is zero, and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. Okay. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're not quite as close as, like, the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. I don't have 15. And then there's a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances and then 1 ,500 people that are recognizable. You know what's funny? I make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is, oh, he's a friend of mine. I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Winkler.

1:32:04I know Henry Winkler, too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart. And my wife says, and I'll say, I have his number. I have his number in my phone. And I do have Henry's number. But I'll say, well, so-and-so, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend. I do the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's just my wife will say, when did you talk to them last? Well, I haven't. These people I haven't talked to for years and years and years. They're still my friends. I'm a friendly guy. Yeah, I like a lot of people. I do. But in my circle, we all surround ourselves.

1:32:47Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with, and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle, horses and cattle. The people that book me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie, dear friend. Kirk Menifee, dear friend, dear friend, different. I work with him. I love being around him. I have a habit of telling you I love you. Joe, I love you, man. I love you too, Terry. I love you, man. I do the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See, do you really love him? I do. Well, it means, no, what it means is I like you more than I just like.

1:33:26You're just, I'm elevating you a little bit here. And my wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number? I said, yeah, I got their number. And their friends are yours? Yeah, their friends are yours. When's the last time they talked to them? Well, I hadn't talked to them in a few years. But if you're friends with a lot of people, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I'm friends with. If I see them, I'm going to hug them. But I haven't talked to him in years. You ever told someone this? You ever told someone this? Hey, you know what?

1:33:59Before you became really famous, we used to be really close and now we're not. You ever said that? No. Okay, I have. So before, when they're famous or you're famous? Joe, I've been famous a long time. Long time. Long time. Yeah. Long time. Long time. But I've actually, my problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them. That's a good problem. I like being with them. Yeah. And then you don't ever hear from them. But if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I? I take it personal. Do you really?

1:34:43Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I'm going to text you and say, Hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer? How's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months ago, I hadn't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how you doing, man? It's good to see you. I mean, how you doing? Oh, so you get upset if you're the one always initiating. I don't want to always initiate. I understand. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. That's insecurity. I just finished this book.

1:35:16and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them and that's not always the case. Well, you're a very friendly guy. I am. Yeah. I wish I weren't. Why? I don't know why. It's great. I like being friendly. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story? Yes. All right, here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain because you've got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90-day trial and error. So I'm doing the steroids, and I'm eating my ass.

1:35:57Boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep, and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job of eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. my wife and I are in Kmart nice Kmart, it's closed now but it's really nice Kmart so we're in there and we're getting stuff for the house and stuff and we're going down the aisles and people are going, hey Terry how you doing you know I'm doing good I'm a little puffy right now I'm on stair roads, I put on quite a bit of weightage you probably can see you know I'm a little embarrassed but it's going to get it balanced out oh yeah sorry to hear about that Hey, Terry, how you doing?

1:36:43Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking, you know, I'm on steroids. I got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe. Three or four times in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car. My wife, who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey, listen. When people say, how you doing, Terry? They don't want to hear about steroids.

1:37:15They don't care. They recognize you and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I'm like, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh my God, I can't believe it. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target. Massive Target. Awesome Target. You know, yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do. I shop at Target. Do you? Yeah. I love Target. You go to Walmart? I've been to Walmart. I've been to Walmart. It's been a couple of years. Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas in Walmart.

1:37:57We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. It's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target. My wife's daughter told me. So we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy and we're going down the aisle. Hey, Terry, how you doing? How am I doing? I said, man, you're not going to believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis. And I've been taking steroids and I'm really put on a lot of weight. I'm really puffy. Now, I stand up. Joe, no kidding. And I lean down and I pull my pants leg up where my sock is. And I push my sock down. and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding.

1:38:41Right. And when I put my hand down and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just started laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you've got rheumatid. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me. Caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Just being genuine. Yeah, what are you going to do? There's nothing wrong with that. No. Nothing wrong with that. No. That's way better. I'm not apologizing. Yeah. But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with that. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite.

1:39:20Is your wife super friendly? She's friendly. Yeah. She's friendly? Yeah. Is she friendly as you? Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah. Can you go anywhere in Austin? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you talk to a lot of people. You're going to talk to people, but most people are really nice. All right. So it's not a problem. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi. Hey, how you doing? Shake your hand. Yeah. Give you some knuckles. Yeah. Take a selfie? Yeah. Yeah. Take a selfie. Yeah. I like selfies. I mean, I don't see what the problem is. There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy.

1:39:52Yeah. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about, you're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You've probably met a million people. Like, literally a million people. But if you were in bad shape right now, you've got people you'd call, you've got a handful you could call? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. They really care about you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that's how everybody is, like a handful. You have a handful that you really care about. And you know what? To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort.

1:40:27It does. And if you're 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all, we start here and we. Yes. Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately. Man, love. Are you kidding? Yeah. That is. Have you ever, have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your, your buddy? And then that sucker, 15 or 16, whatever, and just boom. Some of them. Yeah. You go, whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it alone. And then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that.

1:41:09I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I'm sorry. Look, I told you. I'm sorry. Then they do it again. Look. Yeah. I said I'm sorry. And then hang up. That's it. Well, some people just don't want to be happy. They don't. And they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wronged them or something's disrespectful or something. It's just distractions. Most of it is distractions.

1:41:50It's a personality flaw. I had a—this just happened yesterday. Did you? I'm not going to mention their name because they're— Okay. So I tell this person, they had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old, and they were showing it and did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World Show, which is the Super Bowl, but he needed another year of growing training. So I brought him home. Crazy about these people. Been with them years. I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever, and that's been 40-something years ago. Anyway, so I'm over there. They came to church.

1:42:33I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago, and they came. I asked them, come, I'm singing in church. And they said, okay, great. So they came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher, and they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right? They came back yesterday. We have a meet and greet during the service. I got up and went, oh, man, it's great to see you. And not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job, I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley.

1:43:05And saw Bradley fell in love with him. And I sent him home with him. He's going to show him. Oh, bub, it wasn't pretty. Got mad. Got real in church. Got mad. Got upset. and I just cold chills went over him. I went, I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer and they got this horse looking as good as he did. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer and I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very, one of them was really upset with me in church.

1:43:52And so preachers up getting restarted. I had to go get back in my seat. And then one of them, I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some of the trainer. And I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that. Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured it was no big deal, right? My horse. and do with it what I want. Throughout the service, which was a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying, I found myself during that service, you ready for this, praying that God would help me go make things right with them because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much.

1:44:38So when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed them. I said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't. And I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right because it just killed me. But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy. That's great. I hope so. Yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them. What's wrong with them? Oh, it ruined my service. That's because you're a good guy. And I drive a long way to go to church.

1:45:13That's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better. Absolutely. And I bet you did make it right. And I didn't do it. You didn't do it on purpose? It wasn't in. Exactly. Of course. Of course. Well, sometimes people don't think, you know, I mean, some people. You ever done that? You ever go into someone and say, hey, I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was. And I want you to know he was my best friend at the time. And we have not spoken since. That's now. Well, some people are not that kind. That's not on me.

1:45:46No, that's on him. That's on him. Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people. And generally those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person. Man, this guy's life is not a mess, but I just... Well, why is he so touchy? Look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me. You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting... And you're probably saying, hey, are you okay with this? And I'm going to tell you, you know, no, I'm not. I'm not OK with that.

1:46:18Well, then I would apologize. That's what I'm. Yeah. My point. And if you said something that pissed me off, I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately. But you've already said I'm a good guy. I'm not going to do that. People don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part. Some do. Some people do. But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place. And you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them. No. But when you're close to someone, you love someone, you got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that people are human and humans make mistakes.

1:46:47When you've been friends for as long as I have been with this one person, I have another person. What was the issue? The issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. That's it? Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I suck. I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. Now, I love to play, and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little$5 bet and it's not much. But I love to say, oh, nice shot. It's fun. Me. Me. I know I'm an asshole. Right. You know the bad side of you, right? You know your bad side. I know mine. I know mine. Yeah. My wife calls it Roy. Oh, you have a different guy inside of you?

1:47:28What is that movie? True Grit? Primal Fear. Oh, okay.

1:47:37And he looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when I'm going into a dark area. Edward Norton's character? Yes. Was it Roy? Yes. I think it was Roy. That movie was great. Oh. That turn at the end. Oh, did it have you fooled? Yeah. Oh, I'm lost. 100%. I was like, what? I know. Great. At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa. Whoa. That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him in on the podcast. You've had him? Oh. Yeah, very interesting guy. Yeah, I find actors in general very— Well, they're really good ones. Yeah, they are. Cooper, I love.

1:48:19McConaughey, I've done a movie I love. He's great. Great guy, too. Who else do it? George Foreman. Also very smart. Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late Than Never. never got to know him in two years never got to know him in two years really never got to know him in two years how come he totally didn't associate with any of us we have lunch he'd sit over here with his son so at dinner he said over here with his son i i it could be i would only guess that he's shy he didn't like the fact that we drank oh he didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher right and i asked him one time i said george how big is your congregation he said 120 I said really how long you been doing this I think he said something maybe 20 years or something I said because I've been taught as a Baptist that is a preacher your congregation grows right right right right your congregation grows and um I said so how many 120 I said oh wow it's small I said you building you're growing he said no 120 is enough and I He went, 120 is enough?

1:49:24I said, so George, when do you start preparing your sermon? Do you start on Tuesday like most preachers? No. Oh, you don't? So when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday? No. So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say. Wow. Okay. You're going to argue with George Foreman? I'm not. But that was like, all right, brother. Yeah, I'm not arguing. But yeah, he was, I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just. It was blocked. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time. A long time.

1:50:09And he's probably figured out how to block people out. And also he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know. He knew better when he lost to Thrill in Manila. He knew better. It was Rumble in the Jungle. Oh, okay. Well, they both rhyme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. He knew how to promote a fight. But he knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said I was so tired. Yeah. and he and i went you're kidding he said yeah he said the hit the hit was nothing nothing but he went down he just thank god i'm down i can get some hair and get some breath he was definitely exhausted oh that was a strategy he knew what was going on he but he thought with his power he'd break a rib or something you know well he had so much power oh i mean when he fought joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch.

1:51:15I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. He hit so hard. How can you be that quick? I mean, that big. Yeah. Well, that's his job. Impressive, man. Oh, he was very impressive. I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like the Sonny Liston fight. And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out. Really? Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time.

1:51:55So they flew him over there to cover that fight. You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball because I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay. Who's Hunter? I had no idea who that guy was. You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is? Why would I know him? You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson? No. The very famous journalist. Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No. He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book? No. The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson?

1:52:33He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works. Really? It's a fantastic story. Hey, listen. That's Hunter Thompson. When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife, and I went to a big cattle sale. To your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now, I just played it off. All right? I didn't want to embarrass myself. But then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care. I get it. So I go to this cattle sale. This auctioneer is out there, and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw.

1:53:06So I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards. and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on? In auctioning off stuff. Terry, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines? Now see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction and he's a cow auctioneer. He's not supposed to sell cars. When you think cars, Limousines. That's what I would have thought. That's what I would have thought. I was about to say to him, oh, my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my ex-wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars?

1:53:55And he goes, oh, sweetie. And I'm like, this is the funny shit here, boy. That's hilarious. What a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle. Oh, that's a limousine cattle. There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? What? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. That's Jamie. Jamie, you're amazing, man. He's the best. When he's sober, he is numb better. Serious. When he's sober? When he's sober. You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God. It's even better. But anyway, I thought, you know, I should write a book about some of this stuff.

1:54:34You should. I should why not I don't know I think I got enough time yeah maybe a documentary maybe just sit down with someone I haven't tell tell all these stories yeah you think nobody care about these stories they would absolutely edit them up do a good job with the editing should I start a podcast yeah no I don't Terry Bradshaw experience no I don't think no no you know you know what Joe listen you started this 15 years ago or something like that yeah do you have any did I do it would be like this? No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on? Well, you would only do it if you like doing it.

1:55:13I would not like doing it. Well, then don't do it. I don't want to. Look, I got enough on my plate right now. Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you. Besides that, who's going to come on my show? A lot of people would come on the Terry Bradshaw show. No, I don't think so. I came on your show when you had a TV show. Did you? Yeah. What show was that? Were you on a TV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. I was a guest. When I had the Fox show? Whatever that talk show thing you did was. Get out. Yeah. You were one of my star guests? I was a guest when I was on news radio. That was a sitcom.

1:55:46Yeah. Oh, well. I believe it was news radio. It was a long time ago, Jerry. Oh, I remember. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, no, no. Yeah, you were great, by the way. No, I loved you, man. You were great. We talked about limousine cattle. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Hunter Thompson. What are you drinking? Oh, you're drinking coffee now. It was a hoot. Smart. Yeah. Yeah, that was a fun show. I don't remember you. But you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast. I did a radio show once.

1:56:19How was that? It was good. It was good, but it was just hard to get people. Really? Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. Well. Where were you doing it out of? L.A. Oh, so many people in L.A. How is that hard to get people? When I had my daytime show in L.A., I couldn't get anybody. Really? I got Whoopi Goldberg one time. But you're laughing for me. How is she? Was she fun? Yeah, she was a blast. Yeah, she was. She was the biggest thing we ever had on this show. She's probably fun when she's not on The View. Yeah. I don't know about The View. All those hands get together.

1:56:58I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside. Hug a tree. I had Whoopi. You know who I really? I had Charlton Heston. Now you're talking. How is he? Fabulous. Yeah? I couldn't. The show, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated. He was so nice. You know, is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you, And that's my understanding. You won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with. No, if I'm not interested in talking to them. So I'm very honored to be here today. But can you imagine having people on that are just jerks? Yeah. Or interviewing them. And it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview?

1:57:50You know, it's just, God.

1:57:54But Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour. Just me and him. It was kind of like this. He was amazing. He was like one of the first big actors that was publicly conservative. Well, he did the NRA. They caught hell for that. Was he the head of the NRA at one point in time? No, no, no. It was a part of the NRA. Part of it. I think he did something with the NRA. Yeah. Yeah, but he was huge. He famously was like, you could have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. Yeah, my brother has, I don't have many guns. I'm like, what do you do with all those guns?

1:58:35Man, you got to have guns. I said, Gary, he's got those rifles that shoot 5 ,000 rounds in 10 seconds. What are those things called? AR-15. Yeah. He's got five or six. What do you do with all those guns? Yeah, you never know when you're going to need a gun. There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh, my God, they are. Yeah. And I got a bunch of guns, but everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns. You don't shoot guns at all? No. No? No. My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been burglarized six times. Have you really? Yeah. Where do you live? I got shot at with a shotgun.

1:59:19This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun. Flames. And I'm running in the backyard to get in my car. And this guy goes around the backside. Boom! Where was this? And flames and BBs. And I get in the old GTO, 1970 GTO, yellow and black. Oh, man, get her done. Yeah, boy. This is nice. And I got in. But I'm used to pushing the button or in reverse you go down, right? I pull it down. I turn around. I hit the brake. I go forward right in through the wall. Realized you got to go one click. Yeah, it was not good. Not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything.

2:00:07So where did you get burglarized six times? Ruston. Ruston, Louisiana. Mansfield, Louisiana on my ranches. Yeah. On your ranches? Yeah. So they came onto the ranch. How big was the ranch? 400 acres at the time. Oh, so they had to do some driving to get to the house. And they had to go through the gate I locked. So how did they get in? And let me tell you something. You were laying in bed at night, and it's 1 a.m. in the morning, and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house. All right? and a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this.

2:00:52I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe. And you don't. And I'm laying down like this and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too young to know this. Remember, well, the prince's phone? You know what the prince's phone is? Prince's phone? You know, everything we've been talking about today, you've been throwing all kind of shit up here, and you don't know what a princess phone... Are you saying prince phone? Princess. Princess. Princess. Princess phone. It's a phone. It was one of the first push-button phones. You didn't have to... Okay. It's princess. So I took my...

2:01:26Look at you. That's a princess phone, Jamie. There you go. Thank you so much. Did you know what that is, Jamie? No. Look, look. Look, Joe. I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my Prince's phone. I take the receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dials and I dial. And my uncle, who lives 200 yards away, I get the phone. Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you. I pull the phone up. I'm laying back, trying so he can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby, I got a burglar. He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down and he goes, and you can see the guy hears my uncle coming.

2:02:16And this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through the... I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kitchen. Same place? No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. He was looking through the dishes? He was making noise. Only thing I could fear was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in the Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office. So the only thing I could figure is trying to run, but he ran me off.

2:03:00Or he might have just been drugged up. I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. He might have been on drugs. I wanted him to figure out to find out. I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off. Same house? Yeah. Yeah. Six. Six of these I had. Jeez. You ever been shot at? So you were running away from these guys. What's his name again? I forgot his name. Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie. One more time, son. I'm going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right. One more. I told you three times, right? All right. I got you down now. So this same place, why did you keep getting broken into this one place?

2:03:37I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Another guy came down. He stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out. No security? No. No security system? Nothing? No. I got dogs now. And now I've had, since Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a guard dog. But I will not leave my wife at home. My wife and I in 22 years have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife. What kind of guard dog did you get? German Shepherd. I got him from Wayne Simonovic in South Carolina.

2:04:26Okay, so you got a trained dog. I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him a female this year. Her name is, we named her after the Viking character Freya. Freya, the queen. Freya. So I'm going to breed those because I'm tired of spending$20 ,000 for it. So I'm going to raise my guard dog. Nice. Nice. And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them. Right. You don't play with them. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. They do work. They don't mess around. Right. They don't mess around. They're serious. Yeah. They're serious.

2:05:02They're soldiers. Yeah, exactly. You got a dog? Sucks, yeah. What do you got? I have a golden retriever. I love them. They're great, but he ain't guarding shit. No, I know. Hey, y 'all, come on in. There's ice cream up there. Y 'all open it. We'll share it. He'll let everybody in. I've got eight dachshunds. I have another dog. That's a King Charles Cavalier. Do you know what those are, the little tiny dogs? Yeah, I do. Oh, my God, he's so adorable. Yeah. He jumps in the pool, and he's a year old, and he's started swimming over the last couple months, and he gets so excited that he whines. like you think he's in pain or something.

2:05:40He's talking. He's talking. He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water. Really? Oh, he loves it. Two of my dachshunds talk constantly. Oh, really? Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a black miniature dachshund. And the other one is an Australian Shepherd looking black and tan, you know, spotty. Oh, they are precious. But baby girl likes to get on my chest. When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth.

2:06:20And I wake up. And I know exactly what's up. And I sit there and I go, what time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on. Oh, my God. It's 11 o 'clock. You've got to be kidding me. I'll take them outside and they'll go potty. This is good. Once, normally, a lot of times never, but once, max. Last night, three times. Three times. Oh, yeah, 1.30. 1.30. Oh, what? You've got to pee again? You've got to be kidding me. So I slide to the right. Down off the bed, these two come. We go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole.

2:07:08And I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway. And they're looking at me like, what are we doing? I'm like, you got to pee, right? No, no, not really. So I go back at 3.30. Here I go again. And they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know. So sometimes they just want to wake you up. They just, yeah. I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay? Me too. I got 10 dogs now. Do you really? Oh, yeah. So 10 dogs and two serious guard dogs. Two badass dogs. Yeah, so those are not pets. Well, the one guard dog is badass. The other one's going to be badass. Yeah. And you know what? When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but what are you doing?

2:07:55What is that? This is ultra. It's a nootropic. Do you know what that is? No. It's essentially brain vitamins. How come you don't swallow it? Because it's a pouch. Like a nicotine pouch, same kind of thing. Oh, so you got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's not. You got a nicotine addiction? Is that what you're saying? This is not nicotine. What is it? You said nicotine. No, it's nootropics. Is that one of those things that you're into now? It's like brain vitamins. Is it like ivermectin? No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients. Sorry. It sucks that you have to have that. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

2:08:30Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes, we are. I'm upset with you now. No, no, no. You'll probably have me back on again. Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that? I was shocked. Yeah, you got off light. And I had another friend. You got off light. Yeah, I had another friend. That's a sensitive. Another friend I spent four days a week with because, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. we hung out his wife and i went to dinner all the time cooked out all the time and then one one day i said hey i mean we just recently passed away so hey man um i got us a tea time for more at 1 30 call me back nothing hey nothing two days three days four days five days a week two weeks a month nothing nothing nothing never heard up never heard from him again what happened His wife didn't like me.

2:09:26Whoa. That's what I found out. His wife didn't like you. Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Yeah, I think she's jealous of our relationship. Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys. And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm going to tell you that's special.

2:10:11That is special. That Fox show is so special. It is. You've seen this show, I assume. And we're just like a locker room. Well, that's how it's supposed to be. And we have so much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching, too. I think so. I think you're right. Yeah. People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah. That's giant. And we have fun. We had this one. I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends. Yeah. All right? You learn, don't go here, don't go there, which is fine. You want to make sure that, because we're on live television. So you don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television.

2:10:50Of course. So you learn where to go. and you build that trust and then that trust because you have the trust you bond. You become, hey, how you doing? Hey man, how was this week? How's your daughter? Great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just, you just get, everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's, I can't even begin, the day that that show is over for me and I hope I die on set which is I've always said if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set, Seriously? If I could just get a couple words out before I go. A good one. I don't want to just.

2:11:30It's one last good line. I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl. If I could just get something out. Yeah. You know? Forever. Immortal. Right? Right. Ah, great. Yeah. So I said, and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do it. You should. This is awesome. To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically. Yeah. Politicians don't agree with you. Religious people, whatever. And you just sit there and you build this, you know, you get to know these people. You ask all these questions. Or in my case, I'm just jumping around here.

2:12:11That's what I do. Well, he hadn't asked me about this. I like a jump around. Is it Simon? Jamie. Jamie. I told you. I told you. That's it. No, I got it. Oh, no. I got it. Young Jamie. No, young. Think of like Van Halen. Jamie's crying. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jamie's crying. Remember that song? Look, I got it here. Jamie. Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie, you married? Nope. Atta boy. Free man. Free. Ladies. How old are you, Jamie? Old enough. What did he say? I'm old enough. Old enough. What's that? What's old enough? Old enough to know. So how old are you, Jamie? 43. Hmm. Okay. Got a girl? Not right now. Ooh.

2:12:51Okay. He's free right now. Ladies. Young Jamie's on the prowl. Jamie, you on the prowl? Sure. All right.

2:13:04There's a lot of good-looking women in Austin, Texas, Jamie. There is. It's a good place. You need some help. You need me to put a good word in for you, Bubba? Let's go out tonight.

2:13:15I guess we need to move on, right? Yeah, let's move on. But anyway, in talking about that show, Well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer. It is. Listen, do you want to turn on a show like pregame? Come on, pregame shows. I watch them and I go, oh, God. Especially if it's stiff. You've ever done this? Shut up! Right. Shut up! Announce a guy doing the game. Shut up. Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football. Yeah. And you hear them talking, and you're like, what are they doing? You know what they're talking about?

2:13:53Stats. They get it all right here. Yeah. And let me tell you something. I hate stats. I hate them. They're okay occasionally, but they shouldn't be. If they make a real point. Yeah. But if all you've got is, well, 50-60 on third quarter, when the wind's blowing out of the southwest, well, yes. If it makes a point in a big, but otherwise. Right, right, right. I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story on Howie. Howie is my best friend on the show, without question. I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech.

2:14:36I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for it. It's big ass. What are you telling everybody I didn't grab? Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that. Anyway, so we're doing this show. And we had Jimmy Johnson on the show. Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. So Jimmy's telling this story, all right? And Jimmy's telling, and it's a funny story. And Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing. Stray hand. we're belly aching that's funny that's funny Jimmy Michael Strahan's next the director we got it all worked out it goes Jimmy Michael Terry Howie Jimmy Howie yeah Howie so Michael Strahan he adds to that story and it's even funnier oh my god stop stop right now oh god now it's my turn Now, I've got to, you're a comedian.

2:15:44You know, you've got to match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said, and we're rolling. Oh, God, stop. Oh, this is fun. This is killing me. Howie's turn. Howie looks at the camera. the outside linebacker for Seattle Bucky Buckhalter sprang his ankle in pregame warm up he won't be starting today for the Seahawks Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State

2:16:29what? What? And we go to commercial break. And I'm like, three, ha, ha, ha. One, oh. I'm looking at Howie, and I'm staring at Howie. I'm just like this. He feels me. He turns around and says, what? I said, you can't help it, can you? Help what? You know what I'm talking about. No, I don't. What are you talking about? and I said you're boring

2:17:06I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it and for the rest of the show he was hilarious well being boring and it was funny but you can't do that unless there's trust and Strahan the first day Strahan was on the show we gave him half a cake He said, why am I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced. You lost the other half to her. That's hilarious. Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun. No. That's not a good relationship. Well, you better know who you're joking around with. Yeah, but it's like if you can't joke around with someone, like, what's the point?

2:17:46That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke. You should be able to give a joke. You should be able to have fun with each other. You just got to know when. You just got to know when. Sure. I mean, friends know when. Sure. I mean, you know, I talk to Howie all the time, all the time. And his son, Kyle, just got signed with CBS for their Today show, which is great. Oh, that's awesome. Great. Great for him. And he's good. Howie did movies for a while, right? Howie was voted the up-and-coming star, and he had these three young kids, and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in L.A.

2:18:19Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found the school system, Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing movies. Good for him. Yeah. That's having your priorities together. I remember reading something about him talking about it, like his experience with movies. Like, he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. He could have been. Didn't someone hit on him, too? Hit on him? I think some guys hit on him. A guy hit on him? Is that true? Find out if that's true. I don't know if I'd find that out. Yeah, maybe don't look that up.

2:18:54Forget it. Don't look that up. But the point being... Simon. I mean... Jamie. Jamie. Simon, that's your new name, bro. I don't think Jamie, don't look that up. Yeah, don't look it up. I think I might have made that up. Or somebody might have told this to me. It might not be true. But the point is, like, he... He could have been... He did a bunch of big movies. Yes. And he was on his way to being a big action star. He was. Action star. Yeah. For sure. I mean, of course. Giant guy. Handsome. Good looking guy. Great body. Perfect for an action star. And then just, I like it when a guy realizes like this is, you know, life is short.

2:19:30He didn't want to raise my kids in LA. Yeah. Also, it's just like, you don't want to, you don't want, it's what, what you think that life is. It's not. Listen, I've done five movies and you've done, I don't know how many. And look, I don't want to sit around all day long and go in and deliver one line. Exactly. And here's the other thing. I'm not ever going to be a leading man I'm always going to be Terry Bracho and that just sucks seriously you always want to be Joe Rogan no you would like to be given an opportunity to really act well if I actually wanted to act well yeah but but I mean some people they just don't like to do it and I think with Howie it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money It looks good on paper.

2:20:20And then you start actually doing it and you realize like you've got to be away for five months filming this thing. He was away all year, one year, doing Firestorm. And he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think. Breaks you down. Three little kids. Yeah, it breaks you down. It's not good for you. No. You don't like it. It doesn't feel good. And I applaud him for that. And not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids? No. Why are you terrible?

2:21:02You know, I'm gone all the time. And it's kind of like getting that job. Yeah. I've got to have a job. I've got to go put a suit on. If you have to travel. You were saying that you give corporate speeches. Right. What do you do? What are those about? Species. Like what do you speak about? Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning. So I'm preparing a bank speech. What do you say to a bank, to a bunch of bankers? I know what I know. Is it about leadership? I know. Yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about – it's basically all the things that I know, Joe, have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people.

2:21:58So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used early with me. What did I use psychology with you? You know when you did it. You know. Right. Hey, Bernie, Bernie. He knows.

2:22:15And so you do different ones for different kind of corporations? Yeah. So it's kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you give speeches. Depends on what they want. Interesting. When did you start doing that? I've been doing it 43 years. Really? Wow. I know. It's amazing. That's crazy. And how did you get into that? I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Frito-Lay, and it was taped, and they paid me$5 ,000. And I was doing speeches for$1 ,200,$800,$50, and they offered me$5 ,000. Are you kidding me? I go down there, and it's for Frito-Lay, so I build this speech up, and da-da-da-da-da.

2:23:00And they go give this speech, and the speech is really good. and they taped it and they sent me a VHS copy. And my then wife put it on one day and thought, oh my God, this is really good and it's funny and so on. So she found out where the bureaus were, who booked speakers. There were 10 really good ones and she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different speaking associations. All right? We got that through Fran Tarkenden's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to it. So I come in, she says, I sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches. I'm like, what? She says, yeah.

2:23:45She says, you want to do this? You want to do that? And all of them were for$5 ,000. $5 ,000? Are you shitting me? I'm getting$5 ,000? $5 ,000? I'm like, oh, my God. $5 ,000? Really? I'm like, amazing. So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand. Wow. So I go to Hawaii on vacation. And I'm in Hawaii. And a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB, they speak nothing. They book political speakers. And they had Joe Theismann and Jim Valvano and maybe Lou Holtz, the three guys they had. So they call it the rainy day file, and they've got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time.

2:24:35Hey, Joe, will you come on your show? Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it over there. And eventually you go through it. Oh, we ought to have them on, right? That's kind of how it went. So one day they're looking at these tapes, and they're going, oh, no, spitting it, spitting it. Then they came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey, hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really, we'll put it on. and they put it on. I went, we want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii. I get a phone call. It's in the morning. Hello. This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape.

2:25:10We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da-da-da-da-da. Please call us back. I thought, what? So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's, what, 7 in the morning? So it's what? but it's 1 o 'clock their time, so I call them. And they said, look, we think you've got great possibility, and we think we can book you and book you a lot. And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why would I want to go one, one person? Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at$7 ,500 a speech. Excuse me? Did you say$7 ,500? $100. I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C., and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal.

2:26:05So they did, and I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal, 50 speeches,$7 ,500. Add that up, that's a pretty good chunk of dough. So I signed. I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at$10 ,000 in six months. You're going to book me for$10 ,000? Are you kidding me? That's crazy. Sure enough. So that's how you got into speeches. Yeah. So when you do speeches, like say a tire company calls you, whatever it is, do you write it out for that company? Never. I never write it. I do not write a word. I cannot write. I write here. So how do you plan out a speech?

2:26:54I write here. You just sit around and think about what you're going to say. Exactly. And over time, what speakers do, because I asked Jay Leno this one time. You're doing 100 stand-ups. And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year, and I do it all. I don't change anything under the name where I'm going. And so I'm like, oh. So I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put Tire Company in there and build it around that. And what else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin?

2:27:41McRaven, Admiral McRaven. Oh, okay. Have you had him on yet? No. Oh, my God. The guy that gives the 10 points of success? Yeah, I've seen those speeches. He was the head of Texas? Oh, amazing. The Osama bin Laden? That's his. That's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard. You haven't had him. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe. There's only so many days in a week you can do shows, you know? Can't have everybody on. Okay, man. Do you do a show every day? Four days a week. Okay, what's the day off? Usually Friday, but it shifts.

2:28:21Yeah. It shifts depending on what I got going on. But anyway, so I build a show according to what they're doing, and through all my reading, and I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor-wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor, and I mix the humor in and I incorporate the audience. And so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better? I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be a little bit up on things. I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a career out of this, gather all the knowledge you can gather.

2:29:10And so that's what I did. That's very smart. I started reading all these self-help books. And you know what? When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common, there's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. And I don't steal material, but I do still, I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company. I did that once. I did that once. I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5 ,000 people. And I went out there and I've got a style about me. It's a freelance. It's, hey, I work the crowd. I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good.

2:29:58And I haven't even started my speech in the meeting plan to the guy. Let's give it up. Give it up. Terry Bradshaw. Thank you, Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Bradshaw. They escort me off. Ten minutes. Ten minutes. So there's three. What happened? Why did they escort you off? He thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess. He obviously didn't look at my tapes. But I was just having fun with the crowd before I worked my way. Sometimes I'll go right into it. Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll hey-hey. I mess with them. Right. I'm just having fun. Yeah. Yeah. Out of there. Wow. Oh, I'm very. What kind of company was that?

2:30:50Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech. Yeah, bad. Well, some people are very impatient. Bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport. You know, when you what's right. And I said, what did I do? Something wrong. She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style. So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting? Excuse me. I would imagine that for— I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my— Oh, 100%. But that's what I was just going to say. I would imagine that. And if you win four Super Bowls, you know pressure.

2:31:21You know up and down. You know how to deal with—you get in the huddle. How do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays? Yeah. And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearms. number four, number four, where I had to go second and eight. Okay, look, second and eight. Here we go. Let's go. Let's go. And they're like, no, no, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, no. I don't want to run that. Let's go this. I totally ran the huddle. The whole thing. What do y 'all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do? I ran the huddle. I was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers.

2:32:09I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. I want to try this play, but what do you all think? And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are doing? As a sales team, you've got a sales manager, and the sales team's going back and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good idea. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos. Right. Competition. And that's how I ran the huddle. The huddle. And speaking is I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes I'm going to change my direction.

2:33:00And I can. I've been doing it 40-something years. I've got eight hours of material, not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week. So I can change it. And I've got to tell you, you're a stand-up comedian. Is there anything better than getting on stage and delivering a performance? And they are just laughing at everything. It's just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off and they're screaming, Joe, Joe, Joe. And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off or going out and go, hey, I didn't hear this the other day. What about that? And everything falls flat.

2:33:39And when you leave, you go off stage and you're not miserable. Miserable. Miserable. Sure. You don't want to be miserable. No. You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them. I want this to be a great experience for them and when you fail it's devastating devastating yeah yeah yeah so yeah they pay you well you think they pay you to be it they pay you to be entertaining yeah poor Jamie poor oh Jamie sorry Jay I'm sorry man yeah I mean I would imagine that it's a completely different thing but I'm a guy like you go and talk to a corporation and it's got to be very fun for them, you know, because, you know, you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl.

2:34:24Yeah. You're a guy who's like. My speeches are. Do you know who Joel Holstein is? I know the name. He's the preacher. Joel Olsten. Oh, what did I say? Holstein? Like the cow? Olsten, you're right. Olsten. Olsten, right? Olsten, right, yeah. Oh, he doesn't go to church. He doesn't know. It's Olsten. Yeah, that guy. He's a feel-good guy. He does the giant stadium preacher. God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain climbing. Look at my Rolls Royce. One of those good guys. You know, it's a good guy. And people need that in their life. I like to say, there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want my hand spanked.

2:35:08You know, I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank. It's fine with me. speaking when I go out to speak I'm a feel good guy you know unless they say to me here's where we're struggling we need you to add this so sometimes they'll give you a direction they always give you a direction so they have a purpose you always know where you're going you always know what your audience is well it sounds like you really enjoy it so is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those? I do, yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week.

2:35:51Then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty. That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. When you're getting$5 million in a speech, I mean, you've got to think about it. What do you think, Buck? Old Buck's over there. He's like, I'll be so glad when this boy's off. He likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It was great to talk to you. Me too. Thank you. Thanks, Joe. Been watching you. Enjoy. You're smart. Thank you. You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though. You did. You helped me a lot. Yeah. Doing what you do is not easy.

2:36:32I found out about limousine cattle. Yeah. You taught me some things. I know. I know. Yeah. You know how to fix a prolapsed uterus? What's that? Show him, Jamie I'd rather not So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey Is it everywhere? We're in 11 states Right now, you can go TerryBradshawebourbon.com You'll find out where we are In Texas TerryBradshawebourbon.com There it is, look at that That's not a good picture Oh, look at the cigar, Joe That's a solid picture That's an old man You're 58? Yeah, and look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter?

2:37:15Yeah, those are good. That's like if you're a serious taster. You know, it is. The thing about. Now, people think, boy, he's making a killing off that whiskey. I may make$6 ,000 this year. Six. But we're building it. It's slow. Whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man. It has to age. You go down that aisle, there's 5 ,000, and we've won all these awards. We beat them all. That's awesome. Beat them all. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this juice. It has to be something that you love doing. That's not something you can do. You know what?

2:37:56It could be any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like selling it. Well, it's an aged product. It's a different. Like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick, it's a different thing. Aged whiskey is a very different thing. It took me a year and a half to get the blend right, the blend, the juice. It took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle, I wanted—this is old gun smoke. Set it on the counter. I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And this is the original label, and that's gunpowder.

2:38:36Gunpowder Gray and the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by you know the bottling company which I didn't really that wasn't part of it Joe you ever got to a point in your life when you go can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me right I know what you mean it would have been like that if it hadn't been you Terry can it not be just because it's good you certainly could do that yeah my stud horses I have the best stud horses in America. You know? Best. And they're breeding world champions, and I'm so proud of that. And business is good. You know? But I don't have to sell them.

2:39:15They're selling. We have offspring that sell them. But this is Bradshaw whiskey. Yeah, this is this. I wouldn't want my dad to see it, but there it is. There it is. There it is. All right, Terry. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here, brother. I've been a huge fan for many years. And thanks. We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for. I'm glad, too. Yeah, me, too. I bet you are. I know I am. Enough. Enough. Enough of that in this world. Thank you, Terry. That was one. All right. Bye, everybody.