#2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

28:57On the north, on the craziest fucking area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown. Wow. Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why, like, every part of my fucking story, I'm like, this is so goddamn weird. So weird. It is when you think about it, right? When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA. Yeah. Crime Town. 75 bombings. Yep. Oh, this was the mob days. Yeah. So it used to be a mob run town, right? Totally. They were called bomb town? Yeah. A Youngstown tune-up is a car bomb.

29:39Look at this. 75 bombings, 11 killings in a decade, and no one seems to care. Yeah. They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual DA. Isn't that normal? Don't they always try to do that? Well, it's kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do because then the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a little short-sighted to go, we're going to kill the main cop of this city and not think that anything's going to happen from that. Well, we beat the game. We beat the main cop. Imagine trying to be an intelligent businessman and also a mob leader. Imagine like playing things out in advance, but also you're a mob leader.

30:23There was a lot of that going on. And I got to see quite a bit of it. Like there were, let's put it this way, mall developers in Youngstown and things like that. And I got to see firsthand very young that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff. because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time, right out of high school. And they were having these quiet meetups in the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant. And you would see these huge moguls, you know, I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown meeting with the local this and that and congressmen.

31:04I got to meet that congressman and that congressman because they're there meeting with these super-duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there. Bro, back then when there was no cell phones and, you know, they had to bug people. They had to literally bug businesses to get information. Like they were all doing something. Oh, yeah. You couldn't be involved in any big time business if you weren't down with the Teamsters, if you weren't down with the Longshoremen. You had to, you had to, we got to work this out, Bobby. We're businessmen. That's how you did a business. Give a little money to their campaign.

31:42Not a little, but a bit. And then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road. Dude, I had friends that had no-show jobs. Wow. Yeah. I had a friend of mine that had a no-show job in New York at the Javits Center. You know, the Javits Center is like a big convention center. He had a union no-show job. Wow. So he was a mob guy. Yeah. And they just gave him money. I only saw that on the Sopranos. They had those no - No, that's real, dude. No-show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans. Yeah, no, that's real, dude. That is a real thing. Yeah. They get a certain amount of jobs.

32:20They would make agreements. The union would make an agreement. We get a certain amount of these jobs. It's like, you know. It's crazy. There's really 100 jobs, but we want 130.

32:34Youngstown was a haven for organized crime. related corruption was ingrained into the fabric of its society. A 2000 publication, New Republic, listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges, and a former assistant U.S. attorney as controlled by the mob. So if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are. Right. That's everybody. That's everybody. The prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney.

33:12Imagine not being down with the mob. Do you want to stay alive? Do you want to work in this business? Right. And this is a city, I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25 ,000 white people. So knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25 ,000. And that's current. I don't know what it was back in the day. But the point is, it's like, it's not a big city. It's not. I think 50 ,000, 60 ,000, half or less white. There's Tony. Yeah. There's a little Tony watching pro wrestling. Oh, yeah. Pro wrestling. And even then, I was obsessed with Goodfellas and a Bronx Tale and a Godfather because it's like, it's just what you're taught is humanity.

34:00Like, that's life. Yeah. Oh, so getting out of that and going to LA and thinking it was going to be all, oh, it's going to be crazy gangs and stuff. And it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a fucking television studio, essentially. But when I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money when I first moved to New York, I couldn't afford to live in New York City. Or I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents because my grandfather lived in New Jersey, in Newark. and um he bought a house there in i think it was like the 1940s and they did a thing called blockbusting do you know what blockbusting is they would go to door to door and they would say black people are moving to the neighborhood you got to sell now and everybody sold it used to be an entirely italian neighborhood uh and he was like i like black people get the fuck out of here and he kept his house but it was like one of very few families that stayed and then black people moved out and then they started getting like different people's spanish-speaking people like dominicans and a bunch of other and that's how it was when i stayed with them so this is like nine uh 91 yeah i was three years in the comedy so it's probably 91 and uh while i was living with them the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops the dea smashed down his door dude had an audi parked in the driveway he was selling crack like right next door to my grandpa The whole neighborhood was just nuts, dude.

35:24Like, he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like, I would leave to go play pool somewhere, and he would be careful. Like, it was fucking sketchy. Yeah. But it didn't used to be. Like, when he first moved there, it was just an all-Italian neighborhood. Yep. Real estate people, even back then, like, what a dirty thing to do. Scare people into moving. That's probably the first project of USAID. That's probably it. Yeah. They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods. There's something to it. I don't know the correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over, not taken over, but whatever, by black people.

36:05Like mob run cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. It's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things. Well, you know, most of the Italians that came in the early 20th century were very poor. You know, they were all coming over here for labor or jobs and things along those lines. And, you know, when they started doing better, they, you know, they started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into, you know, more gentrified areas. Because it's always, what are the new immigrants that are going to come and take over this area that was, like, formerly a low-income Italian neighborhood or a low-income Irish neighborhood?

36:47It's the same thing. Like, there's cycles, you know? It's like there's cycles in fighting, too. Like, in the early 20th century, there's a lot of Jewish fighters. Like, Slappy, Maxi, Rosenblum. You never heard of him, right? No. Some very good Jewish fighters. Because they were poor. And they were the new immigrants, you know? And this is like before World War II. And then in – and even afterwards there was some. But then you get Italians. You get a lot of Italians. You get Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano. There's a lot of like Jake LaMotta. There's a lot of these like Italian bad motherfuckers because they were poor.

37:26Yeah. And then what happened? Then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of – you know, it's always like who's the new immigrants? Right. And who are the most hungry, come from the most poverty-ridden areas. Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama. Like, not terrible, but I mean, like, very poor, very violent. And he was one of the baddest motherfuckers. Boom Boom Mancini was right down the street. Yep. Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known for boxing. Yeah. Kelly Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome. Yeah. He was a beast, dude. Oh, man. That fight with him and Jermaine Taylor won.

38:04Holy shit. Sometimes I still re-watch the end of that. How did he survive? Give me a burst of energy. I mean, how did he make it through? That was a crazy... I mean, he got dropped. It looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him, and you go, no way. He's coming back. This is crazy. Did you watch the fights this weekend? Jerron boots Ennis and I forget the dude who's fighting. No, I was at that concert. I missed it. Boots is very good, and for the most part, he beat his ass. But the third round, he got rocked. The third round was incredible. Because the kid he was fighting, who was the gentleman that he was fighting, Jamie?

38:43Zayas. Zayas, yeah. Young kid. He got dropped in the second round, like pretty bad. Boots is very good. He's like one of the best boxers alive. And then the third round, the kid came back and rocked Boots, and it was just a war. Just the third round was incredible. Boots wound up stopping him. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round. He just dropped him one last time and the corner called it. It was enough. Like he was getting his ass kicked. But he was very, very valiant, you know. It was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him, like clearly. It's like he's on another level.

39:17But this kid showed just tremendous heart. But it's like that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like those kind of moments where a guy's getting fucked up, like the Gaethje-Taporia fight. perfect example yeah right that's when it's really a fight of a real fight yeah because toporia was on him in that second round oh man we were so close they were in they were you could hear it they oh you could really you could feel it where i was man and you know obviously we're always close to the cage on those things but then when gate when toporia was landing those body shots it was right against our side of the fence and i'm literally like oh my i mean holy fucking shit man and i've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before but there's something about his close range strength in near that clinch that close-up fucking range of ilia that is scary he's so good dude he's so good and he's so precise he just tried to like chael i always repeat this because Chael Sonnen said it was perfect.

40:26If you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win a decision. And sometimes you just run out of gas because, like, you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's going to go five rounds. Like, Ilya had him hurt, and he's like, I can take him out. But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. And that left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, is just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. his punches are just i mean even justin said it in the post-fight interview like when he's fresh his skills are unmatched like that's a crazy thing to say to a guy who just beat up and made stop he stopped him in the fourth round yeah that's crazy to say like his skills are unmatched but they really are oh at every point of that i'm at every point of that anybody i think that knows anything about those two fighters is going until this is stopped anybody can win this like even Even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed.

41:29Until that air horn rings, I'm like, anything. One punch. And we've seen it. Even with Gaethje, you saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle? Yes. Holloway. Yes. Max hit him with that final punch. One chin. With one second left, it can all be over. Yeah, that was a little different in that Holloway caught him. with a jump-spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose. Oof. We talked about it on the podcast. And I was like, that changed that fight. Because before that, Gaethje was pressing him, and it looked very competitive, and it looked like maybe Gaethje had a slight advantage.

42:12But that's because Max, Max is a very clever fighter. He's always switching stances and moving, and really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot. That hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times, but for him to land it that way, backing up, jump to the face, I mean, it was perfect. It was perfect, and his nose was fucked. And if you're fighting with a broken bone on your face, every time you're getting hit, you're getting just blasted. The pain is insane. And then, you know, he was a step behind Max. Max was teeing off on him. He landed some good shots, though, even though it was a good fight.

42:52I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. And then, you know, during that wild exchange, he should have never done that. Yeah. He was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. Fucking crazy fight, man. That was a crazy fight. I think Topiria's nose was broken in round two, I think. It was pretty early on. Hard to say. Yeah. You know, but Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he, like, collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight, and he's really good at it. He's really good at, like, turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut.

43:30In these exchanges, he collar ties and uppercuts. He caught them a few times, and you just get one of those on the fucking nose, on the old schnozzle. This thing's so brittle. Yeah. It's such a—if you feel your nose, just feel it. Have you ever seen Merab's nose? The x-ray of Merab's nose? No. You've never seen it? Uh-uh. I sent it to you, right, Jamie? Jamie will find it. It's crazy. Look at what it looks like. Oh, my God. Look at that. Oh, fuck. Bro. Jeez. That thing is destroyed. I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet Earth, and he's getting zero air out of his nose.

44:10Wow. But he won't get it fixed. Because if he gets it fixed, he can't fight for like a year. And he just wants to keep on trucking. Yeah. That dude's a freak. If I was his friend, I would say, dude, you got a lot of money. You're a world champion. Fix the nose. Let's fix it. Let's take a year off. Come back and fuck these motherfuckers up. Because if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10 % more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy with 10 % more cardio, that's an extra weapon. I would get it fixed. But the problem is, if he gets it fixed and then he fights a guy like Halloween, He gets jumping, spinning back kicked to the nose in the first round, and it's shattered again.

44:49Then he's kind of fucked. Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird shit. And then sometimes that shit doesn't take, and sometimes it gets infected, and then you have a bone infection on your face. And what do they do then? Do they have to remove your nose? Is that what they have to do? Fuck. Scary shit, man. Very much so. These fucking dudes, man. That is a crazy job to risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. You're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you.

45:27Nuts. But it's also why it's the most exciting shit in the world to watch. Exactly. So exciting. Yeah. Even boxing as, you know, tamed in comparison to MMA because there's less weapons and less options. A lot more padding. Yeah. You don't get the choke outs, the crazy choke outs. There was a crazy choke out this weekend. His name is Ruzaboyev, and he fought, God, how do I say his last name? He fought this Russian cat and got him, Russian or Ukrainian, I forget, but he got him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's, like, lying there.

46:06I mean, it was a fucking nasty choke, man. And, yeah, look at him. Oh, yeah, I saw that. It was dark, dude. It's another meme out this week along with the WNBA girl pointing. That's his name. Bro, it was nuts. The memes on these things are nuts nowadays. The internet is undefeated. Oh, it's crazy. They're so good at memes. Oh, my God. There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate that are smart and funny. Yep. We were talking about it the other day, but have you caught up with any of those WNBA? What's her name? The girl that's pointing? Sophie Cunningham. Yeah. Yeah, I've been paying attention very little.

46:50But one of the things that I did watch is all the fouls. These bitches throw each other to the ground. And they poke each other in the eyes. They do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. They foul and also they travel so much. Oh, it's crazy. They take like four or five steps and then no one calls them on it. Oh, yeah. Double durable. Is there a trend now to not call traveling? Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing, too. It's hard to get into this without going way into the weeds, but the NBA has a technically different rule than college and high school and everyone else where they call it a gather step, and they definitely would call it in high school, but they work all day manipulating it with the referee, watching them saying, like, you can do that, but you can't do that.

47:41You can do this, but you can't do that. And so they've got it to a place where everything they're doing looks like traveling and double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow-mo, and you'll be like, well, technically it's not. That's weird. I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball. Yeah. That's how it should be. You're allowed to. But doesn't it seem like that should be how it is? Totally. When you see guys taking four steps, you're like, what's going on? Do you want to see exciting basketball or not? Yeah, I do. All right, well, then let's let the referees call the game how they call it.

48:11But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball because you won't be able to score as much. Right? Correct. Like, if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is. I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid. And fucking Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now. So back then, was it traveling? Like when the Larry Bird days? Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, yo, you're wrong. Let me do what I want. Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the fucking free throw line.

48:47That is, when I've watched videos of that, it doesn't even look real. He was such an amazing athlete. He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, how does a person fly? Yeah, dude imagine if he was like a like one of those jumpers those long-distance jumpers He probably have insane jump because he he's going from the free throw line in the air That's crazy Everything he did was crazy the way he did things the way he practiced everything Yeah, and did he not make his college team? High school team. No wasn't there like one year when he was a freshman.

49:29He didn't make the varsity team. That's what I'm saying Yeah, most freshmen don't. Perfect. May have changed basketball history forever. Most freshmen don't. That doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet. Yeah, that's your plan. I know kids in Texas that keep their kids back a year. Wow. They want their kid to be bigger. I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a 15-year-old freshman. We're pushing for right before his 15th birthday. Hey, 15's a sophomore. Billy's a fucking cheater. Why are you sandbagging Billy? Yeah. That I doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing Like you're preparing a kid for a professional future perhaps especially in Texas.

50:11They're very into it on here But if it's a wrestling is like hey, yeah Hey, there's fucking no money in this right and that kid's 16. He's in the ninth grade Yeah It's nuts How is the how old is the oldest that a kid can be and compete in high school sports?

50:33Jamie, please put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if it varies by sport. Definitely by sport and by state. Interesting. Do they all have a cap at 18? Or do they allow you to compete at 19? Yeah, there's going to be a... But before I even hit enter, I know it's going to say something about, like, your graduating class can't be out maybe more than, like, two years or something like that Because you got held back or you had an injury or something like that. Boy, I remember from my days of being like 17 and 18, the difference between 17 and 19 was huge. Oh, yeah. It's a big difference.

51:10Fuck yeah. By the time you're 19, you're basically man strength. You know, 17, I was like a boy still. Yeah. You know, like I was flimsy. 17, I was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was 19, it's a different animal. You've got two more years of training and testosterone in you. Yeah. If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a huge advantage. Everything in wrestling is a huge advantage. Starting one year earlier is crazy. Huge, huge advantage. It's 19 based off of certain rules. Oh, bro, that's so rude. Making 19-year-olds wrestle against possibly 15-year-olds is crazy. So if you are in a certain weight class that's not strong, like I wasn't a good wrestler.

51:53I was a pretty good wrestler, but I started. I was on the varsity team at my high school. And, like, one year I didn't even cut weight. Or one weight class I didn't cut. There was a guy that was below me at, like, 126 or 128, and he was better than me. And so the next available weight class was 134, which is what I normally weighed when I was 15. So I just wrestled at 134. That's lovely. Yeah. But I could have been in there with a 19-year-old fucking animal who weighs$1.60 and dries himself out briefly to hit 134. And there was guys like that man you would see them at like the states and you go what the fuck yeah, and they were going to camps So they were wrestling 365 days a year all year long.

52:38Oh, yeah, I just started I didn't know anything same I started as a freshman in high school and got fucked up. I didn't even start as a freshman. I started as a sophomore I started as a sophomore because some kid kicked my ass in the locker room So some kid grabbed me in a headlock and threw me to the ground and didn't punch me He could have punched me, decided not to, but I was so humiliated. I was like, oh, my God, I need to learn how to wrestle. And then I also wrestled in the park, like in the grass with my friend Steven. And I thought I'd be able to – I was a good athlete. I was doing karate.

53:07I was like, he can't take me down. He took me down instantly. I was like, oh, no, this is terrible. Yeah, it's a whole different beast. It's also like how tired you get. I remember thinking – I used to think that I had worked out before that because I had, you know, taken karate classes and done some Taekwondo. Oh, I thought it worked out. You don't even know what working out is until you go through a wrestling practice. We're running stairs? What? What? We're carrying guys around the wrestling room? You pick up your partner, your training partner, you have the firemen carry them around the fucking room?

53:39Oh, Jesus Christ. Then you're doing push-ups and sit-ups until you puke. And then you're doing live drills. Fuck. Non-stop. Dude. Animals. Yeah, we would rotate. You know, there's all those different weight classes. and just for shits and giggles, you know, one of the drills was, you know, escape from the next guy. All right, beep, whistle blows, escape. You're on bottom. You have to get out the next guy. So sometimes at a 103 weight class, I would have Hugh Frost, who was, I think, 235, 245, 250. You'd have to wrestle with him? Oh, yeah, just for one drill. And it's a fucking joke. It's a pancake.

54:17And he was probably showing mercy at the time, obviously, But not really because he doesn't want to let this little fucking shithead 103 out from under him. So he's putting enough pressure to keep everybody there. Not to mention the 165 freak of nature made of muscle and the 185. It was just a drill. But reality hits hard. That's how you see the difference between 15 and 17 and all that. And someone who actually really knows how to wrestle. Just wrestler strength. Like I always tell people if you want to look at MMA like what is the most important skill the the Foundation is wrestling the foundation if you wanted your kid to be a badass fighter You're like my kid really loves fighting.

55:01He thinks he wants to do it But I want to prepare him right which I do teach him how to wrestle get that kid into a really good wrestling program Because if you have advanced wrestling you look at how it shuts down so many fighters like look at what Hamzat did to Drekka's duplicy Hamzat, he just ragdolled them. His wrestling is at such a high level. And Trekus, who was a world champion, couldn't do shit to stop it. He just dragged him to the ground any time he wanted to. Got him in a crucifix like three times. Merab against O'Malley. Exactly. Exactly. We're watching a guy that does a no-look right-hand knockout punch into a salute.

55:39No look at his opponent. right get i mean it's just impossible it appears impossible in every khabib fight the thing i always think about first when i think about khabib fighting is him being on top and having his feet under the other dude's feet which is just that's it it's the final level when you can't even begin the process of posturing out in any way you are nothing you are a tissue in an octagon with a man And he's wailing on your face. Yeah. He's wailing on your face and he has your legs triangled underneath his legs. It's always funny when casual UFC fans don't understand those little things like that, that aren't even part of the fight.

56:27They're looking up here waiting to see if the punches are going to rain down. Yeah, here it is. But the positioning of his feet is what I'm always looking at and how scary it can be here. He's not even doing it right now. He's hell on top of people. He is right here. But that leg being thrown is torture. It's all the weight. Nothing you can do. There's just nowhere to go. And all that weight on those hips, people don't realize. Like, I notice immediately if I ever see somebody that's kind of on top and their knees are on the ground, like, if you look, his right knee isn't on the ground. It looks like it might be.

57:02And look how he keeps slamming those left hands into Johnson's head. I mean he got hit with like 15 20 unanswered full force left hand blows Bro, he's horrible. He was horrible. It's so good Khabib was so good and he would do this to world-class fighters man And by the way Johnson clipped him in that fight too. It was one of the few times in his career where he got clipped Yeah, man. Who's the one that looked really frustrated? What's that? Who's the one that looked super frustrated in that? Barboza? I'm asking. I don't remember who it was. Barboza was one of them. But, I mean, a lot of guys I thought Khabib looked frustrated because there's not a damn thing they could do.

57:39Nope. Barboza was, like, early in the first round. He had that 1 ,000-yard stare. It was like, fuck. Like, I have to go through three rounds of this? Where they just give up on the idea that they could even win. Yeah. Like, all you're doing is trying to survive. Yeah. He was a monster, dude. Like, that. his leg being trapped is nuts. And look how he's scooting with it. And he's just slamming punches. And then you get up, he's just chasing you. Oh, yeah, I got the gun right back down, I thought. But if you get up, he's just going to fucking chase you and drag you to the ground again. So you blew all that energy to get up.

58:10The moment you try to punch or throw a kick, he's on you. You're on your back again. Punch to the face. Punch to the face. Yeah, wrestling's giant. It is the biggest skill. Yeah. You have to know how to do everything else, too, nowadays, because all these kids that you see in the Contender Series, these young guys coming up, man, they're all so fucking talented. He tried to wheel kick them. And really, more than anything, I feel like being out-wrestled and being just trapped on the ground is so psychologically demoralizing when you've been training for a UFC fight, and the crowd is out there, and the lights are on you, and you see the logos on the mat because you're facing it.

58:49Back that up a little bit. Let me show you something here, too. What's interesting here before that, before the clinch, so after he throws the wheel kick, like Barbosa's trying to win, right? This is the third round. He's trying to win, and he throws his walk. But look, no, go before that. When he throws the kick, here it is. So he throws the kick and misses. He's so tired now that when Khabib moves for him, he clinches. Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead of pushing away, instead of circling to his left, he clinched because he's so tired, dude. He's so tired. And this dude just, look at that face.

59:22He just drags him down to the ground again. It's just hell. Two on one on that arm underneath him. Legs being thrown in. He doesn't know what to do with his legs. He actually just put his foot above Khabib because it's so confusing. All that weight on you, you don't know where to even begin to start getting up. Well, the first thing he's got to do is get that left leg free, and he's not going to. That was that part before the crawling thing. He was a monster. He was a monster. and retired undefeated. Yeah. And there's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking and this is not how you picture this going.

1:00:00Not only that, this is with the current rules where I think there should be no stand-ups. I think the only time there should be a stand-up is when there's a foul. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I hate it when they stand people up. Even if it's boring. Yeah. I get it's boring, but the guy can't get up and this guy's holding him down. So he's winning. Yes. He's winning. See, I know he's not doing enough. What does that mean? He's biding his time. You've got to let a guy have strategy. Like when Muhammad Ali did rope-a-dope against George Foreman, imagine if the referee's like, you've got to punch back.

1:00:32If you don't punch back, no, he's got a strategy. Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out and then eventually tee off on him, and that's what he did. Yeah. It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head. Well, it's the the organization wants action to the fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me and I understand their point I understand their point especially if you're a casual I get good get them up make them fight. They don't want to fight. They want a hug Right, so what so what this is the sport and if that guy who's on top who's biding his time and recovering then decides Okay, now's the time.

1:01:10Let me start dropping some bombs because I've recovered good Well, he held the position and he recovered his energy and now he's winning like let him fucking fight Let him fight get out of there. Yep. There shouldn't be stand-ups and I get it the referee gets that cheer from the crowd You know, it feels rewarding sometimes when they stand fights up. I get excited. Yeah, I go Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Here we go. That striker has a chance. But my position is still the same. I don't think they should stand him up. I'm worse than that. I think they should start each round where they lost the last round.

1:01:45Oh, I love that. That's great. So every round, why do you get to stand up? Why do you get that advantage that a striker gets of standing up when you didn't earn it? Right. Get back down there. Yeah. Get back down there. Crucifix. Why did you have to start the round up in a crucifix? Yeah. That's how the round ended. They look at the big screen, get a freeze frame of the position. Referee sets you in the exact position and says ready fight. Yeah. Yeah, I love that Yeah, fuck off That's what the sport is supposed to be and sometimes it's gonna be boring. Yeah, but that's real though At least it's real Because there's been a lot of fights where the guy got taken down in the first round starts out the second round and blasts the guy and knocks him out And it's like okay.

1:02:27It's exciting to watch, but he didn't earn that position He just got that position because the other guy survived the first round And so it's like, it's one fight. It's not five fights. Right. So I think it should be one continuous fight with a one-minute break in each round. Yeah, that'd be like if the team losing automatically got the kickoff after halftime or something like that. Yeah, and look, guaranteed, if I was running the UFC, I'd probably go bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'd be a terrible promoter. I'd be too honest about stuff. and I'd want to give people fights that maybe they weren't the most exciting fighters, but they were above the other person in the rankings.

1:03:07I think the rankings should be the whole reason why you make fights. Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE Championship over this weekend at a big pay-per-view. I have no idea who that is, but I'm happy for him. Shocked Cody Rhodes. He was like a guaranteed win. I wonder what happened. Rolled him up real quick. Do you think maybe that was fixed? Well, it was very entertaining. Very entertaining. I'm sure it was. I just don't understand how you go back and forth. Oh, it's the best. I know you love it. Well, sometimes. That's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is like there's nothing that could have happened that they could have written if it was written that would have made it more exciting.

1:03:53Right. It felt real the whole time and the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like it just felt raw and real, but also storyline. Which then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like the WWE. That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know, acrobatic. Well, it's not scripted. Exactly. But it is. It was a special moment. You know, regardless of how you feel politically, and I understand it. If you hate the Republicans and you hate the whole idea, I get it. But just as a person who loves a sport, it was a very unusual experience.

1:04:36Very unusual. And just, I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically because they're going, Oh, no, the White House puts on this thing. There's all this bad press because of the war. There's bad press because of this and that. And they put on this thing at the White House and it's sort of like MAGA washes everything. You know what I mean? Yeah. Makes everybody like them again. Gives them positive press, which undeniable. Undeniable gave them positive press. I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts.

1:05:08You know, I think just on Paramount, it's something like 30 something million now. and you know they were telling me that they thought it was probably 150 million people had watched it in some form which was uh you know tiktok clips instagram youtube but that is a nutty number man and i think dana and hunter they were thinking it could get to like a billion people see it which is just nuts yeah in some form you know highlight reels clips i mean just the gaichi fight alone just the highlight reels how many people watch those on instagram and tiktok and the awareness of the event of the moment was so huge.

1:05:46It was like nothing else. Like, it didn't feel like any other event we'd ever been. Like, I was nervous before it started. Like, I never get nervous before the UFC. I get excited, but I was, like, legitimately nervous. I was feeling a little like, this is crazy. Like, we're on the White House lawn? Nuts. The flyover is when it really hit. Yeah, well, when they had all those jets together and they were so close to each other, like, imagine if one of those fucking cliffs under their wing and spirals right into the ellipse. Yeah. Yeah, crazy. What a spectacle. Yeah. They would have definitely canceled the fights because they canceled the White House correspondence dinner because of that assassination attempt.

1:06:24God damn it. Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that, I heard. Yeah, so annoying. I was more excited for that than like anything. How did they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedule it? Maybe they're going to wait until the ballroom's finished because that's the argument for the ballroom that they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured. Yeah. Kurt Massacre thinks the whole thing's fake. Oh, another fake assassination attempt? Yeah. How'd that guy get in there? Yeah. I think some people are just incompetent. There's incompetence. There's bad security. There's people that don't do their job.

1:07:00Also. There's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem. And you're in a hotel. Also, the guy made it to the first level of the first scanning of security. It's not like he made it into the thing. But he did shoot somebody, right? I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest. Yeah. Is that true, Jamie? I think so. See, there were so many stories online. It's so hard to know what was true and what was not. But I think the guy was a teacher, like a substitute teacher. Nuts. It's all nuts. It's like, man, you didn't think this out? I rescheduled it for July 24th.

1:07:40Okay. The Correspondents Dinner? Yep. Wow. I did not know that. You might want to polish up some of them bits. Yeah. It's going to be some new stuff. Go back and tag some of them with some current events. Where are they going to have it? Sorry. Sorry. If they have it at the same spot, that's not smart. New event held July 24th.

1:08:07Is that the Pentagon? They might wait. They might wait to release that. Yeah, it's not saying. Oh, Waldorf Astoria. Oh, okay. Well, I guarantee you they'll tighten that bitch up a little bit. Oh, yeah. I know he was excited to do the jokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, he was very pumped. Yeah. They were bangers. I ran them um because the thing happened I happened to be performing at the Kennedy Center the next that weekend the next weekend so I ran the jokes and I realized that I had Adam Ray as a special guest that was on before me he brought me on stage so I go you know what even I wrote jokes for the president of the United States to make fun of the press and everybody at the White House Correspondents Dinner but I just realized Adam's here Adam you want to come out and read these in Trump's voice.

1:09:04And so he was seeing the jokes for the first time and reading them and we had so much fun. I didn't know he does a Trump which doesn't surprise me. I mean his impressions are insane. He can do anything. Yeah he can do anything. He didn't even, he was dabbling in a Biden the week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden which I think is a fucking God, I think it's like 40 million or some crazy amount. And again just like the UFC God only knows after clips but it was a monumental comedy fucking moment having shane as trump right before the election adam as biden right before the election right after their first debate where biden was clearly fucking zonked and sleepy and just couldn't compete at all and so i hit up adam via text i'm like do you have a biden he's like i cover it for five seconds and in my stand-up i'm like uh are you free on Monday to fly to Austin and do Biden if I can get Shane as Trump?

1:10:04And I remember telling Shane, I was like, I'm like, this is going to be an interesting ask. But I, you know, I'm just like, hey, Adam's got a Biden. And Shane's like, I have something to do on Monday. I'm canceling it. I'm doing Trump. He immediately saw the brilliance. It was just such a hot topic at the time. And my God, it was fucking crazy. There's clips that I see of that episode and I never rewatch Kill Tony's or anything. I'll see clips sometimes and I literally go, oh, my God. Holy fucking shit. There's one part where Trump goes, how many more retards are you going to bring out here? Because there have been like two handicapped people on this show.

1:10:43All right. How many more retards do you have come as I'm pulling a name out of the bucket in real time? I go, anything can happen, Mr. President. Let's see what the next guy is like. And he comes out and he has like these weird deformed penguin arms. And you see Shane as Trump and the crowds dying because they see him first. And you see Shane as Trump looking, oh, fuck. It's just one of his his react facial reactions to things are like his greatest secret fucking hilarious weapon. And when he's Trump, it's even amplified. It's like, in my opinion, 10 or 20 percent funnier than even Shane is. I mean I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it Because Trump is just such an interesting polarizing character And his take on him is so fucking funny It's psychotic His impression is so good It's the greatest Trump impression of all time Because it's like the jokes are so good Oh by far What's funny Jim?

1:11:38It's so epic Back it up a little bit Another fun appearance by Drew Nickens This is the best

1:11:49Alright Tony, how many more retarded guys do you have back then? Anything can happen. This crowd is hungry for more retarded guys. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough retarded guys. How about a retarded racist? Would you like to see? This next person could be one. I pulled it out of the bucket. It is the Kill Tony debut, I do believe, of Jacob Barr, everybody. Jacob Barr. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Thank you. Well, well, well. Thank you. Oh my God. Okay. Careful what you went for. Okay. Hold on. We're going to reset this, Jacob. What's funny is Adam knows better than anybody that you're not supposed to say anything after the bucket bowl comes up.

1:12:36So me grabbing the mic out of his hand and putting it down is even another layer of hilarious to all of us. It's like Biden's misbehaving. I don't know. Did you see Shane's face when he notices his hands? This is it. Look. And then.

1:12:58He's our Jackie Gleason. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt. That's what it is. Plus plus, man. He's the great one. He's something else. Of our generation. What people don't realize, I mean, obviously, is that he is that funny all the fucking time. All the time. When we're hanging out in the green room. Every bar, every restaurant, every green room, every stairway, fucking anywhere, everything. He, I always compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime. He just hits harder and different, doing the smallest little things. Even if it's a face, if somebody says something and he just like reacts to it, it's crazy.

1:13:35It's also always fun. He's a fun guy. Like he wants to have fun. Like even when he's cracking jokes, it's fun. I know he was very reluctant to do the roast. you know he's a little reluctant to even host that like i don't want to do those things yeah you know but well everything is you know everything could be something he crushed so hard it caused a real ruckus him and i end capping that thing you know what i mean yeah it was supposed to be a you know this roast of black excellence and me and shane are just fucking having the time of our lives he got who said it was a roast of black excellence you're just saying that because it was Kevin Hart?

1:14:15Well, yeah. It wasn't explicitly stated or anything, right? Because imagine if you said we're going to have a roast of white excellence. Right, exactly. That's crazy. It's weird. You can and can't say. That's weird. That's a whole thing with that. I mean, you can't talk about this, but you can talk about that. Well, it's just weird what we accept. Which doesn't bother me at all. But like Cain Velasquez, when he fought in the UFC, he used to have brown pride tattooed on his chest. Cool. And his family came over from Mexico. They literally walked here. Yeah. White pride, not so popular. Right. White pride on your chest.

1:14:57You know, fucking Sean Strickland just decided to get white pride. And he posted a picture on Instagram of him as a world champion with white pride on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest. and people would lose their fucking minds. Yes. And again, not saying that Sean would ever put white pride on his chest. He would. No, he would. I follow him. He doesn't have any tattoos. I follow him on Twitter. He would. Trust me. He's a wild boy. He'd get a temporary tattoo. He showed up at the UFC even though he was banned? He showed up and they arrested him?

1:15:33Yeah. They kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House. At the time, before Justin won, he was the only American world champion. And they're like, you can't come. Yeah. Because you talk too much shit about Israel. He's a wild boy. But that's wild that your criticism about Israel is what keeps you from going to the White House as a world champion in world title fights at the White House. Yeah. Like, you would think you would want to celebrate the American male world champion. I think he said some other stuff, too, though. Yeah. Some Epstein stuff there. Yeah.

1:16:15He's a wild boy. Yeah. I think he's. I told him when he retires from fighting, he 100 % should do a podcast. And he was like, you know, seeing these guys doing these streamers and like, I go, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do it that way. He's like, I couldn't do that. Just sit there every day and talk to people. I'd lose my fucking mind. I'm like, right. But you don't have to do that. Just your opinions on things. He's an awesome podcast guest. I'm like, he could totally, totally do that. Just talk about stuff. And also, Sean, when he lets the whole shtick down and just gives you his opinions on things, very smart guy.

1:16:54He's not stupid at all. And he would get better at it as he did it more. He easily could do a podcast. Yeah, he's entertaining as fuck. I just can't believe they kicked him out of the White House and that is they kicked him out of the ellipse that area There's I think there's a video of it. See if you can find the video of it Sorry guys like they got like fucking six cops a bulletproof vest. Yeah, I think there was like 85 ,000 people there so it's funny that they're like that one the champion It's just he wasn't supposed to be there. He's banned. He was not invited or whatever But even if you're not invited shouldn't you be able to go to the fan area if you're the world champion If you want to be that wild with no security and there's video of him from the first night from the night of the weigh-ins Where they found out that he was there.

1:17:41It's amazing because he was wearing a hoodie the entire time And someone told me he's got to take off the hoodie. It's like I can't listen It's gonna be a problem And as soon as he takes off the hoodie everybody goes, that's fucking strong chicken And then he's just surrounded by bros hilarious just getting a hug to death he asked some dude some dude asked him to leg kick him so Sean leg kick some kid crazy world champion fucking kicking some kid what is this world coming to there's starting to be some is there audio

1:18:28This is crazy. I like that we have some entertaining American people. He's the most entertaining. That Josh Hockett. Hockett? Hockett. Hockett. Yeah. My God. That was what was hilarious, was people were so upset that he said, Michelle Obama's a man at the White House? It's like, that's what he's doing. He's doing that on purpose. He's literally wearing an American flag bandana. He comes out to a Hulk Hogan song. He's wearing sunglasses. Yeah, it's not appropriate. You're right. Yep. Right. But he said the exact same thing when I interviewed him somewhere else. Yeah. He said, I'm pretty sure he said Michelle Obama's a man like last time I interviewed him.

1:19:10That's what I heard. It's not his first rodeo at the Michelle Obama's a man. That's how he ends his interviews. Hilarious. He's trying to get people to talk about him. Yep. You know, it's the whole thing is so crazy. But all of it would be nothing if he couldn't fight. Exactly. That's what that's where it's real exciting is the pre fight stuff. I mean, the post fight interview, pretty polarizing, obviously, because that was the news. But if you for the real fans paying attention, you didn't get to see him do that. Did I send it to you, the Kill Tony Minute that he did at the press conference? I heard about it.

1:19:47Oh, my God. So funny because he's like purposefully bombing. So he's literally doing a joke. He says, you guys know Tony Hinchcliffe? I'm going to do my Kill Tony Minute. And he's purposefully like bombing. It's corny, purposeful, bad jokes. And he's going, man, tough crowd. All right, let me try this one. And it's like literally being hilarious by strategically trying to be funny but not being funny. You could tell that he was planning on nobody laughing, but that it's set up punch. And he's just fucking trying to entertain. He's trolling. He's trolling. He's getting attention. And then the most important thing, he can fight.

1:20:29Yeah. That dude's good. He's fucking good, man. He's fast as shit. For a heavyweight, he's very light on his feet. Fast as shit. Fast hands. Yeah. So fun to watch. And, you know, what's interesting is he talked a lot of shit about Alex Pereira. And, you know, I want a shama on your mama or all that crazy shit. Pereira losing to Cyril Gaunt. If Pereira decides to fight again, I don't know if he's going to fight again. He might be done. I think he said he might be done. But, I mean, a lot of fighters say that after a fight and especially after a loss. Yeah. Let him sit around for a while. Then they come up with.

1:21:05He's not done. They back up the Brinks truck. Get him versus Josh Hoke. at him as a co-main event on a fucking banging New Year's Eve card. Let's go. Hokut will be making fun of his headdress and his face makeup. Oh, it would be insane. It would be insane. But, you know, the thing is, Hokut's got to deal with that guy. That's a different guy. That's not Derek Lewis. I mean, if he continues to fight heavyweight, it is interesting watching a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and at 205 with that all that extra weight on i don't know if that necessarily was the right move you know i mean i think like some weight is probably good but maybe even 20 pounds lighter like maybe 230 something maybe that would be a better weight if you were once to fight at heavyweight because it seems like he was carrying i mean just you ever work out with a weight vest on yeah it's crazy yeah like a 25 pound weight vest it's nuts how much harder everything is.

1:22:03So you got to realize he had fought at 185 and he fought at 205. That was what he weighed in at. But let's be honest at 185. I think he probably weighed 220 something, 226. I think it was fight night, which is nuts. It's 40 pounds difference. And at 205, he probably got into the 230s, like 235, 236, something like that. But still was not, didn't look like he looked at 251. 251 he looked like he was carrying unnecessary weight a little bit of it at least and if he was just like 20 pounds lighter he would still have that speed and movement but he's always had crazy knockout power it might be a better weight for it just seemed like it was a lot of weight he had on him you know and it all went to his ass his ass was giant fat ass big fat ass you know me You know, that's all I'm looking at.

1:22:57That's why I watch UFC. And, yeah, it was all there. It was like a backpack. Well, that's where all the power comes from. You know, when you're pushing off your feet and, you know, you're pushing off those fucking quads and pushing into those glutes and then torquing that body the way he does. Ferocious power, dude. But, damn, that Cyril Ghosn's good. Woo! Yeah. Woo! Yeah, crazy. He's so good, dude. And he's in his prime right now. Cyril Ghosn is, like, really coming into his own. There's no heavyweight like him. No one moves like him. Yeah, I was going to say extremely accurate for a heavyweight.

1:23:30Not just accurate, agile. Because we were talking about this the other day, that basketball is a great place to start if you're a big athlete and you want to learn combat sports, especially striking. Because think about how many direction changes basketball players take, where they're always kind of doing that. They're always spinning and moving. It's a series of plyometrics. It's a series of hops and jumps. Like Jordan's jump. Imagine if Jordan had a flying knee. Right. Right? Yeah. He's hit you with a flying knee from 14 feet away. Yeah. What do you got? What's that? It's interesting because.

1:24:08Oh, Cyril Gons. Yeah. So he started out playing basketball. At least where I come from, basketball season and wrestling season are at the same time. So I wonder what he was doing back then. Well, he's in France, right? So France does not a wrestling in their high school or in their college, you know And he learned wrestling after he had become a really elite world-class Muay Thai fighter So he's got the the grappling is come up in big ways like his grappling is much better than it used to be But really primarily he's a striker and when John fought him like John just got him to the ground and submitted him like quickly It's like the different I think in that fight was kind of a big-ass wake-up call and Francis beat him too so Francis beat him by just Francis just got a hold of him and most of the fight was on the ground a giant chunk of it because Francis fought that fight with a blown-out ACL Wow defended his world title with a blown-out ACL had big ass knee pads on I know wobbly ass knee but that's how dangerous Francis is yeah he could just win it with grappling it's it's a shame that he's not in the UFC It's a real shame.

1:25:18Yeah. Because, like, that whole thing was what drove everyone crazy about boxing. You know, that it was really hard to get these guys together. You know, and this was the whole idea, why everybody was excited about what Riyadh's season was doing. And Turkey al-Sheikh and, you know, all those people that put together these big-ass fights, like Tyson Fury and Alexander Usyk. And the last one they just did, Rico Verhoeven and Usyk. They're putting together these big, crazy fights. That was the thing that drove everybody nuts about boxing, and that's what drives everybody nuts about MMA. It's the heavyweight division, the fact that the best heavyweight, or at least the guy who was the lineal heavyweight champion in the world, isn't even fighting for the UFC.

1:26:04That's crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe one day, right? Nope. I don't think so. I tried to make it happen. Damn. I think we need to get those dudes together. Look at that. Look at Cyril Gan. dunking. That's crazy. I know. See that kind of ability to throw your body around like that is so huge as a striker because a lot of those guys are plotting you know they're plotters they just kind of like wobble through. I think what they need to do is get Francis and the UFC together they all do mushrooms. Yeah. Just like make friends. Yeah. Because he doesn't have much time left. I think Francis is 38.

1:26:39Is that how old he is? I think he's 38 which is different as a heavyweight heavyweights in terms of 40 in September whoa not much time left right 40 you can do but unless you're Bernard Hopkins fighting at a world-class level in your 40s kind of unheard of I remember when France when Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik a lot of people did not think that he had a chance oh yeah I remember it very clearly and he outboxed the fuck out of Kelly Pavlik. He looks so good. Truly the executioner. I want to say he was in his 40s when that happened. I think so. How old was Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlik?

1:27:22He fought at a world-class level until he's 50 years old. Yeah. Nuts. Yeah. Nuts. We were all watching that one. Everybody from Youngstown going, all right, this is it. We're going to get back on the right path because it was after his loss to Margarita. Is that right? Who's the guy that got caught with the cement in his gloves against the one guy? Antonio Margarito. I do believe you. 43. Wow. He was 43 years old. Wow. Crazy. Against a 26-year-old. Crazy. Especially at 170 pounds. Nobody thinks at that weight that you can be competitive at a world-class level into your 40s. Most of the time, people just write you off on that number.

1:28:07They don't even care what you look like. He's not going to be able to do it. Was he the first one to beat Kelly? Is that what I just saw? Wow. Okay. So he lost to him, and that's where shit started to get fucked up. Because then he went on a bad run after that. Well, when you got beat up like that, it's just tough on the brain, dude. There's only so many of them fights that you could take where you get really beat up like that, but not put it on them. You know there's been a bunch of fights where a fighter got beat up really badly and then they were never the same again Meldrick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez.

1:28:42That's a great example Chavez just put it on him and dropped him in the final moments of the round and then Richard Steele stopped it and it was like this Crazy fucking controversy because he stopped the fight with like one second to go in a fight that Meldrick was ahead on the scorecards but the the real story of that fight was that the damage that Chavez had put on Meldrick, Meldrick was never the same again. Pavlik actually won his next two fights and then had a bad staph infection problem. Oh, wow. So after he beat Sergio, so he was set to fight Paul Williams to major staph infection and allergic reaction to some antibiotics nearly killed him.

1:29:24Whoa. He eventually was able to fight again against light middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. Oh, Sergio Martinez. He beat him. Martinez beat him. Oh, yeah, sorry. But, yeah, unanimous 12-round decision. Sergio Martinez was a bad motherfucker, too. Yes, he was. Yeah. In late rounds, Martinez came up. Yeah, it's just a crazy sport, man. You only have so many wars in you. There's only so many times you could do that. And the really clever guys are the guys who just don't get hit much. I went down a Madonna rabbit hole recently. Oh, my God. That fucking guy's a freak. Oh, he's an animal. What a career.

1:30:08He was an animal. Unbelievable. He fought everybody. He was one of the few guys to really rock Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. Knocked his tooth out and wore his tooth around a chain. Oh, I love that. Yeah. He got Floyd's tooth and wore it as a piece of it. See if you can find the tooth that Madonna had. Look at that. Oh, my God. That is so cool. How hilarious is that? That's so funny. He had his tooth put on a fucking, he wears Floyd's tooth on a necklace. Wow. That's crazy. Boy, what a square-jawed motherfucker that guy is, huh? Yeah. Look at that jaw. That guy looks like he could hit him with a baseball bat.

1:30:49He was a tough dude. Insane career. I think he fought everybody. The Broner fight, too. He dropped Broner. That was when Broner was in his prime. Yeah. He was a beast. It's a hard-ass fucking sport. Any combat sport. It is a hard way to make a living. Profitable. Do you see all the stuff that's going on with Floyd? Yeah. I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money and doesn't pay taxes or whatever. Yeah. Well, I could tell you how. You run out of money. Yeah. You spend so much money on things. Do you think he has a business manager? Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest.

1:31:31I mean, just, you gotta put somebody in charge of that amount of money. You would think. You would think$750 million would last you a while. Yeah. I mean, he's not even 50. You give one guy 5%. How old is Floyd now? I mean. Yeah, put some away. God. But the thing is, it's like that lifestyle, his lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth. His lifestyle, he's 49. Imagine making$750 million and you're 49, you're broke. Oh, God. That's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars. Just went through it. You know, if you're living that life where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches and, you know, Floyd does these things.

1:32:20You ever seen him when he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling and he talks about like the watches that he brought? And so he opens up suitcases with millions of dollars in watches. Just open suitcase. You ever seen these? No. Find them because they're kind of hilarious. He's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear. He brings them all with him. Yeah. It's just showing off. and you're showing off that he's got two suitcases filled with diamond-encrusted Patek Philippe's and, you know, the most high-end of watches. Look at this. Do you have the clip? Here it is. Let me put some volume on this.

1:32:57Look at this. I'm always in my fucking business worried about what I'm doing, what Floyd is doing, what Floyd ain't doing, what I do got, what I don't got. Just know I'm going to stay in my lane. I ain't going to fuck with nobody, and I don't want nobody fucking with me. If I go on vacation, my fault. When I go on vacation for 30 days, I take 30 watches with me.

1:33:22Look at this, dude. But you know what? You know what? What's crazy is this. If we add 10 more days, I take 10 more watches. But then I say, fuck it. If I want to bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that costs 18 million. Oh, Jesus. Matter of fact, you know what I'm going to do? For you motherfucking hankers today, I'm going to go fuck on$50 ,000 because I ain't got shit else to do. Money made. All motherfucking day. You know what's crazy. So that's the problem. So that you can only do for so long. Yeah. So if you have one$18 million watch, like, okay, let's not get crazy. Let's not get crazy.

1:34:03You wanted to get it. You got it. You have$750 million. You have one$18 million watch. you can't have 18 watches that cost millions of dollars like because you're going to need more you're going to keep wanting to buy more you're going to keep you're going to run out of money how many rolls royces do you have okay each one of those is a half a million dollars you have four or five of them hmm how many ferraris you got 10 ferraris okay what some of those ferraris are almost a million dollars you have 10 almost a million dollar cars okay so just in watches and cars alone we're looking at 50 60 million okay and then you have to make 120 plus to actually have 60.

1:34:47i don't know if he's leasing them i don't know how he's financing things i don't know but i'd love to know the reality that money back by he can make the money that he needs back by literally making a super documentary about how he spent it you ever seen that 30 for 30 broke about how the NFL players all spent their money no well it's unbelievable one of the easiest watches ever and like it it's I it's got to be 30 for 30s like biggest production ever like it's everywhere it's it's just huge and um yeah who the hell doesn't want to know about that right and I'm waiting on that Nicolas Cage doc that I probably nobody's making either where it's like because he's a different version of that you know about this he went broke oh yeah but then he made it back again well yeah he works his ass off so he went on a he's on a terror he's just making movies left and right and uh yeah going from 100 he faced severe financial struggles in the late 2000s going from 150 million dollar fortune to being 6 million in debt whoa he never officially filed for bankruptcy but he cleared his debts by relentlessly taking on movie roles, including direct-to-video films and selling off extensive real estate and assets.

1:36:04I guess he bought a lot of T-Rex skulls. He spent his money on crazy things. He didn't just go watches and cars. He would find crazy pieces of art and old historical things, I think. Well, he was a movie star from way back. You've got to realize, what was his first film? I think his first film was like 1980 or something. Yeah. I remember him being a movie star when I was in high school. Yeah. That's a lot of time of being in that bizarro Hollywood bubble, getting your brain cooked by fame. Yeah. He's one of those, you can watch him do anything. Like one of those freaks where even though people will say, I don't like this Nicolas Cage thing, I don't like that.

1:36:48From an article about what he spent his money on. $455 ,000 for two snakes.

1:36:57Okay, so it was$276 ,000 in 2005, the equivalent of$455 ,000 today. Thanks, inflation. How crazy is that? Think about that. $275 ,000 in 2005 is$455 ,000 today. Damn. How fun is inflation? Wow. What was Nicolas Cage's first movie? Officially? Yeah. He was in a few things like unofficially. Just that crazy movie with him and... Raising Arizona had to be like the first big hit, right? That was a big one. That was a big one.

1:37:35His new ones are good, too. These wacky ones. His filmography, if you go all the way back. 1982, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Is Nicholas Coppola. Valley Girl is what I was thinking of. That was in 83. Yeah. Credit is Nicholas Coppola. That's before he changed his name because he didn't want to be connected. to, what is his uncle? Francis Ford Coppola? Is that what it is? Yeah. Valley Girl. So Valley Girl was 83. So I was in high school, dude. Raising Arizona, Peggy Sue Got Married. Those were big, too. Big. Those were huge movies, dude. Raising Arizona is so fucking funny. I saw that like a year ago.

1:38:11I forgot how funny it was. Remember Tex Cobb was in there? The boxer with the flat nose who fought Larry Holmes? He did a bunch of movies. The big white guy? Yeah. Big fucking corn fed white guy. On the motorcycle? Yeah. Oh yeah. He's great. It's a Coen Brothers movie, right? Raising Arizona is. Those guys might be the goats. They might be the goats of comedy. Them and the Farrelly Brothers. Yep. No doubt. How many amazing, hilarious fucking movies. And the Coen Brothers, they were always so out there. Everything's so out there. Some of their films are just like, what the fuck are you guys doing?

1:38:50Was Kingpin Farrelly Brothers? Yes. Those guys, too. Without a doubt. Fuck, that was good. Unbelievable. Fuck, that's a funny movie. So fucking great. It's crazy. So funny. The scene where he's throwing up in the toilet when she's talking about him eating her pussy to pay his rent. Oh, my God. Oh. Woody's range is incredible. You know what I heard about that movie? That they had primed all the actors to get really excited when Bill Murray throws three strikes. Because he had to throw three strikes in a row. And so they said, this might take a while, so we're going to really need your enthusiasm.

1:39:24And then Bill Murray actually threw three strikes in a row, first attempt, and everybody went crazy. Like, for real. Because they said, this is not going to happen this way. So when he actually did it, everybody went fucking bananas. Nuts. Fuck, such a good movie. I love it. Dude, Woody's a freak, bro. since he's moved here and goes to kill Tony and like we hang out and stuff only after like being making friends with him like I knew he did a lot of great stuff but he sneaks up in so many great things it's insane he's in fucking um what is the Coen brothers one with uh not there will be blood it was made at the same time with Javier Bardem oh my god how am I blanking on this It's No Country for Old Men.

1:40:16Oh, that's right. He's in it. And he's not even, they don't even like promote him on that or anything. He just comes in the movie halfway through with all these other fucking greats and is crushing. It's hard to think that that's the Coen Brothers movie. The People versus Larry Flint. He's a freak of nature. Was that thing that you sent me the other day with him when he was playing LBJ? Oh my God, it's so good. I randomly stumbled across that one. And I'm like, oh, I'll fall asleep to this. Woody is LBJ. And it's one of those movies that fucking kept me awake because it was so goddamn good. Mesmerizing.

1:40:51Super nice guy, too. Like, easy to hang out with. Oh, my God, the best. Very chill with everybody. Just hangs out. When he's in the green room, it's just like one of us. Yeah. Normal. Yeah. You know, it's just hard to do. When you've been famous that long, just be cool. Yeah. But also, he doesn't have a phone. You get a hold of him. You got to go through his wife to get a hold of him. He's smart. just insulates himself from all the nonsense. Brilliant. So smart. That's the way to do it. Yeah, but I think when you get to like that level, you kind of have to or you'll go crazy. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

1:41:22He has this fun. He likes laughing, sipping his tequila, smoking his weed. He's got it all figured out. Grows his own weed, makes his own tequila, eats live food or whatever, and just laughs and enjoys life. It's perfect. Yeah, it's nice to know that people can make it through that crazy maze. And, you know, you could either go nuts and buy Tyrannosaurus Rex skulls. Or you could just completely disconnect from it all and just be yourself. Just keep killing it. I know him and McConaughey have a TV show that's coming out where they play Brothers, right? Yeah. I think it's on Apple TV coming out soon.

1:42:04Yeah.

1:42:08Yeah. So what's it been like, like the weirdness, the post-roast weirdness? I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that they last so long that anybody's talking about it. It's so bizarre. I was surprised with the Pang Dang thing. I was surprised at the Trump thing. And this one is really surprising because with other ones, they're like, ah there's a time and a place for jokes like that or this or that or whatever and this is the time and the place for it is like the roast of kevin hart you know i'm gonna go for it yeah and we roasted kevin you know i did a fucking george floyd joke in the uh at the tom brady roast and i did a who's the white guy that shot people um uh it's the same fan base as uh god damn it the kid that shot people up in wherever be a little more specific the white guy shot a couple people had a gun at a thing they made it look like it was black people but it was actually white people that he shot that were shooting at him or had guns what's his name has the i have no idea who you're talking about david lucas is friends with him brought him to the club oh kyle rittenhouse that's it that's it oh i did a kyle rittenhouse joke i did this And then this one, people are offended or something.

1:43:38I don't know. And yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip. But if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke, which that's my thing, man. It's like I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet like he was halfway through my set. You know, you know, there's standing O's that are happening during my actual roast. And on this one, because there were so many people on it, it was such a long, big roast. You know, they set you to an allotted time. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do something I don't normally do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do.

1:44:17Instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that, I'm just going to create a bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, final stand of things. You know, what's funny is that I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like I don't want you to like 100 % of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm heelish. I'm a bad guy wrestling fan. You're a pro wrestling heel. Exactly. So what's funny is people got offended about the George Floyd thing and people a lot of people said yeah well Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke. And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums But what what they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set so Fuck them fuck them fuck them fuck them.

1:45:02You know what everybody gets them everybody gets it is always everybody gets some jokes Everybody does I said that Kevin has a What quite the fan base he has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk yeah or whatever and And so, you know, for people to nitpick that joke and be offended, and it's funny because it was a lot of comedians, a lot of black comedians were like, I'm upset about this. You know, they made their videos, which is just hilarious because they're not on the roast. They're not in attendance at the roast. You saw Tiffany Haddish. That was the best one. Nobody handled it better than her.

1:45:44Find Tiffany Haddish getting Asked questions Was it a TMZ thing? Yeah About the roast Because she handled it so perfectly They were trying to bait everybody Of course they were Even Cheryl Underwood who handled it all like a champ We made friends before At a Netflix brunch That week that was For that festival I told you about Cheryl She's awesome I worked with Cheryl in like the early 2000s, I think it was, in Montreal. I told you, she's a monster. She'd go on stage with her purse on, just clutching her purse on stage and murdered. Listen to Tiffany. She ready. You look so good. So you have like 30 seconds to chat really quick.

1:46:32So talking about Kevin Hart roast, right? Yes, it was so much fun. So Lonnie Love didn't think so. Lonnie Love was like, you know what, it's exhausting, it's edgy. specifically about the George Floyd joke. What are you thinking? Is it just comedy? Should they have been a little less? I think it should have been shorter. The show was too long. I mean, I was sitting there the whole time I had to pee. Something, I didn't hear the George Floyd joke because I had to pee so bad. So you were sitting back then with that? Yeah, I was a glorified seat filler and I was tired. Well, also, I mean, Lonnie and other people were like, oh, maybe it was a little too racially motivated.

1:47:07What do you think as far as like the jokes? Is this just comedy or are people taking it too seriously? Is this all comedians saying it that wasn't invited?

1:47:22That's the fucking comedian Tiffany Haddish. Bro, that was her version of the Sean O'Malley walk off. I love it. I love it, man. You never forget those people that actually are answering honestly and real. Well, real comics. And again, it's the same thing for 100%. Not only is it a fun walk-off home run, but she's also 100 % correct. There's nobody that was there that was offended. There was no ruckus there. It's just like everything else where you leave and you go, huh, this thing's kind of crazily taking off, it seems. A lot of people are talking about that one joke at the end. It's so weird.

1:48:03We live in an outrage culture and an outrage. There's money in outrage. There's engagement in outrage. Outrage is the commodity that everybody wants. They want to be outraged. And they want to be right. And if you're outraged and you've got a good point, you just ride that fucking thing for as much juice as you can get out of it. And then you move on to the next thing. What are you mad at now? It, you know, there's never in any of these things, there's never a moment where I'm like, okay, this could cause a problem. It was, it's never been that way. It was high fives, high fives and laughter after my 3 p.m.

1:48:42set in a half filled Madison Square Garden waiting for the 8 p.m. arrival of Trump to speak. I'm, you know, on a 34 person lineup. Everyone was thrilled. Way to get the crowd going. I mean, we're just getting the party started. The lights were up. Like, it obviously wasn't the best position for me on that lineup, but the same exact thing. And then it's like a little bit later, you realize like, oh, they're making a news story about the Puerto Rico joke of all things. So interesting. I told you that joke was going to be a problem. I would have never told you to do that joke during that, but I told you that was going to be a problem in your ass.

1:49:19It wasn't supposed to be in my original thing for that. It was a last second filler because they gave me more time than everybody. It was a very bizarre thing. They gave me more time for every bizarre thing. First of all, the idea that you would go on after someone. Like, who went on before you? Stephen Miller? No, not even. Who was it? It was the national anthem with a guy painting a painting of things. Actually, no. He went on after me. I went on right after the national anthem. But someone had some kind of a rah-rah speech. Make America Great Again. I wish there was. That all came, like, way after me.

1:49:52Which is crazy. They just had me on the wrong position on the thing. And, you know. You should only do stand-up where people are doing stand-up. Totally. Totally. It doesn't work. Totally. It's like, but you got to say. But then again, it did work in-house. The place isn't mic'd for stand-up comedy or lit for stand-up or anything like it. No, they were laughing. They were having a good old time. Well, they were probably happy that something wasn't stiff and boring. Right. You know, like taxes and fucking tariffs. I mean, Rudy Giuliani went on like three hours after me. That's crazy. Yeah. It was a nuts all day.

1:50:28It was a super long thing. My point being is that it always surprises me that I'm the news, even though I'm because if someone else said it, if it was a politician that did it or someone else, someone high up in the administration, that would make sense. Same thing with the roast. If it was a clean comedian, right? If Nate Bargatze or Jim Gaffigan were on it and they said that, that's crazy. Me saying it, that's normal. They don't know that, though. See, the thing is, it's like you've achieved a level of fame that like really snuck up on people over the last couple of years. You know, it's because the rise of Kill Tony has been completely organic.

1:51:11Like there's been no promotion of kill Tony that made it become what it is It's all just people sharing it on YouTube sharing it online. That's all it is clips and these Moments, you know and then you know obviously the Shane moments and all the Kyle done again It's been just so many amazing moments. This is a good show. It came organically And then you got to this point over the last couple years like oh we got to pay attention to this fucking guy. And then we had us. And then after they started attacking you from the White House thing or the Madison Square Garden thing, rather, which is 2024, then it was on.

1:51:46Then it's on like Donkey Kong. Right. So that's two years later. So now you're a guy that they go to like to get mad at. And there's a bunch of people like that online that that's their business. Their business is people are mad at them. They have hot takes. People are mad at them. Yeah. I mean, that's so you're you've fallen into that category. and so there's going to be people that genuinely don't like what you did and don't like you and then there's going to be people that are just using it as a commodity they're just using it as outrage which is part of what the game is you know this this is what they do and their engagement you know fucking game that they play and it's kind of what we do in the joke game yeah you know you get engagement you get people to laugh they you say outrageous things that you don't even really mean but this because it's a funny thing to say it's just like i always say bob marley didn't really shoot the sheriff you know that right right it's like it's just jokes like when you say inappropriate shit on purpose and that is like everybody used to know that like louis ck was a very left-wing progressive guy when he was saying really fucked up things that he didn't mean on purpose because they were funny yeah like that was what he did and everybody was fine with it until somewhere around, it seems like it was like 2016, 2000, like it started to turn a corner where it became like, people are starting to take these things as statements rather than as comedy material.

1:53:14And they started trying to pretend that the person really means this. Like that's where it got crazy. And that happened around the time where social media really came into prominence. Because before that there was no real avenue to do that. There's no real avenue to pretend you were really deeply upset Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's some people that were upset But there's also a lot of like people that are just ill they're online all the time on these social media apps just arguing and Spitting out venom and yelling at people and they yell at them It's like they're in hell all day long and anytime something comes along they could be upset at they got it They have to have their take they have to have that hot take.

1:53:54Yeah And if their hot take gets engagement, they're all looking at their likes. Oh, yeah. And they just start reengaging with that subject and going back on it. And this is the real problem. Okay. Yeah. Good luck with that. That's bad for your head, kid. Right. Exactly. Very bad for your head. All those people that I know that are like, especially comics that are doing it, the comics that are doing it, almost all of them don't have good careers. No, all of them. Right. None of them have like impressive careers, especially compared to their contemporaries that are doing well. And then on top of it, they're all mentally ill.

1:54:25They're all people that are fucking filled up with pharmaceuticals and they're going to therapy. They're literally mentally ill and they're online talking about fascists. Right. You know, like, stop. Get your shit together. No one. Your opinion is not that valuable to people because they know that you're fucked up. Do you not understand that? Right. Like the way you view the world is it's not a healthy, balanced perspective. Like you're viewing the world in this like mentally ill lens. Well, the whole online thing doesn't, it doesn't even convert to sold tickets or a bigger thing. It's such a temporary drug for them to get to fill this void of what they're not doing.

1:55:07Right. It doesn't convert to them. People want to go see them. No. I mean, some people maybe they get like a little juice out of it, but it's not enough because you're also opening the door. If you do become popular, you have to understand that if you've been spitting hate at people for a decade and then you become popular, boy, that hate's coming your way. Oh, yeah. It's coming your way, you know. And this is one of the things that I said after the Mencia stuff. I said even though I think it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't do it again because it's just too much. It's just too much. You just feel the darkness of it all.

1:55:41It's all negative. It's all negative. Even though it had to be done because you've got this guy that with it. It showed me how completely Absent of morals and ethics the business is completely absent, right? They knew what he was doing and they did not care They didn't care because they were profiting from it. This is the conversation that I had with my agent when they were dumping me I said I told them I go you're making a mistake right now It's gonna affect the rest of your life. You have to understand the choice that you're making you're choosing to align with someone who in any other industry that person would be in jail right if that person was and also if this was in literature or if this was in music they would be sued into high heaven like there's songs that like they don't even seem like they're that close to each other and people had to give like songwriting credits to it yeah oh yeah like Like songs, like people get inspired by certain songs and then they write a song that sounds close enough that there's a rhythm to it that people get upset.

1:56:48Well, there's only so many notes and so many chords and there's only so many beats and so much timing. And it's often the same thing with comedy. Like there's some crossovers in a writer's room, which I've been in so many of. So many people writing on the same subject will have the same joke. it's only when it's like what Mencia was doing, word for word, long form. Well, that was a different thing. He was a buccaneer. That was a totally different thing. But there's songs like, okay, so I was listening to this video the other day, or watching this video the other day, rather, that was comparing Radiohead's Creep to an older song, and they had to give Creep, Radiohead, rather, had to give this older song writing credits for this, which sounds so different.

1:57:38And then Radiohead accused Lana Del Rey, or someone from their organization, accused Lana Del Rey of having a song that ripped off Creep, or it sounded too much like Creep. And it did sound a little like Creep, but it was very different. Like, it should be. Obviously, this is, like, inspired by it, right? If that's the, like, Elvis Presley's entire career was inspired by black musicians. Like, the way he danced and moved and the way he sang. So it's like, what are we doing? Like, there's stealing and then there's inspired by. Inspired by is what we were all doing. It's like we were talking about that computer earlier, that chip manufacturing thing.

1:58:17That thing was built on the back of all the fucking super wizard geniuses that have been working on all the different technology that led to that being. You can't just invent that in a vacuum. You have to invent that on all these other inventions that have taken place for decades before you. Right. This is, like, with music, it's interesting how litigious they are. Maybe it's because they're run by a certain group of people. Tony. But they're so good at, like, suing people. Like Bittersweet Symphony. You remember that song? Oh, yeah, totally. They had to give all their money to the Stones. Yep.

1:58:54Because it was, what song? Ah, it's, um. What's House Perplexity? Well, Tony is. Or while Jamie Rutherford is... Don't do that, please. Oh, I can't do that. That's right. No, you can't. Oh, we have to do it. They'll get us. Isn't that crazy? I know. It's a 1965 song called The Last Time. If, if, I mean, we learned this the hard way because I have an actual band that can play anything and everything. And years ago, they could play anything and everything. Our old episodes hold. Because, you know, I'd literally be, to a, you know, a shy person, I'd be like, what do you, you know, you ever do karaoke?

1:59:30They're like, yes. I'd go, what song do you sing? and then they go da-da-da-da, and literally they would go right into it. And now you can't hum a song for a few seconds. So Bittersweet Symphony was a sample from the Verve developed Bittersweet Symphony from a sample from a 1965 version of Rolling Stones' song, The Last Time, adding vocals, strings, guitar, and percussion. After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones' former manager, Alan Klein, the Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones' members, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards who were also added to the songwriting credits. Wow 2019 ten years after Klein's death Jagger Richards and Klein's son ceded the rights to the verb songwriter Richard Ashcroft because he was probably broke.

2:00:16There's similar things that have happened recently with I think Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore and then like Puff Daddy and yeah Can you please look up the other one that I set up though? which was Radiohead, Creep, Lana Del Rey, and Radiohead Creep had to give songwriting credits to another band. The Hollies. The Hollies, that's right. What was the original song? The Air That I Breathe. It's interesting. Let's listen to them. See if you can find that. There's a comparison video that I watched on YouTube. See if you can find that. Because it's interesting how they say the first one, and you're like, geez, I don't see it.

2:01:00We'll have to edit this out, ladies and gentlemen. But you can find it yourself. Radiohead's Creep versus Lana Del Rey's Get Free versus The Hollies, The Air That I Breathe. Yeah, that was a live version of it. But if you hear the recorded version of it, it's even more. You could see. But people get inspired by things. I get it, though. I get it in those cases, especially at the beginning of the Holly song and then the beginning of Radiohead. Like, I'm sort of dead on. Yeah. They're set in a mood, like a very specific mood. Have you ever seen how the guy from, here's a crazy one, the guy from The Gorillas, the song Clint Eastwood, I think it is.

2:01:40He had one of those little kids kind of keyboards. And he hit the demo button. Because oftentimes it'll just have a regular song or whatever. And it's the entire backbone of their biggest hit. You'd have to pull it up, I guess, to understand. But it's that... Yeah, there it is. So that's just On The Thing. Wow. And somehow they got away with it. Wow. And then all they do from there is just, yeah. That's the preset. It's the rock one preset.

2:02:26That's so crazy. They used that. They used a preset from one of them little machines, like a toy. And much like the fucking crazy jokes that end up getting me in trouble, I bet they don't even think that's going to be the hit. You know what I mean? Like, they're probably not like, this is the song that's going to fly off the shelves. Yeah, but other people see it, Tony. I was the one who told you you were going to get stabbed for the Puerto Rican joke. That was so many years later, it's crazy. I was doing that joke during the pandemic to the point to where it got extended to where you were part of it.

2:02:59And what's funny is I left those tags of the longer joke out of the Trump rally one, which probably would have protected me. They probably would have saved it going ah it's gonna get me stabbed whatever you know what I mean Then you would have to do the Amy Schubert. Well, yeah, there was a lot to it. Yeah people don't realize that that's a Bit of a much much bigger chunk at the time Well, that's why it should be in a set. Yeah, you know of comedy is out such a weird art form I mean look I love it to death but real comedy should be seen in person. Oh, yeah You know Stanhope said this once like it was like everything we do on TV is just to try to get people to come see us in the clubs.

2:03:36Exactly. Like, that's really what it is. It's like, you just really want people to go there live because that's the real fun. Yeah. The real fun is all us, a bunch of human beings fucking around and having a good time. Right. As soon as you start taking it seriously and making it something that it's not, like, you're, I get why you're doing it because that has become a thing that people do today. But I'm just saying, like, for your own mental health, just not, it's not good for you to be engaging. like I was saying about the Carlos thing, like just engaging in conflict. It's not good. It's not good for you.

2:04:07It's bad for you. It feels bad. It's not good. It's not, it's your, this is, there's negative energy and positive energy. You should spend as much of your time possible on things that make positive energy. I know that sounds hippie and cause I'm a little bit of hippie. I got a lot of hippie in me, but that's what I believe. I believe you should spend as much of your time having fun making people laugh having a good time and less about dwelling on shit yeah that's why i try to stay off twitter because when i get on i just start freaking out at all the different news stories that are just abomination after abomination where you're just so angry it's just impossible now and and you know it used to be twitter was twitter and this and that but really it's just the news x is the news it is so hard to absorb that it it was fun and you know it's cool and all and my algorithm still shows me stuff that i love police chases gone wrong and and ufc highlights and all of this stuff but all the stuff around that is just crazy i did a thing because I was staying at a hotel in D.C.

2:05:22right after the State of the Union or something. Anyway, I'm like, okay, it's a hotel TV. I never get to watch regular TV. I'm going to be asleep in a few minutes anyway. So I threw on, I ended up going by CNN. I'm like, let's see what these wackos are saying over here. Let's see how fake the news can possibly be because from what I understand, the most recent State of the Union was a solid State of the Union and very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. Oh, racism this. He caused the deaths of black people here. He's the reason why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughingstock of the country.

2:06:02It made me so stressed out. And I'm like, okay, well, let's see what Fox News is saying. And it was crazy over there. And then you have... What do they say? uh well they had their counterpoint person on unlike cnn where they're just all in agreeance yeah yeah and going by six people literally going yeah he's the worst and let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this and like they're just going on and on about straight doom and fox news had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out and you know And I swear to God, I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different show.

2:06:41I go by MSNBC. I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. I put on Silence of the Lambs. To calm yourself down. I swear to God, I was asleep five minutes later. And I ended up, it just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where like, he's got a girl in a well. Puts the lotion in the basket. Pure darkness. and I'm like, oh, finally some peace on the cable television. I never get to just watch normal TV. So did Fox News have a positive spin on the State of the Union address? I did not watch it. I remember for some reason it was stressing me out, whatever was going on. Because at least Fox has, they'll argue still, like the news used to be.

2:07:23They'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out. and CNN has that poor guy, that poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody. He's just going, you're lying. That stat doesn't exist. Scott Jennings? Yes. Yeah. That poor guy, he probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day. He's a fucking war hero out there. It's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. Everybody's mad at everybody else. It's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these shows on CNN now that are basically like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes for a commercial.

2:08:04It's really what it's like. I just don't remember it being that way where it's just so many panel opinion shows. I remember it was like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on. They would travel around the country or travel around the world and check out food. It was interesting. he would you know give you his perspective on the cultures and all the the problems and the things that these people are facing their food and what the community was like fucking great show they did a bunch of different shows that were different you know and then somewhere along the line man they just went all outrage yeah and i don't think that's going to get any different now i mean now it looks like barry weiss is going to be running that as well so she's running the cbs news and perhaps she's going to be running CNN or the same company is going to be running CNN.

2:08:56It's like, okay. Yeah. Good luck. Good luck. Because it's already, people already don't want to listen. They don't want to take it seriously. Yeah. They, you know, and that's why X has become the news. The reason why it's become the news is because they can't trust the news. Right. You know, totally. It's crazy. Like Tim Dillon had these two New York times reporters on this podcast and, uh, I listened to him talking about it. I hadn't listened to them on the podcast, But I listen to him talking about it and he was saying that they said there's no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence I was like what?

2:09:28What? There's no watch one Mike Benz episode of my podcast where he breaks it down It's almost impossible that he's not right like what the fuck are you like no evidence? No, that's not true There's just evidence that you're not considering So it's like if the New York Times and the people that we're always supposed to trust to be the objective purveyors of all that's going on in the world if they're Compromised so they're not allowed to say things or they have narratives that they could they're supposed to spin one way or another Or they're very cautious about being honest about their opinion very very shielded about their actual opinions Either either one of those is not good or if they actually believe that that's not good either Because that means you're not really paying attention objectively Effectively, like watch a Mike Benz episode where he breaks down Epstein's connections.

2:10:16It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's crazy that anybody could say that he wasn't intelligence. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But they will do anything to push their own story. They don't. Yeah, it's a propaganda network. Yeah. And whatever that propaganda is, I mean, that propaganda will shift depending upon who's in control of the realm of the reigns. rather the realm really is a realm realm of nonsense well whoever's in control they're going to be the ones that dictate how the narrative goes and it's always going to be whatever the sponsors are that's why you never hear anything about any of these studies that they're showing about the vaccine safety signals that they found very early on how they hit it all this Fauci stuff they're they're not showing any of that the Tulsi Gabbard speech we talked about that where you know she gave this speech explaining how he lied to Congress and Fauci pressured these other scientists Change their perspective on whether or not it was gain-of-function research and yeah The shit that we had a pretty big feeling about back in 2020.

2:11:20Yeah, you don't hear any of these people They're not covering it. Yeah, and they can't because they can't really tell you the whole news They can only tell you the news they're approved to tell you that's not good. And that's how X comes about. Yeah That's how X becomes the place where everybody trusts. But then you go to X and it's just filled with horseshit. There's so much lies. There's always video of something happening and they're saying, this is going on right now. And you're like, and then someone says, no, this is a video from 2022. This is in this part of the world. This is AI. This is China.

2:11:51This is not Israel. There's so much horseshit and there's so many bots. yeah it's like you just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned like i gotta get out of here yeah but then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention exactly you know i feel like so many people feel like they're doing the right thing watching the news and being informed and they hear that the news is fake and they think that's just like a trump talking point i've always said that trump calling it fake news was like one of the worst things that could happen because then And it sounds like a Trump thing. And the Trump enemies go, oh, fake news.

2:12:28Sure, it's fake. If he's saying it, then it can't be fake because we have to disagree with him. Meanwhile, it's a fucking, it's a goddamn production. I mean, it is fake. They're right. It's fake. Yeah. It's fake. A lot of the news is fake. It's not true. All that. I mean, the fact that no one got in trouble for all that Russiagate stuff. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. And that they still listen to the same people that were pushing that Russiagate shit or they're still giving opinions on TV. Right. It's nuts. Yeah. There's no repercussions to be found. They get to say whatever they want. It's crazy. Well, the repercussion is no one takes them seriously.

2:13:10And that's real. They've suffered that. I mean, we've seen that in real time. And I think the pandemic was the big that was the big wake up call for a lot of people, especially people that were forced to take the vaccine because they had jobs or you know they had a fly or they had family members and then they they got some horrible side effect and those people got what they call red-pilled you know i know a lot of people that got red-pilled from that they just can't take it anymore it's crazy and it's bubblish you know what i mean there's certain areas geographically in which that's the mentality and they stick to it i mean here in austin i'm known as you know uh a skinny little faggot i went to la and it turns out i'm a racist nazi like i'm like they were doing jokes on me at that roast in which it's like what are you guys talking about there's parts where i'm literally like what the i've never even heard this about myself.

2:14:12I'm on a comedy show every week where people take shots at me and I've, none of this is a thing. Well, it's made up and it's all, they also made up a bunch of stuff about like you going to Saudi Arabia, which is crazy. Right. Crazy. They just made it up. Yeah. Not only made it up, turned it down. Like didn't go when offered vast sums of money that the bus boy bag boy, Tony would never imagine turning down. And people don't even know that you turned it down. because you haven't been public about it. Right. I mentioned it. I glazed over it for one moment on Kill Tony once. But yes, it hasn't been a thing.

2:14:50The people that turned down that money are you and Shane Gillis. Yeah. And meanwhile, Netflix clipped that and pinned it on their Instagram, that joke. And with the caption, long sip, because I'm sipping my water because the joke isn't on me. So the camera shouldn't be on me. Meanwhile, they're getting my reaction shot to, oh, you guys took that Saudi Arabian money. and it makes it look like I'm offended or something or guilty of taking Saudi Arabian money. But just a joke when you just lie about a fact and to make a joke is crazy. Because you're just lying. There's a difference between that and making a joke about something.

2:15:29You had to make something true and then criticize them for something. So you had to lie about something and then criticize them about that lie that you just invented. Which takes three seconds to find out it wasn't true. Exactly. It takes a really quick search. Like, oh, he didn't go. Right. Okay. On the contrary, the guys that Chelsea was complimenting during that set, basically, Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson did take the money and went to Saudi Arabia. Also, you don't think Chelsea Handler would have taken that money if they offered her to go to Saudi Arabia? She went to dinner at Epstein's house.

2:16:03Exactly. What the fuck are we talking about? But it's all right because Woody Allen was there. Yeah. And apparently she gave him the what have you. She told him. That's what they said. She told him. She was very upset with him. Yeah. At the intelligence agent slash sexual predator's house. Guys who were arrested for statutory rape. That's fine, though. Crazy. Just, yeah, don't be a white guy. It's enough. It's just the whole thing is so stupid. Like if you want to make fun of someone for anything, for, you know, you looking gay or you like you're down with that. But when you invent a fact that's not true, you say it's not true.

2:16:45And then you criticize someone for that. Like that's stupid. That's a stupid way to do comedy. Yeah. You know? And the way that it's covered and everything. It's like, what are you guys doing? Well, if you didn't know and people didn't know, obviously, because they laughed. They thought maybe you did go or maybe Shane did go. They didn't know that you were the two people that did say no. You know, Jessica Kurson went and she got criticized so much she gave her money away. She gave the money away. I think she gave – what did she do with the money? Find out what she did. But I was like, oh, man.

2:17:18Listen, those people that went to see Jessica Kurson, first of all, I heard she murdered over there. She's very funny. She's a fucking dynamo. She's a killer on stage. Very, very entertaining, lovely lady. I love her to death. She's fun to talk to. she fucking murdered over there I heard so a lesbian woman from New York went to Saudi Arabia donates Riyadh comedy festival fee to human rights campaign well all that money is going to someone's payroll yeah it's going to a daycare center in Minneapolis yeah you feel better but meanwhile it's paying for someone's salary that's probably not fixing homelessness or whatever the fuck it is That's what they do.

2:18:01Tom Segura went and put a photo of a Ferrari and said, thanks, Saudi Arabia. Yeah. But everybody was very upset. But my my perspective is the people that are in that audience, if you're upset at the people that are paying and organizing. OK, the people that are in that audience, though, that they're performing to, they don't get a chance to see American stand up comedy and they're getting a chance to see it live. and stand-up comedy, like music, like literature, changes people's minds. It changes all art where you see someone, a different person than you with a totally different perspective that lives on another side of the world that says something that you think is hilarious and you love.

2:18:41It changes, you know, it changes people's perspectives. You win hearts and minds. I mean, that's real. Like you can change the world a little bit by getting people to say, hey, We kind of are – we all have a lot of shared interests. We just want to have fun. We just want to be with our friends, be with our family and do what we want to do. Like everybody wants that, including those people in the audience. Like those people in the audience in Saudi Arabia were just Saudi Arabian citizens. They're just a bunch of people that lived there that came out to see comedy. Like performing in front of them, I mean, what is wrong with that?

2:19:18It's wrong. you're supposed to boycott it because the people that run it probably were involved with the killing of Jamal Khashoggi in some way or the people that finance it okay maybe I see I see how you didn't want to do it and I see how Shane didn't want to do it and I probably probably wouldn't want to do it either but I don't have any problem with people doing it because I think at the end of the day you're just like I don't have any problem with Saudi Arabia putting on these boxing matches that I talked about I love that they put on these boxing matches and oddly enough that's not really criticized that much even by like heavy duty left-wing mma media which is a real thing um there's a lot of like shit shit libs that are mma media um just because they're journalists and they just happen to be fans but they have that like hardcore left-wing perspective they don't seem to have that much of a problem with it not like people had the problem with the comics over there where guys like louis and bill burr they just get destroyed for that yeah yeah It's nuts, but I think Segura had the right move.

2:20:20Just don't even pay attention fuck off I'm gonna perform wherever I want to perform You know yeah, no makes sense totally I just can't go straight from a Trump rally to Saudi Arabia a little bit of a hop a skip and a jump I Know it's also it's like, you know, is that what you want to do? I don't want to go there. It's too long Right, I want to be on a plane for 16 hours to go anywhere. Yeah Exactly. Why? I hate it. I hate flying. Yeah, fuck off. It's terrible. Come to Texas. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's just we live in a very polarized society, and I think a large part of that is what we were talking about earlier with social media and mentally ill people just screaming into the fucking void every day.

2:21:06I just would like to suggest to people just try not to engage like that for a month and see how much better you feel. Yeah. Just try it talk and make friends and hopefully that's not how you've set up your life where you have to do that for a living Hopefully you're not one of those people because there are people that are paid posters and they make a pretty good living just posting and getting engagement well You know I don't know what to tell you you're trapped right? You know if you're if your whole thing is like shitting on people all day long you're kind of trapped. Yeah, but you can't feel good there's no way no there's no way it's like the amount of cortisol that must be pumping through your body all day where you're going over and and i see like people that do that i see how they get destroyed in the replies and i'm like and i know they're reading that like good lord yeah like i don't know how gavin newsom is still alive every time he posts something the way he gets destroyed in those comments it's like god fucking insane well no one is happy it's just the funniest thing because it's he reminds me of like one of the last actual politicians like he's a different just lying ignoring of facts type of human being because we're witnessing it maybe it's easy for someone in, I don't know, New Hampshire to go, ah, that Gavin Newsom's the future.

2:22:33But we lived in California, and I've been to San Francisco recently, and we've seen it. Like when you travel, you know, comedians aren't the end-all, be-all, and these wise whatever sages, perhaps, but we do travel a lot, and you spend a weekend in a city, and you're not just doing your shows. You're having lunch somewhere you're having coffee somewhere you're dealing with the people at the hotel lot whatever it may be there's different communications and vibes and energies and there's so many of these places especially california you know san diego is like a last stand huntington beach is an area around there there's like these little pockets in which there's still some common sense and happiness enjoy Newport these little pockets but those major cities are fucked man even the drive and you know I go to LA basically maybe once a year now for a quick always fun visit always doing some arena and a couple nights at the store which is different unfortunately But the drive from LAX to that area of West Hollywood slash Beverly Hills is gruesome.

2:23:46Everything is for lease. Everything is empty. There's nothing new except for the crazy looking weird ass Obama Museum Library, which is the craziest, weirdest eyesore humanly imaginable. Where's that? It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Cienega or Fairfax. That's not the new one because the new one is in Chicago, isn't it? Oh, it is? What's the fucking – they built something that looks just like that monstrosity. No, the one in Chicago, people don't like it. I think it looks dope. It looks like something from Blade Runner. Yeah. I like it. A lot of people don't like it, but it costs a lot of money.

2:24:29It costs like$850 million. See if you can find out what that building looks like. Show me a photo of something that looks just like that building sports complex on In Los Angeles they made who did the Obama's yeah, okay What is the the one in Chicago? A lot of people were criticizing and I saw it ago that thing looks dope I love it like that thing. Where is it? Yeah, the one there where your cursor is click on that Oh, that's a rendering I don't think it's done yet. Oh, it's not done. Maybe I don't mean this like I thought people were in it I don't think so. What's it down there in the lower? I think they just showed this online and everyone was going crazy.

2:25:06I thought people were already going to it. I don't know that.

2:25:12I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. That looks fake as fuck. But that one down there, that one down there with the darkness in the corner, yeah, right there. Is that real?

2:25:27Ecyclopedia Britannica? I think that's a real photo. I think it's done. I might be wrong, but see if it oh You have Los Angeles Chicago Yeah, it's real so it's up, but I I think it looks cool. It's different

2:25:51People are saying it's ugly it looks like see if you can find photos of it go to images

2:25:59Yeah, there we go like there dude, I think that looks dope Really yeah, yeah windowless looking out also writing on the top. What does it say go all the way up, please? Oh

2:26:18Unconstrained convention by what is... It's written on two sides, so... Oh, right. Oh, it goes all the way around it. Oh, that's fucking cool. I think that looks cool. I mean, maybe I have no taste. I mean, we can't even find an angle of what they're trying to say there, so... Right. I don't know what it's saying, but I think it's cool that they did that, that they had words that go across like that. I just think it looks sick. But I like that kind of brutalist architecture. I think that's what they call it. Yeah, I like that kind of cool cement with big glass like There's a lot of houses like that especially like in the Hollywood Hills that I love I looked at one of them back when I was starting to make that cheddar And I was like maybe I should live in Hollywood and then I could just do the store right there, but I was like Probably not that safe.

2:27:11I looked at the house above of the store that Mitzi was selling. What was on Colfax? Was that what it was? Was that those street? It was the comic store, the comic house, where like Kinison stayed there and Pauly lived there for a while. But I had dogs and I was like, this is not enough backyard. It's too small. And also it's like, it's too close to the machine. It's like right next to the beast. Like, I don't know if I want to be like right next to the beast. I think I'd rather be outside the beast and go visit. Like that for me, for my head, but uh i looked at a couple of houses up there and one of them was this house that was like really it was out of my budget really i was just i shouldn't have been looking at it it's like 10 million bucks and it had crazy like like concrete with massive windows but it was right there on the street like you're walking on the street there's a sidewalk you could rean over and touch the front door of the house and i was like yeah this is kind of crazy to buy this house and the guy was like Don't worry.

2:28:11We have state-of-the-art security system. So I go yeah, you know what that is? I go your cameras are gonna catch a guy with a ski mask robbing you. Yeah And two weeks after I said that the guy in the house got shot in it. Whoa two weeks got shot in the neck fuck Yeah Damn yeah Yeah, so hey that's these places man, but the arc that kind of architecture I think it's dope. I like like that crazy modern cement stuff. But for a house, like what you're going to live in, the reality is you'd probably be like, I'm sleeping in a museum. This is too weird. Yeah. I'd rather just have a regular house. Yeah.

2:28:51Windows are a necessity. Yeah. I just want to see stuff. I just want to be able to have a cup of coffee and see some trees. You know, let me just sit down and fucking collect my thoughts for the day. You know, I don't necessarily need to be in a fucking museum. concrete ass big it's there's something weird about it it's like you're too weird if you live like that you're weird man you're living with this giant 20 foot high glass wall in front of you that looks out at the blade runner scape that is los angeles from the hills yeah have you seen that view at night have you ever been up to a house oh yeah have you seen this house oh that's sick i love that house it's known as like the oakley founder's house i don't know if he still owns it but yeah that's up there yeah that house i love see if i was single and a baller that's where i would live 210 million a bargain fucking love that shit i see shit like that i'm like oh my god that's where i love it but i don't want to live there for real yeah i think after a while you'd be like i'd rather have a log house i was trying to find pictures of kanye's concrete house but this is not the one I was looking for specifically.

2:30:02That's fucking dope. I just love those kind of houses that look like that. Like, especially that one, that circular one. The way you pull into that driveway, and the entire back house faces the lights, and you see the lights. Like, it's hard to see from photos of how, look how sick that looks, man. That's sick. I love that. But the lights from that, like, if you're up in the hills, you want to be above looking down, and it's like a movie. It's like a sci-fi movie. It's one of the coolest fucking views I've ever seen. Paulie has the fucking, as crazy as it sounds, that motherfucker, when he made it, he bought a house that's on top, top, top, top, top of the Hollywood Hills with that MTV money.

2:30:47Dude, it's crazy. He remodeled it recently when I was there for the festival. He's like, dude, you gotta come see the house. Come see the house. I'm like, Paulie, I'm so busy. That's very highly unlikely. Come see the house. Dude, you got to come to the house. Sure enough, I went there one afternoon for a fucking coffee. Bro, it is crazy. He was right. He's got the house. He did it. It's on top of everything. So if a robber does try to go up there, they're robbing someone else's house. They don't want to go to the tippy top of the fucking hill. That's a tough escape. That's the problem is the escape.

2:31:22You want to be close to the bottom. Right. so you can... Right. Speaking of which, I've been watching... I went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube where street racers and there's this one guy who is like a famous street racer because there's all these videos of him. He got his thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette. I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. I think I've seen this guy. Yeah, his name is really slow. like R-Y-L-S-L-O and he's got videos of these cop encounters. So he like baits cops and then goes on these mad runs and you watch it and you go, holy shit, man.

2:32:07Oh, I love it. Cards on the screen. Yes, this is the dude. Yeah, so... This is about him, not just one. Yeah, this is... Well, he's like a legend online because he does interviews only with a voice changer

2:32:24where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. But he puts a 3D camera on the back of his car. And, you know, they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car. And he gives you a 3D view of the automobile. And he has video of the cops, like, flashing their lights. And his car has got 1 ,000-plus horsepower. So these poor cops, and they're like 300-horsepower fucking Crown Victoria. They try to chase this guy he just disappears and then once he gets out of the line like Go back to that video where it was before watch this. I mean it's this is just edited. It's not his videos It's just so I understand but if you just I know this video but if you what what he does is they start pulling him over and In the beginning when they pull him over he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off Did you pass that here it is so so this is it so they hit the lights and he's like see ya Are they gonna show it?

2:33:21Yes, this is not the okay. It's just not the compilation So when he does it and he hits the gas he gets fought here It is he gets far enough away from them. They're not showing it These motherfuckers they have to edit their own shit leaving it alone is better So he gets ahead of everybody and then just he has a button where it kills his headlights and he's using night vision Yeah, it's nuts. So is this it? Yeah, yes, this is it So this is this guy. So his license plate says will run Like it's a fake it's a fake license plate the cops get up behind him. They hit the lights and he goes bye But and the cops realize there's no way to catch this guy.

2:34:03It's not look at that. Oh lights go out and he's gone And he's flashing lights on people to get them the fuck out of the way and there's no way to catch him And then he bangs u-turns. He knows where he's going He plots it out and the thing is he's filming this and uploading it. Oh, yeah So he's got to hide his identity through how many different channels? How does Instagram not know who he is? How is he posting? I guess he's using a VPN He's probably using a proxy and he's probably going through some other country or something if he's smart if he's smart enough to avoid detection but He just has these fucking crazy car bills like he's got a Calvo Viper that has like Like, I mean, I don't know how many fucking horsepower that thing has.

2:34:48But they make some of these Colvo Vipers. It's a company here in Texas. They make Vipers that have 2 ,000 horsepower. Damn. What? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Does anybody know where? Does he always do it in the same city? I think he's in the Dallas area. How fun. Well, yeah, well, not good if you kill somebody. But it's very spooky. Yeah. Yeah It's nuts man Because this fucking dude Really knows how to drive too And you see these poor cops And one of them The cops wipe out They slam into another car Oh shit They're trying to Pass by these cones And the road cuts off And the cop hits the cones Then loses control of his car And slams into another car So like People can fucking die Especially If he runs a red light And he runs a lot of them And someone's being an idiot Maybe someone's doing Exactly what he's doing while he's running the red light dude you have to see what kanye is doing right now it's a it's a historical moment in all of art it's unbelievable yeah you said that he's standing on the globe right well not only that he the entire everything is a super production and it's all him like you could tell he's made every decision and tweaked everything to the to the color of everything to when it happens to how it happens that it's not too much he's not overwhelming the senses with lasers and lights and all of this it's all so strategic but most importantly it's first of all it's the fucking greatest production I've ever seen of anything and I come from Pink Floyd land where the live show has to be ahead of its time and state of the art and everything for my mind to be blown and I was expecting this to be like every other rap concert that I've seen which is going to be fun and good and maybe great of course it'll be great but this was like a thousand times my expectations because first of all he's doing pop-up shows at stadiums which is crazy he announces it a week or two in advance and the stadium's like okay we're sitting empty that night we'd love to sell beer and water and get a percentage of merch right how these venues work they don't give a fuck and he's not promoting it everyone else that's been to one or seen one is promoting it and then the mayor of whatever city or whatever leftist person whether it be the governor of that state or whatever is like this shouldn't be happening so they're promoting it for him and it's filled to the top of the fucking stadium whereas even pink floyd or the rolling stones or whoever announces a tour all at once and goes hey buy tickets i'm on tour pretty please come right he's just like san antonio july 4th boom a week ago literally and what's crazy is that my buddy got me tickets to go see him in Tampa because as all we knew is that he was going to Tampa.

2:37:40And so there I, there I was and I'm looking and it's filled to the top and the floor is filled and it's, he doesn't stop. He doesn't take a break. There it is. I saw that on Instagram after his first one that he did. I think it was in LA and I'm like, Oh, that's crazy. I need to see this that is nuts that stage is nuts but these pictures and videos do not do any justice to what is happening sound wise energy wise just that stage alone is fucking insane it's crazy and he enters at the he walks through the crowd because obviously it's in the round he comes out and you hear a pop from one side because they can kind of see him and then the globe turns on and you know, he waits until it's dark.

2:38:27So he is, he enters at one point and then inside is a, a, a, a lift that only takes him. So like, there's no one that can storm that stage or anything because it's inflatable on the outside. So it's an impossible, impossible to, you know, storm the stage or anything like that. And he's the only one that has access to the lift, obviously. And he has a tether that he's attached to so that he doesn't go off or anything so doesn't fall into the balloon exactly and it is the most diabolical show i've ever seen in my entire life ever and that includes all the fucking everything's and again i come from the school of pink floyd which is always 10 20 years ahead of its time production wise and this was fucking nuts because he does not stop he does not take a break he doesn't go thank you guys for coming out until the very end in which he goes it's all about love i love you guys thanks for sticking with me all these years when all these people said this and then by that point two and a half hours in when he's saying that you're just like you got to be fucking kidding me well we realized the bulk of his work how many bangers that guy has oh it's nuts bangers and i as an experiment took my one buddy who said that you know part of the group was my one friend who has always been like I don't know you fucking love Kanye I mean not really my thing but he's not he's just not really a rap fan is the reality so I invited him on this trip and his mind was fucking now he's a diehard Kanye fan now he's going back and you know realizing that he's always been a Kanye fan like it's such a crazy fucking thing because not only does he have hits on hits on hits but he does not stop in between songs because some of his beats kind of correlate or this and that he'll literally just keep going and going and going until his amazing on his new album he has this keyboardist with one of those like crazy blow into tube instrument things i don't know what it's called but he has a solo a big one on one of the songs, which is gives Kanye a minute and a half to catch his breath, an hour and a half into non-stop going.

2:40:50And also on top of all that, you know, a rap concert's a rap concert, but Kanye's the greatest producer of all time in that industry. So every noise that's happening, even if he's not talking or, or singing or rapping into a microphone is all him and him only you know what I mean like he might get an idea or an inspiration as we talked about or he's a master of sampling um old hit songs and having them be in the backbone of the thing and everything but this is it's just a whole nother level absolute insanity like I thought I was gonna go there and be like yeah and maybe you know move a little bit or sing along or whatever and instead my jaw was dropped the entire time is there anybody that ever bounced back from being canceled like him and that's really the underlying thing there's this feeling of loyalty that's there and we're right you know what i mean there's a feeling that everybody there is like they're correct does that make sense yeah i saw a breakdown of it because my algorithm's feeding me kanye stuff non-stop since i went to it because somehow fucking instagram knows and whatever and i watched a breakdown of it talking about how like it's like this psychiatrist or energy specialist or something that's talking about how and why this is the craziest concert ever done before and she breaks it down and goes people that like kanye believe in themselves because if kanye saying i'm the greatest i'm the man i'm a god all of these things makes you not like him and you insecure you're insecure does that make sense like it's like he if that turns you off to somebody then you don't really like yourself that much why do you think that well again this was someone else's psychological breakdown of it and i'm probably not explaining it correct because i was stoned on a couch i see how what they would be saying to try to defend him But there's some people that just get turned off by that kind of braggadocious rap music.

2:43:00I don't. Right. I love that shit. Well. I love 90s hip hop talking about how great they are. I love it. Yeah. I'm a giant fan of that shit. Yeah. You know, I think like some of my favorite rap lyrics, like some of Nas's lyrics, just him talking about how he's the shit. Yeah, totally. I don't mind it at all. But it's like, it's when you're singing along to that stuff and you're listening to that stuff, like you're feeling what that guy's feeling when he's saying it. And if his raps are hit, if his rhymes are really hitting, especially like Kanye or any of the greats, you know, Biggie, Tupac, Nas, like when they're nailed, it's like, ooh.

2:43:40Oh my God. Ooh. Ooh. With good lyrics and good execution. It's a fucking amazing art form, even if USA really did create it. Yeah. I don't I don't want to believe that You know, I think they probably very they promoted it. What's really interesting is the lack of big rock and roll bands I know Jamie's kind of defended this but I think it's a fact Oh, no, no doubt this less big rock and roll bands when we were a kid when we were a kid rock and roll was Everything it was like rock and roll and if you like rock and rap like you are a weirdo, you know Like I really became a rap fan like almost like silently, like secretly.

2:44:24Because you had to be a rock fan. If you loved rock music and you went to rock concerts, like that's all you liked. But I was like, yeah, but this is good too. Oh, yeah. I'd like listen to Ghetto Boys. I'd be like, you got to listen to this. Come listen to this. Shit is awesome. Yeah. Oh, my range is absolutely ridiculous. Well, our green room. I just got Roy Orbison on vinyl. Oh, yeah. Pretty woman. Oh, my God. And again, that's one. We're going to be in trouble for that? Probably. Fuck! Fuck! And again, Pretty Woman, much like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, is like one of my, when you get into their radio stuff, it's kind of funny how some bands and musicians get like typecasted by their hit.

2:45:07Whereas like Pretty Woman's kind of repetitive and easy, even though it's a jam, right? But his other songs that like I hadn't even heard before, because I'm like, this guy seems like he has some fucking some hits and he does man and uh you know i what i mean by the pink floyd thing is it always fascinated me that people go oh yeah i like pink floyd wish you were here another brick on the wall and it's like damn it it's because those are the radio songs because they can't play an 11 minute long shine on you crazy diamond right all their real hits that their real echoes which is like 17 minutes and goes slow and fast and in bluesy and then jazzy and this and that um yeah there were so many songs like that especially from like the 70s where they just took wild chances and had long ass songs like for famously free bird like record executives are telling them like the beginning of it is too slow yep and they're like nope this is the song exactly this is what it is bohemian rhapsody yep there's another one yeah whole lot of love yeah whole lot of love has a minute and a half of fuck sounds and symbols and shit it's weird i only recently got to see the uh the queen movie whatever that is is that bohemian rhapsody i believe so whatever they call it i haven't seen it yeah well i walked in on a part where it's the rec they're at the record executive's office and he's going this can't be the main single off of this thing and and freddie mercury's like dude it fucking has and i'm obviously not right quoting this but uh and the record exec's like man you're saying gibberish at points it's slow with a piano you're saying things that don't even make sense and it's fucking eight minutes long like what are you thinking and they're arguing back and forth and back and forth and his bass player guitarist or one of the guys that's in the meeting with this record exec sitting behind a big fancy desk points at the wall and goes so you were the record exec that made this huh and he points at dark side of the moon and you see the record exec go oh fuck because what the fuck was that it starts with a heartbeat has no words for the first what however long.

2:47:27Also, what is the deal with it aligning with the Wizard of Oz? Crazy. Roger says it's just coincidental. I know. But it seems like the universe organized it. Yeah. It almost seems like evidence of the simulation. Yep. Because it's so good. The way it lines up, it's too good. I've always said it's the craziest coincidence of all times. I feel like it's evidence of the simulation. There's something about it. There's evidence of some weird, bizarre synchronicity between those two pieces of art. Yeah, producing that would have been near impossible. Impossible. Not like you couldn't, but just the amount of planning and figuring things out.

2:48:04Yeah. Technology then would have been so hard to do. Yeah, so hard. Pink Floyd would have had to, they would have literally have to watch it and then go over each beat and decide. How high was the person that figured it out to? Right. Right. It's got disgust, but like, how do you notice that? Hold on. It's still going. Right. 45 minutes. Right. But meanwhile, it's perfect. Like we've watched it before. Yeah. It's perfect. The lyrics are the scariest part. God. Which one is which at one point when only when the only moment when both the good witch and the bad witch are there. Yeah, it's nuts. And the wildest one to me is always when she's balancing on the thing, you know, in black and white and with the other farmers around.

2:48:49and on the run that crazy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, starts and she falls off at that exact moment and chaos is happening. It's crazy. Is there a why in that conspiracy? You know, like why would they have done that? Just to do it? Just for funsies. Because they were Pink Floyd. Yeah. Well, I mean, Roger Waters says it was an accident. I know, I'm just saying like... I know, I know. But the conspiracy theorists, I don't know. I mean, I would imagine they think that... The people that believed that it was some sort of a coordinated conspiracy, it's like, why wouldn't they say that?

2:49:24Why wouldn't they just say we lined it up with the Wizard of Oz? Yeah, if they said that, it would make more people watch it and more people listen. Well, they did pretty good off of it. Yeah, they did pretty good. Who were we to give them advice? Yeah. Speaking of doing pretty good, you're fucking killing it, dude. Congratulations. Thank you, buddy. It's awesome watching it all. Thank you, man. You're taking all the hits. You keep on moving, keep on trucking. just makes it stronger on to the next one makes the jokes better new jokes are killing it yeah yeah it's fun we're having a good time yeah Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the best working them out at the mothership yes sir alright I appreciate you brother thank you man hell yeah bye everybody