#2514 - Cameron Hanes

26:27So when people see it, that'll be fun. Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know. I live a happy life. Yeah, you do. You're crushing it lately. Oh, it's just to keep your foot on the gas. Same old stuff, right? Just keep going. I can't believe it. I look at your guests, and it's just like nonstop, dude. It's like people see all your success. you'd think most people would be like okay I'm good I'll your foot off the gas you don't know you keep I mean you work your ass off well you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do and very few human beings get this opportunity and I feel insanely fortunate and also um very responsible like I'm responsible for this whole thing I have to keep it rolling I know people are addicted to it they love it they want the variety they want scientists they want guys like you they want athletes and fighters they want all this shit they want to hear all these different people talk all these different perspectives and it's a huge obligation you know and I feel like connected to all these people I know I don't talk to them all the time I don't know say but I feel it I know it and I'm dedicated so I just keep my foot on the gas I never I never say oh I can't believe I have to do this oh I can't believe I have to show up I just yeah I always try to reset every day and go, God, I'm so lucky.

27:45It's so fortunate. And then when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not make the most out of it. Because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone like back and forth. I've had it for like six years now six or seven, might be seven years now and it's like I'm not keeping my foot off the gas, I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing I'm going to do it my best, I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off that's like, people have said like with bow hunting and stuff like, if you, you know, you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right?

28:32and then there's going to be people that want your position and like with your attitude my attitude too is like fucking come get it yeah come try to take it because i'm working my ass off still we were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude this dude was uh we were all just fucking around i i really even forget who it was because it didn't matter and he said uh yeah and after that i'm going to challenge you to a race and you go good luck with that it was so cold you go yeah like you didn't even remotely take it seriously It was like a five-year-old saying they're going to kick my ass.

29:09Like, okay, good luck with that. Yeah. I mean, you get confident when it's something you do. Yeah, further down the line than anybody. Yeah. And so if you're going to take my spot, I mean, it's been a grind, dude. It's 40 years. Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it in terms of I'm going to take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation. And that's cool and all that. But there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy.

29:47I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Like that energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits and just excelling at whatever – whatever it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand-up comedy. You should look at those people like, wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better? Or where can I get to a point? How can I get to a point where I'm like them? But most people don't do that. Most people are like, fuck that guy. That guy fucking sucks.

30:27This sucks. And fucking he's a pussy. And he's a this. And he's using steroids. And he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs. There's always going to be people like that. And I'm telling my message to the haters. I was a hater. When I was a kid, I was 100 % a hater. 100%. Like all the other people, like when I was fighting, everybody else was a pussy. They were all pussies. Unless they weren't in my weight division. If they weren't in my weight division, then I could celebrate them. But everybody in my weight division was a pussy. I'm going to fuck that guy up. He's got nothing. I could never celebrate people.

31:00Even national champions, people. I couldn't celebrate them. It's a waste. It's a waste of energy. And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. You know, fuck that guy, fuck this, fuck that. It's a waste of energy. You have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego-driven direction just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass.

31:42oh this guy could shoot a bow further than me oh this guy runs way farther than i can run oh this guy's way better at playing guitar than me what the fuck can i do to get where he's at yeah you gotta just that's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy it takes away progress it takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future right it's bad all around. There's no good to it at all. No, I agree with that. And it's like that energy is a resource that we have to protect. I think that when you talk about, like, you talk about all the outliers that you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you, and I think your attitude and how you look at things, like, in that lens, that makes people want to come on.

32:32Like you said, you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure. I think like, even if you didn't believe what you said, it was still, if, if you just said like, I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative, like in tone or like confrontational in tone, people wouldn't want to be on here. Like they want to be on here. Now you being positive and looking at things like, how can I get better? How can I grow?

33:03How can we all learn and, and, um, um, get better from this. That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted to the show. And so yeah, that energy, we, even though, even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it. You know what I mean? You seek it out. And, um, I know when I'm, I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. I don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is all the time. Right. I want hope.

33:41How can I have hope? Cause hope gives me purpose. I'm like, okay, I can do this. I can, I got, get to work and this will, this will pay off. Yeah. So I think it's like, it's more complicated than we, than we think, but there's a reason why you're number one have been number one and it's your attitude and it's it's how you speak it's a little that it's also i got in really early right so i got in at like 2009 and there was hardly anybody doing it back then yeah so you could you could also i wasn't as famous back then so you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it right you could get good at it so you could hone your craft right you didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through You didn't have to.

34:26You just did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. No, I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? Because there's so many. I mean, how many podcasts are there now? Yeah. Like what's the number? Ten million. Five million. It was like seven or eight million. It probably keeps growing every week. So because everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk. Well, and the people starting now, they might be you down the road. Oh, yeah. For sure. There might be some, you know. Well, they'll be them. incredible conversationalist that there'll be them there'll be a different thing than me right but they'll be amazing at it but you had because you had this insight or you know you saw tom green or whoever it was that like oh maybe i could do that you started this process of this decades of honing your craft to where it is now and now you've been on top for six seven years right and it's just because of all those reps that you did it's no different than anything we always talk about it's everything everything is reps yeah and it's just like you want to get good at something you fail keep doing it archery is reps pools reps martial arts are reps it's all reps it's all experience and it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do whatever it is yeah i think like i even think of you know i love sean ryan and he's has an incredible podcast but i i get i get why this is happening he's pretty down kind of on a lot right now just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is by design almost, they want us to be hopeless.

36:00And I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean, his podcast lately has taken more, I don't want to say dark because it's more real, but it's like, it's darker. So I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you. Well, I think it's like this episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain and Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain.

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37:13It's also – that's real in terms of like another layer of conversation. Like there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking shit. And talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny. And you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. Why is your mouth so sore? You know, like you fuck around. You say things. You're silly. You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth. You know, you don't you're not really doing meth. Right. There's you're not really having gay sex.

37:51You're fucking around. Yeah. And when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a whole like, like, get out of jail pass. Like, let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here. And then you can't loosen up. You're serious. Right. And then where does the conversation go back to the serious part, which changes it? It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. Yeah. And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world, and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world. You certainly shouldn't.

38:23But if you only focus on the bad of the world, it's kind of a trap. Yeah. Because it'll fuck your head up, too. You're just swimming in negativity all the time. That's what I see. Sean, that's a feeling I've got with Sean lately. whereas with the differences with you there's a reset there's always this reset back to good the message is good yeah i think and i don't think you're i don't i don't think you that's not by design that's just who you are yeah no it's not by design it's just uh that's how i think yeah like you can only dwell on negativity so much most of your day is not negative in fact yeah it's there's things that you need to be aware of you need to be prepare for them and The problem is, is no, it's not.

39:06But our voices are oftentimes negative. So it's easy. If like, if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative, it's a lot of negative, dude. Yeah. So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy. I try to avoid waiting in that. Well, sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like, where the fuck are these Epstein files? Yeah. Who the fuck is this? Why Why is this redacted? Where is it? Who the fuck killed JFK? Right. Like come out with it. What the fuck? Who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real? Yeah. Like what is that?

39:40Why is that fucking story so clouded and mystery? Why did they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting? What the fuck is going on there? See, now you're making me in a bad mood. That's, but that, it's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get locked up in there. Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. What does it say? Stay positive, be nice, and what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting. Be positive. Oh, be nice, be positive. But your handwriting's terrible. It is. You should be a doctor. But no, I have to remind myself, like, because I, if you start mentioning those things that you just did.

40:15Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit because I'm so pissed. I know. I think it should be. And we're all pissed. We're all, you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election. It's going to we're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles. And well, the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on, I felt. Then we had the Biden disaster. And now the second term has been I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different.

40:51First of all, if we didn't bomb Iran, I feel like we bombed them the first time we were good. The second time was like – even the first time I was like, what the fuck are we doing? And then when they were saying like this is it. The escalation is over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, phew. Yeah. And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh, fucking great. Now – and most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want it. Now, look, I'm no fucking foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there. But I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it.

41:28And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first and are people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're going to change things. And this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset. I don't know really what's going on, though. That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the Iranian military structure because it seems like that's super fucking complicated. Like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever. And so they have like all these layers of control.

42:03Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel kills him. It's like, what is going on? I know. And then what happened yesterday? They captured like 20 oil tankers. Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. Yeah. There was some, I don't know, it might be bullshit. I just read it very quickly on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah, it's a - Boy, I've been so healthy lately, last few months, just staying off of fucking Instagram. Really? Staying off of Twitter. Just not reading anything.

42:37Yeah. Not anything. But Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh. I don't know how I follow one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. They're trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Crazy people. Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I got to get off of this. There's no reason. It's interesting. It's crazy. That's what gets you hooked.

43:16I got this one lady. She was a hooker and she's a crackhead. And she thinks everyone's a man. So she'll show up photos of all these different people. That's a fucking man. She's just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States. And he wears this dirty old suit. And you look in his eyes. He's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And he's on Instagram. I start watching like sometimes street fights. Oh, I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there or the joke, the pranks or the jokes or pets. It's like, pets are cool.

43:56And then it's just like, but they, it's just a trap. It just keeps you there. And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, I'm just so much healthier. When I take like full days, like days off, I feel so much better. And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii? We went to Hawaii a few years back and we went bow hunting for axis deer on lanai. And I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. My phone just started calling people. I'd be like, look at this. This is crazy. I'd hang up and start calling a new person.

44:27Hang up. So I had to get a new phone and it took like three days. And it was like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, I can't wait until my phone gets here. Well, where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And capturing those memories. Yeah. And if you have a question. Yeah. I love it for, because I always have a question about something. I love that Siri now, you could just press Siri and ask it a question. Like, how many minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you.

44:59Yeah. Like, right, ooh. Like, you'd be driving on the car, you have a question, just press a button, and it gives you the answer. Yeah. It's fucking nuts. How many times did you have a question and you're just like, I'll probably never figure that out. Exactly. But now no question goes unanswered. Now it's literally instantaneous. Yeah. You know, and, you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask you questions because I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened. And now, you know, like instantaneously. Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's where I checked out.

45:32I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't like it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the stupid shit. All right. I would recommend not eating that soup. And that's what social media is like. It's like I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb telescope. Like, whoa, this is fucking cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things. And then I'll just deal with some fucking kooks and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black.

46:11I'm like, oh, fucking Christ. It's exhausting. It's too much. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's just eating soup with shit in it. Yeah. It's just like it's not worth it. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that, son. And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat. And that is incorrect. I've got a grizzly cooler here full of all sorts of rules. People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. Okay. Give me something. So also this. No one can hear that either. You've got to get to the microphone. Also this. Put that thing down and have a seat.

46:49Oh, there we go. So do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard the name. So he killed a world record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant, that thing is crazy. So he does, this is like super hot stuff. Oh. Here's what it's called. What is it? Everything you need to know about Chiliden, whatever. See, or Chiliden. Everything you need to know about, well, it's all worn out. I know. Maybe on the other page. Small but mighty Chilean chili. Yeah. Okay, so it's a type of chili? Yeah, you put that on like when you're cooking steaks. Where's that knife, Jamie? yeah okay here's one thank you look at that oh sweet oh look at that fucking yeah man oh my god nuts that thing is literally nuts what was the score on that it was like 386 or something no 486 or no 486 yeah yeah like close to 500 yeah well this smells strong does it oh my god yeah so these are the chili oh so So this is a.

47:51Yeah, he said you don't need much. It says. What did it say? 480? It says sprinkle this shit on everything. Okay, yeah. This is cool. Yeah. So I brought. And also. Do you know his son? His son is a really good elk caller. I mean, I don't know. I know he makes calls. Yeah, we don't usually mess around with that. I learned how to do these just last year. His son is Bo Brooks. I learned how to make a female elk call. Because I had a little one that I blow on. Yeah. So I never learned how to use a reed. Yeah, the mouth reed. I definitely don't know how to make an elk set with a tube. I'm fucking terrible.

48:26Yeah, well, let me see that knife real quick. My, yeah. This is the old Packout Skinner from Montana Knife. But here's the good stuff right here. So we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought it. It's from the same butcher company? No, this is from Whites. Butcher company? Whites up in Portland. And this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game processor. I think it's more like Gresham, but it's so good. Oh, that is good. Tell me what you think of that. That's fantastic. Yeah, thank you, Ronnie. And then this is a...

49:04No trichinosis, right? Is trichinosis free? This is... Have you ever tested yourself for trichinosis to see if you have it? You might already have it. There's some bear jerky, too. You might have it and ignored it. So the jerky is so good. And then also, like this says whites on it right here. White's country meats. So we got sausage. Oh, you made breakfast sausage? Yeah, it's so good. Nice. And then we got some rendered bear fat right here. Oh, wow. Brought you that so you can cook with that. Oh, it's dark. Yeah. Why is it so dark? I don't know.

49:38That's crazy. Yeah. Clay Newcomb gave me something. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked steaks with it. Okay. It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like even beef tallow. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor. For sure, definitely. So he did a – it's like – and also, like, the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different. So it just reacts differently. Like, for making the pepperoni and rendering the fat, it just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is one of the big bear I just killed. And, yeah, so it's just perfect timing for, I guess, rendering fat and making sausage.

50:14I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bear camp. Yeah. Where she smoked that bear for like 24 hours. Yeah. So good. God, it looked insane. It looked like. It was so good. They're like, she's like a gourmet chef now with bear. Yeah. And then they had the meat church guy up there this last week. Yeah. And so they were like, you know, bear meat, when you put a whole back ham on the Traeger. So she, she let it soak, marinate for four days. Right. And I saw people saying, oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it was. Four days, and then 20 hours of a slow cook on the Traeger.

50:52Best meat you've ever had. It's like incredible. That's bear. And, you know, there's like people talk about the settlers back in the day. They would eat bear and just kill deer for hides. Isn't that crazy? To make clothing because bear was superior meat. So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good. and it's amazing. Well, it's because of Yogi. Yeah. Yogi fucked us. Probably. Yeah. Yogi and the one that tells you not to start fires. Who's that guy? Smokey. Smokey. Smokey the Bear, Yogi. Yeah. They fucked us. Yeah, they did. And Disney. Disney fucked us. You know, if it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you.

51:37Yeah. We would have a completely different idea of animals. Oh, yeah. a much more realistic idea of animals. For sure. Which I think most hunters have. You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be managed. I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got in Santa Monica the other day of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big fucker. Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man. I mean, I don't know if you know one anymore. I can't eat too much. People get annoyed. Oh, yeah, that's true. It's good, though. That's a jalapeno cheddar. How's it taste? Can you taste it?

52:13The first one I had was jalapeno cheddar? Yeah. It's fucking great. It's really good. So good, yeah. And I know what people are saying. Oh, you can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh, man. Isn't that fucking nuts, man? Look at his eyes. Yeah. Fuck you, man. Fuck you. Yeah. Meanwhile, they built a stupid bridge for them, and it's way over budget. It's over$100 million now for this stupid fucking bridge so they can cross. We have to make sure that the Munsters can get across the highway safety. Trust me. I am of a completely different opinion. I say put one of those fucking big-ass grills on your car like I have on my Land Cruiser.

52:47And let's hope we get a few of them. Yeah. So they don't kill people's dogs. Mm-hmm. Look, it was right there. In the middle, yeah, it's 14th. It says knocked it on 14th. That is bananas. Look where it is. Look how dense. Look how dense the housing is there. There's a mountain lion right there. And they think a mountain lion is going to go find this bridge? Well, they probably will eventually find the bridge. I don't know. But there's a bunch of retards that will still make their way across the highway. And they're supposed to get hit. That's nature. Yeah. Let's figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out.

53:18Or die. Yeah, figure it out or die. There's too many of them. They're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers. Yeah. There's way too many of them. They're all over California because they don't manage them. That's what we talked. Yeah, we talked about that last time. And it's like, I just wonder what is, you know, what's the goal? Because now, you know, I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah. What is going on? This Mike Lee guy. Yeah, that same guy. Same fucking guy. He's trying to like. That's the Utah guy, right?

53:52The Utah guy. So right now is like there's this this bill that was going to be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires, essentially. But it's like it's what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it. Like they always do. There's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills. Right. And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not. But he put in this roadless area section because there's four or forty five million acres of roadless area that he wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this or saying for some other reason. I think, oh, here's what they said.

54:34We have so many acres of roadless area that to fight wildfires, we need roads. OK, they don't care about fighting. wildfires. They care about resource extraction or development, right? Maybe development, but development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas, but what's not a tough sell. That's what they tried with this. Remember, remember the affordable housing? Yeah. Like, oh, just the areas. They tried to say that's what it was. That was supposedly affordable housing, which like years ago, I went back and talked to Jason Chaffis. He was, he was a representative there in Utah. And I went back there and spoke to him and at that time, it was about a surplus acreage.

55:12So there's three million surplus acres nobody's using. Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion, that the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy about public land. Somebody told me that. See if there's any reality to that, that the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land. I don't know if that makes any sense. This is not my thought. Someone told me this and I was like, wait, what? And I don't think I ever looked it up. Right. I do that too. I'm like, I need to look that up and then I never do. And then I never know anything more.

55:52But yeah, so I went back, talked to Jason. At that time, it was surplus acreage. Then this time it was affordable housing. Now this time it's wildfire fighting, which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the national forest service already has 10 billion dollars of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now so they're saying you're going to add more roads to the 10 billion dollars worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on don't think so um what what they're going to do is and then also if you make roads this the stats say 85 to 90 percent of fires are started within a half mile of road of a road so it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there there's hardly any fires back there it's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain that's where the the fires are starting right right because it's usually people it's it's human cause 90 percent of the time it's lightning it's that's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought Here it is.

56:57Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands. But this is a political movement, not an official LDS church program. And other Mormon groups openly oppose it. So Utah's, see more disinformation. Somebody tried to feed me. And I kind of helped spread it. Utah is heavily dominated by federal land. 42 % of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone, even more under other federal agencies because so much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer, or sell some of that land is especially intense there.

57:32Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee, which... Conservative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of Western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey, man, fuck you. You're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you. I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something. It's a I mean, they don't care about first of all, they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains, which, you know, water, power.

58:09That's not going to happen. What is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership, which is why it drew attention. What are they referring to, though? Oh, a national historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints. Oh, so the church tried to purchase public land. So down to that next one, it says LDS teachings require strong stewardship and specifically advocate preserving and protecting the public lands.

58:45Okay. So it's just politicians. Like what he's doing. And I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land. But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his Donald Trump Jr. Does he listen to anybody? I don't know. I don't think so. He listened to me about psychedelics. Well, that. OK, we'll talk to him about this. Is that it again with sneaky roadless rule amendment? Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this weekend, well, I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that. But I don't think there was a there was a sentence in there that I just saw.

59:22It says ninety nine percent right here. Not right in the middle. Ninety nine percent of Americans oppose repealing the rule of this rule. OK, so why they work for us. Isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like, why don't they listen to people like the public? The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable. I don't think the public of California would. I think I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to ballot box biologists. No, no, me too. So they got wolves into Colorado. But I'm just wondering, like with this roadless rule, they didn't ask the public anything.

59:59Right. And 99 % of the public oppose it. Yeah, that's way – I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of hunting thing. Yeah, I'm good with – okay, so on your point then, I want biologists making the decision. on hunting 100 i don't want politicians making the decision on land use 100 all right so that's that's all i'm yeah that's all i'm saying it's like let's have experts in the field decide these things it's like who is the expert in the field who decided the white house needs a ballroom uh me i called in no but it's like how are these decisions being made like this roadless rule This was like a last minute add on that the public did not get a chance to vote on.

1:00:45How is that? How is that OK? No, it's not OK. It's super fucking sneaky. And I think all of our position should be like your T-shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position. Yeah. Not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here. We do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's very different. And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land and you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places. And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people.

1:01:23And it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country. And we got to keep it that way. We can't we can't let that slippery slope get get into play. As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll fucking keep going. Not one acre. Once you lose something, you don't get it back. Ever. And especially with this public land. At this time, when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever, recreators. It's like people who just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down, and the public sentiment was vicious, right?

1:02:09And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now because at this time, I know we did so much. Everybody came together. But when they do these, they wear us down with these last-minute deals and add on these things because it's like how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting? And you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already? And now it's back. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the air. at the same time is because you can't fight at all. It's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure?

1:02:40Yeah, I know. The UAPs? We're going to have a big meeting on Monday. We're going to have a big release on Wednesday. Like, okay. So I think they took, to me it seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh, we got all these fucking dipshits worried about this roadless rule. Okay, we can distract some of them with aliens. We've got an alien stuff, all right? Okay, oh, we could distract some of them with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up. OK, that's and now all of a sudden now it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core groups with this other bullshit. Right.

1:03:11And it's the bread and circus thing. And like I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this, that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not we hire the government to run our country, not entertain us. True. Yeah. No, look, I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick. It's going to be. I'm going to watch. I have two – like people think, oh, Rogan's negative. Nope, I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either.

1:03:49I don't – if it was me, if I was running the UFC, I would never run the UFC. But if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it. I would have said, we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as fuck. Oh, yeah. It's going to be completely different. And also, your endurance is going to be less. No submissions probably going to happen.

1:04:19Well, maybe, but also you can get under a neck way quicker. Oh, right. slide your arm through there yeah you could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweating yeah you get get it right under the chin yeah that'd be tough it slides in there but most grapplers would not prefer that most grapplers would prefer an air-conditioned arena like normal it should be fucking 72 degrees just like it always is you know it should be air-conditioned like it always is but even the the controlling the hands because you know like if you're top or bottom like the big part is like the risk control. Like if you're sweaty, that's tough.

1:04:55I mean, it changes. Back in the old days, dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. And then they would wash it off. And so then they would, you know, get warmed up. And then when they would start sweating, the baby oil would come out of their pores. Because it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours, I'm not accusing any individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened. and guys would be completely greased up. And you could wipe them down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking pores. And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them, it's just, weep!

1:05:27It's like trying to hold on to a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your fingers. Well, that happens too if you eat McDonald's all the time. Just kind of grease out your pores. So they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance more. But the sweat is going to be a big issue. The outside, the bugs, That's going to be a big issue. Thunderstorms. Oh, yeah. Another forecast. This is starting around 2 o 'clock, rain, 3 o 'clock, thunderstorms, 7 o 'clock, rain. It looks great. Oh, by 8 o 'clock, it's only showers. Don't be a pussy.

1:06:00Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think the idea was like they want the octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah, for image and everything like that, it's going to be dope. The card is sick. It's a fucking amazing card. The card, I mean, it's only seven fights, and all of them are bangers from the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez. Bam, right off the gate. It's like Bo Nickel and Kyle Dawkus. Bam, right off the gate. I mean, it's going to be a sick fucking card. The card's amazing.

1:06:33That does look incredible. That's the lightning catcher that they put over there. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. It's going to be nuts if it happens. but if it rains like crazy you know but I mean everybody will love it if it rains all the people who hate it yeah rain on those mega fucks you're ruining our country man I know it's a very divided time oh it's nuts but like I said my concern is for the athletes a fighter's career is very short a loss is devastating and to not have perfect conditions to fight in I think it's crazy. Yeah. But it's also going to be sick. It's like being there is going to be nuts.

1:07:19And maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out. Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does. He always does. I mean, you know, he always does. He was at the Sphere in Vegas, right? It's like wasn't that was out of the box, but it was amazing. Yeah, that was sick. That was a one time only thing. That was so much money. But this is a one time only thing supposedly, too. But apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up. Really? I don't know, man. I think it'd be great. Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks.

1:07:57That'd be the next gimmick. I don't know. Why not? Fuck it. Yeah. It's just the whole thing's chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what? Biden could have a giant LBGT flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out. Remember that? I do. They had a big pride day. They had a big pride flag in front of the White House. I'll take this over that. It's like all of it is silly. Yeah. It's also – that should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have nothing to do with the White House. Right. But, you know – and then there's a lawsuit right now. I saw that.

1:08:25People are trying to sue to keep the UFC off the way. They'll probably lose. Yeah. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But I would imagine they're not going to win. I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. You know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's, I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes. But on this one, I kind of get it. And, yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping to this opportunity. No. It's like the whole world's going to watch.

1:09:01It's going to be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history. I mean, it's on Paramount, so it'll be on CBS as well, right? I don't know. Is it on CBS? Yes. So it's on CBS as well. So it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are going to watch it too. Oh, for sure. They're going to want to talk shit. Yeah. So it'll probably be covered on CNN and what a disaster it was. They already talked a lot about how I'm not into it. Yeah. But I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it. I'll be respectful.

1:09:38I'll, you know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC, and it's always an honor to work for them, and I love it. But I don't like it. But I'll still, when I'm there, I'm like, oh, this is sick. And maybe after it's over, I'm like, they were right. Or maybe it'll be like, oh, it fucking rained. It was, what a shit show. It was lightning that canceled the fights. It was a huge disaster for CBS. It's live sports. It's like you never know. I mean if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy now I'm in Yeah, that's like apex style now. I like it. Yeah, I like it.

1:10:13No crowd just us just me DC and anic Ooh, that'd be pretty fun. Now. I like it now. I like it and you know We're protected by the rain, but everybody else isn't so they all have to leave Yeah, because I think it's gonna be also a lot of like look at me people are going to dress up nice forehead because they know they're going to be on television and it's you know I get it but it's really for me it's about the fights there's gigantic fights on that card the Justin Gaethje Ilya Teporia fight I am very interested in that fight I'm very interested in that fight I really wish it was like at the T-Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever but who cares that's a fight I have a lot of questions about I need to see that fight happen I mean Justin's quite a bit bigger but Ilya is so skilled.

1:10:59Bro, I watched his entire career last night. So the UFC put out a video about Ilya saying, is Ilya Teporia the GOAT? And it goes from his first fight in the UFC to his last victory. And you watch every single fight of his career. And you watch him get better over time. and it gets deeper into his career. And then you see his last three fights and you're like, good Lord. He was awesome when he first entered the UFC, but he just kept getting better. So the use of Salah fights, the first fight, that goes to a decision. And then you watch the progression. He starts KOing people. His last three KOs over the biggest stars?

1:11:52They're some of the greatest of all time. Max. Yeah. Who? Charles Oliveira. Yeah. Charles Oliveira, one of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volkanovsky, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah. Like fucking crazy, man. Knocked him out. Knocked all three of them out. How? That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS won't air a UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch. What happened? I don't know. Did they back out of it? Oh. Oh. They were not televising. That means you're... I wonder if, like, Paramount...

1:12:29White decided, cited the plan to tell America's story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved. What? The plan to tell America's story. What? That doesn't even make sense. What does that mean? We don't want to talk about America's story on CBS? No, because there's only X number of fights, and it starts from the first one, White said. We start at the beginning of time, and like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So, no, they'll all be on Paramount. So it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox.

1:13:06And then you're going to see all the Indians die, and then we're going to go, oh, look at all these buffalo because there's no one there to kill them. And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun. Yeah. Sounds like a good story. It's going to be a very accurate story of how the United States started. It'll start from back when we fucked up Mexico in, like, what was that, 1861 to get Texas? No, what year did they—no, it was like 1821, wasn't it, that Mexico owned Texas? We'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for, like, 50 bucks.

1:13:41Yeah. People will love it. It'll be good. It'll be good. It'll be great. Yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. Yeah, but I'll be there. Yeah, it's going to be you're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple of times. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks. And my experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else. Like, you know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around.

1:14:25He has a lot of fun shit. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom because he wants like he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States that's loved by everybody. Yeah. But his – the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about, the war specifically. That – I don't – you know, we voted for protecting the border.

1:15:07Uh-huh. And they did that. Yeah. It's American manufacturing, protecting America's interests, like with trade, with just protecting people's jobs. So we have a way to work and provide for our family. America first. That was what that sounded good to me. And it feels like this isn't any of that. Like it feels like even his administration at first, I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some this is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone. Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure. You know, you have to make deals.

1:15:51Right. So you've got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there. And then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that. And the military is trying to squeeze this. And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made. And that's where things get dark. Yeah. Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with RFK and that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day. It's dealing with all these pressures and look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with peptides.

1:16:22They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to, but they lost with glyphosate. Yeah. And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. It's poison. You know, I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's going to talk about it soon. And it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue. We don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate ridden products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system?

1:16:59What is it taking away from how much is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system? I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is. That people are just reacting to bromate and pesticides and herbicides. But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyphosate basically with all the agriculture there? And then that's like the hotbed for cancer. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to look very far to see that connection. No, you don't. No. Well, you know, that was also back in the day when people talk about the polio epidemic.

1:17:39You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country. Because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction. The body has the exact same reaction as polo, as paralytic polo, polio, polo, polio, you know, the disease. Like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it, Suzanne Humphries. It is called Dissolving Illusions. And it's all about that and all about like – first of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing. And people were getting polio. I remember seeing kids like running through it. But it wasn't just people that were getting polio.

1:18:23This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio. Animals were getting polio. Like animals were getting polio, but they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals. But horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting the same symptoms because it's fucking DDT poisoning. And here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? I mean, you get it and you have no symptoms. I don't know. 95 to 99 percent. Really? Yeah. So people have it. It's DDT. Yeah. It's DDT. I mean, look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get fucked up and die.

1:19:03Of course, polio is bad. Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Flu is bad, right? Yeah. Okay, but you know what else is bad? DDT. Yeah. And you know what else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic? Fucking spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant to it. Yeah. And you bring it up, they call you a conspiracy theorist, but it's fucking fact. Yeah. It's undeniable. Well, I was like, you know, the controlling the weather. I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes like laying the fucking clouds out. Have you seen it? Yes and no.

1:19:37OK, so I actually did a show on this. You did? Yes. I did not an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything. Remember that show that I used to do back in the day? We did a whole episode on chemtrails. and one of the things we found, first of all, the reason why it looks like that, this is just a fact, the reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere, you have a hot jet engine, it's passing through this cool air, and the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds. Yeah. Those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Right. Also, they spray shit in the air.

1:20:11Yeah. Two things are happening at the same time. Yeah, because you see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream, and you're like, okay, checks out. Then you see the other ones and it's a different jet stream Yeah, but it doesn't matter the cut the condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent But they're making just like clouds are inconsistent You can we watched them the other day make laps. Yeah, but it might not be the same plane It might just be a route, right? You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back. No, no, but but you're watching Consistent right in patterns.

1:20:43Yeah, yeah, but that's why it looks like that But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you, listen, those planes, if you look at a Southwest flight, they're not spraying. Okay. But some planes spray shit. And there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding. They cause floods. Like what happened with fucking Dubai. You ever see that Dubai shit where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway? Yeah. That is people fucking with the environment. That's what I thought was conspiracy before, which I don't now.

1:21:21No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding. And because they're rich. They're like, fuck it, make it rain, make it rain. And so there's real weather modification. Now, there's cloud seeding, and then there's experimental shit. Like some of the shit that like Bill Gates was talking about, like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Like, hey, fuck face. Yeah. Who are you to make a decision for the whole world to cool the world? You didn't even graduate college. Shut the fuck up. This is crazy. And also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before, like cooling off the fucking planet.

1:22:04What if this dipshit starts the next ice age and everybody fucking dies? Right. I know. I mean, get the fuck out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing. And also, do you have any money invested in any of these projects attached to this? for sure. This, you know, we talk about all this stuff, you know, oh, I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this part of my notes, call your senators, say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of, of the 45 million acres that, that are going to be protected with the roadless rule, but to call your senators is 202-224-3121.

1:22:44say say you uh you want the roadless rules kept intact and we have to we have to let our voices hurt our voice were was heard on the snot one acre we won that one we have to do it again you have to call your senators and say and and just voice your concerns it's a slippery slope yeah you can't let them have any ground but like what i um here's what this thing was really pissed me off because as i said the administration at first i thought okay we got some we got some good pipe hitters in there it feels like they do what trump says if they don't they're gone they're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed they're out of there um you can see the writing on the wall like i don't i was i wanted tulsi to get in there and kick ass because i knew how she felt about the war in iran and and like that would uh how detrimental that would be so i was like I believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there, but it feels like people are, it's like, if you stand up for something, you're gone.

1:23:49And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there who just two days ago for this road, roadless rule, he unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the public land, right? Just 31 laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to they awarded a 1.7 billion dollar contract to build a wall in texas at big bin national park 1.7 million billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in big bin national park here it's like how the public doesn't want that we don't want to fucking wall for they're saying for border protection and if you look at like Like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the fucking park.

1:24:38So what do you think that wall is really for? I don't know. Fucking up National Park, one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal is. Have you read into it, though? Is there any arguments pro and con that the walls? I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up. Yeah, let's see if there's, is there like a lot of crossing? There was no public input on it again. Right. That's a problem. And the problem is, again, they can come up with reasons why, you know, they have to make some new laws because, well, we got to protect people.

1:25:12Yeah. And that's how the slippery slope began. It was a COVID like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities. It's like you got to do this for safety. Well, it's the same thing. Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Bend National Park. So what does it say with the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of U.S.-Mexico border. So it's a border law. Yeah. From near the Closed Canyon Trail in Big Bend Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Bend National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County.

1:25:50In the notice, Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullen wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While U.S. Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30-foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dubbed Big Bend 4. So this is like not listening to the experts again. Six former superintendents at Big Bend National Park penned a letter to Mullen urging him not to take such a step.

1:26:34So, again, not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert thinks they're going to do it. Award these bids to probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for$1.7 billion with no bid. It's like, how is this okay? Yeah. It's very—I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there? No, there's not. That's the thing. they have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in that park. Because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well.

1:27:13Right. So it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also if you're going to get through that way, like good Lord, right. You're going into like tough country. Yeah. And you know, that's, that's good elk country down there. I know people who hunt West Texas. Good bulls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I just I don't know. It's so if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend, you know, they don't want construction down there. And especially if if we voted on it, fine. If there was a reason, fine. But it was never voted on. Yeah. It says the horrific plans are in front to the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend.

1:27:51Lakin Jordal, an advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement, Politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place. Yep. Yeah. And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before. Trump has never walked on dirt. He plays golf. Has to have walked on dirt. Grass, baby. That's very man. Grass and sand. He's got to have dirt. Isn't there dirt there? Not on his course. But the point is, it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land, they don't give a fuck about this.

1:28:24No, they don't give a fuck. and they're not going to see it and they never would see it. There is a border wall going up there too, though. There as well? Same spot. Same spot? Yeah. Look, they have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border, like who's getting the contract? Yeah. And just to award that with no bid, it's just not – that's not – I was a public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money. you can't just spend public money without a bid right i mean but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money and they bypass it all and then you know who suffers here it's the people who don't have like some people they go to the park for mental health they want to go camp they want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name but they're appreciating nature that's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like, I got to get out of this shithole city and go recharge.

1:29:29Right. So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's, that's wasted land. It's like, we could have a shopping mall. We could have investors doing this. We could have make this work because right now they, they would say that, well, not everybody can, can, um, take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we want to make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it. No. Yeah. That's, that's not how it works. You're going to fuck it up. Yeah. You can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods. There's, there's your, yeah, there's your contract.

1:30:02Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties. Construction contracts, including$2.6 billion awarded this week are being awarded to at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall. Yeah. See that streamlined process? That was bypassing 31 laws. And so what's there now? Like, what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area? Is it just land? Like you just walk right across? It's probably the river. What is it? What is the border? Can we find that out, Jamie? Does it say?

1:30:45It doesn't say, but I'll look. Okay, let's just look. Go up a little bit. Let's look at the map. Okay, yeah. Let's see what the map looks like.

1:30:58Okay, let's see.

1:31:04So that's where it is? Texas, yeah, Marfa. So is that the river that blocks it? Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border, technically. There's certain parts of the river. But it's not that hard to get across that river. Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there to cross. That's crazy. Look how beautiful that is. It's amazing. God, that's so beautiful. No, they're not going there to cross. Yeah, that's all mountainous. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to see, actually. Where is the most border crossings? For a while, it was like where they had that road where they were just letting people through.

1:31:40Most border crossings are actually in Arizona. Really? Yeah. I'm almost positive. So I'm sure Jamie's going to find it here. I'm asking how many happened through Big Bend National Park. Yeah. Find that out. Fucking one. 30. Got to stop them. $84 billion. Yeah. It's just like, God. I don't know. Just stuff like this. So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein files, and then they do shit like this. Okay, the only official border crossing inside Big Bend National Park is the Boquillas Port of Entry, and it sees on the order of about 10 ,000 legal crossings by visitors per year, plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the U.S.-Mexico border.

1:32:24What exists in Big Bend? Big Bend National Park shares about 118 miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boquillas Crossing, small pedestrian-only crossing to the Boquillas del Carmen, Mexico. National Park Service information and travel videos describe Boquillas as handling roughly 10 ,000 visitor crossings per year. Yeah, those are mostly all legal. So 734. Border patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings. One report cited 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27 ,000 along the entire U.S.-Mexico border in a given period.

1:33:12And what year was that where it was 734? Was that before they shut down the border? What's really crazy, how many people came in the country? Oh, I know. The fact that over four years, it's north of 10 million, and I've talked to people that think it's 20. It doesn't say. It doesn't say. Oh, wow. And it just shows those out of the 27 ,000, but it doesn't say they're illegal. So it's not a hotspot of crossing. The last slide there said a smallest fraction is illegal. of that 734. Those were like total crossings in that area. The smallest fraction was illegal. So no, it's not. It's BS. Right. It's BS.

1:33:56And they're just going to do it because they've got a nice contract. And I want a wall, beautiful wall. Giant wall. In the national park? No. The Washington Post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts, now totally more than$19.4 billion in the last six months have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher. That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would-be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. Yeah. All right. That's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing. Yeah.

1:34:35No bueno. No. And so, but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this. It's like, who knows what a Senate, what the Senate or House is voting on on a fucking Tuesday? Well, it was this public land thing, you know, just added in in the middle of the night. We have no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing. And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this public land, too. And it's like it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. You know, it's not frustrating. This bear meat is pretty fucking good.

1:35:15Yeah, that's a man. That's legit. What? Okay. So what can be done? This bill hasn't passed, right? No. Now it's going to go to the Senate. So it was in the House. And here's the problem. So this was originally this roadless rule is bipartisan. Everybody agreed. Let's protect this. Now with Mike Lee adding this language in there, now it's turned – now there's lines in the sand. And nine Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to allow this, the roadless rule, to be in there. So now it goes to the full Senate. Now they're going to need whatever the percentage is, I think 60 percent of a full Senate vote for it to pass.

1:36:05So we'll see. so now the scumbag lobbyists get involved yep and they start pressuring people and help you do this and i'll do that and help me here and i'll be there when they get overwhelmed because of switchboards if people call that 202 number like i said then that makes it to everybody and what's that number again 202 224 3421 say you're you want to keep the roadless rule intact you don't want to sell off public lands. You don't want to, this is all BS. Um, but they, they do this and, um, yeah, the lobbyists get involved. And what happens is like, what happened with the big, beautiful bill is this part was in there and Trump wanted it in there, but it was causing such a friction.

1:36:49He was just like, I want my big, beautiful bill passed. These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did, they pulled out this, we saved the public land who knows what we lost that that was also attached but anyway we saved public land at that time they're gonna for affordable housing same thing has to happen here he's got this language added into the shit that are already working on that changes you know we've had we've had this in place for decades and and it's worked right so we have to say no we're not down with this and they have to pull it out again well i hope we can get it through we'll push it You got it up on social media where people can.

1:37:27Yeah, I will. Cameron Haynes. Yeah, I will for sure. But it's like, you know, it's this is so important because it's so important to people without a voice. So it's like I feel sometimes like, how did I get in this position? I know you do, too. Like where you're at the White House. You're just like, how the how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity? Right. Right. You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring. And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform. You've the most powerful voice probably in the world at some times.

1:38:08And so you get invited to the White House. And I know, like for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I created value in myself. They invited me there for Veterans Day. And I said, no, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all this shit. I don't want to go and have a picture in the fucking White House so people could be like, see, see, you fucking you're part of this. You know, because we did. We thought that Trump was the best option at the last election. I did. I 100 percent believed he was better. The thing is, he might still have been the best option.

1:38:44He might be. But and that's fine. We don't know what would have happened. No, the Kamala Harris administration is a continuation of the Biden administration. I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want, you know, the celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgenders or crossdressers or I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it. I don't want youth getting surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't I didn't want any of that.

1:39:22So, of course, I'm going to vote for Trump. Right now. I don't like any of this shit. So I have my right is to say, no, I'm not down with this. And I'm not going to the fuck. I'm not going to be in your picture at the fucking White House. So you can use it. And all the people who listen to me would be like, oh, fuck. So they wanted you to go for Veterans Day? And what was the premise of having you there? I don't know. But you're not a veteran. So what was the premise? It's only because I have a big platform. So they're going to celebrate Veterans Day at the White House and they just said, let's get some famous people?

1:39:56Probably. I mean, you don't remember the Epstein files where all the influencers had the binder? Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah. And there was a few other influencers. But they use they they use they can use people like us for their messaging. And then they invited me back again after. Now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care. And it's like I don't have to agree with fucking lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like, I voted for that, but I don't agree with this. And I'm not happy about this. And I'm and I want you to know that's that's our right as voters.

1:40:32Would they invite you back again? This was back. It was for a public land thing. and I'm like yeah I'm down for it but I just know I had this this kid on Benji Backer he's like has this this page it's non-partisan something for outdoors but I did this show with him and I there was uh you know bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places but it's still all important to us I did the show with him well he went I had him on the podcast he talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land he went back and Trump signed an executive order something about public land and all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order nothing has happened to it nothing has happened with it no actions been taken it was like all it was was just they can make a press clipping out of it theater a theater and nothing's going to change nothing changes nothing's protected so that's what i feel like a lot of these times if i get invited there it's for that is to is to make my base if i have a base i don't have i'm not a politician but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on and i understand that's how it works you want powerful people on your side right i'm not saying i'm powerful but i have a pretty big following I just I just I went back there because it's a huge honor of like the few times that I've been back there and is amazing.

1:42:00And it's like being in the White House. Somebody like me should never be there. But I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity. But that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too there's too much for me that I'm not happy with that. I can't ignore it personally. So that's – I feel like they use opportunities like that for press. Well, it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want.

1:42:44Or what about the military drones? Those contracts when this war started. But that's you can look into who who made money on that one. Who made money on that one? Should we look it up, Jamie? Drone military contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say. But, you know, huh? OK, well, I don't know. So I'm going to be surprised. Yeah. So maybe maybe not. But like when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense. Of course. When you follow when you follow a pack, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit? Where do they get their money? Oh, I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician thing.

1:43:23His name's Adam. He's like, he goes, Don Jr.? What? What, Jamie? What did you find? Wait a minute. What did you? Are you? This has got to be a mistake. Eric and Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran war. Jamie, where'd you find this? That seems like propaganda from Iran or something. Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon propaganda again? No, but so anyway, you start. I was talking about this local guy back home and he said that he goes, I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever, just a local election. But you go to a business, they say, yeah, here, I got eighteen dollars I can contribute.

1:44:14Right. Right. Where. So you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait, what's this APAC thing? Why did they get millions? Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, this is making a lot more sense. It's like, where's the money coming from? Yeah, they're going to they have to take all that out of politics. Oh, my. I don't know how you could at this point. But when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbyists to get this person in.

1:45:00And you're like, wait, why? That's not serving us. No. It's like – And how do you stop that? When did, okay, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says. The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was 2012. What thing is that? Citizens United. Citizens United. That was 2012. I think so. That changed it a lot, but it was always a problem before that. I mean, there has always been like when did corporations become a real problem? When did AIPAC become a problem? When did AIPAC form and when did they start donating to American politicians?

1:45:49Yeah, it's a. First of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to a foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics. I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've heard people say that too. 2022. 2022. They not directly start donating to U.S. political candidates until 2022. Fucking Jesus. So if I don't, I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel, his first election, and now he just gave an award to somebody. you can see who he just gave an award to he gave an award? one of them big ones?

1:46:31one of them nice ones where they put them around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office who contributed looking like he just won the Olympics who contributed$250 million to his last election oh so do you want an award? that's how much you gotta pay for an award? I'm good I don't really want an award I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway so to me so you said like 2022 I would imagine APEC was around I would have thought I didn't know that, actually. But when I look at like if you look at Thomas Massey, he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason. Right. He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to.

1:47:12And he did. He did lose. yeah so here's the thing we'll get to that in a second here's the thing citizens united decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in u.s politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency and so this was what year jamie i want to say it was 2012 oh okay 2011 2010 2010 so 2010 supreme court decision further tilted yeah tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got fucked. Yeah. I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way. That was Obama.

1:47:52See that second bullet point? Supercharged PACs, which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts. And so that's how they control the elections right there. And that was the Obama administration. Dark money. Dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded. voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns so we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to 2009 but even then like 2009 is after they bailed out the fucking banks yeah well 15 years later citizens united defined the 2024 election yeah there it is we're fucked it's a slippery slope yeah that's so i don't that's like ruth ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of her time on the court.

1:48:37Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disproval of the ruling with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it. Citizens United reshaped political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire-funded super PACs a central role in U.S. elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics. And yet it may only be now, in the aftermath of the 2024 election, We can be able to understand the full impact of the decision. And it's perfect, too, because Citizens United. So this is like the language they use to dupe us.

1:49:13Like, oh, Citizens United. We're together. This is good, right? Just like the Patriot Act. Yeah. Or like in Oregon, that the hunting thing, it's called the Peace Act. Oh, yeah. Talk about that because that one's bonkers. Yeah. So this is nuts. So this is the same thing. It's just follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. So the IP28, this is a crazy thing. They want to here's here's where I just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like if you think of legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon, like heroin, meth.

1:49:58You can have that. It's fine. It's whatever. I think they turned that back. Right. But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon. Yeah, it didn't work out so well. Right. Now, this is another crazy one. But they try it in Oregon because it's very – we've got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and Salem. Not just liberals. Retards. Yeah, they're more than just – because I'm friends with liberals for sure. They're gone. They're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left. For sure. They're full-on communists. Yeah. Socialists, no meat, everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick.

1:50:36Yeah, I mean, so much. We should talk about that, too. We'll get to that in a minute. But so the law, the new thing, the bill they're trying to pass. IP-28. Ban. First of all, was it the governor of Washington? Which governor? Was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard? Oh, probably Washington. I would say - Can you fucking imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe? Yeah. You have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe. They also made it like during COVID, like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake.

1:51:20I think he got a ticket. A guy got arrested when he was surfing by himself in California. Right. So you're going to get sick out there in the middle of the ocean surfing. It's just silly. But this IP28, they bill it as, you know, on that. So they'll they'll do this thing, like, go to get these votes. They needed one hundred and seventeen thousand votes to get this on the ballot. So to to get one hundred seventeen thousand people to sign your petition, basically all it said was stop animal cruelty. All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter to say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty?

1:51:54Right. OK. Yeah. I love animals. I love animals, too. Oh, he signed this. So they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals like— Backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chickens for food. Ranchers. Just like even ranchers who sell beef. You can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals. Like we breed cows. We breed horses. There's stud fees. There's different things. It makes better race, like race horses. but there's also better product for, for beef. Right. So we control like when, uh, when a cow goes into heat, when he gets bred, things like that, that's part of like being a rancher.

1:52:37Well, they want to make that like, cause the cow didn't agree to it. It's like rape. It's like sexual assault. Like you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching. Right. So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price. You're eliminating ranches in Oregon. In Oregon. Yeah. So it's killing the whole industry. Crazy. And they could say that, like, even if you, if you herd an animal, I don't know what, like, you could get charged with assault.

1:53:13So this is, they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog. Oh. Oh. And but the thing is chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering, like, if you know how you're driving a car and like sometimes a bird flies in front of you. Right. You get arrested for that. Yeah. That. But you're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel. So this guy who introduced this, this is the third attempt at doing this. he knows he's not going to get the vote because how it worked to get on the ballot. They take 6 % of the votes cast in the last governor, governor election. So 6 % of the last votes casted.

1:53:53So it's a small number, but it's 117 ,000. Um, they can get that many by just saying, stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot. Um, but he knows this is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass, but it's like, it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long-term process to get hunting and fishing stopped, right? Because I think like in general, the government, they like consumers. They don't like people being too, uh, um, self-sufficient. They like them relying on that. This is another step. Like if we can get rid of ranchers hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff.

1:54:33Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land you talked about bill gates before him making decisions on shit he doesn't know anything about he dropped out of college but did you say he dropped out of college or yeah so it's uh it's they want to be able to control who's who's providing the food who's making the money what type of food it is um you know it's like it goes back to the whole wc thing it's like you will own nothing and be happy it's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that to where, no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore.

1:55:06We got it. Right. And they can use these nutty progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through. That's all it is. And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money, PACs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them to push these wacky ideas. Right. You go, why would they do that? Well, that's why they do that. They do that because they want you dependent on them. Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't make it into law for sure. But they'll see where they're at. This will be like, okay, here's where we're at.

1:55:35Here's what we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the biggest pushback was. And they adjust. Where can we do that on the other side? It's like, I know there's farming and ranching organizations, but it's money. It's like, who's giving these people the money? It's usually coming from out of state. And they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working. Because when you're a rancher, you're fucking working all the time. You can't go get signatures and shit. You got work to do. These fucking, these environmental people that are just crazy, like extremists, they get paid for doing this.

1:56:16So it's like, that's their job. You know, a rancher has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and knock on doors. That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand. And until you listen to people like Mike Benz where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things. And the fact that like most of these things are a fucking scam. Most nonprofits are a fucking scam. And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of nonprofit. Like, oh, my son works for a nonprofit.

1:56:57Oh, he must be a good guy. He's, like, trying to help. And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy. But then you're corrupted by this system that you realize, like, oh, no, the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit. And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization. The overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people working there, they all get paid very well. And then a little piece goes to whatever the fuck it is. The people starting the nonprofit will be like, OK, first, I'm going to need this much money. Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP?

1:57:33I can count on you. You're going to make this much money. So that's what happens. And then whatever's left is like that's their, you know, that they can't write off. That's what they contribute. Yeah. What did I see this? Oh, this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals. Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts. How crazy is that? Yeah. Like nonprofit are the most profitable. Yeah. So this whole idea, it's all just bullshit. Most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the Bill Gates stuff.

1:58:18Yeah. There's a great book called, fuck, what is the name of the book? I read this book, Controllogarchs, and it's all about how a lot of these guys, they realize that they're having public image problems, like particularly Bill Gates, like during the antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft. Yeah. Then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all about philanthropy. But they're philanthropic capitalists. All the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable. Like he made$500 million allegedly off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments in this vaccine. It didn't even fucking work well.

1:58:57Yeah. I think Trump got paid with that too. But it's like, yeah, it's, you know, the money thing, I don't know, the citizens, the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this shit. Yeah, it's dark. And so here it is. Put your headset on real quick. Listen, this guy talk about. A congressman recently described some non-profit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds. A person say that non-profit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds. And I was like, I bet they are. What's going on here? Because in the United States, more than half of our hospitals are non-profits. But the hospital world doesn't feel very non-profit-y.

1:59:38And then I read this article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed. And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in 2023, so three years ago, was$1.3 trillion. And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money. In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making$45 billion worth of profit. And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we gave them$38 billion,$11.5 billion of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago.

2:00:13So this is probably more like 60 billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity. But there was a study that looked at almost 1500 nonprofit hospitals and found that 86 percent of them provided little or no charity. And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance is either private health insurance or insurance from the government. Only three percent of people don't have health insurance. And it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out around 2009.

2:00:44The hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed. So now it's kind of the honor system. So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the nonprofit hospitals make in profits? Turns out it goes to executives like these CEOs who are getting paid about four and a half million dollars a year. Meanwhile, their nurses make about 70K. Four and a half million a year here. Apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from non-profit hospitals. And here's a guy, Robert, at a hospital in New York who paid himself$15.3 million a year.

2:01:18Non-profit hospital. And there are really good non-profit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low-income families and people in need, like St. Jude or like the Shriners. But it looks like about 86 % of these non-profit hospitals get$50 or$60 billion from U.S. taxpayers like you and me. Because they're supposed to do some form of charity. but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity and some of their CEOs are making$15.3 million a year while we subsidize them with like$50 billion. Do you think this is right? I saw this comment first and seen. This is P.

2:01:50Davis Jones on Instagram. Motherfuckers. So it's like, it's again, it's just like the UFO thing. Yep. Distractions. There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much fucking fraud and there's so much cash this is what elon told me when he started looking into the doge stuff he's like it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud yeah he's like it's insane that's what nick shirley found in minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares and also found in california with hospice care centers there's entire uh motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking non-profit and they're all just siphoning money so it's madness So that's like, that's what it makes money.

2:02:35Regular people like me, like, what's the answer? It's like, what's the point to all this? Meanwhile, I'm paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this. Yeah. And or for war. It's like, yeah, all of it's gross. Yeah. Every single. Yeah. I mean, what we're going to have to have is some sort of like radical transparency. where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program and no one's going to want to turn that on right they're never going to want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money oh like the pentagon's never passed an audit once no not one no zero and you look at you don't pass an audit you're going to jail for sure yeah yeah how much we're in debt all the shenanigans they do with the public money It's just like that's over exaggerated.

2:03:29We're only in debt thirty nine trillion dollars. That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? You know, the thing is, they could just print thirty nine trillion and it's done. Yeah. Just pay it off. The reason why they don't is because they have really good control. God, you're doing a great job. It's one thing on this hunting thing. I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and how it's like they've done a good job in Colorado, like fighting. This is like been we've won a few things there. Have they tried the same thing with Oregon and Colorado, the same kind of thing? Well, no. What Dan is doing, he's got out their initiative 302, and it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado a constitutional right.

2:04:10So hopefully that – you know how these – just like this lobbyist and this IP28, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future. well if dan is successful with this initiative 302 passing that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing because if we can go through there this is like the litmus test for it then okay maybe we can do this in other states also so this is a big one coming up they're working on right now but i mean we have to we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing shit like this we have to be more in tune you know and educated on it.

2:04:45God, it's such a bummer though, because like the people that I know, like Mike Benz that do this all day, I do not envy him. Terrible. I mean, Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they, they last for hours. Like who's going to go through them all? Well, and he's exposing all these different companies. Be nice, be positive. We didn't do any of that. How do you, how do you, how do you talk about this? It's hard. In a nice and positive way. It's very, very, very difficult. Very, especially because these are real problems. Last on my list. Well, I don't know what's up on the list, but oh, I do want to talk about this.

2:05:24I want to shout out Ryan Callahan from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. You know, Cal. Sure, sure. Great guy. Bust his ass for this shit. Martin Heinrich, which is he's a senator there in New Mexico. he's I think he's a Democrat I don't give a shit about Democrat Republican whoever he just fights for public lands and he's a badass and then also Ron Wyden there in Oregon who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on because you know it's just different but he is he does get I want I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against his public lands sell-off and Mike Lee and this energy resource committee which is You know, they're beholden to a different set of values.

2:06:08Usually it's money related. And these guys are kind of fighting for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains. So you're being positive. Yeah, I just wanted to tell those guys are doing great. But I was going to bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is feels like a lot for me, which I don't like. But my point on it is I feel like— Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon Marathon in your age category. Yeah. And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC-157, which is a banned substance.

2:06:55Yeah. So you would take, for people that don't know, as ridiculous as this sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago, and you never got it fixed. So all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken foot. And you went to ways to well. They treated your foot with stem cells, and they injected BPC-157 into your foot to help your foot heal. Is it healed now? Is the bone, like, fused up? Yeah. What did it do? It just grew back? Yeah, finally. It took a while because I didn't stop running. What does it look like now on an x-ray? It's like kind of the bone is, it was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the surgeon didn't know if the bone was going to be able to make it across her because I kept like moving it.

2:07:42And he told me, he's like, you know, with this, this is, I just had the same surgery done on my thumb where the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So your ligaments and tendons are very strong. The bone fractures. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from because bone on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece that broke off was.

2:08:25So there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery, which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of my foot. And hope it connected. But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed by design. So it probably changed the function of your foot. It would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot and I run. I have a good stride. I run well. And I'm and he said there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that, you know, you need another surgery if this doesn't work. And then another one to get the hardware out.

2:09:02So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. let's see if we can try other treatments less invasive if I can just deal with this pain for long enough would my foot heal and it has um so I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on you know he's a renowned surgeon he does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team he's a stud trust totally trust him but I heard what he was saying about like hey there's no guarantee this is going to work perfect and I took that to heart so when did you have the injury. How long ago? It was June 16th of 2024. Okay. Yeah.

2:09:37Quite a long time ago. Right. So basically a solid two years. Yeah. So I went in and I dealt with it for, I mean, it hurt for a long time. I just didn't want to stop living, you know, and I'm like, okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm going to block that out and just do what I do. So I did, I did, I did everything. I did all my hunts. I did races and it was terrible. And, but I made it, I made it through and my foot's healed. But so broke it in June, went into waist well, I think in July, went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it.

2:10:11And, uh, when they put in the BPC there that, that one time in November. And, um, so that was like, that was a thing. And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene marathon on time for me. I'm healthier than now that I've ever been. I've retired. I've done more specific training. All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right? Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti-hunting way. So he's got that. And you're also your time, your running time.

2:10:53He's is he 18 years younger than you? Yes. And your running time is very similar to his. His last marathon. Yeah. And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won your age class, is quicker than last year's by quite a bit. Yeah. What people don't understand is last year your fucking foot was broken. I didn't run last year because I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before. Right. Was your foot broken then? No. No. Okay. So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot. Yeah. That's amazing. But how much quicker? 10 minutes? My very best time was in 2006.

2:11:39Me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250, like 21 in New York. I ran 250 quite a few times, like Boston. When I ran with Lance in 2008, I did run 250 again, and that's when we finished together. And, you know, Truett and I were talking about this, too, just the other day, because Truett, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a 216. so we were talking about this and it's just my training and even his training because I'm not a coach and I don't know I just run to get in shape for bow hunting okay I don't I'm not a pro but and I had him run and he's very talented but I didn't know how to coach him either so he hired a real coach and when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from, I mean, I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast and we did a really fast run.

2:12:43We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done at mile seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, okay, my, his name's Jack Siddell. He's like an amazing athlete, has 1400 followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing, talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible. so he won it i ran with him just the other day and he said oh i need to do eight 100 beater strides which is simple essentially sprinting after we ran super hard eight miles climbed a 3 000 or 2 000 foot mountain and uh did this fast pace but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do which is qualify for the olympics right so the stimulus this is what I've never done before.

2:13:30I've never got on the track and did it. All I ever did was just go run. I just run. It's what I do. It's like, how do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way? I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after a mile after a mile, some days, 20 miles a day, because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not, not racing related. Well, with Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's, he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach and like, Hey dad, you need to do this type of stuff.

2:14:05You know, you get on the track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do. Cause you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep, you know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at 2 45 AM. And I did. And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, fuck that dork. I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep. I can still perform. Look at, I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep, but I wasn't performing at my best because my, I had to overcome my body fatigue.

2:14:43So for decades I would work, didn't miss a day of work in 26 years, never called in sick once. I always get my miles in, always get my work done. I was leading the cruise. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I'd still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted. I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could, given those circumstances, was a 250 marathon. All right. So I required three, or I mean, I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna, cold punts. I get, But, you know, I spend, let's see, spend$2 ,000 a month on massage and body work.

2:15:29And now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truett. He ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on a run right before that. He said, Dad, I can't keep up with you. You should be going for the sub 230. He was trying to break 230. He goes, you should be going for the sub 230. You're faster than me. So this was last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was going to break this same record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever. I put up a post and I said PR or ER. I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room.

2:16:07I'm sending it. So I said PR, ER, and I got a PR. I got 239.11, one of the fastest ever for a 58-year-old. And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost 60 years old. But you have to look at the full picture and say, like, this wasn't some just guy who just started running. Been running. I've been running since I'm five years old. I'm 58. I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than any other kid in school, winning in awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay. I've been doing this while I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care.

2:16:51And so this guy said, oh, have you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talked shit about Truett. I don't I'm trying to be nice and be positive. So I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to. I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud USADA. I applaud WADA. I applaud clean sports. I love it. It's it's it's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just due. um for me he he said you know he's talked shit about true which he's already on my radar because i remember true it said hey there's this elite guy who's saying that i'm dishonoring the marathon because i have no chance of getting the standard and you know i said who and he said why is that dishonoring the marathon because he was saying like true is so far away from his time that But it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal.

2:17:41My point was he's a runner just like you. He has a big dream just like you had. Why shit on his dream? Somebody says that this dream, they want to do it. You're a running coach. How would it be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition? That doesn't even make sense. That was just words. The words are associated because he's my son. So that's all that mattered to. But he was on my radar for that. Because Truett told me and I said who and I hadn't didn't even really know who it was. Looked him up. I'm just like, yeah, fuck, whatever. So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on my page after this and he says something like he dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there.

2:18:23And it talked about the shit I was taken from is like complete nutrition, which is like GNC. And it was, you know, if you go to GNC, it's like, you know, mass gainer 2000. So like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not fucking steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything on that thing that I was doing, I was sponsored by Complete Nutrition, all over the counter supplements. It's like there's no fucking EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like. It was just shit that I was lifting weights. That's from 15 years ago? 2011. It's a blog post.

2:18:58He still has it. Yeah. It's like I said, prating around like a trophy. It's like fucking over the counter, whatever. so he said i said are you still talking about that this is like late at night i was kind of irritated didn't doesn't guy irritates me anyway so he said could you pass a you sought a drug test and i said i have no idea has nothing to do with me i don't give a fuck probably not though because i i didn't actually i didn't even know but i know it's very restrictive and i've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show, we don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running.

2:19:35Well, what stuff would you take had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? The stuff you're taking now, like what supplements can you not take? Because there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Peptides are one of them, right? Certain peptides. I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know because I had never looked at the list. I tried to with this when this came up. Well, there's the other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third-party, there's contamination of supplements. That's what happened to Sugar Sean O'Malley, Osterine.

2:20:13It's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes. With this, most of the stuff that you would buy, like a GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take or they'd have to check it out. A lot of stuff couldn't. Right. Because it's like how clean is a lab, how susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them like they're thinking about this shit every day. Like it's their whole life. If they get if they pop hot, their career is over. Yeah. So it's it's a huge deal. I had Jordan Burroughs in here and he wouldn't even try a Kill Cliff CBD drink. Right. He's like, I don't think I can take this. Well, I had Cheeto on my show and I said, hey, you want to try a ketone?

2:20:52he's like i don't i don't know so he called jeff navinsky and he said could i take this ketone iq and jeff said well depends on what batch is approved so the batch of the ketone iq that was made has to be approved the other batch might not be approved so you could fail from that other batch i didn't know any of that shit but he called him right right before we did it so he didn't take it. It's just like, so there's things like that where it's just, it's nonstop. I don't know if I can take this, this, that I've never been in that position. Cause I'm, I just run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists.

2:21:30I've never done anything, but a lot of stuff that, you know, Sudafed is on there. Um, ADHD medicine is on there. You can't take, or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption. That's very interesting. Through doctor. Because you can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance-enhancing supplement. Yeah, theoretically. I don't know if... They'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and if this was real.

2:22:09Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. This was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had TUEs. When they had TRT, VITOR, those those days when guys were taking like large amounts of that shit and that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the fucking charts yeah testosterone right they realized like okay these guys are straight up juicing yeah for sure so but if you're a 60 year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone it's legal yeah yeah it and it should be it's like um the tui thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor-patient relationships.

2:22:46You can say, hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this? Right, of course. And that's always going to be the case. I'm not even talking. All I'm saying is like for, and I've talked to Olympians about this situation because I want to make sure I understand it, right? It's like if I'm as a regular citizen, so there's 9 ,000 runners in the Eugene Marathon. Are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? Right. Are they testing everybody in the Eugene Marathon? They didn't test anybody. Anybody. So there's prize money that's paid out. There's Olympic trials qualifying standards, which are met.

2:23:26So now you're in the Olympic trials. And I don't want to shit on the Eugene Marathon because these smaller marathons, they don't have the money to be testing 9 ,000 people. Of course. Or probably these tests are expensive. So there's something to like if it's a USATF, so United States of America Track and Field Association, if it's one of those events and it's for like a world championship or it's for like a team position, I get it. And it does need to be for the Eugene Marathon with 9 ,000 people. It's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody. Or if you're taking whatever, you need a therapeutic use exemption.

2:24:10Because do you think USADA could review, say, if people are taking three or four different medications times 9 ,000? They don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs, right? It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion, two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair. And I get that. And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said, I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC 157 to try to avoid surgery on my foot. Two years ago. And whatever the fallout.

2:24:46Right. Whatever the fallout is, is what it is, because this needs to be discussed. because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races. And everybody, like on the other side, on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too, trust me, I want clean sport. But they're like saying that like my time was so fast, it's almost into this, they talk about this age-graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said, age-grade like so what that i think is what that looks at is like in my prime if i ran a 239 at age 58 what was my potential when i was in my prime right and it would it's super fast like you know like world like 210 or 212 which would have won the olympics back when i was 25 you know what i mean so i understand why my time it's just like i'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to kind of like this gray area, like, should he be tested or whatever.

2:25:55But all I'm saying, like, if the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude. I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken, what I've done, and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery. But it's also an important point. There's an important point about the sign-up thing for the Eugene Marathon. if there's if you're supposed to not take certain supplements that's supposed to be stated in in the marathon sign up right yeah yeah and it's not yeah and i and i don't i've never i i hardly look at that but there's now after all this i looked at the waivers because you know usada's been they sent me two really nice emails just lovely emails that i haven't responded to and they they're trying to do the best they can but if these waivers say um i looked at the waiver for i did two races this year eugene marathon and cocodona 250 and the waivers mention liability and insurance things doesn't mention anything about us atf or drug testing or any of these requirements there's no mention of it's also what the the thing that doesn't make any sense is first of all, BPC-157 is not a performance-enhancing substance.

2:27:08It helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries. That's one issue. The other issue is it was two fucking years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon. That is long out of your system. It's a smokescreen. We've talked about smokescreens here. What he's doing is basically he's accusing you because you took BPC-157, and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things. I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, stealing. It's like. Yeah, but it's all fine. But this is essentially what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. What we were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful.

2:27:47And they'd be like, fuck that guy, that guy cheats, that guy this, that guy that. Same fucking thing. Yeah. This guy can't appreciate that. Here's a guy who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight hour job. I was your friend then. Yeah. This is real. I know you did this. I was always telling you to quit your job. Yeah. I was the first guy telling you, quit that fucking job. You're killing yourself. I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail. And willpower is really important.

2:28:22Having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass. They will not be able to break through. But will could also get killed, you know, and it could also ruin your life You could hurt yourself to the point, you know, you hurt your back or something to the point where you'd never recover It never comes back like you have to there's like a fine line between mental toughness and and just Being able to see the big picture and go it's actually smart to not be tough here and it's not to deny my toughness I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself That's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep and I saw it I know you did it.

2:29:07I watched That guy's not doing this And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Goggins has where they can do things People go no one could do that the fuck they can't like how many UFC fighters have you seen go and train with Goggins? And they're like Israel Adesanya world champion world-class guy throwing up at a fucking garbage can can't keep up with him Tony Ferguson like who is known in the MMA world for fucking Superhuman endurance Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime. He was El Kukui He was the fucking boogeyman. Yeah, he never got tired Yeah, and even if you heard him it didn't matter who's gonna recover and come back after you he's coming He was coming for your fucking soul That guy was breaking down everybody breaks down and it's he's doing it in silence No one even knows who's doing it with no music.

2:29:56He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him. Yeah He's a fucking full-on psychopath. They are real. There's real people out there that are really living like that. This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals. Meanwhile, he needs to eat one of them fucking bear sticks. They're fucking delicious. Give me another one. I want another one. Fucking awesome. They're great. But it's just what we're talking about. If you and that guy actually had a conversation, thank you.

2:30:32If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras and it was just two human beings having a conversation, I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not. You know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails. Because most of it entails large scale monocrop agriculture. If you're just buying plants, you are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact. End of story. Especially if you start talking about bees. Yeah.

2:31:10And avocados and almonds. Oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You fucking killed 100 billion bees. All right. Stop. Yeah. Outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear sticker to had some real protein, he'd have a better time. Well, I mean, too, right? Yeah. I need some real fucking protein. I am friends with a lot of people just like him and belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum. and it hasn't affected our friendship at all because what I focus on is what do we have in common?

2:31:48We love the mountains. We love to run. We love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody 100%. So I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them. It's like has nothing to do with anything. But for him, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him like the reason why like BPC 157 is banned for Olympians, not for a regular person. Right. We regular people can take it. Right. So I'm just like he's like, do you know what the rules are? And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules. So then he turned that into like he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything, anything he wants.

2:32:29I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like, whatever. So the rules that apply to me is this rule. And if you want to talk about rules, I follow the rules. Like I talked about purchasing. When I was the buyer at my old job for 20 years, I had to go by laws and rules every day. And so I respect that. If it has to do with me, if it affects me, I'm like, okay, I understand it. Well, this one, you start bringing up these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for a race. And I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this.

2:33:08This says if the USATF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug testing, it says related published materials must contain the following language. So when I see that it says that must contain the following language in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or didn't say may because should and may means it doesn't have to. Right. When it says must, it must. So it says it must say this. Athlete who participate in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with you, blah, blah, blah, blah. So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is.

2:33:57Their rules, their own rules say it must be included. I've never seen this language. It was never included in anything that I've agreed to in regard to these races. So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are? No, if they had just the waiver, even if they had a link, like, OK, right. So if they said if you are going to race, you must be held to the standards of this race. Right. You can go visit them on this website. That's fine. I would be like, oh, that was my bad. I didn't do that. Right. They never mentioned it. So if somebody said like I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this.

2:34:30I just thought that it was another maybe you could get a TUE for I didn't even know what TUE was but because I just it's not my world my world is bow hunting I just try to get in as good shape as I can you're not trying to do it for money I've never won money I've never been on a national team if I wanted to be if that was what I was going to do I would know everything about the rules everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take I mean you can't take THC you know I mean they say you can take it but not on the day of competition. So you know how long THC is in your system. Yeah. So you took it the day before, but you're still going to test hot for it.

2:35:09You just can't run high. Yeah, but as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning? Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race, and they could determine whether or not you were actually intoxicated during the race. That's how Nick Diaz got popped. Oh, really? Takanori Gomi. They said his fucking levels were off the charts. And that was, you saw that probably. I don't believe it was. I believe that was, I think that was Pride. And I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States. And they had it in Vegas, I believe.

2:35:43See if that's right. It was a long time ago. I want to say this is, God, I want to say like 2005. It was a big win when Nick beat Takanori Gomi. Takanori Gomi was one of the big stars over in Pride. And Nick he got him with a go-go plato, which is a crazy submission off your back We use the shin against the guy's neck and you grab your foot from behind his head and God nasty But they said he was off the charts He was high as a kite when he was fighting which I fucking love yeah You're not allowed to do that, and I think for good reasons. I don't think you should be allowed but look the reality of these drug tests are is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition and they're a regular user, they're going to have a lot of THC in their system.

2:36:37Right. They just are. And also you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. That's – So what year was this? Apparently the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that, so it was Nevada, a result of 15 is considered positive. But the Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50 tests positive for THC. They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr.

2:37:18Diaz was 175 this creates a unique situation. I was there at the fight I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did I don't You know listen Diaz is gonna be numb to the pain anyway He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived Yeah, I don't I don't know if you can make that argument that it helped you win I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. He you know He probably could go out there high and fight more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyway. So he was one of the best fighters on earth at the time.

2:37:51He's a world-class fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like, prove it. Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway. It's a stretch. I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9 ,000 people or having them, you know, like. Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying, because what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug, it's not even a drug, take that peptide in 2024 for a broken foot, there's no fucking chance that helped you win a marathon two years later. It does not help, other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot.

2:38:30That's not performance enhancing. It's just not. But this guy's kind of a hater. Not a hater. It was which I understand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I admitted that I took it. And it's like at that. And actually that night, I remember I didn't even know when that was. I fucking can't remember when I go went to Wage to Well. It's like I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even fucking remember. So then I got a hold of him. I said, no, I need, you know, the details of my, my treatment. And, you know, it was in November of 2024 and I'm like, okay, well, but anyway, that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell.

2:39:06I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC one, five, seven. And it's like, I didn't know when that was, but I just kind of, because he was like coming at me. I'm just like, no, fuck off. It's like, I do all this. I don't know whether it's approved or not. It doesn't, has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm fucking bow hunter. so I was like kind of wanted to just let's shit on him at that time well he got what he needed because admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal because it's banned just for them not for me and that then he could go to USADA and say oh this guy took a ban and they're you know now they're like it sucks it's like they're in a position where I don't know it's just like so much the public knows about it so much it's like you know I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit I'm just like I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries it's just like I'm not trying to win a fucking the my age category of marathon and then they'll turn it into like well that's not fair to the other people who are are performing clean I was just like it's not we don't even know who's what people are taking I was like I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful everybody else just lies yeah well maybe maybe lies maybe doesn't but the the the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries and if you're going to run marathons like the way you run them with very fast times you're probably training really hard if you're training really hard you're probably going to get injured.

2:40:45Yeah. Yeah. It's just, but it's a hater thing is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar. So this is the thing. He's attacking your character, but it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. This guy's an elite athlete. No one knows who he is. You know, that's part of the problem. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times, like that's like, how how's that possible he's 18 years older than me fuck this guy no one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them no no and or yeah i mean and i get that i mean i i'm a human too i understand how that can happen but like to call me like a doper trying to discredit everything i've i've done it's just like it's so not even real the approach to use is to just be honest lay it all out and leave it alone yeah uh i don't think like going after this guy and talking a lot of shit is in any way beneficial i don't i don't want i want him i want everyone to succeed i don't have anything personal against this guy i didn't like he was talking shit about truett i didn't even that it's just it's just haterade he just sees truett running with those fucking perfect jeans on and looking all handsome he's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner which drives people nuts too yeah and then he also won the world pull-up challenge like look when someone breaks the world record at pull-ups that is a fucking extraordinary human being period and for you to discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that well you're a fool yeah this isn't just a regular person right this is a person who broke the world fucking record for chin-ups or pull-ups yeah that's a crazy thing to do yeah to do thousands of pull-ups in 24 hours Rip your fucking hands to shreds.

2:42:37Yeah, that's an extraordinary person for him to not recognize that he's being a bitch. Yeah, it which is fine. It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have. Yeah. And especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say, you know how some people would say, oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border. Racist. Right. Racist. You're a Nazi. Right. You're a cheater. So to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else because it's like, oh, that guy.

2:43:17So now I'm kind of tainted by with that language. When the fact of the matter is this is years ago. I don't take any I mean I take plenty like fish oil magnesium all this other bullshit Trace gives me but the like the level of doping I know about I don't know shit I don't even I don't know EP I know we've talked about this before but I don't even know really what EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something so there's more oxygen but I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs I'm just like, I don't, I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird.

2:44:01And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, extreme long distances, your testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing at these huge races with low testosterone or higher estrogen, they perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the TRT maybe. And so I haven't, like I had, I had, um, I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of 10 and anybody who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, if I don't care if it's meth or fucking testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper.

2:44:45Right. So I haven't done it because I'm, I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run. But low body weight too. That's a big factor. Yeah. I'm like one 48 is what I got down to when I ran. What are you right now? Like 52. Wow. When I met you, you were in the eighties. Yeah. I was just lifting. I just, I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day. And I wanted to be like, I thought like for hunting, I needed more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for, for like 148, still very strong compared to like a normal 148.

2:45:28So I, I'm still able to do the task I need to do, carry heavy loads when I kill. You've optimized. Yeah. So, well, this is the big factors the weight because i'm pretty heavy yeah and i i notice the difference you know like uh i've lost uh i when i hunted a few years back i got down to the 190s early one like 192 or 193 and i felt way lighter yeah like you would think 10 pounds because right i weighed 202 this morning you would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal it's a big deal yeah it's a big when i work out uh and i put a 25 pound weight vest on yeah it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin-ups and push-ups and dips.

2:46:06It's amazing. And it's only 25 pounds. And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on. Well, and I've told Truett this too. It's like he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run the Olympic trials qualifier, or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like 140. So I said - Which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity. Yeah, I mean, you got to be light. Yeah. So I said, you can't be 160 and compete. What is he at now? He's like 58. And what is he trying to get down to?

2:46:43He's got to be in the 40s. Got to be like 140. Oh my God, he's going to look like Skeletor. The guy who I just ran with, who ran Eugene and set the course record and all that, he's 135. He's probably like 6 '1". Whoa. That's just the name of the game. Right. Like the East African's super light. The guy who just broke the world record of the marathon is like 135 or no, no, 115. Jeez. Tiny little guy. So it's like. Makes sense. That's just, that's just performance. Right. That's just what it takes. A huge engine, a light body. Right. And so like to, to paint me this way when I was turning to avoid surgery, haven't taken BPC since then.

2:47:26It's just, it's kind of just. I think all you can do is state your case, and I think you just did, and you just did it really well. And I know you, and I can speak for you. You are as honest a human being as I've ever met in my life. You don't lie about anything. And you are – and it's also why you work so hard. You work so hard so you don't have to lie. I mean, you're an insanely hard worker. I didn't lie about this either. I mean, that's what – I just said, yeah, I did. I didn't remember when, but looked it up. Here's when it was. Whatever. You know, this guy's got to get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with him on Keep Hammering Collective.

2:47:59Yeah. I mean, I don't – I would talk to anybody. I don't – you know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time. People – there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them. And so you kind of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative. You know, you attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. Yeah. They like to turn someone to not even a person. That's how people have to do that with war. They love to do that with religion.

2:48:31It's easy to garner support with keywords. Using keywords that nobody could defend would be like, okay, we got that. That'll work right there. And so that's where the Nazi or the doper, the racist, that's why those words are always out there. It's like because they're powerful. Exactly. That's exactly. And when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words and it buys you some time. Yeah, there's that. And there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing, really. They think they're justified in what they're doing.

2:49:07Really, it's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit. One thing that I did, I think part of this, I don't want to be demonized about like with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized. But one thing I think a lot of people, because as you said, a lot of people are taking these peptides. A lot of people are doing the TRT stuff. I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened as far as distrust in the health. I mean, basically our health and wellness category, like it started maybe with Obamacare. People are having trouble getting in their doctor. Doctors quit because it's too frustrating. So people, we've had a hard time getting medical treatment, like to be healthy.

2:49:48And then COVID happened and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said. So I think people like they see that the writing was on the wall. They couldn't get in their doctor. The doctor was like just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up. Right. And it feels like it was after COVID for now, like you got a ways to well, and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to, they want to help you feel better, like live like an optimized life.

2:50:19Like you're old, but you don't have to feel old. And so they're like, they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we don't need to do that. But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it and they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here. This, this, that we could add this, we could try this. And then all of a sudden you start to feel better and you're like, well, these people care about my health. The doctor, what'd he care about? Writing prescriptions. The doctors, they're playing a totally different game, as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched.

2:50:50So it's no wonder that waist wells and like these other treatments, maybe bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide. I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing. And the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to be on board with that because most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians. they're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy and that's me. While they're working a full time job most of them. Well I think you laid your case out and I gotta pee. So let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home Congratulations on your bear hunt You got two giant monsters.

2:51:28Oh yeah, John and Jen Yeah, shout out to John and Jen Rivet I'm gonna try to come next year, I swear. Love those guys Love those guys. I love that place they have up there too It's crazy and for people who don't know So these bear have no natural predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves. They're ruthless predators, opportunistic hunters. They eat each other. Just to put that in perspective, in Alaska, they're flying out of helicopters shooting bear. Yeah. Because not enough are getting killed, so they wipe out all the ungulates.

2:52:08Yeah. So it's like it's an issue. You just don't know about it. People don't know that Alaska is flying and helicopters is leaving Bear after they kill him. I know. And everybody thinks of Bear as just Yogi. Yogi and Boo Boo. And, you know, come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real shit. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I remember when, you know, I've told this story. You know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we were out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. And we were like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah, they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies.

2:52:40So that's like – It's crazy. That's quite a ways from where we hunt now just because – Isn't that crazy? A grizzly starts coming in the bait. Yeah. That's a problem. You got to get out of there. Especially – I like to sit on the ground. And they need to start hunting them up there too. They do. I know. You know, this is the – when they changed that law in BC, they made it a fucking disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now. Yeah. And it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And it's ballot box biology. It's people that – they're trying to be good people.

2:53:08Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah, these cruel assholes. They just want to shoot this animal for its skin. Yeah, fuck them. They just want to Show it a big man. They are by killing an animal like that guy calls me a trophy hunter like he's like he's like, oh I understand deer and elk hunting but not bear. It's just like well, you don't know what did you just eat? How is that bear we just how is that any different than deer and elk? My daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy because Steve Rinella taught me a recipe called bear candy, how to make this like, you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear, and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal, but with bear, it was fucking delicious, and I served it for my kids and my daughter.

2:53:50I think she was just trying to jostle people up a little bit. I ate bear. Well, Jen makes some badass bear stir fry. Oh, it's fantastic. Her bear meat is fantastic. I was just thinking to myself, if Mountain Offs has those new freeze-dried meals, maybe I need to get some. Right, dehydrate it. Get some bear meat in there. Yeah. Because those things are good. Remy makes his own food. He does it all in a dehydrator, then rehydrates it in camp. He vacuum seals his own stuff. Some of those meals do. Yeah. Well, it's the best way to do it, too, if you want to eat clean. If you want to eat clean in the mountains, you can get a dehydrator.

2:54:23For that energy. Because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using for calories matters. 100%. So especially on a long hunt, if you can, like we had, I had some mountain ops, uh, freeze dried in there like chicken Alfredo. That's just fucking good, good calories. 100%. And also electrolytes. Boy, I, it changed for me when I started using element, when I started throwing element in my water when I was out there. Giant difference. Get those electrolytes. That's the first thing I drink in the morning is an element. Yeah. Because I know I'm, cause I run every day. I know – I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much I run.

2:55:02For sure. Like I run so much. Like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat. And wet clothes sitting on my skin makes all these sores from running for hours in a wet shirt. That's crazy. I know guys wear their nipples out. They have to put – Yeah, that happens. I wear like a – Band-aids? I wear like a – A bra? Well, it's like a little running pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces, and it's like just being wet. That's crazy. It makes sores on your skin just from a T-shirt. It does, just from being warm. Maybe you should start running in silk. Just from being warm.

2:55:39But I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, it sets me up for the whole day to be able to perform at a higher level. Yeah, even just some sea salt in your water. You need minerals. Everybody does need electrolytes. All right. Let's wrap it up. Yep. All right, buddy. My brother, I love you to death. Love you too. You're awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to come on here. And this is all very important stuff to talk about. And one more time, that number for everybody. I want to call that number. I know. Call your centers. 202-234-3121. Say roadless rule needs to stay intact.

2:56:17Mike Lee can suck a big fat one. America. Fuck yeah. Bye, everybody. Bye.