#2520 - Tommy Lee

27:48He had that song, Lonely is the Night. Oh, my God. I love Billy Squire. Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic. And he did one music video where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird. Oh, was it when he was in his pajamas or something? It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope. Yeah, what is he doing? Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance. I don't know. No one knows. I pray to God it was his idea. Because at least, like, he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever.

28:26Yeah, fine. But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song, it was like very, the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. Yeah. He was like, you know, shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants. Yeah. And fucking shit. He was a bad motherfucker on stage. He could sing his ass off. Yeah. He's a star. One music video tanked them. I think it was my condo lover I think that was the song where see if you can find what the video was this is it

29:03About it about this whole thing. Yeah, so like this this is it. Yeah, so it's it was very weird like what song is it can you hear? I will. Yeah, we're going to have to cut it up. So it was somebody else's idea? Is that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy that would tell you. Totally. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands is on his knees. Yeah. It was weird. It was very weird. Fuck, what song was this? You know, like if he was like, look at this. Look at him skipping around. It was very odd. That guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice.

29:41Something Me Tonight is the name of the song. I want to. Fuck. I don't know. I'll look at the song. Not familiar with that title. Yeah, I don't know either. But I know. Yeah, I get it. That was it. I remember that. And everybody's like, nope. Yeah. That's a wrap. And that guy should have had like fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. Yeah. Such an incredible singer, man. So rad. Rock Me Tonight. 1984. Oh. I have to cut that out. Yeah. We'll cut that part out. But you can see him dancing around. Like, look at this. Don't do that, buddy. What is this? He's like... Don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the ground, swarming around.

30:23Hopefully. Hopefully it was his idea. Yeah, and he was just... My God, if this was somebody else's idea. Like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more free. Yeah. I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. I want you to like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. Yes, dude. Oh, my God. Like, what the fuck did you do to him? Oh, my God. What did you do to him?

31:00I know. I hope it was his idea. Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video, which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I Want My MTV, The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution. Shows Squire dancing around in a bed with pastel-colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies, while Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of its popularity.

31:41Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah. What the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That shit's gay, bro. Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean. Yeah. He could have been another John Mellencamp. He could have gone on forever. For sure. Like, what the fuck, dude? 84. One song? One music video? Insane that is really crazy if you think about it. Yeah, it's nuts nuts Well, that's the craziest thing about we think about like the success of Motley Crue and bands like from your era The fact that you guys endured for so long like still to this day Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kick start my heart comes on I swear to God I get stronger

32:37Fuck yeah! You get pumped, man. That song's a drug. Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how rewarding that is to sit back and, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff. Oh, dude. Dude, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart on. We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for you, too, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music god damn it with Tommy Lee you motherfuckers. Yeah, right this fucking here this fucking song I was just live don't give me a live one. Give me the actual one brother.

33:17That's one of the most American songs has ever been made That song is fuel. Yeah, you know that that song is fucking fuel If you were running in a race you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones like let's fucking go Let's fucking go You know? Like, songs like that, they really do give you energy. They really are like a drug. Yeah, they're definitely, they're injected. Yeah, like, changes your state, you know? I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power that music has? Like, the right kind of song. You know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than, like, like, I get fucking goosebumps, bro.

34:01If something comes along that just gets inside you, it's fucking infectious. And all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. My hair's standing up. And you're like, what is that? What the fuck is that? I want to fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is. Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have ever done. One of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music.

34:44Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. like a great joke is awesome the first time but after you hear it the second time it loses a little of its power the third time it gets a little boring a great song i could listen to that how sometimes when i'm working out i just put something on repeat i'm like oh i just want to hear this song one song over and over and over again wear the fucker out wear that fucker i don't care it's so good i don't give a fuck i just want to feel let's fucking go and every time it comes back on fuck yeah and we're back you know it's like it's it changes the frequency of your actual soul yes your body gets moved by it you feel different you i want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit um i saw somewhere recently and this just goes along with that feeling, euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you.

35:47I saw that through sound, certain frequencies, like some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan, is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency. Really? Have you... No, I haven't seen that. Have you seen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't either because, you know, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 hertz. You heard about that stuff? Explain to people. Well, it's just there's some weird, what do you call it, conspiracy theories about. Now, originally, our music like Bach, Beethoven, back in those days, was tuned to 432 hertz.

36:48And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the tuning, the pitch of music. And now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know. 432? Instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's up, and the frequency is more aggressive. And it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know, angst and crank this music. Well, they were also given a meth. Excuse me? They were also given the meth. Between meth and kickstart my heart, it's over. Imagine if the Nazis had kickstart my heart. It would have been a real problem. Dude, no, no. Kickstart my heart in German?

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38:28And now you can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. Oh, my Lord. Yeah, that would have been a real problem. I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. if any sound therapy or healing through frequencies, if you've heard any of that stuff. Well, I know people do sound baths where they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone that's making sounds. And there's something to it. But just think about what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. When you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel.

39:10It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. so obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body and it's not just like you and there's a lot of aspects to a great song right it's the sound it's also the messaging that's in the lyrics it's like there's a lot of there's a lot going on the the voice of the singer you know the the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage sure that also contributes to it but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way and i wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing, sickness.

39:48I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room? Like, ugh, fuck, get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something nice. Should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting things that give you good feeling and good energy. I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home when you're in the mood to not really listen to music but hear music where it's just playing in the background. And I'll just put – there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever.

40:34And there's like high def shots of these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, koi ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai. Like, and it's just so chill. And with that music and I just I just put it on. It's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself that's where I go to like, just like, I don't know. Yeah. Puts you in a different state. Puts me in a different space. You know, I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai. Yeah, dude. How did that start? All the times that we've gone to Japan, every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens or the temples. And I'd walk around and just be like my jaw on the floor.

41:22Like, I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and just like, I don't know, just came over this feeling. Every time I went, I came over me and I started studying. This is like eight years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down, you know, down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get some of this into my life. and I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees. And I started and I haven't stopped. And it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into, man. Like I'll be out there for hours every day.

42:09Like I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got like a workshop, dude. It's like a there's like in progress works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. There's ones that I'm, you know, treating for pests. You know, there's it's a whole world wiring everything, training it to where you want to go pruning. It's just it. It lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just I just I don't know, man. I just check out. How many years have you been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now I've been doing it, eight years. And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it?

42:59Yes, yes. Okay, and then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape. Years. And it's small. Yes, it's what you're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it, and everybody gets this confused. and they just think bonsai is like that's the tree. Bonsai means tree and pot. That's what that means actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot. How long has the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around? Dude, fuck. I have no idea. And you find that other parts of the world now that you get into it, I mean, there's in Taiwan and China, there are some fucking insane bonsai.

43:45And I think it actually originated in China. And the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it sort of their version. But I think it originated in China, if I'm not mistaken. Something like that, yeah. Sixth century China. Yeah. Ah, see? Look at that. Bam. Fuck, dude. Wow. Fucking Wiki Lee over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? Yes, I do. Over 300. I have two of them that are over 300 years old. So someone was working on them over 300 years ago. Well, either that or was collected maybe 100 years ago. And then over that time, it's just constantly been cut back and cut back.

44:33But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago. Yeah, it's still the same tree, but it's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree, the 300-year-old tree? No, no, no. That's just a small juniper that I have. It's beautiful. The 300-year-old one is a redwood. It's fucking trunk on it's like this, and it's smashed into a pot about this big. That seems rude. It's about that way. For redwood, that seems rude. Because if you go to, like, northern California and you go to the redwood forest, it's like, they're fucking spectacular. Those things are wild. Insane. That redwood forest is so incredible.

45:19There's the one that you drive through. Yeah. You know? Yes. They caught a hole in it in, like, the 1920s or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive. And you drive through the tree. It's so crazy. Yeah, that one I showed not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. Just now, like just this year, entered a couple trees. That's awesome. The rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. What a cool hobby.

46:00Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. Totally. Like what a great balancing tool. You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of my peers, musical buddies, all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? They're curious. They want to know. Yeah. Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years, or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me. Yeah. I think I want some of that. I'm not sure. Well, there's something about, like, a Zen garden that you associate with, like, bonsai and peacefulness and clarity.

46:45Yes. You know, just peace of mind. Yeah. Just clean mind. Like, your mind is pure. You're like you're really in the moment rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like there's something that's very spiritually attractive to people about those practices. Yes. And that's it, too. It really has a lot to do with sort of the culture of all of it. Like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to realize that everything, at least the Japanese do, is with such fucking purpose. Like you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later.

47:31I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden. You'll never find a straight path ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down. When you get to, when you get, as soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path in everything. nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always, even if you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never a straight, very rarely a straight bridge.

48:24It's either arced or the bridge zigzags across. There's never a straight line. And what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take it in and fucking be present. And that's, to me, it's like that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of all the time. so you know that it's just I get I don't know how to explain it sometimes it's hard to explain that state but that's what I that's what I get from it and every day it's the best way to start start your day man it can only get fucking amazing after that because you're you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day like I do you know what I mean like yeah yeah like I'm good Let's go.

49:27Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens that's so attractive to people. Yeah. It's obvious there's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people. And you see it, man. I don't know if you've noticed something. You had to notice. You see it in a lot of the newer architecture. A lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that.

50:05I think it's really, yeah. Yeah, it's more peaceful in the actual design itself versus like some house with big giant-ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere and like, oh, slow down. Yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of the view. It doesn't really do anything. it's very different than having a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through I think nature is very therapeutic and if you can put nature in an artistic form like a zen garden it's very therapeutic that's a way better view the view of nature is always a way look, whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and you'll see all the buildings wow, this is crazy, you're in the center of it This is fucking dope.

51:02But I don't want to live there. Right. I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me, at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. It's funny, dude. I tell people, I think I was a fucking tree in a past life. Because I'm like, maybe you were a tree, too. I'm like you. I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it, but every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like whether it's a big city or wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for.

51:45I don't look at the buildings. I don't look up or down. I'm always like looking for the tree. Yeah. It's just, I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants. We're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. Ah. Have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year, and it was, like, on the edge of the park. And, like, from the window you look out, you see the whole park, like, straight. Oh, nice. This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big.

52:21And it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything. and go wander around. Like, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like, for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. Yeah. They'd all feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Wow, an amazing one. Yeah. It's fucking huge. Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm going to guess. 1 ,000 acres?

52:57if I had to guess, maybe 2 ,000 acres? How big is it? 843. 843 acres. So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world. And you see all these giant, crazy fucking buildings, and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful. Fucking props to those people or whoever that didn't sell that space. Because how many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty-ass building in the middle of it. We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres is plenty. That's plenty. Plenty, plenty, plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better, and no one's going to complain.

53:36Put a whole bunch of money. Yeah, hats off to whoever. Feed the homeless and whatever we're going to do. Whoever held that down, good for them, man. They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shafir, Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is Protect Our Parks. Oh. But we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit. It's called Protect Our Parks because Ari, on one of the early episodes, was ranting and raving about they're going to fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings. And they wound up doing it. They killed the park. Oh, man.

54:09Vampires. They just want to suck out all the trees. Dude. And just make money, these dirty bitches. Oh, man. Pretty soon everybody's going to have no place to go, man. Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is safe. And that's the greatest park in the world. Yeah. It really is. It's the greatest park in any city in the world. It's so crazy you mention that because on the way here, I was flicking through Instagram and I saw, sorry that this happened, some dude got killed. One of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing, just fucking launched. And you see the dude, the horse flips the cart.

54:47Oh, no. And the dude gets flung out and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital. Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened? I don't. It didn't show it. It just showed, like, somebody else has had footage of it, like, just the horse freaking out. Oh, shit. And then peeling out, and you'd see the thing flip over, and you're like, oh, man, dude. You know, I love horses, and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. Yeah. I get that people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not right. No. A horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains.

55:25A horse is supposed to be running around and eating grass. Clicking around on the asphalt. Fuck all that. Fuck all that. I don't like it. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, which is kind of crazy. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a cow is not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why the fuck is this cow here? This was likely an accident because the driver, yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't in the right spot, like left his seat.

55:58What? Yeah. He left his seat? They're never supposed to leave their seat. It says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage, and when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked. Oh, no. It happened very fast. Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out. Oh, fuck, man. And you see it just go and just make kind of a hard right, and the buggy just flips over. I don't fuck with horses, man. Yeah, dude. I don't ride them. I have ridden a horse before. I don't like it. Dude, same here. I've done it. I got my ass thrown off on, and I was like, I'm good.

56:37I'm cool. It's just not good. But it's just, I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. Sure. You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like I don't need to ride them. I get it. For entertainment purposes. It's like I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugar cane and, you know, you pet them and you hang out with them. And they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them, like, peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up.

57:10And they lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back. And they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That would have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like King Chimp. King Chimp on the big-ass fucking elephant. Look at me. It's very weird. It's weird. But, you know, people like it. And they're beautiful animals. Oh, my God, they're beautiful. I don't need to ride animals. I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me.

57:42Yeah. I'd rather look at them. I'm with you. Yeah. But horses and people have, like, a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like, they're bonded to that animal like no other animal. Oh, yeah. I know a few that are just, like, horse whisperer kind of shit, like, where you're like, whoa, this is some next level. love. Yeah, they do a lot of there's a therapy with that too. They do decline therapy for a lot of people. I did that one time. Did you? At a rehab they took us to have like a couple of days just with horses and it was cool man. I get it. Yeah. Well again, it's like just like the trees and the forest it's like something peaceful about horses.

58:27Yeah. You know? Yeah. Most of the time, especially if they're broken they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out. Yeah. You can come up and pet them and they like it and it's like wow like oh puts you in check their big ass teeth freak me out when you're feeding it you're like you don't want to get your fingers in there dude people have been bitten by them too chompers someone's a dick you get a horse annoyed and they bite you like bro oh dude that's got a fucking can you imagine all that jaw power dude the size of their fucking head yeah just clamping down on your hand fuck you I want a carrot, bitch.

59:06Give me the fucking carrot.

59:12That's so rad. You can smoke in here. Yes, you can. Yeah, I smoke cigars. Of course. I'll fire up with you. All right.

59:22How long have you been smoking? God. Forever. You ever try to quit? I have, and I quit for, ah, this was a few years ago. I quit for like, fuck, I almost made it a year. And then I was like, God, I feel like after a few months you're out of the woods. Yeah, I don't know, it just didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man. What brought you back? Um,

59:56And you know what? Probably because I was drinking at the time. They kind of go hand in hand. If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke. Chances are. Right. And I don't know, man. You're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, where's the cigarette? It's just, I don't know. It's like rock and roll. They just go together for some reason. So I failed. well why did you quit originally what was the thought behind it

1:00:32I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything you know you're just like that's it fuck everything I'm just gonna take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything I think I was going through that phase cause I hadn't ever tried that tried everything else but nothing and yeah I don't know man it's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery yeah and then you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still and I'm like he's fine and like I've gotten my fucking my lungs and done the whole like prenuvo like body scan to see all your shit and they're like you're good i'm like are you sure wait let me see the like you know the the paperwork is this different leaves or a different guy like because that's fucking impossible they're like you're good i was like all right so that there's really no reason to quit well there's a It's actually a very small percentage of people.

1:01:44Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer. But more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's find the numbers. Put it into perplexity, please. What percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number.

1:02:25And then you've got to think, people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? Oh, yeah, that's crazy. And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less. Yeah. So what does it say, Jamie? It's still calculating? No, I was just typing it. Oh, sorry. And isn't there something about like nicotine? Like when COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got fucking COVID. Yes. And I was like, yay, nicotine.

1:03:01Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes. It's supposed to be like really good to prevent COVID. and it's really confusing to people. So crazy. Yeah, 10 to 20 % of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer, with many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer, but that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop lung cancer. people who never smoke have a one to two percent chance or a lifetime risk of lung cancer yeah people who never smoke overall only a minority of smokers get lung cancer but smoking still causes about 80 to 9 percent of the lung cancer deaths oh this is something we talked about yesterday jamie that we forgot to look up um there's some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in europe that have high polyphenol diets like so they have like they they use a lot of olive oil.

1:04:02Oh, yeah. And olive oil seems to protect. It's a very controversial statement because people think, oh, my God, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes. They're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems. Oh, wow. Yeah, which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You've got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. Yes. It makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

1:04:33Totally. Yeah. So smoke them if you got them. Fucking A, dude. Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fucking go. Dip them. Dip them like Sherm. Have you ever tried Sherm? A long time ago. Did you? Whoa. Yeah. Fucking high school days, man. People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets but smoke still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it is. especially Mediterranean-rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine.

1:05:22Polyphenol intake is linked to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall mortality in observational studies. Because that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer. It's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects. but current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers. Haters. You have to have some vices. Most of the people I know that in Alcoholics Anonymous, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes.

1:06:05Big percentage of them. Ripping cigarettes. Yeah, because it gets you a little high. Yeah. But it's like a very manageable high. Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right. Yeah, it's just like a little lightheaded. Yeah. Okay, cool. But also good for cognitive function, you know? Oh. Like, you know Pink Floyd? When they wrote The Wall, they were high as fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoked cigarettes all day long. What? Yeah. Yeah, those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes. Get out of here. Yeah. Oh, is that coffee, dude? Yeah, get in there, dog. Fuck yeah. Thank you, bro. My pleasure.

1:06:37Yeah. Yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe told me that, and he's a giant cigarette fan. Stephen King said that too when he stopped smoking cigarettes it affected his writing oh whoa yeah he said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore whoa that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking that's wild doesn't that make sense though it does I remember quitting for a short time there I remember everything tasting better I'm sure Oh, shit. Yeah, like everything just tasted better. Yeah. Of course. Pounding a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink. It's got to numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses.

1:07:23Something. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah, of course. Clog up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude. But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man. I think there's some benefit to it. Yeah, hopefully. No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many, like, super creative people. And a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco. David Gilmore says he never smoked cigarettes. David Gilmore. But didn't Roger Waters? This goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashish smoking than tobacco.

1:08:05So Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation, and here I am repeating it. He could have been told, though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live. He came on the podcast, we hung out, and then we went to see his concert. It was insane. It was insane. I bet it was fucking Rod. Another legend was still full power on stage. It's incredible. That's the best. The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. so the show is like it's the music but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing yeah you know and his is so politically loaded so it's you know you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs like when they're playing the wall it's like fuck yeah i remember seeing one of those tours i think maybe it was i don't know but the wall slowly building over the whole yeah it's fucking crazy and when we went to see him ari was high fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show he's crying it was fucking phenomenal oh my god dude i don't know if i could handle that yeah i don't know either jesus like get the fuck out of here with the acid we're just gonna go see the concert i'm not doing that yeah dude fuck around all those people and i'd probably i don't know if that'd be a good one probably not a good one but Ari's a experienced passenger you know what I mean he could ride some waves good boy he could ride some waves without throwing up do you ever look back and just say god it's a wonder I'm still alive dude I told you earlier I pinch myself on a daily basis I really do that like i shouldn't technically be here right maybe you shouldn't i don't know who knows we all got our our thing but oh man i'm really lucky to be here and i think it's because i want to be here like um you know what i mean like i like i want to be here like i want to fucking see i'm kind of pissed because um i feel like we're not even close to where we should be I mean the year 2000 where's my fucking spaceship you know like where is that it was supposed to be full Jetsons bro they're extremely late or it's never going to happen I think there's a real problem with people flying around the problem with people flying around is you got to catch them you know what I mean whereas if they're on the street just close off the street and then you catch them.

1:10:49Right, yeah. If people are flying around, like if someone drops a bank and they go, and they just go off, like, no, no, no, no. You can't have that for everybody. You gotta have people corral in nice, like, very clean lines. We can block these lines off, very obvious paths. Use lights to start and stop. Fly over them in helicopters, put a spotlight down on them, so you follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the jets and... Like, that's not... Fuck! I want that, dude. I want my own little... Well, they do have flying cars now. I saw some of those. There's a couple.

1:11:29There's like one company called Jet One. It's like this little... It looks like a little... It's like a one-man drone for helicopters. I'm like... Yeah. Me and my manager were always like, should we fucking get a couple of these? You don't want to die that way. Yeah. Let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah. That probably needs a little bit more time for it to be soup. Yeah, man, because, I mean, think about, like, how glitchy early cell phones were. You know what I mean? Dude, right. Let that shit get ironed out. Yeah. Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit, polish it up nice.

1:12:02Yeah, that'd be cool. Fix all the bugs. Yeah. Like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like, do you get a warning when they're about to die? Like, do they run out of batteries? Does it run out of gas? Yeah. Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and die? Or, you know, I think I could make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I could make it home. When I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chevelle. Fucking amazing Chevelle. Oh, nice. So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas, and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.

1:12:39No way out. It was like, we shut the car, and we got out. Like, that was amazing. because you know we're 16 it ran out of gas at the pump i was like this is perfect no pushing no nothing just but if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes goes on e yeah yeah it's fucking

1:13:03parts yeah yeah not good did you see that uh documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane he stole a plane he was like working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died yes but he's like having conversations with them yeah he's talking to him going like i don't know what i'm doing man but you know this one's for the i don't know yeah he's just and they were just like i could run it dude well they were trying to get him to land it but they were trying to get him to land it but the reality was like he's no way he's going to figure out how to land that thing he's a dead man the moment he got off the ground he's a dead man yeah and he just stole the plane and there's a whole documentary about it it's apparently very interesting oh wow i don't i have not seen the documentary but i've seen clips of them trying to talk him talk him down and he just seemed like he wasn't that wasn't an option he just seemed like this he was ready to wrap it up he was taking this this was this yeah that that one flight yeah Ready to wrap it up.

1:14:06Hope your insurance covers this. Yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes, the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound before crashing on a remote island. Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls and the quiet struggle that led him there. Oh, I gotta watch this. What's it called? Sky King. It's what? Sky King, it's called. Sky King. Poor dude. Oh, damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title. Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Yeah. People are very stupid.

1:14:47Dude, people are stupid. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago, and that's exactly what that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place where everything to me like we are at just epic stupid proportions where you're just like not a day goes by where I'm like that's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid. Like how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track. It's called Stupid World. You live in L.A., which is one of the stupidest fucking places on earth. dude i know it's fucking insane i'm like and i'm doing the same thing too like why do i live here i mean i love i love it there but in the same it's amazing there's always in the back of my head is why look it's the most one of the most beautiful places on earth the weather's perfect yes most of the people are very friendly most of the people are cool you know it's like it's only a percentage of the people that are that suck it's a large percentage but it's only a percentage the most the majority of the people are cool the problem is it's like slowly becoming a new detroit it's like slowly the the film business is like dried up yeah like completely dried up television completely dried up late night tv it's completely it's dried up man and that was fueling a giant part of like what made la special i know and it's just dried up man nobody has to be there anymore And they make it intolerable.

1:16:18They make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes and they punish you with regulations. They punish you. They make it everything. Very difficult to conduct business. Very difficult to be safe. Very difficult to just feel fucking normal. And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? What do you think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world. Right. You guys fucked this place sideways and you'd want to keep doing it. And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh, man, fuck, a bunch of people are leaving L.A.

1:16:57And part of me is like, fuck, yes. Get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here. So go. But then I realize nothing's really changed. And I don't really notice that people have left. But traffic's still the same. A bunch of shit's exactly the same. And you tell me this many people left, I don't see it. And I wonder if that's not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic. Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers are real. People have left L.A., but it doesn't matter. You could lose 5 million people and L.A. is still too big. The traffic's bananas. Dude, it's fucking retarded.

1:17:41It's bananas. If you want to go to Orange County at 4 o 'clock or shoot yourself, that's a real decision. Drive to Orange County at 4 o 'clock in the afternoon. You're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the 405 at all. No. No, you're going to have to go some sideways. Yeah. You're going to have to use ways. Yeah. Yeah. And even then you're fucked. Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA, God bless you. Dude. God bless you. Yeah. How do you do it? I don't know. People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice.

1:18:22Yeah, just nice. But I got to work in LA. Fuck it. I'll just drive in every day. Just all fucking mad and just hate. I would get up at five in the morning and just go to the gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up five in the morning, drive to LA. I'd get a membership in LA at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic at least one way. At least getting there, I have no traffic. Yeah. And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it both to and from, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that. It's too gnarly. I'd rather get up at 5 in the morning. I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day minimum in their car, and they really live 20 minutes away.

1:19:03If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes. Man. Man, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time, and you realize that kind of time you're wasting, and you're never going to get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively every single day, I wonder what, add that time up over, you know, whatever, however many years, and I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out. Yeah, you lost years of your life. I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. Yeah. But the good thing is one thing you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. Yeah.

1:19:47And books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts too for some people. Yeah. But for me, a lot of it is books on tape because, like, you'll get lost in a book, and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And one of the crazy – if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. Yeah. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go doot doot. I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything. De-stressed. And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel.

1:20:25Just like this. Oh, to make it look like you're awake. No, you're supposed to stay in contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But you don't have to think at all. You can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know. What happens if you just go to sleep? I think it shuts down after a second. It probably recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is, like, that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing like that. Oh, man, the best. You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half instead of, like, constantly hitting the brakes, constantly hitting the brakes.

1:20:58Now you're just chilling, and you can just, like, listen to your book on bonsai. Yeah. No, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start like, you know, you start reading a book, just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it rather than for me, at least sort of sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that. I get tired and then fucking lose interest. Yeah, that's that's there's definitely something to that. Well, reading always makes me want to go to sleep. Yes. Especially reading at night helps me fall asleep.

1:21:39Yeah. But there's also something about reading in your head because you create the voices and you create everything. Like you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape. Yes. But with audio books, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing. Yeah. Like if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audio books in the gym. I listen to audio books in the sauna. And I listen to it in the car on the way to work.

1:22:14And so that all together is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't – I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just – I don't. I wish I did. I don't. Yeah. So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. Yeah. That's the thing. Because especially at the gym, you can get a little just distracted and you're like, what the fuck did he just say? And you have to back it up. And when that happens, I generally, I just shut it off. I'm like, this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention.

1:22:49Yeah. What do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. People think they're multitasking. Right. That doesn't fucking exist. You really, yeah, whatever. You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Thank you very much. Yeah. You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. Right, right. But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing.

1:23:24You're robbing attention from these things. There it is. There it is. Well, I've always found that my best workouts are in silence. It's so hard to work out. You really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. And if you add in a bunch of stuff, except music. Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different. Sure. But books, it's like music you can listen and then stop listening. You could be in the middle of a set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just gives you some energy in the air. Music is the ultimate companion for working out. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating.

1:24:03What? He goes, it's cheating. You know, because he's just a complete, total psycho. Is that that, like, uh... Ultra Marathon guy? Yeah. Oh, okay, I thought it was the Live Forever guy. Oh, no, no, no, that's Brian Johnson. That's the guy who, like, has his son's blood injected into him. Yeah, that dude. I'm sorry, I'm confusing this. David Goggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy SEAL who runs, I think, how many ultra marathons did he run in a month? Something insane. He runs 100-mile races, and he's like an insane fitness freak. Oh, wow. And when he works out, these workouts where, like, famously he'll take, like, professional fighters, and they work out with them, and they can't keep up, and they're just throwing up, and they just can't believe how much this guy works.

1:24:47And he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time, and they can't keep up. He finished eight 100-mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's a nut. Fuck. And he'll be at home and just decide, I'm going to do a 60-mile ruck right now. And just throws on a backpack, gets outside, and starts rucking. And he'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours, just decides, this is what I'm going to do, and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time. Whoa. He's in insane shape. And he's 50. Wow. He's in insane.

1:25:29He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. Oh, from pounding on him? They're bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations, doesn't care, keeps going, on bone on bone. It's just a maniac. He's a complete and total maniac, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow. That's amazing. but that just shows you i like to cheat i like to use that music i like to cheat i need to cheat to get that energy extra i mean i can do it myself maybe but why would i when i go i mean give me that fucking give me that fucking music yeah man if it's cheating i'm gonna cheat at that yeah that's that's that's not cheating i don't think of it as that's called an inspiration Yes, it's an awesome supplement.

1:26:15That's what I call it. There you go. But for him, it's all about mental strength. And so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you can't always count on that music. That music's not always going to be there. I'm like, okay. I guess so. He kind of has a... I get it. Do what you're doing. For what he does, he kind of has a point. Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah. No distractions. Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. I believe him. I believe him because he's thinking he's going into the dark realms of his mind.

1:26:54Whoa, dude. Intense suffering, running 100-mile races eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious other work while he's running. That's the real deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are? Run eight 100-mile races in eight weeks. imagine those conversations you're having with yourself what the fuck am I doing no dude you got this you got this no dude you're an idiot no bro fuck yes I think he probably used to have those conversations now it's just now it's just battling demons it's all just demons just crushing down negative thoughts crushing down weakness you know I know there's a lot of different kinds of people in this world Tommy yeah there are dude it's pretty crazy out there You've met every variety of them.

1:27:41Just about. Oh, my God. That's funny. Wow. I know. There's some crazy people in this world. Yeah, there is. But we need all of them. You know, we need our Tommy Lees. We need our David Lee Ross. We need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful is that there are so many different people. You can meet someone and you're like, fuck, I never met a guy like him. That's nuts. Yeah, it is wonderful. Isn't it wonderful? I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived, practically. Dude, I feel like it. Just about. I mean, you've been famous since what year did Motley Crue really break out?

1:28:25It's like 80. 80. That's nuts. Yeah. Boy, that world was a different place. For real. The world was a different place. No internet. No cell phones. Who was president in 1980? Was that even Reagan yet? Almost. When did Reagan become president? Yeah, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school. Who the fuck was president? That was in the 80s. What year, Jimmy? Started in 81. 81. So 1980, Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck, who was president? Had to be Jimmy Carter, right? That sounds right. Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah. Yeah. So it was Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Whoa, dude.

1:29:15Wow. Isn't that nuts? Mm-hmm. 1980. What was that scene like? Bro, that was still to this day.

1:29:29Motley did, we did this movie called The Dirt, and it's based on our autobiography. from certain years, from this year to this year. And it kind of like, it shows how it fucking was. And one of the coolest things ever is when I'll see emails from fans or questions from fans, and they're like, Dude, was it, and these are from like 18-year-old kids, They're like, was it really like that when you guys were rocking shit like that? I was like, 100%. They're like, fuck. And they're bummed. They're like, we will never, ever get to experience that. Fuck. It was just full on till the wheels fall off. You could get away with fucking murder.

1:30:32Literally. There was no phones and no—this was at a time where anything goes, pretty much. How old were you in 1980? In 1980, I was 18. Jesus Christ. 18, 17? So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the fuck did you manage? I know, dude. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from, like, 1940. Right? It's like a world. I know. Even the font from Motley Crue looks ancient. Totally. Wow. God, dude. Does that even seem real when you look at that picture? Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop. That's dope. The wrinkles in the fabric. That's with the whiskey, yeah.

1:31:29The whiskey. Too fast for love. Fucking great song and that fucking drum riser that that right there with the lights in it. Yeah My dad fucking and my dad myself and my drum tech we built that riser dude Like it had fucking switches. My dad was a mechanic And so he my dad built he you know He was like a jig new drum riser. All right, let's go So, I mean, dude, he would, my dad would built us pyro. Fucking he, like, drilled out these, or cut these big blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder.

1:32:23And we'd be out in my backyard, dude. And the neighbors would be all of a sudden just like, fire. there's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard and the neighbors are like what the fuck is going on and my dad like he just like he loved it he's like making bombs lighting rigs drum risers he and he would drive me he would drive me to the gigs and uh in his van with all my shit like i had the best dad fucking ever that's awesome yeah and here here's a mechanic Okay, look at this fucking setup bro. This is nuts. Oh dude, right the hamster wheel That is crazy. That's not but you were doing drums like halfway upside down dude The thing is gyroscoped it went around, you know right to left back to front What is it like trying to play the drums from that position though?

1:33:17That's got to be very weird dude It is insane like I had to like I had to change so many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right? Right. Now you've got to push. Oh, yeah. You're upside down, so it becomes three times harder physically, and also you had to make adjustments. So I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain-driven pedals, footboards. So when you go upside down, they fall. So I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up.

1:34:06You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So I had, and with cymbals, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down. So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the hi-hat, too, because the hi-hat would, you know, the two cymbals, they would just, if you're upside down, they just go open. Right. So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit. Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was just something rad? You know what? That all started, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history, and every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course.

1:34:53Everybody's like, what are you going to do next year? What are you going to do next year? That's sort of like, that's where it all started, and it really started when I went to go see, it was fucking Pat Travers. Do you remember Pat Travers' band? No. Boom, boom, out go the lights. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, they were cool. And I went to go see them. And Tommy Aldrich was the drummer. And this is before Motley. I'm just like, whoa, dude. I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair. Fuck yeah. Right? And it's drum solo time. And he's a badass. And he's fucking ripping, dude.

1:35:34All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around and I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a T-shirt, going out to the lobby to fucking smoke a joint. I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving. And I'm like, where the fuck is everybody going? That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now. And y 'all are like, he failed to capture their attention. and from that moment on I went I need to figure out A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see it's not like a guitar you can see that's the roller coaster that's the crucifly that's so dope that's the latest one that thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium That's crazy, dude.

1:36:34And then it starts twirling as it's going down. Oh, my God, you're upside down. That's so sick. Look at that, dude. That is so sick. The audience must go bananas. Yeah, at one point, the roller coaster comes down, and it's literally almost over. They could almost touch you. Wow. Look at that shit, dude. I think that is the worst. How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down, banging on the drums? Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm I'm wrecked it's nine minutes total must do a lot for your core too right Oh hold yourself dude I'm on the oxygen bottle when I finish I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards Whoa go back and do it backwards and by the time I get done I'm sitting there with the oxygen going While Mick does a guitar solo I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done I can imagine man It's incredible cardio.

1:37:32It's insane. It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. Hardcore, super fast. Yeah. I've always admired the physical fitness. Or on the punching bag. Yeah. Just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After a fucking minute of that, you're like, ugh. I know. The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like, if you didn't play drums for, like, a few years and then picked it up again and started again, it would probably take forever to get that endurance back. Forever, dude. Because it's so like when you're going off dude, you're so fast. You're going so fast Everything's fucking moving pounding your feet and everything like fuck man.

1:38:10I know it's one of the most athletic things in all of music It really is man, and and I had this I was like Okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking? High school till today, right? and I'm like that's fucking weird and I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat like I don't I don't like diet or have some strict you know regimented food program I was like I'm gonna fucking I gotta see I got one of those this was years ago it was like a pedometer you clip onto your shoe like joggers would use it to see how to there's like the old version you just clipped it on your on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did like a little tachometer, not a tachometer.

1:38:59Yeah, I know what you mean, pedometer. So I'm like, I get one, I clip it on. I'm like, I wonder how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two-hour show. I don't know, fuck, who knows? I know I'm sweaty as fuck, and after the show, all I hear is ringing in my ear, and I'm fucking wrecked. I'm done. and um i fucking took it off after the show and i looked down and it said 13.3 miles and i was like so that's why i don't fucking that's why i'm just skinny fuck and like i just i'd sweat it out it's a bit of sparker same deal same deal yeah i mean he works out a lot as well but it's like same deal yeah yeah it's like incredible amounts of cardio the amount of i wonder how many calories you burn in a two-hour show.

1:39:51It's got to be off the charts. Yeah, that I haven't measured. Because it's not just jogging. It's not like you're running 13 miles. Obviously, you're sitting still. But the pounding of the arms and the breathing, you've got to fucking control your legs. Yeah, it's like, God. Yeah, everything's going, man. You're firing on a whole cylinder. For sure, the most athletic thing in all of music. For sure. Nothing even close, right? Yeah, no. I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything but it's not not not nearly drums are like it's more like a sport it really is it really is it really is like you don't see a really out of shape drummer no you know it's almost like you can't be to keep up no i know and yeah everybody's you're kind of like you're the fucking heartbeat man you you're you're really everybody's kind of you know people say you're you're only you're only as good your band's only as good as your drummer and that's really fucking it's really true and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer but drummer has a lot of responsibility man everybody, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving I'm responsible for a lot of that and I'm not saying for all of it but you sort of set the pace you know and you're making people physically move that takes a lot of work You know, the amount of energy you're putting out, you're getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, fuck, I'm driving here.

1:41:23And that's a cool place to be. But it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's draining. But it's fucking rad. I live for it. Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own? I didn't really take lessons. I learned on my own until, I mean, like kind of early in high school, I played in the marching band. But that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like drum corps stuff, like rudiments and like, you know, drum corps shit. Not really the whole kit. Until later, I got the school, my high school, to let me, or sorry, my grade school, to let me borrow the jazz drum set at the school, and I'd bring it home, and then I started just listening to my favorite shit, and I would just play along.

1:42:18So I never really took any physical lessons. It was just in me, man. I was just really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got it. Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way, like you're taught, or did you just figure it out on your own? I just figured it out on my own. Probably just moved on from the forks and the spoons. It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own. Yeah. Like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left-handed. He just made it work. Yeah. Yeah. Just figured out how to do it on his own.

1:42:55It's really interesting how, like, with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out. And then doing it your own way, of course, and then, whoa, then you got your own thing, which is wonderful, man. Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like you play or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays, it's like drums are so much, It's like it's so much more powerful now than ever before. I know, man. And then that thing happens. I don't know if you've ever been around like a drum circle.

1:43:34The more drummers there are, like all of a sudden it just becomes this thing. It grows into this tribal like, dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm. And fuck, it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know. that kind of, it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano, playing the right chords. Right. I'll watch them cry. Yeah, right? Yeah. But yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than rhythm, man. I live for that shit. No, I can tell. I was getting in trouble all the time in school because I'd always be like...

1:44:18Always, always. Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep. Sorry We sit back in the back of class and be like

1:44:28Making like water drip noises looking around for a leak Class clown well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture Like from the beginning of human time like people pounding on drown I mean, they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah. You know, to make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild. Isn't that cool? You know, they knew even back then there's something about the sound of drums that's important.

1:45:05The heartbeat. Do you ever fuck around with bongos? Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah, those, a lot of handed instruments, mongos, congas. I just, in the last couple of years, been playing a hand drum. People call them a hang drum, hand drum. You know them? Have you seen them? They look like a fucking flying saucer. Oh, yeah, I have. And they're really melodic, really beautiful, zenny-sounding instrument. That's cool, because it's percussive and melodic. so you can come up with these really bitchin', depending on how the instrument's tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun. That's cool, like sort of a different kind of rhythm, but it's a soothing one.

1:45:52It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit. Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun, since you've been playing drums for so long, just to experiment with different things. I love that, man. And I'm always searching for a new sound, you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking, I don't know, that gets inside you. Right. Like, I'm always on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker, like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum. It's not. And I'll make it. I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these elk horns or something sounds like a woodblock, but pitched way, way down.

1:46:44It more sounds like a note going, oom, oom. I don't know. Like, I'm just, I love percussion and rhythm. So I'm always fucking around trying to find something that moves us, you know. That's my job. Yeah. That's a cool fucking job. I'm here to move you, man. It's a cool fucking job. Yeah, I like it, man. It doesn't suck. No. It doesn't suck. No. When you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do you have a beat in your head? Do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? How do you do it? You know what? It's always different.

1:47:27I wish I could say I had a thing. A process. I really don't, man. I'm like, you know, it'll be something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a word or a chant. All of a sudden, you know, then I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat and then add guitars. It's never really, there's not really like a format. I just kind of go with what whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like I need to write about Yeah, there's not really like a way I know a lot of people have a Methodical way like well.

1:48:13I start with the lyric first always the lyric first nothing else is important Okay, dude Why don't we get why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? actually no one's gonna even like a true drummer no one's gonna even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to stay listening right or to move it they're like oh this is nice right it's not to like it's not the key moment when you're like oh this is cool before you've even heard of a lyric or a melody that's that's kind of my object like my priority is like is it moving me. Yeah. Okay, let's go.

1:48:55It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway. Yes. Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize. Right. And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better. It's going to give you different results, right? Instead of being, okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same if you keep using the same method. Yeah. When you write, do you write down on paper or do Do you just, yeah? Yeah, paper. Do you ever write on computer, or do you ever just write in your own head? I use the computer a lot, too. A lot for, excuse me, for demos.

1:49:34That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can present a song to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll bring in demos that... Totally created by you. Yeah, they sound finished. It's like, okay, and we'll go from there. So, yeah, I always try to not finish everything entirely because when you're in a band with three other guys, you also create, kind of leave it open for that. But, yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded, sort of produce them. it's really beautiful that you know motley crew hit in 1980 here we are 46 years later and you still love it i know that's so awesome isn't that that's what everybody wants in this life something that they're passionate about that remains a passion it stays and if anything grows as a passion.

1:50:44Still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you. 1980. The world was a different place. Think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. We've moved how many fucking million miles since 1980? I know. That's hard to think about. You know, have you ever seen what the, you know, we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space? The whole thing's moving through space.

1:51:31It's not stationary. It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around. Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there. The fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in the universe. That's crazy. That is crazy. The world was different. People were different. Information was different. Our version of reality was different. Everything. Everything was different. Fuck. and you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers to fucking sidekicks to iPhones to the internet to everything. Remember the Motorola brick phone? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude.

1:52:19You were a pimp if you had one of those. Fuck yeah. Look at it. This is what it looks like. This is, see, most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. Oh, it's true. How our solar system actually moves. So look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Isn't that crazy? Where's Earth there? Earth is the third planet from the sun. Oh. The blue one right there. Dude. So just think about that. How many rips? Yeah. How many rips have we done since 1980? Bro. We're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in 1980.

1:53:00Whoa. How far? Let's ask this. How far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask perplexity that. Oh, my God. This is one of the best uses of AI. Stupid information like this. Yes. Yeah, it is. It is. I'm going to guess. 100 million miles. Just a wild guess. I have no idea. I might be off by 100 million.

1:53:37Well, let me see what it looks like Roughly two to three I think a light year is a trillion miles Whoa, dude Two to three light years through space Okay, how many miles is a light year? Put that in Oh, I didn't say miles Right, but how many miles is a light year?

1:54:01I think it's a trillion miles Fuck we're going in Oh a light year is 5.88 trillion miles Dude Okay So think about that Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe Since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene Dude Think of that. And a trillion is a thousand billion, right? Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth moved through? So it was like two to three light years? Okay. And each light year is how many trillion? 5.88. 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles? Dude, we're old. Old as fuck. 1980, I was in junior high school.

1:55:02I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking traveled. Yeah. We have fucking traveled. Damn. But that's a freaky thing to think about, how far, we're in a different place in the universe. Boy, thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to, I don't know. Just to think about it. Dude, you know how many miles I fucking traveled, bro? Yeah. 15 plus trillion. Trillions? Just since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That'd be nuts. It's fucking bizarre, dude. Like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking, I don't know, the keys to the fucking pretty much anything you wanted to do, try.

1:55:55What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar? First thing I bought was my fucking dream car. It was a fucking 82 Corvette. T-top. Nice. T-tops popped out. What color? It was a champagne color. Ooh. Ooh, nice. Yeah, it was kind of silvery gold kind of a color. Yeah. Fucking rad, dude. Like, all my whole... I don't know when you're a kid, you're like... In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. Because in 82, they were still dope looking. Yes. Like, pull up a 1982 Corvette. Yeah, they're still fucking rad. Like, Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in 82.

1:56:37They looked fucking terrible. They looked terrible. Camaros look like shit. Everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah, like that's still dope today That's the color I had dude. Look at that That's the one look at that make that bigger. Look at that That is a fucking dope car today. Yeah, it's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today Like pull up a 1982 Mustang 1982 Mustang is going to make you want to vomit I know a lot of people that are like fans of the Fox body Look at that! What is that? Garbage! Bro, that looks like a gremlin It looks like straight horse shit Whatever the fucking Russians did to us To make this make cars like that Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs Look at how ugly that is That is fucking disgusting.

1:57:37That is, dude. Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker. Yeah, right. Look at that. Look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog shit 1982. extended gremlin look at that motherfucker look at that thing god damn markup that's a real car but they they blocked the drugs they kept those car makers from having drugs and they all make garbage except Corvette yeah Corvette still stuck with that style because Corvettes were fiberglass so they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes you know they had those cool swervy lines to them and they kept those until, oddly enough, the 90s.

1:58:35They started getting shitty in the 90s. Look at you, dog. Yeah, there it is, dude. Look at you, dog. Wow, that's crazy. That's nuts, dude. I wonder who's got that car. I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette. Somebody. They have to. You know that thing's still running. Yeah, probably, hopefully. Yeah. Well, a lot of those, they take them and make resto mods out of them now. They'll put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle better and modern suspension. Yeah. I immediately fucking, me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower and an injection on it.

1:59:17It was fucking insane, dude. In the glove box. This is before, like, now we have, you know, a bunch of super rad-tuned exhaust, you know, straight pipe shit, loud as fuck. This is before that. And we made a couple of cutouts. And in the glove box, like if the cops were to come, you just open the glove box and take these two, they're like choke levers. And you pull them out, and the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the headers out. and bypass the mufflers. So it'd just be like... And if the cops are coming, you just push these two choke levers in and back to the mufflers, all quiet.

2:00:04Yeah, they have switches for that now with a lot of cars, like custom-made cars. They have exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes. Yeah, that was fun. That must have sounded fucking amazing. Dude, so rad. Yeah, I mean there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars like those are two things that are like completely connected forever Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got but I always wanted to was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah the big fucking pipes blown right loud as fuck It's like four inch exhaust like yep, dude that shit's the roadie and just tiny little car A little fiberglass car.

2:00:45Go cart with a 427 in it. Crazy power. No weight at all. It weighs nothing. It just does burnouts the whole time. It's getting too much. I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. But it freaks me out. It's like there's no protection here. If you get in an accident, there's like nothing to this car. You have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine. Just a giant engine with four wheels. Yeah, you're done. Yeah. One bad move. Pretty dope. Yeah. Super rad. Yeah. Like one of those. Like, look at that fucking thing.

2:01:20Dude, I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sickest shit. Radical looking. Oh, look at the flared wheel wells. The thing is, too, they make a lot of recreations now. Yes. The old ones are worth like millions of dollars. Dude, I know. Yeah. But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Sure. There's a ton of recreations now. And they're fucking great. and they look the same and it's like yeah it's not worth as much money but who fucking cares just go drive it it's awesome yeah if you just look at that thing jeez bro look at carbon fiber oh my goodness look at that fucking thing it's all carbon fiber oh fuck let's go must weigh 14 pounds let's go get a couple dude dude who's making that click on that link who's making that fucking thing yeah probably is well i know uh yeah classic recreations that same company that does those dope 67 GT500s.

2:02:14They're making a classic recreations. 1 ,000 horsepower! Oh, dude. Dude, it weighs 2 ,300 pounds. That's nuts. 1 ,000? The carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds. Unbelievable. So it's 2 ,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels, and engine. and that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick. That's just fucking straight trouble right there. That's going to get you in trouble. Yeah. Or not. Or just enjoy yourself. Just fun, yeah. But it's America, fuck yeah. Fuck, I love those cars. What else did you buy that was... A thousand horsepower. I know. Preposterous. Yeah. What else did you buy that's nuts?

2:03:02When they first came out, me and my bass player bought, like, almost fucking at the same time Ferrari had come out with the Testarossa. Oh, the Miami Vice car. Totally, dude. Yeah. I had a car broker find me a black-on-black one. Oh, man. And it was just like, fuck. This is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for$200 ,000 at the time,$250 ,000 for the Testarossa. get it shipped from it came in from from florida to la i'm pulling the plastic off the seats this brand fucking new back it down the fucking car carrier and i'm in the dude's kind of showing me you know what's up and i fucking i look in the you know to the right of the steering wheel there's like a like a looks like a cover so i grab it and you open it up at that where the stereo would be.

2:04:06I open it up and I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh, Enzo. I believe that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine. And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo. But, but bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and breaking the speed limit. Like, come on. Who does that? And so I had to go, I got a stereo. At the time, there was no subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop, there's no room too. So you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats. Right. And some fucking, you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors.

2:04:59Decent door speakers. Yeah. They were only decent back then. Yeah. And I had an Alpine receiver. Right. And I got it to bump. But I just found it fucking just shocking that like that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo. It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. But they did sound incredible. And I totally get it. There's a sound that those things make. It's just like it's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sound is my all time favorite. but there's something melodic about those Ferrari angels.

2:05:41There's a sound that it has. It's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road. Totally. You know, buongiorno.

2:05:58Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, man. Those things are, there's something special. And again, what is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's made into an engineering form. Yeah, that we get to play with. Yeah. Basically a race car. Yeah. Like a friend of mine, we were talking about Ferrari. Do you think Ferraris are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one? Yeah, right. They go, no, trust me, they're fucking worth it. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money.

2:06:32It's not worth it really for a normal person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. They fucked that up. Porsche is the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize like there's a part of the experience that you got to fucking wha! That gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari. bring it back cut this shit guys are silly dude did you see the fucking electric car they just released which one? the Ferrari that was dog shit dude they fucked that up that looks like a joke that looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online like it's fake but it's real I know I couldn't I was like this can't be real it looks as ugly as those 1982 Mustangs yes it looks like a I pulled a picture of the Ferrari electric car.

2:07:32Oh, yeah. Look at Ferrari. Look at it, dude. It looks so boring. What the fuck? And so nothing. Look at it. Even inside, this looks like cheap dog shit. Yeah. I don't understand it. I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke. I know. You know, like, you know. Like, look at this. It's got suicide doors, which is kind of dope. That's kind of cool. But you know what it's really dope? On a 65 Continental. Not on this fucking thing. Look at it. Ugly, ugly fucking monstrosity. That's funny you mention that car. That's another one of my favorites. Oh, 65 Continental? Oh, yeah. Fucking. I know a guy who's got one for sale that's a Restomod, and I'm fucking really thinking about it.

2:08:14Oh, boy. It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors, and it's just mint. It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine, and it's got fucking a perfect suspension in it. It looks so radical. Oh, God. There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the 65. The convertible, that's my jam right there. Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah. You might as well be parking a yacht. It's a fucking boat, dude. It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece.

2:08:55I think it's the best-looking Ferrari that they ever made. Yep. There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458, it just, they nailed it. You look at that. Oh, my God. Look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art. Yeah. It's so beautiful. And a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. It also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick. But other than that, go back to that last picture that you had of that one. Look at that one. Make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture.

2:09:30But God, it's fucking beautiful. Amazing design. Yeah, those are beautiful. Now think of the company that made that. Also made that. Go with that black one right there where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby. Look how sick that is. Yep. And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released? I don't know. Fuck you. Fuck you for doing that. How dare you? I I bought a an F8 the Tributo oh, which is very very similar to yeah that and that fucking car is badass No, they make incredible cars they make incredible and somehow or another less douchey than a Lamborghini I don't know how they did it.

2:10:13Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like something about a Ferrari that you have one. It's sophisticated You know yeah, whereas if you have a Lamborghini like look at this douchebag Yeah. Meanwhile, Lamborghinis are awesome. Yeah. They're awesome. But why is that? Why are they like attached to? I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe rappers or something started. I don't know. Because they use Ferraris too. It doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious. It's more obnoxious. The doors. Maybe just like just too showy. I know.

2:10:50I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy and he loves fries. I can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't want, I feel like a douchebag. I'm like, okay, I know what you're saying. There's a, there's a real thing there, but I don't know why. Yeah. Because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing. Yeah. They fucking too have an amazing sound. Oh, different from Ferrari. Exactly. A little higher, whinier, but they bark. I mean, like what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just, released last year that's it's insane it's as wide as a fucking trailer it's huge um XJ I don't know the name of it I've never had a Lamborghini yeah me either I drove one once on a track it was a little loose um which one's that

2:11:41Temerino Temerario Temerario that looks amazing Whoa, dude. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, that's pretty. Ew. That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another sick one. Oh, the Huracan, yeah. That's a little smaller and lighter, I think. Yeah, dude. It's also amazing. You give an 18-year-old kid that kind of power in a car, and you're still alive. I know. I know. Oh, dude. Fuck. Yeah. those kind of cars will definitely check you keep you in check too because it's not until you know over 100 miles an hour getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like it hits you you go if I make one fucking tiny little error here it's over it's over It's over.

2:12:41Yeah. The motor's in the fucking back. Yep. And if this thing runs off the road or whatever, it's just going to accordion. Right into me. And you're done. It's kind of amazing you just buy one. I thought about that now. They have the new Corvette ZR1. It has 1 ,000 horsepower from the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership. if you got the cash, slap down some money, and you have a 1 ,000 horsepower car that goes 0 to 60 in two seconds. And you just go out there and be like, bye. Good luck.

2:13:19Be safe. Yeah, like, what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? You should have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things. Totally. Or just, you know, racetrack only, whatever. Right, but imagine you're an 18-year-old rock star. Here you go. I'll say, dude, you've got one. And back then, the Corvettes like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, those fucking things had no traction control. They had no anti-lock brakes. There's no nannies. There was nothing to protect you. No. It was just madness. It was pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything? No, never did.

2:13:54Have you ever driven around a track? You ever done that? Yes, yes. That's fun. Yeah, that is fun. Yeah. That is fun. I spent some time at the Skip Barber School. Oh, really? Yeah. Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking learn about everything, about the apex and study. Right. Like, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving. Oh, yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking 100 miles an hour, you're going to fucking die. Mm-hmm. You know, so I was like, ah. Oh, you're definitely going to spin out. Yeah. Learning how to do it was really interesting to me.

2:14:34It was really interesting to realize, like, the lines that you take. Yes. Like, you don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make a quicker time. Yep. And knowing when to brake and knowing when you accelerate. And it's so interesting. It's a lot, man. A lot. Very technical. Yeah. A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no, no. There's a lot of decisions to be made. Tons. There's a lot going on. Tons, man. Especially on a really windy turn.

2:15:02Like this that's what Coda looks like. That's the track circuit of the Americas and that one is like there's so much turns Yeah, there's a long straightaway you could really fucking get after it right? Yeah, and it's not even about the acceleration a lot of times it's about the braking yeah I mean fucking and turning dude, but it's like that's one of the things that I say Like is really worth it about having money is like experiencing a great car because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes. Even when you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around. It's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it's like an amusement park ride.

2:15:40You know, it's not just, you're not just driving a car. You're absolutely right. You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people are, if you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car, you're not experiencing that. No. You know? No, no. You're just grooving on the emblem. Yeah, they got you. That could have been a Hyundai, easily. Dude, I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this. Well, I hope they rebound. I hope they smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro. They will. I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone, and it fucking looks like it.

2:16:18No. That's why it's got all the... Yes. No. That guy's awesome. How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay. I would ask him before I even talked to him about it. I'm like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an Escort. Like, fuck you. Get the fuck out of here. I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you. Out of the design room. You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No, it's got to look like art. you motherfucker.

2:16:57Someone's paying a quarter million dollars for this thing and now a lot more. I think the electric car is I want to say three 330. I bet they're going to sell two. Right. Two retards. Two fucking super rich retards are going to buy that fucking thing. Nobody's going to spend $400 ,000 on this electric thing. Meanwhile the other cars they make are fucking. Yeah I know. What the fuck are you guys doing? No. What is the latest one? What is their main one now? The sleek, the advanced version of the 458, like the one they have now. What is it called? SF. What the fuck is it called? SF90? SF90. Yeah, that's what it is.

2:17:43SF90. That thing's insane. That's gorgeous. Yeah, dude. That's a gorgeous car. My favorite. How do they go from an SF90? They're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sanka junk. The SF90 is one of the best-looking cars ever. Yeah. It's incredible. Pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie. I'm on their website. Dude, have you seen the body style? I love the LaFerrari. The body style and the LaFerrari. Yeah, that's it. That's the one. Oh, dude. That's got some LaFerrari in the ass end. Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made, Jamie. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh. No, I understand.

2:18:18This is all the cars that they make and all the cars. That's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous. Hit the LaFerrari. Yeah. Dude. Look at that thing. Jesus. What is the F80? Click on the F80. Oh, my God. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. When it says all models, they don't have the... What is it? What I was looking for. I was trying to find what... I went to their website to find their newest car. I know, but I think some of them, it's not the newest car. It might have been last year, a year ago. Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. Just Google for— I'm not saying that.

2:19:07I'm just saying, just Google, pull up an image of Ferrari, 2024 Ferrari SF90. And you'll see it. There it is. That's it. the wing that's one that's like prime for racing but you go to images please there you go that's it so how does a company make that like look how gorgeous that is that's incredible that's so beautiful how does a company make that and then that Johnny Ivey piece of shit there's like three dudes one dude like I guess designed the iPhone and there's two other designers involved they probably work for Lamborghini they're probably probably spies you know they've infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside probably the same guy that made Billy Squires music video dude that guy's got to be stopped fuck that guy he's like listen to what I did for Billy Squire I could do this to Ferrari yeah I can thank them I took Ferrari down yeah with one whack-ass fucking electric car.

2:20:16As I sold them a phone design. Yeah. But, you know, that's what happens. Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart, that are artistic around that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey. No. Yeah, no, yeah. What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing? I don't know how the fuck that ever got greenlit by someone at Ferrari. Yeah. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes, a perfect. Yeah. A perfection. No, no, no, no, no. Nobody was doing that. I don't get it. No. But, you know, companies make blunders.

2:20:54Yeah. You know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record. You know what? It happens. It happens. It happens. I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back. But, you know, guys. They can always go, hey, we're not in the electric car business, okay? We fucked up. Well, that's what they probably should because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. You know, like the Porsches, the Taycans, like those Audis, like the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old, you can get them for like half price. Nobody wants them. I know.

2:21:25Nobody wants electric cars, especially used electric cars. Yeah, that's weird. It is, but if you think about it, like electronics we think of as disposable, right? You don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago. No, no. So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either. Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. You get a 10-year-old Tesla, it's a fucking awesome car. But you don't want it. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. But engines, that's a different story. Like a 2005 Porsche, still very valuable. People love those things.

2:21:58Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof lately. But the Porsches, I just know so many guys that are just like buying them. up collecting them well i think also as things become more electric and more numb people like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars the actual experience of it yeah you know yeah it's like as things get more and more digital i think with ai and music and everything people are going to want to see live performances more you know No doubt, yeah. I think they want that experience, the experience of raw, live, something that makes you feel alive.

2:22:42All about the experience, man. All about it. You guys are touring again. Yeah, coming up. Mid-July, we're out. How fucking pumped are you for that? A couple months. So pumped because I've actually, we've been home. We did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard all around the world. That tour was, fuck, two and a half years long. Wow. Like, dude, that's insane. So, and I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, I can't remember the last time I've been home. Like, with a break. Like, we intentionally were like, let's just fucking take a year or more than a year off. And it wasn't until 2016 was the last time we had, like, taken a break.

2:23:44So for me, it's just been fucking wonderful. I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. And, you know, going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out. But just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super pumped. The grass is always greener, dude. Right, right, right. You know, when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking rad. And then after a while, you're like, I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. You know? Yeah. And then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here. I got to go fucking go do the shit.

2:24:27So it's, I don't know, it's a weird balance. You're happy until it's too much and then, you know. Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years. Oh, man. It really is. Dude, let me just tell you, there's nothing better than, imagine, let's trade places for a second. You're back there, you're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while, long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see your fans, all of a sudden your fans have had children. now their children are on the shoulders of their of their fucking parents who were your fans now they're bringing their kids to the show and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going shout shout with the fucking devil horns up and you're like you're sitting there going like dude that kid what is he fucking 10 and he's just fucking you know and just air drumming yeah just to see that you've sort of you know you've I don't know you've done a full circle to where now it's a whole other generation that's just now seeing this for the first time and they're fucking and you're sitting back there playing going like that's pretty fucking incredible it's pretty fucking incredible that that doesn't get old man to watch that happen is probably why the become the reason why i love it so much that really like puts a fucking nail in it you know what i mean fuck that's that's like then that can only be achieved through through time yeah right so that's that's nothing i've ever experienced until recently, in the last few years, you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man, and they're all just checking it out for the first time maybe.

2:26:33Wow. For sure, some of them, right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild. That's awesome, man. Yeah, that's beautiful. Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride, and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much. Thanks, bud. Thank you, man. And thank you for being here, man. It was really cool. Dude, thank you. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure. My pleasure. I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and talk shit. I'm glad we did it. Yeah. I'm glad we did it. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody. I love you, too, brother.

2:27:04Bye.

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