JRE MMA Show #157 with Craig Jones

23:30Like, that's my whole strategy is I'll take on guys in the UFC, because I know that drug tests that I'm not. And I'll be like, and they're famous. It's like a perfect matchup. But we want to do that because we want to steal their fans. And we're also changing. And it's very fucking expensive, actually. Every judge who events basically on an elevated stage or just on mats. And we have this problem where there's all these weird resets, like guys might fall off the stage. Yeah. The crash into the table. That's crazy. So inspired by karate combat, we're going to do a rectangular mat space with that angled wall.

24:02Because there's no, there's no way to run. And we're going to call this rectangular mat space the alley. You basically only had to back alley to fight or fuck sometimes. But isn't the angled wall a bit of a problem? Like I saw your match with Phil bro. Yeah. And the angled wall, like all of a sudden he's fucked, because you're just going to go down. Like it's not like a wall, like a wall. I don't like the cage in MMA. I've said multiple times. I really think they should be fighting in a basketball court. Just make it all matted up, have a long red line. We're going to bring it back. 30 by 40. It's going to be massive.

24:33That is big. So we heard the possible call up, but we threw some angles on the end. Well, punishes them. We want to punish guys for backing up. OK. So like again, like you said with the cage, they back up, but they remain vertical. And guys are so like you can use that angle to not get taken down. But if you back up, if you're running away, we want it to be detrimental to you while not having any referee interruption. So if I'm like you said, I see on the first round 10, 8, I'm coasting, I'm backing up. That guy can chase me. There's nowhere I can go. And if I back up, it's detrimental to me. I want to ask you a specific question about the Philip Rho fight because he posted his arm down to like against the angle.

25:11And I was like, well, you're kind of fucked if you're doing that. And then you threw up the triangle and you trapped him. But like, did you train for that? Like, so this is this, this is the setup. And this is in karate combat, which is by the way, in Austin this Thursday, I'm going to go down and check that out. Oh, that's a good choice. So like this, like when he posted his arm down, I'm like, oh, no, that's what I want to see. He's the funny thing about it is, Asa and the promoter said to me, he goes, bro, we've got to sell the angled wall for grappling. He's like, can you try to submit him off the wall?

25:39And I was like, fuck, yeah, I'll do that. But I was like, I was like, I've got no plans of that. They asked you to do it. Oh, they said, they said that'd be cool if you could do it. And then afterwards, he's like, did you plan that? I was like, yeah, sure. But I mean, anytime someone posts a hand on the ground, and we have an overhook, and we can put weight on that hand, they can't lift it off the ground, so we can shoot a triangle pretty easy. So as soon as I saw him, I've got an overhook here. We'll get the Russian tire. As soon as I see him put that right hand on the floor, I was like, we can do something flying.

26:07And I saw it because of the angle, you can be a bit more brave. You know, like it's not as sharp a fall. Right. Like I'm 32. I probably shouldn't be doing flying shit, but you throw an angle in there. I'll give it a crack. Well, especially with everything padded up like that on the walls. Well, man, me and Phil were laughing before this match, like we would, I had a couple beers before this. I thought we're just gonna have a good time. We've got a couple beers before the match. Yeah, Phil said he was gonna drink a tequila shot to sell the match, but then I saw him put water in his cup. I was like, I've been misled here.

26:35And then we went out there and he's, I didn't even know the time of the match. There was eight minutes. And the guys, I got 12 minute match on my, oh fuck. And then he's coach started cornering serious. I was like, what have I got myself into? Anyway, so I was like, better give it a crack. I thought we were gonna have fun, play around a bit, but he was ready to go. You really had a couple beers? Yeah, I do, do sometimes, you know? Do you really? Take the edge off, yeah. Does it fuck with your performance at all? I don't, you know what? I never know what helps my performance or makes it worse. You know, I never have like, taking the edge off might help.

27:05I think so because I do a long training camp. Sometimes I'm like, I think in every day, I put in pressure on myself, but like, I finished that match. And because I hit a flying thing, we just got hammered that now. I was celebrating. And then the next day I was like, I have to face Lovato next week. I thought, what have I done? But I, so it's like sometimes, I guess the John Jones approach, you know? Having some fun the week before takes the edge off. Relaxes me. Ilya Tuporio does that too. He gets drunk on Thursday night when he weighs in on Friday. That's why I don't like what he did to my man, but I respect the drinking of the wine for sure.

27:35Yeah, that fight, I wanted to talk to you about that too. I wanted to talk to you about just the Volkanovsky fight in training him in general. Like, did you try, did you try in any way to discourage him from taking the market chef fight on 10 days notice? Now, I mean, I'm not involved in that process at all. You know, like, I got the code that was happening. Like, he called me, I mean, I was jet -like to the time. I just got into Austin for a day and I get a call at 4M from Volks. He's like, I think I have a macadrept booked in two weeks. And I was like, fuck it. Tell me I'll just booked the next fly.

28:08I just got on the plane down there. So I'm not involved in the matchmaking decision process at all. Will you apprehensive about him taking that fight on such short notice? I mean, I wouldn't say apprehensive. I like believing him fully. I knew it would be a very difficult challenge. I didn't know what sort of shape he was into the time I didn't see him for a while, but like, I believe in him that he can do it. And it's like, I'm going to just do everything I can to get him ready for that moment. And yeah, I mean, it is the risk of the game, you know, especially to take a short notice fight like that.

28:39He had been training at all. I honestly don't know. I don't think he, like he wasn't in the same shape he was for the previous macadrept fight. The previous macadrept fight, I was down in Wollongong with his team freestyle for like six to eight weeks helping him prepare for that one. But I mean, this one, yeah, such a short notice. Well, that made it such a huge difference that the six to eight weeks, just the fact that he was able to survive on the ground the way he was. And not just that, but just, not just survived, but be completely safe. He was never even close to being threatened with a submission, you know, and the fact that he was like laughing and off and punching him from behind.

29:16And it's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I can't take too much credit for that. The guy just is an animal. Yeah, he's just a monster. So hard to hold down even for me to hold down. I don't get it. I'm like, fuck, you 145. This shouldn't be the case, you know. Rugby. Yes, and rugby energy, huh? Well, also, he used to weigh 214 pounds and you still got those fucking tendons from being a big gorilla. That's true. Yeah, the rugby days. That's crazy. I mean, I trained, when I trained it to Jim, one of the rugby players come in, actually, and I was just fucking around rolling with him and he put me in a chin strap and I was stuck.

29:43I was like, fuck, thank God these guys make real money in other sports. I have to do this shit. Yeah, that's a hard fucking sport, man. It's a hard sport that Americans don't necessarily appreciate. They don't understand. Like, those are guys that could compete in the NFL. They said they're playing rugby because they live in a different country. But it's, when Volkanovsky fought the first time, and he was perfectly prepared, it was an amazing fight. I thought he won. I thought it was very close, but I thought he won. I gave, I think round two was the difference and I could see round two going either way, but I gave it to Volk.

30:18But I was like, when they announced it, the rematch, part of me was like, ooh, that's great fight. But the other part of me was like, eee, this is the number one, in my opinion, this is the fight for number one pound for a pound, right? I believe Volk won the first fight, although very close. It's, I don't think it's a robbery, but it's very close. And I think that puts him as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world. And then he loses the fight to Islam. He gets caught with that head kick and then he gets knocked out by Toporia. Now he's not even in the conversation anymore. So this is a short amount of time, you know, and then everything kind of falls apart.

30:55And I think it wouldn't have fallen apart if not for the rematch. It wasn't for the rematch. If he just waited for Toporia, I think, I gotta think that head kick has a factor. I mean, to get brained like that with a shin to the dome, which is the worst way to get knocked out, you know, it's so much power in legs. I mean, your legs are, you carry your legs or carry your body around all day. I don't think people that have never been kicked understand how much more power is in a leg. Yeah, I would not. You get head kicked like that, and then you fight a guy who's obviously the most dangerous boxer in the division in the next fight and get KO'd.

31:34I mean, yeah, it's crazy. I don't know the, I've had a couple of concussions from grappling like accidents, but I don't. Yeah, it's clashes. Or is that one asshole, you know, I'm going crazy, but I don't know really the effects of that. It's so hard to judge like it's like, I don't know what testing they can do, but it's like, they can't do much unfortunately. They do, there are some tests, but the reality is, every time you get knocked out, it's easier for that person. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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33:10Distilled, aged, and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent, and perfectly untamed. I'm just gonna get knocked out again. And psychology, I think, for the opponents, like for me, coaching valks, like there were matches where like even, well the fights, when like say, well, take at him in the sub, and it's like when he keeps doing these impossible things, you believe in the myth of your guy more and more. Right, how the fighters do, too, they go, oh, we couldn't submit him, look how deep we're taking them. Well, it's his heart, his heart is just unstoppable.

33:47But I think when a guy gets clipped like that, everyone else goes, they suddenly have a bit more self -belief. So I think, it's like two factors. Yeah, I think you're probably right. But I think Toporia thought he was gonna do that to him anyway. But I was just loved to have seen him fully recover. From that, like when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez, Freddie Roach wouldn't let him do anything for a year. He's like, you're gonna take one year off. He's like, this is the only way you have to, and Freddie Roach who has trauma -induced Parkinson's from his boxing career. He's well aware of the impact of brain damage.

34:21And it's so tricky, because I'm just such a huge valk fan. They're just like, I wish I had his ear. I don't know if you would have listened to me, but if I had his ear. I think that's what makes those guys special, though, they're like, it's the self -belief. 100%. That's what makes you a champion. You cannot become a valkanowski without this unstoppable belief in yourself. Me and him are the complete opposite. If someone was like, bro, you're probably gonna lose. I'm like, yeah, you make a good point. I'm like, how much are they paying me? We're a complete opposite. He takes everything super serious, sporting everything.

34:52I don't know how we've blended together. I'm able to coach him somehow. Well, you're very technical. I mean, the thing about your joking around and being silly about it all is like, you are, but your technique is very, very good. Obviously, you are obviously, or one of the elite guys in the world when it comes to technique. So it's not, you are serious. Yeah, I mean personality type, you know? Yeah. But I guess we have the Australian bond. He has faith in me. More faith in me than the guy that gave me this, I think. They both probably shouldn't know. What is a valkup to now? Do you talk to him?

35:29I think he's in Thailand training a bank towel with his folks, wrestling coach Frank Hickman. They have a gym in Thailand. So he's out in Bangkok and some work in. I want to get him a grappling match. I said to him, I said man, like if we're gonna take some time away because of the concussions, let's get you a grappling match. And my thought was how cool would it be to see him and Ortega for a grappling match? Oh my God, that would be incredible. I would just love to see it in that setting because Ortega obviously struggles to submit him in MMA. Yeah. Let's see what happens in a grappling match.

35:55Right with no gloves too. Yeah, that would be very interesting. Ortega is very good on the ground. He's very sneaky too. Yeah, so yeah, he's super slick. He pull, he catches some crazy shit out there. He loses in a fight like two, three rounds, get one look at a guillotine. Yeah, he's a man. He's crazy. No, and his guillotine is fucking death. I mean, with Volkanowski got out of that, the mounted guillotine, his face looked like a grape and just would not tap. Would not tap. I had no idea how he got out, but I told everyone I was like, yeah, obviously that's me by the DVD. And then support his grappling coach.

36:27I take credit for that. Well, he's an animal. 99 .9 % of the world were tapped. He's like that in the gym. I remember I'll choke him in the gym sometimes and he'll go from putting his chin in to taking it out. As he grips in there, like he'll try and switch it from like, I guess like the front choke to the blood vessels, he just changes how he choke him and can survive down there. Wow. I don't know how he does it. He should teach me that shit. I think it's just his brain. Yeah, too tough. Yeah, he's a fucking animal. And so does he have a plan to come back? Does he? I don't know what's going on.

37:02I imagine it's probably all the way versus to Poria. I think that's gonna happen. And then I think I hope personally we get Volksa grappling match. Maybe we get him at this event. I'm hoping we get him. We get some MMA guys at this event. Is he thinking about doing something like that? He has been going a whole lot of time, right? When is this event? This is August 16, 17th. Yeah, it's not much time. But I mean, if he's in shape, his training is out of bank town, Thailand, get some rounds in. I think it's fine, especially against another MMA guy. They both have the same type of training. You know, it's not like he's taking on a pure grapple that's only grappling.

37:32So do you have a budget to do something like that, to do super fights as well? Actually, yeah. So we're gonna start taking sponsors to try and get more super fights. And I'm in talks with some legends of the game right now. Like some guys that you'd be shocked. Can you say anything about... I wouldn't say any names, but potentially, I'll tell you a... Can you name a crime? One of them has a Mexican sound at last name, but I'll talk to you about that. Okay. Okay. All that one. Yeah, all the legends, they want so many people on a comatter at time for this. I think they just know, like, especially when I explain the rules, explain that it's in that.

38:09Allie's like the sunken floor. You know, they like that format. Obviously, you throw a million dollars on the Instagram, you get some messages, you know, the main, you get some, hey, brother, what's going on, you know? Yeah, I think people are gonna be shocked at how good Luke Rockhold is. Yeah, he, man, he's so tough. He's very good on the ground. I remember when he got widened down and mounted him and widened me, could not get up. I was like, this is... His ground game is very underrated. Cause he's just known as an MMA guy. And he's gonna come train with us. He's gonna come to beat him five weeks.

38:40So he's gonna prepare with us for this event. So we'll watch him and Nicky wrote, kill each other every day. I'll love to watch that shit. Wow. Yeah, I always wondered how he would have done if he had gone straight grappling. Cause the people that I know that trained with him said, dude, I think he could have competed with the best in the world as a grappler, just as a pure grappler. Yeah, I mean, he'd look at the guys he's training with. Could be even Islam, came for Lascaz, DC, all those guys. It's like people think it's like MMA's in isolation. Like those skills weren't translate. They translate, especially with athletes like that.

39:09Especially in such a grappling dominated camp. He's gonna surprise some people. What I keep laughing about is like, it's a million dollars for first place, 10 ,000 for second place. I'm like, who's tapping? Right, for a million dollars. Yeah, I think what we're gonna do, I haven't finalized this yet, but I think if you're in a submission in the round ends, we keep going. Get out of this mission. Well, there's been so many times where guys were almost submitted. Where you think? Yeah, this guy, I let him out of that on board to join the team. Look at that one. How to get any money out of that? How bad was his arm fucked up after that?

39:42That arm bar was so tight? Well, that was the funny thing, right? Is that what's the prize of EBI? Well, he had some, if I'd submitted him, I would have won 15K, and I think he had only had two submissions in regulation. So he was, he only made 10K, so I like, we could have made a business still there. Right, right, just let it go. But man, his arm popped on the day, he said it was fine. Next week, I shot, we both competing in another event again, and there was like three, four locker rooms. And I would just travel by myself. I wouldn't even have a coach. I just post an Instagram story who can corner me for this event.

40:18Like the one against Gordon, I had Denny Prokobos, and he was saying 10th planet stuff to me, and I didn't even know what language he was speaking in the corner there. All right. So I was just cracking control. Yeah, he's saying, do these things, I'm like, what's happening, bro? And then I shot to this next event, yeah, Kassai grappling in New York. And of all the locker rooms, they threw me in there with the Danahau guys, and I'm just, that's a bit weird, like, had this guy number last week, then he choked me, and now it's just me in a locker room with them all. It was very awkward, but then broke the ice, and I came in the train the next week.

40:45And you were with them for a long time. You were with them for like what, five years? With Danahau? Two years. Two years. So what did start before Puerto Rico? Yes, yeah, I lived in New York for, oh, I mean, man, my memory's hazy, but we did Puerto, we survived Puerto Rico for six months. And before that was, I would come and go from New York, I'll split with a team two and a half years. But yeah, things get weird out there in the jungle, you know? Yeah, no. Bucks down, style. Well, everyone's confused as to what happened with you guys. That's what, like, there's no real version of the truth. We got a book deal, we got a movie deal coming at, and now I'm gonna explain that story to the bitter hands.

41:29You have a book deal for real? No, I'm joking. But I could, the story's weird enough, you know? But what happened with you guys? I mean, there's so many things we really can't discuss, you know? A lot of problems, obviously, a lot of problems. Obviously, two brothers split up, was gonna be some serious issues there. But yeah, it's not really my place to say, but hopefully one day it comes out. I think it'll be an interesting story. Who knows, this shit might kick things off, it might be well -bought through again. So when you left, like, did you leave to start your own place when you guys started B team, was that the plan all along?

42:03Now, I honestly never even wanted to start a gym. I'd already told the guys, like, at Danahuzz, that I was like, hey, I'm gonna, this will be my last set, you see, say. And then I just wanna travel around, see the world, visit interesting destinations, teach seminars, like I felt like I'd already built a brand. But then when the team split, I felt like, I sort of wanted to help them kickstart something. So we came here, we started the B team. I've been with the B team, we've had the B team two, three years. But I'm not there too much anymore. I helped kickstart it, we got the gym. The guys haven't, you know?

42:33So like, I like traveling around. So are you basically semi -retired? For sure, yeah, for sure. I mean, obviously, when you put on, like, if you put on an event that pisses off every other promotion in the sport, it's gonna probably be hard to get matches in the future. So I'll probably compete for my own show, and that's it. That's the plan we wanna keep doing these shows. Well, I think you're gonna piss off ADCC for sure by going head to head with them, but I don't think it would piss off fight pass or... Now, fight pass for number one. Or do you think? Well, I mean, whoever's streaming ADCC's obviously not gonna be, not gonna be happy as a more competition.

43:08But again, I still think long term, this story is gonna grow this sport. Yeah. It's an interesting story. It's fine, let's see what happens. Do I either be the best event ever or the five festival? I'm hoping for the former. The fact festival. Are you besides the Gabby Garcia thing, which is no disrespect, kind of a gimmick fight? Yeah, for sure. Are you done competing? I'll probably do another match. That's Gabby. Gabby will be one day. If someone's down, I'll do a match on the other day as well. We'll see, but I also wanna leave it open because I am talking to some crazy big names. And I'm like, man, if we can put that together, like I'm gonna try and save some space.

43:49But like, obviously I have to run this thing. But what you should tell me some of those names on the air? It's everyone you can possibly think of. I'll tell you how often I play. There's a potential matchup that I'm working on that's insane, it'll be the craziest shit ever. Really? Crazy, yeah. You wanna tell me now, we'll cut it out? Yeah, can we do that? Yeah, yeah. I'm working a holy shit. Sorry, folks, you can't know. Damn, that would be insane. That would be insane. Wow, is the former, is he training? Training, yep. People have said, man, he feels good. It'd be like, obviously crazy, inspirational story, I'd love it.

44:26Wow. Yeah, that's insane. That's insane. And then it's like Abu Dhabi for a lot of people is the Olympics of grappling. And one of the things is it's every two years. I mean, I remember when John Jock won Abu Dhabi. You know, I just started, I think this was like, what year was this when he started training, when he fought in Abu Dhabi? Early 2000s or mid 2000s? Yeah, I was like a blue belt at the time. And when John Jock went over there, we were just so proud that he went over there. And he had this advantage over a lot of the gui guys in that he only has one hand. And so he never relied on grabbing collars.

45:10Everything was over hooks and under hooks. And he had sort of already developed a no -gui game that he was applying to the gui. You know, obviously he can do all the gui techniques as well. But he was more of a no -gui guy in the beginning. And it was so interesting watching that style, you know, watching no -gui. Which is, if Abu Dhabi didn't do that and if they didn't have this prestigious event and make it no -gui, I think the sport would have really struggled because it's so hard for people to appreciate what's going on with the gui. It's very slow. And when you see a guy getting choked by a collar, it's just, it looks silly, so.

45:48Yeah, but yeah, man, I'm so happy Abu Dhabi exists. I think the inspiration for me to do ADCC was Stuart Cooper's Highlight Rills. Like when I was coming up, like 2009, 2011, CM Braille, O 'Jake Havows, Rons, like that inspired me. Losing in the game more than no -gui also inspired me to chase the no -gui dreams. But like, I'm following in Eddie Bravis for steps, we both did ADCC, couldn't win it. We have our own invitational. But yeah, I'm thankful for everything they've done. I still, obviously love ADCC. I wouldn't have a career as big as it is without ADCC. But do you feel any loyalty to ADCC?

46:21Like, you're kind of fucking them, right? I mean, I feel loyalty to the athletes. I think like for what we do and how much, how much bigger the sport is now, we should be compensated better, you know? Like, and that's sort of why I've taken a massive risk in doing this. I appreciate what you're saying, but if ADCC is not turning a profit, like the idea of composing the athletes more, I mean, they have essentially made stars out of so many of these athletes. And by because of that, by the fact of that, they've profited. But therein was the argument. And the argument is that I believe an event of that magnitude should turn a profit.

46:59I'm gonna do it myself and see, obviously, I could be wrong, but based on the production and the things we paid for thus far, I don't see how you couldn't run it in a profitable way. Obviously, we're giving away 100 times as much for two divisions. But men, like, if they had even upped it to 20k, you know what I mean? Let some token gesture, like if we're going from a basketball court with 100 people in there to selling out team mobile, like, if there's room for a fireworks show, if there's room for dramas, I feel like there should be some room in the budget for the athlete pay to increase. No, that's a good argument.

47:37And hopefully by forcing by this, you guys will inspire them. And the argument is about making stars. Like, it's true. It's true, obviously, you get a huge platform, but you could win and not become a star. You know, if I know plenty of guys, well, not plenty of guys, but I know a few people that have won ADCC, but really like... No one knows who they are. Yeah, that's crazy for me. It's all go to the seminon, it'll sell out just because of just fucking gay jokes and stupid jokes all the time. And I'll see real champions that can't sell out a seminon. So if we can make an event that those champions can make some real money and I'd be super happy.

48:15Well, I think you're also your popularity is increased because people know that you coach Volkanovsky and you work with MMA athletes before. Do you plan on still doing that? For sure, yeah, for sure. Love Volkanovsky always be there for him anytime. I mean, obviously MMA's got a lot of crazy individuals in there, but like, to give up the time to work with the correct athletes, I will always have time for some of the real good guys out there. Like, obviously, easy, awesome. I'd always make time for Izzy. Jack Della from Perth. Like, guys like that, just super cool guys. I'd always find time to help him.

48:47Yeah, Jack Della, what a big win he got over Gilbert. Man, I still moves off him. I remember when he went into the contender series, he hit like a Mucky Kumi reversal in the first round of the contender series fight and I was blown away by his grapping and I've been watching it since and his reversal of Gilbert Burns, it's crazy. Yeah, very crazy. I've trained with him and I'm just like, I still moves from him. Like he's man, he's so good at grappling. Yeah, he's very good at striking too. He's, in my opinion, he's like one of the best in the sport at mixing up shots from the body to the head because so many fighters for whatever reason are head hunters, you know, and because you can knock a guy out with one shot, but Jack is so good at mixing shots up to the body and to the head.

49:27I mean, he just breaks guys down. Yeah, it's, man, he's a scary guy. I was lucky actually because before the Tuporiya fight, we're able to sort of link up. So it was like he came out to a Willingong and trained, is he came out at the same time? So I got to watch Jack Deller and is he mixed it up and then trained with folks and for me, even as MMA fan, it's like I have to pinch myself sometimes and be like, wow, that's amazing. He's just like putting on this thing when I'm talking to these guys about super fights. It's the dream as just a grappling fan. I'm just thinking, oh, what could we do? Who could we convince into this event?

49:58You know, like just from a pure fan perspective, it is pretty fun. No, I'm sure. It's going to be interesting to see whether or not this can work because a lot of people have looked at the UFC model and said, hey, athletes should be getting paid more money and so they put on these events and none of them are profitable. I mean, maybe Bellator was and they sold Bellator and then there's the PFL. I don't know how they do financially, but they have the same sort of similar thing. They have a tournament. At the end of the tournament, the guy wins a million dollars. But my point is, right, is like, if you're an Olympic champion or if you're a UFC champion, it has so much prestige that every single person in the world knows what it is.

50:37It has this intrinsic value. Yeah. If you say you're an IBGF champion or an ADCC champion, a very small percentage of population know that. So it's like, that's the case in point we've put on a tournament with much more money. Everyone jumpships because they know that's money whereas obviously Olympic gold medal, that's timeless. That's, that's, that's crosses all sports, you know, that crosses into culture. How many guys are jumping ship? I mean, I'll tell you afterwards, but. So is it public that they're jumping ship or are they not talking about it? Well, we got 16 spots in under and over and I'm navigating through who wants to be in there, you know.

51:1916 spots each, so 32 total. So I'm, I'm trying to navigate to the best guys we can get and it's like everyone wants in, you know? Really? So no one's worried about the repercussions or the blowback from ADCC? No, because I think they see it as well. I could get the money to show. Like I mean, say, so the TACCAT brothers, local Texas guys, some of the nicest kids ever, you know? And they were the first ones to reach out to me, they wanted the trials. It's been ADCC's been their dream, their entire life. And they just hit me up because no one believes anything I say. Unfortunately, it's like you make too many jokes, everyone's like, he's full of shit.

51:53But these guys were like, man, is this real? And I was like, yeah, it's real. And they're like, well, even if I have to deal with the consequences, even if I have to go back and win the trials to qualify again, I want to show to the million to take, and they don't even talk about themselves. They're like, I want to take care of my family. And I'm like, wow, that's a super cool motivation to do this. They're willing to risk it because they'll fight their way back in. Well, I hope there's no repercussions. I hope I don't think that will be. Well, we'll see, right? But I think best case scenario is that ADCC recognizes that there's competition and then they have to raise up the amount of money to get the athletes.

52:26And maybe it'll just elevate the profile of the sport enough so that's profitable still. Yeah, it's a good experiment. Press stage versus... But why do it the same weekend as them? Well, you want the athletes to make a stand, are they together? Or what is the motivation here for these guys? Yeah, for... Money's the motivation. Money's the shot. It's sort of making a stand, but it's making a stand. Money is more important in this organization that's propped up the sport for 20 plus years. Well, there's other athletes that say, a million dollars is easy to make. Yeah, I got them over there. Yeah, you win.

53:02It's not easy for Gordon. I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money. I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money for the structural notice. Oh, it's just from dominating for all these years. But again, like a million for most guys, like I mean, you grow up in Brazil. You know, you like millions, not easy to make by any means. Like, especially like the instructional market is predominantly English -speaking people. They're the ones that are going to pay the highest price, so it's like us that speak English have a huge advantage in that area. Like, even me personally, just for having an accent, I'm a little American's like, wow, he's fucking smarter.

53:31That's why we use people like you for infomercials. Yeah, exactly. They take it, so you... You sell a mop. John Denny, you throw a Kiwi accent on it. Yeah. He's obviously smart, God, but that adds points for sure. Are you still close to him? Do you talk to him? No, we don't talk. So he's upset about this, I was... I don't know. I've run into him a few times with shake hands, but you know he's general demeanor. You don't really know, like, you know? Yeah. I look back when we walk past, see there's nothing I have to come in, you know? But I held him hard a few buddies in New York, you know, some missing women, but...

54:03Oh, we had a tight bond. He's a unique character. I mean, he seems like a guy from a fucking movie. Like, he doesn't even seem like a real guy. You know, some professor of philosophy, a Columbia who becomes obsessed with Jiu -Jitsu, sleeps on the mats, teaches everybody, and forces everybody to train 365 days a year. Yeah, that's an interesting fellow. Yeah. What was it like doing that, like the 365 days a year? I mean, I wouldn't do it. You know, I would be like, well, it's taking a day off, you know? Let me have a day to relax. I wouldn't necessarily do it. I mean, it was a lot of training though.

54:38He can't, like, he wanted it to be your life, you know? Like, and obviously it should be, but a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure to be a part of that team. Did you talk to him about the philosophy behind those decisions? I mean, we had a lot of discussions, I think. Like, we were actually really close because I'm from, like, he's New Zealand, I'm a straight, I'm from his part of the world. So a lot of the time Australians visit, he actually has a tight connection with him, because we have a lot of things we can relate on. So we, I mean, we talk all the time. I'd probably, unfortunately, probably me and Nicky Ryan were two of the ones he was closest to before the team split.

55:13Hmm. And when you guys were training there, I mean, how beneficial is it having a garlic hammer on? Super beneficial. And also not just because of who he is and how smart he is, but like, he basically approached it like an MMA coach. You know, like MMA coach is always watching, is always guiding your training. Most of you do to coaches are participating. They teach you a few moves, they roll with everyone. Right. So to have a guy that approaches it like an MMA coach, where he approaches it with that level of professionalism, watching, making adjustments, I think even something as simple as that is a huge benefit.

55:46Hmm. Yeah, I think so too. Also a guy who's physically impaired, where he can't compete, but he has so much passion for it that he pours it all into the athletes. Yeah, and I think what made him so brilliant as well is obviously his college and university. He knows how to study, he knows how to take notes on everything, he knows how to teach. You put him in Hensel Gracie's in New York for 20 years when it was the hub of MMA and grappling. Guys like Hodja Gracie are passing through all the time. He's basically in this position where he can just watch, train with all these guys, pick up all these details and have it locked and loaded, read it, and teach in a perfect way.

56:28Like obviously his game's heavily inspired by Marcelo Garcia. You know, he just takes the really useful things and can articulate it in a way that's better than most of the people in the sport before him. So I think there's all these factors that have made him who he is and why he's so successful. How much of a factor is this, the constant training, the training of 365 days, you're like, how do you balance the burnout with the discipline? Like how do you, like, because I think inspiration is almost enthusiasm and inspiration are almost, I think discipline's more important for sure, but there are factors that can't be ignored because when an athlete loses inspiration and loses enthusiasm, they just don't have the mental drive to push through like very difficult situations.

57:22You know what I'm saying? Like you just lose the steam, you lose the engine. I mean, I don't think you should do 365 a year. You know, like I think you should peak for events, have a period of time afterwards where you slow down, and then when you're not preparing for an event, you're studying technique. When you get closer to an event, you're refining those particular techniques and skills for that particular event's rule set or opponent or whatever, and we should like go up and down and like, I like it when you have an event, whether you win or lose, you don't train too much after and you have this period where you miss training and you're like pulled back into it.

57:59So I do, and I think, I mean, even like, obviously Gordon's had four sprages with healthy issues, but like as long as I've known him, and we train together, like there would be time periods where he wouldn't be at training for a week or two. You know, so it's like, I think it's like a myth we should all strive for, but everyone should be entitled to some time off. Did you ever talk to John about that? I mean, I would just take a day off every week, but luckily, like, I think he had some love for the Australians, let me get away with some things. He wouldn't let other people do. So I mean, I would be chilling, you know?

58:29Does he enforce that? Like the 365 days a week? I don't know if there's a real strong enforcement, but there's like a unspoken, he better be there, you know? Like, but who knows what it's like now? Obviously he's moved to Austin. My memory's very phasey, pretty forgot some things, but yeah, obviously I'm super appreciative that I had, but it was a part of that team. But I mean, I was with like, luckily, I'm lucky. I moved to Melbourne. It was with luckily Jarls for a few years. They had a massive splash at ADCC 2019, and then I was with John. So like, I've been around some good coaches, you know?

59:00So I think I'm lucky positioned to spite coming from Australia. Not as lucky as others. Like it would have been amazing to be like a Nikki Ryan born right next to New York, and go to train with someone with the people in that team or have that coaches, but again, like, we're all not that lucky. I didn't even train with a black belt, so I was already a purple belt. So it's like, we were, yeah, we were all unexposed. Because I'm from Australia, I probably came up with a time period in my city that was more like an older time in the US where black belts were like, whoa, never met one. What year did you start training?

59:33Oh, probably 17 years ago now. And even back then, there weren't many black belts around? No, when I started training, I just trained with my cousin, and he was like a four -striped white belt. There was like two people on the mats, you know? There was nothing I trained twice a week. I didn't train properly for a long time. You trained twice a week? Yeah, I was just like, I didn't even think, I didn't even know what it was, you know? We just fun. You just doing it for fun? Yeah, just what were you doing for a living back then? I was still in high school when I first started, and then I was just flipping burgers or burger king, basically, then I did a psychology degree, just a bachelor's, some bouts, like I had to work jobs, study and do judicities.

1:00:09So these are all solos today that get it just trained. I'm so envious of them, you know? Like it's just the sport, again, the sport's growing that much with the sponsorship deals and stuff, so I'm a little kid. Back then, how did you learn technique? Man, I had Eddie, like he's the funny thing. I had Eddie Bravo's Master in the Rubbergaard book. That came to me at a very influential time where I read the chapter about weed. I was like, fuck it, maybe I should start smoking weed, so I was like, I was like, thinking I'm gonna learn some techniques, end it up smoking weed all the time. Yeah, that doesn't work for everybody.

1:00:39It's interesting the weed thing, because some people think it makes you lazy, and I think you're just lazy. I think if weed makes you lazy, you're lazy. I just, I don't, I don't, it makes me think about the consequence. Like the idea of paranoia, like people talk about weed paranoia, I think it's like a hyper awareness, and Eddie once said this to me, like if your life is shit and you smoke weed, it's gonna feel terrible, but if your life is great and you smoke weed, you're gonna feel good. Like if you got all, you don't have any problems in your life, you know what I mean, things you're dealing with.

1:01:12If you've dealt with your problems and you're just like on a good path, then weed's good for you. But weed has never made me lazy. It's the opposite. I smoke weed, I always feel like, don't be lazy. Good, good, good, good, good things to do. You don't want these things fucking with you. You don't want these things hanging over your head. Like that hyper awareness, it's like part of my work ethic, you know, like oversight. Like someone is looking over me all the time, making sure I can't lie to myself or to other people. Like I have to do the things I'm actually supposed to do. That's my feeling about it.

1:01:45Well, I mean, I read his book and I was like 17 smoking bongs driving a training in the car having pre -workout getting ready to go to war, you know, like that's basically, they have floats that out on me. But it was good. I think rolling high keeps you fluent, keeps you, I wouldn't do all the time. Sometimes I meet guys that are so high that I've just smashed them for a round but they've done one thing but they're so fascinated by that, like the perceptions of sometimes. I think that's possible, true. That's too. But I've always felt like I was like 10 % better when I was high. I really feel like that's, it was quite a few things.

1:02:17You could try a couple beers. I'm scared. beers don't help me. Like when I play pool, if I play pool high, I play way better. If I play pool drunk, I'm not good. Oh, really? Yeah, I think with me alcohol just makes me not pay attention to shit. Alcohol for me is like, ah! I'm not, I'm not a focused person if I'm drinking. I need that for sport. That gives me a false sense of confidence, you know? That's useful. Maybe one or two beers with drunk. Have you ever competed drunk? I've felt it for sure, you know? Cigina, yeah, she usually a focused soda or something. So if a fan sees, I'm not soda water, man.

1:02:56And you've done that many times where you just to take the edge off? Five, six times. I mean, I had a couple drinks before the lavato match because we had the hell ahead bottle back there. I was like, hey, come on, tell us some sponsorship money, you know? I picked that up, but sadly not. Well, isn't hell ahead on by Dana? Doesn't Dana? Yeah, that was the thing. I was like, go sneak us a bottle back here, man. Put it in the vlog. When you were training and you were learning from books, like, did you have any videos that you studied? Was it like, how did you learn techniques other than just books?

1:03:29I mean, we, I'm trying to make books I had, man. I had like a PJ Penn's book, Eddie Bravis book, like the actual textbooks. And then I started buying the instruction. I was like, I had car operations, judo, frame, and may. I had Ryan Holtz. He was, he really changed the game with instructionals in the early days. So like stealing Liz moves. And then I learned about the world of torrent sites. And I started illegally acquiring every instruction I could. And then we'd try to self -learn on the mats, studying these and then drilling the moves. That's really, so I was really self -taught up until Purple Bell, really just focused on using instructions.

1:04:04And then where'd you go for Purple Bell? Then I moved to Melbourne with Lockling Jaws. And basically was like two and a half years then. And then two and a half years with Jon. That's a crazy little amount of time. Yeah, I didn't spend, that's the thing a lot of people, obviously they just noticed when you achieve something. You know what I mean? I trained by myself a long time before I was able to join any big teams. What do you think attributed to your success? I think, I mean, honestly, I don't know. I put in the work in the early days for sure. And then studying, studying, studying, and then just being at the forefront of the leg lock sort of song.

1:04:40You know, like I got in the right time. I saw techniques in the G like the Birren Bolo. That would just a new technique that would wipe the floor with experience black belts. You could use it on people you had no business beating. Those are the techniques I wanted. And I saw the Danahoe guys use heel hooks and I was like, man, if I as a Purple Bell can submit some black belts, I'm like, that's fucking, that's the way I got to go. And so how did you wind up training with Jon and the? Well, I mean, I would just, obviously Australia's far away. Hard for us to me to keep doing that 16 hour journey back and forth.

1:05:13I wanted to stay in America. So I just started doing my camp. So that was the best place to do it. It was like 100 people in the room doing Noggi. Obviously it had that DDS squad there that was awesome. Danahoe focus at that time that really weren't too many places in the world that would take Noggi as seriously as those guys. How bad was the staff infections going around down there? I got staff every month, every month there. How the fuck is that possible? I got it under my eye one time and the guy was, the doctor was like, well, it's your eye, you fuck. I was like, oh, it's reassuring me. Thank you.

1:05:47But every month I was on, I remember I used to go trips to Mexico to get some medicine. So I'd go down there by a bunch of doxy cycling, by like 90 tablets of it. I just sit on it, keep tagging them. Used to buy my steroids down in Mexico too. But isn't that, that's probably what fuck Gordon's stomach up. The steroids, I mean? No, I mean the antibiotics. I don't think the steroids. Probably a bit of everything, who knows? Yeah, the antibiotic's definitely not good for you. But when you're on antibiotics, he was on antibiotics for a year straight, which first of all is crazy because the amount of discipline it takes to train that much while you're on antibiotics.

1:06:22But people don't know, antibiotics wreck your cardio. Just wreck your physical strength, wreck your vitality. I got staff once and I remember it took antibiotics and I don't think I'd ever taken antibiotics before while I was training. And when I was recovering from staff, I was like, this is nuts. I feel like I'm 50%. You're at 50%. When Luke Rock called Pete, Chris Wydeman, he was on antibiotics. Take and see, I mean, I've taken a lot during matches. I've taken a lot, I've been on it all the time. You know, lost two matches. It's fucking wrecked you though, right? Yeah, I had bad stuff in my leg.

1:06:57Like even during that Philip Brod match, I remember I submitted him and then he had stuff a few days later, I was like, got you to last night. But that was bad when the doctor had to cut that open and like squeeze it out, that was horrible. But I think the more you take antibiotics the less affect they have on you. So now I get staff, it's fucking really annoying. Do you use anything to protect your skin? Like do you use defense soap or anything like that? Nah, I just try to shower straight afterwards. Just regular soap. Right, yeah, I think we have some branded soap in there. But like, I think it's just important.

1:07:27Like, I mean, we're doing with some people that don't even have a shower. That's crazy. Yeah, someone they have a quick rinse get out of there. I would see guys do that when they would train and they would just go home sweaty. I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind. Like you're allowing that stuff to breed on your skin. While you're in your car, it's hot out. That was Puerto Rico, we had no showers at the gym. Oh God. So we'd have a 60 minute drive home off to each class without having a shower. Oh, that's insane. Not good for the car fabric smell. But was the Puerto Rico gym, wasn't that exposed to sunlight at least?

1:07:57Wasn't the mat exposed to sunlight? Not enough, but you know what? Because I get in the ocean every day. I think maybe that helped a lot. Oh, that probably helps a lot. A lot of sunshine down there too. Yeah, that probably helps a lot. Sunlight on the mats apparently is a great thing. Like if you could open up garage doors and have sunlight on the mats apparently that kills a lot of things. Yeah, for sure. I also think sometimes like the overtrain, like your immune system's just down because maybe you're stressed for sleeping. Yeah, for sure. You're really stressed about a match. A lot of people get stuff around a match because they push the training up.

1:08:27You do the anxiety of the match. Thinking about it, messes with their sleep and then just vulnerable to it. When you were training, did you ever monitor your heart rate, check your heart rate in the morning, make sure you're not overtraining? You know what I thought about doing that, stuff to HIV stuff. That's all about it. I looked up one of the machines at the time I was like, fuck, that's expensive, eh? I mean, now I don't want to do anything. I get my blood pressure checked, it's concerning, you know? I almost failed the last two medicals because the doctor was like, your blood pressure is through the roof.

1:08:54Really? I was like, pass the mats, digits, it's not in my man. Why would your blood pressure be so high? Good question, I ain't probably too much caffeine. Think that's it? I don't know, we should find out, but I'm busy traveling all the time. I should look into it. You don't know what's wrong? Oh, no, freak me out. My blood pressure was high. Now you're freaking me out, now. We'll test it after. I mean, I just feel like... I've got to survive for this shit, I understand. But you're relying on your body, that's your business. Your business is your body. Why do you say it's a faulty test? You know what I'm saying?

1:09:26Faulty test for blood pressure? Yeah, I might be... I think those things are 100%. I'm like, the boss have still there, get a bigger band. I don't think they're ever wrong with blood pressure. I mean, there's factors you can be stressed out that'll raise up your blood pressure. I was making jokes with the doctor last time, I competed in Dubai, and I was making jokes with him, and he was just not laughing at all. He's not having it today. The Mexican doctor for karate combat loved it, but not the Dubai guy. Oh, that's funny. I faced that. You know the guy in the UFC that finished Kevin Lee real quick?

1:09:55He did not. He finished Kevin Lee, like he knocked him down, guillotine them in a minute. Oh, the last guy. Yeah, his last fight. How was that? He was the last name. Renat, Renat. Look how remember his name. Right. He was crazy though, man. He did not want to tap. I had him bugged, I put him in a triangle. He went to... There it is. Renat, how to say that? Fuck a red -off. Fuck a red -off. Go for it. Give his middle name. For credin -off. For credin -off. He's middle name, stuff, are there? Yeah, wow. Raiash -dick. Raiash -divick. He's just like how can I fucking make Bruce Buffer's life difficult day?

1:10:30Yeah, bro. Buffer's got it rough. I got it rough on the... I fuck up all the time on the... The weigh -ins when I have to do the weigh -ins. Did they get angry with you? Does anyone get angry? No, no, luckily. No one's gotten angry at me, but it's always a mistake. I fucked up a few times. It's hard. Those words are hard. Sometimes your mouth just doesn't work, right? You know, it just doesn't come out right. I fucked up Umar Nurmogomedov's name once. When I was after his fight. I was like, God damn it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just came out like... I got it in sight now. It's hard. Some of them...

1:11:03Zabit was the hardest. Magomed Sharapov. Yeah. Zabit Magomed Sharapov. That was the guy that I've been... Fuck, man. He's really bummed out when he stepped out. When he just decided enough's enough. I think he's a doctor now. Really? I think so. Find out what he's doing. Zabit Magomed Sharapov. That guy was fucking good, man. He did some cool shit. Ooh, he did some wild shit. He was so interesting because he was from Dagestan, but he fought like a... You know, like almost like a karate fighter. Yeah, crazy kicks. Yeah, wild kicks, man. And he could do anything. I mean, crazy trips, too. He would do that trip.

1:11:40Oh, yeah, he sort of led the way with that. Now, like, Valks does a lot of guys try to do that one. Yeah, he was very good at that one particular trip. He's just so clever. So clever and creative and such an interesting fighter to watch. I was a bummed out, man. Like, really bummed out when that guy retired. I was like, shit. That's why I love traveling around finding these guys, like these mysterious guys, like I was in Japan. I could have dinner with Ganki Suda. Ah, I love that, dude. That's the coolest guy I ever had. Ganki Suda was like a politician now. I know. I remember when he used to carry around that flag with all the...

1:12:15We were all one. We were all one. What a beautiful guy. So cool, man. So like, when a fight and then hold this up, like we are all one. And then he just retired to pursue becoming a pop star and now he's a politician. He was a pop star? Yeah, he owns restaurants. Yeah, have you seen his dancing videos? No. Really what's a cool one? I imagine a guy who fights that could probably dance like a motherfucker. Crazy dancing. Ganki Suda won. I forget the name of a crate. Like, dancing montage singing does it all. No shit. Wow. I'm not surprised. He's a creative guy. He was creative as a fighter too. Very interesting fighter to watch.

1:12:49He retired and like, he became a pop star to grow in popularity. Like even fighting wasn't his focus. He just wanted to leverage fighting and become a pop star to help him get into politics, to help people. He really just wants to help people. So those were side gigs to get him to wear his today where he can use his political influence to help people in Japan. Wow. That is amazing. Does he look at him? Is this him dancing? Oh yeah. Ganki. I'm on the first pitch with those. I guess get first pitch with all his dudes behind him. Oh, a terrible pitch. Yeah, software. Wow. That's pretty cool. He had some crazy men.

1:13:31Back in that West Side grappling tournament, he liked was hitting some moves back then. Oh yeah, man. Innovative today. Yeah. Wild explosive, interesting guy. Just very interesting. I mean, that's the kind of thing about the sport that's so cool is that you get these human beings that are just exceptional human beings that decide to challenge themselves and one of the most difficult things a person can do. Like Volkonosky, like he's a very interesting guy because it takes extreme character and will and discipline to become Alexander Volkonosky, the greatest featherweight of all time. I mean, it takes a lot to be that person.

1:14:07Yeah. And you learn a lot just by being around those people. You learn about human potential. I mean, I even learn grappling from these guys. You know, people think I show up and I'm just helping them. Like those guys are so talented. Like I still shit from them as well. You know, just I don't know how they do it. Oh, Volkos does it all. But have you learned from Volk? I mean, just the way, like I really still a lot from MMA fighters and how they turtle and get up from that. Hmm. A lot of rappers don't understand that, like until they roll with a good MMA guy and the guy just keeps getting up and they like what?

1:14:36It's happening. Like Derek Lewis? Yeah, they just stand up. I love that. I stole that for an instruction in name. Just stand up. And I was like, Derek Lewis inspired. No, you did do that, right? You did make a whole instructional about getting up. Yeah. Is it because some guys get just too captured with the idea of engaging and grappling and not getting out? Yeah. Well, like if a guy gets these Godpastas, you just look to get God back. Whereas sometimes it's good to expose your back and just stand up and reset. Whereas like a lot of you just took guys are so scared to expose their back. Hmm. They refuse to ever do it.

1:15:10So it's like the, when an MMA guy does it, they don't know how to deal with it. Ah. They don't just go to dealing with it. It's interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Because you don't think about it. Yeah. Well, it's always like when you have new variabilities, new variables, new variables into any sort of fighting discipline. Like, oh, this is a new thing that I didn't consider. Yeah, I love that. That's why I love that. I do. Did you just say it can be more complicated MMAs a bit more simple? So it's like we can make all these instructions and you did so about these weird positions like octopus, God and stuff.

1:15:41Because you could be endlessly creative. Right? And MMA, the consequences are so strong. Right. It's a much simpler game. It doesn't mean it's easier. There's just less things you can do. Well, that's what's interesting is that guys in MMA in general aren't as good at submissions because they have all these other disciplines to consider. It's like when I went from Taikwondo to kickboxing and one of the things that I realized, like, oh, when people are punching you in the face, there's a lot of stuff you can't do. But if people aren't punching you in the face, damn, you get good at kicking. And so these guys who are used to getting punched in the face, there's stuff that they're just not, they don't have the dexterity than on the ability to do.

1:16:21And I don't know if you develop that to the same extent. Like when you see guys like Wonder Boy who started out with Karate, like that guy can do stuff with his legs that the average person can't do. Or Yaya, Yaya Rodriguez. This one's crazy. My god, that guy. He's on my favorite guys to watch because this fucking kicks are crazy. They just come from everywhere. Who's he fighting next? That's a good question. Did he just fight? Was Holtager his last fight? I believe. Was that his last fight? Let's say it pull up Yaya Rodriguez. But was just fine at what Yaya Rodriguez's next fight is. I don't know if they've announced it.

1:17:00I haven't heard anything. Yeah, it's funny when you're in the, when you, friends with a bunch of them and they fight, sometimes they let you know they'll fight. That's no big an answer. You'll have fuck up, I'd better not say. Right. Better not drop the news, get in trouble. Yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, I fuck up a few times. Is it say? Not some books. Was Holtager his last one? Yeah. So he lost our tag, and before that Volkanovsky, Volkanovsky beat his ass. That was a prime Volkanovsky display. Yeah, that was crazy. That man, yeah, he just, he's just so strong. He's a mor. Out muscle in the clinch, and we worked on a bunch of stuff because of how dangerous Yaya's guard is.

1:17:42Like he's got a dangerous guard, and we had to overcome the fact that like, if you leave space against him, he throws elbows at Kutchy. Right. So we had to navigate those areas, and really it was good. Like a training Volkswagen guy like Yaya is awesome because when he's on bottom, there's like a big contingent of Mexican MMA fighters that have really dangerous guards. Diego Lopez trains out, I think he's from Manaus originally, but he trains a bunch of guys there, and just aggressive bottom game, where if you leave space, they throw elbows, and if you're close, they're trying to set up high guards and submissions.

1:18:15So it's like, we really had to prepare for how dangerous he is though. He's one of the front runners, in my opinion. Diego, look, first of all, how the fuck does that guy make 145? Shredder, yeah. He's just a new one. He's so dangerous, man. You know, who do you fight Super Sedique, Yusuf in the last fight? He stopped him in the first round. Before that fight, I was telling everybody, I was like, I think this guy's the guy. I think he's the next guy to emerge. I wonder who he's booked against. I remember his first fight was like, short notice against Mosevar. Yeah, he was. I thought he won. It was very close, and Mosevar is undefeated in one of the best guys in the division, but Diego's scary.

1:18:54It's not just that he's good, he's fucking scary. He's intense. And from every guy, like submissions, not getting... Submissions, knockouts, and his fucking standup is horrific. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. We're just climb out Everest. Jesus Christ, yeah, yeah. That's the most recent thing I can talk about. Fucking relax, bro. He's that tough. He doesn't even look like he's fucking wearing anything. He's that warm. He's that bird watching. Look at he's got a fucking giant pack on, walking around, rucking. That's a good way to develop some cardio. I'll tell you that. It looks fine, but I definitely want someone else to hold the bag, hey.

1:19:27No, that's how you get the cardio. You have to carry the bag on your back. That's all I do. He can't. He can't. It looks fine. What are the guys that help you out the mountain? Those guys. Yeah, the Sherpas. Yeah, but I think he's trying to get fit. I think that's the whole idea. It's interesting when a guy like that is just so good at one area, which is kicking, and very good off his back submission, but then struggles in a couple other areas. He's almost there. He's like right there at the tipi top, but not quite at the level of the guys that are beating him. Just, but remember when he lost to Frankie, came back from that and just become a much better fighter.

1:20:06Much better fighter. Just people can't even out a couple of times. You know, almost reinvented himself, like surprised people, you know. That happens so often. Like people counted out Max Holloway. You know, Max Holloway, the last fight with Volk, Volk dominated. And Max just said, hey, that was his night. He had a great night. And that is a factor of fighting too. Like sometimes a guy will clip you in the first round, and you're kind of not the same. And he, but if you didn't clip you, maybe you would have won. Like maybe, you know, maybe if you'd like, just engage him Max Holloway, gets caught with that jump spinning back kick to the nose at the end of the first round.

1:20:41Shattered his nose. That's a big factor. Big factor. Doesn't land that. Who knows? Fight was a fucking amazing fight still, even with that shattered nose. Crazy. I was watching that. I was in Dubai for karate combat. And I was watching that at the breakfast buffet with all the stuff at the buffet at the hotel. I was like, everyone will go and crazy. I put the laptop down, eat normal. And we're like, that's the fucking craziest fight ever. It was the craziest fight ever. And the last 10 seconds when Max points to the floor, a fight that he's winning four rounds to one, crazy to just call the guy out.

1:21:13We're gonna do that in jiu -jitsu. Like give each other a leg. Let's fucking go. 10 seconds. I don't think that's the same. We just both get broken. Well, that's an interesting thing about like the EBI rules. How do you like those rules? The rules where, when it goes to overtime, you start either on a person's back or you start from what they call spiderweb. It was just, you know, psychotrolic, trying to get an arm. I mean, I like anything creative like that that's gonna force people to train those different areas. Like, but the majority of the sport, especially old school guys, don't like it.

1:21:43It's very difficult to get them to compete on those roles. Me personally, I like any rules set I can beat a guy in. So I had Philippe Pena match and the USC fire pass guys were like, oh, what rules set should we do? And I was like, I think EBI is pretty good, you know? Yeah. But I like the rules set strategically against particular opponents. But you know, like Kyle Bames had planted guy, one of the best overtime guys in the world. Like if I had a match with him, I'd be like, nah, we'll just do a regular rules match, you know? Right. So it's sort of strategy based. Right, based on the opponent's strengths.

1:22:14Like even Nikki wrote against Gordon, like they went to Ot and it was fucking close, you know? And it's like, that is very stressful. It's exciting. It's exciting. But if guys get submitted in those areas, sometimes people don't consider it real, even though it is, you know? They're like, it's an overtime victory. You didn't really submit it, but you did. Right. When Nikki grabbed that foot, yeah, just fucking ripped it out. I mean, how bad is his leg fucked up still? You gotta think, like, that's doing some damage. I just think, like, what was hilarious about that is like he was meant to face Vinnie Margalesh.

1:22:50And no disrespect to Vinnie Vittys just had a later stage of his career, right? Vinnie, when his young was a monster. It was incredible. And then it's like two days before they flipped the script and you got Nikki wrote. And you know what I mean? And I just can just pitch at him, just getting his foot broken, being like, what the fuck are you? Right. What the fuck just happened, you know? When I watched it, I was like, Jesus Christ, that is a lot of, oh, Nikki is such a gorilla. It was loud. So loud. It was like, you heard this now, pay. Sometimes though you get popped and it's so fast that the damage is already done.

1:23:23And you're just like, well, it's already injured. Let's keep going, you know? Right. But obviously some of the submissions are holding tension points slowly breaking, but the ones that are quick, sometimes guys don't tap, because it's like you didn't even have time to process it. Well, what about the one with you and Vinnie? Where you broke his leg? That was disgusting. Yeah. That still haunts me. Hey, but yeah, I don't know what he did. How the fuck did he keep going? And why did he keep going? But that's just it. You gotta be careful what shit talk he's saying. Like, I try to be careful with what I say.

1:23:50I'm never gonna be like, leg locks don't work. Cause he got put in a leg lock in 20 seconds and he's leg broken. It's like, now you committed to the bit, you know? Like, was he saying leg locks don't work? Yeah, he's like, leg locks don't work. And then he's just leg exploded. And I'm like, that's such a crazy thing to say. Leg locks don't work. It's cause he had matches with Gary and Gordon and they got some pops on him, but he hadn't submitted. So maybe they laid the groundwork for me. But I think it spiral fracture of his fibula. Oh, he's got ankle. Yeah, disturbing. That was where I was like, well, I wouldn't let that happen for a million.

1:24:24I don't know how much child sun and pain you even it must be more than me. I just think it's his pride, you know, just didn't want it to out. Yeah, the fact that he's like, we have to go. Going after the leg snap, that was loud. That was yeah, that was that. And the second one, I saw the bone poking into the skin. Like if I'd kept going, it would have probably like his, whatever bone fragment would have come out. Yeah, yeah. And I was just like, I was like, bro, I was just going to wait for over time. Like you just didn't want to tap. But then the ref caught it because his leg was dangling. I did a, I was the first to hook.

1:24:57And then the second one, I baited him where I pretended like I was going for his other leg. So he gave me the bad one again. But he was laughing, he was like, fuck, I couldn't have he broke, break both my legs. That's not multi -path. And yeah. Oh my God. So you knew it was already broken? Well, he, so my foot hit the ground at the exact second his leg snapped enough. So for a second, like I felt a little bit of crunching, but I didn't hear it. Everyone else in the room heard it. And then he gets out of it and I was just like, well, this is fucking guys flexible way. And then he says to me, he goes, I think he broke my leg.

1:25:34Oh no, he said it in the middle of the match. And we stopped talking and I'm just like, what's happening here? Right, how strange. And I was like, well, you want to keep going? All right. And he gave, like I ended up back with the same leg. Oh, good. And it was just no resistance. His ankle just did a full, just kept on. See if you can find that, Jamie. That's this horrible. That was the one, that was the most disturbing jujitsu match I've ever watched. Yeah, I just, I just couldn't understand. I was just like, right, why are you making me do this? Yeah, very pleased tap. You give him a trauma.

1:26:04I remember watching, like, with this look on my face, like, don't fucking, I just felt bad for him because he's a fucking good guy. And I was just like, man, did you not tap because your said leg locks don't work or you're like committed to it? It was quick though. It was a quick break. Does he still have a plate in there? Honestly, I don't know. But he came back and competed against Mason Fowler, like maybe four, five months later. That's crazy. And it's just like, you're getting some mileage on the body there, bro. It was like, is it worth it? I mean, better than the tibia, I guess. The fibula, I cracked my fibula before.

1:26:39It's not as bad, it's a small bone, and they can just let it fix. You know, let it heal up once they screw it together. Oh, wouldn't let it break, I'd be like, oh, yeah. The noise is bad. I've broken a few legs and I'm just like, what? So here it is. Is this before? The first one's at the brakes at the start of match. So he's legs already broken here. So you go to like 20 seconds. Yeah, that right there. So we hit like a 50, 50 invasion. You hear it. You might wanna turn that knee down and pull this leg out. See, he's actually in a little bit deep. Ah! Oh, dude. Yeah, so look at this. Oh, dude, you hear it.

1:27:21Oh, look at his foot, look where his foot is. And then he tries to get me. Oh, my. I let go of it because I was like, I do not know how he got out of the open. I was like, he can't let his leg break and then me just out. For the rubber guard, I guess we got rubber knee. He's huge here, too. That was one of Craig's best positions and he got to it with it. Dude, the sound is so awful. The sound of broken bones, I've never, I've never got like Chris Wideman when he fought Yoraya Hall through that leg. It was like full power and Yoraya checked it and he's see snapped. He hear the snap and he sees his leg bend over.

1:27:56Like, ah! That's where it's like, it's crazy how people were act to that shit where Conor McGregor was still just talking shit. That's fucking hilarious to me. I'm just like, he's such a psychopath. It never missed a moment. He didn't even have the pain killing whistle yet but he was ready for some shit again. Did you see him partying like a night or two ago? You reckon real? I mean, it doesn't mean he's drinking. He's vibing, that's the way he's whiffing. He's got a shirt off because he's having a good time. I mean, it looked like he wasn't sober but he could just be a fucking maniac. It's mind games though, maybe.

1:28:32It could be that. Yeah. That's why I took with Lovato. I kept talking about how his party and all the time and I was but I was like, maybe it's gonna mess with, you know what I mean? Right, right. So here's Conor and he's kissing his wife. He's throwing, he took a shirt off. He's getting crazy. But I mean, he could just be enthusiastic. I don't know. I don't know. It looks a little fucked up. Listen, I saw a roadhouse, yeah, not good actor. Shane Gillis has an amazing bit about roadhouse. You have to see it. Oh really? It's so fucking funny. He's a legend day. I want to get him involved in this.

1:29:09I want to get some comedians coming to him just shit talking with the grappling gloves, you know? Oh, that's funny. We'd have to get guys who know some grappling. Joey Diaz. Joey Diaz would be amazing. Surprise interviews on people. I'd be thinking of be fucking. Oh, he wouldn't do interviews. I don't think he wouldn't be good at that. But he'd be good at like commentary. Get him in the booth. Yeah, just get him talking shit. Yeah, I'll get people's names up. I'll get him to corner me against Gabby. He might do it. He might do it. He might do it. You never know. I was. I was. I was. I was. Hegan in the Abu Dhabi.

1:29:39Oh, you did? 2003. He didn't have anybody with him. I said, Joe Hogan. He said, you think that just tell me when the time, because like he can, you know, had been training that much. It wasn't the best of shape. Just let me know what time. It was just yelling out with the time as. Yeah, that's what I say sometimes. I was running out of like a lot of up. I'm the slave. Let me know the time. Yeah. Let me know if you think I'm burning too much gas. I'm too relaxed. And I'm like, that's the key here. Right. Right. I haven't Joey Diaz in your corner. It would be fucking hysterical. Alex Jones wanted to do it.

1:30:09Yeah, I'm like, oh. That's a tough guy to get involved with the charities. Yeah.

1:30:21Well, that's a fair fight. Thought she's so big. I mean, she might not weigh you by what do you walk around at 205. If you've got a few pounds in me for sure, at least 40. Last night we were a video calling each other and were both taking annava. And I was like, I popped a 50 and she popped a 25. I was like, You need both of that to beat me, you pussy. You know? I took some screenshots, hey, I don't know if I'll release it. That's hilarious. I should talk to the contract signs. You should have Joey Diaz do commentary for that fight. That would be the perfect fight for him to do commentary for.

1:30:56Yeah, just commentate this. Yeah, because Joey does do just so. He knows a little bit. He definitely knows positions and he talks so much shit. He's just so hilarious. I'm going to take it serious, but I am going to come out in a what tank top smugger and see grab probably, you know, I'll put it on the corner of the mat and see if I'm going to finish it before it finishes. Wow. Yeah, well, having something like that would definitely be an added element of fun. Some fun, the tournament series, obviously you guys are going to kill each other and then a bit of a bit of entertainment, you know, a bit of a battle of the sexes, I guess you could say.

1:31:31Definitely not. Sort of. A battle of the enhanced sexes. Yeah, who's more enhanced though? Yeah, she is. Yeah, for sure. I got to know her stack. I wish what I wanted to do was run an event where we drug tested, but it was anonymous. And just for my own personal enjoyment, I just find out. I want to see who's the levels are. He took the most of anything, you know, right? See if there's any hollow testing in there or something. It would be fun to see like what because Jiu Jitsu is an open steroid using event. Have you heard of the enhanced games? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was reading about that. I'm having those guys on.

1:32:06So the enhanced games is this, they're going to allow all the athletes to take performance enhancing drugs and that the idea is like we should have athletes perform to the best way. I mean, I'm putting words in their mouth, but that's scientifically possible. And the best way scientifically possible is like, like here's a, for instance, like this Ryan Garcia fight, you know, Ryan Garcia, he beats Devin Haney spectacular fashion looks amazing pops for Austrian very low doses of Austrian, which are not going to affect him in terms of performance enhancing ability during the fight itself. I don't know how we took it or what he took it.

1:32:47I know people have gotten Austrian accidentally sugar shawnt on Mali got it through tainted supplements. They proved it. It's more than once that's happened. Yo, well, yeah, I sued. Yeah, which is if you think anybody would not be fucking natural, that guy, how does he still look like he does? In the Cuban fucking athlete program. That's how he's grappling. He's taking a grappling match in Britain against a grapple of own lives. So we'll see. Have a grappling. Oh, it's a beast. That's very interesting. Who do you think takes it? That's a good question. It's a very good question. I mean, I think Yo, well, was one of the very best Cuban wrestlers ever.

1:33:24I mean, he's a fucking tank. Yeah. Well, silver medal Olympics, Adam, side to have beat him, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's a monster man. And physically, he's just such an imposing force. Like Luke Rockhold said that it hurt. Robert Whitaker said the same thing. He said it hurts when you hit him. So he's made out of metal. He probably hurts when he kisses you as well. Every knocks you out. Yeah. That was rough. That's a rough way to go. Well, you know, Luke likes to talk shit. You talk shit to that guy. I know you. He did the salsa dancing for the press conference. That was the best, too, picking women out of the crowd.

1:34:00I wanted to take a missus. He'd be like, fuck it and sit back down. I know exactly. That guy's such a fucking animal. I mean, I really wish he'd gotten into MMA earlier in his career. It would have been amazing to see because I think when he entered the UFC, he was in his late 30s. Yeah, he's like 46 now. He's 46 now. That's crazy. He still looks amazing. That's Randy Katoa. Yeah, but like he doesn't look 46. Like Randy looked like a strong 46 year old. I need that Cuban stack. Yeah. Yeah. His stack is not, I mean, I've told the story before for people who have heard it. I'm sorry. But one of the things that happened to YoL when he got injured, he fought in the UFC and then they brought him to a doctor.

1:34:38He had an orbital fracture and some other issues. They brought him to the doctor and the doctor said to the UFC, he said, where did you get this guy? And he's like, yeah, he's amazing, right? He goes, no, you don't understand it. He goes, I've never seen a human being like this before. The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person. He said his orbital bow and his already healing. So this guy is a freak. How do I get to that level? I think you got to be born in Cuba. And that's a genetics. That's a mess around. And a shitty convicts genetics in Australia. I think it's, I just wonder what they do in Cuba for their athletes.

1:35:18Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, without casting any aspersions, his terms of performance enhancing supplements. Is anyone willing to find out? Yeah. Go there. Ask them. I don't know. I don't know what they did. But I mean, the guy's like Wolverine. But he's also a genetic specimen. I mean, there's only so much you could do with steroids. I mean, that guy. I know, I've tried. You don't even live weights, which is so crazy. You're taking steroids without lifting weights. I mean, from time to time, you know, just no good lifting program. If you pull up here and there. Yeah. Yeah, with that, I don't think steroids are going to, well, they're going to help you recover and train.

1:35:53Yeah, it definitely helped your well -being, I think. Yeah. Well, if you're training 365, that's the argument, right? If you're training 365 days a year, like, that's also the argument for like, Tour de France. You know, I've heard it argued from people that really are experts that you're actually healthier to take steroids and performance enhancing drugs to do Tour de France than you are without it. Because your body just can't recover without it. It's just so grueling. It's such a brutal race. It's a reason why so many of them are blood doping, so many of them are taking EPO and testosterone.

1:36:25I always wanted to try EPO. Actually, like, some people criticize me for putting, saying I take steroids in YouTube, but my, like, the way I look at it is the kids, the next generation, they're going to take it anyway. I at least want to put out, I put out my exact stack and I just want to send it out. It's almost like, it's like drugs, just saying, oh, doesn't work. It's like, I want to let them know I'm taking a safe amount of deducted guidance and that it's not a mystery where they think I have to take one gram a week and all this stuff to compete at a high level. So it's like a middle ground.

1:36:55Obviously, you get criticized for it, but it's like the other option is they don't know what a high -level athlete's taking and they fucking ruin their body taking crazy dosages. Well, it would be interesting, like, what would you just do look like if steroids weren't legal? I mean, one of the things we found out when you saw it came into the UFC, even though there was previous drug testing, it was really only during the weigh -ins, which is kind of just an intelligence test. It's all it is. Like, when you look at Alster over him versus Brock Lesnar, the idea that either one of those motherfuckers is clean is crazy talk.

1:37:27That's crazy talk, especially Alster. I mean, Alster was, he fought, when he fought 205, when he fought, look at, like, back when he fought Chuck LaDelle, 205, and then look at him at 265. He gained 60 pounds and he looks like a fucking superhero. Uber him, like, those days, like, when he won the K1 Grand Prix and when he won the beat Brock Lesnar, he had a higher in stuff. Oh my God. I love it when they said the old days, it was an intelligence test, because many guys still failed that intelligence test. Well, you know what it is? You know how it is. Like, you're in gyms, you have gym bros that are coaching you, they don't really know what the fuck they're talking about, but they say a lot of good, big words.

1:38:03Yeah, they can do that. And you guys have to pass a test. And you rely on these meat heads to try to pass a test. You need a big to con say on the line. Well, there's people that have those people. I'm sure there's people, I'm just guessing, just throwing it out there, but I don't think everyone's clean. I think there's probably some really sufficient, there's so much money involved in MMA now. There's probably some really sophisticated scientists that are working with elite athletes and they're developing protocols that are either undetectable or they have a short lasting, which is probably why you saw it wakes you up at 6 o 'clock in the morning.

1:38:40The idea is to catch you while it's still in your system if you have short acting stuff. Yeah, look at test propy and ate or something like that. What a nice. Yeah. Like, weren't they doing that in baseball? They were taking testosterone gummies and the idea is that they metabolize so quickly that you get their effect of them, but then they're out of your system by the time you get tested. I tried those, it tasted like shit, you know? Well, I don't know if they didn't think, but... I mean, it's fucking gummy with testosterone and how could it taste good? Throw it out of the tongue. What is a taste like?

1:39:13Just bad, hey. Like chemical? Yeah, like it's just there a while. I remember I was showing to get legal steroids in Australia when I was coming up and I just couldn't do it. My doctor gave me the testosterone gummies and I was like, fuck this shit. It's like, I felt like I wouldn't work. And Australia was what are the laws like? I mean, here, I think any GP can prescribe testosterone in Australia, you have to be like an endocrinologist. They added a layer to it and they're hard to see an endocrinologist that's going to give testosterone to a young healthy dude, you know? Right. Guys back there would do sort of crazy shit like they're not sleep for a couple days, they beat off a bunch of times, trying to crash the levels, go get the blood check.

1:39:50Dr. Zagdala, your test is low. Yeah. Well, another thing, the problem with the test being low, this is what they found with when they did it, they had testosterone use exemptions in the UFC for a brief amount of time, a few years. And those are the V -Tor bell for years, you know? And the problem is when a guy's done steroids his whole life, his endocrin system is fucked up already. So you go in there and they test your testosterone level and you're like, wow, your levels are super low. Like, you need testosterone. Like, thank you. But the reason why they're low is because you've been on steroids your whole life.

1:40:21Yeah, your body doesn't, doesn't make it anymore. Yeah. I mean, you went, you look at V -Tor from the early days, like V -Tor in UFC 12, when he fought Scott Farozo and Trey Telegmin, he weighed like 200 pounds, you know? They used to call him V -Tor Gracie back then, I don't know. Victor Gracie. Victor Gracie, I was training at school. Why'd they throw the C in there? I don't know. It was okay. Okay, Victor. Yeah, it was, I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't know why they did that. And I know that I think they were threatening to sue him if he used the Gracie name. I think, you know, some protective of that shit.

1:40:55Yes, I think it was Orion. Orion was very, representing, yeah, would you get that? Some brand sanits me, I like it, though, it's dope shirt. I should remember the name. He was the fucking man, huh? What's its name? The shirt company? I feel bad for him. Oh, fuck it, people find it. Is it on the back? Anywhere? The label? Can't say anything. Let's see if Tag. Label us. Was it saying the bottom? Was it there? Is that the name? What do we got? Was the bottom say there? Oh, just says Hixing. Hixing. Oh, man, I feel bad for him. By the cool shirt, honoring the OG. Yeah, it's pretty dope. He is the OG.

1:41:33He was the fucking man. Cool motherfucker, yeah. Do you ever train with him? I've never trained with him, never met him. Really? Interesting dude, man. Very interesting dude. I got a chance to watch a Colosseum, remember when he fought Funaki? Was that his last one? Yes, yeah. I got a chance to watch a footage of that with him in his house. Oh, the guy came to the gym, right? Was it the gym challenge? No, I didn't watch that. He didn't show me that. Someone's gonna have that. He's got it. We're gonna get that. I know, I'm like release that, bro. Why don't you release that? That was Yoji Anjo, right?

1:42:10Yeah, yeah, he came to the challenge match. He just beat the fuck up. He taped up his knuckles with duct tape and beat the fuck out of them. That's what I thought. Yeah, and he's like, if we are competing, when you tap it, it's over. If we are fighting, when I'm done, I'm done. I decide. You just beat the fuck out of that dude. That's some scary shit. I feel sad for him now. He's got Parkinson's, right? Who does? I believe Hicks and Dust. Does he really? I believe so, yeah. No kidding. I didn't hear that. Yeah, I saw a cure, a greasy announcement about it. See, I always wonder, because we talked about Freddie Roach.

1:42:46That's trauma -induced Parkinson's. And Hickson didn't get hit a whole lot in his career, but he did get hit. You know, I always wonder. Yeah. Hicks and Gracie fight against Parkinson's. I'm not scared of death, but quitting is unacceptable. Rolling Stone magazine? Whoa. This is Rolling Stone? That's crazy. That is crazy. That there's a Hicks and Gracie article in Rolling Stone. That's amazing. Wow. Fuck, man. Parkinson's. I hope we get a crown back. I hope so too. You might come back to grappling, maybe. Well, I mean, his last fight in MMA just looked like he was just trying to pull guard and work off his back and it's just he just didn't look like he's prepared.

1:43:34I don't know a place he could do that, not. Yeah. Do you think he would be willing to, I mean, he was such an elite grappler. The Gary Tonin match. What a fucking match. That was holy shit, man. Crazy as shit ever. That was before Gary was training with the Donner or Desquad, right? Wasn't it? I mean, good question. If we saw the match, we'd see who was in the corner. Because there's definitely before the leglock days. Yeah. This was a long time. Gary was dominating that fight until the very end. Back in those days was crazy. I still missed Eddie Cummings. I'm like, what happened to him? You know what I mean?

1:44:10I mean, what did happen to him? That guy was good. I've tried to catch up with him a couple times in New York, like, reached down. I just want to have lunch with the guy I'm like, but he's like, he just left the grappling well, disadvantaged. What is he doing? No, I don't think anyone knows. He came back, I saw you in a couple of videos. He came back to Hanzo's and trained a couple times, but I think he doesn't like any meteor attention and like, it's so cool to round on Instagram and he just vanished again. Really? Yeah. So crazy. Yeah, go on. He was an interesting guy. Oh, he was an elite grappler too.

1:44:37Well, he was one of the very best of the leglock guys in the early days. He was scary. We'll copy him. He was a scary, scary dude. Super smart. Like a really intelligent guy. And now, yeah, he ended up with a Tavi of Odain, right? Mm -hmm. Yeah, they started dating when she started training at Hanzo's and I don't know what happened. She could be, I think she could be doing grappling a lot as well. Yeah, she had fucked up knees, man. Her knees were all blown out. I remember trying to tell her to get surgery. To fix him up. Eddie kept bragging and brother not. I don't know, but I think she had at least one.

1:45:13And with no ACL, where that's crazy. Doesn't Nikki have a fucked up knee? Nikki Ryan? Nikki Ryan does. Man, Nikki Ryan gets injured every three minutes. You know the man like, he's made a glass unfortunately. I came back trying within one round, injured him the other day. I was like, fuck, what, how does this happen? I felt bad. It's a bit of a weird scramble, but he just beat JT Tars, the like biggest win of his career. That was a big win. Yeah, he looked great in that. That was beautiful. Yeah, he was trying a real serious for that. But doesn't he have like one ACL that's gone? Yeah, yeah. I remember he tore his ACL and the doctors were like, okay, we're going to tempt surgery.

1:45:47Or you can do rehab only. So he just did nothing and just kept trying. He didn't even rehab the thing. I'm like, bro, do something. Yeah, he's wild. That's not wise for the future though. No, I know. I mean, I think he had 95 % of his meniscus removed in one of his legs. Oh, god damn it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure one surgeon was like, I won't do that. You're too young for everybody. You got it done. Well, you know, they do meniscus replacements. Oh, they do that. Yes, they do cadaver meniscus replacements, especially with young people. It's really effective. He works. He's got some mileage in the body.

1:46:22So it's like his knees. God, I hope he does it. Because he can do it and it'll actually take. We got him in this though. He's going after the million. That'll be exciting. Would have fucked up me. There's always something fucked up with him. You know, he's always injured in some way. Well, isn't that the case with so many elite combat sports athletes? It's very rare. Other than boxers, it's very rare. There's a story going around about this NBA player who got a meniscus from a donor. Is that mean it's a cadaver? Yes. Because they don't say cadaver at all in this. No, that's what they mean. They mean a donor.

1:46:53No one's going to give you their fucking meniscus. For the rest of my life, it's a cadaver donor. And like I said, it's effective. It's possible. For I think there's an age where they don't recommend it anymore because of the lack of blood circulation. But I always wonder for who though. Like when they say, you know, you can't do it after 40. But for who? For the regular person who is a 40 -year -old who doesn't work out and is not physically fit or if you did that to say someone like steep Amy Ochoch, like could he get a meniscus replacement when he's constantly training and how much does your age affect blood flow to that area?

1:47:38Like what is the factor? It doesn't make sense. If you still have a great VO2 max, you're still very fit in your super healthy train all the time, you obviously have great circulation. Like I don't understand why at a certain age they wouldn't recommend it. I wonder if it's based on averages. Like you take the average 50 -year -old guy and you give it to him and his knees still fucked up because his body didn't heal properly. But like with peptides, with all the things that are available today and stem cells, I wonder. Yeah, it's going to be some things you do to stack the deck and you get a favor for that.

1:48:13So once you remove your meniscus, I have a meniscus was scoped on my left knee and it's always going to be fucked up. There's always like something. Yeah, it's just grinding, right? Well, it's not all of mine is gone. It's only in a corner. But I suffered what's called insufficiency fracture because there's no meniscus. I crashed skiing and I cracked my bones together so hard that it cracked the top of my shin bone. Skating scares me. Skating, snowboarding, sand, and so that's it. That was my last time skiing. I got a concussion. I fucking banged my head off the ground real hard. I was skiing around this corner and this lady didn't know what she was doing and she's like, not every man.

1:48:57And it was, well, you learn, but she was on a fairly difficult trail and I'm not a great skier, but I have good balance. I'm pretty okay. I know how to do it. But I was like, either I hit this lady and fucking kill her or I have to fall down. So I chose falling down and I fucking bang my head so hard. As my head banged, I'm like, oh, that one counts. I was like, that's a real hard. No, it would have been bad. It would have been bad because she wasn't very large and I was, I wasn't going slow. I want to see her on the slopes. It would have been, yeah, bro, that's like a bowling ball. Just fucking flying down the hill.

1:49:39All that weight, the momentum of all that weight. I imagine when you're really big, like my kids ski and they're, they ski so easy because they're light and like, we, we, we, we, but the heavier you are, like the more fucking momentum is coming down. Well, it's in the injury skiing side. Probably not. Yeah, my friend Shane Dorian, he blew his fucking knee out, snowboarding, he hit a tree, torched his knee, how to get it reconstructed and stem cells and all that jazz. And he's good to go now, but it took a long time before it was good and I would imagine you're a professional, you're a professional surfer, one of the best in the world, big wave surfer.

1:50:16I mean, he's a fucking monster. Like I would do everything to preserve my goddamn knees, but he loves snowboarding so much, he's still back at it. Like you're insane, man. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. You'd risk your career. Your career? Well, I think he's kind of, his career as a competition is kind of over. You know, he's just kind of a representative of a bunch of different brands and I don't know if he competes. I mean, Kelly Slater still competes, which is crazy and still wins. Kelly still trains, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Still trains you get to. Yeah, yeah. I suppose that's risky for yourself, because it's, oh yeah, that's got to be risky.

1:50:49It's got to be risky for everything. Like I know guys who play musical instruments and they fucked up their hands and she just said like broken a finger and like yikes. You know, like tattoo out of sedgeons, it's like maybe don't train. Yeah, I mean, if you break a hand and that's the hand you play guitar with and now you've got these fucking gnarly ass fingers and you're still trying to move at the same speed. Yeah, I had some, my fingers. One time I got my thumb stuck up here in grappling and another time my finger got stuck on the ground and went straight up. I remember that. That was in Puerto Rico.

1:51:20All of the toss had broke my hand and I went to the hospital in Puerto Rico. We go to the X -ray. I'm waiting around for hours and the guys like, it's fun. No breaks, nothing. So I leave and then I'm like, my hands fucked up. So I go back and end up getting the X -ray and I can see it's broken. And I ended up getting it treated. I just posted it on Instagram. I was like, any hand surgeons, what can I do for this? And we just spoke about it on Instagram. What did he say to do? I just left it like this for a while. Didn't really, didn't use it too much. So was it a fracture in the sense where they didn't have to bolt it together?

1:51:53Yeah, it didn't have to. It's the same one when people punch a wool or something. Oh, okay. Yeah. The one down here. So that one didn't need anything. But I mean, I just, I was a lot of Puerto Rican stories like that where I was like, yeah, hands not broken. I'm like, bro, I can see it's broken. Not so good medicine over there? No, not at all. Yeah, no, that was a, that was a wild place. Not good for getting antibiotics for staff either. No. Yeah, so I mean, I've had plenty of times where I've gone to the doctor and they're like, this is staff. I need antibiotics. But they don't want to be told, like by some fucking idiot that they're like diagnosing themselves, giving themselves the treatment.

1:52:27So they resisted? Yeah, that was resisted on the A. Really? I've had doctors not give me antibiotics and then it's going to work. And tell you it's not steady? Yeah, like, no, you're fine. Just put some cream on it. Boy. Oh, boy. Yeah. But I get it. They probably have guys coming all the time. Give me this, give me this. Right. But no one's coming in to get antibiotics for fun. Yeah. I mean, that's not like painkillers. No, yeah, it's, I guess I can control them a bit, but yeah. I always have to deal with like people coming in. Oh, I hurt my back. Yeah, I'm my back. Give me some xana. I'm so much anxiety.

1:53:01I can't deal with this. They just want you to freak out enough in the office. Maybe they'll give you something just to calm you down. That's a good, that's a good play. Really depends on the doctor. Because some doctors are just a little loose with it. Yeah, true. I feel like, honestly, the more expensive the doctor, the better your chances are getting what you want. Oh, yeah. I would imagine they probably have some sort of fucking deal too. Like, you know, my wife's mom was a nurse and she would explain to me how the whole pharmaceutical rep thing worked. And Brigham, Brigham from Wasteland, he used to be a pharmaceutical rep.

1:53:34It's like, bro, like the relationship they have with doctors is like, it's so slippery. I'm just getting them to prescribe. Yeah, it's so slippery because, you know, even if they're not paying you and they do pay people, but even if they're not, like, this is your friend. They show up a Brigham is like, I would show up with their kids softball games. I knew everybody's name. He'd become friendly. They want to prescribe your drugs. You're a good guy. That's wild. Yeah, it's fucking creepy. If I'd like us to the opioid epidemic and stuff like that, right? Oh, that's exactly it. Did you ever watch that show paint killer on Netflix?

1:54:09I started by never finishing fucking lazy. Oh, it's so fucked up. How those people are not and jail is insane. Not only did they bullshit people and get people to prescribe these things, but they've ruined. Who knows how many lives? Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions dead from opioid overdoses. And then the amount of lives that are destroyed because of those things, families wrecked everything. And they tricked people. They tricked them into doing drugs that are going to be... They just paid a fine, right? Massive fine? That's enough. Yeah, but not enough. Also, part of the fine was that they were going to avoid prosecution.

1:54:55Like if they paid X amount of billions of dollars, they would avoid prosecution. But I think then, pain killer came out, the documentary came out, the Netflix series. And then they kind of withheld that. I think one of the guys who was the main guy for the FDA that was responsible for green lighting, oxycontin and oxycodone. That guy, they found him. He was in a small town in New Hampshire. He's hiding away. He's hiding. Yeah, I mean, they paid him off. This fucker was out there roaming around and they found him. He's like Epstein's girlfriend, hey. Except she's in jail somewhere. Yeah, they got her eventually.

1:55:35Yeah, eventually she's going to get out and she's going to go swimming and drown or something. Yeah, Jerry, Jerry. I mean, that'll be me after this tournament, I reckon, hey. Do you worry about that? I mean, it should be all right. That's not comforting. It should be all right. Yeah, I mean, it's just a bit of friendly competition. It is that, but it's also like you're specifically going head to head. Like if you had done it a month earlier or a month later, I don't think you'd have the same issues. I don't think we'd have the same impact on the sport though. I think you would. We'll do what a month after as well.

1:56:14Well, cool out my buddy. We need another million brothers. Going again. But you want to do it once a year, right? You don't want to do it more than once. Yeah, I'm on the phone. Don't stop. Hey, talking to people about this event and stuff. Got to explain it around the rules set. Yeah. And becoming a promote. I mean, do you have to hire a staff now? Do you have to hire all these people to run the thing? I mean, I'm the ideas guy, you know. My business partner, Seth Palo. I'm like, he's doing all the coordination and stuff. But me, I'm just talking to the athletes coming up with the roles sort of.

1:56:42So he does all the coordination, like hiring the staff, making sure the event is well run. Because I would imagine if you've never run an event before, like that's obviously you can't call Abu Dhabi and ask for tips. You can make. You call it. I should. You call it Bravo. Yeah, I spoke to him. He loves it. That's like, you know, very excited about it. Little hat tip to him with the name as well. Yeah. I think having something where there's more money involved is always good. It's just like the timing of it. It's like when to do it. I just, if you'd asked me out, I said, hmm. Are they still going to watch the finals, you know?

1:57:16Yeah, true. They still got to watch finals. They get to watch the finals. But you won't have the same people competing. Because if they're going to compete on Friday and Saturday, that precludes them from being able to compete in Abu Dhabi. I mean, yeah, for sure. Do you want to go Maddo and 10K or the million? That's right. That's the argument. That is the argument, right? And it's certainly, look, competition is almost always good. Even when people don't like it, it forces them to up their game. And I think at the end of the day, it's going to be good for the athletes and good for the sport because it'll make people more and the beef, the beef, you know.

1:57:53Two pack biggie. I'm going down in Vegas. Like two packed it. Remember how both of those guys died, though, by the way. They died very badly. Yeah. Two -pock and biggie. It would have been better if two -pock and biggie just kind of worked it out. I mean, even like Drake and Kendrick. But that was entertaining. But Drake's house got shot at. You know, like someone did a security guard get shot. I think he got shot, yeah. And then... But we got some good music. Sort. Security guard. I mean, yeah, yeah, someone. It seems like the songs are good. I just find it foolish. The beef. Mm -hmm. I'm not beef guy.

1:58:27I feel like those guys could have wrote banging songs. They both put out four songs each, you know. It's like... He's that creativity and just... Yeah, I guess he'd be driven. I mean, I get it. I get it. It's part of the culture. I get it. Don't get me wrong. Like I like roast battles. Love them. Yeah, I love them. Do comedy. They should have done rap, right? Yeah. So the pay per view was... That would have been amazing. Yeah. That would have been amazing. Yeah. Rap battles are awesome. It's just, you know, it's another opportunity to write. It's another opportunity to create something. And it's high pressure.

1:59:04Yeah. So in that sense, this rivalry between ADCC and the CJAI, you know. Just won a Australian idiot. That's the city, you know. Let's see what I'm going to say. Yeah, versus a monarchy. A monarchy, yeah. I mean, I still love ADCC. Love the history, you know. I think you can watch that away. It's amazing. Yeah. Do you think you could ever compete for them again? I think that's over now. I mean, I wouldn't do a 10k. I don't know. I mean, who knows? I'm the doors of anything. I don't take any of this stuff too seriously. You know what I mean? A lot of us just find on the internet. Like, I don't really, you know, like, fucking around.

1:59:44Have a good time. You know, like, I'll do anything for the rap press. So it's like, if the spectacles, they have people interested in that. Right. So you would go back if they would have you back. For sure, and ultimately what I want and what I wanted from day one was just athletes across everything in G2 to be compensated just a little bit more. You know, because again, we don't have the prestige. So if they had ramped it up from 10 to 20, you would have done this. Wouldn't have done it. Really? Wow. Boy, they're probably going fuck. So yeah, I just, that's, that's really what sort of kicked it off.

2:00:15But also I wanted to do like, this is opportunity to start up on profit and stuff. So it's like, gives me opportunity to get back in other ways. So with your this attitude about not taking things so seriously, do you think you and Gordon would ever bury their hatchet? I mean, for sure, but it takes them MDMA will get to the bottom of it, you know? I think he needs it, you know what I mean? Don't you think though that for a guy to be as dominant as he is, you have to be that guy. That's like Michael Jordan in his prime. They said, if you beat him in a game of pool, you wouldn't talk to you for like two weeks.

2:00:49You just, you have to be kind of a psycho. I know, but you see, I guess you see the contrast in some areas like, in my opinion, Volkanowski was that GSP was that, but really nice guys. Yeah, and the silver was out like again, I don't think Gordon's, I mean, it's hard to say what he is, you know, it's like it's hard. I don't know. That well, you know, I know what the image he puts out. I know a little bit of the stuff behind the scenes, but. But you trained with them for years. You got to know him. Yeah, but you know what you do to guys of like you, I can get on the mat. So I don't want to hang out with them afterwards.

2:01:21Fucking weirdos. Who wants to have a conversation with a jujitsu guy? Me. That's why you're here. Some of them, some of them. Fucking some of them are a bit odd, you know. I don't think that like, I love him. I'm part of it, but odd people would make the world go round though. Oh, yeah. I mean, for sure, I'm not criticizing. I'm fucking weird. Look at I'm doing. You're weird. Yeah. Definitely weird. But some people I find cool. He's to talk to. Relax. I know it's just for me as a guy who likes both of you guys. I don't like that. You don't talk anymore. I don't like that you have this beef in it.

2:01:56I've asked Gordon to define it. He doesn't define it. It's very difficult. He doesn't say anything bad about you, but he doesn't define it. I mean, I just love fucking around like Australia. We love attacking each other. Like I say, worse things to my friends and I say to Gordon. You're not. Listen, I'm a comedian. I know about that. So it's like, I just see. I talk wild shit to each other too. Some guys are so good to provoke you. Get a good fucking reaction out of them. You know, well, with comedians, you know who you can hang out with by who can take shit. You know, because like if someone makes fun of me, if it's funny, I laugh.

2:02:27But if you make fun of some people and they're like, hey, like, oh, you get you. You lost. You just fucked up. You fucked up. You take yourself seriously. You got to roll the punches. You just take what you do seriously, but you never take yourself seriously. That's so silly. There's no benefit to that. Because then you don't get to enjoy the laughs when someone makes fun of you. If someone makes fun of you and it's like, if you're watch Kill Tony. Yeah. Well, when David Lucas and Tony Hinchkov go out each other, it is one of my favorite things in life. There's the both so fucking ruthless and hilarious.

2:02:59But if David gets Tony, Tony laughs hard. And if Tony gets David, David laughs hard. They laugh. They love each other. They're really good friend, but they're fucking ruthless when it comes to that shit, when they're roasting each other. But they're having a good time. Like if you roast someone and they get like actually upset as a comedian, all the other comedians will be like, oh, look at you. You're upset at a joke. You fucking hypocrite. Like what's wrong with you? Well, I mean, that's what I mean. Gordon says, bro, you suck. You never want anything. I'm like, bro, I could have told you that.

2:03:32Relax.

2:03:35Is that like that's the, what is the beef though? Like it doesn't make sense. I mean, for me, I'm just having a good time. Like it's like, I'm in a sport of people that take themselves very seriously. Right. And it's just, he takes himself very seriously. So it's just like I'm. So you like picking on him? I like it. Yeah. And he wants him. No, no, no. I mean, like, I mean, like what you say with comedians, you know, if someone's to get a tear down of it sometimes, you know? Yeah. And it's good material. He's like, he's just walking good material, you know? It's like he's provoking me. I mean, well, he would just post something that I'm like, I swear.

2:04:08I'm like, this guy's playing a fucking character. He's a genius, but it's real. Now he's baiting me. I've got to say something. Well, you are probably the funniest guy in Giu -Jitsu other than Eddie. Eddie's hilarious. Eddie loves the jokes too. He gets a, sometimes I pass on him some deeper levels of the jokes. And he gets the full story. Loves it. We go deep conspiracy on the Giu -Jitsu jokes. Oh, no, Eddie's, Eddie is fucking hilarious. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met. I'm so glad he's doing stand -up again too. Because I tried to talk to him into doing stand -up a long time ago, like back in 2001, like, dude, I'm telling you, just try.

2:04:43It'll suck at first, but just like it sucked when I learned Giu -Jitsu. You suck at first, but you have the ability to do it. I've come, yeah. Now he took a long time off it, but when he was teaching, he would teach classes and especially seminars. He would have like material. Oh, yeah. During seminars, it was hilarious. And then he's like, I think I'm going to comedy again. And so teaching seminars. That's what I do. I'll say the same joke. And then I'll look at him and I'll be like, fuck that guy. I was at another seminar. It's the same thing. I'm like, he knows. He knows my tricks. Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem with jokes.

2:05:15If they already know the jokes, it's like a little bit of an issue. And I'm like, fuck if I said this a few too many times now. Yeah. Switch topics. Yeah, you got to make new stuff up. You got to make up new stuff for seminars. When you go and do seminars, do you find it? It's a lot of MMA fighters that are wanting to learn Giu -Jitsu. Is it just Giu -Jitsu guys? Is it a mixture? I mean, nowadays, like, man, it's like such a variety of people. Like, sometimes even beginners, like white belts will show up. And it's like, they're just coming to hang out, you know? Like, I love doing seminars all around the world and just meeting the people that are doing the sport, you know?

2:05:50And like, I keep met a really affordable price. Because I always remember when people would come to my city, like, sometimes the seminars were so expensive. I couldn't afford it. So I just insist we book a big venue. We keep the prices low. And I just get to see who from that country is participating. And the sport, you know? I just love it. Is that you enjoyed that more than competing now? Just going around and doing seminars? I enjoy, like, like, oh, aspects of it. You know, like, obviously too many seminars exhausting. I've done, like, back to back to back to back. I like the seminar to be 30 hours and then out of there.

2:06:20Otherwise, it's too much social interaction, you know? We probably also don't absorb anything after three hours. It's like, I don't have to roll. Like, I still run the gauntlet. I try to roll as many people as possible. That's how to do your hair, right? Are you fucking trying to kill me? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sorry. You paid to come and you liked me. What are you doing to me? Yeah. I like, like, I'll be hung over, jet lags, and it'll be like, I'll be due. I'll do, like, sometimes one hour, one and a half hours straight. You go every three minutes. Oh, God. And I'm like, what are you doing to me, but it's fucking one hour in and you're trying to kill me.

2:06:49Yeah, after a while. Test your patience. That's like meditating, you know? I'm just like, all right, not kill this guy. That's one of the legendary Hicks and stories that Hicks would do a seminar and then take all the black belts there and just tap them one after another. I try to do fucked up shit to people though, you know? Like, just crazy stupid submissions. You know, that keeps entertaining for me. Crab walks. Yeah, the Boston Crab? I love hitting a Boston Crab, eh? I'm like, you will remember that forever. You see that one guy who didn't never make? Yeah, he is. Yeah. So crazy. Man, that would hurt.

2:07:19I've never been put in it. Yeah, would have, is it a flexibility thing or a spine thing? I think it'll break your spine. Yeah. I do it to people from Mount, but I give them Mount and then I put my toes in the armpits, take them over the top, bust them, Crab. That's the fun of the seminars, just hitting fucked up shit on people in front of their friends. I think that's the most enjoyable thing. Yeah, here's the dude who did it in MMA. How did he set it up? Jesus. He just climbed over the top. He got his legs. The other guy looks like he's fighting for his life and nothing's happening. Well, the other guy looks a little out of shape too.

2:07:54He's just a little nookies to the face. It's like he's already ready for it. It almost looks fake. I don't think it's fake. I think it's just a low level MMA show. Wow, that's crazy. Fuck that guy would never hear the end of that A. I remember a guy used to train with, he actually sponsors me and he had MMA fight and he tapped. He won for three rounds and a minute to go. I think 30 seconds to go. He crossed his leg from back and then I'm going to do something. And I fucking remind him of it to this day. It's been years. That is a crazy submission. That hurts, you know. Oh, it hurts like hell, but you got to imagine like if you're winning the fight.

2:08:31I don't think I've ever seen an MMA fight where someone tapped to that. I'll send it to you. But guys do it. Guys do it. Even Hicks and did it when Hicks and submitted Funakis crossed his legs. He just rather have the squeeze and if the guy threatens it he'll let it go. Yeah. Sometimes I think it's about being relaxed. It's like if you're doing this, they can catch it really tough. And she ankles are relaxed. Sometimes they slip off the top. Right. I think relaxing in those positions sometimes helps. Also being hyper aware of when the guy lifts his leg up to try to lock it. But yeah, I've had it done to me before.

2:09:05It's fucking horrible. People try to do that to me at seminars like that. I'll try and play around and then catch me with some shit. I'm just like fucking relax guy. Fuckin. You have to always be aware, right? Because you're dealing with people trying to get a reputation. Should I break my legs? Have you ever tapped at seminars? Yeah, tapped. But I'll give them a couple more so that I don't believe it. You know, their friends believe they get me once, but not three times. What do you mean? Like if a blue belt taps me to seminar, one time maybe people believe. So you let them tap your couple times?

2:09:32Yeah, a couple more. Oh, so you throw in a few fake taps? Yeah, fucks the story of mine. I tapped Craig Jones three times. Yeah, once maybe. And they're like, wait a minute, I tapped you. How the fuck you tap and Craig Jones? That doesn't even make sense. Take the story away from him. What have you ever tapped to at a seminar? Actually, I had a seminar at Kenan's gym and I got a meal in a North South. But I tapped at seminars from time to time because I fuck around. I'll give him a mount, give him a back, mount a bow. And then I'm always like, guys, I'm going to give you positions. But like, if you get it, I'll tap.

2:10:02Like, relax. I don't try to do it. Yeah, I got shit to do. Yeah, I don't know my neck. Yeah, they try. Yeah, some of the guys try to kill you. Necks are a bad one too, man. When you get a hurt neck, like, errr. Like, when guys get like, Al Jermaine got his disc replaced in his neck. And I was like, ooh, and your neck is gone. Like, that's a fucking creepy one. That's crazy, yeah. I think I just retire at that point, you know? Chris, why haven't got his dick replaced? I think he got his disc replaced as well. I think he got the same thing. And there's a few guys who have had disc replaced in their back and in their neck.

2:10:37You know, they can do that titanium articulating disc now. Where it allows your neck to move pretty normally. But, you know, how long has that last? I just tap to everything and not putting much effort. And I feel like he's my body safe. You know what I mean? Like, if I'm training and the guys go and hide, I'm like, alright, you got it, right? Yeah. I'm like, let's just... That's smart. That's not any ego thing. You have a healthy ego. I'm just like, who cares? You know, like, it's like... Yeah, that's the point, you know? Well, it's definitely better than going out, like, you know, Vinny. Vinny Magalais, letting your fucking leg get destroyed like that.

2:11:13If you can just relax like that and allow yourself to get tapped, you will save so many injuries. I control the security footage and the cameraman though. So, you know, like, I make the footage disappear if you get something. Oh, and you're Jim? Yeah, that's where you're showing off. Get to late that, bro. That's the problem, right? Guys want to release footage. I want to sell it. Hey, like, if people come to Jim, I'm like, bro, let me tell you. Give me some money. Yeah. You can take it home. Well, listen Craig, good luck on this. I really hope it works out. I hope ADCC isn't too pissed at you.

2:11:44And I hope you've started a trend. And I hope this isn't going to look at that. The bowl. I hope it... 80 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes, and 47 seconds until it starts from right now. That's not reassuring, that's close. Yeah, it is. 80 days is not a long amount of time. But I hope it works out. And I really hope that it elevates the sport. And at the very least, it's getting some eyeballs on the sport. Get some new eyeballs for sure. Yeah. And thanks for letting me talk about it. My pleasure. So tell everybody how to find you on Instagram and how to find the website for the event. Oh, yeah. Craig Jones, bj .com.

2:12:22We'll sell tickets to this. Sorry, Craig Jones, bj, for Instagram. UNLV .com is where tickets will be up on the 31st. So at the Thomas and Mac website. Thomas and Mac website. And then Fairfights Foundation is the website with all the information. That's what we saw there. And CJA official is the Instagram page where it's meant to be professional but it's going to be mostly memes. Mostly memes? Mostly memes and jokes. Okay. We had a spelling around the poster we left it. You know, I was like, fight, we fucked up, we'll commit to it. All right, beautiful. All right, man, well good luck. And make sure you count all that before you leave.

2:12:57Yeah, so I'm just going to fight it right. All right. Thank you. Bye, buddy.