JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

26:28These are from Wuhan, China when COVID happened. I've had these air fresheners for a while. So I got like a couple designs. I got you a few. It's like a PMP and. And my little character. Oh, nice. Yeah. So I got those air fresheners. I love it. Sorry, dude. I'm putting all this stuff on the table. And. I got you. Same. The best for the lens. A birthday cake. Chocolate bar from Colorado. Oh, thank you very much. Yes, sir. Thank you very much, Mike. Oh, my pleasure, man. It was very kind of you. Thank you for having me on the show, bro. And I wish you would have told me about your show, but like God just works, man, because we just went for a walk.

27:19I asked my girl. I said, where did we go in Austin? She knows Texas. I don't. And she's like six street. So we start fucking walking. And we're like, oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. Everybody's in line. What's going on? We're getting lined. We hit the lady. If you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line's seven o 'clock. I'm like, let's go. Let's go. And you guys hooked us up anyways. And God is in there. And we were sitting up top, man. It's great. So you guys are geniuses the way you talk and weave through a conversation. I don't know where you're going. And then boom, a punchline hits.

27:59It's hilarious. Thanks, man. I'm glad you had a good time. So smart. It's a fun place. I didn't know you were coming to town yesterday. I would have invited you. I wasn't sure if you're coming. Oh, okay. Sometimes people come in the day of. I wasn't sure if you had set it up by my managers. Do it for me. Thank God. Well, I'm glad you came. First round management, Abe. I'm glad you came. I think that that place is wild. It's like that whole street is wild. Like six streets. It's crazy. Like on Saturday night, we're looking through the window. It's like a zombie movie. Oh, these people walking on the streets because it's closed off.

28:30It's a little bit like L .A. Well, parts of it are. I mean, expect that. There's more tents lately. I've noticed. Like they clean them up and then they come back again. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry. Especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control. It goes through payroll. You're accountant or your tax consultant. And countless other data centers on its way to the IRS. Any of them can expose you to identity theft because they all have the info on your W2.

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31:38LA doesn't make sense. Wow, and that's the most expensive place to live in the United States really. I mean, New York and LA, and they can get, you know, them projects get. The thing about cities like that is once they slide, it's really hard to bring them back. Because they're like battleships. You know, when they're moving in a bad direction, when you get an overrun by homeless and crying, people just start moving out. And we have this, I think, a distorted idea that the way thing, like if something's great, it can stay great. If something's a thing that's valuable, it's going to stay valuable.

32:14People are going to get to a point where you're living in a place like that where there's tents everywhere. You go, I'm going to get the fuck out of here. And then everybody gets the fuck out of here except for the people in the tents. They're going to take it over. I mean, the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You can't litter, right? So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? What is that? Man piles of trash. The whole thing is crazy. It's like you can't just camp places. There's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places. And I don't know what Austin did for a while though.

32:52They housed people. They put them in hotels or something because they cleaned up a giant part of it. I know there's a bunch of programs to try to teach them trades. And there's like these housing options that they, some of the philanthropists out here have set up, where they're trying to reintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult. But they did something and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again. But you know, it's all over the country now, which you've never saw before. Never when you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out? I lived in Flint and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people.

33:36I mean, Flint is supposed to be a rough town in the hood, but it's... I don't know. 20 years ago, life was different. Don't they say there's like 100 ,000 homeless people in LA? Isn't that something crazy like that? That's insane. That's crazy. That's like the population of Boulder, Colorado, just homeless people. How do people pull up though? Like Cubans pull up to Miami on these boats that they got a piece of wood and they award 20 or 90 miles in this boat with like 17 family members and they pull up on the beach and they go start their life. Yeah, but you know why? Because they're escaping communism.

34:18Right. No, I mean props. Right, right. But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism. Most of them are mentally ill. When you're good in like homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill. Or like severe drugs. Because they're on drugs. Yeah. They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or bolt or because of, you know. But that's a lot of it. And so like in San Francisco, that's the big criticism that... There's a guy named Michael Schellenberger and he wrote a book called San Francisco describing like what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco.

34:53And he was saying like it just gets to a point where it's just... It's just... What's going on is two nuts. Like you're allowing these people to have these open -air drug dens. It's a choice though. And you're paying a money to stay there. They're paying the money. They're paying the money. Yeah, they give them money. They interviewed these guys that were like camped out and they're saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money. Give you like a certain amount of money. Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every month. And so there's no incentive to bring it on themselves.

35:27But you got to want more in life. You got to see cool shit and be like, I fucking want to put those... It's hard to be organized. That's my biggest problem while I'm not so rich, I think. I got to organize my shit, man. I keep a bunch of... Momentos and... I start hoarding shit. I'm like, man, we're moving right now. I'm trying to buy this house. I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home. But we need a new appraisal. We got one and they're getting another one. So they pushed the day. But I'm open. We can get in here because I got the money for it. So let me in. And... But, you know... We're out of our pointing game, man.

36:11We should spark that back up, baby. And maybe I remember... We fire up the engines. Yeah. Yeah. What were you saying? I don't know. I keep looking at that alien... Or that spaceship, beaming up that person. I think about all that alien shit. Oh, it's all popping right now. What are they trying to hide? They're just putting all this information out there. That's fake. It's bullshit. Thank you. It's like... Thank you. What are they trying to hide? Like why... Here's the thing. I'm so greedy. CGI shit, man. There's fake shit. I don't know. I don't know what's fake and what's not fake. But I do know that it just seems weird that all this is coming out.

36:55Yeah. Aliens are my cousin, though. I fuck with the aliens. If they come here, if they want to start some shit, I'll punch one of them in the face. But they better know how to act when they're coming up in my backyard. The planet is ours. So, you know, we got to have each other's back. If they really hear they ain't here, they could probably destroy us if they could come here. Yeah. Did you see that thing in Vegas? This family said that a UFO landed in the backyard in like a eight to ten -foot tall alien came out. Did we... Have we talked about this yet? No. I mean, not on here. Not on here officially.

37:29No, I'm here officially. Have you seen him, Mike Perry? I don't believe it. Have you seen it? It seems so dumb. First of all, why didn't they film it? They filmed all this other shit. Why didn't they film that? They tried. Did they try? I mean, I could play their side of the story. What do you think? What do you think? I'm just being skipped. I saw this little like Spanish kid was talking about on Instagram. They were like making a video. I saw it. We saw it. It was real. It's like, y 'all look like paid actors. Well, there was his thing. Investigative reporter George Napp tried to interview you through on several occasions.

38:03And they made appointments to have him interview them. And when he went there, they wouldn't answer the door. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe they're nervous about all the attention. I don't know. I don't know. No, that seems real. They don't want the attention. They're like, we're not answering the door. That's possible. That's what normal people don't want the attention. That's true. He said they're like nine feet ten here. Oh, you got the wrong thing. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. What is? I think the podcast is still put on Spotify. Oh. Yeah, that's it. It is. Whoops.

38:44Sound. Camera footage. I have butterflies, bro. Everyone thought I was shooting star. Then these people said there's aliens in their backyard. So when that nine -one -one call came in, less than an hour later, police were ready to believe it. It was like a big creature. A big creature? Yeah. Because I'm not going to be yesterday. One of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky, too. So that's why I'm kind of curious. Did you see anything land in your backyard? But after a brief investigation of the yard, officers closed the case. It's a whole video about nothing, really. But things come back.

39:14Don't call us. All right. Deal with it yourself. I ain't dealing with that. I'm going to former intelligence officer. It's funny. If I was an alien, those exactly the kind of people that I would talk to. That would know what they would believe you. Oh, this is a CGI thing. Oh. Yeah. Why do they have CGI? I don't know why they would do that. Why are you telling me what I should see? Yeah, I don't know, man. I think for sure it's possible that alien life exists and is visiting. For sure it's possible. But also, it just seems real weird. They're so forthcoming with information and all these whistleblowers and everything.

39:51Part of me is going like, do you think aliens get sex changes? Yeah. I think they gave up on sex totally. If you look at what the matrix looks like. They have mental sex, like telekinesis, not the matrix. If you look at what those grays look like, they have giant heads. They have spindly bodies and no gender. They're like, they're genderless. They probably don't reproduce with sex anymore. They probably reproduce through technology. And they probably all look exactly the same. So they're equal in some weird way. We live in the matrix. Yeah. So we're asleep right now. If you can imagine being a human being, right, you imagine being a person.

40:30You can imagine being another life form that eventually gets to a place and evolves either through technology or what to what those things are. We're all at that in evolution. Yeah. We're not going to stop wherever we are now. No. We're going to keep going. Yeah, I'm going to grow wings and fly. I don't know. That would be cool. Yeah. Do you think that that, I mean, that's what I've thought many times when I see the classic gray alien with the big head, the big black eyes. I always think, maybe that's what we are in the future. Maybe that's us. Maybe that's what we're saying. I was just thinking about that metal statue you have out there with the wolf.

41:13Fucking the gorilla. Oh, you know what that's from? That was a dream that I had. I had this crazy dream. Did you have somebody make a dream? I had this crazy dream that this werewolf was fucking a gorilla. Did you draw a picture? No. No, I was just saying, like, I was just having a conversation with a friend and I was saying, like, what the fuck is dreams? Like, why are dreams so fucked up? And I had this dream that I was like sneaking around, like trying like the outside of the wall, hoping they wouldn't notice me. And while werewolves was fucking a gorilla. Like, you made no sense. That's, and so some dude made a sculpture of it and sent it to me.

41:55I feel like I was dreaming, man. You don't dream at all? I feel like I don't. I don't really have any memories of dreams. There it is. It's pretty dope. But I'd be like living the dream. What a crazy dream. I try to. This is my brain brain. You smoke a lot of weed though, right? Not as much as I used to. I think that for me, when I stop, whenever I take breaks, my dreams become way more vivid. Right. Sometimes. But then sometimes, I'm like, I've been smoking. And then I do have a dream, but like, I don't remember it later. I mean, I've told my girl a couple of times about, oh, I had a dream last night.

42:40She always dreams that, you know, being bad or cheating. I'm like, why are you dreaming like that? I'll be here at the house or I go work out in the gym. That's what I do. So, you know. The weirdest things about dreams is that right when you wake up, they're so vivid. But then a few minutes later, you can't remember what the fuck it was. It was so interesting to you when you wake up. Wow, that dream was crazy. I feel like dreams pissed me off. That's what I choose to deny them sometimes. They pissed me off because I'm like, I can't do them. I can't cry. I can't punch you in your face or in a dream.

43:25Yeah. But in real life, I can control everything. I've had one where I can't run away. Like you can't run. Like something's chasing after and your legs aren't working. Or you're in the wall that's thinking, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I got to make a statue of one of my dreams. A statue? Like that? Yeah. I got to do that. Yeah. I wonder how much dreams are of reflection of like whatever, whatever, whatever's in our genetics. Like what if there's genetic memory? I wonder if it's like some dreams or like some genetic memory from the past. We all remember when you were on Fairfactor and made people eat milk penises.

44:14And we all remember that. Yeah. It's like, it's a memory that is in human kinds, genetics. They're living it right now. We're all oppressed. But I'm wondering like I wonder how much of like fears and dreams. Like I've had a bunch of dreams about being chased by wolves. A bunch. And I've always wondered what that is. I don't run from wolves. You don't run. I feel like I would give them a hug. Come here baby. Come here baby. I'll wrestle that motherfucker to the ground. Oh crap. Fucking wolf and boy, that shit. Eat him. Be like boy, I run this shit. Stop. Wow. I have a German shepherd. He's a baby though.

45:00It's a big difference to none the wolf. Yeah, for sure. Whatever. You talk about a dog killing a bunch of jackals. I get a dog. I'm human. We on top of the food chain. Fuck the aliens. I'm trying to eat them aliens. I'm trying to eat them aliens. I want to try that shit. Is that cannibalism? No. No, not trying to eat them aliens. I don't think so. It's probably found upon. There was this movie. I think it'd be like octopus. This movie called Moment of Contact. And there's a UFO crashed in Virginia, Brazil in 1996. And this cop had carried one of the bodies, like the injured alien. And they put it in the back of the car and they drove it to the hospital.

45:48And then they took it to another hospital. It's all documented. It's crazy. The cop who was carrying the alien died of a horrific bacterial infection that they couldn't cure him of. Antibiotics didn't worry me. He was a young guy. He was dead in like a couple of weeks. They don't know what the fuck it was. Doctors had never seen anything like it. Doctors are crazy. Imagine if he's telling the truth. Imagine if it really is a little alien spacecraft that crashed and he picked up a body and tried to carry it to the hospital of this being. And imagine them bringing a fucking alien into a hospital.

46:26Like, hey, look who we got here. They do. We are alien. Oh, okay. Do we are or we ain't? That's what I said. Is it cannibalism if I even know? Because there are different species of us, whatever we are. Right. We're just a germ. You remember Powerpuff girls and they had the germ dudes. And then the, I don't know, the green dudes. No, don't remember. Yeah, that's out. You were already grown up when I was wise in Powerpuff. I'm still kind of young. So I got fight for the world. Yeah, you're only 31. Yeah, man. But how old were you when you had your first UFC fight?

47:0624. 24. And how much formal train? Like when did you start like formally MMA training? Like training MMA in a gym. And 15, 15 years ago. I did it as a kid. Right. My dad talked about it. He did a couple kickbox and matches like one or two. I don't know. But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess. So my dad was a wild dude. I mean, he had bought bags. He was a naval guy. He was a navy guy. And I would use some of his boxing equipment at the young age. So, you know, I've always been punching. But formal training, I mean, I trained myself for a long time. YouTube, like I said. Really? But I got with Julian Williams.

48:02And I met the Central Florida group of mixed martial artists have been around for, you know, it feels like 15 years. I've been knowing them. So, since I was in my teens, formal training. And did you go through like an amateur MMA program? Did you have any amateur fights? Yes. I had like 20 amateur fights. But I guess it was like a scattered version. There are things that are more organized and put together that. I mean, like the boxing, like the little kids that do boxing all over the country, they're fighting every week. They're, you know, they get how many fights before they go pro? 105, 200 fights.

48:46Let me check out 300 fights before they go pro these kids and their parents. I see that now because the boxing gym I work out, technique boxing. You know, I get to be around that type of, whatever that is, that's that deep down, that the soul of it. It's about the kids. And they become great boxers over the years of doing it. And, you know, I've done it too, but we were like one of the first... I mean, no, fighting was already around in the 80s. And then there's boxing, obviously. Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously, those were big fights. But, you know, now there's more formal kids and like the karate combat dudes, they've been raised well by their parents, you know what I mean?

49:48Like they have manners and they have technique in karate, which is, it's different. If you look at all the techniques, like Muay Thai is like a dog fight, but there is technique. Boxing has... And when I say technique, it's like positions of your body. That's how you generate force and, you know, physically control whatever's happening and fighting. I mean, that's what we're talking about. It's how do you fight? How... Shit, why? You know, I wish I could... Bring something else to the world. It means more. But, you know, the world does piss me off sometimes. So I'm like, yeah, I get to punch somebody for this.

50:37But, you know, thank God. But, you know, how can I be an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smarter and fuck. And being smarter is harder, bro. Fucking hard out here. What about maybe... Have you thought about starting a gym? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I... Because I want to do a fight... I mean, a business company. A business company. Yeah. There's a lot of ways a guy's like a guy like you, who, you know, there's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you. There's a lot of guys that, you know, they want to fight too. There's a lot of angry men.

51:30And they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that. It is really positive, but then it becomes funny. It's like, I feel like I understand fighting to the point where it's like, I see... I'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting. It seems like a joke. I mean, it's a fun sport. But there comes a time, I think, when it becomes... You know, that's the question. Am I going to put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest. But I do take some hits in training. You know, that shit add up. I've been taking punches for 20 years.

52:14And it feels like, you know... It doesn't hurt until later. It hurts later. And then... You know, so... I don't know, man. Have you given thought to doing something else? Have you given thought to, like, what are you going to do when you get hurt? No, I feel like I just... I was going to construction. Just being old guy. Start fixing shit, man. Pick up some tools. Old school. Get me... I got to get a hot rod again, man. I fucked around with a few hot rods. I'm like, man, I just got to get another one and make it nice. You know, but I be driving the family around now. So everything's on hold. I think...

53:01I just really just have faith in God. And I try to do what's right and be good. And, you know, as long as I support those around me, the women and children, I'll be good to go. So, how did this bear -knuckle thing come about? Like, what... Did you just want to test the waters over there? Was it something just a lucrative offer? Like, what made you go over there? Oh, yeah, big money. It was big to me. It was definitely big. It was big fights. But, you know, there wasn't a ton of people at the arena when I fought MVP, but everybody did see it. Yeah. So, you know, but... Well, I think after this rock hold fight, it's changed people's appreciation for, first of all, how difficult it is.

53:52Like, when you see rock holds jaw fucked up with this teeth fucked up. And you, you know, you see that you've been beating guys like him and Michael Venom Page. And it's like, these are like very high -level guys. And you're doing it in this sport that's like, man, this is a completely different thing to me. At least. It's like, the way you're describing completely makes sense about how you have to be tight all the time. Mm -hmm. But still move well. Um, check this out. Uh, Michael Venom Page or... Or, misfits... You know, misfits boxing? Yes. Uh, what's his damn name? The English kid over there that runs misfits boxing.

54:34It's like, most valuable promotions with Jake Paul. KSI. KSI has misfits boxing. That's his... Okay. And we would talk in with my people about a possible tournament style. One night, three fights, boxing with gloves. Or if it would it be kickboxing with gloves? I don't know what it was, right? But, um... And me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket. And we fight three, three minute rounds each time. Meaning, so the first two, me and MVP should win the fights. And then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds, uh, seven, eight, and nine. Uh, we would be fighting each other. So it would be three opponents, three fights in one night.

55:27It would pay a bunch of money per fight. Wow. I think that sounded kind of cool. I would love... You know, I would definitely give MVP another shot. This is an event they have announced. They have a tag team event going on. And a survivor tag match to a wonder how the world... Tag team. Yeah, like, uh, Kimbo sliced juniors on here. I've seen Rob on juniors. This is crazy. I have no idea how it's going based off of that. How are they gonna do that? Just seeing the watch. Tag team. Yeah. Huh. Oh my god. That's gonna be wild. Well, it just kind of makes sense, right? People are always trying to push the boundaries.

56:07People are always trying to like, okay, is that hardcore enough? What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? Like, you've seen those Russian videos. Well, I was like, teams of dudes. Teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other. Oh, yeah. Like, 200. 600. 200. Let's go! I want to try that shit though. It's really easy. See, that's... You know, where is that group of fighting people, man? That's wild. I think it was in Russia. Was that where it was? Yeah. I think there was Ireland too, man. Gypsies. Car fights. Fighting in a bum booth. Russians are just different, man.

56:41They're just different. That's... A well put together. Um... American is fucking... Up there, though. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. But it's... We're not having groups of 200 people meet groups of 200 people and just running into each other on a football field and beating the fuck out of each other. Come on, let's go, American. Let's do the American team versus that big Russian team, man. Oh, my God. Let's see what happens. 200 on 200. Bro, that would be scary. What is this? The team fighting championship. Oh, God. Which is sort of it. Yeah. It's not the giant field one, but this is... This is...

57:20Holden versus Sweden. Holy shit. Oh, my God. This is insane. Jesus Christ. I went to Russia and they tried to... You know, they tried to... Fight me at a press conference. Oh, my God. Where did you go to Russia for? My friend was fighting. Fucker. He fucking got beat up by this big Russian guy. He fights giants, man. He just fought. You know, it's not... You know, he just fought... What's that dude's name in the UFC who... Johnny... The 205er. Like, heavyweight.

58:03Well... Johnny Walker. Yeah. And his brother. He has a brother that's 12 and 0 or 11 and 0 now. Because he beat Alex, but he's like 260 pounds, I think. And Alex is like 220 or 225. And he fights these heavyweights. And he had a good battle with him. He didn't win that one, but... Johnny Walker is an interesting guy. Yeah. That dude has crazy power. Look at that. Yeah. Look at that. That's him. Damn. Good for him, man. He had a good fight. My boy. Very interesting. 11 and 0. And, oh. Johnny Walker, he generates power for some crazy ways. Like, when he's fighting Paul Craig, and Paul Craig grabbed a hold of his leg, and he's kale in him while he's like hopping around on one leg.

58:58Jamal over. Yeah. That time that he got hit in the forehead like that. And he put Johnny down. Jamal. Jamal is cool, bro. He's from... He just like fights, man. Yeah. He's just getting there. He's got... He's got amazing timing, too. Yeah. His timing. He's long. He's long, though.

59:23Like, when he fought Glover, I was like, Oh, man. Jamal's like, you know, and he's coming into his own, too. There's a thing that happens to a guy. Like, when he hits that championship level, where they're just coming in their own, and they start to really shine. And that's where he's at. Like, that guy's got crazy power. He's a fun dude, too. Boom. I mean... That's wild, man. Sorry, Johnny. It's crazy. Because... Let's go to Jamal. He's going away from Grand Blank. That's where he lives. I just talked to him the other day. I want to, um... I'm like, shit. I want to train with him. He's the champ.

59:59Yeah. At 205, outside of... You know, John Jones. Is he undefeated, Jamal Hill? No. He lost. He lost. He lost. He lost. He lost. He lost. He lost.

1:00:16He lost. I wonder how he's got his card. It's crazy. His card's crazy. He just sent you up those triangles on him. He's got a smash. When somebody's grabbing you, you know, we have a race with Johnny Walker. So Johnny Walker did to... To Paul Craig. Paul Craig. Yeah, remember? Just holding on to that leg, trying to get the tank down. Johnny Walker just... So fucking athletic. And he... He's an interesting dude, man. I mean, if you back it up, so you could see how it started. So he he like grabs his leg and look at his tail on him while while he's holding his leg up in the air I mean that is nuts that kind of power is nuts.

1:00:55Oh my god see that yet. I heard his head man He's a big dude for 205. He's so big I love the fights man. So oh you know how Romero's fighting Bellator this weekend. I know Wow, he looks like he's 30 years old. Oh my god. He does He looks exactly the same. He looks exactly the same. That dude is a big soul man. He's a great soul. Your well is very strong. He holds up the community man. Support him. I had a podcast I did with him And Joey Diaz and Joey Diaz translated. So you all will say some of the stuff in English, but then you would say some of the stuff in Spanish and Joey Diaz are translated.

1:01:39It was amazing. Yeah Joey Diaz is cool man. He's a crazy guy man. Yeah good for him. Yeah he's the best. Can't a corn. Yeah. Can't a corn and I'll be fine. Let's have from the longest yard man. Yeah He was in there. Joey Diaz. hilarious. Yeah. He you know he came from Cuba as well And the way they were describing you know the system over in Cuba and like You well was talking about the wrestling system that he came up to him. He goes it makes sure my chain That's good I want to be an actor bro. Is that what you want to do big? Why not? I'll be good. Let me be a bad guy to move you a song That's what I'm saying.

1:02:26How about you and John Wick five. Let's go. Let's go You would be an amazing bad guy assassin with a suit or a sharp suit on Come on. That would actually that actually would work. That actually would work. I can see that. I'm about to go get married in Vegas man. All right man I'm about to go do I have a good time in the fam nice some fun So do you have any fights lined up like how does it work after this This last which you know probably this is like the most popular performance In terms of the amount of people that watched the rock hold fight was that like the biggest one that they put on Um, so do they have anything lined up for you?

1:03:17Oh Apparently, you know, there's a couple deals on the table and I really don't know What's what you know, am I supposed to decide what happens? Uh, I really My team is trying to get me the best deal possible Um, life changing deal, you know, I had success against rock hold and it's it's I've been doing good and I'm trying to stay on that path and um, you know I'll fight anyone. That's it don't matter. I'll fight and You know a lot of haters on the internet man. Come on UFC. Give me a give me that good deal, man. Give me a good deal I don't think yeah, they they match a deal like the ones that I'm gonna get though I mean And where do I want to be champion?

1:04:06Where do I get the most views? That's that's what I want I want to fight in front of the biggest crowd I can and people enjoy it Enjoy the show, man, cuz I'm gonna go for broke headbutt your shit and fucking and they don't matter if it's bare no go or if it's with gloves The boxing gloves a boxing ring Anthony pet is just fought Roy Jones Jr It was great fight uh You know, I think That's a great fight for me in boxing match and I love Anthony and god bless him and he's a competitor and you know it's uh It's just a fun little boxing match and if we could get paid good for it. I want to do it show up in spa I want to work with pro fighters all over so I said I wanted to go work with Jamal Hill What do you think I mean when I say work?

1:04:56We gonna put gloves on and try to swing at each other so we might as well just fight I'll fight Jamal Hill God bless him to I mean he'll probably be my ass. He's too big. He's two or five But give me a try. I'll try it. Let's go. I know you would. I'll try it. There's a fucking big. They are the heart They fall man. There's a hilarious video of you with Darren Till yeah, that's a good fight. That's great fight But when you're saying to him Do you want a spa and he thought you were saying do you want to go to the spa? Like yeah like I think he knew what I meant I think that was just his joke. He's clever little fucker

1:05:36So you know, but he's that's a great fight. What did we do? Where do we want to do that fight? Who wants to take that fight and get the viewers from it is me and Darren Till in any way Either MMA because he did MMA. Mosfield all clapped his face and then you know Yeah, he's a big guy that was cutting down to 172 and then Do you think that when those guys really cut down like that that affects your chin? People want to see me fucking fight in Africa Because they say I'm from That's what they say all over the internet. That's the joke that goes around fucking Unfortunate for Chan, you know what that is What is that the the internet when like when you just let it go uncensored?

1:06:29It's a website with crazy people Well, no, they The village sounds like something they might try to organize. It's because I said it a long time ago Oh fucking, you know I wonder if the UFC's ever going to have a fight in Africa That'll be wild You know, maybe unlike the same place where Ali fought Foreman That what they got I'm saying PFL has Francis and Ghana now. Mm -hmm That's interesting, right? Because isn't it something crazy like Francis's opponent has to get paid a million dollars. Did you read that? Let's make sure that that's true because I built I think I'm repeating that That someone told me want to make sure that's true.

1:07:14Mm -hmm Is that you know what it was it was style bender he was talking to shouts about it

1:07:23Yeah The PFL has offered to pay and Ghana's opponent a minimum purse of two million dollars And Ghana did not want to face an opponent. It was not paid what they deserve. Wow He wants to see fighters be rewarded He wants the best possible opponent So listen man that spices things up if you know you're gonna get two million bucks to fight him dies who are unlike the end of their contract and what's good about that? It's just like raises competition for everybody And I think there's so many fighters now that it's almost like we need more organizations But I think we definitely need more weight classes.

1:08:04Don't do you think

1:08:08Yeah, just meet up and fight I weigh 195 190 right now I probably lost some weight in this morning, but 190 so You know, I could fight a guy at the bar in the street 200 pounds right, but as a sport Do you think like as you have said do you think the ocean have more weight classes? Boxing does so yeah, why not When I mean who cares though we meet up you will you meet that I 170 to go back to 170 I've been at 75 and then my last fight was at 185 So but MMA is different with 185 But in boxing, I was a good size for 185 I'm short and you can you can box me in short, but When you're up against the kicks you can't Be dipping down.

1:09:03I mean, I still do good when I fight kickboxes, but I'd have to pick it back up again. I've had some trouble getting kicked before and things like that. I mean I don't know I don't think about it. You don't think about it. You just fight whatever. Yeah, you don't have a preference Um, like if you had a preference like if you had a we would your preference Sure, thanks. Would your preference be that like the UFC comes to you with a big offer Would that be a preference? Isn't that the top of the food chain though the the pay -per -view the crowd The UFC pay -per -view. I mean guys went in and out of the UFC for not since the 1990s when it came out You know and now and getting paid rampage Jackson Uh Love that guy.

1:09:54I mean, he's great. The rampage is awesome. He's got his son. He was talking about his Wendell A son. He has a son who does fighting too. Oh no, there's sons be could fight that could be a good fight Wendell A rampage again. Wow That's crazy. Those fights they had in pride were nuts That's something I really wish I had seen live He never saw a pride live, huh? No, I didn't Vegas I saw pride in Vegas, but it wasn't You see the you see the now though. Yeah. Oh, no, no for sure I'll sign your stuff and no no for sure fights man. It's great to be a part of that. Oh, yeah But um, what is different about Japan and the the pride era was like you know, you got like 90 ,000 people at the Psych Thomas Super yeah, or like the thriller man.

1:10:46Yeah, right. They said that was in Africa, right? That was in Africa. I'll leave verse for me. Yeah, biggest fight ever But that was when I was a kid. I couldn't have seen that. I could have gone to Japan to watch one of those big crazy pride events And I really feel like I should have um, I really feel like I should have watched fate or fight live When he's in his prime. I should I should have just flown out to Japan. Fuck it Because that's something that like that dude's like you want to talk about a legend Big door that dude. I mean he could do it. Yeah, I watch his YouTube stuff too. Miracle curl cop I watched all that stuff growing up, you know YouTube.

1:11:21I got to catch everything. I studied that I guess everything when you were watching on YouTube Did you get together with friends and practice like how did how did you put it together? Sometimes Um, I would shadow box shadow boxing is huge man like if you can't punch the air Then you can't punch a person true You got to know how to throw a punch and be prepared to miss uh be prepared to land And you know make it count Because that's what a punch is for. It's like I'll take you out quick. I don't But you know, I guess that's what the gloves do, right? Yeah, I'm gonna go back to that The boxing gloves give you a longer fight a harder fight Yeah No gloves.

1:12:06It's faster pace. They can't take it There's also the argument that you take more brain damage with gloves Because you get hit more because it's easier to just hit you full blast Yeah, you can't train bare knuckle though. So how do you train You just train with regular boxing gloves sometimes right like but only like myths and you can't spar with anyone No one's trying to go bare knuckle with me and right we got to put 16s on and hit that way When with head gear and Don't you think in that case like your previous experience in bare knuckle is a giant advantage to anybody who wants to just step in and try it now Again, anybody even but I fought someone with nine fights.

1:12:49Yes. Oh no doubt first time right no doubt I think it's boxing. I think I know boxing good And I think I'm a great boxer You know, I'm oh and one so I want to get a boxing match that counts onto my record because the trailer one didn't right So I'm still technically oh and one I want to get A boxing match and Jake Paul that would be you know, he's about to fight Nate Diaz. So yeah, that's cool That's good fight man go for both of them. Uh You can what I think Nate's gonna teach him some lessons always getting that was that you can you could definitely box definitely What what I'm saying is that like but you've done it with bare knuckle more than once And you can't do the same man nobody wants the smoke that way.

1:13:36Nobody you can't spar that way right right right So that's a unique experience the first time anybody ever does it, but you've already done it right We've done it multiple times successfully. That's a giant advantage. It's a giant advantage. You have right now It's very interesting. Yeah, and you're you're such a dog that you're like particularly designed for like that kind of fighting When I was watching that rock hold fight. I was like Jesus I train a lot man. I look if if you look at pictures of me in that moment when I was fight I look like a different person. I've kind of lost this since that fight.

1:14:09I've built that up so much For the camp. I was a different man. I was chiseled. I was focused. I was straightened out. I let myself go a little bit after the fight You're supposed to I think that's how you heal Just kind of start laying around and you know relax for a little bit. Yeah, just hang out. So Yeah, did you bulk up for that fight? I I tried to eat more. Yeah, I tried to I eat good anyways. I love going to restaurants and just getting some nice little wagyu Caviar and all type of that good oysters

1:14:54I like the solid facts. Yeah, that's hilarious. Thanks. Oh, yeah, man. You're living good. You're supposed to Alcohol. I got a quit though. Yeah, I will again, but You know damn, I'm gonna just sit on it next time This morning was rough boy Some more than was rough the ice battle like that saved my life. We'll get you right up. Yeah, yeah We have a new blue cube ice bath that is like a running river and you climb inside of it and it's torturous It's torturous great. I'm thinking about it right now. I could I got some work. I'm getting on the front. I'm doing PT now Yeah, I'm doing PT man. So what's going on with your neck?

1:15:41My shoulder just Um tight, I guess it's like, you know Probably I go southpaw sometimes because to try to make it feel better. It's like I do so much this way That this gets tight or I get some I get hit so much maybe on this side this side to get tight You know what I mean? So then it just takes PT and focus on it and you've had stem cells on it No, man. That would be cool. Yeah, that would be cool I think that's your move And put a needle I feel like go ahead man. Just put a needle in there motherfucker It scored a bunch of that shit in there. Gordon Ryan Had some stem cells injected. I think he was into his shoulder and it fixed his neck problem neck problem for a while you saying and Just because it goes it goes through your whole body But it's they do it on the site of the injury, but it's still you know There's a lot of help prepare.

1:16:40Yeah, it's like a sperm That fucking lays all over your shit and makes new genetics For our DNA maybe like attaches to your DNA. I wouldn't want to grade that in a science class I don't know that's exactly how it goes down. It's it's it's making babies Whatever that group is it makes some baby Yeah, it's replicated it fixes. Yeah It was a weird way to put it, but I know you're saying though. Yeah, I mean It's something like that whatever the fuck it is You can take people's parts of other people's bodies and inject it into you and it helps things heal He's got to work on on everything anyway, so like GSP he's always posting like You know stretches that he's doing or yeah, and so I mean he's doing that for a reason you got a working area out I know that you got a train your like if when your neck's hurting you got a train like do do your back Pull up.

1:17:41That's why I did that motion because I'm thinking about doing my back muscles So I've had it or the pull ends You know, I got strengthened the area around that's old school. That's how we do it. That's how you deal with pain You fucking work harder and you know, I guess I've never I'm talking about you know why having done stem cells and I don't know. I don't really care. I'm just gonna fucking deal with it and do it Well, I appreciate your toughness. I appreciate your toughness But I mean, I think maybe For your just your you know overall ability to To be at your best. Yeah, you should probably get it do do everything I can to try.

1:18:26Yeah. Yeah I don't know the money for it. So okay, I do got the money for it. Yeah. Okay, well 10 ,000 for some stem cells. I would like to know I know that um there's a really good place in Tijuana The Cellular Performance Institute. I know the guys that that run that and a lot of MMA fighters have gone down there A lot of MMA Eddie Bravo has gone down there A lot of people went to Columbia to do it. Yeah, that's that bio accelerator Panama has a great place. That's Dr. Neil Reardon's place. I actually sent my mom down there twice Mom really your mom got it done. Yeah, she's how she was having knee issues Yeah Yeah, man, it it absolutely can Help with some especially like soft tissue injuries.

1:19:13It's interesting stuff It's just it's new advances like that medicine are fucking wild. Yeah, I know I gotta fix tissue It's just it's always better if you're at your best especially when you're thinking about it But I feel like that's what a camp is I get these issues Right, I've had this this neck pain seems like my life force The that is a driving my life. I feel like I never remember a time when I didn't have a pain in my neck Or just a pain just walking around in your neck always or just anywhere Anywhere's understandable, but if it's in the same spot, something's always hurt Right, something's always hurt.

1:19:57Of course my finger right my neck. Yeah, if you're sparring all times up But but and what I'm worried about is that like the way you're describing it. It could be like a chronic injury That could be limiting your ability Like yo, well who we're talking about you all Romero. He has his neck fused Like you ever see a video of him. He had an operation Whereas like his disc was so fucked up. They'd effused the discs in his neck They'd effused the the spinal columns. Have you ever seen a video of him running There's a video of him running and his neck doesn't move Because it's like fused. It's great.

1:20:34See the video says Yo, well, Romero runs like his neck is fused because it is That's not what the back of me. He don't really looks like. Yeah, he does So that's that's his neck is fused I think he said that there was the most frightening time of his life because he was worried that he was going to die But there's a video of him running and it's crazy when you watch him run because like his All of this doesn't move at all. It's just completely straight. Well, hey, just look at this. Look at his neck Isn't that wild boog in it But like his athleticism is insane and He's doing all this athleticism with a frozen neck.

1:21:24I imagine having to fight him bear knuckle That guy What a what a fucking stud He was so good And it's amazing that he's so good still at 46 years old That's what he said I always think about guys like Dan Henderson Love Dan Henderson I love his fighting Dan Henderson's fighting was he that dude like if you're like put your hand on his back It feels like he's made out of wood like he doesn't feel like a normal person like something's going on Like like this lady who I knew that was his massage therapist. She's like It's like the most brutal thing just to get through all that hard tissue. It's all just like nodded out like Fucking wire.

1:22:11It's my it's our evolution. Mm -hmm as fighters. So I mean, I don't want it like I stopped I don't like getting Pedicures with girls and shit because then I'm like I I earn the souls of my feet through fighting Whether whether I wear shoes boxing or I do a barefoot MMA You know you earn the the souls of your feet. So it's like You know doing certain things. I don't know. I should I want to fucking get a shot of stem cells in my neck right now While we're talking about it, but yeah, you probably shot. I gotta go. I gotta go to another fucking country and no There's some stuff they can do actually even in Austin Wasted was an office in Austin.

1:22:57Yeah, yeah, you you can get I look it up in Orlando Today in America. It's just but to really go full whole hog You gotta go somewhere else and like I said the place down in Tijuana everybody raves about it. I know a lot a lot of people I know have been there That's the cellular performance institute and then there's bio accelerator and columbia And there's probably other ones too include Dr. Neil Reardon's in Panama But if you want to go there, apparently they can do a lot more wild shit than we can do here. Hmm. Yeah Yeah Places don't be safe I'll be staying home with the fan. Yeah, I keep myself.

1:23:42I do some push ups. Yeah And eat some food. That's why I like to watch cartoons. I hear yeah with the kids Play games. Call a duty man. You don't play that. Yeah If you if you if you ever wanted to go to the one in Tijuana though It's like right down from San Diego. You could just drive into it. Yeah, you know San Diego, California. Yeah, it's on the other side. Oh, no East Coast boy East Coast boy where you uh I So you Born and raised in Florida like where where'd you grow up? You said Michigan you said flant at one point time And then how'd you get to Florida? Uh Mom and dad separated and I used to go back and forth This is a particular type of wild dude from Florida.

1:24:37It's so much so that there's like a name Florida man You know, what the fuck is it about Florida? Oh, I thought that was me I thought the Florida man is me but Because there's like a whole video and a drawing. Yeah, it's like 40 minutes. I've I've been um Blessed in life where people, you know Find things interesting about me and make some cool videos and I know you know about that. I mean yeah You're the fucking coolest, bro. Everybody likes you. So thank you. Yeah, man. Um But Ah, man, I forgot. What did you ask me? I forget shit a lot, man Fuck do you worry about that? No, no, I'm gonna deal with it.

1:25:22Yeah My parents everybody forget shit, but like maybe you don't I don't know I don't know um you eat the alpha brains And then it helps with memory. Well, you know the reason why I found what what we even invented alpha brain was because I had heard What Bill Romanowski did You know the football player Created this stuff called neuro one. I was on this radio show in San Francisco back in the day and One of the co -hosts of the radio show said hey, I want you to try this stuff My my my coach Bill Romanowski was like he's just trainer and is his friend or sometimes getting him through workouts I want you to try this.

1:26:04It's a new tropic and he developed it To help with the symptoms that he received from all the concussions that he got from playing football He was having problems with his memory So he developed this like nutrient blend of things and enhance your memory So that was the first one of those that we ever tried before I did alpha brain. It's great shit Yeah, I just had took my first one before we did this did you know how's it feel? I'm wondering I'm trying to think about it. I'm like is it helping me because I'm forgetting all this shit But I probably need to keep doing it Yeah, it's that laughing gas weed too.

1:26:39That's stuff is yeah I think that's what it is to be honest with you. That's where my memory is fucked up I get high in here. I'm like, what was that fucking talking about exactly? It's really strong weed That's like Joey Diaz weed. No, I got to love it. Yeah, I got to love some weed sometimes you got to dump yourself down Just so exactly, you know and sometimes you got to clear yourself up right Yeah, you know best of both worlds be the line Just have to have discipline Enjoy yourself, but have discipline It's easy to live um, you know comfortably. Don't be mad Uh, you know, I ain't have a lot growing up, but the best times are like Just being on the move doing stuff hanging out so That's life man I Do you have a really an idea At any point where you'd like to retire or you'd like to do something else or you just gonna just ride it to the wheels fall Obviously, I have no choice.

1:27:49I have to burn. Please

1:27:54Pay my bills and I'll fight let's go And pay them good to pay better bills big bills. I got a monthly Share that yearly expenses more But I'm making good money. It's all right and it's getting better. So That'll come I'm down the fight man. I earned it after all these years of doing it We definitely earned it and you definitely under large fan base. I mean, that's really what it's all about People know when they go to see Mike Perry fight, especially half these bare knuckle fights They know they're gonna see some wild shit. There's guys in the UFC that have been there much longer than me And don't have more fights than me I had 15 fights in five years and all UFC fights a top guy top 15 guys And you know, it was like a lesson.

1:28:43It was like learning how to be a martial artist and You know And I've earned the right to compete against other great competitors in history for Spectacles and and uh, you know competitions try to beat these guys and rules that are written on paper Whatever the rules say I don't care whatever it is. Let's fight man. There's great guys out there too. It's like The more bodies you get to work with you pick up off of each one But it is a long road and sometimes I'm like all right That that's where I say fighting is a choice where it's like Well, I could just beat you. I'll just finish you right and right away And then I don't have to get in this long drag out fight.

1:29:35I just take you out Quit and it's over so I can do that in competition and get paid for it And the rest of the time really I'm just Um, you just you know work out enjoy your workout and then You know, I only fight for something that makes a difference now. It's like I can either beat you or and it does it benefits me or There's no reason to fight. There's no reason to train and I know how to win so It's like I don't need to add to my own attrition um, you know some people like those young boxers who have 200 fights Some of them kids are out there. They're they're not coming back Right, you know, uh, so I've always been fortunate to have battles and hard Shots are being thrown But I've been able to keep Control of my mind like enough.

1:30:37I guess I need to be smarter though. I need to read more books man I really got to read I say read more books like I've ever read a book like Shit, I read like a goose bumps book when I was 11 and there was it. What about books on tape if you're listening to like Um, um, your books that board that I listen to like just two hours of Audio books are a great way to do it because it's passive In podcasts, right? Yeah, you're listening to people talk more. Yeah, but even podcasts. It's a lot of it's just unless I mean Other people's kind of podcasts you can get informative stuff But on mine a lot of it is just shooting the shit Whereas like a book on like an audio book you can you can get like almost every book ever Is on an audiobook except some weird excuse or like you know Obscure ones, but like what percentage of books are available in audio?

1:31:33I would like to know that Man kind of most of them definitely got to get on that because like this is cool. This is the Joe Rogan experience and It teaches it's teaching me that like, you know, this is probably one of the longest conversations. I've had with a human being And you know and you get to and I get to pick your brain and stuff and you know, I'm all about learning man I guess I'm still so young. I'm trying to figure it out. I was thinking that a conversation is like a map And if you take the time you know the map um That you they call it, you know, that's why it's called spelling Because it's magic and you built you draw on this map which are words and it the map leads to a path and treasure and You know, there's opportunities in life on your map.

1:32:24So Your words are what make things happen business sit down shoot the shit talk Genius fucking talking on comedy stage. Is that really the origin of the word spelling That's what Bruce Lee says. I don't disagree with that, but uh, yeah, it's something like that. That's crazy Bruce Lee says that's crazy. It's it's magic. Your words are that's why it's called spelling. It's a spell For real, what is the origin? What does it say the origin of the word is? That sounds insane Oh my god, imagine we just like figured something out Bruce Lee said Well, so mid 15th century the etymology of the word spell is the action of speaking of and utterance And then the meaning is putting that into letters, but wow I'm I mean back in the mid 15th century when they're talking about spells.

1:33:23That's you know So back then just when they said spelling So the the action of reading letter by letter From the noun spell But the noun spell when it isn't that like what we click on that because would that be like how to spell things out? Or was it like a magic spell that's a different kind of spell. That's where I mean The English word spell has to be developed from wherever it came from You know, that's where this is going to go get into and Mmm. I it's yeah, it's a short form way to say he's right. I'm pretty sure So maybe when they say to cast a spell That's what a lot of people I have friends that say exactly what he was saying like be careful Would you say out loud because you're casting a spell as soon as you say Yeah, sure.

1:34:14I wonder how much that is real. I feel like I've lost You know the path to fights And I'm it the fight is one it seems like it's one before you ever step foot in the rain and then or You know, it's not going right something something and add nut some I'm messing up somewhere just mentally and You know and how to beat you in these rules sets And like it comes out in the fight And I've had you know tough fights where I lost before the fight even started I'm like it just seemed like I was supposed to lose It just seemed like I was supposed to win. It was too easy when I won or when you know, it's like It's someone else's in control A lot of the times I try to you know, make sure I'm the one in control and that's how I've been thinking since having success in fights and new sport um but Ultimately I just feel like there's another driving force that kind of makes things happen and I No control over it and it's either enjoyable or it's a a lesson.

1:35:35I have to get through So So you think that like everything that comes up every hurdle that comes up is is a lesson for you Is that how you yeah, absolutely right and you know I hope I hope that those I Don't need to look have training for a lesson where Someone attacks us in public. I don't you know, I don't have any experience in that I have three bare knuckle boxing fights. I don't have any experience in being attacked on the street. I don't want any You know, it's a weird thing like people's I'd people have Weird attachments to like fate the idea that you have a fate You have it But I wonder why they I wonder why people resist that I wonder why people think that's not real I wonder why Because in some ways If it if it was real how the fuck would you know?

1:36:35How would you know you would have no idea but in some ways it seems like it behaves like it's real at least in some way Like that there is kind of Away that it's all you feel like you've ever died before and then woke up and you're a different person But you're the same person, but I mean you've been growing for years You thought here's the thing you never know because you go to sleep every night You used to look like a different human when yeah, you've been and You've been so young for so many years Man When hair you looked like a different guy. Yeah, I did I'm 55 years old when I was a kid 55.

1:37:15I was like that's dead people. It's people are dead 55 that done man. It's over and nowadays 55. It's like you're a kid You just you just reach in the best parts of life is retirement stuff or like I don't know you've always had success. So you can just the most important things just to be healthy Right, that's the most the health thing. That's where I'm lucky. I get to exercise. Yes. Yes. I get to otherwise if fighting was not my job I ain't doing shit Really, don't you think you get this? Yeah, man. I like it. I'm just like my dad back in the day I want to sit on the couch eat some him and him or something Change I don't know I don't I need it sometimes though my brain needs you need something Well, it seems like you you you recognize balance, which is why we've kind of like relaxed after your last fight Which I think is important.

1:38:12I think you write about that It's probably good to let things heal, but I really do hope you get that neck looked out I'll connect you with ways to well before we leave Thanks. I mean, I get massage. Oh my gosh. I got one Friday. I had I was You know, Conner's always got the cup and he's always got the cup and marks and I was supposed to have a cup and appointment the other day and it's like she just did like four and moved them a couple times And mostly massaged And I was like man, I want to I want you to put a fucking cup in so you want them hickies. Oh, yeah, all over my arms. My back chest neck balls Everything yeah, I want to yeah, yeah, real man That's real pleasure.

1:39:01I enjoy that go ahead suck that pain out of my neck, man I've only had that done once the cupping thing maybe twice really yeah, I thought you dealt with stuff like I do so get a lot of deep tissue in tomorrow. Yeah, but the cupping thing I never really fucked with like two times. I think I did it But a lot of people swear by it. Do you swear by it? Does it work for you? I've gotten in a few times. Oh Jesus look at guys back. That's insane That's insane That looks so crazy But I'm not it looks like it probably that one that looks so fucking crazy. That looks like like spores are growing out of his back Like they're contained to keep them from exploding and spraying spores into the air.

1:39:50They have a glass I can pump your heart That's shit. I don't like it sometimes or I mean massages have messed me up too. Yeah You get your thumb in there and then something pops in like oh shit All right, and acupuncture at the UFC. They used to test that thing and put the little electric Oh, yeah Like a tattoo gun that stabs you. I don't know. It's not going in and out. It's just shocking you. I don't like that It hurts later Yeah, little thin needle don't do much, but then later you like damn Did you get relief with it though that of whatever the injury was? No, it didn't help It did at the moment.

1:40:34It's like it shoots. It's like you get adrenaline in that area Because you're being stabbed and electrocuted In a very small pinchy way like yeah, you know country way like ah And later it's so sore from getting you like acupuncture No, I've only done it a few times and uh, yeah, I don't I don't dislike it Like I think it works for some people at least they say it works for them. Maybe there's a placebo effect Some people swear by it. They might be right. I just didn't have good experience with it But it might have been I only did it with one guy. I mean maybe some people are better at it But deep tissue massage has always helped know that that helps that helps a lot.

1:41:19I could sit there for six hours and letting Yeah, I think that's I'm that's really important like when you get nodded up and yeah, that's why I worry about your neck Like there might be something chronic in there, but I feel like it always does this it comes back and you have to PT it and you work But that's I mean this stem cells definitely a part of that for some people do you ever use an iron neck? Like a workout machine. No, it's it's not like a it's a halo that you put on your head You've heard of it. Oh, yeah, yeah, and you like turn It really helps really Yes, and you control the resistance in how much effort you want to put going side to side So you're not putting pressure on the discs because you're not bending like this Which some people think could if you do it wrong could fuck you up But this is different because your neck is always straight up and down and you just strengthening all the muscles All like working on your range of motion with this halo I'll get you one.

1:42:16I think we have them here. Don't we have them here? I think there's still We still have a couple. Yeah, I'll get you one. Yeah, you'll be cool It's great, and it maybe that will help you too Because I know a lot of people that have had neck problems when they do it slowly and it strengthens the muscles around that area Maybe creates because of the resistance creates a little bit of more range of motion You know, yeah, that's all I need something. Do you ever do you ever do yoga or anything like that to stretch out? I used to man. Yeah P90 X back in the day. Oh, okay back in the day Um Yoga is I don't know what the box in I like to be tight sometimes right like Before a fight.

1:42:56I wouldn't want to be having to get massaged up Um, you like to be tight. I like to earn that tension. Yeah, in the gym. I work on it, but I Feel like I earn the pain and then interesting. Yeah, and then I don't know. I just I've worked through it though. That's what I'm supposed to do Yeah, your mentality is a very unique. That's interesting I have no choice, bro But what if it helped you perform better if you got it massaged out You could be too loose if if you're too loose you're not as fast really yeah That's what I just believe um, but there's a lot of very fast I know some boxes some Coaches are like I don't know a good boxing coach before their fighter boxes.

1:43:49They're like hitting them on the neck with stuff Like little hits some do like a rub like right before which is weird to me If I would honestly be like don't fucking touch me before we go out there and work like I have this I just when I have a fight in event I have to create this aura that fucking a force field that pushes You know my way through things and Like when me economy Gregor faced off He was moving all over the place and I stood my ground. I stood so still I stood still and I couldn't be You know wavered or moved He's moving all over the place I mean that says that he was free in that moment to do so obviously um But it was me respectfully Calling him out which shows the The professional in martial arts that I have been for so many years How do you call a man out in a sport that you know he has a family and um You know you guys want to hurt each other and they can honor it in a fair way and uh promote it To be entertaining.

1:45:09I mean everything he does people watch that shit So it was great to have him there really boosted the moment for me um Listen if he decided to do that If somehow another they gave him the green light to do that I did I can't imagine how that could ever happen, but if it did If that happened in in a barren aqua fight that would be fucking bananas That would be bananas That would be good. He's a good kicker too. He kicked cowboys to Roni and then he was fucking late to my arm Yeah, he's a very good kicker. He's a very good kicker He could do everything But I mean if it's somehow another he agreed to fight barren aqua me Jesus Christ you know how big that would be who My lord Mike No versus he practices it And yeah, he beat a guy who got me So that would it's a great fight man Wild They say it's the pink panty night now because I release a video on Instagram me eating my girlfriend's panty uh And uh if they did that in barren aqua it would get a million pay per view bias at least With car probably probably get two three.

1:46:26Yeah, probably no, I mean I don't have enough fans I don't know how many sell what was he saying to you? uh Fair play to you a respected. I love the way dogs I'd fight to no problem. Hey, that's okay

1:46:49I just It just it just happened man before that fight for that camp and oh wow it really so your friend who died he died just from a sparring match Just a sparring incident Yeah, man

1:47:07Terrible and he was everyone knew him. He was so tough such a tough guy. It's an unpredictable thing Those kind of injuries are unpredictable thing. So, you know Yeah, stuff man. It's fucking even more to fight for though, man. That's why You know, I guess I have to I used to say it back in the days of my my I was one of my callouts in the U .S. See who's like you want me to ruin next Fuck yeah, dude. That's somebody's life going to fucked up, man. As you are as me Let's go Figure it out. Give me some money. Give me some more. I need cooler things I flew private these Kempi pandas fucking flew me out private and and Put me up in a car and a nice beach outside took the family to VK It's beautiful and destined Florida.

1:48:01I never been up there and in that little pain in the love the the peninsula or the Florida golf of Mexico That's what it is that water is so sketchy though, man. I don't fuck with the ocean like that This sketchy you see that video that Russian dude get out of shot Fuckin It's got a suck, bro. That's got a suck. I kind of that's got a suck. That's a rough way to go, son You can't see them on the fucking like you can't get away. You can't get hold of them world, but it's fast And they're got knives in their mouth A giant thing Rob Deer deck went down there and Rob Deer deck did it Yeah, he went down with the chain mail and let a shark bite him.

1:48:49Oh, he's so crazy That is so crazy. It's just a bite for us bro. Just the scuba diving right just going underwater breathing in a fucking hole It's so hard. I didn't and Hawaii. I almost fucking Passed out my friend Duncan was staying at this resort in Maui and right where he was staying a lady got snatched off shore Snatched by a shark Was a lady or a guy Was recently in Maui like real close to the but like Duncan was there. I think it was there a week later Like fuck that There's sharks out there killing people and you're just gonna go swimming because the water's warm Are you out of your fucking mouth swing 60 yards?

1:49:36No, the water was a male Beautiful and destined and it's like I would jump in and then go back to the sand Oh the woman was the the one where a man was swimming with his wife. Oh, actually found one with a this is actually more Russian couple doing ice baths in the winter In Russia and he she they dug a hole in the ice And the wife jumps in the fucking hole and the current took her under the fucking ice. Oh my god She's gone. They lost oh my god It's fucking Russian people. God. They didn't know that it was right a raging river fuck. Yeah. Oh my god. Could you fucking imagine the har Oh my god Imagine cutting a hole in a river and not realizing what you've done when you jump in and you can never swim up river No, no, don't show me.

1:50:31Don't show me. Yeah. This is so crazy happen in forever family too. Oh Jesus Christ It's crazy

1:50:40But but maybe you know people people live on in life through their experiences and You know, it's like we're all connected In the you know in the in the fucking stars and shit and For sure everything you experience is now a part of human life She went down instantly and then the guy goes in right after which I don't know. Oh god damn Are have you ever been to Japan? Yes, that cool. Yeah, it was very interesting. I was there very briefly because it was just for a UFC No, it was interesting. It was beautiful. Very have some wagon No, we had some sushi though. Yeah, and the Geary We had I see you be eating that with a private stuff or whatever Yeah, I like I'm more in this ashy me these days.

1:51:33I'm trying not to eat too much rice I'd be down a carnivore diet Yeah, I like a little bit of rice Me too. I do too me mostly keto. Yeah right now. I'm just trying this out I'm trying this out for a few months seeing how I like it so far. I like it. Mm -hmm. That's good I cheated a little bit. I had a osie bowl the other day. Oh You got to get over the hump with it. No, sometimes I just feel like trying to I mean, I don't want to be stricled myself You know seven days a week one day a week if I feel like eating something stupid. I wanted some ice cream You see this shit the rock eats. Oh my god.

1:52:09He goes ham. He goes and he's like she meals on day Peanut butter and pancakes and glass of tequila Goes in man. Well if you're gonna do it one day a week. That's the way to do it. Obviously it works Listen Mike Perry. I'm honored to be a part of the longest conversation you've ever had with a human I appreciate you appreciate your your fighting style and your your fighting spirit, man You're a fun dude to watch. I'm a fan. Thank you man. I hope I can entertain the world. Fuck yeah. All right. Thank you. Bye everybody