#2519 - Scott Eastwood

24:50Like you didn't think about this. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated and the most like looked out, like make sure that they don't come near you, psychopathic perverts. Like psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that want to go in women's bathrooms, guys that want to like grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying. And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, fuck, I missed the boat. Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit.

25:32Pretending you're a woman. I think we should just be able to hunt them. Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep. Real perverts? Yeah. The thing is, like, child molesters? Yes, 100%. No problem. Just let's go hunt them. Well, they're broken. And I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons. Which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of crazy. Like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs.

26:09They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic. Like, okay. Yeah. That breakdown of culture because of some very extreme groups is pretty scary. It's scary. It's super scary. It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along.

26:48It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans that are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. all these like liberal people like yeah we love muslims everyone's amazing so they got a muslim mayor and the first thing he did is like no more pride flags it's illegal because what he would like is sharia law like if you ask the majority of practicing muslims like worldwide how many of them would like sharia law and it's it's a it's not a small amount you know that's their religion that's what but the problem with that is like you can't push that on other people if you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day wonderful you should be able to do that a 100%.

27:32Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's all sorts of different ways of worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that, first of all, grossly deteriorate women's rights, grossly. That's bad. That's when it falls apart. And that's their culture. And you have to understand that they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to.

28:12But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other. Yeah. But when you get a country like England, it just lets them in mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting the society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey, we're going to make new laws to protect you because you need to protect.

28:55So you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts. I've been hearing about that. It's nuts. More than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined. Yeah. It seems it seems as if, you know, the grab for power is is just, you know, done in plain sight now. Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So like when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know.

29:30And what are you going to do? All get together with shovels? What are you going to do? Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go get grandpa's bird gun. Fuck what we doing. Get grandpa's bird again. That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Yeah, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're going to come out on the other end of this. But it's going to be real hard with this right versus left bullshit. No, well, but, you know, not to toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people. and you've pulled in like almost, I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat GPT and I would say, can you tell me about this thing that, you know, and then the, Oh, would you want to hear an two hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such.

30:28And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and read about something. You're like, oh, that's an interesting point. Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly. And not also like, um, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they, They can understand why it's important to be interested in something, like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you, try new things out.

31:10Like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better. I feel good. People like tasks. They like that. We should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers. You know what's interesting is so I turned 40 in March, and I decided I was going to take the year off, so essentially 39 to 40, right? because I've been working head down for 20 years. I hadn't looked up. I've been living out of a suitcase. Movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever, you know.

31:45Where am I going in the next 10 years? Kind of my thinking. And I actually got more depressed.

31:55I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed. and it kind of just goes back to just stay busy. Get up and do shit. Well, the thing is you're busy but you're busy doing what you love and that is a gift. That's a real gift. Yeah. And we're both very fortunate in that regard and anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry, you're doing what you love, you're so lucky. Create. Go out and create. Don't take. Yeah. Be a creator in anything. Like if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes. Yeah. Have a purpose and create.

32:31Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators. I was actually listening to podcasts and a guy said that. And I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think, because you're giving society something you didn't have. It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah. And that's good for you, for sure. And I think, unfortunately, look, I don't want the responsibility to be the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. Oh, you're not the only person. But you are. But I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things, should be in schools.

33:13Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. Show them cool shit where they realize, like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize, like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks. I just got to get a job. And then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs.

33:48And then next thing you know, you're 35. and you don't know what the fuck you're doing and you're stuck, you know, and that's a lot of people. A lot of people listening to this right now. And it's because they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. Go do the thing, get the job, go do the thing. Encourage that curiosity. Whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever thing you're interested in, there's gotta be a thing. You just gotta find that fucker. You can get good at anything. Yeah.

34:16And that will produce money. is like the also part of the problem is culturally i think we we place too much value in like becoming rich and oh you got to do this and it's like no no hold on don't miss the point get good at something and you'll that you love and then that will produce if you get good enough anything you'll make money at it for sure but the problem is like with kids it's everything today They want it fast really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't want to go on a diet. They want Get you know, whatever it is Fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with scams crypto Anything where they're gonna get rich quick, you know, whatever they're gonna do to get rich quick Because it's like this this tick-tock mind culture where people just want that easy quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work when you think about a job or going down a career path like acting for instance like what you did first of all you did it you would think oh great clint eastwood's his dad he'll help him no fucking i made it worse for me people are like nah you had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go oh yeah scott's actually really good like because it's always going to be your clint eastwood's kid oh yeah you know and then he didn't fucking help you but like your grind was i know you your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and and putting in the work most people see that and they go wait how long is it gonna take what 14 years 20 years what like when we talk to comics that's a big big thing that comes up in comedy clubs like most comedians say a comic isn't even really comic till 10 years 10 000 hour rule right i mean i don't know if that's real this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog.

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38:18But I think intention is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time. Yeah. Like if you're just mailing it in in the gym, it's not the same as I'm going to build this or get really good at that. Yeah, 100%. Especially skills-related things. Like jujitsu is a perfect example of that. Jujitsu, 100 % you get better the more you do it. But 1 ,000%, if you drill correctly and you have mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, you really truly understand leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, When there's no escape, if you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just resisting hard with people.

39:00And you'll get somewhere, but you won't get nearly as far as you would get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10 ,000-hour thing is – there's something to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get. But really it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do. That is as if not more important than the time. Like it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to like look at it as objectively as possible. You know, especially if you're like with jujitsu is a thing. It's like your ego is involved because you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated.

39:39And so you don't want to try things. So you keep a tight game and you never grow. And it's your ego actually holds you back by that. And that, but telling people that it's going to take that long, if you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh God, it's too much work. Well, also, I think the thing you realize, you know, as your ego gets stripped from you doing jujitsu is that you realize it doesn't matter what level I'm at. There's always going to be a thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out. And you realize how much, how, like, you're like, no, I kind of am a pussy.

40:17You're like, I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I, you know, you know now. You really know. Well, I really know because I work for the UFC. Yeah, you know. I'm always around, like, every week and dozens of guys can kill me. Yeah. And there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels, you know. When a guy like Ilya Teporia knocks out Max Holloway, you're like, whoa. And then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Teporia like, whoa. It's like there's so many guys out there. You have to be humble. And it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional. Yeah. But my point was, for young people, they have to get interested in the path.

41:00It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every Every day every every effort you put into it Do it whatever the fuck you're doing do it to try to get better at that thing and eventually success will come You're gonna have to manage that success. You're gonna chase it You're gonna have to figure things out, but the most important thing should always be the path That's true. Yeah, I think that's it in everything and anything you do if you're making music if you're writing books It can't be I'm going to sell a million copies.

41:35It's got to be I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read. But I think I also think we need to push. Because of this whole quick money and thing, the morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people. You know, do the right thing. When you say you're going to do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it, complete it. Don't just, you know, people just are so sue happy and this culture of, you know, oh, whatever, fuck them. We can just do whatever we want. It's like that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people. You know, you've got to have a code and a value system.

42:22That's what my dad, I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise. That's all you have in this life is your word. so it's like you gotta do something you gotta like your dad should have been president why didn't he run for president because he did politics he would have fucking won I know he's the mayor of Carmel yeah and then he said never fucking again because he realized it's people like he would have been a fun president though he would have been I don't know if I would have liked it though then it would have been like everyone everyone would have come after me for no reason bro you would have been Don Jr.

42:58Jesus Way to put me in the box Roped up into some crypto scheme Everybody would hate you Making billions Yeah, geez Louise Yeah Yeah, politics are dirty I wouldn't have done it either if I was him But when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like Finally, finally A guy who is good at acting I mean that's kind of what the president is it's a role. Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader and the way you behave it's very formal. The way you communicate is very formal. And actors are going to be better at that. Like Josh Brolin, that guy could be the president. 100%. That dude could kill it as the president.

43:45He looks like a president. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes, that's right. He played Bush. He could be president. You know I know they tried to get the rock to run yeah, I think he was thinking about it. Yeah, not much Yeah, or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of he was toying with he was like yeah I'm gonna do it. He's very smart with social media. Yeah, he's a wizard at that stuff But I think he's too smart to run for president. Yeah, you're not crazy like get that giant ass pro wrestler Did that guy he should be our president At least we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents.

44:23That would be nice. Now that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. It's like, okay, great. You got to be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of like fight or some sort of physical like competition because you can't just be, you know, you got to be athletic. You got to be, you know, that would be cool. It's already a giant show anyways. We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms. Anybody who wants to be present. That'd be good. You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it. We do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or, you know, night vision cameras.

44:58Freak out. Yeah, yeah. We want to know how well you handle God. But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right? Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you could see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and you'll never think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real. Oh, no, trust me, I did 5-MEO, and it was, I mean, that was some life-changing stuff.

45:31Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, oh, my God, I killed myself. Yeah. Like, I'm not around anymore. Yeah, yeah. And I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. Like the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. I mean, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it. Whoa. And I was like, I'm just so— I would have got uncomfortable after about five seconds at Billy K.

46:05Scott. Go cry on the couch. That's enough. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro?

46:13You handsome bastard. Get off of her. But it was powerful. Well, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. And you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human. And the feeling of it is so like you're a part of everything in the universe. And there is no particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one has ever done it and go, I didn't think it was that big a deal. Everybody who does it is like, wow. I know a few prominent right-wing people that have done it. They would completely change their life.

46:59A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names. But then they want to talk to me about it. and they're like yeah so i'm i'm a different person now like whoever i used to be i'm not that guy anymore like that's that's because once you know once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules everything everywhere is connected there is no space there's no space between anything everything is filled with something yeah it's all a soup it's a giant soup of energy and vibration and it kind of made kind of actually It made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is that it could help them.

47:44And I was like, oh, man, that that is sad. The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God.

48:28Now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the Internet. I think it's really it really started to change where I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was even before social media, because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences. And people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin. And people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular.

49:02But then all the Terrence McKenna stuff that he was talking about, DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there. And then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like, what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it. And they often do. And so that just alone gives me hope.

49:43Because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something. Well, was it – and I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard. Was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress weed use? The alcohol lobby has. Did it also go to psychedelics as well? They haven't yet. No. Well, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake. Sure. The diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost them money. Yep. It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies.

50:30Explain. Yeah. They lobby prison guards unions. They lobby. There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws, keep them on the books so they can keep locking people up. Sure, because that's a massive business, right? Yeah, their business is keeping people in cages, which is really fucking crazy. Yeah, that's pretty good. It's really crazy that someone who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. And get locked up for something that no— Nonviolent crime. Yeah, and especially marijuana. Like, most Americans don't think that it should be illegal.

51:05It's a large number. It's like more than 70%, I think. What amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity. See what the universe says. I would say it's about 67 % of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Legalized. Yeah. What do you think about all drugs being legal? It's a tough argument because for sure you're going to lose some people. If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl, right? I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to pick it up.

51:46But some people will. 70%. 70 % of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 % to 89%. U.S. adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with only about 11 % wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it. So, look, I'm actually, Pot never agreed well with me. And I think I have, I always, I got a little scared and paranoid sometimes where I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something.

52:24I was like, ooh, this isn't, I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go psychoschematic. So did it just make you scared or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was? No, I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain, you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now, I can see why because, like, you know, mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. Yeah. And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Potches never agreed with me. I think what I like about it is when it wears off.

53:04I like that fear. I like like Joey Diaz says go meet the devil I think there's some benefit to freaking out because then it calms down and you have more perspective but I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life you can't think about those on a regular basis you got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking and then marijuana is like what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of and you're like oh But I will say, as you know, important, like before the frontal cortex is like fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically.

53:47Yes. Right? Yes. And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not, I think that's with anything, right? Yeah, I don't know if it causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high. Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to fuck your head up. Yeah. It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development. And it's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well.

54:21It's very important. 100%. It's your operating system. Don't screw it up before it has a time to like. And just for hee-hees and ha-has because you're bored in math class, you want to get high all the time. You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it, and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you.

54:51It is fucking bad for the development of your brain. Look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe you're always going to be smart, and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you, if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better. You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you. And, you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like the kids at parties, drinking, having a good time. It's fucking bad for you.

55:24Don't do it. Yeah, yeah. But you can't – you also can't tell them don't drink because if you tell them don't drink, they just want to drink. You just got to kind of inform them. Well, Europe tends to have like a better – it seems as a whole – I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems like – Yeah. You know, their ease into it, right? Have a little. Like less is more. Yes. Like with anything actually. Less is more. Yeah. It's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not that big a deal. That Protestant culture we have is very rigid.

55:59It's like, don't do this or you're going to die. It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's fucking dead. Like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite. Because you are fucking annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack. Fuck you, dad. You don't know what you're talking about. So to get back to your question, the problem with legalization is you're going to have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally because it's legal. But what about when you're of age?

56:31Like, I don't know, call it 25. Yeah, but even then, you're going to have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However. And what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now. So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs during Prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol Prohibition. That's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through.

57:10So what are we doing? Are we empowering them? Or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits, block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment? I was also thinking from a quality perspective too. That too. You're like, hey, that's cool. We get it. People are going to do this, but we're going to monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is. Yeah. Look, alcohol is legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act.

57:45They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics. And alcohol is legal and it's everywhere. And these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night. And their life is going to be a mess. They're going to die of liver poisoning. That's normal too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world. Yeah. And you got to like trust a little bit that. Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that Cocaine heroin and meth are now all legal.

58:16It would be really hard to sell them. Yeah, but I think Ultimately, I mean what probably MDMA for us. Yeah all those other things that those are less Troublesome, you know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but to people definitely abuse it They get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit. Oh, right. Yeah, that was a campaign I think it was probably just some internet horseshit. Let's find out what it does. Does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what perplexity has to say. They started using it as couples therapy, right?

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1:00:17No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan. But high or repeated doses can damage serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So where did the holes idea come from? Anti-drunk companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers, That sounds terrible. I chalk up all this. It's like moderation to everything.

1:00:57Yeah. Less of everything. It's like I disagree with some people that I really trust. You know, what's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino? The carnivore doctor? Yeah. I really like most of what he says when he's like, don't drink. It's like, well, maybe. But also, it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. Yeah. And it's nice, like, that's important too in life. And I think balance, we can, you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme. And then you're just like the social life and you're, you know, can't, you know, go out and like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

1:01:36Yeah. That's important. Moderation. Moderation. And you're absolutely right about social life being, loneliness kills people quicker than anything else. 100%. Yeah, people that are lonely, they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes. Isn't that crazy? Well, it's bad for you. Being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. It feels bad. Probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends. You're laughing. I love you. I love you too, bro. It's great. It's great. It's great for people.

1:02:08Yeah, you're going to feel like shit. Take your electrolytes. Take your electrolytes. Drink a lot of water. Balance. Get in the fucking sauna. Yeah. Yeah, don't do it every day. Don't do it every day. Get an IV. Dave Chabelle taught me that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get vitamin IVs in the morning. They would do it all the time, big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol. Yep, yep. You'd go into like, Dave would have a room. You'd go into the room and there'd be like eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags, talking shit.

1:02:43It was fun. That sounds good, but it's smart like that's how you counteract the fact that look he takes a lot There's a lot of benefit particularly for his job, right? Like Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society What better way to do that than to be talking shit with your friends with a couple drinks in you? Imagine all the things you would have missed. Yeah, that wouldn't have been in your comedy that wouldn't have been in your life Yeah, I knew you've just I gotta go home now. Yeah, it's eight o 'clock I got to go home. You're like, well, that's boring. You become a boring person too.

1:03:17But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like, oh, I've done this dance before. I got to get up at six. Yeah. See you guys. Yep. There's good to that too. It's like you have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you were saying about vitamins. Like I'm get off the boat. I'm on the boat, you know, like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables. All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms of like— They're all bonus, right?

1:03:48Yeah. Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio. You have to hit weights. You've got to stretch. You've got to get good sleep. Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain. Above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy, and I'm very aware of that, and I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free. Do you have ADHD? Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, same. I think everybody does. Anybody who's any good at anything has it. Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD. I think it's a superpower. No, I do too. I always tell people, and you're probably dyslexic.

1:04:24No. You're not dyslexic. Okay, because that goes hand in hand quite often. Are you dyslexic? I'm dyslexic. So explain to me what you see when you see text. I jump. Oh. I jump. So you need to go left to right. Uh-huh. My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes. Is it regardless of the subject matter? Like if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? Yeah. Now, it just takes intense focus for me to read. And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better. But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time.

1:05:10So I get tired very easily. And then it's like, oh, and I get, you know, I get a little frustrated, tired, and then I fall asleep. Like that. I do fall asleep if I try to read at night. But I don't have a hard time reading. So I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that have it and I don't understand. I'm like, so you see it, right? And you're going through it. But what is going on in your brain where it's making you jump back and forth? I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't know. And regardless of the, like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read.

1:05:42You know, like, what if you just, like, won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail. Oh, I'm reading that incorrectly. You just won$5 billion. And you're like, wait a minute, do I owe$5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this. Read this for me. Yeah. No, I don't, yeah, it's just, I don't know if it's about, it's about the. Text messages are cool? Yeah, I mean, it's all, it just, it's harder. And now, you know, like when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost mandatory in schools. If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking.

1:06:15They give you more time for reading. They have, you know, teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can use now. Yeah. So I got kind of boned. Can I check something here? This is something weird. Could be related. I've been seeing this a lot online, and I'm very curious about this. People are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link. people are taking Zyrtec and Pepsid-AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking.

1:07:01Huh. Interesting. And this is where I'm like, I don't know. It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin, and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's a reaction to histamines? That's the mixture of Zyrtec. Because Zyrtec is more like allergies. Everyone's into that. Pepsid-AC is like acid and acid reflux. There's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that haven't, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on.

1:07:36Whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that. But other stuff, you're just scatterbrained, and they'll say, oh, you have ADHD. You know, or, you know, you're thinking a million things at once. You can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD. But everyone I know that has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing. Sure. As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget to eat. Well, you know how some people, when pressure, sorry to cut you off, when like you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold.

1:08:11Right. When you squeeze, typically I excel. So I don't know it where that comes from but when you put the pressure on I mean That's why maybe you know I can do the job. I do it's like there's 200 people looking at you right ready It's an emotional scene. You gotta yeah yourself to tears or it's an emotional. It's like you squeeze Some people are good at it. Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan You know that's also part of it. It's like you know your dad wasn't gonna help you out You really were out there like if you want to make it in anything you have to be able to perform Like no matter what it is if you're a lawyer when you're in court you have to perform You have to you have to be able to like keep your shit together and execute That's your job relies on that And if you're a focused person you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus And that you can execute when when it's important.

1:09:05It's like People that avoid things that make them uncomfortable. They never develop that skill and that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything. It's being able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important. And we're missing that in life. We don't have these life or death moments that our ancestors had all the time where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the fucking camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war. We don't have that. So we don't have a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.

1:09:43Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow, it's a World War II movie. Lucky Strike, I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men had that, right? Because they, I mean, World War II, I talked to my dad about it. What it was like, he was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on. But he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles because it was we didn't know what was going to happen i mean people were scared for their life even back home in america they didn't know what was going to happen and that i think is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed yeah you know and you know you've said it before on your podcast it's like the hard hard men you You know, create easier times, easier times create.

1:10:38It's like the cycle that we're in. It's, yeah, I don't know. It's, I don't know, I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little harder men. 100%. Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes. That's toxic. That's criminal behavior. Okay. Masculine behavior is not, it's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call him at 2 o 'clock in the morning because you need a favor. You're stuck on the side of the road.

1:11:14Like, all that shit is important. Strong people are good. It's good to have strong people. Like, and this idea that somehow or another strength is bad for society is, like, really crazy. It's like, no, the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise. And I would say for men you should at least try martial arts 100 percent. It's so good for your brain It's so good for your confidence. It's so good humility And you're also your understanding of like your vulnerability So many people are fucking delusional I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight start fights and you're like do you want to die?

1:11:53Are you trying to die? Because you're gonna you're gonna run into some fucking guy who knows how to fight and he's gonna hit you in the face and you're going to bounce your head off the fucking concrete and you're going to die. So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time. Tested. Yeah. Sharpened. Yeah. Having experience, knowing what it actually is. And it's dangerous. And you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like you've got to grow.

1:12:27And we are we're in a society where people just want relaxation. They want comfort. They want entertainment and they just want to be sedentary. And that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis where a giant percentage of people who act that way, who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves are mentally ill. You said something that was interesting, the being scared, being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is. For me, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing. Oh, yeah. And being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer.

1:13:08You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind and happy because you've accomplished something. You've pushed your boundaries. You've kept pushing them and pushing them and pushing them. How old were you when you started surfing? I was young. eight, ten. Oh, wow. Yeah, I mean, you know, where it was like, and, you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you, and then it's, you know, bigger than the room scare you, and you go through these, and it kind of could be, you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself. Have you ever had a shark situation?

1:13:46I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's been like, oh, my God. Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh, my God. I'm on a styrofoam fucking popsicle stick. There's a difference between seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark you know isn't going to hurt you. What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark? Bro, we're cool, right? No, but look, you spend as much time in the water. You spend as much time in the water as a surfer have done it their whole life, you kind of understand what sharks are going to hurt you. What's going on here, Jamie?

1:14:27Gray-white stalking paddleboarders last week. Oh, great. Oh, good Lord. Do they even know it's happening? It does not appear that way. Oh, my God. How do they not see that fin? They're not looking behind them. Oh, my God. They didn't even see it. Are you sure this is an AI? Oh, it's ABC News. Yeah, it's going around the - Wow. But I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras. Send Help is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. We're somewhere in the Gulf of Thailand. Getting us out of here should be your focus. I'm your boss. You work for me. You're not in the office anymore.

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1:15:46They fuck people up. I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830-something. And the story is, I don't know if this is true, Jamie. Pull this up. See if it's true. The guy's name supposedly, rest in peace, Tommy, Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock, and his response was, fuck that gator. That was the last thing he said. And then the gator killed him.

1:16:28He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836. Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou. But that is one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said. Fuck that gator. Fuck that gator. Right before he died. He's probably drunk as fuck. Not respecting nature. Drunk as fuck. He jumped in a water. Fuck that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know, humility. You got to have a little humility, Tommy. Tommy, don't say fuck that gator. Here it is. Man mocks alligator, jumps in water, and is killed. Oh, this is recent. No, no. No, it was 2015.

1:17:07So what is the story? What does it say? Does it say he said, fuck that gator in this article? He said, fuck that gator. So there's a sign that's posted. It says, no swimming, alligators. And he went and swam. Oh, yeah, it said he removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning, and he said, blank that gator. Blank the alligators. Fuck. He said, fuck. I'll tell you, they say blank. Why didn't they just write F dash dash dash? jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help. That could have been what the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him.

1:17:42Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F word to the news. Right, right, right, right. To the news. Yeah.

1:17:49Immediately yelling for help is crazy. No bueno. Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back. We went alligator hunting, and they're everywhere. Like, it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades. There's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. They're everywhere. It's not hard to find them. They're fucking all over the place. How many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought it would be like hunting elk. You've got to go find them. We'd be glassing for them. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call.

1:18:28Do you hear that out there? No, no, no. No, no, no. There's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one another alligator killed. They're fucking look at this No, thanks dinosaurs. Where's this this guy's tent? Yeah. Oh, God bro run. Yeah, get that video off What is I've seen this isn't this in like Brazil? I think so. Yeah, this is in Brazil. I think this guy eyes Oh fuck all that look all the eyes. Oh, I didn't see that Yeah, that was what I was trying to get there. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. So they must all come out of the water at night, and this dude put his tent there.

1:19:07Plus the five on the shore. Oh, my God, dude. That is insane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry. There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat, you know? They're not small either. They're not small at all, dude. They all could eat you. Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was just the sheer numbers of them. And then knowing how many pythons there are. And I didn't see any pythons. But I go, do you guys see pythons? They go, bro. Like occasionally you'll be just driving. You'll see something making its way across the road and it's 15 feet long. No.

1:19:41No gracias. Thick like a fucking football player's thigh. I don't mess with that. See, I don't. I would way rather be in the water with sharks. because at least you can you can you know you can open it right you can see you can climb a tree if you're out in the woods yeah but in the bayou I don't know man it's a swamp it's yeah don't go in the water water there yeah but outside of the water I would way rather be on ground well I mean if you're like if you have you know distance you have a gun you have a lot of things when you're in the water with a shark you're fucked man you can barely move well you can actually if you if you they're really deterrent by if you touch their nose So if they're coming at you and you poke them hit their nose, they're usually gonna turn for real.

1:20:24Yeah, have you done?

1:20:28Come after you don't flip your legs and scream No keep it under water and them in front of them. Yeah pop them on the nose pop them I've heard that before I've heard punch him. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, here it says bop the nose how punching a shark in the face saved this hollow Hawaiian surfer I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark. Well, in Florida, they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video. There's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's the Keys. And they go off of this giant bridge.

1:21:02And it's, like, real far to the water. So they have to have this, like, gaff system where they drop a line down. Then they gaff the fish and then they have to pull it up. They're catching these tunas, and they never get them to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks. There's sharks all over the place down there. Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they'll keep attacking, whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion, right? They sort of think you're a seal or something, and they didn't know, and then they bite, and they're like, ah, okay. Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming.

1:21:32They're like little chihuahuas. Like pit bulls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy? Bull sharks eating a tuna? Oh, really? I thought this was the video, but there's actually no views on that, so maybe not. Well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen, is this in the Keys as well? When I said big shark circling, I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this. Oh, man. Imagine you're pulling a fish in and you see a shark. You're like, you just take it. Take the fish. Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in.

1:22:05They're cut in half. Oh, yeah. So they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. You know, bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made. Do you know the original story behind Jaws? No, I didn't know that. The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in freshwater on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in freshwater. Go fresh and salt, right? Is this the thing? Yeah, 1916. Yeah. Yeah, so this is the—they caught that bull shark, and they killed, I think, two people, right?

1:22:45A series of shark attacks. Four people were killed and one critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United States. It drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey Shore. So they think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in fresh water. They just did a 40th anniversary Jaws screening in that bay, and people sat in the water to watch the movies. Also natural selection. But they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois. Oh, yeah, up the river systems. Yeah, they make their way up the river. That's scary.

1:23:23That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark, and they found them in fresh water. I think that dude that used to have that show River Monsters, you remember that guy? Oh, yeah, I remember the show. Yeah, the guy who just caught fish all the time, like the craziest. A redneck? No, he wasn't a redneck. He wasn't? He was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent. Where was he from? River Monsters. Yeah. I mean, I remember the show. I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it. What's it? Manny from like the... The River Monsters guy. The guy with the gray hair. Oh. He was a fisherman.

1:23:58Jeremy Wade's his name. That's his name. Yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, right? British. There you go. Yeah, British biologist. I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized, like, these things, they go way up the rivers. Yeah. And they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks, I think. Yeah. Maybe some of them can. But I think most of them have to be in salt water, like great whites and stuff like that. But they do, I mean, they've tagged great whites and they'll go around the world.

1:24:29I mean, they thought historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but they found them all over. Yeah. My daughter got really into megalodons at one point in time, so we really started researching megalodons. She got a megalodon, too. Like hunting? No, not really. You know what I mean for the— Oh, no. We just got one online. But you start watching documentaries on megalodons, and then there's the people that think that megalodons might still be out there. And you're like, okay. probably not but either way like the fact that that thing actually exists pretty wild shark the size of a whale they're fucking everything up yep like you you wouldn't be surfing if there was megalodons would you i probably still would i mean i i mean i don't i don't know i mean it's not a bad way to die i guess swallow your whole son you'll have to get you'll suffocate and get digested you're out there doing something you love yeah that's a good story i guess for other people i mean it'd be pretty quick you know what's worse what's worse you've lived this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last five to seven years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this that or just bam get hit by a shark i don't know i think kind of yeah Yeah, I could see it, I guess.

1:25:50But still, the instinct to stay alive is so strong. Yeah. When I'm 100 years old and in my bed, I'm like, baby, they're going to have a new drug. It's going to bring me back to life. Yeah. They probably will be able to do that too, which is going to get real weird. If they really can take old people, like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells, at least in a lab. They've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60-year-old skin cells and make them 20 again. Yeah. That's going to be really weird. Well, I just don't, here's the thing. I'm all about living the best version of your life, being as healthy as you can.

1:26:30Maybe not for, like, whatever you get, like being optimal. But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite? Yeah. And that it's, like, people are just like, I'm going to live forever. It's like, I don't know if I want to live forever. Yeah. No, there's something to that, man. Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. I mentioned him earlier. What happens? This guy gets eaten by a whale. No way. It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving. Is it real? I don't believe so. Crawling through that thing's mouth.

1:27:04The guy's just ducked in the whale's mouth? Oh, Christ. No, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving. Oh, Jesus. And then the rest of the movie is about... Getting out? Getting out, I guess. Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body? A real complex plot. 85 to 95 minutes, I bet. He's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude. Yeah, I'm just joking. Oh, my God. And it just keeps swallowing it? Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about. Oh, God damn it. Is that real? Is that a new movie? This is the real movie? Yeah, yeah. The movie comes out in October.

1:27:31Oh, my God. I saw the trailer recently, and I was just remembering to think of it. It might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made. I can't decide. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that. What do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out? Of the whale? You have to have a knife yeah you would but how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? forever You're gonna run out of air if you have the scuba tank and you have a knife Do you really think you can get through a whale and how much blubber's thick? I think they got a fish But it's not a fish.

1:28:00It's a fucking bus. It's huge. You're very motivated. That's true. That's true, but you got to get through rib cages I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to have a whole movie If they can't deal with the script Scott, this is the big one We're green lighting that This is it, this is our jaws Oh god, the business sometimes Just, oh it's so bad How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? It's an 80 foot sperm whale And he's got less than an hour of oxygen Oh I don't think that's enough time You don't gotta crawl through 80 feet I think if you kept cutting it up It might throw up if you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing and all that, he might just throw you up.

1:28:47Throw you up. Spit you out. Yeah, he might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would. Like if something was, if you put something in your mouth that started biting your tongue, you'd be like, ah, ah. You'd try to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that too. I'd just start fucking up his tongue. There you go. Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward. I'm glad you have an exit plan. You've got a plan. You're not gonna cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone I don't think you're gonna make through it through that bone unless you go through I don't even know where you would go like the neck I could figure out how to get through on an elk.

1:29:22I'll go that way I would go where the holes are there's holes back here where the you know the guts are and there's holes up here You know like where you'd shoot them if you're shooting a frontal They're not gonna cast you in this movie. They're like though. He's getting out too quick I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm dying of no air I don't think I'm going to make it. Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here. You're going to be somewhere down here. See, I want to get out through the neck. See right there? That's where I want to get out. But all that stuff. Just go to the bottom.

1:29:50Yeah, but it's going to take too long for you to get through all those. No, you go right to the sphincter and just open a little bit more. Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traveling. Okay? You're going to want to go through where you came in. You don't want to go through the intestines. No. And also you're dealing with asses. They're going to burn. And I think you want to cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you've got to dig in. And you've got to make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You've got to start cutting. And maybe you'll get out.

1:30:23Who's greenlit this movie? We need to find out. Yeah. Some crazy person. Maybe it's really good. Josh Brolin's in it. It probably kills. It actually came from a pretty popular New York Times bestselling novel. Oh, my God. Sounds like a pretty good story. They made a movie out of it. There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's alive? Yeah. It was alive. Yeah. And it had this harpoon embedded in it. See if you can find that story. That's wild. Might be some Instagram horse shit. Oh, okay. It's 2007, but. Yeah, fairly recently. I remember.

1:31:03They found this whale, and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, 2007, native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska, made a remarkable discovery. A 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance, an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts. The explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whale's age by surviving the initial attack. Whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its thick blubber. The extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for 100 to over 200 years.

1:31:51Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts, or did they travel to Alaska with that device? That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot, so they probably made good tech, like East Coast manufacturing, and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there, so they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. They shipped it in the 1870s? Yeah. They would ship things by train. They would ship things by train and boats. Yeah, I mean, they always had that. They always had trade. You could always ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns, and they would get the guns shipped to them.

1:32:41They'd either carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country or they could get them shipped to them. Yeah, I went to a shot of movie in Iceland. Oh, God, 20, feels like 20 years. I think it was. 20 years ago. What was it? The movie? Yeah. It was called Flags of Our Fathers. And it was also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort of trade was, it wasn't looked at in the same way I think Americans look at whaling. They're like, oh my God, how dare you? They look at it as normal. Yeah. It was really interesting. They had to stay alive. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, where do you draw the line?

1:33:21And everyone's got this like, oh, you can't kill this, but I can have my tuna tartare. Listen, dude, if you live in Iceland, whaling is on the menu. Yeah. Because you need to stay alive. Like, especially way back in the day. Oh, yeah. There was not a lot of resources in Iceland. Mm-hmm. You know? They have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten. Really? And it's a delicacy. Like, they all love it. See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat. What do you got? That whale was an interesting question, kind of like what I asked.

1:33:57It was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890, it says, because they were very popular. I don't know how specifically it would have gotten in that whale. Interesting. It says, what you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly, Bakstos and his colleagues identified a narrow window, which they believe the whale was shot, somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes.

1:34:39Whoa whales generally become cloudy their eyes become cloudy as the age Found only in Arctic waters the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century But bounce back after demand for whale born whale bone corsets plummeted. Holy shit, dude That was it whale bone corsets were killing all the imagine the whales like why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just want to suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot. They're like, what? No, no, they can't be serious, right? That's what they made them out of? Yeah. Oh, wow. So it had, like, spines from the whale bones.

1:35:20What? So that's what it looked like? Like a core? They turned into, like, almost like a strap? Whale bone. That's whale bone? That's a strange... What? Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood? Steel boning versus synthetic whale bone. They probably ate the whales, and then they were like, oh, look, this excess bone we can use. Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible. Well, no, this says whale bones weren't even made from bone at all. I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California, and they use everything. Really?

1:35:57I mean, everything. thing they use the part of the heart I believe oh it's it's an organ I can't remember they use it in medical operations they pull it out and then they send it on ice they use it for some patching of the heart thing I mean down to everything hooves everything Wow and it's it's actually like fascinating to and you're like, oh, this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different applications, for hide, for all kinds of stuff. Which makes sense because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale is being completely harvested.

1:36:39Completely. Everything is used. Yep. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat and animals are raised on a pasture, like they're supposed to be. Even the way they slaughtered them at this place was super, it was really gentle. And that was their whole thing. It's like, we're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless. And it was just boom, boom, and then it was super well. Was it No Country for Old Men style?

1:37:14Oh, the air bullet thing? Yeah, the bullet to the head. It goes right to the foot. Apparently that just shuts the lights off. Shuts the lights off quick, and then they bleed them out. How badass was that motherfucker in that movie? Javier? Oh, my God. Javier was so good in that movie. Such a creep. It might have been one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah. Because you believed him. Yeah. You believed him. When he's making that dude flip that quarter. Oof. You know? I mean, he gives you the chills. Oh, yeah. That weird haircut. Yeah, weird haircut. Ugh. But it's just the commitment to being a psycho.

1:37:50Like that dude's got some darkness in his eyes. Yeah. Look at that weird haircut. Crazy haircut. God, he just. Javier is a bad motherfucker, dude. There's something about his bad guys that are like this Cape Fear role that he's in now. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made me uncomfortable. Just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep. He plays a real good psycho. Yeah. You know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it. And some guys are like, come on, man. You're a nice guy. Also, the original Cape Fear. I mean, Robert De Niro and the original Cape Fear, man.

1:38:31You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you? Like, to play a bad guy or to play the World War II thing, you've got to play someone from a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? Because you're so nice. Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys? Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was like, you know, the ultimate, right? Yeah, he rules. Yeah, and Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to.

1:39:06You know, you could like act out on your impulses a little bit. You know, you think of something fucked up in your head and you're like, why did I think that? I'm not going to punch that person in the face. Why did I think that? So you kind of like, you know, to like a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you, you could kind of like revel in your own, like messed up thinking. But I don't, I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think, I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best.

1:39:42Ever. Look at you. Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I had to kill a kid there. I had to just do the dirty work and get it done. You even look evil there. Like something's different. Yeah. Look at your face. Doesn't even look like you. Okay. You look evil. You look like genuinely evil. Yeah. Yeah. I was tying up loose ends there. Is it when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil? A little. Look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job. I know. I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that like let things become distorted in your mind. Will you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months?

1:40:20I mean yeah I believe him. Daniel Day like I believe him. I believe him too. So I don't know maybe you know maybe I if you want to be the best I think it comes with a price and that price sanity. Yeah. A little bit of sanity. Uh huh. You gotta give it up My dad was never like that. He was like it's a job Like go to work, do the best you can, put in the reps, make sure you're, you know, you're shit and you come prepared and you have some, something interesting, but I can leave it at the door, man. Yeah. You know, you see people like their minds get twisted and we deal in with artists, right? Artists are, it can be special sometimes.

1:40:57Yeah. And they take themselves very seriously. Yeah. Um, but there's also a certain amount of you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really going to pull it off. And you really did pull it off. So you had to be having some evil thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have some dark greed. I would love to talk to you. I was like, it was a greedy role. Yeah. And I was like, I kind of let the greed take over, which is a little scary. So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the, like when you're getting ready for a scene? Like how do you get your head in that space?

1:41:32Yeah, a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions. Like what I fucking do. I'm gonna take whatever the fuck I want right now. You know, so you sort of, you know, you play that, but then you gotta let it go. Like, end of the day, man, you gotta let it go. You gotta be like, all right, cool, that was that thing. And then, it's gotta be slippery, right? I think it can be if you don't have, if you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories, It's fun. I'm so grateful. I've gotten to do it But it doesn't define me it might have made me But it's not gonna break me right I have other interests and other things and I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life I think you have to have that level of thinking because if you think this is everything and I mean it's too extreme It's like extreme what we're talking about before it can get to it's not healthy.

1:42:38Well a lot of people have problems after roles are done. Like apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman. Yeah. I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got from all accounts the people that work with him on the film he got so into that character that he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time. Yeah we heard a lot of counts like it was like they were like dude you gotta chill. You gotta chill. I mean, I've worked with some that have taken it to the level. Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker. The people are like, hey, man, stop.

1:43:13Stop sending me dead birds. Rats. You dead rats. Shia LaBeouf. I mean, LaBeouf? LaBeouf? I don't know. I always get corrected. Sorry, Shia. Shia. But yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They go into that rabbit hole, and they can't crawl out. It's just, I think just having, also it's like frontal cortex being, Define right like you get famous too early when you did you know, I was worked as a valet I worked as a bar bag. I friggin did all these shitty jobs that you know You kind of like oh no, I understand like how the real world operates you get famous too early you get stunted in your growth And I truly believe that I think so too, and I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

1:43:57It's 100 % they never make it out normal. No, I never met one I've met some Leo Leo Leo made it out yeah yeah he was a child actor that's right but he had good people around him he had you know he's disciplined and he yeah he's got a good like sense of the world that's good yeah but he always has like 20 year old girlfriends it's easy to be happy isn't everything you're chilling on a yacht with 20 year olds I don't understand like what do they even talk about but at the end of the day Maybe less talking. There's very few. Well, he did really, he really was famous. He was pretty young, though. Yeah, really young.

1:44:37He might be the only one. But, I mean, I guess Jodie Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the world and these other people, and you go, oh, man, I don't think that was really good for them. You know? Yeah, there's, I think, also Corey Feldman. You see these people that were, like, huge movie stars and they're young, and as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're doing good. I think their head's all fucked up Yeah, well you place too much value on that too and then it goes away Yeah Where's your identity?

1:45:08I had Macaulay Culkin in here and he was very interesting Very nice guy, like very smart guy interesting guy, but he struggles you know, it's like he realizes he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood Yeah Became famous as a little kid, man, home alone he was little Yeah, my dad, I mean, kudos to my dad because he did a really good job of protecting us from that and very private. We didn't live in L.A. We lived in Carmel. It was as normal as it could be, but in the sense that he was like, no, you need to be a normal child and learn how the world works. Carmel is beautiful, man. It is. Nice place to grow up.

1:45:56Yeah. They say newlywed and nearly dead Right? That's what it is People get married there and then they fucking go there to die It's so true It's a little slow for me But it's beautiful I do appreciate it But they have annoying homeowners associations Oh yeah, come on You were at the day And you didn't know what you were supposed to do This is off-white This is not white Your fence is the wrong color Yeah. Fucking get a life. Well, old people love to control their neighborhood. They get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood, like, ugh.

1:46:40I'm, like, so bored with that story. I'm like, God, can you just be different? Can you just surprise me with something else, you know? Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties, you know? So that's why Carmel calls out to them. If you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you've got old people living around old rich people. Rich people, yeah. The most fun. They're the most fun. They're the most fun. Yeah. They're the most entitled. They think they can tell you the most what to do because they're used to telling everybody what to do.

1:47:18But still, Carmel, fucking beautiful. Beautiful part of the country. That coast, oh, my God. and also sharks out there a lot of great whites they're all over the place up there yeah yeah but it's a California man is one of the most beautiful places on earth it has so much variation there's something you got deserts you got the beach you got mountains you get me get everything all in this one beautiful state yeah everyone was I mean even in the like development of our country I was like everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious like all the gold rush and getting out west and then california really la it was the movie industry and that's really what made it it's kind of sad now because it's they've completely driven it out i mean good job guys yeah barely have tv shows barely barely it's brutal it's brutal what do you still live there no you live out here now yeah i'm i i kind of i tell people i live on the road because that's essentially where I am.

1:48:20You know, I was Atlanta. I was here. I was there. I was in Italy making a movie. Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never... How many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not even beneficial to live there. I've never... I don't think I've ever worked on... Maybe I've worked on one film, but it was for a week, and we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah. They make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's sad because film is inherently, like Hollywood is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America.

1:49:00And it's like to see that just get completely blown up in industry. Do you have friends still live back there? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tons of California friends. and, you know, I, look, I was never, I don't have a lot of industry friends. I had, I do have some, but actors like sometimes aren't my people. They're just not. Right. I just, I don't know. Like the, I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like cool. It's just something I do, but it doesn't define me. You know? Some of them are just, they're so self-important.

1:49:41Yeah. And it's, you know, it's not even almost not their fault, almost, because they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee and everyone's always catering to them. So they start feeling like they deserve that from the world. Yeah. It just gets real weird. It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry. Right. It's masked by masked by like false security. Right. Like, it's like, I'm the man. I'm tougher. I'm this thing. You build this ego up, and you're like, dude, like, we're just doing a job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up?

1:50:21It's just the attention that you get. You get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And, you know, it's natural, natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living. And, like, some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable. I just worked with somebody that I think was just, without saying any names, but just maybe people just get too famous for too long. They think the world owes them something, and then it comes to doing the right thing. You're like, dude, it's black and white.

1:50:59Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, fuck that. I can do that. and you're just like, what, dude? What are you talking about exactly? You could say a name and then we'll edit it out. You want to do that? Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a film with a director and they decided, you know, after we had spent a bunch of money that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and didn't want to do the job, do the thing. And so I was like, okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you.

1:51:37and they're like I don't do that and it's like well uh yeah you do yeah you do that's the right thing to do so they decided they didn't want to work with another person yeah they want to work with like another person after we like started pre-production on the film so they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie or they just left and they just there it was their their directorial their story their thing it was just like bro you took money from somebody that's also a good way to get sued that seems like Like, that person can get sued pretty easy for that. Yeah, but it's just the bigger thing is just, I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking.

1:52:17That would not go in other industries. But for some reason, because we idolize. Because they're stars, right? Yeah, you're like, what, dude? There's also the thing, there's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They want to be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the fuck they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. They actually enjoy that aspect of being famous. Yeah, to be honest, I never, I really didn't, people think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich. Yeah, rich is better. Rich is better.

1:52:52But to be, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories, and when we're doing a creative endeavor, and you move people, whether you make them laugh, make them cry, whatever. But the whole other side of that is just really ugly. And I think I was lucky in some ways because I got to see it growing up and got to see how it's bullshit. Right. When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time and he's just your dad, you go, oh, this is bullshit. It's bullshit. Yeah. Complete bullshit. And also your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff either. Yeah. He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or is not interested in that at all.

1:53:37Not at all. He's just a put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be a creative endeavor, which is really cool, and gets to use that muscle. Did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous on it? Sure. I think I was always like, hey, I love telling stories. I love watching movies. I love this I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever Be like just an actor It wasn't like oh that's my But you loved film I loved the storytelling of it and I was like a conduit And I'm doing other things In film now producing and I do want To direct It'd be nice to like show up with my own Clothes to work Wear this, wear it here But also Film's a director's medium it's not really an actors medium you need actors it's part of the deal but the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film you know there's a film made in in script and development there's a film made while you're shooting it and there's a film made in editing have you ever directed anything before i've you know i've done in in a creative capacity where i've been a producer I've had hand in directing but not like hey that's my that's my name on the thing and I'm super proud of it I just haven't found the right material to go out and kind of schlep around Do you write?

1:55:07No It's the backbone of the industry Right Yeah if you could write your own thing Yeah I don't know how the discipline to do it for what you do is, it's tough, you know? You have to... It's not a thought to paper. That doesn't interest you? It does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. You know what I mean? I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, what about this? What if he said this? What if he did this? What about this? Can we go this way? So I think writing partner. Maybe you can have a writing partner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you jive with that's creative and you guys could get together and you could come up with your own idea that way you have like material that is exciting for you and you could direct that because i would imagine if you're even working with guys like guy ritchie and all these directors you work with you've got a chance to see the the discipline in the the highest level like you get to see those guys do it you know you get to see how they piece it together it must be fascinating it is and everyone has a different way of going about it.

1:56:20Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy Ritchie. You learn the script, then you show up, and he's just like, throws it out the window and goes, you say this, you do that, you do this. And then you're like, okay. And so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, this is awesome. What is it? Okay, let's go. So meaning he wants you to improvise? He wants you to talk like a real person? It's not necessarily that it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seeing the movie, what he's already shot, and then he's like, I actually don't want that scene.

1:56:56I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the movie. In real time. In real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked out trailer, and they'll watch the movie. And he'll radio in and say, hey, say it like this or do it like this. Do it one more time. So he's kind of like watching the movie as an audience member. It's really interesting. Is he the only one you know that does it that way? Yes, 100%. Wow. And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They wouldn't even, they're just, they're like right there just going, okay.

1:57:35Have you heard Matt Damon's story? Which one? Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did a take. and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again because we'd do it again and Clint's like, no, we got it. He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. I want one more go at it. He's like, we got it. Yeah, and he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time, sure.

1:58:01And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no. We're good, we're good, we're good. So funny. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah, whatever Guy Ritchie's process is, it works. It works. Because his fucking shows, his movies are some of my all-time favorites. Right from the beginning, right from Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatched, holy shit, his movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost like he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre. Yes. That's him. That's him. You think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie movie. Like, there's this dude.

1:58:45His name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray, he was a UFC fighter. He was famous in London, in England, for being, like, a street fighter and a crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level. Like, won in the UFC. And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. No way. Oh, yeah. This guy was a full-on psycho. He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight. And they made a video of him hitting mitts six weeks later. Six weeks later, he's back in the gym. Pop, pop, pop. Pop, pop, pop. He was a crazy person.

1:59:23I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine. So he got arrested for this crime. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's still in jail. He's still in prison. He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money. And they did it like in a very high tech, like the movie Heat, like that crazy. Like they had full masks on, armored fucking body armor, the whole deal. And how much did they steal? 53 million pounds, which is$92 million. I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history. Did they hurt people doing it? They didn't hug them.

2:00:02They didn't help them. I don't know if they killed anybody. No, I mean, I'm just wondering, like, if... The largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow. So it's worth$92 million. Damn. 53 million pounds back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had been in the UFC. So, you know, I called this fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. Wow. They left over 150 million behind, 150 million pounds, because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit. How did they get caught? Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than 30 million pounds.

2:00:41So he flew to Morocco. Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British-Moroccan citizenship. And Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall in Rabat following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years, Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping, and armed robbery. So, like, when this guy got arrested and when everyone was hearing the story, everybody was saying, that guy's got to be a Guy Ritchie movie.

2:01:25Yeah. Like, that's how much Guy Ritchie has, like, locked down that genre. And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist? Something came out in Chasing Lightning. It came out already? No, no, no. He probably will. He didn't make that, but something came out. It's like a miniseries about it. Oh, about the heist. But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it? Because I know a bunch of people were talking about it, saying it has to be a Guy Ritchie movie. If you're going to really capture who this guy was, he was a real nut. Like a real world-class fighter.

2:02:04Who would play him? Give me the, because I don't know what he looks like. Jason Statham could probably nail it. Okay, well then there it is. He's perfect for it. He's cast already. Yeah, I mean he doesn't have the hair for it because Lee Murray had a full head of hair. But it doesn't matter. It's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true crime docuseries called Diamond Heist instead. Which is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all. Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter who was also a robber, like a high-level bank robber.

2:02:38I mean, you don't steal like$90 million without... Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it, and they look nuts. I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they had fucking masks on, everything, the whole deal. it's just that when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story I mean that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley he's like that show Mobland God that show's so good it's good it's good so good it's good it's so good it's so like it's like a movie that's like seven hours long or however many episodes there are it's great it really is great who is he your favorite do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with he's gotta be I mean he's yeah If him, I got to work with Oliver Stone.

2:03:30Oh, that's awesome. Which is like sitting with the devil. Iconic. Oh, man. George Tillman Jr. is a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie Men of Honor. Yes. Remember with Cuba Gooding Jr.? Uh-huh. Sure. He's a great director. I've gotten to work with some really cool. David Ayer is really interesting. That guy's a tough, I don't know if you know his story, but he was, he's had a really dark past, but he was essentially, he lived on a submarine for like two years, like underwater. Whoa. Yeah, he's, I'm like, you got some screws loose if you lived on a submarine for two years. Underwater for two years will fuck you up for 200 years.

2:04:14I know. I'm just thinking about getting how claustrophobic you could get. Like, I gotta get out of this fucking thing, get me out. Dude, you're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah. I could do that for an hour. I don't even know if I want to get in a submarine after I watch the tin can. They just exploded. Oh, those people? Oh. Yeah. I was like, oh, that's not wise. When you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them, they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark. Quick. Because it's like that.

2:04:47Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like you got in that stupid tin can. You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse. I can't go down like that. Think about all these fucking people that would love to have just a piece of your money so they could go have a margarita on the beach somewhere. And you're like, I'm going to go to Tin Can. This is going to be great. I'm going to go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody. I look through a tiny window. Fuck you. Well, I had a conversation with Cameron. And Cameron went, James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself.

2:05:16No, no, that's not. There's so much wrong with that. He went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right? I think he holds the world record for single piloted submarine vehicle, the deepest depths. No. And also, I feel the same way about space. I'm a big Musk fan, but I don't have any desire, bro, to go to Mars or go to space. Have fun with that, bro. Have fun. You do that. Yeah. Okay? I'm all good here on this planet. It must be awesome to be just – I would like to be in Earth's orbit once just to look down. I bet it's nuts. Like the fourth. That'd be cool. They say you have that experience. Like all these different astronauts have talked about it.

2:06:00It's the overview effect that when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just – you're like, oh, my God, we're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop. We have to stop all this. Like you have this realization of what we really are and what we're really doing. and how stupid tribal conflicts are. Like, I mean, yeah, World War. Yeah. We just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually. It's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again, a world war. I mean, that's the, like, if you look at the math. It's kind of happening right now. It's like, what's going on, man? Are we going to keep doing this?

2:06:39I guess that's what we're doing. It's very disturbing. when you're playing um uh a character in um a period piece like that what what do you have to do in terms of like make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they've talked like did you have to watch film of those old people and you talk you you talk to a lot of people in this case this this movie um uh you know was about geez uh the guys are you know most all passed away at this point. But I luckily got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories, see sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories.

2:07:28And you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II. You know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life. I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And so you carry like that weight with you. It can be if it's a real, if it's, you know, you know the person you can watch tape on them, then you get that like luxury. But if you don't, then, you know, it's just, I think it's about carrying that weight.

2:08:07And just trying to be as true as you can to that. It comes with a cost doing, doing these movies because not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them and you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at, at the Washington archives in DC, 107 years old. Whoa. Colonel Stern and got to hold his hand, you know, and really quite clear still headed. Like, I mean, And he, like, shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, oh my gosh. But you could feel that generation, that you could feel that, what he had been through. He was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

2:08:49Whoa. And you're like, oh. And then to have him tell us, like, we got it right. And that's what it, like, you know, like brought me to tears. I was like, I was like, kind of like, I was shook. So moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is a great responsibility to tell this story. This episode is brought to you by Fox One. Watch all 104 matches of the FIFA World Cup live in 4K for just$19.99 a month with three days free. Build your own multi-view, choose up to three streams, and follow player spotlights. Stay on top of every moment with live stats, highlights, and instant replays.

2:09:29The FIFA World Cup, streaming live on Fox One, offers a subject to change. See fox.com for complete terms and conditions. I can imagine having a conversation with a hundred and seventy year old guy who's been through war and the war was what? How many years ago? 1942. What is that? How many years ago was that? So he would probably would have been 20. Yes. So he would have been like 84. Yeah. 84 years ago. And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. imagine that imagine you're 107 years old and your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago yeah yeah it's uh it's it's it's wild what they went through i mean imagine i mean if they're like hey pack up joe scott like we're we're going to wherever it is like i don't know wherever we're going right now and we're gonna have to kill people and imagine Imagine the information you're getting.

2:10:31What are you getting, like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast? Yeah. What do you read? That's the same dog I met. A battalion commander during World War II, Stern, his name was Senator Radcliffe. What is his name? Herbert Irving Stern. That's his name. So it says a battalion commander during World War II, Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions in April 1945 while driving through Germany. Stern and his men discovered a concentration camp with 3 ,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners and destroyed the facility.

2:11:09Wow. Isn't that amazing? Like, we have to celebrate these people, you know? Can you imagine you're overseas? You're a kid. It's 1945, and you liberate a camp of 3 ,000 Jewish women that are being imprisoned. Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it. Holy shit, man. Even like 35 years old 34 years old You imagine we could see what that guy's seen. I mean, I don't know if we want to I mean that would change your whole Change your whole world like look on the world man. I mean, but you have to think that way right when you're when you're playing These guys you have to almost put yourself in their head.

2:11:50How hard is that? Like what is that like? It just it comes with like I said it comes with a cost you You go through an emotional journey. You pay a price. You have to lend your own emotion and own grief, whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's part of going through what it would have been like to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend right beside you, to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women. that are you know probably skin and bones and like it's just you know makes you just so it makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at it's also it's the human's capacity for evil when you're faced with it like that it's it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that and that they still are that they're still I mean to this day right right now somewhere in the world there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people I know You know, it's brutal.

2:12:57It's brutal to think how savage we can become. Like, it's crazy because you think about it, it's like, we're not far off. You take water away for 72 hours and we're dead. Yeah. So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs? Oh, yeah. The civilization is a very thin veneer. Yeah. It's very thin and it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are delusional and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested. And they don't have any idea how precarious this thing we exist in is. I think when you're, I would imagine when you're doing a World War II film or something like that, like you're forced to realize, you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition.

2:13:47That sometimes, I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history. You know, we talk about the various wars and what happened, what was the result, and who was the king, and who did this. What was it over? Yeah. Greed, resources. This war is really, I think, why it's so fascinating, why World War II is still so fascinating, is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really.

2:14:27Right. What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. They were exterminating innocent people. And we came together as a world, a coalition, and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? or, you know, you're questioning what, is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people. And that is, that's very different. Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the World War II in most people's eyes is the last just war. Yeah. You know, we think it's like that's the one that needed to be done.

2:15:11Because it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth, which is really crazy when you, when we, I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago that they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Ohl. He wrote, how do I say his last name? Ohler. Ohler, yeah. Ohler. He wrote this book, Blitzed, and it's all about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Poland in like three days. Yeah. And it was all meth. They just gave them meth. Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war, right? Yeah. They had like 35 million doses of meth. That's nuts, man. That is nuts.

2:15:49And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like, you guys get the most meth. They wanted them just methed up. Just cracked up. Just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine. So, like, they're all chilling and they just got fucked up, man. Yeah. It's just not that long ago. And that's what's really scary. It is. It's super scary. Also, what was crazy about this movie, and, you know, I learn something new every time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like, had a life here.

2:16:30And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany. Whoa. Can you imagine that? How many? Like thousands. Whoa. I didn't know that. Went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were, a lot of them spoke English. A lot of had the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like, can you imagine doing that? Fuck. Fuck. Yeah. Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany. What? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, settle down. Hold on. Hold the phone. Don't you know this spot is better?

2:17:15You should be fighting for this, you fucking dumbass. Yeah. Yeah. The people that are willing to do that, that's a different kind of brainwashing. Yeah. I mean, it makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays. And you kind of think like, oh, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff, and I'm not a lot. but I do see and we were talking about it today it's like how strong is the government to like brainwash you know the MKUltra stuff like the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do kill somebody whatever yeah that's like really terrifying I think you're your own thoughts and emotions but also if you find someone who's vulnerable you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person You give them a purpose.

2:18:11You give them a direction. You can, I mean, they've done it before. It's not, they didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. Yeah. If I had a guess. By some organization, I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone. just his background is too squeaky clean after it's over they professionally scrubbed his apartment his apartment was professionally scrubbed there was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it all of his hard drives were gone all of his computers were gone he had more than one cell phone which is very odd for a 20 year old kid and had no social media profile the whole thing was fucked can you explain to me the the the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of it all?

2:19:07Because I know there's, I've heard a lot of like stuff and a lot of smart people that I like respect are like, there's something going on with that that we don't know the full extent. Well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again. Like the whole thing makes no sense. They think they have footage of him in a backpack. But a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun, then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly.

2:19:41So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you got to put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore. So you're going to have to sight that gun in, right? And if you sight that gun in, you're going to want to have targets to practice on. You're not just going to take a 140-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk not knowing if your sight is on. Because I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle. And we went back to the range to test it. And it was off on a – so when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger.

2:20:23So it's just to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by 6 inches at 100 yards. just by moving from a fall, you know? And so you have to check that, and then you have to sight the gun back in. You just take the scope off, and then you put it back on and screw it back together again, there's no guarantee that that thing's going to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. It's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is where you know he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it They seem like AI made them.

2:21:04It seems crazy And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop Is that verified the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later? The guy the guy's just chillin at some fucking frozen yogurt store That seems weird. What about this stuff with like the? the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff and like is there like some well there's a lot of people that think that someone some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time that's a lot of bullshit seems like speculation to me because you know people move around all the time people are in the crowd if if i was standing there and i went like this and at that moment someone got shot okay now we're making a mountain out of them Yeah, or if you look at your watch at a certain point and that person gets shot.

2:21:51Like a lot of movement's going on. You could attribute that movement to someone's signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a.30-06, well, it's not a big enough hole. .30-06 is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a.30-06, you would expect, first of all, you'd expect an exit wound. and there's no exit wound. It just goes in and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a round that you would shoot an elk with. It's a big round.

2:22:37And then there's a video footage of him from the back and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops. The details about him being a Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one. And the one they thought he was at closed down, weirdly, a couple of weeks afterwards. Okay, but he was. There is footage of him at a Dairy Queen. Yeah, just which one it was and when it was. Okay. Either way, after you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a fucking Dairy Queen like this? It might have been before, they're saying to.

2:23:07Oh, good. Yeah. Right before you go to shoot Charlie Kirk, I'm going to give him the blizzards. You know them blizzards, got a lot of caffeine in it? I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now. There is an update as of June 12th in a hearing. And this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet. That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. he has not yet entered a plea that happened in September how has he not yet entered a plea I don't know they're going over details about keep you in limbo the prosecution going in public talking about the bullet fragment found and the defense is saying they shouldn't have done that and there's a whole back and forth about that hmm I don't know I don't pretend to know but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff I'm sure, like you said, there's some bullshit where people are going to go, oh, see, look.

2:24:14And you're like, okay, come on. Tucker Carlson was just talking about it, and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people are saying that's ridiculous. And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover? And how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was going to get out of the Israel-supporting business. I don't know what that means. You know, I don't know. Because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu.

2:24:45He's expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real? I don't know. It's so hard these days to just like. Nothing is 100 % real. Yeah. If it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of it's bullshit. Yeah, for sure. And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe he was in love with a trans man or a trans woman rather? And so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that really do you think like a younger people though have like a bigger distrust in the media?

2:25:21I feel like now I feel like that's it's over changing so it's maybe for the best Yeah, for sure. But I mean this isn't even the media. This is the government You know, this is the official position like they paved over the crime scene like within days afterwards That's weird. Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit man The Thomas Crooks thing. They cremated him within days after he was killed. Where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. What was he doing? What was happening? Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd?

2:25:56What the fuck is going on? We don't ever get told. This Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions getting on that fucking roof with a gun going through the stairwell with a gun He doesn't have the gun so they get the gun up there already So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not doesn't fit in the backpack Well, maybe there's a stock maybe the barrels in his legs. He taped it to his pants fuck off Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together again to make it that accurate I don't believe that and then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof With it and then put it back together again in the woods.

2:26:35Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exactly what that's some version of it, but any version of it where this guy under a high stress, high adrenaline situation is taking apart a gun and putting it back together again. Fuck off. Fuck off. Like, I don't believe that. Yeah. Especially someone untrained. Yeah. Like, not a... And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped. Like, okay. The thing with, uh, which one is this? This is the first shooting, the professionally scrubbed apartment. That's a weird detail that doesn't seem to have. accuracy. It says right here, July 24, House Homeland Security Committee hearing Rep.

2:27:13Eli Crane said he had received information that Crooks House was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record and from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points spread through blogs, forums, ex-posts, and podcasts. What officials have said when Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware. Paris implied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings. But see, this is what I like.

2:27:48He says he lived with his parents. This is what I like, though. You're fact-checking yourself. And I think this is super important because people start, no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative. And it's like, no, no, hold on. I could be wrong. And let's fact-check. Maybe I'm Maybe I'm not wrong. So he was living with his primary residence. It says it was his parents' single family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment. It said he didn't. It said he didn't? But it says primary residence. Well, I mean, that's what you call it.

2:28:19But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment? I asked the question, did he have his own apartment or whatever? What about the apartment? Oh, I see. I see. So I gave you that response. The house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt, and investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh, boy. So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb? Did he think he was going to make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought he'd shoot the president and just jump away.

2:28:50No one's going to notice. They've got snipers all over the place. They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there. Yeah, see, that's the scary thing, right? Yeah. The mind control. Like, like you said, you know, especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of people were very concerned. They cremated him right away because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them, like maybe the maybe the LSD in a system, maybe had something else and some other psychiatric medications in the system that you would say, well, why was he given this?

2:29:31You know, is this something that we've done when we're working on mind control experiments? Have we given people these things? Yeah. Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from D.C. to his house from like Virginia outside the FBI area where the FBI offices are back and forth to this guy's house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. Can't say whose phone. Who knows? Probably nothing. Don't they know? He was also in a BlackRock commercial. If you want to find out whose phone that is, people could find out whose phone that is. I would imagine. Right? Yeah, it's all weird.

2:30:08Yeah. It's not, I mean, look, there's probably a lot of people before the election that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank who you think it might be. But most likely somebody got a kid to try to do it. And he didn't pull it off. But he came close. Scary, man. And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy. Oh, I've heard that. I was hearing that nerve. They let him nick his ear with a bullet. I'm like, what? Do you know how dumb that sounds? You have no idea about shooting things at distance. There's no way you could. They're like, it's performative. I'm like, what?

2:30:43There's not a fucking chance in hell that you could nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You could easily blow half their fucking head off. You know? And like what? They're going to take that risk to put on that performative? And what happens if they're not? Kill the people behind them. Yeah, because someone got shot, right? One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy got shot really badly. And two other people, I think, are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured because they got shot.

2:31:13Wow. Yeah. And the whole thing where the lady who was the head of the Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was too steep. Like, what? and that didn't even make sense because the slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. It made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot. I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying. Always. You know what I mean? They're pulling strings. If you're not playing by their rules, if you're not kissing the ring, Hollywood's the same way.

2:31:50you know what I mean Hollywood is like there's a lot of that bullshit there's a lot of that bullshit a lot of that like kiss the ring and things you're like nah I ain't gonna do that you know it's like nah you let you know it's like you said how bad do you want to be Batman

2:32:09how bad do you want to be Batman if it cost me my soul maybe maybe I'm good well good for you dude good for you you've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and I think that's very important. And I always tell people, he's like the normalest guy. You're like the normalest guy that's a movie star. That I know, every time I've introduced you to people, they're like, who is he? That's Scott Eastwood. You're like, what? That's Clint Eastwood, son? He's so normal. There's a lot of normal people, though. There's some great ones. Oh, yeah. They exist. There's some great ones, but they're few and far between.

2:32:45Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal. Yeah. They're like regular guys when you talk to them. They manage to keep their, as hard as it is, keep whoever it is that's them, they're still that. Yeah. So kudos to them. Kudos to you. And thanks for these vitamins. Yeah, man. I'm going to take them. I'll tell you what's up. Tell me what's up. They suck. I'm going to tell you that too. I'm sure they're great. I'm just kidding. North Performance. That's what it's called. There we go, baby. And your movie, one more time? Lucky Strike. Out Tomorrow. Lucky Strike. Out Tomorrow. Out Tomorrow.

2:33:15Beautiful. It's a perfect timing. 250 years, celebrate our veterans. Yes, yes. Good luck with that. Thank you. Congratulations on everything. Same. All right. Bye, everybody.

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