JRE MMA Show #152 with Sean Brady

25:50Like I'm not staying here. So yeah, that was a... What a wild time. But still it's still lingering. It's like sort of they're trying to bring it back in some ways. I still see people like in restaurants. I saw the other day a server was wearing a mask. I was like, what? Okay. The best is when you're in your car by yourself. Nuts. You're by yourself. Where are you now? There's no one around you. It's insane. Yeah. It's just insane. Yeah. Some people just lost their minds. I mean, they just broke a few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And but the hospital is like my wife's an RN and she said they're they're reinstate in the mass mandate.

26:25But I think it might be, there's flu, and then there's COVID and shit. So who is this not even scientific? That's the thing, it's not even based on science. Like you do it to make people feel better. Yeah, yeah. Because the science doesn't support mass use, it just doesn't. But before the Calvin fight, like three weeks in, I lost my taste in my smell. I'm like, I definitely have COVID. I've refused to test myself though. I'm like, I'm not testing myself, like I'm not doing it. Like I trained, and I'm like, If I, because if I tested myself and if I had it, then I'd be like, fuck, I feel a bad. Are they testing anybody?

26:57No, no, no, no. And I'm just sick. Like I'm just normal, like normal sick. Like you can get normal, and all I taste is metal for three weeks, but I'm like, I don't know what that is. Isn't it crazy though that it feels like normal sick, but because you have this label on. It's not the same COVID anymore, it's just not. And there's still treating it like it's this deadly disease. Yeah. I, I don't know, like I knew a few people who got, You got fucked up, but people also get fucked up from the flu. Yeah. People get fucked up from normal sicknesses. So, like, yeah, now it never I - I was just in bed for 10 days with the flu.

27:31Sick of shit. Sick of shit. Like, no one's shutting anything down. And that was, that's normal. But now, like you said, there's COVID's attached to that. Yeah. And if you post about it or you say shit about it, like these motherfuckers are trying to come at you and cancel you, so like, I try to like, on social media, you just got to kind of got to just Sit back and let these crazy ass people would just say their shit because there's just so many insane people social media They're so insane, yeah, and COVID just gives them an excuse to be a cunt. Yeah So many people an excuse just yell at people.

28:01We're starting to get tired of it though Like people like me and you and like people who want to just go about their life and like two weeks in I was back to my normal shit like I was running and I was doing all my shit like I thought like we weren't like I thought it was never going back like I'm like this is gonna be fucking nuts I would go to parks and they'd have the parks closed. I mean you're telling me I can't go run a wooden trail By myself there's people in the then it would start people would start coming out. They'll had mask on me You're in the woods and they were you were supposed to be six feet apart from each other like what the fuck are we doing here?

28:33It's so silly. They arrested a guy the Coast Guard got a guy who was surfing Just do's I'm like, oh, pipe self. On a fucking surfboard. And the coast card rolls up. What does it do? I'm like, yeah. Is this a good use of resources folks? Like, let's go, buddy. You're getting locked the fuck up. So dumb, yeah. But I'll never forget how dumb it was. It's like it's all kind of normalized now. Yeah, for sure. It was just a couple of years ago. Everybody had lost their minds. Well, we look back at, I'm like, it's not that long ago. Our whole country was just fucked up. And now we're just like, it's like it never happened.

29:06I'm like, this is crazy. Well, it's it seems always seems more Proposterous to MMA fighters or GJ2 guys or anybody who does anything that's actually dangerous Yeah, yeah, you're doing something dangerous all the time Yeah, yeah, and then all this and also you're in supreme health in condition Yeah, and then they ask you to do something ridiculous. Yep forever. Yep forever stay in your house for a year Like what that's the worst thing you can do. Yeah, they don't But they don't want they don't want you to be healthy. They want you to be fat. They want you to be lazy They don't they want you working out.

29:39They don't want you eating well They definitely want you to comply. Yeah, that was the most important thing Yeah, they wanted during that time they wanted full compliance from people yeah, and they could scare you into compliance That's the way they did it if I can work for a lot of people boy it did it scared the shit out of me because I was like Oh my god, we're there's so many pussy's out here. Yeah, there's so many people that will roll over for the government Yeah, what they're saying doesn't make any sense even if it's not scientific It's just really just heartening. But they even put us, like it was almost like a position where I'm like, damn, I'm not vaccinated.

30:09I'm like, am I gonna have to get this shot so I can fight? I'm like, then it's gonna come like, do I retire because I don't want this fucking shot? You know, it's like, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to do. So luckily it didn't come to that because choosing my career or getting that fucking shot, like I don't know what I would have did. But I almost got the shot. The whole UFC, the UFC staff, they've allocated Yeah, all these vaccines they had had it set up and so Dana and I were talking and goes if you want to give vaccinated We have before I go great. I wasn't even remotely hesitant to begin.

30:40Yeah, yeah, yeah and just by luck I get there on Saturday for the fight and I call the the doctor and I say hey Um, can you I thought they could do it for me at the arena? Yeah, so I was gonna do it get vaccinated and just go do your friends I mean like yeah, how back it would be yeah, I wasn't hearing anything bad about it and he said, no, we have to do it at the clinic. Can you come on Monday and I said, I have to go home. I go, but we'll be back in two weeks because we had fights in the States. And then within two weeks, they pulled it. Shake out bad. That's when they pulled it. When Johnson and Johnson's gone.

31:11And then I knew two dudes who got strokes, two guys. It's like, I was like, what is going on in here? So then I started getting a little weird and then I started like listening to these doctors. They were speaking out against this technology and then I listened to Dr. Robert Malone, who he owns nine patents in the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. And he had a very severe reaction to the vaccine. And he posted about his reactions, and then I had him on, and then people started getting mad at me. Yeah. This guy's a legit doctor. Yeah. Well, my mom's a nurse, too. And this episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery.

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33:11She got her like yearly flu shot and the chick who gave it to her like must have gave it to her wrong like fucked her shoulder up so like she had like problems in her shoulder and then it came to the, getting the COVID shot. She was like, I'm not getting it. And it wasn't like any like, like, reason, like it wasn't like, she didn't know shit about COVID at the time. She said, I just don't want to get another shot. So they were getting tested. They made a super small window where they had to be there, whether you had work or if you didn't have work and you had to get tested like three times a week or some stupid shit like that.

33:41So they were making it super hard for the nurses who didn't get vaccinated to do their job. I'm like, yeah, these are the people who are saving these fucking people who are coming in and we're sick. And almost all of them get exposed to it and almost all of them develop and... Yeah, naturally. Yeah, 100%. They were trying to pretend that natural immunity was bullshit. I've heard people say it recently, natural immunity has been debunked. Yeah. Like, no one has it. There's like actual studies that show it was multiple times better than the vaccine. Yeah, yeah. When I face Craig Jones and I grapple and match, my whole fucking team was sick.

34:14And at that point, we're like, none of us were getting tested. I'm like, I might do. We definitely all have COVID. But I'm not getting tested. Like I'm not doing it. Just because I feel like shit. I don't know if I'm run down or whatever it is, but I'm not saying it's COVID and I can't go do what I want to do this weekend. Like I'm not doing it. When you do something like that, so you're one of the most promising well -to -weight contenders in the sport, you know, as your career progresses, you'll probably get a shot of the title within the next couple of years. Taking a grappling match is, that's a risky move.

34:47Yeah, especially it's a world -class guy like Craig Jones. Yeah. Well, it's funny because so only thing Craig couldn't do in that match He couldn't heal hook me, but he could Straight knee bar me straight ankle lock me anything besides heal hooks so after the match like Besides your idea. No, that's a UFC's so fury was working with the UFC and they're like do you have to tell them like hey All you have to guys just know he hooks even like algebra just did that match for them and the only thing they couldn't do was is no heel hooks. Just because of the like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, crag or anyone else.

35:19You still have all those other submissions you can do. So it's not like you're getting handicap that fucking bad where like, people were giving me shit online. Like, oh, you had a handicap on this and I'm like, I'm a UFC fighter. Like, this was the rules. I didn't like, he didn't make the rules. You could knee bar me. You could straight ankle lock me. You could do all these other things. So you could toe hold me. But yeah, but I like that they don't do the heel hooks. I think it is a risky one man. I mean how many guys are ripped of me apart? Oh, oh, yeah It's bad. Yeah a lot. Yeah, did you see that Mikey me some at you one and one FC with a guy wouldn't have horrible?

35:53horrible Dude, I can't watch that one. He ripped that guy's knee up. I don't know how that guy's doing right now It's probably not doing well I got to imagine his knees ruined for the rest of his life was it um see Stephen find that video because it's so hard to watch because we were talking about Mikey before yeah, yeah, because he's calling out some dude who's a bully. Yeah Oh, he destroys this guy's knee. I mean destroys it the guy won't tap. He's got him in a knee bar here The guy won't tap so now he adjusts and now he's ripping it sideways. I mean look at the guys knee look look at the Motion of his oh So you see you see the way he's you see the way he's holding that yeah, he calls that the the Mikey lock And the guys I trained with at Movement Art, they show it and dude it's nasty.

36:42He's a monster man. Yeah, he's so good. Yeah, I heard he does very well against all the biggest like even guys who are a lot bigger than him. Oh, I'm sure he's so technical. Well, we were just talking about Craig. How about Craig versus Vinnie? Oh yeah, broke his leg. Broke his leg and Vinnie went in tap. I'm like bro. And Craig's leg, you're like, Craig's a good leg and then he went again and then he finally was like, alright, I'm done. I'm done. Like insane, but yeah, I did that match with Craig and I did another one with Ben Sanders and it was the same thing Same rules just no no no heal so yeah, but beating Craig Jones in a grappling match Even if there's no he looks yeah, yeah, that was giant.

37:18I just went into it I'm like I'm gonna stay on top I'd played by the rules and I'm like if he doesn't sweep me or get under me Like I'm gonna win and then like he there was odds for it. I was like a like he was I was like in like a 18 -to -1 underdog or something like that. Here's what you spoke me, but you showed of. But like, people were giving me shit online. Like, you didn't, I'm like, listen, like I just went in there and just did what I knew I was gonna do. And that, and that was it. Oh, so this is what the guy would happen with the dude. Torne ACL, Torne MCL, Torne Menisk is in a broken ankle.

37:49Oh my God. So Mikey said, I'm really sick to my stomach. I never felt someone's legs bloated like that in a match. Oh my God. He goes, I've been training for 22 years. I never broke someone's leg that much. I've broken a lot of legs, he said, but that leg exploded. I didn't know what to do and it was disgusting and gross. I really wish he tapped. The result didn't change and now he's in the hospital. So I don't know, but what a warrior is for showing his will. I mean, it is, the dude is a warrior, but I mean, that's crazy. You gotta tap. You're losing anyway. For sure. Tap. Anything? Knees, shoulders.

38:25Like I'd rather almost not tap maybe in a, like if I'm going to pick something, It'd be like an arm straight arm. Where's the book? A comor, like your shoulder, not just the shoulder, but that spiral fracture. Like when Frank Meier gave it to Minotauro and you see his arms now. Just like a chicken wing. Oh, that guy, you're done. Oh, that one's so scary. Minotauro, he had a giant scar up his arm where it was like, it was a spiral fracture. When he rolled through that he did, it was beautiful. When he turned it and he hit it behind his back, oh, done. God Frank Mears broken two arms of world champions.

39:00Who else do you do Tim Sylvia? Yeah, remember that snapped his forearm and He was dude. He was good. I was just watching him versus DC the other day when I'm on the echo bike I always just watch fights and I was watching him versus DC and I'm like damn DC was a motherfucker back Oh dude And he was not even really a heavyweight now. You mean he's so small DC could have been a 185 small Yeah, look at him Look at him. I mean, he carried around so much body fat, but his wrestling was so fucking high level man. And he's such a tank They are outside like high crutches. He would hit when he dumps the dudes.

39:35Yeah No, DC was the man. Yeah, and he was actually hurting Frank on the I don't think there was one takedown scored on like either side here I think they just struck the whole time, but like DC kind of just just put it on them DC was an animal Yeah, and you know that was one of those things you know iron sharpens iron because DC was training with came Velasquez Yeah, Kane was the fucking man Kane was that's another guy like when people look at all -time greats You got to look at them when they're in their prime. Yeah, you know sometimes guys get injured They fall apart these happened they're they're old and then you look at at these fights where they get beat up Can't look at those fights.

40:14Yeah, you got to look at the fights like when they're with our highest RPMs How do they perform Anderson same thing? Guys were watching fights now like you guys don't I remember it was fit they were came the Philly it was Anderson versus Forest Griffin like that's my first guy like in the watching fights I think it was 2009 and he did that like step back and the fucking was dipping the punches and hit him once and Forest is quit. I'm like this guy's a fucking he's the best like and he moved up to 205 for that I heard that forest though got knocked out twice in camp. Yeah for that fight That's what I had heard.

40:51Oh, and having all the time. And I think that's true because I think Forest at that time was, you know, Forest is, look at it. It's like, he wanted to help love. He's just, right here. He's just like, it was just completely just a love of course. Like ran out of the arena. Yeah, it's that right hand that he had. That's it, Forest like that. But I genuinely think, genuinely think that those concussions that he got in camp, had an effect. Yeah, there's quite a few times where you see guys fight and you're like, man, something's wrong. Yeah, I got knocked out too easy. Yeah, and then you'll hear, oh, he got knocked out of training weeks ago and and that and Even if you don't get knocked out like you're fucking getting hit in your head You might not be going out, but like I definitely left practice before I'm like damn like I'm fuzzy You know like guys are definitely and like we're pretty controlled like I only go with guys I trust to like and that's something I think like you have to do like Guys I only try like don't like yeah injuries can happen But I'm not I'm not gonna try to knock you out.

41:54You're not gonna try to knock me out and you have that like a Grants because that's how like a small team like our team like all of us came up in the same gym like we all We only have like we have one head coach. We just brought in like Dean I'm working with Dean Thomas now, but like I love Dean the best He's coming down the Philly all the time. He was in my corner for that fight and And great addition to the team, but he loves our team because we're a small team, but we just fucking, we just grind and we just want everyone to keep getting better. But John Mark has his head coach and like, we go hard, but now like if it gets out of control, like he steps right in and shuts that shit down.

42:28We're all wearing head gear now. I got this, I fucking hate head gear though, because I just feel like you get hit more. Right. So I got a head gear from Onyx and it's the small one and it's, it's then you can actually see like it's Trevor Whitman. Yup, I hit up I hit them up and they sent it right out to me and it's good like because you can grapple with him makes the best shit Best shit the best shit the best gloves. They sent me gloves and I was like, yo, can I get your I'm in me gloves Like I'll pay whatever cost and gate you was like nah, they're not they're not out yet. I'm like all right Well when they're out dude the UFC.

42:58I don't know what happened. I don't know how it went wrong But the UFC was talking Trevor about using his MMA gloves. He has absolutely superior you're gonna make those, they're the best. No one even comes close. And when you make a fist with those, it actually, it encourages a closed fist. You have to work to open your hands like this. You have to actually work against the glove. Whereas the UFC gloves, they kind of open your hand up more and you have to work to close it. The arm, like you fucking know, that arm pump we get from, when I put, I get the smallest hand wraps. Like I tell whoever's up, I'm like, give me a grab or a wrap.

43:37Like I almost want nothing because once you have that grapple and you have the glove on like when you're trying to close your fist I'm like I'm getting fucking arm pump just from trying to close my fucking hands after the fight Like you're like my forms like double the size was the arm pump you have from grappling right so there's got to be like There's got a I'm telling you it's Trevor's gloves. I mean I should probably Reinstitute these talks. Yeah, try to get it going again. I really should you know what I'm gonna do that because they're superior They're absolutely it's a problem. It's a it's a problem.

44:08I don't know what happened what went wrong But Trevor uses superior foam. Yeah, like he like if you use his box. Oh, I have them. They're great They molded they mold to your hand. They're the best they're the best and it's also their superior protection Yeah, yeah, like he'll shit like he's done demonstrations where he shows how much better the foam he uses to other cheaper Phones it's fighters making stuff for fighters It's not people who aren't doing it like gate. She's the best one to do it and then obviously Trevor too, like there are an amazing combo and they're making amazing shit. Like the headgear's great, because headgear's, like your windows this big, next thing you know, like you're trying to kickbox and you can't see the guys legs, you're getting fucking kicked in the head.

44:46Exactly. And you're trying to shoot, you're shooting into a knee, by his like super wide and it's so thin. And you're really just wearing it to prevent cuts. Cause like realistically, if you have a big ass headgear on, like when I see someone wearing a headgear, I'm like, I'm like, that's a bigger fucking target. Like it's gonna be easier to hit. But with a small one, it's just enough padding to just enough to keep you safe. Remember Mike Tyson back in the day? He's where the real thing went when he was training. It was almost like a wrestling and like head gear. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that's the way to go.

45:17And I think that, you know, it's just unfortunate that there's no other way around it. There's nothing better. You know, there's no like better solution if you want to prevent cuts, kicking and punching. Yeah, yeah, I do not like like when people have the face bar and There's like you can't see I wore that um for a while like I broke I broke my nose so many times But in the beginning of training camps like I've broke like broke my nose So you have to spar the entire camp with that nose guard and it fucking sucks and it still touches your nose And you probably get fucked up more with it all like Get more headshot.

45:51Oh, yeah, cuz you can see head gear. Yeah, can't see shit and that bar It sticks out like this far so that bar gets touched and it will touch your nose So I would even wear like she basketball players like the one basketball player always wore I forget what his name was but I would wear this plastic shield on my face even when I'd roll because my nose would be fucked up I'm like I can't miss training and that's like what we were talking about earlier I'm like maybe I should stay in the fuck home. I'd be in the gym. I was duct tape in it to my head and shit But yeah, it's it's getting better with the innovation, but we got a long way to go though So you were telling me that you would hurt your hand in the Kelvin fight.

46:28Yeah, it's not a break. Not a break. So it's just you're just trying to like let it have a recover. So I'm trying to and that's like me trying to be smart a little bit at my older age of 31 there. I'm just trying to let it heal and before I get back I just don't want to start another training camp with an injury. Whereas before I would do that. But yeah, I'm just trying to be smart like maybe get some get some stem cells and like some shit like that. Yeah, just take and just rest it. Let me see if Brigham came, got back to me. Not yet. My problem would get out of here, but I think we can get in there.

47:00But yeah, just rest. And I can still, I can still work on my kicks, I can still punch and so yeah. You're always getting in training. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a big win for you, man. Calvin, I really think, and I've said this to Calvin, this is back when he was fighting at 85 after he knocked out Bispang. I was like, dude, I think you're a world champion Yeah, yeah, I really do. It's just years ago. Yeah. He just didn't want to make that weight cut. And he's not a big guy. He's not big, man. He's not even big for once. No, he's not. He's like Philly, you know, like, yeah. Even like when I grabbed him, like, I was like, oh, these are like the easiest takedowns.

47:39Like I've ever gotten my life. Like I couldn't believe how easy it was to get him down. And even when I grabbed around his legs, he had his big like framed upper body, but his legs like I would lock under his butt. but they're small. And it was so easy to take them down. And yet like I was saying to you early, I walked around 195, 200, like most guys, like we're not like, I think he's better off at middle week because I think he found a niche where he was a lot faster than a lot of those guys. So like, Bism, he was like in and out on Tim Kennedy, like all these guys who was fucking up with his hands, he was just a lot faster than.

48:11Well, the Tim Kennedy fight, I know for sure, for a fact, the Tim Kennedy over trained. Yeah. And that's what, because Tim Kennedy, who's known for his card, he'll gasped out in that fight. And it's because. I watch him fight in the only time. Yeah, it's studying. It's the fight sucks because Tim's a friend. Yeah, watching it beatups. Cause I know how good he is when he beat Bisping. Like, Tim Kennedy was a fucking monster. He, but yeah. And he just, he went through two camps in a row. Yeah. And it's almost like in our minds, we think always, we always think more is better. And when I'll take a day off now, or even just a session, like a night session, and I'll come in the next day, and I'm like, and you wanna get after it more.

48:51Like it gives you that, like, like I can fucking can't wait to get back in there. And then you feel fresh when you go into that. Like, we'll train till 8 .39 o 'clock a night, and then we have practice at 9 .30 the next morning. So like, you're at the gym, you go home, you sleep, you're right back at the gym. Like, I do the same drive for my house to the gym. So like, I just, I could close my eyes and drive there, cause like, I'm there all day, fucking long. But when you have those little breaks in between you go back in you're like all right Like I can't wait to fucking get back in here. Yeah, that was interesting talking to Bo Nicol about that because Bo takes two days off a week Yeah, and I listen to that.

49:25Yeah, and I was like, why do you do that? And he's like it's just it's the right way to do it Sundays are are my day like I like Like I try to do nothing like not live like I'll go on like a long walk or like walk my dog or run my dog or something like that but I tried no training on Sunday, regardless. But I think two days is probably the way to go. We're even like Thursday, like I'll do a Jiu -Jitsu session in the morning and take the rest of the day off. And that'll be like a lighter day or something like that, because we're doing some, like I've counted my sessions and by the end of it, including like every workout I do, I'm at like 22 or 23 workouts in a week.

50:01Like, it's not the sport like that. It's nuts, it's nuts. And then we start like I'm eating like 3000 calories, 2725 and I'm cutting my calories down. Like, and you're still, and we still in our minds, we're like, we have to keep that same workload. And we're ramping up even more, because when you're in camp, you're trying to, you're going a little bit harder. So it's a motherfucker. It's gotta fuck with your mind. Yeah, yeah. Especially when you're cutting the calories down. Oh, yeah, cause you're like, damn, like I'm supposed to feel this way and I fucking feel like shit. Yeah, you know. And you know, it fights four weeks out, three weeks out, two weeks out.

50:37And then if you miss a session, that's where you're like, oh shit, like he's fucking training, you know? And I'm not fucking training. So that, but that's where you gotta be like, I'm recovering. Like trust the pros. Yeah, I have the sauna, I have the ice, I have the Norma Tech boots, I have all this thing, but even just like sleep. Like I'm in bed in training camp, like no later than 9 .30, I have like 9 .30 at night, I'm asleep and I'm up at six. Like no matter what my schedule is, like I'm fucking on that shit. And that's the bet. Like sleep is the number one thing you can do. 100%. Yeah, that's the superpower.

51:12Yeah. Tito Ortiz used to sleep 12 hours a night. I wish I could sleep 12 hours. Yeah, he would fucking close all the windows, the shades, make the room dark as fuck, and just conke out all night. I think like seven, like eight hours is like, I minimum seven, like seven to nine, but if I get like eight hours, like I feel like that's like the sweet spot for me. Like I feel good. Like eight hours. It is interesting that this sport, which is relatively recent, right? The UFC didn't even exist before 1993. And yet, guys here in 2024 are still kind of just dialing it in. And there's no like a stab was protocol that everyone uses.

51:51Everyone's got their own kind of methods that are using different individual coaches. Well, even like I know guys who are high level fighters who don't know dick about nutrition. Don't know dick about nutrition for covering nothing. I'm like and they're just like just naturally talented I'm like man like these guys don't even know like yeah, so it's it is crazy It's gonna be crazy to see where it goes But like you were saying about Tim though. I had up Tim before I was coming out here before my my hand was hurting me too Much I was gonna try to work out with him because he does some fucking Hard ass workout and I love that shit.

52:25So I he told me he was traveling, but I'm gonna come back and like train with Gordon and train with Tim And his Tim's a motherfucker. He's a savage, bro. He does some animal shit. Yeah, his cardio Yeah, I love it on the like the skiers and I love that shit Yeah, it'd be super fun to get in on the guy's not even fighting anymore. No, still yeah fucking tip top Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's an animal jacked. Yeah, and that that fight always bothered me that Kelvin fight Yeah, I knew what was wrong with him. Yeah, cuz I knew he had he had had a fight He went into camp and then the fight got canceled and then they got rescheduled Yeah, you either got rescheduled or got a new opponent.

53:04I remember what happened But then he went right back into camp so he's essentially in camp for like 16 weeks. Yeah something something nuts where you can't you just can't do that your body's gonna break down And then you're caught and wait and then you have to gain the way back because you don't want to stay too low like that That's where it starts to get like like this is fucked up like idea let my body like my body recover like There's some guys where I look at them and I'm like, how are you making like Joe? How are you making 185 Joe Piver? Yeah, he's a big boy. How are you making 185? That doesn't even make sense.

53:37He's so big. Yeah, he's so fucking big man. He gets like 215 to 20. That's it? No, he looks even bigger than that. He looks like 30. No, no, no, no, no. He looks big. Yeah, he does. But he's in the octagon. He does a heavyweight almost. Yeah, he, um, but like 215 to 20 for him, He's got a big fight coming up. He's fighting her Manson. That's right. I mean event. Yeah, that's a good fight Yeah, that's good fight that motherfucker hit so hard We should tell everybody that he broke Francis and Ghanos record on that punch machine And they weren't trying to give it to him or something like that. Yeah, they didn't want to register Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't understand why I've trained And I don't know the guy was saying like something was weird with the machine and Joe's like I he did like three times Like three times in a row Also the guy didn't want to believe it.

54:24Yeah, he didn't believe that it was real like how hard Joey was hitting it like Joey Joey cracks and he's by far the hardest person I've ever been hit by who is his last fight? Awesome. Yeah, holy shit. He submitted him. Yeah, but bro. He was putting it on him before yeah, yeah He's on another level right Joe's good. He's on another but it's there's a real clear difference every time you see me he's just getting better. Like at a high, accelerating rate. Like I said, me, him, Jeremiah, Andre Petroski's another one. Like, dude, we have a fucking, we have a good squad and it's a small, small gym in Philly, we're on a fucking four, four in like an old warehouse and a pretty bad neighborhood in Philly, so, but it's awesome.

55:12Well, there's like, there's two schools of thought, right? There's one school of thought. You should be in the biggest camp possible, like ATT, you're bringing in people, But you know, I've talked to guys that train there and go yeah, but then you're in these sparring sessions with these Russian guys Have never heard of and they're fucking straight up killers and that's the Crete We're starting to get it in like we have a good group of Russian guys coming in I have this kid Igor He's like my main train partner. I think he's four. No kids came over as a refugee from Ukraine He's one of the he's a fucking Savage dude.

55:39He got card jacked and Philly whoa bro if I don't know if Jamie can go on my Instagram It's pinned to the top. He was delivering for Uber Eats and Got two guys came up to them. They showed him his gun and he didn't know what was going on He gets he walks over his car. They're fucking stealing his car He's hanging on the side of the car. They're going 40 miles an hour. They shoot at him two times. Oh my god They shot at him while he was shot at him two times. Yeah. Oh my god They see get out of this north on north side street. They pointed gun at him right here And then he's like all right, let me off the dude told him like I'm gonna fucking shoot you and he finally gets off like In the beginning of the video you can hear him he gets shot at fucking filming this so just some dude in a car behind him Did they ever find the car?

56:28No, they didn't so we actually started it a I started to go fund me for him and I've raised like 15th Grand Forum and he got a new car. Oh wow, but yeah, like they shoot at him and but people like don't realize He's hanging on this car. They're like, oh, why won't he just let it go? His documentary roll in the car so like all the money these guys have to pay for lawyers and shit like that Yeah, all of his shit was in his car and he just came from practice and was fucking doing Uber Eats So like he doesn't have any money to fucking pay these lawyers and shit Crazy but Philly's wild I carry everywhere I go and Philly I do I don't know fuck around but his best friends Yarslav from Bellator, I don't know how it says, nice name.

57:12He's going to come over and train with us too. So I brought in Drew Dober my last camp. So we have Neil Magna come in, Eric Anders was just up. So our gym's starting to get recognized, which is cool. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's cool. Well, I mean, for a small gym, you got six guys fighting in the UFC and a bunch of fucking real killers. Yeah, so it's cool. We have. Yeah. And we got like, pads fighting in AC, Andres fighting in AC. So we'll all be on like kind of like fighting around the same times, which there's not better than that Like when your teammates are fighting and you're in camp sucks being a camp when you're by like by yourself You're like fuck when you went to the ball off fight Will you will you 13 or no 14?

57:4915 15 and yeah, wow. Yeah 15. Oh, that's a bitter pill to swallow right? Yeah It sucked like it was the like I thought it was gonna be the worst thing ever happened And I kind of going into that like I just didn't feel right like travel I first time I've ever left the country like I've never been outside the United States of travel there all my coaches We're getting sick they're all like super jet lag and all week I just kept having these like like thought I'm like I'm gonna lose this fucking fight and Usually like you have those thoughts, but I couldn't I couldn't like flip my mind back to like yo You're gonna win this shit because you always have doubts, but I would have I was having dreamed I was gonna lose and I might do like I can't get this out of my head and I told my wife like the day before I'm like I was like I had a dream last night I lost and I thought when I lost like I thought it being undefeated Like it gets tied to you Everyone sees you they're like you're gonna fucking be the champion You're gonna stay undefeated you're gonna return like then you become like you're like damn like I'm not even fighting to win This fight I'm just fighting just to stay undefeated if that makes sense like I'm like I can't lose this record and then in the fight First round like it was real like a super competitive I went back and watched it and I thought I did a lot better than I thought I did and And then in the second, I got clipped, and I was there the entire time, but I just couldn't throw.

59:10I was just like, I just kind of quit. I was like, I just didn't know what to do in that moment. That's the only time I ever quit of myself. Practice anything, and ever since then, I started working with two mental performance coaches, and I'm just like a completely different person now. So what is the best thing that ever happened to me? That's a lot of times fighter say that. It's like you need to feel the sting of defeat. I'm telling you Joe the minute I lost it felt like like a fucking like a bronco was lifted off my shoulders like I was so like I was like yo like this is gonna be this is gonna be the best thing I've ever had me because the just the pressure of being Under the lead it go like every time like I was going to fight I'm like I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing but I'm like I if I lose my record like no one like It's over and then I'm like it's one fucking fight like I have one 15 fights in a row I lost one fight like it's not how it works and I just thought like I just thought like my life was gonna like Implode and it didn't you know I had a hard like I said I came home I definitely trained way too hard because I want to come back and fight again and I fuck myself up doing that But that even gave me more time to sit and reflect with myself and just get my shit right and realize like It's not it's not it doesn't mean everything to be undefeated like the best fighters in the world take losses and And yeah, I needed that.

1:00:32For the only one who didn't is John. John Jones, I wanted it. But if you were to stuck around long enough, you know, so you never, you had a couple close ones, close one with Glacin T -Bow. Glacin T -Bow's very debatable. I watched that fight a lot. Yeah, very close. But we're all, you have a 50 % chance of going, you're gonna win or you're gonna lose. When you're fighting the best guys in the world, like, Ball is good, like I know I can beat Ball, but I'm happy for him to, he went on, he beat Gilbert, he's gonna fight for the belt next and... Is that established? Is he definitely fighting for the belt next?

1:01:03They haven't announced it, but there's nobody else. No, I would hope nobody leaves for us. He deserves it. He deserves it. 100%. He's being the most guys in the top 10, you know? He deserves it. I think he's on a 10 fight win streak. Yeah, he deserves it. Yeah. And I think he has a good chance of doing well. And really well fought before. Exactly. He got iPod. Yeah, so it's there for him. Like he deserves it and he should get it and I'm happy for him He's broken. I don't know why he gets so much hate like he's not he's not bad dude Trains fucking hard and don't even swear. Yeah, you know when he was in here.

1:01:38I'm fucking cursing a million times You say what the fudge yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a goddamn cage fight. Yeah, he gets a lot a lot of hate But I'm happy for him and that's gonna be a good It's gonna be a good fight. He's a big guy for once. Evany man. Yeah, the walls are very hard Yeah, you know, he's not a small one. No, no, no, it's for me. That's gonna be a good fight. Very good fight. I uh, I wasn't super like, I wasn't super impressed with that uh, Colby Leon fight. He weren't? No. Definitely not on Colby side. No, not on Colby side. That's a fight I was impressed with Leon. I want the, I want the Colby fight.

1:02:13I think that the problem in that Colby fight is Leon. He was so dangerous. Yeah, so sharp. Yeah. He's so technical on his feet. And I think in that fight, he was, you know, because Colby talked so much shit. I think he was the shit. But this guy was fucked up. You don't say whatever you want about me, my team, whatever. But you start talking about people's, like their parents, their wives, their kids, especially if one of them's dead. Like you're a fucking, like that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for. Like you don't do shit like that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know that's Colby.

1:02:45He's the master of getting under people's skin. But I think in that fight of backfire. Yeah. And he looked like I was watching him. I'm like, what the, like I didn't know what was happening with him like he just wasn't doing anything. He didn't look good. And then Leon shot on him and was like, I think he wanted to just make a point like I can take you down. Yeah, and I did. No, Leon's fucking good. Yeah, his grappling. Leon's very good. Leon's good. But it almost, he'll make a reverse day a couple of times. And so he shot and then Colby kind of switched it up. And he opened it on the top. Yeah.

1:03:13Well, I think that was where the tactical errors were made. Yeah. That's what I was critiquing at the fight. I was like, I don't think he fought the smartest way. Because I think he could have avoided those exchanges and he had this massive advantage in the stand up. Super clean. He would have came out of that fight like unscathed if he didn't do that. But he still won the fight, yeah. But at the end of the fight, when Colby's on top of him at the very end of the fight, that doesn't look good. No, no. You know, he won 100%. He looked great. And on the feet, man, he is so sharp. His out ball is really fucking good.

1:03:47He's sharp. He's good. And he's long. He's big too. We're off. Yep. All 70 pounders are big. Yeah, there's the day of the 70 pounder walking around at 70 Those are gone long gone 55 gone Paul you stay get up to 200 pounds when he'd fight at 55 I Would look I'd like to he like I weigh two or three right now. I'll be bro. You're eight pounds heavier than me Like but he'd be like fat like he'd be drinking IPAs and yeah after he would fight he would get huge like patty Pimlet fat not that fat that boy is fat So quick and see him in December after his fight his face. He just goes on like dude Like you're going to a different but we have like fighters have fucking eating disorders like we 100 % all have eating disorders Because you're eating this way and then you're cutting out food and then you're craving all these foods like it's a fucking And it's a it's a wild wild way to live fight Patty now look at him look all fat and happy look how tight that shirt is on him It's so crazy how much weight he gains it's so nuts because he was sure ready during that fight.

1:04:51Yeah, he He gets big he gets big, you know He got a lot of shit from that Tony Ferguson fight, but I was very impressed I was very impressed with his grappling. Yeah, I was impressed with striking. I think everything looked better and at the end of the day He won the fight like he found a way to win He definitely threw around got a little sketchy, but he found a way to win like yeah But the people saying that he didn't look good and it's just I thought I thought he looked great Tony Ferguson is still dangerous. He's still dangerous. I mean, he was dangerous in the Gachie fight until Gachie started beating him up.

1:05:21He was dangerous in the channel. Drop channel. Yeah. Like, he's still fucking drunk, Trammer. I don't think people realize, you go in there and you have 15 minutes and you could have woke up that day had the fucking worst headache. You could feel like shit or just could not be your night. So that's why in that moment, you have to make the best of it, but some days just, it's just not your day. You know what I'm saying and but in the gym like you get that day you get to go back to next day But a guy like Tony like at what point does someone step in now? Yeah, it has to be it's what six or seven fights I think it's seven and yeah, yeah, and he's not and it's not like If you were to won that fight, I would still like to see like I out me my body.

1:06:04I was cheering Tony Tony And I anytime you would do anything just cuz I fucking love Tony Ferguson, but it's time like yeah And like it was awesome like having goggins there and all that shit, but like Like just hanging up like you're just doing more damage, you know, I also don't know what he's doing in training Like the goggin stuff is great and everything like that, but who is he sparring? Is he sparring? You know is he doing score? Yeah, I don't know what he's doing like if you're gonna do the shit with goggins like do that Outside of training camp do that like we don't have a fight You build up that aerobic capacity when you're not getting ready for a fight like I'm sure he was But it kind of seemed like he always just did whatever he wanted to do.

1:06:47Yeah, you know like worked for a long time Yeah, he was the book. He was fucking everybody up those chokes that he was hitting on people the darses He would lock that shit on you. You were done cowboy. He was fucking cowboy up Pettis pep is fucking people Tony was a real scary man for many many years they tripped on one cord And it all changed and that fucking crazy Getting ready for the could be fight mass in square garden triple no massive fight And Trevor needs don't close his knee out doesn't make any sense and then he came back from that super fast beat Pettis Oh, he won after that. Oh, yeah, oh he beat Pettis I have to shoot out of that I remember I remember the fight you beat the shit out of Pettis But I don't know I don't know if that was before or after that was after that was just come down Because patas was kicking the shit out of that leg.

1:07:35Yeah, and it was only if I want to remember correctly five months or so After what is a five or seven month it was short very quick fucking short now no shit about niece But I know that sounds very short. It was ridiculously sure when I talked to people that knew about that surgery and knew about Like how bad his knee was yeah, he did his own rehab of course. Yeah, so some yeah, but he was the man. But I think I think it's that time. It's father time. Yeah. It wins all fights. Yeah. Like him. It was nice to see Cowboy be done when he was done. Cause like I was telling you earlier, being a cowboy, when cowboy was on, he, I think he was the best fighter in the fucking world.

1:08:16He was so goddamn good. And he would fuck us all up down to the ranch. Like me, John of the web, Paul, he would be the shit out of everybody. And then, uh, yeah, like even Jim Miller, I remember him head kick in Jim Miller when they first fall in AC knocked him out and then his last fight was Jim Miller and Jim got the best of them. So it's like, all right, it's time to... Yeah, at a certain point time. But he knew, like he knew, but look out now, he's fucking all saw, stop. He's fucking, it looks great. He's that way. That looks great. I love it. He looks hair transplant. And that's another thing I think, like I just did, I started working with Merrick Health.

1:08:52I just did all my blood work last week so I'm waiting for that just to like see where You're right, like after fights, you know, so like check my testosterone, just check, check all my shit I'm trying to like really like dial all that shit in and a lot of guys don't do that, you know Well, I think if you want to compete against the best the best you gotta cross all your Tees and dot all your eyes you gotta make sure every every all your ducks are No, yeah, and the difference between the guys who are just super talented who don't take care of nutrition and still perform at a very high level and the guys who are also talented like yourself but dialed everything.

1:09:26Yeah, that's how you make sure that it's yeah, because even when I'm done fighting like I'm going right in a jitsu like I can't wait to compete jitsu like that's going to be like so fun because no he's getting so fucking big now and like you got guys like Wagner for he's like 45 years old still competing and winning. So I'm super excited to get into that too, you know, but I got a lot more fighting in me. That's just sure. Do you think when you stop fighting MMA, you'll compete in Jiu Jitsu? Oh, that's all I want to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I obviously, I want to open a gym one day, but I want to compete just straight to Jitsu.

1:09:58Like, no, I did a gig for 10 years. So I did a gig for a long time. I haven't done it in a while because, I can't feel like to a certain point, like it's like, all right, like I've done this. I'll pick it up when I'm done for sure, but I love just hard, like, no, I love it. It's so fucking fun to me. And it's getting so big. like these guys are ADCC, it's at the team -oomble next year. So that's a while. They gored in and he's the fucking best. But I was at the last one that did AC and Vegas and it was an enormous place. Yeah, like you said, it's getting huge. I didn't realize he was sitting next to you at the fights when I was talking to you.

1:10:33He's the man. I was going to train with him this week. I can't wait to train with him though. But I remember seeing those guys back at Hengeos because I was going to the Hengeos a couple of times a week training in the blue basement and I'd see Gordon and Craig when they're all They all still together and their savages back then and they're still fucking doing it. It's crazy. Yeah, he's completely extraordinary. When you look at a guy who's 28 years old, he's universally accepted as the greatest ever. Next, next nuts. He's next level. And that motherfucker doesn't take a day off. Yeah, yeah, crazy.

1:11:02No days off, crazy. 365 days a year they're training. They're working on something. And I'm sure they're training hard. Training hard and working on skills and they watch tape. You break technique down. Yeah, it's not just like good enough. Go on. Yeah, that's very systematic. Yeah. And that John Donner, having that guy as your coach, what a fucking cheat code that is. I've seen the room, it'll be like John Gordon, GSP will be in there. I like to do this room as fucking, it's crazy that like the people that they would have in there. So you're only four, you're gonna get better for a guardless, you know.

1:11:35I've never seen GSP's corner, it'd be like John Donner hair, Frasa Hobby, Greg Jackson back when he would fight. Like he was so ahead of his time like with like doing shit like that like Yeah, there's I think GSPs. He's like my like goat of of MMA just a way like being a true martial artist like even how he is now like Guys when they're done they get fat. They're done training like they're once they're done fighting like they're like they're done He like still trains. He probably looks better now than he did back then. So I'm trying to I'm trying to fall I'm trying to follow that for sure He keeps coming down here to train.

1:12:09I see him in Austin all the time. He's here all the time I'm like I'm surprised it doesn't move down here. We just come down to train. Yeah, I think he likes Montreal. Yeah Yeah, that gym kind of Tri -star was the shit for a while amazing heaven heard like too many guys come out of there now I just think there's there's so many gyms now. There's so many more gyms like but it was GSP They had Rory McDonnell or Rory was Rory was a mother fuck. I remember watching him in his prime. I was young I'm like this fucking guy is great He was pretty fucking sharp He was very very good. Couple of those wars though with Rob.

1:12:43Rob definitely short in his career. It was very nice seeing Robby go out like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was beautiful. It was a barberina, right? I know it was, who? Buck. I thought it was Brian Barberina. God damn it. So the tip of my tongue, I'm looking at his face right now. I can't pull up. Nico Price. Nico Price. Toff dude. And Nico Price. It's tough is fucking he's got some crazy knockouts and So yeah, yeah, but probably went out right like he went out in a win like that's got a beautiful win first round knockout Didn't even get hit yeah, that's got everybody went crazy. That's got to feel good.

1:13:22We played this video Yeah, yeah for guy like him and he stole he's one like the main guys down at a kill cliff like he's still He's a coach and yep, that's great to see too like it is because when a guy like that if he's done and he leaves the gym, like a part of like, like you lose part of that gym. Yeah, yeah, this was awesome. I'm winning like that. It really was fucking cool. It was really cool. Because it's just like that's what you want to see from a legend. Yeah, yeah. But he was, forget the Ruth was Robbie Lawyer days. Like when him and Rory had that fight, that was just guts and just survival in this, in his lips.

1:13:59Oh, when it was split like that. And I was interviewing me screaming when his lips are spitting Rory you could tell Rory had his nose was smashed so bad that last punch I think it was probably a straight left. Yeah, he's like I'm done like I just can't take any more pain at this point Like when your nose is broken you get hit in it. It's it's not fun. Well his face was pale too Like he had lost so much blood. Yeah, yeah, he was he was fucked up. Yeah, what a crazy Yeah, look at his face. Oh, I mean his face was just a mask of blood and this is like so I can't Yeah, look how flat his nose is there I mean Rory's just face is destroyed.

1:14:40Oh my god Jesus. It's just destroyed His face is destroyed. I mean that is as close to death as I think we've ever seen anybody get inside the eye Yeah, yeah, look at that look how pale he is And he went on to have some fucking good fights after that, but I was watching his career in PFL and it was just sad to see the kind of the way he went out. Well, I mean, I think you go through a fight like that. You don't ever... No, we're covered fully. No, you do. And then you're you're back in the gym, you're training, and then you fight again. Everything's amplified in a fight. Like it's just it's training times 10, you know, and you come out like I've come out of fights where quick fight for me, but I still like, I don't even, like, I'll hit my elbow.

1:15:27I'm like, what the fuck did I do to my, like, you just come out of a fight and you're like, you still feel beat up even if it wasn't like a super hard fight. Like, even my fight with Kelvin, like, I didn't land like any crazy right hands, but my fucking hands been killing me for the last month. So it's always, it's always something. And then you go through something like that. Did you do any hyperbaric chamber work? My strength coach has one and I got in it. And I was having like TMJ or something. And I got in there and my fucking ears start to pop and I got kind of freaked out and I got out. But I need to do it.

1:16:01I know like off camp but he's like, dude, you gotta get in, you gotta get in. And that's like the one thing that flow tanks related to things like I haven't got into yet. But yeah, I need to do the, I need to do the flip, like the hyperbaric. They say it really really helps recovery. I know that you're right. Faber used it after the Jose Aldo fight. Yeah, when he got his leg destroyed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I know especially for your head too. I say like it's super super good for your head. Post concussions. Yeah. Yeah. But like I said stem cell stuff like that. Like it does suck. We can't like do other like peptides because that should helps.

1:16:36And it's not like. Tested us for everything else. Like me like be there on site or whatever. But I think that stuff would. Um. Would really help us out. Yeah, I don't know why it's illegal. I mean, I think the argument is that it gives you a performance enhancing benefit, but I just think all it does is aid in recovery from injuries. Yeah. And I think if you're dealing with a sport where guys are literally training and preparing to injure each other. Yeah. That's what you do. Yeah. And you're getting injured while training, preparing to injure each other. You're going to get hurt. There's no, no ifans or butts about it.

1:17:10and it would be better for the sport overall if that was allowed. And I don't know why these athletic commissions don't recognize the like, hey, this is not like steroids. This is something that just helps your injuries here. Helping you recover. I'm definitely happy though that we're done with Usada. I'm hoping that, obviously they're gonna come and drug test this, but don't come to my house at 6am. We're 70. And don't come when guys are cutting away. They hit my house the one night. It was 9 .30 at night. I was get, luckily there was fights on us in camp or else I would have been asleep, I was watching like Bellator on a Friday night.

1:17:44They knocked on my door, I look at my ring camera, my wife's like, it's fucking you saw that. I'm like, I've never been mean to them and I wasn't even on my dude. I looked at them, I'm like, I'm about to get in the bed, they're like, we're sorry, like they have a protocol they had to do and I'm like, I get it. How long does it take? It's quick, it can be quick. If they do blood, you have to sit down, they time you for 10 minutes and then they take your blood, then you have to do piss. So that can be annoying. But like if you just have to pee you can run through it real quick But you have to get out all your supplements you have to write all that down So it takes probably 35 40 minutes.

1:18:15So every time they come you have to show them your supplements. Yep every time They you they had them saved at one point, but then they went away with that So you'd have to redo it any medications you take and then do it has to come watch you piss You have to pick out a cup So I never debt like I haven't been drug tested by these new guys yet, but come in three o 'clock Like come when I'm home and I'm just sitting on my couch. Well, I think the argument against that is if they can catch you Like if you're if they come to your house at 9 .30 a .m. If you take something that is in your your system for a short period Yeah, but provides benefits.

1:18:46Yeah, like if you take some sort of oral testosterone at 9 .30 p .m. Right before you go to bed like we're gonna get you and then like that was that what they were doing with the gummies Right with testosterone gummies in baseball. Yeah, something like that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so the idea is that you take it and then by the time they tested you it Maybe on your system. I think guys, like if you have enough money, I'm sure guys are gaming the system somehow, you know? Have you heard anything about how guys could do it? No, I haven't, but I just feel like guys, like, like, guys have, people are gonna, if you can cheat, somebody's gonna cheat.

1:19:18They're gonna find a way, but even with the IVs, I've had heard of guys doing IVs still, and I'm like, I guess like you said, like they say the trace plastic, but I'm like, how could you even test for that? Cause if you're drinking fucking gallons of water, or whatever you're drinking with plastic, I guess there would be traces of plastic. Maybe it's a different plastic. But why don't you, Jamie, Google please, how do you detect if someone has had an IV, you saw it? See if there's like, they've explained it. Because they were explaining to me that there is a work around and the work around would be if you got all the liquid into a glass vial.

1:19:54I was literally, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. And then you injected the liquid back into someone's body slowly And instead of a drip like with a hose, you're just going straight from a glass bottle. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like a fucking process. Something a real process. Just for an IV. The craziest one I heard. But if you're masking it, the craziest weight cut that I had ever heard, someone was cutting weight by getting their blood removed. Yeah. So they're getting their blood pulled from their body, they're chilling it and then putting it back into their body. Time for you to just move away class.

1:20:26But here's the question because blood doping that was a way that like tour to France and a lot of those guys would do it Where they would take blood out of their body and then they put it back in right their body would recover and build that blood back up And then they would put that blood back in so that they'd have all this extra blood Yeah, you need to give them extra oxygen that like blood dobin That's like the craziest one like if you're gonna do anything if if you just never get tired Like that's like that's the most superhuman thing you can fucking do like strength like strengthen and all that like it's cool But if you can just never get tired, right?

1:21:01That's like next level shit Well, there's been guys that get popped for EPO and DJ. Yeah, well there's actually a documentary that the UFC did that just came out last week I started I watched it. It's wild really see like what he looked like he was a skeleton He looked like a dead man. You look like a guy who was starving to death, and he was about to fight Henry. Is that what he was saying? He was doing the EPO to help him cut weight? Is that what he was essentially saying? No, no, he was essentially, he was anemic. I mean, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah. It's anemic. It's for anemia. God. He was anemic.

1:21:37He had gotten to a point where he couldn't do anything. Yeah. His body was just, he should have pulled out. It's really what it should have done. Or what he should have done, I think, is probably had a test cut. And if he had a test cut, like, he was down to 135 and then cutting the weight. And when he was down to 135, you looked at him, you're like, oh my god, he was bad. I remember seeing a picture of him in camp. I'm like, I'm like, this dude looks horrible. When he was preparing for the fight, and then it was like the day of the weigh -ins, you see him walking around, you're like, what in the fuck?

1:22:12Yeah. Yeah. His whole face was just skeleton. And then like, you get fucking hit like that? Right. Like I don't care if you have 48 hours. Like, so that's what he looked like. Oh. Is that so insane, man? It's so insane that way cut. Look at it. Yeah, look at him there. Listen, all of our cheese gets sucked in, but that's crazy. That's crazy. That's different. I mean, that's not just a cheese. No, yeah. You're losing your jaw muscle. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like you you're losing muscle man. You're losing muscle now you see him now He's not a small dude like pretty fucking big like Well T .J.

1:22:50also had had shoulder problems his whole career Yeah, I think he had torn two torn super spinatus muscles in both traps or both shoulders and just never got it fixed He was so good. I love watching him like his Just his strike and was so good like I feel like he was like one of the first guys to start doing like to switch and Stan's is a thrown like he was he's fucking good. Dude the hand in barral fight holy shit. The first one. Yeah. Also, it's also like his ability to perform under pressure. Like when the stakes were high, when the pressure was high. Cody Garbant fight. Yes. Yes. He got dropped in that first round.

1:23:28He came back and knocked Cody out. And I fucking love Cody. That it was nice to see Cody get back on track. But yeah, that was he can fuck. He's a competitor. Like he's a competitor. and it worked for him for a long time, you know? Yeah, just the shoulder thing, he's just so unfortunate because now he's fucked and he's had multiple surgeries and he's hoping that he can still come back. Because he fought in Abu Dhabi on that card with me and then his shoulder popped out like immediately or something like that. Well, he had actually told the referee before the fight. He said, my shoulder's gonna pop out.

1:23:59He said, just let me fight and I'll put it back in and pops out all the time. That's not good. I've seen that though. I've seen guys like in the room like they get like sprawled on their fucking shoulder pops out and they like Yeah, they're like I need a second they snap back. I'm like I'm like dude. I don't know if you should be doing that like that's like supposedly what happened with Yuri like his coaches We're trying to yes, they put his shit back in the place And they just totally destroyed his show. Oh my god. Yeah, probably shouldn't be doing that It's not like a finger like a Jiu -Jitsu finger where you're doing gee and like you're like your coach fucking snaps your finger You're like, that's your shoulder.

1:24:33Well, it's also when your shoulder gets destroyed like that and they have to replace your shoulder, that's it. Yeah. I don't, I know guys have gotten their hip resurfaced and continue to compete. Yeah. I know Frankie Edgar did that. Yeah. But I think shoulders, like once that's... Shoulder, shoulders and knees, like I've been pretty knock on wood. Like I feel like once you have a problem with your shoulders or knees, you're fucked. Like you're always going to have same thing with like, if you do that back surgery, because the back side was a big one. I think, and your neck, like, if you do any of those surgeries, I think you're fucking done.

1:25:07Well, that's what's crazy about Al Jermaine. I mean, he did his neck and then one and defended the title multiple times. Yeah. He looked great. He looked great. Besides showing him a alley, like, he came back and that Peter Yonfah, like he looked fucking, he looked great in that. With a fake disc in his neck. He's got an artificial disc in his back and he's competing in every way. That's great. And winning as a champion. It's nuts. Chris Wyman's coming back again too. He's from Bruno. I was there. I was there for his fight in Boston and It was good like could the sea him like get back in there if like that break was so bad So I watched I guess they're putting out like many series that you have see I watched that one and That on him like coming back from his leg.

1:25:47I was like almost crying watching it Like seeing like the pain he was going through like he had like two or three surgeries after that and really and one it like like his leg, like when it take, or he's like start feeling a weird pain and they go back in and do another surgery. He'd start getting better, they'd do another surgery. It's like, it's the same thing as that TJ one. If you get like 25 minutes watch it one day, it's fucking good. Well, that's the case with Conner as well, I believe. I think Conner's had multiple services as well. Well, a break like that, like. It's a crazy break. The only one guy, you know, I'd say no one's ever come back from it, but apparently the guy who won the PFL heavyweight division.

1:26:25He had a broke. Really? Broke leg like that. And he came back and he's competing at a high level. Well, how about Chris Wideman does it to Anderson Silva and then he gets it done to him? I don't know. That is like what kind of like how does that happen? Like that? With the odds. That's nuts. Especially when you think about how few leg breaks like that have been in the UFC. Yeah. I think there's only been four. He's been a part of two of them. Yeah. That's crazy. I can only think of those two. who else was in the UFC? That the first one was what was a gentleman's name? Cory was Cory Hill? Yeah, I remember that.

1:27:04I think he's dead. He is dead. I don't know what happened to him. Yeah, but I remember that one. And then Chris is involved in two of them. So was Cory Anderson, Chris, who else? So there's one other one. Someone else got there like, brother. Yeah, I don't know. Connor. Conor Conor that's it. Yeah, so those are the four the biggest one talking about yeah and then outside of that I've seen it with Tyrone spawn. Yeah, he yeah with the go console. I see that was nasty He's only time I've ever seen in kickboxing He's fucking his highlights are crazy. Oh, he's a killer. You ever see the one where I think he do comes out drop time He gets up showing up and throws that over a hand and cleans them.

1:27:48Oh my god damn. He's still he's so trained Like he's down a Henry's and he's like one of their main guys. What did you do? This was not in the UFC, but it's on combat. Oh, I just like femur comes out Oh, I saw this one. Yeah, he gets taken down. That's a crazy one, right? This one's bad and it's weird how it goes down like How it goes backwards? Oh Look at his pain the pain. He's in oh my god. How it goes backwards? Oh? Oh God look at it poking out like that. Is that his femur? Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, he's like my leg, my leg. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's bad. They're hard to watch. That's my dad broke his femur.

1:28:34He was construction worker. He had a bunch of stones fallen his leg, snapped his fucking femur in half. He had a metal rod in there for years. They, they, he got his knees redone. they had to take the metal rod out of his knee. Like his bike bone, like I guess like form to it. They said taking it out was rough. Yeah. It's the biggest bone in your body I think. Oh, I think so too. God damn. Yeah, Frank Meer when he get hit by a car, remember that? He broke his femur. Yeah, he was riding a motorcycle, guy ran a light, T -bone dumb, he went flying to the air. And he, it took a long time for Frank got back on track.

1:29:08That's like one of the hardest things with me and like, like I grew up riding dirt bikes and like I love doing shit. I'm like, but our job's so dangerous already. I'm like, I can't afford to do any of these other things. Like, we're up to mountains over the weekend. Like, my brothers are like, let's go snowboard. And I'm like, bro, like, I can't do. Like, I want to so bad, but I'm gonna do all that shit when I'm done fighting. Like, you just can't stack another thing on top of fucking. Like, I have a Ford Raptor. I got it all swooped up. I'm like, that's my thing. You know, like, I got a nice truck.

1:29:39But I can't ride bikes yet. I can't like we just can't afford to stack all those other things on top of our dangerous ass job already He was John Strickland was doing the other day Shoot like like Roman candles on each other firework fight. Yeah, bro. I'm not doing that three weeks before his fight He had a burn zone He's he's nuts. He's so out of his fucking mind, but at boy can fight All he does is spar he probably said he looks at a treadmill He's like, get the fuck outta here. He's like, I'm gonna go spar. What's crazy is his conditioning. Like, look at that Israel Adesonia fight. This is his first time fighting for the title.

1:30:16He's fighting a legend. And in the fifth round, he's not even breathing heavy. Floresome too. Amazing. Amazing. He's someone that want to drop some, pummel them afterwards. And then, but dude, he's like, he's not even jumping like dirt bikes. He's jumping like motorcycles in the desert. Like what the fuck is this dude? He's out of his room. And that's also how he blew his neapart. Oh, yeah, he used to fight at 70 people don't know him and tomorrow fall at 170 back in the day tomorrow put it on pretty good Well, I think he's one of those guys that really was cutting too much way he's definitely he's you a point of diminishing He's huge happy like Joey trying to cut down the 170 like you be fucked just cuz you can make something Right doesn't mean you should do it, you know like it's a I'm gonna be interested to see that fight next weekend I can't see the extreme version that watch that TJ documentary.

1:31:05Yeah, yeah, that's His fight with dricas is gonna be very interesting. Yeah, it's fucking scary That and that's a guy who's so big for 85 the way he looked against the I count it I didn't give him that fucking chance against Robert Whittaker and boy was I wrong Well also that's after he got his Yeah, I think I mean it's a big factor. Yeah, he's able to breathe that you know can't breathe you can't fight But it's also it's like, Drick is looks awkward. Like if he moves different, but that movement and that awkwardness makes him difficult to time. It's like his timing is off. And if you don't have anybody that can imitate that kind of stutter step motion that he does, it's far and weird.

1:31:49Yeah, it's deceptively technical, deceptively. It's his style. You can't say it's wrong, you know, like that's how it's like, and it works. And he's like, you can tell you're strong. Like I think he's gonna come in and really tried to like put like a hard grapple and pace on showing in but Shawn's hard to take down Like you know see many guys taking Shawn down like he's not he's a very good grapple He's not yeah, he's not easy to take down. I've talked to guys a row of them like that motherfucker's very good I seen he was out at um, I think he was trying with Jaco. Yeah, yeah, Jaco told me yeah, Jaco goes do he's fucking legit Yeah, he's really long too like I'm sure he has good could you get to yeah, but that's that's a good fight Well, here's a interesting statistic because you know, do you have see was it a mouth guard that they gave you guys?

1:32:33I'll show how many shots you take something like that. Yeah, he gets hit the least Yeah, he spars the most See, is that his defense is so under appreciate? Yeah, cuz that was a big factor in that fight too without a sign Yeah, I just couldn't find him. Yeah, he's like It's like a weird like Philly shell that he does and then he's lifting that like lead leg to like teap Yep, he's front kick and you with a lead leg Yeah, and that and he's just always jabbing like his jet and it comes like you would think a jab coming from down here Like it'd be easier to tie him but it's not because it's coming from like you don't fucking see it and that Bob and then he's hitting you with the jab But it fucking it works for it works for him amazing I don't think Izzy was 100 % in that training camp either like he had that that DUI thing where the DWI like right before the I was like two weeks before that fight and I think he just thought he was going to fucking blow Sean out of the water and Sean's a tough motherfucker You after the a boost fight.

1:33:29You should someone should have looked at that fight and go looks and this guy is Oh, yeah, yeah, he's always there. It's crazy. I'll it can flip so fast like a year ago He lost the gyro cannon here and now he's fucking UFC champion. Yeah The pay the fight. Yeah, he gets flatline in the first round against Paheda and then you think this guy's not gonna be the champ A year later as a champ. Yeah, and went to train with Baheda. Yeah, that shows you I'm gonna go learn from this fucking guy. Payton will teach you which is even crazy. Oh, yeah, Alex is a he's a bad motherfucker He's a big dude. He's gigantic that guy made me 185 was ridiculous nuts Ridiculous like how?

1:34:11Yeah, cuz you look at me 205. He's so big at 205. I think he's way better off at 205 though. I think so too Like I don't know who's going to fight next, but I'll be watching. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would be Jamal. I just don't know when Jamal's going to be fully recovered. You know, Jamal blew out his Achilles, which is a bad one. That's a hard one to come back from. Yeah. It's a bad one. That's what Aaron Rodgers did. Yeah. That's got to be weird. Like you're just going and then next thing it's done. Yeah, it just pops off. Yeah. But Aaron Rodgers is doing great. He's there saying he might like play like pretty he was hoping to oh, yeah, but it's only been how many months since the entry four What was the beginning of the season September?

1:34:54I guess that would have started. I think so. I'm told when November so January so four months. Yeah, not long not my not long at all for such a catastrophic injury Yeah, I think Alex would be chant for for a while though It's got a until someone comes along and exposes his his ground games not where it needs to be Well, that's what's interesting with Hamzot, right? If he fights Hamzot Chimayev at 185 pounds, that gets very interesting. Yeah. You know, but I think we saw in the Hamzot fight against Usman that, you know, Hamzot against a really big strong grappler. Yeah. It's still very effective.

1:35:28Yeah. But, you know, Not to the level where, like, it should be. Well, Usman exposed some holes in his game and Usman had no camp. That was a five round fight. Yeah. Yeah, like and we've been took it on short notice Even on short notice if there's two more rounds of that right who knows where that could go on Usman was putting on I rewatched it Recently and he was getting the better of them in the third round. Yeah, for sure Like especially in the strike game because I think something happened to hums out to him the first round Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got some injuries going on But um, yes, I'm up but even like something like that someone like bow nickel Joe is going to be a motherfucker and then Joey's right Joey Joey's known for knocking guys out but Joey has fucking really he submitted a duel in his last fight He's got really good wrestling really good submission So it looks like 185 doesn't have like those crap like 170 like we're stacked with grapplers 155 stacked with grab like 185 Kind of doesn't have that so if you come into 185 and you have that good wrestling and grappling pedigree like I think you can do really really well It's interesting with bow.

1:36:31It's like they're they're let it's like some fighters get thrown to the wolves Yeah, and some fighters they lead he's doing like the slow Yeah, like every fight. He's his giant. Yeah, giant favorite. Yeah, and the next fight same thing Yeah, he smokes him. Yeah, he hasn't fought so much July I listened to the podcast those really good, but I think he's doing it right that he's like listen I'm gonna kind of slope because he's 27 28 he's already in UFC a couple fights away from being in the top 15 Why rush and I feel like that's something I did earlier on that I wish I wanted to be in the top 15 so bad Then once you get there you have to wait for the division to play out You have to wait for guys to fight and then you get hurt and then you're sitting on the sidelines Whereas if you're not in the top 15 you can kind of rack up these wins fight these guys who aren't World class, but they're still good fighters.

1:37:19You can get that experience and then go into the top 15 Yeah, well, that's what they do in boxing and it's always been the way they did it they test guys, you get tested, but not a fight that you're gonna lose. A fight that guys gonna show you some different looks. You're gonna get, you know, maybe this guy gets to fight inside, maybe this guy's long fights on the outside. You get these different looks and you learn and grow and develop new skills and get experience. And then you fight inside. Well, we have boots, drawn in as his dad was my boxing coach for years. I boots holds pads for me all the time.

1:37:51Bro, that guy is a wizard. This is a wizard. I'll watch him hit pads from orthodox to South Paul. How hard he hits, like I'm like, yo, I would, I would, I would, I'd be but scootin' towards boots if I had a five -year -old come here because he thumps and he's 25 or like 26. Like he's not even a man yet. Like I used to think the man's trying to think was bullshit, it's true. Like the older you get, you definitely get stronger and he's getting stronger and he's getting better. It sucks, like they gave him the bell, I guess, because Terrence got stripped. So he didn't get to earn it. He was the interim champ, but he's having such a hard time getting a fight.

1:38:30Yeah, and nobody wants a fight him and Terrence wants the big money fight. And I get that. I get it. But Boots is gonna fuck any of these dudes up. Like I think Terrence is great, but Boots is that next generation. Well, I think that fight would be very competitive and I would really love to see that because I think Terrence is the fucking man. Yeah, but I think that Terrence is 35 36 so we're not ranching for him It's like all about big money fights. That's why he's trying to get that can yellow fight I get that like you get to a certain point you're clearly you deserve that but I'm happy that they did strip him So now they're gonna give boots that clear path to go let him build his resume and fight the guy But I don't even know who's in that division like well, it's like right now Terrence is locked up with a real spence again because a real spence He exercise the rematch so they're gonna fight yeah, and I think you know if I was being cynical I would say listen arrow spence fights someone else.

1:39:25How much is he gonna make arrow spites? Eril spence fights Terrence Crawford again. He's gonna make a big pay. Yeah, you know And I think that's probably why he's doing this rematch again also he knows he's getting paid Yeah, no, is he's getting paid but also not happy with his performance in the first fight and I can do better I get you get I think Terrence is on the well Yeah, yeah, he's fucking he's good. We were we had like the UFC fights and that those fights going on and he just seemed like he was on a different Different level the entire time, but yeah, he's so smart and he's so technical and he also has that incredible ability to shift He can switch stances and fight just as good as positive orthodox.

1:40:04He uh, I think it was like I think he was fighting show and Polter and his coach was like telling him like go he's it was like the 10th round He's like go he's up and it didn't register for his like he looked at back I can say he's up, he's up, and he went out there and he's like, all right, but went out there, smoked on the next round. I'm like, yo, this dude is fucking, he's the man. But yeah, boots like boxing is hard to follow though, because there's so many, it's not like the UFC's the UFC and there's like top rank and there's show time. And there's this and the golden ball, like who has the belt.

1:40:35So it makes it hard to follow. Well, there does because there's not just way more weight classes, but there's also four sanctioning bodies. And so it's at least four. The WBC, IBO, WBO, IBF, right? So how many boxing, it's at least four. It's at least four. WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, four. That's right there. Is that it? It's probably four more. Yeah, there's a lot. It's just like why? Yeah, why? Yeah, there's so many sanctioning bodies. Like that doesn't make any sense. It's not like we're in MMA like the other's Bellator one Not now P .I. I mean, there's still is but like just Bellator is gonna Still this overseas yeah with PFL But like in MMA like you want to be a UFC champion right when you're a boxer You're like who do you I want to be?

1:41:26WB like it's so hard to you want to beat the guy who's recognized as being famous Yeah, and then what do you want to have you want to have all four belts? Right because if you don't have all four belts, you're not really you can make all of that guy still out there You know, it just gets like fucking hard the file. So it does. But yeah, boots is he's scary. Yeah, he's scary Your ship. I love watching him. He's he's crazy and his dad's like 70 years old still spars really Yeah, he's still spars so he we live in the same neighborhood. I'll see him running He'll be running. I'll fucking beat my horn.

1:41:57I'm like yo, but his name's Bozy and he's just still just getting it Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, 70 years old still sparring that's crazy He's still sparring, still running, like comes in the gym, sweatpants, sweat top, like, he doesn't hold pads anymore because it's shoulders, but he holds noodles. So he holds like the noodles for him and still just fucking just loves it. Like, that's what he just loves to do. Yeah. That's awesome. Crazy. Crazy. I love the fact that he can keep doing it that age. I mean, Floyd Mabel with her senior was doing it. Yeah. He's sparring like, pretty late into his life.

1:42:31Yeah. I mean, when I'm done fighting, like I'm 100 % and obviously, it's just gonna be huge. I'm like, I wanna compete, but I still wanna train. There's not in better than waking up every day and you get to do what you love to do. There's rough days, of course, but I get to go train and there's no other place I'd rather be. If I had a billion dollars in my bank, I would still do the same exact things I do every day because it's what I love to do. That's beautiful. That's a successful life. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's a truly successful life. if you're actually doing the things you love all the time.

1:43:04And if you can make that your job. Yeah. Because you go to a nine to five, like you're sitting in traffic, like do I fucking hate this? Like, we get that, like we have a schedule, but like you still get to kind of make your own. Yeah. That's cozy. Seven years old. This is old too. Yeah, he might. Yeah, right? Yeah. So what is he 65, whatever? Still, that's incredible. He looks great. Ah. Yeah. Oh, he is boxing still. Look at that. Wow, that's crazy. 65 year old Bozy Sparant, 65. And he's just fucking around by the way. He's talking shit, too.

1:43:57Just popping up with that jab and the jab as you were saying, before about Sean the jab real low. Coming down from low. Yeah. And same thing I was saying about like origin mark as MMA like bro, they're in just these work like these gritty gyms. Like there's no no super gym like there's no super gym and filly like. Well, that's the the the question is like what is the best? Is it best to be with a small gym with really good coaches where they give you individual attention? Yeah, they really know what you're doing. Yeah. When you're on when you're peaking, where you're at versus going to like a mega gym like a TT.

1:44:34Well, so my coach John, like he only person that holds pads for me, he watches all my sparring sessions, like he does for all of us, and then he'll send my sparring to Dean. Dean will break it down. And then like my wrestling coach Cody, like everyone, it's only three or four guys, but the head guy is John and he oversees everything. And when you have a big gym, if you're not a top guy, like you're not getting that, you know, like because there's so many, like, yeah, like you have the training partners, but you're not getting that one on one that unless you're a champion. Unless you're a champion, you know, and then it's still even hard because you're like, you got like your, your training partners like, fuck, like I want to help these guys out, but I know like American top team, like they have different sets of coaches.

1:45:19So you might work with this coach, like they have Mike Brown's at the main guy. So you might work with Mike, but you might not work with this guy, but I Just think it's like I'm luckily enough. I don't have to travel like my whole family lives in this like I thought it like there was definitely times when I was coming up on my damn like where would I go would I go to Florida? Would I go here would I go there and then I got lucky enough that I was just Winning fights and our team was growing and we have the training partners now and I don't have to go anywhere No, you're listening man. The results speak for themselves.

1:45:49Yeah, yeah, so tell me more I want to hear more about this mental training. What's involved with that. So you decided to do this after the ball fight? Yeah. So you said you made some decisions in that fight that you never had made before. Yeah, I feel like I remember you're in there and being in a fight is the weirdest feeling ever. Sometimes you're super present and then sometimes you're not. Like I remember just being in that fight with Kelvin. And for 15 minutes, I was, where my feet were, I was super present, like, I had, like, I was blocked in that entire time. When I fought the law, I remember like, I was just thinking about other shit.

1:46:29And then I'd come back to like, like, the present. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, like, I'm in the middle of a fight. I just wasn't, what kind of a shit? I just wasn't present. Like, I wasn't even like, like, I just wasn't thinking about the fight. Like, I just didn't want to be there. That's so weird. And I didn't, and I never felt like that before. So now I started working with this guy Brian Kane. He worked with GSP after a GSP lost to Matt's first fight He started working with him and then I started working with Brian and it's just all about just being super present Like not even just in fighting but just in life like not worrying about what I got to do later or stupid shit like that Just being in that moment and just focusing on that because that's all you can control I was so caught up in thinking about the future or what like happened the day before like If I had a bad day of training, I'd let it bother me.

1:47:18And it just came out of the fight, but I just wasn't in the moment. And that's like, now I just try to be in the moment. Everything I'm doing, just super present, not thinking too far ahead, not thinking about the past. And that's something I used to get caught up in a lot, just not being focused on. And I was just so worried about my next session, where my next this, or thinking about my fight, things I can't control. I can't control that far, but all I can control is what I'm doing in this moment. So what is it that you do? So we just have just like drills, like say if I'm sworn and if something's not going my way, just like little signals just to like bring myself back into what I'm doing.

1:48:01If a round doesn't go my way, like not getting too cold up on that and just knowing like I have another round and I can just get back into that. And just having these like signal lights, It's like, he had, it's called like red, green, red, red yellow green. So green, all systems go, you're having the best training session of your life. Yellow, you're starting to get in your head in a little bit, it's not working out. You're not getting off your shots, not getting off your takedowns red, it's like you're getting pieced up, your mind's going other places, like you don't wanna fucking be there anymore.

1:48:32And when you get in the red, you have to have like, he works with baseball players. Say like you get, you're about to get stuck out. You got the batter will step out of the box. They'll take off their gloves and they'll like They'll like do like they'll like tap their shoulder or something and it's just like Something a reset and that's exactly that's exactly what it is So like if I'm having like a bad session like obviously I'm not gonna fucking like tap my head or something like that But it's just like talking to myself and just just knowing like I'm art like you're good Like bring it back like how do you reset like is there a very specific?

1:49:05Just just I just talked to myself just and like what do you say to yourself? Just looking at myself just We have like our affirmations for my last fight where I control what I can control what I can control And I trust my training. I'm aggressive and always moving forward and then we'd have a funny one to make it not that serious It was I'm confident. I'm cocky. I'm mother fucking rocky and it was just make you laugh and before my fight with Kelvin I'm fucking in the bathroom and I'm saying these affirmations and then I'll laugh because it's like it's not that serious But like small little things like that just to just to bring it back and just be just be present Hmm, and I think that and then I started that started working with another guy through My management come and hidden names brand brand and Epstein and we would do like visual it like visualize like the fights so every week we'd meet on the call and We go from Visualizing being in the locker room Well, even before that, the first like, the nervous, like the most nervous I would get before a fight is like that shower at like 12 o 'clock, fight day.

1:50:11Like you get a shower and you know the car's coming to pick you up in like two hours. So we'd like close our eyes and we'd start in the shower. A shower could change. Car would pick you up. We're walking to the locker room. We're in the locker room. We're hitting pads. We're warming up, getting your hands wrapped, making that walk and then like for five, 10, 50, however long I'd be just, eyes close of visualizing how I want the fight to go. Bad situations, good situations, and then eventually winning the fight and visualizing talking to you or talking to DC and I would do these mental reps over and over and over again.

1:50:45By sitting in the sauna, I would do it. Sitting in the cold tub, I would do it. I would have my affirmation so timed up if I was going in the cold for three minutes. I knew how many times I would have to say them and then my three minutes would be up. And that's all in training camp and I'll just do that shit over and over and over again. Mm. And that was something you'd never done before. Never done before, because you never like, I would never think about it. And then before you know it, you get there and you're like, fuck, like this is, it feels brand new to you again. Cause you only fight a couple of times a year if you're lucky, but instead I seen these things a million times in my mind already.

1:51:24Like, yeah, physically I wasn't there, but mentally, like, I'm already in this locker room. I'm already, I've already walked in the cage. which already made the walk. Like they would make custom music for me that I would listen with my walkout music, Kelvin's walkout music, crowd noise. And I would listen to it before sparring and when I'm shadow boxed and then shit like that. Like, and I would just like felt so prepared doing it. And I just never did anything like that before. And yeah, it's a fucking game changer. Let's interesting because they do say that visualization actually helps skill learning as much as training.

1:52:00Yeah, like if you are training, but then also visualizing things. It's getting as much time. You'll your training your improvements will be compounded Oh 100 % and like I'm blanking on a million other things we do, but like that's like the big ones Like just visualizing what you want to do and not just the good the bad too Like so I would think about like if I get ready for Kelvin Everyone is like I'm gonna get knocked out. I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna get that So I would visualize getting fucking dropped and having to get back in or getting rocked or Going for a takedown getting stuffed and half and the recover from that and go and win the fight because they're not gonna You're not gonna.

1:52:39It's not always gonna go your way. So Visualizing the bad but still making it out with the good which I didn't do with ballaw like he rocked me in that moment And I was still there instead of just making that switch and be like you're good like go back and just getting back to the fight I just never could get back. Is that partially attributable just also to getting hit? Because sometimes when guys get hit, they get, they're out of it. Like you've seen many guys that go back at the fourth round. They don't know what round they're... No, because I remember everything. I was definitely buzzing me, but I remember just putting my hands up and I just couldn't throw them on my punch and I heard the 10 second clap go off.

1:53:22I thought I was going to get saved by the bell and I was gonna make it to the next round and I never did. Well, it was an interesting stoppage because it was one of the rare UFC stoppages with the guy standing up. Yeah, it's very rare. Yeah, I never, and that's what I'm saying. Like I didn't get dropped and I remember everything. I remember here in the clapper, my coaches were right behind me. I could hear my coach John Screamin. He's good, he's good, he's good. And he stopped it, which good on him, but I just couldn't do what I wanted to do. It was a very supportive when a fight gets stopped when it doesn't get stopped and The thing that sucks the most is when a fight is stopped too late.

1:54:01Yeah, you mean like for sure You know the Jalen Turner Bobby Green fight that was bad that was bad that was so bad. Okay, sorry for that right? Oh my god. I was like stop the fight. What is happening? It was like 20 something Unanswered strikes or something like that. That is so hard watch. Yeah, it was um So unnecessary. It was bad. But yeah, back to like, like the mental performance stuff, like it was just really just all came down to just me just being focused for 15 minutes. Because like we, you can be doing anything and just you're fucking driving, but you're looking all like you're not, you're not in the moment, you know, and that's something like now I try to like, I try to do and everything I do in my life.

1:54:44If I'm walking my dog, I'll leave my phone at home and just try to be present doing the thing you're doing at the time, not wearing, there's so much noise and other shit. And when I'm fighting, like the only thing I'm fucking thinking about is fighting. And. Well, just having the tools in terms of like having strategies and having a pathway that's pretty carved in your mind for all these different scenarios has got to be beneficial. It's way better than just winging it. No, yeah. And that's the thing. If you're just winging it and like he, they wanted me to even get to the arena and like go walk it before the fight.

1:55:18I couldn't get in like he would have they used to have GSP go in the day before the fight and like actually already be in the arena and Feel that and already like see that I couldn't do that this fight But if I get the chance like before I go and fight my next fight I'm going to go fucking walk around that cage feel the canvas and just yeah cuz you only get to do it once So Kelvin was ranked right? Well, where was Kelvin? I was ranked at middleweight. Oh, yeah So this is what's the way cuz it's a debut he I was number nine going into that fight I'm number seven now, but because he was a virgin, he's supposed to fight Chavcock.

1:55:51Chavcock got her and then they matched this up. And I don't know what he's going to do if he's going to stay at 70, go back to 85, but I'm number seven at 70 now. So it's I don't think he has that over a hard of a time making it down to 70. I just think he has to make some adjustments. Yeah, for sure. You know, for sure. When you go back to when Calvin was in his prime, I mean, just I just really think 170 was always the wait for him. I just think he needs to do it the right way like he needs to do it at the P .I. If you if you look at the people he's beat like he's fought everyone and the guys he's lost to they're all close fights about the outside fight very close very close I watched a fight so many times I'm like great he's fucking Calvin's good he's fast his hand to the right left.

1:56:37Yeah fucking straight left. I had so many guys thought like just get ready for that fight because I watched all this fight I watched what he did to all these guys when he knocked out Bisman when he He beat Jockeray. Like he's being all these guys. He beat Johnny Hendrix. Like he's, like you go and look at his record. You're like, holy shit. This guy fought all these guys and he has so much experience. I think he had like five or six main events. He fought Chris Wideman, dropped him, bad in the first round. Wideman submitted him in the third round, but fucking got floored before that. So you're thinking like this is that 185, he's going to hit way harder at 170.

1:57:12So I trained my fucking ass off for that fight. And but yeah, once I got him to the ground, I'm like, this is where I'm going to win this. Well, you are in that weight class, one of the absolute elite grapplers. And that was really established in that fight. Yeah. I mean, I was so impressed with your control, your ability. I mean, he's a good grappler. Yeah. Tell me it's a very good grappler. And you're a manhandler. Yeah. It's like the same thing. It's just like having, like, I have a path I'm going to do on the ground. And you turn this way, I have something for that. You turn it's like a map in my mind and it fucking like you might think you're getting out But I'm just putting you in a direction.

1:57:52I want to put you on and Yeah, I love like that like almost like that slow cook approach like take you down where you out Second round same thing and then I like I submitted Jake Matthews in the third Kelvin in the third Obviously if I can get it in the first round, but um Yeah, when you wear on guys like there's nothing better than that feeling like yeah, cuz you can feel it like like you can feel when you're on top of somebody and they're just slowly, slowly, like their energy's just getting zapped. Yeah, so have there been talks about when you're gonna come back and who you might likely be facing?

1:58:24So there's that Atlantic City card, it's March 30th. So it's still like 11, 12 weeks away. I just wanna make sure my hands good before I go back into anything. So maybe April timeframe will be there, but I would like to call be fight. He's ranked five now he hasn't beaten anybody inside the top 15. He has no ranked wins Mazda all doesn't fight anymore all the guys he's beat like they're not even in the UFC Right so and then there's Wonder Boy wait right ahead of me. I don't know what he's gonna do I know like they're like they don't want to put him with your grappler, you know like so and I get that But if it's gonna be like that I don't think you should be in the rankings either like if you're if you're gonna pick and choose and he deserves to He's done a lot in the sport go have your fun fights like Terrence Crawford, but put someone else in the division But yeah, there's there's a couple big fights Luke is right behind me so that could be a fight that they match they could match us up Have they given you any indication of which way they might be going?

1:59:26Not yet. Not yet. How does that work? Like do you just get a call one day? They reach out to your manager I guess they and then your manager calls you and they're like hey like this is what they're thinking and then and it's literally like that simple. Like you just go from there, but if you have an injury or something like that, you kind of let them know what's going on. So I just told them, I'm like, give me a weaker two to see kind of how my hands feeling and cause I'm gonna try to do absolutely nothing and just let it rest. And if it feels good, like I would love the fight in AC, like I fought in AC, I won belts in AC.

1:59:57Like it's, it was like my bat fighting in failure, fighting in AC, like fucking we'd all go out and party afterwards when we were younger. It was great. But it was the drive like 45 minutes like an hour. It's the easiest drive ever But being home over driving home. They're like all right. It's only an hour It's not that bad. We used to get fucking rowdy and AC when I was younger It would be awesome to do that again, but um, yeah, I just want to make it But I just I don't want to rush into it and start a training camp with my hand fucked up Yeah, especially because I'm in a good position now, you know number seven.

2:00:29I haven't had a big win and And yeah, I think I would like to call me just because he's always got, like, not he's won his fights, but he's always kind of gotten like easier path to the title. So I think he should have the fight somebody younger than him, rank behind him. And then if he deserves it, he'll win that fight. And then he can go back. But if not, let the younger guys move up. It's going to be interesting what happens with him now after that fight because it's obvious that you can't give him another title shot. No. Right? So it's not like you can go right back in. Yeah. Yeah. He absolutely could earn another title shot in the future.

2:01:08Yeah. With a bunch of wins. Yeah. It's still possible. Yeah. But you know, what is that path like and who do they match? He's calling out him. He wouldn't wonder boy. I'm like, no. Like you're like, come on. Like come. Let me let's like you're one of the best grapplers in the division. I'm one of the best. Like let's fucking me and you do it. And let's see who wins, you know, we're right next to each other in the rankings like that's what I want I'd love to see that fight. That's what I want wasn't Sean your bad motherfucker appreciate you always love watching fight Thank you Joe super high level.

2:01:38I just I love watching high level crap. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's so awesome looking up I didn't realize I see you and I didn't realize fucking Gorda was right next to you I'm like I was talking to Dana. I'm like there's Joe. I'm like there's Gordon on my damn. This is it was it was awesome So man, fucking thank you for having me man. Hey my pleasure brother, it was cool being there right inside. Dude, I like watching fights so much better than comedy. If you can just get this hit, then watch. It's so fun and that fight was really fun. It was really fun to be able to watch live upfront. So congratulations.

2:02:07Thank you Joe. And good luck to you brother. Thank you brother, I appreciate it. Tell everybody your Instagram and social media. Sean Brady MMA on Instagram and yeah, that's it. Okay, good luck. Thank you Joe. Thanks everybody.

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