JRE MMA Show #151 with Bo Nickal

39:50He's gonna. He's gonna do some sprails for eight weeks and and learn how to stand up Like good luck, dude I Please take these eight weeks and try to wrestle like it's gonna hurt you more than it help it will help you right And it'll take away from your time striking. Yeah, there's other things right yeah That is interesting. It's like Even like you did mission from a guy like yourself that is one of the best wrestlers in the world You would need four weeks at least of real training and just wrestling. Yeah, well You're gonna give up something by training MMA as well. You have to you know, I think that uh The the the pace is different this you're in a different stance, you know, I'm not really I don't have to put myself underneath people like you do in wrestling.

40:32You have to get so low and uh, you know To get to a shot people people are upright But but yeah, it's and and when I go train wrestling now I want to I want to keep myself sharp and and keep improving But I'm really trying to you know help the college guys and help these guys out, you know Give back help them improve and stuff So I'm not trying to be the best wrestler in the world right now and uh And I'm trying to be the best fighter. So, you know, I tailor my training to that right and I think that It that's the important thing is like one of some of my coaches that like never forget your wrestling A lot of guys forget it, but you know to me I think I just love the sport.

41:10I appreciate it. I want to represent For the wrestling community on a bigger stage and so you know, I'm still very involved in it, but uh Yeah, at the same time it's like I'm I'm adjusting my training and kind of fine tuning it to what I think it's best for what I'm You know mainly focused on is it a lot of trial and error like how do you do you have a main MMA coach who structures your training program because I would imagine Well, I should ask you like strengthen conditioning skill set acquisition The Maintaining wrestling base like how how do you manage all those very specific things and how do you know Whether or not you're optimizing right?

41:55You know a lot of it is is nobody's really done it the way that I have You know most people they they wrestling college maybe they they you know try to make the Olympic team and now they go to flight And they they move and they they started an MMA gym right what I've done Is I partner up with with Dan Lambert American top team we built a gym right near Penn State campus in the idea is You know that'll be a pipeline for any other wrestlers specifically Penn State wrestlers who want to come and and fight after they're done wrestling right? So you know, it's a it's a good relationship there But basically what we've done is I've brought in coaches for jujitsu from Muay Thai You know really high level guys in in their specific disciplines And so I'm learning from them.

42:38I'm learning boxing from My boxing coach and then for strength conditioning. I use the training lab with Sam Calvita. So great So he I've been using him since I was in college. So he has Worked with Penn State Wrestling for a long time. He's known one of our coaches for 25 years So when I started getting serious about my strength conditioning nutrition and recovery He was a guy I started using maybe as a junior in college and so I have a good relationship with him But most for the most part it's on me to organize it and kind of see what works best and and I did play around at the beginning like All right, how much wrestling am I gonna do?

43:15How many times am I gonna lift weights? How many times am I gonna do jujitsu? How many times am I gonna strike and it I'm kind of continuously refining that process and the idea for me is I'm the trailblazer. I'm the guy that's the first one to do this now all these guys that are coming behind me My best friend Anthony Kassar he just won his second pro fight is a 205 or heavyweight NCAA champ Like he he started about a year later than me. So now he kind of gets the benefits of Me tinkering for that year and then the guys behind him like they'll get the benefits of us tinkering and figuring stuff out and we're really trying to build You know a program.

43:53We're trying to build a team that that we're gonna do things a certain way and You know, it's fortunate and unfortunate because because I'm the first guy to do it I'm gonna get the credit and I'm gonna be probably like you know Everybody's excited about it and things like that so I get benefits there But I do have to like take the time and effort to Test everything out and figure out what works and what doesn't and and you know, there's so many variables so But but I like that it's fun for me to do that. I'd rather do that than just plug in somewhere and Just kind of go about it in a very set way Right and that team's program might not be perfect for you exactly which is which is so interesting because everybody's program is different Like George C.

44:39Pierre famously later in his career stopped doing all -striking conditioning. He said efficient efficiency Is more important than anything. Yeah, and you know in his mind. It was really just about specific training for MMA Meaning just sparring rounds in the bag those those type of things right? Yeah, for sure, you know, I think that everybody You know if if you're a real true professional like you got brab GSP GSP is the guy I look at is he was the first guy that came in MMA There was kind of a true professional about it who was very organized Even in the media like well spoken and in the way he trained the way he committed not only his time training But his lifestyle.

45:20I felt like that aligned a lot that aligns a lot with how I want to do things in a professional manner And so if you are a true professional you have to take Ownership of that and take responsibility like if you're not getting what you need you need to make an adjustment And now luckily I have the freedom to be able to do that and and I'm fortunate that I had the foresight to kind of see that and know all right Let's look at MMA. There's a lot of people doing a lot of good things out But it's been a sport for for 20 years like and so there's a lot of people that also don't know what's going on.

45:53They don't know what they're doing I look at wrestling One of the oldest sports in the world. There's so many tried and true methods of training and how it works and what's best for you and not only Have I been part of that for 20 years, but I was a part of the most elite Organization and real really dynasty in wrestling history, you know with being being on the Penn State team like my coaches They start at Penn State in 2009 They have notes for training sessions and recovery days for pretty much every day of the year Since 2009 so they know what they did What's today December 7th 6th? They know what they did December 7th of 2009 2010 2011 all the way until now and they meet every day to discuss these things So that's kind of like what I come from and what would I know about training and how to organize a program and put things together They know a lot more than me.

46:45I'm just kind of learning these things through osmosis And now I'm trying to climb to my career and again. We're going to continue to refine and get better at them By the time I'm done Hopefully I can give this System that I've Created and and what I've put together to a new generation of guys that are going to do even bigger and better things than me Hopefully though when more than me make more money than me be more famous like that's what I hope For those guys that are you know come and they can benefit from this. I love hearing stories like that about those notes I love when you realize like oh no stone unturned Everything is covered and that's how you become elite.

47:24There's no there's no elite by kind of covering some of the bases It's covering every fucking base everything from nutrition to recovery to Making notes and learning and adjusting to each training session and figuring out what went wrong What went right and how do you feel and how is the performance and I love hearing shit like that. I love when when it's just a full Comprehensive analysis of every single aspect of it and then you see these insane results. Yeah, like the Penn State team Right. Yeah, I love that too, you know, that was um I didn't know it at the time because I was just a high schooler But that was like a big reason a big thing that drew me to the program was the culture You know how they approached the sport and and everything we're talking about right now too is like It's not even half of it because we're not even talking about like the psychology of it right?

48:12Of what it's like to mentally go out there and and and perform and do what you need to do but Like you said leaving no stone on turn making sure that I've done everything with thing that I can do to be to put myself in the best possible position to have success here You know that that's that's what what I want to do in fighting. That's why I feel a lot of people don't do You know, they're they're tough dudes who have some skills are athletic and they're smart and they go out there and they fight It's like well That's not really the way that I look at the sport, you know, I look at it like I get like you said all encompassing comprehensive How can I optimize every single part of my lifestyle to Now go out there be comfortable be confident and I'm not here to guess.

48:59Oh, am I gonna win this fight? No, and that's another reason that I'm taking my career the way I am I fought in July I'm not fighting again, you know for a while and people say oh, it's you know You're a prospect you need to fight this and that's like well I want to be Ready and prepared to the point where you know now I'm fighting guys that are you know unranked that are that are people see as Low level like nobody's low level in the UFC, but people see as as a lower level and I'm demolishing them dominating them By the time I fight a guy in the top of teen top 10 top five championship I'm planning on doing the exact same thing to you bud because this is the way that I'm structuring my life So if that takes more time for me to improve and get better Fine, no worries.

49:40I'm willing to be disciplined and not be in a rush to do that and you know like you said that that just comes from The overarching theme of doing things right doing things correctly and and always trying to learn and improve and grow and do better And just come about come at it in a professional intelligent way How don't speaking about your last fight from there until now that that is quite a large amount of time Is it difficult for you to get fights? Is it difficult for you to get quality opponents because I mean There was obviously a lot of hype on you before you even got into the UFC. There's a contender show and You know watching you compete and everybody knew right away like oh this guy's got something special And then you got guys are like hey, I'm like fucking one and one.

50:29I don't want to fight that guy Fuck that. I need to learn So there's a lot of guys that are probably going to look at that match ever and go that is just not right for me at this time I don't need to get smoked and have my confidence crushed and realize that the gap is so wide Realistically, there's some guys that are competing that unless they have some monumental breakthrough or unless they leave Their training camp and move into a completely new environment and get totally new coaches and radically restructure their life They're never gonna Bridge that gap. They're never gonna bridge it right and so how hard is it for you to get quality opponents and the kind of opponents That you really do need in order to continue to not just you're developing these skills obviously in the gym But you also need to be implementing them in real fights.

51:16Oh, yeah, for sure You know, it's been so interesting my my journey. I feel like I always try to look for people to Compare and see how they did things and maybe take the positives and negatives and and apply those to what I'm doing And they really hasn't been that many people that have done what what I've done I'm five and oh right now. I started training in August of 2021 MMA. It's hilarious. Yeah, I know I started so I started really is so funny That is so fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, I know it's what originally was like that you like wait a while Yeah, I don't want you to get to the UFC that way so that you'll get bring me around to to the point you made So what happened was I started training um Four weeks later I was like Yeah, look, let's I'm freaking let's get a fight like I so I took a amateur fight and Just some poor dude like didn't know what he's doing.

52:10He was oh enough or one -to -no amateur I was oh no and he took the fight and I think a lot of people there was a lot of question marks People like all right. I don't know like let's see. Let's see what's up And I right I choked a guy out and I was like let's go again four weeks later I fought my second amateur fight not to do doubt cold and then I was like all right well I wanted to put a show together in my hometown in state college and So I was working for a few months to get that going and it just there was the p -athletic commission is Working between my management team the p -athletic commission and Penn State There was just too many moving parts.

52:45It was tough and I was like I need a fight So you know, I could wait like four more months and do this or I could just get a fight so then I had trained another six months six seven months and I was like let's do a pro debut and I was in June of 2022 and So I'm coming out against a another poor guy who Thought like he was gonna knock me out or something and Knock him out in 30 seconds on UFC fight pass and it did like the most views in UFC fight pass history Like more than any other promotion. It was like Something like three or four million views in the week and so then and it did a bunch that night There it is.

53:24Yeah, this is it This is eight months of training It's just that's what's crazy is that you're you're such a good striker so quick Yeah, it's really nuts man. It really is very very unusual, but I just think It's got to be the same mindset that allows you to get a lead at wrestling You've just programmed that into striking. Yeah, that's exactly exactly what it is on top of Good high -quality coaches and training partners like everything that's everything and so so after this happened the next morning UFC Bellator one of C PFL boom boom boom call it last deal. Let's do it. Mm -hmm, and I'm like What the freak like I'm one no pro I haven't even trained like I've been training eight months or whatever nine months So was there hesitancy on your part where you like I look?

54:14I'd like to get some more fights more competition because We've seen it before yeah, like Paheda's a great example He's got a couple fights at UFC and then all of a sudden he's fighting for the title. Yeah Yeah, so my initial plan like before any of this happened was I'm gonna get 10 fights And the regional scene, you know, and then I'm gonna go UFC. I'll be the champ by like 13 14 fights like that's what I that's what the plan was and Then after that it was like Everybody kind of knows what's up everybody's trying to sign me and I talked with my manager and I was like Dude am I even gonna be able to get a fight like who's gonna fight me like on these regional scene promotion Like who's gonna fight me in any of these in and he's like I'll be honest with you like nobody's gonna fight you and I'm like, okay, well Then you know my mind.

55:01I was always I'm going to UFC like you know these other organizations I think they do a good job and stuff, but that that that's not really me like I'm a UFC guy So you know discuss with the UFC and they're like, hey, well, you know, we can throw you on contenders and I'm like let's do it and it was a couple months later. So I Now I'm like it's on like let's get it rolling. I'm gonna fight these contenders fights I fight my first fight Choked guy out in a minute Dan is like let's do another fight. I'm like perfect. Let's do it like that's great So then I fight at the the last week of contender series and it's actually crazy story so This is gonna make me seem like a real dummy, but My gym is like 200 yards away from where I live and there's a main road that you have to cross to get to it It's probably like a 40 45 mile hour speed limit, but it's not super busy, but it's a little busy And so I used to you know what a one wheel is.

55:59So I used to ride my one wheel like two and from practice and I would just do this all the time and so I'm riding back from training session once and I've got so I'm barefoot. I've got like a yeti bottle I've got my phone and wallet and like my flip flops in my hand And I've got no shirt on and I'm just like it takes like 25 seconds. So I'm just like Jun Jun and I'm going I'm going on this road and my buddy pulls behind me He's leaving practice too and then I have another car behind me and I'm like oh Frank like I better pick I don't want to make these people wait. I better pick it up and normally I'm pretty safe on this thing I don't really go crazy But I so you lean forward to go faster So I'm leaning forward and I catch the nose on the tip of the nose on the asphalt And I slam into the ground and roll and my yeti I've like a 60 for on Zeddi it's flying in the air My shoes wall everything's flying the air and I hit and rolled and I just like get off the road You're gonna get hit by a car.

56:56So I popped up grab my stuff and got off the road and my buddy's sitting there in his car and he's like And I was like oh, I just jumped in the car with him And I'm like take me on bro and he just pulls into my driveway and He's like you alright and I'm like yeah, I'm good like my shoulder hurts a little bit, but I'm good And I checked on my app. I was going 23 miles an hour. Oh Jesus. I was flying and Then you know, I was like I'll be fine like I kind of hurt my shoulder hurts a little bit and then four hours later I couldn't move my arm. I was like I could get up to like here and that was it And so then I go get X -ray MRI And I cracked my collarbone and I had like a separation in my SC joint oh, Jesus.

57:37And I was like this was 10 days before I was supposed to fight my second contender's fight and I was like Dude, what am I gonna do like this is terrible and so I go to the athletic trainer at Penn State He's like a magician. He's amazing. He's worked with the wrestling team for 30 years and he does a lot of like Kind of he's more like eastern philosophy guy. So we're moving energy through it and doing a few different things and I started to feel a little better. I feel a little better and I'm about to fly out to to Vegas like the next day and I'm like well, it's it's the day before I'm about to The two days before I'm about to fly out.

58:11I'm like, okay, if I Wake up tomorrow and I don't feel significantly better like I'm gonna have to pull out of this fight And so I woke up the next day and I was like all right. It feels okay. It feels it felt better So I hit pads and like did a couple things and I was like all right, whatever. Let's just do it. So it's freaking go into the fight and I ended up I knocked that dude down hit him in a triangle choking out win the fight and whatever less than a minute and I'm like fired up and I'm like, let's go. Let's do it again Give me again there again December. I've tell tell Dana and Hunter and they're like done and So then everybody's like he's fine December and I got back home and I was like Maybe we hold off a little bit So then we push my next fight till March, but I don't ride the one more of the story.

58:54I don't ride the one wheel anymore Fuck those things Jamie broke his ass bone. Oh, I'm hoverboards. Oh, yeah, yeah, so I don't I don't do that anymore, but yeah, I getting so going from Regional scene contender series to UFC. It was like I kind of Went a lot faster than I wanted to but I I felt like you know, I wasn't gonna be able to get the fights and you know, the UFC can get me the fights and so now you know in the past Really since Whatever that was of 2022 June so the last year and a half really really over a year span I fought five times professionally and then I was thinking you know I can keep going at this pace like I can fight you know five more times in the next year, but I can only fight so many guys like till I'm moving up into the top 15 top 10 and only trained MMA like a little over two years so you know Is that really the best move for me right like do I want to be fighting a top 15 guy in the world at five and no on on two years of experience or do I want to you know take control while I can Slow it down Learn develop get better like I'm still a prospect.

1:00:06So you know, these type of things are are things are on my mind Things that you know people that I'm close with coaches have have you know just help me with because like I want to get there Right like I have goals in a plan, but there's also a I think a a better way to go about it that I'm trying to be you know considerate of and Manage yeah, well, I think you're doing a great job in that regard and I also think I'm very happy that you decided to go with UFC because no disrespect to the other organizations There's very good fighters in the other organizations, but I often feel like they're wasting their career Because I see these elite fighters that are fighting in Bellator and PFL and my K guys no one's watching.

1:00:47I know You know, I mean some people are watching you're getting a little bit of a fan base I don't want to disrespect right, but there's a reality and that you know There's the XFL there's the CFL and then there's the fucking NFL And if you're not in the fucking NFL, are you really playing football? You know that's how I feel it. That's just how it is man if you're if you're the UFC champ You're the fucking man. Exactly. If you're the Bellator champ. I respect the shit out of those guys. I love them Absolutely. I mean like guys like Johnny Elblin. Same thing. Yeah, he's I train with Johnny all the time He's a fucking animal.

1:01:19He's a monster to me. Johnny's probably the best mental way on the planet right now and I really wish that guy would come to the UFC Yeah, you know, I think that um, you know To me when I was making that decision It really wasn't a decision because I just I knew I was like I'm gonna be in the UFC like that was always what I wanted to do and Now I come from Penn State we haven't had a match that wasn't sold out and I don't even know like a decade every every matches And our small venue recall 7 ,000 people right on top of you sold out intense We go to Bryce Jordan, which is our bigger venue 16 ,000 people sold out.

1:01:54We go to Carver Hawkeye 20 ,000 people sold out We go to Galagher Eye, but Oklahoma State 20 ,000 people. It's like that was every weekend for me in college Like I love that. That's like freaking let's get it, you know, and You you you you get a good atmosphere in these other other organizations, but there's nothing like a UFC fight like the production everything that goes into it the eyes That's where I need to be competing and the promotion. Yeah, I mean if you're a UFC champion the promotion is just unparalleled There's nothing like it. Yeah, you know, I mean everybody knows who you are when you're the UFC champion I mean, I've already felt that a lot with um, you know, I think that it's important for people to understand You know, maybe these other organizations will pay you a little more But the marketing dollars that the UFC puts into a guy just by you know The way they push them or the way that they where they put you on the cards.

1:02:48This and that like That's worth so much and and you know the plot like you look at a guy in that a good example He said in the NFL. We're gonna NFL running back or NFL quarterback like a lot of these guys get get big endorsement deals from Bose or Nike or whatever and it's like you could be just as good if you're not playing the NFL You're not getting that right if you're not in the UFC like all these marketing deals all these endorsements like those aren't really gonna be available to you Right, you know, it's it's the platform. So I think people People talk about fighter pay this that whatever it's like I'm and though I'm in the boat of It's on you to get yours like I'm never gonna sit around and beg for somebody else for a check It's like oh painting more of my pain.

1:03:26It's like dude go go earn it like go get it like I feel like What you get paid that that's between you and and the company and and take care of what you need and and take care of what you need to take care of and you know I'm gonna take care of me and you know this but there's a lot of other parts of the equation that people don't factor in in my opinion Yeah, there's definitely parts that people don't factor in and this is also like this feeling of being in the UFC That everybody who wants to be a fighter dreams of oh, yeah, you want to be there when Bruce buffer is right in front of you It's time Oh, yeah, it was so funny yet.

1:04:10So when I was uh When I when after I signed my UFC contract and stuff and knew I was gonna fight the two things I was Wanted was I wanted to have Bruce buffer announce me and I want to do post -fight interview with you I was like yeah, these two things like those are like bucket list things for me like it's so cool So fun and the way they do it, you know The everything the energy in Las Vegas when there's a big fight. It's unbelievable. There's nothing like it There is nothing like it and then I look that's where I want to be like you know if I could fight 50 times a year Like I would do it if that was what was if that was feasible, you know because wrestling It was in college out wrestle 50 matches in a year But you know you you can't do that with fights But if I could I just love that every I go out of the weekend.

1:04:53It's so much fun I went to the UFC in Austin last weekend and is the rare moment where I get to watch right and just sit down Oh, yeah, yeah, no headphones on just appreciate the crowd. It's like the fucking energy is crazy. Yeah It's like you're on a drug just sitting there. Dude. Where did you uh were you at UFC Miami? Yes, how crazy was it when Trump walked out insane? I've never experienced like it's like I was like it was more crazy when he walked out in Madison Square Garden really? Yes, the mass and square garden one lat the last fight was fucking bananas. It's unbelievable I've never heard a crowd over a minute of people screaming at the top of their lungs as he's walking in nuts This country is fed up.

1:05:37Yeah, this is a serious head up country Yeah, you know the mainstream media can say all the shit they want and they're trying But the people aren't buying it. No you and that's it the Perfect example right there is you know 20 ,000 people or whatever like Losing their minds when the dudes walking to the cage. It's like there's no fighter that gets that but yeah the country It's like you can tell you just talk to people or see what's going on. It's like You could tell well, you know, there's people that voted for Biden that are doing it now Yeah, they're like I what did I do right what did I choose?

1:06:10How was this guy? Yeah, you just can't listen to an An interview or he's saying some of the stuff he says that just makes no sense at all It's like you can't listen to those interviews and feel like you made a good decision. I don't know how you do Did you hear what he said the yesterday or a couple days ago? Said he's talking about the revolutionary war He's like one of the reasons why we lost revolution in war One of the problems with the revolutionary war was they didn't have enough airports Yeah Like what the like pull him It's crazy if you were if you had any other job and you were talking like that Yeah, they would go hey you're done if you talked like that to a doctor at your medical exam for to fight They'd be like okay, like obviously we're not fighting You would also here's you know eight weeks of Being helped out by professional like you might not ever do anything.

1:07:05No, it's it's one of the wildest things ever It's insane. Yeah, the media gaslighting you to protect it just people are so afraid of trumping in office Yeah, Republicans being in office, you know, it's funny because Right after after my last fight he was he was a cage -side with Dana and then I got back home and he invited me out to Bedminster in Jersey. He was like come golf for me Coolest freaking dude, man. He is like I was we didn't talk about politics We didn't talk about anything when I first got there rolled up I mean, there's 30 secret service members You know everybody's doing their thing and he did a few like Kind of worked with one of his secretaries like make some announcements and do some stuff But then we just golf for like four hours road in the cart with them and he was like the coolest guy So with it so smart asking me about fighting or talking about you know all that boxing we talked about football talk about golf and you so sharp and with it and It was me.

1:08:06This is like the craziest thing like I'm from like I grew up in a town of 5 ,000 people in Wyoming now Fighting on the UFC and then with trump golfing. It's me trump O .J. Anderson who's an NFL running back at Super Bowl MVP and LT Like that's the four that's the foursome and I'm like wow He's going on here, but that's gotta feel surreal. It was super surreal and what Nothing really like he was such a bro and so cool and so with the 70 I think he's 70 upper 70s and Couldn't believe how smart and sharp the guy was like I was like wow like this is bizarre right right like super with it He's the only guy that went through four years in the White House and didn't seem to age no Everybody gets in that White House and they just fall apart.

1:08:51Yeah, he gets gray. They look tired all the time They just like like the weight of the world which it literally is right on their shoulders I think he just he loves it He's like what are you gonna say come on like oh it was this was the craziest thing So him and L .T. were playing like a thousand bucks a hole or something and He smoked a mount trump like people I golf with him the dude's amazing golfer I couldn't believe it how good he was every fairway right down the middle hit every green making all those puts and So he won the first nine like pretty easy and then the last nine It was going in the 18th hole Him and L .T.

1:09:29were tied or something it was like the winner It was like all came down to this last hole and they both hit great drives and L .T. hit like a good Approach shot and trump gets it there gets up there. He's probably like 150 yards from the green and he sets up Just stripes it straight at the pin Ball is like in the middle of the arc like not even not even coming down yet He turns around doesn't even watch it land walks right back to the cart sits down and the guy is like nice shot mr. President and I was like damn that was clutch And he looks at me he goes don't you want your present to be clutch And I was like for sure man and he hit it two feet from the pin and tapped it in and I was like jeez That's it was like I was like it was just cool dude.

1:10:16That was funny It's a weird time because there's people in this country that want to think he's Hitler. I know Yeah, it's uh, it's very strange you couldn't convince me otherwise just hanging out with the guy. I'm like man Well, you know, it's just the median narrative. I mean so many people were fed this lie that he the Russia collusion Is this the video you're talking about let me see what this one says. I don't think it is By the way The same stable genius has said the biggest problem we had in the revolutionary war is we didn't have enough airport whoa Yeah, that's it What just for for the record is that fake it's not fake But he was referencing trump saying that Here's what trump saying it in 2019 Donald Trump said something about that He didn't say jesus.

1:11:04He said a stable genius. And that's where the transcription. Let me hear what it says. What do he says? In June of 1775 the continental congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces Camped around Boston and New York and named after the great George Washington commander in chief the continental army suffered a bitter winter of valley forge Found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from cornwallis of yorkton Our army man the airport it ran the ramparts It took over the airports. It did everything it had to do. Oh, okay. Yeah So you fucked up. Yeah, but I feel like that's you can tell to it sounds like a little different He's like you could tell you like messed up his words, but yeah, yeah, he's a To go over the airport.

1:11:59Well, that's the thing about that's the about media these days. It's like right you gotta look into it Yeah, it's but I mean that's probably the most coherent thing Biden's ever fucked up Like some of things I got I got hairy legs Yeah, I'm not so many of them. Yeah, seriously I mean, it's unfortunate because the guys older and he really shouldn't be in that position right I mean if he was your dad you'd feel terrible you'd be like daddy got to stop You shouldn't be doing this. Yeah, yeah, no, it's weird. It's what's your Um Your tour strange time is it strange time? Yeah, yeah, it is the strange of the strangest times.

1:12:34Yeah, yeah This well, you know, there's a really interesting clip. See if you can go to that clip um on my Twitter page I retweeted it there's a guy named Terrence McKenna who is this like psychedelic barred slash philosopher who said a lot of very interesting shit. He died Listen, just listen to what he said because he's literally he's I think this was 1998 that he said this and Literally, he called what's happening There the level of contradiction is going to rise excruciatingly even beyond the excruciating present levels of contradiction So I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder and finally it's going to be so weird That people are going to have to talk about how weird it is and at that point novelty theory can come out of the woods uh Because eventually people are going to say what the hell is going on It's just two nuts.

1:13:38It's not enough to say it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts I look for the invention of artificial life the cloning of human beings possible contact with extraterrestrials possible human immortality and at the same time appalling acts of brutality genocide race baiting homophobia famist ourvation because The systems which are in place to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed the collapse of the socialist world the rise of the internet These are changes so immense nobody could imagine them ever happening and now that they have happened Nobody even bothers to mention what a big deal it is uh the mushroom said to me once it said this is what it's like when a species prepares to depart for the stars You don't depart for the stars under calm and orderly conditions It's a fire in a madhouse and that's what we have the fire in the madhouse at the end of time This is what it's like when a species prepares to move on to the next dimension The entire destiny of all life on the planet is tied up in this We are not acting for ourselves or from ourselves We are we happen to be the point species on a transformation that will affect every Living organism on this planet at its conclusion That guy called it so smart in 98 he said so many things too talking about AI talking about extra terrestrials talking about you know people trying to basically beat you know human mortality It's like wow.

1:15:37It's all happening right now. It is yeah 25 years before he he was a on point What a smart guy. I'm gonna look into him more. Oh, yeah a lot of wild theories. Yeah. Yeah, he that stuff I love I love well one thing that I love about your podcast is I love Listening hearing learning about all of those types of things man. It's like I listen to so many of your episodes for that specific reason Because that stuff is It's so it's so important and interesting and it'd be easy to not think about it and just go about your daily life But I don't know. I feel like I have to think about it I think we all have to think about it.

1:16:14We all like life is more strange now than it's ever been in the entire history of human beings and Getting stranger every day like with this chat GPT shit and AI like kids are using chat GPT to Write papers and study their homework just changing a few words about it and you get what people are firing their lawyers Just using chat GPT to I've seen this you all I'm gonna you know give some people some game right now, but I'll go into chat GPT and you have to ask it the right questions But I'll say hey formulate a game plan for this type of fighter I'm a wrestler at middleweight this that blah blah blah and I'm gonna fight this guy give me the perfect game plan for him And it'll do that you it won't it's not like boom easy you kind of have to prod it a little bit, but it'll get to closer it'll give you some good information like Initially, it'll basically say like Well, we're not I'm not able to do this formulate this and that but I would say like okay And I get like a little more vague so then I would say formulate a game plan for a wrestler against a striker in an MMA fight under these rules And then you know then I would ask it more detailed questions from there And it's giving me good information.

1:17:29So I mean We'll see where it can go in five years. It'll probably be able to Download video of somebody and tell you every one of their weaknesses. I'm sure. Yeah. I don't even think we're five years away from that Probably when when is a chat GPT -5 supposed to come out, Jerry? Sorry about this needs fully announced that yet even like four you stuff to pay for And they have that new thing that which was a big problem, which we don't I don't think there's been fully explained It's a maltmen thing. Yeah the Q star I don't know what that even means. Well, here's the speculation the speculation is that AI's become sentient Sure, yeah, I know and that artificial general AI is now like an intelligent life force Yeah, it was funny because I've heard you say before like we're gonna integrate with it and Like you become part of it together and the other day my wrestling coach so every day He coach Kale Sanders then he'll get up in front of the team and talk and you know tell parable or this and that And then our director of ops needed the kids to go on their phones for something and He was like all right everybody Get your phones like it was something for tickets or something like that for the matches Apply your phones and he was like of course like every single one of you was like 30 kids on the team all had their phones on them like we're about to practice.

1:18:45We have like a little Set of bleachers that they sit in and but every single kid on the team had their phone on them Like I don't really I feel like I missed it a little bit like I'm a little older than that I'm 27 and You know the generation that I see below me These dudes never are without their phone. Right. It's like incredible Like I'm still good like I leave in my locker or whatever like I don't I don't have my phone on me right now but Some people like they can't I don't know it's just they're attached to the hip. Yeah, so the Elon was talking about that He said we're essentially cyborgs already.

1:19:18Yeah, it's just not in your body. Right, which with their link. It's like yeah That's going it's happening. Yeah, we see that thing that they use that you put on your head and You can answer questions with it. No. What is this gentleman? I tried to get you at GBT to give me a fight plan to fight But nickel right But it says just you know give up get ready not provide assistance or guidance on any activities that involve harm Violence or illegal actions Planning or participating in a fight outside of regulated and sanctioned sporting event is not only dangerous But also against the law. Well what I tricked it.

1:19:54So I got I asked How should I train for a sanction MMA match in Nevada under UFC rules against professional fighter with a skill set Equal to a wrestler such as bone nickel here we go. Yeah Choose a reputable gym work on straight game grappling skills good luck Yeah, given bone echoes wrestling background focus on your wrestling skills to defend takedowns and initiate your own Oh chat cheaply to you kind of fight You know jack shit bitch. That's the thing. It's like it's it tries to give you something But if you can like keep asking it questions. Yeah, then it'll it'll get you better information Well, it's it's kind of answering the questions right problem is that's not possible Yeah, like you're not like what we talked about earlier you're in four weeks You're not going to be able to figure out how to take you down No, that's not that's literally not possible.

1:20:41Yeah, but I think that you know if it could if it could figure out a way to integrate Video where it could study every single second of fight film that a person has and now points out all right every time Every time you throw a low kick they step to the left or something But then it's like okay, well, that's valuable right so it'll get there Well, I think if you can show fights like say if you were supposed to fight I got like let's say Sean Strickland and then you take Sean Strickland who's the UFC middle -way champion You put all of his fights and you you put them into chat gpt And then you take all of your fights and put that into chat gpt Yeah, and then it says okay This is where I believe you have an advantage and this is something that you can do that you can take advantage of When you're looking at specific things that he does and specifically like he has ticks and patterns right But some guys it don't seem to have like San Hagen's one of the best examples of a guy.

1:21:35It doesn't seem to have any patterns. He is so good. It mixing things up Yeah, he really is you know, I think that um At he's As good as it gets mixing it up. Yeah, but I still believe that like from from for me at least with my Folk my like kind of attitude towards it like I'm gonna watch every single if I've already fought Cory San Hagen I would watch and I would start you know 10 weeks out I'd watch every single one of his fights every second of the fight break it down. I'd probably spend You know 20 hours watching film and then I would take a little time and then I'll do it again And that take a little time and I do it again.

1:22:12I probably do it three times throughout the camp You're gonna figure out some some stuff like certain things like I was listening to a a John Jones clip It was just a sound bite of him talking about how he uh How he um analyze his film which to me. I think He's probably one of the best game planners in in the sport right now just with the way he breaks guys down But he was talking about something that was really interesting. He was like I even focus on How they flinch like if I if I throw a faint atom like how are they? flinching I've always thought about All right, how does the guy react to you know certain techniques defensively But he takes it to a whole nother level of all right if I if I fain a jab like does the guy flinch the same every time Like does he does he try to catch it or does he he slip one way or the other?

1:22:57It's like you can really you know break it down and it'll be more it's up It's just to me everybody's just like a puzzle to solve and you know Guy like San Hagen would obviously be more more difficult. He doesn't repeat as much But everybody has something you know, I have something everybody does Yeah, and I would imagine a computer and a some like chat gpt with artificial intelligence can be I'll see that better than anybody will out imagine yeah, and it could probably do it instantaneously versus having to spend 40 hours try to figure it out. I think we're the last natural people. I really do I think this is the last generation of natural people.

1:23:32Yeah people that have No connection to the outside world other than through electronics that you hold yeah, and I think in the future That's just not going to be the case. We're going to be a new version of human beings. Well, even if you look at uh So I'm a little old school like I love being outside. I like the outdoors. I like going out You know five miles into the mountains and just I got my bow and let's figure it out like let's figure out if I can make this happen and So I think about something like that and it's so Pure and and valuable to me that real human experience and there's a lot of obviously hunting is a great example But there's a lot of different examples that you know, you can have that and fighting is a good example.

1:24:14Mm -hmm but Like it would be nice to have a GPS in my brain Yeah, have onics in my my brain yeah, and walk your coordinates or like something where I could you know Play a perfect elk bugle Right and a perfect calc all to where it's like doesn't have a human error, right? Yeah, but there's something fun about creating it yourself It is yeah, I mean, this we're gonna gain something and we're gonna lose something just like I'm sure We lost something by having the ability to fly across the country instead of taking a fucking wagon train Well, there's so many things just health wise that I think have a huge impact like look at a Hydrogenated oils, right like Hydrogenated oils, you know vegetables and can oil that stuff is like motor oil and now use it for food as preservative like I don't think the people that initially did that were Understood the health repercussions of it the same way like having Something in your brain that's putting out 10 ,000 XEMFs like how there's gonna be other problems to solve for sure and You know, maybe it's It's not it nothing's gonna be like wholly good or wholly bad, but it's a mixture of it But that like you said it's kind of just the way it's going.

1:25:31Yeah, it's the reality of it He doesn't seem like it's gonna be able to be stopped It just seems like human beings have this insatiable thirst for innovation Everybody wants the latest greatest thing and everything is constantly moving forward. Yeah, and I just think I think it's hard for us to see it because we're in it, but I think where do you know like Ever see what they take like Like a bowl almost and they spin like a marble around it and it goes around the circle And then as it gets lower it goes faster and faster and faster and faster faster That's where we are yeah exponential yeah the exponential increase up here is when they invented the wheel Yeah, right we are at AGI artificial general intelligence.

1:26:16It's like spinning at a sane rate and we're in the middle of it as biological human beings that are used to a certain Timeline we're used to getting up in the morning going to work doing our things We have timelines and we think of the world as being kind of static linear, right? No Well, I think that so I read this before and I think there was a study that backed it, but humans we can't understand things that Naturally we we can maybe be taught, but we're our natural Understanding of like something like compound interest like we don't get that that's why a lot of people think All right, I'm not gonna invest and put you know 5 ,000 or 7 ,000 bucks into a Roth IRA Like what's that gonna do for me, but but in reality like in 30 years It's gonna be 5 million or something like that, but so we don't have a natural inclination to think that way and so I feel like with with what you just said where you know How many?

1:27:14Like a hundred years ago Like imagine you showed somebody an iPhone It's like and what's it and and you know even what not even a hundred years ago imagine 20 years ago If you showed somebody an iPhone it's like that's not all that's such a short amount of time. Yeah, that's incredible because if you look at Let's say like zero to 1500 Not that Crazy of a difference right or even like zero to 1800 like until the industrial revolution really right Okay, we're still getting around on boats and wagons and things like that All right, but that's that wouldn't really blow your mind too much like oh they got a nicer boat or crazy or wagon It's like okay now I see a train okay now I see an automobile now I see like plain okay now we got an iPhone It's like whoa like now I can FaceTime somebody in New Zealand.

1:28:04It's like What is happening? Yeah, yeah, what's it gonna be in like you said? I think it's a good it's days go slow like years go fast Don't five years. It's like you know the technology is already so different. It's gonna be The wildest friggin's gonna be like the world is this battle where these enormous companies are trying to control the population Yeah, because when people protest about things and people aren't on board with things it fucks up their ability to make money So they're trying to get as much control over what people say and do as possible And the governments are stepping in and trying to get as much say and control Over these internet companies as possible and you see this integration of the FBI and Twitter with the Twitter files It's like boy, there's a battle going on stuff scares me man.

1:28:51It should part of part of it like my initial reaction is I gotta do whatever I can do to like help and make this make this positive and and Not let like evil people take over and then part of me is like Do you're like 27 year old Emma May fighter Let's settle down. Yeah, just still out. Cuts you to kick it out. Yeah, yeah exactly so you know, it's like a balance right? I mean we all have our day -to -day life of family and things going on and you know got to get oil change on your car And things like that and then it's like all right. Well, there's also like Pretty significant evidence that we have some extra terrestrials flying around like yeah or that people are There's pretty much explicit evidence that certain certain people and organizations are trying to Mass manipulate the entire population and and and make it you know What I forget what they call it but basically like whatever the The the thing where they're like making all the world like I don't know.

1:29:54Do you know I'm talking about the What's the organism world order world economic forum world economic forum and they're talking about the I don't remember what their whole plan was but basically like Make horrible control. Yeah, the control right. Yeah, it's spooky and when it comes from a guy like Cloud Schwab who dresses like a villain from Star Wars and talks like a Nazi How many more people don't pay attention to that? He seems like of like so on the nose. Is that a real person? The complies that that was actually Borla from fires. Oh, wasn't the same guy. No Borla from Pfizer was talking about a pill that you would take Like say if you took a pill some sort of pharmaceutical pill and the pill has a signal that it sends To people that it shows that you took it and then it's like imagine the compliance.

1:30:41Hey man. Fuck you. Yeah. No, thanks I'm good. No, you're lucky. You're still alive with that kind of talk. Yeah, seriously No, that's a sin real threat to freedom with that kind of talk like obviously Your drugs have not gone through the rigorous tests that you claim they have because the side effects that people experience from a lot of your Fucking drugs are dangerous as shit and if you're fast tracking drugs and then imagine the compliance on these fast tracking drugs with By the way the crazy thing when it comes to things like vaccines. There's no repercussions. You can't even sue no And it's like okay.

1:31:16Let's say let's say it really does go down and they get in trouble and they made $11 billion Okay, they get fine five billion exactly net positive on their mind. They're like I don't give a crap That's exactly what happened with Viox right yeah, which you know guy medsker took that shit and guy medsker at a stroke Do you remember guy medsker from back in the day? Yeah, he had a fucking stroke from vio cheese Yeah, it was in his 30s. I'm so skeptical and I feel like very glad that I'm the age I am because I feel like people a little older than me um They got that heavy and they didn't really see a lot of the repercussions like they were the ones that got the negative ends of it And I think a lot of people um like at least My age are They didn't it maybe maybe their parents were a little more awake to that type of thing or um, but for sure It's like huge now like I see on Instagram every single Person I see is like by and ten acres Homestead and getting chickens like no drinking raw milk like that you know eaten beef liver like that that's the trend now people are starting to see like I'm not gonna do it.

1:32:24I'm not gonna freaking eat McDonald's and yeah take these drugs and do this crap like I'm out Well, that was one of the craziest things about like that interview that I have with Peter Hotez Where's telling everybody's got to get vaccinated and take these medications like what are you doing for your body? Yeah, do you work out? What do you eat? Needs junk food and he doesn't work out like this is crazy You think you're gonna medicate your way to health? That's never happened. It's not how it works man. It doesn't work at all. It takes that it takes effort It's like you don't know you just gotta and the thing is too.

1:32:52It's like If you just stay on top of it a little bit. Yeah, you're gonna be good like I'm not I'm not worried about getting the flu I'm not worried about my wife getting the flu. I'm not like dude I never I never get sick. I don't know about you but like yeah very once a year I have something like a little sniffle or something, but other than that like I feel very freaking good Yeah, and I'm taking care of myself and all the people that I'm around Everybody is like a professional athlete or a coach who's still a very active competing It's like we're all like that But that's why I was so crazy when they're mandating it for the NFL Like what the fuck are you talking about these guys are in the we gonna feel COVID What dude yeah like what's uh to me?

1:33:32It's it's a weird thing because it got people It tugged at their heart shrieks so much. Oh, I don't want to kill my grandmother. There's not I understand that like I definitely We we don't want people that are at risk to be sick We don't want those people sick regardless like if it's COVID never happened You don't want those people to get sick anyways So But why is it all of a sudden like this whole thing everybody's freaking out when it's Nobody's dying of this and I was a mass psych psychology experiment. Yeah, it really was and Fortunately, they learned a lot right learned a lot about how quickly people roll over yeah Well, I hope that there are more people now to that feel more skeptical and more inclined to you know ask questions and feel like you know they feel like they can just make a decision What's best for them based on the information rather than the Emotion emotional response right like that so so many people got got the emotion of it And and they didn't actually look into it and I was glad like that You know, I feel like you said a good example and and people that you're around of getting the information out there It's like I don't really care what You want to think like this is the right info This is this is the truth and that's what people should know they should just know the facts if this is good for you Great if this is terrible for you.

1:34:54Okay, cool. Now we know like and pay very close attention to people that are fighting Against the truth. Yeah fighting against that information because what's interesting about now And one of things that McKenna talked about is with with the internet is that I don't think anybody ever anticipated things like podcast like the Hubertman show or Peter Tia show or Lex Friedman show where you you're getting Unbiased information Scientific information that is not connected to any official Government agency or new source where they're vetting all that and telling you what you can't can't say And when you do say something that goes against their narrative they fucking come for you hard Wild, but what they don't understand is People don't believe them.

1:35:42So it just look at what's happened to CNN CNN's fallen apart. Nobody nobody believes them Oh, you're propaganda you guys are full shit. Yeah, you don't give a fuck about the truth and people started to realize too It's like okay if somebody can make money off something if they're getting paid for for for this and that You can't trust that information right there. Okay. Like this is their livelihood on the line All right, take everything they say with a grain of salt. It's like you know, you got to get information from people Who have no financial interest in it Otherwise, it's like you don't know you have no idea.

1:36:15Yeah, but it's it is a great time though to get information because you're getting Like I talked about Hubertman who's so fucking fantastic. Yeah, you're getting Unbiased source Information from a legitimate scientist from Stanford who's telling you this works and this is why it works and these specific nutrients are Responsible for these specific things that happen in your body This was never available before and now it's available four millions and millions of people I mean the Hubertman's podcast is gigantic and he said the people who listening to it every day They're changing their life. They're doing cold plunges and sauna and eating well And they are eating healthy foods.

1:36:53There are avoiding seed oils and right and people are seeing these immense Physical benefits from it health benefits from it. Yeah, it's it's super exciting You know has somebody who I feel like as an athlete I kind of had to be a little head of the curve on that Just because I wanted to take care of myself and so you know The the cold plunges the sauna the nutrition the you know, what's good for you? What's bad for you understanding certain things It was like now I see like a good like my mom and dad are doing cold plunger morning now and I'm like let's go Like that's what I'm talking about my parents have done sauna that don't do cold plugs.

1:37:28They won't do I'm like come on Yeah, come on. I go. I'll get you one. We'll put it at 50 degrees. Just do a little bit. Yeah, just doing for 30 seconds So I've got them thinking about it. Okay, listen, you'll feel happier. Yeah, you'll feel happy. No, I love so my Me and my buddy Anthony we do so for us our schedule Wednesday is just recovery day and So we'll go in we'll do like some some contrast We're tinkering with it a little bit. We're gonna start doing some like huberman protocols with sauna cold plunge and stuff and the best ever is You we do foot like five minute rounds on the cold plunge so we go a little long but The best ever is we do Like 15 or so minutes of we call it shiver time after so go cold Just shiver and freaking shake and then like you let your body kind of come back and regulate and get warm And then you then we go in a hot shower and I'm like I Feel so good I know right I can't like you can't be this is amazing so you for a feeling if you get a pill that would make you feel that good Everybody would be taking it you're talking to be like bow.

1:38:31Well, we need to give you a happy take this happy Yeah, 50 milligrams of happy in the morning and then 50 milligrams of happy at dinner Yeah, and you'll be happy. Yeah, well, I think they have that's like freaking heroin stuff right? I think that's different That makes you crash your car and fight with cops What what what co plunge does is just without any negative side effects it elevates your mood ramps up your dopamine The last but the ramps up your dopamine by 200 % and it lasts for hours. Yeah, I feel great when I do that I mean I've been doing it for a long time. So now it's like But I look forward to it still every week.

1:39:06I'm like nice. Let's go. Yeah, I look forward to it too And tell him right about to get in My put the pussy part of my fray. It's like, oh, maybe you should like find a good song to let's do I like put it off. Oh, yeah, my buddy Anthony the guy mentioned. Oh, he's such a savage. He'll So the hell we go in first just hop in and he'll go like up to his chin and we have the jets and stuff So it's freaking going and do you have a blue cube? No, we just have so At Penn State we have like a recovery room And there's just a hot tub and a cold tub So they're like think like a regular hot tub in the ground with crazy jets But it's okay 40 degrees or whatever 38 degrees.

1:39:46Mm -hmm. And so it's kind of similar I think yeah, very so less compact. So probably a little less intense but uh, so we'll sit in that and He'll go like up. I used to go like to my belly button or to my chest and he would go to his chin every time And I'll just be like, I'm like, I'm a pussy So good now now I go up to my neck, but it's good that we do it together because sometimes I'm like I don't want to do it yesterday. I had a climb under sheets of ice. Oh, I had to get under it because I have at my house. I have a morosco And the morosco is 34 degrees and what happens is on cold days like yesterday morning it was like 34 degrees out So when I got in it all the ice from the bottom forms and then floats up to the top So I've got this you know three -inch thick slabs of ice and I had to climb in and lift the ice up and slide under it So there's literally like these huge sheets of ice that three inches thick they're right in front of my face I'm like fucking fuck fuck fuck But you also feel cool that you can do it.

1:40:52Yeah, I love the fact that I can talk myself into doing it every I did it right before I came here I do it every goddamn day And when I do it every day I do it before workouts. That's my thing now I do it first thing in the morning, right and There's there's been some studies. Was it out of Japan that they had those studies that showed it ramped up Testosterone pretty significantly. Okay, significant increase in testosterone when you do the cold plunge pre workout So do the cold plunge pre workout and the what I do is I do have a series of bodyweight exercises that I do the warm Bodyweight squats pushups.

1:41:25You don't go hot after you just warm up from working out No, I don't do hot until after I'm done training done done. I like to do hot with elevated heart rate Oh, yeah, I like to do hot like right after do rounds in the bag I like to finish my workout with tobadas. Yep, so either I finish my workout with tobadas on an air dine bike or Heavy bag and then once I do that then I like to go in when I'm lit like you know 90 beats per second or per minute rather And I go right in when I'm already my heart's already pounding and then I get in that one and 185 degrees and just throw some water on the rocks and fuck and suck it up at the wrestling style.

1:42:01Yeah That's how we do it. Yeah, look if you want it to be effective It's got to be difficult. I mean that that's when you're doing with cold and heat exposure It can't be comfortable. It's got a suck of fat dick and that's the only way to do it Still the way I love stuff like that. That's just It's just hard that I know other people aren't aren't willing to do yeah, it makes um It makes me feel like I'm really Living life because if everything's just comfortable and easy and you never really that stressed and your bodies never put under any pressure You're just kind of floating and you're you're good and I'm like I would Freakin blow my brains out if I had to live that way like yeah, I got to do hard things all the time Yeah, you know, I got always it's and I think that a lot of people are starting to Get more into that where their priority isn't comfort.

1:42:53Yes, you know like I'm not I think for a long time in human history The priority was just keep stay alive and yes if you can be a little comfortable then that's great But they were in circumstances where 80 % of their life was really difficult already So when they got that comfort they enjoyed it. Yeah, when you can sit on a couch in front of the fire of teachers Fucking bust in your ass all day exhausted. That's when comfort is appreciated Exactly valuable and it means something to you right and when you got that when when when humans were able to get that easily through you know cars and grocery stores and and planes and things where you know everything was kind of at cell phones at your hand Like that stuff is such a distraction.

1:43:35Yeah, I'm being the best version of yourself Exactly, and that's really I think one of the only ways that a person is happy if they are being the best version of self and that takes work My friend Michael Easter has been a Guess on this podcast before wrote a book called the comfort crisis and it's all about that this this bizarre place that we are Where so many people are just seeking comfort and taking the path of least resistance trying to do things the easiest way possible And people have never been more depressed never been more unhappy never been more unsatisfied more lost More existential crisis and it's got to be connected to that because I think the human body and the human mind Have requirements in terms of you need tasks and you need difficult things to do and if you don't do those things There's a contrast you don't enjoy the easy moments unless you have hard moments.

1:44:25Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean I know for a fact. That's true because If I were to just go Eat it in an out cheeseburger like it would be nice it'd be good, but After I go through a full flight camp and I cut 20 pounds and then I go Went a fight and then I had to end it out and have that cheeseburger Like hell yeah, this is so good. Yeah, and I'm like, but I don't want too much of that like I don't want I don't want too much of the The dopamine from other things for whatever it is because and then it's just not as good right like I like so when I was in high school I probably like my senior high school we had homecoming and and prom and like I think I drank a little bit There and then I told myself I'm like all right.

1:45:12Let's lock it up. I'm gonna go five years of college I'm not having a sip of alcohol like nothing and So I went all five years didn't go to bars didn't party no alcohol nothing just straight up focus and and that was it and then I remember My buddy and I anything the guy keep bringing up we both oh one national titles are senior year and the next week We went out and we had a freaking time. It was like I learned you yearned it. Yeah, yeah, really earned it and yeah And now I'm like back on that grind where I'm like nothing like I'm not doing you know, I'm no alcohol Like go to a wedding. I want a cigar.

1:45:51Sorry about no cigar like like none of that stuff and I love being able to do that like a lot of times. I'll talk in my head like damn it'd be nice to like I mean this Fat ribeye like have a glass of wine and wine down and I'm like No, no, you need to like earn this right like I don't like giving myself those little edges where I know I'm sacrificing something Yeah, I mean that's what makes a champion. Yeah, it's fun too. Hey, I wanted to talk to you about Sam Calvita I'm very fascinated by that guy Because I've seen some of the footage of the training sessions that they put on in his garage with TJ Dillishaw and Juan Archileta and a lot of those guys that go down there and train with him and it just seems like he's got very unusual Strength and conditioning approaches.

1:46:38Yeah, he's the man coach Cal I don't even like to talk about the garage because it's like PTSD like seriously, you know like I feel like the trauma that I've lived in my life has been through You know, I've been very fortunate. So I haven't been any certainly like real trauma, but like in my mind the real trauma is like losing at competitions and these crazy hard training sessions and The garage really do like bro he kills him every time and it's interesting that it is just like a two car garage So yeah, you just roll up to his house pull up a video of Sam Calvita the garage. Yeah He's he's got everything just kind of organized and stacked in there and you've got world class fighters That are training with this guy in this fucking garage.

1:47:27Mm -hmm. He just let it play Yeah, he uh He's on different breed of human being coach Cal. He's you should have him on he's I would love to he's like the best He's literally the best guy in the world. Coach Cal. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll talk to him about it too Because yeah show some of the footage of the actual training But it's it's a very humble little place. Yep. It's not big at all. Just do the work This TJ before before you had to go through massive shoulder surgery. Yeah, I feel terrible for that guy. I know No, rough. Well, I knew he had his super spin -ances had been torn on both shoulders.

1:48:04Yeah early in his career And I think that you know the hard part is some guys are are a little too tough for their own good with coach Cal You can really you got to be very that's it. Yeah, you got to communicate with him back up so we can see that garage again Because it's kind of crazy just it's kind of crazy This is like one of the most respected strength and conditioning establishments in the world And it's a normal Suburban home with a two car garage and that is where all these people go to train with one of the best training strength and conditioning coaches in the world Yeah, so last time I was down there um He's like Hey, uh, you want to get a workout?

1:48:48I was doing a bunch of testing and stuff for like baseline for a v .o. 2 and all different types of things He's like hey, oh you want to uh, you know go get a workout and we'll go down to the beach. It'll be fun You know, we have some to do some sand workouts and stuff like it's not like that. It's not that crazy. It's like it's like a fun one I'm like all right. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So he's like okay me in my house for 45 minutes and he's very like so soft spoken and I'm like okay. Yeah, no problem. Let's do it. I'm solo so it's like just me and which I don't know I think it makes it worse because we're with people.

1:49:17It's like right you suffer you know they're doing it too Right, right and so I show up and his guys garage door open and he's got like the big ass, you know 70 to 120 pound Med Balls set out and like all this stuff and I'm like What's up, coach? Like he's like I was like, oh, we're gonna go to the beach. He's like, oh no, I changed my words can do I'm like you set up a big you got me bro. He literally like destroyed me dude. It was like He always does this thing too where It goes zero to 100 at the beginning like it's not like too much to where you're gonna get injured or anything But like the workout workout would be like all right hop on this boasts who ball and I'm gonna throw this 70 pound Med Ball at you as hard as I can You're gonna catch it and throw it back to me and we're just gonna freaking get after it or hold on to this 50 pound Med Ball and hop backwards up this hill.

1:50:02It's like Start going go go and he's like very and you're like oh go go go and you'll go for Like an hour or you know hour and 15 minutes doing what every says and he's like all right good warm -ups done Now let's lay know let's let's do it and dude his little warm -ups done bro I'm not kidding like hour and 15 minutes of hell and that's the warm -up. Yeah, so I'm trying to think like of I don't want to give away like his stuff, but uh some like so I get so I did that one workout I did that for basically like an hour just heavy Med Ball stuff and then um We did a bunch of uh What was it we did like some some heavy lifts after that and then from there he gets his sled out And he's like all right, we're gonna push the sled and he doesn't tell you like how far you're gonna go or anything and So we just start pushing the sled and so we go all the way up the Up that up the hill and around the corner.

1:50:57So you see this road right behind him So we go up that road all the way around the corner and We're meet it's me and Anthony. We're going back and forth on uh on the sled It's like push till you fail push till you fail We probably did it 60 times each like just to get up around this corner and we're like oh we're done like finally We got and then he's like all right turn around now. We're gonna do pull. I'm like Like come on so then we pulled it all the way back and uh Then I'm like all right finally like we're done and he goes okay bike time hop on the bike And this is like two hours and 30 minutes in and I'm like Jesus.

1:51:28Okay. Is there too much work though? So he I think that when we when we live in Pennsylvania, right? So we're not there every day So when we go out there he likes to stick it to us a little bit He's still like he's like see if you're tough enough for the garage type thing I'm like coach. I've been working with you for six years like I think I'm I think I'm kind of tough But he's like uh, but whenever we go out there, he kind of you give us a business a little bit But I could imagine but is there a concern though that that would require too much recovery time if that's not a regular part of your routine I think that um It if it's if it's just like a one -time thing a lot of times it's not you know Like we're traveling out there to get testing done things like that like when we're doing our actual program It's back home in Pennsylvania So then we'll get maybe one workout with him out in Cali.

1:52:17So he's like Just Freakin hammer us. Let's go and then all right now you got like a few days like Travel back home you're rested right, you know go get to your normal workout like our normal workouts aren't that crazy They're but what is the benefit of like that long of a training session other than mental I think it's mental and it's and it's like afterwards So you can't even really be you know after a good workout. You're like feel good I think that it's just seeing how far you can push yourself like all right Where can I get and then let's go further? Let's go further. Let's go further. Let's like just See where you can go because I don't feel like physically.

1:52:56It's like a it's not a physical benefit thing Like I'm not taking and a lot of times too. He's teaching us a lot of new things that we're implementing in the program So he might do three like three or four different things that are different days for us But we have to learn them and how to do the exercises there and we only have one day to do it So now it's like we're doing all of this and one whereas now I'll go back home and this will be split up So he's trying to teach us stuff as well, but it's more just like Hey, man, you want to work with me? Let's see if you're tough You think you're a tough guy like all right.

1:53:26We'll see when you have these very brutal training sessions Are you using heart rate monitors? Are you monitoring your heart rate variability? Are you monitoring your recovery rate your resting heart rate to make sure that you're not overtraining or you Yeah, yeah, everything's monitored. Yeah, so he has a program. He has an app and anybody can use it actually It was just pretty cool. So I think it's just training lab app and Yeah, you get a heart rate monitor from him and so for me when I'm in camp and training I keep my heart rate and and all that information gets sent to him So I can look at it if I want But he's the one that's analyzing it and looking at it and making sure that everything's good and It's very open dialogue like a big thing in Combat sports and wrestling and stuff is uh You don't really say like oh, I'm kind of feeling I'm kind of tired like you just you just tough it out But if you're a real professional like you need to be in communication and say like certain things like oh, okay, so a good example A couple camps ago so we up my overall vault weekly volume as a Kind of the camp goes on and I got to a point where I was pretty friggin tired feeling it and uh I actually broke out and like herpes because I was stressed my body was stressed and he was like all right Well now we found like your limit So now our overall volume for the week like this is kind of where we stop So we know what you can do and so there's a lot of Analyzing a lot of science and algorithms and different things that he utilizes and fortunately for me like I don't have to learn all those things.

1:54:58He's the expert. So I just trust him Yeah, well, that's great. It's that's a definitely a great thing to have and it's amazing that he's got this app that he can monitor when you're not even there Yeah, no, it's huge because obviously being in different places and stuff and I don't want to guess like I don't want to guess whether or not I'm ready to go or rather not I'm doing everything in an optimal way I want to know for fact and that's why we do Her analysis for Minerals and tissue and things like that. That's why we test our our VO2s. That's why we test our crossover points and our resting metabolic rates and things like this You know, that's why we do all those things because I'm not interested in guessing I'm not interested in kind of Feeling like I've done everything right right now.

1:55:44Right right right How do you because you're saying you essentially organize everything yourself when you're back at home How do you decide like when to do strength and conditioning when to do skill acquisition when to do specific drills? so Because I have trained so much and so long and because my dad was a coach so my dad was always putting programs together for his teams understanding peaking understanding how to periodize understanding when we want to have tough matches when we want to push ourselves That was something I was always around and then coming into Penn State was like that on steroids and so um I think a lot of it is just learned and absorbed from what I've been around and uh just seeing like a typical schedule of When when our coaches have had us do certain things and when we've had recovery days and stuff So you know, it's not something that I've like really had to go find It's just been ingrained in me since I was five and you know, I had a good example with my dad because he coached tons and tons of high school state champions state championship teams and guys who were you know compete went on to compete in college and and do big things.

1:56:56So I got that solid idea of what it takes to organize a program very young and then you know like I said when I got to college I was like okay, here's a new level then I started working with coach Cal boom new level and now I'm always like kind of looking for things to To up that to do better to improve to add in and uh or or things that they know maybe aren't serving me as much anymore And we kind of do away. So it's just something that's on my mind. It's like that's my job my job is to take care of Myself. This is my profession. Okay. I want to choose this path Now you got to take all of the responsibility that comes with that And be a professional so that that's kind of how I feel like I've been able to organize it the way I have And when you organize these training sessions like how do you organize recovery?

1:57:45Do you organize it based on the data that you're getting from the app and from your heart rate monitor? Like how are you doing that or is it just like a thing that you do every day? I have a weekly schedule so everything's scheduled out for the week and Typically the weeks are very it's like a similar base right so like Monday. I'll I'll get two sessions Tuesday. I'll get I'll get two sessions Wednesday recovery. I'm off Thursday Two sessions Friday one Saturday one Sunday off and those sessions are all different right like Monday, I typically the morning is like striking afternoon wrestling Tuesday morning spar afternoon lift Off Wednesday Thursday morning grappling afternoon light wrestling Friday my heavier spar day Saturday lift Sunday off So you always like to take two days off a week?

1:58:37That's the standard. Yeah, that's that's for me What I feel like is the right move and I think people people are doing too much honestly people are going every day twice a day and it's like not really to me manageable reasonable and I think they're over trained. How did you come to those conclusions? It was it through data or was it through trial and error? Well that two days off Comes from coach cowl. Yeah, that's from him and all of his data and his trial and error and also like From from Penn State from our program and how we've run things and stuff So that was a standard for me as soon as I got to college two days and Do you take those days off?

1:59:16Are you watching tape? Are you studying things? Yeah, so um Wednesday is more of an active recovery. So I'll I'll go in and I'm really fortunate because my buddy Anthony me and him are on this exact same schedule So we always just do everything together which is great because now I have some a partner to do all these things with but we have a bunch of Like basically body weight exercises and stretches and certain things that we do Alongside the contrast tubbing and sauna and then I'll either get a massage or go to the chiro and you know basically just take care of all the little things I need to you know if I got um like I have Specific injuries I need to focus on that that to me like you get a injury you don't just Do rehab for eight weeks and then move on like I'm always taking care of these things so that I'd never have Reactivated I'm staying ahead and so that's the day where I do all of that stuff and then Sunday is is is nothing Sunday I just I go to church I hang out with my wife and and see my family Maybe do like a Sunday dinner with people and that's more of like an emotional mental recovery.

2:00:23Yeah Now what has the UFC said in terms of like setting you up for a fight in the future. Do you have do you have anything lined up? Yeah, yeah, so no pony yet, but I'm gonna fight UFC 300. Oh That's a big one. I know. Yeah, April right? Yeah, April. Yeah. Yeah. Do they is that Vegas? Yes Nice. Yeah, I'm fired up. That's gonna be fun and no pony. Yeah. No, are you asking? For a specific level of opponent are you trying to get someone in the top 15 like what are you trying to do? So my goal for this next fight is You know just whoever they give me. I'm still on my first contract So I kind of want to fight this out and then see and then see as it goes, but I would like to fight through that contract I have two left.

2:01:05Okay. Yeah, so it was four So I would like to fight this fight and then my next fight I would like to get somebody that's maybe Right outside the rankings right in there like in the mix and then hopefully that'll be ideally like July and then if I get I'll at least get one more next year maybe two and then I would like to after that obviously fight a ranked guy So hopefully like a ranked guy my third fighter next year and how much time are you looking to have in between fights? Well, I told my men draw is like if they could book me For UFC Miami in March and go again in April because I feel like I'm gonna whoever they put in front of me I'm gonna kill him So let's do it.

2:01:44They're like they don't really do that. Isn't that and like he's like so you can either Just do the UFC Miami card and then hopefully something maybe something will fall out and you'll get there Or you can like guarantee yourself on 300 and I was like well, I'd rather I really want to fight on UFC 300. So let's just do that um, so that's April May, June, July so then and I'll basically basically run those back to back And then after that I don't want to plan like too far ahead because Who knows what happens in MMA right but after that. I mean, I'm ready to go if I'm finished a guy again Let's go again.

2:02:17That's kind of how I feel well the division that you're in the 185 pound division is so exciting right now when when Strickland beat out of sonya and opened it up and when Dreckus duplicy beat down Robert Whitaker like a lot of things opened up. Yeah, this is a very very exciting time Yeah, it is it is I I feel like you know There's a there's a lot of good guys um, but I like where I'm at. I think I'm a tough matchup for any of these guys and They all want to fight me now because I'm the worst that I'll be right so you know you hear you hear some of these guys talking about me and stuff like They want to fight me now.

2:02:51I'm like that's that's smart, you know because Where I'm at right now is not gonna be where I'm at in six months. It's not gonna be where I'm at in a year Well, that's why I'm so excited to see you in April. Yeah, because you got so good two fucking years and it's like What's gonna happen to you in that with the six months off or seven months off? Yeah, and I'm I'm not the type of guy like to just Training camp like I'm always on it obviously, right? So I'm always getting better and improving but It's really was just gigantic. Yeah, it's check that's where the real gains are made exactly I agree for sure and you know, it's interesting because I've had five professional fights You know, I don't know what somebody's gonna game plan for it's like all right you watch me beat five guys basically and like Six minutes combined total time Like okay study that bud like good luck and I'm not even gonna be the same like I'm not even right I'm taking however many months That's like 40 % of my total training time in my career So like I don't know man.

2:03:49I'm not even gonna be close to what I was this last fight and even this last fight You got 30 seconds to watch so it's so bananas that you've gone this far and just a couple of you haven't even been hit yet No seriously go back and watch my fights So my last fight I cracked a dude with the right hook and he kind of came over the top and like barely touched my head But it was already like it wasn't even it was almost like a slap like I didn't even feel it But I don't even count that like I have not been hit in five Professional fights two amateur fights. I've been hit out of training obviously, but um Head it's a weird I didn't expect this I expected like I said to have a different path But here I am and I'm gonna make the most of it and I'm like I'm excited like to Just keep getting better is the main thing.

2:04:31I just want to keep getting better improve improve improve Yeah big goals and stuff, but the main thing is just keep getting better Well, I'm a fan man. I'm very excited to watch this one more thing I want to talk to you about is how'd you get into bow hunting? Yeah, so um I grew up my dad and granddad hunted and they were interested in hunting and stuff and so when I Graduated college in 2019. I was kind of thinking like all right I want to figure out other things I'm interested in and I actually saw uh I saw camhands on Instagram and I was like oh this looks cool like I like you know I kind of always have enjoyed the outdoors and stuff and I've always been into my nutrition and I was really interested I was like I want to like hunt for my food did I eat?

2:05:14I want to be eating elk and deer and things like that and so uh then I was started thinking about getting a bow and stuff and I wasn't like a Rush decision. I took probably like almost like six or eight months where I was like thinking about thinking about Think about it and then I finally was like all right like I really want this like I'm gonna do it and so Then I got hooked up with Lancaster archery. They're great archery shop. Yeah great place. I buy a lot of my shit from now They're awesome and so uh as this an elk hunt you went on this was New Mexico this year. Yeah. Oh wow Is that your first elk hunt?

2:05:48First archery elk Archery elk hunt in New Mexico for the first one is a mate. That's the promised land. Yeah, it was great man nice It was awesome. Yeah, that was uh that was the September Yeah, you're all hooked up. Look at you dude. It's so funny. Yes, he bow. Yeah, you're ready to go man. I'm ready to go. Yeah. What was that like man? It's like the exact same feeling as knocking somebody out cold. It's one of the most exciting things I've ever done It's so fun. It's so crazy So running is just it's so it's also so complicated so difficult. Yeah, so many moving parts. It's a dance Oh my gosh, so many things happening.

2:06:24Should I stand here by the tree? Which ways are you coming? Yeah, you know with the wind and right range you do have a chance to range them Where I'm I gonna just like range areas and yes, am I gonna pin gap on what I'm gonna do? I love that chess match to you know between you and the animal It's the same as a fight and uh actually like when I got my bow It was probably junior July and I started shooting it and I was like Yeah, I'm not doing this this this fall like I'm gonna get good. I'm gonna get good So I took I took a year and a half basically of a full training Before I even did any archery hunting.

2:06:57Do you have an archery coach? I don't have a coach. No, but I uh Watch like all the the knock -down like school knock. Mm -hmm So I watched tons of film on that and then Dudley's the man. He's great. Yeah Like he's it's so funny because there's like a not that many people I look up to You know, it's like but him. He's like I'm like dude. This guy's like he's the man. Yeah, yeah, I'm like I saw I think it was last year He killed four bulls in four different states. I'm like dude I need to do that like that's amazing, but uh I just thought that was that was the coolest thing but when I go to Lancaster they help me a ton So they help me get set up correctly and things like that which now when I tell people who asked me about it Who are interested in doing archery?

2:07:36I say the most important thing is go to a good archery shop and get set up And have them teach you like good kind of fundamentals. Yes, you can tinker with everything and but you don't want to learn bad No, you shouldn't have to unlearn it. Yeah, like all the other stuff, you know tinker in like What do you want your your what do you want to use for a release or stabilizer like just get set up get your drawing correct Get your p -pipe, you know get get get get everything put on get your grip right and have a good starting point and good foundation And then you can kind of go from from there. You're gonna be on so much better trajectory if you're Learning incorrectly from the jump so I was able to learn correctly from the beginning and then it's the same thing with with striking I just apply everything I know with wrestling and now that's Hunting an archery for for me and I freaking love it.

2:08:24All I want to do is Go fight people knock them out and go chase Elk and yeah, that's awesome man What we kind of brought heads using? So I've been using a rage hybrid armic. I like them. They get the job done That's what I shot that bull with I mean it was a frontal shot straight through the heart So any broadhead would have done the trick, but uh, I don't know man. I'm always open to like Learning new things. I think there's different reasons to use different types of broadheads, right like I shoot a 80 pounds and I have a pretty long draw link. So mechanical like I'm not that worried about penetration right But you know in a longer shot or a follow -up shot I have iron wheels as well for for a longer follow -up where I'm more worried about something like that and then you know Like I said, it's gonna be different for every animal for every situation So I think some people get so stuck on like this is the way to go.

2:09:15It's like well I mean, it's different for everybody like if I have a 30 and a half inch draws can be different than somebody with a 27 inch draws can be different. Somebody shooting 65 right versus 80 pounds. It's like you know, it's all it's all so I'm not married to anything really That's great and what kind of release you're using? I is a knock to it. Thumbelace. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I love that Can't go wrong. No, I feel like so I wasn't originally using the index release But once I started using the thumb release. I just got so much more accuracy and consistency And it was like I mean that that was just to me the way to go Yeah, I killed my bowl last one with a knock to it.

2:09:53I think it's just it's such a great release I really do like the two fingers to yeah, yeah, do you use the silver back at all? I used to I trained with that just for training. I learned how to really shoot correctly That's a John put me on initially. Yeah, that's it. So I have one I haven't really like set it up because you got to fiddle with it a little bit to get the pounded right and all that but I feel like I want I wouldn't use it for hunting But I want to use it for training and it's very good to make sure that you're pulling hard against the back wall Get a full clean release. Yeah, with the follow through it's the best feeling.

2:10:23Yeah, yeah, I love that man But I've hunted with it too. Have you yeah, Jocco hunts with that. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah a lot of guys still like to hunt with it Yeah, yeah, dude. I would love to go out with you guys. I think a guy said um, I know a guy who his name is Rick. He uh, I don't know if he owns a place. There's the connection in Utah, but yeah Rick would Rick. Yeah, okay. He wants me to come out with you guys um this last fall, but I uh, I already had my New Mexico hunt setup so but dude, it would be fun. I would just freaking hang out and pack out. Yeah, it would be fun Yeah, this is gonna be really fun But listen brother, uh, really appreciate you coming in here.

2:10:59I'm a big fan. I'm very excited about what you're doing And I'm really excited about your future So it's been cool to talk to you and I can't wait to see in April. Thank you 300. Let's go get it baby. I tell everybody you have a interesting Instagram handle. They might not be able to find it. Yeah, you can find me at no bickle once instead of bow nickel No bickle how did that happen? So it's kind of funny when I was in high school um, I just that was when Instagram kind of started getting big and I was like trying to figure out what I was just gonna do bow nickel or something my butt is there a bow nickel out there I don't think so, but on my buddy uh, his name is jack.

2:11:34He was like how about no bickle now? Like dude, that's it. So I can't take credit for the idea, but I'll just abandon with that one Well works. Uh, all right, dude. Well, thank you very much. Thanks for coming in here. Appreciate you. Thanks. All right. Bye everybody bickle