JRE MMA Show #156 with Royce Gracie

28:31The old Joe Lewis. Really? To Brazil. And, excuse me, and went to Brazil and my father challenged him. Wow. Horde had a letter that was given to my father saying, Joe Lewis boxed against anybody. Boxing against boxing. Not in the MMA match. And my father was like, I don't even have 45 pounds. Joe Lewis was 220, 200 pounds. They have you weight champion at the time. Wow. You look amazing. Imagine if he took that on. If he was willing to do that, that would have been exciting. But back then, those know the internet. Yeah. So a lot of people probably wouldn't find out. Right. It would be very smart and it would be.

29:20Didn't happen. Yeah, no one would understand. There's no vapes and. Right, right, right. Yeah, you'd have to set that up. You'd have to set that up. Bring a camera crew and the whole deal. Yeah. What was it about your father that had this mentality, that had this desire to challenge himself and prove Jiu Jitsu's effectiveness?

29:45I think he was being smaller, being peak on it. And once he learned, he had that power. He learned Jiu Jitsu. So he got that power with him. So he wanted to show others. And he wasn't, I would say, as a fighter, he always says, if I fell on top of the opponent, I would have been nice. I want to choke him out or subdue him. Use the submission, making tap technique. If he wasn't top of me, I would have beat him up. He used to say, hit him, get off me, get off me. He should have listened. He should have got off me in the first punch. He will tie you up and beat you from the bottom. Well, that was one of the more interesting things about Jiu Jitsu because of what your father did was because your father was smaller, he developed much more technique off of his back.

30:46Because in these other styles of judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu, it wasn't really emphasizing fighting off of your back. Yeah, he was playing defense. So he always said, tie your opponent up. And if you have to beat him up from the bar, but if you get on top, there's no reason to beat him up. You under control, you control the fight. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually, I have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged, free -spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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32:20Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent and perfectly untamed. Just subdue him. Hmm. Well, there's a lot of defense. It's interesting now that I mean defense, I'll say. Very mean defense, yeah. But it's interesting now when you see the rules, the rules are set up much more for strikers and for wrestlers because I've been talking about this lately. Like say if you're a juditsu guy and you're fighting in the first round and it's rounds are five minutes long and you take the guy down four minutes and 30 seconds.

33:06You only have 30 seconds to work. I feel like a fight should be, even if you're going to make it rounds, the fight is the fight. I don't think someone should be able to get up. I don't think you should stand people up ever. I think once a guy takes you down, the fight is on the ground. If it's boring for the audience, tough shit. If you're on the bottom, get up. And if you can't get up, tough shit. And if the round ends and then the new round begins, I think they should start you right back in the same place. I think because they're on the same way division. Back then there was no way division.

33:43Right. But since it's so I would say the fight doesn't favor one person, one style or another. It doesn't favor it but it gives a distinct advantage if you let a person stand up that didn't stand up. So if you start the second round, say if you take me down with four minutes and 30 seconds to go and you're dominating me and you're closing in on me and you're about to tap me but then the round ends. And then we start but now we start standing up. But I didn't earn that stand up. I just got to stand up because of the time. I feel like the fight should be a fight. So if a fight is five rounds, that's a 25 minute fight.

34:24And I think whatever position that you're in at the end of that first round, you should begin in the second round. That's what I think. I think it's a favor of doing one round straight through. That would be a while too. I think one round and maybe even no time on that. No time limit is not good for the TV. No, no, but good for the internet. One 15 minute round. Yeah, that's it. One 15 straight through goes straight through. No rounds. Start 15 minutes later will stop. They should try that. And if a, hey, nobody wins. And another five minutes or 10 minutes. Right, overtime round. You see, overtime.

35:03Well, I think pride had good rules with a 10 minute first round was better. I think 10 minutes is better. Especially if someone like works really hard again, four minutes, 30 seconds, you finally take the guy down. Now you're on top. And now you're trying to set things up, but the bell rings. And then you start standing up again. Yeah, I started standing up again. But then, yeah, I think put a 10 minute round, 15 minute, one round straight through, man. But I think the problem is they've stopped changing the rules. The rules are the rules now. And they've kind of like solidified them and established them.

35:35But I don't think the rules are right. I think, I think if a guy takes you down, you should have to earn a standup. You have to get back up to your feet. So if the fight ends with one mountain on top of the ice, or on the back. Yeah. If that's the end of the round, you start from the same position. I think they should show it up on the screen, what the position was. And then everybody agrees. Okay. So he had an overhook. He had half guard go. Or how about like they, they playing football, American football. If the fight, five minute finish and the guys on the mountain position, you gotta let it go until they break away.

36:20Mm -hmm. Yeah. So you're gonna go and tell somebody score. Yeah. So I like that. It's like if the position ended up on a such an advantage, advantage position. That was something about it. Yeah. It's something to think about if you want to make things more realistic. Like this is the round. And I'm on your back about to choke you or with a gilded tear as a choke or on bars cotton. Okay. The belt doesn't ring until you get away and get up. Then we'll take a break. Yeah. That's not bad either. I just think that having a fight start, if you start, you start standing up. But I think round to round, you should resume the position whatever you were in in the the previous round.

37:09I think that's the only thing that makes sense. Because otherwise you didn't earn a stand up. But if a guy takes you down and mounts you and he's setting up a head and arm choke and he's sinking, sinking, get in and then the buzzer rings. You should go right back to that spot when round two starts because you didn't get out of that. So, and now if the guy's a kickboxer, now he goes, oh shit, I almost got caught. And now you start that next round standing up. He has an advantage because now he's standing up. Yeah. But he didn't earn that stand up. You earned the take down. You got him down. You got in a superior position.

37:42You were about to finish him. I like it. I like it. Yeah. I think it makes more sense. I like it. No one's going to listen to me though.

37:53Especially me though. You biased towards GG2. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am. But I'm not though. But I'm not though because I feel like, I mean, if it was the other way, if you start a fight, if a guy stood up and got back to a standing position, you would never take them back down again and start doing it. But if it was a switch around, just playing devil's advocate over here. Okay. The kickboxer or the stand up guy hit almost knock him out. Bell rings. Who? Save by the bell. Right. How do we restart that one? Well, he restarted standing. It's still standing. I mean, the round you have the minute rest, but you're still standing.

38:39The kickboxer still. I would say let it go. Let it go. The clock goes until, hey, and either he recover, getting a clinch and whoo. Yeah. Got away. The right way to do it then is one round. One 15 minute round or one 25 minute round in a championship fight. That's the right way to do it. That would be a lot of 15. 30 seconds. So 30 seconds, a minute round of minute break. Yeah. And then 10 minutes. That's not bad. Yeah. First round, 15. Yeah. Woo. That would be crazy. It would be a early night. Yeah. I mean, how many finishes would there be? There would be a lot more finishes. I think so. I wonder how people have to work on the endurance too.

39:20Oh, yeah. Because a lot of guys, I see they finish the fight. One is fresh. The other one is done for the night. Right. But then the one that's fresh lost because he doesn't have that quick to itch, that fast to itch muscle. The one that explodes everything on the first round, the second, third round, that's it. Yeah. This guy's ready to go for five, six, but he's time is over. Right. It's an interesting two, right? It's a matter of what people don't understand that don't that just watch it and don't do martial arts. It's really just about pacing yourself too. Knowing when to hit the gas, when to back up, knowing that you have to fight for five rounds and knowing like when to push, like some fighters, they'll back off in, you know, in the beginning because they know that the guys are going to come out fast and hard and they're just going to wait, okay, he's slowing down now.

40:14Now I start to press. Now I start to put on the gas. And it becomes a mental too, like Harding used to say, if I drop you off on the middle of the ocean and tell you, I'm coming back in an hour. All you got to do is try the water for an hour. But if I drop you off and say goodbye, find your way home. Now you got to pick a direction, start swimming. Yeah. Most people drowned before an hour. Yeah. True. Right? Mental. Yeah. For a lot of mental, there's no round to save you. Yeah. Yeah. That's the most interesting thing about the early UFC is that it was just no time limit. Just here we go. There's like then seven on top of me for 15 minutes.

40:57I beat him on the final 16 minutes. Yeah. So 15 minutes if it was today, he would have won. Yeah. He wasn't taught to talk me down. He's taught us, got on top. Would have won the decision. I remember that day. I remember when you caught him in that triangle. Most people didn't even know what's going on. They were like, what is he doing? What the hell's happening here? What is going on? Nowadays everybody would be like, oh, the audiences are so educated now. That was a perfect example of playing defense, right there. I totally played defense against him. First straight, the opponent, until he made a mistake.

41:38I tried, I tried early on in the fight, but he was able to get out to get out and then I defend, defend, defend, defend. He couldn't do anything. I can see him getting first straight. He didn't know how he was going to win. I can feel that. There's no way. I can't beat this guy. Right. Because you were so good defensively. I'm just playing defense. He couldn't hit me. He tried to see, but I knew he didn't have any finishing holds. He didn't know any finishing holds. He was just trying to put pressure. Okay. I'll take no problem. It was also the key. The key was so smart too to fight with the guillon because guys would just grab that key.

42:21When you would close the distance and get a hold of them, they would grab your key instinctively. I'd prefer them to grab a lot of Brazilians who are like, man, but then they grabbed and they make you harder for you. No, I'd prefer them to put their hands on me because I know where their hands are. At least if they're not punching me, if they have nothing to grab, they're going to be swinging on me. Right. Go ahead. Grab my key all day long. I don't mind. Well, guys who weren't even grapplers would grab your key. I remember watching human instincts. Yeah, human instinct. Yeah. And also, you have all that friction.

42:52He is so good to hold on to guys when you have the key. And I tried them. Usually, my father's like, use the key to dry the guys because if you had to be slippery, it's not like today, they put oil on their body. Oh, yeah. They definitely do. Yeah, they definitely do. They keep boxes, all put Vaseline all over. That's to warm up the Tiger Bound to warm up. That thing's slippery, man. Oh, yeah. Guys take baths in baby oil. They would lie down in a bathtub and put water and put baby oil in the water and just soak themselves in baby oil. So even if they're dry, then as the moment they start to sweat, they're just like, whoop, like holding a rose salmon.

43:30Whoop, you're slipped right out of your fingers. Yeah. It's gonna be good old days. Good old days. No rules. And then they slowly started implementing rules. They slowly started implementing weight classes and then mandating gloves and then taking away shoes. I understand. I understand. And they had to be, it became a show, let's say. Yeah. So on the beginning was a style against a style. Yeah. Today's more of a, I would look out at more like a, like a, is it not lit against a not lit? Yes. Now it's sports. It's a real sport. And it's still a sport that there's still a lot of rules that I don't agree with.

44:09Like, I don't agree with no needs to the head on the ground. I think that's ridiculous. I think that doesn't make sense because they're very effective. Like, you don't be in a position where you get need in the head. Like, don't, don't be in that. Don't stay in a turtle. Like when guys just stay in a turtle and the guys got a hold of them, man, that's a terrible place to be in the street. Yeah. Oh my God. If a guy's got a head and arm on you and he's holding you and you're in the turtle and his knees are free and you're not blocking your head, oh, this fight is over. But in the UFC, you can't even do anything.

44:39That seems to me to be crazy. And they try to make it, I think, for to last long the fights. Well, I think it's less brutal too. And the idea is that like you can't defend yourself against needs to the head of ground, but you can, obviously, prize to them. Yeah. I can't elbow the back of the head. Right. The back of the head from the back. If you have the back mount, remember when Hanzo, when your cousin fought Striker, that guy in, was a World Combat League. Oh my God. He got his back and just boom, boom, just fucked him up. You didn't even need to put the choke in. Like you couldn't do anything.

45:15You're just flattened out with your face on the mat and the guy's pounding the back of your head. He just tapped. So they're kind of trying to put a little bit of, to protect the fighter. Yes. I understand. I understand too. I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it here. Also, it's weird that you can't hit the back of the head because the back of the head gets hit a lot. A lot accidentally, especially with head kicks. Like a lot of times, head kicks wrap around the back of your head and it's totally legal. Like if two guys are standing and one guy faints and the guy throws a punch and the guy throws a head kick and the head kick hits him, bang, it wraps right around the back of the head.

45:54It's a shin. That's okay. And that's a legal KO, which is crazy. But if you get a guy on the ground and you punch him in the back of the head, the referee will take a point away, stand you up, doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I would say let it go. Let it go. Yeah, let it go. That would be good. Yeah. You got to protect the back of your head. The back of your head is vulnerable. If you're in a situation where a guy can punch the back of your head, you should be blocking the back of your head. And now we can punch the front of your head. Now you got to block the front of your head. Turn the face into a product.

46:27You have to, you have to, this is a, we're talking about the sport of a fighter. Effective fighting. And it's very effective to punch someone in the back of the head. And they say it's more dangerous. But I mean, we're talking about a very dangerous sport. It's effective to punch the temple. That's okay. That's fucking vulnerable. That's a thin little piece of bone. How many of you have to go on? Four. Yeah. Yeah, just to protect your fingers. That's all that's just for the brides. It just, it helps you hit harder. Yep. It just protects you from cuts a little bit, a little bit, you know. But still, the cast that they put underneath, all that taping and the gloves, just to protect your hands.

47:04So don't break your hands. Exactly. Yeah. Do you think that they should be bare knuckle? I think you should have go back the old ways. Just try out one time. One time, right? One time would be great. One time limit, no way division. Why doesn't someone do that? Why doesn't someone do that? Someone should do, I mean, I don't know about the weight limit thing. Guys are too good now. The problem is guys are too good. But if there's no weight division, if there's no weight division, you cannot have time limit. Right. So if you take the weight, you gotta take the time. Right. Like my father would say, I'll give you the weight division, you gotta give me time.

47:40Right. So you may have some of the light weights over here, man. The 170s, 180s, they will fight, they have your weights. Also with no time limit, most of these guys, well, if they're ju - ju - ju - ju - ju - ju guys. But also a lot of these guys are not really - that's the other thing is the weight cutting. Like Kamaru Usman is a great example. He was the 170 pound champion, one of the greatest ever. Never weighed 170 pounds. He weighed 170 pounds for about five minutes. Walk around 200. Yeah, easy. Jacked. All of them. Everybody. You can't fight one, except for BJ Penn. BJ Penn was the last guy who fought at 170, he probably weighed like 165 when he beat Matt Hughes.

48:23You know, and he didn't just didn't cut any weight at all. He just weighed what he weighed and just went in and went after it. But again, ju - ju - ju - ju - guys, you know. But everybody have to know ju - ju - ju - today. Yeah. Some are more proficient than the others. Yeah. But everybody have to know. Yeah, you have to know what's going on. You have to. Yeah. Everybody have to know a little bit of wrestling. You have to know striking too. Yeah. Kickboxing, boxing, the karate, everybody have to know a little bit of everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different sport. It's totally different. What would it be fun to do once, see who can sign up for it?

48:59Yeah. Yeah. No time limit, no weight class, no gloves. Yeah. Old school. I think they should take away the cage. I think the cage helps people too. Because it helps people stand back up. It helps you. If you get a guy down and you get a guy down in an open room, like say a basketball court. Like there's nothing to help them get back up. Okay. Hold on. Time out over here. Now he brought some memories over here. Yeah. First you have to see. It was John Miller's. The producer for Conan the Destroyer. The father of dirty Harry. The Clint Eastwood. He's in charge of creating the cage. But before the cage, they come up with some ideas.

49:45They present to me. I was like, wait a minute. Hold on. They're like, how about if we make a round ring with a pit under with a pit around it, which shocks. I was like, hold on. Imagine if I fight a sumo wrestler and just bump me off and fall off the shocks he would use. Yeah. Yeah. Who should put piranhas because you're from Brazil. What? The ideas they had. How about a like a bowl and people try to get off, but you can't because you'll be slippery. You can't climb off the walls. The side, but then they didn't have the angles for the camera. And how about putting the they try the octagon with Bob wires.

50:34Oh God. I was like, dude, imagine if I got somebody big and just push me against and hang me on top. Yeah. That's right. Let's make a electrical fence. That's like really the ideas they had, man. I was like, they'll fight some everybody I'm going to fight. It's going to be bigger than me. They can push me against the fence. Fry me against the fence. Come on. Really? I keep virulent the ideas. They were kind of crazy ideas. God imagine if you went through with those. That's over. Deculous. I've been saying for a while that they should do. Look, if you could watch a basketball game, basketball game is on this massive court.

51:14Why can't there be a fight on a basketball court? Just flat mats, no walls. So everyone can see everything that's going on. There's even a basketball that guys will go to the edge. Yeah. But you have a warning track. So you have a warning track of like 15 feet on each side. Well, let's make that bow that they'll talk about. I was on a bad idea. The bow so the guy can climb off. It's like with the wall, the edges. Have you seen karate combat? How karate combat's doing it? No. Karate combat is doing it like that where they have a flat surface and it's on the edges. There's mats that go to the edges like at an angle.

51:52In the angle like people cannot climb out. They kind of go up against it but then they get pushed and then they fall down. They fall down because it's like I think a wall is actually better than the angle because it's just too easy to fall. Like as someone's pushing you up against that thing is a slope. It's hard to like as someone's like you're yeah. So if you see how they do it, see how they have that wall. It's that, yes. See the angle. So I don't necessarily think that that's the best idea because as soon as you go up against that, a lot of times guys wind up falling down and the guy just falls on top of them.

52:27Yeah. You can back up. Yeah, you can back up. I think it would be better if it was like a basketball court. Just a flat mat and a basketball court and there's a warning track. So if you know you're in the red zone, you have to get out of that red zone. And if you keep retreating to the red zone, maybe they take a point away from you. Like maybe you have to, it's a lot of room. A basketball court is a big space. There's plenty of room. You start in the center and then that's how you fight. I just try to eliminate all the factors that aren't another human. Like the other human, if a guy takes you down and you could scooch up to the wall and then you start using the wall and you press against the wall, now you're standing up again, but you use the wall.

53:09Like if that was just flat, no wall, you're not getting up. Now you have to go under hooks. You have to do deep half. You have to do something to try to reverse the position. You try to get back up on your feet. You have to, you have to earn a standup much more difficult than if you're just using the wall. They help you stand back up.

53:31Shock. Shocked for honest, electrical fence. Yeah. I remember the first UFC I worked was UFC 12. And this was when I was on a television show. I was on this television show called News Radio. It was a sitcom. And so I was hired to go do the post -fight interviews. And I remember the people that I was working with on this sitcom, like, what are you doing? Like, why are you being involved in this? This brutal. And I was telling them, I was like, no, no, no, no. This is going to be the biggest sport in the world. Like, sir, out of your fucking mind. Like, you're crazy. No one's going to like this.

54:09This is insanity. Like, you're going to watch people fight in a cage. And I'm like, that was one of the challenges that Hordeon had. And a lot of people did not believe it on him. He was like, people are like, men, you cannot fight on the streets. How are you going to put this on live TV? Right. That was one of the challenges that the Hordeon figured out. Paper View. He must be happy now watching it, right? Oh, yeah. Like, look, I was right. He's baby. Yeah, look at his baby now. He's babies on ESPN. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. That was a national TV. When was the last time Hordeon went to a UFC? I don't know.

54:50Does he still watch them? I think so. Yeah. I think he does watch it. So I talked to him once in a while. Once a month we talk. It must be crazy for him to see this thing that was his idea. Just branch off and become this huge all over the world. Does he? Is he mad? Did he didn't get a piece? No. Because it's all sold from. He never told me he never talked. He never talked to me about that. But they should have cut him in. But they should have cut him in. Yeah. You know what you think about it. Like if anybody deserves a piece, that guy deserves a piece. For the vision that he has. If it wasn't for his vision and the way they decided to go about doing it, and also your father, your father's vision for it, you don't hurt him, just use jujitsu to show everybody.

55:38Because that's one of the things that made it so appealing. It wasn't that it was just so brutal. That the guy who won wasn't brutal. The guy who won it was just better. And that's why I think the first, second, third, DFC until I didn't finish on the third, DFC. And first and second, people are like, this is no way. He's the smallest one. Right. Beat everybody without hurting them. I don't know. Everybody thought I was like, yeah, a lot of people are like, they're non -marsh largest people. Yes. Marshall and people were new. It was like, oh, oh. Yeah. Marshall, I was being like this. We've got to learn this.

56:14Well, everybody who took jujitsu knew right away. Like, because it was, it was so eye -opening. Like, like I said before, my first class is like the ideas that you had in your head of how competent you are versus the reality that you're confronted with. And you saw that in all the Gracie and Action tapes too. Like these guys, they wanted to do it again. Like, how did you do that? Let's try it again. No way. And then, whoop, take down again. Whoop, Arnbar. Like, like, Gerard Gordot, after the first CFC, he went back to Holland and prepared Remko Pardoux to beat me. Remko Pardoux, judo player, and do some stand up.

56:50When I beat Remko Pardoux, they went back to Holland. They're like, okay, we have to learn this jujitsu thing. We have to learn this. Remember when Remko Pardoux fought Orlando Viet? Yes. And he got him in a psychotron, and just elbowed him unconscious. And everybody's like, oh, wow. Yeah. That was crazy. Because Orlando Viet was scary. That was scary. Ooh, lightweight, very good kickboxer. Yeah, nasty, nasty moitime. And Remko Pardoux, whoop, took him down elbows, boom, boom, boom. And then stopped. He stopped. He stopped, look. He's out. That's right. Such an educational moment for martial arts.

57:36Again, martial arts has changed so much since 1993. People's understanding of martial arts. It's just the general public what they know. If you see street fights today, guys go to the ground all the time. You see street fights today. Guys get guys in heel hooks. Crazy. Street fights. Yep. You know, here it is. Here's Remko. Boom, boom. The first one, he was already out. And it's just like 260 pounds. Yeah, it was a big dude. But it was just like, no one understood what was going on. No one understood anything. That's the same thing down that he tried to do to me, but I ended up on his back. Yeah.

58:12I knew he was going to do that. That they don't trap the arm roll over. Mm -hmm. So I ended up on his back and that's when I choke him. Such a strange time for martial arts really. If you really stop and think about it, such a strange time. Because all these years, thousands of years of people fighting, thousands of years of people having this idea of how to fight. And then all of it comes together in the UFC. And then we go, OK, now we have new data. Now we have new understanding. OK, now we get it. Now we get it. And then you see it evolve to what it is now. Where you see these guys, like Alex Pada, the kickboxer who comes in and now he's got his style.

58:53And it's... I think today's more of a lot of strategy, too. Because both fighters are practicing, they stand up, and the grappling. Yeah. They do jujus, they do wrestling, everybody does kickboxing, everybody practice all of them. So he's a question of who have the best strategy? Yeah, who has the best strategy? And then these people like Pada, who has a unique skill set, like scary kickboxer, dangerous. He just hits you once, you're unconscious. You know, he did like that guy presents a very unique challenge. Like if you don't grab him and you don't get him to the ground, you are fucked. Because if you're standing up with him, at any moment, that guy's going to set you up, move a boom!

59:35Like we did with Jamal Hill in that last one. Yes. All takes his one shot from that guy. You know, like so these guys now that everyone has their own unique skill set. And it's so interesting seeing how that skill set matches up with another guy's skill set. Like with Pada, I want to see what happens if he fights against like an elite wrestler, a really good, really good at takedowns who knows jujitsu. You know, and we haven't seen that yet. But he trains a lot of grappling, too. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's just got his black belt from Glover. From Glover, yes. Which is huge. Glover's good. And Glover says he's like very good on the ground.

1:00:13Glover, Glover, Glover. Oh, tough. People don't know how good Glover is. Because Glover could not fight in the US for six years because of visa issues. During his prime, like during his prime, Glover was stuck in Brazil. He couldn't come to America. Because everybody knew about Glover was the bogeyman. Like everybody talked about Glover. Glover was the guy that like out of all the elite guys that were in the UFC, Glover was the number one guy that everybody talked about. He was so good when he was younger. By the time he got to the UFC, he was already like 36 years old. He won the title. I think he was 41 or 42 when he won the light heavyweight title.

1:00:50And that like strains with him. So yeah. Yeah, it's a good combination. Oh, perfect, perfect, perfect combination. Yeah. I mean, this is a, it's an amazing, exciting time for the sport, you know, it really is. And it's good. There's a still a lot of countries, a lot of places that are against. So we still can open up more doors. What countries are against MMA? A lot of European countries. It's too like, it's starting to make its way. Like this guy is from France. Just now, last year, I think starting France and Spain. Well, France has some great guys too now though. You know, Cyril Gone and Cedric Dumbay, who fights for PFL, who's a elite kid boxer.

1:01:39It's, it's, and then you got, of course, you got those guys from Dagestan. That's an interesting element too. Those Russian wrestlers. I don't think this because of their wrestling. I think it's because of their discipline. And I tell a lot of people that those guys don't think about anything else. Yeah, trained discipline about. Very religious, very disciplined, very focused. Yeah, there's no, the girlfriend or wife, they're not thinking about any of that. No partying. There's no partying. That's all they do get up. Train, sleep, eat, train. So yeah, they don't think about anything else. They're just more, I think they're more disciplined than this side of the world.

1:02:27Yeah, I was watching this interview with Kabeib where he was talking, well, there's a conversation that he was having when someone who was talking about young people that it's so important that they maintain focus because a young guy who's really talented and is above and better than everybody else when he's 18, sometimes they'll slack off and then they come back to it when they're like 22. But then by then their average and everybody else has gotten much better and they lost that advantage and then never, they won't be special. But the guy who's 18, who's above and beyond everybody else in the gym, that guy if he can maintain that discipline and maintain that focus, then he can go on to become a champion.

1:03:06Yeah, I totally believe on that. It's the discipline. Yeah, it's not because they're better wrestlers or, nah, because they're better strikers, you find very good wrestlers everywhere in America. Top wrestlers in the world over here. Olympics. Yeah, see, but I think the discipline is what's missing a lot of people. They don't take Sunday off. Right, right, right. It's Sunday, we're gonna rest, none of them, none of those guys. What was training like for you during UFC one?

1:03:50Training... I never really party. So I understand because I'm on that philosophy. I would say good, I before, like a month, two months before the fights, a month before the fight when I was fighting in Japan, when I went to fight in Japan, a month before the fight, I would move out of the house. So don't have to deal with the kids, with the woman, nothing. So a month before. And a Hollywood come over and have a talk with me and my father and it's like, okay, there's no babysitting, there's no hanging out with the kids. Yup. None of that. Just Spartan training. Pretty much. Yeah, and I understand.

1:04:45I was like, okay, I'm a soldier. I mean, you tell me to do it, I'll do it. There's not, there's not a doubt. You see, they say, do it, done. So you cannot hang around with the kids and babysitting, the kids are little, they all grown out. But it's like, nope, okay. I can cut it off, not a problem. And what a discipline on that. Say good -bye to the family. You gotta go training, you gotta go spend a month away. And what was a day's training like? Did you do any strengthening conditioning back then? Or was it all just Giu -Jitsu training and position training and drills? It was a lot of in that order, you have to know what you're doing.

1:05:27That's how I learned from my family. You have to have endurance, then becomes power. Yes, I did a lot of the strengthening conditioning but a lot endurance, endurance was before this strengthening strength. So even till today, it's like, it's knowledge. If you don't know how to fight, you have no business in the cage. But then you know how to fight and you have a lot of power but you can't last more than two minutes. You're in trouble. So you have to know what you're doing. You have to have endurance to last, at least the first round, five minutes, then becomes power. And what kind of endurance training would you do?

1:06:05Do endurance, everything, from running, to swimming, to strength coach. And I one time got up and it's like, okay. The guy, he used to be the strength coach for, a strength coach for USC, for the Rams, when they were in LA. James, man, went for a 41 mile run. 41 miles? One day, seven, seven hours later, I told him stop. My calves are both cramped up, man. I can't take it. I can't step. That seems crazy. Yeah. So just not too long ago, a couple of years ago, a bunch of friends of mine from the Navy's youth, asked me, let's go swim across, let's go swim at a tempo, at a tempo bay. I was like, sure, let's do it.

1:06:58I figured out was across tempo bay. It's like three hours later. Three hours of swimming. I made it, but my god. It's like, I was like, for us, bite on my fingers. It was January, cold, very cold water. Brazilians are not made for the cold weather. It was not the distance. It was not, I can't make it. It was not carrying like, action of 40, 50 pounds of weight behind dragging behind us. No, it was the cold water that got to me. It was like, but I did it. Garoudea decide. Did you train for that? Or did you just do it? We swim about maybe a dozen times. I thought we were just going to go to the beach and just hang out, swim on the beach.

1:07:46Yeah, cold water, okay. Yeah, coming in, come out. No. Three hours. But at the time they said it's across tempo bay. I was like, no, I cannot back down. And I got to do it. So it went to a pool, swimming out. Nice warm pool, dozen times. Maybe a dozen times. Just to get ready for that. Yep. Oh, fuck. It was pretty much just on heart, man.

1:08:10We climb up cactus to clouds that's in Palm Springs. Strength coach is like, yeah, let's go for a hike, dude. It's like cactus for clouds. It's bad. We did it. We got up there. How long did that take? How they, all day left like three or four o 'clock in the morning. We started finished by four o 'clock in the afternoon, three or four o 'clock in the afternoon. Cactus to clouds, 21 miles. Yeah. Difficulty class, one, two, highly strenuous, 10 ,400 feet change of elevation. Jesus Christ. That's not. That's not. Yeah, I always did endurance stuff. So with fighting, if you don't have endurance, you don't have anything.

1:09:03Sakura ben I, we fought for our in 45. Was our in 45, yeah? Yeah. Those six rounds of 15 minutes, the two minute rest, I think it was two minute rest in between rounds. 15 minutes rest for two, 15. Crazy. Yeah. Is that the longest fight you had? Yes. Now in 45, that's the second longest fight in the history. What's the longest fight in history? My father. Oh, one hour. 340. Wow. 342 or something like this. Yeah. Fighting. But he was one round. Yeah, I was six rounds of 15 minutes. What was the longest fight in the UFC that was one round? I think then seven and I. Oh, wow. No, cash, I'm rocking.

1:09:48I won round of, it was 30 minutes on the UFC five. We did it one round of 30 minutes. What about other organisms? Remember when Merilla boosted Montet fought Tom Erickson? Tom Erickson, yes. That was another one that was crazy because Merilla was 185 and Tom Erickson was 300 pounds. He was fucking you. Very good wrestler. Powerful guy too. People forgot about Tom Erickson. He was a very good wrestler. He was a scary motherfucker. Big. They were called the big cat. Because he moves like a cat. But he was 300 pounds. That was the wrestlers were taking over and trying to fight against the showing the Brazilians that Jesus was nothing.

1:10:33So they had the heavy weights. It was Tom Erickson, Kerr, Coleman, Royce Alger too. He entered the UFC and ensued in any way. Arm barbed -up. Remember? Yep. Broke his arm. And all those guys went to Brazil to fight in Brazil. Kevin Randerman. Randerman, Mark Kerr. Yep. Yeah. Jack Lidell. They fought Fabigugell. Jack Lidell fought Pele. Yep. Everyone used to have the ring with the netting underneath the bottom roasts. People can't slip out. Yeah. Crazy. It's crazy when you think about it. How much the sport has changed and how many just, I mean, and what's amazing is you could watch all those matches too.

1:11:20Like back then, trying to watch a match was very hard to do. You had to find a tape. You know? Yeah, I remember people saying, yeah, it's mainly in Fatten America. We had to wait a week or two weeks until somebody bring the tape over. Mm -hmm. The VHS, they had to bring it. Not even sand. They had to somebody come over here, record it and then take it back to Brazil and make copies and pass it around to people. Well, it's also like people had to understand where the level was at too. Because if you didn't watch it, you didn't understand where the level was at. I remember there was a match between Hickson and Hegan.

1:12:00There's a Jiu -Jitsu match in Hickson and Hegan. And at the time, it was like the highest level Jiu -Jitsu Black Belt match we had ever seen. And we're watching Hickson and Hegan going after him like, oh my god. They're both studs. Stud. Hegan was not easy, man. He was so good. He was a stud. Oh my god. And watching those guys go at it in their prime. So you get to see that level. And you had to watch a tape if you were going to see that. Because we weren't in Brazil. So we'd have someone else to film it. If it get it over to us. Yeah. Crazy. How come Hickson never fought in the UFC? Was there ever a moment where you almost came over?

1:12:37I think because I was fighting there in the UFC, if not, it was tournament back then. So if both of us fought, we ended up facing Chad. Right. So I think he just, that's why he decides to go to Japan. But when you stopped fighting in the UFC, was ever a moment where they were trying to get Hickson to come over? I don't like the approach him. But he was already successful in Japan. He was a successful in Japan. Yeah. And they kept him busy over there. Yeah. So Hicks was beating up the heavy weights in Japan. Yeah, he was beating up everybody over there. That's the thing that unfortunately in America, people weren't aware of like Japan, Vallitudo and all the different.

1:13:20And then the original pride, you know, when he fought Takata and he fought all those guys over there. And for the first Vallitudo, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, fortunately, we have choke, the documentary. So people get a chance to see it from that. Hickson was a beast, man. Oh my god. Yeah. Well, that was the crazy thing when you were winning the UFC, you were telling everybody, hey, my brother's even better than me. And every time. 500 times. Not by a little bit. That's crazy. That's crazy. Why was he so much better? I don't think was just physique. He was able to move, put his weight, the way the position himself.

1:14:06So it's all position. Wasn't people say, well, because he was strong, who was more athletic. Nah, it wasn't. Because he didn't. I don't think he ever used strength against me. When we were training, he was not like, okay, I'm stronger than you. I'm going to just rely on strength. He was just body weight. Just the knowing position. Knowing. So he just had a special talent. Yeah. I'll say a special talent, yes. But that was so confusing for us. Because we would hear like, what? His brother's better than him. Like, how is this possible? Not by a little bit. About a lot.

1:14:48Crazy. But Hoya too. Yeah. And the Hoya was lighter weight than me. But you like you said, Hoya, sparring with Hoya, he's like a Grab your salmon. He's all over the place. He's like, ah, and he's little man. Well, he was the most successful internament, right? Yes. And he used to win the open weight divisions and fighting out the heavy weights and Hoya was a beast, man. What a family you have. I mean, what a family. All of them, bunch of studs. All of them. Everyone, hands off. Including the girls. Sure. Look at Kira. Yeah. No. Sure. Sure. We're going to keep looking. Even the ones that are not involved on teaching.

1:15:33Do they vicious?

1:15:38It's just so incredible that this one family produced so many champions. There's never been anything like it in all of combat sports. There's never been anything even remotely close. There's no even second place that you could bring up. Oh, there's a few times where two brothers were really good at fighting. But it's never been anything. Like you guys. But your brothers and cousins. Yeah, everybody. Uncles. Yeah, everybody. Yep. I mean, when you heard the name Racy, everybody's like, oh, shit. It's going to be a problem. Like I think it was Hensel that said once Hensel means another beast on the family said we are not a family.

1:16:16We have factory of fighters. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so many. Hien. Hensel. I mean, just so many. So many. It's just really incredible when you really stop and think about it. There are a lot of people that we all create that came to learn from us at one point. Yeah. It's extraordinary. It really is. When you watch Jiu Jitsu now, you know, do you do you watch Jiu Jitsu like no Gigi Jitsu? Do you watch these guys? Like when you see guys like Gordon Ryan. I'm not big intern, man. Gordon Ryan is awesome, man. That's his belt. That's his Abu Dhabi. We met up with a friend of ours. Derek.

1:17:09We met up with him with teaching him in Chicago. And he very respectful. Gordon Ryan came up. Like, man, can we do a little bit? It's like sure. Let's roll. It wasn't too long ago. Maybe a year ago, last year or go. And the guy is a beast, man. It's like, I know of him. Yeah. So he's very respectful. We're going very light and he's going easy on me. And I was like, okay, go ahead, catch me. He wouldn't. Really? And he turned around and I can feel him giving to me. It's like, no, you take me without talking. And I was like, there's no way I'm going to take. Because he wouldn't be a belief board.

1:17:49There's no way I can tap him. And I'm okay, and I give it to him back something. And he's like pretend he doesn't see it. And he's something back to the point that I start level. Really? I'm giving the arm and he's giving me the neck and I'm giving the triangle. He's giving me the, we're like both giving us a very respectful man. That's funny. We talk about discipline. That guy works out 365 days a year. There's no Christmas Christmas. Fuck you. Your birthday. Fuck you. Every day. They train every day. And I told him, people misunderstand what he's saying. He's challenging people. I said, that's good.

1:18:33Yeah. That's what my family did. You say you're good. I'm saying I'm good. This is only when we find out. And I told him, keep doing it. Because they'll push people. You see, yeah, that's a straightaway. We're going so live. He's going so easy on me. And I'm giving to him. Go ahead, catch me. And he's like put the hand in it. He doesn't catch me. I was like, really? And then he'll give me something. And I was like, okay, you take it. I was like, you take it. Nice and smooth. And so that's the thing that he's capable of rolling like. Because he's so fucking strong, but he doesn't use it. It's just all technique and movement and understanding.

1:19:14And obviously, he came from a Hanzo school. John Donahue, talking to him. And Donahue came from Hanzo. It's like it's all that same lineage. But there's a lot of good talent people over there. Out there right now. Oh my God. It's incredible. Like the level of just jujitsu now is so high. You know, Mikey Musumachi. And you know, there were Tolo Brothers and all these different guys out there. It's just so much. There's somebody level that trains with him. We go out and ride. I can't remember his name right now, man. But I heard the kid says, I'm going to catch you on the left arm. Any catch you on the left arm.

1:19:57It's like, fuck. I'm going to catch the right foot. And he catches you. And he tells you how long and timing is like, wow, that's impressive. Yeah. To be able to pull such a thing. It's not easy. No. Well, that's what guys do when they get past the level of everybody else. They just start challenging themselves by giving themselves one thing they're going to try to do. And I ask people around and people say, yep. Which guy is this? It's a training partner for Gwantunala. Jinn Kala? Who is it? Do you know which guy it is? I can't remember the name. Well, it's one of the guys that train with Gwantun Ryan, man.

1:20:38He's on that level. Well, there's a very high level guys now. I mean, it's just, it's so, but it's also Iron Charpent's Iron. You know, these guys are so good now and everybody's competing with guys that are so good. Like, you go to Abu Dhabi and you watch the level. It's just so amazing. They've been doing these little kids too. People on the beginning thought, well, the grace is good because they keep in secret. No, no, we just stick to it. We just start as a young age and we grow up on this. Well, this is the thing that Gordon always says. He says, my Jiu Jitsu is 10 years advanced of everybody.

1:21:14So I can show you everything I'm doing. It doesn't matter. You're not going to catch me because I'm in the gym. 365 days a year. Discipline. Discipline. What was that? Discipline. Where he eats and yep. It's John Donner here talks about Kaisen. Kaisen is this Japanese phrase for doing something over and over and over again. Just constantly focusing on this one thing and continuing to perfect it over and over and over and over again. That's what they do. And their thought is, if you work out five days a week, but I work out seven days a week in a month, I've worked out four times more than you.

1:21:54In a year, you'll add that times 52, 52 weeks. You keep going over and over and over again. After 10 years, I have extra years of training on you. And when you think about it that way, it's really the way to do it. If you want to really be the best of the best, and you know there's a guy like Gordon out there that is training 365 days a year, like you kind of have to. And we go back to Dagestan's. Mm -hmm. Same thing. That's how they do. There's no Sundays for them. Yeah. There's no, today's my birthday. Today's, it's a holiday now. There's no holidays for them. No. It's just discipline. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

1:22:34You gotta have discipline. That's what I tell everybody. You gotta have discipline. You can be the most talent person without discipline. You're not gonna stay on top forever. Yeah, you know, my Tyson said that. He said, discipline, without discipline, you're nothing. And he said, and discipline is doing things that you hate to do but doing them like you love it. Yeah. Yeah. I just love it to do it anyway. He said, hey, it is a lot. I mean, that's the thing about Jiu -Jitsu too. It's so fun. It's so much fun to do. Even when you're losing, it's fun. I love a challenge, man. Let's go for swim across number Bay.

1:23:10Okay, fine. That's run 41 miles. Climb. Climb cactus clouds. Okay. That's a big spitting challenge. You recently got into bow hunting. How did that start? How did you get into that? I know you met John Dudley. And I know you did John Dudley's podcast because I listened to you with John Dudley. And John Dudley taught me. So he's an amazing coach. Amazing archery. When I first met him, he came up to me. I was, I went to a shoot near the Black Rifle Coffee and the challenge, I didn't know what I was doing. He came up to me and was like, hey, come see me, I'll make your bowl. And I was like, what the fuck is this guy?

1:23:50Man, I don't know. He was like, who is this? I was like, I ask around, they're like, he's the hoist grays of bow hunting. Yeah, he's the fucking man. So I went spend some time with him, show me some stuff, made, build me a bowl, not like yours. Yours is how many pounds to pull? I have a 90 pound bow. 90 pound. I can't even carry that thing. What's not 90 pounds to pull? It's the pulling is 90 pounds. I can't even carry that bowl. Mine is like 60. 60's good enough, but if you could pull 90, it's better. Yeah. No, I don't have your belt. I have the. Well, the way I felt like, you know, people say that there's a like a controversy in the bow hunting community where they said, you don't need 90 pounds.

1:24:3770 pounds is all you ever need. And I'm like, okay, but 70 pounds for you is not 70 pounds for me. 70 pounds for me is easy. 90 pounds for me is not hard. So 90 pounds for you is almost impossible, but 90 pounds for me is pretty easy. Like, there's a video of me pulling my 95 pound bow back. I just fucking pull it back, because I lift a lot of weights. So if you lift a lot of weights and you have all this muscle, why not use it? Yep. I agree. That's a lot more power. I was shooting with the 95 pound bow. I was shooting a 520 green arrow at 301 feet per second. When that thing fucking hits man, that is going through everything.

1:25:17The amount of penetration you get with a bow like that is insane. And that kind of power, it's like, that's better. Because if you hit bone going in, you're going to go through the bone. It's going to go through everything. You're not going to worry about penetration. You're not going to worry about lethality. It's going to be very lethal. So you wouldn't use a 20 pound bow. I wish I had those muscles. It's like you're born 90 pounds. How would you start lifting weights? Let's go. Start lifting weights. I do a lot of rows, a lot of chin ups. But if you could do that and it's not hard, I always say pull the thing back that you could shoot.

1:25:51Like how shoot, I have an 80 pound bow that I practice with and I'll shoot that bow for three hours. I'll be out my yard for three hours, just shooting hundreds of arrows. Man, this is, I love, but it took forever. I love guns and you kind of weapons, swords, bows. You've got a tarantactical too, right? Yep. Yeah, that's great, right? And that plays great. He's awesome. He's awesome. Taren's amazing. Good teacher too. Oh, amazing teacher. He knows how to push you to, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's again, it's like learning from a real master, you know, and seeing like, when you see him shoot, you're like, Jesus Christ.

1:26:31Like he's like, fast, super accurate, perfect technique, you know? And you see that, you go, oh, that's what it looks like when it's done right. You know, but guiding to bow hunting, a bow in general, not too long ago. I'll say four or five years ago, I started to play with it. And then when did you think about hunting? Oh, I've been hunting for a while. I keep that quiet, yes. You keep that quiet because of Brazil? No, because Brazil has a very anti -hunting attitude. Yeah, based on just Brazil and saying a crazy family. Yeah. The crazy family. A lot of people hunt, don't like hunting. And they give me a hard time.

1:27:14And I'm like, you tell us how you want to play chat. Yeah. They post a picture of us. Somebody was eating some sushi and somebody post a picture in a Brazilian barbecue place. And they all post that post about eating. And I post a picture holding an elk. There's no guns, there's no blood. Everybody give me a hard time, man. Crazy hypocrites. And give me a hard time, I give them an hour. And then I came back and I was like, there's a bunch of hypocrites. You all eat meat, give me a hard time. So how? But then they started, oh, but you just killed for the fun? No, I did not. They meet at my house, they hide at my house, they hide at my house.

1:28:00In the leftovers, the cuts that we don't eat, the other animals went to eat. So I had to educate a lot of them on that. Yeah, that's the thing. Most people are just uneducated about it. And they have this stereotype view of hunting as being this cruel thing that people do for fun. I do it for the meat, because I want to eat. It's the best meat. If I'm not going to eat, I don't kill it. I'm not going to shoot a cat. Of course. I don't eat cats. Exactly. Yeah, people have asked me to do some hunts where they don't eat the meat. I'm like, sure. There's some, like, there's helicopter hog hunts they do.

1:28:40They fly around the helicopter, they shoot wild pigs out of helicopters. I'm like, you know, you have to do it. You can go back and get it. Well, you could. But I mean, how many of them are you going to get? Like one day they shot 250 of them. No, I'm not that man. You're not going to really butcher. And some of them, they donate to hunters for the hungry, which is a great organization that feeds a lot of homeless shelters and stuff. And they'll take that meat and bring it to a butcher shop and give it to hungry people. And it's very good meat. It's the best meat for you. But when you shoot out of a helicopter and shoot 250 pigs, you're not going to go and take those pigs.

1:29:17No, I have a firm of ours in Texas that take us out to have a Hizeli helicopter, Ryan Ashcraft. And we shoot, but then we go back down. We collect. We don't shoot like 250. OK, a couple. Four or five do you see? We go back and get the best ones. We cut it up and take the meat and wild boars delicious. Yeah, so good. And sometimes we even give out to churches and they take care of feed people. That's great. Yeah, that's great. But wild game meat, man, it is the best meat in the world. When I eat it, I just like, whoa, I feel so much bass. But the feeling of you went there. Yes. You got that meat.

1:30:01Yes. It's something that you brought home. You went in Gaujo. You went hunting. Yes. And hunting, I tell people all the time, it's not catching. I would say 70 % of the time, I come back home with nothing. So it's not every time that I go out, that I come back with something. No, it's very difficult. It's a, it's a, I would say for me, it's about 70 % of the time. And I come back home empty handed. Yeah. But it's like, okay, I was there for a whole day, piece of mine. There's no cell phones, there's nothing, there's nobody bothering me. It's difficult. So you're in the woods, you're hiking. Yeah.

1:30:42You need endurance. I mean, you need strong legs to get you around those mountains. I mean, the first time I ever went hunting, I got that mule deer with my friend Steve Renelli. He took me hunting in Montana. And I was in really good shape. And I was like, you know, I did your jits every day. I'll be fine walking up these hills. And I was like, whoo, I this is fucking hard. Like I didn't think of it as a physical thing, but mountain hunting is very physical. Like you have to be fit. You have to be in shape. It's, it, I just got back from bear hunting in Idaho and up and down the mountains. Yeah.

1:31:19Hot sun. Yep. Yeah, up and down the mountains. I know. That is rugged terrain too. Very rugged. Beautiful terrain too. Last year my first elk that I got with the bull shot the elk with the bull 30 yard shot. Got the elk loaded up, took it back to the house. We are taking the skin off and taking the skin and the hide and taking the meat. And I went to help the guys at 11 o 'clock at night. There's three of us. I went to help my friend to to cut because he never knives everywhere. So as soon as I start to lift their hide, put my finger, my handle on the wrong spot, the guy cut my finger to the bone.

1:32:12So it's like, okay, it's like, you know, I cut you. I was like, yep, and then I've touching the bone. Went to a, we went to a. So the, the other friends like, hey, do you have a hospital nearby? He's like, hospice two hours away. Got a veterinarian. But the veterinarian. So he's like, no, it's 11 o 'clock at night. Everybody's asleep, man. So he's like, do you have a super glue? He's like, no. He's like, you got a stapler? Oh, see his tape on it? His crazy finger. Oh my god. Put four staples on my fingers. I was like, oh, yeah. That's crazy. But it worked. It worked. Wow. Then I have laid it. I get home and my son decided to take the medicine.

1:33:18Take it off. I have to take the staples off. Look where he's using to take it off. A pair of pliers. From the garage, from the motorcycle, pick up the pliers. There was no, I can't believe I still have my finger, man. We didn't clean the. He just, he just, because of the pliers, it's not to pull the staples. And how, how long after the injury was this that he was doing this? A day and a half later. Oh, okay. So it kind of healed up a little bit. Cause those, when I got back to Florida, yeah. Yeah. It's like, how is it Montana? I got back to Florida. What are the minds? It's like, no, you're not going to the doctors.

1:33:49I can, I can take this off. Are you living in Florida? Yes. Where do you live? We're part of Florida. No kidding. When did you move there? I moved there about almost two years ago. What made you decide to do that? I can see myself getting arrested if I was in California. Really? Oh, California. People so, God, so, I love California. Don't take me wrong. I think California is the best state in the world. And I travel eight months of the year. I love California. But the people over there, man, they just get on your face. It's like this, like this. It's my right to be here. Okay. What are you going to do about it?

1:34:29It's like, dude, it's my right not your teeth out. Oh, my God. These violent, called the cops. I asked him. Like, people was like disrespectful. Got to a point. You got disrespectful. It got weird, right? It's, it's hard. And I love, don't take me wrong. I told, I can't say enough of how much I love California. It's the only place where you could be in the ocean and then in the mountains in an hour. And on the desert. Yeah. And the desert. You can surf, ski and spend the night in the desert. The same day. It's beautiful. And a lot of great people there too, but they've lost their fucking minds.

1:35:06But the people, they're, they're demons like in, in so, just to me, just disrespectful. Yeah. Distress respectful and they've sort of, they've been bold and a lot of really stupid people to act like idiots. Yeah. And, and just the whole, the way they're dealing with the homeless situation is fucking insane. You know, they've, they've, they've lost $24 billion that they can't account for. That was, is that, is that what the story is? There was some controversy about $24 billion missing that they were, that's allocated towards the homeless crisis. Yeah. So I just saw it in the, on the, on the trip and I called my son and I was like, dude, we got to get out of here.

1:35:51We got to get out. So all the kids are grown. So everybody's different location. Yeah. So how do you pick Florida? So here it is. California spent $24 billion tackling homelessness over five years, but didn't track if the money was helping the states growing number of unhoused people. So they spent $24 billion and they can't, they can't figure out what the fuck it did. God. It's ridiculous. And it's not, it's not getting better at all. It's getting worse. Every time I go back there, I'm like, oh, God, it's worse. And I go and we go back like once a year now. I go back once a year. I love it. I hope it gets better.

1:36:31I would love to move back. But it's not going to get better. Yeah. I haven't had it for a long time. It's going to take generations. I used to joke with people and say, I'm a front line of resistance. But yeah, he got to a point. It's like, man, yeah, it's too hard to control. Well, it's also crazy things are happening. Like a guy got arrested because someone broke into his house and he shot the guy and they arrested him. Like, okay, you can't even defend yourself in your own home. Like what is the fucking point? What's the point of the Second Amendment? What's the point of having a firearm? Isn't it to protect your family?

1:37:06Are we supposed to assume that someone was willing to break into your home violently that that person is not going to harm you? You got to call the police. How long is the police going to take to get there? What if you have a family? What if you have children? What if you have a wife? You're supposed to just let this person break into your house? You can't do anything about it. It's insane because they're hiring the most insane district attorneys and they're making it easier and easier for people to get out of jail who've committed violent crimes. I mean, they've lost their fucking minds. And I don't know how it comes back.

1:37:37Other than they have to get some hardcore Republican governor who starts cleaning things up and just cuts back on all the waste and cuts back on all the bullshit and just puts their foot down. It's going to take a long time. How about I have hope? But I have hope. Well, that's beautiful. I kind of have hope. I got plenty of time. I'm not going anywhere. I hope that you're right. But I don't have that much hope. I just see that they're indoctrinated into this liberal ideology and they just believe that this is the only way to think and behave. And until it bites them in the ass, I've met a lot of people there that I knew that were really hardcore liberals who have now completely turned around and now they're Republican and now they've moved out and they moved to Tennessee.

1:38:23They moved to Florida. They moved to Texas and like, no, no, no, I see where this is going. But then it's like, sometimes I keep thinking, what's the end game? What's the goal for the people that are doing this? Well, the real question is, who's funding it? More power? It's not even necessarily more power. I mean, the real money, you see, it's like, what's the end? What's the goal? It's very confusing. But I think generally there are people, genuinely, there are people that are funding this that want to see Western society collapse. Like my daughter was going to school in the reverse of Vermont, beautiful for her there, but she really had it.

1:39:05She's moving to Tampa now. She's like, be closer to us. It's like, so people doing all these protests against American army, against, it's like, she's like, we have a son, one of my sons is in the army. And she's like, no, so she put an army shirt, so that shirt and walk right through the protest. And like the girls who can move and give her the looks and she'll just look at them and people will go, yeah, silence is violence. She'll flip them the finger. It's like, how about that for violence? Silence is violence is one of the dumbest fucking things. Silence is violence. Violence is violence. If you say silence is violence, you've never seen violence.

1:39:56Yeah. The less someone's being quiet while they're beating the fuck out of you.

1:40:04Silence is violence. It's not violence. Violence is violence. You fucking idiots. It's like my God. So she had her over there. She spent one year and she's like, man, I can't put up with this anymore. The teacher was talking trash about, she's like, I didn't pay to hear the teacher. And the political beliefs. So she should get up and leave class and say, yeah, she's like, I had it. She's done, I'm moving. I was like, let's go. It happens everywhere. I mean, it even happens here. You know, there's just certain teachers that just feel that they have this ability to enforce their political beliefs on kids.

1:40:42And they'll be very angry. You once again, I kicked out of school here because he had to make America great again hat on. Like with just whether or not you support Donald Trump, the sentiment behind making America great, that should be, everybody should be on the board with that. The idea that making America great in a hat is offensive to people. It's like, what? How? Help me out. It's not, you know, you're not saying anything bad. You're saying make America great. Wouldn't it be awesome if America was great? Who disagrees with that? How could you disagree with that? Great means everybody does well.

1:41:18Your family does well. The streets are clean. Everyone's safe. There's less crime, less violence, more jobs. That's great. Why would you be against that? How could you be against that? And how could you think that that sentiment is offensive? That's what's so twisted about the world that we're living in today. And that's why sometimes I keep thinking again. What's the end game? What is in for whoever is behind all this? More money, more power, more than what they have already. It's like to destroy society for what? What's the purpose? I don't know. That's why I keep thinking. It's like, I wish I knew.

1:41:56I wish it made sense. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it's a lot of it is influenced by foreign governments. I think foreign governments influence universities by supporting people with very ridiculous ideologies and then making sure that those people with ridiculous ideologies enforce those things in children. And then you have social media, which social media is also propped up, especially TikTok, which is essentially owned by China. And they promote all these ridiculous things and these things get into kids' heads. And they're on TikTok every day. And then they start thinking that this is the only way to think in behave.

1:42:32But do I... Sometimes I get frustrated because it's like the way I think in the business of martial art business. If your school have a hundred students or a thousand students, this doesn't make a difference to me. I prefer that you succeed and have a thousand students. Yeah. Well, it'd be the goal for me to make you have no students. You see? It's like, I want you to go. Because if you grow, I grow. But then on the world society, and people trying to destroy one country, trying to destroy the other for what? But you're thinking logically. Power to have more power to have. It's also people are trapped in an ideology.

1:43:24They're trapped in this woke mindset. You can call it woke, whatever you want to call it. But this ideology of what we're seeing with these young, ridiculous kids and universities today. It's like they're trapped in this way of thinking. And they don't think about the end game. First of all, because they're very young and they don't know anything. And they want to rebel against society, which all young people want to do. They want to rebel against people that are older. And they want to think that they know better than the people that are older. And then eventually they get older. And as they get older, they start to realize, you know what I think the problem is?

1:43:56People are fucking lazy. You know, I think the problem is people don't have discipline. You know, I think the problem is people don't plan for the future, people don't work hard. They don't like everybody should have the opportunity to work hard and get better and move ahead and try to try to better your life and better the life of your family. And if you think that way, you're going to have a good society. But if you think that society is evil, it's all colonists and that we got to destroy it and take it all down. A capitalism is evil. Okay. What are you going to replace it with? They didn't even thought this thing through.

1:44:29What are you going to replace it with? Communism? You've been in a communist country. It's fucking hell. And you know what happens in a communist country? You have to enforce it. How do you enforce it with a military? And if nobody's armed but the military, now you have a dictatorship. Now you have a brutal military dictatorship that decides what you can and can't do. That's what Cuba has. Decides for you. Yeah. That's what you have to say. No say. No say. That's what China has. That's what North Korea has. Like good luck. Good luck with that. There's plenty of examples of that. None of them are good.

1:44:57There's no examples of communism working anywhere where it's for the betterment of everybody. One thing that that came into America from Brazil, it was a lot like in Brazil, they put you down a lot. I remember when I won the UC. Yeah. There's a thousand guys that will do better than him. This is not a thing. Really? Every battle is like, it's not a lot of people are like, yeah, his accomplishment is not that big of a deal. Different than America, they push you up. Yeah. You see, they changed their mentality now in Brazil. Oh really? But back then used to be like this. That's interesting. The mentality changed.

1:45:41Why did the mentality change in Brazil? I don't know, but the change. I can see that now. People tried to push you up now instead. But back then, when I won, it was like, nah, it's no big deal. These guys will do much better than him. They came over and they got beat up over here badly in the UC. But that's one thing that attract America culture was like, they're trying to always push you up. It seems like that change now. They're trying to push you down now. In some places, in some circles. Yeah. There's still quite a few people in America that still believe that. Oh yeah. I think that's more prevalent here than anywhere else in the world.

1:46:22The attitude that we want people to succeed and celebrate success. But then this whole thing what's going on right now, it's almost like they want to crash. It's like, why? It's usually losers. Losers who don't have anything going on and they want other people to be losers as well. They don't want people to succeed. And also they connect success with the worst examples of success. Like they connect the idea of financial success with people being oppressed. Obviously, people being oppressed is terrible. But all financial success is not oppression. That's ridiculous. Like if you have a school, like for example, if you have a jujitsu gym, if you have a jujitsu academy and you have a thousand students, there's nothing oppressive about that success.

1:47:09That's all beneficial. Beneficial to your students. It's beneficial because if you have a thousand people, then you have a place that's run well and you have staff. You have staff. You have people that are employed there. And also you have plenty of classes. So I can get a class of 6 .30 in the morning before I go to work. 6 .30 AM class, I'm done by eight. I shower up. I'm in the office at nine. I feel good. I got something done today and I'm getting better at jujitsu. This is amazing. And then you have classes all day long and everybody's getting better and the level is high because there's guys that are good and the gyms you get excited and you're thinking about your game, you think about constantly improving.

1:47:49That's not impressive. There's nothing oppressive. And the person that runs that gym, they're making good living and they feed their family and they have a nice house. There's nothing oppressive. Yes, there's nothing oppressive about that success. We're not talking about the success of like the military industrial complex or like you know, the oil company's polluting the ocean. No, you're talking about there's a lot of people that work hard and their success is not even remotely oppressive. So when people connect all capitalism to degradation of the environment and controlling of people and oppressing people, that's ridiculous.

1:48:24That's just a full hearty way of looking at the world. Yeah, it's a, like I said, if your school have no students or a thousand students, I don't make any more money. Right. So but I want you to have a thousand students. It's like, because if you have a thousand students, if I come to teach, if you're having students, I'm not going to come over. Exactly. So but I want you to succeed. Yeah. So I want to fill up your school. Are you primarily doing, do you do like seminars now? Do you lot of seminars? Seminars by building a school in Sarasora. Oh, nice. Yeah. Nice. I haven't had a school. I used to teach with Horton until 2000.

1:49:08Then I stopped teaching at their school at their academy and the Gracie Academy and just went to do seminars. But now I'm building a school for my son and I. Oh, wow. That's great. I love to travel, to see the world. But I'm going to build a building, a place, a location already, just waiting for permits. Oh, that's great. Be my first headquarters. That's great. That's going to be awesome. Boy, that's going to be successful. And the location is awesome. Boy, a hoist, Gracie school and for the booth. That's going to be big. Right away. I bet first day you'll be full. Yep. We got a lot of students already just on the stand by waiting for us.

1:49:50How long do you think for your open? About good eight months. Nice. We're just waiting for the final permits. And they start building. We're going to tear down the building and then build up. The build up is fast. It just permits takes forever in Florida. Takes forever a lot of places. And how big is this place going to be? Big enough. Big enough. Very big, yes. We're talking three floors. Oh, wow. So is it going to be different things in there? Like, yeah. What is the plan? Do you want to give the full details? Not yet. Not yet. Well, you let me know. Yeah. Let me know when you're about to open.

1:50:29We'll let everybody know the location is awesome. That's great. Five minutes from the beach. Oh, that's beautiful. That's exciting. That's very exciting. That must be really exciting. And look forward to something like that. Five minutes from the beach, too. Beach and Florida. I'm letting my son. I'm letting my son. Yeah. No. Sharks on the east coast, right? Oh, are they? I'm on the west coast. There's no sharks in the west coast. I'm on the Gulf. Are there sharks in the Gulf, too? Sharks don't like Brazilians, man. No. Maybe they're sharks for you. But Brazilians, that they look at Brazilians.

1:51:04They're like Italians. They're like Italians. They don't like Brazilians. That's hilarious. I don't think they can tell a different street on this, buddy. And they look at me like, hold on. There's too many bones on this one. And I'll choke on this one. Let me get that meaty one over there with all the muscles. Look at that. Oh, that's a fucking shark. That's a risotto. Jesus Christ, hoist. That's a shark in Sarasota. That's a shark. That's a bat. Oh, boy. You can't do it on the boat, man. You can't feed those fucking head. We can't feed those. We can't feed those, man. Jesus Christ. We're swimming with those across the upper bed.

1:51:36What is that thing doing? Just pulling up to someone's boat? Oh, my God. Saying hi. That's those are pets. We have sharks. Do you surf? No, not as much. Not like white. No. White or surf? Is he in San Diego, still? White or in San Diego, yes. Yeah, a lot of surfs down there. He surfs a lot. He goes to Bali every year. He spends a month. Tissarks down there, bro. Yeah. There's a lot of sharks down there. We're San Diego. Yeah. There's sharks everywhere. Man, he's like, eh. There was a group of people that were training for a triathlon. And they were in the ocean doing a swim. And one of them got killed by a great white.

1:52:11And my friend went swimming there the next day. Because he had to prepare for the swim that he was doing. The shark was like, I need a stomach full, so. I don't know if we get full that easy. And then they keep eating. I would. You know, probably told his friends. I got a swimmer the other day. Well, a swimmer's over there. Is all the swimmers over there. That's gay as a shit out of me. Sharks scare the shit out of me. Woof. That's what the, like bears to me are not as scary as sharks. If there's bears, you got a gun. You got bear spray. You know what you're doing. You're careful. I think you're probably, you know.

1:52:49Hey, the bear is hunting you too. That's true. You could, you could, well, it depends on what kind of bear too, right? If you run into a hole there. And they move so quiet, man. I know for such a better one. 200 pounds, 250 pounds. Yeah. You don't hear them coming right behind you. When you were a bear hunting, were you using bow or rifle? This one was, was rifle. I haven't done a bear bow hunting yet. Because that's a very close shot, man. Yeah. My as far as I can go is like 30, 35 is pushing for me. Yeah. So I'm not as proficient on the bow yet. So, yeah. Do you have a range in your yard where you can practice?

1:53:30No, I don't. Do you have a yard? It's big. How big is your yard? It's not that big. How far? The pool got a pool. Like how much distance do you have that you could shoot in your yard? 10. Oh, 10 yards. 10 yard, 20. It says Florida, where I am, the yard's open. I see. So the next door, no big like, yeah. Hey, don't point that bull to it. Yeah. It's even the Florida. Yeah. Is there an archery range near you? No. No, that's one. Yeah. So where do you go to practice? When I go, man. Oh, only when you hunt? Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, that's why you're gonna shoot 30 yards. Oh, I'll get there and I'll practice shooting for like two days, a day, two days, and practice.

1:54:16Oh, man. Let's go. I jump first and I figured out later. That would freak me out because I have to practice. When I go hunting, like say like if I'm like five weeks out, I'm shooting hundreds of arrows every day for five weeks. I want to make sure because I've shot like the water. It's kind of like the swim. I swim about maybe 10 times and then swim across the upper bay. I want to feel confident. Like if I have a 75 yard shot on an elk, I want to be confident. That I can make that shot. 75. Yeah, I've shot an elk at 75 yards. I've shot an elk at 80 yards. We saw some elk last year about 89 yards, but I was like, nah.

1:55:02It's, you have to. You have to. You have to. You have to. If they're not moving, if you know they're feeding and they're not moving and there's no wind and you know you practice at 100 and you know you can make it, but you have to be like, you know what it's like? It's like when I'm like a high level purple belt, brown belt in bow hunting. I'm not a black belt. I'm a white belt. Yeah. Yeah. Thirty yards is good. I got white belt. Why belt with one stripe? I found a spot. Sarasota Archer. Look at this. You can go too. Look at how good it is, but you can send me that address. You have a club requiring membership.

1:55:36Hey, Sarasota Archer. Why don't you let in the goat. Always grace. You need to place to practice. That's nice. Yeah, I'm sure they'll let you. That'd be great. There you go. Now we got your spot. Now you just go there. You only need a few hours a day. You just need that muscle memory. You need that feel. That feel of the relaxed shoulder. Just no anticipation of the shot pull through to me. So I have to get that ingrained in my head. The technique has to just be over and over and over again. Where it's ingrained in my head so that when I'm drawing on an animal, it's just I know exactly what to do.

1:56:17There's no questions. Sometimes it's almost like shooting. I shoot quite a bit. Sometimes I've done some competition. And I see the guys starting and looking at the target and shooting is ready and they're concentrating the target. When they say shoot is ready, I look away. So set, go. I look up and shoot it. Just pick it up and find it. But don't you think that because you fought so many times and because of all your years of Jiu Jitsu and things like shooting and things that involve technique and concentration, they come naturally. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. I think so. I'm very patient.

1:57:05I know how to control my breathing. Don't get excited. You see, like when I draw for the elk, it was a cow. I draw. It was less day of hunt, really. For four days hunting that elk. I draw on the cow. I both showed up. So I just turned fire on the boom. But I was going to shoot a cow. I was like, I got to take some meat home. Before the days chasing, nothing came close. And that cow came close to 30 yards. And the cow got in front of me. I draw in the bokeh. Move it just turned. Just perfect shot. Bam. Done. What kind of broadheads are you using? Oh, that was the local guy at the farm and what I was giving the broadheads.

1:58:00Mechanical or the fixed product? No mechanical. Was it a rage? It was the blade. Probably a rage. Yeah, like those. John Dudley has his own broadhead now. He made like a better version of a rage. Like a more durable, sharper version of a rage. G5 is making it. It's called the T2. It's a new mechanical that he designed. The John designed. They're just starting to release now. I think they just started to sell them. But he sent me some prototypes. I like it a lot. It's a great product. The guy that formed the word I was, he supplied. That was last year. So where was that? Montana. Oh, nice. Yeah, great, great falls.

1:58:45Yes. A lot of elk in Montana. Montana. So beautiful. And deer and got everything. Isn't it just so amazing being out there too in the wild? It's so peaceful. Even if I don't hunt further and catch, I tell the guys when they take me out, sometimes I feel the under pressure catching. Sometimes I'm like, dude, if I don't catch anything, I'm happy just being here. Just a pursuit. And knowing that sometimes you're going to go home empty handed. It's difficult. It's a very difficult thing to do. That's what makes it good. Like I said, 70 % of the time, I come home with nothing. Yeah. But that's part of why it's fun because it's hard to do.

1:59:25And some people don't understand that. But they just want results. But then when I eat, it's like, I got this. Yeah. I cooked some elk the other night. And as I was cooking it, I was thinking, yeah, I remember where I was. I remember where it was. 52 yards. Shot down into a canyon. Perfect shot. I watched the elk go 30 yards, pile up. I watched it die. I went up, quartered it, carried it out. We carried it over the mountain. Got it into a four by four. Drove it back to the lodge. Took it apart. I remember everything about it. So like being there, I have photos. I have photos of the impact shot.

2:00:05I have photos of the animal. You know, it's like in my mind. This meal has a history. And I taught all my kids. I didn't teach them. I taught them out. And the local guys who teach them how to hunt. From a young age. All of them. That's great. How to skin the deer. Yeah. How to stab a hog with a knife. Oh, jeez. That's heavy. The stab in the hog is wild. That's good. The hog hunting with dogs. Dogs and a knife. Yeah. The first time I took my daughter, I asked her. She was maybe 13, 12, 13. I asked her, hey, do you want to go? She's like, no, no, no, no. I'm going to stay on the HIV. Okay. So I'm over there.

2:00:46I'm stabbing the hog. And when I back off, I said, look, and she had her knife open behind me. She was waiting there. And I was like, oh, you decide to come. She was like, nah. In case the hog got you dead. I would have jumped on him and stabbed him for you. I was like, okay, you didn't want to do it, but you were backing me up. You're my backup. Nice. Nice. That's nice. Well, my boys all did it from a young age. Everybody started to open up. It's a good thing to learn. And it's also a start to shoot and... The best meat that you could ever eat. The best meat, the best meat in terms of the healthiness of it, how good it tastes.

2:01:25It's so good for you. In shooting, teaching them from a young age, they all respect the gun. They all respect the weapon. Yeah. I think everybody should know how to shoot gun. The worst case scenario, you should always know how to defend yourself. You should always know how to operate a gun. At least you should know gun safety. You should understand. Yes. What the gun can do. So they all respect that. They all know how to check and not to point. And for a young age, they all learn that at home. That's beautiful. It's very important. There's a lot of people that are scared of guns. And that's just because of ignorance.

2:02:04They just don't understand. Yeah.

2:02:10I love my guns. What are the laws in Brazil are very different, right? You can't just... You cannot buy guns very hard. I think the max you can get is a 380 caliber. So a hunting rifle? No, no. No hunting rifles. Well, 380s. 380s, the handgun. Oh. Oh, okay. The 380s. Oh, very small. Very small. Small than a 9mm. A 9mm of mirrored is considered to be a military weapon. Really? Wow. So you can buy 9mm, 45, nothing above that. Wow. Shotgun, if you own a farm, yes. But no hunting rifles. No, none of that. No 2, 2, 3s and ARs and... That sucks. Nope. It's very hard, man. Very hard. It's almost impossible to buy it.

2:03:03But all the bad guys have it. Yeah. Great. Unbelievable. Terrible. RPGs. Yeah. Grenades and... Jesus Christ. Yeah. But you cannot buy guns in Brazil. Very hard. And take a long time in the price. It's like... Wow. $500 gun over here in America. Over there will cost 2000. Wow. So when you come to America and you have this ability to just buy guns, because the second amendment is pretty nice. Very nice. Yeah. Especially if you're in a place like Florida that really supports the second amendment. Yeah, not in California. California's nuts. Well, in California they're starting to hand out concealed carry permits to people in Los Angeles again, because the crime is so bad.

2:03:50And they realize like... But you can come... But if you have... If you shoot somebody... You're gonna go to jail. Yeah. Even though you're inside your house... I know. And they walk in and they have guns. You shoot them. It's your fault. What's crazy is if you shoot them, you'll go to jail. But if they break into your house and they rob you and beat you up, they'll get right out. If they get arrested, they'll put them right back out on the street. It's insane. It's almost like it's designed to destroy society. Like if you wanted to destroy a society, that's how you would do it. Yeah. It's pretty fucked up.

2:04:23And if I keep telling people if America falls, I think the whole world will fall. The rest of the world will fall. Yeah. Maybe that's the plan. It's where would you go? Right. There's no place that has this kind of freedom. Leave America. Where would you go? It's tough to pick a place. I used to think Australia. Then I saw how they handled the pandemic. I was like, oh, fuck that. That's what happens when no one has guns. Yep. The army just rolls in and tells you what to do and put you in concentration camps because you have a cold. It's crazy. Where would you go? It's like, that's the question I ask my kids and let them think for a little bit.

2:05:04And it's where in America you're going to go. Because outside, man, it's tough. Yeah. It's a tough world out there. Yeah. Well, a person like yourself that's been everywhere, you really kind of do understand that this is a special place. We're very fortunate to be here. In a second. That's why I defended them. Pro -police. Me too. Me too. Me too. The army. Yep. Well, it's also from Jiu -Jitsu. We know a lot of police officers. We know a lot of army people. We know a lot of military people because they're always training. Yes. And traveling the way I travel, I'm not home to defend my family. So who is going to defend them?

2:05:53Right. It's the police. Right. I mean, favor of them. Yes. Well, I try to help them out as much as I can. Yeah. Who is going to defend? And it's going to be the police, the army, they're going to defend if some crazy country decide to invade us. So I'm going to be the average Jordan next to next door. They're going to come over and... No. You got to be Joe Rogan. You got to get his bow and be rumble out there.

2:06:24Shooting bows at nine yards, 100 yards. Yeah. I hope you like. I'll wait until they get a little closer. Well, maybe that's the Arches Club. You practice your long range shots. Yeah, too far. I'll wait a little bit. Well listen, hoist, you're a legend and it was a great running into you at the UFC. I'm so glad we got a chance to talk to each other because I've been wanting to make contact with you, get you on the podcast for a long time. I'm glad we finally did it, man. And I appreciate you very much. And when the school opens up and Florida, they've got to come over. Fuck yeah. I'll come. I'll come.

2:07:00Choke me out. Once. Once. Sounds good. Thank you brother. Appreciate you very much. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody.