JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

22:51Exactly. With that, with that, you know what I mean? I know he doesn't push it, but I know he sees all this stuff. It's like, it's crazy. Like, because I saw him talking about the BMF. And did you see that one with that bit with RC? When he told RC that he should, who should, I should fight for the BMF. And I know this respect to him, but like, come on DC. What the hell? Like he's so off line on that side, you know. He's out of pocket. Yeah, he's so out of pocket like calling that, you know. Well, he's out of pocket because he's so biased towards wrestling. Yeah, yeah. He wants, he's like, there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights.

23:24Like, I think there's about a BMF belt is, you know. Well, it can be takedowns if it happens, but it, you know, just have it just because you want takedowns. Yeah. Bring a wrestler in. Yeah, yeah. But that belt is a special belt. You know, it's, it's a wild belt. It's like, it is a wild. It's wild. It's wild. This is wild fights. It's what, you know what? You know what? It's funny. You know what? You know what? It's funny because I see a lot of these guys, these MMA guys, guys, some guys who's just like even doing MMA, I see everything brother. From like the low level MMA guys that's trying to come up to, made to high.

23:57And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF or whatever blah, blah. And then now that I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting, it's worth. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, everybody's saying, oh, no undisputed, well, I was on the speed of champion. I have the BMF belt now. What is it? You know, you cannot tell. Well, I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these number and champions. What now you tell me what it is, you know, at the end of the day, the belt is cool. And I always tell everybody, the belt is cool, but you guys got to understand what brings with the belt.

24:27What the emotions it brings and what kind of fight it brings to a card, you know, like that. That our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300, you understand? It's insane, you know. 100%. And the crazy thing is there was two insane fights after your fight. Your fight was so good that two insane world title fights afterwards. And to happen after it. And still, people talk about your fight. And I feel so bad for the girls because I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media. And it was such a crazy fight, brother. Amazing fight. But, but I think so people was just they just had a adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight, you know?

25:04I lost my voice. Bro, I lost my voice. I really did. I've never lost my voice ever. Yeah. You have to fight. But when you dropped it, I was the first time I ever stood up. I couldn't sit down. I was standing up. I was just like, I saw that. I saw he stand up. That was the first time I sit. And it was just what? Dana had the greatest quote in the post fight press conference. He said, I sell holy shit moments. When people ask me, what do I do for a living? Look at this. I couldn't even sit down. I had to get up. I had to hold on to those guys. I'm holding on to them. That is awesome. It's funny when they started putting cameras on us.

25:42Because we've been doing that forever. Like, DC and I go crazy. We hug each other. We go nuts. Yeah. When something crazy happens, it's like, what? What? I'm glad. I'm glad they did. Because to see you, like, see fans and reactions to the fight is cool. But they're fans. But then when you see, like, our peers and guys like you and my fight and other fighters and commentators of the sport that you've been around forever. So to see you do that, that would, like, that brings a humongous smile to my face. Like, holy shit. I didn't make you roll in the whole shit. You know what I say? To this day. And I do it based on my reaction.

26:18Obviously, this is personal. I say it's the greatest knockout of all time. The reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time was because everybody thought that Justin was going to be overpowering you. He was a bigger guy. He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier. You had lost the last fight to Volkanovsky. You hadn't been in title contention since then. You had a bunch of great wins. But here you're going to fight this bigger guy and all these people are writing you off. All these people were saying that it did. And you're tuning him up. And you did have to overcome getting knocked down.

26:47And you did have adversity. You had to deal with that. And then for you to stand, winning four rounds to one in the middle of the octagon, you had to point at the ground with 10 seconds left. And then to knock him out with one second left. The way I reacted, the way I jumped up, I've never done that before. I've all even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman. That was another crazy one. Yeah, that's for you. Before that, I was said that was the greatest knockout of all time. Because he was down. He was down four rounds. And John Anick just had the perfect call. He said that is not the cloth from which he is.

27:15And he blew him. And he blew his head. I get a movie. So that was number one before. But you are number one now. Thank you, brother. That's number one. Because just impact all time, like complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt. They don't think about it as a gimmick or all of you. Because it was the wildest crazy fight with an undeniable number one contender in Justin versus you. It's wild how it happened. Yeah, the whole thing was wild. I mean, you only as good as your last fight, right? That's what it is. That's what it is. This is not like baseball or like hockey where you can just shut the bed on a Tuesday.

27:58And then you come back out on a Friday. And then you're just a man of the world again. You know, like you shut like this stuff happened. You have a bad fight. Like with Alex, that fight don't get erased off until I have something great. And even if you have a good fight, you know what I mean? Like I had a good fight with Arnold. But they still like Alex, he did that. Right. And then I did it with Kareen Zahm. And then I had a knockout over Kareen Zahm. And then they're like, yeah, but Kareen is old and blah, blah. And then finally now it is just not everybody forgets. You know, like it takes us a while to be able to forget about your last fight.

28:27You know, so it was this, it was amazing, bro. You know, like to see everybody go crazy. Like in my mind, like a lot of people ask me, what's going to remind me when you're doing that? You're up for one. I'm like, brother, that was in my mind the whole time. I'm like, bro, we wanted to 10 seconds. I was like, I remember counting the, I remember being a minute. I remember my coach yelling a minute max. They clean. And then I was like, a minute. I was like, oh hell yeah, 15 more seconds until we go to the center. And then we're going to swing in my mind. And then he's like 40 seconds. I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow.

28:55You know what I mean? I'm like, why is it taking forever? And then he's like, come and die like 30 seconds. And then he's like, okay, 20 seconds. And then he does, and he go right after the 20 seconds mark underneath a couple of seconds after he does his rolling thunder. And then it pushed me to a point of perfectly circle out. And then that's when I said, I did the like, oh, come here. You know, let's go here. Let's do it. Because that was just everybody's losing their mind. But to me, this is normal. This is the second time. This is the second time I did it. Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say, the first time was a record of it.

29:29They say, no Justin, Justin Gachi, you know, but you know, why not? Why not? If he was to put, if he was going to put me out, then, then so be it. You know, I live by the sword. Well, it was a wild ending to fight. There's a rolling thunder dam. That was a nice rolling thunder, too. That was nice. It was close. No, right here. This is so crazy, Max. Oh, that was crazy. It's the greatest. It has to be the greatest knockout. It has to be.

30:05And then you, he flexed and walking around. Come on, man. This is the greatest one. They got the sickest picture of me, bro. They had the sickest picture of me when I'm flexing and I'm over. I love Justin, bro. I freaking love the man. But they have like the, you know, like the Muhammad, the Muhammad Layli picture. Yeah, they got a moment of me like that. I got a painting for you. I told you I got a Brawz Bains. He's an amazing artist. He made an incredible painting. And it's on the way. I had someone go back to my house to go grab it. Sick. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful.

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33:05That's buffalotracedustillery .com. Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof. Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family owned, independent and perfectly untamed. But yeah, that was a wild moment, man. It's a complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights. Like you are the fucking man now. Like whatever, whatever next page of you, you're in holy shit. That's going to be big. And if it's you in Markichav or if it's you in Ilya, you in Ilya would be crazy. Brother, brother so much fun. Woo! So much fun, brother. I know. Is that Spain, is that three oh fuck, when is there going to be a UFC spurs?

33:56Perth is three oh five, right? I don't think they're going to go Spain this year. I don't think they can. I think so. They know I'd said it, uh, sitting in the, uh, in the 300 conference. Mm -hmm. After fight conference, you said that, uh, uh, we're going with Spain. It just takes a time because you got to book something and it's like going to be like a year and a half. Good. That fight should be big. I mean, it's just, yeah, yeah. Let's go back to work. I hope, I hope Vegas. Or Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Or, or, or, uh, Vegas, Legion Stadium. Oh. 66 ,000, brother. That's what it is. Did you use their 300 night, brother?

34:31Did you not see all the Hawaiian flags? They were everywhere. Bro, that's the, that is the ninth island, brother. Give me, you can't, we can't go to UFC Hawaii. Give me a Legion Stadium and that's, that's, that's good. Go crazy there. Oh my God. Oh my God. You can sell it. Legion Stadium for a big UFC. 100 % they can sell it. I mean, every UFC sells out like that. They sell out so quickly. Oh my God. So they scout tickets and a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card. Because you know, they're doing the sphere, which is going to be wild. Yeah. That's going to be wild.

35:03Who do you think, who do you think will be in the sphere? That's a good question, right? Because that's, isn't it, it's Mexican Independence Day? Yeah, like it's September. Yes, it's September. Yeah, well, I don't think they have it set up like who. Yeah, Mexicans like to call me as their own. So I might even be in the sphere. Who knows? They count you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck. What a crazy night, Max. What a crazy night. And to, to, to have that happen again, like where there's two amazing fights after yours. Oh yeah. And everybody's still just talking about your.

35:36Yeah, I know. I was, I mean, even with the, I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple of minutes after my, my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me, hey, he's like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of, on top of Instagram and YouTube and everything. I was like, what? They never do that. Yeah, they never did that. They only did this for, they only did it for sugar. And I was like, what? This is crazy. So we saw, I thought this is lying, you know, and they saw it was there. Three different angles. And I reposted it. Yeah. I was like, if you have sees post in this, I'm posted shit too.

36:07Like, does it crazy? Is it a knockout of all time? Bro, the craziest angle is the one when they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they pause me and then they, they do it through 60 view. Yeah. And then they played again. I'm like, bro, that's, that's insane, bro. Yeah. What does it feel like when it's all over? Does it feel like a dream? Like, what does it feel like when it's over? Bro, I said, I, you know, like, I stood, I'm still getting used to it. I don't even know. You know, I feel normal. I said, life's still normal, but like, I'm getting, brother, walking down six street last night to get my dinner.

36:35I was getting a rest. Like, not a rest. Like, nicely a rest. But like, people like, yeah, like, you're getting, I always get noticed, but like, these guys, like, it's a, it's out and about way more, you know? And so it's just a mate, bro, even like, guys who don't even look like they watch fighting. You know, grandma's and grandpa's at airports. Like, hey, you're, you're the guy. I'm the guy. Well, that clip got so viral too. You know, that, that clip was so viral. It was everywhere. It was tick -tock and YouTube was everywhere. Yeah, bro. We are my, so I want to, I want to mother agent on our team, Daniel.

37:06He did like, he's like a numbers guy, whatever. And the Google, the Google search on me was like, crazy, bro. I think so. I think so is in like the billions. Like after I was insane, it was something stupid. I was like, oh, wow. I didn't even know you could look that up. I told him. Yeah. That's what makes it very interesting for your next fight. Because your next fight is going to be huge. It's going to be huge. Like, you're a fucking bonafide superstar now. Like your next fight is going to be nuts. Can't wait, bro. I don't know who it is, who it was. What, what the UFC want to do? But like you said, that option, bro, in this game, you all want options.

37:44This side of the options. And there's so many options in your area too, right? Like, sugar has been talking about fighting Toporia at 45. Well, if sugar's willing to fight Toporia at 45, he's willing to fight Max at 45, right? Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. You're mad? It's crazy. It's crazy matchups all over the place. In a perfect world, you're actually in a perfect world, you know what I mean? In a perfect world, if I could have it my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight corner. You know, I think that corner, that corner, if I would be huge, whatever, but we don't know what he's going to do. So like, if that's out, in a perfect world to me, it would be fight, Elia, 45 title, get my hand raised.

38:23And whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ stats, whatever it is. Or even troop belts, you know, like 45, the BMF and put it put the BMF in the 55 against whoever had 55 and that'd be, that'd be so real. You know, I think that would be crazy. Well, there's an option too if they'd really do this corner, 165 title. There's an option you'd be in a three champ. That would be insane. If they didn't 165 would be fun. That would be fun. You don't have to cut anyway. Oh, no. You can eat sushi every day. Oh, I would eat sushi. I would eat sushi way in there. As I out eat on the scale.

38:56What is your walk around? Wait, like what's right now? Me right now, I walk around like, before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75, nothing crazy. Oh, that's not too crazy. Yeah, nothing crazy, nothing crazy. I was in there against, they make us check our weight now. And I was only 172 when we went in against Gachi. When you were fighting a featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought? I'd be around like 65. I'd get up high 60s, maybe 68 at the highest. So did you, I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning. Your YouTube channel's great, by the way. Oh, thank you.

39:31And it's really cool how you document pretty much everything. You're showing all your training, all these different stuff. So you did a lot of strength and conditioning. We did a lot of strength. We did a lot of strength. So a lot of people is talking about matching Gachi strength. And I, our team didn't want to. We wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast. We knew we was faster than Gachi. So our main focus, everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to it. Of course, endure his strikes, you know, but the main thing that we wanted to focus on was speed. Like, I knew I could, I could, I'll go, I'll go on them.

40:03And in the fit round when we really hurt him, hurt him, I'll go on them with speed, you know, I hit like, I hit him with like five, five hits. And, and the one that you don't see heard you the most, you know, and the last right hand on that, in that little combination early in the fit round is what hurt him the most, you know, made him like, I, I stunned him a little bit. So, Wiz is working on speed, brother, you know, like we had 12 weeks. You really can't. I wasn't willing to give, to put strength to give up conditioning. So I was like, I'm going to be speed and condition. And that's the way I fight, you know, I, if you go look at it, a lot of people is looking at stats from mindset, his fight, I'll be like, how much he's chosen strikes and how much I throw in strikes, how much, how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit.

40:43And I was like, brother, that cannot be right. And then the stats is, you know, and I'm like, no way. And when you look at the stats, this guy had 12 fights and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC. That's what come, our stats is so close to each other because I have so much more fights than his, and then even that, what I had a lot of time in the octagon and he just didn't because he would, he had not guys out, you know, I mean, yeah, he had that beautiful power. So, you know, at then in the day, like, you know, the number, some of the numbers that these guys is putting out there, I was like, brother, you guys need to do, you guys homework, you know, yeah, you need to stop looking at the surface level, like start digging into it.

41:16Yeah. Yeah. When you, I was interesting to, what you just said about strength and conditioning, you, you're not willing to give up conditioning for strength. Uh -huh. So, so how do you approach that? Like when, when you made a decision to go to 55, so the poor, you go to 55, but you did it. I'm pretty short notice. Yeah. Yeah. We had like, so the way we train is I always take two weeks off before fights. So it was like six weeks. And then so we actually had four weeks to train for them. And I was like, I mean, put up the picture of poor punch me in my face. There's a famous picture of poor punch me in my face.

41:50I look back when you said, do you take two weeks off before the fight? What do you mean? So like, like, strength and conditioning. So I don't do no strength conditioning, like the week before the fight. Like maybe we do like a little lift or whatever, but it's just something you maintain, like because you can't get faster or stronger two weeks before fight or even the week, right? So even with cardio, it's not going to anything I do the week before the fight is not going to help me. And anything I do the week of the fight is not going to help me. All the hard work is done. And that's what these guys, look at how fat I was.

42:18Look at that top right one, that top right one right there. Look how fat I was. Yeah, look at that. Yeah. That's muffin top max. So you just, he zooms in. Wow. Wow, you're an asshole.

42:34So you only had four weeks and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks. Or anything, you know, and I was like, and I didn't, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time. So, you know, he meals was crazy before I ate out every night. I was terrible. And as he kissed me, as he keeps, keeps me clean. So it is what it is. You know, I hate using an experience, uh, uh, excuses because, you know, at Dustin, I came out there and fought hard and we fought hard and I ain't taking that away from Dustin. So whatever I did was on me. And, you know, if that fight, if we get a third one, then that, I think it would be a pretty fun one.

43:09Oh, it would be amazing. That would be wild. A third fight between you guys would be wild, especially if he beats Islam. If he beats Islam, that would be crazy. That would be crazy. How much is the odds I'm betting on him jumping a gilly? Yeah, he's going to try. You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery, the comedian, when he, I ain't never going to stop over. That's what he was doing. He's doing William Montgomery from Killtony. I didn't know. I'm a friends with William Montgomery. I love that, dude. And I was just, you're not a good friend then, you know, what the hell?

43:41You know, I felt like a bad friend, but really what it is is like when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that, interviews are complicated. You're locked in, bro. I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible. I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions and so I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plus, I didn't, I just like, no way. Yeah, you're locked in, bro. You're locked in, bro. You're locked in. But Tony texted me, he goes, did he just quote William Montgomery? I'm like, no way, really? Is that what that was? And then, and then really texted you, fuck you.

44:11Right? No, they had been going back and forth. He apparently Dustin told me was going to say it in his post, but yeah, yeah, yeah, they've been DM and each other. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's hilarious. That's the man, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

44:32Yeah, I'll do it. I'll never stop doing it. I'll stop doing it.

44:39No, that's not one of those. He's one of the good guys in our sport. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I love Dustin. I love Dustin. And I was glad for him to get that win over Benoit Sandinia as a monster. Monster killer, bro. He's a killer, bro. Yeah. That's another fight, right? Look, see, he's going to get staff. Yeah. So he's got staff on his forehead. He's got to take care of the products. If you ever had staff. No, bro. Not that really. That's amazing. Yeah. How have you avoided staff? Yeah, brother. I'm clean, I guess. I guess. I guess. Some guys, some dirty mother eff was, I think. You know?

45:11Well, you get staff easy. You get staff easy. No, I know. Some guys, I mean, once he's in your system, you just got to get weir -wakin, right? So one of our friends, he's pretty bad with it. He's always got staff every other week, feels like. Oh, really? Yeah, it's terrible. Does he take showers? Brother, he does everything. I don't know what it is. It is bad luck, I think. Another thing is people mistakenly use antibacterial soap. You don't want antibacterial soap. You want to keep your healthy gut floor. I tell everybody, I know the guy owns a company. I have no affiliation with it, but defense soap.

45:47If you're a grappler, it's the shit. Defense soap is all natural. It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil. And he has all kinds of products. Everything from stuff to clean wipes. If you can't get to a shower quick enough. If you're training in a place that's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower, they have wipes until you get home. They have soaps and ointments. That's the most crazy thing, bro, right? When people like, I see people like, we train. And then we have a shower at the gym. And some of them just like, change their clothes and like, I got to go home. It's like, what the hell? Did you shower?

46:21I said, no, no, I got to leave. I was like, the hell? No way, you know? Like, I live like 45 minutes. Some of them live like maybe 15 minutes. Like 50 minutes enough for a ringworm or something to like, wake up, you know? So it's like, brother, jump in there, get a rinse off. Yeah, I've had ringworm, I've had staff twice. I've had ringworm a couple of times. It's annoying. It's annoying. The ringworm is irritating. The defense soap is the shit. Tell everybody, get on that. And it doesn't mess up because it's all natural. It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil. And smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin floor.

46:54I knew this dude who had ringworm. And so he started using antibacterial soap. And he got it everywhere. It's spread over his chest. And then what it does to it, burns your skin. So like, so like when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm, I remember people used to like bleach them. And then you'd be bleached, you'd have a bleached circle. I was like, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm on a psycho dudes use bleach. That's a crazy move. Poor bleach on an open wound. Look at the fuck are you, what are you doing, man? So for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were gonna fight at 55 and that you're gonna fight Justin?

47:32Brother, so there is an idea of maybe, maybe it doesn't happen for a while, but we didn't know. And then we got confirmed. I think was like 10 to 12 weeks. I don't know what it was. So it was like 10 to 12 weeks. So it was like more than enough time. This is like, yeah, we had so much time brother. We was planning, I got the train, I got the lift. I was already, we was training a lot. My last fight was in August. So I was in the gym training getting ready. Brother, after the vote, after the vote can, Islam too fight, I was like, there is no way they're letting this guy turn around. So I really thought there was gonna try and ask me, me to go fight Ilya in January or something.

48:11I went to Toronto. I fought in Toronto twice. I wanna enter home. I defended the belt there. I have a following in Toronto. I called it a tent island. I like to call it, but I love the Canadians. They're literally the best. So I was thinking like, man, we're gonna get caught. You know, like there's no way that he's gonna fight. And then they did. If they this moved it from January to February, they put the other card, whatever, they switched it around. So I was already training and then, yeah, I couldn't tell you when, but I knew we had at least 12 weeks. At least 12 weeks. So when did you know that it was gonna be 55?

48:48And when did you know it was gonna be for the BMF belt? 12, 12 weeks. 12 weeks. So had you already had a plan to put weight on? Did you already had a plan like strength, the conditioning plan and did you? Oh, for sure. As soon as we, as soon as the talks of maybe, we might even fight Gachi at all was like, we just got a, we, our plan was what I say was like, we gotta put on size to endure damage, but then let's not lose the speed. That's my, my, my, my, my head coach, Darren, yeah, Patatna, the best training condition in all of the way. And if somebody got a problem, then they can, they can meet me somewhere anywhere.

49:21You know that's it. But you know, all jokes aside, he's the, he's the man, bro. And he's the one that was like, yeah, you know, like I, like, look, I know you want to get strong max. He's the one that came up with it. It's like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro. We still need your speed. And we got our work this guy, you know, like, he always weaponized my cardio. It was like, brother, wherever we fight, you're gonna work on. So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to, he didn't, he was the main one. He's like, I don't want to give up strength.

49:51I don't want to give up conditioning for strength, brother. Like, because the idea is the more muscle you have, the more endurance it's gonna require. Yeah, and especially like even with everybody, like I trained with bigger guys, you know, here and there. And I never ever once felt like, holy shit, this guy is so much stronger than me. Like I never ever once felt that way. You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, oh, this guy's really strong. So I try to go with him. I was like, ah, he's all right. You know, it's not like, oh my god. He's gonna be strong. So I feel like I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess.

50:22Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not making feel as strong as he is, you know. And that's what it is, you know, I keep telling a lot of these, a lot of these MMA guys are just people coming up, or even my amateur fighters that's coming up, but just keep telling them like, brother, there's no difference between me and you. The only difference is my experience, you know, like even with UFC fighters, you know, like the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset, you know.

50:55Top 10 to five, experience mindset, five to championship same thing, and then the champion and maybe like the top three guys, I've said that, is like, is this a mind thing, brother, this shit is easy. Most of these things that is hard is because you make it hard. A lot of guys make it hard for themselves. I'm like, what are you doing? You're beating yourself off for what? This is just fucking practice, get better. I mean, there's all you gotta do, stop being yourself up and. But you have a great mentality for that. You're able to like go past losses easily. Is what it is and you keep moving and you're on the path.

51:24But for some people, like the losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success. And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser. But even with that, the whole identity thing, that's what it is, like even when like, you see guys with retiring from other sports or other sports, like they have that identity crisis because they're so known for one thing. And that's gonna tell them like, that's gonna my love doing other stuff. Like people, bro, oh my God, I stream, I stream on kick now. I stream on kick .com. And brother, during the whole fight, I'm streaming there like, yup, thank you for this Max.

51:57I'm putting my house on Gachy now. He's training while you're playing fucking video games. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours of the day. Like a fucking cyborg or something. What the hell? Like, yup, yup, yup, you, yeah. Look at you over here. I forget, I do slots in there, you know, I got it, we play fun. He's like, yup, look at you doing this shit. Losing my, you're gonna lose your fight too. I'm like, what the fuck? You can't get to break, bro. Those are just losers. Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that, you're a loser.

52:29There's no way you're a winner. It's not possible. It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do. No one comes to you, like that's Mike, he's the best. No one, no chance. If you're commenting like that on people, you're just, you're a loser. And that's unfortunate. I've been a loser in my life, you know, it's, it's a, it's common. Yeah. It's common, but you're a loser. And winners don't think that way. And the idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind wise in the middle of camp, you're out of your fucking mind. You don't understand. Yeah, brother. You don't understand what you're talking about.

53:01I like talking to mighty, because mighty, me and mighty, do any of you, Molls. Might as the best. Yeah, he's a man and he was just telling me, like it's so funny, because every time I tell everybody, like fighting is easy. Like a lot of people look at me crazy, they're like, what do you mean, he's like, bro, anything you're doing life is easy, is just that you make it hard. A lot of assholes make it hard for themselves. Like it's actually pretty easy, you know, it's like if you look at the steps, these are the steps, yeah, you might fall down in the sense of, in the sense of actually getting it done, it's going to be hard work.

53:31But it's easy, because you know what you got to do, right? And I told mighty, when I told my neighbor, fighting, mighty was the first guy ever that said like, bro, that's what I tell everybody. I told fighting is easy. I was like, holy shit, if the MMA goal is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me, go harass him, you know what I mean, go tell him, he said it too. I think it's easy for you and I think it's easy for mighty because you guys are real champions. You have this champion mindset and that's what people need to learn. They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things and a mindset for staying positive.

54:04100%. That's what it's really what it's about. 100%. You can apply that to anything in life. So it got like you, that's a champion in MMA, you could do anything man. All you need is just like whatever that thing is, focus on that thing and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career. Oh yeah, as I told, I thought everybody, I told it's so funny, you never meet my wife, she always was like, you so lucky, it wasn't a suffer. I would have been a world champion suffer. I was like, I'm bad at surf, I'm bad, I thought, but you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it because I want to be bad ass.

54:39Yeah, I'm sure and that's a fact. How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick? Brother, just practice bro. Did anybody show you? Do you remember? Do you remember me telling you it was here, it's a bio -crypt about me learning strikes and the game. I was one of the strikes. That's one of the strikes brother. I saw the strikes in the game. I was like, Henning Barrel, Henning Barrel, I saw it through it, through it nice. I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him brother, we need to do this spinning back kick shit. It's so good and it's a secret weapon. And then the thing is funny because in the game, I was throwing it close.

55:14Like a lot of people threw it from distance, but I thought it really close, almost inclinched. That's why I asked. And I told him like, bro, this is gonna be a secret weapon. I remember Dustin Kimura, he was in the UFC for a little bit. And I was trying to make him practice it with me. I remember him saying one time, like, fuck this kick, it's kick his stupidest hill. And then we kept practicing, kept practicing. Another guy, a big guy came down training us and he dropped them when it's being back kicked. From the clinch, right? And I was like, what I told you about that. I told you, this fucking kick is a secret weapon.

55:46How are you practicing it close up? What's the drill? He would just stand close. I was like, bro, I would get my timing from it being a distance first. And then we'd be like, live it closer and be like, bro, we gotta focus on his bringing our knee up and then pushing it out at the last second. And the main thing was just bringing a knee up and snapping your head around. Snap your head around first, see where you're gonna land. So you don't kick each other in the freaking growing area because it happened a couple times to me and him. So, but yeah, it was like bringing a knee up high, look and then push it.

56:15Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag? Yeah, I practice on the bag. Touch the bag with the shoulder. Just jumps back, jump back. And I create my distance from jumping me, jumping away from the bag and it's that. Yes, exactly. If you can develop that, that is a secret weapon because it's one of those techniques, it's like, you remember when the calf kick came along, everybody's gonna throw a calf kick. If you could develop that, Yaya has it. Yaya does it really well. But this was a giant moment in the beginning of the fight. Look how close you are. Look how close you are. To be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose, his nose was gone.

56:50Yeah, it was pretty well. I mean, you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round and from then on. What a fucking fight, man. I watch that fight at least 10 times. No bullshit, at least. That's awesome. I watch it over and over again in the gym. I would lie to tell you if I didn't watch it that much. And dude, I always pause. I always pause no matter what I'm doing. If I'm at the gym, I pause for that last 10 seconds. Just like this, like how is this real? How is this real? You got that jump spinning back kick down, dude. You got it down in the most unusual way, which is the hot back and then throw it.

57:27Like, Graham and Daniels does that really good. Yeah, right, even you, like back in the day, when it was a video game and I started looking at spinning back kicks. There was a clip of you hitting a fucking killing a back, bro. Yeah. I was like, what the fuck, do you want to get fight? What the hell is going on? He's like, kill you with spinning back kick. There's only one clip of me in a tight window fight and it's me not going to do that with a spinning back kick. Holy shit. And I sent him flying. But it's the same exact move. The guy's moving forward and I just jump and spin it at the same time.

57:54It was the same move because I was like in the air when I landed it. That's crazy. That was my favorite thing to do. So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games, which is so crazy. When you told me that the first time I was like, what? I thought, oh, we went to like a traditional karate school and then he started studying at Moitai when he was 10. No, no, no, no, no. I saw cool stuff happening in the game. It was like, oh, bro, we could put this together in real life and that, bro, Dustin. We never have striking coach. And I didn't have Ivan yet.

58:21And then after that, our counter fight is when Ivan Ivan Flores joined my camp. So and then with him, with that, bro, Ivan is a genius. Like he's like, rule, like he like he loves the basic stuff. But then when I tried to tell him or or showing fancy stuff or I see Moitai doing shit like sweep the leg and they elbow and stuff or whatever, it's like, it's crazy, you know, like even even this fight week, bro. Like if you watch the fight a bunch of times, I'm doing this right kick. I do this right kick and then I just step over on my right hand or against Gachi. Yes. I just saw we saw that like we practice that.

58:54I do that a bunch of times in all the fights. But then like two weeks before the fight, he sent me a clip on Instagram, be like, oh, look at this, watch this. And was I forget who it was, but the guy the Moitai guy was right kicking. He set up with a right low kick. Next one, right low kick right over hand. And like hurt and kills guys, but he's like downing guys with it. And then I was like, holy shit. We know Justin likes to like stay there after kicks to throw. So I was like, brother, this is going to work on Justin. So we just kind of added in our game at 12, bro. I think I'm going to throw this in the fight.

59:23He's like, yeah, it's practice it. You know, so I haven't flourished in the man, bro. He's the man. You have an amazing camp. Yeah, the whole my coach is the man. You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people. But you also, it's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp is maybe better for some athletes. Because there's a lot of guys who want to go to like ATT. But you know, the guy, like I talked to Jim Miller about this. And he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching. Yeah, I'm running his gym.

59:54And that's in the day. These big camps, you know, like even in Vegas, bro, like I hear everybody going to Vegas and training training. And like, bro, like one of the guys out there was like, the wow, wow, Wes. So like, how do you get better every day? You're going to train and just knowing I might fight this guy. You know what I mean? I might have to fight this guy. You know, like I have guys my weight, some guys my weight in my class and I told my brother, like I will tell him, like if we ever got to the point where we're both in the UFC, we're fighting for freaking a lot of money, like you better sign the damn contract.

1:00:27We don't kill each other here, but you my brother, you know, we don't kill each other and stuff of free. You be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever. But that's different from going to a big gym and like, and actually being worried, like I'm not worried. You know, if we fight, we fight, but like some of these guys you're going there and fighting your life, they stack a fight every day on the week and that shit is gonna fucking like, or mentally, but that is gonna beat you down every day going, like, oh my God, I'm fighting for my life here. Oh my God, like, bro, I feel, I feel fighter, like everybody can come in a liar and whatever.

1:00:59But bro, in the fight, I'm nervous as hell. In the back, bro, with the Justin fight, this last one, I was telling people, I was like, what the fuck, am I doing here? Why am I fighting Justin? What the hell are you doing, Max? You know, like, like, bro, I'm not even lying. I'm in the back. I'm in the back thing and like, fucking shit. Like, what are we doing? You told me this is the last time. What the hell? He's like, now you're in UFC 300, you be a fucking a million people going to buy this paper view. What the hell are you doing? And then, as soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes, you know, then it's like, it's cold time.

1:01:30It's like, nah, Max, you can't be freaking working. McDonald's making it as much money. Let's go get this paper, you know what I mean? That's it, you got to own McDonald's if you're making this much money, but you don't own shit. So let's go get it. But you can own multiple McDonald's with the next one. Yeah. That's the plan. That's it. That was it, you know, so you got to switch, flip the switch and then, I know a lot of my coaches, they didn't know my workout song was funny because they was like, is he gonna do it? Cause they was waiting for me to walk out to Israel's song, right? Come on, people on this.

1:01:57Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna do it? And then we walked out to Hawaiian, Hawaiian Superman, Maui Hawaiian Superman, so I loved it. But I think it was perfect. They made the, you was out there in the crowd. I don't know if you could see it. Oh yeah, on your screen, they made it look like the ocean, bro. They made, they made me look like it was the ocean. And the way we had to turn in our song so early, bro. So like usually I can turn in my song like the week of the fight or the week before the fight, walk out song, but how you hit us up like eight, six weeks out is like, hey, we need you guys walk out song now cause we're trying to do something.

1:02:26And then that was what they did. The lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it, they made it go to the song. Like they made mine and looked like the ocean so it was like wavy, but then Justin was sick cause like every time the beat hit, the lights on the stuff went up and like whatever. I was like, whoa, that's cool, sir. What was Justin's walk out song? I, I forget, but it was a really good song, bro. I was, I like it. It was a really good song. And it's some banger walk out song, man, but Poleton. When that motherfucker walks out, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I didn't hear it, it was crazy.

1:02:57He's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out cause he stands there. He walks out like this. Yeah. I know he stands there. I never get a song. I'm the blowback ghost. Ah! He throws a couple of punches. Yeah, like, he just went to bro. So you know what is funny? You know, I don't know if you ever watched that kid of like he mimics like he mimics fights or fighters. Yeah, that kid. So he was at the press conference, bro. And the whole fucking press conference, I've seen him and he's trying to one two three. One two three, bro. The whole time he got busted from a from a security guard to sit down.

1:03:27But the whole time that I watched him, he was throwing it. I was like, well, I got it. That kid is crazy. Have you said mighty mouths to everybody? No, no, no. Mighty mouths, there's a video of mighty mouths with his face. Yeah, I called him on. I said, why didn't you make mine? He's like, oh, bro, I got you. I got you next one. Yeah, he could do everybody. Yeah, yeah, he was good. But he mimics everyone's style. He does kebibi. He does Connor. He does, you know, so who do he does everybody? Right. He's a beast, bro. Mighty mouths is the goat. He's a man. When I say the best martial artist I've ever seen in terms of like the expression of martial arts, he's my favorite.

1:04:01He keeps the bro. If you don't have him, if you don't have him on top of your, your MMA rush, Mount War, whatever, yeah, Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Yeah, I think of my son when I said Rush, Mount Rushmore. But if you don't have him on it, you're just a hater. Yeah, you have to be a hater. Yeah, everybody, everybody keep talking about like even that like everybody keep talking about like, oh, he's only 125. No, no, no, no, no, no. Got to walk out. Okay, would it?

1:04:29See, see, it blinks. I don't know his name. What is that? I had this thing going too. Oh, so here's my show the Mighty Mouths one because that was, that's incredible. So here's Mighty Mouths pretending to be so hudo. Strickland. So they switch, they switch about Strickland. Oh, it looks exactly like him. It's crazy.

1:04:57It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The greater that it's good. Oh, my God, it's amazing.

1:05:05Mighty Mouths. He does add us on you too. Oh, look at this. Wow. You hear Yuri Prohaskas talking about going down to 85? Is he? Yeah, he apparently didn't cut any weight for that fight. Yeah, yeah, me name is Manage Reddit by the same guy and that's why I heard too. He's a wild boy. Bro, did you not see that he was outside of you? See 200? Yeah, four o 'clock in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I started to see an on team mobile. Yeah. And the fans looking scared it's held.

1:05:36That's real. That's real. He's so cool, bro. He's so, bro, did you not see? He just freaking wanted, you know, he's the other one that wanted to do under bonus, right? And then his first post, I'm back home. I'm in my hut. How are we doing, guys? Like a live, bro. He actually lives in that hut in the forest. Does he really? Yeah, bro, he works out punching trees, dudes out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit. The guy, the guy is unreal, bro. The guy is unreal, bro. Animal. He's in there because rockets was putting it on him, man. And he was just melting rockets. But, they, they some big dudes are like, oh, oh, fight week.

1:06:10When I, when I went to the PI rocket was me, rocket and heal. And these, bro, these guys, big guys, but I'm like, holy shit, you guys some big, you guys, I'm big dudes. Yeah, they're huge. And you're here, 185 would be terrifying. He's got such a crazy style, man. I mean, there's no one that fights like that guy. Like if you saw his silhouette, you would be able to tell instantly, that's prohoscow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he does have hands down, chin forward, you know, the fucking crazy hair. Yeah, he's not a right bun. Bro, he's, he, he just a sat, bro, that samurai spirit, bro, it's, it's not a facade.

1:06:47No, he really thinks so. They got a lot of guys. Yeah, no, he's like, and he's a real bro. He's a really nice guy. Like, you ever talk to him? Yeah, I've talked to him. Bro, he's so nice. He's very nice. He's very quiet. Like he's, his tone is very, yeah, I'm good, better. Yeah. Like, like, bro, he's almost like, he's like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you. Hit man, you know, he's like, I need hit man. Okay, but yeah, exactly, exactly. So that fight was a wild fight too. Like there's so many fights that got lost. The fight, your fight, especially that knockout was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round.

1:07:23Like I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I almost hurt him. Yeah, I almost hurt him. Yeah, almost hurt him, but you know, you heard him. Even even even even when I call my dad, you know, and you're going to love this one. But then I went like this and then when I was when I was flirting him, everything, and every run, every time I heard him, I'd come in, I'll do a little bit. And if he didn't put him down or hurt him more, I just backed off because everybody's like, why is he not attacking? Why is he not attacking? I'm like, brother, every time I heard him, he had the craziest look in his eyes, brother.

1:07:55And one time he said, let's get it on. So I was okay, you know, I was like, no, I'm okay, but I'm here. I'm going to keep picking you, you know, but he did. He did. Well, Joe says he did have the craziest look in his eyes, brother. It was crazy. Like, I heard him. I was like, why are you even standing, bro? You know, like, and then I just think, yeah, you're right. You're Justin Gitchie. Yeah. You're a freaking highlight, you know, so. Well, he said the wildest shit before the fight is, and I don't make plans after my fights, because I'm playing on the ground. Being here. Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, what the fuck?

1:08:24Is this guy human? Yeah, I mean, how the hell did he get led into Wakanda? It's not a very Wakanda mindset, you know?

1:08:34Oh, there's one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about. And it's the Pejada Jamal Hill Knockout. And it is, it's an interesting thing that was brought up. And I didn't think anything of it at the time. And then I watched it again. I was like, hmm, there's kind of a point there. And the point is Jamal accidentally hits him low. He like kicks him in the hip and herb deen comes in to stop it. And then Pejada does the super gangster thing. But in the meantime, Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick. He gives him a thumbs up like he cool and then Pejada does it and then Pejada advances.

1:09:16And then herb is to the left. So it's like he can't even move too much to the left. And all of a sudden he's on him and he hits him with that left. And I think Jamal saying, I would have never let him that close to me. If it wasn't for that nut shot. And I didn't know exactly what was going on. So herb had stopped it. Herb is out of his field of vision. Herb is over here. So when herb's doing this, I don't know what he said. So let's just see if we can watch it. Because he's still, I think so. I know what you're saying. Because even there, he stands there and kind of half touch gloves with him.

1:09:50And Alex is like, you didn't touch gloves to step in, and then Alex chose the left foot. Alex steps on his foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the old boxing shirt. The old boxing shirt. I love boxing. So he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell. His left hook is a crazy weapon. That's a good man. That's a good thing to even look hard. It's crazy. Tell me not. It just looks like, and then when did you not see the jolt that it sent down his body? Yeah, it's just like you see his eyes roll out. He almost did a, was he the one that knocked out the Johnny Walker? Yeah, yeah, he almost did the Johnny Walker like his body like kind of extended.

1:10:27That was kind of crazy. Crazy. And is a glancing blow. Glancing brother. And it was like, it was even a hook was like an uppercut hook. Yeah, like a shovel hook. Yeah, like a Mexican hook. The way he lands it man, he's like, you don't give a shit bro. The fight that he got before he fought in the UFC. Did you ever see that one? No. Is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time. He hits a dude with a high kick. The guy blocks it. He steps. The guy steps. Wack. He just cleanly, you know, he's got that long frame. He's so long and there's all this torque and he just torques his whole body and whips across.

1:11:02It sounds like a like a baseball bat hit in a watermelon. Just walk and the dude just drops face. How are people just have that kind of power? Right? His power is crazy. He punched that the machine. The machine I saw. One 91. How much does this mean back kick one? Did you you can't do it? I never came back. But with a roundhouse kick, I got to 152. That's crazy. But the difference between that and 190 with one punch. See how they are here. Here it is. Yeah. He clips. Now let's back it up again because let's make the argument. Let's see what happens. So go all the way to the nut shot. So here's the nut shot.

1:11:39So now I want you watch Jamal. Jamal stops. Watch his legs. Yeah. His lock legs lock up. He's relaxed. He gives a thumbs up. We cool. We cool. And he touches her. So now they're back at it. Yeah. Look at his dance. He's ready. Yeah. Paheda. Paheda has never relaxed. So there's time has gone on where this is a little where we're doing it in slow motion. Let's do it in real speed. So here we see this. So you know the fight had restarted. The fight had restarted. But would that have with that position have taken place if it wasn't for Jamal relaxing? Yeah. You giving him the thumbs up. So you know like not his fight.

1:12:21So my fight the number one thing when I was going with Justin was just beyond all the time. Like just like in max. Like I was just in the back. I'm just mentally physically. You need to be here every fucking second. Every millisecond brother. Because you're crazy. Because you won once one millisecond off lights can turn off max. You need to be on. So that was the main thing that I was saying myself the whole fight. You know like with that like if I was in a situation I don't know what the I would of fucking I would have told her being the motherfucker are we going like I would have been like come on.

1:12:52Like I would have been ready. You know like it's protecting yourself at all times. You know. There is a weird millisecond where no one knows what's going on. Yeah. And when Paheda is still moving forward. But Paheda is in looking Paheda. He's that millisecond. He's still like he's going to born area. So watch it again. Watch it again. So the low kick and then as Jamal stop it go all the way from the beginning watch this. So when Jamal lands the kick he touches them and then he makes look at this distance each closest. Yeah. Look close. Right there right there. Yeah. Look close the distance. But back it up again.

1:13:26So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially then he throws the kick now watch this. They pause Jamal thumbs up. But Paheda is close the gap. Right there. Yeah. Look close. He's close the gap a lot more than he Jamal probably would have let him. Now it's a mistake by Jamal protect yourself at all times. But also it does seem like there's a moment of confusion. There is. There is. Because he does close that distance. He does. He does. A significantly so a double step. Watch. From here to there. He hops and down. Yeah. Look great that hop hop. Yeah. And that's when you're in the dangerous zone.

1:13:59Yeah. That's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Lagan's highway to the dangerous zone. And so once he does that that little hop in he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap. That's the way the left focus is so clean bro. Look at this. So he doesn't stop when her stops him. He closes when he puts her to a he closes. Because of this is a then to a little time. Yeah. Yeah. Or doing that. Watch it. Watch it. Watch it. Yeah. So it touches it. He hops close the distance while Jamal's legs are straight. Yeah. So Jamal gives him the thumbs up and perheda had a double hop in that time. Yeah. And Jamal didn't know.

1:14:38Yeah. This is a real moment. Now I'm not making any excuses for Jamal. And Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody. And after the Paul Craig fight he's like I fucked up. He got me. This is it. But he's got a point here. It's not a perfect point because they had engaged again. I know. I know. I know what you mean. I hate I had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. But then again like you know playing devil advocate. You know nothing my love for Jamal but fuck bro. You just you need to be locked in there. You need to be locked in there. You need to be locked in there.

1:15:12You're fighting another dangerous man. A man across you that you know you each other. You guys land one good shot. You guys both can put each other away. It's like I don't know bro. Because at the end of the day it's a mistake on his part. Yeah. But it would hurt like it sucks you know like how much times do we hear. A freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight you know I mean so it's like you need to like anybody fighters amateur level pro level the best fighters in the world whatever it is don't don't put in these guys hands man. I mean it's easier said than done but don't leave it you know like it's just tough yeah just be aware you know like you do have a third man in there they are supposed to be looking out for you but how much time do we see what sometimes it's that's just not the case or it's just too early you know also I then a day fuck it sucks but what are you going to do there you know I mean like all we're going to do is we're going to have this kind of talks and arguments and he's going to have arguments and stuff and nothing's going to get changed.

1:16:15But here's the question like what is the protocol when a referee steps in and says stop because there's a lot even with him time stop the protocol should have been like okay separate okay whatever go back to the middle like you push them against the cage whatever we saw you hop okay you want me to stuff back up a little bit less let me go he needs to go in the middle of them and be like okay fight right you can't be like get stopped and then you move to the side okay fight fight to here because if if if what's his name Jamal couldn't see him I can understand like in his peripherals like he's his focus you know and then and then maybe stuff stays fight and I'm just focused on you like okay what's going on you know right there's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that and you're going to stop fight momentarily even if you're going to restart you have to understand that the momentum is stopped things have changed and if one guy does this and hops in during that time you kind of have to step and separate them and then in gate so he does the engage he goes off to the side but now they are coming against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says hold on the fighters as I'm fine and then they let him keep going so maybe that's a good argument too that Jamal should have been more prepared but it seems like he'd actually told them to stop and that's when Jamal did this so it's like or excuse me Alex do this so is that up to the fighter what are the rules yeah what are the rules like when the referee says stop are the fighters allowed to say no I'm fine or are they supposed to address the referee and say on fine he said time he says time and he puts his hand up and now where's her her her team moves away Jamal does not have eyes on him yeah he look at it because he's not trying to get correct Jamal does it but Alex is much closer to them to him yeah he's much closer than nobody but look at the angle that he takes to like Alex is Alex is big he's cutting off the cage there yeah he's cutting up the cage you push him to his right to cut off the cage and herb is right to Jamal's look yeah look at that that was beautiful beautiful he's a monster yeah that guy's a monster I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory I remember when they were saying he was coming over to UFC I was like I told DC I go dude get ready for this motherfucker because this motherfucker puts people into orbit right there he's got crazy power right there the wormholes bro universe and different universes you wake up on the other side of the house you might have actually you know so we're talking about Konda he might be like a boxer strange guy he might have the ring line brother look underneath his glove or something that's what's happening bro well what he is is a real Amazon warrior like that's his gene yeah you see him bro you seem go back to his village yeah we're all painted up and stuff like like a leopard yeah bro guys is G bro he's a real deal he's a real deal he's a man how the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question and how much do you think that compromise his chin when he went to a lot bro so team you know you know what is crazy you know here's the walk look at his foot bro that's just terrifying look at his eyes man and everybody just love and he told Jamal when I make my walk in then you'll think about all these things you said yeah he did hi and the whole audience yells out hall with them look at Jamal though he caught the did you see in the angle he caught the arrow he broke it yeah yeah Jamal was telling me when I talked to him about he said he feels like he was winning that fight he said he was implementing his strategy he was he landed that one good right hook in the first round and he felt like he was on his way he felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do not let that dude get close but that thing fucked him up I mean that that is a real there's a real sport that's a sport right that's a sport right like you know this funny brother you know like you know nothing to Jamal whatever but what is crazy is that when I read when I read I see comments I see people talking about our fight and like guys like bringing up like oh yeah just imagine imagine if Justin didn't break his nose they would have been a whole different fight I'm like well thank the Lord I lined my screen back here because his nose broken yeah imagine if you didn't knock it yeah yeah or just imagine if I broke my angle walking into the freaking awkward I'm not there too much stuff I'm like what are like people are so crazy I'm like my god like this enjoy it why can't you guys enjoy it why can you guys let have other people have stuff you know like why can't we have nice stuff this is why we can't have good things again it's just losers you know you think Michael Jordan's leaving YouTube comments no oh brother no it's winners don't have time for that shit but that's also part of the game yeah you have to deal with those people but that anybody can say imagine if you didn't land something that you landed that you planned for that you executed that's very hard to pull off yeah yeah yeah spinning back kick where you literally right in front of each other like that and you landed to his face yeah bro we knew we knew he was on duck it was the perfect time you know yeah it was perfect it was perfect and it was such a a great moment on that night night because that night was magic bro three do your bro you have see three I can't I can my head is stood not wrapped around it you know like how you said how do I feel I don't know how I feel yet because it's sitting on right like right to have that to to to to to uh to be one of the guys to it started from all the outside of fate brother somebody asked me to get the the boat wrapped around uh uh uh Mark Coleman like when they asked me who I think and I said Mark Coleman you know I'm like like bro he's the guy he that his fight his house with his fires and stuff just happened so I was like he's the man and then to it being usc 300 to to uh us getting asked oh what about the how much should the freaking bonuses be and I'm freaking screaming change the cake change the cake change the cake and that's the uh and Dustin and freaking Dana to be like 300 K I'm like holy shit and to win both the bonuses this bro it's it was this crazy and then tap the like you said bro that's a movie finished bro to the to hit him with a over to hit the it was like a David versus Goliath kind of kind of story going against him you know and then to hit him with that overhand is like me hitting hitting him with a sling shot you know also and the rock at the perfect place perfect time the perfect bro this is usc 300 nobody's an event getting put together this is not gonna top nothing to 400 and we don't even know if 400 is gonna top it you know I mean like right we don't know we don't know it's gonna be almost impossible to top that like every card after that you look at the card like yeah it's okay yeah yeah he brought I know it's crazy it's crazy and then a lot of people and then brought Dana it is the he's the ultimate trove I love I love Dana white them when they throw people when they you saw the video yeah brother when he said the video is calling out because you know how much people on top of that video too I also did videos of of me talking about how I was like undergun and pillow him pillow all the way pillow hands all the way is gonna get killed and I am gonna be the first Tony two point or whatever I was like brother you guys just watch I that other tones change and now they're making money off of me I should will write them all money and be like every brother you'll be 10 % of youtube freaking there's all these people that have these takes where they know what's gonna happen it's such a stupid thing to do you don't know what's gonna happen you can talk about someone's dreams yeah you can talk about you can have an opinion but when people say stuff like well that's crazy it's just dumb it's just dumb you know you you should talk about someone's skills and what they can do and this could be a factor and that could be a factor but to say this is going to happen that is folly that's a stupid way to look at things there's not a chance in hell that you know one two world class martial arts yeah yeah there's no chance yeah there's no chance you know I saw a lot of people doing that with the the the fight this past weekend with with Devon Haney everybody was counting out Ryan Garcia so many people did you see how much he bettered himself two million bucks how can we do that on ourselves what did he win how much did he win 12 million it's a bet two million to win 12 million and he paid one and he paid two point one million dollars in in fees so you want 10 million so you pay one point five in fees I think so he he paid 1 .5 to to to to David to Haney because he said 500 every week right every part and then he had to pay on and and the extra 600 or 500 to the commission wow so so that's what so it's like 2 .1 million dollars he had big bro and he's like and he bet him so he's like bro I don't give a shit that's a wild boy yeah good boy dude that left hook he has a thing it's fast bro it's so fast so fast it's so fast bro and it and it's so fast and it hits so hard because even did you see the way Haney like or not even not only Haney but every time he lands it on anybody they're like yeah they're like they go well yeah they're getting like shocked it comes out you so much faster than other punches it reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime yeah like Roy Jones Jr.

1:25:34is prime barely through jabs which is so crazy that a guy will be so fast that he can hit you with a leaping left hook yeah because his jab was a leaping left hook so crazy you ever see this is biceps the difference yeah yeah this left biceps twice the size of his right bicep it's nuts he might have been he might have been an arm wrestler then Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time when he was in his prime that dude was untouchable on every fight was an execution bro crazy body head bangers though he was the he was so fast he was the only guy in compie box history that getting it didn't get a single punch land on him in a round for real yeah when you fought Vinnie Pazienza didn't get a single punch land on him and then he just put it on him and then he tried to stop the fight himself he looked at the referee he's like stop this fight and the referee's like keep fighting and he's like all right it goes like that he does like that he just tunes them up in chaos and a lot of these though a lot of these but at that left hook is a weapon if you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia like my god that things fast Ryan at freaking Herrera but what how's Javante for making him go to 135 and then making it give him a weight clause but you can't rehydrate more than 10 pounds who's behind him who's behind him the money money may with that guy smart man that guy is a businessman these guys are business man you know like it is a thing that that Floyd did the canelo yeah same exact thing and was more you know it's more funny canelo them canelo them uh played into his game and said no you know what we'll come down to this weight he didn't act he was saying he was gonna give them the extra five but then with a weight clause and he said oh you want you want to come here you can come here and a weight clause bro those guys he's bro he's a businessman bro and you got you got to respect it yes you have to and for Javante that was perfect because I would love to see Ryan Garcia the one that we saw fully hydrated against Devon Haney against Javante that's a problem he's gonna be a problem for everybody he's gonna be a problem speed is bananas yeah you're seeing the shadow box like throw over oh yeah oh yeah is this sped up oh yeah you're so fast yeah it's it's it's it's not fair he might have one of the fastest love hooks I've ever seen for sure I mean it's it's right up there with everybody that all the great left hookers of the paths and the crazy thing is like bro he don't even bring it out he just goes from right here right there whip like a whip I think it just kills guys yeah so much power from short short distance just nothing just turns it over how do you get hit you with multiple ones in a row pop up hey he just keeps throwing left hooks you don't even believe in jobs and the funny thing was the troll job like he was on bro when he he talked about I saw I just saw the interview at other night he did patchy bed David yeah when he when he did he's like yeah you know that one interview I was like doing all that stuff people don't know it's crazy I was like wow I was like well this guy's bro he should be an actor yeah he he really had a smart strategy act like he was crazy actually he was crazy come come in three pounds every and this bro he he's sold it all the way to yeah getting into that bro I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move for more towards Haney oh I'm sure like this guy's not training yeah he's not she didn't prepare he's crazy he's mentally unstable yeah yeah don't tell him you but he let he let straight to the back there was some bad refereeing in that fight too because there's two knockdowns two jobs and it was crazy to real bad real bad those were two legitimate knockdowns in a round we're here he knocked him down once so he knocked him down three times in that fight the wooden round wouldn't that been like a teaky already I don't know if they had a three knockdown rule it wasn't for the title right because Devon gets to keep the title so I think so it was yeah he kept it but even if he win I think so he stood yeah he would have had the I mean whatever yeah fuck the title that title like that's crazy keeping that title's crazy yeah after did you bro you know there's more crazy there's a post in him being like yeah I still got the title I'm like wow yeah it's kind of crazy the thing yeah I was just trying to come up with some sort I mean he got humiliated yeah it sucks but that did this fight they brought this fight game is wild it's a wild game it's the shit it's the most crazy game ever brother you be on top of the world one day yeah and we'll fight like that you're just no one even carried you know anymore yeah yeah it's crazy yeah you could be Ben Askron you know and boom one shot and then and then that's what everybody remembers amazing career dominates in Bellator dominated in one FC comes over to America beats Robbie Lawyer in a weird one remember that yeah he had him in a headlock oh yeah yeah he wasn't out yeah Robbie was defending and they they thought I don't know who made that call I forget who who's the referee but they thought he was out and he wasn't out yeah Robbie's like what the fuck I wasn't out and they called the fight and then he's a street Jesus it's him with some fucking nuclear lightning brother the sprint oh my god and it turned the angle like he cuts angles yeah so that Ben like his instincts kick in yeah the like shoot for the takedown runs right adam and it just goes right in and then he does the freaking three -pink top yeah he hits him in a couple of three piece when he's down and then slaps the the floor and lays next to it crazy wow that was one of the wildest knockouts too that's and that's another one that's another one but the consequences are different than yours yours is different and it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out did your corner know you were playing that out oh they know already I mean they they they know they they they you actually any of them and then you tell them like well do you guys think I never told them but they already know who I am as a fighter we've been I've been with these guys for like 15 16 years of my life like half of my life brother I've been with these guys wow actually I think 14 years I think it's 14 live it under half of my life with these guys so they know me you know like you can even do you have the corner to the corner like Rylann is like hiding because he know it's happening already you know and then my my my striking culture already knows that it's gonna go they know like I asked them after all they didn't interviews and interviews and they asked and did you know Max was gonna do that is like he did tell us but we had a feeling that if he went to last 10 seconds like look look look look look look look look look look look cry right's hiding he's hiding there's eyes look at your eyes yeah you know what it's funny that guy Michael is like 5 -3 so he's like holding himself up on that bro his legs is dangling and he's kicking in the air imagine that I wish they had a full screen he's on top then they go wow that was wild man.

1:32:13And then shout out to my best friend Bertie Bird Jordan read in the back since the news didn't catch that him they named every corner man except for him in the back. So here's a question. Jamal Hill loses that fight and now he's gonna fight Khalil round tree. Bro, that was a, don't you think, do you think this a faster round? I don't know. It's a very fast turn. It's only two months. Yeah. It's two months. And you find Khalil. He'll treat out. Round tree is a savage brother. Do you know? He fights you. You owe him money. Yeah, you owe him a lot of money. You do owe him a lot of money. That's how he fights you.

1:32:47Yeah. He fights you like you stole something from him. His contract is probably a show of wind. So you owe him windmine. That sidekick that he did to the knee. Oh, bro. That's the. He was jumping into that thing. As nasty. Horrible. Watch his knee bend backwards. Khalil. I remember when Khalil fought Eric Anders. He came back from Thailand. So he fights Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker catches him when an elbow in the clinch. And he's sides like I got to really learn multi -clinching elbows. He goes to Thailand. And then he fights Eric Anders. And he comes out looking like a tie fighter. Pa, a late kick.

1:33:24Yeah. What did he fight? I think I watched that fight. What fight? He could find Khalil round tree versus Eric. I think that was on the vote. I think I was in Vegas. I think I was on the vote. I believe it was in Vegas. Yeah. He does on the vote. Me and DC were like, what happened? Like he was always a very good fighter. He was always a very good standup fighter too. But like he went through this leap in this fight. See if you get like early in the fight. When the leg kicks were insane. And it's the way he's moving. He's moving like a tie. This whole thing was just a second round. Okay. He was moving like a tie like his front leg.

1:34:01He's like tapping with the front leg. Yeah. Yeah. And and just look his friendly going already. I mean, it was very like Thai style adapted to MMA. But we were just like, my God. Like he's looked so much better than we've seen him before. There was something about like he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches. And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO'd right. Just got KO'd just two months ago. So most people would say, hey, this is too soon. Yeah.

1:34:44A lot of people say this is too soon. But I get it. Jamal wants to get back in there. He feels like that was a fuck up and he wants to erase it. He says he's fine. But this is a is a fucking scary cat man. Yeah. But even with even with the Jamal hero incident, right? How much shots did he get to take on the ground? It took a few hard ones. Yeah. Hard to hard. It's a left hook that makes his eyes roll back. But Khalil's a monster. Oh, but he but imagine Hill, bro. Imagine if you're in your in this situation, right? You're in issues. Like I said, this guy's got knocked out, bro. You call it there.

1:35:19You knocked this guy out. Guess what guess what guess what you're doing next fight? You fight for a title. You're fighting for a title, brother. Yeah. You are fighting Alex Perra for a title. I didn't have it. I didn't have it. Khalil and Alex. But he had a whole shit. It just be violence, bro. Oh, crazy violence. And you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was like not totally focused. And then he's had moments where he's really focused. And you see it like in his endurance and the fight like this fights that he's lost where just like he wasn't really there. But then you see him when he's really focused.

1:35:48Like it's like you got to pay attention to what he's capable of. Like you could look at a fight or sometimes and you could look at bad fight like some like a good examples Charles Oliver. If you go and watch Charles Oliver as some of his earlier fights, he looks like he kind of like folded. Yeah, for sure. And then something happened after the birth of his daughter where Charles Oliver becomes this fucking assassin. Yeah. He's just in his and he just has no quit in him. He's just an animal. And it's just like everybody just forgot about that old shit and like, no, he's the fucking man. Yeah. And they forgot about the cup swanson fight.

1:36:19They forgot about all these other fights. They forgot about the Paul Felder fight. They forgot about those fights. Like fuck all that fight. What is he capable of? Oh, not on. And that's I think what you got to do with Khalil. That's why this is a dangerous fight because Jamal's a bad man and he's a dangerous dude and he can knock on anybody for sure. But so it's Khalil. It's going to be violent, bro. I Jamal going to have to watch his kneecaps. She's going to have to watch his legs, everything. And Khalil is also a south paw. So Jamal standing south paw, you know, he likes to look at that. Bro, that was horrific.

1:36:49That was horrific. I mean, he's just sidekick this shit out of his knee. Just blew it apart, man. And that's real controversial because a lot of people like man, that ends your career. But he's back. He's a fucking animal man. I mean, he's so skillful and so intelligent in his standup. And it's just like it's super, super high level man. Oh, look, you tried to trust kick the guy. His body was. Yeah, he's done that before his body kick, guys. Oh, yeah. I got body kick. He stands up and body kicks him in who I, bro, I got into a, I got to argument with a ref because one of our fighters is like body kicked.

1:37:27Someone was down and he stopped the like they stopped the fight to give the kid a time. And they was like, I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, you can't body kick on the ground. I was like, you cannot body kick. I don't want to point it to the head. You can body kick. You can kick him to the body. You just can't kick him to the head. Yeah, you can't do that. I was like, what are you watching? I was saying, you know the rules and as they modified the rules, no, bro, the rules as a modified bro, I was just bad. Yeah, I almost got a fucking point deducted from my, from my, from my one of my boys.

1:37:56I was like, bro, I'm so sorry, bro, but like that that was supposed to be a TKO. Yeah, you, you, you TKO this kid, bro. That's ridiculous. That's just bad referee. I, I really think that the problem, the only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is the cage. If there was no cage, no place where you couldn't move and someone could stomp you, all that shit should be on the table because it, it's, these are valet techniques. If you can knee someone to the head in the clinch, if you could scissor knee someone like, but hey, I did with Michael Liders, if you could do that kind of shit, like, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground?

1:38:29And you know what it is, bro? And, and if you, and if you do do that, you know how much more of this like this safe area of people's playing with their hand on the ground, hand up. You know how much more it, people want to do that. They're going to go all the way to the ground or they're going to like fight you telling you to, and telling you, yeah, and then they're going to go, instead of going down and playing that that game, bro. Like the, the, having a moment where you're safer because of a rule is never a good thing. No, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it changes the whole way you've compete.

1:38:59Yeah, you, you'll do that. You'll let a guy have your back and put your hand on the ground because you know his knees right there. Yeah. And when, in reality, you got to get out of that spot. Yeah, you can't, you can't be there. You're dead. Same thing with being in a turtle. Yeah. If you're in a turtle and a guy's like, like Mark Coleman and Pride can just drop those knees on your head. Remember they let him do that. Yeah. Yeah. So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a perfect time to knee them in the head. But then even that, because then when they do turtle, right?

1:39:25So say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle. It's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like, shit, now I got to be smart of where I'm picking this and what I'm doing. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. The back of the head rule 100%. You know, but like if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that like that. It's so easy to like, boom, we'll see down there. I kick you right in your head. Yeah. Yeah. Like, but I don't know, bro. I think if you know that that's one of the options you won't stay in that position. Yeah. Yeah. The guy's not going to be turtle. Right. Even like guys are like taking knees, knees down and they're like this on their ground.

1:39:56I'm the ground already. They know what they're doing. Exactly. You know what you're doing. But that's only and then if I come in and do something wrong, you get to take down and you're on top now. Right. Like, come on. Well, that's what people are so mad at Aljemy when Aljemy won the title from pure to young. Peoda hits him in an illegal knee when he's down. But that lead that knee should be legal. Yeah. I think you should be able to be on your knees in a fight. Yeah. I think so. You're, are you able to move if they're not stopping the fight? That means you can move. Even with the, you, you, you pulling out the elbow, the 12 to 6.

1:40:30I'm like, brother, they, you, I didn't, I never know why they took it out, right? And then you, you said, I think someone, he entered his long time ago, you said they took it out because they saw a guy break ice with that doing that. Break breaks on the, he's 12 in the morning. Yeah. Guess what? That guy can break a brick with a head butt. That guy can break a brick with train elbow this way. That guy can break a train to elbow upwards. Yeah. And guess what? We could throw that thing. It's done. Why, why are you thinking that away from on the ground? Big John McCarthy told me that. It was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the, well, you know, big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA.

1:41:10And then you get more on like, what about this? I saw someone do that and break a break. You can't do that. Okay. No 12 to 6 elbows. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. It was a dumbass rule. And then the only loss on John Jones record is 12 to 6 elbow. And even that, like, even when I'm on my back, the 12 to 6 follow you, right? So I can't go like this, like, my back. And then, and then they're like, yeah, but you can't go like this. But if you go like this, I'm like, that's the same exact, this is the same exact thing. It's so stupid. At the end, I'm twisting it. You know, it's so stupid.

1:41:42Also, it's like, especially this elbow, I don't feel like this elbow is as hard as this. No way. This is not like, I can't even if I'm mounting you, right? Like how John Jones mounted right? Like, what you got to do? You got to like crunch your abs like to get all of here. This is like, I'm going to like more shoulder. My body's coming into this. There's so much more in that one. And you can't have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that. And then you can't throw that one technique. That's crazy. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. There's a bunch of dumb rules like that. But I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees.

1:42:22Yeah, because you're stuck. It's like a wall, right? Yeah. It's like a wall, right? And I understand that. But guess what? Don't go to the fucking cage, dog. You know the cage is there, brother? You know, I mean like, I I brought the cage in my buddy. Maybe they have a rule where they say like no knees or stomps when a fighter's touching the cage. Yeah. That'd be cool. Like it. But then you can start seeing guys from the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now. Right. Right. That's true. Well, people will always get a try. Yeah. As soon as you get a, yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule, people are going to game it all the time.

1:42:55And that's what it is. My thought they should have a basketball court. My thought just guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place. Just like, what they do for it. But just what they do for even for grappling matches. Yeah. But guys are going to fall over and then what's going to happen? Well, they don't don't have multiple matches going on like to do with with that. Don't have it on a platform. Just have it on the ground. Oh, yeah. Just have it on the ground. Like have guys. I mean, you know, while that would be where I'll sit in there in the arena and there's no cage and these dudes just walk out in the center of this big open mat.

1:43:27I mean, that'd be crazy. Yeah. Just have a warning. Because then I, I love the cage. I love no cage to that. I just love the cage for take down purposes. Right. When everybody somebody put me like go to the cage cage is your friend. I like guys don't like it because they think you're losing the fight. But like, it is what it is. But no cage. No cage would be smart though because what you said, I see what you're saying. But you would see more. So much guy, but so much guys is going to like get you to a point and they're going to shoot so like, you know, like the islums and the cabbibs. That kind of finds that they're going to shoot so low because you know, have a cage and it's going to keep driving you to forever land, you know, until you get hit and then you got to restart or whatever.

1:44:03Maybe, but it may might stop a lot of take downs because it's going to it's going to have a much more realistic scenario. Instead of being able to charge up to a guy against the cage, get your hands up against his butt, lift him and take him down where he can't, he can't go anywhere. It's back to get the cage. I mean, it can be took so many guys down up against the cage. So many guys do that. Yeah, a lot of guys off the cage. Yeah. And if you got a guy who like keep moving and push you away and keep moving and then circle out. Now you got to take him down again. It could change the whole dynamic of fighting.

1:44:33It could. I get it. It's going to be way harder. I can yeah, it's going to be way harder. I love the cage for getups. I have another thought about that. Yeah. I think if a guy takes you down to the end of the round, you start in that same position from round two. You think so? I'd be pretty gangster because guys wouldn't be able to, guys wouldn't care. You know, so guys just take it off like, I would be taking me now and I'm on a going to be stand up anyway. Well, you got to think it's a fight or or or like even your rule, like if you getting hold down from that last round, then you start from getting hold down, right?

1:45:00That's the same rule, right? That's what I think. If like, say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round, I feel like you start mounted in the second round. That's how it's crazy. Because it sounds like you should start a fighting. It is a fight, right? It's a fight. It's not five individual fights. Yeah. So if you have a five round fight and every fight starts standing up for a guy like Paheda, that's a massive advantage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But especially after imagine he got took it down and it just took his ass beaten for one round. You know, now imagine Paheda fights John Jones and they fight John Jones for the light heavyweight title at at, you know, five rounds.

1:45:37John takes Paheda down in the first round and at the end of the round, John's got him mounted and Paheda rides out the bell. Well, the round starts round two with John Jones mounting him because it's one fight. It's not five fights. So if you start a new fight, now you're starting standing up again, but you didn't, you're not standing up. Yeah. The fight is still going on. That's great. Put it back in the same spot. Then they don't have to change the whole judging to to the whole fight. Yeah. It should be. I feel like it should be that way. Yeah. Why are we fighting rounds? You know, I think pride had it right.

1:46:08Yeah. Pride had it right. They judge the fight as a whole and they judge the, the end of the fight is, it was more important. Yeah. Yeah. Who's winning it? Just like school yard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you are out boxing a guy and there's no teachers around. Yeah. And then, you know, all of a sudden, he takes you down and he starts beating your ass and punt and you can't get up. And then the ref or those teachers come and pull them off. Everybody's going to think that guy won the fight. Yeah. They're not going to say, yeah, but he's getting asked. We'll send up Tom controlled them on the feet for three minutes.

1:46:38He only took him down for 30 seconds. Nobody gives a shit about that. Yeah. They give a shit about like, who's winning at the end of the fight? Exactly. Right. That would be, I mean, it's kind of cheap, you know, it's favorite. It's a my ass that we stand on the feet every time. But that's pretty, that's pretty cool. Yeah. That would be pretty cool because now you would see guys, you would see guys fight much harder to get up now. Right. So like, if I'm on my ground, I'm on my back. Right. And the round, like, you see guys make all 30 seconds. Well, it's the best. You know what I mean? Like, I just standing up.

1:47:13We're going to, we're going to come up standing. But if, if you tell me 30 seconds and holy shit, no, Ronald, I'm going to start on my back. I need to get up. You know, I need to like create a scramble or something, you know. So it's not so indefinite that we start here. I think, I brought, I think it changes again. I think that's pretty cool. Maybe I like the idea and what, what I like the idea about it, because it's much more like a real fight. So this is supposed to be the, the sport of real fighting, right? That's really what it is. Like what works the best? That's what MMA is. And if you have limited techniques, like you can't use a needle down to opponent, you can't do this to a down opponent.

1:47:47No, that, that fucks things up. And then if you have the cage, where the guy can use the cage, that fucks things up because the guy can use the cage to take guys down, they could use the cages stand back up. So the cage comes a factor. And then you have the fact that every round starts standing up. So if you, you busted your ass to take this guy down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You took damage to get a hold of this guy. You took down the first round. You have 10 seconds to go in the first round. You mount him. You're on top of him. Horn blows. Fuck. Now you got to start standing down. I got to get down.

1:48:16Yeah. Imagine if, if, if, if chill against that Anderson fight, if he could have came back from the ground every time, right? Crazy. Change the, it changes. Everything changes. Everything. He could have got triangle sooner or, you know, I mean, or he could have finished the guy. You know, you don't know. You know, this is a bunch of what ifs, but it's a bunch of ways. You know, it's also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight. It's not supposed to be five fights. You know, and like to have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn't earn a get up.

1:48:48Yeah. Yeah. After getting it. I mean, we do it. They really kind of do that right? Like when you're against the cage or something or something happened and they break you, you put you right back into that situation. So why would I, fuck it. It's suck for strikers. You know, strikers worldwide. I'm sorry, but if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive, sign me up for it, brother, because I'm here for it. If you take my ass down and, and, and, and I use a, I use a bell to get a spack to stand up. That's kind of lame, bro. Like you need to get your eyes up. You know, you're not, you're not considered a bad man.

1:49:21You might have to get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost under the current rules. Because you might start standing up in the second round. And this dude says, all right, fuck this guy. I'm not going to clinch with him now. I'm going to kick his calves. I'm going to move around. You need to talk to somebody, brother. That'd be pretty cool. Nobody listens to me. Maybe, maybe you see 400. They do something. Bro, I had all sorts of plans. They, they don't listen to me. And I wouldn't listen to me either. They're, they've got a great business. It's real successful. You can't make all these changes.

1:49:48That's ridiculous. My other thing that I would say is you got to get rid of weight cutting and you can do it. It can be done with hydration tests and you got to give people more options for weight classes. They should have an option every 10 pounds minimum. Every 10 pounds would be cool. I think every with the weight cutting would be, would be fun without no weight cutting. But then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration tests anyway. So like people are still trying to do, they're just, they're going to get whatever you do. They're going to gain it because somebody always is going to look for the advantage, no matter what it is.

1:50:16But there's a way to do it where if you have a big organization like the UFC, look, think about what they do with drug fees, drug free sport now. Used to be you saw that they'll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test. Well, why can't they find you and put you on a fucking scale and hide and make get a hydration read on you and go and make sure you're 172 pounds. Like you're not 145 pounds max. You're 172 pounds lighter. So we're going to, you could probably healthy be healthy and fully hydrated 165. That's probably where you should fight. Unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight.

1:50:51Yeah, like I'll actually lose a lot of weight like go running every day. Donnie, donnie. It's funny because then a lot of people always ask me or even when I started dating my wife first, she's like, she went, she's like, oh, you're not heavy. Why do you fight at this? I'm like, I only do it because everybody else is doing this shit. You know, like if we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight a 170 or you know, like imagine my, my ass stepping in there fighting like a like a Jose, not a Jose, but like a George St. Pierre. Right. Yeah, I brought guys looking at you. He's big. But come on.

1:51:22Come on. Oh, you know, I mean, Leone is a big boy. Do it. Yeah. So it's like, it's like we everybody's doing it because everyone's doing it. Exactly. They have to do it because you, but all those guys are 200 pounds. All those 170s. 20 plus. Yeah. They're two and a half. Great sum of them. Yeah. Yeah. They're all those guys, like homes, I'd say gigantic homes, I'd say 117 anymore. No, like you know, how he made 170, you remember? Well, he's big. That's why I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card because the thing about New York is they're, they've done stuff like that before.

1:51:56They wouldn't let you cut the weight when you were supposed to be fighting. Kabeeb. Yeah. Yeah. Now I quench it. Take your place. Yeah. I tell you, but I know that was just, that was unreal. Unfortunate. But I got to say you could have made that weight though. I bet. Oh, 100%. Yeah. But the thing is it was just, it was just stupidity. You know, it was 10 days. I was with somebody doing my nutrition stuff at the end. He did a freaking interview. He said how much I was. I was super heavy and the freaking commission saw it and they fucking was on my ass. I was like, bro, if you didn't say shit, we would have been fine.

1:52:31You know, but then that's what happened. You open, people open your mouth. That's come. I love like a tight knit small, small team. You know, it's like nothing happened. Nothing gets out. Anything happens is like motherfucker. Yeah, you can't say that. You can't, especially New York. You could say it in Vegas. New York. Yeah, Vegas don't give a shit. And it was also in New York when they just started. They didn't like. They didn't. That's why I was saying, like when New York was sued against MMA, they stood against MMA, you know. And then that happened. And yeah, I remember, bro, fucking guy came in.

1:53:04I looked, I looked sucked out of my life and they was like, yeah, you're not fine. I'm like, how heavy were you? How much was I was like three pounds off, bro? That's it. Yeah. And we had like a bunch like we had like I still I still think we had like three hours left. Oh, you could have made it. Yeah, it was fine. You know, I think Homs out they pulled him. I don't know what he was when they pulled them, then he started drinking water and then he waited 178, I believe. That's crazy. Yeah, he was way over. That's crazy. But I wasn't excited about that fight. Who is he fighting? Oh, Nate? Yeah, I was like, that is a thing.

1:53:43Then what happened? Who did he fight? He fought somebody else, right? Nate fought Tony Ferguson. Yeah. And he fought Kevin Holland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is also Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else. Yeah, yeah, he's preparing for Daniel Rodriguez, who's a striker. And then also he's fighting this insane wrestler. Yeah. And then that's what happened with with the club touch and he took him down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Homsat is who's he fighting next? Reddiker. Robert, that's right. Robert, I'm looking forward to knowing. If there is someone who can who can kind of neglect the wrestling, I think it's Wittaker.

1:54:18Yeah. I think it's Wittaker, bro. And then Homsat is strong. But oh, that that that burns fight like show the lot. Like it showed a lot. Like if you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's going to be a fun fight. And Kamara Usman fight because Kamara was winning the third round. Bro, so and he had 10 days. Yeah. And what and what I tell everybody like against a Cosmot, you know, like what a Cosmot with the wrestling, it's like, if you go if you go pull up, if you pull up his fight brother, if you go watch the Cosmot fight, it's Usman. The only time he he takes on Usman is when Usman wrestles on back.

1:54:55When Usman is like anti -wrestling, fighting his wrist, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns. But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I'm just going to wrestle back and like he starts to like grab the stomach and stuff. You get taken down and you pick down like brother like, you should just anti -wrestling this guy, he was beating him in the striking too. But I think it was also Kamara did know what his cardio was like. Like yeah, so he had to get trust condition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just wasn't prepared to go full out and Homsat knew that. So Homsat put that grappling pressure on him immediately to try to wear him out.

1:55:23Yeah. Crazy. I don't like those 10 day fights man. It's kind it's shitty because no one's going to talk about the 10 days. You know what I mean? Like like it's like a time aspirinal. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So Tom aspirinal takes it on like 11 days and he knocks out Pavavitch and he becomes the interim title. Exactly. But then like even even with that, like this consider intro, you know, he's like he want an intro. They're not even talking about the day. Everybody would bring up the 10s, you know, like even with like the Vogue fight. You're like, oh yeah, Vogue is this the Vogue is that. But then oh, he got knocked off on this guy and then he got knocked out again.

1:55:54I'm like, yeah, but he got knocked on 10 days about there. It's crazy. You know, it's like people keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit. Well, they forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam, Vogue is considered to be the number one pound for pound guy in the world. Yeah. And many believe that they thought he won the fight. Yeah. I mean, in the first fight. I thought it was real close, but I watched it like three or four times. I'm like, I think there was like one round where you, you, I think it's a second round where it's up in the air.

1:56:21You're like, oh, I think. But again, at the end of the fight, he's on top of Islam and he's pounded on him, which was just nuts to see. Crazy, bro. He's just to think of 45 who is going to come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his way class. Yeah. I was in Saint -Bral. He's a legend, bro. He's a legend, brother. That's why it's like sucks to take a 10 day fight and then you get KO'd. One of the worst ways to get KO'd. And then and then, bro, I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I don't know if you guys saw this clip, but I'm in the back and and the USC's doing this promo thing, right?

1:56:53After the, I think so was, no, not afterwards before. I don't know. It's before one of the fights, but they're doing it promosly when I was warming up and I was watching the fights. They did this clip and they're showing like all the old clips. But I'm going to show a vogue walking out. Yeah. And then the next clip was signed by Saint -Bral. He ain't getting knocked out by two guys. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, damn, this game sucks. What a shitty turn of events. I was like, hold on, look, vogue. And then the fucking next two clips, side by side of him, his only two is two knockout losses.

1:57:23And I'm like, wow, this shit is hard. That's brother's gaming for the week. No, it's hard. It's not for the week. It's hard. Let's how quickly your life can turn around if you're a guy like vogue. You go from being the man to being dismissed. Uh huh. You know, to being like, oh, yeah, we don't want to fight, bro. Like because like, Delia didn't want to grant them a renage. Delia didn't want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15, brother. Well, who does he want to fight? Brother himself. I don't know. But the fuck want to fight himself, bro. What the hell is going on, bro? This guy, this guy, brother.

1:57:52This is the man, bro. This is the guy we dealing with, bro. This is the guy we dealing with. So we had a we had a Bible verse off on Twitter. Everybody's like saying freaking 10, 8, all the way because the verse I used against them. And then, um, and then he writes and, and I don't say nothing. That's all I say. And then he writes like, oh, freaking paragraph, bro, to me, like, I didn't even read it. That's how long it was. He writes a paragraph to me, brother. I didn't read it. And I was just tripping out. I was like, it was like an angry girlfriend text, you know, like my wife don't even text me like that.

1:58:25So I was like, I read the first to say, I think I'm not reading this, but what the hell is going on with you? You know, but I don't know what's going on. I love that you didn't read it. I don't know what's going on, bro. I was like, I read the first thing and then I saw you had to scroll. I was like, what the fuck? Did I make my wife mad? I had to make sure that wasn't her. You know, I mean, what the hell? That's hilarious. That's funny. Yeah, I don't know who he wants to fight next, but I mean, I guess he feels like he's the champion called the shots, but I know that he turned down the Perth one, the 305, the Volkanovsky rematch.

1:58:55Oh, yeah. Yeah. The thing, the question is like, if you're in Volkanovsky's corner, let's say this now because we can say it now, right? Because we couldn't say it after the first Islam fight, but you take a fight like the Islam fight, you get K out bad head kick. You chill, bro. And yeah, you chill for how long? At least six months with no stuff. And I'm like, maybe you could have sparring. Yeah, yeah. And then he could have came back on 300. Yeah. He could have headlined 300, bro. You know, I mean, like you could have been, I would have told you to say like, hey, look, bro, I did you guys a solid?

1:59:26You didn't me solid? It's very much. Let me rest my head. Let's say this is a tour, but maybe I we've gone 300. I feel like the UFC are telling that too. Yeah, you know, I think you see, I think there was, I think there was, you know, like, because then, because then I was like telling 10 damn, like, brother, like, if Eilin needs somebody, let me know. Like, like, like, like, tell you see that? No. And you see, came back and said, like, this crazy mother ever wants to fight. You know what I mean? So I think so, I think it's him and his team and even with his team, like, even with, um, but he's such a property.

1:59:58Yeah. He's so important to risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Monticev. Yeah. And then, and then, like, you can mentally or physically say, you're ready, right? But then something wasn't right. You know, like, watch, like, you know, this guy's a rugby pair, you know, I played him three times. And this guy's head is always headfirst. Like, he's always like, I fought him three times, brother. And like, he, like, it's accidental. It's not hard, but he's like, he's like a rugby guy. So his head is always coming in, you know, like, like, we always mean him like headbutt a couple times.

2:00:30It is like, I'm not big one. Not like career -chainy ones, but it's his head is forward. He's a rugby guy. He's in that huddle shit, right? Tell me why when he fights this fight, he's like being uncharacteristic and like, kind of throwing and then going back. You know, so it's like, it was just a different, you know, I don't want to, I don't think it's not taking nothing away from me, like, it is what it is. He fought, he fought both at a perfect time. But like, if you can, like, if somebody can look me in the eyes, then eyes and be like, bro, that was the same vogue that that's been, you know, doing this thing at 45.

2:01:01Right. I will call you dead ass liar brother. I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath. If you think that's the same man, you, you, you get compromised by knockouts. There's no ifans were bucks about it. The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover and can you get back to 100 % I don't think you can get back to 100 % from a head kick knockout in a few months. No, bro. And you have to do some sparring to get ready for it. And that can't make you. And that's the thing. And yeah, and say kickboxing is great. You know, I mean Eugene is is a great coach. Eugene's a genius.

2:01:30And I'm sure Eugene was probably in his year, you know, I mean, telling him, but then again, it's just he's a dominator. He knows how to win. And you know, but you can't run a race with a bad suspension. Yeah. You know, you know, let that thing heal up. And, and, but then sometimes you just, you're your own enemy. You know, I mean, like he probably wanted that he raced in his mind, thinking that like this, no, I'm going to come back here. I'm going to do this. And this is just going to be forgotten. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just mind everybody, you know, and, but it just happens because then what if he goes out there and he did get it done, you know, I mean, that that that would have been amazing, right?

2:02:09And we all would have been wrong. But then for head injury rise, like I could say earlier in our conversation with Justin, like Justin's taking six months off of off of that, you know, I mean, like, bro, like six months at least no contact. This chill, but like this guy, like you, you probably got a good freaking nice payday for that second Islam fight, even the first Islam fight, you know, so you, you know, you do, you do, you do favorites for you to see it. They, they, they carry you, you know, at the end of the day, I've been with this coming, uh, coming for a real long time. So I know this stuff.

2:02:38So it's like, he should, I, I feel like, obviously he should have just raced it. I feel like you have to protect, you have to protect the champion, not even, not even as a fighter, bro, like as a person, like, you know, I shared Dr. Gondis guy, I'd like to call him, my freaking Narch Nemesis, people like to make things, but I like him as a person, but he's a father to beautiful daughters. And I mean, he got a family. So like, bro, just take your time off, you know, enjoy, go, go, go with them. Do that, you know, and it, it happens though. Sometimes, sometimes, uh, we are our own worst enemies.

2:03:10You know, I mean, like, and being in his shoes, I couldn't say because if that happened to me, I would want to be like that, like, oh, fuck this. I want to kill this kid. Let me go kid is getting remind people and then, that's how people close to you that can stop time. That, that, that, that, that, that, that's good. Any, any does, bro, but like at the end of the day, he's just, maybe he just trumped him. He was like, maybe, maybe he had a trump card and he was like, look, I listened to you guys before, but trust me, I got this. And like, how do you not believe a guy in like, like, him, you know, he had an iron chin before that.

2:03:39Oh, yeah, iron chin brother. You see, his, his size is head brother. Yeah, he takes a shot. But the fact that to puria put him out with one shot. Part of me was like, damn, and absolutely, to puria is a knockout striker. He has beautiful boxing. Beautiful, beautiful, his technique is outstanding. His power is tremendous. No doubt about it. He could knock anybody out, but it's the way it happened and that, that the, the shying away that we were talking about earlier was perfect shot. Bro, he just hit him. Yeah, he put his head down. Yeah, he knew he said it was going to be there. Put his head down.

2:04:13Yeah, swings. And that's what the poor does, bro. He swings when he swings. He swings always my, and it's, and it's nice technique. It's not like wild swinging as my, he's swinging always my technique, technique wise, knowing that like analyzing like your head is probably going to be here. I'm just going to throw it. The gyherbert one was amazing. Yeah. That was, that was one after the head kick. He knocked him out in the second round to come back after he hit him. That's 155. Yeah. You know, he's a small one, 155. Yeah. That's not really the weight class form. Yeah, yeah. 45. He's perfect. But it's just, I mean, he could fight a 55 to make no mistake about it.

2:04:46Just like you did go up correctly. But gyherbert is a long tall tall dude. He's long tall dude. I feel like for a fighter like Alexander Volkanovsky, he's like a legacy fighter. He's a guy that's like, he's a legend. He's one of the most dominant champions in any division. And for a guy like that, you got to kind of know the mindset, but don't let him do something.

2:05:20Don't take a fight with you. Maybe you can do it, but you probably. Yeah. You're not going to be a hundred percent. And that's the, and that's a tough thing. You know, it's like, I hate when like, you know, he said that and then things happen and then they talk about what's going on. It's like, brother, like, just give the man his do. You know, you took the fight. You know what you did. What a hell of, what a hell I got to tell you what I was doing this whole time. You know, like at that end day, I was just like, well, he was just a better night. You know, I, I, I, with a lot of fighters, like the most irritating thing.

2:05:51There's two things that irritate me about fighters, bro. Sore losers and then sore winners, bro. Like people that win and still talk like, oh, this, this, and this, I'm like, you want to down fight. So what, why are you telling us all this shit? You know, like, I hate guys to do that. So, and I hate that's the gun. Whenever you see me lose or you see me win, bro, I give nothing but respect to the next guy because I don't know what they've been going to. I don't know what kind of obstacles they had to do because I know what I'm excited to. I'm not going to say shit. But if you want to say stuff like even Justin, like, Justin, he's saying, bro, he's finally doing, uh, uh, he's doing all kind of media now and, bro, he's just saying max at all, you know, congrats to him.

2:06:27You know, I, yeah, we went out there fight like even with him, people are trying to be like, oh, you lost your title shot. Like, what do you feel? It's like, I don't care. That's a being, that's a BMF, but Justin is wired different. You know, like we wired different. You know, I mean, like a lot of us fighters like even people tell me, why are you doing this? Brian wired different, bro. I want to fight the best guys. You know, like, that's just it. I want to fight the best guys in the world. If you guys think this is the best guy, why you think I've been calling DCs badass out for so long? He's the best guy, brother.

2:06:54I ain't fight him and DC and then DC had the last thing fight week to tell me if he made 45. As well, brother, you make 45. I'm killing you right now. It's a fight. But DC, you try to make 45. I'm going to kill you, brother. But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy. You know, the chop both his legs off. You still wouldn't make 45. Brother, he would have to do so much, right? He looked like Mr. Potato head. Can you pull your body apart? Like Mr. Potato? Come on. I think DC could have made 85. I think he could have. I think when he was 205, he was never going to do that. Yeah, I think I think he could have.

2:07:21Yeah. If he really wanted to, but he loved food, though, I know, but I imagine that guy at 85. Good Lord. Oh my gosh. Good Lord. That'd be his normal way. Class because he'd actually be, he'd actually be the height wise of people at 85. I mean, there is some tall 85 is not getting me wrong, but he, oh, him and heavyweight brother, he's like, I know. He gets dwarfed. It's crazy. Brother, he's dwarfed. That's insane that he fought it every way. I know. He won. I won. And he knocked out steepest. Steepest. The goal. The heavyweight goat that people consider he knocked them out, bro. Crazy. Crazy.

2:07:53But John Jones, come on. Then you see a second fight. He's really not a heavyweight. Yeah. And then seeing the third fight like stuff. It's not right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could tell, but he just, he was just, he is low -seat, but he's a little, he loves those little, they're, they're freaking when they make their pots, their cry boils and stuff. But it's going to be interesting though to see someone at 85. That's that caliber of wrestler. Like, so someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185 pound division and has the same kind of punching power.

2:08:27Is there anyone that that is there? Not that way class, not in the UFC. No. Is there some real good races like Johnny Ebblin? Is born into like a, like a Olympic wrestler too or no? He was. He was. That caliber. He was. That caliber. But Bohnickel, you know, he'll tell you he's got a lot of work to do. Like, he was very upset with his last fight. Oh, yeah. Crazy. Crazy. I saw that. My brother, you do with you. See what you had to do, bro. Yeah. But, you know, Cody Brunger is good and he gave him some troubles and he gave him some troubles standing up. You know, he's going to have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that way.

2:09:01Because if they have good takedown defense, but his wrestling is far above and beyond most people that to be. Yeah, but then that's the, but that's the beauty of our sport, right? That is the beauty of us. But I never did any type of wrestling. And I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight. And I mean, I mean, I'm even crazy enough to be like, bro, I go wrestle you at the wrestle practice. I don't give a shit. You know, what it would, what's the worst you're going to do? You're going to ragged on me. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do. But what happens when you don't and I make it a wrestling and you're like, holy fuck.

2:09:29This guy's actually pretty good. You know, so at that day, that's why you just got to be great. That's come. I love MMA, bro. And one punch, one kick, one knee, one elbow, one takedown. You know, I mean, like even takedown, like how much time you take someone down, you show the land in their stomach, change the whole fight. They go, oh, oh, oh, your breeding heart, brother. What's going on there? You know, you just, you start laying on guys. It's a, that's why MMA is a beautiful, bro. You don't know what is going on. You know, what's going to go on? And it's, it's so many different things can happen.

2:09:57How about that Jean Waley, Yon Xiao Nan fight? Oh crazy, bro. We're watching in the back. They're good, bro. When Yon Xiao Nan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round, like when the bell rang and Jean Waley, let's go over and she's like, what's happening? And she goes her back to her corner and like, is that legal? She's out. She was out cold. And then the first row, man, bro, she was out cold. Can we see that clip? Yeah, I want to see that clip. She was out cold. She was out cold. But that's, that's insane, right? She wouldn't tap. That's insane. Because I just saw, I just saw a lot of the, like, I didn't see that part.

2:10:31But then I saw, like, the second, maybe the third running on and like, it was battling, bro. Oh, they're battling. There was a crazy fight, man. Yon Xiao Nan is a beast. She's good, bad. She's, and she's so gangster. The fact she wouldn't tap fully locked in. But then these guys, these guys is like, I don't disarm my family, bro. They, they next level, bro. They're, these guys are, they're, they're warriors. Yeah. People don't understand. Like a lot of these other out of country fighters, bro. They're insane, bro. It's insane when you see an outside fight, like, out of country fight, a quit. Because a lot of them don't.

2:11:06They come from almost the, like, you know, like, Charles, then to come from the slums and trying to come from places where it's like, you almost get bred into being a fighter. You know, like, this is what you're going to do. This is it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy, bro. Apparently, he fought that fight with like a broken foot or something. It's something wrong with him. The, the last fight. Yeah. I'm not sure. With Wonder Boy. That's why I took him down to maybe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That guy, bro. Oh, my God. He's, he couldn't strike. Because he had something wrong.

2:11:36Even when he fought a Neil. Yeah. Bro, what, uh, what is his name? What is his name? Yeah. Jeff Neil, bro. Yeah. And he fucking said, who does that to him? But you know how strong gotta be to do that to Jeff. Jeff Neil, Jeff Neil was 200 pounds that night. They say, um, holy shit. That sounds good. He gained 30 pounds, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, shaggy, bro, that guy is weird. Strong, bro. Ladies. I know. It doesn't look at. No, that's crazy. No, but to squeeze someone's neck off like that or standing, standing. That's like one hook in. That was like, uh, that's almost like a bully, like a bully. I got you.

2:12:09Say, Uncle, you know, like, that's crazy. That's insane. They might, but I was looking at that way. Like, that is insane. And how you do it to Neil. Neil's a tough son of a gun, bro. He any punches hard and he landed hard shots and, and shaggy was like, boo, boo. Okay. No, I choke you. It's a wild time for talent. There's so many guys brother. And, and you know what is cool? It's, it's a wild time for talent. And it's, it's in every week class. You know, like how certain week classes like, ah, yeah, they got you know, this and that and whatever. But it's like in almost every week class. So here it is.

2:12:40This is the end of the round. So Yon Shown is fully out here. Oh yeah, she's got a way. He's got, look at it. It's a perfect rear naked. She's fully out. Like out cold right now. Bell rings. Let's her go out cold. Lucky she woke up. Look at like, she don't know what the fuck's going on. Whoa. I did not know that. Yeah. She was out out. So if you watched the release, she did like 12 seconds. Yeah. If you watched her, I mean, that is a fully lot. Look at that. Look at the palm placement to the back of the head. I mean, she's doing it perfectly. Five seconds right there. She's out. Out. So look at her hands are completely limp.

2:13:21So she's out. And the referee puts his hands on her. She gets up. And she's like, what? What's going on? She literally doesn't know where she's going to the death to the death to the death to the death. Yeah. Woof. Woof. Wow. Imagine you got to fight someone like that. That's the next level, bro. That's a BMF. Yeah. You know, it's wild about the BMF when somebody acts Dana. Dana was like, uh, there's like a what about the BMF? Are you going to make it for girls? And Dana was like, the BMF is forever. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, what the fuck? You can't be saying, yeah, that exactly is like anybody can fight for the BMF.

2:13:58I was like, Dana. What does that mean? You can't be telling me. She's gonna try to challenge you. Put the BMF. Let's fight a 55 again. You can't be saying that shit, Dana. What the hell is going on? Yeah. That's ridiculous. Don't say that. Oh, man. Don't say that. Yeah. That's crazy. But then they might have a female BMF one day. I should. Bro, bro. We at least up there. Yeah. John is up there. But you can't be a motherfucker if you're a girl. Oh, yeah. Yes. What do you call the BDF?

2:14:26Well, I guess you could if it's a lesbian. When's it? Oh, my god. You know, I guess. Yeah, yeah. You're not wrong. I mean, what are we saying? Yeah. I mean, obviously a motherfucker is a different thing. But if you didn't understand our language and you said of the baddest motherfucker, like what? Look at you. What is this? They're right. Other countries that like have to translate the BMF. They're like, what are they saying? Bro, bro. I forgot. We was fighting for the BMF, too. You know, when we're in when I won the when I won the interim title, right? It was like, and now. So when I be peddys and when I fought, although it was and now again, I was like, oh, you owe me an an news.

2:15:11I never ever got that. I gave Bruce like a hard time about it. And then I got my anew now. But I was tripping on when I was going there and I was like in there waiting. I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long? Did he not just see the knockout? But I wanted to say I wanted to give my hand reason. And he was like, I knew undisputed BMF. I was like, oh, I was like, oh shit. Yeah. I was like, oh, yeah. Finally got it. But we need an undisputed anew. So so are you in a holding pattern now? How does it work? Like in terms of what what happens for you in the future? We see what happens, man.

2:15:43We see what happens. I mean, where? So you see what happens in New Jersey? Yeah. Yeah. We see what happens in New Jersey. We I couldn't tell you to be honest. All I know is they know I put my ass after fighting back brother. Things about to change. So I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the change. They know, let us know. Let us we'll be we'll be sitting. We're waiting right now. They gave me like a 30 day no contact. You know, like the normal thing that they do after a fight. I love people don't know that everybody's like, what does it mean? 30 days. Well, are you okay? I'm like, brother, this is just this is just regular stuff that we got to rest after a fight.

2:16:14So I got I'm doing that right now. Me and 10 didn't hit us about anything really. You know, like I said, Ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter. That's what did he say? Can I see what he said? I don't even know what he said. I want to see what he says. I don't even think you're going to reach the whole thing too. Well, you might really have a bit and just not reading. He's an interesting guy. He says he gets drunk the week of the fight like the night before the weigh -ins. I saw that he drinks drinks wine. He drinks wine to make it.

2:16:48Let's you do it. Look, dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you. You're already doing that. I don't think that's like that's like that's like an angry person. Whether I finish you by kale or submission, I just beat the guy that beat you know, I was doing math. Not once. Exactly. But three times. You know, I have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight, the BMF belt. I no longer fight for money, but for legacy already is already fighting for legacy. No longer fighting for money. He got gifted a afternoon martin or something that I saw. Somebody told me.

2:17:21When that belt while holding my title will cement me as the first, the first to hold both belts, the first to knock out bulk and what most certainly will happen when we fight, the first one to put you to sleep, something to calm you down is this. God doesn't shame anyone. You will have a worthy defeat against a champ. Wow, this is like Roman shit. You will have a worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity. I decide who, when and where, if you don't like the terms, I'm sure or or or Tego will oblige. How are you calling on our Tego, right? That's right. No, how's our Tego like even ranked in the way he just beat a year, right?

2:17:57But he's like away for like three years and he haven't seen him calling for a shot. I'm like, yeah, one fight against a year. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, just lost against Volk. Yeah. Yeah, that year is wild. I love watch that too, fight. Like that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport. By the if he if they're like jabs, by the he can, there's like a switch. Well, if he flips it, he's going to be like way more like he's a scary dude already. But there's a there's a switch that he just needs to flip it and he's going to start figuring out and like it's going to be problem. He's calling. But when I thought he, you know what's funny?

2:18:35Because when I fought him, I think that was the best year that anybody ever saw when we fought in the apex. I think it, so there's fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to the full capacity and then there's some fighters when you fight apex, where it's like in the gym, they just going to shine, you know? And like, yeah, year is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple shots and before like you'd seem to hit a couple shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like, oh yeah, whatever. And like the fight just, you know, kind of like getting there and then almost like gets finished because of the fight's not going his way or whatever, right?

2:19:09And I was hitting with some shots and I was just taking in there like, bro, just quit bro. What are you doing? Like why are we making this so much harder? You know, you're making this fight so hard. I have to take it. I have to take his ass down. I was like, what are we doing here, brother? Why? When the hell did this fucking superhero, yeah, year come out of you know? But uh, well, you got to remember, yeah, year, you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right? So yeah, you're gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground. And then you get yeah, you're 2 .0 after that. And it's much better to take down defense, really good at submitting guys off his back.

2:19:40It's just like more of these fights. And he's still a young guy. He's young, bro. Yeah, yeah, you're still hasn't reached his potential yet. But when it comes to kicks, that do kicks. Nobody else. He's the best kicker in the sport. I think like I said, bro, nose to nose, brother. Really great here. Pound like, whoa, whoa, well, it's brother. There's a clip on me like he kicks through my hand. I was like, what the? I never see him too. I was like, it's motherfuck so fast. Bro, he hit BJ pen with a 360 roundhouse kick. Brother crazy. Yeah, crazy, bro. 360 roundhouse kick on legend. Crazy, bro. Yeah, bro.

2:20:12Yeah, bro. I'm telling you, bro, like I said, bro, yeah, you're he's going to be a problem, bro. There's one switch that he's going to flip. It's going to see and I'm going to. And if you're a guy who likes to stay on the outside and you fight that, you're going to change everything. It's those kicks. He's kicks like jabs like he said. You know, he got kicks yet spinning shit. Yeah, he got he's like, and he got hell elbows, bro. He got everything. He chose elbows to be. It's so like even when I was fighting him, bro, like we knew he was going to try to stupid up L word places. And I get fucking caught by him.

2:20:40Like, what the? Like why? Why? I knew he was coming and he hit me. I was like, no, what is going on? This guy is so freaking. He's just he's out of the box. He's so dynamic. He's out of the box, bro. And you can't find a guy that's going to spar like him. Bro, nobody's wild because nobody's willing to take chances. Like, it's good because when we was spying with for him, like I said, like we wouldn't really hit guys. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. Yeah, bro, this kick and he does that too that left kick and then that right over hand. Bro, those kicks are coming from everywhere. Look at this.

2:21:13I mean, that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Emmett's a scary motherfucker though. That knockout of uh, uh, uh, uh, Christ Mitchell. Oh my god. That was crazy. That dude. He's got hairs for fish. Yeah, bro. He's one of those guys. Yeah, but he's one of them load up dudes. Yeah. Everything's coming for death. Every shot's death. It's death. Hey, yeah, I know. That's why that's come. My name in Germany fought the two two hammer dudes brother when they meet, but they collide it, you know, that was a crazy fight. Yeah, that's crazy fight. Yeah, that I saw.

2:21:47I saw somebody claim that as I dug out a German because I saw somebody claim that Josh was like the hardest hitting 45 ever in India. German like what? Someone say something. It's gonna be so funny. I love that dude. But it went to war. He's a bad man. Steven said some crazy. No crazy. Remember half a old dosanjos? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Germany can crack. He's a wild dude. It's a crazy sport, man. I mean, there's there's really nothing like it in terms of I mean, I mean, I know I'm biased, but in terms of excitement, in terms of like when you go to you want to be entertained, go watch some fights.

2:22:25Oh, bro, for sure. You know, you know, it's funny because like a lot of people they can, they can almost like put themselves in a fight because we all fought. It isn't our DNA. Like we all fought some point in our life. Like even if it wasn't like like a fight fight, like you fought your siblings, you fought your cousin. So everybody know that feeling like, oh, this is nuts. This is crazy. You know, like what would they? So you had that feeling in you of like fighting it. You to say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend. Like even if there's a little slap fight, whatever, and you guys hugged it out after like you fought somebody at some moment in your life.

2:22:57And that's come that's what draws it. And you can feel the emotion. And then when guys get into it, they're like, oh man, I would have did this. Do that. Do this. I'm like, yeah, okay. What then you get into fights. You guys stop like this. Like what? But what the hell is all this stuff you're talking about? You know, most people like grossly underestimate their abilities. Brother, brother, but that's the game. You know, and that's why everybody loves it because it's so entertaining because it's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, exactly. But then it's like almost sometimes some guys is just like, just supposed hoping themselves.

2:23:29I'm like, brother, don't do that. You know, like guys, guys calling out like a deep, calling out Demetrius. And then I call it Maddie Moss. And then they show that Maddie Moss like rolled up that guy and it's just to turn around like brother. And even when we talk about this fake, like it's like, oh, in a street fight. When everybody's like, you know, street like, I'm whatever, try to punch this track, bro, in a street fight, kick you right in the dick. The first thing I'm doing, I'm like, I'm gonna kick you right in the baby maker. I want to guard your eyes. I bite you off with this is a street fight.

2:24:00But I have a gun. I'll shoot you. Who cares? I'm gonna win in a street fight. You know, like, no rules, brother, like, come on. The idea that if you give a guy no rules, all of a sudden it becomes lethal. Oh my god. Why? What? What? You're not gonna scare me? Real angry when I would talk to karate guys. And then it's like, your stuff is good for sport. But what we do is for the street. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like that is the dumbest thing you could ever say. You're practicing street techniques. Did you not watch? You see one cry? But there's so many people that just want to, that's the beautiful thing about MMA as well.

2:24:34And all martial arts is that the training humbles you. Oh yeah. The reality of the humbles you. No, but you know, the most hilarious ones is when it does it. Like you see these guys throw, they come and they get their ass kicked and they're back on out. Yeah. I'll kick your ass. That was just one day. You know, watch when I started training. I'm like, brother, but that wasn't it. The comicals was saying you could kill me now. You know, that's a, that's just funny. Yeah. Some guys, they need to do some studying on their brains. It'd be, would be amazing. Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting.

2:25:08But when they get to a championship level, like what I try to explain to people, did you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all? That's a rare person. Like, there's a lot of things that had fallen the place to make a max hallway. Yeah. A lot of things. For sure. Yeah. You know, and you're just like this piece loving like easygoing guy real friendly. I love it. Confused. Yeah. Yeah. Confused. There's a monster inside that head. You know, it is funny. So, when we train, this is a while back when we was training at our old gym.

2:25:44Some guys would come visit my head coach, Ryan Lissar and then he, he, he, and now I'm around like wrestlers. So these guys like stack, you know, wrestler bodies. They're the stack big, small, whatever. And I'm just a little skinny kid. You know, they said when I was starting my UFC crew, I'm just skinny kid. If you look at the pictures, like, no, chest having ass, you know, look, look like a board. You know, next to this guy had some tattoos and then they asked them at the hit, he had asked them, oh, he was like, if I told you you had to, you had to fight one of these guys, you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym.

2:26:15Who would you fight? And who would you choose? And then the guy chose me. He's like, oh, you chose wrong because I got to kill you. He's like, all the other guys, you might have a chance because they might take you down and hold you down. Maybe ground and pounding, but that guy is going to just take kill you in any, any way you could find. So, yeah, looks can be, looks can be deceiving. But like I said, I know I love, I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes about that. And he was a double champ and number one pound of a bond in the world. But that is, it's not looks, right?

2:26:43It's a mindset and it's what you got to do. Well, Fator, Fator too. Yeah. That's a sample that they always had a muffin top. Brother always always stood there. You couldn't make two, you could probably make two or five. Oh, yeah, easy. He might be able to make 85. Fator walked around about two two hundred and thirty five pounds. Yeah, two, I think so one time he was like two thirty two twenty five. Yeah, fat, fat. This never was ripped. Never was it fucked everybody up. Yeah, fucked everybody up. Crazy, bro. Crazy. And then crazy. It was crazy. How Dan Hendel did them like that? Like this is lead.

2:27:15But like for Dan Hendel to do that at any point in their career is insane, bro. I know. Insane. Dan Hendel is a man. He's a bad motherfucker. If he was around during the bell, he'd be one of the guys fun for belt too. Yeah. He's a BMF, bro. Through and true. Oh, 100%. His, his logo like I was like, oh, you look so good. His logo is so good. Bro, that's fine. I love, I love this big bro. I know. That's iconic. It's iconic. And that knockout of Fator was iconic too. Because he's how was he fighting him at heavyweight? What are you doing? No. Why are you why are you fighting Fator at heavyweight?

2:27:47Who the fuck? He's an 85 from any chaos. He cares. Well, underpipes, bro. Yeah, it's not the back door. It's on the ground and hit him with an upper cut. Yeah, he was a monster man. Dan Anderson was a bad man. Oh, bad man. In the early days, I mean, he's a pioneer. I mean, that guy was fighting in MMA in the 90s. Mother what 90? Because I was born in the one. Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born. Brother crazy. And you guys were in the same era. That insane. That's insane. Yeah. Holy I know. Look at that. Yeah. Because your era started when you were 20 years old. Yeah. And while you're fighting, Dan Anderson was the man.

2:28:30Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. And he was fighting before you were even conceived. Yeah. Years believe it. Thought of brother. I was even thought. Not even a thought. You were in another dimension waiting any day now. Yeah. Come on. Let's go. And now here you are. Listen, man, you I'm it's beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend to see this Renaissance and to see people just giving you your due. And you know, that's a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights. They just they sleep. We were talking about it during the walk. I'm like max is only 32 years old. Yeah. I'm just saying he's in his prime right now.

2:29:11Like this is this is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him. And they counted you out, man. And you came up big. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody ever had to do something about that. I was just I you know, I shot up to Dana. Dana Hunter. Shout out to Sean. Shout out to Sean. We're all behind the scenes. Sean. Sean. Sean. We know what he did for his fight. He's he's a man, bro. He's a man and that's guys are great. Him and the record. Yeah. I couldn't I couldn't that bro. Yeah. Just wrapping your head around bro. Just just to have that fight at UC 300, bro. What's bro? UC 300 is huge all around.

2:29:44You know, you know, as a big card. And then to get that finish like a lot of people saying it's the movie type finish against Justin Gaichy a guy who's supposed to you said it best outgun me too big too strong. Was supposed to like in Tony 2 .0 me whatever the hell that means. How much of a favorite was he at fight time? Brother when I fight time he still is 2 to 1 I believe. He was like 2 to 1. I think so that it opened at like 260 and then I think so he closed that like 2 to 3. I might be wrong. But then I people people told me it was like stay 2 to 1. So it was like I'm just happy, you know, a lot of my friends they don't really get me on the dog.

2:30:20So you know, thank you for rockin with me for many years. Yeah. There it is. Well it was the biggest challenge of your career and it was the best performance. I mean you were you were on point man. Thank you. The strategy, the movement, everything that jump spinning back kick because DC kept saying like this is a new skill like the way he's like. DC's not my friend bro. He's not a real friend. He's not a bugger. Tell me a new skill. I've been doing this from like my third USC fight ever. You have but it was way better now. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's way better now. Yeah. It's like it's like anything right?

2:30:50Like it's going to get better. I kept we kept practicing it. Well like you said you know, bro, you know how devastating this kick is. That kick can change even if you if you if you land it on the liver. You're gonna even if it doesn't hurt it. It's going to like long jeopardy. It's like I like saying what Teddy Atlas say. You know, you put water in the basement. If I land that good in your stomach. Yeah. It doesn't feel it doesn't feel nice. But even if you look normal. You're you know it's and then I touch you touch you there. It's just gonna shock your whole body and it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt.

2:31:22So that's spinning back kick brother. It's just like I said the video game watching you bend the bag brother. If you could put up that clip that's bro. You was bending that bag and I was like what the fuck like how like this kick is strong as shit. Like I was just thinking of like breaking people's spines with it. You know that was my best one. Yeah. That's me now as an old man though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The other one was a younger one. Yeah. But it's still I still know what to do it right. Look at that. Yeah. Look at that. The old people today like that's what's interesting about this Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight.

2:31:53Old people today have hormone replacement hormone replacements a game changer. Oh yeah. It's a different thing. Oh yeah. You know, 57 year old man today like Mike Tyson's like that's not a 57 year old man from 1990. Oh and this is the one. Yes. Oh that's the 360. So the idea the idea to explain that was that I forget who used to use that a lot. Oh, Cungley. Boom look at this bro. That's over there's this the clip I saw holy fuck I think what the hell is your rug and your rug is on drugs.

2:32:26Bro look at that look at your food. Stay look at the hip. Look positive when Ray when he bought the freaking land on the bag bro. Look at the food extension bro. You hit so yeah look at that. Look. Oh my gosh. That's where you get the maximum amount of power. Yeah. That's crazy. That's maximum amount of power. He'll facing them your head looking at it and you're landing with your heel and I'm looking over my right shoulder. Yeah. It's turned away. So I got full extension pushing off the back leg kicking with the front leg. Brother. It's crazy power and it's not utilized that much. Dennis Seary used to have a good one.

2:33:00Oh, Dennis Seary was really good. I liked him. Yeah. He had a really good one. And then we're going back to what you're saying brother with my Tyson like. Did you see the clips of him like moving bro. Yeah, he looks good. Bro. He's got months to prepare. Bro, imagine he going there and just clips of that bro. What is going on? So he's going to be hell on wheels in the first round for sure. He's going to be hell on wheels. You know, because I don't know how long he can go. I don't know what his joint to feel like or his back feels like. I don't know what's really going on. And you're watching clips of a guy hit the house.

2:33:32Yeah, that's hope he gets something crazy. And then he say his back is broken. That iconic speech. Get another iconic speech from him. It's going to be interesting. And it's the only time I could ever remember where I was. Well, I would be interested in watching a 57 year old man fight a 20 year old man. Yeah, for sure. Like you said, like even bro, like because everybody saw him walking on the cane, right? He's looking at what if he trolling everybody? What if he knew, bro? What if he knew something we didn't know? What if he's wearing or seeing us all over? You know, but but even that bro, they had the new video of him moving.

2:34:04I'm like, but this is not fair. What is he doing? They're going to do everything to him. They're going to give him all the hormones, all the recovery, everything. They're going to do everything they can to get him ready for that. There's a lot of money in this. That's a lot of money, bro. It's going to be and his own in exhibition, right? It's not even real fight, right? And they have 16 ounce gloves and they they have to fight two minutes. Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 16. If you're Mike Tyson. Fuck yeah, fuck yeah. If you're Mike Tyson, you know, I mean, I mean, even Paul, bro, Paul is Paul is not a small guy.

2:34:33He's big. Like a lot of guys think he's tiny. He's a huge boy. Yeah. He's big dude and he can crack. Yeah. And I always say that people look at him like a guy who is a YouTuber and they're denying the skills. No, no, 90 more, bro. Name before when he first was coming out, that's the way that's the way you should look at him. But now, bro, he got like, yeah, like love in his corner, like love is his main trainer. What is it? John love or he's one of Floyd boys. That guy is he was like a legit world champion at one point. So he knows the training that he has to be done. Like before I was like, yeah, whatever.

2:35:05But then when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training getting ready for these guys, like he's a business man, too. Don't get me wrong. But he's training, bro. He's not he's not. He's not freaking cutting no corners, bro. He got the right guys. You got a right team. Shredding conditioning, probably eating right, eating good, fighting on his terms, bro. Yeah. Guys, this is what you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis and Gano. Oh, brother, brother, crazy, right? I thought, I thought if if Anthony was going to be able to like really shock the world, this was I was like, give him Anthony Joshua first.

2:35:43I always think in that like he could have Andy Ruiz. Like Joshua is known for like kind of getting caught and he gets rocked. So like I always thought that Anthony, not Anthony, but Gano had the opportunity to be like, oh, you can probably strike him. You know, you can hurt him. You can probably hurt him with a hand, especially because nobody knew anything about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, before the Tyson fight, but I think sort of Tyson fight shooked up the world and and these guys like even like what's his name? Joshua was saying like there was a gimmick fight and he's the next guy.

2:36:13Yeah. How you called? How you called Gano a gimmick fight and you fight him next and you and he trained, you know what I mean? Like you could tell bro, he was like not like what he did to Tyson brother. Like a lot of people, I thought he won bro when I'm watching it. I was like, bro, this guy won. I thought he wasn't a decision. He won. I think this guy is about to shake up the whole thing, but of course it's boxing. They're, you know, it is what it is, but yeah, and in front of Francis went out there, he was saying that like he was tired the time, whatever, right? Like like the thing. But Anthony, Joshua looks so good.

2:36:47He's so good, bro. It's just a difference in skill. Yeah. Caught him with that right hand in the first round and rocked him. It's just a difference in skill level. I can't think Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist. Yeah, bro. And you can see you can see look the faint look the faint look what he's doing. He's already he's already even jumping his hand, you know, he's also shooting that jab to the bottle. Yeah. And looking for Francis to counter with that left hook. Yeah. Francis leans back and throws that left hook. Yeah, he goes like this. Yeah. And that's what he caught. And that's what he caught Tyson Fury with.

2:37:16Look at that. Look, look, he leaned back there too. Look, he looks to back. Oh man. Yeah, it was a big win. Oh, this guy is some big dude. They went for boxing. Big days. Yeah, big win for Joshua. So fast too. Yeah. He's so fast. And he's he matches him strength wise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Straight in the right and few. Yeah. Straight and and speed, you know, much faster. Yeah. Look at that right hand. Oh, right over. That right hand over the time he was fucked here. Now he gets up. He's in real trouble here. Yeah. And boom. I mean, that right. He never moved, bro. He didn't even see it.

2:37:53No, I mean, he did not even see it brother. He was already out here. Like he's but but but you saw how that set up because then he was doing the job to the body. Like he said, job to the body. So he just he just sat down and stuff kind of froze going back like this. Got overhand. Perfect. Beautiful boxing boxing exhibition man. Beautiful boxing. Do you ever think you're going to do any boxing matches? Madden, I don't know, bro. I don't know. I would love to. It'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah. I would say who, you know, but like like I said, we got a lot. I got it's not even worth calling out or doing anything because I didn't they I'm with the USC.

2:38:29Right. And if the UFC don't see it making money, they're not going to give it. And then all I'm going to be is be one of these dumbasses on the internet calling out stupid fights for no reason. It's not going to happen. You know, I mean, right. So at that day, it is what I would love. If personally, if you ask me, I would love to box about that. I would love to to to I have some boxing, some boxing cousins that's coming up in the boxing world right now or even even a friend. He just fought on the 28 and he just won J. J. But Neato, he's the man. And and my cousin and they're coming up there fighting my cousin them and I would love to box when I boxing them.

2:39:05It's fun. It's having fun. I have great. And then to go in there and actually box someone to see the difference. I would love to see it. You know, I would have like right now like at 32 years old, do you have a timeline for the two and 40 for sure. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I always thought like maybe 35, 36, we kind of look at it. It all depends on where I'm at in my career. You know, if I'm stood in the top five and you know, even championship level, if I'm stood here, I'm doing what I'm doing here. At 35, 36, maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then I always I tell you every time we talk.

2:39:46You know, I want I want to retire the game. I don't want the game to retire my ass brother. Because how much time do we see not only in our sports, but any sports, the grades they just don't, they don't they don't leave when they're supposed to leave and they just kind of like, yeah, they have a great legacy, but it kind of hurts it at the end. Like even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did, it's still it kind of hurts them. Like, oh, you kind of stayed, you overstayed your welcome, you know, and that's got my got a bunch of other stuff, you know, that I'm trying to try to get into like, like I said, with this new bro drink that you're drinking, right?

2:40:19With, you know, I'm a corner of that. I, the streaming stuff, I love, I know you love gaming. I don't know if you've been gaming, but the streaming stuff I love it now. That's great. And I love being playing games because at the end of the day, a lot of these guys that, they identify, they identify themselves with their sport. And when they retire, they don't have nothing. So they come back anyway, because they kind of lose themselves. They feel like, oh, this is my identity. So I'm trying to build these stuff. So I have another venture. So as soon as we go, I can try and attack this. Like I would love to stream when I'm older, you know, even freaking podcasts or interview or do something like you need these guys need to understand that they need something outside of their sport before they let go, you know, like Kobe was doing it right.

2:40:59You know, I mean, wrestling piece to him, but he did it right. You know, when he was getting rid of surfing, he started doing his podcast. He started doing all kind of other stuff. He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball. Like he was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did. And he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in in another way. So that's the main thing. You know, as long as I can compete at an elite level, you know, I don't want to be this guy that's just hanging on and everybody's like, oh, man, I know. I don't fucking it would sadden me the day that I'm fucking walking out to a fight.

2:41:28And Joe, I'm like, yeah, Max did this, this and this. But you know, he's a little bit older now. Like, I'd be fucking, I'd be distrught. You know, I mean, I'd be like, what the fuck? I don't want Joe Rogan talking my ass walking out of the fight like that, you know, retire on top, man, retire on top. Listen, brother, it's been an amazing time as a person who loves a sport to watch your rise. Thank you, but it's been incredible to see you fight from the very first from Yeah, there a little baby, a little baby, been incredible, man. And just congratulations on just the greatest knock out of all time and epic performance.

2:42:01He was amazing. And I can't wait to see you in there again. Thank you, buddy. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Tell everybody how they can watch your streams where they could find you social media, all that shit. Brother, Instagram, Twitter or ex now, at blessimemy. And then on my stream kick .com, backslashmax, Holloway, we stream gamble, we stream first person shooters. I'm apex legend. It's a shooter. So come see me if you want to play. Come see him. All right. Beautiful. Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.