#2540 - Travis Barker

37:06I always know I have room to grow. I know there's things I can get better at. Yeah, there's, and then there's like, you know, there's people that are very content just being like, I'm not going to get any better. I'm just, I'm cool with where I'm at. I know this is kind of peak level for me. I can never think like that. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be. in order for there to be outliers there there's always going to be people that just whatever for whatever reason never follow through never do what they really want to do you know what is that uh thoreau comment the thoreau quote most men live lives of quiet desperation there's a lot of that there's a lot of people that wish they wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that they want to do, to get up and just do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really makes them feel fulfilled, really ignites that creative fire inside of them where you do something and it's done.

38:15You're like, fuck yeah. There's a lot of people that never experience fuck yeah. Yeah. It's a rough life. I feel like that's the journey. Find that. Or like that quote, find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it. That's great. But I think, yeah, things like that have just, especially after my accident, I'm like, yo, life is short. And it can go at any time. It can go any time. I've learned. I've been smacked in the face over and over again. Yeah. And just always feeling like, I remember there was this guy named Harry Shannon that was like, very instrumental in helping me get sober or me trying to get sober before my accident when I got sober and he's like you know I have to ask men like if you died right now would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by and I'm like I need to get to that place you know that that's just where I want to sit that's where I want to live yeah you know well I always tell people live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around and you're doing something awesome like if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing some just someone who's like wow that fucking dude's getting after it yeah be that person in real life the other thing i always tell people become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid it's so funny or who you're pretending to be on the internet or social yeah just actually become that person it's so much easier yeah pretending because there's obviously someone that's like that.

39:48That's why we understand the archetype. That's why we understand like this very exceptional person. So become that person. Yeah. You can do it. Anybody can do it. We all change and grow. And that's what's I think really important about people like you telling your story is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life and they can see it and relate to you and under, and it gives them fuel. It can, And your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life. There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you.

40:22And that just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move to something. We all need something from other people. We feed off of other people's energy. Yeah, I feel that. It's like when people see David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh, I'm going to get after it. I'm going to get after it. You know what I mean? Like that's important. Yeah, and I didn't know. I said, you know, I've watched my doc like 15, 20 times now. And I just, I even watched it the other day at the premiere. And I'm like holding back tears. And I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy, you know.

40:58But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life. Like I can't look at life the same. And I'm like, if anything, that's, I love that. You know? We all need that. I'd hate to put out – also, it's not like I made my own documentary, but I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me. But, like, hate to put out something that doesn't help people. Right. You know? Right. Is this water right here? Yeah. Yeah, there's a glass right in front of you. There you go. I ran – what is it called? Lake Austin? Uh-huh. Lady Bird. I ran it today, yeah. It's dope.

41:33So nice. Isn't it beautiful? So beautiful. This is such a great place. If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running. I know. So cool. There's a lot of healthy people in this town. And I didn't, my goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to like this good espresso spot that has like Cortados, had a coffee. And then I have like long shorts on, like sweat shorts, cut off sweats, suicidal tendency sweats and high socks and just regular shoes. And where I come from, where I grew up, was called the Inland Empire. And I'm like, oh my God, I look so Inland Empire right here.

42:07No shirt, long ass sweat, suicidal tendencies. People are like, he's not from here. But I'm like, hey, I'm here with you guys. Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend in town. I love Austin. It's great. It's cool. Yeah. But that lake is a really fun spot. And again, very inspirational too because there's a lot of people getting after it. Yeah. A lot of people that look good. They look healthy. Yeah. It was like, I don't know. Honestly, I was surprised. Really? From the moment I touched down yesterday, just walking, my wife and Rocky, we just went walking, and everyone was running even yesterday.

42:43And then today, it was like similar to when that feeling in L.A. where you have those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out there getting after it. Yeah. I love being around that. Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the jujitsu hub of the country. Really? Yeah. It's kind of crazy, and it all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or L.A., and they came here. And, well, it started out with Gordon Ryan.

43:18Gordon Ryan and John Donaher, who are like Gordon's the greatest jujitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here. And John Donaher is the greatest coach of all time, and he moved here, and they set up shop. And then all the guys they train with came here and then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools, too So there's a ton of jujitsu going on here a ton of MMA going on here There's gyms everywhere all these functional fitness gyms It's like is like a feeling here There's an energy of people that want to do something that really want they want to be active They want to be excited about something they want to make something happen and I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a symbol of change for them like wherever the fuck I used to live before now I'm going to move to this new thing and I'm going to really take advantage of the fact that this is different that this place is different this is my new place this is my new feeling of my life it's a new environment and then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to excel and make their life more exciting.

44:24It's an awesome place. Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or L.A., but you see it here. It's like everyone's in shape. It feels like it's ahead. There's energy here. Yeah. And there's energy here because of the people that moved here. When we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in L.A. L.A. was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted. They're addicted to performing. They're addicted to writing. They're addicted to like – and a lot of these guys were young people where their career just was shut off.

45:05And, you know, they're in their 20s and they're pursuing their dream and they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money. But they're in Hollywood. They're at the comedy store. And then also in the comedy store closed for a year and a half it was fucking nuts And so when we came out here, you know, it started off It was Ron white and then me and Tony Hinchcliffe and then it was like we Lit the fire and good good come on and then next thing you know it there's like 20 world-class comedians moved to Austin And we set up the club and then now there's five clubs on my street on the street where my club is There's five other clubs there.

45:42It's crazy. There's so many comics here. And it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so much momentum. Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got SNL. You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world. And Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my club. It's so wild. Oh, that's out of your club? Yeah, every Monday it's out of my club. I get all the clippings from it all the time, and I'm like, he's so funny. Also, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis at the Netflix Sucks. Oh, right. At the Hollywood Bowl.

46:17Yeah. So good. Yeah. I worked with Ron last night. He's great. He's the best. Yeah, Shane Gillis is my favorite, obviously. He's so funny. He's the best. He doesn't even have to say anything, just his face. Well, he's just a great guy. Like, you just love, when you're around him, you're having fun. he's a big smile I could imagine they were like hey do you want to go meet him before the thing I'm like no no no I just want to watch his show I'm sure he'd love to meet you it's just having a place where a bunch of like minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important and if you don't have that in your life that's what I was talking about like your story and your documentary and just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people because we all need other people that are doing a similar thing or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing that gives us and it might not be for them it might not be playing the drums it might be painting it might be something else but it's like oh that guy has that feeling about drums the way i have this feeling about playing guitar or i have this feeling about drawing pictures whatever the fuck it is it's like you need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you and wanting to do something special is not unique.

47:33There's other people that have it. You just have to find them. You have to find those people. And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the Internet. It's incredible. Yeah, it's like they say you are the closest five people that are around you. It's like the same thing. Completely true. Completely true. Yeah, I feel that too, and they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. yeah I'm like in our old neighborhood were you on Khalifa? yes so I'm on Khalifa I moved my studio you literally left like COVID hit you left and I moved in over there yeah I know I heard I wonder how close we were too I think we were real close I think we were right down the street from each other so even just being in that neighborhood I run a lot in there right and one day I was running it was so weird I think I saw your pod and Gene Jacques was on it, right?

48:30Jean-Jacques Machado. Yeah, Jean-Jacques Machado. And then maybe two days later, I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing a coffee, and him and all his boys from his gym go up there like, hey, come train, come train. And I'm like, okay. And then the next day I'm running, and I don't even know where his spot is, and I'm running, and then there's his dojo, like, you know, his gym. and I just walked in and started training. But being around him and his story, being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and are productive and are hungry, you know? Yeah. It's the biggest difference in the world.

49:12John Jock is an awesome soul. He's an awesome guy. What a great guy. Yeah, I started training with him in 1998. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I was training a lot and then I was also running a bunch and I tweaked my leg. And I kind of learned, I think, like me running all the time, it wasn't the best for jiu-jitsu. No. You need some strength training for jiu-jitsu. So now it's a good balance. What do you do for strength training? It's tricky. I used to just work out. If I was here, I'd find someone I'd work out with them or have friends I'd work out with or trainers back home. But a lot of people see me and they're like, bro, let's get you jacked.

50:00Well, that's not functional for me. Not functional for drums. I need to be fucking fast. Yes. And I need to be fluent. Right. Yeah. So a lot of people, I figured out after years and years and years of working out with different people, What's best for me is fast twitch and lots of reps, lots of sprints, quick explosive energy. I love boxing, love jump roping. And then a few days is more like slow strength training, but only followed by, like I have to finish with something fast, whether it's 10 rounds on the bag or whatever else. or I literally, I remember there was a tour and I was working out with someone and we hadn't yet figured it out.

50:48We work out still together and we do something called tempo training. So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo. You're doing it for the length of the song. So it's much longer than you would normally do something. And it's much quicker than you normally do something. But that's how I play the drums. And that's going to help me once I go back to what I do and it's functional for what I do. I like that. But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle, I got behind a kit. And I remember I hadn't really tested it out. And it was the worst feeling in the world.

51:22I was so tight. I was so slow. I didn't look like this, but I felt like this. It was terrible. I was like, oh, my gosh, this isn't me. I need to be. Right, right. And my goal, my only goal is to be able to think something and do it, execute. stamina-wise, endurance-wise, and skill-wise. So I'm always practicing, and my stamina is always on point. Well, drumming is like sprinting with your arms. Yeah. I mean, you're just like long-term, fast running with your arms. Yeah, it's like volume punches, right? Like all drummers have a similar build. They're all like wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms.

52:06like what you could do with your arms is probably bananas i bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long i could do battle ropes i love speed bags oh yeah i i have one at the at the gym at my studio yeah and it's all it's all yeah tempo you have to find the rhythm if the rhythm's not right you can't keep the bag going you know um battle ropes you know for 30 40 minutes okay without stopping that's insane yeah just it's like different ways thing for drumming i would imagine it's such a similar motion yeah you know but it's so different than like the average person that wants to work out like i don't get to do that you know even though it's cool or you look cool you put on certain amount of muscle whatever i it's just i can't do it well it could get in your way for sure i mean i think a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer you know you want to be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance and if you just get an intelligent trainer they understand what you're trying to achieve they could achieve both goals like you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jiu-jitsu if you want to do jiu-jitsu but not overwhelm you with mass yeah you know yeah figure it out like there's yeah there's definitely certain exercises i could do once i start training jiu-jitsu again to make sure my legs are cool a lot of like really elite jiu-jitsu guys are not bulky at all there's a lot of like really thin guys that are like very very high level especially because there's weight classes and you know what's really important is technique you know it's tricky is the hands too like not not crushing my hand and making sure i'm always like gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or oh yeah this episode is sponsored by better help you've probably heard about better help before but maybe you haven't heard from those who have actually used better help that feedback can tell you everything you need to know.

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54:45Anybody that doesn't have controlled energy. That's the great thing about rolling with black belts. If I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled. Like we both know what we're doing. So everyone's like moving in a very controlled pace. You very rarely get injured When you get injured is when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's on steroids He's fucking jacked out of his mind trying to choke you out. He's just amped. Yeah I want to choke out Travis Parker Dude, I've been that I was at a UFC gym I forget where I was I was somewhere on tour and he's like, okay let's spar a little bit.

55:23We're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever. Just kickboxing, boxing. And he does a spinning back fist. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I have a show in 45 minutes, man. Like chill, you know? He can't be getting concussed 45 minutes before. But I do love it. Spinning back fist is very hard to control too. Once you start that rotation and that spin and that arm going around. I was almost donezo. My son was there. He's like, oh. I was like, yeah, it probably wasn't good. But, yeah, but training is, yeah, it's so awesome. It's great for getting rid of aggression, too. It just cleans your mind up.

56:03It makes you relaxed. For sure. And it humbles you, I think. Oh, yeah. I feel like everyone should train or at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you. And, yeah, I feel like there will be a lot less like hotheads or testosterone out there. You know what I mean? 100%. Jiu-jitsu people are some of the most laid-back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet. Yeah, totally. Most of them are, like, very easygoing, really kind and very relaxed. And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age. Oh, 100%. Yeah, as long as you're training with good, smart people.

56:39Yeah. You know, that's the thing. You've got to pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastics, people that freak out. And, you know, I used to be a spastic. I get it. When I was young, when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just force everything. You do everything fast. But then one day you'll train with someone like Jean-Jacques, and Jean-Jacques just never explodes. He's never out of balance. He's never out of position. Everything's just smooth and effortless. And he's talking to you. Like while he's rolling, Joe Hogan, look out for your arm, Joe Hogan.

57:15He's having fun. He's so good. Yeah. And it's an art. It really is. Especially when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can do it. It's like, it is an art. It's beautiful to watch. You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle, and it's like, oh, my God. It's beautiful. Yeah. And I think I'd done it in the past, and it was a lot of fun, and it was almost like chess up here. But I didn't feel like it was much of a workout. whereas with him it's like two hours he's making it like a show there's no there's no stopping for long periods of time and we're just dripping sweat and i weigh a buck 50 and he's whatever 200 you know yeah and he's just yeah it's it is a workout and it's just challenging and you're engaged the whole time and yeah it just feels good and you when then if you watch fights you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that and you know.

58:15Because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights. They get pissed when they go to the ground. I'll get in there. I'll fucking, I'll fuck these guys up. Most men have a very delusional understanding or belief in their ability to fight. So doing it gives you like, oh, this is fucking really hard. And then you watch people at an elite level. You know, you watch Sugar Sean O'Malley or someone like that. and you're like, oh, fuck, that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy. Yeah. It gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of 15 ,000 people and millions of people on television.

59:00Dude, I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Dom one time, and me and Dom Cruz, he was just like, try to sleep me. And I'm like, okay. and you know how fast he is and how like I swing and he's over here you know it was like oh it was so humiliating but um and then he just was just grappling me and not letting me move and he's like he's like don't ever don't ever when you're in a fight be like do something do something this is what it feels like you know he was just keeping me there and I'm like oh I have much more respect for just, yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that feels awful, you know?

59:39It drains you. It drained me, yeah. And then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep in was, it was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know? His footwork is ridiculous. Dude, so good. It's ridiculous. And he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like, his footwork is very, Dominic Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was a bantamweight champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so different, and you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training. Because Dom's system, he pretty much developed on his own.

1:00:13And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving. And it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him, and they're just mesmerized. Because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow. And you're like, fuck, where is he? You know, and that was such a smart, because he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst. Yeah, he's so good. So smart. And he just really figured out, like, okay, I don't have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm not the biggest guy. What can I have? What can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody?

1:00:52Well, I can be, like, the most elusive, the most slick-moving guy that's ever existed. And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him. Oh, for sure. Like, figured it out, you know? Well, they had to adapt. Yeah. You know, when that guy's, you know, dominating people and you can't do anything about it. I mean, he humiliated a lot of people. Yeah. He was in front of them. And they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you. Like, right in front of you and there to be hit and taking a shot and then giving one back. Don was doing none of that.

1:01:24He was like, whoop, here, I'm over here. He was like, you know, very much like Lomachenko did in boxing. Just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before. And really kind of, again, developed it on his own. If you look at like the camp that he came out of in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that. It was really just him. Yeah. Very, very unique guy. But I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that exist, that someone just sort of creates. They just realized, like, what do I have physically as my tools, and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before?

1:02:07Yeah, because there was nothing like him. No. There was nothing. But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like T.J. Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork. And, you know, a lot of his footwork, guarantee, was inspired by watching Dominic. And a lot of these other guys that are, these Corey Sanhagen guys that are constantly switching stances. Yeah, Corey, same thing. The style developed out of that. Because before Dominic Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that. Not even close. Mm-mm. And so when you see TJ, who in my opinion was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time, when he beat Hennon Burrow, which was Hennon Burrow at the time was thought to be, if not the best pound for pound fighter in the world, at least number two behind Jose Aldo.

1:02:53And he was undefeated. And TJ just styled on him. And he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there like super loose and focused and relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting him with shots and moving to the left and hitting him with a head kick to the right. Like, fuck. Yeah, he put on a show that fight. It was crazy. One of the greatest title winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure. I wish he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries and everything because he was phenomenal.

1:03:25It's a tragedy. He was phenomenal. It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries, like to the point where I think he's going to have to get artificial shoulders. Damn. Because he had no super spinatus on both arms. It was just completely ripped off. And he would just like strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it. And then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought Aljamain Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's going to pop out, but it's okay. I'll put it back. Let me keep fighting. Imagine that. You're going to fight Aljamain Sterling for the world title, who's a beast and one of the best grapplers ever.

1:04:01And you're thinking, I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight because it just doesn't stay. Yeah. It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time, and he's trying to fight. And just all will and discipline and intensity. That was Dom's shoulder too, right, towards the end? Dom had a bunch. I mean, he had the ACLs. He had ACLs. The shoulder was the last one. That was the last straw, his last shoulder surgery. Yeah, I mean, look, the human body is not designed to be punched and kicked and to be grappled and strangled and twisted and arm barred.

1:04:41It's like at a certain point in time, it just gives out. Yeah. That's just how it is. Yep. And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind and their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that. And then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon. Yeah. Sometimes it's sad to watch, you know. But I also understand the feeling of that's all you know and you just want to keep fighting. Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves.

1:05:17And they always think that. It's what got them there also, you know. That's how they became a champion in the first place. like people telling you you'll never play the drums you're never gonna run you're never gonna and you're like i'll show you and that's how they all are they're all like i'll show you like it's over you got to hang it up it's over your time is gone like no no no i got one more in me yeah i got i got three or four more fights in me i'm gonna fight until i'm 41 or whatever it is that would be so hard i think of dustin and i think of like even his fight against islam and his fight against what's the French fighter?

1:05:52Benoit signed Denis. Dog, I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that in those fights. He's a fucking beast. Yeah, he's a beast. Like Dustin to me isn't he doesn't look like he's at the end of his career. He's still very competitive and I think that was the best fight against Islam in anyone's fight. You know? It was a very good fight. That was such a great fight. I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter. So I could see being Dustin and struggling with like, ah, this is hard for me to stop fighting because you're that fucking good. Well, with Dustin, the physical issues aren't even really like joints and neck and it's his head.

1:06:32He's had too many brain injuries. And he's got some sort of a separation between the two halves of his brain. There's like some issue with the center of his brain. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly. But, I mean, you know, he had that incident where he got drunk and got crazy. But a lot of that is CTE, I guarantee. And, you know, he's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that. And he's seeking help and really there are some ways that you can recover, at least in some way, and improve on what you're doing. But I think for him it's best to not be fighting anymore.

1:07:14You know, it's just at a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate more damage. And then whatever you're dealing with now is just going to get worse. And then maybe you can't recover from it. True. And, you know, he's got a family and he's in this situation where it's like, I want to be there for my family. I don't want to be this guy that's like completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old and where I can't walk anymore. And someone's got to take me around or hold my hand. Yeah. Because there are guys like that, you know, especially like older boxers. You run into some old boxers and it's like it's really sad man.

1:07:47Yeah You know you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking It was like not much older than me and you see him talking and moving around you're like fuck like he paid a price Yeah, these guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make a living Yeah, the fight game is crazy. It's the craziest I'm happy my drums don't hit me back straight up, you know I'm like, yeah. It's also, you can do what you do for a long time. I mean, you can play drums for a long time. When you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life, and it's just, there's so much that you have to pour into it, and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed, and you have to move on.

1:08:34Even though you're still young, and you still have all this life, and look at a guy like Dustin, he looks fucking great. You know, he looks great. He sounds great. When you talk to him, he seems like he's all there. Physically, he looks like he's never been better. But the window is closed. You know, there's these young guys coming up, and they don't have the injuries that you have. They don't have the problems that you have. They don't have the wear and tear, and they're going to get to you before you get to them. And maybe they wouldn't have gotten to you five years ago or six years ago, but they can now, and it's just not there anymore.

1:09:07and it's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting so that's that would be the most difficult thing in the world yeah but the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever going to know i heard someone talking about it um and they they were saying imagine being a cage fighter and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years to be locked in a cage in your underwear to scrap with someone and have the most grueling fight camps, and then we're just going to take you out of it, and you can't do that anymore. It's like that's all you've known.

1:09:49They experienced a different life than us. Their highs are way higher. Yeah, highest of highs, lowest of lows. The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, it's why Connor keeps trying to come back. It's like all these guys. It's like that thing that Conor's worth like a half a billion dollars He doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to yeah, but he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory Whatever the discipline that could be bad where he could just he completely walked out on top right? Yeah on top that that's beautiful and and if everyone could have the The discipline to do it like that that you know Yeah, but that guy's got Mount Everest discipline.

1:10:38It's like a different kind of discipline. That's why he's one of the greatest. Yeah, one of the greatest of all time. And that's why, you know, what's interesting is he's stayed training. He's been training ever since he retired. And he says he's much better now than when he retired. Wow, could you imagine? Isn't that crazy? He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now. and how he does things differently in training now. And I know guys who train with him, and they say he fucking mauls people. He's mauling these top ten UFC contenders, and he gets in with them, and they can't hold on to him.

1:11:17He's fucking an animal. I believe it. And he's not even thinking about fighting again. But he's an awesome coach now too. And having a guy like that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having Khabib Nurmagomedov coach them. Like you're being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guy that's ever competed in the sport. Retired, undefeated, one of the rare ones. And he's your coach, and you want to make him happy. You want to make him proud. Yeah, having his guidance. Yeah. Well, he's going to be in Islam's Corner this weekend. I'm leaving tomorrow. Dude, I can't wait.

1:11:54It's going to be sick. I can't wait. That's a good fight. Very, very interesting fight because Ian Machado-Gary He's a very difficult guy to get a hold of. Very tall and long. Fast as fuck. Good striker. Very smart. Knows how to win. Knows how to adapt and change. Islam's striking is fierce too, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a lot better than it used to be. And at the same level as all the other guys in the sport, which is really crazy because his grappling is above and beyond. So it's like you're dealing with a guy who there's no picnic on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet. I mean, he knocked out Volkanovski with a head kick.

1:12:33He's elite on the feet. And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no one like him in the division, in any division. He is a crusher. He just crushes people. Yeah, he's nasty. I mean, think about how good Charles Oliveira is. One of the greatest submission artists of all time. Islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him. Just crushed him quickly. Just made him tap quick. I thought that fight was going to be more competitive. Everybody did. But that's how good Islam is. And he's also a guy that you cannot train harder than him. It's not humanly possible. So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him.

1:13:16It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has. I mean, those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level. I mean, there is an entire room filled with absolute savages, and they're just getting after it every day, full discipline. No one drinks. No one parties. No one does everything. They pray five times a day. They're super religious, and they're just driven. And, you know, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that. It's going to be a fun weekend. Yeah. That main event is very tricky because Ian can move, man. He's a really slick guy, really tall, and he's also very fast and long, so he's going to have a significant height and reach advantage.

1:14:05He's going to be moving all over the place, landing, and if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he can get caught. And you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times, if at all, before you're in trouble. So it should be very interesting. Those are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle. Yeah, it's like styles make fights. With that one, that's like a great example. Yes. And it's also Ian has this insane confidence. He has this insane belief that he's special, that, you know, this is his destiny. And that, you know, I mean, it looks like that at every weigh-in. It looks like that at every stare-down.

1:14:44It looks like that at every press conference. Like, this is his destiny. He really believes that. which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have like almost a delusional belief in themselves yeah i saw an interview where he was he actually said um he believes in the balance with his family with with every part of his life where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to ten weeks they're fighting or they're training and he's like no i actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great so i believe in more balance than imbalance i think it interesting depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like you know what is the relationship with your wife and your children like is it harmonious and is it do you get love from it and strength and inspiration or is there chaos is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and bullshit Like the Mark Carr fight?

1:15:48The movie? Mark Kerr, yeah. The Smashing Machine? Oh my God, when she's fighting, when she's squabbing with him right before he goes out to fucking fight, I was like, ah! I was like, ah, I could feel for him. Oh dude, I've seen that before. I've seen that with multiple fighters. I know one guy who during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him. Like huge fights. Because she didn't like that this one thing, fighting, was more important to him than her. She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention. And when there was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist.

1:16:24This thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it. So she would start fights. She would storm out of the hotel room and slam the door and just be gone, shut her phone off. And here he is freaking out. He's got to fight for the world title in, you know, whatever, 20 hours. And he's dealing with this nonsense. It's the worst. I can't imagine. Well, I think that's why some guys, they'd rather take that isolated approach. They would rather just do the Spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this very hard six to eight week life.

1:17:06I feel that part. Like I can't even, even leading up to shows, I can't be too comfortable. Really? Oh, no. Like, I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to be uncomfortable. Really? Yeah. Why is that? I don't know. It's just, it's all I've known, too, you know? It's like that, I don't know, I came up, like, lugging my own gear around, setting up my drums, and then waiting for the show to start. And I don't, I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from a nap. It's just, it's just not in me. I'm up jump roping. I'm up watching fights. I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new.

1:17:46That's the best headspace for me to be in. Well, I would imagine the difference between drumming and I think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout. You have to be in shape to drum. You have to. Yeah, I can't feel sluggish. I don't know. I'm a fucking weirder, though. I'm worried about what I eat. Like, do I have enough energy? Have I, you know what I mean? Yeah. And just jump roping right before I play. Dialing it in, right? And knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had. You've had so many experiences, so many performances that you can just dial it in.

1:18:25I think that in that way, it's very similar to fighting, is that every fighter has to have their own approach. And Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time. And Islam Makhachev's approach is very different. It's like Spartan, all those guys together. You eat and train with the guys. Just separate yourself from everything. Yeah, it's super personal. Yeah, it's got to be personal because everybody's got a different – everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different triggers, different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down. Yeah. Also, I have all these weird whatever where I'm jump roping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage, And then there's the times where everything, I get thrown a curveball and I get to the venue five minutes before and I can go up and do it like no problem.

1:19:16Because I think I've done all this other preparation. Right. It's like I also know it works without it. Yeah. Right. You're always ready. Stay ready so you're always ready. Yes. I live by that. Yeah. Stay ready so you don't have to get ready. Yeah. That's the goal. Yeah. Well, fighters have that, too, because the fighters that get, like, really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle. Like Patty. Yeah. Where you see him blow up, like, a week later. It's like, is that even the same person? Yeah, but Patty, it's a little deceptive. Really? Patty gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape.

1:19:52Patty's got incredible endurance and an insane work ethic, but he also really loves to live and live life. you know so have a few beers eat some pizza get fat but he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody like it's there's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time so even when he gets fat it's just eating he's just eating piles of food i'm sure if you if i'm sure when you see him with his big moon face if he got to the gym and worked out you'd be like fuck yeah still a beast yeah it's not like he's gonna be exhausted and lying on his back after one round on the bag like he's it's only fat yeah you know and then he's got the and then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food and like there's there's a certain like shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped and he goes from being fat to ripped yeah i mean he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like oh that guy's never gonna make weight and then he shows up at the weigh-ins shredded chiseled yeah i don't think i see anyone with uh as big of a transformation no no his is beyond and people love him for it too that's also part of the craziness of it they celebrate it because it's so silly yeah he's so likable yeah he's yeah he's great so fucking skillful too what he did to Benoit Saint Denis was nuts that choke was insane and his Gaethje fight was like oh yeah that was one of the best fights I've seen in person it was an awesome fight where I was like what the fuck just happened well you see what Gaethje just did to Ilya Duporia and now you realize how fucking tough Paddy is yeah Paddy's tough he's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likable and he's dancing around.

1:21:50But when it gets down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nails. Yeah, scary how quick that was. Yeah. And Gaethje is just, fuck, thank God for him. Yeah. He's so, I was so happy. Me too. It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the White House, on the lawn of the White House and win the world title when everybody thought it, I mean, he was like a six to one underdog on some sports books, which is nuts. I thought that was very disrespectful. I loved his interview with you. I thought six to one was crazy. Yeah. And when he was like, I couldn't let him fucking win just based on how bad he was going to disrespect me after he beat me.

1:22:30The shit he was going to say on the mic, whatever, I was like, nah, it wasn't going to happen. I love that. I love that. Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily. But the thing about Gaethje is, He has zero quit in him. You can't get him to quit. He's never going to quit. It's like you could break his body down like Max Holloway did and knock him unconscious. And there's nothing he can do about that. You get knocked unconscious, you're knocked unconscious. It's just physical. I've never seen Gage eat like that in the Max fight.

1:23:06No. And I love Max. Yeah, that was shocking. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. And then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever it was. Sick. Amazing. Sick story. Yeah. It's a great sport, man. I mean, there's nothing like it in terms of the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement. There's nothing like it. I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the Apex. I think that's the last time we ran into each other. And Ganwa and Stipe fought. Was that what it was? Mm-hmm. Wow. Wasn't that crazy? Oh, being in that small venue when that happened was like.

1:23:50Small venue, no audience. There was probably like maybe 50 people in the whole room, maybe 100 in the whole room. You could hear a needle drop too when it happened. I think that's the first fight I took my wife to, and she was like, what? Like, yeah. Oh. That was a devastating fight too. And there was also, you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So the Apex, for people that don't know, has an octagon that I think is 30 or 40 % smaller. Damn, is it that much smaller? Yeah, how much smaller is, let's put that into perplexity, ask it. How much smaller is the UFC Apex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas?

1:24:33And you're trapped in there with Francis? Exactly, exactly. And also Francis looking for revenge. Yeah. Because Stipe beat Francis in his first loss. Okay. 30%. 30 % less space. That's a lot, man. 30 % is crazy. So you can see the images there. When you see the apex next to the big one, the pay-per-view one, that is a lot of space. And you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived. And you can't move. There's not a lot of movement. A lot of people like that because it's kind of, you know, forces action. But I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended, for them to paint their masterpiece.

1:25:23You've got to be able to have angles to get out. And if you're just constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there, you could move to the side, move in and counter. Think like when Sugar Sean O'Malley knocked out Aljamain Sterling, and Aljamain is pressing forward. Now, if the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far. It cuts off a lot of the possibilities. It cuts off a lot of things. That was another shocker, right? Oh, it was amazing. When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy. And the walk-off? The walk-off and then saluted.

1:26:02Oh, hard. So hard. And he said he envisioned it, which is even cooler. Like he saw it in his mind that that's what he was going to do. Yeah, that was great. He had actually, we were texted back and forth. He's like, I need to knock him out. And I was like, when it happened, I was like, oh, that's just like right off into the sunset, you know? Well, in his position, he really needed something special because Marab versus Piotr Jan wasn't formally announced yet. and it was thought like maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Piotr Jan.

1:26:40That didn't come to be. So now Piotr Jan and Merab are having a rematch. And after that rematch, if I had to guess, it's most likely going to be Sean fighting for the title again. And he has that win over Peter. So that's exciting, right? But he doesn't have a win over Merab. So if Merab wins the title again, he's going to be like, fuck! Yeah, it's like you said style. Yeah styles make fights. That's yeah I mean doesn't mean that he can't beat Marab I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody but it's just he's got to figure out Whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle that is that little Georgian Tasmanian devil that never gets tired.

1:27:21Yeah, just he's like the Energizer rabbit like just keeps going dude you've ever seen what Marab's face looks like when they did like an x-ray of his face and MRI with his broken nose. No. It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life. Didn't he say he's not going to get it fixed? He's not going to get it fixed. Because then he'll have to take a year off of fighting. Not only a year off of fighting, I don't think he can even spar for a long time. So he can't. That's what his nose looks like. Whoa. Yo, it looks like, do you know who Pushead is? No. Okay, Pushead's the illest artist ever.

1:27:54He did, like, Misfits. He did, like, Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like, that looks like Marab's face. Top right right there. So he's the illness. He did like Zorlac skateboarding, did a bunch of thrasher stuff. Yeah. Dude. Exactly. We got to, yeah, Marab's got to do a skull t-shirt or some kind of merch with that. Dude, look at, he totally should. That should be his logo. Look at that nose, man. Look at the break of the bone. How hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean it's really insane I mean he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose Yeah His cardio must be all mouth breathing which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has Yeah Look at his nose I mean it's crazy the twist in that thing is fucking insane I mean it's like it covers part of his vision Yeah I feel like he's been out what six, seven months now?

1:28:57It's been a while. Yeah. It's been a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Piotr, and now they're going to have a rematch. And what, he had defended the belt three times in that year, right? Mm-hmm. That's a lot. I think it was three times. Yeah, well, it was definitely a strength of schedule was tough because, you know, you're going through these camps. You have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out. But then there's also Piotr Jan, who had fought Mara before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight.

1:29:31Yeah, that performance was amazing. Yana's a fucking assassin too, man. He's a scary guy. He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy. And now he already knows that he can beat Murab, so it's going to be interesting to see, like, who makes the adjustments in the rematch. Is that happening? Is that scheduled, the Murab fight? I think it is. I don't know when it is, but I'm 90 % sure that they've scheduled that fight. That might be Salt Lake City. Is that the Salt Lake City fight? I don't know, but it's exciting. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is on fire right now.

1:30:13It technically says TBD. TBD. But it is announced? No, I mean, no. The Salt Lake City has a TBD for that. Oh, but if you look up Marab versus Puyo Drian 2, does it say where it's happening? Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at, and it doesn't have anything popping up. I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening. LA card, it looks crazy. You going? Yeah, I think so. That should be fun. Yeah. Are you touring right now at all? What's going on? No, I'm just in the studio this year. Oh, okay. Just finished writing and producing a few albums. and then was finishing this doc.

1:30:54So what is the LA card right now? It's Pantoja versus Joshua Van. I'm seeing a post that says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October. Oh, the rematch with Piotr Jan and Marab? Yep. Okay. That makes sense. That would be a good one for Abu Dhabi. Yeah. Yeah, the LA card is going to be sick. It's going to be so good. So it's Armand Saroukian versus Mauricio Hufi. That's going to be insane. Moicano versus Ortega? That's this weekend. Oh, sorry. Which one did you want? The LA card. Oh, my bad. No worries.

1:31:36That's it. Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Vann and Pantoja. Dude, I can't wait to see what happens. Yeah, man, that Pantoja arm break was such a bummer. Yeah. To have him fall back like that. But, yeah, Moicano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah, it should be fun. Gable Stevenson again. Chido. Yeah. Against Charles Jourdain. Yeah, it should be fun. LA crowds are always fun, too, because the UFC doesn't get to LA very often. It's always pretty hyped up. Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to LA. I love Vegas, but something about LA, you know? You still like living there? Los Angeles? Yeah. Yeah, I love it.

1:32:16Do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic? Yeah. I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past DeSoto. That's the goal. That's like my living is wake up with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I actually just bought a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days I'll leave my house. It's a three-mile run. I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old-school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day. Oh, that's nice. I don't drive past DeSoto. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah, if you could do that and avoid the real chaos, the center of the hive of L.A.

1:33:05Yeah. Yeah. Once in a while, I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or something that, you know, me and the wife want to do or me and the kids. But other than that, studio, home, studio, home, train. Smart. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a better life. Yeah. I have friends that live in the heart of it, like in West Hollywood. I'm like, what is it like? They're like, it's not the same. Yeah. It's not the same. It's just. yeah I couldn't do it the days I'm in the city I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit you know like I'll go to crossroads I'll go do whatever but it's rare yeah I can only imagine yeah did you ever think about getting out I don't know if I could do it yet I think like for what I do you know besides like playing in blink or touring when I'm home I'll get a call and they'll say hey hey can we come by the studio I want to make this with you I want you to play drums on this I'll see game walking in my neighborhood Trav I need you on this record blah blah blah I just there's so much that happens right there for me I think there'll come a time where I don't need to be there but right now I feel like I'm in demand and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff and I'm recording a bunch of stuff so it makes sense for me do you ever have some thought about like living in the country and retiring somewhere just like laying back yeah we we were on tour and there was a huge storm in nashville area so we were in franklin for a few days franklin tennessee and we immediately started looking at houses like we gotta go here but we kind of do that everywhere we go you know we you know you travel you go on vacation you're like we want to live here we want to get a spot here but i do i do love southern california uh we have a spot up north like in santa barbara i love santa barbara as well um i love the desert santa barbara's awesome i feel like moving around in southern california keeps things fresh like going to the desert for a week or a few days going to santa barbara and then during the week staying in calabasas or like los angeles and you know working out of there the montecito area is insane yeah montecito It's so gorgeous.

1:35:24And I also feel like the desert, like Coachella out there, you feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from L.A. and all the chaos than you are. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves? Yeah, true. It's a very unique environment out there. Yeah. It's kind of weird that they decided to put music festivals out there. I know. It's wild. You know, one of my best friends, when I left home at around like 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options. He said, join the military like me, start paying rent or take off.

1:36:04So I took off, right? Was a trash man on Laguna Beach for a while. Then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He had this promoting company called 98 Posse and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything. and he ended up starting Coachella. Oh, wow. He was obsessed, like what we talked about earlier. He was one of those people that were obsessed, and I watched him build this amazing festival. Yeah, he's just pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella, it's crickets all the rest of the year. There's nothing. It gets so hot. It's 115. Most businesses close down halfway through the day.

1:36:47They're open for the morning. And then when Coachella happens, the city thrives, and it's just, you know, chaos. Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people. I don't know. I don't own a business out there, but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's 115, 120, and no one's coming out of the house, I feel like they're almost like Coachella saves them. Like the festival saves everybody. Oh, definitely. Just the volume of people in the town. The volume of people that comes through, I think, saves all the businesses. For sure if you have a business. When we're out there and it's not like the season or whatever they call it and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open from 9 to 1 p.m.

1:37:32That drive out to the desert, though, is like, better make sure your air conditioning works. Yep. And no old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip. Well, the only thing I've driven from L.A. to La Quinta out there is— Have you ever heard of Velocity? Yeah. I got a K5 from them. Oh, nice. You could drive that out there. Tom Segura has one of those. Yeah, they're sick. Yeah, he got one of their Blazers. They make such a great K5. Yeah, he loves his. Yeah, they do sick stuff. I think I've seen this. Yeah, it's brown. It's all black. Oh, it's brown? It's brown. I'm colorblind.

1:38:11Are you really? I'm fucking severely colorblind. Wow. I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color things are sometimes. That's how bad it is. I'll be like, what color is your favorite? And then he'll tell me what colors they are. There's Tom's. Does that look black to you? Kind of. Yeah. That really looks black to me. Yeah, well, that's pretty dark. Okay. That's in the shadows. That's like back. I have an all black one. What a sick looking truck. So a lot of people build these K5s and they do resto mods, but they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great, or it's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great or they do too much.

1:38:53Like this isn't overdone. They make the perfect rest of them. It's reliable. Yeah, it's reliable. Oh, yeah, there's mine. Oh, nice. Oh, you got it very old school looking. I love it. Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock. It does. I have a couple K5s, but this is the Velocity one. I have an OG orange one with Plaid interior that's 72 that still has the old school engine and everything. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. And it just stays in Palm Springs, and that's where we drive that one. Does it have the old school brakes too? Nah. Yeah, fuck that. That's it right there. Oh, nice. But see how it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs.

1:39:31My wife drives it a lot. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, K5s are dope. I have a 72 Bronco from Icon. Sick. Icon was great. Yeah. They made a blazer. Yeah, they did. I almost bought it. It was so good. And he's so cool. Is it John? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like he kind of set it all off. Jonathan Ward. Oh, that's the one. Okay, so I built that with Delmo and a couple people around LA. I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a Velocity. Dude, that thing's sick. It didn't drive as good as a Velocity restoration. Well, it's also, you're so lifted. Yeah. Like, the handling on the thing must be rough.

1:40:09Like, going around corners and shit. It was really cool. I was really proud of it. It's beautiful. Thank you. That's very cool looking. There's something about that iconic design. There's something about the way those things look. Like, look at that. God, that looks awesome. I just remember, as a kid, seeing topless Chevy trucks. Like, I was like, what? This is, it doesn't get any better than this. Yeah. It is a, there's a weird thing about old school cars. They just, they spark something in you. Yeah. They're more exciting. Like, I like new cars. I love new cars. They're cool. But they don't have the same feeling.

1:40:43There's something about those old schools that's just like, it's mechanical. Like, you're connected to it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs, and I have a bunch that's like. How many cars do you have now? I think I have 12. I have a lot of old school Impalas. Really? I love old school Impalas. Like 65s? I have a 59 Impala. Oh, whoa. Real old school. Yeah, I have a 62 Wagon Impala, 63 Convertible Impala, 60 Cadillac G &X. Bro, 60 Cadillacs are wild looking. Oh, it's so... Do you have a picture of that thing? I think it might be on the interweb somewhere. 1960 Cadillacs were crazy.

1:41:32Oh, that's my old 1960 Caddy. I used to have that one. Wow, look at that thing. That is wild. Good luck parking that anywhere. Yeah, nothing feels like that when you drive those cars. Oh, I imagine. It's a boat. That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary. Yeah. Look how sick those are. That was my 53. That's yours in the far right? These are all my cars in my collection from at some point in my life. Yeah. So you're an old soul, dude. I am. There must be. There's something about you that connects with these things. Yeah. Old cars move. I don't know. I like the smell of them. I like everything.

1:42:12They're just hard to maintain. Yeah. You're a really good mechanic. It's hard. Do you know what kind of feels old school that I got recently but that's new is the Chevy Fox truck. What is that? That thing's a fucking beast. See if you can pull it up. It's the Fox Chevy Silverado. Is this a new car that's come out recently? It's Chevy's answer to the Raptor or the TRX. That's mine right there. So they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black. So it's just, I think it has 600 or 700 horsepower. It has like Baja suspension. You could drive it anywhere. Oh, so it's just like a Raptor.

1:42:54Yeah. Why do I not know about this? That's crazy. The Fox Factory Silverado. That's my daily. Fox Shocks. That's what it is. So Fox Shocks did a collaboration with them. Yeah, the guts. You could literally jump this truck wherever the fuck you want. So that's your daily driver. Yeah. I have a Raptor. I love the Raptors too. I have a Hennessy Raptor R. Oh, those are hard. That's fun. That's a beautiful truck. Yeah, thank you. there's something about those kind of trucks too that's exciting thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous it's like how do they look at that thing flying in the air that's so crazy do you ever take it on the dunes i haven't yet when they when i bought it they came out to uh they came out to the desert and brought a couple and we just whipped them around the desert and we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything and they're like we'll even let you use one of your our trucks so we don't fuck up yours i was Oh, that's nice.

1:43:54Appreciate that. Yeah. Because it is all carbon fiber fenders. It's pretty cool. Yeah. So they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything. Yeah. And you can't even buy them in the States. Like you have to, I mean, in California, you have to, I had to ship it from Vegas because of all of the extras because it's supercharged. So California won't let you buy it? Mm-mm. Well, God. I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else. That is so sad. Yeah. What a goofy fucking stick. But I'm, yeah, super happy with it. We are doing another studio, and we're going to do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack.

1:44:35Mm. And so. Like this. Uh-huh. Cool. Yeah, exactly. At that place, that racetrack. Sick. Which is in Austin. And so what we're going to do is have it set up where you're going to be able to go around the track. We'll do some laps and then pull in and then have a podcast. Cool. I love that. Which would be great because I feel like for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack that you'll come in and you'll be like, ah! Oh, ready to go for sure. It'll be really fun. Because I bet some people rile themselves up to come up in here and get really nervous or like, I don't know.

1:45:11Yeah, some people do. It's crazy. Well, you've done it a bunch. You and I have talked and hung out before, so it's easy. But for some people, it's like doing anything that's got a lot of views gets them weirded out. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. I think you were honestly one of the first podcasts I did, besides Rich Roll back in the day. How's Rich doing? He's great. Is he okay? He had some health issues, right? I think he just had a back surgery or something. Yeah. But he's so cool. He reached out. I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you again.

1:45:49So I'll definitely visit him. But when I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, anything you need. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Super nice guy. He's always been so cool. Yeah, very, very nice guy. But yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems. And I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems and I hear they had surgery. He was a week ago. Oh, he looks fucking great. Looks like he's healthy. Yeah. Fucking shredded. I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury too. The back thing scares me though when people get surgery because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably going to be better for most people.

1:46:27Yeah. Depending upon the situation, of course. I broke my back in four places in my accident. Oh, Jesus. And I didn't know about it because I was laid out in a burn center for six months. And I never got any surgeries. Like my doctor exactly said what you just said. It's like you healed perfect. like it's me doing surgery i can't guarantee you'd be in a better place than you are now yeah so i have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery but i also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again and they had to get another back surgery then another one and they have nerve damage then their arms go numb and then they have atrophy in their limbs and surgery sketch well it can be but there's other ways around it when it comes to like disc issues and this is one of the things that i try to highlight to people there's prp there's there's a place in uh la and santa monica called uh life cycle is that it they but they do something called regenikine and regenikine is a type of i've gone to them a bunch of times how can i not remember the name of it Isn't it Lifecycle?

1:47:39Lifecycle Santa Monica? What's that? Lifespan. Lifespan. Sorry. Lifespan Santa Monica. Lifespan Medicine. Phenomenal place. Shout out to Moshe, my friend there. But they do PRP, but it's a different kind of PRP. It's called Regenikine. And what they do is they take your blood. They pull it out of your body. They spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it. and then they re-inject it into you the next day into the discs. And it's an insanely potent anti-inflammatory agent. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where I was getting numbness in my fingers.

1:48:21Yeah, all from jujitsu. Damn. And it was really getting me to the point where I was like, I don't think I can train anymore. Like every time I train, I'm in agony. Like it keeps getting worse. and I would go into a chiropractor and he was full of shit and they weren't helping me at all. And then this Regenicine thing and like within a week I started feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers. And then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed. I got another MRI. My disc had completely gone back in place. Wow, that's game changing. Yeah, because it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve and it was causing pain, like nerve pain in my elbow and in my it was the ulnar nerve same nerve that you were talking about scary right when you start getting like tingly feelings in your fingers and you can't feel them yeah it was also one of these things where i was like okay i think i might be done with jujitsu like this is a real problem but i got back into it because of this so the regenikine fixed that and then i've also had stem cells now like stem cells can especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything and that they're using state-of-the-art stem cell technology.

1:49:31There's a lot of places you have to go out of the country like CPI down in Mexico. That's what I was going to ask you. Is there places in the States now? Ways to Well. Ways to Well right here in Austin is the best place I've ever been to. I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with Ways to Well. And I brought a bunch of people in that have had phenomenal – we just brought John Jones in recently. He's got hip problems. His hip feels much better, he said. But we brought a bunch of MMA fighters in. Aljamain Sterling, who was just here a couple days ago, he was there at Waste of Well on Monday.

1:50:00And so Waste of Well, as like my friend Brigham who runs it, it's literally like state of the art. Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it. And they've got hyperbaric chambers. They've got red light therapy. They've got every single method of treating injuries and recovery. They're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there. It's really sick. It's an awesome place. But for you, being, you know, either when you're out here, if you ever want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to waste well.

1:50:35You could also go to Tijuana. Like Tijuana, where the CPI is, that's the place that has the, they have a partnership with the UFC, the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana. Amazing place. Wow. I know the guys who run it, and that's another very similar state-of-the-art place. But they aren't restricted with the type of – there's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do. Down there, it's the Wild West. You can kind of do anything. And so I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there. Yeah, I'm wondering. I have this gene factor five where I clot really easy.

1:51:16So I wonder if I could do it. Let's find out. Why would that be an issue? Like, for example, I can't do IVs. Really? Mm-mm. How come? Because I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder. Oh, wow. A clot really easy. And that's a genetic variant? Yeah. Well, I didn't really know about it when my accident happened. I had a bunch of clots. And just so I put a filter that lives in my body forever. It's like a permanent filter. that kind of like funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck. Where's the filter? It's like between my back and my stomach. Wow. Yeah, to stop anything coming up like big clots from my leg.

1:52:00Holy shit. From my heart or my head. A filter? Mm-hmm. What's it made out of? It's plastic, unfortunately, because I've read a bunch about them. I went on this whole journey because when I found out about it and they said we had to put this in you or you could have died because you had huge clots but you can't remove it and they have a life expectancy of about 20 years and then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you it could cause whatever but yeah just have PMA positive mental attitude it's not going to happen. How long ago did you get it put in? It was like my accident whatever year that was 2008 So it was almost 20 years ago, so you might have to get it taken out.

1:52:47You can't take it out. It's cemented to the wall. Yeah, so you can't do anything with it. Now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable. Is that it? Yeah, mine's not removable. IBC filter, yeah, that's exactly it. They can't take it out and put a new one in that's removable? Mm-mm. You sure? Positive. That seems crazy. They say the surgery to take it out would be more life-threatening than leaving it in. Whoa. Yeah. And so what happens if this thing breaks and fails? So ironically, it could do the same thing a clot would do. It would go up to your heart or your head, kill you.

1:53:33Oh, fuck, man. That's it, huh? IVC filter, device to stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs. Wow. Do you have to take any kind of medication for this? Just blood thinner when I fly. Only when you fly? Because I know I clot. Or if I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I got to take a blood thinner. But then I don't take them every day because it's also a risk to be on blood thinners if you get in a car accident or whatever. Any kind of cut. Yeah. Right? But honestly, I forget about it. I forget it's even in there. But, yeah, just like how some people will go on, they'll do a marathon, and then they'll get an IV.

1:54:15I can't do that. Wow. I just have to really be cautious about getting poked. Yeah, I had an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein, and she had poked me tons of times, this nurse, and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms. Holy fuck, dude. So, yeah, I've also learned the lesson of not being really cautious in what happens, you know? Yeah. So. I can't believe you still spar when you have that. That seems nuts because, like, you get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs. Yeah, I could. My doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't over-worry about too much or anything.

1:55:03He said, I'd rather you not have a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or light sparring. So, yeah, knock on wood. So it's called Factor V. Factor V, yeah. And it's just a rare genetic condition? Yeah. Wow. Well, I think a lot of people have it. I think there's – I don't know how rare it is, but, yeah, the people do – you can have half a gene or a full gene, and I have the full one. so I'm really prone to clotting. Where my kids, like my one daughter, Alabama, she has half of it. So it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.

1:55:43Huh. Whoa. Yeah. And is there anything you can do with supplements or anything like that that aids that? Like a natural blood thinner is beet juice or like beet shots, so I pretty much have one every day. Uh, baby aspirin. Beet juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right? Yeah, I mean, it was the pre - I think Rich Roll was actually the guy who told me about that. It was the pre-workout before pre-workouts. Really? Yeah. Yeah, people would just slam beet juice or a shot at beet juice. I do it every show. Beet juice? Mm-hmm. Beet juice like an hour before you go on stage. Drinking about one cup, 250 milliliters of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure, the top number, by a few points.

1:56:36The natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body, which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow. Oh, so it's like nature's Viagra. Yeah, it is. Basically, yeah. No. That and ginseng are my go-tos. Ginseng, yeah. I love ginseng. Oh, ginseng is awesome for energy. So good, yeah. It's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work. And we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you are drugs from a pharmaceutical company. That if you have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum-based pharmaceutical drug medicine.

1:57:20And that's what's good for you. All that other herbal stuff is all for retards. It's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books. Well, because they brainwash us, right? Yeah. I don't take any medicine. I don't take Advil, Tylenol. Good for you. Anything. That stuff, the thing about Tylenol or Advil, I should say, for people that take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen, that stuff is terrible for your gut. Isn't Tylenol super bad for you now that they came out with? Tylenol, well, there was a really sad story that I read during the pandemic of this lady who had COVID and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding Tylenol and she died from liver toxicity.

1:58:04Because Tylenol, which has acetaminophen in it, kills people every year. How many people, I know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember the number, but it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like Tylenol every year. It's quite a few. Damn. Yeah. It's like you would think, oh, Tylenol is not going to kill you. It's just like a pill. And it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take. But if you take a lot, you're fucked. 500 deaths per year, largely through overdose-related acute liver failure. Some estimates put it at roughly, what does that mean?

1:58:40458, about 500. Reasonably shorthand. Yeah. Acetaminophen is fucking poisoning. It can get you. if you take a lot of it. And I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen. I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths, but I do know that my friend Cam Haynes, who runs... I love Cam. Have you ever met him? Yeah, yeah, we run together. Oh, really? No shit. He actually did one of my... You know how I was saying I'm really into tempo training? Where you'll tempo train, you'll do a vigorous resistance weights, and then you'll sprint. He came and did one with me, and he was like, fuck Trav he was like that was that was a lot you know um and we went on uh we we we run anytime he's in LA I love Cam like people get so pissed that we're friends why because they're like how do you like someone that hunts I'm like because that's my guy I love him I don't care if he hunts I don't care who he votes for I don't care what he eats like that's my dog you know like you guys together he gave me a bow he gave me a bow it was so cool we shot it at my studio um it was so he's so cool and i think likewise probably a bunch of people are like why are you homies with a vegan cam whatever whatever whatever people think you know like we uh i i love cam i think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side the vegan side is very hardcore or those people get very adamant about, like, not being around other people that don't share their values.

2:00:12I don't care what anyone does. That's good for you. You know, I love everyone the same. I don't care what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay, straight. I don't care about anything. You know, I just judge people if they're a good person. I agree. And that's how we all should be. But, yeah, I met Cam. I actually showed up to Tom and Bert's, like, 5K. It was the first time I ever ran. And I just showed up. My homie Toby invited me, and I said, fuck, I'll go run a 5K, whatever. I've never ran a 5K. I always run by myself just because I like running. And I show up there, and right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me.

2:00:51And I don't know who he is. He's like, what are you going to pace today? What's your number? And I'm like, fuck, if I know. And he's like, what about you? And he gave me some number, and he's like, what are you going to do? I said, I'm going to try to keep up. and I just ran my ass off. Like I just like tried to keep up with Cam and then we just stayed friends after that. Oh, that's awesome. And I did pretty good in that 5K. I actually did way better than I thought I would have, you know? That's awesome. That's awesome. And then we became friends. He's one of my best friends. Yeah, he's great.

2:01:23I love him to death. Such a good guy. What I was getting at was that he was taking ibuprofen. He was taking 800 milligrams a day. And I didn't know he was taking that much. And I was talking to him on the phone once, and he was telling me, yeah, I take 800 milligrams a day. I was like, whoa, wait a minute. How much? I go, you do that every day? And I go, why? He goes, I'm in pain. I'm in pain all the time, and I want to keep running. And so then I sent him some information that Dr. Rhonda Patrick put out about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis and what it does to your gut biome.

2:01:59So he stopped taking it. He said, well, fuck, I don't want to ruin my body. Let me just stop taking it. The pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day. And he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti-inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome. Because his gut was messed up. Exactly. Exactly. So he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day. It's torching his gut biome that's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body.

2:02:37And he's in pain all the time. He gets off of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away. Damn. Isn't that wild? Yeah. But you get brainwashed into thinking, I need all these things. Meanwhile, turmeric and curcumin, and there's a bunch of different anti-inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance. then they're much better for you and healthy and you can get them from food all the natural stuff and then I feel like contrast therapy is so helpful too like doing sauna cold plunge sauna cold plunge anytime I'm injured that's what I go to I hit up Cam actually one time and I was like Cam I just did a half marathon I'm about to do another one what do you suggest he's like Trav get yourself an elk I was like I was like, can't remember who you're talking to, you know?

2:03:26So for you, is the vegan thing just all animals? It's an animal love thing? Nah, it wasn't even... It is that. I am kind of under the thought process of if I have a dog and I love a dog, I kind of love all animals, right? I love all animals the same. I'm not like, I'm going to eat that one. I'm going to shoot that one, but I love my dog. It's a little contradicting to me. You know, but I didn't even know any of these things at a young age. I remember food would be put in front of me and there would be ham, whatever. And I would just naturally put the ham in my pocket and eat like the mac and cheese or whatever else, the spinach.

2:04:10Because my dad had this rule. He's like, you eat everything or you don't get up from the fucking table. Straight up. I don't care if you're there for three hours. That's what it was because your mom spent time making the food. You've got to eat the food or you don't leave the table. so I'd pocket it and then my mom my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes so it started like that and then next was oh ham is actually this hot dog is actually this hamburger is this and I'm like whoa I just thought hamburger was a hamburger I didn't really know cow meat yeah yeah so I just naturally didn't like I was already like not liking the taste or the texture right so So it was like, okay, whatever.

2:04:48And so vegetarian from the time I was a kid all the way up until my accident. And then after my accident, vegan. So it wasn't really about animals. It was just at that time it was like I just I wasn't drawn to eat that stuff. That's not what I was into. What about eggs? I loved bean and cheese burritos. I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from Bakers. I love a good bean and cheese burrito. Yeah, from where I grew up, you know. Good bean and cheese burrito with hot sauce? Yeah, you can't beat it. So that's kind of like what I was raised on. But there's cheese in bean and cheese burritos. Yeah, so I wasn't vegan until 20 years ago.

2:05:22So I would have dairy. But do you ever eat eggs? Never. No? You know, if you have your own chickens, it's a pretty karma-free food. It's like I have chickens. I have 19 chickens, and they're pets. So they wander around the yard, have a good time, like, hey, ladies. They have no cruelty. No one's doing anything bad to them. They go in their nest boxes and they lay eggs. And then you just gather the eggs. The eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized. It's just food. It's just free food. I mean, it's not free. You pay for chicken food and you take care of them and all that stuff.

2:05:57But, I mean, in terms of, like, it's karma free. No one's getting hurt. Like, literally, no one is getting hurt. The chickens will lay an egg almost every day. Yeah. And so we have, like, baskets of eggs in my house. We always have eggs. I think for whatever reason now, it's like anything. And there's this amazing – it's actually – I think they mark it as a protein, a vegan protein. But you make egg whites out of it. And it's phenomenal. What's it made of? And it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do. Does it have the same amino acid profile? I think so. Maybe see if it comes up. What is it called?

2:06:36I have it in my phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone. Jimmy would probably find it. Yeah. So it's like. It's like, and it's not just egg or one of the basic ones. It's one that my daughter had sent me and it's bananas. You make omelets out of it and it's just incredible. And you get tons of protein. But I think after I ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months, I was like, peace. I'm going to be vegan. I'm going to be vegan. Watch this. and then I stopped like I stopped kind of having anything that came from animals period just to see what it would be like like I don't have honey even honey yeah no honey and I just feel fucking good like I have tons of energy I can I have no lack of energy you know I feel great I feel like I operate like I don't know just feel the best I've ever felt like how I am right now.

2:07:33Well, I mean, I think everyone's different. And that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try and find whatever works for you. Yeah, even within my family. Like my one daughter is vegetarian. My son eats meat. My wife eats meat. My youngest son has meat sometimes. It's like whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with. That's awesome. And that's just what works for me. That's a great attitude. I think you also have it dialed in. Like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in where you know you're getting the right amount of protein.

2:08:05And there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have a complete amino acid profile. Yeah. I know hemp is one. Those perfect aminos that Gary makes? Gary Brecka? Yeah. Those are a game changer. You take five in the morning, five at night, game changer. Yeah. But it was. It was. I won't say it's like not hard to dial it in. It is difficult to dial it in. And it is – you've got to navigate just like anything else, right? Right. There's so many people that they go vegan, but then they just eat, like, vegan pizza and they don't – Yeah. Crossroads, your restaurant, I still have never been.

2:08:42But everybody that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal. Like even Dana, who does not like – Dana White, who does not like vegan food, he's like, dude, it's fucking incredible. He goes, it's incredible. Yeah. I think when – you probably don't know what to expect, right, when you go to a plant-based restaurant. Right. But Tal Ronan, the chef from Crossroads, he's incredible. And the food, it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan. It's not even on the menu that it's plant-based. That's awesome. There's a place in the Valley that I used to go to all the time. God, I can't remember the name of it.

2:09:14No, it's escaping me. Was it Follow Your Heart? Yes. I go every day. Yes. That's it. So good. That place is great. And that's another completely plant-based restaurant. We used to go there all the time. Yeah, it's so good. When I lived in L.A. yeah follow your heart was pretty close yeah they have a they have a little cafe where you can eat in a grocery store supplements and stuff it's yeah it's great their nut burger very good yeah it's like really i would crave it yeah that's cool i'm like i love i love just everyone being open-minded and you know what i mean oh yeah i'll try anything yeah um for me personally what i've tried i eat more meat than anything i eat mostly meat yeah mostly wild game but i eat a lot of ribeyes and steak and that just makes me feel the best you know i don't love animal cruelty i don't like it i don't think it's good in any way shape or form but i also realize that animals eat animals life eats life yeah this is just and the thing about hunting is i'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from.

2:10:20I know the source of it. I'm there when the animal dies. I'm there. I do it. I participate in the whole thing. I carry it out of the woods. I cut it up, bring it to a butcher shop and have it packaged into steaks. I'm thinking of Cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know we have deer in Calabasas? He was eyeballing them, Joe. He was eyeballing them. I'm like, don't even fucking think about it. Of course he was. Yeah, he was like, oh, look at that, look at that. Right behind the shoulder. I'm looking at him like, oh, look at the cool family of deer. He's like, oh, shit, that's like food, you know?

2:10:55Yeah, it's food. It's so funny. Well, especially him. But, yeah, I totally, like I said, I get it, you know? It's cool that you're so open-minded about that, that you do, and you're not judgmental. I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should adopt with everything, with political ideologies, religion, whatever it is. Just don't fuck with me. I won't fuck with you. I'd like to hear your opinions on things because I'd like to know where people, where they form their thoughts from. What's your perspective? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hate when anyone from either side of things are so aggressive that we're like, you just bum everybody out, you know?

2:11:35They do, and I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with. I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole. and whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology, whatever it is, they find a thing that they can call you out because you fuck you. You're the fucking reason, man. Fuck you, man. And it's just what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole. And they're not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person. It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument.

2:12:20But if you're starting that, initiating that because someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing, first of all, you're a shitty communicator. And two, you're probably a shitty person because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving. And you're using this point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being a Muslim or being a Christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous. What you really are is just a shitty version of a person. Whether you realize it or not, you probably don't even – probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it and you probably think I'm doing the right thing.

2:13:00And everyone's like, I love it that you have no chill. He's got no chill. No, he's a cunt. This guy's a cunt and he's a miserable and sufferable person to be around regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system. And if he had a perspective that was I don't know why you think the way you think, but I think differently. Let's have a conversation. You might find common ground. Yeah, totally. You might be able to realize like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think. I have friends that are Muslims. I have friends that are atheists. I have gay friends.

2:13:34I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I love them. It's great. Everyone doesn't have to be you. Everyone doesn't have to be the same as you, nor do they have to agree with you. But there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right and some reason to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think. And they think that they're justified by it. And I think it's a real problem. it's also a real problem with social media because those people their voices get amplified and people pile in yeah you go boy or you go girl and i feel like anyone who can like look at i mean social media it's corny to begin with right but you're gonna go on instagram then you're gonna say something extreme or fucked up to someone it's like yeah you're so you're so lame like that you actually took the the time to think about writing something bad then wrote it then press send like you're fucked up you know what i mean like straight up like anyone that's gonna say or spew negativity i'm like yep yeah i just it's just no place for it yeah it's just weakness and i guarantee you you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life with whatever you're pursuing you're you're you're not they're lacking somewhere optimized for sure you know like that's why they they choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people.

2:15:00It's usually they're lacking. They're usually at least somewhat mediocre. There's usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing, and they're lashing out at other people, which is fine. But it's also like other people can learn from that too. You're like, God, that guy seems like a cunt. And then don't be a cunt. Realize that and go, oh, okay. I kind of see that myself sometimes. Maybe we should – maybe a little self-correction. Yeah, you're like, I don't ever want to be like that. Exactly. You know, that's great. Exactly. Or the opposite. When someone's like – has like a really objective charitable take on someone.

2:15:36Like, hey, man, maybe he thinks this way and, you know, maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly and we can find common ground. Like you read someone saying something like that and you go, oh, I want to be more like that guy. Like that guy like I like the way that guy thinks like that that's inspiring to me like that to me like that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with. They're not going to be they're not going to use it as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean because you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that.

2:16:07You're just not, you know, and will you get the peanut gallery to pile in? Great. so you've got team cunt you've got a little cunt farm behind you and you're all attacking all these other people and you think somehow or another you're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you that you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think or because they only eat plants or because they worship this god or come on yeah the world like david goggins has it figured out how he like how he just listens to all his haters or whatever and he like runs or exercises like that's the that's the shit like use it as a tool you know yeah i think you're better off not even listening to the haters he's insane every time i talk to him like you're so insane yeah i mean like i said yeah anyone that's gonna say anything is so so lame right off the jump yeah but there's a lot of lame people in this world unfortunately because there's a lot of people that don't have a you know it's hard to be a person it's complicated yeah don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy and i think you have to like i'm disciplined like sometimes i'll read something and i'll be like you motherfucker like but i'm like oh no i can't do i can't do what they do right like i can't i can't stoop to that especially you're travis barker yeah you're a famous guy like if you do what they do it's a different thing like if you go back at them it's that is one of the lamest things when you see celebrities never going at like fans in the comments like what are you take your phone away take his phone away yeah who who's letting we don't want to see you do that the people who love your music or whatever no no no no no no how many people have like ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing something like that or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted or the way they view this or the way they, you know, whatever it is.

2:18:04Luckily, like the hate, the hate, like I get the weird, I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate, but it's just something like they know they're like throwing darts from across the room at me. It's like, oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now or he married a Kardashian. I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say, fuck you. You know what I mean? It's about like the like that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? Like and my wife isn't like I can't label her like that. She's my wife. She's my soulmate. Right.

2:18:39I love her to death. But to think like, have you seen me change? Well, that's not at all. Have you seen me like dressed? Dog, I dress so different, obviously, than my wife or her family. Like I'm continued to be my own person. I've looked the same. I've wore the same Dickies pants, the same band shoes, had the same tattoos that stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old. Fuck you. You know what I mean? Straight up, fuck you. And that's why, I mean, punk rock is not about music either. It's about like, you don't care what anyone thinks, right? As long as you're going through this world, you're doing, yeah, you are who you are and you're not hurting anybody.

2:19:18That's punk rock. I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together. Like, look at this, two people from totally different worlds. that love each other that's cool oh it's the best it's the best it's just only a hater would would think that other way though right you know um but if you started getting all your tattoos lasered off and you started wearing designer clothes yeah i started dressing like a lame and i started yeah of course like dude come for me you know please please uh but yeah that's like that's one that's always like funny to me i'm like well there's the problem with like you know whenever there's anything that's happening publicly you're living your life publicly there's always going to be hate oh yeah and wayne said it little wayne said it a long time ago i remember he told me he's like dog you you you haven't made it until you have haters you know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you you ever seen cat williams sit on haters oh pull that up oh i bet i bet it's great he's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters

2:20:24It's the same kind of thing. Have you found it anywhere?

2:20:30You can't say Cat Williams on haters? No, I did, but what I'm... Oh, I guess it does say haters. Hold on. Yeah, he's got a whole... I think the bit's titled haters. Okay, give me some volume. Hey, you gotta get your motherfucking hustle. Understand niggas is gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about? What the fuck do you think a hater's job is? To fucking hate. So let them motherfuckers do their goddamn job. What the fuck is you complaining about? Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the fuck to get to 16 before the summer get hit.

2:21:08What the fuck is you mad about? If you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, bitch.

2:21:29That's so good. So true. So true. It comes with the territory. Yeah, yeah. This is the job we chose. This is the life we chose. You're going to get haters. Totally. But it's your, you know, it's your obligation to manage the waters. You don't have to dive in and fucking swing in their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs. Totally. It's not necessary. But it's a complicated world. Never would I, you know? No. A lot of people do, unfortunately. But it's also, this is a new thing. Like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online. If people choose to be on social media.

2:22:12You have direct access to all kinds of people, and they're going to read your comments, and people know that if you're a person who reads comments. And so they go and attack you, and it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate. And a lot of people, they get severe anxiety because they do read that shit. And then they'll hold up their home by themselves staring at their phone. You're in a fucking giant mansion living like a baller. You got a Ferrari. Meanwhile, you're in hell. Like I said, yeah, if you're not hurting anybody, you know what I mean? like life's good yeah and also you'll feel better if you're not doing that totally or they say like if you do read it and you find any truth in it like it's your chance to fix it right it's your chance to whatever or use it as like motivation you know like Goggins does yeah even if the shit they're spewing is so false and fairytale it's like still you know what I mean go lift or go box or go play drums or go do whatever you do you know use it as energy that always feels good because yeah none of it none of it really like sits with you you know well it's supposed to and i understand haters too yeah i've always said this that if i was a 15 year old kid and somebody gave me a twitter account i could get a hold of someone like me and talk shit to them i 100 % would oh yeah fuck yeah as a kid like i don't even know what it would be like because we didn't have it but i I also know from where punk rock has always been very finicky, very sensitive, right?

2:23:45If a band gets popular, everyone's like, I fucking hate them. They're on the radio. Fuck that band. They have fans now. They can eat. They can fucking, you know what I mean? Pay rent. Fuck them. You know, it's like that. You know, skateboarding, which I like changed my life and raised me. skateboarding is also they're very strict you know about about who can call themselves a skater or you know there's just all the all these things there's like when when all these things should just be celebrated like skateboarding's fucking cool it's like some of the coolest people in the world you know skateboard and and skateboarding's taught most of the world like how to dress properly and serious like i mean a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders skateboarders like set it off like they had the best taste from the jump how do you think that happened well how did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style in your opinion i don't i don't know it's just it's just one of those things like even from back in the day like why that particular activity would have like a whole like style associated with it i mean i grew up with like huge pants and like t-shirts and and just vans you know skateboarding and beanies you know that's like i don't know but everything from the time skate videos were released they were secretly maybe they didn't know about it but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was and at the time music was so categorized like you're either a punk rocker you like country you like rap, you like that.

2:25:20Skate videos were everything. The illest, best music of every genre. So a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy and loving the far side, you know? So it was like happily confused. They just knew the best of every world. It was different, you know? It's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity. Well, then you had Lil Wayne who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career. And I feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him. Oh, wow. And some people don't even know. I feel like punk rock and skateboarding, I mean, Playboy Cardi wears punk rock clothes.

2:26:08His whole aesthetic is punk rock. Where did he get it from? He got it from punk rock. you know like it was born there and uh i hate gatekeepers right i love what he's done with it and i love that all these new groups of kids that love cardi and love kent carson are they're dressing like punkers they might not even know it they just think they're dressing like you know their favorite rapper but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding wow yeah i can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that yeah there really isn't like bmx people you know well they have writers yeah they're wearing pads and stuff i mean bmx was really cool i love bmx but yeah and there's not like there's nothing like skateboarding style that's associated with yeah and skateboarding and punk rock were like this right well it's rebellion right yeah being an outcast it's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like you understand it but it could have been right like skateboarding could have been well couldn't i can't even say this like but like it's a skateboard it could have been athletic it could have been sporty yeah it was from the get-go it was raw and it was gritty and it was it's also one of the hardest things as far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take you gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard yeah a lot of concussions yeah a lot of guys when they're doing tricks fall on their fucking head.

2:27:37The board hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms, breaking legs. Yeah. It's a gnarly sport. Especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings. Yeah, street skating. It's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street. Pretty cool. It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it. Yeah. Yeah. And that it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics. Yeah. And both the genres are very protective, you know? Yeah. Weird. It's cool. It is cool. But maybe it should be protected. Maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know?

2:28:22Well, for them, for the people that are protecting it, like it means something to them. It's probably their haven from the standard society, the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want. And so like this thing is like a church to them. It's like sacrifice. It's like religious. I mean, when I was 13, I felt like an outcast. And it was skaters against jocks where I grew up. It was like jocks and you played football or you were a skateboarder, which basically you listen to punk rock music. you listen to Faction, you listen to DRI, you listen to whatever, and we looked really different.

2:29:00So we were outcasts. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Should we wrap this up? Yeah, it was amazing. Brother, always good to see you, man. So good to see you. Always good to see you. This documentary, when can people watch it? It's out on Hulu right now. Right here. And we're looking at the... It's the crash. and when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks. I've got two on the ground with birds over here.

2:29:32Get a f*** in this, man.

2:29:39The last thing my mom said to me was just play drums. The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body. A lot of people came just to watch him. He just had this, oh, you're going to get picked up by a band and you will be a star attraction. I told him, you better get yourself a job, boy. And he said, no, dad. I'm going to go play in a punk rock band and I won't have a plan B. It's f***ing rough. Mark and Tom come up to me and he said, our drummer just left. Would you consider playing? The show starts in an hour. It felt effortless. Things were just exploding. That was quite a wild ride.

2:30:20I was torn with Blink nonstop. I was taking so many pills that I had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure I was breathing. It was all a blur. And then came the crash. Just fire and chaos everywhere. 65 % of my body was bright. 27 surgeries. Falling from the sky like Icarus probably does something to your head. I walk in the room, and I don't cry ever. But we cried, bro. Che and Chris were like brothers to me. And then A.M. passed away a year later.

2:31:03Why am I here when everyone else isn't? I had to ask myself who I was going to be after this accident. I could never truly understand what he went through. I had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father I could be. It changed the whole family and I feel like it brought us closer together. We loved him trying to cook for us, going on bike rides. Knowing how close I got to not being here, my appreciation for life is something I can't even explain. Every hit is him communicating his story to the world. dude he has got a crazy story one more time

2:31:53wow that looks awesome thank you thanks brother thank you bye

2:32:15Thank you.