JRE MMA Show #145 with Terence Crawford

29:37Yeah, he just had an injury about a few years ago. He tore his Achilles. He was out for two years, but he back like nothing happened. That's a big one. Yeah. Achilles is a big Jamal Hill, the UFC Light Everywhere Champion. Just tore his Achilles. That's a rough one. Definitely. Jamal told Torit playing basketball. Which is crazy. He tore his sparring, moving backwards. Really? Yes. He was just moving backwards. It wasn't nothing crazy. He was just moving backwards and it just popped. He said he thought somebody hit him. And he was just like, he looked down. Like man, he thought it was me at first.

30:14I'm way on the back. I'm like, what? He's like, man. I fucked up. I'm like, what? He was like, man, my Achilles. I'm like, how you know? He was like, man, I heard it popped. It's like everybody getting around him. Like man, you gotta go to hospital. Let's go. Wow. Two years. Two years out the gym. I mean, out the ring. That's a long one. It's a crazy injury to come back from. Yeah. Because it's such a thick tendon when it pops. It's just a disaster. Have you had any like significant injuries? No. That's amazing. Yes. So when you say like, like for Bernard, like he preserved his body, I know you're very disciplined.

30:55And I know that you're like, are you, do you ever take time like after a big fight like that? Where you go off the rails and eat pizza every day and go crazy? Or do you stay disappointed? Well, I don't eat beef or pork, but I don't eat beef or pork. Or pork. Really? Yeah. But my eating habits is not the best. You know, I still drink pop here and there and I still, I didn't like nub one. I used to eat tons of candy like every day. Really? I used to eat tons of candy, but you know why you were fighting? Yeah. In camp too. I don't know. It was just something that, listen, I'm going to do this. I'm going to make a way.

31:34I'm going to get everything done. But I'm going to have my candy. What kind of candy? I just liked it the, you know, the jolly ranchers, the chewy ones. Just chewy candy, the starbursts, the gunnies. I used to just always eat those. But when you train in a lot, it's not bad to have a little extra sugar. Like Floyd used to drink sodas after trained. And everybody's like, why would he do that? Then I talked to a nutritionist and he's like, it's actually after a very hard workout, like sparring and hitting the bag. It's actually a good way to replenish glucose. Yeah, that's, that's probably why I always was drinking it.

32:13You know, and cutting weight. I don't know why when I'm cutting weight, I'd be like, alright. Even though water, I mean, even though pop, go make me more thirsty, I'd be like, I need a spryre. I need a spryre, cold spryre. And they'd be like, what? I'd be like, I just need a spryre. How come you don't eat beef or pork? I don't eat beef. Pork is just, you know, bad for you and someone healthy. You know, and I think when beef, I stop eating beef, like probably like seven years ago, probably more than that. Yeah. I had back problems and I was like, man, my back was just hurting so bad and I didn't know what it was.

32:56So I went to the hospital, I went to the emergency. And so they did the MRI and cascading and stuff like that on my back. And I had backed up shit, all up my back. What? backed up shit. That was almost hurt in your back. All beef. So since I cut out the beef, because they said beef is harder to digest and harder for your body to break down. So I stopped eating beef and I ain't never had none of them issues ever. That's crazy. I've never heard anything like that. Yeah. So what do you get your protein from? Chicken. Just chicken. Chicken. Tuckish fish. Yeah, fish. Oh, yeah. So chicken turkey fish.

33:37Yeah. That's great. I've never heard anybody have it. I eat mostly meat. Yeah. That's the most of my diet is meat. You probably got a lot of shit in it. Nope. Nope. I fed you. I fed you. You might not do it. You got shit in the MRI. No, maybe you should do a colon cleanser or something. Do you do colon cleanser? No. Do one and you're going to be amazed. Really? I don't know about that. I don't think anything wrong. I did one. You know, I was doing one in this camp. Yeah. And it was crazy. Like, you know, shit that come out of you, you'd be like, damn, I had to do like a colonic. No, I just, you know, the colon is rough.

34:21Just a whole殊 of your ass. Yeah, I ain't doing that. What did you do? What did you take? No, I just, you know, take, you know, just a little colon cleansed dietary, not like the supplements or stuff like that. Just stuff that. It's like fiber. Yeah. And fiber that makes the shit come out. And it just, whoa. Yeah, I did that before, before camping stuff. And I was like, damn. So if you own, do you have someone that prepares your meals? Yes. Yeah. So you got like a meal prep. I got nutritionist. I got a chef all day. And you're also, I saw, are you a part of that snack thing too? Yeah. Yeah. So that's, what that is is, is that, that dude from Balco?

35:13Yeah. So yeah. So Victor, he was on the podcast back in the day. So he's a guy that busted, or he got busted with Barry Bonds, the clear, where they were giving him that undetectable steroids. And now he's on the other side of it. Yeah. Is making sure that the whole sport is clean. Yeah. And nobody knows better than him, because he cheated for years. Yeah. And they, and they hate it. Yeah. Because you'll see a lot of people like, oh man, this dude was a cheater, this dude was this, this dude was that. And then, you know, you can't get none past them. Well, he was a cheater, but, you know, just because the guy was a cheater, look, first of all, that's the kind of guy you would want being involved in cheating and catching cheating.

35:54But he's trying to clean up the whole sport. Yeah. Like, it's not like he like, oh, I will, you know, I'm sponsoring you, you represent my brand. He's trying to clean up the whole sport. So, you know, he's like, why isn't it like more transparency? Yeah. Where's the transparency? Like, where's this? Where's that? Why don't, why can't the world know what's going on? You know, with the test that's going on? Yeah. The public should know, you know, if these fighters is clean or not, because every month, there's fighters coming up positive for steroids or band substance. Well, look at the Anthony Joshua, Dillion White Fight.

36:35Yeah. It's canceled two weeks out. Yeah. Huge heavyweight fight. And Dillion White pops. Yeah. And that's not the first time. Oh, he's popped before, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a, it's a sad for Anthony Joshua to, you know, go through those things that I'm trying to for this fighter and then he popped down, boom, I'm hit with. Right. Got to prepare for somebody else and him the worst ones when they come, you know, at the last minute and they ready. Right. Because some people just train just waiting for that call. Right. You know, you never know. Also, him fighting Helenas after Deante starched them.

37:11That's like, because everyone's going to prepare, compare you rather, because Deante, Deante hits so hard, it doesn't even make sense. He hits so, he hits so different than everybody else. Definitely. It doesn't make sense, man. The Helenas fight. He was like moving back and he went like that. Black. Yeah. And that dude just shut off. He blessed with, with dynamite and that right hand. Like nobody before. Like nobody. Like nobody. Like nobody. And the history of the heavyweight division, we have some giant punchers, Ernie Shaver's joint form and Mike Tyson, but I put Deante at the top of the heap.

37:50Right. Hey, he, I don't know. I don't know, man, because those guys, you know what I mean? They were tough and snails back in the day. But I think Deante wider, man. He hits you a couple of times with that right hand. Yeah. If you ain't Tyson, fear you're going to sleep. Right. He's the only dude. He's the only dude. The first fight was bananas. Yeah. When he catches them with that right hand and the left hook as he's going down, then Deante goes like this. And he thought it was over. And this motherfucker rises like the undertaker. Yes. Just got out. I was like, there is no way. There's no way.

38:24And then he starts out boxing them. Like how? He beat him. I mean, I thought he came back and won the rest of the round. I think he did. And then he took that strategy into the second fight. He realized that Deante does not fight as well when you're going after him. And so then he just dominates the second fight and dominates the third. But in the third, when he got rocked once so hard, you could watch the ripple, the shock wave go down his body and it was jiggling. It's fat. Jiggling is back fat from the shot. Just boom. I don't think there's another person in the heavyweight division. I would ate that shot like Tyson.

39:01I think I told everybody both fighters won that fight. The first fight. I said because Tyson Fury, I don't know if you made the count. But any other fighter, you get dropped like that. They was going to call it off. Right. Because do literally boom. Looked up and it was just like any other fighter they would have counted out. And I feel like Tyson Fury won on points. Yeah. He was winning the fight. He got up still winning. Second fight, Tyson Fury hands down. But the third fight, Deante Wilder could have made it a better, interesting fight, but he got tired. He was working real well. But he got tired.

39:47But Tyson Fury smart. He started putting out weight on him, started laying on him. That's incredible. That's the experience. He's incredible. He's such a character too. Such a fun dude. He's funny. He's so funny. He got so mad at me because I said John Jones would fuck him up. In the octagon, yeah. He said in a fight. In a fight fight. He's like no man would beat me. Lock me in a room with any man. I'm coming out alive. No, John. John, he's a danger. He's a dude, man. Y 'all better leave him alone. Leave him alone. Yeah. Listen, I believe firmly that if Tyson Fury learned wrestling and learned Muay Thai when he was younger, just like John did, he would be a world champion.

40:32Yeah, but I think that's not being John now. No, no, no, no, no one's being John. Even if he was to train when he was a little, he's still not being John. He'd have to be a great wrestler too. The thing about John is he can do everything. Everything. And he's the most, he has the highest octagon IQ. He's the best at like implementing his strategy and utilizing his reach and just figure out how to get a hold of you. He's the best. He's going to find a way to win. Yeah. That's my guy. He's amazing. He's amazing. But like when it comes to heavyweight boxers, Tyson Fury is one of my all -time greats.

41:09I have two favorite all -time fighters. Mike Tyson is prime, which was just like a cultural phenomenon. Like when you would watch Mike Tyson fights back in the day, they were executions. You were just paying, and you were hoping it lasted a little because you're paying for the pay -per -view. Like I hope he doesn't knock this guy out in 10 seconds. Yeah. So you wanted to see something. And it was literally like two rounds, one round. It was amazing. People forget. Like when you see him in his prime and he was bobbin and weave it in. I was talking to the guys last night at the comedy club and I was talking about the Marvis Frazier fight.

41:43And that to me is the most terrifying version of Mike Tyson. Because Marvis Frazier really didn't have a chance. His father was propping him up. His father wanted him to fight Tyson because Joe Frazier would have wanted to fight Tyson when he was in his prime. He's like, I'm going to get my son out there and do it. And Tyson just came out, guns blazing. This was Tyson before he won the title. 24 wins, zero losses, 22 knockouts. And a heavyweight like nobody had ever seen before. Moved like a lightweight. It's the way he was bobbin and weave it and coming in close. He was so fast. Yeah. But his punches were just ridiculous angles and accuracy.

42:22I fucking love this fight. Yeah, nobody, nobody was like it, especially in a heavyweight division. No, it was a totally different thing. This is it. You see him set up the uppercut. He Paul, Paul, Paul with that jab. It was incredible. In his prime, I feel like I would have loved to see him against any of the greats, any of the greats. Joe Lewis, Muhammad Ali, any of the greats I would have loved have seen Tyson in his prime against those guys. Yeah, if they could take a punch, then it would be interesting. The punches come so fast. The thing about Tyson too is the speed. Yeah, that's what I said.

43:01They could take a punch. The speed wasn't that. Cause he could hit Tyson got hit a lot. Yeah. You know, it's just that, you know, he's he's willing to take a hit that get his powerful hit off. Well, he also had that neck that started to top of his ears. His neck started up here, man. Yeah. It's a crazy neck, man. He could take a punch better than anybody, better than anybody. So what you think, I mean, I'll show you a question. Okay. So what you think about the business side of MMA and boxing in what way? And like, you know, the way of the fighters getting, you know, not getting what they deserve in MMA and boxing.

43:44Well, you know, it's tricky, right? Like this whole thing with you in spence, like trying to negotiate a proper contract. You know, there's a lot of vultures, there's a lot of weasels. The one good thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it. The one bad thing about the UFC is that there's one organization that controls it. So you got good and bad. So like, if I was a manager of a fighter, I would want fighters like, like your career, where you're tested and you're facing ever increasing challenges, but it's calculated. It's calculated and you get lessons from each fight.

44:23And then you build up to a point where you're ready to challenge for a title. Like John Jones fought for the title when he was 22. I mean, it was a last minute fight. Rashad Evans got hurt and John Jones went into fight show gun. John was just so fucking talented, so above everybody else that he dominated that fight and walked away the world champion and destroyed show gun. He opened up the fight with a flying knee. 22 years old, first title fight opens up with a flying knee. Who the fuck does that? Nobody does it. Everybody would be nervous. Everybody would be, John's just so loose and creative in there.

44:59But in MMA, a lot of times fighters get fights that really not ready for. And they have to think about that aspect of, I'm talking about the business side of it. Well, the business side, it speaks to that as well, because for a fighter to get to a point where they're undefeated and they have a big name, then they start getting the big money. And then they're the headline of the card. And, you know, I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of good in that. There's a lot of good in preparing a fighter properly. Like you see a lot of fighters when they fight for a title, they might have like 161, 16, oh, like people like undefeated records.

45:39It's very rare that a UFC fighter gets all the way to a title fight without some losses. Definitely. And I think that also speaks to the styles, differences, the wrestling, the kickbox, all the different things that you might face inside the Oction and having it prepared for that. That's one thing I like about MMA, you know, those guys, they still, great fighters, they still get praise, you know, even though they probably got five losses. Yes. You know, one of the laws don't define how great they is, you know, compared to boxing. Right. You know, look how the media and how people in his fashion, aerospace, like he's not great.

46:22Crazy. You know, I mean, just because he laws to a all -time great fighter and myself, you know, that's all the fighters that I've been fought. You know, once I fight them and, you know, I dismantle them. They say, oh, well, those guys was weak. Those guys are not great fighters though. Those guys is tomato cans. They washed up. They bombs. I'm like, dang, how can you disrespect this man? And he didn't work to his ass off the get to the level that he is. Underfit even even be with a challenge me. Yeah. You know, I mean, can I just be that good? Why they got to be bombs? Why they got to be tomato cans?

46:59Isn't that just a lot of noise though? There's a lot of people that their opinions are stupid. Yeah. There's a lot of people that their opinions suck. But if you watch, if you, if you, if you look at my whole career, that's what was always said, Terrence Crawford, I haven't fought anybody. Terrence Crawford, you know, only fought washed fighters. Terrence Crawford is Terrence Crawford at. But now after the spins, that's why I shut the fuck up. That's why I said. But don't listen to those people. Like listen to Andre Ward. Now they motivate you know what I'm saying? Oh, they do. They motivate. You know, I'm like David Goggins.

47:35Yeah, I want to see it. I want to hear it. I want to see it because you know that that lights that fuel. Right. And then I just create my teeth and be like, errrrr. Well, one of the most crazy stories about your career is your mom. Yeah. It's about how your mom just never gave you any praise. It was like, nope, not good enough. She was tough. She was, she was tough, you know what I mean? And I love my mom and the deaf. That's my heart. It's my girl, you know what I mean? But that was just her way of pushing me to be great. You know what I mean? And she just knew that her son was so competitive.

48:13She was just like, alright, let me see how competitive you is. Let me come here a little kid. You, she would pay people to try to beat you up. Yeah, well we have gloves. We have gloves, you know, I come from my family was all into boxing. My dad's side of the family, my mom's side of the family so she was always tough. So she would get the little kids in the neighborhood, five hours if they can win. We would be in the front yard. You know, I beat them all up. I beat them all up. I bet I ain't now. Well, you give me the money. You know. It's amazing how it worked. I mean, it's not something like, I think a psychologist would recommend for raising a child.

48:53Right. But sometimes they're wrong. You know, and it depends on the person. They can rise to that challenge. And obviously it made you great. Yeah, I think that's why I said, you know, I love to hear the daughters, the naysayers, because I think it's something in me from my past trauma with my mom, you know, me trying to prove her wrong, you know, me fighting for her, you know, approval. So, you know, it goes back to when I was a kid when, you know, she would say, oh, man, you ain't going to win it. And I go out there and win. And I come back with the belt. And she taking pictures with the belt.

49:35Look at my son. God, look at my son, then, you know, me, but then, you know, when it just me hurt, you're still ain't shit. You ain't doing it. I mean, next one. You know, really so, I laugh and stuff like that. That's amazing. Yeah. So, it was just, you know, my mom knew what she was doing for me out of young age. She was instilling, you know, mentally toughness because, you know, through anything that's going on in my life, I'm always focused. No matter what it is, it can be a loud room full of people. It can be 50 people in a room and I can be fighting the naysay. And the average person be like, man, what is you doing?

50:17You got a big fight tomorrow. Like, you need to be focusing. You need to be resting. They need to be out the room, you know, I'd be sitting there. I'd be like, I'm good. I'm not doing nothing. They just sitting here talking. What's wrong with that? Because I'm so locked in because once I'm focused on something, that's not going to distract me. And I think that comes from my upbringing as well. Have you ever worked with a sports psychologist or anything? No, nothing. But I used to have to see counselors and stuff like that when I was little. If you get in trouble. If you get in trouble. No, I used to get in trouble.

50:59I used to have an anger problem. I used to be mad at the world. And I always tell people, I don't know why I was so mad. But then, as I got older, I was realized that, you know, my dad was gone and I wanted my dad to be there. And, like, my mom, like, everything, you know, I do wrong. I was getting a weapon for it. So it was like, that's all I know. You say something I don't like. I'm whooping your ass. You do something I don't like. I'm whooping your ass. So it was just like, everything that I was getting at home, forgetting in trouble, when I go out into the real world, I was, you know, doing the same thing that my mom was doing to me, when I get in trouble or say something or do something that she don't like, I was getting a weapon for it, you know, you're not listening and getting a weapon.

51:47So I feel like, do shut up talking to me. And you still talking to me, you know, I listen and now we gotta fight. I gotta be your ass. Because now, now, you're not listening and now you think this is your, so, you know, I used to get in trouble a lot. I used to get in trouble a lot. Well, it seems like with all great fighters, they've overcome some serious problems with their young. Like every great fighter. It's very rarely have a great fighter that had this like perfect upbringing where nothing ever went wrong. Everything was fine. Got everything they wanted and they needed. You know, it seems like every fighter has to come.

52:23They have to overcome people downing them, people dismissing them, they have to overcome that. Oh yeah, definitely. From school to everywhere, you know, a lot of people. I don't think nobody but my family members thought that I was going to turn out to be the God that I am today. Like when I see people that knew me when I was little, they just, you know, like they just want to cry. They just like, but I just can't believe how, how of a man you grown into out what I never believed this would be. You, like you talk so well, you ain't in trouble. You, you, you doing things for the community. I'm just, I'm just in disbelief.

53:06Like I'm just so proud of you and I just like thank you because nobody thought that I would turn out to be who I am today, you know, and it just goes to the show that it don't matter how you started, always matter how you finished. Well it's also your composure. You know, you have this ability, like you can talk shit in the middle of a fight that someone was sitting ringside. Yeah. It's kind of amazing. You're just always composed. Yeah. I think it's because you've overcome all that shit, but because your mind is centered. You know, it's even when we were talking about cars earlier when I was showing you the back, you're like, I don't drive any of my cars.

53:42I drive my truck. You're just listening to all these cool cars you have. You just stay low key. Stay low key and keep it together. Stay composed. I got to. That's just me, you know, I never, I never want to be nothing other than myself. Like, I remember my family members, you know, a couple of my friends, they're like, man, you need to talk more shit. You need to be like, may weather. You need to do this. You need to do that. I'm like, no, I don't. I said that's him. That's not me. I mean, you see tank now. You see all these fighters, you know, browner now. You see, that's how you get the money.

54:19That's how you get the money. You got to entertain. You got to show the money. You got to do this. I'm going to be myself. And that's, I thrive doing that, you know, because when it's all said and done, when all the money gone, when all the fans done, check your name, now who you really is. Now you got to search and find the real you. But if the real you been there all along, you're going to be happy. You ain't going to have to, you know, go through therapy. You ain't going to have to be behind friends. You ain't going to be having to stay in the sport to hear that chant again. So when you, when you walk away from the sport, you're going to walk away from the sport as a man with your head high and you just going to weigh you.

55:08Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah, definitely. Well, you have a rock solid philosophy. I love that. I did. It's just one of the things I really admire about Andre Ward. Andre Ward, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion, retirees undefeated. He's like, I'm gone. That's good. All my faculties completely intact. And they even offered him a big money fight against Canelo after he beat Kovlev. After he knocked out Kovlev, they offered money to Andre a lot of money. And he's like, I think I better serve boxing as a commentator. Which is amazing for a guy who's still in his physical prime. I mean, there's video footage of him working out, still in tip top condition.

55:45Looks fantastic. Yeah, a lot of injuries though. Yeah, the shoulder. The knee. The knee was big, but the shoulder. He's a one -armed fighter for most of his career, which is so incredible. He beat everybody with a left hand. Everybody. Went through the whole Super Six tournament. Great. Beat everybody with a left hand. Great. Yeah. And then finally got a fix. And Kovlev up in the rematch with a right hand. Right. It's crazy. I always said I went to retire from boxing. I never went in boxing to retire from retiring me. My goal was always to retire at 33. 33. 33. Is it because the fights didn't come?

56:22No, I just spent fight or even before that. But why did you decide to keep going? I just, I don't know. It's just like my body was just like, man, you ain't done. You know what I mean? Even though, you know, I wanted to retire, it was just like, you're not done. You got a lot to prove. You got a lot to accomplish. You're still in your prime. So it's like, I keep going because I wanted that mega fight. I wanted that big fight to where it's like no denying who Terrence Crawford is, you know, or what he's still for or, you know, the family man he was. I wanted the people still to know who Terrence Crawford was.

57:07And I felt like there was people that knew who I was and that followed me. But it wasn't solidified worldwide yet. So that's like now, even that it is, you still want the next challenge. Nah, I really don't have nothing to prove. I can walk away right now and I constantly played it on that. You know, I do that every day. I wake up. Do I still want a box? Do I still want a box? Because I don't need a box because I done great with my money. I invested great with my money. I got a lot of great businesses. I got a lot of great things that I'm doing. So that's that generate money. So I don't need boxing.

57:57I'm doing I'm doing this for legacy, you know. So if it's not that's why I said if if charlow move up and wait and they stripping for his belt, there's no need for me and charlow to fight because he's not undisputed. You yelled at him from the from the right. Of course. I've been saying that for years. I said I'm going to I'm going to whoops man. Then I'm going to whoop you and I met it. You know, but yeah, if he's not undisputed, then you know that that fight don't, you know, I don't know. It's not interesting to me no more because I'm trying to make all time history. You know, if the cannello fight fight come to fruition, then that's a fight that I'll be willing to take just off the wrist.

58:52You know, the be one of the all time greats that, you know, that that that that's a fight that's the one that gets you going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fight because it's a challenge. Yeah. I love the challenges and I love, I love the people that I hear him now. You're too little. You know, cannello going to break you. He's going to stop you. You come from 147. That way too big. Listen to that. I can hear now and that just excite me to go in there and just be like, okay, let me put him on once again. That fight would be gigantic. If cannello gets through Jamel and then you guys fight that fight would be gigantic.

59:37And it's crazy because like in the past interviews, I was like, man, cannello too big, man. It's way classes for a reason. I was like, nah, but in my mind, in my heart, I don't think nobody too big, you know, especially in the fight. I'm a fighter, but like, I was thinking like, man, it could happen. So you start really sitting down like, man, that fight, maybe can have, okay. So now you start, you start sizing, sizing them up. He's like, all right. He 5A, I'm 5A. My arm's longer than his. He bigger than me, but I'm faster. So then you start doing advantages. You know what I mean? Like, man, we right there.

1:00:21Yeah. We right there, you know what I mean? So I was like, man. It's not like he didn't go up and went. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I was like, man, that's a fight. And it's the same kind of fighter too, because like, that's why he went up and fought Bival, that's why he fought Kovlo. He went in that challenge for him to go up from junior middleweight all the way up to light heavyweight and win the title. Definitely. But going up and becoming undisputed against cannello. Woohoo. Come on, man. I'm flying in the sun. You know what I'm saying, man, thank you boxing God. That would be it. That would be it.

1:00:59Yeah. That's the only thing you can get for me. I didn't accomplish everything there is to accomplish in the sport of boxing. You know, there's really nothing for me to accomplish right now. Like anything, it's about the money now. It's about the money. You know, I'm not going to sit here and say it's not, but the money and to be. Cannello. If that fight was ever to happen, come on, man. Y 'all better leave me alone. Or leave me alone, man. Come me, come me, you know, me, TBC, man. Yeah. Yeah, man. That's what I've been thinking about. I don't know why. You know, I was just like, man, the last few days I was like, man, I don't know if his God talking to me or what.

1:01:50But that's a fight that if he win, if Cannello win, then, yeah, I'm going to try to pursue that. I love that. I love that mentality. I do. I love it. I love it because that's where it's at. That's what makes all -time greats. It's like you have to have that mountain to climb. But nobody went up. I don't think nobody went up three way classes. Well, didn't Roy, Roy started 160. No, I'm saying. I'm saying at once. Right. You know what I mean? From 147 to 168. No. The closest is that is when Cannello went up 68 to 75 starting in 54. No, not starting. I'm saying, I started at 135. Right. That's true.

1:02:39You know what I mean? I'm just saying, like, say if Cannello was the champion at 147 to go up 168. Right, right, right. One jump. Yeah. One jump. It's a big jump, too. 21 pounds. It's a lot of weight. It's a lot of weight. Yeah, that's the same. I sport big guys, though. Two. Yeah, I sport big guys. That's why I'm like, I'm starting thinking like, man. Oh, I probably can be great. I probably can be great, you know what I mean? But, you know, it's different in the fight. But I believe in my skills and my ability. And I believe in my team. I believe we'll come up with something that, you know, will be suitable for me to be successful when I fight.

1:03:25That would probably be the biggest fighting box. Definitely. That fight would be gigantic. It would. That would be a big one. I have to go to that one. That would happen. I gotta go to that one. You was supposed to go to this last one. I couldn't. That was at the UFC. I wanted to go. It's crazy how they had it on the same day. Yeah, it sucked. But it was good because my fight was early. Then my fight was later on that night. I didn't. Unfortunately, so many spoiled it for me. Oh, they did. Yeah, they spoiled it for me. Then I said, all right, let me watch the highlights. I was just watched the highlights on my phone.

1:03:56I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. Then I got home and watched the whole fight on the big screen. That's what's up. That's what's up. I actually got Paramount Plus just for you. Yeah. Second watch it. Hey. You can watch it anywhere else after it was already air. I appreciate it. It was magnificent, man. I just, I love excellence. I love when someone just rises to the top of a shark -infested pool because that's what boxing is. And when you're at your level and when you could perform that way against a guy like Errol Spence, against a guy who's an undefeated elite champion and for you to perform that way, that's just what, to me, what boxing is all about.

1:04:36When one person shows that there are levels upon levels, upon levels upon levels. Yeah. And then they put you in this category where people go, okay, well, what other champions can move around in weight classes or go up or come down? Like, you know, there's, I know there's been a lot of discussion about different people from different weight classes coming up to. Is there anything else that's interesting to you other than Canelo or Jamel? Nah, nothing. No. You just need like dragons to slay. You know what I mean? At this point in your life, you can't even fight a regular fighter. Yeah, like, I don't know, like, I get excited.

1:05:17I don't know why. I get excited when I talk about Canelo, like I used to get excited about Pac -Yo. Really? You know, I used to get so excited, like, man, I'm gonna be able to fight Pac -Yo, you know, because - Is that the one you think got away? Yeah, it definitely did. It definitely did. I try my eyes on - What stopped that fight from - They didn't want to fight. It's too dangerous. They didn't want to fight. Freddie Roach said he didn't want to fight. They, Pac -Yo, Handlers didn't want to fight. You know, I believe Pac -Yo, as a fighter, he wanted to fight, but they didn't want to fight for him.

1:05:56So, you know, it's just got away. When looking back at, like, Floyd career, like him coming up in that, in that era that he came up in, he had all of them champions that he was able to fight. And that's what led him to be so great, you know, because he fought the most champions, beat the most champions, you know, got the most money for beating the most champions. So, it was just like, man, he had this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, back to back the fight, one after one, you know, and when I was coming at the peak of my career, they all retire. You know what I mean? So, it's like, I can't get these guys' name on my resume, you know what I mean?

1:06:47So, it's just like, you know, now I'm the old guy in the, in the era, you know, that the young guys want to try to get a piece of, to build a legacy. And put names on every resume. And it's just gonna keep history, gonna keep repeating itself. Yeah, there's always gonna be a new guy coming up, and there's like, right now you got boot tennis in your way class. Definitely. What do you think about him? Oh, he's very talented. He's improving, but he's very talented. Yeah. You know, the I test tells it all, you know, he's got the it, you know, but we haven't seen him against any elite fighter. We've never seen him test it, so until then, you know, we just gonna keep saying, oh, boots, boots, boots, until he meet that fighter that's gonna test him.

1:07:44Is he the mandatory? Yeah, I probably got like three mandatory. Yeah, all right. Yeah, four belts. Four belts. Yeah. Is that a fight that you would be interested in? Nah. It just no makes sense right now in my career. Like I said, like, especially money wise, don't know if I really know boots, but us, you know, I'm looking for bigger and better challenges like Kanoa. Usually the big one. Yeah. The big fish. Fish fry. Definitely, definitely. Them little guys I'm looking for, you know. Why do you say fish fry? Because he called himself the big fish. Oh. You know, arrow, arrow said he was the big fish and I said, we was gonna fry him.

1:08:33It was gonna, it was gonna real him in. It was gonna put him on the bank. It was gonna gut him. It was gonna fill him. Then it was gonna fry him. And that's what happened. Yeah, and you did it. When boxing is, this is a great time for boxing. There's so many stars coming up right now. And everybody fighting each other. Yeah, what did you think of the Loma Chango Devon Haney fight? I was a great fight. I was actually ringside, you know. Devon, Devon showed a lot of heart, grit. Conello showed a lot of heart and grit. Loma Chango. I mean, yeah. I said Conello. See my mind. He's like, you're locked in.

1:09:12Yes. Loma Chango, he showed a lot of heart and grit. And, you know, they fought their ass off. You know, they fought their ass off and the better man won at that. Did you think that the decision made sense? Man, listen, I'm not a judge. I tell people, I'm not a judge. I can't, you know, tell a person that's been judging probably longer than I've been boxing, you know. What he's basing his rounds on or why he give what round to who we can argue all day. But they ain't going to change the results. Right. So I just don't get into it. I just hope that I never be on the end of that. That's it. Right.

1:10:01Yeah, that's, that's what's unfortunate. Is that it was such a great fight, but so many people thought the decision wasn't right that it sort of diminished the accomplishments of both fighters. Because Devon Haney fought a brilliant fight. And so did Loma Chango. I mean, Loma Chango turned the clock back. He was incredible. Yeah, both of them put on a show, you know. I was, I was rooting for Devon the whole time, you know. But both of them put a, put a hell of a show on. And you know, I got to my hats off to them because, you know, they put it all on the line. Yeah. And, you know, that weight class is a fucking stacked weight class too.

1:10:37When Devon Haney beat Ken Boses and beat him twice and just the way he did it, like the way he looked. Oh, I know that. You heard me that? Definitely. Not, not taking that away from Ken Boses. It's just levels levels. You know, it's a reason why, you know, people was avoiding Devon and Shakur. Right. Those two boxing phenols, you know, she's not, she's not on that level mentally. Like, you know, you were gonna compete with those two dudes. Right. And it's such an interesting thing because a lot of people don't know, you know, the general public. When somebody gets to like an elite level, they need some high profile fight in order for people to realize, because all the boxing fans realize, like Shakur is a great example.

1:11:32It's not really a household name, but it should be. Means a elite fighter. He's so fucking good. But he needs like a big high profile fight. Like Devon, they did, you know, against Ryan. I'm by one of the fighters. Right. Nobody want to fight him. Yeah. And I see why, you know, I get it. But at the same time, you know, they're gonna have to see him sooner or later. No matter what, no matter how far they go, they don't have to see him sooner or later. So, you know, all these fighters, you know, he's calling out everybody. He's calling out the pit bull. He's calling out Loma Trinco. He's calling out Devon.

1:12:12He's calling out, you know, Tane. He's calling out everybody. Yeah. He want to fight everybody right now. Right. And I said, dangerous man, when you know how talented he is and he's motivated, he's focused, he's, he's, stay in the gym. He's a gym rat. He loves boxing to the core. Like, yeah, that's, that's a dangerous man right now. Cause he got something on his mind that, you know, he want to, he want to accomplish. And he's still very young. Yeah. Very young and still getting better with every fight. Him versus Tane would be insane. Tane is one of the most interesting fighters to watch. Cause he's so different.

1:12:53His style is so different. You know, he's so economical. Like, he puts pressure on guys without throwing too many punches and then he starts to figure your holes out and the way he can explode and move in with one shot. My God. Yeah, he, he's very explosive. He's very explosive and, you know, man, he'd be cracking them those. He'd be put in his sleep. Just crack it, people. And he has so much confidence in his power. So much confidence in his power. But he doesn't give a fuck if he's giving away. Yeah, he definitely be giving away rounds. But, you know, he just, in his mind, he, you know, it's a matter of time before I catch.

1:13:35Yeah. That's the thing with Tane, you know, these, these fighters, you know, you got to be aware. 15 rounds. I know you're going 12, but you, you got to think you're going three more because, you know, the slightest slip. And we seen it, you know, time and time again. One slip, one mistake and it's over. Yeah. You know, so, you know, has off to Tane, you know, he's, he's a great talented fighter. But again, he haven't faced the top. Right. Elite fighters in his division, you know, so we want to see Tane against, you know, somebody his size, you know, at the, at the elite level. Yeah. And I believe you do good because, you know, he got the skills, the power, he got the ring IQ to do good.

1:14:30But we haven't seen that yet. Yeah, he's, he's also wild. He's a wild fella. So he's fun to watch. Yeah. He's just a crazy dude. Yeah. Coming from Baltimore, man. Nothing does, just his upbringing as well, you know, product of his own environment. Yes. Yes, for sure. He's just so unique in his approach. Like, you know, he doesn't fight like anybody else. Yeah. Sorry. I just get very frustrated when there's amazing fights that are on the table that don't get made, you know, like, Usik and Tyson Fury. Yeah. I was like, I want to say, I know Usik is small, right? You know, he's small for the way class.

1:15:10But God damn that dude's good. God damn he's good. And the pace that he fights out for it, heavyweight is insane. Definitely. I think that goes back to, you know, the business, you know, the business side, you know, Usik is, you know, a great fighter and it has accomplished great things in the sport of boxing. And for him to get distracted, you know, and then negotiations because I'm pretty sure that's prior what it came down to is, it's not right. Well, he was willing to accept 70 -30, which is crazy. But he's like, I just, I want this fight. This is a big fight. And he must realize also that 30 % of a Tyson Fury fight is probably bigger than anything he's ever had before in his life.

1:15:59But I still honestly think, you know, he deserves more than that. I think so too. But I love the fact that he said yes. Yeah. And then it still didn't happen. Right. So, you know, who was behind the reason why it didn't happen? Yeah, I know. That's when you start asking those type of questions. Who do you think was behind it? I don't know, I can't say. I wasn't, you know, in the negotiations, but, you know, it should be some type of form where, you know, these fights should be mandatory to happen. So, you can clean up the sport of boxing. It can only be one champion, one division, like the UFC.

1:16:42You know, I think we got too many titles. I think we got too many sanctioned bodies. I think, you know, we need to clean up the sport as a whole. I think the fights need, I mean, the fighters need, you know, pensions, need 401Ks. We need a union, we need health insurance. I think we need all that, you know, we put our life on a line to go out here and entertain, you know, the people. And once we're doing entertaining, we leave home, you know, and we come home, not to say in a fighter that we once was when we left, you know, and it's heartbreaking to see a lot of these old -time fighters, you know, that speaking impaired and, you know, can't enjoy the fruit of their labor or just flat out broke.

1:17:40And they gave, they, they life to the sport. And doesn't have anything to show for it. And I think that's wrong. I think, you know, we need to create something to where, at least the fighters can, you know, live comfortable after the sport of boxing, given if, you know, something dramatic was to happen. Or, you know, you didn't put in a certain amount of years in a sport that you can pay in on your own to have you a 401K. So when you retire, you got some type of income coming in because when you're getting that much money so fast and so frequently, you're just spinning. You're just spinning because in your mind, I'm gonna fight again and I'm gonna get it again.

1:18:26I'm gonna fight again, then I'm gonna get it again, but then you start living off of that. And then once you get to the end, tell end of your career, you're like, damn, I didn't spin millions or millions. And I got a couple of more fights. Now you're struggling, you know, because you got pay taxes. If not, they come in and take everything you got. And then, you know, you pay tax, now you got not even half of that. And now you're looking like, damn, I got to make this stretch. And then you ain't got no work ethic skills because you've been boxing your whole life. You didn't go to college to get no curricular skills and other lanes.

1:19:05So, yeah, I think we need to create something that clean up the sport of boxing. Do you think it's possible to eliminate the sanctioning bodies? I mean, the only person that can kind of do it is a guy like you. Because like if you're a world champion for different organizations, you're undisputed. There's no one that can say that the World to Way champion in the world, except for Terrence Crawford. If you say, all these belts are bullshit, like I'm the fucking champion, whether it's the Ring Magazine belt or whatever you sanction, whatever you sanction. Do you think it's possible to do something like that?

1:19:39I think it is. I think anything is possible. You know, I think, you know, Floyd, I think Canelo, they showed us time and time again that it's not about the belts. When you get to a certain point in your career, you bigger than the belts. Right. Coming up, everybody want to be a champion. But once you get your name out there and you become a mega star star, the belts don't mean nothing. We paying for the belts. How much do you have to pay? I pay like what, three percent? Three percent. Two percent. Three percent. Like, that's crazy. Definitely. So it's like, it's like I'm paying you to make me a belt.

1:20:20And do you have to pay three percent to each individual section? Some of them is different. Some of them is three. Some of them too. You know, so it's like, I'm paying for you to come out here and watch me fight to give me a belt that, you know, I mean, I'm already paying for like, come on. I'm paying you. You not paying me. I'm paying you. So the only one that really matters the rainbow because it's free. That's free. Like, why do I got to pay to be champion? Once you start thinking about that, like, damn, yeah, I'm paying all this money. And the ring magazine belt is as respected as any of them.

1:21:01Yeah. That's the number one guy in the division. Yeah. That's how it should be. I don't think, you know, a champion should have to pay to be champion. No. And where is all the other money going to? Yeah. You know, especially when you get to these high price fights, you know, that that two and three percent is turning into a lot of money. Yes. So you're like, okay, so what is you doing with the money? Right. Where is the money going to? Where's the value? Yeah. Yeah. So the value is entirely in you, definitely in you and your name. That's a big people don't give a fuck about those three letters at all.

1:21:38They just know turns Crawford to the best and who he's fighting. Who cares? Like whatever it is, that's the big fight. It doesn't WBO, WBC, 9vF. I don't know what he gives a fuck. They don't. They don't. They don't. They care about who you be. Oh, you just be to nobody. You know, I mean, care about the belts. You know, yeah, it's cool to say, you know, I mean, he's an undersputed champion of the world, you know, I mean, or he's a champion of the world. That's beautiful. You know, I mean, that's history. That's legacy. But at the end of the day, you know, it's all about the man's future. You know, that money that we spending on them belts and then with them sanctioned bodies can go to our kids and our family.

1:22:26Yes. You know, so it's a lot of money that a lot of leeches. Yeah. Um, what do you think about what Floyd's doing? What Floyd's doing is kind of crazy. I love it. It's amazing. He's making more money than most boxers just fighting people have zero chance. I love it. I love it because it's entertainment. Yes. You know, um, I lead it. Tyson did it. Like why can't Floyd do it? A lot of people are Floyd's doing the better. Yeah. That's what I was about to say. A lot of people get mad because how well he's doing it. Yeah. But if I was in Floyd position and I got the opportunity to do a Floyd is doing right now, travel the world, uh, sparring.

1:23:10Yeah. You know, I would do it. But we spar for free. Right. You know, why not spar for some millions of dollars? It's not going on my record. I'm entertaining. I'm, uh, you know, um, I'm getting to work out, uh, at the same time. Why not? Right. No, I agree. I think it's amazing. I just love the fact that he's gained a system. Yeah. You know, because of the system is you get to a certain point time. Your champion, make as much money as you possibly can. You retire and then there's no more money. And Floyd's like, let me just box some people that have zero chance. And then now with what's going on, like Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, like you can get paid insane amounts of money.

1:23:52Like if you're Floyd, people just want to see you perform. Definitely. And he just said, if you're Floyd, you see Tyson Feer now went over there and he got that. Yeah. That's happening in October. That is an interesting thing. That's an interesting thing because you got a guy in Francis and Gano who was the heavyweight. The champ retired from the UFC left the UFC as the champ, but has zero professional boxing fights. He has no chance. But I was at what I was doing an interview at the UFC gym. They asked me about the fight. I said, yeah, no chance. Tyson Feer all day. You talking about one of the best heavyweight ever, ever.

1:24:35You know, I mean, and you think this guy with no boxing experience going to come in there and just beat him. He don't hear harder than tight up. He don't hear hard and the outside wilder. No, nobody hits harder. So what you think this guy going to do with them 10 ounce gloves on now with four ounces, six ounces. What he wear, he probably strong, but yeah, I have some more ounces on, you know, it's a different game. He's going to get tired. You know, it's going to be, it's going to be a different guy. Yeah, he's, he doesn't have the experience and to go from, listen, I think that he could have a, he's also 36.

1:25:15You know, he could have a career as a heavyweight boxer because he hits so fucking hard. If they built him up and he starts fighting guys and, you know, different styles and gets to the point where he's really got experience a few years down the line. He could fight world class fighters. I think he could fight good boxers. If he, if he learns those lessons, I don't know, but to do it is 30. That's what I'm saying. That's a little up there. You know, that's up there. You're going to take, it's going to take some years to develop him a long time to take him through them steps and get tested and, you know, he walking right into the championship with nothing.

1:25:51It's kind of crazy. I command him though. Oh, well, he wants the bag. He's going to get a big one. I mean, I don't know what he's going to get paid, but it's going to be more money than he's ever made before. Right. I believe him. Yeah. That's why all those MMA guys coming over to boxing, trying to, you know, they see kind of a Gregor. They like, oh, yeah, they don't have money. Yeah. Let me try. That was a fascinating fight. Controversial Floyd. It was fascinating because Connor's just a talented fighter, but to just jump right in against the best ever. Like it's just, hey, he did what he had to do.

1:26:27Yeah. Got that back. That's all it. It comes down to, you know, solidifying yourself and taking care of your family. You know, that's why I say a lot of people, they look at a lot of these boxers that have a loss. And then they just think they're not good or, you know, great. Man, I'm guys training at ASAP. You know, with these fighters go through in the MMA and boxing, that fighters go through the most. They just entertain and put food on the tables for a family and they children to care of them. And they don't get the recognition or respect that they deserve. No, you know, you see all these other sports they get praised.

1:27:14But boxing and MMA is, man, I should it's hard. It's like you versus one man like brutally like trying to kill each other, you know, for, for some money. You know, or people to be cheering. And it's like you don't know the fight is the easy part. You've seen, like you don't see the injuries I had to overcome in training camp. You don't see all the mornings I had to get up when I was tired. You can't see all the, you know, the, the hard other training that I had to do to get to right now. They, they see things right now. They don't see the years that I had to do just to get to this point. You know, they don't see all the sacrifices I had to make to get to this point.

1:28:01They just see you right now, right? You know, they could have been a fan of you from your last fight. But what about you before that last fight? What about you, the whole 10 plus years that you've been doing this sport as a professional? What about that? And it's just like, man, like I didn't work my ass off to get to this point right now. And it's like, this shouldn't even come easy. Like you might think it is because you just know noticing me in my career. But it was hard. Like, like, who, who, who things getting punched in the face in the head is that's tough living. It's tough living, especially the championship level.

1:28:45That's tough living. I think most people don't have any comprehension of the amount of sacrifice, the amount of just determination and will and discipline that you have to have. Yeah. It's hard, man. I don't, I don't... My kids? No. No. No football, no boxing. Good for you. They hate it. But when you get to a point where you can make decisions on your own, I'm out of it. But I rather you keep wrestling, keep playing basketball. It's college tuition already paid for, so you're all good. Think of something else. Go play soccer, go play tennis or something. Go play baseball, you know, coming up in the hood.

1:29:32There's three things that the black community raised. Basketball, football, boxers. Wrestlers, I was well, but you came in on my wrestling. That's what you love see. But yeah, come on, no. There's other sports that you can do. Golf, they make a lot of money. Baseball, they make a lot of money. Soccer, they make a shit ton of money. So it's like, you know, when they little they just be like, I want to make a lot of money, I want to be a basketball player. Well, you're not going to be six, five. You're going to be four, 11. No. It's always the real, real short. Yeah. You know, kids, that's talking about they want to go to the NBA.

1:30:20And I always get mad when the people say, you can be whatever you want to be. No, you can't. That was a lie. You cannot be whatever you want to be. No matter what you say, how hard you train, genetics is genetics. You know, a football. You might be too small. Basketball, you might be too short. You can't be the president just because you want to be the president. Right. So don't tell this person you can be whatever you want to be. Then you grow up thinking, I want to be the president. Well, you can try. I'm not going to kill your dreams, but it's going to be hard for you to be the president. Yeah.

1:30:58Well, at least the president doesn't rely too much on genetics. Yeah. Because we were talking about this last night that there's levels upon levels, levels upon levels, and the truly elite have everything. They have talent. They have the mind for it. They have the genetics and they have the training and they have the discipline. Because some really talented people don't work as hard. Definitely. We've all encountered. That's the Buster Douglas story, right? Super talented. Just only really applied himself during the Tyson fight, you know, in camp and look at how he came out. His mom had died. He was devastated, heartbroken.

1:31:40He decided he was going to win the fight for his mother, trained like a fucking demon and came out and outbox Tyson was hitting with that jab left hook. Like, what? Yeah. Like who fucking expected that? He looks so good. He looked like an all -time great in that fight. I remember watching that fight and watching the Tyson holy field fight in my mom's liver room on the box TVs with the big backs and stuff. Yeah, man, I used to be like, man, damn, man, it was kind of, it was kind of sad watching Tyson lose his first fight. It was unbelievable. Even though I saw the fight after the result, I didn't see the fight when it happened.

1:32:24I saw it afterwards. I knew what happened and I still couldn't believe it. I'm like, he's going to get up. He's going to get up, he's going to win. He always wins. He's going to win. Yeah. You couldn't believe it. That's how revered Mike Tyson was. Everything was silent. It was crazy. Everybody was just like, what? And then when Roy Jones Jr. got knocked out by a tauber, like, man, people was crying. My house was like, well, with that, my coach house, people was crying. I was like heartbroken. Like, you know, like when you go on a roller coaster, then you go down to your stomachs and get in. That sounds like, all right.

1:33:07And now, damn, man, I can't believe it. I'm like, man, I just knew Roy was going to win. I was like, man, he shouldn't have fought him again. I was like, he should have just took the win and then fought him again. Well, he had gone all the way up to heavyweight and all the way back down to light heavyweight. And I think that weak cut was brutal. But he still won, though. Yeah. He shouldn't have fought him again. Right. That's how I like a little kid. I know. He should have fought him again, man. And I'm cool as hell with tauber, you know what I mean? Both of them. Tauber's great, you know what I mean?

1:33:43But he shouldn't have fought him again. But when they were reading the instructions to him, he said, you got an excuse tonight, Roy. I was like, oh my God. That was heavy. Yeah. And then he knocked him off. That was a rough one. But for me, the rougher one was Glenn Johnson. Yeah. When Glenn Johnson knocked him out because he was stiff. And that was right after the tauber knocked out. And he even looked like he hit him that hard. I just think, you know, after that, Roy just couldn't take the punches and no more. Right. Because it seemed like, you know, his body wasn't reacting the same way to the punches.

1:34:21You know, every time he get hit with a clean shot, it was like, rattling. You know, I always tell people, it's not the punch. It's your brain. Got to have that water. A lot of people be dehydrating themselves to the fact where, you know, they lose in too much water. They brain and then once they get hit, their brain is knocking against nothing. It's your skull. And then that, that, that, that snap. That's what knocks him off. You see a lot of that, never made. God's cut a tremendous amount of weight in MMA. Man, you know, I got friends that, that's in the MMA. And I've never seen somebody lose so much weight in one day.

1:35:10Just to make weight. It's crazy. It's like, man, I'm losing like 12 pounds. More. I'm like, how y 'all losing so much weight in one day? Like, y 'all crazy. Yeah. And they can't even use IVs. Yeah. You guys can use IVs to be hydrating, you know? You guys can't. No. When did they change that? Shh. I ain't never knew that. They, they, they changing. I think that was legal because you didn't know when Floyd fought a packyard. I was a thing that he was using IVs or something like that. But yeah, you can't, you can't use that stuff. Yeah. That was the way that fighters always recuperated. They always took IVs.

1:35:50And then you saw it came along and apparently you can use a US, you can use the IV to mask, performance and dancing drugs. That's where they outlawed it. Yeah. I think the weight cutting in MMA is, they should ban it. And I don't know how they could do it. But y 'all need more weight classes. That's the problem. Because when, when you talk about lightweight knee you're going from, what is it? 155 to 170. Yeah, 155 to 170. Jike jump. How about 185 to 205? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's like, man, we got to, because we, we, we, we damn shall and can't go up there. Yeah. You're one of the only elite boxers that can wrestle.

1:36:34Yeah. Does anybody ever come to you and said, Terence, what do you think? Yeah. Dip your toes in the MMA water. Yeah, I'm getting paid enough. But if you did, nope. No, anybody about to be kicking me. Hey, look, we can wrestle, we can fight. Well, them kicks. Yeah. No, I don't care when nobody, man, them kicks is dangerous, bro. Especially them kicks in the leg. Did you see when Muhammad Ali was doing that exhibition with that kickbox? No key. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, tore them up. tore Ali up. Yeah. And now you, now you respect that sport. I respect it. I respect it. We can, we can fight and wrestle all day.

1:37:19I ain't, I'm kicks and elbows. Have you ever trained with any of that stuff? Have you ever tried to train boy tire? No. Nothing. I trained you just who a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But them kicks and elbows, nah, I'm dangerous. I'm dangerous. And they sneak you to them. Because when you're not, when you're not used to again kicked, you know what I mean? You can think somebody about the punch you and they, boom, boom. You block, you own block kicks like you block punches. Right. So you might be trying to parry something and there you go. There's Ali versus the no key. And the no key was lying on his back, which is crazy.

1:37:56And what shoes on? Yeah, turn, turn Ali lays up, man. Yeah, just kicking at his legs. But just know the way they fought was so crazy that he just dropped down to his back and was throwing kicks. He had no gloves on, but I don't think, I don't think he punched him. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Yeah. Man, you gotta be aware of everything. Very dangerous, too. Very dangerous. Yeah. Legs can get torn apart. Knees get ruined. You're told. Yep. Kicking somebody, you're told your fingers. And y 'all go through a lot. Yeah. Man. Man, y 'all go through a lot. I mean, MMA do's, man. $5 ,000.

1:38:44Just show up. $5 ,000 in the wind. $5 ,000 for a bench and show. Yeah, see. Hey, Odo. Yeah. Well, that's the guys coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what I'm going to say. That's how it is in UFC 2. Yeah. I don't. They might get a little more money, but they'd be saying things like 20, 20 million, I mean, not 20 million, 20 ,000, yeah. 20 ,000, 20 ,000, 20 ,000, 20 ,000. So they fight in the air as often to get that bonus. Yeah. It's true. But the air is all to get that bonus. I don't like the wind bonus. Yeah. I do not like that at all. I think that, because first of all, there's bad decisions.

1:39:22And when you have a bad decision and someone gets caught up, if a guy's making 50 and 50, and then there's a bad judge call and you lose $50 ,000, because people are incompetent at their job, happens all the time. So why don't they just change it to a like boxing, like a flat purse? They should. I don't know. I'm not responsible. It's not my side of the game. It's just a commentator. Change it to a flat purse. 100%. Yeah, like boxing, man. Wind lose draw. We getting X amount. That's one that can't try. Yeah. That's it. That's how it should be. Because it's not like anybody doesn't try to win. Yeah.

1:40:02Because they think that they're going to get their money either way. They're going to try to win. And those be financed. So man, they be busted up. I already all the way out here. Teeth and a mouthpiece. Yep. Like man, I'm just like, come on. You talking about gladiator words? That's what they is. Do you watch all of UFC? Yeah. I'll be watching. Who stands out for you? Who you are? John Jones. John Bones Jones. That's my guy. I like. Damn, man. I don't. It'd be hard to say his name. He just beat the dude that beat him. I have a Israel. Israel. Yeah. I like Israel. Oh, he's amazing. Israel. Yeah.

1:40:50That dude, he beat that beat him and he just beat man. I do it big. Dude, man. He's huge. Yeah. He big. That guy got a lot of weight. Yeah. Because he waited at 185 pounds and then he fought at 225. Yeah. He was 225 when he got into the ring. Yeah. That's crazy. Damn my guy that just beat Sohuda. Al Jamin. Al Jamin. Al Jamin. Yeah. He's fighting this weekend. I was just down there with him. I was when I was trying to win. I was trying to twist together before that fight and after he was doing physical therapy. He was possibly playing basketball. So if you're watching Al Jou, you still got to get on that court with old boy now.

1:41:30Yeah. Yeah. He's fighting this weekend against Jerome Alley. That's a big fight. Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever go to those live? Yeah. I went to a few of them live. Yeah. Yeah. I went to a few of them live. I think I went to the last one I went to was Amanda Newiers. Amanda. She was fighting. Damn. I forgot her name. But two guys from Omaha drew Dobert. Okay. And he fought John Jones to he from Omaha. You put Omaha in the map. You really did. People talk about Omaha now a lot. Smith. Anthony Smith. Okay. Yeah. Drew Dobert and Anthony Smith was fighting on the same car. So I went there to support them in Amanda.

1:42:22I like Amanda. She had to go. Yeah. She's amazing. She had to retire because her legs are so damaged. Yeah. She goes too much kicking ass. Like she got nerve damage during legs. She is never going to go away. Probably not. Yeah. So you got to think you're getting shins slammed into those nerves over and over again. Slammed into your calves. You ever been calf kicked? No, don't kick me. We know about to do none of that. Don't kick me. Listen, my legs are skinny. We know about to do it. Hey, you kicked me. Jump. Yeah. Do you think there's any boxers that would be that would intert I mean the only person that's elite that ever fought in the MMA realm was James Tony got choked up.

1:43:11He ain't got no wrestling background. He didn't. I don't think you even trained for it. I interviewed him before that fight who's making up kick names. I think he traded. I think he just boxed. You know, this is hoping to catch him with a punch. Yeah. Nah. First thing they're going to do is shoot. First they're going to fake the punch up top and then they're going to shoot. If you don't know how to sprawl, it's a wrap. Yeah, it's a wrap. See, wrestling, man, I always say, man, I'm a boxer, but I can wrestle. If a wrestler grabs you, I don't care what you know, I don't care who you is. It's over with if you don't know the rest.

1:43:55Right. It's over with. Yeah. I know you can do it nine times out of ten street fight. You're going to end up on the ground. Period. So if you don't knock him out before you grab you or in the mix of him trying to grab you, it's over with. Yeah. It's over with. I hope you're in shape.

1:44:17I will poke him in the eye, bite him something, but wrestlers, they tough. Yeah. So my bite him, they might be like, bite harder, put you in a chokehold and it's over with. Wrestling is such a tough sport and there's no accolades. There's no glory, there's no world championship where you're making millions of dollars. It's just all for the glory of winning. That's all there is to it. And those are some of the toughest human beings alive. Elite wrestlers, like you want to talk about hard work. I didn't mean to do some of them. Did you wrestle in high school? No, I wrestled in middle school. Middle school?

1:45:00I stopped in middle school. Because your boxing career started taking off? I actually got kicked out of school. Really? Yeah. What happened? I was playing around with the kids, me and my friends. We had the little kids so we was going through the hallways and we were scratching each other neck with the kids. So just say if somebody right here in the middle of us and you don't see me and I go over here and I scratch you on the neck with the kids, you just be like, we just start dying. That was the thing to do back then. His little soft self went to the nurse. It was like, the nurse asked him what happened.

1:45:41He was just like, oh me and my friend Terrence was playing around and he scratched me with the kid. So they brought me to the office and expelled me because they said I was using the weapon. Wow. I got expelled for half of the whole school year and had to go to an art turnover school. Wow. Yeah. He's crazy. But I was quitting the wrestling anyway. I wrestling was tough. Man, I'm doing this. Get my hands on it. No. But I think there's something about your wrestling background that helps you in the bench. Definitely. Definitely. I still always messing around wrestling. That is the day. You know, yeah, that wrestling gets you physically strong.

1:46:24It gets you, you know, your foundation first and foremost, everything comes from your foundation. So if you got a good base, good foundation, you're going to be hard to move for anybody. You know, that's why you know, you see those sumo wrestlers, you know, they foundation, they base, it's just like, hmm, right. You can try your hardest to move them and they just sitting there and he's like, yeah, man, how I'm not able to move this dude and I'm pushing him. It's just, they got that base and that foundation. Yeah. There was a discussion. I forget what experts were talking about that, but they were factoring in your wrestling background.

1:47:02And they were saying that there's something about Terrence when he's in the clinch that's different than other people. It's because of your ability to manipulate bodies where you can move people around. And then also what you do, I think better than anybody ever, you land punches in tight spaces, in tight spaces where you just find the chin. You know, you're so good at like those tight hooks, you know, and you're just, yeah, man, it's just, it's so, it's just very impressive to be able to pull that off on a guy like Aral Spence. The way that's something that, man, my coaches was working on, shorting up your shots because if you're watching a few of my pass fights, I kind of opened up.

1:47:51I kind of throw my shots to why, leave myself open. So that was something that was working on in camp. And I always told the reporters and people that interview me, it ain't about spans. And I'm got a changing thing up for spans. I just got to make sure I'm prepared and I'm 110 % ready for myself. And all I got to do is be myself. And then I believe I be anybody. Was there ever a time where you wondered or were you worried that you weren't going to get that big fight as you're like 35 years old, you get become 36, 30. And then you're in the position like Arthur better be of who's 19 and 19 knockouts, everyone's fucking terrified of the guy.

1:48:38Can't get a big fight. Just can't get that big marquee fight. Definitely. I can tell you, I was in a process of thinking about retiring because I was just like, man, not going to get that spans fight. But it's worth a shot to go back and try to see if we can land that fight. But I'm not about to get, I'm not about to just take anything just for the fight. A lot of fans and a lot of people in the media, they felt as if I should just take anything, but they're not the one fighting. They're not the one that being doing this their whole life. So for them to tell me, just take this or just take that.

1:49:28Given if I was to put them in the same predicament that, I mean, and all the accolades that I have, what they do the same thing or what they just take whatever somebody is just going to give them. I had to stand for something to get to a point in my life where I can get everything that I want. And I feel like me standing, standing my ground and standing firm and true to myself, and I switching up and I, overdoing it led me to this moment right here. One of the things that happens with some boxes is they leave a lot in the gym and sparring sessions and that they just spar too hard. They have too many hard sparring sessions.

1:50:25How often do you spar? I spar Tuesday, Thursday and Saturdays. Someone be hard. You know what I mean? That's just how it is. You can't replace, you know, I would say like take sparring and like soft sparring from, you know, a comparison to get ready for a fight because you fight how you spar. You spar how you fight. And if I'm in there just doing this, then when the fight comes and everything is full blast, I'm not going to be able to keep up because I don't train that way. I can hit the bag, I can hit the miss all that I want, but nothing's coming back. I'm not feeling that presence of a person pushing me, hitting me, holding me, things like that.

1:51:23So sparring is very important. And not saying that you have to go hard every single time you spar, but there got to be days where that fighter is trying to put it on you because now you're getting used to that. And now your body is getting in shape to withstand the rounds, the time, the, you know, the, the, the grappling, the hole and the hitting, all that. So you need that. How do you judge when you're doing too much hard sparring? Your body I tell you. I'm a firm believer listening to my body, you know, so I've been doing this a long time. My coaches, they've been doing this just as long or longer, or bone -backed longer.

1:52:10But we all started, you know, this journey on, and I was 2008 when I turned pro. So they've been around me since I was a kid, so they know when my body is breaking down, or when I'm complaining about something, both be like, all right, what are we going to do this today? What are we going to do this today? And I'd be like, man, what, what? He'd be like, we're going to do this today. I'm like, man, I don't want to do that, man, I want to work, because as a fighter, I want to work hard every day. But it's up to your coaches to know when to pull back. When it takes days off, oh, no, you ain't working out today, huh?

1:52:51You ain't working out today. You been working out hard, you know, today off, or some days we were going in, you'd be like, how are we going to do four -round sparring? Like, what? Yeah, we're going to do four -round sparring. All right. I got it. So things like that. So it's just a trust and understanding that your coaches know you as good or better than you know you? Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. So they're going to tell me, you know, some days they're going to say, man, you ain't got no energy today. Did you eat? Some days I'd be like, no, I need to eat before I can't, or I can tell, you know, or you're moving kind of slow.

1:53:34You are. So it's very important that you be honest with your coaches as well, because a lot of people, you know, they tend to keep certain things away from them. And then when things go left, then the coaches is the blame. When the coaches wasn't aware of everything that was going on with you. So if you got, you know, injuries or you're not feeling well or, you know, something's not right or something's going on, as a team, you got to let your team know, because that's why they're there. And that's why they're able to pick up on certain things like, you know, you're overturning or you're not, you know, getting enough rest.

1:54:17What time you're going to sleep at night, you know, you need to put the phone down at this time and, you know, just all that. Do you monitor your resting heart rate, your heart rate variability? Do you do any of that stuff? Yeah, I do all that, you know, in the mornings. So when I get up in the morning, we put on my finger, then we monitor that and then it takes your blood, oxygen, oxygen level, heart rate, and all that stuff. And so from there, you can say, okay, I'm a little tired, or there, I'm a little overworked. It's not really easier today. Not really. You know, sometimes you can, you, I go off of that, but, you know, I just go off for how my body feel.

1:55:01You know, I just use that for just how much oxygen I'm taking in and the levels that I'm at. So once I start cutting weight, or this, what I've been at, this, this, this range, once I start cutting weight, then I can compare the two. And how far out do you start cutting weight? I probably cut weight, probably like two weeks, two to three weeks. And so that's just a decrease in calories. Is there anything else that goes along with that? Is it an increase in cardio or anything else? No, just everything the same. It's just, you know, decreasing the amount of food intake, you know, we start cutting the food, probably like portions, then, you know, we probably change up the times of the workouts.

1:55:54And then when you get down to the day of the winds, how much weight are you actually cutting? Nine. Nine. So when you weigh in, that's natural. Yeah, like the day of the winds, I'm not cutting nine. That's beautiful. I used to, I used to have to cut like five pounds in the morning of the winds, you know, um, did you feel that the next day? No, not really, sometimes, but not really, but it's better than not. Yeah, because I always, I just ran, you know, your wrestling is most important. Like I just sit in the bed all day, especially when I was at 135, I didn't do nothing. I was cutting weight, cutting weight, cutting weight 140, cutting weight, cutting weight, you know, um, but yeah, like that's your tough.

1:56:41Like this, this, this last fight with Spencer was tough, you know, but I, I try to make weight, you know, at least the night before. So I could sleep in, sleep, uh, as long as possible to the winds and, you know, uh, go from there. And what do you do for recovery? Do you have anything specific that you do for recovery? Massages, sauna, anything on those lines? I get massages. I don't use sauna. No, I don't use sauna. Um, that's pretty much it. Just, you know, normative. Oh, those leg things, yeah, those are great. Normative massage. I hate to clothe cold plunge. I did, I did it for the first time in this, this, this camp.

1:57:30And man, I tell y 'all, we are freezing. I always thought my balls was going to be freezing, but my fucking fingers was cold. Fingers, like, my toes wasn't cold. I was so, I was so cold, I couldn't even feel my feet. I was in there like this. I was trying to put my, put my hands under my, under my armpits. And I was just shaking like this. And I was just like, I'm about to get out. There was like, there was motivating me. And I was like, man, I can't, man, this is the hardest thing that I ever did because I'm anemic. So me and cold don't, you're anemic? Yeah, I got a tick iron pills. Really? Yeah.

1:58:08Interesting. Is that before you stopped red bean always? Really? And I was a little, yeah. So I got to go from the cold and then they put me in the hot, and then it felt like needles was shocking my body. Like needles was going through. I'm like, dang, you know what I mean? I felt good. Then they was like, all right, you got to go back in the cold plunge for one minute. No, it was two minutes, two minutes. I was like, what? Like, come on. So I went up and there and then I was like, all right, get out, you done. I said, I don't go back in the hot. There was like, no, I was like, oh, man. But I was cool that I did it.

1:58:45Yeah. That is something that, you know, I wouldn't do. And I did it for the first time. And I felt like I accomplished something. How did you feel after you got out? I felt good. Yeah. I felt good. But the crazy part about that is, two days after that, I had got a cold. And I was like, I was messed up. And I was like, man, was it, was it because of that? But found out that it was the air conditioner in the house. It was blown right on my face. On my bed. I sleep with the cover on my head. I don't know why. I'm really? Yeah. I've been doing that since I was a little kid. So we looked up and and show enough.

1:59:29I was just like, man. And it was like on like, 62. So it was freezing in the house. And I was like, man, I turned off everything in the house. It was all hot. Everybody was trying to kept trying to turn the air back on. Like, man, turn that off. Like, no. And it's 120 in in Vegas. I'm like, yeah. It's that turned it off. I was like, man, I can't, I ain't never experienced that ever in my life. I never got sick doing fight week. Really? Ever. So how sick did you get? I was, I was sick. For one day, I was like, down. I was down, but like, yeah, how far from the fight was a week? Oh, shit. I was down, but I was just like, man, that one day I was, I was hurting.

2:00:30But then, you know, my nutritionist, she gave me some vitamin C. I was a nutritionist, my chef. He gave me a whole bunch of oranges and melons and grapefruit, big old bowl. You ain't no meat. This is what you eat all day. I was like, what? It was like, yeah, trust me. And I ate, that's all I ate the whole day. And the next day I felt better. I was like, oh, all right, we, we back to normal. Well, we wasn't all the way back to normal because my cousin didn't let me work out. But yeah, we was good. How many days did you have to take off from that cold? Just, just one and a half. Oh, not that bad.

2:01:12Yeah. So that one day, I didn't do nothing then. The next day, I didn't go to the gym. I didn't work out in the gym. And then a day or so later, yeah, you back in. Well, that's fortunate. That would have sucked that happened a couple days out. Yeah. And then fuck up your way cut, too. Yeah. I would have to find a way. Isn't it crazy, though? When you think about all the things that have to come together so perfectly, peaking in your conditioning, peaking in your physical training, your technical training, everything's got to come together. Everything. But when you, when you, when you've done this for so long, you know, you know, what you got to do to get there, you know, I think I peaked like twice doing this camp.

2:02:07You know, I was working so hard. I was just like, man, I wanted to sew bad. It was like, all right, we got to pull you back. All right. And when they pull you back, like for how long? Just a couple of days, pull you back, you know, because you, you're looking too sharp in the, in the gym, you way, you way above schedule. So we got to pull you back, working too hard, get you some rest. That's such a fascinating aspect of the training because it's just so on field and knowing and just having an understanding of the athlete. Yeah, because you as the fighter, you want to feel good. You want to look sharp.

2:02:46You want to, you know, feel all those things. But your coaches on, on the outside, they're like, okay, we still got like three, four weeks, you know, and he's looking like this at this point in time, when we want him like that at the end till end. So pull him back a little bit. It's just, it's such a dance. It's just like a perfectly orchestrated dance. Yeah, everything has to line up. Have you ever had a fight where you peaked too early? No, never. Not that I know of. I was sorry. Well, listen, Terrence, what you've done is amazing. It's as a person, excuse me, as a person who's a boxing fan, it's beautiful to see.

2:03:33I love watching, like I said, I love excellence. I love when someone is just at the top, the very top of the game of the sport, of everything. And that's you right now, man. So I hope you enjoy it. Congratulations. It's an honor to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm a giant fan, man. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks. Tell everybody social media. I was like, it's up. You can reach me on Twitter, what they call it, X now. I don't know what that is. At Terrence Crawford, and then you can reach me on IG, T -Bug Crawford, or Facebook Terrence Crawford. You're the fucking man, bro.

2:04:17Yes. Thank you very much. Appreciate you being here.