JRE MMA Show #161 with Khalil Rountree Jr.

25:00They're making people. And that this is what happens. And then as time passes and this society, if it survives, doesn't kill itself, gets further and further from the sun, it has to develop the technological ability to keep the planet hospitable. And then it goes even past that to the point where they develop these things like Dyson spheres. And then develop the ability to manipulate their environment, create black holes. They develop the ability essentially to create new universes. Just ultimately over hundreds of millions of years or whatever it takes. So he explained this and then someone you said stepped in and kind of like...

25:36No, that, no, that he didn't correct. Oh, okay. Because that's just a theory and it's a fascinating theory. And Terrence has a lot of really interesting ideas, but that was one of the most interesting ones. So that like every solar system, the reason why we see it here and the reason why when they look at the like the web telescope is found a bunch of these planets are in the Goldilocks zone. And he thinks that this is just a normal occurrence. Wow. That these planets, as time goes on, our planet is getting further from the sun. And eventually the sun will burn out. But as time goes on, as our planet gets further and further from the sun, it's not going to be hospitable anymore.

26:10It's going to get to a point where it's like Mars. And Mars at one point in time was hospitable. Mars, they think Mars had water on it. Mars might have even had life on it. We don't know. But it could be billions and billions of years ago. Wow. Yeah. So this theory is pretty wild that like all this stuff is just basically particles that eject from the sun and that eventually coalesce and form a sphere and form a planet. And initially these planets are like very close to the sun and they're you know, insanely hot. Yeah. But as they get further and further out, they reach that Goldilocks zone. And that's when they start developing life.

26:45And then ultimately develop a very highly intelligent form of life. Wow. Yeah. Do we know where this theory like came from? I think that's Terence's theory. Oh. Terence has 97 patents. What does that mean? I don't know. Because apparently people that have explained it to me say you can actually just file patents and the people that are working in the office. They're not sophisticated enough to know, especially in various disciplines as to whether or not what you're saying is real or actionable. It's like, is this something that you could really have a patent for? But they'll let you file for the patent.

27:19Okay. So it's one of those things. Yeah. Wow. But the idea that every solar system eventually has a planet that gets to that spot where it's just enough so it gets water just enough so it has like all of the things that's necessary for life. And then if you want to get really crazy. Then you think that the planets that are farther and further out that have the super intelligent ultra advanced species. What they do is they come back and they help us. They come back and then fucking pick up the pays boys. You know what I mean? They give us a little crash UFO here and there. They give us a little this.

27:59Give us a little that. Maybe even manipulate us. That's the ultimate theory. The ultimate theory. I mean, that sounds kind of cool. Well, it's just like Carl just like Carl. Yeah. It looks very different than a fucking wolf. Right? We look very different from all the people on the planet. Like there's so many varieties of humans. Yeah. We're very similar to dogs in that regard. And that we can all breed with each other. But yet we look very different. So you can take like a golden retriever and they breed them with a poodle or a laboratory. You make a laboratory doodle. Yeah. You know, but they're still dogs.

28:31Yeah. Right? But they look very, very different. Right? Well, that's only dogs that are like that. Right? Like fish, bass all look like bass. Yeah. Zebras look like zebras. There's something about us that's fucking real weird. And you get attributed to climate and different environments you grow. And some of those changes have to have taken place from that too, for sure. But if you buy into all this alunaki crazy shit, the reason why we are so different than all the other primates is because they introduce their DNA to us. Yes. To like the you created us. And created us out of lower hominids. Right?

29:09Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is so fun. It's super cool. I mean, like, it's so fun to think if it's true. I've looked at some of that stuff a little bit before, but I didn't allow myself to get too deep. Yeah. You can get deep on that. But yeah, definitely an interesting perspective and like way to like kind of break down humanity in a way. Well, we are a mystery. You know, we are the ones who've created this theory of evolution and the fossil record and all those things. But the thing that created it is the biggest mystery, the human brain. The human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years.

29:44And apparently it's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record. They have no idea what happened. Is it still growing or probably probably probably just growing slow. You know, another two million years now might double again. Yeah, I wonder if there's any record of like, I don't know, maybe just the slightest, you know, record of like, okay, it's growing. It's right. You know, wonder for 500 years ago. Right. Now has there been any increase in, you know, the average brain size of everybody today. Like how far back do we have really good records of brain size, you know? Yeah. Got to go back to like Kennedy's house nation.

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32:04I wonder. I wouldn't know. I'm making notes right now. Terrence Howard, I've got to look into this guy more. All I know is just like Terrence is fast. He's acting. Well, he's a great actor. Super great. He's a great actor, but I think he's even more interesting as a thinker. The way he responded, I think, showed a lot of character. The way he responded to Eric Weinstein correcting him on stuff. Because he didn't... He kind of tried to argue his point, but he didn't get upset. He didn't get emotional about it. He didn't get attached to his ideas. It was... it showed. He's a brilliant guy that doesn't have all of the information, but he's brilliant.

32:44But there's a giant difference between being a brilliant person and being a person that has information. There's a lot of brilliant people that don't have any information. Yeah. Which is why... There's people like... I firmly believe that to be great athletics, it takes a kind of intelligence. And you're not measuring it in an IQ, but to pretend that someone is like a Wayne Gretzky. He's not some kind of a genius, you know, or a Federer or an elite MMA fighter. Yeah. You have to be a kind of a genius. Yeah. Because you're navigating this most difficult of world with micro -second decisions get made, training, instinct, discipline, the will to carve out this existence, and all those things, you have to have a fucking truly, truly exceptional mind to be able to do those things.

33:32I agree. 100 percent from... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's doing things at just like a really high level, or like they're doing things differently, or they're like the number one, two, and three in there... In anything. And anything. Yeah, there's definitely a level of... If you're focusing at physics, will everybody think you're a genius. But if you're focusing on hockey, people don't think you're a genius. Or if you're focusing on chess, maybe people think you're a genius. But if you're focusing on jujitsu, maybe they don't think you're a genius. Yeah. And it's kind of interesting, but I think they're all geniuses.

34:01Yeah. I think every one of those people... if they had the physical capability, because obviously some people unfortunately have terrible genetics, and they're just never gonna be an elite athlete. But if you have the physical ability, that's only like a little tiny piece of it. The real piece is the mental part of navigating, not just the training, but the improving, and then the ability to execute under pressure. Under pressure. You gotta have the mental side to even drive the physical side, right? You can be a physical specimen. How I'm built, right? But I know nothing about football. So it's not like I can just, I have to develop some type of brilliance or some type of...

34:42You have to train? I'd have to train. I have to think. I'd have to do all these things. You look like you can play football. That's what I'm saying. I look like I can play football, but my mind's not wired that way, right? So I'd have to do a lot to make that happen. And then obviously there's a lot of football players that look like a beast. But if you get them in the cage, they have no idea what to do. They're not fined, dude. They have a throw upon you. We've seen it. It's so crazy. We've seen it. We've seen guys that, like, they're badasses, but there's a difference between being a badass versus a trained fighter.

35:12It's just a whole different world. And it requires not just physical work. It requires a kind of brilliance. And just because Terrence doesn't have that information, he's a brilliant guy. If you have that information, he'd be even more brilliant. He'd be more relatable to all these other brilliant people. That's really interesting, man. I want to look into Terrence Howard more, actually. Like, this is fun. It's fun. Yeah, I like this. I like to, I want to explore the side that you're explaining to me. I would have never really known. But I'd like to be inspired by that. I'd like to, you know, just hear this guy out.

35:50Well, I had a reporter tell me about him years ago. And then I watched some YouTube videos of him. And one of them, he was at Oxford, talking to them about mathematics. See, like, that's so cool. What the hell? Crazy. The whole thing was crazy. But it's just, you know, we should be inspired. There's a lot of interesting people out there in this world. Yeah. A lot of people that have some really great ways of looking at things and inspiring stories. You know, when you think about what they've done and how they've done it, it really fuels us all. There are one of the reasons why we like sports when we're not even participating in it.

36:25Because it's so inspirational. Yeah. You know, if you watch a great fight and someone wins, you're like, oh my god, that was incredible. You leave, you're like energized. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or magic shows. Comedy shows? Yeah, I mean, honestly. Honestly, pretty much anything. Yeah, yeah. Anything that requires that stuff. Yeah, you get energy from it. You really do. There's a type of energy that we humans get from each other. And I think that kind of energy that we get from each other doing things, that also, it's beneficial to us, like, evolutionarily. Because I think it promotes more work. It promotes things getting done.

37:01It actually fuels things getting done. So, like, similar to like the Olympics, are you watching the Olympics right now, at all? I watched that fucking transgender woman box or box of female box. I'm like, what the fuck are you people doing? What? Oh, honestly, I haven't seen much. Every bar or whatever. And anything that has a television right now, I've been traveling, so I see like, Olympics is on every one, right? But one thing that I've noticed, it's like, it's so weird. It seems like the Hunger Games. You know, like, I was saying, he's like, crazy out there. And just like, all you know, this is like, extravagant thing.

37:35I'm like, this is the Olympics now. Like, why is this? It's so different now than what I remember it being. Well, the Olympics is a giant scam. There's two things going on simultaneously. Okay. You have the best athletes in the world participating in their disciplines. That's happening. And then on top of that, you have enormous amounts of money being made, and none of it's going to the athletes. It is a giant scam. So the kind of people that are putting together that ridiculous opening ceremony, we got a bunch of drag queens in the last supper, and all that, I didn't understand that. Yeah, well, I didn't understand that.

38:10Nobody understands it. Yeah. Because it's not made by athletes. It's not made by the Olympics. It's made by the people that are in charge of putting the Olympics out. So they're the ones who are reaping all the money and sucking all the cash out of these athletes. Got it. Not only do they do that, but then they'll go to places like Brazil, and so if it's going to be in Brazil, they build this fucking enormous place for it to participate in, to all the different arenas or different people do the things. And then after that, nothing. Yeah. So then all the people there who are poor are like, hey, where the fuck did this money come from?

38:46And why didn't you just spend it on the community? Why did you do this? Is volleyball that fucking important? You didn't use that money to help people? Yeah. Bizarre. That sucks. The money they make is astronomical. The Olympics makes billions and billions of money in television revenue and advertising revenue, and they don't give any of it to the athletes. So it just goes to the Olympic Committee. It's just ballin'. Wow. And these are the crazy people that are putting on the last supper with transexuals. That's what they're doing. Was it the last supper? Yeah. I saw it was something that like, fuck it was, something like the Greek nonsense.

39:27They tried to say that after the fact. The lady who was playing Jesus literally said she was Olympic Jesus. She was joking around about being Olympic Jesus. Because she was in the same position. Jesus was in the last supper. She had the halo behind her head. It was, they're being artsy. They're being fun. You know, but it's not, it's not the place for it. Yeah. It's pushing this weird agenda in this place where people are already getting fucked over. The whole Olympics is just people getting fucked over. Yeah. I mean, if you're the best athletes in the world representing your country, at the highest level, the highest level, that possibly, humanly possible, for one, yeah, you should be getting compensated.

40:10Oh, shit. You know what I mean? You should be getting compensated. Yeah. And yeah, I think that there should be something that's more focused on the extravagance of like this moment of like the athletes waiting so long to be able to do this. And yeah, it should be more athlete focused, for sure. Yeah, they just, not so much like a show or this entertainment. They let some wacky gay dude get a hold of the fucking the reins and he decided to do this. And that's what it was. Literally what it is. It's literally what it is. And he just decided to have a guy that, but this is true. This is the actual person that put it together.

40:48That is who he is. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, they know who the guy is. We don't need to name him, but he's just getting enough hate as it is. But the whole thing is fucking completely insane. But my point is the whole Olympics are insane. They're robbing people. They're robbing the athletes. No one is tuning in. There's not billions of people all over the world tuning in just to see a bunch of transsexuals pretend to be Jesus and the disciples. That's not why they're tuning in. They're tuning in to see who's going to win the 100 meter dash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's going to win this?

41:22Who's going to win that? Who's going to win the Sprints? Who's going to win whatever the fucking event is? Who's going to win boxing? That's what people are tuning in. And those people that have dedicated their entire lives to wrestle the Olympic Games, then not getting a fucking scratch of that. That's so crazy. It's nuts. Oh, man. So it's nuts. And there's nothing there's nothing to do about like nobody can do anything about that. It's just pure K. Well, at one point in time, there was probably no money in the Olympics because there was no television. Right. So at one point in time, the Olympics was just about the best athletes in the world competing against the other athletes, the best athletes in the world that was for national pride.

42:01You know, you bring a gold medal. You have a fucking parade when you get back home. It was great. And it was probably very, I don't know what the original, like the one where Hitler was in the 1936 Olympics and he's fucking jacked up on math and he's rocking back and forth. You see that one? No, dude. You're putting me on so much game. I'm putting on this. You're putting me on so much. Yo, I got a guy coming on tomorrow to actually talk about drugs in the Nazis. Like all the crazy drugs that they were doing. They had to be on drugs. All kinds of stuff. All kinds of cocaine. They were getting free drugs.

42:31Math. Yeah, they were doing free drugs. And there was no just say no back then. Everybody's like, what does this do? Keeps me up for days. Let's go. Fuck it. So Hitler at the Munich Olympics is like, he's on math and he's rocking back and forth. He's just amphetamine out of his fucking mind. Just coked up. Just rocking back and forth. Where everybody's watched the Olympics. Show it to him, Jamie. Yeah, we need to see this.

42:58We've played this like, look at him. Oh, my God. Look at him rocking, dude. Look at him going. He's going. Oh, what a maniac. Go in. That dude ruined. He ruined that mustache forever. Yeah. You know, just rocking back and forth. Wow. Back then, how many sports were in, was that 36, 1936 or 38? 36. How many sports were in the 1936 Munich Olympics? Because now there's homes. There's everything. There's everything. And rhythmic gymnastics. Sometimes shooting. Yeah, there's decathalons. I don't know when it started, but there's only a certain number of events. So if they like put a new one in, they got to take something out.

43:37Oh, really? That's why they lost wrestling a few years ago. Everybody got mad because they added like skateboarding or surfing or something like that. Is that always from the case? From the beginning? I mean, not since there's only like 10 games to start with. How many events were in the 1936 Olympics though? I'm just looking. Because I know they may have might have put a cap on them in the future. I don't know if they had a cap on it back then. My point is back then, like in the Jesse Owens days, you know, when Muhammad Ali won the gold medal, like those guys weren't doing that for money. For Ali, it was like a way that he could transfer into professional boxing.

44:16And you know, like with Meljuk Taylor and Pranel Whitaker, those guys got fast -tracked. Mark Breeland, all the Evander Holyfield, all those guys who medaled. The venues for the events they had stayed a lot going on. So they have a lot of stuff, but not as much as they have now. No, no. A wonder. It's, see if you could find how many more events are there in 2024. Then there were in 1936. We'll see if they say that. But the point is like everybody who did the Olympics before television, they just did it for national pride, just like winning the national wrestling. Yeah, of course. You do it just for the glory of it.

44:5432 sports. 39 events and 32 sports, including 28 core Olympic sports, contested in 2016 to zone 20. And then what did it used to be in like 1936?

45:121929 events. Wow. 25 disciplines. So it's slightly less. Got to love the AI overview, right? No, it's just quite instantly. Just quite things. All the things. The Olympics were often considered controversial because they were held to showcase a third Reich and Adolf Hitler's theories of Aryan supremacy. Oh, jacked up on co -freaking. Fuckin' fast. Oh my god. What a fucking maniac. Wow. Nuts. So back, my point is, so back then there was no television revenue. There was no one was making billions and billions and billions and dollars. Yeah. So the Olympics started with, you know, a very pure intention.

45:54Yeah. The pure intention of just, you know, winning, being the best. Be the best for me to come true. But somewhere along the line, it became this fucking enormous business and the athletes never got cut in. And no one's ever spoken up about it, how they? What do they do? They don't have any power. No one has any power. Yeah, that's true. I mean, TV networks don't want to change. They're like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah. They're just stealing money. Imagine if that was the case with the NBA or the NFL or UFC. Imagine if the athletes got zero money and everybody else is driving around. Rolls -roises and living in the woods.

46:30Who'd be crazy? It'd be super crazy. Yeah, you guys are fighting for glory. Yeah. Only glory. It's not about money. You represent your country. We don't study. And it shows that when people fight for money, they don't fight that hard. Yeah. So what? That's the Olympics. They're boxing for zero dollars. They're punching each other in the face as hard as they can for zero dollars. And this moment today, it got punched in the face by a man. Damn. Yeah. They let it transjit. There's apparently two, at least two transgender boxers that are fighting in women's boxing. What the fuck? I don't understand.

47:06You can't understand because you're not retarded. Ask me something wrong with you to understand. Do you think that that makes sense? And all you have to do is say you're a woman. No, but you're not though. I say I'm a werewolf. But when the moon comes out, I stay person. Yeah, I mean, like I want to. I want to understand the, like from their part, their reasoning. This you're a nice guy. You want to think that there's some part of this. Like there's probably some sort of a reason. Oh, if they explain it to me, like, oh, I see your perspective. Yeah, I want to see the perspective. There's no perspective.

47:37It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Because that perspective would gray the line to like, well, why not just let all men compete in women's sports? Well, men would dominate. And that's why you have Title IX. There's a reason why men in women's sports are separated. Because it's not fair. Yeah, it's not fair. There's a reason why the UFC has weight classes. You're not fighting Brandon Moreno. Yeah, sure. Because it's not fair, right? Yeah. All these things are put in place to make things as fair as possible. Weight classes, gender distinction. Historical says they're not transgender. We're talking about.

48:06That's what this says. They may be intersex. Wait a minute. Is this today? This is about them. Yeah. July 30th. It's today. But there is an athlete that they were saying was a male athlete that was compete, Riley Gaines posted it on her Instagram. Says they failed test that came back. Testosterone test elevated testosterone. What does that mean? So they took testosterone. Is it exogenous to why they're calling this person transgender? Are they female to male? Like, they're trying to transition to male? Is that what they're saying? I don't know. What? Okay. What article is this? Out sports. Out sports.

48:46What is out sports? I'm going to somewhere else. But hold on. What is out sports? What is that? What is the... Probably LGBT. Yeah, it's LVGTP. Yeah. It is. So this might be biased. Google transgender boxer. And what is it saying? The big trans boxer started it. They were fighting Paris. Women's events. Yeah. But here it says this is the person. Algeria's in name. I don't know. Say that. And Taiwan's Ling Yu Ting. We're disqualified from that. God. It's pop -ups. The squal -fied from last year's Women's World Boxing Championships after failing gender eligibility tests. Okay. That means they're transgender, Jamie.

49:26That outspourts is a biased website. It's unfortunately. They're... It's kind of propaganda. About this kind of stuff. Oh, man. I don't - All right. Scroll it up. Scroll it up again. So it says, yeah. The person has the XY chromosome. The boxer's chromosome text came back as XY. So that's a male. It says it's alleged. Hmm. Well, at the time of the disqualifications, based on DNA tests, we identified a number of athletes who tried to trick their colleges into posing as women. The association's president, Umar Kremlev, told Russia's task new agency at the time, according to the results of the test, it was proved that they have XY chromosomes.

50:08Such athletes were excluded from competition. So I don't think outspourts is being honest. About this particular thing, because there's outrage all over the place about this one particular person that they're talking there that did test for an XY chromosome. That's a man. I know it sounds horrible to misgender someone and all that good stuff. All that's great until you want to fight women. Or even compete against women. Let's just cut the shit. Yeah, like... When it comes to competition, I guess, yeah, there's a level of like, it's just unfair. Or it can be, you know... So we're denying sandbagging.

50:43Right? Yeah. We both know what sandbagging is. Sandbagging has always happened. You would get it in all sports. I remember when I was a kid, there was a kid that we were in Little League baseball. And there was a kid that was 15, he was trying to say he was 13. This motherfucker threw he. He threw he. He had a crazy fastball on everyone's like, how old is this fucking kid? Little League throwing 80 to 89. Oh, Transboxer, Hergy, Bak, Yandon, Bak -Kyadon. Ames for Gold Medal. This is also from Outsporks, though. Okay, so this one they're being honest about. Right, but they're not being honest about that other one.

51:19As he competes in the women's boxing division, wait a minute, what does that mean? Why are they saying he then? This was the other one. See, they're saying himself in his nation. So this is a trans female to male competing in women's boxing. Because they're saying him. So Out would not be calling this person a male if this person identified as female, but they're competing in women's boxing. So that just means they're juicing up. They're just cyborg, cyborg -ing their way to the thing. He proudly proclaims he's never taking testosterone on the social media accounts. Okay, so he just says that he's a man?

52:03So he's transgendered just by saying it. He's not doing any hormone replacement therapy. Knowing his strong stance against discrimination he faced during competition. So this is just a woman that says they're a man and competes with women. That's different. That's very different, especially if this person's not taking testosterone. That's very different. But the other one has X, Y, chromosome. That's a boy. Congratulations. There's a lot. That's a lot to take in. That's a lot for my brain -to -even process. Well, it shouldn't be about ideology. It should be about biology. You should have biologists determine whether or not someone's male or female.

52:40It shouldn't be like you just decide. This article was nonsense, too. Because you're saying he competes in women's boxing. Well, why? Why would he compete in women's boxing? If he thinks he's a man, go compete with the men. Yeah, it's sad. What I mean by that, it's sad because in today's times, it's hard to stay politically correct. Right. It's impossible. Even now, I'm like, how do I... I don't even talk about this. I know. You get what I mean without getting completely... I don't know what to say. But that's the trick. The trick is getting you so confused by it all that you can't even discuss it.

53:26Yeah. And then you just sort of allow it to happen. And you just go, wow, what's on me? What am I going to do? Yeah. Yeah. What are you chewing on? This is a... Try these. It's a... Lucy's. It's a breaker. Breaker. Those are good. Ooh, it's good, man. The espresso is good. You'll like it. Breaker. Yeah, there's a little thing in it. Crack it. Yeah. Crack it and it has a nice flavor. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's delicious. Not bad, right? Wow. Okay. Yeah. Probably banned from the Olympics. I wonder if Nick Teensban, so speaking of which, we should probably get to your whole story. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah.

54:01So, um, you were slated to fight, um, it was Jamal Hill, right? Yeah. And which was a big fight for you and for him. Um, and explain the story. Explain in your words what happened. Okay. Uh, yeah. So, I was scheduled to fight Jamal Hill, co -main event at UFC 303. At the time, it was when Connor was still, you know, going to fight Chandler. So, um, in preparation, leading up to that fight, uh, I was, how do I even say this? I was working with a company who I like outsourced, like to take care of my supplements and stuff, like, hey, you know, I don't have the time to necessarily like pick what's right for me.

54:59Uh, but these guys, I trusted them. They promised me. And they did your blood work. They did everything. Yeah. Blood work, everything. Like, you know, I trusted them. I've taken their stuff before, past drug tests before. So there was nothing for me to, you know, worry about. Um, and then I, it was brought to my attention, uh, from the owner of the company. He was visiting my house and pointed out something that I was taking and shouldn't have been, but it was sent to me from their company. Um, they mentioned, you know, they sent a letter to the UFC. As soon as I took it, I had to, I mean, I called the UFC, and I was like freaked out.

55:41I was like, what the hell? I didn't know. So this stuff that you were taking was a part of like, it was a stack of things. It was it like, so let me, I want to get this like, I want to get this correct. You know, right? Because this is the first time that I'm, you know, speaking about this publicly.

56:03So the, the most simple way that I can put it is, I was outsourcing my supplements. I was sent a blended supplement that I was not told that I should not take. And the company knew that I'm a UFC fighter, that I'm under drug testing protocol, like all this stuff. So they knew that. And someone from their company sent me something that I shouldn't have taken. And there was no like heads up, hey, this, no, no, no, it just came. And I continue to take my supplements as I've been doing. And then when it was brought to my attention, like, hey, you shouldn't be taking this. That's when I immediately alerted the UFC.

56:52And like, hey, this is DHA. DHA. And it wasn't even, it was in a blended supplement. So DHA was inside of a vitamin type supplement that they sent me. And we should also point out DHA is not even performance in answering. So it's not like you could get any kind of an advantage. It would help your health. It's kind of stupid that it's illegal. Yeah, I mean, there's like, when I looked at stuff from like the WADA list on why they banned it, it just doesn't really make any sense, you know. And for it to have any type of performance enhancing benefits, I'd have to take it for a long time and a lot of it.

57:35And it still wouldn't even probably do anything, you know. Yeah, it's not a steroid to point it. Yeah, it's not like some crazy shit that you take, or also like EPO or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I don't understand if you told them that this was an accident, given the understanding that this is not performance enhancing, why did they suspend you? Okay. So UFC, which is awesome. They've been so helpful, man, like Donna and Jeff and even Hunter, like, so grateful for them. But they had to suspend me. They gave me a two month suspension because my test did come back positive. As soon as I told them, hey, I just tested on May 4th.

58:23So I haven't gotten the results back yet. But this is what I just found out I've been taking. So it's probably going to come up on this test. So keep a lookout. You're like, keep your eye out. So then they're like, okay, they like expedited my test. They called it like, hey, we need this test back immediately, because I was booked to fight. And so I'm obviously, this is like, I'm panicking, dude, I'm like, fuck, like everything could go down. And I fucking didn't do anything. You know, like, now the biggest moment of my life that I've been preparing for is in jeopardy. So UFC expedited the test.

58:59They come back and Donna calls me. She's like, okay, okay. Exactly. Excuse me. Exactly what you stated did show up on the test. So we have to issue you some type of suspension for a failed drug test. So they just gave me two months. But that's completely separate from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Oh. Yeah. So that's what I'm in now. That's the situation. So what are they trying to do? So I'm still suspended under Nevada State. But they still haven't given me the time yet, specifically. So yet today was supposed to be another hearing. But as far as I know right now, it's going to be somewhere nine months or more.

59:53Jesus Christ. For DHA. For DHA. And the crazy end of... So crazy. And so UFC is they're trying to help. And we're trying to get this like, come on guys. Like I'm being penalized for reporting. Self -reporting. Self -reporting something that's not even reformed. And if that's not even my fault. You get what I mean? Like I didn't intentionally do this. So like it's just, it's a really, really rough time right now, Joe. Like it's hard for me to really kind of like keep it together, especially like you were saying. Like I was scheduled to fight Jamal. And like I'm at a point in my career right now where man, I felt like I feel like I'm really damn close.

1:00:36But now I don't know what the hell is going on because I'm being held up by all of this stuff. Yeah, you are really damn close. You're really, really close. And every time we see you, you look better. And I was really looking forward to that fight because I think that would be... That's a giant test. You know, Jamal's a former champion. Yes. And he's going to be angry coming off of that loss to Pereira. Yes. Man. Yeah. So you're in Limbo right now. I'm in Limbo, dude. And how many months ago was 303? 303 was... What was it, mate? Mate. Okay, so here we're in July. And so you still haven't answered yet.

1:01:15And if it's nine months, would it be nine months from the day? Nine months from the day. So you could maybe do December card? No. Nine months from the day of a positive test. I think that comes out... I think that comes out to February. Oh wow. I broke to October, November. Okay. Yeah. Like February. So I wouldn't be able to fight until next year. God damn it. Yeah, dude. And so like... And you're so close. And this is so close. Heated up division. Heated up division. Things are moving. You know, guys are fighting. Dude, I mean, like even to not fight this long, I mean, I don't think people have...

1:01:59Or it does so much for me, financially. Like... Yeah. You know what I mean? Dude, I got mortgage. Like, shit. It's been such a huge thing on... Also momentum. Momentum. Yeah, not fighting. And you're in your prime right now. Yeah, dude. It's... When I even think about it, like... It brings up so many different emotions. You know, like... I do my best to work through them. And I've been training my ass off. You know, like... I've tried to do everything that I can in this time to just stay prepared. And just even know... Even if I know that I'm going to be fighting next year or something like that, like I'm just like, Okay, I don't...

1:02:42I have to stay strong. I have to keep progressing. Right. I have to continue to be better every time. Yeah. I think, you know, every fight. Well, you were... After the Anthony Smith fight, you're just... You're so hot right now. I mean, it's like on that level where like this guy might break through and become champion. You're in that range, you know? Yeah. And that's... I mean, that's where I'm headed. Like, I'm so focused on... Whatever it takes to get to that championship. And that Jamal Hill fight was like the way that I was looking at. Okay, this is my way to prove that I'm ready. Yeah. The only...

1:03:16I mean, hopefully that fight can get rescheduled, you know, because my biggest focus right now is... I mean, I want to fight Alex, man. Hmm. I just... I know that that's going to be a great fight that everyone is going to love. Yeah. And I know that it's a strike or a strike. It's a strike or a strike or a strike. Yes. And I know that I have to, you know, like, yeah, I've got to fight Jamal. And maybe that'll... Maybe like, if that happens first, then that'll still keep me in that position of like talks of like, okay, then now you're ready for it. Who knows what's going to happen? Who knows how many fights it's going to take now for me to get that fight.

1:03:54Right. That's the one to me in my mind that I'm like, that's the one that I want. Well, fortunately Jamal, unfortunately for him, Jamal got injured. Yeah. And so he had a pull out of that fight too. That whole card, that fight switched so many different times. Crazy, right? Yeah. So when you think about, but I think Jamal had a knee injury, right? Yeah, it looked like something pretty bad. Yeah. And so that, who knows what's going to happen with that. That could take him out for many months. Oh, we don't know. I don't know if he has surgery. What was the extent of Jamal's knee injury? I believe it was like a severe meniscus tear.

1:04:31Yeah, something like that. Like a lot of fluid it looked like. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, have you had knee issues? Oh, yeah. When I was 15, I broke my knee and the pit, hardcore pit. Oh, no. Yeah. I was motion going crazy. Some guy had some steel toe boots on and he was just flinging around and he boom, kick my knee and broke my tibia. Oh, God. At the top bone was sticking out. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And then crazy thing. At the time, I was on tour with the band that I was playing with and we were close to like Mexico. So we went to this like shitty hospital like Southern California, like close to the border.

1:05:12And I was only 15, 16 at times. I'm like that. And they were like parents and churns is like, I don't know. I don't have anything. But my leg is the size of football right now. Fix it. So they're like, shot me up with some type of drug and put a brace on me and gave me crutches and they were like, peace. And I had to drive from Southern California to Vegas, which took us at the time through two days because we had to make stops because I was in pain with a broken leg. Nothing had been done. Oh, my God. And we were young. So my friends would stop at like a Walgreens or something, get a bunch of cough medicine, binadriel.

1:05:50Here, drink this. Oh, here. You know, like just try to put me out because I'm in a van with a broken leg. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude, it was crazy. So yeah, I've broken, but nothing, nothing torn or anything like that. So that healed up and you're good to go. Yeah, I'm good now. Yeah. It's kind of amazing when you think of how many fights you've had and all the kicking you do, you've had no knee injuries. Nothing. Wow. No, dude. Yeah, thankfully. I mean, shit, it's been really good. I feel better now than I ever have, like everything's strong. This is great. This is a great time for me as far as just like athletic, like progression.

1:06:28Well, dude, you look so good in that Anthony Smith fight. Oh, thanks, dude. I love that fight, man. I love to that fight. That was one of my favorites. I watched it. I watched it back that off speed when you hit it with that uppercut. Yeah. Woo. I started, you know the crazy thing. Like, I'm glad you pointed that out. I don't know. I think I started that in the first or second round. That was something that I was like doing intentionally. The reason why that's my favorite fight is because from start to finish, I was 100 % locked in, zeroed in. I still remember that fight now as if it were yesterday.

1:07:02So like, you know, that hints to like the, I didn't finish it because I was just locked in. There was nothing like overly emotional. Right. I was in there to eat, man. Yeah. It seemed like it. I didn't feel emotional in that fight at all. Everything was just locked in. Locked in strategy. Yeah. I picked my shots wisely. It was a masterpiece. Thanks, man. And it's one of those fights where there's a certain time in a fighter's career where they make this breakthrough and you go, boy, he's right there. Yeah. Like they're right there where like, I want to see that guy fight all these other folks.

1:07:38Yeah. I want to see that guy fight all these other killers in that division. Yeah. That's where I'm at. Yeah. And that division is, you know, it's interesting because Alex is such a dominant champion, but there's not a lot of compelling challenges for him. You know, it's Ankelaya, who I think is going to be next. I think they're pretty much saying that. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. And then Jan Bhojovic, of course, because his fight was pretty close with Alex. I think it was a split decision. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And he's for whatever reason not being considered. I think a lot of people looking past Bhojovic because he's older.

1:08:10Yeah. Yeah. But you can't. I mean, you can't look past anybody, right? I mean, look how far a glove came. Right. Right. You know, like, and I think, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, you can't overlook anybody. Well, at the elite elite level. Yeah. There's just, there's so many of those. Look, Bhojovic and Jan and rather Bhojovic and Ankelaya fought to a draw. Remember that fight? Yeah. So those guys are like right there. Like there's so many, it's tightly contested fights in that division. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I think I'm not like shitting on anybody or, you know, saying that like I deserve this, anybody over anybody.

1:08:47I just, I'm excited, man. Like I just want to give the fans that fight. Yeah. I want to give myself that fight. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like just for the, for the experience. Like, I don't plan to shoot any takedowns on this guy. You know what I mean? I don't think he plans to shoot any takedowns on me. No. And I think that it's like, and there's really, when you have two guys that strike like we do and that are scaled in, we like, you know, like we're thoughtful. We know everything's precise. It's not just we're not going in there and just slaying and banging. Like as he says button pushers.

1:09:21Yeah. Like he's not that. Yeah. It's two guys that would know, hey man, let's get in at any moment. Yeah. It could end in the first, second, but it also could go five because the bolt of us are fucking warriors. So I just think like, and, and while he's still doing his best, you know, like while he's still at the peak is kind of like, because I'm doing my best and I'm getting to the, my peak and you get these two guys at the highest level and like, lock, that's a sick fight. That's what I'm saying. That's a sick fight. It's not like me. That's what I'm saying. You know, so like hopefully he continues to win.

1:09:58And hopefully I'm not suspended for that long. And if I have to fight someone else in between, like, you know, in between then, okay, I understand. You know, if it's Jamal Hill, if he gets back and they book us a five -rounder and it's like, okay, who's, you know, winner of this can fight champion. Okay, cool. I'm down for something like that, you know. But yeah, man, I'm, they got to work that out. Who is the head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission now? Jeff Mullen? Is it Jeff? I think. Jeff's a reasonable guy, very smart guy. Seems like it. Yeah. Well, I don't know how much say he has on how things get sorted out.

1:10:42Yeah. But he's martial artists too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's a lot of those, a lot of those guys are, you know, I win. I win. So I thought that I was supposed to have my hearing, I guess you want to call it last month. And I showed up in person. Like they allow public comments like time for the so the public can come in the beginning. So I came and I saw these guys and I'm like, oh, I know all of you. You know, in my mind, I thought it was like some crazy thing, you know, like, oh, man, I have to go. So I showed up and I looked around the room and everybody's sitting around this table, like all the board and I was like, oh, I've seen every single last one of you at every fight.

1:11:20Right. So I felt more comfortable and I kind of like let him know, like, hey guys, I'm here. I think that my case is today, you know, they were like, no, it's not until next month. And I was like, okay, well, I just hopefully you guys can kind of look into the facts and just see like, yeah, this is not my fault. Not only not your fault, but not going to help you in any way. Yeah. You took DHA for a couple of months. It doesn't mean anything. Yeah. It's not going to do a fuck not even for a couple of months, a couple of days. Oh, there you go. A couple of days. A couple of days. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way that's going to give any performance and I just hate paperwork.

1:11:57That seems like logical heads would go, oh, clear them. Yeah. Yeah. If you have to suspend it for two months, okay, too much doesn't not that big a deal. Yeah. Let's get a bright back of the hunt, reschedule fight. You know, we got so many big fights coming up after this fear. There's Salt Lake City, which is, I think Salt Lake City is going to be a hollow way in Ilya, Duporia. Ooh. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. And then of course, you're a hollow way fan here. Yeah. I'm not max hollow. Damn, man. Yeah. How about that Gachi fight? Ooh. I was there. I was there. It was crazy. It was crazy.

1:12:29The way that, you know, when people do like the wave in crowds, it was this was like the fucking atomic bomb. Boom. Boom, dude. And then everyone's like, yeah. It's last second, you know, like crazy because it's like, okay, you're watching this fight and you're like, okay, cool. Yeah. Max got this, you know, in the bag. And then Gachi comes and he's swinging and it's like, okay, like everyone's still engaged, right? Because they're fighting. But then like as soon as that hit, boom. Insane. The entire arena. I was insane. And Gachi was just thinking about it like being in that moment. That was sick.

1:13:02It was so crazy. And Max versus Duporia is going to be wide. Yeah. It's going to be great. That is a wild fight. Duporia is a fucking savage. Yeah. He's a savage. He's so savage. Which brings me to what I was going to say about Jamal. I'm very sad that he heard his name. You know, I certainly wanted to get better, but I did not like him taking that fight with you so quickly I have to get KO'd by Per. No? No. I don't like guys taking fights real quickly. I mean, I like it for you. But I don't like it for him. I don't think it's smart. I think you feel okay, but I don't think you're okay. And I think that's Volkanovsky after he got KO'd by Islam.

1:13:39And then a couple months later he fights Ilia and gets knocked unconscious. Yeah. That's real, man. You know, you've been stopped before. You know what it's like. Yeah. It's like you're not quite right for a long time after that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like, when it happened and when they called me and told me that this was the situation, that was a lot of the fans response and then people that I know, they're like, dude, what's wrong with this guy? Like, what's he, and I'm like, honestly, my response to everybody was like, dude, that's none of my business. Right. It's up to him. It's true.

1:14:11You know what I mean? Like, whatever he chooses to do, that's on him. Yep. But I mean, it does, I don't know, to me, it seems like him. I mean, he seems like someone who's very like, fuck it, headstrong. Oh, yeah. You know, that's him. Yeah. That's him. Okay, cool, dude. Do you? I'm going to continue to do me. I mean, it's really interesting. Look, he might be fine. Yeah. I mean, he got clipped and dropped and then he got beaten up when he was on the ground. And he stood right back up afterwards. Maybe he didn't get a concussion. Maybe he just got dinged. Who knows? But like, guys have like, Mercocrocop in pride.

1:14:44He fought Kevin Randerman and he got KOed, bad, real bad. And then he fought again 25 days later. What was it, was all that one? Who did he fight? He fought, you remember? I forget. See if you find Mercocro's record. Then he eventually fought Randerman again and then choked him. Damn, I missed those days. I missed those days. I remember when I first introduced the M &M scene, Crocop those high kicks. Oh, my God. He just folded people. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Oh, my God. Folded people. Folded people to the body. To the body. To the head. So, so we're, we're gonna say, go all the way back. Kevin Randerman.

1:15:20So he loses the Randerman and he fights Kenahara and then he fights Oyama and then he fights Alex, a million ain't go. And then he fights Josh Burnett and then he gets a rematch with Kevin Randerman. But so look at the time. So April of 2004. Oh, these, and then in May. And then in May. A month later. A month later. It takes a month break. Comes back in July. Yeah, bro. They were fighting another month. Fighters August. Then again, an October again in December. And then again February. And then again February. Fight Mark Coleman. Can we shoot? Oh, my God. Those guys were getting after it. And then.

1:15:54Crocop's Hall of Famer, right? Oh, yeah. 100 % 100 % Hall of Famer. And back then, those guys weren't, they were like the whole thing of Pride back then. They didn't get called until like two weeks before the fight. No one even knew who was on the card. Didn't even know. No, they all like it was all like everybody just had a train. Yeah, wasn't it just like the guys were training and then they get a call. And then it's like X amount of money. And then I call. We'll be there. Yep. And then show up. And you a lot of you get paid in cash, right? Yeah, I'll go get that back. Corner man. They're like taping cash.

1:16:26Taping cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did hear stories about that. I heard a lot of stories about that. Man, what a time. It was a wild time. It'd be cool if they were still kind of like that. Like they have leagues that were like that. That would be cool. Well, it would be cool if there was an organization that was competing with the UFC at that level. Yeah, like that pride was at the time. Like Saitama Super Arena. Yeah. That's Saitama Super Arena. I think it's 90 ,000 people. Yeah. It was full. Yeah. Full for pride. Crazy. Nuts. And then, you know, the scandals, the Yakuza, all that stuff and it just kind of goes away.

1:17:00But at one important time, they were bigger than the UFC. It was huge. Yeah. And it was huge here too. Everybody watched it. Yeah. Especially martial artists. Everybody watched No Gera when he was the champ and Fedor when he was going through his prime over there. Yeah. When I got into MMA, I think I watched more pride than I did UFC. Oh, and at the time it wasn't live, right? But like, if I had to go buy a DVD from Z -Records or something, it's like, yeah, of course. I'm going to buy the pride. Sometimes it'd be a pride event and you'd have to stay offline. Because you'd find out the results and they wouldn't air it for a while.

1:17:29Later. Like days, maybe even weeks later. Yeah, that was before I wasn't even that deep into the game yet. I was just watching like DVDs and YouTube videos, I think. And they would have them sometimes live and, you know, be live in America. So you'd have to watch it like four o 'clock in the morning. Oh my God. Yeah. Or you one of those guys. I had a bunch of guys over. But you guys from Jiu -Jitsu came over the house. We all watched it like four o 'clock in the morning. That's pretty sick. Well, speaking of Jiu -Jitsu, I'm going to compete in world masters. Really? When are you doing that? It's the end of August.

1:18:02In Vegas. The only thing that makes me nervous about stuff like that is when I got it. The guy at your level. That's like right there with a shot at the title. Like you're a fight or two away from a potential world championship fight. Yeah. And then you're going to let some dude lay lock you. It's not going to happen. So. Do you see that? No, no, no, it's not going to happen. But I mean, like, so this is something that I'm trying to just do for myself to like, man, I've been training like a dog, you know, and like, what belt do you know? I'm purple. So I've been training like a dog. I feel good.

1:18:40Yeah. Yeah. And I just like, it's, it's not that serious to me, right? It's not like I'm putting everything on the line to go win this thing. It's like, no, I'll do it. I just, I kind of just want to get in there and. Clale, you're a savage. Once you get in there, you're going to be going. Why are you lying to me? Why are you staring at me? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're just straight up killing. Why are you lying to me? I am a killer, but I think, uh, I think it's a little bit different when it comes to like going in here and competing with you. I think for me, the reason why I kind of made this decision is.

1:19:14And I mean, it all, like, it's 170 something blocks or whatever to register. Like, I could just say at the last minute, like, you know, I'm going to do it. But, um, I think it's another way for me to get out and like, and hang out with the fans, dude. Like, you have a lot of fans in the Jiu Jitsu community as well. Sure. And a lot of friends in that community. And I go to worlds every year and, and hang out there. And sometimes I get the itch, like, man, it'd be cool to just, you know, hop in here and have three matches, four matches in a day, like whatever. So that's kind of more of my approach.

1:19:44I just want to get there, kind of, connect with the people. Yeah, I'll throw my key. I'll compete. But I'm not going to get injured. If something's, you know, if something's, if someone's got my leg, ankle locks, something like that. Like, okay, let's maybe I'll tap. Maybe I'll tap. It makes me think about Cubswanson. Remember Cubswanson blew out his ACL on a grappling competition? I didn't know that. Yeah, I blew out his ACL on a grappling competition. I think it was no key. And it was, you know, when, it was a couple of years back, when Cubs was, you know, doing really well. And for sure, it slowed his momentum.

1:20:23See, now you're like freaking me out. I mean, I thought about it, right? The thought of injury came off. I'll tell you right now, don't do it. It's not worth it. Come on, Joe. Listen, you probably will be fine. But if not. If not. If not. Then it's another way. I think videos, people have sent me over the last week of, uh, dudes getting heel hooked where their leg breaks, snaps, like hard, loud cracks. I'll show you something. No, dude, I hate that shit. Yeah, no, I don't want to know it. I don't want to lie. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. Right now is so high. It's so high level.

1:20:57But I don't know. People are like locking in ghee. I don't know. I don't know what, what, I don't think you can like inside heel hooked. There's, there's a bunch of things that the problem is the friction of the ghee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's this, uh, unnatural control. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll give it more thought. The other thing is it's like scrambles. Like, in scrambles, knees blow out. Yeah. You know, because scrambles in the gym and scrambles in training are different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in competition. In competition, yeah. You're, you're way more, like, you're going to push 100 % in competition.

1:21:31More explosive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird stuff happens. Yeah, weird shit happens. It's not worth it if I got shit. You're right there. Yeah. You're right there. You're right there. I'll say fucking don't do it. I was so sure until I had this conversation with you. If I can talk you out and doing it, please listen, imagine you do that. You blow out an ACL. Yeah, then I'm an idiot. Yeah, it makes no sense for no reason. Ah, fuck. Just don't worth it. Okay. I would not be snowboarding. I would not be doing anything. Oh, that's okay. Okay. No nonsense. Don't fuck around. Well, there's no, no reason for nonsense right now.

1:22:03You're right there, dude. Damn. You're right there. You guys heard it, Joe Rogan just talked me out of, thank God I did. I'm glad you got to listen to me. Wow. And the Lord, because you just, you guys like, oh, you fucking pussy. Shut up, Rogan, you fat. No, but here's the thing. Like, I would hate to have this conversation with you and you'd be so like adamant and passionate about like, dude, don't do it. And then something did happen. And then I, well, I'd hate to even try now because I put it in your head. I don't want that to be in your head if you want to do it. Maybe I'll talk to you again and try to like, you know, you're not going to do it.

1:22:35You're going to be fine, dude. You're awesome. I'm sure you'll be in complete control. These guys can't fuck with you. What purple belts are going to be able to tap you? Yeah. But I've been trying to stay, you know, somewhat active. It's crazy that you say like snowboarding shit because I picked up skiing. Oh, last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Super natural. Everything was good. Of course. But thankfully I picked it up at the end of the winter. So I only got like three months in, but I did hit some black diamond runs in Whistler. One that was like the guy told me he's like, oh, this is the one that they did in the Olympics.

1:23:12And I was like, oh, okay, cool. I'll try it. Jesus. Oh, I did really well. But outside of that, I mean, I'd play a lot of golf, dude. Well golf is a good one. Yeah. Now I'm going to get hurt doing golf. Now I'm going to get hurt doing that. So I'll just stick to that. I'm going to get fucking Trump. He's 80 years old. He's out there playing golf. What a maniac. How the hell is this guy? Just shot in the ears. But that's actually one thing that I found out about skiing too because here's the thing. Yeah. Skiing. Anything like that can be dangerous. But when I was out there, I didn't see anybody over the age of 40 on a snowboard.

1:23:50Right. But I saw guys 80 years old. Ski. My father and my skiing. Yeah. You know, and I'm like, OK, I want to pick up things that I can do for a long time. I want to be active now. Like, ever since I made the change, I became a fighter and all these things and my life's changed. And I want to stay active. I think that's very important to like stay active as long as you can. And so I picked up some hobbies because I am an extreme guy. Skiing can be an extreme sport. Yeah. But it can also be very, you know, it can also be very chill. So things like golf and skiing have been kind of, I stopped skiing a couple of years ago because I wiped out bad.

1:24:27And it was not my fault. I was going around a turn and this lady didn't know how to ski and she was kind of like sliding into the trail and I had two decisions. Either plow right into her and fuck this lady up or fall. And I chose to fall. And I didn't have much control over how I felt because it was like at the edge of the turn and I slammed my head, the back of my head bad. Definitely, definitely got a concussion. But also broke the top of my leg. It's called an insufficiency fracture. It's where the top of your shin hits your cartilage. It still fucks with me to this day. And top of your shin.

1:25:01Yeah, it's a crack at the top of my shin, like at the top of my tibia. Oh, that's why I broke my leg. That's why I broke my knee. Same spot. Yeah. Mine was not bad. It was just a crack. But I went to the dark to like man, something's wrong. It's just like it's not. This feels fucked up and they did the x -ray and everything. Oh, you have a crack. Shit. You're cracking your bone. There's nothing they can do about it. They said it'll be OK in six weeks, but I'm like fuck skiing. I'm done. And I was like the rest of the day I was out of it. I tried to get on the ski lift and I fell because I was so dizzy.

1:25:33Really? I tried to get up and I had a hard time getting back up. They had to help me up, like an old man. I couldn't get up. I was like, I hit my head hard because I remember when my head hit, when I heard the bang of my head hit the pack snow. I was like icy snow. I remember thinking, oh, that's a concussion. Yeah. Right away. I was like, that's a real concussion. If this is taking blows to the head before and things like that, you can feel like that. That was like harder than I think I've ever been kicked in the head. It was bang. It's like, oh, fuck, man. And I was just dizzy the whole day.

1:26:08I was thinking about going to the doctor for that, but I'm like, let me just see how I deal with life. Yeah. I don't know what they would do for me other than hospitalized me and monitor me. But I knew I got rocked. How has your training been going? What have you been doing? Well, I still, like I said, my knee still fucks with me. And so that's kept me from doing Jiu Jitsu. Because it's just, I don't want to get injured. You know, I'm 56. And as you get older, injuries take fucking forever to come back from. And I've had a couple of problems with this knee. I've had surgery on it. And then at one time, I fucked up my MCL about when I was about to get on stage.

1:26:47So I was doing these shows with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is in town. I was during the pandemic. And they're bringing me up to stage. And I'm turning the recorder on on my phone as I'm walking up these cement stairs. And I wasn't paying attention because the stairs kind of turn. And I stubbed like the top of my foot as I was like stepping up. And I kind of heel hook myself. And like hard. And painful. Yeah. And then I went on stage and my leg was shaking from the plane. And it looked like I was terrified to be up there. I was so nervous. Show went great. People probably didn't even notice if they didn't, were it in the front row and see my leg shaking.

1:27:24Yeah. So you got this Netflix special thing coming up? Yeah, that's how I'm going already. No, it's live. It's live Saturday night. Dude, I'm like, I know. Where do I find it on Netflix? It'll be on Netflix Saturday night. Yeah, I'm excited to see that. It's going to be fine. I was actually kind of looking at some stuff like knowing, you know, like a few weeks months, a month in advance. I'd be here. I'm like, I want to see some of Joe Rogan's like comedy shit, but I couldn't find a lot of like recent stuff. I'm going to put some of it online today. I have a clip that Netflix sent today that I'll put online.

1:27:54But I haven't done it special in six years because I was supposed to do a special right when the pandemic broke out. Okay. So the pandemic broke out in March. And I was going to do a special in August. And then everything just shut down. I was like, what the fuck? And so, and then I just came here, moved, bought a club, started to build in my own club. Oh, yeah. This so Saturday, nine o 'clock. Saturday, nine o 'clock. Texas time, seven o 'clock Nevada time. Okay. We're going to have a watch party. I might as. Should be fun. Yeah, I'm going to have some friends over. I'll be cool, man. I'm excited for it.

1:28:26Yeah, I've been like in comedy a little bit more lately. It's a good relief for a fighter. Yeah. I'm such a serious guy. That fucking sensitive and serious. You know, I take everything in a heart, but I've noticed that like just opening up and like watching other guys do stand up and stuff. It's really fun. Like just having just being able to laugh about certain shit. Right. You know, yeah. Yeah, actually, after I after all this shit happened, one of the first things I did, Ronny Chany invited me out to a show. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, he was in town. He does jujitsu. I don't know if you know that.

1:29:01No. Yeah, I've only been doing it a few years now. I think he's a blue belt, blue a purple belt. Wow. Pretty good. Yeah. We trained at the PI. We rolled. That's awesome. Super cool. Had some good rounds. He filmed like this little thing that never got released. But yeah, that same same day. He's like, hey, I'm having a show tonight in Vegas at the Venetian. Like come by. I'd love to have you and I went and so cool. That's so fun. Yeah, sure. Ron is good, dude, man. Yeah. Very, very, very, very funny guy. Fight, fight. I love his angry comedy. Yeah. It's so good. It's angry. Everybody being so stupid.

1:29:37So stupid. He's like his napkins part. Like he was like saying something about Americans. Like just always so many fucking napkins. Napkins and like screens, screens. Oh, it's funny. It's very relevant. I love it. Yeah, he's a smart dude. It's a good time for comedy. Yeah, because also whenever the world is about to be on fire, everything's going crazy everywhere you look. It's a good time for comedy. Because there's so much shit to talk about. Yeah. Um. Damn. So now I'm not going to do due to it to. Don't do it. Turn them in. Please don't do it. I wouldn't ski either. I tell you don't ski. You're just too close.

1:30:14Yeah, too close. You're too close to like one of the most important things that a combat sports athlete could ever possibly achieve. Yeah. You're so close. Like the UFC champion is the greatest fighter on earth. It's there's no if -ands or butts about it. In that weight class, the UFC champion is the greatest fighter on work. The only thing that you can contest that is with, okay, one FC has some elite fighters, Bellator has some elite fighters, PFL has some elite fighters. There's guys out there that are really elite that just so happen to have been signed by or other organizations. But MMA fighters at a championship level, you know, ultimately are the best fighters on earth.

1:30:52And you're that close. Yeah, yeah. So just stay, stay safe. Just keep training, man. Keep training. Keep training. Stay focused. Keep improving. You know, every time I see you, you're better. It's obvious that you, I remember when you came back from Thailand, you fought Eric Anders. Yeah, yeah. You love that one. I love it. I love it. Because when you bring me up on other podcasts and you talk about that, I'm like, fuck yeah, you still remember that one. Dude. Yeah. Because I'd seen you fight before and I knew you were good. But there was like something happened. It's like, what the fuck happened?

1:31:20Like this is just monumental. You know, you see like numbers. Like you are, you went up like 30 % or something crazy. Yeah. And then even in that fight, yeah, there was like 75 low kicks landed like things like that. It was the smoothness to it too. There's a technique. It changed me, dude. Yeah, like, I mean, we talked about it. Thailand was like one of the best things for me. And like my heart is still there. There's still a huge connection. Do you go back? I did what I went back after the Smith fight. But I went back for just pure like, let me just get re tapped in. And then I went there and then that's where Mia and I, we got married there.

1:31:57Like here we had a Thai ceremony. It was really cool. Oh, cool. Yeah. So we just kind of like, I hadn't been back since the pandemic. So we went back and just, I needed it, you know, because I'd been focused and just training. Right. So I was like, let me go back home because it feels more home. That's why. That's why. Well, a lot of people moved there just because so have you seen it? I mean, everybody's there now. Yeah. Everybody's there now. So, yeah, it's been cool. I still stay active in that area of home. I've been working on some new stuff. I'm very excited for when I do fight again. Because I know it's just, I know it's a better version of me, man.

1:32:35Like, I don't know. As it, maybe it's like, as I get older and just like, I guess where I'm at in my life. And the mental shift that I've made towards training and the dedication, you've had some moments in the past where you weren't like fully locked in. Yeah. And then, but you've always come back from those and been locked in in the next fight. Yeah. You know, so the thing now you realize, like, hey, this is it. This is the push for glory. I think one, I don't know if a lot of people realize this, but I've, I've pretty much spent my entire career in the UFC. When I got into the ultimate fighter, I had three professional fights.

1:33:10That's crazy. Yeah, dude. I got into the ultimate fighter three, no. I had all my fights in the RFA in the beginning, LFA now. At middleweight. And then ultimate fighter, like heavyweight season comes up. And I'm like, okay, I'll try out. I can make the weight, made it, then got the contract. So all of my fights, besides the first three, have been in the UFC. So like, yeah, there's been some crazy ups and downs, but I feel like now I'm at a point where, yeah, I'm a lot of crazy place to develop. Crazy place to develop. So many guys are coming in now that you have see like 21 fights. 21 fights.

1:33:4615 to no. Yeah. You know, like they've built, you know, they've kind of built their style and they've gone through all the adversity before. And then they get to the big show. It's like, no, you're in a way. Like I was kind of born in the big show. And, you know, like as soon as I got into it, Dana was hyped because of my ultimate fighter performances. So he starts throwing me on like main cards. You know, like, right, right. You know, I'm on the big show. I'm fighting in arenas already all the ship. And then the go -con -socky fight. And then, you know, like, that was a huge win. Yeah, dude. So that was a huge one.

1:34:17Yeah. So go -con had so much hype coming in. It's so much, you know, glory champion K1. Yeah. Go -con was a legend. Yeah. So it's been kind of cool to finally get to that spot where like, I feel good, you know, like I feel good. I'm confident in what I can do now. I know exactly where I'm going. I'm not like one foot in, one foot out. And, you know, I got one thing that I'm focused on and that's being championed. Well, the work showed in the Anthony Smith fight. It really did. I mean, this trajectory that you're on showed that you're on a new level. Yeah, dude. New level. You live for sure. New level, for sure.

1:34:56And you know, one thing that's kind of crazy that helped me for the preparation of that fight because he took it last man 10 days notice. I was scheduled to fight another guy. He got pneumonia, like kind of the week before or something like that. But I did a lot of shooting for that, for that camp. I went shooting and that changed my perspective because I'm not a guns guy. Oh, it was like shooting in a range. And it changed, it just changed a lot. What way? You know, we were talking about earlier how like, like brilliance and like physical ability and like mental. Yeah. I never, I was never a gun guy.

1:35:39Like my dad was murdered. So like from a young age, I just kind of had this like weird relationship with guns. And yeah, I've had guns. Yeah, whatever. Pull on me. Blah blah. But when I made that decision to go and like actually learn from a guy who was a Navy Seal, had a lot of expertise. Had a really good way of like, we spent hours of him just like explaining to me certain things, you know, gun safety, blah blah, different situations, his mentality, clearing buildings, blah blah blah. So I'm taking all this in, all this information and processing it all. And then I finally start to shoot. And the power that I felt from the gun, you know, just like the accuracy that I felt from shooting an AR 15, the understanding of like different caliber bullets made me start to then formulate how I'm going to strike like, you know, like, man, I'm giving him a secret.

1:36:49It's fucking. So even on the like the Anthony Smith fight, like my left hand, I'm like, okay, my left hand is 556. So that's the ammunition for fucking, you know, for AR. So like, that's how I was kind of processing everything. So every time I threw my left hand, I'm thinking of the sound and the feeling of the AR. Real, I was like, boom, you know, like, yeah. So I'm like, okay, like feeling the target, whatever, just kind of like, okay, what do I feel like fucking loading? Okay, load it, you know, like I'm just thinking about every time I shot the gun, every time I shot the pistol, it's like, I was like, really?

1:37:28Yeah, dude. Wow. So like it was it, it really like I was able to kind of pull it from that experience and then bring it into my fight. But then also not only that, I was also thinking about like the things that this guy was telling me when it came to like, when they're in combat, when they're clearing buildings. And so like just emotionally, it's so crazy to do before that fight. My strength conditioning coach Lorenzo, he's a big, big shooter guy. X military, you know, but big, big on shooting, big on self defense. And the day of the fight, you know, like I'm obviously just in the zone and I'm sitting in the living room because I stay with him during camps.

1:38:11We just do it that way. So I'm like sitting in the living room, kind of just shaking back and forth because I have so much energy. And he knows that I've been putting in my experiences from shooting into my training. And it's crazy. I was sitting there, dude, and I have my hood on too inside and I'm just like rocking back and forth. And he comes and he just fucking sets an AR -15 right there on my lap. Oh, wow. And walks away. Oh, wow. And he's just like, just rocking back and forth. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. You know, and then we drive to the apex from the house and then like so the whole thing the other whole time.

1:38:47And in my head, even my eyes were walking out. He's like, 556, 556. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, 556. And then in the first round, he's like 556. And I kept saying that in my head, 556, 556. Bung! Wow. Just fucking, dude, it was crazy. That's an interesting visualization tool because you think about it. That's really how you want your strikes to land. You want them to be almost instantaneous from the time you pull the trigger. From the time you pull the trigger. Yeah. And you like, what's your right hand? Right hand wasn't even a weapon. It was like I wasn't looking at it like that. It was kind of more like range.

1:39:24Really? Yeah, rangefinder. But I'd say like, I'd say that when I did throw the jab, it was probably everything for that was 556. So even my jab, I threw some pretty clean jabs in there. Yeah. But I wanted it to land straight, accurate, and like fast. And so it wasn't like, you know, shotgun. I'm not like, oh, but not thinking like, I'm thinking of the sound, the reactivation, the precision. Instantaneous. Instantaneous. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, not a lot of recoil. Like, blah. Yeah. Sting, sting, like just like that. That's interesting to visualize it that way. You know, because you know, sometimes you see guys throwing punches at a lower level and you see them like grit, swing, and everything's wide and hoping it lands.

1:40:13Yeah. No, I was very intentional with every movement, every strike in that fight. So far, that's my favorite one. Before that, it was Eric Anders, because it was like, oh, got to do some way tie. This one. This one I still got to throw some, you know, tie style type of stuff as soon as like, my posture kind of relax. I remember one of the commentators like, oh, here comes the tie. You know, I was like, okay. So that was cool. But I think the, you know, the weapon kind of mentality for me was, it was nice. That's interesting. Yeah. That's a great way to think about it really, you know? Yeah. It's a great way to visualize like the instantaneous response.

1:40:54Yeah. Yeah. But that's me, dude. Every time, every fight something different. Like, I, that's the art side of me for martial arts. Right. You know, that's how I'm able to stay in this. That's how I'm able to grow. It's more than fighting. It's more than ego. It's more than my dick's bigger than yours. You know, like, I don't, like that to me, that should fuck it. Like that's why it's kind of hard for me to, to like position myself in the right way and like build the fan base and like have the income and stuff like that. I think that, like that could potentially have. Right. I'm more of an artist because I'm using, you know, I need it.

1:41:30Right. Naturally an artist. So I like, I need to find ways to like, how do I express this? So every fight's different because I'm just trying to find a different way to express myself and like what I'm going through and how I'm feeling. You know, that comes out in fights. Art really, it is the right term when people call it martial arts and, you know, people have had arguments like that's not an art. It's an art to people who understand it because when you watch a person land a beautiful combination, that's artwork. Yeah. That's like, oh, it's pretty. Oh, it's pretty. You know, you watch someone land something good.

1:42:05It's like, that's pretty. Yeah. You know, and I don't, I don't see a lot of it as much anymore. I think that's why I haven't, I've been watching fights for different reasons nowadays. You know, like I'm watching, like heavyweight fight, watching heavyweight fight. And I'm just trying to see like, okay, what's kind of the common theme, what's everybody kind of working on. But that's why I used to like to watch, you know, Anderson and Leo do and all these guys because it was just a different time they were bringing this kind of like fresh new look and, you know, this different thing versus. Well, Anderson, particularly, he was an artist.

1:42:40Oh, yeah. When you went in that front kick to V -Torce face, it's like, that was a piece of art. And it's just the timing involved in that and then just the expression, bap, just landing it, setting it up. Have you thought about going a middleweight? I have. When you walk around it. Well, I mean, right now like under 230 over 220. So I'm like, I float in between the 222. So you're not an enormous light heavyweight? No, no, no. I'm probably one of the shorter ones. Yeah, for sure. And I thought about middleweight, but like I've done that Dexascant thing at the PI and my body with like just dense like no water, just bone and bone and muscle is 186.

1:43:24Oh, God. So you got to get to death's door. Yeah. So I've done it like with the beginning of my career and in amateur days, I did light up 185, but it was it was hell. And so now like I like to eat, man. Yeah. And obviously you're doing great. Yeah. And I like to train. I think there should be way more weight classes. I really, really do. I think there should be one every 10 pounds. Yeah. Minimum. That'd be nice. Look at boxing. Yeah. There's a reason why there's a 147 and 154 and a 160. It's because there really is a difference. She's a legitimate in their prime 154 and a 160. Yeah. For sure.

1:43:57It's just that's how it should be. And when you get a gap like 85 to 205, that's crazy. That's too big. Yeah. That's a big gap. That's a really big gap. It's too big. Yeah. And then another 25 pounds. I mean, or you know, 205 to 265 is nuts. This way cutting is trash, dude. I don't like it. I don't I still like. Okay. So I'm well, I walk around to 20 to 30 below. But I still don't necessarily cut weight. Like I make sure that I gradually go down. I keep my food consumption the same all the way through camp. Really? The only thing that changes is my intensity goes up, which causes my weight to go down.

1:44:35Oh. So I sit in the surface. I sit in the sauna 30 minutes maximum. Oh, that's great to lose one pound. So that's why you're so physically from perfect when you're fighting. Yeah, dude. I don't. Yeah. And that's why I like five rounds for me. Like I feel like it's going to be nothing because I train year round. And at the weight when I rehydrate, I'm back up to 225. But what where I'm used to carry my weight. Right. So when I'm doing all my drills, when I'm running and when I'm jumping and when I'm doing all the stuff that I'm doing to get better physically, that same person is the same person that's stepping in the cage.

1:45:12I hate the idea of like expecting yourself to perform at the highest level. But for the last two weeks or something like you're depleting. And then the last day before you expect to be at the height of physical performance, you're dehydrating your body and your brain and everything of everything. That just doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me. It should be illegal. It should be. I honestly like I don't fuck with cutting weight. It's just that's great. You know, like I just don't I don't like it. I don't think that it gives anybody the advantage. I really don't like a guy who's, you know, I'm going to cut down to one 155.

1:45:47Like what do you walk around 190? You're fucking stupid. You know, like it. But yeah, you're going to be the bigger guy who cares. Like you know what I mean? Like we're also going to not be able to take shots as well. You're not going to be able to take shots as well. Long term, like if you really want to do this, if you really want to be doing this long term, it's not going to be good for you. You know what I mean? Like I can only imagine that like at like a smaller level, like or like at a deeper level, it's probably bad for your body. Do you think there's a reasonable way to stop weight cutting?

1:46:17Is when WME bought the UFC. I have a conversation with Ari and I told him, you know what I would do? I was like, this is what I would do. If I was running the show, I'd get rid of weight cutting. I'd figure out a way. He's like, how? What would you do with the weight class? Like a blow him up, blow him up. The stars are the most important thing anyway. No one's going to give a fuck of Alex Petta is the champion at 225 or 210 or 205. No one gives a fuck. Yeah. He's the champion, right? We all know he's the champion. So let's find out what he actually weighs. What do you weigh when you're healthy?

1:46:45What do you weigh when you're healthy and lean like you do when you get down to 206 or 207? When right before you cut the last pound or two of weight? What do you weigh? Let's find that out. And that's what you should be fighting at. We should have adequate weight classes so that like you don't have an elite fighter that's starving himself to get to a lower weight class because he's really not big enough to compete at the 20 pounds above weight class. And this is, I know that one institute is some sort of hydration testing. That's the bullshit. Yeah. That's what do you hear about it? So I can't give like an educated, like I don't have all the facts right now.

1:47:22But from what I've heard is that like it's from the fighters that I have like friends in one, they just say like it's bullshit and there's also like ways around it. Like they can, for instance, like they test your the hydration right in your urine to be able to be like, okay, if you're, if we detect that you're dehydrated, then that proves that you're cutting weight. But a lot of these guys will dehydrate and they'll cut weight and then they'll chug a bunch of water and just hold their piss. You get what I mean? So like just so that one, whatever, I don't know, it's really weird, but it doesn't seem to really be.

1:47:58So the sum shenanigans. There's some shenanigans. I think that one thing that people that they could do as far as this weight cutting thing, just how they randomly test us. We don't know when your status coming or we don't know when the anti -open is coming. Way else too. Yes. And we have to be in between, um, X amount, give us like a 10 pound allowance. Right. You know what I mean? So it's not like you fight at one 55, but when we came and tested you, you're 190. When Alex fought Izzy, he weighed in at 85 and then he made it into the cage at 226. 226. Yeah. Nuts. Yeah. Nuts, which is, it's crazy.

1:48:32That's like 40 pounds. That's so much depletion. That's so crazy. That's so crazy. That's so crazy. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he gained a lot of weight, but also like how much, let's look at the other side of that. How much did he deplete the day before he's supposed to fight? Iszzy, a lot of signing of the heavyweight or the middleweight, fuck a champion. And when is he knocked him out? Maybe that had a factor. I'm almost positive about a lot of these knockouts and shit do happen from weight cuts. I think so, man. I think so too. Yeah. And then like our ability to go X amount around, blah, blah, blah.

1:49:03Like I think that it all plays a factor, man. Especially with the inability to use IVs. Yeah. Because they say that the brain takes the longest time to rehydrate. You rehydrate your body in 24 hours, but your brain takes like 48. Yeah. They do a good job at like giving us all the stuff, you know, like all these liquids and things like that. Like they do their job. You have to see always does their job, but there can be, there can be some type of change made. Hopefully there is, you know, no one has thinking about it at all. There's no attempts at all to do it. Culture. Yeah. That's just like people are just, okay, this is what we do.

1:49:37Yeah. This is a culture. I mean, it's happened that way for so long that they just have this in their head. Yeah. Why would they change it? Yeah. I just think there's a lot of things that could be done differently. And I think the hydration thing is a real big one. I think that's a, that's a giant one because it does, it's, it's so bad for the performance of the athletes. Because it's going to weaken you 100%. Yeah. Even if you, Victoria, she look awesome. You look less awesome than you would look if you didn't have to dehydrate yourself 24 hours ago. Period. Yeah. Also more dangerous. Also kidney problems, organs shut down.

1:50:11And the instances that I know that people have died from MMA. There was one in Russia where a guy died from a fight that apparently he had like some sort of preexisting condition. But I know at least two guys who died in Brazil from weight cutting. Wow. Yeah, we see it, right? We see these guys, I have to pull out the night before or whatever because they are the day of. Yeah. I think a lot of it is because of the way cuts. Speaking of hydration, try this man. What's this? This is my drink. Kill Clif. Octane. CBD. Uh oh, I have to read the ingredients. I think it's okay. Dana takes it. Dana drinks it.

1:50:41It's legit. It's good. That's spicy cherry. The year company. Yeah, Mike. Well, I'm one of the owners of the company. But this one I came up with me and my friend, Cam. This one's called Elk Blood. Spicy cherry. It's good. But this is all cheers. This is all legit, clean ingredients. And, uh, I think that's great. I think that's great.

1:51:04I think that's great. If the UFC was going to do anything differently, that would be the first one that I would say. The second one that I would say. Pay structure. Pay structure for sure. I knew I heard you talk about that before. They should be getting more money. 100 % or so. Or not. I don't like the wind bonus. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. Like, I think, um, I think the wind bonus thing is like, I hate it. It does suck. I did hear you talk about that. I forgot what episode. I think it was with Francis. Yeah. Yeah. I agree, man. It's pretty rough, you know, like especially with bad decisions.

1:51:35Yeah, it sucks. Like bad decisions and then like you get half your money. Crazy. Half. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Especially a split decision. Half. That's nuts. Yeah. I, you know, like, I'm grateful, whatever for, you know, what I make. But I do think that it'd be a lot nicer to just not have to pay or, you know, fight for win and show. The other thing that they need to do, and I really think this could be done. Cover the tips of the fingers. Yeah. There's no reason why these fingers need to be exposed. Okay. So I've been testing. It's been pretty cool. I've been the guy testing all of the new gloves, like with the, with Amber from the UFC.

1:52:19One of the slight changes that they made is the padding in the glove provides a little bit more curvature towards the fingers. But yes, covering the fingers, I think would be something that would prevent all the eye pokes. That's one of the, I think the eye poke right now is probably the scariest thing in MMA. Yeah. Getting poked in the eye. It's just blonde. I got poked the last camp actually preparing for, um, for a Jamal Hill. And like it cut the entire eye, like top eyelid. And I was like, this is the scariest shit ever. Um, yeah, I think that should definitely be. It's possible. But it's not going to happen anytime soon because all these new gloves like the production.

1:53:02I don't get it. Yeah. When they said they were going to have new gloves, they, they seem real similar to me. Trevor Whitman, in my opinion, has the best gloves. The Onyx head. Yeah. And they're the best MMA gloves. Yeah. They had some sort of, there was some negotiation with Trevor, but he wanted more money than they were willing to give. Apparently there's a lot of money. I don't know. But I think it should be different than that even. I think it should be like the Trevor Whitman gloves, but where the finger tips are, I think you cover it with just a piece of leather. Just a leather. Yeah. Yeah.

1:53:29With like a little sliver, you can just, yeah. Yeah. So it goes in the grapple. Yeah. You just can't spread the fingers. Exactly. Why would you spread the finger? Almost like mittens. Exactly. Like mittens. Yeah. Yeah. It's a piece of leather. Yeah. So if you wanted to hit someone with the knuckles, you still could, then you still have to worry about the thumb. Yeah. But that's going to cut down, think about the percentage that it'll cut down on finger pokes. Yeah. Because a lot of them are this. Yeah. Right? We see it very, we don't see a lot of thumb. So if it's this, but if it has that, then it's not going to go in the eye.

1:53:56Yeah. If it's a cover, and the cover, like you never grapple like this, you never close your fingers together ever. So what would it prevent in grappling? Nothing. What would it prevent in striking? Nothing. But it would prevent eye pokes. Yeah. It seems like a pretty clear solution. Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy. Like anything, right? There's just a lot of like, I don't know, just like politics. And yeah, I think that that is one of the things that could have been changed. I don't know why or who at the round table was like, yeah, I don't know either. We've heard all the time. We know that eye poking is a thing, but let's make the same glove and just do it, you know, a little bit differently.

1:54:34Well, it's better. Everybody says it's better. Yeah. It's better. It's not perfect. Is it lighter? It's lighter. It's 3 .5. Oh, half ounce. Yeah, half ounce lighter. Rist is a little bit different, like the straps different. The inside of the knuckle part here is padded now. So like if you do throw like a whole bag, it kind of makes me want to punch like knife style. Right, right, right. Right. Your hands more protected. Yeah, hands more protected. You can feel the half ounce or like the, you can feel that. Really? You can feel the difference. I can at least. That's crazy. Yeah, so yeah, it's, I mean, it's a decent glove.

1:55:16The only thing that we kind of had some issues with in the beginning, if you guys saw on the mock chev fight, the logo was coming off. Oh, really? Interesting. So I've been testing that and kind of just doing round after round of just like in the cage, rubbing it on the canvas, rubbing it on the cage, getting it wet, fast -learned, whatever to just make sure that these logos don't come off because we can't have that, right? Right, right. And that's, huh. Yeah. Yeah. But they look cooler. Yeah, the gold ones look cool. The gold ones that the World Time Alliance are going to be really cool. Yeah, but the gold ones, the gold ones are cool.

1:55:56Oh, the gold ones are so cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's been nice. Yeah, it is. That's the new glove. See the container, one of the baby blue. Yeah. That's pretty sick. It reminds me of the pride when they had the blue gloves. Pride gloves are great too. Yeah, pride gloves also curved more. Yeah, they curved more and you saw very few eye -pokes in pride. Yeah. Who is that? Something with the eye. He's something. Yeah. They were good gloves. But we'll see, man. We'll see, hopefully, probably five years, five more years. I don't know how long it took them to change the glove. I know. It took a long time.

1:56:33I don't think they're going to do anything different, honestly. I think they're just going to keep it this way. But I mean, how many fights get stopped because of eye -pokes? A lot. I mean, look, the rematch with Balalmahama and Leon Edwards, they had to have a rematch because Balalgah and eye -pokes were the first fight. Yeah, eye -poked. Real bad. You know, one thing that I did want to mention too is I had this discussion with a friend. You know, when these... Remember the Drew Dober fight? I mean, that cut. Yeah. And there was a fight before too. Some guy, that eye was just hanging. The eyebrow was just hanging by a thread.

1:57:06One thing that would be cool is when these moments happen and when these doctors come in to check, obviously, as fighters, we're going to want to keep going. Most of us. We got our win and show money. We need that. We need that win money. But it would be nice if they brought a coach as well to be able to help call the shots, not just the doctor. You know what I mean? I think that having coaches in your corner is a very important thing for many reasons. They keep us in line, give us advice, what we're doing, things that they see. But I think there are times, man, where some people should have that coach just like do enough.

1:57:53Right. Right. Enough. Right. Especially if you care about the longevity of the fighter. There'll be other fights. I don't think that there's enough coaches in the sport that are showing this kind of level of care, concerned for their fighters. One thing that I appreciate about my coaches in my corner is that when you're done with this, we don't want you slurring. We don't want you fucking drooling. You know, we don't want you limping. Right. Like you got to get out of like you got to be done with this healthy so that you can continue to live a normal life. This isn't the only thing. You know, and I'm like, wow, that's a good perspective.

1:58:29Like when you're done, you're in your 40s, right? And then you have, yeah, if you're lucky, you have 60 more years of life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep your teeth. Keep you know, like it doesn't have to be that way. You know, you don't have to be this fucking barbarian. Right. So I think that like, for instance, like if I had a cut like that, obviously, I'm going to want to keep going, but that's a bad fucking cut. That's like moments away from like your eyes going to be exposed. If you get punched one more time, right, depending on your opponent. So like having, having like another person kind of be able to come in and tell the fighter, like, it's over.

1:59:03It's over. Yeah, because we care about you. And yeah, you need your money. Yeah, but like, let me make this call. Yeah. Not the doctor or you know what I mean? Or the coach can be like, Hey, like there's a minute left, there will be a lot to tell the doctor, we fucking got that. You know what I mean? Like allow the coach to come in at that moment too. I think it would be like that makes sense. But they're not medical professionals. And I know there's a lot of lines that, you know, yeah. Well, it's also you go different athletic commissions have different standards, right? New York is notoriously rough.

1:59:36They stop things quicker. Yeah. They, they, they stopped weight cuts quicker. No, New York has had a bunch of different issues with people cutting weight. That's where Hamza when Hamza missed weight by eight pounds, they stopped him from cutting out. Was that New York? I don't know if that was New York. New York was definitely max all the way. When max hallways was supposed to fight Kabeab. And I think the last minute, they pulled him out of the weight cut and they said, you can't do it. Because max wasn't supposed to be fighting at all. That was when Tony Ferguson blew his knee out. Okay. Yeah.

2:00:12Damn, I didn't know it was the commission that, that like made that decision. Yes. The commission made it to see, but that was the early days of the UFC being in Mass and Square Garden as well. Okay. It was, you know, you got to realize New York was so fucking corrupt. Yeah. They kept MMA out of New York forever. Forever. And then the guy who kept it out won up going to jail for corruption. It was. Shocker. Shocker. Crazy. But yeah, that, that was a weight cut issue. Max was supposed to be fighting Kabeab. Wow. Yeah. Which would have been wild. Oh my God. Yeah. Especially now watching Max now and Max is another one.

2:00:49Like people because Max lost to Volkynoski, you know, people just sort of wrote, wrote Max off and said, oh, Max passes prime. Like, nope. Nope. No Max better than ever. That was nice fight. How do you think that we as UFC fighters should be able to like fight in like more like boxing or Muay Thai type shit like outside of the UFC? Well, it depends. You know, if it's a guy like you, I would say no. You're too close. Okay. But if it's a guy who is like coming up in the UFC and he gets a, you know, you're only fighting them once every six months anyway. Yeah. And he gets a possible Muay Thai fight.

2:01:30If that guy blows his knee out or that's on him. Yeah. That's his decision. If he wants to stay active and do these other things as well, sure. But once you become like super close and also super valuable like you're, you're a star now. And in the UFC, there's only a few guys like you that are not just stars, but win in spectacular fashion. Right. That's like I'd be like, no, you know, I'm passing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, look what it did Connor. Like it completely derailed Connor's career. Sure. He made $100 million fighting for him. Sure. Sure. He made him a huge star.

2:02:06I'm sure he would do it all over again if he could do it again. But the reality is you go back to the corner that beat Eddie Alvarez. That the Connor, I mean, that Connor was a mother fucker. It was a mother fucker. I do wish we had that guy still, man. I watched that, that finishing combination again today. Eddie Alvarez, what? Yeah. We too. Eddie's punch promotion. Did you watch it? Yeah, yeah. That's the fucking algorithm. Eddie, Connor's got his eyes wide open. Look, look, look, look. Look, the punch comes to his nose. To his nose and look at this counter. This counter so nice. Oh my god, right behind the ear, it's a perfect counter.

2:02:43And just rocks at the time. Look at that dude. He didn't even break eye contact. He's still looking at him. And then the right hook, look at this. BANG! Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I mean, it's so crazy. That got fed to me on my way here. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, this has been going around today. Yeah, primer Gregor was so smooth. Look at that. I'm even smoother now. He says, I wish that was true. Yeah, same dude. Damn. I wish it was true. But I mean, maybe is. Maybe is and we just need to see him fight again. You know, it's been a couple of years. I really hope so. I hope so too. I love to be able to still get the feeling of seeing Connor do amazing shit.

2:03:22And by the way, I fully support him pulling out of that fight. Yeah, yeah. Don't fight with a broken toe. No, that's crazy. Like people say toe, like whatever. People don't talk their shit. But like, did you stub your toe and you're crying about it for five minutes? So imagine having a broken toe. Exactly. You know, like it's not. Yeah. But me want to win Alex Fawt, Jamal apparently. He had a broken toe. What was it? Broken broken or was it broken broken? Really? He had a broken pinky toe going into that fight. It going into it. Yeah. I mean, well.

2:03:51Shama. Shama. Shama.

2:03:58Like I could say to that. He's ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. You think about when you train. Yeah. 100%. It's like I never, okay. When I started this, when I started MMA, I had a dream. I had a dream of meeting Anderson Silva and that dream came true. Like I, I just had a feeling I had a dream. I'm like, man, I want to meet this guy. I want to fight this guy. I just want to be involved with this guy. Met him, lived with him, was in his wedding, you know, like all that stuff. And like, okay, cool. And since then, I haven't had real like a dream, like a vivid dream until I started seeing Pejano come into the light heavyweight division and you know all these things.

2:04:43And like now, yeah, I have a dream. And like my dream is to put on like a very, very memorable fight against this guy. Like something that like no matter what, the fans are going to fucking love it. It's going to be memorable. It's going to hopefully go down in the hall of fame one day, you know, like something like that, you know, like it's, so yeah, it's the guy that I think about at the moment and, you know, and my motivation to train and to get better and to be a better person, to be a better man. It's like I'm fucking grateful for the guy in a way. You know what I mean? Like it's not a disrespect thing.

2:05:19It's more of like, fuck yeah. Thank you for giving me something to like wake up for every morning. But for being so dominant, that is the thing about when you have an incredible champion, it really does make everyone inspired. It makes people rise. Yeah, makes your skills. Have you ever watched Vahitov fight in glory? No. Artym Vahitov is the last guy to beat Alex and glory. And he's nasty. He's his Russian kickboxer. He's really, really fucking good. Super technical. Those kickboxes are crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Glories, it's, glory is the most, in my opinion, it's the most underrated and underappreciated of all the combat sports.

2:06:03Because the level that those guys are fighting at is so high. Yeah. I remember when I listened to you, when your episode with Inguno and you were talking about Cedric Dumbay. I mean, I trained with him a little bit when I was living in Europe. And I walked into this gym. Joe, I'm not even lying, dude. I probably trained there twice. And I was like, I can't, I'm not fucking built for this. Really? At that time. Wow. Like, this was, I think it was, it could have been, it was around the Gokon Saki fight, maybe before or after. But I walked into this gym in Belgium and it was just full of dogs. And Cedric was there and he was training.

2:06:40And the way that these guys were just drilling, I was fucked up. My legs, my arms, because they're, they're blocking in their offense, defense drills, are full speed. You know what I mean? Big gloves, shin guards, but they're like, wow, wow, wow, wow, bang. And then back and forth and back and forth. Full speed. Full speed, back and forth. And it's just non -stop. I think the class was like an hour and a half or their training session was like an hour and a half something like that. And I remember leaving and walking home in the cold and I was just like, I'm supposed to fucking, you know? And they, they knew like, oh, this guy's a UFC fighter, but a lot.

2:07:14So like, I was like, fuck, I have to show up tomorrow. I fucking told them that I came here to train. I came all the way to Belgium to train. Show up the next day or whatever, a couple days later do it again and I'm like, dude, I don't think I can come back like fuck this. Like, wow. So the way that these guys are training that are like aspiring glory fighters and, you know, current glory fighter states, different level, man. Wow. It's different level of ability of like what they can take, you know what I mean? Like just like pain tolerance and just like their routine and just what they're conditioned for now.

2:07:46Yeah. That's a whole different way they train the way the ties train. Um, okay. So I'd say like ties don't necessarily spar hard at all. I don't know of a place that I've like, I haven't seen ties like full on spar. It's very like lighthearted and more like playful and skill and things like that. Um, a lot more, a lot more bag work, um, a lot more attention to balance and defense. Um, and then on the pads, it's a lot less combinations. Like it's not like, uh, it's not, it's not like that. Really? That's why it's very cringey to me when I come back to America and I see these guys who are teaching Muay Thai and it's like the seven punch combinations just because it's punching and kicking and you're throwing in these and elbows doesn't make it Muay Thai.

2:08:45You know what I mean? Like it's not, it's not the same essence in my opinion. So how do they hold pads over there? Like it's so like, for instance, like when I was, when I was training my trainer, it's like, it's more of like he's drawing out what he kind of wants to see from me based off of my position and like how I'm standing and where I'm standing. So he'll, he'll have his distance and he'll kind of sometimes won't even really tell me what to do. He'll just kind of like insinuate like, like body kick. Boom. And then however I land, then maybe he'll hold the right hand and then boom, however I land after that, maybe he'll hold the hook and then from the hook and then maybe he'll hold the leg kick.

2:09:27But it kind of depends on like where am I at? Right. You know, like what's my position? He's not like, okay, jab across hook, low kick. Like, oh, it's more based off of your fighter. How does your fighter flow? Right. You know what I mean? So like in that distance, if I'm, if he's like telling, if he's just like, because my trainers didn't speak English at all, I had to kind of like learn to adapt. So he would just be like kind of like doing this like, okay, slow down, relax, calm. So I would go, okay, relax. And then he'll quickly like that. And then I have to kick boom. And then he'll like, do and boom, boom.

2:10:01And then he'll like, okay, relax. Punch. Boom. Elbow. Boom. Like it's just kind of calling out these reactions, not giving me this like eight punch combo, four punch combo. Okay, in with a little bit. It's just a lot more instinct. It's a lot more like stay calm, stay relaxed. And when you attack, I don't want to see that you're about to attack me. I need it to come quick. And like, I need to go right back to relax. Yeah, I need to go right back to a relaxed position. You know, and so you feel like this kind of pad holding is more applicable for a natural fight like developing skills. I think so.

2:10:37I mean, like, especially if you want to kick or punch or do anything at like a full power because I do notice that like, like from the tie pad work, that's where you practice your power. That's where it like the on the bag and on the pads. It's more power. Right. It's less like boxing is more like focus mitts. You don't really do power with boxing on mitts. But with like with my tie, it's like, this is my chance to be like how effective is my left kick at 100%. Right. And I'm like trusting this guy to be able to catch it for me. So I prefer it. I make I prefer the the true essence and the true martial art of my tie because it's when you when you kind of understand it and when you've kind of learned it from, you know, like just different traditions and like different lineages, it's like you can.

2:11:32You can pick up on things that are like, okay, now, okay, yeah, this is this is like in fucking ruin someone. If I like relax right here and I'm standing just like an arm's length of this guy and I just want to really blast the kick and be on balance, I can ruin this guy, you know. You also were telling me that they changed the way you were kicking. Yeah. So everyone like everyone has their own way. It's like if you go to a Jiu Jitsu school and like an arm bar is an arm bar, but people have different ways of like setting it up or more effective to get it. The biggest thing that kind of helped me was for one, like a lot of people when they kick, they lean back to kind of counterbalance that weight.

2:12:18And my trainer always told me like he always had me like a dry, like drive my pressure forward. I actually wished that I was fucking training with you. I was here side note. I was like, damn, they're sick to fucking to show some stuff through. But anyway, he was showing me like next time. Yeah, yeah. I got a whole gym here. Yeah, I saw it. It's probably way better now than like, yeah, yeah, just moving here. But kind of like this more like forward projection. So like all of my weight and plus the kick moving forward versus standing stationary, lifting my and going back, you know, like there's like a no tilting.

2:12:57The turning of the hips, like kicking with the shin and not the foot. Like so there's a lot of little details that go into like making these things happen. You know, and also the speed of the kick, like a lot of big problem that I see in MMA for sure. Is that like man, I can see kicks coming from a mile away. Right. Because there's just so much just to get your leg up, you should just be able to fucking whip it. And it still be as powerful as effective. You were saying something about the smoothness of though, they taught you how to relax more when you're throwing kicks. I have like you have to relax like the kicks.

2:13:33The leg is the heaviest limb on the body, you know, and just like if you want to knock someone out, you don't want to, you don't want to tense up first. You got to be relaxed. It's got to be swift. So it's kind of like in order to lift your leg to throw it at a full speed and to for it to be accurate, you got to be relaxed. You have to. And how much of that is like when you're training, how much of your training when you're working on technique is kicking the bag? How much of his kicking pads? How much of his kicking the air? Okay. So I kicked the bag a lot. I just have a bag in my house and everything is usually like slow just getting my body to move and comfortable with lifting my leg and it just be effortless.

2:14:20Just the technique. Yeah, just the technique and like the flow and like the feeling. The one you do at home, like how much warm up do you do before you do anything like that? It kind of is my warm up. So you do it lightly. Yeah, I do it lightly until my intensity picks up and until I'm like, okay, I'm fucking tired. So I'll start off really slow. Yeah, I post like a video the other day. It's like of my routine. Like I just like I put on this music like Thai country. Oh, let me see it. Yeah, it's uh yeah, actually if you pull that up you'll see like that's kind of my daily like my daily routine.

2:14:52So I'd say a lot of my training it's like probably 60 % is just like shadow boxing, light bag work, working on balance. Yeah.

2:15:06So just nice. So see like what are you listening to? I'll put it on. That's like the classic.

2:15:15Thai music. Yeah. So try not like even here, I'm trying not to lean my head back and try to keep more of like a station like a straight up and down posture while throwing the kick. It's very hard but it's like as you practice it, it only makes the kicks a little bit more effective. So this is at your house. Yeah, this is just my version. Use your bag. Uh 130. And so you just set and stuff up just touching it. Yeah, just touch because like I need to know that I can touch it before I need to like before I want to blast it. And so that's how you warm up. You warm up just gently. I just do that until I end up like really sweating fucking hard on the back.

2:15:55Right, right, right. I feel like okay, I've done this motion enough to where now I can release at 100 and say I can just fucking do a lot of stretching. Yeah, I spend probably three to four hours a day stretching. Wow. Yeah, really. Yeah, holy shit. It's like one of my hobbies. I just I love it. Like if I'm not okay, so I when I wake up in the morning, I'll say like sparring, say I have sparring at 1130, I get to the gym by nine and I'm stretching for two hours. Wow. I use Olympic rings. I love stretching on Olympic rings. I'll put them like so I hang them at a nice height and I'll put my arms through and they're just like kind of here.

2:16:39And then I'm like flexing down and it kind of helps elongate my spine. I'm practicing compressing. Yeah, decompressing. I'll put it like on the like under my elbow here and I'll kind of like do like the iron cross and just kind of I do a lot of just different like unique type of stretches and I do them every single day and I just want to make sure that like my body feels as free as possible. I hate tightness. I fucking eating my lower back so tight right now and I hate it. You know, like that's just one of the the I got some shit I could show you for that. Please. Yeah, it's a cool shit here. So yeah, like I'd say a lot of a lot of my time in a day is spent stretching.

2:17:19That's crazy. Three to four hours a day man. That's not like sometimes it's two hours and then I'll go training and then later like an hour before I go to bed, you know, but yeah, a lot of my time, a lot of my time. Look at my wife says like, oh, where's that? The garage for stretching. You know, I mean, like what kind of makes sense though when you think about how free you are when you're fighting, like everything is so fast and fluid. Yeah, gotta be relaxed. You have to be loose to do that. Yeah. You have talked to guys who aren't flexible. Like I was trying to explain, I was trying to show someone some guard technique.

2:17:54A guy was fighting in the, I don't want to say his name. And I was like, so when you're in this position here, I was showing them how to use a rubber guard. I'm like, so I'm in control here and he's like, I can't get my leg up right there. I'm like, what do you mean you can't get your leg up right there? It's like, I don't have any flexibility. I'm like, do you stretch? Yeah. It's like, no. I'm like, you don't stretch. You're a world class fighter and you don't stretch. Yeah. I'm an old comedian and I'm showing you that I can do this. This is crazy. You should be able to do this. Like this is not a thing that's hard to do.

2:18:23A rubber guard. Yeah. I mean, sometimes like, especially right now, it'd be really hard for me to do a rubber guard. But why? Okay. So the other day I was working out. I do these Saturday workouts. I invite my friends. We do like a kind of boot camp circuit thing. Just something for me to stay active and to invite my friends to come enjoy a healthy lifestyle. I have a friend who's older guy and he was doing amazing air squats. And I was like, just banter. I was like, you call that a squat? Anybody in the right mind would have known. Like, yeah, this is a good fucking squat, you know, but for some reason, I don't know what is going on that day, but he took it personally.

2:19:04And he was like, what? You have the worst fucking squats in here. You fucking, and just like blew up on me and I was like, whoa, dude. Didn't know we were going that route. But since you want to fucking, you know what I mean? Since you want to test the waters. And then I just started fucking air squatting like a maniac and bust out like 80 air squats. Like my asshole almost touched a ground, you know what I'm saying? Just like going full speed. And then like I just, I was kind of like rubbed the wrong way. So I just went hard and I wasn't really thinking about posture or technique or anything.

2:19:34I kind of tweaked my back a little bit. And then that wasn't the end of the workout. We still had to go and burn 1 ,000 calories on the assault bike. Oh no. So then I hop on the bike and I'm full blast. You know, like, you're fat. And I just, and it kept hurting and I was like, I'm not going to show these guys that I'm hurt. I'm going to just, I'm a dog. You know, I get back on. And by the end of the workout, like I mean for the past three days, it's been real hard, real hard. So my lower back right now. And then the day after that, I went and I have to swing the golf club like at least four times, four days a week by the way.

2:20:08Jamie has one of those things out here. Yeah, simulator. It's all me. Yeah, Jamie's a nut. He's out there all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would definitely inhibit your rubber guard. But normally you could probably do it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Normally. You should be able to do that. Yeah. It's like if you're on your back, it's a regardless of what people think. That's a, it's a very effective technique. Yeah. And I've put people in and I'm like, get out. Yeah. Let me hold you and try to get out. Not on the topic of rubber guard, but after we're done with this, I'm going to show you this six -sweet thing that I'm working on.

2:20:39Oh, okay. It's like, it's really cool. I'm going to show it to you. And then when you see me do it in a fight, you're like, holy shit. Oh, all right. Yeah, it's an unseeing, unheard of. And it's a mixture of like what I've learned, like some Moitai concepts and like, yeah, Moitai concepts and like methods mixed with what I've been learning in my GJTZ because I'm training with a guy who's a black boat under Damian Maya. And so a lot of the GJTZ who stuff that I'm working from, like learning from him is amazingly effective, especially from my mentality. And like my body style. So in my off time and in my stretching and just my artistic mind, I was like, how do I blend these two together?

2:21:19Wow. Got it. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's an idea. It's nice. It's sick. How much time do you spend boxing? I don't box a lot. Yeah, I'd say like my padwork, like my MMA padwork is a lot of hands, not necessarily like boxing boxing, just kind of like MMA boxing. But I mean, I would love to do more boxing. I just noticed that when I focus on boxing, like I have in the past, I just get a little bit more flat -footed, you know. And because of my nature and my spirit, I'm just willing to stand in bang. And just, right, right, right. You know, and I'm like waiting on counters and I'm waiting to roll and I'm like, which is weight right here and I'm going to slip and react in counter.

2:22:05But so it sometimes can put me in a little bit of a bad position. But if I find the right boxing trainer, that kind of understands MMA and understands my style, I could see it being effective, but I haven't found that yet. So you just put it all together? Yeah. That's your thing. Well, this is man. I'm bummed out that you're going through all this bullshit, but I'm really excited to see back in there, man. Thanks. I really, really am, especially after the anthem. Well, I've been a fan for a long time, but the Anthony Smith fight was like, it shows me that you are right there. You're right there.

2:22:37I hope Jeff sorted out everybody in the Nevada State Athletic Commission sorted out. And hopefully you can call the next one too, right? I'm actually, that'd be amazing. Yeah, I hope so. I really do. I really do. It's always great talking to you, brother. Same. And tell everybody your Instagram, social media, where people can find you. Find me on Instagram, Khalil, round tree, just my first and last name. That's all I got right now. Working on a website. Oh, really? Yeah, I want to work on a website and just get a little bit more, give some more content, interact with fans and stuff in a whole different way.

2:23:16Possibly start to provide more videos and just some more interaction. So all that's processed, but for now, just hit me up on Instagram. Beautiful. That's better. All right, let's go to the gym. I'm sure you should. Let's do it. All right. Bye, everybody.