JRE MMA Show #139 with Bas Rutten

24:19Interesting. But just, did he, this Ross Levine, does he come from a point background? He's a point background karate guy, but he will also do glory. He went to other organizations. He's just an incredible fighter. And now he's coming full circle back to karate. And he said, yeah, he became the champion right away. He took the old champion's belt. I mean, it wasn't even a contest. So that guy in that situation, he knew that he couldn't get kicked to the head. So you can kind of sit there. What is he complaining about? I have no clue, but it's not good. But you just go to the, to the very end. You'll see him the way he, he drops everything.

24:57What do you say behind Castaneda coming forward to just try and tie up here? Well, maybe he thought he was going to move forward. Yeah, like right there. Like, what is that? Why would you stop, right? Yeah, well, I think he's kind of already on his way out, right? So look, he just slid down there instead of standing up. Now it's at least a down to opponent, but now he has to wait for five seconds, right? Is that the strategy? Well, you could. But he's just getting beat up, right? Yeah, this is, but look how, how... Look at this. Oh, so you can do that. You can kick to the face there because the guy is not totally down.

25:31He's just leaning against the thing. Anything goes against the wall. Interesting. I want to show you how to make for him. So, and he, the Castaneda, he was complaining about this. He said he wasn't out, so they had to rematch. Oh, boy. Yeah, indeed. Oh, boy. And then he got annihilated. It's unfortunate that some of these guys who are mentally tough, they're great fighters, but they just have this one place that if you can take them to there, they'll crack. Yeah, they are, right? Yeah. Like, tough, tough guys, but if you take them there, they fall apart. Yeah, but you go, like, okay, with me, it was submissions.

26:04And I go, you know what? Maybe I should learn this thing. Now, that's how folks do it three times. They only own that. Yes. And that's how you get rid of it. Yeah. It's just simply working. Yeah. But there's a lot of catch up to do. And there was always an issue in the early days of the UFC where those guys were their elite strikers, they just didn't want to roll. Because when they rolled, they would get dominated. But when they strike with people, they would dominate them. Yeah, it is stupid. Yeah, it's just an ego. Do what you don't like. Yeah. That's, though, you know, because that's most of the time.

26:34First of all, you don't like it because you don't understand it. That's what I say to people. Sure. But once you understand it, you know, you're going to love it. Like, submissions, when you once I got it, I go like, this is way worse than boxing. We thought the tough guys were boxers, like, kickboxers. Yeah. That's not true. No. You can dislocate, break any joint bone in the human body. That's a big part of the half. For any guy can do that. Who is doing, after a blue belt, so to say. Well, it's just the, I mean, boxing has amazing knockouts, but it's just, when a guy can control you on the ground and dominate you on the ground, you don't have the same ability to defend yourself.

27:11He don't have the same options. There's just so much going on. Yeah. It's like, I mean, it's boxing is great to watch, but all did. You watched the Loma Chenco. I didn't even play. You got a run. You got a run. Yeah. Yeah, I think you got a run. I mean, the commentators were trying very hard not to say he got robbed. They were dancing around, close rounds in this now, but I didn't see it at all. Yeah. I felt like Loma Chenco won that decision. I'd like to go back and watch again, like, with silence and just sort of try to know commentary. Just try to, like, really score each round. But to me, I felt like it was two rounds up for Loma Chenco.

27:48Yeah. That's bad. You know, if guys like that, it's all the time in boxing. It happens all, but it happens in the UFC too. Yeah, but boxing, it's worse there, right? It is sometimes, but when Marlon Vera fought Corey Sanhagen, one of the judges gave the fight to Marlon Vera. And it makes zero sense. I have watched that over and over again to try, like, because Corey Sanhagen's performance is fucking phenomenal. Yeah. It's top level. I have Vera as very freaking tough. Vera is an animal. He's a fucking animal. He's so good. They're the elite of the elite in that division, both top five guys. But Corey just fucking just chopping away at him, doing whatever he wants, man.

28:36It was amazing. Yeah. Guys like that, man, that's why we have guys like Israel, not a sign yet. For him to lose and then to come back, you see, I think that's more powerful than any other person out there. You know, you can be on the field. It's nice, Daddy, but you know, show people you're human and coming back from that. And then the, I don't know, it's rope of doping, right? Mm -hmm. I mean, my body right away, since next to me goes, he's rope of doping. You know, he's, well, Kachidoping, whatever you want to go, offensive doping. But he was still looking, which is for the right moment. Oh, it was amazing.

29:07Amazing. Well, he had gotten very close to stopping him in one of the kickbox fights and then dropped him with seconds to go. Like one second to go in the first round of their MMA fight. So he kind of knew he could get to him. But it's that motherfucker. So big. Dude, if you were standing next to me, he came to karate combat. He said, he's like 235 pounds. He's huge. Yeah, this is crazy. All these guys, I'm next to Jones. I mean, a freaking Tito, everybody's giant. Mm -hmm. It's crazy. It's all length. Ian Gary. Oh, yeah. He's so tall. Dude, that's a fun guy to life. That's right. Oh, my God. I'm defeated, so confident, and so intelligent, and beating Daniel Rodriguez like that in his last fight, and being the first guy to stop Rodriguez.

29:55I mean, that's a big deal. Look at that. Yeah, he's got it, man. He's got it. Whatever it is. You know, he's got it. And he's on his way up. That's the thing, the it thing. What is the in thing, right? Because how many fighters do you see? They constantly go for the belt, go for the belt, but they never really get the belt. It is so weird. You go like, man, he should be a champ. Somehow, he's not. Well, there's guys that are so close, they're so close, and they beat top guys, but they never get whatever it is. Yeah. Michael Johnson, who just got knocked out this past weekend. I mean, he knocked out Dustin Poie, KO'd, one left hand.

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33:45He was at last 11 and I go, crap, he goes, what? I was, you wouldn't have said that. I was afraid it was going to go inside my head. I want to make it to offer, then you start fighting not to lose. I don't think you missed anymore. Thankfully, I forgot about it. You can imagine, you've got like this very tentative guy. It happens to people. A lot of people. They change up their style and they become more technical or more boring or more safe or whatever you want to call it. But they do and they think about it. We get the Mike Perry and the audience. And Andrea Lofsky was there also for the credit comment.

34:22They Mike Perry, that's one of those guys. If you're a promoter, grab that guy. Oh my God. Great on the microphone, great interviews. He's either going to get knocked out or he's going to knock somebody out. He's rolled dice. He knows the perfect guy for any other organization. Well, what he's doing now in bare knuckle fighting is amazing. Knockin' out Luke Perry like that, stopping him, beating up Michael Venon Page. Who saw that comment? He's just so fucking tough that there's something about the pain that comes with bare knuckle that just suits him. It's a mental thing. A hundred percent. I think also we were talking about Louis Rochow actually was talking about this.

35:03The light right guy from credit comment, he said, I'm going to win this fight because I've fought, I was been in a lot of street fights. I have a different mentality than his opponent Bruno Sousa had. He has a nice upbringing. He's a great fighter, but he doesn't have that little meanness in him at the moment when you need it. You know, the control aggression like Bruce Lee would talk about. I think that's a big thing as well. It's certainly a big thing. Skill is everything, right? But then the mental aspect of it sometimes trump skill if you could overcome those moments where the opponent is beating you.

35:38If you could just find your openings and then put it on them. Some people are great when they're the hammer and not so great when they're the nail. Yeah, I was talking about George as well. It's what bringing your fans. First time my mom and dad are here watching me fight. I don't know if that's a good thing. Could be really good. Children is what gets me. Oh, the worst. Yeah, children when you see people bring their children, they're like, oh, you have so much to think about. There's so much more now that you have to think about. I wouldn't let my kids watch. They could watch the replay better get them watch it live.

36:10Because what if something goes wrong? Right, right. And the rest of my dad is going down there. It's just not a good thing. No, no. And it's also there's one more variable that you have to keep in your mind while you're competing. I mean, some people can do it great. Some people can fight great with their kids in the audience. More power to them. But for some people, you watch them with the kid in the audience and they lose and they get KO. Do you see the kid crying? Oh, my goodness. Yeah, why would you subject your children to that? It's just it's so hard. If you've just been training for three years full to become a MMA champion, that is gone.

36:48Did you see the Mackenzie Dernfight this weekend? No, I heard. Oh, my God. She's unbelievable. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was incredible. It was a breakthrough performance. Like she's always been elite in the straw weight division. But to do that to Angela Hill, who was by the way, Angela Hill is so fucking tough. She's beating. Did she took in this fight and never quit? She came very close to getting arm bars and she just would not fucking give that arm up. But she's getting hammer fisted in the face. Woo. Yeah. Yeah. She's Angela Hill is so fucking tough. But Mackenzie Dern, my God. You never expect to do.

37:28Oh. If you see an interview, you go, yeah. She's just with lady. But her daughter was there for the first time and her daughter was very young. And her daughter saw her face. Her daughter was crying. I mean, she won. She dominated it. Yeah, yeah. But the daughter was like, whoa. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard in those little kids. Yeah. Don't bring family. My wife, I wouldn't bring because she would throw into the towel if she sees a little tidy cut. She'll throw into the towel. I brought her to, oh, guess you think this is it. So I go and did you bet I had to fight twice in one month, right? As I tell her, I said, why don't you go with me?

37:58I can stay there finally. I got some trading partners in Japan. I can roll around with a little bit. So the first fight goes against Suzuki. Peter Urz was there because he was just fighting also for the K1 and he came to watch it. I was the first guy to stop Suzuki at the time. But I remember when I need him and I hit him and he's go thousands of rounds. I'm standing in my corner. It's an eight count. And my wife is walking away. And I go, where is she going? And I'm going to go fight again. And later on, I go, what were you doing? She says, I didn't like it because I thought you were going to hurt her a little bit because I'm there.

38:32You know, you're going to do your extra very best to hurt the guy more. I go, no, why the hell would you leave? I'm standing there and I just see her walking away. Oh no. She thought you were going to hurt him more because she was there. That's interesting. And then by the way, this is also funny. We're doing the laundry. She's hanging laundry on the balcony in Japan and Tokyo. And suddenly it goes, oh my god, somebody jumped to the building. And I'm laughing and I think it's a joke. She goes, no, no, really. So I'm looking and then there's this, you're going to float like a really bad position.

39:04You know that the committed suicide. He just jumped. And then you see people coming by. They just kick him to keep walking. And then suddenly there's this little ambulance thing coming. They grabbed him up, put him away. But it was the wildest thing. So she saw him jump? She saw him falling down. Yeah. Yeah, that's a while. Way to go. Yeah. They say that every moment they jump, they know it's a mistake. That one guy who jumped on the bridge in New York. San Francisco. San Francisco. And he survived. Yeah. To the freaking, what's in the flipper brought him back up, right? Unbelievable. He said, you read it the moment you step up.

39:45And I, of course, you know, you're going to die. I mean, I had a friend who did that in San Francisco. And he died. He died. Yeah. Yeah. He struggled with depression for a long time. And then someone sent me a message that he, Tony, killed himself. I was like, oh, no. And I was like, how did he do it? And they like, he jumped off the bridge. I was like, oh. Yeah. That's about how, that's at least 56. Oh, long bridge. That's a big fucking drop. And you know, die instantly. I don't think either. Maybe you do. I see this commercials on TV with people that depressed in the early days. I would be, come on, man.

40:24Just think happy thoughts. That's what I literally had the idea to thought that. And then after my last fight, I had like a two and a half month period of depression. Which curious thing I had. Which fight? Which fight? There was after the 2006, the last fight I made, like after seven years it didn't fight against the Ruben -Falieri. Yeah. The beginning guy. That fight, your depression after that fight? After that summer, I think maybe because it was literally God letting me know you, okay, fight is over now. I was so injured. And I thought I was okay, but I was so injured. I couldn't continue fighting anymore.

40:54And I think, I don't know. Were you injured going into the fight? Oh, yeah. Everything. I'm stringing, my rip was out. It was, it was not good. But thankfully I got him. But enough to us, I think that maybe got in my head that I couldn't, that this was it. And I was literally on the freeway thinking, you know, whatever I drive my car against it. You know what I go? What? What am I thinking I go? And then I decided to make a list with all the good things in my life and all the bad things. And then you got to realize that the bad thing list is two things. Oh, yeah. And the rest is like, goes on, the good things.

41:28And I start to focus on, I don't understand. A lot of people, it's harder for them, you know, and they are going to need medication. I tried medication and, you know, like I was freaking out. I literally was thinking, if I wouldn't have had a family, I might have done it. It was that crazy. Did you get hit in that fight, bad? No. No. So did you get hit at all on training? That was bad? No. No, no. I never had an eight count. You're not even fighting. So I've never had, I've been very blessed. Yeah. So do you think it was just cycle? Because that is a thing that happens to guys with CTE. Guys that have had a lot of hits to the head, they start getting very depressed because their serotonin levels are all fucked up.

42:15And they say it gets damaged even when you don't even get knocked out, just your little jabs to the face. Oh, I, listen, I've been training with Peter, Pedro Hizo. Yeah. That's a fun guy to spar. Oh my God. You know, he got me on a body shot one time and I was looking at the clock, making sure that he could not see that I was looking at the clock. But he had me on a liver shot. I go, and then I start throwing on purpose a lot of crosses because somebody who was hurt this would never do that, right? So I was trying to convince him and thankfully he thought I wasn't hurt. And then the bell went like, dude, I looked at him.

42:46You're so happy that it touched me there like this. And I wouldn't have gone down. The liver is awful. It's worse. Oh my God. When people were saying when Ryan Garcia went down against tank Davis and people saying he quit. Like, okay, have you ever been hit there before? Oh, yeah, it's. Everything just happened. What is that? This is, where does my love for the liver shot come from? Yes. First Thai boxing class getting dropped by a liver shot. First class? First class of the Thai box, tough boxer, karate, what my hands are here. So as soon as they added punches to the face, you over commit. You go too fast.

43:26So you're exposing your body and I was training with Osmond, was his name most in the class A fighter already pro. And he figured me out really fast. And he dropped me with liver shot and I remember asking him, I go, what is this? It's terrible. I went home. I spent three and a half hours in front of a mirror. Three and a half hours. My wife said, you're insane. I would drink a little coffee, relax, go back to the mirror. Only this. I was not going to drop my hands anymore. And the next day I went back to the class and I just cleaned 85 % of the gym. And they go like, they thought I played a joke on them.

44:03I go, no, I spent three and a half hours in front of the freaking mirror. That was not going to happen again. I was a little obsessive -cofulsive. That's the champion mindset. There's the only way to do it. Yeah, you need that. You can't have a bunch of other options of things you can do. You have to be 100 % all -in -fully obsessed. I'm thinking about a funny story when I lived in that building. I used to live across the gym and I had a mixed, I have to mix myself. I had a Thai boxing match the next day. And my neighbors, there were stairs going up, left out of the apartments and right. I wasn't the right side.

44:40They were on the left side. So they have a mirror image apartment. So I know everything. What we have, it's a mirror image there. And they were playing into music really loud. And it was 10 o 'clock and I go, I'll let it go till 11 o 'clock, 11 .30. Okay, I'm going to go down and ask them. So I asked them really nice. They could please stop it because they have to do something tomorrow. They don't want to mention anything because they don't want to trick something. And they said, sure, close the door during the music cup. I called the cops and I tell the cops, I said, listen, this is 86a. My name is Bosworth.

45:12You can tell them that I called you. So use my name. But please, this got to stop because now it's like midnight, midnight 15. You know, it's, and I need to sleep. So the police comes. But yeah, also a little balcony. The still there is because the police comes. Music is down. I'm standing on the balcony looking at them. There was one floor behind me. And while the police leaves, they go, they're going, turning up. They're screaming inside and they stop blasting the music again. I go, okay. So I put on a cap. You know that I looked a little different, put on a jacket. And I walked out a town and the guy opened up and go, ah, what's up, funny time.

45:53And he goes, ah, come in, come in. And I'm walking, close the door, right behind the door. It's where the fuse box are. And I, in the hall of this different, in the hall of the like ceramic diffuses. And I, big, they look like spark plugs. Yeah, twist them in. Yeah. And I opened the thing and I just crushed, I've, I stomped the whole thing in like a holding the side of the door. I go, ah, the whole place goes down. And they came running into building. I go, I warned you guys. And everybody, but nobody came close. They saw my eyes. So the reason I didn't want to go there in the first place because I couldn't, my, my adrenaline.

46:27Well, I couldn't sleep the whole freaking night because my adrenaline was so rocketing now after that whole experience. Thankfully, I beat him. But, ah, but that was the day before the fight. Oh, my God. The day before the fight. When you, when you had the day before a fight, was there anything specifically you would do to try to relax or try to calm yourself or get ready? No, I, I, um, I always been a big thing. And then later on when I stopped understanding breathing better, you know, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the vagus nerve to stimulate that one or, no one I was doing that.

47:01Like I would be this was with, with, with the nerves. I use it with a low tone. I go, and I let my belly vibrate. Now, at the time, I didn't know what I was doing. Short inhales with longer axles actually stimulated in the vagus nerve. You know, and other ways to stimulate the vagus nerve are also by humming and singing. So I connected two of them somehow, but it made me very calm. If I had with a headache, I'd do it the same thing, but I'd go higher pitch sound because they're my skull vibrates. You see them? And that always helps me with headache or if I'm nervous with my body. So yeah, that's what I would do.

47:41I was just relaxed and we have fun. Video games, you know, only comedy. Nobody can say anything bad in the dressing room. We can't have aggression. Everybody needs to go right away. Get the guys asked. I remember my last fight at my nutrition was there and he wanted to hype me up. So he says, can I talk to you outside? It was just before, like an hour before the fight. He goes, listen, man, this guy tries to take food away from me firmly. He gets stuck right there. I don't need to talk. He goes, he goes, he goes, no. Because if I get angry, you don't want to get angry. Right. You want to be in control.

48:21So he says, it's interesting because some people do need that. Yeah, they need to get slapped in the face. Oh, far away from that. My opponent's already going to try that. Why would I do that? Did you see how I say try that? I said, I didn't say do that. Of course. Slip that in there. It is interesting, the difference psychology. If you are a coach, you kind of need to be a psychologist because you're dealing with all these different people, different ways. Like some people, they have amazing potential, but they're just not that disciplined. Some people you got to keep them out of the gym because they're training too hard.

48:52They're going to over train. Yeah. And I always found out that it's like, it's the one in the middle. It literally is. I think the guys with too much talent, they don't have the stamina to back it up because they're always schooling everybody in the gym and nobody gives them pressure. Right. And then, of course, if you have the guys, like the guys who are not really physically blessed, but still become a freaking champ, like Tim Silvia. Yes. I mean, if you see him, Marcus, those are inside the little bit. These motoric skills are not great. Yeah, pigeon toad. Freaked in world champion. And those guys are way harder to beat than the guy who's, it's easy for them because instead of, if I have to work for something two hours and they have to work six hours for the same thing to get to that point, they don't want to let they go.

49:42Those guys are the worst guys to fight. They're the toughest. So it always comes with something. And that's why I figured out in the middle, I know I have talent, but I'm not like a BJ Penn kind of talent. Right. You know, that is like exceptional. Three years black belt and then backing it up by beating three years. When's the Mundial? Which is insane. Imagine you meet a guy, you're like, what are you doing? Oh, I'm going to go take my first jujitsu class. Oh, good luck with that. Then you meet him three years later. What are you doing? Oh, just one of the world championships. And what? In the black belt and what?

50:16In jujitsu. What? Yeah. And what rank? Black belt. What? That's insane. Nobody even gets a black belt in three years. We can prodigy. I was a brown belt for eight fucking years. Yeah. BJ Penn was a special guy, man. When people talk about goats, I feel unfortunately they leave him out of the equation. But if you look at BJ in his prime, when he beat Sean Shirk, when he beat Diego Sanchez in his prime, when he was just smashing people, Joe Stevenson, BJ Penn was a motherfucker. Oh, I put that BJ Penn against any 155 pounder that's ever lived. Yep. And it's striking. It picked up so much. Oh my gosh.

50:59Oh, it's fast go me. Oh, yeah. Oh my god. Dint Thomas. Animal. He knocked down a lot of fucking people. And his jujitsu was off the charts. Yeah. Off the charts. BJ Penn was so fucking talented. But during that period when he was the goat, what happened was he got with Marvin Morinovich and he started training in saying cardio. The Morinovich's had him training cardio more than anything else. It was all plyometrics. It was all these facts. So they're like, you already know how to fight. Yeah. Like the problem is endurance. Let's give you the most insane gas tank. And then you go out there with so much confidence because you never have to worry about keeping your foot off the gas.

51:41Yeah. But what happened? You just sound like you were setting up that's when he won. That's when he won. Oh, he always won. But that's when he became BJ BJ the mother fucker. Yeah. I feel like if like you could get time machines together, I would take Khabib when he beat Con Mcgregor and face BJ Penn when BJ Penn fought Sean Shirk or BJ Penn fought Joe Stevenson or BJ Penn fought Diego Sanchez. Like that BJ Penn versus that could be holy. Yeah. That fight gives me goosebumps just imagining it. Yeah. Freakin' elbows. Just split the left over to Joe Stevenson's head. Oh my God. Yeah, that was blood everywhere.

52:24That was it. I don't know. Plus when you got him on the ground, like it does. I didn't know picnic. That's terrifying. BJ Penn was fucking amazing on the ground. Everybody says, you know, it feels like he's doing the 50 pounds when you roll with him. Well his legs move like arms. Yeah. He has the most insane flexibility and dexterity. Yeah, this is BJ in his prime. Oh my God. Boom. Boom. Sean Shirk, right now. Look at that. Dude BJ Penn, when he was the goat, when he was on top, dude, he was fucking unstoppable. He was angry too. It was the best. Yeah. Are they like letting, what is Mario Yamasaki letting that fight go, oh, it was the end of the round.

53:03That's what it was. Boom. Upper cut. Left hook. Check the timing on this knee. Step. Boom. And he's got those ruckus shorts with the black belt on it. Damn. Oh my God. And Sean Shirk was a fucking pit bull. Oh my God. Oh my God. He was on top for a long time. Oh my God. And he had incredible fitness. Yeah. I mean, Sean Shirk was so, he was like one of the first guys that had like unbelievable strength and conditioning routines. And you know, this is early days of the UFC's popularity. So it's like people miss that. And I feel like Anderson Silva is another one. When Anderson was in his prime, Jesus Christ.

53:43When Anderson knocked out V -tor with that front kick to the face. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. When Anderson knocked out O 'Kami. When Anderson knocked out everybody. Knocked out everybody. Force, push, push. The way. Oh my God. That was even. Yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of those guys that unfortunately they get left out of the conversation because people see them when they've, they should have quit. They should have stopped fighting. Yeah. That's the case with BJ. That's the case with Anderson. Yeah. People see them when they should have walked away and they just one more time. Or maybe they're getting a big contract.

54:20Maybe with the UFC's got them, they fight and they can make half a million dollars, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, a million dollars. And so, you know, it's it. But, you know, we all think about that short little, I'm very blessed because I got a lot of injuries. And that's why I stopped because everybody tells me, man, you were smart. You stopped at the end of your, at the peak of your career. I said, that was not me because I would have been a knuckle at the capital fighting. And eventually you are going to lose because you're going to fight guys who have your age. You know, they get to work out five times a day, five times a week full power you can't.

54:52You know, you have to really make sure that when you do your high outputs, because otherwise you're not going to make it. So thankfully I got injuries. And that's what kept my, my, my injuries before you won the heavyweight title. Oh, yeah. You had a bad neck injury when you fought TK. Oh, yeah. When you fought TK, you, your neck was so fucked up, you could barely roll. It was really bad. Yeah, it was Del Golar. It threw me on my head. I had a minute of a try and go joke. That freaking guy, man, he was so pretty good. Powerful, yeah. Yeah. Del Golar was a fucking beast. Oh, my God. In the corner.

55:28You know, so my neck is completely jacked up. Yeah. And that's, that's the same injury that got aggravated when you did, what was it? Did the sons of Anarchy, when you were doing that movie or the TV show? What was it that you did that wound up, you, you had to get the next, you know, lights out lights out. Yeah, the TV show. There was this moment that the lead actor, I'm going to beat him. And he says this is, that's not realistic. This is a boss, you know, he should come up at something. He, I do something of something illegal, whatever. Mm -hmm. There's other ways. There's no way I can beat this guy.

56:02And I said, what about this? I jump on your back, you know, I forget to put the hooks in and I slide off. I spike myself. So this is all made up. Oh my God, it's your idea. Yeah. And then, and then I'm dizzy, hit me in the throat, whatever. And then you want to do that? I go, sure. You know, you're invisible at that moment, you know? Mm -hmm. You think. And I did it twice and it was true. It was just this height that I just dropped. But I remember like two months later looking in the mirror and looking at my wife, I go, it's my arm getting smaller. And this is, and I wasn't using it because I had a lot of pain in the shoulder.

56:36And then I had to do an autograph session in Boston for the UFC, actually. It'd fool me out. And I went to the doctor and I said, I got to put a cordis on a shot and there's no way I can do this weekend, you know? And it put the cordis on a shot in there. And so I now could use it because before I didn't use it because it was hurting. And I couldn't lift my carry on luggage. Freak me out. I go like, whoa, watch out. My other hand, I lift, I go, okay. So it's my arm. Something's going on. I thought I lost all power. And that's what I realized. It was my freaking neck. How is it coming back now?

57:06Is it nothing? It's supporting muscles that doing it. You know, if I lift this up, you'll see, you see, it's all gone here, see? Oh, wow. So I thought that's crazy. But it was my whole arm was like this. It was a stick. So I got this, my steps is coming very slowly. It's coming down, but literally I started it to pound. I could have pulled a trigger from the gun. Really? Yeah. So going, listen, I used to do 911 on pull ups. Like people, I would do this in the subway with all the fighters. I showed the pull ups again, not stretch arm, but from here, I could like, nine modern pull ups. And going from that, not able to grab the freaking water out of the fridge.

57:44That was scary. That was very scary. And then I went from two pound curls, and I'm doing 15 now. And they say, oh, that's great. Yeah, over 12 years. So, you went from two pound curls to 15 pound curls. Yeah, but like I said, it's over 12 years. I got to do 45s, I have them on my left and then the little ones. I know you went to ways to well, and they gave you some stem cells. And you've done some stem cells. Where did you go before that? You got a Panama? I did Panama before all the way back. It didn't work anything for my neck injury, because apparently there's a nerve blocked, and it can unblock a nerve.

58:19It can only do so much. It's blocked because of the fused discs. That's not true. Nobody can find out where it actually is located. It's because it's like it's been such a long time that they simply cannot locate. They tried everything with electricity and holding. And it's stupid. Somehow they cannot figure it out. So I felt really good after Panama, like physically. It's not my cholesterol levels. It was bizarre. I went from two 20, because coincidentally, I just took like a blot as two weeks before I went to there. And when I came back, they did another blot as it dropped 70 points, 70 points in like 10 days.

59:03And it was because of the stem cells. It was the one say it was like 150. I go, what? There was two 20. It was really bizarre. And I felt really energized. I remember the person who told me to go there. There was through Mel. And his sister was talking about, she said, I feel energy coming out of my fingertips. I thought, that's a weird thing to say. But then after my third session, because she had four sessions in four days, I come and I go, oh, I know exactly what she's talking about. Because every morning I will wake up out of my toes and out of my fingers. For six months straight. Really weird.

59:40But it felt really good. Wow. Yeah. I've never done the Panama. I've done ways to well. And I did it in Santa Monica. A few different places have done stem cells. But it's healed injuries big time. I had a full length rotator cuff tear. And I went in Vegas. Dr. Roddy McGee shot me up with mezzan -kymol stem cells. And I went to a doctor. The UFC gave me a doctor in Los Angeles. And he looks at my MRI and he goes, you're going to need surgery. And I go 100%. He's like, yeah. I mean, he goes, I don't know how you're using it now. And so he goes, well, let me put you through some paces. Let me see.

1:00:22He goes, resist this. And I just resisted it. And he goes, he's like, resist that. And I resisted that. He's like, oh. He's like, okay, it's pretty strong. He goes, well, it's a matter of time. You're going to need surgery. So it might be better to do it now. Even though it hurts, you've got good muscle supporting it. And so that's the only reason why it's okay. So I got to shot up with stem cells. Six months later, I go and get an MRI. The rotator cuff tear is gone. Whoa. Full length rotator cuff tear. And Dr. McGee looks at me and goes, you know how fucking insane this is? He goes, this is insane.

1:00:59And this was like the early days of stem cells in America where you could kind of get away with more. They were doing some wild shit. And you got to go to Mexico now again. Yeah, yeah. Like Tijuana, the cellular performance institute, CPI down there that my friend Ed Clay and Eddie Bravel's been down there. A lot of UFC fighters have been down there, you know. They go to the excretion. Yeah, they fucking dose you. They hit you with a lot of it. And everybody I know that's gone down to that place. Well, I worked in Winsor World for the IV, right? And I had to say next day, I called him, I got it, my muscle aches away less.

1:01:42You know, it's just after one day. Well, there's a definite reduction in inflammation that comes with that, you know. But there's a lot of things you could do to reduce inflammation. But the healing thing is just incredible. And I really wish, I mean, the problem is in this country, you know, without just blaming people. There's too much regulation when it regard to that kind of stuff. And it's not because there's a lot of evidence that people get injured by stem cells. I feel like there's a lot of pressure on them because there's a lot of drugs that people take when they're injured. And there's a tremendous industry in those drugs.

1:02:17Tremendous industry in anti -inflammatories, is tremendous industry in the pain pills. And a lot of that would be hit hard if stem cells were openly not just like allowed, but allowed the way they are allowing them in other countries. You know, it's everything. And they don't want that. They don't want to fix you. It's fucked. It's really, well, I mean, if they could make it so that you have to take a pill once a month and that pill is worth a lot of money, and they can profit off of it, they'll be like, all in. Yeah. But this bio, I am just a giant fan of stem cells and I'm a giant fan of peptides.

1:02:54Yeah, me too. I always get peptides. Makes a giant difference. I'm trying to get your own body to make more. Yes. The best. It is. It's always better than a foreign substance in you. Yes. And it's incredible what they can do now. Yeah. And really, and we're really at the cusp of this. They're doing things now where they have stem cell eye drops for people that have eye injuries. I mean, the intravenous stem cells help with all sorts of neurological conditions and all sorts of issues that people have. Particularly when they go to, say, Columbia, the bioaccelerator place or Neil Reardon's place, which is in Panama.

1:03:26Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking, it's amazing what they can do now. So anyway, this, this shoulder, many years later, zero problems. Zero problems. I do just have some 90 pound clean presses with this. Jesus. And I do windmills with it. So I'm putting it in these compromising positions where I'm doing this with windmills with 90 pounds. No problems. Zero pain. Yeah. Throwing full punches, zero pain. Nice. No problem. Pull a 90 pound bow back. No problem. No issues at all. And this was that close to getting cut. And now it doesn't bother me at all. I mean, there's like nothing wrong with it. It's so wild, right?

1:04:05It's crazy. The wildest thing that I, one time I had was that I had a really, oh, the little pinkier sticker, because I hit somebody's hip like a karate guy, hit a hip. And it was before a fight. So I'm arriving at the, at the pancreas for fighting. And the, the, the, the judge was the judge was a really good, freaking body mechanic guy. He, I mean, everybody from around the world would go to that guy to have him look at him, because he was just really good with Tai Chi and whatever he did, what is the Equipration, all that kind of stuff. And he went to me and he says, okay, give me a hand. I relaxed it and he pushed on three spots.

1:04:44I was like, shit, shit, shit. He goes, not just, and he worked it out. He does it again. I go, okay, don't be so, okay. How is it now? And I go like, I go completely gone. Like zero pain, not even a hint of it. And he just opened up the pain blockages that he said, that he was pressing. And he was on the money, man. He said, go, I'll, I'll, I'll, and the second time was already less than the third time. He says, it should be good now. I got some weed. Right. Nothing. That's so weird. Yeah. Yeah. What is it like now to rely on your left hand? Because now you're thinking about, if you're gonna fuck somebody up, you're gonna left hand them.

1:05:21You're not gonna throw straight right anymore. Who, no, no, no, my problem. My price is, price was still work. Oh, no, I'm not you out. And my, my opposite of the scam, the punches is still good. The upper grass. The upper grass. Yeah, the upper grass, because of the shoulder. The shoulder also came back. Also the hook. You know, I sell people when I'm doing a shadow boxing. I said, don't look at my right arm because it's probably gonna be a little off. Look at the left what I'm doing. But now my crosses are there. So thankfully my triceps came back. Maybe in 12 more years. You know, full bicep.

1:05:51Who knows? Well, maybe less or more. If, I mean, if they figure out some way to fix, I mean, it's just like the medical advances that are happening are so magical. Yeah, it's really, really incredible time. It doesn't stop. This whole talk with Mr. Kakou you had, you know, with the quantum computers and all that stuff. Me too, Kakou. And it's all gonna be probably in our bodies, right? That's something like that. Eventually is going to happen. Yeah. What do you think about that boss? I'm very scared of that because they can hack me then. Yeah. I don't think you. I know that's all the time you go right to that.

1:06:30Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I would do it if I'm bad guy. I'm gonna hack him. That's a real problem. It's a real problem because that's what I think the people that control the world, it would genuinely like to have a one world government, one economy that the entire world shares, a digital currency that goes with the social credit system. They can turn it on and they can do whatever the fuck they want. B .J. Pen just made some post about that. If you have an electric car and you get arrested or if they're looking for you, they can literally tell your electric car to drive to the police station. Whoa. Yeah.

1:07:06Yeah. Fuck that. Yeah. I would never go full electric. I don't think it's, you know, if you have, get an electric but also get gas on the side. I have an electric car that I love. I have a Tesla and it's fucking magic. Yeah, yeah. It's the best. I needed that thing is magic. 2 .3, right? Oh, I have, it's faster. I think it's like, what is the, what is the, the plaid 0 to 60? It's fucking insane. It's 1100 horsepower. It's so fast. It's so fun. I mean, and it's so quiet. It's just like, that's my calm car. It's my car that I love when I just want to just, when I want to drive to work and just chill out and think and listen to music, I drive that car because it just makes no sound.

1:07:49That's super powerful. Super, and it, but it's very safe too in that. If you have to merge on the highway, you just hit the gas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's, it's, it's teleporting. I love that car. I love it so much. It's so good. There's a lot of things that they have a weird steering wheel, has the yoke steering wheel. So it's not a wheel, but now they offer it in a wheel. So they fix the number one problem I have with it. You still have to keep your hands on it for at least a minute, like, oh, to do auto driving? Yeah, because people hang weights on it, that's something I can't, I don't fuck with that.

1:08:19I don't fuck with the auto driver. Yeah, yeah. I mess around with it every now and then, just for fun. But I never let it drive me around. I keep my hands on it. You fuck around with it, Jamie, you got the full auto drive, right? You got that beta, right? Sometimes, you're in there, like not, just for like, yeah. If I'm on a 10 minute drive, I would maybe use it for four minutes of that 10 minute drive. It's not ready for prime time yet. I'm not, yeah. Yeah, I'm not fucking, yeah. But the thing is, the way Tesla's work, Tesla has the absolute most advanced auto driving that's ever existed. And they're getting information from all these vehicles and improving upon it with every iteration.

1:08:56So they're always getting these software updates. They're constantly working on it. These engineers are fucking wizards. Yeah. And they're making it better and better. And it does drive really nice, but I like that drive. Yeah, yeah. Like I drove my 1993 Porsche today. It doesn't have power steering, it doesn't have a radio, it doesn't have air conditioning, it doesn't have jack shit. And it's air cooled. It just, but it's fun. Oh my God. It's not even fast. It's so much slower than my Tesla, but my God, it's a visceral experience. Like your whole body feels it when you drive it. It's like, yeah.

1:09:32Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. Exciting. Oh, I love that stuff. I love it. Yeah, 93. This is when I started fighting. Imagine that that's how long I'm a freaking fossil. I remember in 90, I think it was 94 or 95. I watched Pedro Hizel work out at Beverly Hills, Jiu -Jitsu. And that was when I realized how hard someone can kick you in the legs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched him kick the heavy bag. And I don't think there's ever been, I've never seen a human ever in all my day. I've seen a lot of people kick. I've never seen a human kick harder than Pedro Hizel. Oh, he said, animal, because he's got technique and he's got the weight.

1:10:12And he's got these giant fucking legs. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, kick kick by him. It's not fun. He was kicking the bag. And I remember thinking, yeah, one of those. Just remember when he fought Rico Rodriguez, he kicked Rico once and Rico was looking at his face. What the fuck is that? I think thank him. Yeah, look at that. He spins on your head. He took a cut air. Pedro, his dance ever in fall until he stopped dance ever with leg kicks. I mean, his fucking leg kicks were insane. I mean, Randy Couture, when he fought him, like they had a really convinced Randy to fight him a second time. And, you know, he battered his fucking legs.

1:10:56Can't be the random in two. I'm telling you man. He knocked out Josh Barnett too. And it was a lot of that. His fucking boy tie. And he was Marco Huas's prize -proof people. He was his number one pupil. Pedro Hizel was the fucking man. He's another one that people forget. Pedro Hizel, his fucking leg kicks, man. And I'm telling you, when I've seen so many people kick the bag, no one has ever impressed me with a leg kick, a low kick on the bag like Pedro Hizel. Look at the size of his fucking legs. I mean, the tree trunks. And he just had this power that was, you couldn't take them. And this is before the calf kick.

1:11:33You know, this is early days. He was fucking people up with just kicking the thighs. As soon as he hit you a couple of times, it was just like, oh Jesus Christ. Like everybody was like, that's it. That's it. I'm done. I'm done. Please stop this fight. Please. Referees were a little bit more lenient back then. And this is a fight. I mentioned this happening to a person on the street. Oh, God. If you don't know what a low kick is, and you're not flexing. Well, Forest Griffin kicked a reporter. He has some deal with a reporter. So I'll do an interview with you. Let me kick your leg. Oh, I need to start holding him back.

1:12:10I need, he full power low kick. Put a hairline fraction in this dude's tibia. Oh. Was it a tibia? Is this a special humor? One of the major bones. We just had to assign some money to him. Oh, this is it. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, God. Oh, you know, this is... I didn't even kick him full blast. No, I don't think you can. I literally, you're going to break. It would be evil. It would be evil. Yeah, she... She had to suffer the treated for a hairline fracture of the femur. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Don't. Reporters. If someone says that to you, say no thank you, I would rather not interview you, sir.

1:12:52I'm going to... I suckers are striding with my wife. And this whole bus, people are yelling out at the bus, and this gets. And they stopped the whole bus, and they come out, and they want me pictures, and they want me to hit them. Oh, God. So I go, you know, and he goes, thank you, but they look at me like asshole, and I go, what is the look at my wife says? I think you have to hit him out. I go, he says, yeah, I go, come back. You know? Bones and he's going, oh, no. Oh, in this shoulder. Oh, God. And then I start kicking the crap out of people, legs. It's fun. But, you know, they were much happier.

1:13:29That's the weird thing. They want you to hurt them, because somehow it makes it... I don't know. I don't get it. I don't get it. Jason Ellis, let Chuck Liddell in his prime, punch him in the arm full blast. I think there's a video of that. That's not a small thing to do. Jason Ellis is a psychopath, though. He's crazy. Yeah, I think he's very funny. I think he enjoys a little bit of pain. There's something about that gentleman that's moved it off. Yeah, here it is. This is Chuck in his fucking prime, too. Oh, no. Okay. Oh, God. Oh! Yeah, oh. I don't... Yeah. You're just trying to sound a Jason getting in our hood.

1:14:09That's a f***ing... Yeah. In the arm. And did you see Chuck's... He wanted to go. You saw his... Yeah, he's going to get... He gets crazy when he hits it. Fucking s*** gets dirt on him. Chuck... That's another one, Chuck Liddell in his prime was a fucking monster. Yeah. Because he could take it. Yeah. He could... He could take a shot in the chin so good that he was just f***ing weighed forward, almost daring you to hit him and just f***ing... Yeah, yeah. And then when he would win, he would... RAH! It's making an exciting game, man. It was crazy, man. He made the UFC. In 2005, when the UFC became popular, it was popular because of the forest griffin that the big final bit between Stefan Bonner and Forest Griffin and the ultimate fighter made the UFC.

1:14:54Yeah, 100%. Everybody watched on TV. They were like, what is this? This is wild. But then you got to see the champion. Yeah. You got to see Chuck Liddell when he was a f***ing... But up Chuck Liddell versus Bob Ballouc. If you could find that. He was hunting people. Yeah. He was hunting people. And he was a wrestler that never wrestled. He never used his wrestling in the octagon other than to get up. He just wanted to f*** you up. You know what I mean? And he was really good at it then. And trained by John Hackelman, who's old school. Just old school. That place that he had in San Luis Obispo, the pit, where he would make these guys do it.

1:15:30He was like the originator of all these crazy workouts with wheelbounds and sh**. There he is. Oh, f***ing giggins. Chuck Liddell, man. People forget. He was a f***ing monster. Because he was a big tall, light heavyweight. He was a huge guy. Crazy power. And you couldn't take him down. His wrestling was incredible. And Bob Ballouc was tough as f***. Bob Ballouc was another guy, elite, elite fighter. Bob Ballouc was a f***ing animal man. There's a crazy Bob Ballou soccer kick knockout of this really thick, muscled guy. Forget who the dude was, but Bob Ballou cracked him and then soccer kicked him.

1:16:11And it's, oh, see if you can find that. See if you can find that. See if you can find that. You've got to get Bob Ballouc's props. Because Bob Ballouc was another guy, a guy that people forgot. There it is. Is that it? Yes. I forget who the guy was. So he gets it. Yeah, it's right before that. Boom! I mean, with wrestling shoes on back there. Yeah. Because they would let guys fight with wrestling shoes. Brad Kohler, was that who it was? I forgot who the guy was. I think that's Brad Kohler. I think that's Brad Kohler. Who was another tank. God damn those early days. Those early days were wild. They're crazy.

1:16:48When guys fight with wrestling shoes on, which is very interesting. Because you could do so much more with movement and with that grip from the wrestling shoes. I just had an event that was asked me for a student of his for karate combat. So I went to show and he's already there. I go, whoa, this is two months ago. They already allowed you. I go, yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. But you can see that he's trained by eaves, you know? But eaves, that's also one of those guys that you should keep an eye on. Oh, yeah. The one knockout that he did one time. Josh Thompson. The jumping knee when you had to single leg.

1:17:27Did you ever see that? Yes. I always thought my students, I go, if somebody has a single leg on you, imagine you jump up with the same leg that you jump and knee him in the face and then land on that same foot again. Yeah. You freaking, Eve pulled it off. Yeah. Eve was a leap, man. Yeah. Eve was a leap, man. So here, oh, this is, this is the Josh Thompson kale. And this, by the way, this is when Josh Thompson was one of the best in the world. So it's in a scramble. They break loose here. Josh Thompson gets up and Eve catches him right here. Oh, and I remember that. With a jumping round kick. And then Josh Thompson was the first guy to ever stop Nate Diaz.

1:18:08Yeah, yeah, yeah. Josh Thompson was there. Same kick. Yeah. Head kick. Head kick of Nate Diaz. I had a, I was with Eve at an underground fight somewhere, you know, the Atlantic mission commission would come in first. And they said, okay, there's not going to be, they made up the story that's going to be just wrestling. Two guys are going to roll against each other. And as soon as they left the building, they closed the doors, is they okay, everything is on. And then the real fighting started. And I remember I was standing next to the cage and he's on somebody and he said, because I'm in a corner, I trained him.

1:18:39And he started, he's hitting the guy. It was just crosses, crosses, crosses. Like, so Eve's, and he looks at me and go, left to the right straight. And he goes, boom, bang, out. And he goes, I see you don't want to waste any energy. But he's always funny like, he goes, oh, just bomb, bomb. That's the nickname now. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bust with the Sass, bomb, bomb. I had the story with Marco Horace. We go to Eve's networks in Houston. And there's this cup I'm drinking a Heinegger outside. And there's little coppers there with, with shades on in the middle of the night, you know, exactly with the pumped up, black arms.

1:19:11And he's telling me to get rid of my beer. So I say, sure. So I start drinking the beer. He says, stop drinking, stop drinking, stop drinking. But I finish it, I throw it away. He says, I told you to get rid of the beer, I say. And I just did everything. And he's like, you want to know what Eve has? And he's from Holland. Like, that's different here in America. Well, it is with drinking. It is. Yeah. But anyway, the guy was angry and he left. It is an outside event. And there's a fence in between, wherever this. And the cop now comes over. He's sitting shotgun. He has his arm hanging out the window with still with the shades on.

1:19:48His partner's driving. And he's just that locking me in the eyes. So I moon him. And Marco, who else stands next to me? And I go, because they start running out of us. They say, never get a run. And then we just, we be like the next day, we wake up. And Marco has his whole finger. It's like, all bandage up. And still till this day, I don't know what happened. And I said, I said to him, I say, what did you do? He goes, you did that. I did it. But he never said what it was. But you did that. I did it. But he didn't tell you what he had. He did not do it. He did not tell me so. He didn't want to incriminate me.

1:20:24Maybe it's too dark. Oh, this is the flying game. Boom. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, that was a lead XC, right? Yeah, that was so bad. I was getting, but was fighting on the same show. Yes. And that's right over there. He was crazy. That was interesting, right? Because that wasn't that CBS. I think it was CBS. It was CBS, yeah, which was like early, early days. And they took a wild chance. Yeah. And that's when Kimbo had become, he was like the first guy to become popular from internet videos. Gigantic. Yes. I mean, I will, we will go to freaking, if he go to a different state, they like to play video games, so we will buy a console somewhere.

1:21:04And, but you can't walk on the streets with that guy. Yeah. Everybody knows him. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, the crazy look too. Yeah. The ball head with the beard. He looks so good. And best, but everybody wants that too. Oh, nice. Such a good guy. The whole group that all up to rise. Freakin laughing all day long. It's hilarious. Those guys are crazy. Who funny? He fought that cop from Massachusetts in that wild fight that was a bare knuckle boxing fight in a karate dojo. Yeah. Do you remember that? But the guillotine that you played the bus. Yeah. Sean, Sean, Sean, you won the U .S. Sean Ganon. Sean Ganon went to the U .S.

1:21:44for a brand new hinkle. Yeah. And he got beat up. Yeah. But didn't he win before he was the wild card or something that the U .C. before? I think so. I think. Oh, I thought the Kimbo back in the day. Look at him. What did Kimbo die of? You had like a heart attack. Heart attack. Heart attack. Yeah. It's crazy. Because he was pretty young. He was in his 40s, right? Yeah. So this was a brawl. Yeah. This is back when Kimbo was the man. Everybody's terrified of Kimbo. But Sean Ganon, who was an MMA fighter, was also a cop. It was just fucking incredibly tough and had wild cardio. And really knew how to extend himself in a real war.

1:22:25And this was a crazy fight. The end of it. Oh, he dazed him. Yeah. Sean Ganon's, they ended this. His face was completely hematoma. Yeah. So he got this guillotine. And they said they couldn't fight in the ground. No, no, no. But they didn't say anything about standing up. There was a lot of dispute about whether or not that was OK. Why they blur now at the back of his shirt? Probably a middle thing. This is something logo is that. They probably got trouble for marrying. Probably. Yeah, why don't you let this go? So this guy goes, look at this. Is Kimbo's people, there's trying to separate this.

1:23:01Because there's like some dispute as to whether or not a standing guillotine constitutes grappling. So then Kimbo gets him on the ground. Now Kimbo's violating the rules because he's trying to ground a pound him. And Sean pushes him off. Sean gets back up to his feet. And then they go back to war. And so they were giving them 30 counts, not a 10 count, but a 30 count. Because at one point in time, oh, that liver shot. Oh, that was nice. That was a nice liver shot. And especially because he's soft, though, it's a lot. Yeah. Bill Spence has that. He could see it. He's hurting from it. He's hurting from it.

1:23:38He's trying to shake it off. Yep. Again, again. There it is. There it is. Yeah, it's the liver, the boss root and special. Boob, boob, boob. Yeah. And so this fight went on for a shit. I don't know how many minutes. Yeah, I love to. Fucking crazy. And to pace. Yeah. And so when he knocks him down, he drops him. And so Kimbo goes down and then they start the count. They separate him. They pulled Sean off of him. There's a lot of people involved in this. And then they give Kimbo like 30 seconds to get bigger. Look how long they give it. Play this out. Play this out. So they separate him.

1:24:1817, 18, 19, 20, 21. Oh, look, Sean's face is so fucked up. They're blurring his face. Look how fucked up his face is. And he gets back up. Oh, come on. Yeah. Yeah, it was over. It was over. Crazy. The early days. No, it was what it is. Nobody is. See if Kimbo was around now in bare -knuckle boxing. Oh, he'd have a place. That would have been his freaking jam. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting. Houston Alexander's made a resurgence. Oh, uh. Houston Alexander's one. He used to do four fights in bare -knuckle boxing. And I think he's 50. Jeez. He's a fucking judge. And he's a radio DJ. He just won.

1:25:1251. Sorry. 51. 51. Houston Alexander, man. Whew. When Houston Alexander burst onto the scene in the UFC, he was starching people. 51 -year -old Houston Alexander survives. Brutal rib roasting remains undefeated in bare -knuckle boxing. Incredible. And Houston, when he first fought in the UFC, God, what was his first fight? Was it a... Who did he fight? It says he knocked out Keith Jardine in 2007. That's right. Pulled that fight up. Houston Alexander versus Keith Jardine. Because Houston Alexander was a fucking... And this is 2007. Think of that. Think of that 16 years ago. He's fighting MMA. And when nobody had known him, nobody knew who he was.

1:26:00And he was a radio DJ. And everybody was like, look at this guy. They all bejacked in muscular, but fucking incredible power. I mean... Oh, yeah. And he got tested too in that fight.

1:26:21Yeah, but in the clenched, look at this power. Wow, nice. I like that. Oh, that was a cut. This was a big, big upset at the time. Oh, I remember this. Yeah, I remember that. Brow. Houston Alexander versus a fucking man. Yeah. He fought Kimbo in the UFC. They had like a decision fight, but it was a crazy war. Look at that. Houston, motherfucking Alexander, you have the problem. That's been used too many times. Yeah. My name was Houston. Look at that. Jack, he was. Yeah. And I'm amazing. It looks a guy from the actor. Oh, common. In John Wick. He's a rapper. Yeah. Yeah. In John Wick 3 or 2. Yeah, John Wick 2.

1:27:05Yeah. Houston Alexander. Yeah. 51 years old. I love running down. Yeah. He's basically my age. Bare knuckle boxing and winning. Look at that. Amazing. Still a bad motherfucker. Houston Alexander remains undefeated in bare knuckle boxing. Man. That's amazing. You were amazing. Yeah. Oh, show him a marathon. Yeah. No one knows how old he is. Yeah. Because he was born a cuba. He might be 100 years old. But the coca leaves. But that guy, boy, the fucking athleticism that guy had. Everybody that fought him said hitting him is like hitting metal. Yeah. And it all say he's using it. They always clean.

1:27:48I love that. Well, he was a part of the Cuban program. And so no one really knows what they did with him when he was young. Oh, for real. Yes, here's the thing. I've told the story before. Unfortunately, I'll tell it again for other people who haven't heard it. He got, he fought for the UFC. And then they brought him to a doctor. He had a fractured orbital. And they brought him to a doctor. And the doctor calls the UFC and goes, where did you get this guy? And he goes, yeah, he's amazing. Right? He goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. I've never seen a human being like this. He goes, the tendons in his eye are three times larger than normal.

1:28:27He goes in his orbital fracture has already started healing. He goes, this is insane. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what the fuck they did over there in Cuba? Because I think they took some pages out of the Russians like when they created Alexander Corellin. Yeah. Because Corellin. I forget how to want the Corellin. Who's there's a photo of my gym out there of Corellin. And I put that photo up just to remind me of what a pussy I am. Because it's Corellin and his teeth are running. He's lifting this guy up in the air. Find that photo of Corellin. Because it's fucking wild. That photo. I have a giant photo of that in the gym out there.

1:29:01Look at that motherfucker. It's scary. It was like six to 300 pounds and he moved like a cat. And he was famous for hoisting people up in the air or fucking slamming them on the ground. People would lay flat on the floor. And he would still, you know, suplex him. Go to Alexander Corellin highlight. Yeah, because they were just terrified. His wrestling was so different. Because he was killing you with the ground. Yeah. He was smashing you with the ground. He was basically beating you up with the ground. Yeah. Everybody else was trying to wrestle though. He was trying to pound you in the ground.

1:29:35I mean, undefeated up until he fought Rulon Garnier. Look at this. The athleticism this guy had. It was crazy. Look at this size of that motherfucker. I'm a drag. By the way, the idea that he's clean is just shut the fuck up. Just stop. Just let that all go. Who cares? Just look what's possible. Look what's possible with Russian science and technique. Obviously the technique was stellar too. But the training, the discipline, everything. Yeah. And this guy was a motherfucker, dude. Look at that. Boom! And these are 270 pound men. Big men, heavy weights. And he was so fucking terrifying. Amazing.

1:30:21What happened with the rule of Garnier thing? He, I know he beat him, but it was something. It was a new rule. The new rule was its Greco -Roman. And the new rule is if you could separate the grip, it was one point. And he set Rulon separated his grip. Oh, okay. But that rule didn't exist before then. It doesn't mean anything. They gave him a point for that. I guess it's because there wasn't enough points being scored in some of the matches. So they changed this. They didn't change it for Rulon. They just changed it in Rulon 1. And Rulon was another beast. Listen, that history is like a plane crash.

1:30:54Everybody's dead. He swims through the shore. Is that what he's all about? Oh, dude. He almost lost his foot. Frostbite, everything survives. Everything this guy. That was a different thing, right? The Frostbite was a snowmobile accident. Oh, I thought it was from the swimming back to the shore. I think, I think crashed. With Rulon, the thing was the, so Rulon was also an enormous country -fed motherfucker who was a hell of a wrestler. Hell of a wrestler. And he went off to fight him pride. Remember? Yeah, but that's what I mean. I helped him with Ryan Parsons. That's why I was in the corner. That's where you heard these crazy stories.

1:31:29Yeah, and that was 0 -0. And then Rulon got him to separate the grip at one point in time. And that was it. You find it? Yeah, I think that was it. That was it. That was it. You just won. And then they come back. He's up 1 -0. Yeah. Interesting. Right here. They went to the tape check about his grip here. So he gets.

1:31:53Oh, right there. He just just changed his hands.

1:32:08That's crazy. That's crazy. And that's a great Jeff Platnik doing commentary. Yeah. Good guy. Nice. The nice. It's so nice guy. The nice instrumentals. Yeah. Also into rules. All of it. Big John. Yeah, instrumental also in bringing credibility to the UFC. Because here you have this guy who's this Olympic wrestler, this elite wrestler who is embracing MMA and talking about how important it is. Yeah. And this is what they would do. They would flatten out. It's Gardner with hanging in there in the clinch. Yeah, Rulon, like you said, he's a freaking animal too. He's a special human being. Why don't you go to your Olympics?

1:32:47You know, you're freaking one point in Rulon Gardner, gold medalist. Wow. And then he went off to fight and pride. And when he was fighting and pride, he was jabbing people. And just fucking hitting him with that giant canned ham fist of his boom. I'm just thinking about the karate car who won the gold medal by getting knocked out. Remember? The last Olympics. Yes. Imagine you wake up and you say, well, what happened? You put a world champion to it. Because in karate, you're not in the Olympics. You're not supposed to hit him hard. But he popped into it when you saw it. It doesn't make any sense.

1:33:25He just tried to combat, tried to have those guys fighting full contact in the karate combat case. So unfortunately, yeah. So this dude, he went right into that kick and he lost because of that in 2020, which is insane. I mean, it literally makes zero sense. Insane. Yeah, because he dipped into it. Of course. There's 100 % legal. 100 % and look at this. He's got the COVID mask on too. That's crazy. Remember that crap? We're never going to forget those stupid masks. Oh, I was so happy we didn't do that with our gym. Yeah, that's nice. I just taped everything off. Yeah. And then we just let everybody go on the inside of the backside.

1:34:07And not one at COVID. Wow. Everybody's rolling into gym. Everybody's doing it. Just be freaking healthy. We relied to. Yeah. It wasn't something that was terrifying and dangerous to fit people. It just wasn't. Yep. It was dangerous to people that already had comorbidities. 94 % of the people that died had some massive comorbidity. Multiple comorbidities for some of them. It's just, it was a strange time. And obviously there was a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on right now. If you go and try to think about what should have been done or shouldn't have been done. But most people that were healthy should have been left alone.

1:34:48That's it, especially with the ventilator stuff. There's a lot of people died there. Oh, that was another report that just came out. Yeah, yeah. The ventilators, the people that died in the ventilators died from the ventilators. Yeah. It's a giant percentage of them. That's, they shouldn't have been put on the ventilators. And this doctor was saying that they put, they put people on the ventilators to protect the hospital staff and the doctors and the nurses. Because these people had COVID and they figured, well, we'll just put them on a ventilator. And they didn't realize they were like destroying their lungs.

1:35:14But how I still feel this day, I can't get it. So there's a lot of people need to be in on it that right? Even the doctors? I don't think they were in on it. I just think that they didn't know what was going on. And then there was, yeah, I mean, there was also people telling, you know, there was the Fauci and all these people that were telling people that this was this horrible, devastating illness that was going to destroy everyone. And no one was safe. You have to get vaccinated. No one safe, which is crazy. Yeah, especially if did you get it? Did you get it? Never got COVID at all. Oh, I got COVID, but I've remected it.

1:35:48It was five days it was good. I was, I had no problem. And I've been traveling every, we went to Budapest we did everything for the, the current combat shows. But that was the, I don't know if you ever saw the show with the background with the people flying. We go back in the future. We go, we go in the past. We go to the roots of Okinawa. It's all because of green screens that we had with the unreal engine, you know, that they created. And now it's live because in the beginning, they couldn't do live shows with it. So that's recently, till like three years ago, now you can't do it live like the Mandalorian, you know, Blade Runner, they all use that, those movies.

1:36:23And now that's the technology, the current combat uses, and now it can be live. So before it was life to, to, to tape, you know, and everybody had to shut up. Nobody could save their one and lost. You know, they go stop betting. Well, there was definitely, there was some MMA fights where the results were available, but the public didn't know about them and people bet on them. Yeah. Yeah. I had heard about a bunch of those. Oh, look at this. Wow. Wow. That's incredible. That's amazing. Yeah, they all put the green screen. They did it, Ben. Wow. We're doing a really good job. How many events do you guys have in the year?

1:37:08Eight to 10 this year now. Yeah. Yeah. The chairman. And then we've divided president, Kovache, who used to be Gold Medal winner on the Olympics, 2009, not the Olympics on the World Championships in 2009, I believe. And he's gathering everybody together. But then you see that, you know, the Ruffa L .A .Gaia, you know, for Raymond Daniels, it would suck, but it put Freken, Karate on the map. Nobody would have expected that. And the same way you saw with Joshua Kweigh, he can get knocked out by Ebrahim. That was the guy who was only doing point -finding. And now the guy that you just saw kicking the guy in the face was this very first full contact match.

1:37:44The guy never fought full contact. Oh, wow. So he just came straight from point. So these guys are doing Freken phenomenal, you know? I always said that that was the one thing that was missing from MMA. Before Michael Venom Page entered, I was like a really elite point fighter. The way they can close distance is so different. So bad. That's incredible. Yep. Their ability to blitz and leap forward, like those guys are so accustomed to doing that against other elite black belts, like fainting, fainting, fainting, fainting, fainting, fainting, fainting, and they dive in for a regular fighter, an MMA fighter, maybe a plotting kind of a guy.

1:38:22Like they're sitting ducks. That's it. But you can see Wonderboy, the Oto Machina. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a different level, man. Yeah, that's a different level. White stands and they're still moving really. How long Wonderboy is still fucking winning? Still winning. I mean, what a cleaning there was. How old is Wonderboy? Is he 40? He's got to be 40, with the fact that he beat, you know, Kevin Holland, who's a mother fucker. The way, like finding, he was standing here and he finds a kick through the guard. I mean, his timing is bizarre. I just did a seminar with him and it's far too late. What is it, Ken Tucky?

1:38:56Someone feel Ken Tucky. That was, that good people, man. Is he makes you feel good all the time? Is he in North Carolina? Is that where he is? South Carolina? South Carolina? That's where he is now. Yeah, those guys, man, what Wonderboy, the first of all, Kevin Holland did the craziest thing in that fight. He agreed to not go to the ground. He's like, let's not go to the ground. Let's just stand on the fight. Okay, now he doesn't have to think about takedowns. Yeah, all good. What do you, this is not what you want. This is not what you want. That was not a smart decision. No, it was Kevin Rendon, who took me in the elevator before the day before the fight.

1:39:33It opens up and I'm by myself and there he is. And he gets in and the door closes and we can see. Is he really here? Oh no. And I go, something. He goes, I'm doing good, I get good. He says, listen, if you promise to keep your feet on the ground, I won't take you down. So if I wouldn't kick him, he won't take me down. I go, I go serious. Yeah, I go, let me think about that because I'm just laughing at his laughing. So elevator goes open and I say, okay, good luck tomorrow. He goes, yeah, you have to say elevator close. So the first to win the fight and the first thing he does is slapping his thigh like kick me and I go, like, wait, wait, wait, you just said.

1:40:16So my plan was not going to kick anyway because against the rest of like that, if I kick he's going to grab my kick and that's it, right? So as soon as he me invited, I thought, oh, I got you. I'm going to make, I'm going to act like I did a roundhouse kick and I'm going to turn it into a front kick. So if he thinks it's a roundhouse kick and he's going to shoot in, I'm going to kick him swear on the face with the front kick but my heel fights over by the big battle boom, I won. That was the game plan. I did a workout like that. So as soon as I made the kick, he backed away and I go, wait, he backs away from my kicks, that's not kicking.

1:40:50And then the second kick I threw it through there. Yeah, that was the fight we said, you won that fight primarily off your back. Yeah, go so he's just lay on top of a guy and you were smashing with elbows and punches off of your back. Yeah. His son just won the Nevada championship this weekend on Saturday basketball. Yeah, I was posting about that, the basketball team. So that was really cool. Kevin Raneman was such a freak. So athletic. When we knocked out Mercow Crowcomp, dude, crazy. And then the second fight right after that, the Suplex is a failure of a million ankle. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, it's just going to happen.

1:41:29Oh my god. Yeah, yeah. Of a failure, man. The fact that he like seconds later, catches a minute on bar. Yeah, kind of a little more special guy. Oh my god. Fator was, you know, when we look at goats, he's got a buddy in there. He's got to be in there. There's no one. I think John Jones, if you want to say who's the best ever. Yeah, God, it's hard to argue with John Jones. Yeah, never lost, beat everybody, fought everybody, smashed everybody and then goes up to the heavyweight and makes it easy. Yeah, I mean, obviously you can't do MMA math, but if you look at Francis and Gano Haddle, a long fight with Cyril Gahn and John Jones just took him apart instantaneously.

1:42:11In seconds, yeah. You know, he's an animal. He's a, and he's super talented. This is a guy that if he stays straight, like on everything, also the outside fighting, you know, he's got to be very hard to beat. He's got no patterns. Right. He doesn't have any pattern. It's constantly switching. It's like hard to figure a guy like out that out. I was training him. I was interviewing him before a fight in an elbow curky and they flew me over inside MMA. And he says, what are you doing afterwards? I said, I'll go to the hotel. I'm gonna eat something. He says, man, can you train me for an hour? I go, sure, yeah, I would love that.

1:42:46So we're on the focus mix and I let him in the four shots and he goes, I say, go faster. You're faster than this. I go, pop, pop, pop. I said, dude, go fast. I said, just think this. Just think that in your head. And he goes, and he stops and he looks at me go like, dude, I go, yeah, because this is how I work with sound effects. If you keep him high pace, your body will automatically trigger and you're gonna be that fast. I go, dude, so two weeks later, I have Greg Jackson on the show and he's walking in on inside of a man. I go, Greg, what's up? And he goes, I'm doing good. He said, what you been doing to the gym?

1:43:22I go, what do you mean? He says, everybody's making this stupid, crazy sound effects. I said, are they faster and more explosive? He goes, yeah, I go, you're welcome, dude. LAUGHTER Where did that come from? Is that something you just invented yourself? I always did that. You know, I put combination only reload punches. There's a beat. So if I say two and across hook, will be two and then across hook. So, pop, pop, pop. That's the first in my mind. It's already. When I throw a combination, it's immediately in that fight with a pattern. So with three shots, one, two, three, and then a lever shot, cross, tatatata.

1:44:00Tatata, that's in my head, right away. Pa, pa, pa, pa, pa. And that's, I always been doing that somehow. It's really weird. I got this crazy, crazy student. He's the lead actor of Knight Agent, the chair about that new show on Netflix. It broke at the top five of... Highest Fewers Ever from the top five. So it's big. Gabriel Baso is his name. And his great actor was in Hillbilly, LG. He was one of the main guys there. He was, the story was about him. But anyway, this guy is a freak. Like he trained two and a half months with us. Yes, he had some experience before. But when you give him instructions, he immediately does it.

1:44:43Like, given James is like one of those guys. But then this one is, like when I came home, my wife said, how is he? I go, he's me, but way better than me. And the way he hits the first time I told him, and I saw him, I said, if you get in the street fight, do not hit the person in the head. You're going to kill a guy. I mean, that's how hard he hits. 185, he juxtapized my arms, I'll put it. It's like Baso. You know, but listening to instructions, immediately does everything you say. So he's on a movie set for 10 weeks. And he calls me and says, hey, I'm going to be home in between before I start shooting the movie to the Netflix show.

1:45:14I have like 10 days, I want to fight. I hear him training. He says, I'm a little bit on the back. I go, you sure you want to do that? I say, yeah, I just want to know how it feels. I go, okay, so let me face some phone calls. So I make a phone call, I got in contact with George Francis. He's owning a Thai boxing company. And we find a guy for him, he's 7 -1. He's a tall guy, 7 -6 -5. And I say, you want to do that? He goes, yeah, yeah, sure. And they already ask me, are you sure? Because he never fought. I said, listen, man, the guy is a freak. But I don't know how he's going to perform under pressure, but that's always the big question mark.

1:45:47But it looks to me since he's an actor and since you know, he's dealing with pressure the whole time, I think it's going to be okay. But you never know, but I think it will be okay. Hold on, listen. This is the fight. Yeah. So he comes up with this song. The tatatata.

1:46:10The Atlantic commission lady goes like, that's a stupid song. And he goes, hey, hey, while he's walking up, hey, that's my song. Don't talk bad about my song. He's like, completely like, whatever. This is very relaxed. Yeah. And I tell him, I said, what do I do? I say, go left to the head and across to the body. Oh, there's the liver shot starts. This is just, this is the very first time that he fought, right? So I, I said, I'm watching the show, left to the head, who's underfeed it, seven and no. Left to, and then he throws your left to, with a cross to the body.

1:46:46And he comes from a movie set. He didn't train a lick. You got to know that as well, right? I mean, he hasn't been sparring. And the second time was training, the second day training, he broke his hand. I've very hurt his hand. No, I wanted the cross to the body.

1:47:05It's coming, boom. There we go. Right, so, so now he gets an eight count. And he's looking to me, what do I do? I go, do the same thing. This is the hook cross to the body. And then he just, once that connects, yeah, that guy afterwards went like, I'd never been hit like this. Boom. It is funny if some people just have natural power. It's very weird, isn't it? Yeah, but also without, like I said, without training, never been in there, just want to do this. I go, dude, are you sure? And then his right hand, he hurts on the second day of training, which by the way, he had only seven days. There he goes.

1:47:48Yeah, this is it. Wow. Just cross to the body. Power is a strange thing. It's like you either have it or you do not have it. He just did that. I just saw him post yesterday something. They have these bars that you grab at the fingers. You know, those flat things, you have to build up 86 kilos. He lifted. So it just with grip strength. It's flat, the bar, right? He said like, one 90 pounds. What is 86 kilos? Yeah, that's around that. I don't know. That's crazy. That's crazy, right? That's crazy. He just does it. And then he's a drummer. And a crazy drummer. Then he's an artist. He makes drawings.

1:48:23Well, this agency gets a phone call from some art gallery saying that he could be the next big thing. So he's just a guy who could do anything. He can do anything. Wow. There's people like that out there. Oh, yeah, and a bunch of them. Yeah. You don't even know. Yeah, I know. That's what's wild. It's scary. Maybe the alien. Well, that's where I got used to an Alexander just slips in the mix and knocks out Keith Chardine. Yeah, fuck this. There's a lot of those guys out there. There's guys out there. There's freaks out there. Yeah. Isn't that a great thing about life? It is a great thing about life.

1:48:56It's an interesting thing about life, though. You would never imagine, you know, you'd never imagine that certain people have certain skills or that certain people just, they have an ability to learn things. Do you believe, you have to, right? And he's already living among us, right? There's a lot of aliens. Now we're talking about it. Yeah. Now you're talking about language. No, because why can't they like freaking Joel Romero? You're talking about that, right? Three times bigger, the different things. I don't think he's an alien. I think he's a product of a sports program that's very elite. And also, there's genetics.

1:49:31There's incredible training. There's a lot going on, but I don't think the aliens are even remotely interested in it. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. But if they live among us, there's got to be freaks, right? But they cannot expose themselves. Because otherwise, everybody would know. Maybe that's John Jones' secret. Maybe he's an alien. Yeah, he got us. Maybe Mighty Mouse is an alien, too. Yeah. I don't think so. I think, I mean, I think if there are aliens amongst us, they're watching us to make sure we don't blow us up. That's 100 % yeah. Especially, but that's why to hang out at the nuclear sites a lot, right?

1:50:07Yeah. I've had so many conversations with people that are asking for it. Yeah, Ryan Graves. That was a nice interview. Very interesting, right? But the cool thing was, you know, because that's when I put it together with Mr. Kakuda, you had also, but they were talking about when they would, right, the aliens were already waiting for them. They knew exactly where they were going to go. And I go, that's quantum computers. He was talking about that. There's no more secrets. Yes. You see, so they're already way ahead. I mean, if they're just a thousand years more advanced than us, just a thousand.

1:50:36Yeah. Yeah. Oh, impossible to understand what they're capable of. And now, now maybe a million years. Imagine if they're a million years more advanced. Yeah, yeah. No, that's what I tell people. We, our age, we saw, I saw our TV change from black and white to color. Yeah. From 12 channels, you have to press the button and turn the orange, like click. Yeah. You know, 12 buttons. That was that remote control. Oh my God. Yeah. You know, and then we will go, I was pretty much a university. We will go to other people on the outside, you know, they're watching TV and we will change the channel. And we thought it was hilarious and I just started getting the TV.

1:51:10I mean, and then the phones and the cell phones. I remember the first time there was an answering machine. I was like, this is the craziest thing. Yeah. You can call someone, leave a message. Yeah. This is nuts. Yeah. I had a voice dialer. You know, there's things you say, home. And then you hold it against the phone and go, and then it would call. Oh, yeah. My body's going like, oh my God. I said, they're going to have this in a phone. She watched. He goes, oh, I got that going to be phoned without a 100%. I said, they're going to have this in there. I guarantee you that. That has to be. You know, yeah.

1:51:41That's crazy. Well, we're experiencing now is probably the biggest change in human civilization that the world has ever seen. And it's happening right in front of us just with the internet and then with social media and smartphones and all these things that have happened since, you know, the early 1990s to what we're experiencing now. I remember when I first came to Hollywood in 1994, I got a computer. My friend Robbie took me to Comp USA. Remember Comp USA. I have a move. Yep. And I had a computer and a dial up modem was a 14 for a motor. Yeah. Yeah. Took forever just to download text. Oh, just to watch text.

1:52:21Yeah. But I was like, this is insane. This is insane. We had to cover those 64. 64 stars for 64 ,000 kilobytes. That was it. Yeah. Played everything on it. Freak and Tetris. Yeah. That's not even a picture on a freaking phone right now. I know. It's nothing. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know, I remember in also 1994, 1995, I was a, well, Murray Smith was fighting for pancreas and we came in his hotel room and he had speakers in every corner and he had a computer. And I go, what's that? He goes to the computer. He says, it's going to be with now and 10 years ago, it's going to be the biggest thing ever.

1:52:56I go, that thing. He goes, just by my words. That's right. Yeah. He had speakers in his hotel room. Yeah. He had like connected speakers like in every corner. He had a speaker so he had a good sound system in his hotel room. Yeah. It's funny. You know what I have? Pelagons with targets everywhere. That's my hotel room. Pelagons? Oh, yeah. In Japan, you can buy these. When I travel to Holland, they stop me and they go fast. You put them, he says, this is the real one. And it put Michael XII next to it. And they go, OK, yeah. It was close. They're close. They're exactly the same. Especially because it's around me because it's plastic, you know.

1:53:34But I was really good at that because they always asked me, why did you learn how to shoot? They go, that's a little bit. In Japan, I would just shoot little targets. We would shoot the charter on the street, the guys, the fighters. We would only love to shoot the charter. And be low the waist. Be low the waist. Oh, god. But he would imagine the place. He would change like a different gun. How it going? Oh, yeah. Those were fucking powerful too. They were, those were OK. They were like little plastic balls. Did you see the guy, the samurai guy on what is it? Stanley Superhumans, you saw the show, right?

1:54:07When they shoot the pelagon at him and he, with the samurai sword, he cuts it in half. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, you see that in slow motion. So the guys, I think it's 500 feet a second, the gun shoots. And he's just standing with his sword. And as soon as the guy shoots, you see him cutting it and he freaking hits the ballad. You look it up. OK, we'll find that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look at this. There we go. That's insane. How crazy is that? That is insane.

1:54:41By the time they moved the sword into position, the pellet would have traveled past that. Wow. And then he finds the pellet sliced in half. Dude. Yeah, this people like that out there. This is over and over and over and over again. There's this guy who comes to pick somebody up for an interview and he's on a tandem and he's blind. What? And he picks the interview we up to Stanley Superhumans. Oh, yeah. He's just. Heck of a location. Yeah. And they bring him to a different city. So he doesn't know anything. They put him like in the front of a phone booth. And I'm not talking a phone booth. I open up and you see the phone.

1:55:24He goes, that's a phone. I go, OK, that's a car. That's a trash can. That's a smaller car. Yeah, just by making sounds. Dude, so people out there, man. I love that kind of stuff. Putting plates to your head. Did you see that? A ceramic anything. Doesn't matter. Doesn't need to be metal wood. With his mind, he can wrap. Grab anything and attach it to his head. What? Yeah, it's also Stanley's. How? He said his mind will trap it. And then he does it with ceramic plates. It's this. It sticks to his freaking forehead. It's not a trick. It's not a trick. No, this scientists are literally going after him.

1:56:08But it's the same as Joel, Joel, Joel. Let's just name. Greenstein. Did you ever hear about him? Oh, dude. The mighty Adam. No. You never heard about the mighty Adam. No. Hallelujah, man. This guy. 130 pounds. Strongest man in the world. People go, yeah, right. Six of 12 pennies. He'll bite in half. Bite straight through. You're going, ah, it's not true. No, no, no. He has dentists. And doctors, they're writing journals about this guy. Because it's impossible what he's doing. You give him a horseshoe. And he says, what size, uh, where the formula one have it? The question mark he goes, like, he says he becomes one with it.

1:56:52He can, he says, I just become one with the metal. He just bows bent in the front of his face. What is his name? Joel, uh, greenstein, the mighty, the mighty Adam. So what is this from? He stopped the plane. 1928. Yeah, around here. The. He's fighting. This is in the time of the Nazis game and the propaganda. And this was in New York. And there's this article about him, a newspaper article that the police says, we came there to save the crowd from him, not to save him from the crowd. Because he was tearing those Nazis a new, a new one. Wow. Good. Started wrestling with left Poland for the United States.

1:57:32Yeah, I'm going to try to find it. It's just a bunch of articles about them. He bit through nails, broke chains and held down an airplane with his hair. Yeah. So about a guy tried it. He freaking died. His. His fault by six men sent them all to hospitals. That's the handily beat up 20 Nazi sympathizers. Wow. Dude, they shot him in his forehead like a 22 because the guy was in love with his wife and he wanted this wife. And it didn't penetrate the skull. Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's something. There she is. This is at the very old. I don't know. He's going to do this. I'm talking. I have audio.

1:58:14I think the nail is to the lumber. That's examined it. He uses his hand to put the nail in wood. Whoa. What's this? He's bending nails with his teeth. He bites through him. Look. What the fuck? Dude, I read his book. I said, clean living. No smoking. No alcohol. No squandering your life. Nights by playing cards in stuffy rooms. And keep oxygen out of your lungs. And inhale, monoxide in the oxide. And get cancer out the lungs. And also weak heart and heart attack. And kaput. Whoa. Weird. Dude, his book, it's insanity. You go, there's no way it's as possible. And it goes to a dentist and he checks out his teeth.

1:59:13And what he's doing, he bites the metal thing that he's in his mouth. Bites it in half. The guy writes about that. What are you going to do against a guy like this? 135th. Well, there's people that are just built different, right? Yeah. I mean, you've got to think. These guys with big noses, little noses, guys with little dicks, giant dicks. People that are built different. Yeah. There's a big spectrum of people that are built. That's what I like. How you go from noses to dicks. That's what it is, right? It's like big brain, small brains. Some people's brains work great. Some people's brains are just like the dog shit.

1:59:49I mean, that's a weird thing, you know, going back to power. Like why people have power? Like you can't predict. You can get a guy who's like first day of classes and you have him hit a heavy bag and you just go, Jesus Christ. What the fuck is he doing? How can he do it? And then you have someone who looks athletic and you have them do it and they just can't generate any power. It's very strange. You saw that guy who goes dressed up as the maintenance guy to these big gyms and he's like a world champion powerlifting but he dresses up like he said. The guy who just works there. No. And he starts telling, oh, there's a hilarious, there's bodybuilders, you big giant guys that says you do it wrong.

2:00:30You should do it like this. They go, dude, you're working. Man, look at me. Look at this muscle. And then the little guy just start bench pressing with their weight. What's this guy? That little guy. Yeah. Oh, so he's wearing that outfit to kind of hide his physique. Hey, heavy life. You open up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:00:51He's got it. He's training. Yes, you can actually do it. What's up guys, welcome to my channel. This is an anatoly on YouTube. I didn't know he had a big YouTube channel. I was just saying, oh, yeah. So he's a big time powerlifting. Oh, yeah. And there's nobody stronger in the world than powerlifters. That just doing those cleans and presses and the full body exercises. Look at that. It does a few times. And he's doing what slides on. It's fine. Oh, that's hilarious. That's all people. They're form is bad. It's my favorite. Yeah. He's doing hammer curls with a hundred pound dumbbells. Look at that guy.

2:01:38Look at this. The bar is bending. That's insane. Anatoly on YouTube. He's got 16 million views. Oh, Jesus. Oh, on that video, yeah. Jesus. 1 .86 million subscribers. 16 million views on that video. That's nuts. See guys like that. Yeah, there's guys out there. Yeah. Yeah. They got to watch out. Yeah. Because you have to be fighting as well. Yeah. And then you make an statement against the wrong guy, right? Chris Horadeski. Imagine that guy on the street. Right. Hey, baby face. You want to go? Right. Right. He was Horadeski. This is a perfect example, right? He was such a cute guy. He went to the international fight.

2:02:21He remembered his organization. It was one of the coaches there. Sean Tompkins. He said, watch him. And he fought a guy from Hensel Gray system. And he got to his kid. He says, just watch. He was like, he'd teach him. He was like, oh, yeah. And he's just a nile. He's like, I'm gonna give him an instance favorite. Because the baby face, you know? It's like, like just a freaking killer. When you see a guy like that, you wonder. Like, he was so young when he fought in the UFC. Yeah. I wonder, like, maybe if he got in the amateurs longer, maybe if, you know, they set... Like, one of the problems with joining something like the UFC is that you are in with the leader, the elite.

2:03:09And if you keep winning, you can only win so many times before you're going to fight someone who's a motherfucker. And if you're 20 years old, unless you're John Jones, who fights show gun for his, you know, 22 years old, he wins the World title, becomes the youngest ever UFC champion. That's, but that's so rare. That's one. So many guys get ruined. Yeah. Because they weren't really quite ready for that level. And unlike boxing, where they'll like get you ready for that by exposing you to different styles, exposing you to, you know, this guy's long and lanky. This guy's a body puncher. It's Egos.

2:03:47And it's managers. Now you're listening to your manager and it's a good manager for you. He will do it the right way. Right. But otherwise, if they look at the big money, they go, like, I fight like a robber for like $100 ,000, I go, if you lose horribly, you'll never be back. Just know that. Yes. Yes. If you get a guy to, like imagine if you were training today, training people today and you got a young guy, would you want him to fight it? Here's the other problem. If you want him to fight in other organizations, boy, there's some murderers in these other organizations that people don't even know about.

2:04:20These assassins, like I'm sure the PFL has them. I know Bellator has them. I know one FC has them. Yep. I mean, there's some stone cold killers over there. Yeah. Just finding a lot. That's what I say. And if you're for the pressure in the beginning, you know, don't tell anybody you're going to fight, do it out of state. So then if you lose, you don't even have to tell people. If you win, you can say, I just fought and I won't. I think that's the best way because I think it's very hard for a fighter right now with all the pressure on the social media. You know, they don't want to, they don't fight for themselves.

2:04:49They fight for the people. And I think that's a big problem to have. You know, you don't need to, don't give a crap about anybody. If you just care about yourself, only in fighting, of course, you don't want to be a douche. But if you really master that and I think that I at that time, that was it. People say, why do you think it works? I said, because I fight for me. Yeah, but for your family, I go, no, not for your family. I said, no, because that's too much pressure on me. If I fight for me and I just only about me, I don't give a crap. And that means I will fight at my best. I want to say, fight at my best, chance I'm going to win as far.

2:05:22I'm very high. And then my family automatically is going to be taking care of, right? Right. So once you start putting, oh, I got to win this because otherwise I can't do this or can't do that. That's a bad one. Well, it's not a good thing to focus on. The best thing to focus on is your performance. To focus on fighting, focus on technique, focus on, yeah, the flow. It's everything. Where did you develop this mindset? Did you figure it out on your own? Did you learn any of it from other people? Well, I absolutely didn't have it in Thai boxing. Like they always said, it's the great kickboxer from Holland.

2:05:53Yeah, I know a lot of people are, but it wasn't pretty. I was just very blessed with genetics and I just, but I was, I was the dojo fighter. So I was really good in the dojo, but I couldn't put that same game on the pressure yet. And that changed the first fight in Japan because, yeah, because I think it was my, I was a hothead. Like, what is it? Nine knockouts, eight in the first one, one in a second. That was all knockouts in, that was in Thai boxing. And I realized if I go to Japan on the day of the fight, I found out there was freaking, he was 32 pounds heavier than I was. I didn't know there was no way classes.

2:06:29And then I found out there was only one round, but it was 30 minutes. I go, shoot. So I figured that if I explode in the first three minutes and I can't put them away, well, I got 27 more minutes to go. So maybe I got to calm down. That's when the R started coming on my hand from relax. It was co -incidentally rustic, that's the Dutch word for it. And that's, and I remember my very first fight. Tell people what we're talking about because you talked about in the other podcasts, but you used to write an R on your hand. For rustic. But it's co -incidentally such the words are saying, relax. And that's just because at my corner, because I never had a coach, I train myself.

2:07:07So if I would get hit, the only thing they showed, stay calm, stay calm, because I'm a hothead, I want to bring my cry away. And I remember the very first time, it was the wildest, it's almost like I had two voices. One is the voice who's wants to finish it. Finish it. Go ahead and for the kill. And the other one says, oh, take your time. Take your time. And it was this thing that happened. First of all, I started fighting and I heard everybody speaking to the American people who were sitting there. I knew what they were talking about, which was real already. Just before the fight, this is like a lily understanding for my opponent.

2:07:41Why would I hear all these people? And then we started fighting. And the first thing that happens, I kick him in the head. And as soon as I plant my foot, I blast forth. And he was six -three. So I hit him with a palm strike, knocked him out. He's on the ground. Now the crazy stuff happened. So I want to rub, because it was an eighth count. I want to run to my corner, because once I'm in the corner, that means I give him less rest. That's when they start counting. But something in me told me not to do that. And this is really wild, because it was almost like I wasn't in control of that. So I wanted to go to the corner.

2:08:16And then this person said to me, because I saw his eyes were open. He says, no, it was way more important to step there, give him a bit, look at him. And then turn around, walk very slowly to your corner. Because somehow, this is what the guys, this is what I got. That will be way more intimidating for him than for me running to the corner. Right. And while I'm walking back, I'm thinking, go faster, go faster. And it's no, just go calm. And then you see me hanging like this. You're your own coach. It was the wildest crazy. It was freaking all over the place. And then that one person, whatever was said today, stay calm, stay calm.

2:08:53We're just relaxed. And I'm like, you see me hanging like nothing. It's all an act. If you pull the fight up, it's like, we just want to run to the corner. And then I just look at him, give him a beat. And I walk very slow. But like I'm saying, there was this inner thing going on. It was just bizarre. And that was it. And then from that moment on, every fight I was like, wow, I do feel better than in training because everything would slow down. It was an experience. It was just in house. Sometimes a very high pressure moment will open up like a new level of your ability. That's it. Yeah. The bubble.

2:09:27That's what I call it. I'm in the bubble. And it's like only allowed the things that want to come in. I allow. And for the rest that I don't need, I'm not. It's the most peaceful feeling. And now I know why I read the stolen focus book for you on Harry. You know, that's a really good book. And he says, you know, it's because in fighting, my mind would become. Because my ADD, I'm all over the place. I have six conversations going on while I'm talking to you. I mean, it goes really, it's probably hard to control. But in fighting or in training, really hard sparring, it's completely. That's gone.

2:10:01One focus. Because if I don't focus, I'm going to get knocked out. So fighting to me was always a very comfort thing to do. It was so relaxed because peace finally in my head. And yeah, that's it. And then I used the ADD just for my workouts to go crazy and crazier. But then again, you know, it's great to have. But once you stop fighting, that's the trap, right? Now we're going to replace that good feeling. And it's probably alcohol or drugs. And that's where everybody goes down, including me. Yeah. For so many fighters, it's very difficult to find your identity after your fight. Because for fighting, fighting is your whole thing.

2:10:39It's everything. It's everything. And the only thing also, that's the problem. You don't branch out. Oh, you have a lot of fighters who start already branching out before there are champions. Oh, I'm going to say, don't do that. Focus on that first because everything else. Well, once you start losing, they'll be gone. Yes. You need first, what made you really good? Focus on that. And once that career is over, go to the next career. I'm not saying like when I came to America, I started acting within three months. I started taking acting classes because I knew eventually I was going to need that.

2:11:11Yes. Yes. So I thought maybe it's better to be prepared for that, but just didn't say to anybody. Yeah. The transition is very hard for almost everybody. It could because fighting requires so much of you. I mean, especially you're fighting the UFC, you're training probably at least twice a day. You're involved in recovery, you're monitoring your food, you're doing all sorts of different things to try to keep your body healthy, massage and sonas and all that chance. And then it's over. And then you're 35, 36 years old. You realize like, I can't do this anymore. What am I going to do? What do I do?

2:11:52And one of the things I admire the most about it could be. You just said that's it. I'm done. At the top of the game, my mother doesn't want me to fight anymore. Yep. Good for you. Amazing. Yeah. Undefeated, you know, just says I'm done. That's it. And it could be the only one. And 50 years from now, who did that? Smart. Yeah. There's very few guys that have ever done that. In boxing, it's Andre Ward, you know, retires at the peak. And you know, when Kennello Alvarez knocked out Kovalev, they offered him Kennello Alvarez. And it was quite a bit of money. And Andre Ward, who's a brilliant man, said, I think I served boxing better by retiring.

2:12:32Could you look for him? By staying retired, being a commentator. But, man. You know, he's a guy that fought most of his career with one arm. Do you know the story about Andre Ward? Andre Ward tore his shoulder apart when he was very young. And they just, they didn't do surgery on it. And so because they didn't do surgery on it, it never got better. And so he didn't get surgery until he was a world champion. And his shoulder was fucked up. Like, he really beat everybody, Carl Frotch. He beat all those guys with one arm. Geez. Just fucking left hooks and jabs. And he occasionally threw a right hand, but his shoulder was so fucked up.

2:13:05I think one of his major, one of the major tendons was detached. So like the shoulder was like barely there. Sort of like TJ Dillshaw. And it is his last fight. TJ Dillshaw's that fucked up shoulders forever, long time. Yeah. Yeah, but you think his, so his opponents didn't know at all that was the best gap secret? I don't think people knew. You see, that's, that's, that's, that's very, it's important. Because if people wouldn't know, you see how that changed the game. Immediately. Yeah. But it's wild how they go. You see, just by knowing that. But then again, you have other people like if we get in a, a Ronda Rousey, that, oh, what's she going to do?

2:13:42Arm bar me. Yeah. Okay. Good luck is stopping it. Right. Doing it again. Yeah. Yeah. They're so good at one thing that you can, you know it's going to happen, but you can't stop it. Like patch and glory throws that left kick. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's guys that are like that. They just have this one thing. Paul Sass used to fight in the UFC and he strangled everybody. He was always triangles. Is he always won by, I mean, he won a couple of times by leg lock, I think. But his whole thing was triangles. Everybody had to stay away from his triangle. And it's like, how is this guy going to beat everybody with a triangle?

2:14:15He figured it out. Paul Yarris. Yeah. Paul Yarris. Yeah. Unfortunately for that guy though, he didn't want to let go. Yeah. It's a crazy guy. Yeah. Oh. Against Jake Siel's. He's not hitting him. Yeah. Yeah, because he's got a lot of power as well. He's a tank. Yeah. I mean, he was like 5 '7, 185 pounds. Yeah. It's like fucking. It's crazy when you talk to him. He's a very soft spoken. Yeah. Very quiet. I think Eric Kitekeke was. I was felt like that was. When I would interview him, I always felt like that was almost fake. Yeah. Like the calmness was all coming. Like this fucking hurricane going on.

2:14:49That guy's mind. Oh yeah. He had a horrible existence, a horrible childhood. His childhood was very, very, very hard. Yeah. Living in a state of jungle, right? Yeah. I mean, he lived at very, very poor existence. And that's why he has that horrible scar across his chest. I mean, he got cut open and never really got medical attention. Cut open, huh? Like, stand on something. I don't know what happened. Right. A movie about that guy. But he had that huge scar across his chest. But Paul Horace was uniquely terrifying because he knew that not only was he going to leg lock you, but he wasn't going to let it go.

2:15:22Yeah. And he was going to be like, I mean, he fucking even did it to Jake Shields. He got Jake Shields in a, in a, in a Camora. Yeah. I was there. And we didn't let it go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary because guys like that can really, that's your career. They can ruin your career. You're in your career. You're knee. I mean, that's it. That was the guy with, I did the hillook because I saw the hillook a day before on a, on a big screen. Really? This is how I got my fifth degree of leg belt. That was an honorary leg belt. I'm with John Blooming, who is the highest guy, Jean Nexto Masoyama in Kyu Kishin.

2:15:55He's got the 11th degree. And we're standing. We see this big giant. This is a preview for the fights for the next day in Japan. Giant screen on the side of a wall. And I'm, and we go hybrid wrestling, pancreas we hear. And the first thing we see is me knocking out my first opponent. Oh, just the preview. So we're looking. And I see this guy sitting in half guard. Grapes, he keeps the foot and he falls back. And I say to John Blooming, I go, that's a cool move. I gotta remember that. Next day I'm fighting. I'm in that position. So I go, might as well try. So I grabbed it, but I never did it before.

2:16:34So I had no clue. So I grabbed the hillook and inverted hillook. Think about that. And I just fell backwards. Yeah. Broke a shin freaking in half. So first we heard the clack, cock. So I let go. I think his knees blowed out, right? Because that will be it. And the referee's asking and he's feeling his knee and he goes, no, I'm good. Well, what happened was that his shin must like have snapped because that's what we heard. And then he kicks me with that leg. Oh, God. And I just put my weight in it and then you see it bending. Has anybody ever come back from that shin snapping? I mean, Tyrone Spong would never really kick box again after that.

2:17:11Anderson was never the same after that. Chris Wyman still hasn't fought in MMA after that. This reason is that you turn over a kick. I always say this to people. I'm trying to figure something out here. Like, okay, say, imagine this is the shin bone. I tell this to people, right? It's straight. It's very hard to break like this. Very easy to break like that. Right? Much easier. This is thin. This is really thick. That's your shin if you think about it because it's like this on your foot. Shit. So if you hit it with the flat part, you know, like a Tyrone Spong, he's kicking really fast. Joe say, although kicks really fast, but I always said it before he got to watch out because if you have somebody checking that kick, he's hitting with the flat part of the shin.

2:17:55Sure, it's fast, but very dangerous when you connect with something solid. And that's how he broke a shin bone. Right. You got to hit it on the edge. That's why you buy four. Ty's are doing that because they're lively hoot that if they don't do it, they're freaking going to break the shin and that's it. It's interesting because you don't think about that when you think of your shin. But if you think of your shin, the part that you really kind of have to turn it over because the part, if you have it, if your leg is pointed straight, your shin, the flat part is on the inside. That's it. And if you throw it without turning it over, that part will snap.

2:18:31Yeah. Yeah. And if you have a stance like I have, like I'm the open stance, my toes are pointing 45 degrees. This might, this might check. Yeah. And I'm not even moving back. Right. I'm just doing this, keep my body weight in there. Right. It's going to feel to you like you hit the freaking wall. Yes. Super solid block. And then if you kick wrong, that's it. Oh, you lose. The Eryahaw Chris Wyman won. Oh, scary. Oh, because Chris Wyman just throws full power. We're first kick in Eryahaw who's an excellent striker. Just turns it over, turns it out and crack. We have an open stance. Grady Combat, we're in Greece.

2:19:08I'm commentating. Main event. Seven fights, 55 minutes was the show. Everybody got slaughtered. The standing open stance and the first guy to die from France, David Dorn, he gives me a full inside loquick. And I'm saying he should not do that in an open stance. Because in Karate Combat you cannot hit the thighs. It's below the knee. Right. So shin on shin. And I go, he shouldn't do that because this is how you break your shin. I say it two seconds later, he kicks against, snaps him in half. Oh, yeah. So you've had one in Karate Combat too. First show. Karate Combat, you can't kick your thigh? Not the thighs, you know.

2:19:47And I heard why not? Because this is the Karate rules that they have over there and it keeps the fight a little bit more separated. But this is the great thing. You know, because they were actually telling me, because you talked to him. He talked about this before in the show about Karate Combat not having the thighs. I really love the thighs as well. Also, I love knees to the face. Well, they are allowing it now. You just cannot grab, you know, but you can't throw it loose to the body and to the face. That's really nice flying knees. Flying knees. Yeah. But the great thing about Karate Combat is we're not the owners.

2:20:19The fans are the owners. You know what? We ever talk in the Karate talk and script occurancy. And you can come, this is another thing. It's up gaming. We call it. You cannot lose weight. You cannot lose. You put your tokens on a fighter. If that particular fighter wins, 90 % of those tokens go to you. 10 % of them go to the fighter as well. So they try to get a lot of much really cool. I like that a lot. Oh, I love it. And if you lose, you don't lose your tokens. You go, whoa, what's the catch? OK, Karate Combat Day decided that we, you know, for the first three years, we'll take that hit. Really?

2:20:58Yeah. So they want people to go engage and we don't say it. Like, Rafael Aguayo is the interim champion right now. And he is the interim champion because fighters, the fans wanted to fight against Raymond Daniel first before he fought Joshua Krayhagan. We listened to the fans and we do what they wanted to do. And that's it. So you, with you saying I want to have ties included, you can petition on the app. And you can say, listen, I would like to have tie. And if more people support you, they will allow this. Going to be a new rule that gets to the ties again. Get it on it, people. How cool is that?

2:21:35That's great. So they listen to the fans. They get 10 % of the fighters. And if a lot of people are betting, that could be really good for the fighters as well to get a little bit of extra dough. I really like the idea of a token that's attached to an organization. That makes me excited about crypto tokens because look at this. OK, all new karate combat app is now live. So this is how it works. Grow your, so it's a dollar sign and then karate token. Stash every time your fighter wins, climb the list. So that's a great idea. It's a great idea also that it goes to the fighters as well. 10%. If the UFC implemented something like that, I think that would be very successful.

2:22:12I think it's a very, very good idea. I think so too. Probably one of the most unique ideas that I've heard in a long time and in implementation of crypto token that I think is fantastic. It's the Wall Street guys who started this organization. And then you know, in the beginning, they are just study groups to find out who's the most. And they realized that the economy, Gregor, like two out of 10 people would know him instead of 10 out of 10. Then they realized Dragon Ball Z, 10 out of 10 would know that in that age group. And they go like, wait a minute, if we start combining the two, this is how they literally did that stuff.

2:22:45And then they say, hey, what if we do cryptocurrency? We can engage him on the app and boom, we got Dave in there. Dave is super. I don't even want to say that. I'm not going to say what I want to say. But this guy is no, though, he's like the top docs in cryptocurrency. And he came up with this idea for the karate token. That's a great idea. So that's a great idea. I really liked that idea because of a fighter. If a lot of people are gambling on them and they're winning money, you know, like, like when Israel, Adesanya fought Alex Baheda, I think Drake bet like a million dollars on them. Something crazy.

2:23:19And one, wouldn't it be nice? Oh, I think he was still favorite. Israel was favorite. But meanwhile, Baheda was putting it on him. He had the calf kicks. His ability to throw those calf kicks with no telegraph. He like lifts up the leg, boom. And he's not turning the hip over. But that's right. Yeah. You've got to watch out to that. With the same block again. Another thing that I really love from him, but he does. He doesn't turn his penches over. I don't do it either. I don't believe in this whole crap. You know, if it comes naturally, let it go. You know, but if you start focusing on it, a lot of people already do it here.

2:23:53You see his telegraphing. And once you start doing this, this is almost the same as an overhand. If I let you get used to this and now an overhand is a complete different punch. I can set you up way better by doing that. This is way more penetrating. Yes. And when you bring the elbow up, well, that's the thing about the head of the people don't give him enough credit for. He's very clever and very technical. Yeah. Because everybody just thinks about the power. His power. So extraordinary. But then you realize like he's not hitting hard all the time. He's not like a guy just like Melvin Manhoof.

2:24:24Yeah. Everything is hit. Yeah. Melvin was one of my all time favorites. Monster. Oh my god. Oh my god. Notking him out in one punch. And I think also the cup. Did you see that? I think I've the only one who caught it. I go, cheers. So he knocks up Mark Cunt, hunt, even flies down and Mark hits his head on his cup. Is he wearing a tag cup? A style cup. So I think it's a double whammy. I think all right. Did a punch was it, but it's a boom, boom. And then he goes down. I think it's crazy that they still let fighters wear steel cups. I think it's crazy. But I think it's good because like you shouldn't really be kicking someone in the nuts anyway.

2:25:01And if you kick someone in the nuts and you're going to shatter your foot because you're going to hit a steel cup. But they, so they won't allow it? The, the, you allow it. Oh, you have to. I don't understand people not using a steel cup. I don't know. Well, I mean, either that or I think the diamond MMA system is excellent because it's a compression cup and you can take a full blast shot to the nuts. Did you guys, it's, yeah, I'm not a full blast. But I, I, I got a really bad dick injury once from Jiu Jitsu from someone passing my gun. I swear you got it. He is passing my guard and he tried to slam his knee through to pass my guard and I, I wasn't wearing a cup.

2:25:41And he hit me right on the dick, not on my balls, on my dick. And it hurt like hell, but I just kept going. And then afterwards I went into the locker room and my jock strap had blood in it. There was a bunch of blood in my jock strap. I was like, oh, Jesus. And that pissed and blood was coming out of my dick. I'm like, okay. So I was like, do I go to the hospital or do I treat it like a broken nose? So what I did was I went home and I jerked off because I figured if my dick still works, then I'm not worried about it. And the the fucking, I jerked off into the toilet bowl. That's how gross I am.

2:26:15And this disgusting thing came out. I go, okay, well, let's see if it works tomorrow. I mean, I want to make sure it's not infected. It's too normal. And I never went up to do anything with it. But people are like, but that's your dick. I'm like, yeah, but if it was really, if I really was worried, you know, I mean, it's an injury. Yeah. Your nose is always bleeding, right? I mean, times you've broken your nose. Listen, I did the same thing. I'm standing at the end of the class. It just has a sparring session and I don't have teaching kids class. And I'm standing in front of the mirror pushing my nose straight because I got broke again in training.

2:26:47So this guy walks into his two sons with me and he says, hey, if you want, I can fix this. I go, what do you mean? He says, I'm a plastic surgeon. I can put a plastic nose in there. So I have a plastic nose here plastic. Yeah, plastic silicone. I can't break anymore. So he replaced this so it's not a boxing nose, but I simply can break anymore. Oh, so you have this piece here instead of being hard like mine is a silicone. It's silicone. Push it down again. It can go over. That is crazy. So I didn't know they could do that. Not me neither. And they did it right away. So that was it for free. I go, I'll take that.

2:27:24Wow. That's nice. So I never had my, it was out of place though in the UFC when I've called Randallman. It was on the side. Oh, no. That's when they asked me. That was literally because it was funny that I think the day before or the day of the fight, I don't remember that we were talking about the nose bone into the brain. Right. I said to me, it's bullshit. But then a friend of mine says to me, if your nose is already broken, then it might happen. Right. So this is my head. So now boss, your nose is broke. And then you say, I look at the big John, I say, do you believe that the nose bone into the brain?

2:28:00He broke that in his book. That's hilarious. And he goes, no, I saw a fucking off right. Yeah, I was always man about the, he right the nose, go ready to brain. No, but just because people they always say, I'd like to die in a case. Not me. I like my life. I'm very happy living. You know, I don't want to die. If there's a reason for possibility, I might die. Nope. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to think, the rich. Why would I? Yeah, why would you? So many people in the UFC, I mean, Justin Gateshie just got his nose fixed. He had a deviated septum and his, you think, but his nose was so closed off.

2:28:36What he would talk, you would, you would hear it like this. Yeah, he would talk like that. You could hear that his nose was always stuffed up. And there's so many fighters that you hear him talk. And that was me till I was 40. And I finally got a deviated septum operation that cleaned out my nose and I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. It was amazing. I used to go to yoga class and the guy was like, you got to breathe out of your nose. I'm like, I can't. He's like, you can't. I go, no, I can't. I can't. My nose is done. It's like this. Just like the inside of my nose was like cauliflower ear. Yeah.

2:29:08The same kind of shit because if you get it broken enough, the blood pulls up and it calcifies. So the doctor had to clean it out. And he showed me all the shit that he cleaned out of my nose after it was over. It was like a little cup. Yeah, Phil was just fucking horrible shit that was inside my, but afterwards, oh, my God. Freedom. I had this back almost like your Tesla. Anybody who needs that, please listen to me. Get it done. Get it done. Get your deviated septum fixed. I know six weeks. I know. But six weeks later, I was rolling. I was training again. It goes fast. But it was just the difference.

2:29:42My cardio was up by 10 % like immediately. Yeah, yeah, everything becomes better. Calmness. I could smell. Calm down. I couldn't smell shit. You could fart my face. I didn't know what was going on. Yeah, and before that's a problem. Oh, food is a real problem. Yeah, if you get smell the wine, I had that one time for like a couple of months. You couldn't smell anything. You could blow smoke in my face. Whatever. And then you don't taste the steaks. No, nothing. The red wine sauce. Nothing the wine. Oh, this is a very expensive bottle of wine. They don't give it to me. They don't give it to me. It's a waste.

2:30:10I mean, yeah, just give me the alcohol. What percentage is that double debt? Bring it back. Yeah, man. The nose thing is such a problem because noses are so vulnerable. It's such a soft, stupid thing. Yeah. Do I have that right in the middle of your face where you get in hit all the time? It's in training. Is there training? I never had it in fighting. Well, Randallman. Randallman's punch this day, he was hitting me as sliding over my face. So he hit it completely out of the socket. You know, that wasn't good. And the other thing that wasn't good is that I lost a contact. I have bad eyes, like minus five and a half.

2:30:43Like if I'm sitting in front of you and you look down, you face a straight, you look like I can't tell. You know, so I was always wearing contacts in the fight. And then one ice, I lost the contact and at the other, I was filled up with blood. And then I'm upside down the whole time on my back, swallowing the blood. That's right. And you see me in the corner, I tried to throw blood up, you know, I was swallowing my own blood. That was making me nausey. Yeah. It's just annoying. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. But you know, when you look back on your career boss, like you, you were in my opinion, you were the first guy that I ever saw that was like a very high level striker that was entering into MMA.

2:31:24Because a lot of MMA striking in the early, early, early days was kind of, or the Orlando beat was good, but he was very small. Yeah. It was very small. He was like 180 pounds and he's fighting these like, he fought Remko Pardew. Remember that fight? Oh, yeah. Of course. I know, but this guy's a train, but the both of them. Remko got him in side control and just bring it out. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you were the first guy, like especially the Kosoca fight. Pull up that fight. Pull up when Boss Routin made his debut because they put a lot of pressure on you too, because the poster, the poster of the UFC for that event was the greatest martial artist alive.

2:32:01Yeah. And I said they messed up right there. I told them specifically the greatest looking. They pulled the word looking up. Yeah, man, I had that poster for the longest time. I don't know what the fuck ever happened with it. It was just the next UFC hit. Yeah, man. It was just your face. Yeah. The poster of that UFC event was just your face. It was badass. Yeah. This is boss. It is puppy. So for me, this is UFC 18. And this was Jesus. I don't think I was working for the UFC anymore. I worked for the UFC for UFC 12. To probably like 16 or something. 98. Yeah. I think by 98 I was already done because they were, because I never was there for one of your fights.

2:32:41Was I? Nope. I only watched it on television, but I remember watching you fight. I was like, oh, this is exciting because this was the first time we saw like a real elite striker. And again, I have to tell people, you couldn't even fucking spar. You couldn't wrestle before this fight because you had a fucked up neck. And Tio Shikosaka was an elite guy. He trained with Mori Smith. He was a very, very good guy. But this fucking, this final right here, this final barrage, when you won your UFC debut, I mean, that to me as an MMA fan and as a martial artist was very exciting. Oh, I had so much because John put it in his book as well.

2:33:23I walked back to the corner after the first round and I knew I was getting behind because I couldn't do anything down the fence because of the ground. It was hard for me because of my neck. And while I'm walking up, I see the word look on the guy's face and I go, I said, don't worry about it. I got him. I say, you just shout, when I have one minute left, I'll knock him out. And I turn around and big John stands here with a smile on his face. So he turns around and he's like shaking his head. He just hurt me saying. And then you go to the fight, he goes, one minute and 10 seconds later, I knocked him out and then big John gave me his shirt.

2:33:55Oh, wow. He goes, dude, that was the wildest thing. So he gave it to show that he was wearing in the cage afterwards. That's the picture. Look at that. Is this the next UFC heavyweight champion? Yeah, that was cool. Look at that. Make that a little bit bigger so I can read it. What is it? What is it saying anything? Look at that. Boss Routin. The world's greatest martial artist. Look at that. No pressure. Live on paper view. That was a big deal, man. The weigh -in was in the hotel review. You. The weigh was in the hotel room. Those weigh -ins were just ridiculous. And also the drug testing was ridiculous.

2:34:31Oh, it was nothing. It was nothing. What drug testing? It was nothing. It was crazy. What a fucking career you had, though, man. I love it. You're such an important part of MMA history. Huge, huge part. I'm very happy everybody's coming to me. They always say the same thing. What if you could have fought now and I go, I'm completely happy. You know why? Because all the champs you're going to get now, that's good. We're going to buy a new section. That means that can only be a certain group. We can never get bigger. Yeah. We were the guys who started it. That will be forever there. 5 ,000 years from now, we started it.

2:35:04Yes. That's cool. I enjoy that. Yes. Yeah. I mean, you were a very, very important part of MMA history. Again, because you were the first like really elite striker in the UFC. You saw guys who were good strikers, were solid guys, but you were a cut above. And it was a very exciting time. And it was also the time where you're sorting all this out. You have to realize if you go back to UFC 18, people were still sorting out. What's effective? What's not effective? Oh yeah. You know, this Mark Coleman came along and also, everybody wanted to be 265 pounds. Because he was taking everybody down some patch.

2:35:44Yeah. I don't know. Holding the hands. I'm going to start. Headbutts were legal. Yeah. Jesus. Headbutts, no gloves. When Mark Coleman fought Dan Severin, the first UFC in UFC 12, no gloves. No gloves. You know, they just taped up the base of the hand to keep your hand together if it broke. The story that I heard, because I talked to Ken, of course, because first time when I was fighting in Japan, it was September. And Ken was talking to me that he was going to do this crazy thing. Ken Shamrock. Ken Shamrock. I go, dude, because I was in November. I just was in September. And he went, did this thing.

2:36:23And then after I talked to him, he said it was hilarious. There was a moment in time that everybody was sitting backstage and they were watching the fights. And everybody was expecting that any moment now, the promoter could come in and he would say, okay, you're going to lose. You're going to win. You know, they, because they still thought they could be fixed because otherwise it's too crazy. And then they saw she asked, oh, they're kicking the teeth out from the silver guy. And they go, like, it's real. You know, it's about us. That was the reality check right there. The dressing room. He said, you saw, oh, everybody's demeanor changed at the moment that happened.

2:36:57And I think one of the most important things was that hoist one, because you got this guy who didn't look the, I mean, Ken Shamrock was fucking jacked. He was just jacked. He looked like a UFC champion. He looked like whatever one was terrified of. And hoist grace, he tapped him. And he was like 175 pounds, a skinny and wearing a key and everything's like, what is going on? How is this possible? Yeah. I was going through all my magazines because I wanted to clean out that take out of the magazines, make pictures of it because otherwise you have to wait for many magazines like these Japanese badass magazines, but you have to fight.

2:37:33You got like eight pages of pictures. And they have the best pictures. And one of the magazines was hoist on the cover, you know, and he's, they're lifting against arm and looking his eyes. I actually made a picture and I sent it to him ago. Whereas this guy, you know, because freaking violent. Yeah. He just won. No smile. He's like, freaking kill everybody next. That was badass, man. And didn't have a lot of experience doing that. Yeah. It wasn't like he had had a lot of MMA fights. Yeah. A lot of no rules fights. His brother Hicks and did. Yeah. Hicks and fought a bunch of them, but Jesus Christ.

2:38:08Yeah. That changed martial arts. Everything. Everybody thought. 19a3 changed the fucking world. Yeah. Change the fucking world. Yeah. We all thought the kickers are going box. Yeah. Not crazy. I know. I remember the first time I watched it, it was like there was two big revelations for me in my martial arts. One was going from Taekwondo to kickboxing and realizing how easy it was for me to get punched in the face. Yeah. I was like, oh my god. Because I thought that I was just going to kick people in the face and not come on conscious. I was like, these guys aren't even that good at kicking. Yeah.

2:38:40Because I came from this elite Taekwondo. And then I was getting this fucking battered in training. I was like, oh god. Maybe reassess and then leg kicks. The leg kick one was like, oh fuck. And then the next one was Jiu -Jitsu. My Taekwondo teacher there too. I came back from Thai boxing and he said also, he said, leg kicks, that's not effective. Say you want a sparrer. And then when I tied it to get, you see, you just check it. I go, you won't. Because I keep you busy. And then I start nailing him at it. And he goes, we're going to add low kicks. That's good. Yeah. For me was 1988. My friend Dana Rosenblatt, his buddy from Richie Vasipolis Karate studio, was this guy was very adventurous guy who I forget his name.

2:39:25But he went over to Thailand and he trained in Thailand for quite a long time. And he came back all cut up because he had a bunch of tie fights and he got cut with elbows. And this guy was living in Thailand and training in Thailand in 1988. And I was like, wow, what is going on? And that's when I first started incorporating that and started learning low kicks. But I was like, oh my God, I'm so vulnerable. Like he didn't realize how vulnerable your legs were. And especially because she never did it. So it's all tender. He writes. He also makes... I had a terrible stance for it too, because I stood very wide.

2:39:57You know, I was like very wide like this. Boom! Oh, no. And that was before calf kicks, which is crazy. I talked to Michael Bisping and he's like, I fought my entire career. Won the world title. He won the world title. Never got calf kicked. Which is what's so interesting. It's the most interesting thing. But it's the same. We don't see close lines. Those are parts of that. You can defend. Sure. If I give you a close line, it will loop around. It will still have to back of your head. The legal part. You know, you just stay outside of the Mohawk. Where are they? Right. We saw with Junior Los Santos and McCain when they were fighting.

2:40:32He dropped him and I go, here we go. And then the next fight didn't rematch. It went the other way around. Oh, finally people got it. And then it disappeared again. I go do it. It is such an effective... If I get in the street fight right now, I close line the guy. That's the first thing I'm going to try it out. It's just full stiff arm. You have no clue. If I do this on the back, I can give you a head kick full. And I give you close line. Close line beats the head kick. Really? If I hit the back, you will see the hole back fold out my arm. Really? It's bizarre. It's really bizarre. You can be full defense.

2:41:04It will go around, poke hits the back of your head. How come no one's doing that? No clue. Completely illegal. Maybe that's the next thing. Maybe they're going to learn it from this. I hope so. Because I never think of that. But there is a lot of power on that. But the one thing, don't stretch your arm. Because if you do, if you hyper -extense, you know, it's better to have a slight bend. You want to have a slight bend. And I hit with this part. Do it. If you see me doing this on the back, it's a very scary thing. Mm -hmm. Yeah. We got a bag. Yeah, well, we'll do it. OK. I'll film it. I'll film it.

2:41:37Let's show everybody how it goes. But yeah, whatever the, you know, here's another one that really never made it into the UFC. But it has been in other organizations. It's Axe Kicks. There's this one gentleman. I forget his name. Andy Hugg. Oh, of course. Andy Hugg. Of course. Andy Hugg. I mean, Andy Hugg was a master. He was, oh, my God, those K one days. Oh, to this day. Yeah, we just thought. How the fuck explain this? How does pride go from 90 ,000 seats, like Thomas Super Arena, to there's nothing like that over there in Japan now? Like, how did it just go away? That's once they realized that the Mafia was associated with it.

2:42:18Yeah, it's not a car. It's not a car. That's, oh, yeah. Here's a great guy. He killed himself, dude. Mike Bernardo did. Yeah, poor guy. He was, I liked him a lot. Boom, look at that. Yeah, he's. Andy, look at it. Boom. Marco Kroakup. Yeah. Donk. Yeah, Andy Hugg was the master of the Axe Kicks. It's just so flexible. It's just, there's one guy who fights in the UFC. Excuse me, he fights in MMA. I've messaged him back and forth. I apologize to him. I just get too many messages. But there was a video of him caling somebody with an Axe Kicks. I'm like, oh, well, there you go. He was like this elite type one no guy then started training in MMA and just has this crazy Axe Kicks.

2:42:59And he just don't expect it. Yeah, you know, and nobody does. Especially if you're fighting someone and they're standing South Park and they have that right shoulder forward and he brings it around the outside. So you guys can see it until it's too late. Yeah. So you're standing like this. You don't see it until it's, oh, Jesus Christ. Coming down. Boom. Yeah. And then it slammed down. Have this with the heel. Anyway, Cola Boat. Oh, yeah. I mean, everything is going to stay. But this thing is really good at the face. See if you can find it. All right. Let me see. Yeah, this is the kid. Watch this.

2:43:29Watch this. Boom. Whoa. Yeah. What is his name? What is this guy's name? There it is. Alfie Davis. Alfie Davis. That's. So Alfie Davis, this gentleman has a background and talk window clearly. If you watch back it up a little bit so you can see a little bit more of it. But we'll show some more of his fights too because he does this a lot. I don't know where he's at right now. But he had that sort of a Taikwondo style. Look at this. Steps for boom. And you don't, you just don't anticipate it. You think he's going to kick you in the body so you're doing this and all of a sudden his foot is over his head.

2:44:08Yeah. See if there's more videos of him. Incredible. Is there more of those? It's the same one. Yeah. So there's other fights of his. So he fights, does he still fight in Bellator? Says that seven months ago. Anyway. So watching these guys that have these extraordinary kicking skills as long as they learn the other stuff, but the thing is about learning the other stuff. It's everything. Yeah. It's everything. Do you know what me? Last lost by Ken. Nebar me. And it was it. But I go like, okay, I'm not going to learn this freaking game. I'm going to stop. Stupid. You know, I might win the title, but then if somebody submits you, I'm losing again.

2:44:54It makes no sense. It's, it's my job. And I found one training partner. I would just start rolling two or three times a day. I won my next eight fights by submission after my last loss. And we're like, what the heck is going on? I flipped it around. One with submission control. The other one all finishes seven. Do you think that's what you call ADHD or obsessive whatever it is? 100%. Yeah, I focus on that. Like with me, if I want something I want it now, if I can't ever know, it will be happening tomorrow. I'll do everything in my power to master whatever I need to master in the shortest amount of time.

2:45:26And I will sacrifice everything for it. That was always my thing. You know, like my stamina, you know, it was, I was just fear I was my patient. I almost carried it in a helmet with me. So I didn't want to get tired. So it was my weakness. And then I realized, wait a minute, I, why don't I brainwash myself? And I started doing it. I started getting tired and I was going to go, no, I love this. I love it. So I want to get more tired than I kept on hitting. And then I slowed it. And I'm telling you, like within three, four weeks, now I certainly wanted it. And that changed my whole. That's when I started really training, bringing training to the next level.

2:46:03Then I realized, oh, if I can do it with that, I should be able to do this with everything. You know, that's when I start toughening up. And you know, all these things, it's shined calcification all this stuff. I never focused on that. But then I got like, why not? You know, if everything is strong and it feels better, it's for your opponent, it's going to feel much stronger. So let's start working on that. And then that was it. What did you do for shined calcification? Just kicking a bag. But we had to, I have to say this, we had a bag with regular sand in it. So then the lower you kick it, so what I would do, I would put an measuring tape around it.

2:46:37So I knew the exact spot. Place the spot. And I would kick that for like the next 10 days, only there. And then only when I felt it's okay, I would do it one line below it, like literally this. And I would start kicking that. First of all, great for my aiming, you know? And second of all, you know, every time it gets harder, the lower I kick, it gets harder. By the way, aiming for people, it's so important, you know? And you go like, oh, dude, it's not normal. You see a lot of guys just hit the head, just hit the body, they don't really aim for their shots. Like if I'm, if I'm Thai boxing you and you were in shorts, or that's shorts, whatever logo's on there, I'll pick out one more, one little piece on it, spot on it, and I will deliver my low kick, every low kick on the same spot.

2:47:21Once you start training yourself like that, you know, you automatically start doing it. And think about this, if you have the power to knock somebody out with three low kicks, but you spread them out over three spaces, now you're gonna need nine low kicks in order to do it. So you see, so this is how, if you kick me here in the gut, you can kick me, but you can't punch me here in the solar plexus. Okay, so why do not start hitting the solar plexus? Did you all display in the liver? You know, really aiming for your shots and that automatically puts you also better in the zone. Because my first fights, I was hitting a silhouette, I just hit whatever I could hit.

2:47:56Didn't really matter where I would connect. I just tried to finish the job. Now I'm completely different. Now it's like really waiting, always breathing in. All that's hitting at the moment is breathing in. Like this, my second fight, how I want that. I use that a lot on your right kicks. If you throw a right kick and then with my stance, well, you're exhaling when you kick, you're inhaling when you pull back. Oh, I'm gonna use that against you. I'm gonna block the kick and then while you pull it, recalling it, I go straight to the body. That straight, this power, you go down. You can do five thousand sit -ups today, you breathe in and I connect, that's it.

2:48:31You're gonna go down. You see, and I'll really like those moments. I do this with legs. I push you. I push a simultaneously kick. So I make you wait list, the muscle is relaxed, and then I kick you with the shin. Sure, I cannot generate a lot of power, but you don't need a lot of power. It works really well. Like my last fight actually, and that was not me time. That was pure luck. But he stepped at the moment his foot was up. I kicked him and I remember my shin. I literally hit click. My shin was touching his thigh bone. I felt just a skid click. First thing I thought, I won. And I saw him limp at a kick the one with time fighters up.

2:49:11But that was the moment that most of us completely relaxed. But like I said, that was not me timing it. That was just luck. Are you gonna open up a gym out here? No, I don't think so. I wanna go do some seminars and doing that kind of stuff. You know, I still owe the gym in thousand dogs. It's going really well. We got this new great wrestling coaches now also. They're gonna start like in two weeks. I believe so we added wrestling now to it. I mean, we got these crazy fitness challenges. What we do is the man challenge and the woman challenge. So the woman challenge, it's for six weeks. I'm gonna pull up a picture.

2:49:45You're not gonna believe this. So this is a woman who won the competition. You got a free membership for a year if you win the competition. This is six weeks. She gained actually 2 .1 pounds. What's the real? Six weeks. Damn. And all the other 18 ladies in the class, they know this is on a percent real because they wanted to be the number one. So it is crazy, right? That's incredible. That's hard work. That's hard work. And then people don't know. This is the worst part, don't you hate it? When you know people see, I was always, you know, like, oh steroids. If you look good and then these overweight people who don't take care of their health and they, first thing they say is using steroids.

2:50:27They say, wait a minute. So you're gonna do it. You're using anti -steroids then. Like what do you mean? I say, you look like shit. You know, I'm firing right back what they do. I can't stand it, you know. No. Live with me for two months. Well, you had phenomenal genetics though. Yeah, yeah. Don't you have that weird genetic variant that allows you to keep extra muscles? Isn't there something? No, I, dude. Don't you have something weird though? I had an insanely high testosterone level when I was 19. I think I toned it down to 2400. But I think, no, I thought it was 2800. But, yeah, they said they never measured anything like it.

2:51:02My mother was there with me and they got like, is he a handful? As she goes, you have no idea. You know, because she said, this is really crazy high level. Yeah, and I burn like a maniac. So I'm 3 % of the population. We did this swap, you know, for some time talking about it. Yeah, and it's like, so I can eat six large pizzas a day. I'm the same weight now. Does everyone I started fighting? I never lose weight or gain weight. What do you do for exercise nowadays? I just work out 40 minutes. I do stamina like this morning. I did a treadmill. I do the incline all the way up. We have a higher one.

2:51:33It goes like 25%. You know, so it's pretty gnarly. Yeah, I've got 30 % one. It's awesome. I love it. Yeah, I need one like that. Oh, it's fantastic. It's because my knees I can run, but I can walk. So then I just go up and I just go 40 minutes straight. What I do is also I do 10 minutes backwards. And then I do another 10 minutes forward. And then five minutes backwards. Walking backwards is very important to balance everything out. How are your knees are still fucked up? Yeah, there's no scarlet on the kneecaps. So that sounds like the easier problem is the worst problem to have in the knee because you can fix it.

2:52:05You know, it's not like they can't take the kneecaps out and replace it with an it's not working like that. But you know, I do cable punch routines. Really good for your core. Really good for power. I do the reverse punches. Everything I do is super sets. So I do 10 exercises. I do 20 repetitions minimum. All four sets, 32 minutes. People go, there's no way. Yeah, but I don't take a rest. That's why I like to do super sets. I'm resting, this muscle group is resting while I'm training this one. So you're training strength, but you're also training conditioning always. Because that's in my head now for what if something happens on the street, it's always good to have a little bit of a guess in the tank.

2:52:43So that's what I know. And it just works my foot. I'm, but like I crazy, I eat two, two and a half pounds of sweet potatoes. That's my breakfast. That's just that. I then have pounds of sweet potatoes. Yeah. And then just that. No one knows. No, nothing on it. Just that. Then I have these shakes. This crazy carnivore shake that I have. There are like 125 carbs of shake. It does a couple of day drink them in between because they just keep burning. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. But how old are you now? 58. 58. Your body's still burning like that. That's wild. I grow like UC pictures of me like last week, I started on Saturday because normally I always throw these challenges out.

2:53:25People say I was there. I started TRT on Saturday last week because they realized that my feet that store was lower. And it was affecting me mentally. It was like something wrong with him. And I told a brigam, I go like dude, something is wrong. I'm too emotional. Something is off. This is for a while already. And I, but I have pitch. He says, dude, you look freaking awesome. He says, yeah, I don't use anything. So I was always very proud of that. And two people who said it, I say, take the bet. Yeah. I'll go six months every day you can test me. Every single day you might test me. Yeah. There are people out there that are just different.

2:53:59They're just different. Yeah. So now kind of because I was very proud of that, but now I had to for my, and I have to say though, I start like a weekend. I worked out in Miami on a treadmill. No, I did a shadow boxing with my audio workout. And after I just did some little bit of TRT, I got the 2 .5 is like 50 milligrams. And then I said, okay, I texted them. I go, I'm feeling good now. Mentally, I feel different. So it is something doing something to your mental state as well. I had no clue. For sure, that's a big thing with guys that have pituitary gland injuries when they get depression. That's a lot of it is your body's not producing testosterone anymore.

2:54:42You see? So I'm very happy I started with that. But everything also I had is wound on my, that I cut myself with a knife like really weird, opened up in my pocket while I was pulling my pants up. It's something stupid, but it was a cut. It's been there for two years. Really? I go like it, my wife every time goes like you. But now when I started last week, it's almost gone now. So it helps with that as well. Although my white blood cells were good, everything was good. It was just my free testosterone was a little low. Well, it's good to get everything checked. That's ways to build. Well, it's fantastic for that.

2:55:15Yeah, great to get everything checked. And so I'm great people. I, Ron White walked in. Yeah, Ron White's, yeah. Yeah, no. Gregor was awesome. I love Gregor. And anybody that's listening, listen to the podcast that I did with Gregor Bueller. It's an amazing podcast where he breaks down all the problems in the medical system and all the problems with the insurance system. And that there's so many different things that can benefit you that are fantastic for your health that are not covered by your insurance. You know what's this? I know it's going to start like a lead way, but breathing. Yes. What people don't have any idea about is that 95 % of us are breathing wrong.

2:55:55Incorrect. Google it. Because I was thinking I was breathing correct. And if you stand in front of the mirror, you take a deep breath, you're raising your shoulders, you are breathing wrong. That's it. Fortes six of these shoulder raising breasts is the same as one belly breath. Think, take the lowers number four. So they imagine you come out of a hard fort round and you got one minute to recoup instead of 40 times raising your shoulders, you can do it the same amount of air by 10 times. Not only that, if you're raising your shoulders, your neck, your traps, your neck muscles, everything needs oxygen, right?

2:56:27Yeah. You're lifting it, lifting it. That's why fighters, people who are overweight, their breathing is much better than people who are lengthy. Because they don't want to carry that weight upwards all the time with breathing, so they automatically start breathing diaphragmatically. But that completely changed my life. Really? It really did. Diaphragm breathing and then strengthening those inspiratory muscle training. It's not a gimmick. Just go on a public medical website journal. You push in. I empty, I only have 12 hundred reports there. Above what it does. Every endurance athlete in the Olympics, guess what they're doing.

2:57:04It's a spiritual muscle training. Well, you also have that breath trainer that you developed. That's it. Yeah. That's a device. So just tell people about that. So, okay, so I'm breaking this thing. What I want to say first is, so you breathe wrong. Don't say I woke up. I've been breathing since I was a baby. I know I have to breathe. You don't. That's good to tell you about five and a half years of age. And that's when we start breathing wrong. And the reason is because that's the moment where you start going to school. And that's when we start wearing belts and sitting all day long in the classroom.

2:57:35And that's when you go to the doctor. And he's doctor puts a status quo on your chest. They take your deep breath. Oh, this is where my lungs are. You know, that's what you think. But it's not. The lungs are lower part here. Let me stop this. Then of course, boys, girls, oh, you start to get interested in the different sex. And then you suddenly you realize, wait a minute, if I keep breathing through my belly at they think I'm fat. But this is literally the reason that people start breathing the rope. You know, we're the only animal. The only mammal that breathes wrong. Really? Only the humans.

2:58:07Everybody, look at the baby. You see the belly breath. Perfect. Okay, so know this right now. You're breathing wrong. 95 % of you are. And if the 5 % probably have breathing classes, you and Bo hunting. You think chest breathing is good? Or you think diaphragmatic breathing. And if every sniper goes to a Tim Kennedy, I guarantee you, he's freaking horizontal breathing. Dive of medic breathing. So that's number one. Then I go into the next attack, nose breathing. Because everybody says, I breathe through my nose. Yeah, okay. What if I smash your nose and what about that? What do you have a call to have to fight?

2:58:41Can't breathe through your mouth? Come on, don't be stupid. Yeah, but this thing, you know, it works through the mouth. You're only using it for about five minutes today. And it will strengthen your breathing muscles, which by the way, you have 11 pounds of breathing muscles. That's a lot. And with breathing muscles, I say the move for inhaling is your diaphragm and your intercostals, which are the muscles in between your ribs. The external intercostals are for inhaling, expand your chest. I'm going to go in a little bit, how that works. Because that's why I bought this weird thing here with me.

2:59:11What did you got with it? This weird is a steamer, a vegetable steamer. But I'll transform it into a diaphragm in a little bit. Why'd you bring a bad vegetable steamer? You all, I'm going to show you. LAUGHTER So now let's take another part. How does your endurance increase? What do you think is the reason? You train really hard. I know. But what happens when you train really hard? Do your recovery gets better? Do your body gets accustomed to it and conditioned? That's it. You train the muscle over and over again. It becomes more efficient. Right. And the word efficient already says it, uses less oxygen, therefore your stamina increases.

2:59:48Boom. OK. Good. Let's go to the next one. Metabolroflex. That's a nice word for gassing, right? So you're just just gassing. This is what happens when you're gassing. Let's say you're running a hill, a very steep hill, a 45 degree angle. It's a hard one, hard one, hard one. And suddenly, it feels like you hit the wall. What happens at that moment is that your body starts redirecting oxygenated blood. It takes you the way from your legs, because it's sensitive to your number one priority in the body, which are your breathing muscles. Because if your breathing muscles don't work, you die. If you can't expend your chest, you die.

3:00:21OK. So endurance works. Muscle training over and over again gets more endurance. OK. But my freaking intercostals and my diaphragm, they steal the blood, blood steelings, literally a medical term, away from my limbs, as soon as I'm getting tired. OK. What if I update those 11 parts of breathing muscles? What if I give them more endurance over and over again? So they become more efficient. Now you delay your gassing, that's normally, let's say, happens here, happens there. That's why every single endurance athlete in your limb, it will actually use his peertory muscle training. It blows my mind, that is, you have coaches here, or is the coach of the year, and they don't spend time on breathing, you're an idiot.

3:01:04A complete idiot. You remember I was on your show, and I said, 15 to 20 % you get more? Why light about that? That's for 95 % of the people. And the difference is more than that. Whoa, that's a big statement. Four to six of these breaths is the same as one, but it's a big thing. I can let you hear a message from Leo de Machita, who was doing it for three months, got COVID, then started training with his fighters. He says, dude, I outworked everybody. My breathing was so incertly, it's freaking out. That's how crazy it is. You see, so now, and now you have to understand how breathing works, because we all believe that our lungs do the work.

3:01:37Longs are two bags. You can't have strong lungs. There's no muscle in your lung. If you cannot expand your chest, you die. So when you expand your chest, you create a vacuum between your body and your lungs, and that vacuum opens up your lungs. So for people who go like, oh, what is the vacuum? Just imagine your lungs being glued to the inside of your body. And if you expand your chest, that's how you pull the air in. So if you think about this, your chest doesn't expand because you put air in it. Your chest expands, that's how you pull the air in. So that's a little weird thing to think about, but just focus on that.

3:02:10Now, that's chest expansion. I already said it's done by your diaphragm in the intercostals. Now, Dr. Belize of Renich, she's actually a person of World Renowned Breathing Expert. Joey Diaz sent me up with her. And Joey said, you should meet her. So I went to visit her on Fifth Avenue in New York, in her office. This is five, six years ago. First thing she does is measuring my chest expansion, right? And I know what she's doing there, because the more I can expand, the more air I can pull in my lungs. So she says, okay, exhale, inhale, and she goes, she says, no, no, it's not possible. Do it again.

3:02:45And I do it again, and she goes, wait, and she walks out, comes back with another doctor. I go, what's going on? She says, if I don't bring him, he's not going to believe it. I go, what do you mean? I said, well, normally when somebody break our record by chest expansion, so like an eighth of an inch, maybe half, you almost went two inches more than everybody else. Let me see your chest expansion. Give me a breath. Is these lower parts, you know, completely expand? Yeah, but you see what you're doing? You're raising your shoulders. Oh, okay. Only focus on this. You're still raising your shoulders.

3:03:19This thing is going to freak you out, man. You're going to get... So just keep my shoulders down. Grab the bottom of your chair. Grab the bottom of your chair, and then just... That's breathing my time. That's breathing.

3:03:35Every person wants the stamina of who? Tony Ferguson, Michael Chandler. Oh, my God, what do they do? Look at them breathe. 80 % of the UFC fighters. Breathing, correct. Those guys, you will not see any movement. They breathe perfect, and that's why they have the advantage. So now watch this, right? So this is... The diaphragm is a thin dome shaped muscle tendon mixture. And this separates the chest cavity from the abdominal cavity, right? This side here is attached to the lower part of your ribcage. That's where it's attached to. And what this is what the diaphragm does. It actually massages your intestines, and the massages your heart as well.

3:04:18It lines your spine. You should read the reviews with people with back problems. Back problems are gone. This is all published medical journals all back up. This is what the diaphragm does. It just expands. It's exactly because from that angle, this is what it does. It drops down. It massages everything. It goes back to drops down. But that drop down is an expansion. This happens in the center of your body, that together with your intercostals, will open up your chest. Then exhaling is done by your obliques, your core, and your internal intercostal muscles. Those for the axial, also very important muscle to train.

3:04:51But if you train both at the same time, not good. Both separately, very good. So this one is an inspiratory muscle. I brought two for you, so you could choose if you were the blue one in the wind. Listen, don't let the fool fool you. It's a simple, stupid, this is it? Yes, it's weight training for your breathing muscles. You can throw it against the weight, you can do anything, you buy one, you never have to buy another one. It comes with 16 different settings. It's very basic. Why does it look like this? Because I can have the idea when I was 14. You think a 14 -year -old kid can come up with electronics?

3:05:26No. This was it. This was actually also the reason I could bypass all the patterns and I have the pattern for this. So what it does is just controls the air intake. So if you inhale, this side has a flap that will close off, which will force you to inhale to this side. This one comes with 16 different settings. Now in the beginning, my asthma was cured within three weeks. Imagine, I was walking around with an inhaler everywhere I went. Every workout session inhaler before. Every fight inhaler before. Three weeks with this freaking prototype, gone. Now I'm up to something, said it to my friend in Holland, who has asthma eight days later.

3:06:03He calls me, dude, I want to sell them in Europe. He's selling them in Europe right now. asthma has gone. I go, dude, we're up to something here. Now I have a commercial. If your asthma is not 70 or 80 % gone all more in one month, I'll give you money back. But I'm going to need to see you doing the freaking four minutes a day, though. Because we all go four minutes a day. I can do this. No, you can't. You're probably going to pucees. And pucees, I say, pucees, I took it made an abbreviation for puceilanimous, like a courage of determination or cowardly. That's what we are. And I say we, because we all are certain things, we just give up really fast.

3:06:37Oh, we get, okay, I want an extra drink. Yeah, you're a pucee. You see, puceilanimous. This one for you, since you are an athlete already, I'll put this one on number. I put it on the phone. So what you're doing is, you put it in your mouth, that's what he said. And then you can, and you exhale. So officially, just trying now, we're sitting straight. Okay. And keep your shoulders low and exhale completely. And then inhale by pressing your belly forward. Explosive. And then explosive inhale.

3:07:21Is she a chest coming a little? Keep it down. There we go. That's core. Now we're doing it.

3:07:38This is just sitting straight. But if you do this with an exercise, it's too exquisite. I feel it. I feel like I work out of these muscles. I feel in these muscles in a different way than I feel doing anything else. You know, you want to freak out even more. I want you to just lean over a little bit. So on your legs. Just completely relaxed. Or you can do this actually here. So yeah, just lean. Yeah, but lean over. Okay. And now put it in your mouth. And then when you want to inhale, focus on your back muscle. The lower part of your back muscles to expand. Do that. Because we have breathing muscles 360 degrees circumferential.

3:08:20Those muscles I never worked out. Once I started adding this exercise to it, my stamina got insane. You go also. I feel the muscles on my back. Oh, yeah. I feel it. You don't want to do 30 repetitions like this because tomorrow felt like you did a very hard back workout. You're going to work right. Listen, boss, I'm going to use this every day. I'm going to check in with you in a month. I'm going to use this. I will 100 % use this. Because you are the guy who actually does it. Like, okay, one thing that I want to say for the people, right? If you use it for endurance and you do it before endurance workouts, think about this.

3:08:54You're tiring your breathing muscles. I got an idea. How about I do that in the cold plunge? I'm going to kill two birds from one side. Oh, that's what I always do too. Yeah. So I'll change my cold plunge from three minutes to four minutes. And I'll just do that the entire time I'm in the cold plunge. All right. Because that tightened you up. Tightens up your... Oh, you're going to... You watch. What's going to happen? That's not going to work. Dude, it will change you. I'll guarantee you. But I just want to know for the people, if you buy for endurance and you do it before endurance, it will backfire.

3:09:25It's like you have to move, but you do a biceps workout. It's not really going to help you. You know, so... You got to build up. So in the beginning, when I say to these people, do it in the evening. So your breathing muscles can rest during the night and then the next day, you're going. But the difference you're going to notice, you watch. I don't have to say anything. We have the highest ratings on Amazon. I mean, we beat every other product out of that. I'm 100 % going to do this and I'm 100 % going to check in with you. I'm going to let you know. Yeah. Perfect. I'm excited. Me too. Thank you.

3:09:52Yeah. No, thank you. Boss, this is a good fucking time. Tell people how they can get that. Oh, O2Trainer .com. It's on Amazon. It's everywhere. Read the reviews, guys. Amazon, I'll review it. That you cannot mess, Rod. If you don't have a word choice, right there. Just doing that. Immediately. I feel it. And I fell out of my back too and you made me lean forward. I really do feel it. And plus, it will align your spine. You know, diaphragmatic breathing is good for... I have a singing school from Australia is buying it. You know, because projecting and acting, it's all breathe -round. All diaphragm.

3:10:23You watch. And by the way, don't believe products that say that we can give you bigger lungs. This is not a last thing I want to say. If you have an athletic workout, stretch your freaking chest muscles. This is important. You lose from the age of 28. You lose about 30 million liters a year, which means 300 million liters in 10 years. I'm 58. That means if I would never do any chest stretches, I would have lost almost a liter from the only six liters I have. Women have four liters, men have six liters. One and a half gallon, one gallon. See, talk about an advantage with the transition. Nevermind.

3:10:59But it just... They just have 30 % bigger lungs, whatever. You know, but just make sure that you know that. If you want to do stamina, just do it after the stamina. All right. Because out of us. Brother, I'll check in with you. Thank you very much. I need a boss route near the fucking man. Always appreciate you. Welcome to Texas. Yes. I'm here. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody.