JRE MMA Show #150 with Daniel Cormier

24:27Right. But with him, he was a South ball. So his lead leg was right there. So I wanted to grab a single leg, but this dude would be stepping back kneeing me, kneeing me, kneeing me. And then I'd be like, okay, so I need to stop going forward. So now I'm at range and he blasts body kick and then body kick. So now you're like, shit, I'm not going to stay on the end of these body kicks because they hurt. So then you get close and he needs you. So it's like you're landing and I'm hitting him. But he's hitting me with things that may not be as big, like my hand overhand, right, looks big, but that knee just goes boom right in the rib every time, boom, right in the rib.

25:03And then every non -negative, they catch you right in the middle. That shit hurts, bad man. I don't even know how the hell I was going through all that in that octagon. Because now it hurts. It hurts like it hurts. Alex Pereira kicked my leg. I was like, shit hurts. God dude has the weirdest leg kick. They're so sneaky. My cousin had the girl clever at it. My cousin had the greatest analogy for Pereira. He goes, he is Thanos. Literally just collecting fucking stones. Infinity stones. He's like, he said he goes, I love Marvel. He goes, it was like when Thanos showed up. And he just collecting infinity stones.

25:47There's a timeline. You know there's a bad guy, a bad guy. And then there's this ultimate bad guy who was just in some fucking bar in Brazil. And it is he had to open his mouth.

26:01Right, crazy. If is he just shut the fuck up, he would have stayed where he was. But I mean, it's like a delayed, it's like delayed reaction on the kick. But if is he would have just shut up, this dude would have stayed in Brazil. That dude is so sneaky with that kick. And if you get too close, he's going to punch you. Yeah, well, he's so long and he's also so odd in his strike. His movements. He's like this. He's tall. They're very odd. And he's like, and if you get close, there's the right hand. Even that thing he does when he's walking on, he does this will thing. And he throws his combination.

26:36Yeah, it doesn't look fluid. He's like boom, boom, boom. But you know, like if that dude hits you with that, he's going to sleep. He goes sleep. He really is. He really is in there dancing and shit. He really is like doing all kind of like weird stuff, right? And Alexa's like, just stone face. Stone face. Like I'm going to want the greatest stare downs ever. I'm going to kill you. Is what he's like, this is the dance you're weird ass. I'm going to kill you. Who's the guy that he says or kicks? He says or need Michael. I just oh my god. Oh my goodness. He thought you were lying, bro. I thought you were lying.

27:12The whole time, Joe, I'm sitting here right. I'm like, man, Joe Rogan up in here lying to me. He telling me this dude, this good. He's this, he's, he's, see, I'm telling you, because I'll be honest with you. I had watched him a little bit. I hadn't watched all of his kickboxes. And I was like, I was like, okay, this dude's supposed to be good. Let me watch it a little bit. I don't, it's kickboxing. And you come in and you're like, DC, wait until you see this parrera in real life. And I'm like, okay, he's good DC. Maybe the best kickbox we've ever had. Well, is he's here? You know, like is he's here?

27:45He knocked out is he twice. DC, I'm telling you. Knocked him out once. Or knocked him out once, beat him out decision. And I'm like, the head at that. And then he does that. And I look over and I go, oh my god, you're telling the truth. Dude, he's something fierce. I mean, this is Sean Strickland. Yeah. Right? What a left hook. What a left hook. I mean, the guy who's now the middleweight champion in the world. Yeah, and he took him out easy. A year. Yeah. He was the champion a year. Dude, he's got two world titles and 11 fights in two years. It's insane. He's been in the UFC. Dude, I don't know, Joe, if we had, and he's here in Austin.

28:19So I'm gonna go hang out with him later. Now he's going to see parrera. I like him too. I love that dude. He smiles. Yeah. He actually smiles before he just didn't smile. Now he smiles. I just don't think he wants to smile after fights or before fights. He's going to fight stays cold. He's there for a reason to just beat somebody's ass. Well, he was so extraordinary in kickboxing. When I watched him in kickboxing, just some dudes just have some extra gear, some extra power. It was shocking. He would hit God's boom. And then he just like, just got up and flatline. You're like, what's going on? He's like, man, he's doing it to everybody.

28:54Like literally everybody he's connecting on is going night night. And he doesn't, does it in two different weight classes simultaneously? So he's, I mean, when that guy was gonna fight MMA, I'm like, hold on baby. Yeah. Cause this is going to be some wild shit. And he was three extraordinary dude. And he was three and one when he made his debut on in Madison Square Garden. Yeah. And you knew that if he was able to win a couple, he would rush him to Izzy. Mm -hmm. And he got there and he beat him. And I still now, I don't know how Izzy beat that dude, man. Because he caught him. He caught him. Perfect.

29:29If that fight would have kept going, I don't think Izzy was going to win. He was, he was hurting Izzy bad. That leg was fucked up already. It was done. Yeah. It's crazy how good he is at that. It takes like two or three. He doesn't move his hips. The way he does it is so beautiful because there's no telegraphing at all. He's just moving there and slaps. And you, you got one, two in there, three and you start seeing the welts. You hear he had a big well done. It was the worst. It's like you train a certain way. When I first started fighting, I would train South Paws some because it's your fast hand.

30:05And I went to, and then Kane kicked me in the face and I blew my nose out. I said, I'm never fighting South Paws again. Because I, you don't see stuff as well. It's not natural. So I always stayed conventional. Most do that. But then because you don't train in that off stance, you fight Perera. Next thing you know, he's got your leg beat up. You're switching to South Paws, which is what Yuri did. Yuri's not a South Paws. Yuri doesn't fight South Paws. Now you're fighting in a fight stance that's unfamiliar. Against one of the most dangerous men in the world. How are you supposed to fight? You have a compromised leg.

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32:22He said was fucked up after the first round. They're always on crutches and in wheelchairs. When they're done with him, people don't see this, right? When we're leaving the arena, these guys are either getting wheeled to the post -fight press conference or wheeled to the ambulance because their legs are so jacked up. He tears their legs up. It's bad hair is their legs up. It's bad. And he's just so efficient with it. It's just what a hard style to emulate as a sparring partner. Yeah. Especially since he really still can't wrestle. Right. Think about all the success he's had and he still can't wrestle.

32:56Somebody's taking down, he gets taken down. One is like, he still hasn't developed to the point that a real good wrestler wouldn't try to take down over and over again. But you could never get there because he knocked you out. You know what else is shocking? He's, he's never seen drained at 85. How was he making that weight though? How was he making that weight? And now when he's fighting at 205, he's like, it's seemingly more durable. He looks the same. Yeah. He does not. 20 pounds lighter, he looks the same. He does. He really does look the same. He was when he was fighting. This guy had to be getting up to 215 whenever he was making 85.

33:33I think it was heavier. One of the fights that said it was 226, I believe. 226 in the octagon at 185. Find out what the, whether it was after the fight. Oh my goodness. The day of the fight. Yeah, he went, I mean, that was like what he was walking around at. That's crazy. That's so big. It's not fair, man. It's so crazy. And, you know, that power of the ass. But I think also, I mean, you'd be the best person to ask about this. When you see guys that cut a lot of weight, it seems like it's harder for them to take shots. Yeah. You know, I told that to Davis and figure out all today. I said, remember about the end of the marinal trilogy or a fort fight?

34:11Every time Brandon hit him, it looked like it hurt him. And Davis and was never a guy that had chin problems. But he's going up to 135 now this weekend. And yes, it gets robbed. So it's like, is he going to be more durable? Is he going to be better at taking shots now? Right. Because he was, I mean, TJ Dillishaw, when he went to 125, he was a shell of himself. That was a terrifying weight cut, too. God, he looked like dead man walking. Yeah. He looked like someone who was dying. Do you, did you, what do you think? As a fighter, I actually liked the afternoon weigh in better. I liked the afternoon weigh in a post -it -a -morning weigh in.

34:51Why not? More time and sleep. Sleep. The night before you got to sleep. Because if you woke up at 7 -8 over, you had all day Friday to make the weight. Yeah. On fight. 2019 on fight. Come on. What? It's 25 pounds, bro. That's so big. That's 25 pounds. That's really, that's really nuts. But, but again, that's because they have so much time now. Because if he weighs in at 11 a .m. on Friday morning, now he's got 24 hours. Now he's got, he's in the main event. So this dude is not fighting for probably 35 hours after he steps on the scale. You can gain 25 pounds in 35 hours. I think that's 35 pounds, right?

35:37That's 35 pounds. That's 35 pounds. Yeah. That's 35 pounds. Tants in a dance. Think about that. 35 pounds is insane. I can't believe it. I actually can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, 35 stakes stacked up. And then it takes that out of your body. That's what the, yeah. I mean, it would be up to here. Yeah. 35 stakes. That's insane. That's 16 on stakes. That's insane. That's insane. What do you think, do you think it's possible to ever come to a point where there's no weight class or there's no weight cutting at all? There's more weight classes, more options, but people fight at their natural weight.

36:18You see what, you see one of the problems with that is if there are more belts, then kind of it comes boxing a little bit. And it could be a little watered down because now you got a champion every 10 pounds. So you don't know if you got the best guy as the champ right now. You're pretty sure that the UFC champion is the best fighter in the world anywhere between 135 to 155, 160. You know those guys that weigh that naturally. The guy in UFC is the best fighter in the world. 55 between 55 and 8590. You have the best fighter. And I'm talking light weights. They cut from 185, 180. So to get to 155.

37:01To get to 155. So you know you're getting the best fighter of all men around those weights in that weight class. But if you get a 65, 55, 45, 35, 25, I don't know that it works. I really don't know that it works. That's interesting. I can see your point, but there's some people that are definitely tweeners. Yes, Al Jermain Sterling. Al Jermain Sterling. He is one of them. Yeah. But is he though because he was the champion at 35. But tell yourself to get there. I know, but he still had endurance. And I always felt like if you're going to have an example of weight cutting, I always felt like Al Jermain had the perfect frame for 35.

37:40Yes, he does. Because he's so big and strong and he manages to get there and then he puts it right back on. And then when you see him on fight day, you're like, my God. Like when you see that dude's abs and all that much, he looks like a 160 pound man. You know why? You know why Joe? You know what they've started to do? I think it's the most dangerous thing in the world. But you know what they've started to do. Al Jermain Sterling was one of the first to tell me, but he doesn't cut all of his weight. So with us, we would go on Thursday night, if I weighed 216 and I had to be 205 by Friday morning, I would get as low as I possibly could and then try to go to bed.

38:21So if I'd get to 207, I would hope that by the morning, I'd be 206. I don't have to lose a pound in the morning. So I'm dehydrated for 12, 13, 14 hours. Those guys today are going to bed at that weight, Joe, 10, 11 over and waking up at like four or five in the morning and cutting the weight because they said if they cut all that weight, they don't sleep, which I can attest to. It don't matter how much melatonin you take, it doesn't matter what you do. You're going to wake up because you're so hungry. You're sold to hydrate it. You're not going to get a good night's sleep. They're going to bed heavier, getting up in the morning, sucking all that weight off in there.

38:59The hydrate is going to be like four hours. I think it's dangerous. Why is it dangerous? Because you have to cut 10 pounds in four hours. If you don't, you're screwed. Oh, you think it's dangerous to career wise. I think it's dangerous because you could not make the weight. Because you're not giving yourself any room for anything goes sideways. Right. Because the worst possible feeling is when you go through your entire routine and you expect to lose eight, but you might lose six. Or five and a half. And then you're like, now I got to work out. What's the cause of that? What's the, the, the, the variabilities?

39:36I don't know. Cold room. Did you ever work with a doctor till like, no, I just, the weight cutting. So what I would do is I wrestled, right? My whole life. So what I would do is I would do these test cuts. Because I was very afraid because at the Olympics, my kidneys shut down. So I didn't get to wrestle my second Olympic games. So I was scared. So I would two weeks before the fight or three weeks before the fight when I first started going to 205. I would go on a Saturday and I would just cut some weight. I'd get to 210 to 11. I'd lose nine pounds. Okay. I know if I do this for an hour, I'll lose nine pounds.

40:10The next weekend, do it again. Lose nine pounds. I know so that it became a thing where I knew in the right circumstances, with the right temperature in the room, I could lose nine pounds. As long as it wasn't 65 degrees, I was fine. Anything over 70, as most gyms are, I was getting nine off. So I would, I had this routine. I would get up, get my body water loaded. I would go into the sauna with just my stuff. Put all my sweet sweat on, get sweating after like five minutes. Sweat till 10. Then start putting all my clothes on in the sauna. So I would have my socks, my shoes, my sweats, my t -shirt, my hat, my plastics.

40:54I would put them all on in the same way every time. Plastic pants, sweatpants, socks, shoes, long sleeve t -shirt under the plastics, because I didn't like it against my body. Plastic top, sweat top, hat, gloves, and everything just tucked in. And then I would go right out of there, because that would take me to like 15 minutes in the sauna. I would walk straight to the treadmill, Jill. Then I'm on the treadmill. I run a mile, but only at five, because now my heart rate is, my heart's doing this, because it's hot from the sauna. It's like, then I'm trapping all this heat in. I get out, I'd run for a mile, 12 minutes.

41:30Now I'm at 27 minutes. Then I walk. I walk for 20 minutes on two. If I start, if my heart rate slowed, I would put a little bit of an incline. I'm going to three. Walk for 20 minutes. Now I'm at 47 minutes. I get off for the treadmill, go straight to the ground where he wrapped me for 13 minutes. And then those 13 minutes, I'm hurting, Jill. I'm hurting. I'm laying there. I mean, people are like rubbing me. They're like talking to me, trying to comfort me. But every time I took all this shit off, pool of blood, I'm sorry, pool of water, nine and a half, 10 pounds. And I could tell, based on my sweats.

42:07So I wear gray sweats, these gray Oklahoma state sweats. And if it came up to my calf, mid calf, I knew I got the weight that I wanted. I don't know how. I don't know how that sweat will come up on the sweats. But if it came up to my sweats on my leg, and then up to my mid forearm on my arms, I knew I'd lose the weight that I needed to lose. Wow. So the whole time I was like, yeah, it just kind of starts right here. And then as you're working, it just keeps creeping up your body. And then once you made it, what was the rehydration process like? Well, the best was before you sat on when you could take IV.

42:43Right. That was the best. Why was that better? Joe, it beats your stomach. Like, the problem with rehydrating is it would mess with your stomach. Everything you drink would make your stomach hurt. Everything you ate would make your stomach hurt. So even if you made weight at four, you're not really eating a good meal till six, because you got to get through like the cramps, you got to get through the diarrhea, you got to get through all this stuff that you did. So the IV was the best. Because while you're doing the IV, it's going directly into the blood. All that fluid is going, it's passing this.

43:21It's just going into your body. So while you're doing that, you start to feel better. And I mean, the IV bag, Joe, was like, it was like a straight line. It wasn't the drip. You know, it looks like it drips. Right. My body would just suck that water out of that bag. It was like sucking that water out of that bag. It was a straight line down. How many bags would you take? Two. Wow. Sixteen pounds of IV. Wow. And then they took it away from me. So then we had to start doing another way. And the reason why is because you could use it to mask performance enhancing drugs, you know? Yes, that's what they say.

43:53That's what they say. Why don't they allow it from places that have, maybe there's a way to do a test before you do an IV? Yeah. You know, because like it seems stupid to come off the IV. That's not the IV. The IV works. Yeah, why don't you, what do I want, what if they had like a thing where you had to say, hey, I'm planning on taking an IV? Well, you guys come and test me before I take an IV. They could do that. That should be easy. That should be easy. And then you could get your IV. Well, they're getting tested anyway. Yeah. They get tested constantly. And this new organization, what is it, a drug -free sport?

44:28Is that what's called? I don't know. I actually don't even know what's one of this. There's a new organization, but Dana White speaks very highly of them. So yeah, I just wish they, I wish they would allow guys to use things like BPC157. The peptides, like, yeah, one of my buddies is really being on peptides. He said it's helping him. He said it's helping him a lot. I've never tried them, but it can help you heal. And the guys are constantly injured. They're constantly dealing with pulled this and yanked out. I need help my back. I need something to help my back is just messed up and all. After the surgery?

44:57Oh, the life in wrestling, the surgery after the Derek Lewis fight. You told me you said, dude, you got to do this. And I never got to, I just, I went got a regular back surgery. And I shouldn't have did. I shouldn't have went and did something a little different. Yeah. Back surgery screws you. You're done if your back goes out. Yeah. And fighting. It's over. Can't train the same. No, this has been a few guys that have had discs replaced. Yeah, that's what I did. My back was in now. Did you get it replaced? No, no. With a fake one or did it use it? Just a fuse it. Yeah. My back is just jacked over.

45:30I get so bad. Some days I wake up and I'm like, this is crazy. You ever see Diamond Dallas page? Yeah. You see his yoga program? I heard it's really good. It's really good. You've tried it? I've done a lot of his exercises. Well. And he's developed it specifically for guys that are like coming off of pro wrestling. And their bodies all beat up. Yeah. He's taking a lot of these guys and brought them back to health. Jake the snake robber. I saw Jake the snake robber. It's right as he was starting. He looked bad. And now I see him. I'm like, this dude is rejuvenating. He's a new man. Yeah. He's a new man.

46:02And you know, when Dallas came up with it, he, you know, his back was fucked up. Yeah. His back is like pretty bone on bone. But because it's so strong and he does so much yoga, like he has incredible flexibility. Wow. He can just grab his foot and like do like a stand. Really? Yeah, man. He did it in front of us at the gym. Really? Didn't even warm up. Dude's in his 60s. Diamond Dallas page. Yeah. DDP. I like him too. It was pretty amazing. Yeah. But maybe something like that. If you ever thought about doing that. I needed to do some yoga. Yeah, let's have my hair. Yeah, look at him. That's crazy.

46:39Diamond Dallas page. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the diamond cutter. Look at that. Dude, that's got a suck, right? Like your whole life just falling on the ground. Oh my God. That's terrible. Just dropping yourself backwards. And just flipping through the air. He teaches classes. Look at this. He's teaching NFL players. NFL players doing DDP yoga. He would have never thought that that would work out like that. No. How could you? How could you ever imagine that? You can't. No. Pure luck. Alchemy's story about getting his disreplaced and come back and then defending the title against pure yon. The neck.

47:14That's pretty wild. That was a bad hit. That's a bad. Anytime you start doing stuff with the neck. Oh, yeah. Kevin Jackson was an Olympic gold medalist. And when his neck went, he couldn't beat the best young guys because it's too damaging, right? You're getting punched and you're getting your head pulled down. Everything you do, you got to have strength in your neck. Yeah. He never could. He never could do it. But for Aljo to not only come back from the surgery, but beat the guy that was, he was, he was dog walking Aljo. That's that first fight. He was kicking his ass. And he came back against that same guy and beat him and did it in a way that for as much as people say, because people just don't like Aljemy, right?

48:01Because he fell and the way that the fight ended, he won that second fight. He dominated it in the second round. And he won three rounds at that fight. Right. It's that simple, but he's an impressive athlete, but he's not a dude that kind of, he doesn't really get people to really come to support him. It's very weird. I think it's because of the way he won the title by disqualification. People hate that. They said he fell down and they, he got fouled. It was a bad one too. It was a bad one. It was a knee to the face on the ground. It's a foul. It was a foul. It was a foul. Clear foul. But is he supposed to get up?

48:40Like that's the thing, right? It depends if he's can cost. If he's can cost, he shouldn't get up. Anthony Smith. Yeah. Anthony Smith. Yeah, he could have been a champ. Okay. So do you get up or do you kind of go, man? Is it? Yeah. Well, it's just going sideways right now because he was down four rounds of zero. Anthony Smith was sitting there and I don't know him. I know him, but I don't know what was in his mind. But there had to be a moment in there.

49:13Right. Where Anthony went. Diego Sanchez did it. Remember Diego did it in 10th and the angle did it in Phoenix. He was losing to one of the Brazilian guys and he got fouled. Diego's in a ground like 29, 28. He's winning. Yep. I'm out. Diego's like, I'm out. Take my dove. I'm good. Anthony Smith. And if he stays down, right Joe? He wins the belt. He fights Jones again. Now he's on the pay -per -view portion of it gets paid more money. Even if he loses that belt, he got paid pay -per -view as the champ. Otherwise you get told you're a beast for standing up, right? But then you lose. The UFC moved on.

50:01John Jones just fought somebody else. He could have guaranteed himself another fight. It might seem coward, but what's the right way? What's the right way to do that? Because Al Jermaine did what he did. If Al Jermaine just gets up and continues, he wouldn't have got to rematch. He wouldn't have defended that belt three times. He wouldn't have fought O'Malley as the champ. He wouldn't have fought Sahuro. He wouldn't have fought Piorriana. And he wouldn't have fought TJ Dillishaw. He would have gotten none of that if he got up. So while he might have gotten people to dislike him, he still lived as the champion, made a boatload of money, and he will always be remembered now as one of the better randomly champs in the world.

50:41And it's hard to compare fouls, right? Because you don't really know how to... Only Anthony Smith knows how he felt. Yep. And only Al Jermaine knows how he felt. You can't... It's hard because, you know, like every punch or every knee, they don't have the same impact on a person. The one that hit Al Jermaine was devastating. And we're in the apex. We're in the apex. Do you quiet? See if you can find that. We were in the apex. It was real quiet. Yeah, play this.

51:16Ah, yeah, that was me, bro. That was so bad. That was so bad. That's so bad. And it took the tempo. Yeah. Oh my God. That's nasty. Yeah. It is that illegal. It's a no brainer in terms of Al Jermaine's going to be upset. Oh my God. Yeah, it's nasty. That's a bad one. So bad knee. You can't expect a guy that probably got a cuss. Look at that. Look at Anthony Smith. Let me see Anthony. Anthony's got one hand down. Yeah, he's still with his team. Well, it's just a hand, but I mean, you know, he's got a whole lot of hands on it. Look, now to join me under the new rules. Wouldn't that be up? No, no, no.

52:02Any weight bearing, weight bearing is down. Weight bearing is down, but touching is not enough. Touching is not enough. Playing the game is not enough. Right? Like down, up, down, up, down, up. But weight bearing is down. And that was definitely weight bearing. That's weight bearing. Yeah. And watch, go back. And I want you to pause. Not yet. Not yet. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. When it gets to Anthony's face and pause, that's when Anthony was like, you know what, man, if I, if I just sit here and I don't do this no more, there's a possibility for me to get all this money and come back as the champ and then this pride got in the way.

52:42And he got up there. He finished the fight. He was down three rounds to one at that time. And he fought and I thought it was a mistake because he took a league with me, but whatever, you know, it is what it is. But I think when you look at these, and he got, you know, Jones got deducted a point and still won the fight comfortably. That's how much he was ahead. Yeah. So two points. He got a two point deduction. Boom. And still one. Yeah. Crazy stuff, man. Yeah. There's certain deductions like when you, like who knows what kind of an impact that had. Yeah. Did he have a concussion? Is he too, too tough for his own good?

53:24If you get a concussion from an illegal shot, what are you supposed to do? Because now you're really vulnerable. That's the thing. You can get hit and you can get KO'd easier. What's the, what's the right answer? You already looped me. You know what's crazy is like, I say this, but I never was on the receiving end of a bad, of a bad fall. I probably would have just kept fighting. I mean, Steve, they poke me in the third fight and I just kept fighting, right? It's like, I probably would have kept fighting. I probably would have did the same thing, which is crazy because it's what fighters do. It's what they do.

53:55It's got to clearly depend on how bad the shot is though. Because if you get fouled and knocked unconscious and then you come back, you're just going to get knocked out. Yeah. If you get knocked out, that's what boxing, right? People always kind of scoff at me when I say boxing is more dangerous than MMA. Oh, how could you say that when they're only boxing and they're using their hands and they jump on you and they hit you on the ground when you fall? I said, I will argue with you that that's safer than you knocking me up. Bang. My body, which has been trained my whole life to get up, gets up, they count to eight or nine and they say go back and fight more.

54:37When I'm still concussed, you have hit me so hard that you have knocked me down to the ground, right? I get up and then you continue to punch me in the head until one, I either fall down again and go to sleep completely. Are we get to the end of the round where you come back and you punch me in the head again in MMA when you get knocked out or kicked in the head or whatever the case may be. The guy jumps on you, boom, boom, fights over. Fight's over. I don't have that recovery time to where I think my brain is okay. I go fight more and then I get destroyed more. I think boxing is a much more brutal sport and I love boxing than mixed martial arts because of that.

55:21Because of that 10 second count to kind of clear the cobwebs or at least think you're clearing the cobwebs and then go out there and get fight and fight again. Think about it. How fast? In that 10 seconds in most MMA fights when someone gets hurt to the point that they fall, that fights over. Two seconds, three seconds. The guy jumps on them. If me and Steve A .M. E .O .T. were fighting, right? I knock him down and then I hit him with the two follow shots to end the fight. I would like to see how long that sequence took because if Steve A .M. E .O .T. was fighting and I did that to him in boxing for as bad as he was, he would get up and I would get to hit him again.

56:01Just like, my knock down on Steve A .M. E .O .T. was no worse than when the ante wilder dropped Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury looked like a dead man walking but because he's so tough, he sat himself up, got up and continued to fight. That was one of the craziest recoveries ever. How? How? How? 12th round. You look like you're out cold. He was dead. He was outboxed him for the rest of the round. How? But again, in MMA, fight probably would have been over and he would have took less damage. Right, but isn't that a better argument for letting him get up? It was Tyson Fury got up and then figured out how to beat the ante wilder or the second fight.

56:39Yes, but he was figured it out and was able to beat him as they went on. But in that fight on that night, all he would have taken was for Wilder to land one more but in boxing again, you get to hold, you get to pull in tight, there's a few seconds. But very rarely do we see it happen like it happened for Tyson Fury. Right. We see it on the other side of the spectrum when they get up and they get flat line. Yeah. They get those happen. They're because they're so good. The boxers are so good at finding that shot. MMA guys, we hurt you, we go running, we start throwing wide punches, loopy, then boxing dudes are like, and they go find you chaining and you're like, just out cold.

57:18Telling you man, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I should be the commission, bro. We haven't talked that much about Francis. Okay. Tyson Fury. Yeah. Because how shocking was that? That was crazy, it was the craziest thing. And guess what else, you know why? Why? Because the ante wilder almost killed him. He got up and he took more damage and his brain might be able. Tyson Fury has been hit by some of the most dangerous dudes in the world. Yes. And now you're getting hit by Francis, who might hit harder than any of them. He might hit harder than all of them. Dude, Francis and Ghanu, not Tyson Fury down.

57:55And he's an amateur, bro. This is his first ever professional fight. That's what's so crazy. That, you know, it was so beautiful about that. He actually counted him perfect. Yeah. He had his right hand up and he hit him with the little check left hook. It was one of the most, I mean, shocking is an understatement. But Francis, look at that. His technique was beautiful. And that's Francis' off hand. That's not even his right hand. Crazy. Well, what does that say about boxing, though, Joe? I mean, that the Lineal Heavyweight Champion in the world. And the... The Lineal UFC Heavyweight Champion. Yes.

58:33But the Lineal Heavyweight Champion in boxing, and just a boxing match was able to... Francis was able to compete with him as an amateur. Zero, zero. Zero, zero. He's an amateur. What does that say about boxing? I think it says more about Francis. I think Francis is just a special... You don't think nobody else could do that? I don't imagine it. No, I don't think so. I don't imagine it. I think Francis is just a special dude. But we did see Conor Fight Floyd. That's true. Right? We did true. I mean, could Sean O'Malley fight Devin Haney? Yes. Right? Like you said he could. Right? It's just like...

59:13Something like that can happen. Yeah. But that was surprising. That was surprising. I thought Tyson was gonna beat him up a little bit. I really did believe Tyson Fear was gonna beat him up. I could see Sean Strickland in a high -level boxing match. Sean Strickland was pretty good. Did you see Sean Strickland with that gun the other day? No crazy, I see. Dude. We were saying that Conor brought that dude to Sean Strickland. I mean, Sean's dude apparently beat up a woman and then drove drunk, crashed his car, abandoned his car, and was hiding in Sean Strickland's driveway. Of all the driveways to get stuck in?

59:47It's perfect. You end up Sean Strickland's driveway. And Sean's like pushing him down. Sean's like... Look at this guy. He's trying to... And he's texting. Yeah, he's hiding in text. I think he's calling an Uber. Oh my gosh. This guy on walks out there. Oregon's in his ripped...

1:00:08I wonder what the guy was like... I wonder what he was thinking. Who is this guy with the gun? He shredded the fucking wheel of his car. He was beating up a woman and ended up in Sean's driveway. That's unfortunate. That is unfortunate. The wrestling dude, remember the wrestling dude that was on crack and tried to break in the Anthony Smith's house? Oh yeah. Anthony Smith just beat the shit out of him.

1:00:38So crazy. It's so crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, some people make some unfortunate decisions. They just make mistakes. We're watching a video the other day of a guy trying to break into a gun store. Why would you break into a gun store? That's just idiotic. He's trying to rob a gun store. He's got two pistols. He leaves it to the gun store like this and they just gun him down. They killed it instantly. He's an idiot. Why would you rob a gun store? It's drug store. It has to be drugs. You gotta be on some sort of drug or like not like in your right mind. They wanted more guns and they thought this is the way to get guns.

1:01:14Go rob the gun store. Yeah, that's absurd. You won't hoard it. They're thinking well. No, they're not. They're probably on drugs themselves. They got one. This is it. Watch this. These guys come in. They hold guns out of us. That makes no sense. Boom. Oh, he's done. That was fast. Yeah. He's done. Oh, look at this dude. Yeah, that dude's trying to. That is crazy. That dude's trying to. He walked in. Yeah. He walked in with a gun to try to rob a gun store. Yeah, this is crazy. So the guy's walking. He hears it. Draws. Boom. Yeah, the guy behind the guy behind the the the counter here. The old man with the good with the gray hair.

1:01:59He immediately reached for his peace. And he. Yeah. He hit him hard. He hit him right where he had to hit him. Look at the guy just fall backwards. He didn't shoot him in the leg. He didn't shoot him. Yeah, that's bad, man. Some people out there making some stupid decisions. I mean, why would you do that? Why would you do that? I saw a video today on Twitter. Because I was in the middle. I was in this fight of meeting. And I don't know. They were just kind of having the conversation. Like they were done talking about the fight. So I kind of got on my phone. I start playing on Twitter. And I was watching it.

1:02:31Another website I watch. It's called Morbid Knowledge. Oh, dude. What is this one? Bro, Morbid Knowledge. It's crazy. I'm fucked up, Joe. Like I get bored. I just popped up on my Twitter. And there were two airplanes. They were. These people were like jumping out of the plane. The planes crashed. You can hear somebody go, oh no. And then they fall off the, uh, off the, uh, wing. But they're all wearing parachutes. Because they were going to go and jump. But I mean, these two planes came together. And then here and a person go, oh no. It was crazy. But Morbid Knowledge is nuts. It's like, it says like, it'll show like an x -ray of a person that might have gotten into a bad accident or something.

1:03:15It showed a picture one time, Joe, of a person whose body. They x -rayed the body when they had been hit by a train. Oh, dude. It was crazy. The rib cage and everything, Joe, was, it was crazy. I don't know where it popped up on my thing. But once I saw it, I was like, oh my, dude, they got a guy. They had a guy back in like the 30s. Bro, he was a big cat hunter. That was a bad son of a gun. And he was hunting with those old school guns. You know those old school guns, right? They had a dude. This dude, they had like a fucking lion or a cheetah was just killing people in this village in Africa or in England.

1:03:53I mean, they were killing, it was killing. It was a man -eater. It's called the man -eater of something. So this guy would hunt. They brought this old dude from Europe down there to track this animal. This dude tracked this animal between three different like cities in this area and finally got that son of a gun. Because he shot it and it was trying to attack him to kill him. He was running out of, but it sounded like a movie. But it had his whole story, morbid knowledge. I'm telling you, go listen to it. Like, look at it. Some of it's kind of gross. But some of it's like pretty intriguing. Isn't that one that what that movie was based on the ghost and the darkness?

1:04:28Oh my god, did you see that? That's a crazy movie. What a crazy movie, man. There's nothing scared than lions hunting people. Oh my god. Just a lion waiting. I can't, I can't. I watch him even if they're a little bit like corny because of like, oh, this is crazy. That's where it's called. Yeah. That's the exact movie. It's based on it. Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas, right? Yeah. It's based on that guy's story. Yeah. But dude, like you watch like these, like, there's some of these sites, like, like that other one that I said, nature's metal. It'll show an eagle just floating. And it'll just fucking swoop down and grab some shit.

1:05:05And it don't matter what it is. If that eagle decides that it wants to eat that thing, it's going to take it. Dog, pig, squirrel, and it just rips it apart. Eagles are like so sick in terms of an animal. They fly above you. They decide what they're going to take and they just take it. They pull salmon out of the river. They pull salmon out of the river. How do they fly? They see this reflection. Catched a little body. And then just pull them up. Yeah. And they just rip you apart. It's a weird animal to have as our national animal. It's because it's a ruthless, right? It's a ruthless, it's a killer.

1:05:43It's a killer. When it looks majestic. Oh, it does. Oh, it looks so good. I'm like, dude, but it fucks you up. Have you ever seen harpy eagles? No, what is that? Harpy eagles are living South America. And they eat sloths and monkeys. Really? They're fucking giant. They're big. They're huge. So we can find them. What is it called? I think it's called the harpy eagle. My saying it wrong. It is, right? It's giant, white looking eagle that there's all these videos of them swooping down and snatching these sloths. Because these poor sloths, they can't fucking look at this thing. Look at his face. He's got crazy feathers on his head.

1:06:23Look at those talons. Yeah. See if there's any. Yeah, that's what they look like. God, that thing's huge. See if there's any footage of them snatching somebody. Yeah, oh, there it is. Because that's all they do. Look at this lot. They swoop in and snatch sloths. Oh, my God. What a fucking mismatch. It's called death from above. I was trying to find a video. I did a song video on Twitter about eagle carrying a squirrel and it drops it and it swoops down and catches it before it falls. In the air before it fell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was six. I can't. Dude, I'm telling you.

1:06:57I watch crazy. I watch stuff like that because I mean, you know, when you're just sitting around and, you know, when you finally get a moment, right? And you grab your phone, some weird shit pops up there and then you're just stuck. Yeah. And next thing you know, you've passed 30 minutes watching just crazy ass video watching eagle videos, eagle videos, lions. Like, have you ever seen the videos that the Eagles taking the sheep and throwing them off the cliffs? No. Throw them off the cliff to kill them and they go to you. Yeah, they take the goats. Please show me that. They take goats. They take sheep.

1:07:26They can pick up a goat. Yeah, they just pick you up enough to throw you over the edge. Oh, my goodness. Please show me that. I want to see if it's bad. It's, it's roots. Oh, there you go. They do ruthless shit. I mean, the grab them and throw them off the cliff. I mean, how much thinking does that involve? That's, that's one of the things that I was about animals, right? There's a get them. Look at this. Oh, my gosh. Drag them down and then he's carrying this one. Oh, wow. God, that's so strong. That's insane. That's so strong. That's insane. You're running. These goats are running because they know like, hey, death is coming from above.

1:08:06He flew with that baby goat. Can you believe that? Do you have any Zach? That eagle probably only weighs like 10 pounds. No, I know. How much do they weigh? I don't think they weigh much, man. Look at this. Just jacks this goat. Like, come here, bitch. Look how much bigger the goat is than him. Oh, I had goats down. They just dragging them down the hill. Wait, look at the other one. Try to help. Yeah, and that nuts. Oh, yeah. But look at the ride he's on. He won't let go. He's like surfing. But even that, right? Like when I see these animals on the side of the hill, I know you hunt. All he's done.

1:08:40He then crashed them into them. Also, how's that eagle not fucked up? The eagle doesn't even have a broken wing. Look, he's still on. I mean, the fuck do you want to go? Geez. I'm gonna get you, bitch. I mean, this is like the wildest bull riding ever. This is crazy. I mean, but that, whatever it is, under him is going crazy. He flipped and turned it. He hit that. He's just bouncing off the rocks and he won't let go. I think they go in this one. No way. Look, he got away from him. That eagle's jacked. That eagle's dead. That eagle's fucked up. That eagle's dead. Is that the end of it? Oh, yeah.

1:09:13That eagle's dead. Wow. Yeah, he took on the wrong challenge. He fucked up. I bet he's done it before, though. He's done it before. It's not like the first time you go. You don't make that type of mistake unless you've done it before, it's worked. Yeah, that looks like a lot of broken bones. A lot of broken bones for that eagle. Eight. Oh, man. We're so lucky we don't live in that world. In that world. This eagle almost takes a little girl. Oh, I've seen that before. Oh, my goodness. No, that's crazy. It tried to take the kid. Yeah, yeah. So what happened? Someone comes to help. I mean, he looks like it was his eagle because he's got the falconers.

1:09:47Yeah, he just like that. Oh. The eagle tried to take the kid. Oh, my god. Imagine that kid's fucking horror. Where is this though? Oh, the kid's bleeding. Is it curved? Curgus damn. Oh, Jesus. Oh, yeah, he's the problem. He's the kid. He's the kid together. That's the problem. That's the tough people over there, man. That's the tough people, man. How crazy has it been watching all these dudes from Dagestan? Oh, my god. Just invade and man. I knew it. I knew it because in wrestling, they've been around. So I was like, when I, when I was about to start fighting it, when I started fighting I said, man, when these Russian dudes from these regions start to come, it's going to be a problem because you know how good they were as wrestlers, right?

1:10:35What's going to happen when these guys come into fighting? Right. And it's the same thing. You know, we were talking in the back of Alexander Correllen. I looked at that picture and I go, eight, that was a bad dude. Just a monster. Monster. A monster. Monster. And there have been a many of them. Polvossarsity of all these great Russian athletes that are just crazy. There was one guy that beat me the Olympics in my finals. His name is Hazy Murat Gutsalov. We're lucky that son of a bitch didn't fight because he would have beat everybody. And John Jones included everyone of them would have got the ass up by that dude.

1:11:09He was good, bro. He was, he wrestled me at the Olympic Games and he beat all of us though. He beat me. He beat Kels Anderson. He beat Kelsnider. He beat all the best Americans for a long time. He wrestled from my Olympic cycle all the way to Kelsnider who won the 2020 Olympic Games. That guy beat him. This dude was so fast. He was so good. I brought him in to train with me for John Jones. My strength coach told me he would try to break him. He said, Daniel, I would try to break this guy. He goes, I would give him all of my workouts. He goes, and then I would add just to try to see how far he would go.

1:11:55He said, no matter what I did, he never stopped. He never got tired and he goes, he always wanted to do more. He never questioned anything. And that dude, that's why to do is like a six time world champion, Olympic champion, everything. He was the best man. And we're just lucky he didn't fight because all of us would have no accomplishments. You can keep it in here with us, dude. His name is Gutsalov. G -A -T -S -A -L -O -V. He was good, man. He was so fast. He was so strong, his motion, his movement. These dudes were, I knew that if guys like that started fighting, they would be a problem. And that's exactly what they've become.

1:12:33I mean, look at him. This is the guy right here. It's him. We were training. This dude would just hit me with all kinds of stuff. I actually, like, I mean, we're sweating too. He just never stopped, bro. The guy was just tremendous in everything he did. So I would have to set my mind every day going into the room, like I was about to rustle and look at games because I knew how hard it would be to try to go with this cat. Then he would be beating on these dudes in MMA. He take against the wall, like, it was impossible to take him down.

1:13:09And we, but look at this, Joe. Everybody would just watch. Dude, taking me down. I got the UFC cameras. I'm like, you'll cut that, cut that. I'm like, cut it, cut it. I'm gonna do some wild scrambles when you got him. I got one, but that was like, that's probably the only one I got for a month.

1:13:31And then at times, I thought he might be letting me, I'm like, yo, are you letting me score, man? Because I wrestled you in competition. I ain't never scored. But I mean, he was just too good, Joe. I mean, he beat me in Olympics in my finals. He beat everybody. Did you ever talk to him about his interest in MMA? I asked him. He was like, I don't really want, I want to wrestle. And now he's the head of the Russian wrestling federation. He's the coach now. So I said, dude, sometimes I'm embarrassed to say somebody should I do. But my kids on my wrestling team, this team now has all my youth club kids.

1:14:13They all wrestled for me in middle school. When they were seventh and eighth grade, they were doing their home school year. So reclassifying is a big thing in sports now, where if you and I are supposed to graduate 1998, we will reclassify to graduate 99. Bro, I took those kids when they were in seventh and eighth grade and I sent them the daggistan for a month. Whoa. They took all of their schoolwork and they went to daggistan and Moscow for a month. Wow. Like eight or nine kids with two parents. Wow. I sent them to Russia, bro. That's crazy. The fact that their parents actually listened to me is crazy because they're like, yo, you're out of your mind.

1:14:56We're not sending our 13 year old kids to Russia. They sent them, bro. We put them in some big jackets and I said, hey, I know if we want to be the best, they got to be by these guys. And so we sent them and Kabim had them in his gym every day. Wow. He bought it and how big is a great guy, right? He bought hotels for him. He feed them. He said, just get him here and dude, they trained for a month. They told me they said coach, we practice with you. He goes in daggistan. It's training because it's in the morning. It's in the midday and it's in the evening. You're training all day long practices.

1:15:36He said these kids told me, joe, that they do about 30 minutes of gymnastics before they start practice. Gymnastics for the flexibility and body discipline and body control and everything. So they're flipping and doing all kinds of stuff before they ever got to wrestling. They're working, they're operating at a different level. That's why you see Mahatchev like being who he is. Mahatchev is crazy. The way he adjusted the Volkanovsky in the second fight was pretty special. Yeah. Like the use of that left leg left leg left kick left kick. The way he set that up, man, it all the possible endings to that fight that you could have seen.

1:16:20Never thought that. Never thought like Kau. Crazy. And we thought when we saw her be, right, that was about that was the complete version of a Russian fighter. They see Islam and he possesses all those same skills with the striking. With the striking. So what about the next one? What about the next one? Because there's going to be another one. What about the next guy? Right. Right? They're just getting better and better. Now that they know that these guys from that region are like, if you're a kid and you're growing up in that region, now you know, oh, I can fall that same path. I can do MMA. It does not just be wrestling or they do a sombal.

1:17:01Yeah. Which is as perfect a base for mixed martial arts as you could find. Yeah. Because they're punching and kicking each other and stuff already and grappling and doing everything. It's a very good base. It's a little weird that they're wearing a jacket. They're wearing the geek. Yeah, they're going to geek top shorts, but it's like shoes. At least they're some of you. You and I agree. Wrestling is the foundation. Yes. Because of the training in everything else. But in terms of what closes with the kind of striking or at least the plane of the striking ensemble, that's as good in terms of preparing you for mixed martial arts.

1:17:39Yes. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's awesome. I got that little ranch you go on about wrestling. That plays daily in my school. Oh, really? Yeah. That they love that. The kids love that. Because that's the truth. It's the truth. If you want to build a strong foundation, even just as a human being, wrestling is where you figure out how tough you are, how much you can push, how much you can deal with discomfort. No one trains harder than wrestling. I think everybody should wrestle. And I think everybody should have some sort of fight in their life. One, some sort of fight. It could be in a gym, a sparring match.

1:18:13I'm talking a fight. It could be sparring. I think every human being, if they do themselves justice, has some sort of interaction that gets another human being, where it's a bit of a fight. Yeah, I have to. I think once you do that, you can do anything. Because then you're not afraid. You cannot be afraid, man. That's like my biggest thing to my kids is like, you cannot be afraid. Because people smell that shit on you. If you're afraid, people smell that shit on you and they treat you a certain way. You cannot be afraid. I think everybody should have at least one sort of fight. Whether it's sparring, whether it's an exhibition fight, whether it's a high intensity Jiu Jitsu match, whether it's a high intensity wrestling match, I think you should have some sort of competition in your life that pits you against another individual.

1:19:03I think we all need it. Imagine if we had that as like mandatory service in the country. Could you imagine? We'd be stronger as a country. But imagine if like, you know how Xi Jinping is trying to make Russia or excuse me China more manly. What's he doing? No, I don't know. They're like they're trying to promote more manliness in China. If someone tried to do that in America and they said, well, the way we're going to implement this is we're going to have mandatory combat sports participation. At some point in your life. At some point in your life, you do that. Could you imagine if they did that?

1:19:36It, hey, I'm telling you, we'd be better forward. I think we would. We would be better for it. I think we would. Because then let's see this. Two years ago, the country's sensors began to blur earnings and colored hair on male celebrities. Oh, earrings, sorry. Earrings and colored hair on male celebrities appearing on television. Earlier this year, the education ministry announced a plan to cultivate masculinity in school boys, including hiring more gym teachers and promoting sports. But it says after America, right? Afso -America must be trying to, it's China's turn to worry about masculinity.

1:20:12So they're saying that our country is right? Click on that. What is that saying? A strange thing to say. After America, right? If you followed the disastrous denouement of America's two -decade occupation in Afghanistan, is that the word? Did I say that word right? No idea with that word. Have you wondered why the world's only superpower has an affliction for distant wars? Why is it, what is it that compels it to drag its military halfway across the world? What is the origin of its interventionalist instincts? Oh, what does it say in here? Reading a lot into this. But it's saying that it's saying, look, in a scheme of things.

1:20:58Okay, here it is. It's about Roosevelt. In Roosevelt scheme of things, imperialism was a necessary manly duty that American men needed to take up or risk letting the reins of global power be seized by a more manful race. Sickly and as a man in his childhood, Roosevelt had continued to endure attacks on his manliness into his youth as he started out in politics with newspapers lampooning his high -pitched voice and dandy clothes. Oh, yeah, dandy clothes. For the exquisite Mr. Roosevelt, forceful public exhaustions to wage foreign wars was an exercise in radical image makeover. Oh, interesting. So they were saying they were picking on his manliness so he decided to go wage wars.

1:21:44Yes. They bullied him. They bullied him, right? But you know what stopped bullying? You know what stopped bullying? You know and how to defend yourself, right? And that's why, I mean, the Chinese, they said they're not showing colored hair or earrings anymore. But if we are all forced to wrestle or do jujitsu or do boxing, at least early in our lives, you develop that foundation for strength, you develop that foundation for standing up for yourself, you develop the foundation for not just accepting things that shouldn't happen. It really is, I think everybody should have it, man. I think it's so good for you to have that experience where you stare across from another human being and you know that it will be on you with no weapons to go out and win, whether it's pinning them, whether it's submitting them, whether in a box, and it's like out pointing them in a box and fight, I think that we should all have some sort of competition with another human being.

1:22:50I think it was really good for me. I think it's real good for a lot of people. I don't want to say that everybody should do it, but think about it. Most people should. Where would it hurt? Where would it hurt? Tell me what it would hurt for someone to do a jujitsu match or a wrestling match. Or a boxing injured. I'm talking you do it, young no. Yeah. If you wait until you're like my age, and then oh, maybe we get hurt. But young, if we all, like if you're an elementary school, it's like, okay, for a month you got to do wrestling. I think that's that was one of the, that was one of the things in school.

1:23:26Most schools don't even have wrestling anymore. Is that true? Yeah, a lot of kids, like they're moved like a lot of teams, they don't have teams. Let's have jujitsu in schools. Let's have these things in school. I think I've said this many times. I think that would stop bullying. I think we put these in schools and just give these kids a month. Let me say wouldn't stop bullying. I think it would significantly reduce episodes of bullying. And I think if we did jujitsu in those sports in school, even for young girls, they're safer. Yes. Right? Which role? Understand how to defend themselves. I think it's so important.

1:24:03100%. Yeah. Yes. Everyone should know something about that. Everybody should know something about combat. Because you're not always going to have the ability to get to something to help you. Exactly. You got to be able to do it with your hands and with your feet and everything else. And it's just a better thing to have and not need than to need and not have. Yes. Could you imagine, like, could you imagine not having, so I walk around the world unafraid. How comforting is that? To be able to know that no security, no anything. If push came to shove, you could at least defend yourself enough to be safe and your family.

1:24:38You could take care of them enough to be safe because of the skills that you would take over the course of your life. That's comforting. Yeah. To be able to walk around the world like that. You watch those Instagram videos, the same ones I watch, dudes who have no idea what the fuck they're doing. They get this crazy brawl. Dude, it's crazy. They have no skill at all. They hurt themselves. They hurt themselves. Swinging wild at each other and you're like, my god, if someone knew how to fight, you would be so fucked right now. Yeah, you're done. And every now and then you find one where someone does know how to fight.

1:25:04And they get hurt back. Two dudes tangling outside of a bar on a security camera. And this one dude just got up and kept fucking with this guy. And this guy just starts, dink, dink, dink, dink. He grabs him, uppercuts him, drops him. Yeah, it's over. Yeah, I mean, he beat the fuck out of this dude and he knew what he was doing. The average guy. The average guy can't fight. No, the average guy can't fight. They can't fight. They really can. Which is crazy. I saw one dude unleash a headkint on a dude outside of a bar one time. That was bad. Landed. Landed. What does that clean out backwards? Oh my god.

1:25:36I swear it was crazy. Was it a good kick? It was a beautiful kick. It was so he was good. The guy was good. The guy was like, stop. I don't want to fight. It calm down. It's all good, man. It's not a problem to do that. He's like, come on man. Stop, stop. Do kind of swung at him. Do takes a step. He kind of go bang. Headkick. Do went forward. I was like, we went forward. It's over. He's really out. When they go forward, they're really out. So many guys die like that. He went forward. So many guys die. They hurt them. They get hurt. Yeah. They're banging their head off the concrete. He went forward.

1:26:09Everybody started panicking around him too. Like, oh my god. That's why you can't mess with people, man. You should never mess with people. I don't mess with nobody, Joe. No. I literally just walk around trying to live in my own world, man. I'm happy. I hope you're happy. Like, let's just all just live in this. Yeah, it's not reality. People tell me it's not reality. The world you live in. I'm like, well, it's better than trying to live in the world that's just awful. Yeah. Well, you have some effect on the people around you, for sure. Yeah. And if you live life happy, you have a better effect on the people you run into.

1:26:41But there's a reality that you could always run into the wrong people. Yeah, for sure. That's real. They're just bad people. They got bad people. Like, some people are bad people, man. Yeah. I'm like, oh, you're a bad person. Historically, that's always been the case. Yeah. There's always historically been bad people. Just evil mugs, too. Well, people that have been mostly, it's people that have been fucked over themselves. Yes. Mostly, it's kids that were raised by horrible people and horrible environments. And they become that. That's most of it. I watched, I don't know how many people come out of the womb bad.

1:27:12No, no, no, no, no. You're, you're, you're, you're formed. You're formed. I watched those, I was watching one on a 2020 the other day. Doing, I'm old now because I'm like watching 2020. I used to get so mad at my mom. I get to see you on TV still. Yeah, dude, it's on TV. There in season 45, at least. Do you watch TV? Oh, I watch like a little Netflix every now and then. Yeah. HBO or something like that. No, I love TV TV. Like with commercials. I want to watch a commercial.

1:27:47You're so crazy. I'm like, it's a stalled you guy where I'm like, really? You remember when it was a time whenever we could not fast forward the commercial? I remember it all. I remember, I got a Tivo. Yes. Remember Tivo as I do. And you could pause to get a positive is crazy. You could pause your TV. Mind blown. And then they started implementing it into direct TV. We could just pause the feed. Yeah, pause it right now. Right now. Go to the kitchen, pause. Come back. I'm gonna take a leak. Pause. Like unreal. Yeah, you don't have to run back in what happened. I want to watch a commercial and commercials work on me too.

1:28:17Seriously. I like the guy that I've bisoned off of commercials. I'm like, you know, I got to see this because I'm like, oh my god, this is real. But I'm watching 2020 on TV because I want to watch. I thought it fast forward some. But I watch one called the dating game killer, bro. The dating game killer. I heard about this one. Dude was a serial killer back in the 70s. And he was on the dating game. He was on how that's a bad person knowing he's got that many bodies out there. And he's on national television. How many people had he killed before he got on the. Bro, he killed a number. He killed a woman way back.

1:28:57Dude, could you imagine I growing up back like being an adult in the 60s and 70s. Nuts. There is no internet. There is no cell phones. Women that were out there in the world were at risk for serial killers because you couldn't track them. This woman and her husband or boyfriend had went up to like Montana. The boyfriend got mad at her. Left her. Just left her. This guy picks her up. Kills her. They don't find her till like 2000. And she was when they found her, they found that she was pregnant at the time. He killed her and he killed a number of other ones. And then he went on the dating game show.

1:29:34He was a bad guy. And then you can find that video. Bro, the guy on the dating game. The dating game killer is what he was called. I remember you look at where he was. He looks scary too, didn't he? And then bro, he, they call, look at him. Look at him. They caught him because he was trying to take a little girl from a school. Hey, Joe. And when they caught that, when they finally got this dude at the end, Joe, they met him in jail because he had been rotten in jail for years. Look at all these women. He got, look at all these women he got. He was just a bad guy. Can Jamie, can you go back to him talking?

1:30:14Can I hear him talking? This is the inside edition report. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Can you see if he's really good? She picked him, Joe. I'm called the banana. And I look really good.

1:30:33Joe, imagine people were laughing at that back then. Can you believe that? I'm called the banana. I'm called the banana. Like, somebody she don't see was really good. Hey, man. Everyone's like, oh, he said the banana. That gal was going to get killed by this guy. But when they set them up on the date, she goes, he's very creepy. I don't like him. They said when they went to see this dude, and he's on his, like, he's dying in jail, and they start bringing up these women that they had found. They said it was almost like he was going to a place of euphoria. Because even though he was like on his deathbed, and he couldn't move, he was thinking back to those times.

1:31:15That's a bad guy. Oh my God. He was like, he's like on the thing, like, like, like, literally, like, losing his mind because he's thinking of killing this woman, or like doing what he was doing to these ladies. It's nuts, bro. That's a bad guy. They let him act as his own attorney in his third trial, and he self -examined himself for four or five hours. Oh my God. Yeah. Through 2020. I'm telling you, you're allowed to do that. I mean, they probably, that's this might be one of the last times. I don't know. Are you allowed to do, like, whatever you want? If you're fucking, if you're out of your fucking mind, and you're out of your mind.

1:31:54What? You're going to be your own attorney. You don't fuck. I remember there was a guy that killed a bunch of people on the subway in Long Island, and then he acted as his own attorney, too. They lose every time. And so he was questioning the witnesses. He's like, bitch, you shot me. You fucking shot me. You fucking shot me. You're lying. Yeah. The defendant says that, oh my God, that's your bitch. You fucking shot me.

1:32:26But that's just somebody that's really messed up. Yeah, crazy, crazy people. But they're like formed. They're not born like that. No, I mean, at least I don't think so. No one knows what they're born. There is problems that people do have mental illness that runs in families. Yeah, they do. That's real, man. I know people that have it, it's weird. It's very weird. It's weird, because it's like, if you don't have it, and then you see other people that do have it, you go, whoa, what is that like? Like, what is schizophrenia like? Yeah. There's, you know, I don't know people that are out there. Really?

1:32:57Out there. I've never met anybody like with that. I know people that come back, and they start acting normally again, and then they go out there again, and you never know which one you're going to get when you talk to them. That's not good. Yeah, not good. Or manic. When the person is manic, that's when they're really struggling. Yeah, this is the guy. One thing I know, I could hear shots being fired already. Solomon Butler is that man accused of shooting at clinics. Look at his head. Um, Butler posed questions to the officer. I don't think this is the wronged. Did you see that guy's head? Did that guy get shot in the head?

1:33:28Oh my god, he did. And shot in the head. No. In court, the injury to Butler's head was obvious officer clinics. Wow. Wow, I've never seen anything like that. He's missing a chunk of his head. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen a few things like that. Really? Yeah, people survive gunshot wounds and half of the head's missing. Half of the head's missing. Yeah, and they can still function somewhat. People can live, like, in a lot of different circumstances where a lot of stuff's missing. It's crazy that they're still alive. But that's crazy. That was nuts. His whole inside of his head's like, then it is.

1:34:01Yeah. So where's his brain? That part's probably not there anymore. That part of his brain is gone. He's gone. Yeah, so I guess the rest of the brain has to pick up the slack or something. Wow. Or part of your body doesn't work well. That's so crazy. Oh yeah. That's a freaky looking image there. Yeah. This was a different one, but it doesn't matter, Jimmy. It was a subway killer in Long Island. Yeah, I mean, serial killers. There's a lot of fucked up dudes out there. Women love serial killers. Why? It's so weird, because they're, but can a serial killer exist today? Yes. You think so? Yeah, they exist.

1:34:42No, that's just a desactive serial killer. Yeah. How? With all the stuff, like with the DNA and the videos and the cameras and the phones and the tracking. Well, you have to have people looking for you. First of all, right? So you have to have left some sort of evidence to begin with. Yeah. What? There was a guy named Henry Lee Lucas, and there's a movie made about him called Henry Portschent of a serial killer. I'm going to watch that. And they don't know how much of this guy's story is true, because apparently he took credit for a lot of murders that he couldn't have done. But he definitely killed a lot of people as well.

1:35:17And they would just pick people up randomly. They would drive around the country randomly, find someone and kill them. That's so bad. And if you do that randomly, it's hard to catch people. Yeah. Like if it's your ex -husband and, you know, he's been following a track and you wind up dead, they look to the ex -husband. Yes, for sure. The ex -husband's been stalking her. There's this shit going on. And then you break him down under questioning. But if it's just a random, if someone just pulls up to a bus stop and shoot somebody to the bus and then gets back in their car and drives off and no one sees it.

1:35:53Yeah. Most times there is like a... It's weird, right? Somebody like is watching. Because there was another guy that I watched. He was robbing a person of a drug deal or something. And the cops were questioning all the people and said, has anybody seen anything unfamiliar? It was a white van parked. And his lady next door was like, was it this white van? She just had a picture. And it was what led to the guy getting caught. Wow. Because the lady was, it was two in the morning and she was randomly like up, which I don't understand why. And she saw a white van parked outside. She took a photo. Wow.

1:36:36And she gave him the likes and played of the van that the people were using. So it's like, it feels like if you're doing something wrong for the most part, somebody's going to witness it. Well, the thing is... Yeah. You're very likely to get caught. Yeah. Especially they go looking for you. But there's some... There was this one dude that studied... Did he go to school for criminal? He went to school for something to learn the laws so he could be a better serial killer. What? Yeah. And he stabbed a bunch of people in this house. Was it like a sorority house or a dorm house? Yeah, I had a whole thing.

1:37:16Yeah. Yeah. So this guy, they think he killed some people in Western... In the Western States too. They think he killed some people in... I think it was Washington. Some people turned out missing. And it seems like... So this guy was studying... He was pursuing a PhD in criminology. So he's like studying crime while he's a fucking serial killer. I just... Look at his fucking eyes. Look at his eyes. Look at his eyes. Can you see in a person that... Okay, this dude's a little messed up. Can you see that? Because there are people that... People... There are people that say they can read people's energy and go...

1:38:01This person's energy is all. Some people have off energy for sure. You can feel it? Yeah, you can feel it with some people. You feel like they're evil though? If you ever been wrong, don't go screw it. This dude's a little evil, man. I think of the word evil. I just think screwy. Look, this is something wrong here. This is a facade. This is a wild shit going on behind the surface. You know? And you can't really tell from a photo. But the photo does look crazy. The guy... The way he was looking at his attorney. But I bet if you looked in his eyes. Like crazy eyes. Yeah. Crazy eyes. Yeah. You can...

1:38:32I can't... I don't know if I could do that. I don't know if I could read a person's energy. Because I'm always trying to take the person for who they present themselves to be. That's probably one of my worst... It's probably like a problem. Well, because you're real friendly. Yeah, I always want to take... You're a great guy. I want everybody to be laughin' and smilein'. I want to take everybody as... What you give me is what I'm going to accept you as until you show me something different. And then it's done. It just... There's every now and then you get around a shister. Every now and then you get around some dude who's scamming people around you.

1:39:06And you're like, what is going on with that dude? What's happening here? But right now, here's what I always wondered, right? And I know why when you enjoy going to the UFC, because it's just like people that we've all known forever, right? It's like we're all just callin' the fights. Life has to be pretty difficult at times. Because have you ever made new friends recently? Have you... Can you make new friends? Yeah, you can make new friends. Can you actually make new friends and see that these people aren't like being like having ulterior motives? No, there's good people out there. Really? Yeah.

1:39:43And you can still trust them in your position today. You have to have friends, man. But new friends? Yeah, I mean, look. What was the last new friend you think you made? How many years? I've made new friends in Texas. I've been here for three years. When did you start your Spotify thing? Three years ago. And you've made new friends today? I've made new friends. Yeah, really? Yeah. And they're good people. Nice people. Yeah. Huh. You look at... You look at how funny they were. I'm just saying, because for me, it's like, I don't know. Joe, I swear Joe, I don't know if I see people react any weirder than when they're around you.

1:40:24They get all giddy and shit, man.

1:40:30You're right. But it's like, it's like hard. It's like hard when you get to a certain level to really make new friends, because like you said, Shysters, everywhere. Things get weird, but there's still good people out there. Yeah. There's still people that are just regular people. Generally, the people that I become friends with, they do things that I do as well. Yeah. Whether it's archery, or whether it's Jiu Jitsu, or whether it's comedy, or people like that. But you don't, obviously, don't hang around just in like, Ren, you don't hang around in the same places that we did when the UFC first started blowing up.

1:41:04So you're not around the Shysters. No, I'm not as much. Yeah. But there's always some people around that are trying to like do deals and stuff. Yeah. You know, sell crypto. There's always some weirdos. Yeah, I know it's crazy. Yeah. It's the craziest thing. Yeah, I was kind of wonder that, right? When you come up to the fights and we're all like having a great time and then, you know, we kind of go back on our life and sometimes we text about the fights and it's awesome. But then I'm like, I wonder if Jiu like has more friends that aren't guys from back in the day like us, right? Like that. No, it's just Jiu.

1:41:38Well, I certainly have a lot of friends that I'm still friends with from back in the day. Yeah. But it's just, it would seem hard. It's weird. But good friends are always good friends. And once you make a good friend, oh, it's so perfect, right? And you gotta be a good friend. You know, that's one thing I'm not the best at. You know what I'm talking about. Bro, sometimes I'm not a great friend. Why would you do that? I just kind of be fucking up, man. I started. Sometimes I'm not a great friend. It sucks. Like, and sometimes I have to catch myself, not being a good friend, right? Like, so I'll do things that I want to do.

1:42:14And then a lot of my friends will do things that I want to do. So I have to sometimes consciously make an effort to do things my friends want to do. Oh, okay. Right? Because it's not always, you're not a great friend if you're only doing things that you want to do. True. Right? So it's like, and then I got into this weird phase where I only hung out with people that I knew would only do what I want to do. So you become a tyrant. The equipment manager at Oklahoma State. Everybody else is hanging out. I'm hanging out with the equipment manager because it doesn't matter what he what I want to do.

1:42:48He's going to agree to it. When I went to Oklahoma State, like when I went to get a K, I'm hanging out with these random guys because they're always wanting to do what I wanted to do. But then ultimately, I started hanging out with Kane and all those guys. And obviously, when Kane got into a situation, right, to be a good friend, I got to go into that J .O .H .H. to sit with him and talk to him and try to like support him as best I can. And that's being a good friend. At times, I might not have done that. Like I wouldn't have done that. Right? I would have called, had him, if he called, I would answer.

1:43:29Right? And thought that that was enough. But that's not enough. To be a good friend, you got to like really be a good friend because I've got some great friends. And I've got some great friends from childhood. And it was, it's like having a good, it's the best, man. When you get good friends, like it's the best. Yeah, people that don't have good friends, I feel fucking terrible for them. That sucks. Yeah, it's not good. It's not, you got to be having a good time with everybody. Everybody. Yeah. And most people are pretty cool, man. Like, there's bad people. But I've been lucky. I've been around some pretty cool people in my life.

1:44:01Like, John A .X. A cool fucking guy. He's a cool fucking guy. Like John A .X. A cool guy. He's the best. He's the best, bro. Ever. Ever. He's 100 % the goat. How does he do a job with us? Like sometimes we're literally just talking. Yeah. And then John's like, this fight is brought to you by Toyota tires. And he's like, all right, go ahead and do the real work. He's like, go ahead, boys. We go on tangents. Like tangents. And then John's like, all right, back to you boys. Yeah, but how fun is it? It's the best, man. I look forward to it so much. We do commentary. I'm always going to show. Every single show.

1:44:33Every single show. I'm like, the best vibe. The three of us and then with Megan too. Yeah, and Megan too. It's the great end and Dean. It's the great vibe. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome, man. Dean's funny, man. Dean is great. I don't want to do any of that shit you guys are doing. I'll just chime in and then I want to get in. That's what I like. He's got to ask. I don't always. He's looking all good. And then he starts better. Then he starts disrespecting, dude. I'm like, Dean does disrespect for, man. Well, he's going to probably is he's holding his hands too low. He don't look like he know what he's doing out there.

1:45:04Oh, my goodness. Dean. But he's giving his honest opinions. He's cornering Sean Brady this weekend. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting big get for Sean Brady. No, Kelvin Gaslam at one so I had a conversation with him at the comedy store one night. Really? And I said, this is after he knocked out Bisping. Oh, he knocked. Yeah, I said, this I go, dude, I go, you're fucking people love it. One eighty five. I think you're a world champion at one time. Go back down. If you just had the discipline to like, to just diet correctly. Yep. And just because he always carried around all that. Like, sure.

1:45:36Yep. You can't, you could do that at heavyweight. You can't do that at eighty five seventy. Nine eighty five seventy. As you get lighter, you got to be better. Look at him. Look at his size. And now look at Dracostuplici. At this huge. He's you. Him and Sean Strickland is going to be fun. That's going to be fun. That's going to be fun. That's going to be a fun fight. Cause Dracostus is all over the world. I didn't think he was good. I was always hard on Dracost. And then now I'm looking at him like, oh, he beat Robert Whitaker. He beat who is the man and he beat him down. He's going to be. Be there until easy.

1:46:08Be there until easy. That's a wild fight. He's big, man. He's huge. He's so big for that weight class. But Sean Strickland impressed me so much in that out of signified. I was like, my God. It was the best thing for me in that fight was talking to Sean before he had a bit of this uncertainty about himself. Didn't know right because is he is is he is a global superstar. He took the world by far by storm and Sean just not very long ago got knocked out by Pareta. So he had this like these questions like and he he doesn't hold back. He's like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be here. He gave me the title fight because nobody else was there to fight.

1:46:53And he was just telling the truth. But the moment he got into the Dr. gone, he beat Izzy, man. Every round. He looked so calm. Every second around. He did not look like he was over. I said, he looks nervous when he walked into the Dr. gone. A minute and I go, he's not nervous, fellas. I go, this dude is locked in and he pitched the shut up. It was not right hand that he landed was so clean. Is he never bounced back from it? Never bounced back. And what was not just the bright hand was all those left hands that came afterwards in the clinch. He just was hit it with a bunch of left hands in the clinch.

1:47:24He looked good, man. He looked really good. You know, they have this UFC bouts piece that they were using that registers how many times you get hit. Yeah. He spars the most and gets hit the least. He does shoulder. He fights behind the shoulder. He does. That's why it's like in his distance management is really good. He fights behind his shoulder. He manages distance well. He's popping his jab and he's always on, he's pressuring you. He's pressuring you. These guys, he's good, man. He's good. I mean, Drake is as good. God, I cannot wait for Kobe Coventon versus Leon Edwards. That one and two. And next week, at two weeks, that's gonna be good.

1:48:01That's a wild fight. That's a crazy fight. It's a wild fight. Can Kobe still fight? They do. They have the fought in almost two years. Well, Leon has looked amazing. Leon has looked amazing. Leon, you know, he, there was a bump up once. He got the champion. There was. There was a bump up once. Yeah, he got better. In the second fight, he looked even better. He got better. He wasn't dealing with the altitude. Ooh, that's true. You remember when you taught like, I was tired. That's true. That's true. It's like 5 ,000 feet. Yeah, it sucks. It's like it sucks. Yeah, that's, that's a good point. He got, but he got better between fight one and fight two.

1:48:35He defended take downs better. Yeah. He outstruck Camaro. He just fought better. He got that 30 % champion bump. Yeah, dude. With Teddy Atlas said that, I was like, what is Teddy talking about? And then I was like, oh my God, he's actually better. Yo, Teddy Atlas. That fight. It's gonna be a great fight. That's a wild fight, man. That's a wild fight. I believe Joe, for everyone we watch in this beautiful sport that we have the honor of calling, no one, no one has done more with less than Kobe Covington. He's not the biggest. He's not the fastest. He's not the strongest. But he wins. And with those abilities, right, he has become a two -time NCAA All -American.

1:49:23He has been the UFC interim champion. He's fought for about two times, and he's fighting for about another time. But nothing about Kobe jumps off the page. He's meeting potatoes as he gets. Volume. Volume and cardio. And cardio. But that all comes with hard work, right? That he's not gonna out -jump anyone. He's not gonna jump higher than anybody. He's not gonna run faster than anybody. But with his abilities, he has done that. That's crazy. Because we have seen many people like this that don't accomplish with Kobe Covington accomplish. I think Kobe Covington's tremendous man, but Leon Edwards is a, I mean, dude's won 13 fights in a row.

1:50:07And he's not lost in 13 fights. One of the smoothest strikers ever. He's so smooth. When he started rocking. You ever watch him hit the pads? Yeah. It's a thing of art. I watched the thing the day, and I was showing this to Lappy. I said, I saw these guys sparring in glory. And I said, there's never been a day in my life where I look like this and sparring. The combination was perfect, Joe. He was all boom, boom, boom, kick, and then another kick. I was like, you just don't look that smooth. But my question is, look at him. Yeah, look at him. We've never had work. Jeez, come on man. He looks good.

1:50:47Everything is just so precise. Yeah, everything he does. Rocky. Strong and big, Tudor. He's big. That fucking left high kick, bro. Oh my god, that left high kick is hell. He's really changed his life for that head kick. And then he said head kick bang. Yeah. He's in the octagon with you. That post fight. And he was wild. That was wild. Look at me now. Look at me now. He's in the octagon. Look at me now. Look at me now. That was some of those men that made him flutter up. Dude, you're flutter. I've been a long, long, long, long, full, full years. You're on down to me, so I couldn't do it. Yeah.

1:51:37That's... That's crazy. Oh my god. That's so crazy. Incredible. It was so intense, bro. That's incredible. Dude, somebody's one that's in those moments, right? Where you can't help but feel good for the person. Oh yeah, man. It was Amanda Nunez, too. One time Amanda won. And we were all crying. She had her daughter. And we were all sitting next to the octagon crying. I was like, oh my god. This is what made me cry. Oh, I was like, this is the most beautiful shit I've ever seen. Yeah. Like when you get to witness, people accomplish great things. It's fucking amazing. It's amazing. Even like, and I'm not talking about just athletically, but just in life.

1:52:20In life. When you see people do great things, you're like, wow, man, I'm happy for this dude. Yeah. I'm genuinely happy for this dude. I remember when you first started to move here. I was like, I smiled, right? I was like, this dude worked really hard and now he's done some amazing shit. Like good for Joe. It's like, you could feel good for people. Like when I saw, I saw, this was way back in the day. When John Anick did his first UFC pay -per -view, I knew how he had started from ESPN. And this dude was doing overnight highlights and then he did all those fight nights. And then he got up to the pay -per -view and it was you guys.

1:53:01And I said, look at John. And I was like a happy form. Yeah. I think that's probably like the biggest thing is to have an ability to feel good for someone. When they accomplish something great. Because accomplishing great things is not easy. It's very difficult. So to see that and feel that appreciation for that person in their work, it's amazing, man. And we get to do that constantly. Watching these humans just overcome like and do things that you know 90 % of the world can't do. Yeah. It's nuts. And when you're around things like that a lot, it inspires you. Yes. It inspires you to the work harder push -out.

1:53:43You know, no one, like for a championship level MMA fight, is there a more difficult thing to prepare for all of sports? No. I don't think so. How could there be between the wrestling and the kicking and the punching and the jujitsu? What could be more difficult and you have strength and conditioning sessions? I was doing four. When I was fighting at 205, I was doing four or five, six, seven, eight, seven, eight, nine. Then I was doing 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 workouts a week to become a UFC champion. I would get up at 7am, I would hit pads on Monday, Wednesday, then I would go to sparring, and then I would do bikes at night cardio, Tuesdays, 11am pads, 12 o 'clock wrestling.

1:54:36Then at night I would hit pads again and run. I was doing 15 a week. There were times, yo, towards the end, because I started old. I was almost 31 when I started fighting. So there were times when I got to 37, 38, when I was the UFC champion, where I would get so beat up because I wanted to train like I was taught to train my whole life, that I would crawl up the stairs. I hear stories of Kamara Usman walking down the stairs backwards. He does that. But he's still fighting at it, but when those lights go on and he's inside the octagon, or it's time to prepare, he gets himself ready. That's what championship Mixed Martial Arts is.

1:55:18Being so beat down, but being able to turn it on enough to work hard as you possibly can and give yourself an opportunity. I would crawl up my stairs. You imagine how good Kamara would be with two good knees. He has no knees. Yeah, could you imagine that? Could you imagine that? He's still one of the greatest walk tweets of all time and he has no knees. No knees. You ever notice the difference between the muscles in his leg and the muscles in his upper body? No, oh yeah. He's got tiny legs. Tiny legs. His legs are so skinny. He walks like it almost like his knees are bent forward when he walks.

1:55:50And I wonder if he developed that to relieve pressure of his knees. Probably. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, he has to walk. He was telling me that he has to walk on the grass when he's next to grass on sidewalk. Yeah. If he walks on the grass, it doesn't hurt his knees as well. Can you believe that? But that's not. And that's crazy for Kamara, but most athletes at the top of his sport have those types of stories because it just beats you down. Like the sport beats you down, but there's nothing like it. But there's no like no one's ever come back from a knee replacement. No, no, no, it's over. If you got a replacement knee, it's over.

1:56:24You got to put that stuff off until you're done. If I could do it again, I wouldn't have done the back surgery after the Lewis fight. His spring says he still runs. He does run. He does run. Mike is a savage. No, it seems so crazy. He's spitting Singapore too. If you all listen to Singapore, Mike's spit. I'm gonna tell you all right now, Mike's spit. He's spit, bro. Mike, he goes, I was running and I spit. I was like, you know, he's not supposed to do that here, man. He's not supposed to spit on the ground or spit gum on stuff. They don't like you to do that. Can't eat sunflower seeds. None of that stuff.

1:56:57It's so clean there. Wow. Yeah, they don't like that. So Mike's spit on the ground, Singapore. Mike fought like 10 fights with one eye. One eye. 10. Kids see. 10 fights. One the world title with one eye. Can you believe that? He said I was an international fighter because not many commissions like Il, that. So he was going all around the world. He fought with him. How about this new dude that just fought in the USA? Oh my god. Did you see that guy? Shibon. Yeah. He's a savage though. He's fucking stupid. Are we talking about the Russian dude? Yeah. Oh my god. He's scary looking dude doing. Oh yeah.

1:57:33He's terrifying with the one eye. That dude is nasty. Any crazy how good he can fight with one eye? He's got to have two eyes, dude. He's got one eye. Come on. He's blind. He's blind. That's why he's fighting overseas. He's blinding his right eye. He fought in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, you're right. No commission. He's blinding his right eye. Did you see that doctor in Abu Dhabi just messing up? Yeah. Poor guy. Poor guy, right? Yeah, not good. That was sad, man. I kind of, I felt bad for him at the end. I was like, oh, I feel bad for him. He's just fucking up. Cause they don't know. They don't know. They don't fight.

1:58:06You need a doctor that works fights. You need to sense somebody over there. Cause they don't know. Someone's gonna see a cut eyebrow and just stop it. Meet the controversial UFC prospectus partially blinding one eye. Yeah, sure. You can see light, I think, in that other eye. They call him a shower of bullet. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, he's a... A. Can fight, Joe. Oh, he's fucking good. He can fight. He's had a ton of surgeries on that eye. But he's been... He's been fighting forever though. Mm -hmm. And when you're fighting over this highlights, his fucking striking is so beautiful. And one global in all those shows.

1:58:42You're fighting absolute killers. Oh, yeah. So when you get here, you're ready to go. He doesn't have good takedown defense. No, I, what a guy. Last guy didn't even try to take him down. Which is stupid. Because this guy, if you're gonna stand and strike with him, you're gonna find yourself in trouble at some point. He's dangerous. He's dangerous. And he's so slick. Like those kicks. Oh my god, they're so fast. Yeah. Here he is. This is him. This is like a highlight. Side kick. You look kick, I do. Look, kick them. Hook kick, KO.

1:59:16That's just... This is real, young. And this is back when he had two eyes. So wait, something happened? Yeah, he got his eye poked. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah, he got his eye poked. He said a detach right now had multiple surgeries on it. Cheese. Yeah. He's just so interesting to watch strike. It's such a fucking devastating kick heavy style. That's someone right there. You start running into those knees, those suck. Yeah. Oh my goodness, look at this. You're super aggressive, too. Oh my goodness. He's spinning the elbow. My goodness, look at this. He showed him the knee first, too. Showed him the knee, dude's hands dropped.

1:59:52He said that up perfect. He said that up perfect. He said that up. So, spin his whole life kickboxing doing everything else. And now... That's the thing, man. These guys that come from an elite level striking background. Every fight starts striking. If they can figure out the takedown defense, like, Merkel Kroakop was the first guy to do it. Yeah. He was the first guy when he was fighting in pride. He learned takedown defense and then just started fucking up. Everybody up. I used to look at some of those guys, Kroakop, Big Nog, Josh Bornet. I'm like, these dudes are heavyweights. So, when I went down to the two of five, I was like...

2:00:29It was never really a heavyweight. Because those dudes are heavyweights. They got... They're legs are like this big, huge ashes, big arms. Aspenoles. Aspenoles are heavyweights. That's a big dude. That's a big dude, man. Francis is a heavyweight. A surrogate, daring. Those guys are actual heavyweights. Yeah. When they walked in that two of five, make two of five. Go to two of five. That's my... Jailton. At some point, Jailton's gonna have to face that. Yeah. I'm not a heavyweight. It'll be the moment somebody can't... He can't take them down. He'll be like, yeah, I might... He might get through it.

2:01:03But he might have to reconsider because... It's unfortunate because there was so much hype on him before the Lewis fight. He just didn't fight well. He didn't fight well. It was weird because... Almost like he just wanted to get that W. He wanted to get a victory. I like Derek. And I think Derek is like great for the sport, but like if... I submitted him, right? It's like you're a Brazilian. You're just too black, though. You gotta submit him. You know, you gotta find a way to finish that fight. But Derek's so strong. He was trying to punt Derek and Derek was just holding his hand. With his arms.

2:01:35He's like, got two arms holding his hands. And so the guys just stuck. Yeah. That's crazy. How strong must you be?

2:01:46How strong must you be to reach up and grab a guy by the hands and not let him hit you? Right. We saw that again just recently. Somebody was doing it. It was forever. Forever was grabbing your hands and not letting him hit him. Yeah. How? Distraints. How do you grab someone off your back and hold them enough to make sure they don't hit you? I would imagine if you have really long hands. Yeah, like really big hands and long fingers. And ahead of does. Who you see him when he's walking his hands up, they're fucking huge. They're the battles. He was like giant hands holding him. And like your his arm is like going sideways.

2:02:21So he should do that to dudes. Really? Yeah. He should use to grab a hold of wrists. He'll grab a hold of your wrists and his hands were so huge. Remember, Sammy was like seven feet tall. Yeah. Those super tall guys, I don't think it benefits them. Steph and Strauven, those guys were at such a severe disadvantage because they were so tall. Travis Brown. I don't think it'd be six, seven in fight. Really? I don't think so. I think it's too tall. Too much leg. Too much like they could take you down. I don't think it's, I don't think it works. I think the perfect heavyweight. The perfect heavyweight is about six four to 55 to 60.

2:02:57That's what I think, that's what I think for me, I think that's what the perfect heavyweight looks like. I think the perfect heavyweight is Francis. What's Francis? Six four. Six four. Six four. Yeah, six four, six five, two 60. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect heavyweight. Yeah. Somewhere in that range, six four, six five, two 60. Yeah. Jack. Strong. Yeah. That's the perfect heavyweight. Are you bummed out that we don't get to see John Jones versus Francis? I am bummed out. I'm so sad about it. I do not like that. That's the one that I wish. Yeah. And I think now Francis is making so much money boxing. He'll never come back.

2:03:33Well, that's the only way to get him to come back. You see the problem is he signed this contract with the PFL. If he didn't sign a contract, well, who knows? Maybe he wouldn't have got the boxing match. Yeah, he wouldn't have got the boxing. But so he goes and he gets his boxing match. Now he's a superstar. He drops a test and fury. He beats him up in the eighth round. It was wild. It was crazy to watch. It was crazy to watch. I got, I can't believe he was on the scene of my fucking chair. Open, he was what it is. I was like, please. Please, please, please. I'm like, Jesus. Oh my god, he's got him.

2:04:04It felt like he had it. It was crazy because every time, and I told, I told this to a boxing guy. Went on his, uh, in interview. And I said, even though I believe that Tyson is going to win, I'm an MMA guy. And he's one of ours. So let's go. Yeah. I was like, he'll knock him out. Then he started winning. And I was like, oh my god, he might actually win. So while I was rooting for Francis, I didn't necessarily know if he really could win. But then when it started to become a little bit closer, I was like, oh my god. Has Tyson Fury come on this? Yes. On the show? Yes. He's huge, right? He's giant.

2:04:43He's a monster. Yeah. But he didn't look great against, uh, against Francis. Do you think that he overestimated himself? Absolutely. He think that's what it was. I think he overlooked Francis. Under underestimated Francis. He said he had, like he said, going into the fight that his diet was like hamburgers in McDonald's. And he said that walking into the, uh, the fight night. And he hit a little elbow too. It was a beautiful elbow. Nice elbow. He was a beautiful elbow. He didn't have that on purpose? No. He couldn't do that. He couldn't do that again. Like, he couldn't do that again. Unless he knows how to throw an elbow, which I bet he does.

2:05:17I would bet you that Tyson Fury. No, I mean, not perfect. Like that Joe. No, Joe. He looked like he was throwing an elbow. But Joe, like, look at how he turns the elbow. We're like, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's good skills. But of course he would learn that. Why wouldn't he learn that? He knows how to throw an elbow. He's trying to punch him. He's trying to throw an overhand. Like, uh, like, right? And he just misses. Yeah, I guess maybe it also could be his throwing an elbow. I mean, it's not like he doesn't know how to throw it. Which is because he knows how to box.

2:05:43You don't think so much showing him how to throw elbows? I don't think he can throw elbow. Why not? I just don't believe it. I think like, look, it could be a hidden skill. I mean, let's see this. Let's see. This looks like he is even. I mean, he, he, he misses. I feel like his hands already turned. His hands turned out at range. And this guy just actually throwing an elbow. He's throwing an elbow. He just threw an elbow. So, so in France, it's saying Tyson cheated. He said Tyson knew what he was doing. Yeah, it looked like an elbow. I mean, that could be an accident. We don't know. It's perfect.

2:06:18But if that was an MMA fighter or a Muay Thai fighter, I would say that's a beautiful elbow. Chris Wyden and Mark Runoz. Yeah, do you remember that? Yeah. Oh my god. They'll just like that. Just like that. But more devastating. But Mark was running into. Oh my god. Right. Mark was trying to get close. Yeah. And Wyden just timed the perfect elbow. Oh my god. Look at this. Oh. And remember how bad it split him open. Oh yeah. Dude, Wyden was a mother. He was the best, wasn't he? He was the best. The, the one kick with Luke Rockle changes a little bit. Why did he do that? He did that spinning kick.

2:06:53How crazy? He should have never did that. But how crazy? It's one mistake, dude. Sometimes it's one mistake in there. You make one mistake and it costs you a footer. He did that kick. Luke gets on top. And Luke just beat the shit out of them. He would have never taken him down. He would have never taken him down. He had never taken Chris down. But when he beat him up that bad that way, he goes, I'm going to take this dude down now. So then he went and chased him down. Of course, the top pressure. He was so good on top, Jill. Oh my goodness. He was so good on top. Yeah. People don't give him his props.

2:07:25He's one of those guys that his personality has turned people off to the point that they don't respect what he did in the octagon. This guy beat Tim Kennedy in strike force. He beat Jocolary Soza. He beat everybody. Didn't he became the UFC champion? He beat Bisming once. He beat a lot of good guys. Do you remember the reverse, already a reverse triangle against the guy in Atlanta? Well, what's that guy's name in Atlanta? Luke Rockle did a reverse triangle. It was nasty. Yeah. I can't remember the guy's name. God, David Branch was David Branch? I mean, he was just, look at this. This is against the big burly cat that was in the UFC back in the day.

2:08:07Tim Boesch, I think his name was. That's right. Luke hits him with the Camora. Then right here, look at this. He hits a reverse triangle on this dude. That's post too. That's how he got him into the knock and then into this. Look at this. After a reverse triangle, but it was a black guy that he got with the reverse triangle in Atlanta. David Branch, I believe, who it was. It was sick. David Branch came after him in the beginning of that round. He caught him a couple of times. Came out Luke. Yeah, unloaded. Unloaded. Yeah. Thought he could punk it. But you know, Luke's biggest issue was when people realized, and it was Bisming, when people realized that if he hit him, you could hurt him.

2:08:50They started throwing caution to the win. And that's when he started to struggle. Because we used to beat each other up quite a bit in the gym. It was bad. And when people realized that if you could hit him, you might be able to put him out of there. So then he got knocked out by Mike. Then he got knocked out by, uh, Romero. Then he got knocked out by a Yamba Hoolvitch. And it was like, if you can get your hands on him, you can put him out. That's the Bihovitch too. That's 205. Yeah, he went up. The Hoolvitch is a big dude. He thought he was gonna be okay up there, right? And why would you not, because you had been training with us for so long, right?

2:09:26Right. And I had become the champ there. Yeah. You know, I didn't know Yamba Hoolvitch and I were in the same week, us. I thought he fought at 180, Fagr. Really? I swear to God. So then I asked him a question. I was like, well, since you went to 205, he was like, DC. I was like, yeah, he was like, I was ranked in the top 15 while you were the champion idiot. I was like, really? I had no idea. That's crazy. He didn't even know he was in your way class. Because when you're the best, like when you're the champ, you really are looking one to five. I don't think I ever looked past five, because I figured I was never gonna fight any of those guys.

2:10:02Interesting. It was always gonna be either Glover, Jones, and then they said Volcanoes, the mirror. And I was like, same paycheck. I was like, you'll same pain. It was like, yeah, I was like, all right, yeah. Vulcano. Funny. Yuri Prahaska, like up until this behavior to fight, he was one of the most interesting guys in the light heavyweight division. Because he just does everything so weird. Yeah, he's a very unorthodox guy. But he's also a guy that was groomed outside of the UFC. He beat 190 beat. I mean, he beat CB Dollar and King Mo on the same night. Yeah, he was the man. So he was ready. That's why he had won the UFC title in three fights.

2:10:50He only fought Volcanoes when he got there's first fight. Then he'd be Dominic Reyes. Then he'd be Glover to become the champ. Yep. It's nuts. For me, it's crazy also to see at 205, how between 2010 all the way to 20, nobody had the belt with me and John Jones. And then the belt just kept getting passed around. I wonder who is going to be the person that brings stability again. Do you think Prada, you think Prada can be that long -rating champion? I mean, with Jamal Hill and all those guys out there, they're also good and so close. They're also good and so close. And I'm curious to see, you know, how his grappling progresses.

2:11:30He's got to get better. Yeah, but it can get better and Glover is a great coach. It's good to be with Glover. Yeah. Pick up the finer points of grappling, especially grappling for MMA. Is it just about doing it when he gets taken down survive? Because that's what he did against John. No one that he doesn't get tired and he can beat you up. He did it against Yuri. Yuri beat him in the first round, same thing. But then every round starts on the feet, like you said. And every brown he's going to chop that calf. And he'll beat you up until eventually he gets you. But at what point does a bowl nickel or somebody get a hold of him?

2:12:01It's a very good point. He can't get away from him. Well, you know, if Bo goes up to 205. To a eat after go up now, but he was at 85 before. He was going to drop back down. No, he's not. He said he's like, what is he 35 now? 34, 35? It's so crazy when you see him. He's like, you think he's young? Yeah. Isn't this mid 30s? Well, he had a long kickboxing career. I mean, he literally was in that bar in Brazil. And Izzy had to say something. Your seat is fight with Dustin Jacobi? No, no, no. No, no. Dustin Jacobi was a really good kickboxer. Very good kickboxer. Wow. He's a good athlete. He was a quarterback, I think, in football or someone.

2:12:34He had to shut his lights out. Not them all. That left hook is nasty. It's brutal. He's so good. This is like the first time I think I saw a pehada fight with this fight. See, you can find that. I think this is the first time I saw a fight. He's so good. And I was just like, whoa. Like that, that is extraordinary power. And then I'm like, I'm going to keep my eye on this dude. Yeah. I watched a few of his fights. The Justin Wallace fight was insane. Let's see that. Oh. I mean, dude, that's just a different kind of power. That left hook is nasty. Let me see that again. That is just a different kind of power.

2:13:10He always lifts his knee too. I need to stay in the hands. That's what's doing it. And then he's going to be parked with the hands. Oh.

2:13:19That's nasty. Who hits harder than that dude? I don't think anybody does. I don't think anybody does. I really don't think anybody does. I can't find the Justin Willness fight. Just, excuse me, Jason. Jason Willness. And when these guys are going down, they're like out. Yeah. That's the crazy thing about the way he hits. Yeah, guys. It's different. Yeah. His power is just, it's nuclear. And what about you boy Yuri was like, yeah, and it's not just fine. Yeah, he said that but then afterwards he changed his mind. Yeah. Watch this. Those legs. And by the way, Willness is like a legit World Champ.

2:13:54Really? Yeah. Legit World Champ. This is a high -level fight. Preer at East Hall, man. It's what this. Oh, head kick.

2:14:09Oh, my goodness. No way for the end.

2:14:18Oh, that's that same knee from before. See, but this, this Joe, look at this Joe. What's now tell me this guy's not done to my point about boxing? Exactly. Tell me, Willness is not done in your accountant, right? He was already counting. Right. If that guy could have got up at eight or nine, they would have let him go back to fight for her. But bro, that knee is fucking horrible. That's the one he got the guy with in the beginning. Yeah, see? You know, so when you see a guy like that that's doing that of two different weight classes in kickboxing, yeah. And you can't wait to see a guy with a fight now and everything.

2:14:52So I want to ask you this. Okay. Alex Volkanovsky, right? He spoke about after a fight with Islam, how he was in his own head when he didn't have anything. Now he's fighting against Ilya Toporia very quickly. I wonder a lot if Alex Volkanovsky will have any lingering effects from that knockout because when we see him, we're all like raving. He's the best. Yeah. Is it just as simple as him just going back down to 45? And he'll be fine again because Toporia is a monster bro. And that's a fight you don't want to take if you're compromised. Yeah. And it's also a fight that he could have just waited for.

2:15:31I'm all in favor of making wild fights. And when Dana White was like, it's going to be Volkanovsky versus Mark Cchev too. I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, yeah. Take my money. Yeah, let's go. Take my money. Let's go. But if I was Alex's friend and we were talking about this, if you ask me to advise, I'd have to think about it a lot because I would think I know you believe you can beat him because you almost beat him in the first fight. However, you had a full camp. Yes. How much better are you with a full camp? You're better. He's way better. Everyone's better. No one is better with no camp. No. Can we agree?

2:16:08Yes, absolutely. Especially if you're not injured in camp, no one's better with no camp. Yeah, no one. Doesn't work. So it's dependent upon how hard you are training. How hard were you training before you took this fight on 10 days notes? Were you preparing for potentially fighting two months from now when you already ramped up training and you already have like real good cardio and you're already sparring? Yeah. Like, or have you been just kind of fucking off here and there and then you're like, I can fucking do it. Yeah. Because I can fucking do it is not a good strategy against the best pound for pound fighting in the world.

2:16:40Yeah. You want a camp. Like a rematch was going to happen anyway. Yes. It had to happen. But you don't take that rematch in my opinion with 10 days notice. That seems insane. And the only reason you want 10 weeks. You want 10 weeks. But the only reason anyone fought he had an opportunity was because of how great he is. Yes. Right. If he wasn't so great, nobody would have ever thought he had a chance. Right. But because of his greatness, I worry that because of his greatness, we're going to believe that come February or January, he's going to fight to Poria and you almost expect the same thing.

2:17:20But what if it's too soon? Like, and let's even if he wasn't compromised. Uh -huh. Even if he didn't fight Islam to Poria's a nightmare. Yes, he is. He's a nightmare. Yeah. He's he's scary. What he did to Josh Emmett. I was like, oh, man. He's nasty. What did the Bryce Mitchell? Like, oh, man. He's so good. He's so skilled. He's got great boxing. Great thing. Great thing. Everywhere. I got knocked out by Jones and Anna Hunt and I got called for a fight in late September. And I said, no, I need time. I need to let my brain heal. He got knocked out in October. He's going to fight in February. Yeah.

2:18:02It's fast, man. I just, it just knocked out by a shin. A shin. A shin with that. It's just, it's a little bit worrisome for me. I like Voke. He's the man. But then again, is he knocked by Heta out cold? Yep. In November. Three months later, he's fighting the young Bohovich. Oh, yeah, yeah. It fought better. Yeah. He got knocked out in April. One in July. Out cold. I mean, Voke and I was going to sleep. No, he was not out cold. Yeah. This guy was a sleep and is he was above him shooting arrows into his body. Two and some crazy stuff, right? And then three months later, that dude's fighting the young Bohovich.

2:18:40A06 much. A is the world champion. Crazy. A leg for error. I mean, he's not one of the quickest ride. The absolute quickest to two titles. I've never seen anything like that. Nothing has ever been like. No, never in my life. The thing is, man, like if the dude really can just survive under everybody, if he gets taken down and then just beat your legs up, like, beat your legs up. It's a real problem. It, he beat your legs up and then he forces you to make a mistake and he takes advantage every single time. But every single time. I think Jamal Hills a real challenge. You think so? Jamal's a sniper, man.

2:19:15He finds chins. Jamal said he's not going to take him down. He said he's not taking him down. He said, he's going to knock him off. Yeah. He said, I'm not taking him down. I'm going to knock him off. He might. I think I will take him down. Who knows? I would try to take him down. I would definitely not give him just a standup fight. Jamal's got some nasty hands, man. He does. He really does have some nasty hands. He promises to KO Alex Beheader standing. Yeah. You know what? I have never seen him fight anybody of that caliber yet. But I think he's capable. He's very capable. You know, what he did to Glover was very impressive.

2:19:57Dude, he just beat him up. Just beat him up. He really did just beat him up. I mean, when you think of Yuri's struggle with Glover and then Jamal Hills just piece him up. Jamal just piece. He just kept touching him and touching him and touching him. And it was clever. It was smooth. He's so unorthodox. He does these weird movements where he's kind of like back behind his head and chest or behind his feet. He's like, it works. It works. It works. He's developed the style for him. He's got power. He's got real power. He's so big. Johnny Walker KO. He's so big for the weight. He's huge. Yeah. I mean, right now he's as big as I've ever seen him.

2:20:32But he's like huge for the weight class. How much more time does he need for his Achilles? It's going to be a little bit. Yeah. He's not Aaron Rodgers. Abro, you know what summer funny? Should I ever see him in my life? What? What? He knew it over the day. When Aaron Rodgers was something happened with Aaron Rodgers and he said, you told him something. Yeah. That was the crazy shit. I was like, Joe's a doctor. He was telling me all this stuff. I was like, he was saying all this stuff and I was like, wow, he did it. But now I'll never question you are Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is about to play football 11 weeks after terrorist security.

2:21:04Kill him. What is he doing?

2:21:10He's doing it. I'm just going to tell you what he's doing. I'm going to tell you later. This dude is somehow playing after 11 weeks. That's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Joe, when I saw him on the field throwing that football, I could not believe it. He tore his Achilles. Seven weeks later, he was on the field throwing passes. He got cleared for football activities this week. How? He's 40. Yeah, there's a lot of modern science going on here. Look at him. Look at him. Get on him. This shit is crazy, man. I'm like, when I start feeling bad, I'm not calling nobody but you. I want you to tell me how to feel better.

2:21:53How? How? If I had a guess, like if I didn't know, I would tell you peptides. If you had to guess, okay. I didn't know. I tell you peptides. Yes. Because dude, how? Like this guy is, that's what I think people should be using for the UFC. This is the argument for peptides. If that's what he's using, I'm not saying yes. But that's the argument is that they help you heal. And when you're dealing with his issues, like John Jones, like John Jones should be able to get some peptides. If he didn't have a chance, what it helped is, it would help, it would help there's recovery. Hey, let me, like, can I see that picture, Aaron Rodgers is getting a good out there.

2:22:27Do you? Could you imagine being the Jets though? Oh man, it was, dude, it was perfect. He runs out, he's carrying this huge American flag. That place was loud. I don't watch the Jets. I don't know if you watch football, but I do. Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets was like, the Jets have been terrible for a long time. They have the world, I like, they have the world. Everything's going for them. He looks, look Jack. They look Jack. Yeah, he has any atrophy as well. Look at him, he's like stepping up on his toe and everything. Yeah. That's crazy. Wild. He runs out with that massive flag. Look at the calves on that motherfucker.

2:23:04The place is going crazy and then he tears his Achilles. And then they had that young kid as their quarterback. But could you imagine watching this guy work playing football? I saw a video on that, that hard knocks thing and they have these circles, Jill. These circles, they're targets and they, that thing was 20 yards away. And every time he would throw, he's like, top right. And it would just go inside that little thing every time, bottom left, inside, he never missed. He was so accurate. He was so accurate. He was saying it's like, and the Rogan, bam. That American flag at the top, inside the bucket.

2:23:48He never missed. Wow. That dude sick, man. Well, you want to imagine the practice involved and getting back good at throwing a foot So accurate. How many hours has that been? In that football like this big. Yeah. If you ever grabbed an NFL football, it's huge. You're barely, I can't even get my hands on it. I've got small hands for a fighter, though, but it's huge. And then you look at the receivers. I went to a golf course in Florida. And when I walked up, it was Chris Carter from the Vikings. Dude's fingers were like all like broken in turns sideways because I say, what happened to your hands?

2:24:23He goes catching footballs from like all of them great quarterbacks. Like when, do that play with Brett Farve? Their hands are tore up because he's throwing so hard that he's like knocking their fingers back and stuff. Wow. Can you believe that? Like try to catch a football fan? It makes sense. I mean, if you catch one on the tip of your finger when you're trying to grab it and it gets yanked back. And they got it throw it fast because these run, these DBs are like whoever guarding you is so there's like a short window to get it in there. Dude is nuts. Football, football is that crazy. How long before you think MMA gets to the point where you see athletes of that caliber consistently entering to MMA?

2:25:04It's going to be a little bit. I think it'll be a little bit. You know why? Because if you have that ability to play football, they go play football because the one is so big. Right. But could you imagine a Fred Warner or a frickin, he's a linebacker for the 49ers, the best in the game? How about when Herschel Walker started fighting in strike forces? It's 40 years. And still is okay. And it's fucking people up. I got some crazy shit about Herschel. Tell me. Dude. Herschel ate one time a day. Yeah, I heard that. He would eat soup and bread one time a day. And he stayed at this great hotel called the Fairmont.

2:25:38And I think he was staying there free because Herschel Walker owns this massive chicken company. He provides chicken to McDonald's. Herschel Walker's chicken is like the, like I think he provides chicken to McDonald's and like all these big companies. And the Fairmont was one of them. So he stayed there. He ate soup once a day. And Herschel Walker, while he was very athletic, Joe, he never picked up his feet. So his feet would kind of like drag on the ground, fuck it with shock to shit out you every time he punched dog. Herschel was getting static electric in his feet because he never picked them up in the fuck with it and it would shock you constantly.

2:26:13And he would knock people out and bro, he's like when he Herschel Walker, I think it's documented that he has like we talked about Mike Tyson, like that guy that lives in that world and then the guy that we see daily. I think Herschel, it's documented that he has some of these issues like a personality. It's a personality. The first time he fought in strike force when the HP at San Jose and we're getting ready to go out and he starts going crazy, cursing at himself, I'm a kicker. But all I've ever heard from Herschel was like very soft spoken, you know, talking about religion and everything. He turned into a completely different person.

2:26:59When he walked into that octagon, he went off. Right here. Bro, he was saying some crazy shit. This is the first fight. First fight. Yeah, bro, I was I cornered him, Joe. How old was he? 44 years old, 45 or 46, something like that. But look at his feet. See how his feet never come up. He would always static. Look at him. Look at him. That's what I'm talking about. Oh my God, he just started getting mad. Dude, I'm telling you, he did that in the back before we went out there. Watch that. He just got mad. He got mad, bro. But he tapped into that nice combination to to drop him. He tapped into that other person.

2:27:44Who is he fighting here? Yeah, no strike force was the best at this, bro. Strike force would always get you to do that. You knew you'd be okay against. Strike force was the best at that. What do you think about this fight? Dood's and then it would never be a strike force again. Oh, really? In the beginning, like, did be a guy. He'd fight me. I would beat him. And then I'd never see him again. So they just got a good fight? They would get me fights. Because my first fight was in strike force. So I'd fight like, so if I was a wrestler, it was like another kid who was a wrestler, but he was a high school wrestler.

2:28:17So then, hey, if push comes to shove, Daniel can I wrestle with his dude? Right. One dude was my training partner. I had a really good sparring session against him. Next week, I needed an opponent. That dude was in there. I knocked him out. The first time I knocked somebody out. Yeah, well, the strike force was really good about that. What do you think about Bellator and the PF of mining? Do you think that's going to lead to anything? Isn't it interesting that people don't care that much about shit that's outside the UFC? Isn't it crazy? Yeah. Because the UFC has developed such a lead on everybody.

2:28:51It's nuts. Yeah. It's like, it really is like now. Whereas before when strike force got absorbed, you had Rhonda and Nick Diaz and Gilbert Melinda's in myself and Luke Rockle and Jockery and Josh Thompson and Aleister Overream and Josh Portnet and all these guys, right? Yeah. So it felt like not a competitor, but at least a legit number two, well, you had championship level fighters fighting. Bellator has that. Yeah. But the UFC has now grown to a point where it's like the NFL in fighting. And as there is nothing else in basketball that we compared an NBA or to the NFL, CFL, XFL, all that. That's how it is with UFC.

2:29:38So it's like no matter what they do, it's never going to feel as important. Right. When in reality, you have some really good fighters. Yeah. Some really good patchy mix is really good. Johnny Ebblin is really good, but as long as they're not fighting inside that octagon, it'll be hard for them to be to feel like it. But I think it's good. I think you're taking the number two and three promotions in the world, combining them. It's just crazy that even in doing that, it still feels like a distant second to the UFC. Yeah. I think it's always going to be that way. As long as UFC doesn't fall apart, like if Dana Lee is or they sell it to you.

2:30:15They could sell it again. They could sell it again, but I mean, why would they? Why would it never ever sell that? They shouldn't. It's like they're going along. Like the Saudis. The Saudis and by what about when the Saudis just bought the PGA tour? Like how you going to buy the PGA tour? You don't think they could do that with the UFC? Yeah. They can buy it. They just open a lot of money. They just overvalue it. They could, but they easily could. They could just buy anything. It's going to be interesting to see if someone with this new merger, if they change the name, if they stick with the PFL, what are they going to do?

2:30:50So what I heard is, Bellator does pretty good overseas, so they're going to run their events over there. Right? So it's going to kind of become an international company. Oh man. And the PFL is going to be where they've stayed at PFL. Right? And they'll do like a champion versus champion thing. ESPN just extended their contract with the PFL, but there's no mention of Bellator. Right? You know, I really want to see Johnny Ebblin in the UFC. I do. I do. He's good, man. He's a very good fighter. Very good. You should have fight with Leon's brother. Yes. But could he fight at 185 in the UFC? Does he have to go to 70?

2:31:27He doesn't look that big. We'll find out. He, I think he would have to probably go to 170, right? Even like the 205 partner.

2:31:36Nebcroff. Because he's good, but he's just not that big. What kind of testing are they doing over? Not much, right? That's another reason I'm saying that without, you know, saying it. Yeah. Like, I think those guys will probably have to get a little smaller to fight at their right weight classes. But I think it's a big deal. I just think that, um, I'm just happy if the fighters get more money. Yes. Like these million dollar contracts, I think that's great. Guys are making more money today. You know, I'm on Marciay. I just got a million dollars to fight. Yeah. That's right. He won that twice. Yeah, he won that two times the world.

2:32:09He would have never made that. No. Could partly do because he wouldn't have been able to find that level of success. Right. Right. Those guys are too tough. Even Derek Brunson. Like Derek Brunson had not look great in his last few UFC appearances. He went to the PFL. Look fantastic. Look fantastic. And now he's back on the right track. So good for him. I got to wrap this up. DC. Yeah, that's fine. Baby, it was awesome tonight. Oh, I'm coming. Yeah, I'm so happy we got to hang out. I'm actually coming to the show. I can't wait. I watched you in Chicago once. And I'm coming to watch you again. Let's go.

2:32:40Let's go, Joe. Thanks for having me, brother. All right. Get him back. Get him back.

2:32:47All right. All right.