JRE MMA Show #144 with Jared Cannonier

26:19But once I did it in the Army, I knew this was something that I need to do with my vessel, something I have to throw myself, I have to ingrain myself.

26:35So, that was in basic training. And then, luckily, in AIT, we had my AIT phase, which is our training phase for our job in the military. My AIT phase, one of my drill sergeants was like a level three combators, had like a level three proficiency in combators. I think it goes like one to four or five or something like that. And there was a battalion combators tournament that I could participate in, you know what I mean? So, we were training for like a month, a month and a half, maybe two months of training, basic white belt Jiu Jitsu, or the modern armed combators thing. And I loved it, man. I was having fun, I was learning, I was exercising, I was applying my mental capacities to something that I wanted to apply to, and I was ordered to apply to, or something I was trained to apply to.

27:30You know, something that I wanted for myself. And those were one of the best times I had in the military, you know. One of the best aspects about the military that I liked. And I got all the way to a second place in the tournament, you know. I think I had like four matches. So I got all the way to second place. And the guy who took first place was like some football athlete, just some buck strong motherfucker, you know what I mean? Who was just faster than me, you know what I'm saying? And my technique wasn't able to get it done. So I took second place by points and that one. So it was all good.

28:10So that's, that's the birthplace, your martial arts training. And so in the Army Combators program, how much striking have? When you get up to a level three or four, I think that's when they started incorporating striking. And that's what I wanted to do throughout my... So are they essentially teaching like MMA? Like how they're incorporating grappling and striking? There weren't, there wasn't MMA. I think they did. It went, when you get to the very tip top of whatever you're training, then they have like MMA, they combine the MMA. Oh, usually it's separate. Okay, so it's grappling or striking.

28:48And then it's striking like Muay Thai style. Striking? It seems a little bit like amateur Muay Thai. You know they have the head gear and the shin guards and there's no elbows and stuff like that. Okay. So they, they modify it for the, so I guess soldiers don't end up getting hurt and taking out a dude and stuff like that. Yeah, but why would you remove elbows? Well, they're too god damn effective to remove. Like you want people to be proficient in elbows. You want someone in a hand on hand fight who breaks his hands to be able to throw elbows. And a person with really good elbows can do that, but a person who doesn't have good elbows is doomed.

29:23It's funny you said it because I broke my hand in the fight and I had to finish it with an elbow. There you go with elbows. Yeah, I can't imagine why any effective system would want to remove elbows. You could give guys elbow pads. Yeah, you should have them at least practicing elbows. I mean, obviously take care of your training partners. Don't try to smash their face. Yeah, well, I think again, you got to think of it like the amateurs. They don't want guys getting cut or in the fight. Yeah, yeah. But that's the military. They want their soldiers to be soldiers, not, you know, world class fighters.

29:57Yeah, but if you're getting a teaching matter fight, teach them all the way to like, don't teach them Taekwondo. That's what you know for your military, right? Yeah, that's what I want. Don't teach them Taekwondo. Teach them Muay Thai. Teach them MMA. It's not that there's anything wrong with Taekwondo, but if you're going to train someone to fight, like, why would you remove elbows? Like, you put that back in there. You need to be able to stop someone that's coming towards you just. Some dudes, when you watch like elbow masters, you know, dudes like John Wayne Parr, dudes, you know, slice people up.

30:25Yeah. You know, San Chai, guys, you just know how to step in and smash people with elbows. It's, there's a beauty to elbows. Yeah. Oh, I'm actually increasing my repertoire with the elbows and stuff. I'm working with, working with a few, working with a few of the guys. I've been through some nasty elbows and sparring. He doesn't wear elbow pads, but he has such control and awareness of his distance that, you know, sometimes. And I'm not too spastic, so I'm not like running into elbows either. So there's a little bit of control on both sides. So, you know, he can just barely like, boom, I'm like, oh my god.

31:00Like, I can only imagine the amount of damage he could have done if he really, if we were going at it. But I've been working with him. He brings it out of me a lot, you know, working with Ryan Diaz, who comes in and helps me out, shows me a lot of the stuff, you know, he knows a lot of ties and stuff. So he's he's a more tight specialist himself. So did you ever see the fight between Nate Markwad and Tyron Woodley and Strike Force? That was the last fight. Oh, good. I did see that one. Oh, my goodness. I don't know if that was the last fight. I think that was the last fight. Very last event, really?

31:41Yeah, I love it. That was the last fight because that was the main event. That fight was insane. That stoppage was insane. I mean, this is like video game stoppage right over here, the over the top elbows. Yeah, then he had it with his elbow up a cut. Oh, my goodness. I mean, that was a video game stoppage. Yeah. Like people freak like they missed out on this Nate Markwad era when he was at his prime. Yeah. And that fight is like a great example of it. What year was that? Oh, my god, I'm not sure. Because I remember watching that. I was a big fan of MMA at that point in time. Boom. I mean, insane combination.

32:20Boy, I want to say, what year is that, Jamie? That's what been like early 2010s, like maybe 11. Yeah, I'm thinking that makes sense. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry. Especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control. It goes through payroll, your accountant, or your tax consultant, and countless other data centers on its way to the IRS. Any of them can expose you to identity theft because they all have the info on your W2.

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35:30That's what I keep here in 2012. Rock Hole versus Kennedy. That was a great fight too. So it was a great fight since Trite Force. My God. Trite Force was one of the few organizations where you could absolutely say that it stood like neck and neck with some of the best UFC fights at the time. When Nick Diaz was running shit over there, when he had that fight with Cyborg, when Nick Diaz had that crazy fight with Paul Daley, insane fight with Paul Daley. Frank Shamrock and Robbie Lawler. Yeah, Robbie Lawler fighting Melvin. Manhofe over there. Remember that one? You could say that when Luke Rock Hole was a champ over there and then became the champ in the UFC, you could say that the level of fighter in Strike Force at the very peak was at the level.

36:24It was at the same level as the UFC. Josh Thompson was over there. It was at the very same level. It was just elite. I mean, we just got through watching that. Well, woolly fight. Last event they had. Gagard Musassi. I mean, elite. Gagard Musassi is a bad motherfucker. Jacques Rayselza, Tim Kennedy, Ryan Coutour, who's a bad motherfucker too, who's Randy Sun. Josh Parnett, Daniel Cormier, Jesus. But woolly went on to become what's the way champion after that? After that knockout?

36:57Yes. Yeah, no, after that knockout, when he handed into UFC after that knockout, yeah, for sure. It was quite a bit. That Jay Haron knockout. Oh my god. Yeah, that was a nice deal. Yeah, there's, it's interesting if you go back and watch the first UFC and if someone did like an analysis, like some egghead did an analysis of like what percentage better are elite athletes today? I would be very curious. Yeah. I think we all would be curious. I think that we'll put into numbers, right? Yeah. You know, what we're actually doing with ourselves. Yeah. I think we can probably put some direction on how to direct that trajectory, maybe even accelerate it.

37:46I wonder if you can't accept, I mean, it's so accelerated right now. I mean, nobody's really focusing on it, you know? How many of us are focused on it? Right. And on combining all this stuff and progressing it to the level. And then it's only going to get so far because you can only test it out against the current level of competition out there. So there are factors, limiting factors, but if we all focused on a certain thing as opposed to if it was like a collective consciousness focusing on it, like a think tanker, some shit like that. I think we could speed it up, you know? Really? I think so.

38:26Like a house, so what do you think they could use to speed it up? Well, there definitely have to be, it will definitely be over a length of time. There will be a lot of training involved, right? Because, um, but I would say when people focusing on it, like you got different experts at different fields. Right. Testing shit, trials and trial and error and type stuff like that. You know, how science works, right? You get a bunch of ideas together, you test them out, you see, you document the results. Yeah. I see what you're saying. But I also think that's a big part, and this is what a lot of people disagree with about martial arts.

39:06That it's an art. I think it is an art. I think people disagree because they don't like arts where people get hurt. But I think it's an art. And I think everyone, it's something about whatever it is that draws them to that art. Whether it's wrestling or it's moitai, whatever it is that draws them to that. And to me, like, you're never going to be able to fix that with numbers. You're never going to be a quantified. Like, well, what drives someone to become a elite world class striker and then learn how to wrestle? Yeah. You know, it's a different animal. It's a different, it's a different thing.

39:41And you got to let people figure out what that thing is. Some people, it's a juditsu thing. They just want to take people down, strangler. And some people, it's like, no, they want to keep you on the feet and beat the fuck out of you. And you got to let them figure that out. And it's like, some of the best fighters are not necessarily the most balanced where they're graded everything. But they're so good at one thing that they can impose that. Whether it's grappling or whether it's striking. It's a really interesting argument. Like, what's the best approach? Is it to be us an elite specialist and then also an elite athlete that can pick up the other stuff quick?

40:19Or is it better to be fully well -rounded, like, like mighty mouse? Who's the most well -rounded guy ever? Everything you do world class. Ground game world class, stand up world class, everything. No holes. That's like the guy. If I had to look at, like, technique for all -time technique, mighty mouse is the guy. Yeah, I agree. For sure. He could do everything. The best all -around fighter. He could do everything. And he was a ghost. He was in front of you. And then he was to the side of you. And then he was kicking you. And then he was shoving you. Then he was fucking dropping punches down on you.

40:51And then he had your back. It's like, whoa. Yeah. He was a speed demon, man, with perfect technique. And a library of information. And that relationship that he had with Matt Hume. Like, Matt Hume is a very, very intelligent guy. And very interesting guy when he talks about martial arts. He knows a lot about martial arts. And he was another one of those guys that was early on. He was fighting in MMA. He fought Pat Militech in an MMA fight that I watched. One of those weird organizations that was emerging that we forgot the name of. Like World Combat, something or another, you know? But like that relationship between like a great coach and a fighter.

41:33Like a DJ and a Matt Hume. Or, you know, a George St. Pierre and Ferrasa Hobby. Like this kind of relationship that happens with certain athletes. That's shit. It's so important. It really is. I mean, you got to have a coach that's going to be able to communicate with you. And then you'll be able to communicate back with your coach. So you go from Army Combattoms. And what is the next gym that you join? Like, when do you start taking MMA as a path? Well, after I get out of the army, well, I was trying to do it in the army, but that wasn't a priority. So after I get out of the army, I relocate to Alaska.

42:11I use my skills that I acquired in the army to get a job with the FAA. And I get hired on in Alaska. So I relocate up there, me and my wife. And so we relocate up there. And as soon as I get up there, I mean, there's a lot of time in between my exit from the army. I exited what, 2008, December. And I'm in Alaska, July 2009. So in between that time, you know, I just found it. I had the bug, so I found the judo gym, you know what I mean? I'm broke. I'm broke as a joke right now, you know what I mean? I'm on unemployment because I just got out of the military. And my wife is pregnant. You know, we're, we found out two days before we had to clear post that we're pregnant.

42:52So it was pretty herring time for us, you know what I mean? But I still wanted to train. So I found myself a judo gym. And I trained judo for about a month and a half, two months. And try to pick up as much as I could. In between that, that time I was applying for the job with the FAA. Eventually going through all that hiring process of, you know, interviews. And a bunch of other things. We relocate up to Alaska. And as soon as we get settled up there with my wife and my newly born daughter, I look, I'm looking for a gym, you know what I mean? And I found a Gracie Baha Alaska that's up there. And I get into it, you know, I started doing judo.

43:36I'm like 300 pounds, you know what I mean? Training and stuff. In between this time, in between my army time in Alaska, I put on a bunch of weight, put on a bunch of baby weight. So training judo, you know what I mean? 300 pounds up there throwing myself into this martial art. You know, I didn't even know about MMA. I wasn't concerned about myself about being a UFC fighter or anything at that time. But one of these days I look up and see these guys are striking, you know what I mean? So that goes on for about a month or two. And I'm interested in it. And I wanted to get in shape first. So I didn't just throw myself into everything the gym had.

44:11I just wanted to do focus on judo judo. So I just did judo judo for a couple of months. And then opportunity came up and I just did a couple of the MMA classes. And it was fun. I was hooked. One thing led to another. I figured out they, I found out they had a MMA promotion in Alaska, the AFC.

44:34So I trained for about a year from like the end of 2009, early 2010 to about early spring. It was about March 2011. Where were you getting your striking in? You're getting your striking at the at Gracie, Bahá 'í Alaska. So the guys that were striking there, you just joined in with them? Yeah, I just joined in with them. Was anybody like a... Well, it was the MMA team. Oh, so it wasn't MMA. Yeah. Yeah. So they had an actual MMA team and there was the MMA promotion. There was a few other gyms in the town as well. So I just threw myself in. I couldn't do it at first because of work and stuff like that.

45:11And just being home with it with my daughter. But eventually I trickered my way into it and got hooked. It caused some friction at first. But me and my wife made the adjustments we needed to, which was either be close to work. Me personally, I either have to be close to while. Work at or close to the gym. Because that's where I will be spending most of my time at. So how crazy is it when you think of that moment then? When you first started doing this, when you had to convince your wife. And now you're one of the top middle weights on planet earth. It is crazy to create a man. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy.

45:53What a journey that is. And it's hard to think about it as it being crazy. Because I'm in a driver's seat. Right. So it just seems like the road that I've been on, you know what I mean? Right. So a lot of people are astounded by it. You know, so to go from a, I guess a regular guy to, like you said, the top middle eight in the world. But I don't really find, see any, I don't really see a scene in the transition. To me, it just been like, this is what I want to do. This is what I need to do with. This is something personal for me. You know what I mean? So like people go to church, it's personal for them.

46:26You know what I mean? This is personal for me. This is personal development. Not only just doing martial art, what you see on the outside, learning how to do a move. And you know, be stronger than the next man. But the internal aspects of it is what really drew me to it. Of being a martial artist, you know. Well, it makes sense when you watch you fight because you're constantly improving. You don't, you always are on the path. Which I think is very admirable and very difficult to maintain for a lot of fighters. To maintain their enthusiasm for the path. You know, they'll have some setbacks. And then maybe they lose a little bit of enthusiasm from the setbacks.

47:04And it's hard for them to like, re -gear up. But you always stay on the path. And like all of your fights, like the Marvin Vittori fight was super impressive. And that was a super impressive performance. And it's just like, you're getting better. It's like we knew that you were elite as a mid -away. But you even threw the fights that you've lost. You come back and you're better. Every time you're better. It's like you keep seeing that the path and the hard work is paying off. With every fight. And you know, that's interesting. Because coach said it in a very interesting way that once you get to that top level, the improvements are incremental at best.

47:41You know what I mean? So it's hard to see them. Yeah. And that's one of the things he's impressed by with me is, well, he says, because I'm making semi -drastically, I don't want to say drastic improvements. But I'm making some big improvements. You're making it to big leagues. That are noticeable. The movement in the Vittori fight was noticeable. That was very impressive. That your movement was like, there was much more activity going on. It was really technical. Satin them up really well. And it's only going to get better. I promise you that it's all good. For me, it's already gotten better.

48:11Because I've moved on from that. Right. So. But when the big fight like that and a big win is there also like this feeling, like almost like you've leveled up, like you've gone through, like you got affirmation. You knew it. You thought you're going to beat them. Vittori's one of the best in the division for sure. He's a beast. That's another dude. Like how the fuck does that guy make 185 pounds? He's a beast. He's a house. I always stand next to him. I'm like, how the fuck do you do that? He's so big. And if I hate it, I'm like 40 pounds, right? I hate it who just fought at 205 this weekend to beat Yonpo Hovich.

48:46When you stand next to him, you're like, what are you really way? Probably you're 230 pounds. He's gigantic. He looks like he's 225 pounds when he's standing there. And I think he is something like that, right? They tested them the day of the fight to see how much weight he put back on. And he was like 22 pounds or something like that. Something bananas like that. Yeah. What did he weigh, Jamie? I think they'll show it. They showed it before and after. Yeah. That fucking dude's good. He's good. And now that he can defend on the ground too. True. Look at that. 228. Bananas. Homeboy gained 23 pounds and had full endurance, man.

49:26He looked fantastic in that fight. That was a good fight. When you think about it, though, is that really this? I mean, it's like what two gallons of water? Plus some food. A gallon of water is like eight pounds. Is it? Yeah, I guess. How much is the gallon of water way? I never even thought of that. A gallon of water is like over eight pounds, I think. 8 .34. 8 .34. Okay. So yeah, you're right. A little bit over two. Yeah. And close to three gallons of water. We're definitely drinking that much. We're definitely getting that after cutting weight. Yeah. Yeah. So with him being that big, that's not really that big drastic of an increase when you think about the fact that we're, he might not be as dehydrated as he was at middleweight, but I'm sure he's dropping his weight, something to be, especially to get back up to 220.

50:15So I feel like I think when you dehydrate yourself, you really can really put down some water. Yeah. No, I agree for sure. And I think when you're a real big guy like he is, like the benefits, the benefits of that weight cutter without a doubt. Yeah. I was like 215 when I thought, uh, the tour. Were you really? Yeah. Is that the most that I've put on? Yeah. Yeah. That's the most. Did you do it on purpose? Or was it just, it just happened? No, it just happened. I didn't do anything intentionally. I'll just, the only thing I did attention was prepared, uh, like a big jug of tea with some electrolytes and stuff in it that I carried around with me.

50:56That's the first time I've done that. And when you do something like that, do you sip it slowly when you first start taking it in? Because you dehydrated for like how long? I don't sip. I just get it. No, because I cut the night of. That's the most dehydrated I am. I cut the night of late that night. So I can just try to go to sleep and then wake up and go to the early weekends. And that's how I do it. And I wake up and if I need to cut extra, there's still time to cut because I wake up early. I can't sleep the night of a wake cut. That makes sense. Yeah, I've heard different people do it different ways, but I think people are realizing now it's better to just get up early.

51:34To get up early and do it. Yeah, I think it would be better. You know what I mean? You want to sleep. You just wake up. Yeah, you want to sleep hydrated. You definitely want to sleep hydrated. And I'm just going to tell you about your missing a night of sleep for real. No, you absolutely right. Yeah, it's like you're going to always dehydrate yourself, but you're going to miss a night of sleep because you want to be dehydrated earlier. Don't do that. You need that fucking sleep. It's just I really wish that there was a way around it because I just don't think it makes any sense. And I know it's a tradition and I know it's the fight before the fight like John Hanukovsky likes to describe it as.

52:01But I just think it's it's unnecessary and dangerous. And I think it's dangerously unnecessary. Like there's no reason to have people almost kill themselves a day before a fight. Yeah. Well, I think it affects guys' chins and Josh Barnett was saying that. Yeah. Josh Barnett and I were having a tax conversation about this. He said it absolutely affects your chin. When you get dehydrated, your brain doesn't. Your brain? I don't. You're not just dehydrating yourself. You're dehydrating your brain, your liver, your kids. It can't take a shot as well. Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's one of those things, man.

52:35So I just I feel like it's a legacy thing in the sport that I wish wasn't there anymore. Yeah. But I do like to see a guy like you go from heavyweight all the way down the middle and I do like that. Because when you find a god damn he's big. Yeah. Like it's worth it. It's worth it because you know you could really be a bullion there sometimes. You're you're a big middleweight and it has its advantages. It has its advantages and durability too, I think. You're absolutely right. I'm able to absorb a lot more. Yeah. And though that's not my goal is to not absorb any of course. But it's a natural to be.

53:06You can't really block them all I suppose. But same for guys like Vittorri. It's like one of the things he's famous for. Yeah, look at the shots. Yeah. Because I'll put some heavy leather on there. And he was just looking to me like. Yeah. Like. Yeah. Now he's a warrior. But that was a really intriguing fight for me. Because I know he's elite and I know you're elite. But you know you just beat Sean Strickland. And then you went right into that fight and I was like this will show. You know this will show where he's flying colors man. You just dominated him. That was I think your it's your most technical performance.

53:46Do you agree with that? I think the Anderson Silver Fight was pretty technical. That was very technical. That was very technical. That was very. But that was mostly leg kicks and predominantly leg kicks and. Yeah. You know. I think I was more disciplined in that fight to be honest. Because the goal was he's going to be hard to hit in the head. Right. Well, I'm thinking comparing this one to the Strickland fight. Not to the Vittorri fight. But I was able to make that adjustment. His head's going to be hard to hit right off the bat. So I'm just going to touch you down here. And I stayed to that and they only took one round to make cause that injury.

54:31Yeah. Anderson is as far as I know the only guy who successfully come back after that Shen break. Yeah. No one else is really no one else was able to do it. Well, I didn't. McGregor. Well, Tyron Spawn. Didn't McGregor fight a. No, he hasn't fought since. Okay, he hasn't fought the injury. But Tyron Spawn, he's done it. He had a horrible one against Gokon Saki. Horrible. Same thing as Chris Wybun, you ride a whole same check. Horrible snap. And isn't he about to come back though? Tyron Spawn became a boxer. He'll still do MMA. I know he had at least one MMA fight since then. But you know, he was an elite kick boxer.

55:14He was a elite. He was so good. And to see his Shen snap like that, you're like, God damn. I mean, you would always think about it before you went to throw a shot. You would always think about the two years it took you to fucking regrow your bone back where you could throw kicks with it again. Yeah. I wouldn't say it slowed my kicks down. Chicks have done that enough. You know what I mean? Chicks hurt, hurt enough or a deterrent enough. But yeah, it definitely gives you something to think about, you know. It's definitely the most horrific injuries in the sport. Yeah. That Shen injury. And it's happened.

55:53So there's so many versions of it now on Instagram. Yeah. Find somebody you see at small shows where guys are doing it. Yeah. Accidentally breaking their legs. I think Milgera, good news on snap, was pretty horrific as well. That was horrible. I saw another girl get her arm snapped and then you just threw tournament. Yeah. Same thing. Oh, goddammit tap. I remember when Kabeeb had Michael Johnson. And I remember thinking, just please tap, please tap, please tap. Just please tap. Don't make me see this man. Don't make me see this. Tap. He got you fight another day. Please tap, please tap. That fucking spiral arm fracture from that Kimura is so nasty.

56:31Yeah. Oh. And I hear those are from doctors. I hear those are really hard to repair and stuff. It's hard to repair. You know, who knows if your arms are ever going to be the same again. That's a rough one to come back from. My friend Tom broke his arm playing basketball. Like, what was it? Two years ago? Jamie? Two years ago. It's still fucked. He's still struggling. His humans are on the... But part of the break. He broke the top. He broke the top bone up here. Oh, that's a humerus. Yeah. It was big. Big fracture. That were of damage in his hand. I can imagine that one being painful. Because my only is the break.

57:08Yeah. But you got the weight of the arm pulling on that thing. Yeah. And that could make it hard for it to heal as well. Yeah, I do. Andres. What's the worst injury you've had in MMA? In MMA? Well, I hadn't... In my MMA career, I've torn my pec training. You know what I mean? I think the worst one I had in competition. I mean, I broke my hand in competition. Did you tear your pec in drilling or sparring? It was just... We were initiating a warm -up. So it was a warm -up roll. Me and Ben was like a warm -up roll. And I was passing his guard. And... And then he... Been interesting. Yeah. Yep. And he...

57:46Shout out to the lab. Yep. Oh, yeah. All day long. Lab -bud day. You all know that. Everybody knows what we do. It's great. It really is. Yeah. That's the whole reason why I quit my six -figure job and moved to Phoenix, Arizona. Yeah. But yeah, he had a wizard on my left arm. And I was passing to the right side. So I cleared his leg. And I went to pass his guard. And I went to... I was extended with my left arm because he had the wizard. And I went to get strong to collect them up with the side control. And as soon as I contracted that pec, it tore. And tore just like that. Three little rips. And it tore.

58:26That was February. I think that was during the... That was five week for John Jones versus... Who did his last fight at Light Heavyweight Dominic? Dominic. So that happened in Houston at the hotel. Wow. And then I came back and fought... Yeah, that was 2020 before COVID. And then I came back and fought Robert Whittaker and Abu Dhabi. Was it still fucked up? No, the pec was fine. Okay. Shout out to Aerys Physical Therapy. Oh. Thank you. I got me wrong on my shout outs. Shout out to Aerys Physical Therapy. I've been hitting them up since the Anderson Silver Fight. You know what I mean? I've been working out with them, working out there.

59:08As well as working out at the lap, those two combined... You guys see my cardio. Those two combined has really propelled my career. But I came back after the pector of the fight, Robert Whittaker, and like not a minute into the fight. He throws his patented Reaper combo, one two head kick, and breaks my left ulna. Oh man. So I ended up fighting this guy for what? Another two rounds, plus four minutes of the first round, with a broken ulna, and almost got him too. You see the other guy, right? That's one of those crazy freak injuries that like... It can always happen when you're blocking kicks.

59:51But it was my fault. I blocked, then in my own to block, more reactionary as opposed to being grounded and prepared, and bracing, and you know, ready to absorb the kick. Like all the shit. And the reason being, because I was slipping his initiation, typical shit. We all see it happen all day long with Robert Whittaker. We all know that combination. But you surprised at the Dreckest Uplacifite? Oh yeah, who wasn't, right? I wouldn't say I was surprised as if he doesn't have the capability to do what he did. But it was still surprising to see it happen, right? Yeah. Because we all think so highly of Robert, and his ability to go in there and fight at the highest level.

1:00:31But it was shocking. I'm sure Dreckest, he fucking opened some eyes at with that one. Yeah. But to be honest, when I looked at that fight, when I was looking at that fight and the lead up to it, that fight went exactly how I thought it could have gone. Really? I even thought Robert was going to be the tactician that he is and pick him apart. You know what I mean? Maybe hurt him with some shots and get a finish or take him to a decision. Or Dreckest, who was a bus off, my words exactly, he does a bus off. He keeps going. You know what I mean? He doesn't slow down. He may look from the outside, look tight, but he probably doesn't feel tired to his opponent in there.

1:01:09I'm pretty sure he's putting some pressure on him. Yeah. And that's exactly what he did. And Robert began to wilt in the first round from what I saw. Well, he got his nose fixed now. He could breathe out of his nose. So for the longest time, the reason why he had his mouth open, he had no nose. His nostrils are completely closed off. So he won't look, it's also slags out and nose -lakes out. Oh, it's always slags out. But he also was, he would fight awkward too. I think it affected his cardio quite a bit. I would say that's your style. It is, but he used to get a little too overeager and he would like blitz.

1:01:38Just run forward, which you can't do with the witterker. You can't do with, you can't do with, you can't do with an elite guy. But he tightened all that up, man. And he specifically tightened all that up for the witterker fight. That was a very technical fight. Yeah. There's someone broke it down on Instagram. One of those breakdown sites, I forget who it was. Whether it was Lawrence Kenshin or one of the other ones. But they were talking about his use of the right hand, like stopping witterker in the right hook, stopping witterker as he was coming forward. And that witterker has this like leap in style.

1:02:11And that, you know, he had, they had figured out the distance for that. And that's when we started putting it on him. It was very technical, man. What he did was, you know, it was a very interesting fight. I'm going to have to find that. His, because witterker is so fucking good, man. For him to beat him down like that. It's like, wow, you got to take that guy for real. You got to take that guy serious. Yeah. But that's what I saw. What I saw, Drake is due to witterker. I personally feel was the effect that I had on, on a, on a, Vitori, right? Because I was in his face, putting pressure on him.

1:02:48Right. You know, I was hitting him too. Yeah. So, um, I think that could be a bit of a difference. But I think the pressure, the fact that Robert had to stay on, you know what I mean? Yeah. That does something to, to guys, guys aren't used to being on the whole time, like, in the feed like getting chased. Yeah. Sprinting. Yeah. It's like sprinting. It's a great to sprint. He can fucking crack too. So, Drake is can sprint in there. Yeah. That's a good time. I'm going to keep that one. Well, it's going to be interesting to see, you know, what happens with him and I'm in the sun. Yeah. I mean, he's not a fighting in September, right?

1:03:25Yeah. So, I don't know. I hear rumors that they're going to go with the, uh, Strickland fight. Well, that's, that's, I think that is happening now. Yeah. That is definitely happening now. I'm sorry, because Strickland, but they're in negotiations still though. Yeah. Because I think Strickland wants more money, you know, I think there's, I don't know, I don't know what they do. I hope they work it out. That would be a good fight. Well, I'm not, I don't want to be Mrs. Still your girl here, you know what I mean? I know. I was thinking that when he came on here. Yeah. But, you know what I mean? Are you preparing for something like that?

1:03:58The possibility to something like that? Well, when I get back after this, my diet is going to change. I'm going to prepare for somebody. How many weeks is Australia? September, 29? That's like five, six weeks, right? I think it's September 9th time. Jared canna neared it. Get it. Popping again. This episode is brought to you by Policy Genius. Let's be honest. We all procrastinate, especially when it comes to smaller tasks that don't seem all that important, like finding the perfect life insurance policy. Well, no more excuses. This is your wake up call to finally get that life insurance because it actually is very important.

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1:05:52Who knows what's going to happen. If Sean is being difficult, you know what I'm saying? Mick, you know who to call? Dana, you know who to call? You know what I mean? You all know Lou. You all know first round. You know how we handle business? You all know I'm not difficult. You know what I mean? I think you guys pay me good. I'm not going to ask for too much extra to go to Sydney. I've never been there. I think my contract is something that we agreed upon prior to these events occur. And you know, I think we can make something happen. You know, so that's what I'm going to be getting ready for.

1:06:23You know what I mean? I want to see you fight for the title for sure. Yeah. It's going to be a different thing. You know everybody, you know, we all saw the first one. And nobody was too entertained by that. Not especially me. So I've made the adjustments not only to make it more entertaining because I know that's what people want to be entertained. But do you have to bounce that out in your head sometimes? Like being entertaining or? I don't concern myself for being entertaining or anything like that. It's not. It's what you are this from. You are fortunately. Well, your style is very entertaining.

1:06:54So you don't have to worry about that. Well, this is coincidental, right? Right. Yeah. I like the very, I like the hip. If anything, I'm entertaining myself. Because this is fun for me. Right. I'm going to have fun. Right. You know what I mean? And this is something I tell people all the time. You know, I don't think of this as a job. It is a career. And I do get paid. It is my livelihood. But I don't approach it as my job or anything like I have to go to work now. You know, this is something that me fighting is only merely a part of my training. You know what I mean? It's like the test you take.

1:07:26You know what I mean? Every couple of weeks you take a test in school or you challenge yourself somehow. And that's for me, that's what this is. This is the challenge. Marvel Victoria is the challenge. Israel, the sun is the challenge. And I'm here to conquer these challenges. You know what I mean? That's a beautiful approach. So that's probably why you're just getting better. That's why you keep getting better. It's a fantastic mindset for an elite fighter. Yeah. The mindset of constant growth. Constant growth. I always try to learn. That's the only thing, best of love of it. That's the thing I love about it.

1:07:58Because I get to go into study. You know what I mean? Right. So something that I want to learn. Something that I want to dissect and analyze and break down. Not only do it with my mind, but do it with my body as well. That's something you can't really do a lot. You know what I'm saying? Operate. Yeah. A field of thought with your mind and your body. Well, it's also very impressive and very inspirational to people that you're doing it. I think you're 39 now. You're 39. You're getting better at an elite athlete's level. Like you're getting better at one of the most difficult jobs for a fighter. Well, a combat sport athlete.

1:08:40That's one of the hardest fucking jobs on earth. Well, that's in terms of physical demands. And you're getting better at 39. So, you know, I've mitigated a lot of the wear and tear through my years. I didn't grow up, you know, jumping big hills on bicycles and shit like that. Or anything like that. On top of that, I find my body to be valuable. So I didn't like grow up destroying my body or anything like that. When I got into, when I finally started training, I was like 25 years old in Alaska. So I got into a relatively late. I didn't grow up doing martial arts or anything like that. I wouldn't say that I regret it, but I would like it to be the other way around.

1:09:24I would have loved to have done martial arts as a child. Yeah. But it is what it is. You know, I think though, I think one of the, I mean, especially a guy like you that's maintained your peak athleticism into your late 30s. You don't have the wear and tear that someone who started doing it when they were like 13, 14. But, you know, by the time you're 25 or 26, you got 10 plus years of getting kicked and punched and taken down. Your knees twisted and your neck cranked like everybody gets banged up within 10 years. I mean, I had a friend who was 22 when he had his first nerve blockage. Where his, his fucking arm wasn't working correctly because his, his nerves are getting pinched in his neck.

1:10:03Yeah. I mean, so he, his neck was started to get fucked when he was a young, young man. Yeah. So by the time, you know, you enter into martial arts later in life, but you already mature man. And one of the things I think about like a big guy that cuts down is like, your body thinks you're 300 pounds still. You know what I'm saying? So, but you have all the tendons of a guy who was 300 pounds for a while. Yeah. But meanwhile, you know, you're, you're competing at, you know, 210 to 215. Yeah. I like him into Goku training in the hyperbolic chamber. Mm -hmm. As Super Saiyan, I just want to be regular Super Saiyan all the time.

1:10:38So I hear, let me just get heavy, train Super Saiyan. And then when I lose weight, it'll be like regularly. Yeah. Well, you seem to have got it down to a science. It sucks when people don't make weight like this past weekend, Michelle Pareda. Yeah. And, um, Wonder Boy, they cancel the fight. That's a bummer to me, man. That's such a bummer. Yeah. That dude's so big though. He is big. He's gigantic. Yeah. That's a gigantic one, seven. Mm -hmm. He's fucking huge. So I could see it because Darantill miswaked with Wonder Boy in the past. And Wonder Boy always felt like that was a factor that he came in heavy.

1:11:13I didn't have to sub for one of his fights. I think they were concerned either. I think it was visa issues. Visa and weight issues. A Darantill one? Yeah. But, man, it's interesting watching these guys come and go and, you know, and come in with so much promise and it doesn't quite, you know, injuries. Go to injuries. And really Darantill had a bunch of knee injuries. Yeah. Well, you know, the UFC is a promotion machine. And so they sell the world a dream for each and every one of us, you know what I mean? So a lot of people out there in the world have this idea of me that, you know, it could be completely wrong, you know what I mean?

1:11:52So, um, we all have these expectations. Everybody has these hopes and dreams and stuff like that. And us as far as, especially with the Microsoft front of our faces are allowed to share ours. So everybody definitely believes us when we say what believes me when I say I'm going to be a champion one day. You know what I mean? I seriously believe myself when I say that. So, um, but very few of us are going to make it to that, to that level. You know what I mean? A very few percentage of us are going to make it. So that's the reality of it, you know, um, and that's the reality I had already come to terms with when I first started this.

1:12:31So when I first started doing, uh, MMA, I already had a full -time job, a good, comfortable job, you know what I mean? Um, I was able to take care of my family. So I was good and I was able to go train. So I was happy. Um, I just told myself I'm just going to go as far as I can go, you know what I mean? Um, pretty much make myself no promises, you know what I mean? Because I understand that I understand my ability and I had confidence in myself, which is why I did it in the first place, but I understand the reality of it. And I should be, and I was blessed to have already have a full -time job to be able to take care of myself.

1:13:06Because there's a lot of fighters. A lot of fighters I throw, I broke trying to fight. Yeah. You know, the majority of, majority of fighters are in broke situations trying to fight. So, um, yeah, when I first, when I was training, it wasn't my goal to be a UFC fighter. I just wanted to go as far as I can, learn as much as I can while I have this time here on Earth. So this is far as I've gotten, you know, you've gotten pretty fucking far. Yeah. You've got a great approach, man. You get a great approach to life, a great approach to this path that you're on to be a better martial artist and a better person.

1:13:41Like, that's a, it's, it's, it's a fascinating approach. It's very samurai -like, you know, well, thank you. It is. I do take, I take, for me, I like to take energies from all places and try to create this, I don't want to say character, but create this avatar and equip this avatar with all these different perks and stuff that I find admirable, that I find moral and things that's going to make me a bigger, stronger, better, whatever. I'm a human, a man, a black man. If you want to use those labels in terms, you know what I mean? But for me being who I am, and, uh... That's a great way to think about it.

1:14:21Yeah. And not necessarily try to distinguish myself from anyone else, you know what I mean? Look to anyone else to see the potential that I have because we're all human. We all have the potential to do great and wonderful things, or terrible and bad things, you know what I mean? I tell you, this is one thing I tell my children, my children, you know, we have the ability as humans. This is what makes us unique from any other species on this planet, that we have the ability to be an animal. Or we can be something better than that. We have the ability to be a demon or a devil. Or we can be a celestial or a God or a goddess, you know what I mean?

1:15:02Not that we would physically embody our definitions of these things. These are just conceptualizations, but... I think for me that allows me to take the trajectory of my life and point it to where I want. I want to ascend, you know what I mean? To use the word that has been so conceptualized to Godhood. And I realize that I'm not V Almighty, but I am living a... An aspect I am generating a perspective, I am... So many different ways to put it. Living an experience, you know what I mean? That God can look back and say, yep, I've done this. You know what I mean? Maybe this has already been done, maybe it hasn't, but...

1:15:54For me, I just want to go up, be bad. I want to be able to levitate and shit like that, you know what I mean? Do things that nobody else does. Which is probably one of the reasons why I joined the Army and do martial arts in the first place, because everybody where I'm from, where I grew up, definitely wasn't joining the Army, and nobody was doing martial arts that I knew of. So, I guess I was just born a... a non -conformist, if you will. And I just like taking a route that I find best suits me. You feel me? Yeah, I do feel you. No, that's a fascinating path. I like what you just said. I like what you just said a lot.

1:16:35I think if people could adopt that mindset and adopt that way of thinking, I think that would be very, very beneficial to a lot of people. It's very admirable. Sometimes when you hear someone's philosophy, the way they think about things, and the way they approach their life, you go, oh, that's admirable. And that's what I just felt. When you say that, I was like, that's very admirable. I like when someone has a very clear, disciplined sort of view of what their life is and what they're trying to accomplish. And you have, especially with this mindset that you have about constant growth, about looking at it like that, like you're always on the path.

1:17:13Yeah. And to approach that as a martial artist, and then be a martial artist while you're still an elite fighter in the UFC, and you're still a martial artist. And I think that's why you're so good. I think that's why you keep getting better too. A martial artist first. It's awesome. That's awesome. And I think that, you know, there was a lot of people that felt like that was kind of lost, along with all the trash talking part of the sport, the pro wrestling style sport, which, you know, I think the first person to do it really good was Chelsan. But to me, it was funny, man. I loved it. So it's like I'm conflicted.

1:17:48I like it too, you know what I mean? Who didn't love it? He didn't love the Conor McGregor era, right? How could you not love it? Man, he came on the mic saying some wild shit. Some wild shit, right? And this sounded Jerry Stevens was talking shit to him and he goes, who the fuck is that guy? Yeah, yeah, right? He said so many iconic one -line is that. Oh, so, yeah, man. I can understand it. I can understand the entertainment aspect of it. Yeah. And I can understand the business aspect of the UFC, UFC, catering to that. Because I've apparently that's more profitable, you know? Yeah. But I'd necessarily don't cater to that, you know what I mean?

1:18:26I keep it clean. I keep it, not that I keep it clean. I keep it real for lack of a better world. You just are you. You are you. You know what I mean? This is how you feel about the match -up. Yeah, I'm going to be, and my only goal is to be honest with myself. And in doing so, I'll be honest with anybody else. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, and that for me that keeps me in check. Because I don't want to have to tell you some crazy fucked up shit I didn't do, you know? Right, right. So, I don't have to like mama, mama, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. It was at one point where I was getting ready to leave a previous job of mine.

1:19:05I'm not going to say which one specifically. But I was doing things that I shouldn't have been doing. And let's just say I got put into position to where I can't even say it on. Don't say it. I'll tell you after. Don't get sued, Jared. Don't get sued. I won't get sued because no damage is nothing. Nobody was hurt and nothing happened or anything like that. But if you don't think you should say it, don't say it. Yeah. But anyway, it was wild. And there was a moment where I was going to call my wife and be like, baby, I just want you to know I love you. But something happened and it may make our future a little rainy and a few, you know what I mean?

1:19:49Right. So, you know, so. Well, I'm glad you didn't do whatever you were thinking about doing. Yeah. I was going to call her and then I just didn't call her too. And I just, I'll tell you about it after. Okay, tell me afterwards. Tell me afterwards. So when you were competing, you start first our competing in Alaska. How did you want to have been Arizona? Like, what was the path to get down there? Like how many years in were you? Well, I was training from, I began competing in 2011 and I moved to Phoenix in 2017. And on our team, Joe Murphy and Lauren Murphy, Lauren Murphy's in the UFC, Joe Murphy, we're all familiar with.

1:20:26Some of us should be familiar with that pair. They are my first, some of my first training partners. Joe's a really good friend of mine. I love that guy. It's my guy. I love him. And I love going to one of my first training partners. But they had moved. Lauren, they had moved to Florida. Joe's in the Air Force. Went from Florida to Texas and eventually landed in Phoenix early 2010s. And when they came back to visit in Alaska, they told me, hey, we're in the lab. You know what I mean? They have a really good program there. I think you can go there and, you know, really be good, you know what I mean?

1:21:04As opposed to staying up here in Alaska, you know what I'm saying? If you want to take your, it may career to the next level. The other may lab can get you there. And at that time, I just, I was just now getting signed with the UFC. I was seven and no as a heavyweight in Alaska. I fought my last fight January 2014. I had my first fight in the UFC January 2015. So a year later, I had my first fight. So in the summertime, fall time, I was getting managers, getting in with the UFC. And contact with them. They said, come on down. You can stay with us for a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Do your camp here and, you know, go from there.

1:21:48And I went down to the camp and got my toes wet as they say. And I really liked the temperature of the water. You feel me? So it was a two month camp. I did my debut. You remember that you remember the card. It was Jones, Kormier, one in the first fought in Vegas. So I fought Sean Jordan on that card. And those who don't know Sean Jordan, I was looking at my heavyweight career in the UFC. I didn't get to fight any of these six foot four, six foot five, but he was a crazy athlete. He was a crazy athlete. He was a member. He would do back flips after all of his wins and knockouts. He stopped Derek Lewis with a hook kick.

1:22:30After he stopped me in the first round, he stopped Derek Lewis with a hook kick. That was his next match. I was watching. I was like, let's see how this guy got good. Because I'll be watching. See how guys do after we meet and we got to win, Erlis. He was a freak athlete. He was. He holds a bench press or a squad or a bench press. They lift records. Somebody lift a record. It's an LSU and he played for LSU. I think it was a full back for them when they when the Tigers won, when they won a championship way back when when you see a dude who's built like the Hulk and he does a back flip. You're like, what the fuck?

1:23:01Yeah, man. Yeah. He's built like a tank. He's built like, yeah, like a tank like a hole. Yeah. You wouldn't see that guy do a back flip. You're like, that's a fucking athlete. That's a lot of weight to throw around. Yeah. So yeah, he knocked me out in the first round. TKO, he didn't knock me out. It was a TKO. But did you already know at that time you were going to go down at least to light heavyweight? Not at that time. You thought you were going to fight as a heavyweight. I thought I was going to win this fight and make millions of dollars and quit my job. Right. I get you just fighting, training now.

1:23:35You know, so that wasn't the reality of it. I lost the fight and went back to Alaska. That was early 2015. So I spent another two years up there, you know, in the mean doing my career, I fought again in heavyweight and I'm sorry, I'm going to get on this mic. I fought again in heavyweight and won that one. That's the fight I won in Croatia. That was my last fight in heavyweight. And interestingly enough, on that fight, that fight in Croatia, there was like four or five other heavyweights on that on that card. And all those heavyweights are the guys who were looking and say, all that dude, that's the man.

1:24:06You know what I mean? It was Francis and Gano. Everybody knows him. And Curtis Blaz was on that card. It was Derek Lewis and Gabriel Gonzaga. Ben Rothwell, he fought. Who'd have been Rothwell fight? Did he fight Junior Des Santos? I think he fought Junior Des Santos. But those are just three behemoths, four, six behemoths of men. Yeah. Jan Blahovic was on that card. I didn't know his place, Francis. Timothy Johnson, Martin Tabor. Interesting. So all these big doozles on this card, you know, standing next to him, walking next to him. And I went by knockout in the first round. So I'm a big dog too, you know what I mean?

1:24:57But you started thinking. I started thinking, not that I was afraid of any of these foos. But for the second in my career, if I want to be able to compete and give myself as best a chance as possible to make this career work when I see guys like John Jones and Francis and Gunner. Francis and Gunner, it was, it was Kane Velasquez at the time, you know what I mean? Who I was getting prepared for. That's a guy when I did my training coming up, I was looking to him. I got to get ready for that guy. So I had Cardi. That's another aspect of my training right there. Cardio Kane, that's what they call him.

1:25:31So that's why my conditioning is where it is now, because that's one thing I focused on early on in my career. It's so huge. It's so huge. Having a giant gas tank? Oh yeah. That's the last question. I always talk about Primetime BJ Penn. And BJ Penn was at his best. He was training with Marvin or Indavitch. Marvin or Indavitch, I don't want to paraphrase, I don't want to fuck this up, but I'm pretty sure the philosophy was it's more important for strengthening conditioning for an elite fighter than even fight training. Yeah. Sure. It's water in this filter, more than that too. So their philosophy was they would get BJ to have the most insane gas tank.

1:26:07He already knows how to fight. They're like, just do your drills or whatever you want to do. But the most important part of your day is plyometrics. We're going to give you the most insane ability. So you do eight weeks of this. By the time that fight comes, you'll be a totally different kind of human. Yeah. With a crazy gas tank. Yeah. Crazy ability to change distances, to change positions, move back and forth. All the plyometrics shit they did in box jumping shit. That was like all the work they did. Everything was like high intensity to bodice and all these different endurance work and all these different things they would do for explosivity and strength and conditioning.

1:26:42That's just purely for like your ability to just generate fat fast twitch muscle fibers and throw them in action for fighting. And he was a beast during that time, man. I dare say he was training with one of my training partners, Rob Emerson. Yes. Because Rob Emerson has brought a whole bunch of good stuff. He did working with BJ and his team. Yeah. He's brought it over. He always has his doing explosive stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's always plyometric oriented type stuff with him. Fast and exciting stuff, man. Fast and exciting stuff. Because there's so many different philosophies. And then George St.

1:27:18Pierre, when he was at his best, he didn't do any strength conditioning. He said he just wanted to work on efficiency and fight training. So he was just constantly training, fight specific stuff. He didn't do any of the gymnastics stuff either. He got to a certain point in his career. He was incorporating gymnastics at one point in time. But I think towards the end, maybe he did a little bit of that stuff. But I think towards the end when we had this conversation on the podcast, he was saying that he doesn't do any of the shit that he did when he first started out. He was doing like box jumps and all this crazy shit and clean.

1:27:48Traditional shit. Traditional shit. That you see in the countdown show that gets excited. He gets hyped up. But he stopped doing that. And he was just concentrating on efficiency. So it was just all technique. Well, that makes perfect sense. Especially when you become a person like GSB. Yeah. But I'm saying there's two totally different schools of thought there. There's the BJ Penn School of Thought under Marv Merendovitch, where it's all strength conditioning. You already know how to fight. Just get yourself to this insane gas tank. And then there's the George St. Pierre, where it's all fight specific stuff.

1:28:18You're fight drilling, wrestling, fight drilling, take downs, fight drilling. You're just, everything's fight, fight, fight, fight, technique. Well, I guess that approach can be attributed to the person, right? GSB is more of the martial artists. You know what I mean? The more the traditional martial arts. He's a career, you're right. Yeah, he's a real martial artist too. But he's a Jiu -Jitsu guy, though. Yeah. Jiu -Jitsu martial artists are different from karate. Traditional karate martial artists. That's true. Sure. So I would say that could be attributed to the martial artists. I would say BJ Penn, you know, he's from Hawaii.

1:28:55I think you got some dogs out there, you know what I mean? So I would say he's got more of a dog in them than BJ would carry around with, then GSB would carry around. That's saying GSB got a dog in them. And got it in them. I know you're saying like BJ would fight you in the street. Yes. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Exactly. I think that could be attributed to the character of the person doing the work. And the coaches and the corner men around you and stuff like that. I mean, it's also you, the gas tank wouldn't do any good if BJ didn't have spectacular technique already. Right. That's the thing.

1:29:28You have spectacular technique. Yeah. It's strike. He was only one of the first Jiu -Jitsu guys who was striking. It was like fucking world class. And if you got you to the ground, he'd have won the Mundiales three years into Jiu -Jitsu. That's nuts. The wet map. The Mundiales, the world championships. BJ won the world championships three years in Jiu -Jitsu. Three years consecutively. Yeah. He got his black belt in three years, entered the Mundiales and won. Three years in. Okay. Obsessed training everything. Three years in. Oh, okay. So he's a white belt and then three years later he's a black belt and wins Mundiales.

1:30:05Okay. That's how talented BJ Han was. Wow. BJ Han was a phenom. He was a phenom. Damn. I just got my ground belt after being a pervert belt for like seven years. I was a brown belt for eight years. Eight years? Eight years. Yeah. I wasn't consistent enough. Yeah. God, I wish they could just fix injuries, all of them. So you'd never have to worry about them and get like 100 % just fucking. I would do this to until I died. I'd be like, alio Gracio on those mats. Oh, man. That dude was rolling when he was in his 90s. That's my plan, man. Yeah. Yeah. People keep, I mean everybody talks about 30 years old, 39 years old.

1:30:46First of all, I said I'm level 39. I'm a level 39, Jack Cannon. I'm a level 39 killer girl. I'm a level 39 badass. So first and foremost, I'm a level 39. So 39 years of experience in life. Exactly. And when I see myself as 60, 65, I see myself big chisel jacked, gray beard, gray afro with a battle ax and one hand. You know what I mean? Ready to fuck up anybody who's for the step foot. You know what I mean? It's for the cross that threshold. So that's how I envision myself. I don't see 39 the same way as most people see 39. You know what I mean? I do know you mean. So I want to be 120 -something years old.

1:31:34Finally getting on the dance floor because I don't dance now. It's interesting. It'll be something new when I'm old. It's interesting elite athletes that are able to compete at a higher age. They almost all have one thing in common. Extreme discipline. Extremely like Bernard Hopkins. One of the most disciplined guys ever in boxing. Never got out of shape. Never ate bad. Always ate clean. Always ate organic. Never drank. Never smoked. Never fucked around. Never fucked around. And competed deep, deep into his 40s. We're at a world class level. I think he beat his last world champion when he was, I think he was 50.

1:32:1250. Crazy. Crazy. The competed 51 and then he lost right now. Yeah. Joe Smith Jr. knocked him out. Yeah. Knocked him out of the way. It was hard. Yeah, I said that. He fell on his head right on his head. Yeah, that was horrible. That's so bad for you. Yeah. That's worse even than the knockout. Because a lot of the, he means he was getting clipped but the ropes were loose. And he just went right through the ropes. It was a shitty job by whoever put together that fucking ring for a world championship fight with a guy like Bernard Hopkins to go through the ropes like that. And did not have any protection for the athletes below the ropes.

1:32:46It was just a wrong crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. At the very least, they should have wrestling mats all around the base in case of the worst case scenario. Yeah. Someone falls out of the ring. Yeah. Man, to be, it's funny you mentioned, I would like them to have wrestling mats inside the ring. You think that better than the canvas? Yeah, I don't think the canvas gets slippery. Especially when you put the logos on it. You're right. Like I slipped, like last fight I didn't slip. I have pretty good foot in my last fight. But I ain't made some adjustments. But when I fought straight clean and when I fought out of the sun, it was a few times.

1:33:20And then when I was slipping, I was getting ready to go. And it's the logos because they get wet. It was the logo I slipped on. But even the canvas in itself, you know, I have to wet it and then step on the feet to, yeah. Why do you think they continue to use canvas? Because canvas also falls out. I would say because of the logos. I would say it's because they can have logos on it. But can't you do logos on MMA mats? I don't think they will come off a whole lot easier with due to friction. Imagine if they had instead of like, but they could have no seams. You want to have no seams though, right?

1:33:52Yeah. You can't have a seam. I mean, there are seams on the canvas. Yeah, there's like a seam every one. Two, two and have three feet. There's a seam. But you can't have like the Tommy mats where they're like stuck together. You can't have the possibility of a toe getting in a crack. That's the thing about a wrestler mat. Maybe not as thick as those thick ones. Right. But not the surface of a wrestling mat because they're wearing shoes. You don't want the surface of like the Tommy mats where you have the texture to it. Because I remember we switched to a smooth mat at one time in my old studio.

1:34:29And I couldn't use it because as soon as I got sweaty every time I went to throw a kick, I'm slipping all over the place. I mean, this sucks. And that's another reason why they use the canvas because it's absorbent. Right. It does absorb, but if your feet are dry, it's real slippery. And if they do get the logos, the logos, like, I don't know how they apply them. But if they're just like, what's that shit when you do with the iron? What's that called? Jamie. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like a heat sort of. What does it called? It used to iron on. Yeah, heat transfer. So if you get like a cheap t -shirt from someone that's real thick, like this is a nice t -shirt.

1:35:03It's like, it's, there's not so much material that's thick. If you have that on a canvas, or it's real thick, that's just not going to, water's not going to go through there. It's going to puddle up on that. Right. And you know what? Yeah, right on top of it. And if you lose a fight or get an injury just specifically because of that, that's a shame. That's a shame. It feels like to me, there's a better way. I mean, how many people are buying something because they see someone get the fuck beaten up on top of it? Yeah. I've seen those, right? They got those cards that have pieces of the mats in them.

1:35:36Right. Well, I'll memorize the event. That makes sense, actually, if you're a big fan. And also, it does make sense that people find out about products. I just wish there was a way to do it where it didn't fuck with the performance. Speaking of shirts, you got a Jerk engineer merch. Yes. Nice. I was going to give it to you for one of my fights, but I don't think you would... That's a perfect example. Like, do you see how shiny that is? Yeah. There's no way water's getting through that. Right. Right, if that was on a canvas, that would suck. It would definitely... But how do they do it on a canvas?

1:36:07I would imagine they've thought about this. I'm sure this was, like, they put like a press on it with this one. Right. If the canvas, they just do die. Can't they just do it with die? Yeah. Let me give my shout out to him real quick. Shout out to Nelson for hitting me up. He gave me... He gave me up with the artwork for this shirt. Right? And I put it on a shirt. So I really like this one. And what's the website where people can buy this? Thank you very much. You don't know? I can't near the cop. I don't know. It's on the link in my bio. Do you have a personal website? I just... It's on the link in my bio and I'm going to...

1:36:41There you go. Killer gorilla. Merchandise. Okay. You're beautiful. Okay. It's in your Instagram. There you go. Nice. This one is not on sale yet. Right? But I have the answer. Huh? When's it going to be on sale? Probably soon after this podcast really leases it. All right. There you go. But, uh, yes. I have my home... You're wearing it. You can just show them on your shirt. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So I'm giving you this one. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you. And this one's actually a little bit different. It's not as thick the, uh... No, it's not. The thing on top is in and it's thick as well.

1:37:13Yeah, it's pretty different. Well, the other one's like a graphic image. Yeah. But that's... This one is exactly what I'm talking about. Like this kind of stuff. If this is, uh, if sweat hits this and you have to move your feet around it, you're going to slide all over the place. Absolutely. Yeah. Did you ever compete in the crazy days where people were allowed to wear wrestling shoes? Was that on phased out by a time you were in? No. My first fight was in 2011. Ah, I was. I was way out of it. I remember when dudes wore wrestling shoes all the time. Yeah. I mean, there was something used. I'm sure right.

1:37:41Some local promotion that... I wonder. That I'm going to adhere to, strictly adhered to UFC's standard of martial arts. That seems so dangerous though. Wrestling shoes like a head kick with wrestling shoes like if the foot goes in the eye. It's kind of a weapon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, it's just especially heel hooks and shit for the person who's wearing them. Yeah. Well, wrestling is a huge factor. Yeah, he's a huge factor. That grip and traction. Yeah, that's gigantic. Both in defense and offense. Yeah. Imagine somebody wearing wrestling shoes against DC, right? Right. They could be... They're getting taken down right off the top.

1:38:16It's also the thing about generating power in punches. Like you get more traction. They grip, yeah. Yeah, you're really digging in with your feet. No, I've injured my toes naturally from kicks or whatever. And I've had to wear wrestling shoes for training. Now, one thing where wrestling shoes for me has done has helped... Sort of increase, make better, enhance my footwork, right? It makes me be more cognizant of how I'm placing my feet as opposed to dragging my feet across the mat or the surface of whatever... Whatever surface I'm moving on. Oh, because there's traction in the bottom of it. Yeah.

1:38:55So, you can't slide as easily. Exactly. Interesting. So, I have to use precise footwork. I've been trying to use precise foot placement. And I actually use that as a teaching technique when I try... I teach a class at the lab Saturdays at 10 p .m. at the MMA lab. And that's one of the things I... An analogy that I use was imagine anybody who's seen the Kung Fu Panda move or any old Kung Fu movie where they have those training setups, whereas a bunch of logs standing on in, and they just have like that small two, three inch surface, round surface to stand on, and want to move around on and do all these Kung Fu training and manuas and shit on.

1:39:33Kung Fu Panda is the one that comes to mind big time for me. But that would facilitate precise foot placement, precise footwork. You have to place your foot in a precise position, and of course, maneuver your body in accordance, but it all starts with the feet. So, that's one thing that I... That's a huge thing that I ingrained in myself, it's footwork. And where are you, like, taking footwork from specifically? Like, where are you learning from? Self -talk. Self -talk. Self -educated. Just what you like, like things that work for you when you're sparring your foot. Things that I find are effective, things that I find that I can find that are accessible for me, you know what I mean?

1:40:16Things that I know work. I watch. For me, I'm like rogue. You know what I mean? Rogue from the X -Men. I see something in the imitate. And I can imitate it, you know what I mean? Or like, Kakashi. Yeah, I'm an anime guy too. Okay, there you go. I'll see something I can do that shit. You know how much it bums out some dudes that, like, killers are anime nerds? Yeah. Well, you know, those guys are missing out, right? You can't miss it out if you enjoy it. I wouldn't say I'm an anime nerd because there's a lot of anime that I don't watch, and I can't watch. But speaking of footwork, did you watch the Terrence Crawford Earl Spence Jr.?

1:40:50Oh, yeah. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. And I just saw so many different levels. And in both fighters, but mostly in Terrence Crawford, I saw him change his tempo, change his approach to the fight. You know what I mean? Make those adjustments. And the ability to land hard shots in so tight. In tight quads. Yes, really tight positions. And so accurate. Just inches away from him and he's landing these right hooks. Oh, my God. What a performance. Yeah. What a performance. Beautiful. Amazing. There you see it there. There's one of the knock downs. Mm -hmm. Yeah, boxing is one of the sports that I continue to watch out.

1:41:32What a, that I really, uh, continue to watch after getting into MMA. And a lot of people for whatever reason are sort of trying to come up with reasons where Earl Spence didn't perform as well they thought he was going to. But I think you just have to say Terrence Crawford is that good. Yeah. I think he's just that good. I think we, we, we found it doesn't mean that Earl Spence is an amazing. He is. But I think Terrence Crawford, I think you're looking at an all -time great. Yeah. I really do. He's, in my opinion, the best switch hitter in boxing since Marvin Hagler. And he might be better. He's so good, man.

1:42:08He's so good. Yeah. He's so good. And he's going to fight, I think Boots Ennis is his mandatory. Oh, really? Yeah, which is an amazing fight. Oh, yeah. That's an amazing fight. See, it's probably some Boots Ennis. Yeah. Because this dude's movement is next level. Yeah. And he's another one that is a brilliant switch hitter. Yeah. Terrence Boots Ennis. They have to fight them soon if they plan on keeping the title. Go to a video of Boots Ennis. Because that dude, yeah, highlights. That dude is phenomenal. He's fantastic. When you watch him fight, man, he's so precise. It's so slick.

1:42:56He's really, really good. And he's also undefeated. I mean, come on, son. This dude. And this is, you know, early on in his career. I mean, from the moment people first start stringing this guy fight, they're like, this guy is super talented. Something special. You know, and so that's a big test, man. This guy is good. Like World Championship good.

1:43:27Dude, I mean, is he ready for Terrence Crawford? I don't know. We're going to find out. And it's going to be interesting. Go like a little further up ahead and his highlights. I mean, he, look at that movement, man. Look at that. Oh, play that again. Play that again. Come on, son. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. I mean, that head movement is a thing of beauty. And to do that while you're wearing shorts like that. Yeah. You know, you know, do film and stuff. He wears shows like that. Fight like that, too. Look at that right, Hanne just landed. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. So talented.

1:44:11So that's interesting. That's very interesting. Yeah. So yeah, I like watching guys like this, you know, because I pick up so much just watching fights like these. Yeah. And I'll watch a fight. And I'll go back and watch around like three, four times. I'll watch a certain part of it around like, damn, you see that technique? And then I'll go back and watch the whole rare. And then I'll maybe watch the round and front of that to see if there was something like a tail at the fight of Malfe scene. So do you watch all kinds of things? Do you watch like kickboxing? Do you watch other M &A conversations?

1:44:46Anything combat related, you know what I mean? It can even be, you know, I wouldn't say the gimmicky stuff, but the less conventional MMA stuff. You feel me? So I can kind of stuff. Like a capoeira? Oh, okay. You know what I mean? I studied capoeira. And I have a few where I call my $50 ,000 moves. I had a capoeira capoeira, baby. That's funny. Yeah. So a fight night bonus. Exactly. If I break them out in the fight, if I land, you know what I mean? These moves are pretty much finishing moves. Yeah. You know what I mean? If I land in it, land is sitting to fight. I'm pretty much going to guarantee a bonus.

1:45:23So, um, Capoeira is a risky martial art though. But it can work. Oh, absolutely. We've seen it. I've seen it work. How about like that San Chai, like Cartwheel Kick? That shit works. Yeah. He pulls that off all the time on people. Yeah. He kicks people in the face with that. Yeah. It's, it's unorthodox stuff sometimes. You don't see coming. It can work. And there's a lot, a lot of force behind those kicks. And I would also imagine that learning Capoeira would be just like when George C. P. I got really into gymnastics, it would, it would help your athleticism. Yeah. I've made that same correlation.

1:45:59So yeah, it really does make sense. Yeah. Just like yoga does. Just like anything that's requiring you to flip your body around like that and throw kicks into the air. Yeah. That's got to be good for everything. You know, or just be able to hold your weight up on the ground and stuff like that. Yeah. So are you in kind of like a holding pattern right now just to see what happens with, uh, Australia, whether or not they, they signed Strickland and have they contacted you and said, Hey, Jared, nobody said anything to me. So, uh, yeah, this podcast. I would hope so. Um, it's good timing. I would hope so, right?

1:46:34Like I told him, I know I'm here. I'm waiting. I'm ready. Well, I personally hope that they, um, they, this Strickland thing gets worked out. Mm -hmm. Because, uh, I think that's an interesting fight. And I would like to see you fight whoever wins that fight. Yeah. And I think that you're, you know, you're right in line, man. And it's, uh, it's a real fun time for the division. There's so much talent in that division. Yeah. When Trekkah's duplicity just beating Robert Brittaker like that. And Brittaker was always the guy that was like right below Adesanya and like creeping up on him. Yeah. Like in the last fight, he got closer.

1:47:06Mm -hmm. Like it was a unanimous decision lost, but he had his moments in that fight. It was a much, much, much better performance than his first fight where he got taken out quick. Yeah. So everybody was thinking that that's the guy. Now you watch Trekkah's duplicity beat him down. And you're like, wow. Yeah. It's going to open some eyes. Definitely bring a lot of attention. A lot more attention back to the middleweight division after what he did that, uh, was a couple of weeks ago. Mm -hmm. There's just so much talent now. Cool. So much talent in the sport. These guys that are just jumping in that are UFC debuts and watching the fight.

1:47:38Like that guy looks like a world -class contender. Yeah. See, when I see stuff like that, right? I'm like, yes. They look good, especially in the first round. Right? Don't we all look good in the first round? Right. So, yeah. And on top of that, I think when you're having your fight and debut fights is completely different from fighting top five. Of course. Top 10 fighters, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, um, those, like even with, uh, there's so many different examples. Johnny Walker is a big example. He came in while blazing guns are blazing. And he was successful until he got to that top level and realized that he let me settle down a little bit.

1:48:18These men are older up here. These some growing men up here. You can't just come wild. No. You can't. It might work. Yeah. I mean, it works on a lot of people. Yeah, but you can't, well, when you get to work. But at the top level, you can't take those risks. You don't want to, you don't want to be taking those type of risks. You want to take risks. Yeah. But those type of risks are sort of, you don't have to take that type of risk. You know what I mean? The thing is in that flashy style where he's taking those risks, occasionally he has like the most insane knockouts. Because the guy generates crazy power.

1:48:52Yeah. That Khalil Rountry knockout, that elbow from in tight, and another, uh, like vote for elbows there. Yeah. Because that was insane. That was nice. His power is great. The went when he, um, uh, what was it? Which was his last fight? Um, fuck. Uh, go to he just, fuck it. God damn it. It's at the tip of my tongue.

1:49:20Fuck. I hate when this happens. Um, anyway, he won by knockout. He's, he's so big too. He looks like he should be a heavyweight. He's another guy like a 205. He's enormous. And that's one of the reasons why I was like, here, man, let me go down the middle way too. Cause everybody else fighting was like 64, 62, 63. I'm like, damn, I thought Paul Craig, that's what it was. That's what, yeah, that's what it was. Shhh, walking I remember that. Yeah, he was, uh, Paul Craig was grabbing a single. He was beating him up, Kaelin, him. Oh, he's holding on to his leg. Yeah, when he started hammer fisting, I was standing, yeah.

1:49:59Crazy. He could generate that kind of power. Yeah, that, but yeah, I would have been more or albeder right out of the gate. But what happens when he fights the more lead guys? But I think he probably does cap a wetter, right? I would assume he moves around. I'm sure he's probably done it for sure. You know, so I mean, he's able to generate, that was his whole body. He was able to generate power for that, for that position. So, but when you get to a level like Jamal Hill, that's not, yeah, you can't, you don't want to be doing that. You don't want to wild shit with that guy. If you want to take risks, right?

1:50:33I mean, by all means, do your thing, you know what I mean? But it's not a high percentage. Yeah, you have a percentage. Yes, the margin of error goes down drastically. Yeah, yeah. So that's one thing I've realized, especially after fighting, um, fighting Robert, fighting Kelvin and Israel, right? That the margin of error is just, is much finer up here. So, not only do I have to be better, but I even have to get, get better at getting better. You know what I mean? I have to think about things through a my, I gotta just look at these techniques through a microscope. You know what I'm saying? There's so much that goes on when you extend for a punch or when you step to move or step to find there's so much, so much of an effect that it has.

1:51:31Not only on my position, but the way my opponent is going to respond and maybe you may reposition himself. Do you write down things that you've learned? I don't really write down things. Just keep in your head. I just keep in my head, fill it with my being, my vessel. Um, sometimes rarely though, without writing food, write some things down. Like if I'm in camp and I need to keep this stuff on my mind. If it's something that I'm like, I need to just keep this on my mind as long as I can keep it, keep it, keep it conscious. I'll do it. So without having my coach to tell me, this is what we gotta do, this is what we gotta do.

1:52:06So, but, um, it's hard. This is not enough time to train everything, not enough time to get good everywhere. Right. Not enough time to recover from all the workouts. Nothing mentioned in that, right? Yeah. What do you, uh, do you do anything, uh, unique for your, for your recovery? I, um, I do have a, I have a, a punch. Cold punch. Yep. I use a cold punch. I, I, I, I mean, uh, epsem salt. I stretch, um, stretching is huge, especially post workout. I think that is, uh, one of the bigger things, one of the more prominent things that I do to help with my recovery. Um, I get massages, you know, uh, other than that, nothing else really.

1:52:58When do you do the cold? Especially during fight camps. Um, do you just have to workouts? I would do it after workouts. But I also know the benefits of doing it, like first thing when you wake up, you know what I mean? And, um, I just hadn't gotten that far in my journey with this, uh, cold punch yet. So, but I definitely want to, I definitely love using it, using it prior to this fight and, uh, help me out. Because when I got to the, to the PI and used the plunge there, it was very nice having the hot tub right next to the plunge. So I can go out of one and into the other and use that, uh, one extreme to the next for some mental training.

1:53:39You know what I mean? And I felt, I felt great, you know, they got a bitch ass cold plunge at the PI. You said a bitch ass cold plunge. What was this? I think it was like 40s. I thought it was like 45 or something. It felt cold in their minds. I got a bitch 34. I said, well, I said my cold plunge to bitch then. Yeah, I got given. I'm, I'm on it. I'm incrementing my way down. I'm make my way down. The thing is once you start doing it 34, you get used to it. You know, you will get used to it. You could use to it. Yeah, exactly. And that's how I felt. I hear about people cold plunge at 52 degrees and they shut the fuck up.

1:54:17Don't even hear it. I'm not cold plunge. You look warm water plunge. So what do you do? Is it 34? 34? Yeah. Yeah. For how long? It sucks. Three minutes. Just one session? Yeah. Well, sometimes too. Sometimes what I'll do is I'll do it before the workout and then after the workout, I'll do a sauna session and then after the sauna, I'll go back in for a few minutes. You go before your workout? Yeah, I do it in the morning, first thing. Okay. And then I work out and I use the, because I'm in the cold for so long, for three minutes. And for reason when I get out, I do a lot of my working outside. I'll do a lot of body weight stuff like push -ups and, you know, body weight squats and stuff like that pulling the sled.

1:54:55I'll do that outside. Nice. And then then I get inside, do the rest of the shit. Okay. But I think there's something to cool, cool in your body down and then making your body reheat back up. That's supposed to be like real beneficial test, testosterone levels. Yeah. And there was like this, I think it's a Japanese study about that. A lot of people have used that. It just feels good too. It just wakes you up first thing in the morning. Whoa! I get in that motherfucker and I don't want to be in there. I'm like, God damn it. But I think everybody should do something like that. Just a little something like that.

1:55:27Just a little something for yourself. I think my closest experience to that was in the army. Having to wake up and it's cold as shit outside and your freezing balls, sitting information and then you start running and like, oh finally. And then you, it first you little, you know, crickety crackly a little bit and then you loosen up and you get that run as high or some shit like that or you get a good dress start and calcane as a pump you up, motivate you some shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, if you get all about the cold then. Yeah people just have to be active. Like if you really think it sucks to be outside cold weather, guess what?

1:56:02Once you start hiking and you start sweating. You know? That's the thing if you go hunting. One of the things about is like layering correctly. Yeah. Like you want to actually be a little cold while you're hiking. Yeah. Because if you're not you're going to heat up. You want to be a little cold. Yeah. But you want to have a minimal amount of layers, honks. If you have a lot of layers on you, stop taking them off. Now you're wet. You know, unless you wear a marino wool or some top notch synthetics it sucks bad if you're sweaty and it's cold out that sucks. Yeah. That's how a lot of people get really fucked up.

1:56:35Oh man. Really cold. I remember when I moved to Alaska the first time I had this dude is learning to return training for my job right because we would fly out to remote places and work on and try to control the equipment. So just in case some shit happened, be like a reenactment of a gray. With that movie Gray with the wolves and was it Liam Neussing had to fight up the moves. Yeah. It'd be something like that. The teacher had to survive, you know what I mean? And I was not prepared for this class, bro. It was it was winter time. So it was snow all over the down place in Anchorage, Alaska and it took us to some beer limeland, some B L M land.

1:57:15And I had on still toe boots, right? You know, we weren't still toe boots out in the cold. So that's a big no no right there. It gets colder because this deal gets cold. Yeah, the still gets cold and you lose your loose toes like that. Oh shit. I didn't wear layers. I had on still toe boots, some jeans, a button up polo shirt. Oh no. And a card heart jacket. No way. That's it. And I think I had a bean. I can't remember. I think I had a bean. Oh my god. But that was it, right? And we were supposed to go out there and win a little wilderness to simulate a fucking a plane crash. And luckily, I lost a shoe.

1:57:57Luckily, I lost a shoe. We had to make they taught us how to make a makeshift shoe out of airplane seat cushion. And the airplane seat cushion was way more comfortable than the other still toe boot that I didn't lose. And it was warmer. You know what I mean? I lose a boot. Airplane crash simulated situation. Oh, oh, I see. Yes. And it was able to stand on top of the snow a lot better than my boot was. So I was definitely needed to say I was not prepared to live in Alaska. And it was slow going to first because I didn't have money to buy all the gear you need to live in the co -weather environment.

1:58:34So I'm up there and I'm going outside, clean and snorke from my vehicle in freaking flip flops, gym shorts, and a t -shirt. Well, the jacket, of course, because I had to have jackets. Oh, no. Yeah, I wasn't prepared to live up there first. Which part of Alaska were you in? Anchorch. Anchorch. Did you see a lot of moose and bears and shit? You did see moose. I think I saw bear like three or four times while I was up there in the in town. Grisly bear? No, no, no, grisly bears. Black bears. Black bears. No, we don't see Grisly bear in town. Jesus. Thank God for that. Thank God. So, yeah. I have a friend who lives in BC, like way up in BC.

1:59:14And he had a shoot of bear from like three feet away. What? Yeah, a brown bear that was trying to get into a cabin. He was in a cabin? Yeah. You had to shoot through the window or what? No, I think the thing was coming through the door and he had to open the door and shoot it in the head. Ooh. What do you shoot it? A rifle, I believe. Okay. I forget the story totally. He told me a while ago. He's had multiple encounters with bears up there. Yeah. There's like the high areas of like when you get up in the BC and to real heavily wooded areas, they have real grisly problems. There's a lot of grisly bears up there.

1:59:51And they recently made it illegal to hunt them. You can hunt black bears still but you can't hunt grisly bears anymore because the people live in the city voted it out. So, the people that live in Vancouver are like, don't kill the grisly bears. Because they've been to bears. And the people that are up there are like, hey, you gotta kill them. Of course. Or there's gonna be too many of them. Like, what are we doing? You gotta manage their population. They come into town and sometimes they fucking open up people's cabins. That's scary stuff, man. Yeah. Scary stuff. There was a video recently somebody put me onto of this grisly bear that tears open this cabin and pulls out like a leg of a moose and it's dragging it out but it like went through the wall of this cabin.

2:00:33And they're so strong, they just tore the wall apart. Just tore a hole through the wall and it smelled the meat through there and it's like, I gotta get you this fucking wall. And you gotta - So, the bear is motivated then to say the least. To scary animal lives around. I just came from Alaska and we were up there. We went camping, stayed in the camper for a little bit. There was, where were we? There wasn't, no, this isn't a bear scare. It was a tsunami scare. It is where it was. Oh, Jesus. But they cleared, they gave us all clear. But what happens, you get like a horn blows off or something?

2:01:08Well, we were in a camper right there on the beach and then on your phones you get an alert, just like an amber alert or something like that. Oh. On your phones you get an alert saying tsunami warning for this area. You know what I mean? Get to high ground. Should like that. So we packed up our stuff and we had to leave. You can look on the internet and see where the effects, places are actually affecting. And it wasn't us. We were just really close to it, but they hit the whole area. Oh, tsunami scared the fuck out of me. When I lived in California I was always worried that a big one was gonna hit and a tsunami was gonna wash over the whole city.

2:01:47Yeah. I was always worried about that. But I started telling a story because we went up to Alaska, was a couple of weeks ago, but like a few days before we went to Alaska I heard about this black bear, take this, pull this man out of his truck and kill him. Yeah. Out of his tent and kill him. I think it was him. I was in Arizona. So I'm in Arizona and I hear about this. We're about to go to Alaska. In the camp, right? It came like right in the camp. The bear came right in the camp, put him into a brush and mulled him, kill him. Yeah. And so I'm worried because the last time I went to Alaska was in the camper.

2:02:23There was a bear come through town. I could see the bear running into the distance and shit, it was a little black bear. But still, so I'm like, oh, you know how black people are? We don't play around in the wilderness in shit, man. We don't do bears and bobcats and stuff like that. Did you have a gun or anything on you? The last time we had a gun, but not this last time we went, we didn't have a gun. But the time we saw the bear, we had a gun and some bear mace and stuff like that. So this time we had the bear spray, but not no gun. I only saw Grizzly Bear one time in the wild. And... Well, you were hunting, or?

2:02:52Yeah. They look at you so different. Yeah. A black bear looks at you like, who are you? Are you going to hurt me? What are you doing here? What are you? Or maybe they never saw any person before. Yeah. What is this? A Grizzly Bear looks at you like this. Can I eat you? Can I eat you? Like these cold, dark eyes, man. The eyes just are feeling -less. Like, you realize the primal energy of this killing machine is locked on you. A real live Grizzly Bear in the wild. It wasn't a big one either. The one that I saw was only like six feet tall. Yeah. Small. But they know young bear. They know. Right away.

2:03:23You're looking at me. They don't know when they're being that... Yeah. Yeah. It's just the different sort of wiring I get. Like, jewellery bears? Yeah. I would hear stories because I worked up there. We would go to local, uh, not local remote areas to work on airfields and ship. And further north you get, you can come to encounters. And I heard stories. I've heard stories. One of the guys who I work with was up in Barrow, which is way up North Alaska. And he was working on this thing.

2:03:56And out in the distance, way out in the distance with the binoculars because I always watch it. There's a polar bear out there, you know what I mean? And so they have to keep an eye on this thing. And they just notice his bear is getting closer and closer. So this bear is freaking honing in on them. But you know, these bears can. You'll see he lift his nose and then put his nose and start it. Put his nose down and start coming closer and closer. And they notice his bear is hunting. So they have to abort mission and leave because these bears were baked down the door and get whatever they want. You know what I mean?

2:04:24They hunt, they hunt anything. Yeah. They hunt everything if you everybody. Yeah. So, yeah, we don't play, we don't mess around with polar bears and stuff when you're on the job at least. I don't know what people do on the outside of the job. But I don't mess around with polar bears. Period. A friend of mine is a veterinarian. And he was explaining how when they work with like little baby polar bear, so he goes they're like the predator right out of the womb. They're like the alien, you know, from the way. Like right out of the womb. He's like, look at these little cute killers. Damn. Yeah. Like polar bears don't eat anything but meat.

2:04:58Yeah. There's no vegetation. There's no fucking blueberries. No. We're lucky that these, that's like the thing about salmon and the brown bears. The brown bears have a lot of food sources. Plenty of food. Like that's why you see all those videos of people like sitting there taking pictures of these things. Catching salmon out of the river. They say to anyone's a more dangerous one. The innermost thing. Yeah, because they hunt most of the time where they, you know, eat berries. Yeah. As far as seeing these big bears run down the fucking moose. They're so fast. Man. They're so powerful. They're so powerful.

2:05:30Just that video that some guy captured recently, these two bears do get it out for a long time. Yeah. A long time. I got problem around. Yeah. The dude was like, this is going to get good. Or some shit like that. They may just like standing up and I was like, whoa. They go, they go hard, man. Got them by the ear, had one by the leg at one point. I was like, they were in the right, I was watching them like, oh, we're kind of resting the movies. He's bare as fun to do. They do have a little jujitsu. They got something, man. Yeah, they do. They do use a little wrestling and they bite each other. So fucking hard.

2:06:00They're snapping and see if he got that over. Look at that. They're with their coat is so impressive. They pull giant chunks of hair out of each other. Mm -hmm. Did you ever see the movie Grizzly Man? No, not Grizzly. Oh my God, you have to see it. That's a documentary, right? Yeah, it's about this crazy. Is that the dude who died? Yeah. I think I might have seen it. Who died at the end? It's a Werner Herzog movie. And I swear to God, he's trying to make it a comedy. I think it's a comedy. I really do. I would call it an unintentional comedy, but he's too brilliant to be unfurled to be unintentional.

2:06:30I think he did it on purpose. It's a comedy movie, man. Grizzly man. It's a tragedy for sure. Yeah. It's sad that this guy got eaten by a Grizzly bear in his girlfriend too. But it's also, it is a bananas movie. Because this guy just, he thought he was protecting these Grizzlies. It's like, I'm here to save them. I'm here to save all the Grizzlies. And it's like, you're not saving Jack Shit. Like, what are you talking about? You're merely accommodating them for the time being. You're just around them because they don't know what you are. Mm -hmm. If they knew what you are, they would just eat you.

2:06:57And that's what one of them eventually did. He's like, I think I can eat this guy and he's just fucking ate him. Damn. Yeah. Well, he stuck around too long too, and most of the bears were already in hibernation when he was in there. So the bears that weren't hibernating yet didn't have enough food. So they were desperate. So like, maybe a desperate old male. And so then he just said, I'll just eat this dude. I mean, seeing this annoying motherfucker saying he's saving me. He's like, no, I'm saving you for later. But there's a scene in it where they talked to this sheriff. And the sheriff's like, I thought he was retarded.

2:07:28And like, he's not like, he's not like, he's not like, smash guts after that. I'm like, that is comedy. Like, he's doing this on purpose. He knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. But it's a crazy movie of this guy who's just, he seems like an in the closeted gay man. And because there's part of the movie where he's like, I wish I was gay because if I was gay, I would just meet a guy, but I'm not gay. So like, okay. Yeah. What are you doing, man? Like, what's going on up there? Just fuck. Well, I've done so far many gay people. They're loving that guy. Maybe. Maybe that guy. Pretty sure.

2:08:02But I mean, I think it's not, I think it's a thing where people attach themselves, like that they're there to help and save this magnificent creature, which is a magnificent creature. And then it gives their life so much more meaning because they're attached to something bigger than them. So important, so huge, because their whole identities were wrapped around, protecting these bears. But the people that are the wildlife biologists up in Alaska, they know what they're doing. They're not in danger at all. They have to monitor their populations very carefully. They go out there with rifles. Yeah, they have to be useful if they have to sometimes.

2:08:43And especially if a bear starts eating people. Like there was an eye care. Or a bicyclist in Montana, she got pulled out of her tent. Apparently she had had an encounter with that same bear earlier and scared it off and the bear came back. I think that's the case. See if you can find that store. But that's in Montana. And that was like real close to town. So it freaked everybody out to this lady guy. Just dragged out of her fucking neck. And killed? Yeah, she killed. She got killed. I don't think it takes much for her. It's a rare exception when a grizzabet doesn't kill you. And you see some of those dudes they stitching back together and they're like, yikes, respect.

2:09:24Respect, dude. It's in a bunch of right there. That's a reverent. Yeah, that's a true story, man. It was. Yeah, that's based on a true story. Yeah, based on a true story. That was a wild scene. Yeah, I forget who the reverent is based on. What were we just looking up? The lady in the bear hiker. Oh, yeah, the story of the hiker. The bicyclist. Did she run into? I think she did. I'm not. There could be different articles. Either way, either way, the bear pull her out of her tent. Yeah. That's the scariest way to die. So I don't do animals, man. Yeah, I respect them. You know what I mean? Oh, I see this one.

2:10:03This bear showed up at a cabin and started rubbing his body on it. That's got to be like a miniature cabin, right? No, he's just huge, man. Some of those bears are 12 feet tall. Jeez. That's good. I do like to over that. Jeez. Good things, you. Ah, the rabbit. Revenant. Yeah, what is it the dude's name who it's based on? Apparently the real story, the author of the book on it was on Steve Rinell's podcast, a mediator podcast. It was a really good story. Hugh Glass. Hugh Glass is the author. It's an amazing episode where he talks about, you know, there's a difference between the Hollywood version and the real version, but it is based on true story.

2:10:44Mm -hmm. That was a good movie, man. Wow, I'm having a living back then. You get to worry about bows and arrows flying at you and you're trying to make your way through the woods and what the fuck are we doing here? Woo. Hard people, man.

2:11:01What was that? That wasn't the Reverend. That was a, was it the Predator? The newest Predator? The newest one. Yeah, with the Command Chiefs. Yeah. Pray. And then have the French out there. That was a really good one. That was fun. It was fun. It was a fun Predator movie. Like I was a little skeptical. I was like, yeah, they got a girl. I was dreaming, so yeah. Yeah, you got a girl. I was going to kill it. Come on, some fuck up. But it was good. It was still cinematic for the story. You know, you know, some suspension of disbelief. Yeah. Yeah, but still. They still, they didn't know that it was good.

2:11:33I enjoyed the shit out. It was a lot better than Alien's versus Predator. Yeah, that wasn't so good. No. What do you do to unwind? Do you like a video game guy? What do you do to relax? Well, I play video games. There you go. I do it. I was like, it's a shot in the dark. But you know, since having children, man, it's, yeah, few and far between. But I still get my gaming time in right now. Right now I'm playing Final Fantasy 16. I don't play much online. My daughter is, she's big into, uh, was it Roblox? Roblox. Mine too. So the battle is, no, too much of that shit. Get off of that shit. Get off of this things.

2:12:12You know how it is with kids, you know what I mean? Yeah, we, we played Wanted Dead or Alive. You know, that karate game. Wanted Dead or Alive? You know, not that karate game. Oh, man, it's shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's a karate game. I fuck everybody up and I can't nobody in my house wants to play me. Uh, it's a newer game. No, it's one of those ready fight. Oh, okay. You know those games. I remember that I had karate champ growing up. That was on Nintendo. It was just like that. You had a red one and a, and dude and white. Yeah, that's the game. Wanted Dead or Alive? Oh, just Dead or Alive. Just dead or Alive.

2:12:44I said, I fucked it up. Yeah, but Dead or Alive. Dead or Alive is the shit. That game was fun. Dealed not somebody shit. You had knocked somebody off of a platform. No fall. Well, you jumped down and continued fighting. I keep trying to coach my kids out of do it. Well, I keep fucking them up. You can't help yourself. I can't help myself. I get a very competitive when it comes to that game. They don't like play anything. It was nice on you played it a couple days ago. Yeah, who's your character? I pick whoever the fuck. I don't give a shit. Okay. Yeah, I don't give a shit. Does each one of them has like some specific moves you can do?

2:13:17A combination that you do it knock person back and just keep landing it. Yeah. Yeah. See, my favorite fighting game was Bloody Roar. I don't know if a lot of people don't know Bloody Roar is. Bloody Roar. Yeah. I think I've heard that name. What is that? What was that like? It was a 3D fighting game. But you could you would transform. You have fighters who could transform into beast like apparitions. Okay. Similar kind of thing. Oh, I remembered this. Yeah. Yeah. So I would get I was good with a lot of them. Have you fucked around it all with VR? Have you done any of those VR games? I've played Thriller the Fight.

2:13:54Is it Thriller the Fight? Is that a boxing one? Yes, a boxing one. Those are great. Yes. You can kind of move around with that a little. That was fairly realistic as far as the sensors and responsiveness goes. And I was using that to cut away from my last fight. And for the other side, if I was using it to, you know, because I start pulling sweat on those damn things. Yeah. And then I was a fuck of that. I was surprised that like we did it on the concrete. I was like my feet hurt. Because I'm like pushing off my feet and moving my body around. Which one were we playing, Jamie, on the HTC Vive?

2:14:25I could have been this. I don't remember at that time. I don't remember. But I do remember it. I love the fact that when he pops you, the screen goes white. Okay. Like you hit it. Like it feels like you get your, you know, like C stars. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. It's like it gives you like a real feeling of what it looks like when punches are coming at you. You get a real good workout. Yeah. It was really good. I was good. If you could do like that's always tell people like, if you could find something you enjoy doing, working out is so much easier. Like people say, well, I'm going to get in shape.

2:14:53I'm going to go to the gym. God damn it. That's boring. That's so boring. Just learn to jizzoo, learn kickboxing. Yeah. Do something. And if a video game like there was a while where they were talking about, and I think some people still, they are doing it. But doing VR games on a unidirectional treadmill or a multi directional treadmill. Yeah. So they have this treadmill that can go all different ways. And it's propelled by your movement. So as you're moving, you're your harnessed into this circle. Yeah. But the treadmill can go in 360 different ways. I see. Yeah, it's fucking cool. I want one of those.

2:15:30That's fucking cool. So you're running around and shooting things. So it's like you're getting exercise while you're also playing a fun game. Yeah. Like if you could do something like dance dance revolution, a lot of people lost weight doing that. Because that's fun. That thing is revolutionary right there. Yeah. I didn't get into it because I'm not a big dancer. But I like my games. But I got a decent bathroom. Oh yeah. We could wrap this up. Let's wrap this up. We were about to end the line anyway. Thank you very much, man. I hear you. Let's wrap it up. Tell everybody your Instagram so they can follow you.

2:16:03Yep. I'm on Instagram. Killer gorilla MMA. So give me a like. Follow. You guys will see all this cool stuff that I'm doing. I'm going to get more active. I'm not super active, but I will be more active. I'm definitely active during five weeks. But I'm slowly spreading my wings. Well, I'm just happy when you're active in the octagon. Yeah. And I'm glad we got to continue this. I really enjoyed your perspective on things. I think it was great. Thank you, man. I enjoyed it. My pleasure. Let's do it again. All right. Bye everybody.

2:16:39Thank you.

2:16:44Thank you. Thank you.