#2524 - Rupert Lowe

30:00despite the fact that the British state through Prevent was aware of this. And we've had a similar case recently with Henry Novak where, again, it was actually, I think, on this occasion a Sikh, stabbed him. And the police, despite the fact when they arrived at the scene, he told them he'd been stabbed. The police didn't believe him, and they tried to handcuff him. And as a result of that, it's arguable that they opened up the wound, the stab wound, and he drowned in his own blood. Meanwhile, his murderer was never handcuffed. So this is where the British state's gone completely wrong. So instead of one law for everybody and one policing for everybody, this sort of view that the white population is racist, which I don't personally believe them to be, I think Britain is a very tolerant country.

30:56Do you think that this perspective that society sort of adopted in the UK about white people being bad, do you think this was...there was architecture to it? This was by design? That this was done? Or is this just a natural response to people being called racist? Because of course in the past there was more racism than there is today and people always want to point to that racism as evidence of colonialism, evidence of whatever it is that happened in days past. But why in England do you think that narrative took hold so well? But because I think, Joe, to your point, that this post-war plan for multiculturalism, I think they realized that - So it was by design.

31:44They've got a problem. So part of it was probably infiltrating the universities and promoting these kind of ideas. It's almost as if with the World Economic Forum there's this view that the Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded and dominated too much of the world's resources. And there's almost like this misguided altruistic view that we should become more concerned with global welfare rather than the welfare of our own citizens, which I totally disagree with. There's also the, you will own nothing and you will be happy. This is your Klaus Schwab palpable nonsense. Which is hilarious if someone would even say that out loud.

32:25I know. You own nothing and you'll be happy? I know. Like, is this a part of an Orwell book? Because this doesn't seem like a real person would say something like that. Because who the fuck is going to listen to that? It doesn't make any sense. Well, George Orwell has been rather accurate in terms of his predictions. He's dead on. He was actually pretty optimistic. Like his version of the world was a little bit more palatable than what we're dealing with right now. Interesting man, Old Etonian, fought in the Spanish Civil War. I mean he was a very quirky Englishman who clearly had a hugely prescient foresight.

33:01And I think probably like – certainly like me, he had a healthy disrespect for what I call collectivist statism. And he was very much an individual and a believer in the individual. It's really interesting because when I first read that book was in high school. And I kept thinking, like, what a crazy – this had never happened. This is not even possible. But what a crazy world this guy has created in his imagination of things going completely haywire. And then you realize as time goes on, oh, that's totally possible. It's totally possible that things can get that ridiculous. I mean when you're dealing with, you know, male, biologically male athletes that compete against women because they identify as a woman and use women's locker rooms.

33:45All the craziness that we deal with today, the open border situation, no one's illegal on stolen land. Hey, fuck off. Like what are we doing? Like what is this? Well, it's almost as if we're subverting all the things that made us great. Yeah. And, you know, there's nothing wrong with immigration. But there's it's probably a good idea to make sure no someone's on a fucking murder before you let them in like the idea that there should be no border at all. It's like if the world was perfect, that sounds wonderful. If the world was perfect, everybody paid their taxes and everybody followed the laws.

34:20Why have borders? Clearly, it's not perfect. You know, go to go to Pakistan, go to Karachi, go go hang out, go go down the street as a woman in a miniskirt and see how that works out. Go to some places in the world. Again, Joe, this is – you're quite right. This is – I mean Pakistan is I think the example of a rogue state basically. And I think their view of, as you say, women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, i.e. totally covered. Yes. And again, it's all in various of the Hadiths, which we quote in the rape gang report. They are considered to be meat. And this is something I've never understood.

35:04How do you square this circle of this sort of clannish, backward-looking culture which comes to a highly open, high-trust society and then embeds itself within that society and undermines everything that we've achieved over a thousand years? And acknowledging that is somehow or another racist. Acknowledging that some cultures are superior is somehow or another racist. But just by just understanding human rights, understanding the rights of individuals to be free, to not be subjected to other people's archaic laws. And this is – look, a lot of cultures in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago.

35:44No one in the United States wants to live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one. And this is not a racist thing. You should be able to come over here and practice whatever religion you want. But if your religion has rules that violate the laws that we've all agree are just and fair, then you're not integrating. And if you take over a whole town and now that town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. And if you let that problem get bigger and bigger, they take over the country. And that's an actual possibility for certain countries. And we have to recognize that civilization is not as sturdy as we like to think it is.

36:27It's kind of flimsy in a lot of ways. A few bad things can happen and things can go sideways quite quickly. Well, I think liberty is very fragile, isn't it? Ultimately, if you don't protect liberty, you lose it. It was Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on this. And you have to have laws to protect liberty. But what you also have to have is everyone should be equal under the law. Yes. And to your point, I couldn't agree more. I mean Britain used to be a very tolerant society. So for instance, Europe was very anti-Semitic. Britain was never anti-Semitic. We used to welcome a lot of Jews and Protestants from Europe who were being persecuted, particularly in France with the Protestants.

37:05So we were a very tolerant society. But the people who came integrated and they contributed. And that is the essence, I think, of sensible immigration. So it should be limited, targeted, and it should be only people who accept your religion and your culture and your laws. But what do you do, though, if someone comes over here and then they're not violating laws? They're not violating any laws. They achieve citizenship. But then they start bringing over more and more people and then start instituting Sharia law. What do you do? Do you deport them all? Like this idea of having all these people recognizing how many people got in illegally, deporting them, mass deportations, deporting criminals, it all sounds great until you talk about actually implementing it.

37:52Like how do you do that? How are you doing that? Are you going to knock on people's doors and pull them out of their homes and ship them back to where they came from? How do you do that? I think the first thing you do is you stop them coming across the channel. They shouldn't be coming anywhere under international law because they're traveling across safe countries. So they shouldn't be coming. What's the estimate of the amount of illegal immigration that you have in Britain? It's almost impossible to say how many people are living there illegally or living with us illegally. But in our paper, I mean, we think it's sort of 1.8 to 2 million people probably.

38:25That's our estimate. But people arriving, we know how many are arriving. There's a lot arriving every day, particularly when the sea is calm. How many arrive every day? They're coming. It can vary. I mean, you can get a thousand in a day. You can get if the sea's rough, you get you get none because obviously they suffer if they try and cross in little overcrowded dinghies that they can't get across. But we're paying the French over half a billion pounds a year to try and stop it. That, I think, is is not happening. and as a result of that, our border patrol picks them up, gives them bottles of water, brings them in and settles them in hotels and pays them welfare.

39:07They become and then they apply for residency and they say they're asylum seekers. I argue most of them are economic migrants. But, you know, our woke culture is not protecting the interests of the British people. And it's also a massive incentive. If you live in a terribly poor country and you can just get to England and then instantaneously you will get money and housing. That's right. Why would you not do that? Well, not only that. You go to the top of the waiting list for dental treatment, which British people don't get. The NHS go to the top of the waiting list. Wait a minute. They get access to dental treatment that the British people don't get?

39:47Why? Why do immigrants get access to it? This, Joe, is the mystery of what our leaders, I don't know what they think they're doing, but they have this misguided view that these people are actually, they call them asylum seekers. They say they need to be looked after and protected. They're not. They're economic migrants. And to your point, if they know there's welfare when they reach Britain, they'll travel across multiple safe countries to get to the welfare, the free housing. Yeah, of course. And all the other stuff. So and then unless you deal with issues like the rape gangs and you force them to adhere to UK law and respect our laws, our culture and our religion, they gradually set up their own cultures and their own laws, as I said.

40:36And there are large tracts of the country now where we've got these Islamic settlements, which effectively operate almost as a sort of parallel society. I don't know whether it's quite the same here, whether you've got the similar thing with the Somalis in Minnesota. You do in Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn, Michigan just had a gigantic Islamic parade where you just see tens of thousands of people holding flags and walking on the street. And it's kind of crazy. It's crazy. And they've also – one of the things that's funny about Dearborn is all the progressives, it's a very liberal place. They're like, welcome, welcome.

41:15Everyone's welcome from all cultures. and as soon as they got into power, they banned the pride flag. That was the first thing they did. Well, I'm afraid they have quite strong views on that sort of thing. Oh, yeah, that's why, yeah, Queers for Palestine is always hilarious. And then you see the meme Palestine for Queers and it's throwing people off roofs. Well, it's like the chap who runs our Green Party is a gay Jew. So, I mean, he, you know, again, he's going to have a problem if these guys get anywhere near power. But that doesn't seem to put the progressives off. They still seem to be. But this is what's crazy is that their society is complete, like Islamic society, is completely patriarchal.

41:59The women are absolutely second class citizens. They have completely different laws for how the women can dress. What happens to the woman if someone has sex with if someone has first of all if they commit adultery they could be killed Stoned stone today to death. Yeah, and I want it's always a horrible video where a father did it to his daughter Yes, we you you you do get these killings honor killing on a case Yeah, yeah, or brothers the brother will kill the daughter of the daughter shame the family It's like hey guys How are you progressive when you're supporting this? And it's because the concept of not being racist, not being called racist, the fear of that is so strong.

42:41They're willing to adopt all sorts of things that are the complete antithesis of everything they believe in. Well, in the UK, I don't know if you have it here, but the Me Too movement, it fascinates me that they never seem to say anything about these what I call clannish tribal cultures who have a completely different view of women. And to your point, you know, again, in our report, a woman, if she accuses in Pakistan a man of rape, she has to have four male witnesses who actually have to witness and swear that they've seen her being penetrated by the rapist. And you've actually got women in prison because if she can't prove that she's been raped under those rules, then she can be sent to prison.

43:32And there are many women languishing in Pakistani prisons for that very reason. And this is the sort of extraordinary cultural oil and water which just doesn't mix. It's also the mental gymnastics that you have to have to accept that as a part of Britain because you're progressive. really crazy. It just shows how these ideologies, these cult-like ideologies can completely defy logic, completely defy common sense and just you have a set of rules that you're supposed to adhere to. If you deviate from those rules, you're a racist. You don't want to be a racist, right? Then everyone's welcome. As you say, it's honor killings, it's tribal.

44:16Yeah. Your first loyalty is to your tribe and your family, not to your host country who's actually got their own laws. There are all sorts of Hadith rulings which they can use to justify it. I mean, for instance, if they rape a white girl, that doesn't count in their view of life as adultery. so they are effectively taught that a girl who doesn't dress as they would dress is is meat to be abused and and they have these they have these uh extraordinary sort of cultural views you see completely incompatible in my view with with a with a society like ours where you know we are a matriarchal society which respects women i think we have grown to respect women obviously they had And they've now got an omnipotent position within our society, certainly in the UK.

45:16I'm sure it's true here too and quite right. They play a part in our society. They're a very, very important part of everything. But again, under the Islamic code, I think that the Muslims are frightened of female sexuality. It's all there. And as you know, you get FGM, female genital mutilation. So these cultures, I think, Joe, and to your point, are just incompatible unless you have a very strong government which basically protects its electorate from any subversive behavior which is not compatible with our values. You keep using the term meat. Is that how they actually refer to it as? That's how they consider it.

46:05What do they say? Like how are they – Well, that's – it's in our report. That's – there was actually I think it was – I think it was – Is it a translation? I think Thomas Jefferson actually, it's in our report, asked the Barbary pirates about the way in which they treated their slaves and their women. That was particularly – they just – also slavery is accepted within Islamic countries. So I think they have their own codes. They have their own terms of reference. And there is a quote in there. I'd have to look at the report to give it to you. But where one of them does liken white girls not dressing as Muslim girls dress, and he does liken it to meat.

46:53Jesus. And, you know, that is an analogy he used. So, I mean, yeah, I think that's what they think. So this rape gang inquiry report that you have just released, the number – I want you to say it because it sounds so crazy. If I say it, people – it's going to sound wrong. The number of people that were victims, the estimate. Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of a million rapes have taken place. It's probably much, much more, Joe. Much, much more. Because we published in here, I think it's a list of 147 parts of the UK where this is happening. Now, the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, Oldham, one or two Bradford, one or two centres.

47:40And that's why their statutory inquiry, the terms of reference of that have now been downgraded. So they make it look as if it's not a systemic problem, but just a little local problem, which it isn't. so we've we've listed here and they're all in here the places where we know it's happening from our rape gang inquiry but every time we publish this joe i i get people emailing us or sending us messages on social media to say what about red ruth in cornwall what about it's happening here it's happening here it's happening here so i i think it's incredibly widespread and and there's you know other people who've corroborated that quarter of a million figure.

48:19That's an incredibly conservative figure. You can't be exact because the state is not collecting the data, which it should be doing. And we've been lobbying in parliament to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves. And then we can actually see the extent of the problem and you can actually pinpoint it in the same way that we've done it in this report. So this is, I think it's linked to organized crime. I think it's linked to the drug trade. I'm pretty sure it's linked to the drug trade. And obviously it's linked to prostitution. So as usual, with an evil like this, and you've got girls who are transported around in the back of pickups and in cages.

49:06And at our rape gang inquiry, we had examples of girls who were raped by dogs and filmed, either anally raped or vaginally raped. and literally watched, filmed, and a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know, there's other stories in here about women having to lick the feet of their rapists. It's about power, it's about servitude, and it's about the fact that Muslim men are taught to believe that they are superior, Not only to women, but they're superior to people like yourself and myself who are considered to be, if you like, the infidels. And their job is to effectively spread Islam and effectively punish the infidel.

50:04And as you probably know, in the Crusades, if you lost to Saladin and you were a Knights Templar, a Crusader, you had two choices. You either converted to Islam or they killed you. And in the case of a lot of these girls, a lot of them were made pregnant. They were impregnated and they then had to convert to Islam. Some of them were trafficked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, other parts of the world. So look, I mean, this is a massive national scandal. And I'm hoping, now I'm an MP, we've written this report. And this should stimulate debate. We sent a copy of this on a PDF to every MP. And we're going to send this printed copy to all of them as well.

50:53Because everybody in power should look at this and they should start to correct it immediately. You use the term, the term is used, rape gang. Why are you saying gang? And this is an organized practice? Yes, yes. It's not as simple as Islamic men are raping poor white girls. It's that they go out in gangs specifically for this purpose. These are properly organized gangs who are grooming and abusing young girls as young as 10 or 11 and then literally trafficking them around the country. We know that from the testimonies we've had. So originally when I went into parliament, I was elected late. So I was elected in July 24 at the tender age of 67.

51:44So I so I I we heard them being referred to as Asian grooming gangs, which I think is a misnomer because it's unfair on, for instance, the Japanese or other other other Asian cultures who don't do this. So when we thanks to Elon Musk, we actually did. And as you're quite right, thanks to him giving us a free speech platform. And Facebook's thankfully followed as well. So he's led the charge through his purchase of what was Twitter. So when I got into, I gave a speech in Parliament where I didn't, I said, they're not Asian grooming gangs. I'm going to call them what they are. They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.

52:28So I said this in Parliament. So Jamie will be able to drag it up if he goes on to the, you know, because everything goes into Hansard. And I gave this speech and it caused shock in the House of Commons. Now, I'm not the smartest kid on the block, but what I do in Parliament is I tell the truth. So, you know, I'm only interested in telling the truth and getting to the truth and changing the way in which we govern. That's what I've gone into Parliament for. You know, I haven't gone into this. I give my parliamentary salary to charity. You know, I'm a reasonably successful person who's lived his life.

53:03I've been chairman of a football club. I don't know if you're interested in Premier League football, but I was chairman of Southampton. So I built the stadium for Southampton. I used to play competitive hockey and I built up the youth academy at Southampton I loved the best day of my life was when we got to the cup final in 2003 we lost 1-0 to Arsenal but it was the most amazing experience for everybody so look I'm not doing this because I want necessarily to be doing it I'm doing it because somebody's got to do it and if we're going to change Britain we've got to get the public to buy into what we're doing and as I say I'm not a classic politician.

53:40I'm not saying you've got to vote for me. I'm saying that we've got to change Britain by 29, or I think the country, from what I can see, is in terminal decline. So I sit on the Public Accounts Committee. I see the waste. I see the unaccountability. I see the way in which the civil service does not serve the people which it's supposed to serve. I see our debt rising to nearly 100 % of GDP. I see massive misallocation of procurement on our weapons. I see fraud in the judiciary. I see all the things that - Sounds like you're talking about America. Well, I'm talking about Britain. A moment, Joe. It seems like it's a widespread problem.

54:21Well, I actually think America under Joe Biden probably was as bad as that. And if you look at what Elon and the boys uncovered with USAID and all of the misallocation of taxpayer funds all over the world. A lot of it to England. Some of it came to woke causes in England. So look, whoever the architects of this are, whether it's the World Economic Forum, whoever they are, whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether it's the Council on Foreign Relations, whether it's whatever malign influence is trying to do this, we have to collectively try and reverse it. So I'm saying to people, if you want, I will do my damnedest to reverse I've run multiple businesses.

55:04I was in the city of London for 20 years, so I know about finance. And I will commit to doing whatever I can to reverse this for the British people. But they've got to buy into it, Joe. They've got to buy into it. Are there people that are in denial that this is happening, that this rape gang problem is real? Oh, without a shadow of a doubt. And what do they say? Well, Labour just tries to look the other way. But when confronted, when confronted by the numbers, what is their response? Well, we've been demanding a statutory inquiry. And in the end, we crowdfunded this. Right. What is their response to that?

55:39Well, their response to this has been pretty muted, to be frank. I mean, the BBC haven't covered it at all. Really? A national monopolistic broadcaster paid for by a compulsory fee have not covered this as a matter of public interest. nor of Sky nor properly of the Daily Telegraph GB News have covered a tiny Patrick Christie's covered one evening of it now this is a massive national scandal that deserves a complete and utter airing how does the BBC justify not discussing this? well the BBC is part of our problem Joe so to your point about you know the Democrats The BBC is a deeply malign organization.

56:25So it was set up to inform, educate and entertain. And it was set up by a man called Reith. And Reith was a highly principled man. And I think at the time it was set up in the 20s, it probably did have a role. But in the digital age where most of the young people no longer watch their news on the BBC, they get their news from whatever their favorite news channel is, whether it's Breitbart, whoever they go and get it from, they get it from somewhere else. But if you want to watch sport or you want to, you know, basically have your TV, you have to pay the TV license. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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57:49You don't have to say yes to everything this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10 % off at BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. That's BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. There's still a problem that I'm sure exists in England just as it exists in America. There's a certain subset of our society, a large percentage of our society, particularly older people, that things are not legitimate unless they're discussed in corporate media. And that if it's not in The New York Times, if it's not CNN, if it's not fill in the blank, then it can't be completely legitimate. It has to be a fringe thing. It has to be a conspiracy thing.

58:30They still need these sort of legacy establishments to give them the news because that has been the way they grew up. That has been how they were trained. And in their mind, they don't understand the Internet completely. They don't go on Twitter. And so all that stuff to them is just it's just too fringe. So that's always going to be a problem. And if someone like the BBC doesn't cover this stuff, it for a lot of people that are woefully ignorant, they can still kind of claim that ignorance and dismiss it because the BBC isn't covering it. That's exactly right. I mean, that's a very good summary because the BBC historically was totally trusted.

59:14And their news bulletins were designed, as I say, to be impartial completely. And being a public sector broadcaster, their job was to cover matters like this and create debate. But as we know, monopolies go bad. I mean, monopolies, in my view, are generally a bad thing, particularly in the digital age where, you know, thanks to Elon Musk and what he did with X, I think he has released free speech. I think he has returned some sort of semblance of people's ability to be able to force debate without being bullied by a monopoly like the BBC. So if I ever get near power, I will responsibly defund the BBC as one of the first things I do.

1:00:02I think the BBC is dripping poison into the veins of Britain every day. What other examples of what the BBC is doing do you think is dripping poison? Well, I think a lot of their coverage is not objective. It's woke. I mean, they're into all this DEI. They're into, obviously, the LGBTQ+. They're into all of the things which I think, as we said earlier, probably came from this Democrat period. But it's been happening for a long time. I think if you look at the Labour Party, again, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Fabian Society. No. So the Fabian Society was set up in the 1880s. And it was basically most of the Labour frontbench and most of the Labour Party are members of the Fabian Society.

1:00:52So the Fabian Society, George Bernard Shaw was a member of the Fabian Society. You'll have heard of George Bernard Shaw. So it's the most extraordinary organisation. that their emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing. As if that doesn't tell you what they're doing. That's their emblem? Can I see what that looks like? That's their emblem. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Fabian Society? The Fabian Society. I need to see that. You should have a look at that. I might have to get a T-shirt. And should I tell you what else they were? I need a T-shirt. Should I tell you what else they were? They were eugenicists originally.

1:01:23Whoa. Yes. When? How far back? George Bernard Shaw. Look at that. That is damn crazy. Well, everyone should look at the Fabian Society because that runs deep through the veins of labor. That is damn crazy. What do you think of that? That is damn crazy. So, ladies and gentlemen, if you're just listening to this, this Fabian Society coat of arms is really a black wolf that has a sheep's body strapped on top of its back. And it's like covering its body. This is insane. That's crazy. What a complete disdain for anybody else's intelligence. Like, they're not even trying to hide it. They're just like...

1:02:08They're all members. The front bench are all members of the Fabian Society. That coat of arms is... Keir Starmer is also a member of... I need a t-shirt, Jamie. Please order it. You want to hold anything? You want a Fabian Society t-shirt? Yeah, just for a goof. I think it would be hilarious. But no, so that runs through the Labour Party. So that's all part of it. So I think the agenda has been, to your point, they've infiltrated our education system. And I'm proud of our history. I mean, Britain stopped the slave trade. It cost us a fortune. We did it almost unilaterally. and we, I think, on the whole, have been a force for good in the world, not bad.

1:02:49I'm proud to say that. I've studied a lot of history. I think there are many other cultures, probably the Belgians and the French, who are far more brutal than us with their colonies. So I think we've tended to leave a legacy where we've tried to instill the rule of law, look at India, look at a lot of the other countries that we were involved with. they're now flourishing because of the, I think, the structures that we left in place. And it's very sad to watch us almost turning in on ourselves and having left the legacy in other countries. We ourselves have lost sight of what we should be doing.

1:03:28It's really extraordinary seeing the perspective of a lot of young people that are very impressionable that come out of universities and have an utter, complete disdain for these successful societies. And instead of looking at these successful societies and saying, well, yeah, people were really terrible in the past, but this is a pretty good example of how people should be treated equally today. No, it's not perfect, but it's progressing in a better direction than it was in the past, Instead, they look to the past and everything is built on this horrible history of outrageous, atrocious acts and therefore it must be punished currently.

1:04:08And all the people that benefited from it, specifically white people, need to be cast out. They need to be silenced. Multiculturalism is the only way to go. Complete open borders. The way they look at things is like, how do you think these countries got so good? Like what do you think is about America or about England, about any of these countries that leads them to be where they are today? Well, it's a long history of progress, a long history. And along the way, yeah, like especially when you go back hundreds of years ago, people were fucking terrible. They were terrible everywhere. You know, humans are just getting better at being people like pretty recently.

1:04:50But to throw it all out and abandon it and to think that socialism is going to fix you. Like, do you guys read anything? There's not a single example of that not turning to tyranny. And their take on it is always it hasn't been done correctly. And that is so wild that people are still willing to swallow that. And the only thing that makes sense is they've been indoctrinated through universities to think this way. because nowhere in the real world do you think that a quality of outcome ever makes any sense because everybody realizes somewhere along the line when you get your first job when you're a kid when you're going through school when you're playing sports there's not a quality of effort there's never a quality of effort and there's always some people that want to put in more effort and they're putting more thought and more focus and they get further and you know oh well they're fucking over all these other people are you sure that's everything because it seems like it's not And it seems like as soon as you remove any incentive to succeed, then you don't have any of the amazing stuff that you have around you all the time.

1:05:53The reason why you have beautiful televisions and Starlink and all – it's capitalism. It's that you have to incentivize people to create these things. It doesn't mean the only way to do it is to fuck other people over. That's not correct. It can be done correctly. It can be done humanely. It can be done wisely. You could vote with your dollars. You could boycott companies that do things that you don't think are ethical. There's all sorts of wonderful ways that capitalism could be used and you can sort of influence things in the right direction. But to throw it all out and say we've got to go to socialism, like, oh, boy, I can't believe people are buying that.

1:06:32That to me is one of the real problems with not allowing conservative voices in universities. And these universities, especially in the United States, are a lot of – especially like in sociology, psychology, overwhelmingly liberal. Like surely there's got to be some historians out there that are conservative and they would have a different perspective. And it might be good to have diversity of opinion as well as diversity of national origin as well as diversity of gender as well as diversity of sexual orientation. Yeah, all that stuff is great. But also diversity of opinion. Like the only way to know whether or not this person is making sense is to have someone who completely disagrees that is a better point go up against them and you watch them duke it out.

1:07:20And as soon as you silence all that because students don't feel safe or because, you know, this is promoting X, Y and Z. This person's a Nazi. Oh, they're a Nazi. We can't let them on. As soon as you do that, you ruin the whole thing that a university is supposed to be doing. It's supposed to be preparing young minds for discourse and for communicating and for figuring out the world on their own. They're eventually going to be independent and dependent entirely on their own actions and decisions and go out there in the world, figure out your way. Arm them correctly. And the way to do that is to expose them to all sorts of different competing ideas.

1:07:55The idea that that was ever accepted to be shut down in this country, especially in America, is a massive failure of the education system. Just massive. If you think that someone has bad points, come up with better points and let them duke it out. And don't pull fire alarms and don't silence them. Don't scream and protest and throw things at them. Communicate. This is what – and anybody who doesn't do that should be shunned. I agree. If you're one of those people that says, no, you can't talk to Nazis, like, shun them. They are the enemy of thinking. They are the enemy of progress. They are the enemy of finding out what's right and what's wrong.

1:08:31And the only way we find that out is we communicate. Free speech. Free speech. Well, free speech and a degree of Darwinism. You have to have – what we have in the UK now is I always say reverse Darwinian theory. And again, at schools now, in my day, I'm lucky. We like to win. To win was good. To win fairly in a proper game of hockey or rugby or whatever was great. But now in schools, winning is considered to be bad. So everybody needs to have an opportunity to be treated the same. In sports? Often. Often in sport. To win, to be seen as a competitive winner. You guys don't have wrestling over there either.

1:09:11We don't have wrestling. I know you do. It's a real problem. You do cage fighting and stuff, don't you? I know, but I mean wrestling, just wrestling as a sport, just wrestling for high school and college. It's like wrestlers understand meritocracy as good as any human being alive. because there's no way to make it unless you work hard. But isn't this the battle, Joe, the age-old battle between individualism and collectivism? Yes. Because the collective likes to curb the individual. I like to foster the individual, and I think what the state fears most is highly successful, independent-minded people who are capable of putting their point of view and discussing it with each other.

1:09:55So what they try and do through the taxation in the UK, what they're doing is they're taxing, to your point, people who contribute, who work hard. And there are still a lot of people who fight very hard to feed their families. They're proud. They don't want to be part of this welfarism. They want to provide. And they work hard. But the state puts everything in their way, all the regulations, the rules, the taxes. Everything is – the force is not with them. And that's got to be wrong. I mean, I think what you need is a lot of successful individual family businesses, communities which are self-sufficient, communities that respect each other and effectively can have this debate with each other.

1:10:41You get the truth. And I think as a result of that, most of the best inventions have come from the UK, the US, from the Anglo-Saxon world, where individualism, when it's allowed to flourish, does a lot of good for mankind. And to your point, I think this is what's been undermined by these what I call central planners. And a lot of these great inventions in America have come from people that immigrated legally from other countries because they appreciated what America stood for and they really wanted to make something happen. And they couldn't do it wherever they were. Well, the extraordinary thing in the UK is we've got a lot of support from people who are immigrants into the UK.

1:11:19They came to Britain because they respected our structures. And what they want is they want structure. They don't want to see the country. Yes, legal immigrants in America have the same perspective. Legal immigrants in America are pretty overwhelmingly against the whole open border idea. Because it was so hard for them to become an American citizen. It's a very proud moment for them to do it. A lot of young people? Yeah. Got a lot of support from young people who are – Well, young people are online. See, this is the thing. So young people are much more – I want to say informed but at least aware of the issue.

1:11:52They're much more aware of things than older people that are just, again, reading the newspaper and watching television. But don't you think it may be the same here in Britain? A lot of the wealth is tied up in what I call the baby boomers. So I'm a sort of tail end boomer because I'm 68. but the sort of bulk of them are probably 70 to 90. And a lot of the pension wealth is held there. And a lot of the damage that's been done to our financial markets has come from aversion to risk. Risk is a good thing, in my opinion. So people need to take risk. Risk, you know, the entrepreneur takes risk, and he gets reward if he gets it right.

1:12:30But if you tax him into oblivion, he doesn't take the risk. And what's happened in Britain is the baby boomers, the wealth's all locked up there. They want to see their retirement through safely and not enough money is cascading down to the young people to be able to build their lives in the same way that the boomers were given a chance to make money in this very sort of – When you say not enough money is cascading down, like how so? What's the bottleneck? The money is all locked up with these old baby boomers, and they're more concerned with their pensions and their retirement than they are with generating an ongoing wealth chain, which gives an opportunity for the young to be involved.

1:13:08So you're meaning they're not starting businesses? No, very much not. They're just holding on to their money. They're holding on to their money. So that's an England thing. In England, definitely. I mean, I think it's a big issue. I don't know whether it's an issue here. Is it an issue here? Well, there's certainly an issue here with young people feeling like the system is completely rigged. Cost of housing is through the roof. Rent is through the roof. Groceries are more expensive. Inflation here is a giant problem. It's a giant problem for people that are struggling. We were just looking at something the other day on the internet where it was talking about a number from – what was it?

1:13:47Like 2007 or 2008 or something like that that was like$225 ,000 and it's$450 ,000 in today. Like that's crazy. That's like 20 years ago. Like to have something double in 20 years. And you just think about how many people that are coming up that just feel like AI is going to take all their jobs. So they don't know what to do. And now they're in student debt because you guys have free education over there, which is a wonderful thing. I mean, I completely support that idea. But in America, these kids get saddled down with debt that they can't escape. Well, we don't. In England, we don't have free education.

1:14:25In England, in Scotland, they do. Scotland has free education. We did used to have it. You're quite right. When did it go away? Well, now students have to take out loans. And this is another shocking – I thought you guys had free health care and free education. We have – well, if you call it free health care, assume you can get a doctor now because most people now are having to source their own medical treatment because it takes you so long to get an operation or to get a doctor's appointment. And it's – although the sort of health service was set up post-war to provide free health care, when it becomes incredibly inefficient, people have to seek their own care.

1:15:04Otherwise, they don't get treated. But look, I think with student debt now – When did it change where university education – It's changed. So now – What year was this? Well, it's been changed for a long time. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So my oldest son is 35. So he took out a student loan. It was less then. And then the fees shot up. So my - What's a, like for Oxford, what's a typical, how much is the cost of - Well, they run up, students will run up debt of, in the UK now, it's not uncommon to run up a debt of 60 ,000 pounds. So it's very similar to what's going on in America then. 60 ,000 pounds and they're charged the most hideous rate of interest on it.

1:15:45Which all needs to be changed. Do you have the same laws in terms of bankruptcy over there? We do have bankruptcy laws, yeah. But do you have bankruptcy? Student debt, you won't be bankrupt to live with student debt, though, because the student debt, they just accrue the interest. If you go and work in a foreign country, often you don't have to pay the student debt back. I think it's a 30-year liability. But once you start working, then the student debt organization will take interest and principal out of your salary. In America, if you go bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card debt, all sorts of other debt, but not student loan.

1:16:21It's the one loan that you cannot ever be forgiven from. In fact, people who have Social Security in America, their Social Security gets docked because they owe student loans. Is that right? I didn't know that. It's crazy. Imagine you're at the end of your life, you're living on Social Security, and they're taking pieces of it for an education that clearly didn't help you out. Well, I don't know about you, but in England, we've got these ridiculous courses in sort of humanities and sort of things that are completely abstruse. And these kids go and do these what I call bullshit degrees. And at the end of the day, they come out of it with a load of debt and no real skills.

1:16:59No skills and a completely ideologically captured mind. Very much so. Yeah.

1:17:07And there's not a lot of other alternatives. It's like most universities are left leaning. And that's the issue that these kids have. Even if you're from a conservative family or kids grow up a certain way, send them off to college. And they're very impressionable. And they're going to get talked down to by a professor who's a communist who's never had a real job in his life. And he seems so smart. And he's very smug. And he insults you if you disagree with him. And he is the ruler of the classroom. and everybody, like little kids, they just give in to this guy's ideas. The next thing you know, you're organizing on school grounds and you're doing all the same things that the other communists are doing and you're part of the team.

1:17:48Hey, we're going to fix the world. And you don't realize how ridiculous it is until maybe you're 35 and you have a job and then you have a family and you're like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, what is this? It does change, doesn't it? Oh, 100%. But Oxford's the worst. It's the old expression. Show me a young man. Who quoted that? Who was that quote from? Show me a young man who's not a liberal. Was it liberal or is it progressive or whatever it is? Show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old man who's not conservative and I'll show you a man without a brain.

1:18:21Yeah. No, I don't know who said that, but it's a common saying. Let's find out who said that. It's a truism. Was it Churchill? Was it Churchill? There you go. One of your people. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant and accurate. And it doesn't being conservative doesn't mean you're not kind. It's silly. It's just recognition of human nature. And you can't you can't reward people for not putting in effort because then they will find ways to not put in effort. You can't reward people for being a quote unquote victim. And I don't mean a real victim of a crime. I mean, victimized by society, victimized by circumstance, victimized.

1:19:00You can't weaponize that because people will cling to it. People love excuses. Anybody who does sports, you played hockey, people love excuses. Not today. My back hurts. Today, I don't feel up to it. Today, I'm a little tired. I can't do the final lap. People love excuses. And when you weaponize that and you give people incentives to be excuses, you give excuses and then you put people on their heels like, whoa I don't want to appear that I'm insensitive let's help you out and then all of a sudden you've got a whole swath of society that has carte blanche over your tax dollars for nonsense. Well this is obviously what's happened in the UK when I was brought up again competition was a good thing you know if you if you if you felt a bit rough you just carried on you didn't whinge you didn't moan you expected to fight for things if you had a setback you didn't immediately go and cry into your beer.

1:19:54You basically got on with it. We need to teach people that. It's character building. You're going to have rough days and you should cherish those rough days because from them you will grow. You will grow from your rough days. The down times are the good ones because those down times really give you the motivation and the real firepower to get out of whatever situation you're in and improve your life. From adversity comes success, I think. Comes character for sure. Character for sure. It doesn't exist without some sort of adversity. But I do think the young were also badly affected by the COVID, by the response to COVID.

1:20:37I think you and I share something in common. I'm a pureblood. I didn't have those injections. I wouldn't go anywhere near them. How did you get away with that in the UK? Well, I used to go to Australia a lot. So I because I have some businesses in Perth in Western Australia, I love those old rocks in Western Australia, you know, the mining, the sort of Wild West and Kalgoorlie and places like that, you know, which have got a huge historical connection to sort of gold prospecting and stuff. So I stopped going, I stopped traveling, because it was very difficult to travel. But I don't know about you.

1:21:15I found the lockdown profoundly concerning. I thought things that I thought were the norm, I was losing everything that made sense. Yeah. And, you know, there were things happening that I didn't think could ever happen in Britain. The state literally took over and it frightened people into submission. Same as America. And the young people suffered most because they didn't have the opportunity to socialize and to, to your point, discuss ideas and get at the truth. They were literally locked up. Everything was online. It wasn't right. The whole thing was completely wrong. Imagine if you're in high school in America and you're in California.

1:22:02Your entire senior year, you're at home. You graduate. You can't even go to a graduation because it's too dangerous. Yeah. The whole thing was madness. Well, Sweden got it right. Anders Teglund in Sweden. He was a great man, very brave man. And he got that right. And boy, was there a lot of pushback. It was amazing how many people were willing to do the work of the government, how many citizens were willing to enforce these ideas. It was really shocking. It was shocking to watch how many people became lemmings, how many people just stepped in line. We had people ratting on each other. Yeah. They were rewarding people in Los Angeles.

1:22:39Yeah. They were giving them financial rewards for telling on their neighbors that we're having parties. That's what happened in England. I have a tennis court in the middle of nowhere, so I used to say, come up and play tennis. It was ridiculous to stop you playing tennis outside. I mean, absolutely mad. Anyway, they used to come up and play tennis, and nobody can see it. But if they played it in the village, then people would report each other. Yeah. In California, we had people report on us because this desk is not six feet wide. Seriously? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then they also said we were talking close to each other without masks because there was a bunch of people that saw people walk into the studio and we shook their hand.

1:23:19So they were ratting on us. And so we had to put a sign up in the front door of the studio and we had to have a bag of masks, a whole bag of masks. Do we have to have hand sanitizer, too? Did we have that, too? Probably. I think so. I think we had to have hand sanitizer for a while at least. but we were getting ratted on because this desk is too close so it's not this desk is only five feet wide so it's no social distancing it's pathetic Joe isn't it it was nonsense it was it was so crazy the whole thing made no sense and uh it completely changed a lot of people's ideas about um trusting experts and trusting authority so many people thought that the health experts in this country were literally just trying to make people healthy.

1:24:05And you didn't realize like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They're trying to prop up the pharmaceutical drug cartel and they're trying to make as much money as humanly possible. And the only way to do that is to force compliance. And so they will do whatever they can. They will keep you from flying. They'll keep you from driving. They'll keep you from going to school. You can't work. If you have more than a hundred employees, everyone has to get vaccinated. They were doing crazy shit where you're like, You guys are really going for it. And it worked. It worked for quite a while. But boy, did it ruin young people's perspective of authority.

1:24:36Completely. They don't trust anybody anymore. And with good reason. Well, I think it damaged them most. Again, it's another negative for them. Yeah. I mean, our National Health Service was forcing people to have the injection. To work in the National Health Service, you had to have the jabs. Yeah. And it didn't work. It didn't work. That's what's even crazy. It actually was worse than that, Joe. It didn't work. It created major medical problems. Right. And I don't personally think we've seen the end of it yet. So I've got a lot of friends who are fit. They ended up having myocarditis. Yeah. Having strokes.

1:25:04Yeah. Having heart attacks. And at the end of the day. Everybody knows somebody that has a horrible reaction to it. Everybody does. Yeah. Everyone. And to people that say they don't. I've had conversations with people. I don't know anybody who had a side effect. I'm like, fuck you for lying. There's no way that's possible. Unless you are the luckiest person in the world and you have an extremely small social circle and out of that social circle, no one had a bad reaction, which is very unlikely. Unless that's true, like you're just lying. And you're lying because you probably were supportive of the vaccine initially and you don't want to seem like you were on the wrong side of things.

1:25:42Well, I lost friends. I don't know about you because people said I hadn't been vaccinated and therefore I was a risk to their mom or their dad or their granny. Yeah, I lost a bunch of people. And I lost friends like that. But I mean, in countries like India, they didn't have the jab. They used ivermectin to a far greater extent. And that was just as effective. I know. I think I used to treat my—it's a wormer, ivermectin. I used to treat my cattle with ivermectin. But it worked well. And there were other, I think, treatments which worked far better. Do you know what happened to me in America over ivermectin?

1:26:21Are you aware of that? No, no. CNN, like for days, was running this hit piece on me saying that I was taking horse dewormer for COVID. It is a worm. Yeah, it is. But it's also, you know, it's great for river blindness and dengue fever. I mean, it's won the Nobel Prize for use in human beings. And they were claiming on CNN that I was taking veterinary medicine. And not only that, but they changed the color of my face. So they took a video. I was supposed to do a concert with Dave Chappelle that weekend in Nashville. And I had to make a video saying, I'm sorry, but we have to cancel it because I got COVID.

1:26:58So I said I had COVID like two days ago. I was sick, but I'm fine now. And I explained all the stuff that my doctor threw the kitchen sink at it. We took all these different things. And one of the things that I mentioned was ivermectin. And because of me mentioning that, I also said monoclonal antibodies, Z-Pak. I talked about all the different IV vitamins. I took a bunch of different stuff, and I got better quick. And they took the video and changed the color of my face to make me look green on CNN. No. On CNN. Well, CNN is not a good channel, is it? I didn't know. I didn't know until I saw that.

1:27:32I was like, wow. This is crazy. I was like, do I have to sue CNN? Like, this is crazy. So is that Bill Hartz here when you're talking about with the eyes, the worm in the eyes? Is that the Bill Hartz you get from the water in Africa? River blindness? I do not know what that— I think it's called Bill Hartz. I think I may be wrong. You might be right. But I know they also—it's used to treat yellow fever, dengue fever. It's used to treat a bunch of different things. But, you know, it also has antiviral properties that have been demonstrated. Like, there's papers on it. And it's very cheap. Yes. But that's the problem.

1:28:06The problem is anybody can make it. And you could buy it for like – it's like a dollar a pill or something like that. It's nothing. And that was the real problem is that like if you want to have the emergency use authorization of a vaccine that hasn't gone through the safety protocols in America, you have to have no other medications that are available that can treat it. So the reason why they went after me on CNN was because clearly I was doing OK. It was three days later and I said I never got vaccinated. So here's all the stuff that I took, and now I'm fine. And they went crazy. And it was this concerted campaign to try to destroy me.

1:28:43Neil Young took his music off Spotify because he said that I was – He was on sound. Because it said that – he said that I was promoting vaccine misinformation. And he probably believed that. He probably did believe that. But he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. He's another old boomer that just watches the news. Yes. Did you like his music when I was in school, didn't you? I still love it. I still listen. I don't care. I mean I even told a story when I made the video about how um when I was at a Neil Young concert well I was working at a Neil Young concert actually when I was 19 and that was the last day on the job because a riot broke out and I was like I'm a huge Neil Young fan like I don't care he just doesn't know he's someone told him this or he really thinks he's doing the right thing by removing his music like okay but what you're doing is you're supporting this machine that is lying to people and telling people the only way to get through this is to get vaccinated when in fact There's real like Uttar Pradesh in India where it was just very low instances of COVID fatality.

1:29:38All of it was through ivermectin. Yeah. They had amazing success with just ivermectin. But again, I think the state knows that it's caused damage. I just don't think they can admit it at the moment. No, they're not going to admit. They're never going to admit it. They just gloss over it and move on. And some of the same people that were promoting that shit on the news, they still deny it. They still deny it. And they've lost debates. It's like Chris Cuomo got destroyed by my buddy Dave Smith because of it. Like they're in denial of like the things that they were actually saying. Yeah. It was like fluoride in water and folic acid in bread and all this sort of stuff.

1:30:09All that shit. It's all terrible. I mean it's sort of man getting high on his own supply, isn't it really? Well, it's also a business. That's the real problem is that there's lobbies in this country that they want to continue making money the same way they've been making money. Yeah. And one of the ways they do it in America is they advertise on the networks. So the pharmaceutical drug companies all advertise on all these networks. And they're an enormous part of the advertising budget. I know in England, that's not legal. And it's only legal in America and in New Zealand. Those are the only two countries that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television.

1:30:47But what it effectively does is it stops all criticism of any side effects. There's no stories on heart attacks. There's no stories on strokes. no stories on myocarditis. Now, if they weren't advertising, and then someone was making money off of something that was killing people, that's the news. The news would be all over it. But they have effectively ruined their own reputation by turning a blind eye on something that everybody knows. But you think they're turning a blind eye? I think they know. I think they know, but they can't admit it. Oh, the people, the individuals most certainly must know someone who got something from COVID, from the COVID shots.

1:31:28You know someone who had a stroke. You know someone who's got a neurological condition. I know way too many people for you to not know anybody. I have two people that I know that have pacemakers now. There's a lot of weird, horrible side effects that happen from that. If you don't know anybody that had one, I don't believe you. Well, I know loads. I mean, my sister-in-law had myocarditis. I've had a friend. My best friend had a stroke literally a week after having the jab. People have had problems with heart arrhythmia. Yeah. All sorts of stuff. And there's been some issues with blood too. Yeah.

1:32:04So look, I think, as usual, money probably goes to the root of it, Joe. Absolutely. And we had something in Britain called the nudge team, which basically was, I mean, how the government thought that was okay. It's a bit like when I was in football, people were hacking my phone and thought that was okay. But with the nudge team, it was to nudge people into accepting the lockdown. And it was effectively very clever manipulation of the population. So, look, I mean, you can't believe that the state thinks that's OK. But they did. They did. Yeah, they did. And they did in America for depending on which city you were in to various extents, varying extents.

1:32:44California was bad. It was real bad. I mean, they closed down all the comedy clubs. They lost 70 % of all their restaurants in Los Angeles. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. It's a great place to live, California, though. What's that? It's a great place to live, California. That's why people still tolerate it. I mean, if California had the weather of Seattle, it would be empty. It would, yes. You know what I mean? It's like the reason why people are still there is because, God, it's so amazing. And there's so many cool people there, and it's so nice, and the weather's incredible, and the views. And you could be at the ocean, and then two hours later, you're in the mountains.

1:33:15I mean, it's an amazing place. It's an amazing place. Filled with dumbasses. Yeah, yeah, with socialists, Joe. Unfortunately, it's been permeating socialism. That and grifters, grifters pretending to be socialists. They're essentially those people with the wolf, with the sheep wrapped around them. Fabian society. Yeah, that's a large portion of the government in Los Angeles and a large portion of the government in California in general. And the way you know this is how wealthy those fucking people are and how it doesn't make sense how they're so wealthy. you're making how much a year and you're worth how much?

1:33:47Crime. Yeah, crime. They're doing crime. One of the things that happened very recently is they just announced that the governor of California, one of the people on his staff had been wearing a wire for over a year. Did you see that story, Jamie?

1:34:06What's that? I don't know what they got. Well, no, I don't know what they got either. But this lady had been – see if you can find it. But she had been wearing a wire. She's working for the Gavin Newsom organization. Yeah. And she was working for the administration and she was wearing a wire for the FBI because they had been investigating him. And this was during the Biden administration they started this. So they started this in 2024. If they're investigating him, it's supposed to be like they must know that some real shit is going down. FBI infiltrated Gavin Newsom's inner circle by convincing Governor's ally to wear a wire.

1:34:42Yeah. Not good. Not good. But I think it's the same in Chicago. Oh, yeah. You've got some pretty bad spots. San Francisco, I think, is not good. It's a lot of people that are profiting off of this idea that, you know, the government should be taking care of everybody and you should be making all this money from taxes. And then, you know, California spent$24 billion on the homeless and it just got worse. It just like – so now it's an industry. So now you have this homeless – taking care of the homeless is now an industry. And there's people on the homeless industry board that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

1:35:17And it's like, what are we doing? It's the same with compliance. It's the same with, as you say, DEI. Yeah. There's a whole industry in the UK of people making vast amounts of money on compliance, DEI. Yeah. Basically wealth creation. Yes. Which ultimately strips personal responsibility and tries to imbue everybody with a very sort of maligned philosophy, which is very damaging to the people. Under the guise of being inclusive. Correct. And also, you're getting wealthy. How many people from these nonprofits are getting enormously wealthy? Like, this is insane. And that was one of the things that USAID clearly uncovered.

1:35:55I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Mike Benz and some of his takes on it. Yeah. It was shocking. I couldn't believe it. There's so many hours of it. It's almost like there's too much information to digest. I could listen to like an hour of it. I was like, I got to stop because I just don't know when this ends. I'm not even absorbing this. I'm just so flabbergasted by the extent of the corruption. The amount of money that's gone to fraud and possibly waste over the years is just staggering. But it also went all over the world, didn't it? Oh, yeah. It was a philosophy, a poor philosophy that was being exported to other countries and particularly to Britain.

1:36:34I mean we have a presenter called Rory Stewart. His wife was being funded by some of this stuff, which got shut down. Did they shut the whole thing down? They shut USA down. Did they leave a remnant of it? I don't know exactly how much they've left, but essentially it's been shut down. Of course, if there was ever a Democrat that got elected president in 2028, it would probably start that bitch right back up, open the borders right back up, business as usual. That would not be good, Jay. No, it seems like there was a desire to move people into blue states and then eventually get them on social assistance and then get them to become citizens, and then you have guaranteed voters because you want to continue this, right?

1:37:16You want to continue living like this? This is the way. And then you would just completely take over the presidential elections. And I think they were trying to do that. This is Elon's perspective, and I think he's right. And he's obviously much more aware of the problem in terms of the extent that USAID was involved and these nonprofits and NGOs were involved. It seems like there was a concerted effort to do this, and it's disturbing. But again, a lack of respect for taxpayer funds. Complete disrespect. Which is what we have in the UK. I mean, we need your help. At the moment, you've got – at least you're making a stab at returning to some form of normality.

1:37:52For now, but if we don't fuck it – I mean, we might have fucked it up by going to Iran. I mean, this war is not something anybody that's conservative wanted. Most people don't want it, except supporters of Israel. They're the only people that seem to be thinking it's a good idea in this country. Most people are horrified by the idea because Trump was elected. One of the pillars that he stood for apparently was that he doesn't want any more wars. Well, he was – I came out against it on the basis for us of rail politique, which is it wasn't in the interest of the British nation. Right. And I think, again, most of these leaders should put the interest of their taxpaying public first.

1:38:30and there's only a reason to go to war if it's going to benefit you. It was difficult to see what the benefit was, although I think Iran is a sort of malevolent state and it is spreading very bad philosophy across, obviously, you've got Hezbollah in Lebanon and then we've got Hamas causing a problem. So I think they are a problem, but certainly from our point of view, I mean, you're the only country with the ability to do anything about it. I mean, we had one warship which didn't work properly when it was sent out to help. So, I mean, goodness knows we've spent all our money on welfare and not enough money on defense.

1:39:15So, no, we need help. And I think, to your point, Elon Musk has been, to my mind, incredibly helpful in restoring free speech. Because Starmer and these Fabians, Fabian Pabloist Haldane society, as I call them, they're sort of all, they've all got this malign philosophy. And I think what giving us free speech has done is it's stopped them crushing the spirit of those people who do want to debate, who do want to discuss, who do want to get at the truth. Right, but they've done so much to stop free speech with all these arrests. It's extraordinary. Because they've also – they've incentivized people to keep their mouth shut because no one wants to be in trouble.

1:39:58Well, it's two-tier policing. You've got, to your point about, you know, that the Palestinian marches are tolerated, whereas any form of Tommy Robinson march. And Tommy Robinson in the U.K., he's deeply disliked by the establishment. I give him credit for what he did. Again, on the grooming gangs in 2003, he was warning about this in 2003 in Luton. Not only that, I remember people dismissing that in 2003 or 2004, whenever it was when I first heard about it. They were talking about him as this horrible far-right extremist. I know. And that he was making up these stories about these grooming gangs and rape gangs.

1:40:40I remember hearing that. I remember not knowing, like, what is it? What's accurate here? What's going on? Well, I think the accuracy is that he was right. The establishment didn't want to admit it because if we're right, well, I think we are right about their multicultural post-war experiment. They realized it was failing. Because you can't justify the sort of abuse and grooming of the most vulnerable people in your society by people who've come into the country. They should be treated equally under the law. Rape is a rape. It doesn't matter whether it's perpetrated by somebody from a Muslim country or a Christian country.

1:41:19Rape is rape. And it should be treated the same. What would you do to stop this? Like imagine if you got into power right now. What would you do to put a stop to that? But we have to root it out and we have to stop it. How do you root it out? We have to apply the law, the law of our land, to the people who are perpetrating it. The problem is the police have institutionally been taught that they are racist. And we had the Stephen Lawrence killing, which didn't reflect well in the UK. But the response to it has created this fear of being called a racist. Which is the Stephen Lawrence killing? Stephen Lawrence killed, I think it was in the late 90s.

1:41:57He was stabbed by some sort of British miscreants. And where was he from? He died. It was in London. Where was Stephen Lawrence from? Well, he was a black woman. Okay, so it's a racial hate crime? Yeah, it was a racial hate crime. Okay, and this was in the 90s? And it was blown up. And again, you find that the racial hate crime involving any white people is now blown up, Whereas the more the very often and increasingly common acts against the indigenous white people are hushed up as much as they possibly can be. That's a funny thing to say. Indigenous white people. Yeah. I mean, it is real for England.

1:42:35But I mean, nobody thinks about that in America. You would never say like indigenous white people. Well, we do have an identity. Yes, of course. There's a reason why everyone's so pale. Yeah. Yeah. We do have an identity. But I really is indigenous. As I say, we've been very tolerant of people who've needed help. We've let them into the country. And on the whole, they have integrated and they have contributed. And I have no problem with that, like you. I'm absolutely in favor of that. Right. The only problem is the people that aren't integrating. If people don't want to come and live and integrate and contribute, then they shouldn't come.

1:43:08They should remain in their own country. It's also the idea of incentivizing people to illegally migrate to your country is just pure insanity. Yeah. You're going to run out of money. and you're also putting a burden on these taxpayers for no reason whatsoever. It's a bad use of their tax dollars. But in our immigration document, we put forward the case for basically a hostile environment. We don't want to be handing out welfare. We don't want to be encouraging people to come. We want to create a hostile environment and encourage people to go, unless they're contributing to go back to their own country and live there, particularly if they don't like our culture and our laws and they don't respect us and they think we're the infidel.

1:43:48But do laws exist that would allow you to deport those people? Well, you'd have to repeal. So that's why it's so important we win an overall majority in parliament by 29 because then we can repeal a lot of this legislation which will then empower the nation state again. So this is the legislation that provides health care, dental, welfare, housing to these people? This is legislation largely passed by Tony Blair and his acolytes. And this was all just to encourage mass migration? I think it was to encourage this mass immigration and make it very difficult to stop it practically. Interestingly, he's quite crafty because he came out the other day trying to distance himself from a lot of the things that he has actually created.

1:44:37So he's quite a canny old fox. And he does look, he looks a bit like Beelzebub these days. I mean, he's got this white hair and these piercing sort of eyes. I can't help look at him and think of evil. But look, so he ultimately, I think him and his team realise what they were doing. And it was all done through the law. You have to do, in a country that believes in the rule of law, the only way to change it is through control of parliament. So you have to do it top down through the parliamentary system so that you can repeal the laws and you can pass the laws you want to pass to empower the nation state.

1:45:18And at the same time, which we're doing, you need to start controlling local government as well because local government's gone badly wrong. And a lot of the failures from the rape gang inquiry weren't just the national government. You had failure at local government as well. So are the local government willfully ignorant? Are they denying its existence? Are they gaslighting people on it? Yeah. In the case of Labor, they've enabled it. I say I can't see how anybody can ever vote Labor again after they've read this report because Labor has clearly enabled this, both at national level by denying what's been going on and at local level where you have local government.

1:45:58So it happens mainly in labor-controlled areas. You've got people denying completely that this has been happening, whereas we know it's happening. We have people like Sammy Woodhouse, who's a victim of it, who had a child by her rapist. So ultimately, local government has to be controlled from the bottom up. And we started that process. We won nine out of nine county council seats in Norfolk. So my constituency is on the coast in England. So it's a coastal constituency. Been very badly served by the post-war elite. So the fishermen in England have been sold down the river largely to the European fishermen as part of the membership of the EU.

1:46:42So Norfolk is a county on the east coast. It's got rich farmland. And farming is my passion. I love farming. It's my hobby and I love it. So at the end of the day, we have to control local government and change it bottom up. And we have to then get control of national government and change it top down. And if we can do that, Joe, I truly think we can release the spirit of the British people. And I think they want it. But they've got to show. They've got to show to the ballot box that that's what they want. I'd imagine there's going to be an enormous amount of resistance to this kind of huge change.

1:47:19from organized crime, which I think we're now in the hands of, from a corrupt judiciary, from a police force that's gone wrong, from local government that's gone wrong, the NHS has gone wrong. Again, it's a state monopoly, and its original function, I think, has been subverted. So you've got everything, to your point, the education system is wrong, so there's a lot of change that needs to happen. But I think fundamentally the electorate, you saw them in 2016 vote to take back their sovereignty. The government wrote a letter to all the households in the UK recommending they vote to remain in the European Union.

1:48:00This is David Cameron. But actually the British people didn't. They voted to leave. And they didn't do it, I think, for financial reasons. They did it because they wanted their country back. They wanted their sovereignty back. They wanted an accountable parliament in Westminster. And some of our problems emanate from the fact that Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our parliament. So our parliament is supposed to be omnipotent. It's supposed to be completely contain the elected representatives of the people. So parliament is supposed to be right at the top of the chain. But what's happened is it's been undermined by these quangos that Tony Blair set up, which is effectively created at the life of the rent, so the Supreme Court.

1:48:41And literally there are hundreds of these quangos that now employ unelected people. What is that word, quango? Well, quango is like a quasi-national government organization. So they are – you've got all sorts of bodies, the sort of bar standards board. You've got loads of bodies which now prevail. You've got bodies on almost everything, which again have flourished since Tony Blair's legislation. Prior to that, power lay with Parliament. So that's why they've been able to control a lot of what goes on, because the two-party system, the blues and the reds, the Tories and Labour, basically have tried to out-compete each other.

1:49:27So the entire Parliament, Blair took it left, Cameron emulated Blair, and you didn't actually get proper conservative thought to change a lot of this stuff that was wrong. So I think this is an opportunity, and I think it's our last opportunity, and all the help we can get from you guys. I mean, we made a bad mistake in letting you declare your independence, which you're celebrating tomorrow in the first place. Bad mistake. Had we played our cards better, I think you'd still be, you should still be part of what's going on. I think it worked out. It's worked out pretty well for you, off. Not so well for us.

1:50:07Sorry, but I think we're better off. But I do want to see, I do want to see. Otherwise it'd be under your laws. Well, I do want to see the Anglo-Saxon world support each other. I think there's not enough of that. We're too fragmented. There's too much sort of, whether it's the World Economic Forum, as I said, whatever the reason, there's too much fragmentation and too much undermining of this cohesive Anglo-Saxon world, which let's face it, is the reason why we all have individual freedom because as we said earlier individual freedom is incredibly fragile and we could we could lose it at any minute je I mean the the society that what you know the way we look at America when in when people look at it the right way or when people are proud of America they look at it as a place where anybody can come and achieve your dreams and it's it doesn't mean only white people doesn't mean only black it just means Americans we're supposed to be a community a team, you know, and the fact that we're a melting pot, that we're not like, you know, indigenous white people like England is part of the fun of it all, that everyone's welcome.

1:51:12Just come over here and do your thing and follow the rules. But the problem with this country is the problem with any country when you're being run by people that are completely corrupt and you're being run by people that are influenced by enormous corporations that don't care about the people that only care about the bottom line, how much money they're making and how do they rig things. And then you have politicians that are making$170 ,000 a year, but they're somehow worth$400 million and no one questions it. No one's in jail. The whole thing is bonkers. And it's just, you're always going to have crooks and you got to hold them off.

1:51:47You got to hold them off as much as possible. When you recognize they're in, you got to do a cleaning. You got to clean house. You got to clean house and get rid of them. If you don't, you're just going to have, The problem is just going to get worse because they're going to figure out, OK, it's just like antibiotics when you don't take the full round and the stuff doesn't really go down. You said, oh, now you got medication resistant bacteria. Congratulations. Your medication has made the bacteria worse. So if you fight off the corruption a little bit and then you stop, they go, oh, well, we got up.

1:52:16We were close. We almost figured it all out and got it all rigged. But now we've got to make sure that we lock people down and have even more laws, even more restrictions. You've summed up what we need to do in the UK very well. I mean we are, I think, in the hands of organized crime. I think a lot of the institutions that we had previously have become rotten. I think it's the right way to recognize it too. It is. And to your point, we do need to now punish people who've let us down. Yeah, it's crime. It really is crime. And to just pretend because it's been going on for so long and that it's business as usual, that it's not a crime.

1:52:52Like, no, it's crime. It's crime. It's just somehow or another crime that's tolerated. Well, letting down people who've elected you and given their trust to you is a massive crime. It's not just letting down betraying. I mean, we have the same as you, but to a lesser extent, because you obviously got far more wealth than us. But you see these officials who end up becoming rich, and you wonder how they do it. And they're on salaries, and they're taxed heavily, and yet they always seem to flourish. They never seem to be short of money. So I – and I look at our judiciary, which is again now a quango.

1:53:30The judges are no longer appointed by parliament. They're appointed by this woke quango. And I had an issue in parliament. You know, I challenged Parliament because to the point where I've been saying we need to return power to Parliament. They have this body called the ICGS, Independent Complaint and Grievance Scheme. And in Parliament, we have this system called parliamentary privilege. So I can speak on the floor of the House and I can't be sued for libel. You can say whatever you want. That's the essence of free speech in the chamber of the Commons. Now this body has actually been expressly taken outside Parliament.

1:54:12And the case I had against them was they tried to say I caught them doing something I thought was wrong and I wanted to take them to court. They said you can't take us to court because we're parliamentary privileged even though it doesn't. It's not the chamber. It's not an MP speaking. It's got no MPs on this committee. It doesn't report to a parliamentary committee. And yet the judge found they had parliamentary privilege. Didn't address the questions. So this is how the elected assembly has been undermined. And this is what we have to – we have to return power to the elected representatives of the people.

1:54:46There's also another thing that Britain has done recently that's very disturbing, which is eliminate jury trials for a lot of crimes. They're trying to do that. They're trying to do that. So it's not established yet? They haven't yet done it because there is – there are still a few decent Labour MPs who fought against it. Oh, good. It's crazy. But, again, I think that's all a manifestation of organized crime because if you control the judges— Right, of course. —and you can force more and more people through a judge system rather than a jury system. And so for libel trials, I fought a libel trial when I was in football against the Times, which is Rupert Murdoch's paper.

1:55:32And, you know, I think I had my phones hacked and I fought a libel trial against them. So the newspaper hacked your phone? When I was in football, they were hacking my phone every day. Wow. How were they doing it? Listening in through my voicemails. How'd they do it? And then they can blag a number from the voicemail and start listening. So if you called me and left a message, they could blag your number off my phone. And they thought this was okay. These were national newspapers. And again, I want to... How did they get into your voicemail? Well, because in the old days, if people had a code to encrypt their phone and they didn't do it properly.

1:56:06So we had zero, zero, zero, zero. Oh, no. If you didn't change that, they got into your phone, right? So they got into my phone. They got into lots of people's phones. Wow. Because you never know quite how they did it. So if you'd left me a message, they could blag your number. Right. And then they'd start listening to your phone and everything else. Now, I think that was, in this case, Murdoch. But Murdoch, I think, has done a lot for the right-wing cause. I don't always agree with everything, and I certainly didn't agree with him hacking phones. But this all goes to the point of the establishment becoming corrupted.

1:56:39And from corruption, I think, again, you end up with oppression. And we need to sort that out. And I'm hoping if I put myself up and the people agree, they will change things. And I think they are in a febrile mood. So I'm hoping that they will take the opportunity and give us the power to do it. I'm glad you brought that part up because we're not really aware in America of what the general mood of the country is, like where people are leaning and what direction as far as England goes. What is it like? Is a large percentage of the population fed up? I mean, what's going on over there? Well, I think to your point, you've got this body of people who are profiting on the back of these concepts, which you and I would agree are completely flawed.

1:57:26So they're obviously in control at the moment. But then you've got the body of people, this increasingly small percentage of what I call the private sector, which now accounts for a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP. So your percentage of GDP accounted for by the state is much, much smaller than ours. So, directly and indirectly, I would estimate that the share of government now in our economy is over 50 % if you take the effect of these quangos and everything else. Here, you're much smaller than that. Now, that's come pre-Blair. Thatcher, we were in a very, very good economic state. And the state accounted for 30%, 33%, something like that.

1:58:16It's now up to nearly 50 % and rising. And this is what the Fabians want. They want a dependency culture, a sort of centrally planned USSR-style dishing out of taxpayer funds. So they've diminished the private sector, which they're taxing into oblivion, which has meant that a lot of our most able people have left the country. So we've lost a lot of our rainmakers have gone. So a lot of our best people went to obviously Italy, to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi. All over the world some of them would have come here. So the best brains have gone. And I think the non-doms have gone, which again I think is a huge error because they've now been taxed rather than being encouraged to spend their time in the UK.

1:59:03OK. So we're being hollowed out by this socialist philosophy, which is creating damage to the private sector and empowering the public sector. Is there a large percentage of young people that are aware of this? Oh, the young people have – I've been incredibly impressed and a lot of them support us. So they can see that we're trying, I think, to at least rebalance this. And until we get this right, it's going to be very difficult to sort their situation out. Now, there's no overnight fix these days. And I don't know, I don't think any of us know quite what effect AI is going to have on the employment market, on opportunities for young people.

1:59:53I mean in many ways if they've got a very good brain they've got a huge opportunity to do very well and enrich themselves but increasingly it's fewer and fewer people it's not like the industrial revolution where the majority of people had an increasing standard of living it's going to be very interesting to see how we all cope with this incredibly fast moving revolution which is what it is, which is arguably going to create some incredibly rich people. And those people who haven't got the brain power will end up struggling. So it's hard to see how that's going to end. But that doesn't mean to say we want a state central planning everything.

2:00:37We know historically that doesn't work. And from that comes a sort of shutdown of thought and debate and free speech and all the things that... That you and I love. I mean, to me, that's a country I want to live in. I don't want to live in a centrally planned mess. So we're in very uncertain times, but I'm optimistic that if you release the ability, the innate ability of people in Britain, in particular in this case, I think we can turn it round still. Can't guarantee it, but I'm pretty sure we can still turn it round. But it's got to happen now. If it doesn't happen now, it would have gone too far.

2:01:19Well, I certainly hope you can because for America, when we see what's happening, particularly with the social media posts and the arrests, it's so disturbing for us. And then, of course, with the rape gang inquiry report, it was impossible to believe. It's impossible. So, you know, we hope you guys turn it around. And when is your elections? We don't know, Joe. We've got this character, Andy Burnham, who Keir Starmer has stepped down, as you probably know. Andy Burnham, I call him the Ghostbuster. He is just a more user-friendly version of Keir Starmer. He's been the mayor of Manchester. He stood in a by-election recently where he was elected.

2:02:09And he's apparently going to be anointed as prime minister by the 20th of July. So this is a guy who up until recently wasn't even an elected politician. He's been a politician in the past. He's been in the cabinet. Keir Starmer can just step down and put another guy in his place and that guy takes over? That's what's happening. That sounds crazy. I know. What a stupid way to run things. It's bonkers. So the answer to your question is it could run until 29. 29. That's the backstop date. He could and everybody says he might have a snap election. I think that's highly unlikely Labor have got the biggest post-war majority.

2:02:53Why would he have a snap election? He's got three years left with a huge majority. So why would he why would he take a risk? In Manchester he he was man's Manchester mayor He's actually in the report in the rape gang report. He's mentioned in the rape gang report for not doing enough in Manchester Which which is a center of rape gangs? So he's involved in that. He's involved in that. He's mentioned in our report. It's in there. So look, I think in answer to the question, when's the election going to be, some people would say he's going to have an election soon. I don't agree with that. I think he'd be mad because I still think the public will judge Labour harshly because the economy is not going well.

2:03:37People aren't feeling richer. They're feeling poorer. Their businesses are struggling. Their taxes have gone up. Our taxes are at post-war highs now. And the waste is just off the scale. So when I'm in the Public Accounts Committee, which I sit in, again, it's all on, you can watch it on, people watch it on screens. It's the Public Accounts Committee is the most powerful committee in Parliament. And we question these civil servants to try and hold them to account for the taxpayer. The waste is just off the scale. So you've got a wasteful, inefficient state, which is then taxing the private sector into oblivion, the increasingly small private sector.

2:04:15And that's not a recipe that's going to encourage risk-taking investment. It's not going to – you know, they're taxing family farms. They're taxing family businesses for the first time. They're basically breaking the backbone of Britain to the Fabian point. They are enacting this Fabian agenda, which is designed to create a society that's reliant on the state. I don't want that. Nobody should want that. Well, listen, man, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate you taking the time. I know it was difficult to get here for this day, and this is the only day we had open.

2:04:50No, it's very kind of you to have me on, Joe. My pleasure. I know it's some big celebrations tomorrow. Good luck to you. Yeah, we're going to win. I'm amazed at the support we've got. and I'm amazed at the number of people who even on the plane come up to me and thank me for what I'm doing and say they're going to vote for us and I think Britain's on the turn and hopefully if we put up shop tell them what we're going to do give them a chance to vote for us if they vote for us I shall do my best to change things if they don't vote for me well that's their prerogative that's democracy that's democracy good luck sir thank you pleasure bye bye

2:05:42We'll see you next time.