JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

22:30We do power slap with it. Yeah. I'm the champion of that. And it's... I have the most powder on my hand when I slap. It's just disrespectful. It's just a bummer that people don't get it yet. Yeah. It's like, so many people, way more people get it now than never got it before. You know, when I first started doing commentator for the UFC, it was in 97. When I first started doing backstage interviews. And people were actually like, I was doing porn. They were like, what are you doing? Like, why are you doing that? Are you crazy? I go, I love it. It's great. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah.

23:05It was like being involved and that was bad for your career. That's wild. Yeah, Dan and I have talked about so many times. Like, people would tell people that he bought the UFC and they'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, God. That's terrible. Meanwhile, everybody watched it now. Yeah, it's going to be up there bigger than I think all the other sports. It'll be bigger than everything but football in America. Yeah. You're never going to beat football. You can't beat football. Yeah. You're seeing this next younger generation. Yeah. It's just wild how they're coming up. Like, you're starting my boy Nacho, Ignacio, his brother's 15 years old and he's already 5 and 0 pro.

23:41Crazy. I'm like, bro, you guys are starting this young? 15. And you're a crazy. I'm like, that's wild. I got fighting pro at 15. Yeah. I'm not. That's nuts. You're fighting pro men at 15. Yeah, his next fight is for a title. I guess like a 30 -year -old and I'm just like, oh my God, that's so cool. Where's this happening? It's in Colombia. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. And that you go wild down there, boy. They don't have any fucking rules. That's wild. You can fight at 15. But imagine when he gets to his 20s, the experience he's going to have. Oh, yeah. And then if one of these younger guys now that only fought locally in Chicago or something, they see him.

24:16He's going to look at them like, yeah, okay. Let me show you what I do. Do you think there's something to be said for not jumping in too quick? Because I feel like there's some fighters that they just got rushed. And they weren't really prepared for it in the elite fighter. And they got tuned up and they were kind of never the same again. I think there's been a few guys like that that I think had real potential. But someone rushed them into a top 10 situation way too quick. Yeah, 100%. I think DARREN TILL is probably like the biggest one I think of when I think of that when he rushed them to the title fight.

24:50It's hard to say though, because DARREN TILL when he knocked out Cowboy. See, people have two DARREN TILLs in their head. They have DARREN TILL with knee injuries older later in his career. And you have DARREN TILL when he was 170. Yeah. DARREN TILL when he could make 170. And dude, he was dangerous. When he fucked up Cowboy, I was like, Jesus Christ. This guy's fucking terrifying. He was ferocious, but he didn't keep that for whatever reason. He didn't keep that level of success. He had mad potential. So I'm not sure if he got rushed or if he just got injured or if it was this is a grappling game.

25:25He was too late to take it in the grappling game. I think there's a lot of guys that don't know how to take a loss. I think that once they, you know, he was undefeated then you get your first loss. And then you go back to the gym. You're confidence deflated. You look at people who look at you differently. Like you don't have that same mentality. I'm the biggest one in the room. Well then. Tyron Woodley, he fought Tyron when Tyron is in his prime. That was prime time Tyron Woodley. Tyron Woodley fucked him up. But Tyron Woodley in his prime fucked everybody. Everybody just thinks about that Jake Paul fight.

25:56Get that out of your head. That's an older athlete at the end of his run doing something only really mostly for money. Where's my set of yesterday? He said like people are so quick to forget. Right. Of the stuff you did when you're great. Yeah. When you're at the top. And especially guys like Woodley where he was one of the best to ever do it. One of the best walk of the day later you started losing a couple. Exactly. And then it just tarnishes everything. I'm like bro, go back to the knockout of Robbie and Larry. That was crazy. Yeah. The way he did it. Robbie was the man at that time. I think one of his most impressive performances too is most impressive performances are performances that weren't even that exciting.

26:30And that's the Wonderboy fight. Because he fought the perfect fight with Wonderboy. He never led. Never led. He's like, let's make it boring. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. But then when they had exchanges, Tyron hurt Wonderboy. Wonderboy never hurt Tyron. Wonderboy is a 57 and O kickboxer. One of the greatest strikers the UFC's ever seen. But he was so worried about those takedowns that he didn't really commit either. And then when, and he was always worried about the takedowns, which of course you know opens up punches. Yeah. And Tyron could f**k and crack. Tyron could crack back in there. And we knocked out Lawler with one punch like holy s**t.

27:07Tyron could crack. People forget. Yeah. When I fought Wonderboy, I was like the one of the fights I watched. And then I was one of the fights the most afraid of. Because you're looking at him against Woodley, him against Johnny Hendrix. And none of these guys could take him down. And then Anthony Pedestone, he like, bro, I was like, should I bring in somebody for him? And he's like, nah, because nobody ever, nobody moves like him. And he kicks hurt harder than anybody else that brought him. Because he bought in like, stage North Cut and those guys to be like him. And Mike Bigger Rhodes. And he's like, one of boys is different.

27:36So he said, I was just trying to wrestle. And I was like, all right, let's go. And then I was like, let me get ahead of him right away and grab a hold of him and not pull back at all. So the problem with Wonderboy is he can do some shit that other people can't do. And one of them is that lead leg. That lead leg is a real problem. Because he's got the best front leg sidekick in the business. And he also throws that round kick off the front leg over your shoulder. And he don't, his first knockout in UFC. He throws that shit over the shoulder. You don't see it until it's up there. And you're like, oh shit, it's too late.

28:07Yeah. And this guy is his stuff so beautifully. But he disguises with his personality. Because before the fight, hey, what's up bro? How you doing? And then I'm like, bro, I know you're going to try to kill me tomorrow, man. But he's genuinely sweet. He's not putting it like some guys will do that just to try to throw you off. But that literally is Wonderboy. He's a sweetheart of a guy. The nicest happens to be a killer. And I feel like Wonderboy, man, he's one of those guys. Like, I feel like if he had gotten into MMA earlier and really learned grappling earlier, with that kickbox, like maybe if he hadn't had 50 kickboxing fights, but only had like, he was a elite at, you know, 20 fights in, I'm sure, 30 fights in.

28:47And got really gotten into MMA when he was a younger man. Because the thing about fight, like, he's 40 now or 41, right? And the thing about fighting is if you're not cheating and, you know, you're getting into your 40s, like, there's no way. There's no way you're the same guy you were when you were 25. It's not possible. Yeah. So if you don't have the same body to work with, it doesn't matter how good the mind is. It doesn't matter how good. We've all seen it from the great champs. They just hung around too long and the body just doesn't perform anymore. And they know what to do, but the body can't do it.

29:19Yeah. And everything just slows down. Your reflexes, even your mindset, right? Because you don't want to, it's the hardest thing to train for. You have to fight every day into practice room to train for a fight. So these guys who've been doing it for so long, you're burnt out. So it's like, you get to your 40s and you got a family and stuff. Like, do I want to train two to three times a day? Do I want to go to a gym right now and wrestle? Yeah. Like, I think that's one of the keys that my coach is very good at. He like, tells all of his guys, like, we're wrestling three times a week. If you're not at wrestling practice, then you're not going to be a sparring practice.

29:48All the, because a lot of our guys are really great strikers, not to have been striking with them since they were 16 years old. He, he told them like, I don't care if you hate this right now, you know, know how to wrestle. You're going to lose. You could be the best striker in the world, but all the champions know how to wrestle. That's a solid coach right there, because every guy needs to learn that, because there's so many dudes who don't want to roll because they don't want to get tapped out, but they're elite kickboxers. There was a bunch of those guys in the early days of the UFC just didn't.

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33:06I'm a UFC fighter. I shouldn't be losing to Joe Schmoe just to class. So, there's avoid those guys. I don't think Wonder Boy ever avoided anybody like that. I just think he was late to the game. He was training a lot with wide men who's an awesome wrestler. But he got his first loss. I think was Mike Brown. And Mike Brown just mauled him. Just mauled him. That was Mike Brown in his prime. Who was this scary motherfucker? To play no games. He played no games. I was trying to kill you. I would wish that I would never get that call to like, you want to fight my, my brown. And I was like, man, I'm like, bro, no, my brother's like, call him out.

33:42And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to call him that brown. My brother's always the type to be like, you can be anybody. And I was like, nah, I'll call it. If they call it, my bro, I'll do it, but I'm not going to call him out though. You don't want to get a motivated. Yeah, he's the boogie man. I feel like there's some dudes that for whatever reason with Matt Brown, you know, he died. You know, he had overdosed and he had like a serious drug problem. I think there's guys who see the other side and they come back and they just have a different mentality. You know, they almost lost their life to some really stupid shit.

34:12And they have like a grip on life that's a little bit different and a drive. It's a little different. There's been a few guys that I know that were like real heavy drug addicts and got off the drugs and just became performance freaks. Just endurance freaks, just animals. And like so disciplined, you're like, wow, how is it that this guy used to be a drug addict? A junkie. And now this guy's weighing his food and you know, and drinking electrolyte filled water and fucking showing up before anybody and putting in those rounds on the air die machine after practice. He's like, God damn. I live with Jared Gordon for three years together.

34:49He's like my best friend and he would say, I'm gonna go for a jog. I'm like, all right, cool. And he'll be like, come back like three hours later. I'll be like, I just ran 20 miles. And I'm just like, you said you're going for a jog. That's not a jog. It's like a marathon. Yeah. And he would just do that. I don't know where. Like you said, they just had that crazy cardio endurance and they'll just go nonstop. And I think it's that type of mindset, right? I think so. I think so. They're a little extra spooky. There's a little extra spooky. Those forward junkies. I don't know why, man. They're like not playing any fucking games.

35:20You know, guys that have almost died. They are not playing any fucking games with you. Yeah. It's interesting because like there's there's different things that make a great fighter. There's a lot of stuff. There's genetics. There's gifts. Some people just have that touch of death. You know, they just have that one shot KO power. Some guys just are born with crazy. Like came Velasquez. They said just has genetic cardio. They said that motherfucker could take months off the gym, come in and just smother everybody. And nobody could deal with them. They said it was crazy. Like nobody had ever seen anything like it.

35:52Like I think Kane for sure was an elite fighter because of his mind, his discipline, his drive, his determination, his skill set. I mean, he was a, I think in his prime. There's the argument who's the best heavyweight of all time and I always throw Kane in there. I think prime time Kane was, he was a tornado. He was a tornado. You couldn't understand how a heavyweight can be throwing so many punches. He never stopped and he could take you down. And if you took him down, he didn't give a fuck. You right get right back up with like with Brock Lesnar. Yeah. Bro, he was a tornado in that cage. And I was able to go down to a K and get some work in with the guys on there and Kane was there.

36:30Oh wow. And yeah, it was just, I was still intimidated. I was like, I can't glass. He's a killer. Yeah. And he was like the nicest guy in the world. Super nice guy. But seeing how athletic he was, he was like, don't cartwheels in the gym and just like seeing how he moves. I'm like, now I could understand why he was such a great heavyweight and such a killer. He was the perfect model heavyweight in his prime. You know, like 240, not too big. So he has insane cardio. You never going to see a guy like Francis that has the kind of cardio that Kane has. I don't think it's possible. I think you'd get a trade with Francis.

37:00You get the touch of death. You get that one shot. Everybody's like, oh shit. Like the Austro over in fight. God damn. Like he has that crazy, crazy power. But I don't think you get that power with that endurance. I've never seen anybody that has that kind of power that also, like Connor even. Yeah. Amazing power. But he doesn't have the kind of endurance that some of these guys that have less power do. Yeah. I'm just going to see how Aspen on his past the first round, right? Because he's like, he looks so fast. He looks like nobody moves like him. He looks like a younger Kane. Right. But he just keeps knocking these guys out so quick.

37:34So I'm like, let me see him pass the first round of CVS that cardio as well. It's a bit of a problem for him, right? Because he has not been tested in that way. And you know, you're getting up to elite status where you're calling out John Jones. Yeah. Right? That's the bogeyman. Like John Jones is the fucking bogeyman. And maybe he hasn't died, but he's probably probably not going to do it a couple of times. Like what's going on? Death, he get you in there. You know, John Jones has had some trials and tribulations. But the skill set and the ability to push deep into rounds is nuts. Like John fought, when he fought Gustafson, he had almost no training camp.

38:12They said he barely showed up. Like, you know, I talked to Jackson about it and Greg Jackson was telling me he didn't even train for that fight. Wow. He didn't even train. And then he pulled that fight off in the fourth and fifth rounds. That's when he really turned it up. So you're talking about a guy who hasn't even been training. And then you saw the real John Jones in the second fight. That's motivated John Jones, who's like, I'm going to show you what the fuck is really up. And then he just beats a shit out of Gustafson in the second fight. And I wonder if it's going to get him to that point.

38:40All this talking from astronauts is to get him motivated, right? Or is he going to be a point like, let me be done with steep and be done with it. But I don't want to heavyweight motivated John Jones if I want to other side. Yeah. The way he just pulled gone down so easily and talked to him out. I was like, bro, and then gone looks good as last two fights. Gone is like one of the most exciting guys on the feet. He's so athletic in that style. He's had a weird front kick, do you ever notice his front kick? Like a twisting front kick off the front leg? Yeah, that's a push kick. But it's weird because he turns it and snaps it up.

39:13So he jabs you with the toes. There's a kick in Taekwondo that's kind of a goofy kick. It's called a twisting kick. And you kind of do it to the face. And it's like you swing your leg up and kick like this. It's like this. But that's what he's doing in a sideways stance. He's just doing it to the body. He's like got a twisting front kick. Nobody kicks like him. And he heard a whole... He heard a band band with that, right? He fucked band band up. That was like Cyril Gone at his very best. A guy like band band who just comes forward and takes a hell of a shot. He's not scared to take one to give one.

39:46And I mean, Tuy Voss is one of the most exciting guys of all time, right? Yeah, and it's crazy how... But that's not. Yeah, with Gone, Gone's this elite striker, incredible lateral movement, counter -punching, the ability to move out of range and dive right back in real quick. Yeah. But Aspenal was like, we've only seen him smash. We've never seen him be the nail. No one ever, right? And I thought Pavlovich was going to be the one who was like, it's going to be a banger. And then he just puts on a sleep. And he took Pavlovich's fight with a fucked up rib. He couldn't even wrestle. Yeah, sure. No, it's still right.

40:18I mean, imagine you're going up against Pavlovich. You know, the only guys who's ever beat him was Overiem. And Overiem took him down, beat him up on the ground. And he's like, I got to get this guy down. He's got his knocking everybody dead. He knocks him out standing. He's so fast for a heavyweight. But again, you're saying the right thing, like, what is it like in the fifth round with John Jones? Because if you can't steam -brow John Jones and he starts side -kicking your fucking kneecaps, you know? There's nobody better with distance than John. The best. Nobody comes close. Wow, that too. Yeah, I know you've experienced that.

40:48Yeah, man. Yeah. How many ice -ergers have you had to have? I've had three. Wow. Yeah. Oh, shit. They're literally the hardest thing in the world, the most depressing thing in the world. Yeah. I don't think - Did you have one after the Leon fight or before? I had one after as well. Wow. Even in my fight in - when I fought Luke A, after the third round, I went back to my corner. I was like, there's something in my eye. I couldn't see out of my eye and I'm trying to blink it out. Then the cut man taped. He's like, bro, hey, nothing wrong with your eye. Stop touching your eye. I was like, all right, well whatever.

41:24I go back in there to fourth and fifth round and I just can't manage this. I'm just shooting in and I'm like, man, there's still something wrong in my eye. Then I ended up going to the doctor two days later because I thought I was just a scratch corner or something. But I ended up being a detached lens. Oh, Jesus. So the whole lens, they had to take out and then sew back in. Yeah. And I was like super bloodshot red for like two weeks. And then I ended up doing like a weigh -in show with the UFC. I've ever paid review and everybody's like posting pictures of me like, oh look, it's somebody farted out his pillow because he has like a red eye.

41:56And they're like, make it a front of you. And I was like, I'm like crying myself in my room. I don't got pink eyes. It's so true. How long did it take to recover from that? That one wasn't as long. That one was, the blood was still in there for like a month. The test right now is the hardest one. That one is like eight weeks. I'm not doing absolutely nothing. And I have to be like this. My head sideways for four, eight weeks. Really? Yeah, and have like a bubble in your eye the whole time. And then even when I'm watching TV, I have to like put my head into massage chair. Oh, wow. And there's like a mirror at the top.

42:33So I aim the mirror at the TV and I can't do nothing. Wow. But like keep my head down or sideways. And how long did you have to stay like that for? It was like eight weeks. Whoa. So you're lying. Did you go to sleep in a massage chair? Yeah, I had to sleep. I had to sleep with my face down in the massage chair the whole time. Wow. Yeah. That was the hardest thing. How hard is it to sleep like that? And I'm a back sleeper too. Oh my god. So I hate sleeping on my stomach. So it was like the worst two months of my life. And then you're like, you don't know if you're going to be able to train after that and fight after that.

43:08Like because the doctor is looking at me like, I'm stupid. I'm telling him, I'm going back to the gym. And yeah, it was rough. Doctors always want you to stop doing what you're doing. Yeah. I heard you shoulder. You need to quit that. That's the always say. Yeah. Or you need surgery. And there's no form of rehab or like exercise that you do. And they love to give you surgery. Right away. But even with the eye, I'm so afraid to even go to the doctor in general. So like, I was avoiding it at all costs. I was like, see like a little black dot inside of my eye. And I'm still training. I'm like, whatever.

43:40And then I was supposed to go with Jared to Brazil when he fought Charles Oliveira. And I had my ticket booked and everything. And then like the week before I'm sparring with him, then all of a sudden that black dot turned into like a black sheet. And it just went full black. And I'm like, I think I should go to a doctor now. And then they were like, you got to go under the knife right away. So it was like, I had to get surgery right there. Yeah, I had a friend of mine who had a detached retina. And he didn't go in quick enough. And he lost most of his vision in that eye. Yeah. Yeah, he had a bunch of surgeries that could never fix it.

44:13He just, he said that whoever told him that it wasn't a detached retina, fucked him because if he had known right away when he went in to check it, that it was a detached retina, he would have been able to immediately get surgery. And they would have saved it. Wow. Yeah. That's the hard part because you always think about Michael Bizbinger looking at him. Like, exactly. I don't want to be that guy. Exactly. And I was like, how gangsters that motherfucker? That dude fought 10 times the UFC with one eyeball. That's wild. He couldn't say he memorized the fucking eye chart. Yeah, I literally had, I had moments where I'm looking at myself like, am I going to have to do that?

44:50Am I going to have to figure out something to do? To do this, yeah. Well, how about, um, fucking, what's his face? The, uh, the pirate shot up bullet. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. That guy's crazy. He's the only guy one eye. But it's, it's wild, right? Because I mean, he still looks like he sees everything when he's fighting, right? This is management's incredible. Yeah. It makes you think, how good was that motherfucker with two eyes? I think you fight that good with one eye. I fought in Abu Dhabi my first time there when, when it could be fought, uh, Dustin Poria. And then he was just like a fan and he came up to me and he said, I'm going to be in the UFC.

45:22And I remember the picture with him because he like, tag me and obviously you can't forget that face. Right. But then when I saw him, like undefeated killer, I'm like, bro, dang, he wasn't lying. He is a beast. Oh, he's a beast. Yeah. I watched him fight before he was ever in the UFC when he was on other organizations. And I was like, Jesus Christ, this guy can kick. He kicks like you're thinking he's going to get tired from all that kicking and he does not get tired. Yeah. It's wild. The volume of kicks, he reminds you a lot of Yair. You know, Yair is like one of those guys like, yo, you better stop thinking about kicking with him.

45:56Did you make kick you with Yair Rodriguez? You better figure out a way to get past that shit because that guy can kick in a weird way. I trained with Yair and like, even just like light sparring, I don't even want to like play with him because he just comes from all different angles. Yeah. But he's so good at like, he'll get so close. It'll be like right here and he'll just pull it. Yeah. I think that's where I learned a lot from him and then just like when you're going with somebody who flows like that and knows how to move like that. Right. It makes you more creative too. Right. Because you're not so tense.

46:26You're worried about getting knocked out. Yeah. I think that makes us kind of sparring. But it's like with a guy like, yeah, if you're going to fight a guy like, yeah, you're, you got to find some Taekwondo champion and bring him in. But even then, they're not going to know how to punch that good. They're not going to know how to wrestle. So you're going to be missing part of it because yeah, you can submit a lot of people. He's fucking wicked off his back. He's trying to go as fast as fuck. People don't know how good he is. And even his wrestling is really good. Yeah. But when he puts it all together, but I think even when he gets in there, it's just like so much, right?

46:55He puts so much energy into everything. Yeah. That sometimes it leaves openings for the guys to like take him down and hold him down. And like if I'm a guy fighting him, I'm like, bro, I don't want to get this guy any distance or any room to do anything. Yeah, that style is just so taxing. You got to, for people that don't see the differences, two things in the octagon that are like probably the most taxing that you wouldn't really guess. The biggest one is the clinch. Bro, you see guys just get drained after the first round in the clinch and they go back to their corner. And then everything's coming slower.

47:26The punches are coming slower. The footwork looks slower. Reaction time is slow. They'll take a shot that maybe they could have got away from because they just don't want to move. Yeah. We literally like do this in the gym where it's like, all right, let's do 20 pushups and then just hand fight for three minutes. And then we start sparring. It's like little stuff like that because that's when you get lactic acid in your arms. You're tired. Now let's see you throw punches. Right. Right now. And then it'll stop people from actually like throwing hard at practice. It'll make you want to conserve your energy and stuff.

47:53But yeah, that feeling when you're in there and you can't lift up your arms. Like, Damien Maya shot on me like 30 times. And it's the third round. And I was like, bro, my arms are like that right now. So if he does take me down, I'm going to be in a bad spot because my arms are so heavy. And Damien and Maya are broke. Yeah. That guy had that creepy grappling strength where he would get a hold of guys and be like, what is happening here? Like, how was this guy so fucking strong, especially at 170? Bro, Damien and Maya at 170 was terrifying. Yeah. People keep forgetting. They do keep forgetting.

48:23He got fucked in the Camaro Usman fight. He got fucked. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. He got fucked. He got to Camaro's back. He had one hook in standing up and they fucking separated them. It is one of the greatest tragedies and travesties in the history of the sport. That one positional change. That is a terrible, I don't know what referee it was. I don't want to call him out. People make mistakes. But for Damien Maya, he got fucked because he had Camaro's back. And Camaro's only loss up to that point was a rare naked choke in his first fight. Yeah. And Camaro was nowhere near the grappler in terms of submissions that Damien was.

48:59The Damien was set trap, civil do shit to you, and he just gets a hold of guy. Like, what he did to Neil Magny? Like, Damien gets a hold of dudes and you're like, what is happening here? Yeah. This is a different kind of squeeze, man. Yeah. And he got fucked. He got totally fucked. But that's crazy, right? Because a lot of the fights could change. Yes. Off of one ref or one judge could change the whole thing. And back to your career. Everything could have changed. So let's imagine the judge doesn't do that. There is a 30 % likelihood Camaro's going to get him to the ground as a triangle hit. Now, religionically, you're looking at Primetime Damien Maya in the worst possible position.

49:37One hook in, he's got your back. How are you shaking him off? Yeah. You got a 30 % chance of shaking him off. You're stuck. You got a good chance of holding off until the end of the round. If you can't let, if you could, you might be able to stop him from advancing, but it's perilous. This is a terrible position you're in. Damien Maya's on your back and the referee's like, break it up. There's no action here. Like, are you a champion street fighter? Like, is this action? Like, what are you doing? This is the sport. Yeah. The sport is this guy is a professional strangler and he's finally gotten a hold of this guy.

50:16The casualers are booing, so you're going to separate it. This is, it's the worst for me, the biggest travesty I've ever seen in MMA. That was number one. Just probably been a few. If I really had to go overall of them, I'd probably find a few other ones over there. They'd be like a top 10. I mean, even Leon against Kamala too when Kamala was on top of him and the rest stood them up because the crowd was booing, right? And then he got a head kick. Right. It's like, bro, he's on top of the whole five rounds, but now you want him to stand them up because crowd's booing right now. I believe in no stand -ups.

50:44Yeah. I know it's boring. I don't give a fuck. No stand -ups. No stand -ups. I go step further. No stand -ups. And I think the fight should resume exactly what position you were in at the end of the round. Oh, that'll be the game changer. That's a real fight though, right? Yeah. That's a real fight. Like, how did you get back up to your feet? Oh, they were the round ended. Yeah. Okay. What are we doing? We're cheating for the striker? Because that seems like you're kind of cheating for the striker. I know everyone's used to do it this way, but if you want to look at it realistically, the striker has an advantage for the first few seconds of every fight.

51:15Every fight. The fight starts standing. So in that perceived that distance where the striker has his advantage, it starts off with the striker's advantage. So if a grappler gets you to the ground, why do you get that advantage back in the next round? Yeah. And it's the hardest thing to get somebody down and figure it out. And it's the hardest thing to get up. Yeah. So if you can never get up, that's tough shit. Yeah. Tough shit. It's on you. It's on you. That's the sport. The sport is not boo. Staying in the mud. Just being. You know, here it is. Look at this. Let's look at this again. Take it back from the beginning.

51:50So Damien gets the clinch. Right? And Camaro's got an over hook on the left arm, and he's defending so far. So Damien's working towards the takedown. Damien sneaks that leg in and now Camaro starts to get in trouble. Because Damien takes that left arm and goes all the way over and cinches the way. So now he's pretty deep. Camaro's the thing that's saving Camaro here is his right arm. That wizard on his right arm is the thing that's saving him. But he's in danger. Now he's in much more danger. Because now Damien has the hook and now Damien's pulling that arm over the top of Camaro's wizard. So he'll connect his arms if the referee lets him what he wants to do is connect his hands in front of Camaro.

52:27Camaro does not want that. They're hand fighting right here. But this is a dangerous spot for Camaro because the only thing that's saving him is that wizard. Without that wizard, he's fucked right now. And he knows it and he's strong as fuck and he's holding on to that wizard with everything he's got. But Damien is just slowly inching and he's putting leverage with his leg. He's using that left leg. Yeah, look, he's further. Now he's even further. Now he can punch him. He's even further. So he's progressing. So he has gotten to a spot where and the referee is telling him, I guess he's grabbing gloves.

52:59He's referencing and he's just got to grab the wrist. And he's closer doing like a twist or something. Yeah, he's closer. He's even closer now. Now it's even better. Now it's even better. So now Damien is trying to figure out when he can get his right hook in and what he's doing with his left arm. So the wizard is still holding that left arm in place. But Damien at one point in time had sort of threatened to creep it up over the top of Camaro's left shoulder. And that's what he wants to do here. So he wants to put all this pressure on. Make Camaro do something to defend all the leverages putting on his legs.

53:32Defend these punches. He's setting up little traps. Just trying to open up the space so that he can get that right hook in and that left arm over the top. So he is on the back now, like fully on the back. And then the referee stops him. Wow. And this is the first round when there's still a draw in. Bro in fucking sane that this referee did this in fucking sane. A travesty. An unfair advantage for Camaro for sure. And then Camaro caught him on the left hand or right hand. He's catching with jabs. He shouldn't be in this position now. Camaro should be still trying to fight out his way out of that clinch.

54:07And guess what? He might not have fought his way out of that clinch. He was like six steps to checkmate. You know, he was pretty close. Six out of 10, he was in. It's crazy because it's the first round. So it's like, even as a crowd's boo and it's like, bro, he just got to the spot. Yeah, really? What Damien punched his butt. So you're gonna give you don't think of butt punch hurts. Like he's trying to like do something to get Camaro to react. He's trying to get movement out of him. Yeah, you want him to make the mistakes. Yeah, it's travesty. Yeah, it's not that I look at that. I'm like, that's wild travesty.

54:40Now imagine Damien might submit some. The world changes. Camaro goes to that next fight. Now everybody's looking to submit him. Things change. He's not the bogeyman anymore. Somebody just tapped him. Maybe his confidence goes down a little bit. You know, maybe he doesn't get favorable matchup in his next fight. Maybe he loses again. Yeah. You know, things can go as it gets the belt. Yeah. Yeah. Damien gets the belt. Like things happen man. We are things happen. We are things happen in this sport. You know, that's why it's so incredible when someone reaches the title. When you actually do it, you become Islam Makachev.

55:11You become a Balal Muhammad. You get all the way up there and you win the title. There's so many hurdles. Like you've lost fights. Yeah. The eye poke with Leon was crazy. You've had bad moments. And to get all past that and get to the title. Yeah. Just thinking back to like all your ups and downs. Yeah. Just looking at the journey in general and you're like, why did this happen or why did that happen. Especially after the law, I'm a terrible loser. So you're like, why is this happening to me? But then now that I look back at it and thinking about the stuff that I changed and then, all right, I started doing this more.

55:41I started fixing this and now it just like made me the fighter I am today and it's like, I'm glad those downs happen because now the ups feel so good and like nobody can take that away, right? Like the moment I climbed was way higher than anybody else climbed. It was a lot harder than anybody else climbed. There's a lot to that. There's a lot to that. There's a lot to that because the guys that come up real fast and like super talented and just fuck everybody up and they never get tested. Like it's I think for some of those guys, it's harder to maintain that motivation because you don't know the downs.

56:12Yeah. You know, like they just, they have a belief in themselves. Like, you know, BJ Pan is a good example that in my opinion. I always put BJ in the category of one of the greatest of all time. I always say you got to look at BJ in his prime. You have to look at BJ when he was beaten Sean Shirk. BJ when he beat Joe Daddy Stevens and BJ was a monster man, just a monster. Had crazy flexibility, unbelievable balance. You could try to take him down. He would hop around on one leg like you had two. It was nuts man. But BJ was so fucking talented that I think BJ didn't really like to work that hard.

56:44You know, he didn't really get up for it as much as like some of the other guys that weren't as talented. And when BJ did, wasn't his prime, that's when he was training with the Marinavitches. That's what he's doing. Those crazy plyometric workouts. And because we had this insane gas tank with all the talent of a BJ pan. Yeah. And like you said, people forget how good he was. These, these new H fans, they've never seen him before. They never saw him fight. They forget. They think, oh, he's the same thing as I lose the streak. Like Tyron Woodley, the same kind of thing. You think about him only when they're at the end of their career.

57:14You don't think about how good they were. Nobody can maintain that forever. It's not possible. It's not possible. Habib said it from the beginning, right? He said, you're always going to lose. There's a time for your thing. He said it about tomorrow. He said about 20 Ferguson. He said these guys, they're going to learn the hard way. And for me, he said, if I stayed in, I'd probably end up losing sometime. I don't think you're a lose, but yeah, like he said, you're thinking like, I could still go with them. And I'm looking at this guy like, bro, you could be the heavyweight champion right now. It's like nuts.

57:42What does he weigh now? He's, I think he's probably like 200 because he rolls consistently with everybody. And he always says I have to jog 30 minutes a day. He always done to try to know at least 30 minutes, but just like him and grappling. It's wild because I just be like, it was when I first got the fight announced from Dana White. I was over there in New Jersey training with this lamp for his fight when he was fighting Porya. And then like, they announced it. And I'm like, Habib's like, I'll come with me over here at train. And then he's just killing me like literally like, don't be around it.

58:12And I'm just like getting murdered in my coach's house. And he like, hey, you see Dana White announced you got the title fight. And I'm looking at myself like, really? All right. It was crazy. He's still in his prime. Yeah. That's what's crazy. Like he get out 29 and oh, in his prime was like, I'm done. I made a promise to my mom and do it on top. No injuries. Nobody does that. Nobody does that. Only the greats, right? Even I mean, GSP did it, but, but GSP came back and he fought when he was older. He fought bisming at 85, you know, and GSP. He, his, you know, I mean, he had gone through some wars and at the end of last one, he was just like, I need some time off, you know.

58:55Yeah. I think a lot of these fighters, they, they need the time off, but they don't take it and they try to rush back in after the losses and it just adds up. You see it with, I mean, Tony Ferguson, time example. I think after that, they gave you fight, that should have been time off. That should have been like, all right. Let me take a year off, not do nothing, but you want to rush back in there then, all of a sudden, the losses start adding up your, your body's taking damage. And he's another one. So let's imagine Tony Ferguson doesn't trip over those wires backstage. So he's about to fight could be for the title in Madison Square Garden.

59:31He trips over some wires backstage and tears his knee apart, just a freak accident. Yeah. Just a freak accident that could happen to anybody. Tears his knee apart, has to get knee surgery, misses the title fight. Al Iquinto steps in, has a good fight with him and Tony Ferguson. The one guy that we were always like, how would Tony do? Because he, in his prime, people forget in his prime, that motherfucker was terrifying. He had a long ass win streak and fucking everybody up. He was cutting people, strangling people. He was a beast, dude. Tony Ferguson was a fucking monster. But people forgot. They forgot.

1:00:08They only see Tony Ferguson now when he got knocked out by Chandler. They see Tony Ferguson now when Patty Pimbley beats him. Like, you don't understand. He's 40, whatever he is, years old. Like, he's natural. The body just can't do what the mind wants it to do anymore. Hey, and you're looking for that one point where at least a coach, family or somebody that tells him like, how you done? But you want, maybe you want to, I'm not a winning note or you don't want to just like. I think these guys just like it. They want to fight and that's all they know. Yeah. It's different in different people. Like, some people get out and they go, I think I did enough.

1:00:40I'm out. And they hold to it like could be or like Andre Ward. Andre Ward's another one goes out on top, on top. Gold medalist in the Olympics, two division world champions, like that's it. I'm good. I think they offered him when Canelo thought Kovalev when he knocked out Kovalev and won the light heavyweight title. They were saying maybe Andre Ward would come back and they were going to throw a lot of money out of him. And I think he considered it, but I think he said I serve boxing better in the position that I am. So here's a guy, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion, speaks perfectly.

1:01:16Nothing wrong with him at all. You know, very religious man. Never swears. Like I did a podcast with him. He got upset that I said the F word. He did. Like you called me afterwards like, I didn't know you were going to be swearing. Oh wow. Because he would want people like from his church to listen. Yeah. So now he can't say, yeah, I don't want, he's got to say don't listen to that one. Oh, I was got a potty mouth. I thought he's a boxing gym. And I was a doctor. I'm like a regular dude. But he's, but he's one of the wise ones that said that's it. You know, everybody else comes back, man. Marvin Hagler.

1:01:49He was another one. Never came back. So that's it. I'm done. Yeah. But Ward, I think even now like said in the commentary, the way he breaks up down if his new book was so good, just him. It's like hearing his stories. Yes. It's a crazy story. But him again, a little bit crazy. Oh, that would have been crazy. Yeah. I would love to see that fight. I want to see Canelo and Benavitas like come on Saudi Arabia. Throw that, throw that money. Throw that money. Let's see that fight. Because if Crawford, if they're not going to have him fight Crawford, which I did want to see, I did want to see. Even though I know it's crazy, it's a giant weight jump.

1:02:22But Benavitas is not a weight jump. That's the right weight. And that guy's a killer. And it makes the most sense. It makes the most sense. But and canelo's like give me $200 million. And I can see them just off. Let me just go on my banker. God, just give you that check real quick. I Saudi Arabia got it. I hope they I hope that Benavitas in him do fight. And I hope it's at 168. Because I think that's like Benavitas is best division. I mean, he only fought. He fought that last fight at 75 against a good guy. Yeah. And he won the fight. But he didn't look like the same guy that he looks like at 68.

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1:05:11So for him, he's like, I need to find the biggest fight and let me move up a couple more pounds here. Yeah. And then you think it's not a big jump, but those pounds make a difference. It makes a difference, but for Crawford, I think he just wants the big money fight. Like what is the big money funny canelo, so big money fight. You know, Crawford is one of the best average 36. He's like, maybe this is, you know, let me get one big money fight and get the fuck out of here. Yeah. But he's got Boots and Us, you know, knock on his door too, which is another amazing fight, but super dangerous. You know, like just like Benavite has his dangerous, Boots and Us is very fucking dangerous, very dangerous.

1:05:45There's always somebody coming, right? Yeah. And these guys who've been at the top so long, you're like, all right, let me get somebody that's on my level, Canelo. Yeah. He's been in the game just as long as me and, all right, let's just do this for his paycheck and then Maran. I think when they get to a certain level and they realize they'll have a few fights left, they want the big money fights. And Canelo is obviously the biggest money fight. Even though Boots and Us is a great fighter, most people don't know who he is yet. Yeah. And with Canelo, everybody knows who Canelo is. You get the Canelo fight.

1:06:13That's Red Panney's night. Yeah. Like you're in. Let's go. That's, I mean, that's John Jones' effect with stepe, right? Yeah. Not a lot of people know we're aspirin' all this yet. Right. I mean, the real fans know him, but it's like, everybody knows stepe, right? Everybody knows he was one of the greatest heavyweights to ever do it. It's a great thing if John can beat him on his resume. You know, it's one more notch that John beat the most accomplished heavyweight of all time. But here's the thing. Everybody's sleeping on stepe. Here's the thing about heavyweights. Heavyweights mature later and they get, they get compromised later too.

1:06:50Like heavyweights can fight, like George Foreman won the heavyweight title at 45 years old. And that was in the natural days. I think there's maybe not natural. I mean, I don't know what George is doing, but I was thinking of Vanderholy if you're on the way. Hmm. Maybe there's something going on. But my point is that like heavyweight fighters, I think, because there's not as much movement. It's a different thing. The body matures. It takes longer there. They're just bigger human beings. I could see a guy that's in his 40s still fighting elite. And we haven't seen stepe since he got knocked out.

1:07:25So we saw that fight against Francis where Francis just looked unstoppable. Francis knocks him out. We haven't seen stepe in years now. Like how, when was the last time stepe fought? I remember it was at the apex and it was in the middle of the pandemic because there was no crowd. Yeah, which was crazy to see a heavyweight title fight with no crowd. It was nuts. Yeah, the pandemic days were wild. Wild. Everybody's wearing a mask hanging over their nose. It's all so stupid. It's Francis, right? Yes. Yeah, so March 27, 2021, 2021. 2021. And we're getting real close to 2025. So 2025, this fight happens in November, 2025 is just a fucking month away.

1:08:03That's a long ass time. But it's also a long ass time with no head injuries. It's a long ass time without getting two or three fight, zero gone fight, another fight, this fight, that fight. It's a long time without getting beat up. And even though he comes as a different version himself, what if he's been working on some stuff and he, yes, I mean, if he knows he's fighting John Jones and he probably knew probably for the last year and a half, I'm just studying one guy for a year and a half, just focus on him. Exactly. Change a lot of stuff. And, you know, we said time to rest, like let the chin recover because that's a, you know, I think Daniel Kormier landed the picture perfect right hand when he knocked out, Steve Bay.

1:08:45But I also think Steve Bay was probably beaten up from that Francis fight. That Francis fight was not much, I mean, I don't remember how many months, how many months was there between Francis, Steve Bay fighting Francis and then Steve Bay fighting DC seven months. Oh, that's not done. And a year before the previous fight. Yeah, a year before that's a different thing. It's the Francis fight was the damage. Francis was in the first round in particular. He landed some big shots. He was fucking scary. Shit, dude. So I think he, him coming in and fighting Daniel. I got to imagine he took some heavy blows in that fight.

1:09:23And, you know, like even if he didn't lose, he had to have gotten some damage. Like he may have been concussed. Like he got hit hard. Yeah, hard in that fight. And then do you go right back in a train? Like, no, you should take a long ass time with no contact at all and let everything heal up. And he probably didn't get a chance to do that. I mean, I think that's also Volcanowski after Islam. Yeah, that was his biggest mistake, right? Huge mistake. You just want to do it. One, you don't fight Islam on 10 days notice. You just can't. That just doesn't make any sense. That's crazy. He's so hard to beat.

1:09:59He's so good. He's, if he's not the best, it's you and him for the best pound for pound. And you're, you're, you're going to risk that on 10 days. That's crazy. And that again, changes the course of his career, right? That's wild, right? You know, if he doesn't take that fight, he says, I can't. I'm ready for Ilya Toporia. That guy's come and he knows how fucking dangerous Ilya is. And so he doesn't take that fight. And then he goes in fresh against Ilya and you have a much better fight. Yeah. Who knows who it won? But you got to think he was compromised from that. I mean, he got head kicked. Yeah.

1:10:31Head kicked.

1:10:35Shined to the rattle you for a long time. When you're, when you're just getting put out cold like that. And especially he probably cut a lot of weight to get to that point because he looked kind of flabby in that Islam fight. So we're taking a fight on 10 days notice. There's not a lot of guys that are around their, their weight class. Anyway, so they're cutting a lot. Then you have to go, all right, now I'm going to fight Islam. Who's number one pound for pound? And then that head kick. Islam looked like Michelangelo sculpted. He's so big. People are, he's, and he's so strong, so good. What does he weigh?

1:11:03What does he weigh like normal? Like right now, if you call them up, what do you weigh, brother? What would I say? I would, I would say at least minimum like 185, 190. The fuck out of here. He's 210 pounds. No, no, it's like I got 250 pounds. His strength feels like 250 pounds. That's right here. But that's the thing with them. They're always training. No matter what they're doing, they always at least run once a day or are grapple. So he's losing roughly 30 pounds to make 55 from the start, I would say. Yeah. He's big. That's about as big as you can get and keep doing that. That's big. Yeah. And he's tall.

1:11:38He's, he's lengthy and he has, he has power. He could go up to 70 easily, I think. Easily. He's got real power now on his feet, which is a, a new addition over the last, you know, X amount of years is stand up. It's gotten elite. Like you knocked down Olivera. He had Olivera in real trouble. The Volcanoski hit kick, though. And there's also the way he set it up. He kept kicking to the body. Oh my God. Yeah. I think people just assume that all he's going to do is wrestle. But then when you see him going there and outstrike somebody strike, he even boxed with poor, yeah. He has a really good hands in there with him.

1:12:09Yeah. And people, oh, wait, he could strike too. But it's great. He could do everything. He's, he's as good as it gets. He's good as he's the most complete fighter on the roster because he submits people like he submitted poor, yeah, in the final round. Yeah. Incredible. Incredible submission. But he was winning that fight already. Yeah. But then you know, he can also knock you out. He can, he literally does everything. He's one of the best wrestlers in the sport is top control and a squeeze is insane. Yeah. Like remember, he tapped out due dope, drew it over. He got to hold a drew over. It's like drew over.

1:12:40He had zero chance of moving. He wasn't going anywhere. He was just crushed. It was like, it was like he was fighting a man twice his size. I was just bringing that up when I talk about Dan Harker. He just went the war with camera. Exactly. And it's like I'm just took him down and tapped him out with like the first like two or three minutes. He tapped him out to the point where you like please tap, please tap, fucking tap. Dude, just tap. Don't let him do it. It looked like he was going to break his fucking arm apart. It's, it's so funny because like I'll be able like get guys in there. And he's the type that'll grapple on like just like talk, have a conversation as he grappling.

1:13:11But he had like Ali and a Kamora and he's like laughing and Ali's like tapping. He's just like, uh -huh brother, brother, give me coffee. And he's like, I'm like, bro, I think you're going to break his arm. I got some point. Like that's a terrible break too. That spiral brace. It's the worst. I like. They're so strong and it's like effortless with them. Their bodies move crazy. Yeah. I remember Michael Johnson. It could be you've got Michael Johnson and that Kamora. And I was like, Jesus, please tap, Michael. God, tap. Please. Just tap. I was like squirm out of my chair because I'm waiting to hear crack.

1:13:41Because I said, it's like the new girl, no, girl fight with Frank Mir. Yeah. You see his arms. You hear the snap. And you see him like look over his arm and his arms like halfway hanging. Oh, that's the one. That's the, that's the scary part about the whole thing. So scary. Yeah. Such a scary break. Because that your, this arm is never the same again. It's never the same again. Yeah. No matter what. They're going to screw things in there and bolt things. All your muscles have been cut. All your nerves are fucked up. It's never going to be the same arm. And then you have guys that are like crazy enough to like keep fighting after that.

1:14:13Yeah, they don't give a fuck with the broken arm. Break my arm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim Sylvia would Frank Mir broke his arm. Oh, here it is with no gear. Oh, Jesus, you got to make me look at this. Oh, and he looks down to his arm like, oh, God damn, please, ladies and gentlemen, tap, please tap. Sometimes you have to tap. Sometimes I know, I know, but sometimes you got a tap for the future. You just see that guy Mikey Moose and Metshi fought in one FC and he destroyed his leg. Yeah. The guy wouldn't tap. This fucking guy's an animal. He would not tap and I don't I was tapping at home. I couldn't believe it.

1:14:50He broke his leg like three times. He just kept breaking his knee left and right and ripping it apart and watching his knee. I'm like, that's destroyed. Yeah. There's your LCL. There's your look at this. This is so horrible. Oh, my God. Ah, like right now his leg is destroyed. His leg right now is fully destroyed. It's totally twisted. All his ligaments are fucked. He couldn't walk after this fight. I mean, look at his heel is totally the wrong way. His knee is twisted completely around. That is horrible. Oh, he's going that way with it. Oh, my God. The dude never tapped. The dude got his leg destroyed and never fucking tapped.

1:15:28He's, but he's probably never going to be the same again. Mikey has to have some like craziness inside of him just to keep going though. He's a evil little man. He has to be evil. He's a evil little man. He's a really, really, really nice guy. Yeah. But he's also got a switch. Yeah. There's a switch and he gets into that octagon and what's that? Why did you do that to me? That's what Mikey said to him. Yeah. He felt bad that the guy wouldn't tap. It was a crazy demonstration, but that poor guy. I mean, I got to think his, what kind of surgery? Find out what kind of surgery that guy had to have after that fight.

1:16:06I hate leg locks in general. Even at practice, I'll tell you guys, if you're going to put a leg lock out, I'm just going to tap. I'm not even going to play it because this, well, I came up before leg locks. So I didn't learn leg locks until late in my Getsu journey. I was already a black belt before leg locks seemed the big thing. What you already knew about him? I'd seen Dean Lister use him. I went, when Eddie went to Abu Dhabi, I went down there with him and Dean Lister was tapping people. Dean Lister was the first guy to really like fuck a lot of guys up with leg locks. In a few of those loot to leave right guys were really good at blocks.

1:16:35They would do them. But leg locks and Getsu tournaments were booed. People didn't want, yeah, man, because they ruined people's knees and no one really knew how to defend them. Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, kind of broken ankle. Oh my god. That's wild. Tor everything. Mikey said, I'm sick to my stomach. I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match. I've been training for 22 years. I never broke someone's leg that much. I broke it a lot of legs, but that leg exploded. I did know what to do. It was just disgusting and gross. I really wish he tapped. The result didn't change. Now he's in the hospital.

1:17:09So I don't know, but what a warrior he is for showing his will. That's why you got to choke people. You got to choke people. Some people just, they don't want to tap and they just go to sleep and that's okay. That's that's that's Marcel Garcia's route. Marcel Garcia never used Camoras because Marcel Garcia, all the, of course, you can do a Camora. He never used Camora because he felt like Camoras were like a strong man's move because you have to kind of yank it and you're resisting the arm. It's not perfect technique. So Marcelo was all about grabbing your neck. Like he had the nastiest key of teens.

1:17:40Do you ever watch Marcel? Oh my God. I was there live when he fought Shaolin in Abu Dhabi. Oh my God. Oh my God. It was like, what was that dude? The Tasmanian devil from the cartoons? That was like, yeah, yeah, just spinning around him, getting his back and put him to sleep. That's crazy. Oh my God. And nobody knew who Marcelo was. That was what was crazy. Like a lot of people respected him. Everybody knew he was a black belt, you know, Fabio Grigelle lineage, solid lineage. Everybody knew he was good, but God damn. Killer. Killer. Did you I stand a million dollar tournament with Craig Jones?

1:18:12I did. Yeah, I did. That one match was really good and to send my finals with them two kids. Oh yeah. Rutolo. Yeah. Who's the other catty fight? I forgot, but that was a fun. I think they said it's on YouTube as the greatest grappling match of all time. Yeah, that was a wild one. Well, the Rutolo brothers are so good. They're so good. And again, look, 20 years old, 19 years old, just coming up. The young ones, man. Young and explosive and wild. They do all kinds of crazy techniques. They catch darses from everywhere. And I like the ring. They did. And your target who's also a killer. So it was an incredible match.

1:18:45And these guys just went at it. I don't like that ring. Yeah, it's fun. It's like something different. I don't like it. I don't like it because it's another obstacle. I think they had it right before when there was no obstacles. Like this is a obstacle, right? This keeps you from being able to get up right. It's a thing that you have to think about. This is why I like I've said this before. I apologize for everybody's hurt. I think fighting should take place with no cage. It would be easier to see and I think it should be on a basketball court and you fight in the center. Yeah. If you can have basketball in the same arena as where we have UFC's, you take an enormous space.

1:19:19You mat it up. You put security around it. So nobody can get in. And nobody, you know, you put ropes up and guys step in and they fight right in front of everybody. That would be epic. No time. No time limit. No, I don't think I think you should have time limits. I think you should even have rounds. But if I was running things, this is what I'd do. Number one, first thing I'd do, cover the fingertips. A lot of fingertips open. They don't have to be open. All you need is the same you said UFC gloves right now and extend the lever like a mitten. The leather like a mitten over the tips of the front fingers and pull it back in there.

1:19:51I think it would help grappling. I don't think it would hurt grappling. So I don't think grapplers have a problem with it. They have no difference at all on your striking. You would just pull it like a bag glove. You know, like those old Everlast bag gloves. Yeah. But not even as thick. Just have it. So now you have one piece. So you don't have nothing that can go in your eyeball. Like we've seen fingers go in eyeballs before. So that would be eliminated. You would still have some abrasions of the eye. You could still run into fingers like that. It would suck. It would suck less though. Yeah. It would suck less.

1:20:19So that'd be my first thing I would do. Second thing I would do, wherever the fuck nobody gets stood up ever for any reason, unless I'm gonna get it's injured or some foul or something happens wrong, somebody bite somebody, some crazy shit, then stand people up. And then I think you put them right back down to the position after you take the point away or whatever you're gonna do. But once a guy gets you down, it's your job to get back up. And at the end of the round, if you're on your back and he's mounted you, you start the next round with him mounted you. You put the arm in the exact same place.

1:20:49He had an over hook on the right arm. And he's on top and he's got his hand on your bicep. Okay, this is how the round ended. This is how we start. And everybody looks at the screen and everybody looks at the guys and they go three, two, one fight. That would be wild. That would be real. Yeah. That would be real. Yeah. Because it's not five fights. It's one fight. It's one fight. That's five rounds. Why should it start on your feet every round? That's crazy. Why? Because just that's how it is in boxing to come out of their corner. Who fucking cares? That's stupid. Yeah. Start them where they you got to get better the same way you got sick.

1:21:25You got taken down. You got to get up. Somebody got you down. You got to get up. Because if you don't get up, then he's winning. He's figured out a way to hold you down. You don't want to be held down. He's holding you down. So he's winning. Even if he's not doing any damage, he's winning. He's holding you down. Everybody boo, boo. So what? So it'll affect your ticket sales. So you'll get less money for pay reviews. So what? But this is what real fighting is. That's real. That's the most pure version of the sport that we could offer. Giant, matted down space. You make it so that you have security around it.

1:22:01So no fucking psychos can rush. You know, you put ropes up so people can't pass it. Everybody's going to have a clear line of sight. No cages in the way. You still have the big monitors and really like that. But they fight in an enormous space and you have a danger zone. You got an outside danger zone. And if you keep going into that fucking danger zone, they take a point away. If you get kicked in the nuts, take a point away. You get poked in the eye. Take a point away. You grab the well, grab the fence. I think take a point away too. But let's have no fence. Yeah. No fence. So there's no way to take someone down except taking them down.

1:22:33You got to actually take them down. You can't get them up against the cage and trip them because they're back as I get no, no, no, you have to take them down on a flat ground with no help. And he's got to get up without the cage. You can't wall walk up to the cage and press his back up and use the leverage. Uh -uh. Uh -uh. Get up. You're in the middle of the fucking matted area. Get up. I'm just imagining guys like MVP and a wonder boy like to be able to catch those guys in a basketball court. Hard. Hard. Shadow Valley. Yeah. Hard. Great for them too. Bad for them if they could take it down though.

1:23:06Real bad. Yeah. Real bad because now you have to actually be able to get up. And you're stuck there. And imagine getting up with Kabeev on top of you. Has anybody ever gotten up? See that guy gets on top of you. You're fucked. You got to wait to the rounds over. Go ahead. Like when we went to grapple, like the round will be over with and it'll still be going. And he'd like no brother, you have to get up. And I'm just like, uh, I can't like the bell ring. Well, you got to get up. It's what you mean. I just say I top you. It'll be like a 15 minute round. It'll be like that's so crazy. Not stop is wild.

1:23:35But that mentality is why that camp produces so many assassins. I was very impressed with Umar. Oh, very impressed. Very impressed because now I always knew he was an elite kicker. You know, I mean, he's a he's an elite striker too. But to see him fight a guy like sandhagen who's so complex. He does so many things well. And to see him dominate that fight, I was like, wow, that's really impressive. That's really impressive. Yeah, I think he's the only has less than five fights in the UFC. He's still. Yeah, he's incredible. Starting. And I butcher his name one time. So that's how it's that. I just show that time.

1:24:07I couldn't it couldn't get out of my mouth. Like I don't know what it is. Like sometimes my mouth just don't work right. And that's fine. If you're doing a podcast, you can just say it again. Yeah. But if you're like saying it guys, that was like, I'm no better. Fuck. Like what did I say? I felt so bad because I really love the guy. I think he's awesome. And especially after the sandhagen fight, I think he's the most compelling contender in that division after Mara. Yeah. So after Mara, I think he's got to get that shot whoever wins. And him against either one of those guys is sensational. That's a sensational fight.

1:24:39That's like a elite top. That's like as good as we have to offer today in terms of martial arts talent. Yeah, 100%. The way he did sand like sandhagen's one of my favorite fighters. He's so good. How good Umar did against them. And didn't have really any moments of difficulty in there. And I was like, he's elite. Yeah, he's super elite. You know, I think about sandhagen. One thing I think about is, here's a bummer, TJ Dillshaw. Like TJ Dillshaw, let's imagine that TJ Dillshaw didn't blow out his shoulders because TJ Dillshaw beat sandhagen with one leg. Yeah. Which is crazy. And he beat sandhagen, sandhagen, sandhagen that fucked up Marlon Mara's sandhagen, sandhagen, sandhagen.

1:25:20Like the sandhagen of today, you know, that guy is fucking top of the food chain. He's very good and TJ beat him with one leg and a fucked up shoulder. This shoulder wasn't good back then either. Yeah, it was fucked up. But he figured out a way to win. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but how could it be? He had one ACL. He blew his fucking knee apart. But he still beat him. That guy's had so many fucking injuries. If you imagine TJ Dillshaw not having all those injuries and someone talking him out and going down 25, yeah. So big ears right now. Bro, it's huge. It's like a 180 pounds. It's wild.

1:25:52I'm like, that's not what I want to be. I wish I was tighter with him because I would have said, do not fucking do it. Look at him now. Oh my god. Yeah. His his piss would melt that you a lot of cup. Just put him in the shed and I does it in a room for the sevens just like do it get out. Do a best body contest. Their votes like takes. But you got to think, man, how good Cody no love was when he beat him, you know, when he stopped him. Dude, TJ Dillshaw was a bad man. Henning Barrow was the pound for pound considerate of number one fighter in the world when he was the band away champion. A lot of people, he was in consideration.

1:26:28Yeah. And TJ just pieced him up and did it like he was sparring. He was all loose and relaxed and he had that Dwayne Ludwig. I don't know if you're a train with Dwayne. No, he's got an incredible system. That bang Muay Thai system is one of the most complex and well thought out striking systems. I've ever seen like he's a maniac. He's got notebooks like binders with all these moves like locked in. And he if you watch Dwayne fight traditional like a lot of Muay Thai, a lot of Dutch kickboxing style nasty striker. But he didn't like switch dances all the time and do like TJ. But he figured that out.

1:27:10He figured out that this is the way the constant switching and striking from each stance and the constant footwork and movement all these patterns that they would get guys to lead into certain positions and do it. It wasn't just like smashing buttons like style bendelux talk about Dwayne's thought about it as like a real comprehensive striking program. And TJ was his best pupil. And TJ when he fought Hannah Barale was showing that style in its world class form. But people forget. People forget how good TJ Dill show was. They forget. He passed that fight with Sohudo. He test positive for EPO because he's literally dying to make 125.

1:27:46He looked like an Auschwitz concentration camp survivor. He did. He looked like they just opened the doors and let him out of the concentration camp. He had no skin on his face. His face was just it was just bones. He looked terrible. And TJ is a big guy for 35. He's big. He's a good solid perfect 35 pound frame. And somehow or another someone talked him into it or he wanted to do it for the challenge. Jason that greatness. Yeah. Fuck that man. Fuck that kind of cut. Yeah. Because he had to be starving to death in camp. So he he must have been like doing his camp while he was starving literally starting to death.

1:28:26Your organs are shutting down. Your brains not working anymore. And then when you're thinking about was the EPO just because of the weight cut. That's what he said. Right. But then he's thinking if he was using it beforehand how good Cody Nolo was before he fought him. And after him being a damnity cruise I was like the best performance ever seen him out like. And then he goes and gets knocked out by him. And if he says because he was an EPO. And it's like that changed your whole career. If you're cold. It does change your whole career. And you know there's guys have accused him of doing stuff other than that.

1:28:58And I don't know who's telling that's what he looked like. That's so crazy. That is so crazy. I wish I was his friend. I wish I was tight with him back then. And when he was I wish like he would have listened to someone who said just don't do that man. Don't fucking do that. You could be one of the all -time greats at 35 and stay there. But you also got to think like how many of his injuries got amplified because of that weight cut. How much body deterioration was he going through and then also going through camp. So he's pushing hard. He's wrestling. He's hitting the mids. He's sparring. All this while his body is deteriorating.

1:29:32So all his mass is down. All the muscle that's protecting his shoulders. Which are you know his super spinatus has been missing forever. His super spinatus has been ripped off the bone from like the beginning of his career. We were just I was talking to a guy yesterday about weight cutting. We were at the sushi spot. Um sushi by scratch. And then the sushi guy who was rolling it. He was like I used to be a weight cutter in high school when I was a wrestler. And I had a heart surgery because I was cutting weights. I was six years old. My dad would make me cut weight. Oh my god. Oh my god. That changed your whole life because you started cutting at that young.

1:30:05And he's like bro I had so many issues problems from there. And it was just wrestling. He said I wasn't even grappling or anything. I was just wrestling since the kid. My dad just made me cut weight. Since I was a kid it was like 109 pounds to like 90 pounds. And I was like how are you cutting weight that young? It's so bad for you. Yeah. It stunts your growth. There's a lot of wild shit to your body. Make your kidneys fail. And change your life. Change your life. Yeah. And you don't grow up right. It's like you're being poisoned from the time you're a kid. Your body doesn't develop right. Who knows what to do to this the future of your life.

1:30:38You might have taken a decade or two off of his life. And it just burns you out in general. You go to fighting after that. Exactly. You've been cutting weights since that long. Exactly. Now you're a fighter and now you have to co -weight. Right. Every single fighter I think has like a eating disorder two now after. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. Well how much do you have to cut? Me like I get around to like 190 and then when it's when I'm in fight camp and I'm training I'm walking around it 185. So like 15 pounds. Yeah, but I keep a chef with me for like this last five weeks. Ian Larios he's been with like DC, Kane and all of them guys and he lives in my house for five weeks and I tell people it changes your life.

1:31:18Like you you train so much better off it because he's giving you the right food to eat. Right. Before I would sit there when I'm cutting weight myself I'm like I'm not going to have breakfast. I'm just going to go to gym and train. Now I'm waking up and he's giving me like potatoes and eggs and I'm like I can't have carbs. What are you giving me these? Bro, you're not going to train. You're not going to have a good workout unless you have this stuff. So like there's no thought process with me. He just gives me everything my shakes my my food and then I come home from practice and then he has lunch on a table.

1:31:45Then I come home after another session and he has dinner on the table. And is he calculating the calories for each meal? Yeah. That's what's get where it gets fascinating. Right. When they calculate the calories for each meal they give you the exact right amount. Yeah. I think he's looking at the scale. So like he'll make me stop on the scale and it'd be five each. I'll be like bro no we're not we're not we still have like five more weeks. Like get on the scale so I won't look at it. So he'll look at it right in his phone and then he'll just keep track of it all the time. That's a eating disorder.

1:32:12It is. Yeah. Man. Look at it. I like bro. I don't even want to look at it because then it just it tells me like oh man I gotta do this. I gotta do that more but it'll make me push that much harder at practice. But I'm like I'm gonna push hard anyway for the fight. But I think mentally I just hate scales. I won't step on the scale until I have a fight. Yeah nobody's got to eat disorder like patty. Oh my god. Patty celebrates his eating disorder. That motherfucker gained 40 pounds after his last fight. And that's gonna literally kill him I feel like. It's not good. It's definitely well he's so good though man.

1:32:45I'm so impressed with him. Like he keeps getting but I thought Jared Gordon beat him. And I thought that fight to me was that was another one of those fights. If Jared Gordon wins then also Jared Gordon's got another big fight another give it to fight and he had two blunders in a row. You know not his fault the other one was the headbutt with Bobby. Yeah. But the patty one was a big one man because the patty one he was fucking winning that fight man. I felt that he was landing the big shots that counter left hook a sweet he looked good. I thought he won the fight. I thought it was a good fight but I thought he won the fight.

1:33:17And then patty fights Bobby Green and he looks like a world beater. He looks like a world beater that fucking the strategy was perfect. Stay on the outside. Fuck his legs up and then you realize how big patty is too. Like patty's a big 55er because Bobby's big. Yeah excuse me King. King that's wild. Jesus David King. I love that dude. Jesus David King. So King is you know he's tall dude too for the division. Yeah but you realize how big patty is and people think a patty only as a grappler but his kicks were on point and his kicks were on point. And he's tough in general. Yep those guys when you hit a guy and he's still staying in front of you and makes you want to shoot on him because I'm looking at Bobby like why would you shoot a take down a patty.

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1:36:06You realize like damn he's a big 55 or any caught him with that inside low kick. I mean, it might have been just instinct where Bobby just felt like he had a catch excuse me king fell again, how to catch that kick because it was available. But as a trap, the crowd in Manchester when petty walks out, it's like nuts. Yeah, he's a star. Yeah, over there. It's crazy. When I was sitting in the back, we were sitting in the back warming up and then we just hear the people going nuts and my family's like texting me like, man, I wish I were fighting so I could just enjoy this right now. Why to petty walk out.

1:36:37He's a scouser. He's just fun. He looks like he's having a good old time when he's out there and he could back it up. So that fight was big for him because that fight moves him into elite status, right? He goes from Jared Gordon and now, you know, couple of the fights now, bam, Bobby green, bam, someone's going to be a big name. So one next going to be a big game. And so he's thinking right now about his long, he's thinking about those guys at the top of the heat. He's at the point where I think one more, especially because of his name, if he gets like a hooker or a Chandler, right. And he gets past one of them guys.

1:37:09I see them giving them a big name. Don't you think considering the amount of growth that we've already seen from him though, like if you were in his corner, wouldn't you say, couple more, be good. Couple more, couple more. Don't rush. I would, but like for money wise, and I think he's about the big name, especially if the UFC, when you're thinking of lightweight, Oliver just lost, case, he just lost, hooker already lost to Islam. If Islam gets past our monitors, I mean, if a Gregor comes back and beats Chandler, he's there. But like there's not a lot of names right now for Islam because Gamma was who's supposed to be the backup and he just lost the hooker.

1:37:44Yeah. Islam walked through hooker. So you're like, who is Islam going to fight after our mind? Right. Right. It's a good question, good question. You know, because Gamrott was an interesting one. We're looking forward to that versus Islam. Like that could be interesting because he's such a good grappler. But when, you know, people forget about Dan Hooker, they forgot about him too. Yeah. He's a dog. Dan Hooker went blow for blow with Dustin Poirey. That was as close a fight as you're going to get. And again, another change of the career, right? Dustin moves on from that gets the corner fights.

1:38:14Dustin, Dustin becomes the man. Yeah. People forget about that fight. That was a fucking very close fight, a very good fight. And there was some moments where Dan Hooker was tuned in Dustin Poirey up. There's a video compilation online of hooker having Poirey against the road. He's ripping shots before the end of the round. He's a bad motherfucker. He's not like I fought with a broken arm. Yeah. He got his arm broken. Dan's a shatter. Yeah. Didn't say a goddamn word about it. Winds the fight. And then like, what happened? Yeah, it's just a scratch. He's why even at this fight, his face is like bleeding into rounds and he's like, I love this stuff.

1:38:53Well, he also loves like, you know, he had that devastating knockout loss to Chandler, right? Chandler comes out catches him with that leaping hook and drops him and just puts it on him and like, fuck, you know, this is a big high profile fight and he got caught. Yeah. And anybody can get caught. That's what's crazy about the sport. That's why it's so exciting. Anybody can get caught. But it's like, how can you bounce back? How do you bounce back and be the same guy after you got caught? Yeah. And that's the hardest part too, because you get caught and you don't really feel anything afterward.

1:39:23It's not like you went through a war injury. So you want to hop right back into it. You're like, let me get that up. Taste that on my mouth. Let me fight again. But you need like the coaches around you that say like, you still got a cushion. Chill out. Don't fight. Take a couple months off. Yeah. A gate she's taking a year off. Yeah. And it's like, you need those guys to hold you back because I've been knocked out before and it's like, you, I'm alright. I feel good. My body feels good. Like my, I don't have no scratches or anything. I didn't go through a 15 minute war. So I'm like, let me get another fight.

1:39:52Let me get another fight. But you're, you don't know what's going on in your brain. You don't know what your brain's dealing with. And that's going to be your future right there. Yep. Exactly. And so many fighters are, they're so tough. They feel fine. Their mind is, you know, their determination is strong. Like, I want to get back in there. Like that was the case with Jamal Hill. He was going to get right back in after the pehidafite. And he was going to fight round tree, which is, whoo, that's a bad fight. If you just got knocked out just a few months ago. That's a scary dude. And even be like taking the pehidafite.

1:40:24He had a, a 20 killies. And I think he just got cleared to come back from that Achilles. And it's like, right now you got to fight Alex in six weeks. Yeah. And I'm like, bro, that's, that's a short camp. And you're switching up right away. But he's like 300. It's such a big opportunity. Like, you can't say no to that. Yeah. And then yeah, you get knocked out by pehidafite. And you're like, all right, I want to get right back in there. But you're right back in there. It's going to be against a monster like round tree. I know. I know. Not a easy fight. It was funny because he was on your show. And I'm like, listen to him.

1:40:52And he's like, I may do just a tournament. And then I'm like, a week later, he gets a title fight. Yeah. I know. I know. He's on, no, no, no fucking way. Don't do that. Well, you do all that shit when it's over because I was, I remember Cubs Wanson did a juxtapment towards ACL. Yeah. Once, you know, once you tear some shit doing something stupid and you miss a title shot, you're never going to forgive yourself. Yeah. Pesh Khalil's like 35, you know, he's he's up in that age range too, where it's like now's the time. Yeah. So it was perfect timing. And a lot of people like Uncle I have should have got the title shot.

1:41:24But the problem is they already set up that fight with Rackage, which doesn't really totally make sense. Right. Yeah. Right. If you think has Rackage fought since yeary beat him up? No. Okay. So that kind of doesn't make sense a little bit. Yeah. It make more sense if Jamal fought Rackage. Right. Jamal, but Jamal wants something a little more high profile. I understand that. But I'm Uncle I have man. No one's beating him. Uncle I have had that one draw with Yon Bohovich and no one's beating him. Yeah. There's another guy everybody forgets about Yon Bohovich. What the fuck? That guy almost beat Paheda.

1:42:03He was right. That was just a close fight. Super close. Yeah. Down with the wire. Everybody's like, yeah, we already saw that. Like what? What? Yeah. You got to give Yon his deal. He was a light heavyweight champion of the fucking world and a destroyer. Yeah. But for whatever reason, I think they look at that number. They say, oh, he's 40 years old. Yeah. It's 41 years old. Whatever he is now. So what? So what? He's still fucked up, Dominic Reyes. He still fucks up everybody. Yon Bohovich is a murderer. Yeah. He's a scary dude, man. That's a good fight. And he's polis brother. They don't age. They're either killer.

1:42:37That dude's made out of rocks. I remember when Uncle I have in him we're going leg kick to leg kick. You know, he was kicking his shins. Yeah. He's fucking Uncle I have legs. I like this guy is nuts. And I'm like, so I went to my coach and I'm like, what kind of low kick would he do? And he's like, I think he was just going shinde shinde. He was. I'm not going to teach that. He was just saying feel Polish bone density slamming those fucking shins into the shins. But if I'm Paheda, I like, I'm going to pick all the strikers. Like him and Rontry is going to be a crazy one. He's the only loss against Paul Craig because first fight in the U of S.

1:43:09Oh, yeah. Uncle I've got caught in a triangle. That's right. Last second. Yeah. Last second is. Oh, fight. He was a Paul Craig has the nasty triangle in a division. For sure. One of the nastiest triangles in the sport. Look at this. Look how quick he snatches that shit up. Boom snap and too late. So here we got, I think there was like five seconds to go when he locks this up. He tapped. Oh, unbelievable man. That's a lie. But so Uncle I was at his long ass win streak. He looked real good in his last fight. And then they give him a guy who. So he beat Johnny Walker twice. One of them with Johnny Walker.

1:43:43It was like a injury, right? The desert. What happened? He was in a Abu Dhabi and he got a need while he was down and then the doctor came in and he said, why are you and he said desert and the doctor stopped it. Oh, that's right. And he got mad. Like why are you stopping it? Yeah. That's right. That's right. But so he has the draw with Yon Behobuch. He K .O.'s Anthony Smith. Beats Thiago Santos. Beats Volcan. Beats all these guys. I mean, he's beating a lot of guys. I mean, he's got a really good skill set where you think with a guy like Paheda because he can wrestle. He can strike and he can wrestle.

1:44:19And he has a knockout. A huge knockout against Johnny Walker last. So that's yeah. So I guess for him, he fights Rockage. I favor him in that fight. But Rockage is fucking dangerous as shit man. You know, Rockage has had a long time off of the Pahap Pahasca fight and Rockage look real good in that fight. He was eating Yuri up before but Yuri was just walking through everything. Yuri's like the new age 20 Ferguson where you hit me. I'm gonna hit you with five other punches. Yeah. And it's gonna make you tired of just hitting me and I'm gonna catch you. It just doesn't work with Poetan. Yeah. You can't you can't be getting hit by that guy.

1:44:53I want to feel as low kick. Just because I'm like, bro, what does he do? Like he just touch it. It feels like he just like touch you with his foot. And then it's like you can't walk afterward. He's targeting it too. He doesn't ever go shit in the shin. And even when he checks, he doesn't go shit in the shin, he lifts his leg up like he's playing Haki sack. Yeah. He just lifts his leg up. He just goes ankle. He just lives his ankle. So his foot comes all the way up to his other knee and then he drops it back down and he comes in with the right hand. Like he's got it down where if you try to ankle kick him, he's got so many counters for that calf kick.

1:45:25And he's feel like he's like on every pay review now. Like they just, hey, we need somebody to put the bat still out there. And he's like, all right, I'm ready. He's gonna fight anybody. Yeah. He's fighting in Salt Lake City against Roundtree. And that that's a wild ass fight, man. That's a wild fight. A lot of people say, oh, Roundtree doesn't deserve it. Let me tell you something. Roundtree fights like you just killed his family and lit his house on fire. That dude's coming for you. Yeah. He's coming for everybody. He's not going to shoot a take down. Yeah. There'll be no take downs. He's fucking dangerous, man.

1:45:57But if you, you know, you think about the, the lit like Paheda's striking like his overall accomplishments are second to none in MMA, two division glory world champion. I mean, and the thing about him is that that fucking power is just freakish. And he's just like touches it though. It feels like, what is that? You see him hit the power cube and you got one ninety one on the power cube with a right hand. And that's not even his left hook. Like hit it. Well, he probably doesn't want anybody to know. Hit it with the left hook. That's the sleeper. That left hook is the sleeper. It'd be like 5 ,000.

1:46:34You're right. It's crazy. He just touches people. And it's when you, when you're starting to see his personality come out now, more it's, it's so fun. It's because Glover is like the nicest guy in the world. And at first, Alex was like so quiet. And now he's starting to see Glover pull it out of them. Even when he wins, he's never like, yeah. And so he's like, yep. Another day. Yep. Another day. Another day. Another dude I put to sleep. Like even after you beat Izzy, you just walked away from him. The referee stopped the fight and he just walked away. But there's something exciting about that too.

1:47:04Like that guy's one of the biggest paper view stars in the country, in the world. And most people don't understand what he's saying. And he's a star, right? He's a huge star. All he has to do is make facial expressions. Yeah, but it's also it's scary. When he comes out with the bow and arrow. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Ah, fuck if you like, if you're sitting there watching that guy walk to the cage like, oh, shit. I mean, like, think it's myself. I got to come up with some sort of stick like that. Like I got to figure out something. But I'm like, I can't think of anything. No, I just like look face.

1:47:37Yeah, you got to be yourself. Yeah, that's either you or that's not you. But that's the coolest thing in the world. Whenever I have one of his fights to see that walk out face, dude.

1:47:48And the music. That is the most terrifying face. Him walking towards the cage. You're standing there. You've been prepping for this dude for 12 weeks. And you're like, oh, Jesus, here comes.

1:48:16Oh, Bro, I hate seeing that one just to Jamal's my boy. And I'm like, I like obviously I'm a fan of head of a man. See, I'm just like, catch my boy. He's like, come on Jamal, give it, give one back just to get that taste out of our mouth. Well, there was a weird moment in that fight. We've talked about it before where Jamal accidentally low kicked him. And the referee moves into stop. And Jamal stands up straight and relaxes like you okay. And when Poetam puts his hand on her Dean, he advances. He makes a little hop step. And then he goes right back to fighting and he catches him with the left hook.

1:48:49So he closed some distance. And it's a game of inches. Oh, especially with that guy. Yeah, especially for a reason. And then when you see somebody break it down like that, like you said, everything changes. Imagine if he didn't. Imagine the refs that are high. Both you get you back up, you back up. Yep. Yep. Everything changes. Yeah. Yeah, everything changes. But that's moments and fights, you know, and maybe that will define Jamal's career. Maybe Jamal will learn from that and never be never take his eye off the prize again. Yeah. Never relax. And I guarantee you he won't relax now. Yeah. It's protects yourself at all times.

1:49:20And I guess, you know, I see it from Praha at his point of view, too. The referee said, okay, keep going. And he caught him. But he did close that distance because of that low kick. So it is. And it's open up a lot of fighters' eyes, too, right? Because you're starting to see these little things. Yeah. For me now, I'm like, not the reptiles, be something. Yeah. I'm either taking one step back myself or I'm going to take that step forward and catch that right ahead of this as myself. You just can't relax ever. Yeah. You can never relax because it's such a game of impossible things happening in any moment.

1:49:51There's so many guys have pulled out impossible things. Headkicks, spinning elbows out of nowhere. You know, things happen. And if you've relaxed even for a second, yeah, the Koreans I'll be Yaya. Oh my God. Upper cut elbow. Oh my God. What was running away? Upper cut elbow with like two seconds. Yeah. Crazy. How crazy. Just happened right now. When you Yaya, uh, landed that jumping roundhouse kick on Andre Feeley. Oh, this is a kick. Wow. My God. His kicks are so nasty. Yeah. There's it's so interesting to see all these different ways to get elite. There's so many different ways. You know, some guys are specialists like Paheda and some guys just dominate all aspects like Islam.

1:50:33You know, there's like all these different ways that guys achieve to becoming the best. Yeah. That's my mindset. I like, I always tell myself I'm behind because I got started late. So I'm like, I didn't do more starts than I was a kid. So I always got to tell myself, oh, we got to do everything. There's not like one thing that I'm like amazing at. Right. But people see the fight and I'm like, oh, all you are is a wrestler or all you are is this and that. I was like, bro, I do everything and I train everything more than everybody else. And I, like, I don't take any days off. How old were you when you first started training?

1:51:04I was 23. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's way behind the curve. Way behind. Way behind. And I didn't do know. I did like two years of high school wrestling. Wow. Yeah. At least you had that. Yeah. That's definitely something. Oh, no. I mean, I'll change my life. Because you're in a high school, your body's developing. Yeah. You know, your body's developing where you learn how to take people down. Yeah. That helps for sure. But if nothing by 23 is crazy. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I always played sports in general. I was still striking at all. Nothing. No, I mean, I would always get into like a street fights in like Chicago just because I'm a trash talker when I play basketball.

1:51:40So like, we would always sit there and go to a park and then people would see like, who these A -wraps come into play basketball? I'm talking trash. They want to start a fight afterward. So it was always the best. But what made you start training? My high school wrestling coach, Lewis Taylor, he was like the PFL middleweight champion. He was in my high school wrestling coach for two years. And then he'd like left. And so I'm like, whatever happens. He was like that cool coach, that young coach. And he was like, gone. So I stopped wrestling. And then I was at school for just, I was trying to be like a lawyer.

1:52:10And I ended up seeing him in a newspaper. He was fighting in strike for us. So then I just like messes him on Facebook. And I was like, bro, you're a fighter. And he's like, yeah, I was like, what happened to you? He's like, I was still young. I still had something left in me so I wanted to start training. And he used to be like rampages roommate in college. So he already had like that mindset of like, oh, these guys are fighting. I could fight too. Right. Right. So then he his gym ended up being probably like 10 minutes away from my mom's house. So when I come home from school on the weekends, I'll just start training with them.

1:52:40And then it was just like a snowball effect. I started like falling in love with it. And after my first amateur fight, I was after like two months, I was like, could I get a fight? He was like two months. Yeah. Because I was just like excited about the whole thing. And for us two, it was like, we were only training partners. So I'm training with them. And like, I'm learning the hard way. Like we're just going straight sparring or straight wrestling. And he was like a division one wrestler. He had crazy power, crazy jutsu. So I'm getting good just because he's beating me up the whole time. So then I'm like, oh, I can fight amateur.

1:53:08And he's like, yeah, let's go get you one. Wow. Yeah. So then I got it. It was like the biggest tree fight in the world. The amateur fight. It was like nothing good about my technique or anything. But it's funny because Mark Coleman was a commentator for it. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was like the whole scenario was crazy. And it was like a bar. And it was just like, cool. So then after that, I was like, bro, all right, I transferred to like a closer school near the gym. I started training more with them. And then, you know, my parents are telling me like, stay in school. Stay in school. So then once I started just like getting more wins, more wins.

1:53:39And I decided to go pro. I said, I'll go back to school after I lose. And then we just kept going. And so we got to the UFC. Wow. Yeah. It was wild. He's still with me now to this day. But even with him, he was 41 years old. And they never gave him a UFC shot. But he had to go into PFL. And he was like a 1200 underdog. And he won the million hours of 30 seconds with a knockout. Wow. Yeah. He was fighting a boost. Mega matter of the one that's in the UFC now. They were in the finals. The first he beat a boost. He beat a boost. 30 second knockout. Yeah. A boost is good. Yeah. And he was 41 years old.

1:54:12Never got his shot. And it's crazy how his career ended like that. Mid -away champion retired on top now, million dollars. And there's a lot of guys that good at UFC. They don't hit a million dollars. That's true. So he's like, my path was that way. So even with me, when I was doing all this waiting for this title fight, he's like, patience. It's going to come. Like you saw what I had to go through. Your title fight is going to come. It's going to come at the right moment. So just enjoy the journey. Can you find that fight? See if you can find that fight, Jamie. Lewis Taylor. And a boost. Mega matter of a boost.

1:54:42Had a great first round with Sean Strickland, a great first round. But that was like Sean Strickland is just a zombie. He just marches towards you. And you can't hit him. He's hard to hit. But he was fucking his legs up. I was hoping that boost a knockout. I was like, come on, a boost. Please. Bro, he was putting an on him in that first round. When he started getting tired, by the end of the first round, he was tired. He threw everything at him. Yeah. Everything was full clip too. Full speed full clip. And I was like, because even a PFL, the weight he was killing everybody, he was like, so he was 41 in this fight.

1:55:11Yeah. That's so crazy. So this is the PFL championships in 2018. Yeah. And it's crazy because they got rid of the middleweight division after this. So now they don't have middleweight there anymore. How is that possible? It's because they wanted to put the women's division, the 55ers. So they got rid of the middleweight guys. Can I talk to somebody over there? I was a boost. See, there's a low kick. His low kicks are nasty. He just for whatever reason, a boost has a hard time sustaining it. I mean, I think he's getting better in the UFC. And I think the Sean Strickland fight was just too quick.

1:55:42Oh, left hook. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Back that up again.

1:55:51Look at this.

1:55:55They go shin, shin. Boom. Oh, my God. The distance he covered with that low hook. And it's like a boost. He's been blocking it too. Like, he just has crazy power. Is there something about guys who are really good at shooting that same ability to cover distance when you make a double leg is the same kind of drive that you need to move forward to punch. That's one of the reasons why Randall was so dangerous. Yeah. Because Randall men had that crazy shot. So you could explode forward and punch you from a distance. You really can't punch him. That's incredible. Look how much distance he covers. Jamie just broke it down.

1:56:28Look at this. Yeah, he hopped in there. Now go go back a little bit further, please. Just a little bit further before he throws the punch. He's way back there, dude. Watch this. Look how far away he is. Oh, my goodness. A boost made a mistake that he tried to counter. He was thinking about countering before the punch got to him. And he just wasn't quick enough. That's incredible. Good for him, man. Good for him. And that guy's legit, man. To knock out a guy like that, a boost is legit. Yeah. When people go back and look at his record, he had like 10 first round finishes. Wow. And it's come up.

1:57:01But like the UFC just said he was too old. They never gave him a shot. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. And I was like, bro, if people just saw him. And even when he started his career, like I said, I was like one of his main training partners from the beginning. If he was like an American top team or like a real gym because he had kids early. So he didn't want to like leave them. So he always trained in Chicago. And he's like, I'm going to build up my own guys. So we had like a small gym like three or four guys that he just used as the main training partners. And there's some do is they can compete at a world class level deep into their 40s.

1:57:30And I always point to Bernard Hopkins. Everybody wrote Bernard Hopkins off before he fought Kelly Pavlik. And he beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik. And he just boxed him. He just did everything perfect. It was a masterclass in boxing, a masterclass of world championship caliber boxing against a guy in Kelly Pavlik, which is fucking dangerous, man. Wicked puncher, tough as shit. That germane Taylor fight was crazy. He was out in that fight and came back to stop Taylor. Just a warrior, a real dog. So Bernard was like, how old was Bernard when he fought Kelly Pavlik? When he fought Felix Trinidad, everybody wrote him off.

1:58:08He was like 36 or something by the time he fought Trinidad. Oh yeah. Yeah, man. Everybody rode him off. Wow. Bernard was wild too. He threw the Puerto Rican flag down on the ground in Puerto Rico. And he had a run. People were chasing him. Hey, Rand. Yeah, to ride. Yeah, to run. They were trying to kill him. Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, he told me the whole story was hilarious. Yeah, he's a, I mean, but whole was Bernard. 43 years old when he fought Kelly Pavlik. Come on, son. 43 years old. That's so crazy. He beat Roy Jones Jr. when he was 45. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. What the hell? Dawson was a killer.

1:58:53Chad Dawson was a vicious knockout artist. And he knocked him out in the second round. And then he, look, look, you're lost again against him in the next fight. That's how good Chad was. Chad was a fucking good fighter that he lost to Kovalev. He lost to Joe Smith Jr., which was a bad one. But he was 51 years old when he fought Joe Smith. And Joe Smith is another one who's a fucking killer man. He's a dangerous puncher. Joe Smith is a maller, dangerous guy. 51 years old. That's wild. Natural. 51 years old. What do you think of Tyson and Jake?

1:59:29I wish he didn't do it. I wish it wasn't a thing. I wish it wasn't a thing where a 58 year old guy was going to fight a 28 year old. That said, that out the window. I fully support his desire to do it. What is he going to live forever? He's not going to live forever. Maybe once one more shot at it. Maybe his body can do one more fight. I don't know. He looks great on the mits, but that doesn't mean that you know as much as I know. I can look good on the bits. I tell people that they broke mits. They just show anything. Especially if you're watching 30 second clips, which you want to see is him sparring.

2:00:01You want to see him hitting the bag for multiple rounds. You'd want to see like, let's see three rounds hard on the bag. Let's see what you could do. I want to see how your feet move. I want to see what it looks like if you're off balance when you throw in combinations. You look like Tyson. Remember, there's some videos of Tyson hitting the bag when he was like 19 years old. It's crazy. Watch the speed and see if you find that Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag when he's young. Terrifying. Terrifying. That to me, a bag is different than mits. Mits guys are meeting you halfway. You know, you've got a combination worked out.

2:00:40Okay, I want you to go left, right, left to the body, right over hand. Okay, do it again. It kind of can look real good. Yeah, but can you do that with a guy who's moving? Can you can you spar? Like if would they bring in a world class heavyweight? Can you do that? Like, what how do you move? How are your knees? How's your back? Like, are you can you sustain that? Can you sustain those kind of explosions? Or is just just a gimmick? You know, I mean, I don't know. I know he used to be able to, but we won't really know. So here's him. Mike O' Tyson. Yeah, kill the sound. You don't have to see the sound.

2:01:16Just look at this and he's young here, man. Young.

2:01:24So that's him hitting the bag later in life. I would want to see rounds, you know, I want to see rounds. I want to see what it looks like when he's tired, how quick does he get tired? I want to see him sparring. I wonder if he's going to spark that one. He's young, man. Dude terrifying. Those combinations when you sit back show that again. Bro, he was so fast, so fast and always moving, always moving, bobbing and weaving. He was a target that you couldn't find just moving atcha constantly advancing. Just a mindset. Like just craziness. Madness. Just can just controlled madness in there with perfect technique and ferocious power and awesome genetics.

2:02:06You know, they said that Teddy Atlas told me that when he was 13 years old, he would bring him to smokers and they would go how old is that kid? He was a 13 years. He's 16. He's like fine. He's 16 and he was 190 at 13 years old. What? Yeah, 190. Wow. 190. That's wild. What? That's God. He got a gift. He got a God kissed his physique. You got to smoke your 13 year old and you see that guy. What the fuck? What are you talking about? That's a man. I pulled guard. I said, box, fuck this. Yeah. And he scared a lot of guys before even through their first punch. I remember Bruce Selden. He missed a left hook of Bruce Selden.

2:02:50Bruce Selden went down. He's like, fuck all this. Fuck all this. Fuck all this. Yeah, how do you want to mess? Yeah, but but he's 58. You know, I support him. I love that guy. I fully support a gigantic fan of his. Me meeting him the first time I met him at the UFC was there's some star struck moments where you meet people like, oh shit. That's sugar Ray Leonard. You know, oh shit. That's Mike Tyson. And Mike, I was the one of the most star struck moments I ever had. Really? Couldn't believe I was me. Mike Tyson. That's wild. Yeah. I did a podcast with him. I was like, I can't believe I'm talking to Mike Tyson.

2:03:26He just seemed he was such a huge part of my childhood. When I was a kid was when he was coming up, I have been my office framed the cover of sports illustrated when he was 19. Wow, really? Yeah, it says kid died of my see if you can find that. I had it back then. Oh, no, no, no, someone gave it to me recently. I mean, I've been sports illustrated. I don't know who sent it to me. Do we? Do you know who sent it? Somebody sent it to me. Thank you whoever did it. I forgot. I sorry. But that's the cover. That's framed in my office. And 19 years old and the cover is I think that was 1985. Is that what year that was?

2:04:06Does it say what year that was? See if you can find it. Was it 86? Okay. So that was right before you won the title. He won the title when he was 20. So I was like just out of high school and he was the guy like heavyweight boxing had gotten boring. Nobody cared. After Larry Holmes, it's like people were bored with heavyweight boxing. There was a bunch of champions and nobody heard of. It was like they weren't really interested. No disrespect to any of those guys, but they didn't excite the public the way Muhammad Ali did the way George Foreman did. It wasn't the heavyweight boxing was kind of dead and then all of a sudden this dude comes along.

2:04:38He like, oh my god. And he was doing everything you wanted a heavyweight to do. Just starching people, just sending them flying. He didn't make any noise. He's going to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. And then he fights Trevor Burbick and knocks him out quick. I'm like, oh my god. I don't remember. But I remember a lot of times people wouldn't want to buy Mike Tyson paper views because they knew the fights could be over so bad. It was nuts, man. So this is is this a documentary? It says Kid Dynamite 1985. Also, this is him when people were just starting to hear about him and he came through the ranks quick.

2:05:23Just was fucking everybody up. He was having a hard time getting fights. And everybody thought this is the guy. This is the next destroyer. I mean, he was just killing people, man. Everybody thought was getting fucked up. Oh my god. Just that head movement and inside of his wild. Everything. And the power. It was just that's what you wanted to see from a heavyweight. So that guy is still alive. And he still remembers all these moments. It's not like he doesn't know how to put his knuckles on your face. The question is how much does he have left in his body? 58 today is not 58 when I was 21. It's a different 58, especially if they're not testing him.

2:06:04Okay. They're letting him take hormones and peptides and do all the things that I would recommend 100%. I don't know how you could do it if you're 58 if you're not doing that. If they're allowing him to do all that stuff and get his body to the optimum level that's known to science, you're dealing with a different kind of human being. You're dealing with one of the greatest fighters it's ever lived. It's just how much does he want to do it? Is he doing it for money? You know, how much does he have left in the tank? Those are all questions that'll make me buy the paper view. It's not Netflix. Oh, it's free.

2:06:39Yeah, that's right. It's free. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. 100 % I'm going to watch it. I'm going to feel bad if he gets knocked out. Yeah. But you know, Tyson addressed the meeting with his usual boldness during the press conference to show his readiness for battle. He said, I'm just ready. I'm ready. I'm going to talk my talk and do my shit, but I'm ready to fight. Is he really a young killer? Tyson said discounting any questions on his readiness, reacting to Paul's taunting, Tyson's need to postpone the fight because of an ulcer flare up earlier in the summer. Former champion made a strong statement about his unmatched abilities.

2:07:11He said, I feel a lot better now. Who else can do it, but me? Who else is going to fight to make this happen? You got a YouTuber fight and the greatest fighter that ever lived. I want to hear him say that. That sounds coming out of his voice would be like. We also have to remember about Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson knows how to mentally prepare. He was trained by customado who was a hypnotist and customado started hypnotizing him when he was 13 years old. Really? Yeah. That was part of the reason why he was so terrifying. His mindset was just unstoppable. He really thought that he could not be stopped.

2:07:45He thought he was going to murder everybody and cuss was his hero. Cuss raised him. Cuss took him in when he was 13 years old. He had his terrible childhood. No love. Just in and out of trouble. Terrible. Bad situation. Horrible poverty and crime. And then all of a sudden he's being taken care of by this dude who's a master boxer, master boxing coach, a trained world champions like Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson. And now he's got this young pupil. This is his last hurrah and the greatest shot he's ever had. And having a real all -time great. I mean, this guy's an all -time great and he's 13. Wow.

2:08:22Yeah. He's a 13 -year -old 190 pound kid like what in the fuck? And he's got this kid and he's hypnotizing them and he's telling them you're the greatest and he's getting into his head. So for the time he was really young. He was learning mental preparation. He was learning how to put himself into a mindset of just an unstoppable juggernaut that had one goal, one task and cuss would tell him, you don't exist. Only the task exists. Like you don't exist. What you have to do exists. That's what you are. Wow. That's powerful. All right. That's the question is how much does that guy have left? You know, conventional wisdom would say this is a terrible fight.

2:09:07Conventional wisdom would say there's a 28 -year -old with knockout power, just knocked out Mike Perry. He's real fast. He's young. He's fucking athletic. He's bold as shit. He's a good boxer. He's a very good boxer. People don't want to give him his credit because he's a YouTuber and all that shit. Anybody who knocks out Tyrone Woodley with one punch can fucking crack. Anybody that can move the way that dude moves and have a fight with Tommy Fury who's a world -class boxer and he lost that fight and it was a very good fight. He's a good fighter, a real good fighter. And he's actually training.

2:09:40Like he's getting better. People are just like sleeping on him just because he's a YouTuber. But I'm like he just be Mike Perry who was killing it. Yeah. And the barren Uncle Boxing. Yeah. He was like on top but I don't want to give credit. What have been interesting to see him fight Mike Perry? Barren Uncle though. That's it. That changes everything. That changes everything. My Perry is the best at that shit. Well that's a different. It's interesting how that's a different sport because it really is a different sport. So a whole different thing when your hands aren't covered and you feel those bones piercing your skin.

2:10:11It's a mindset too. Yeah. It's like he's a 100 % human pit bull. That's a 100 % human pit bull. That guy has no foot him. No foot. You know he's fucking throws caution to the wind at every possible occasion. You can hit him. He's going to hit you back. He knows how to take punishment. He likes it. He likes getting hit. He broke Rockles teeth. Yeah. And I was like broke Luke Rockles teeth. He's way bigger too. Yeah. Well imagine. Okay. How about him and MVP? Okay. Him and MVP with the gloves on an MMA fight. You favor MVP right? Whatever. MVP MVP is super hard to hit. He's got crazy distance management.

2:10:51Those kicks in that distance and the long length. But he decided to take a challenge and fight Mike Perry. Barren Uncle because he thought, look, I can move better than anybody. I am I am the most elite mover in all of MMA. And I'm going to fight this flat footed meathead psychopath. And that flat footed meathead psychopath just walked him down and dropped a couple times. Yeah. Yeah man. Crazy. Crazy. It changes everything. It changes everything. And just the scarring. I hear like your knuckles and your faces after that. Yeah. Your face is getting sliced open. But they're starting to pay these guys.

2:11:26When you see guys like Eddie Alvarez and Chen Men is going over there. You're like, yeah. But Gregor like a owner or part of it now too. Yeah. But Gregor's grinding though after Mike Perry lost. He said, yeah, I've got to turn out. I really just tweeted. I wonder if this guy tweeted for himself. He's tweeting for fun. Apparently Mike Perry has a piece of Barren Uncle too. Oh, does he? Yeah. I think that's what he said. He's like, I'm one of the owners too. Motherfucker. He's the face of it. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't even be watching it if Mike Perry was not there. I think regular boxing is just very different.

2:11:57It's very different. Would you get away with the fact that you can't really clinch and punch the way those guys do. And Barren Uncle boxing, those guys are getting grimy. There's a lot of dirty boxing in there. It's just so different when those Barren knuckles touch you. It's just so different. It's different. You can't guard as much. You're still stuff's getting through. You don't have the big cushions in front of you. Those big cushions mean a lot, man. They stop a lot of shit. It's wild. The difference is even when we're sparring with big gloves or sparring with smaller gloves that we have, it's like, it changes everything.

2:12:28Yeah. And then even though no padding on your knuckles, like, you don't even want to throw his heart. Right. Yeah. Right. And your wrist will break easily. So you have to punch a specific way. I think they both, they all have like a different format of, you know, the way they punch. They just hold their wrist in a different way like this or something like that. Yeah. Even them old -timey boxing guys, they all were holding their punches like this. Those Barren knuckle guys, they all fought like this. They jabbed each other like this. They were just trying to only hit with these two knuckles. Yeah.

2:12:59When we were younger, we would do that. Like, we're going to punch somebody in like the knee or something like that. We'll put that knuckle out there. Even though I just think I was stupid it was, but I mean, you could use that Barren knuckle. You could definitely use an eyeball. Yeah. If you punch something like that on purpose, the eyeball, like that's real. I want, has there been eye pokes in a lot of eye pokes in their fighting? That's a good question. I don't remember any. Yeah. It's like, I haven't really even thought about that, but I don't think it's feel like there has. I think in MMA a lot of them come from this.

2:13:27A lot of them come from that distance management. Yeah. And I think that's, whoo, I think one point every time pokes someone's eye one point and no one will ever do that again. Everybody will keep their hand closed. Yeah. You poke someone with the fingers one time one point. It should be trained. Like, even out of practice, if somebody's putting their fingers out, it's like, we all close your fist. Yeah. That should be like a natural. It shouldn't be even thought. It shouldn't be a habit. What's just such a natural instinct to try to push a guy away from you? Yeah. And if a guy's coming at you and you're trying to push them away, those fingers go right in there, man.

2:13:59You see the wide been fight? Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. And that's one of those two where you're like, same thing. Bro, right. But then I'm like annoyed by white makes them like, bro, you did poke them in the eye, but he's saying like, oh, he shouldn't have felt like that. I'm like, bro, when you get poked in eye that bad. Yeah. That was a referees problem. Yeah. The referees should stop that. Just stop that on that last eye poke for sure. But maybe he didn't see it. Maybe it wasn't a position to see it. Yeah. It's just it's hard. I mean, I mean, I understand how hard it is for a ref. Even with stopping fights.

2:14:29We were looking at somebody who was this weekend, Gerald Mearshar, where he was getting beat up. And then I'll suddenly call him a submission. Yep. After that, you're like, some refs would have stopped the fight in that round. So it's like the good refs that, you know, give you a longer leash and then the shorter refs that, that many crews you and that he crews you hate you for the rest of your life because you stop a fight too early. Who did Jared Cannonier get stopped by? Who is his Jared, not the last fight, but the fight before that. There was a bad stop. And Bob off. In my boss. No, no, no, no.

2:14:58That's right. Not sitting in a ball. And that was another one of those situations, the same kind of situation where you're like, that's not a stoppage. He's standing up. He's up. Yeah. You know, the last one, he got hurt harder by Bojolio when he got dropped that looked worse than the fight where he got stopped previously. And if you beat, in my boss. Yes. You're in title content again because he was on a street. But now you're on a two -fight losing streak. Yeah. And it's 40. A ref stopped it. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy how those little moments in a fight can change the entire career of a fighter.

2:15:31You never know. Like at any moment, something screwy can happen, you know. So is this it? So here it is. In my boss is hitting him with some good shots for sure. Jared's definitely getting hit. But he's firing back. And the referee stops it. And he's like, what the fuck are you doing? And he's a good rep. He's a very good rep. And he faced some serious criticism after that fight. And I think, you know, he made a mistake. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he was probably trying to save Jared from further punishment. He thought it was over. But Jared was like, I got a lot left. I was not as badly hurt as he thought.

2:16:07And when the thing is, the problem is when a guy is teeing off on you, even if you're not getting hurt, it looks bad. Even if you're moving away and covering up and you're getting out of the range, you're stumbling around. Yeah. It looks bad. But you could still come back. And you've got to give the guy the opportunity to still come back. You got to know, you don't let him take shots when he's out. But you got to give him the opportunity to be able to come back. And when a guy's standing and still throwing back, you got to give him a chance because fights are fights. Things change. Yeah. Guys, he might have got burned out from that because he emptied the gas tank.

2:16:38We've seen that happen many times. And there's some fighters that just like look bad. And they make it look just because they're the body movement's weird. Right. You look, I mean, Drisket always looks like he's dead tired and dead in there. And all of a sudden, he comes back and wins a fight. But there's just guys that just don't have that good look all the time. You ever take a pletches? Everybody's baffled by trickers. Oh, I like what is going on? How's he beating everybody? Like what is going on? Like, it's wild. He's a bulldog. That dude, I was stunned. I was stunned by the autosignified.

2:17:09I was stunned. Me because I was looking good. He's looking good. But Drisket was looking good too, you know, and Drisket is laying a lot of leg kicks. He's got that real sneaky left high kick too. That left high kick comes out of nowhere. It's just the awkward. He's just like who's so awkwardly awkward. But game. Yeah. So game. He has so much heart. Like even when he started taking those bad shots, when he was shooting his autos and he's not like, oh, he's about to break. Yeah. And then obviously you see him still have a lot left in the tank. He's a tank. Yeah. He is a tank. He marches forward, man.

2:17:41And the way he capitalized, he hurt Izzy with a couple good punches. One good left hook. He hurt Lizzy and Izzy moved away. And then they got into another exchange. He hit him with those two right hands from the clinch. And then got his back. And once he got his back, he was like that. Yeah, it was quick. He went right to the choke, right to the choke and cinched it up. I mean, between the time, or he hit Izzy to the time where Izzy was tapping with just a few seconds. Yeah. And for me, I thought Izzy, like, looked like he had a lot tired faster than he normally does. And I was like, he looked like he put a lot more muscle on.

2:18:11Yeah. So that could have been a key in it where his body wasn't used to move in like that. Maybe with the extra muscle. But I was like, bro, he's moving a lot slower than Izzy was at the start round. I always wonder. And I was wanted to talk to him about this. If he's ever considered doing like one of those Marbor -innovates type camps. So Marbor -innovates, they had this philosophy that the most important thing was your gas tank. And you already know how to fight. You already know how to fight. All you're getting better has already been done. And in the six weeks or eight weeks, whatever your camp is, you should be only concentrating on cardio.

2:18:48And but if you look at his gas tank from those fights, it was unstoppable. And when a fighter is not tired and the other fighter is tired and you realize all that work is paid off and you start put it on him and you got this unlimited gas tank. And you also have him in beat up and training for six to eight weeks. Because you really not spar and you really not doing much of anything other than your cardio. They're just doing plyometrics. It's all just jumping around and shit. You're seeing Marbor -innovates. See if you can find Marbor -innovates trains BJ Penn. They had BJ doing all kinds of things.

2:19:24That's all they would do. That's all they would do, man. That's all they would do. Nick Kerson came on the podcast and he was a protégé of those guys. And that's his philosophy as well. He was telling me that it's really at an elite fighter that's fighting the world championship fight. They already know how to fight. You just got to give them the unstoppable gas tank. And if you concentrate only on that, it's the most important thing. Because when a fighter gets tired, like when Izzy got tired in that fourth round with Drickus, you could see he's not the same Izzy in the first round. It's like lightning fast and moving and countering and controlling distance and getting out of the range of shots.

2:19:58This is an Izzy that's experiencing fatigue. Yeah. But he already knows how to fight. Like the fighting is in his DNA at this point. He knows how to fuck people up. Yeah. And if he had like here's BJ training with the Marinovitches. So it's all these plyometrics even with the arms. It's all this explosive shit. Everything is done for time and distance and they measure everything. And he just breaks guys down physically to the point where when they get into that octagon, they just have the craziest fucking gas tank of all time. It's an interesting philosophy. Yeah, my mind's that eagle eye Alex Padaeus spots Israel out of Sanya injury draws partial confession from style better.

2:20:40He said this guy knows me. So Izzy was injured. He said he was noticing he wasn't throwing kicks like he might have been injured and then Izzy was like it's almost like this guy knows me or something. So he's sort of admitting to being injured but not. Well, they clash in a bunch of times. I mean, it could have happened in the fight but the problem is he was still tired. Yeah. He's still tired. I mean, I'm sure he was injured. Yeah, and that's a crazy fight. You get injured. In general camps, you get so injured in camps. Yeah. It's like the hardest thing. Like even when it's a fight's quick, people don't realize that I just had an eb camp of nonstop training.

2:21:11You get more injuries in training camps that you do in the fight. Was the worst injury you ever went into a fight with? It's funny. I was I was in Australia and I was fighting to means and then me and my coach were in the back warring up and then we ended up going like need a knee in the back during the warm up. And like I could have put my knee down to the ground after that. And it was like before the fight. So I was like, what the heck? I thought we just class needs. It was like sore. So like even in the fight, it just felt weird. So then after the fight, we went and I still could have my knee down to the floor for like two or three weeks.

2:21:44And then I ended up tearing my it was a torn Maniscus. Oh, wow. Yeah. But like right before the fight, we just like clash needed knee. And it's like you said, it's so much random stuff that could happen to you. Because I like to spar in the back before my fights. I like to feel it. So I'll have them put a head gear and I'm throwing a lot harder than them. But I want to feel that so I can feel the distance. So I want to go out to the fight. Like it's my third or fourth round. Right. Because I usually I usually start slow when I'm at practice. But in the fight, I want it to be going right away. And I have like cardio for it.

2:22:16So like I want to feel like it's the third round already when I go out there. Well, they always say that you should do that anyway, like really elevate your heart rate and then cool down and then compete. Yeah. So we guys like to hit myths. But for me, I like to spar. So I have my training partner come down there with me and then you got to have a controlled guy that's not going to hurt you. But yeah, we just go into back. We throw. Yeah, we're throwing. So he'll have big gloves on and like I get to the point where I hit me because I want to feel it. So given in this fight with Leon, he threw like 50 kicks at me hard at the back.

2:22:46So I wanted to go out there like, all right, my arms feel it. My legs feel it. Right. And my body's ready. Gonna adjust to it. Yeah. That's so risky. It's risky. I'm like I'm not going to fight anyway. Right. Right. Once you get that adrenaline, like you don't really feel nothing. And I'll feel it afterward. But like the biggest risk is just a headbutter, like catching up your blood or something like that. So that's why I make it where I had gear. Right. And you know, like I said, you have to have the perfect training partner for it where he's going to throw the right stuff at you. He's there for you.

2:23:16Yeah. Yeah. He's not going to. It's not really sparring. He's there for you. Yeah. So if I tell you all right, hit me or your heart, he'll hit me or your heart. But it's not like we're not going to who else does it that way? I don't know. We like for us, we caught ourselves doing it. Like I'm feeling like I'm one of the first guys to start doing it that I know. And then I'll start telling my other teammates when I go corner them. It's like, let's do the same thing. And they'll like it too. But yeah, there's not a lot of guys that just I know a lot of guys that just like hitting mits. And then you go out there and then you start a lot slower.

2:23:48But for me, I'm like, but we're going to fight. Like I don't need to hit mits right now. I rather feel you throwing punches at me. So I catch distance. Yeah. So I look at the punches coming at me. And then I know where I'm backing up, where I'm not backing up. You're already loose for real loose. Yeah. Cause even when I spar, I'm sparring like five or six rounds regardless. So I know I could go five rounds easy in the cage, especially with that extra adrenaline. So like if I do it, I was extra two rounds in the back. It's not going to affect me. And you're going into the fight completely warmed up.

2:24:19Yeah. Psychologically too. Yeah. Like you're much closer psychologically to a fight than just hitting mits and then all of a sudden someone's throwing back. Yeah. The mindset is the hardest thing right to get locked in. Because when I first started fighting, I was like, I'm another guy. I don't like the curse. But then I was like, I was telling myself, I got to listen to rap music. I got to curse as I'm at the back. And I was like trying to hit myself to hide myself up. But because I feel like I'm too calm. But my coach is like, bro, that's that's a good thing. Like you being calm. It's good for you.

2:24:46You don't have to sit there and be something you're not. So then I was like, all right, well, let's stay calm. But then let's start adding and sparring. So then I feel that. So I'll just get it to you. So it was your idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you try different things that practices. And I'm like, all right, when did I feel good at sparring? I'll take notes to everything. I felt good on this party day. And I did this type of drilling beforehand. And why I did this type of warm up beforehand? Because my coach, he's like, he tries to mimic the fight with everything. So he'll tell us, I warm up on your own.

2:25:15Do your own thing. They're going to get your five spirals in a cage. So for me, I'm trying to adjust to make my style. All right. This helped me better today. What did I eat today? Let me write that down. This is what I felt the best. I had the most energy doing this. I had the most energy eating this. So I like, now I got it down to like a system that I like more than anything. What is the food you take before you train before I train? Yeah. What's the stuff that makes you feel the best? Like white rice. Usually my guy will make your like white rice eggs and like turkey bacon. So it's protein with good carbs.

2:25:45So it's not heavy. Not heavy. Yeah. I just fight fast. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said before, I would just think I have to start myself. And then he came in and he was like, bro, like, what are you doing? Like, you're not going to have good practices with this way. But my mind said, I don't really care. Because I was just like, I know how to push myself no matter what. Yeah. Well, but having you've gone through camps with Ramadan and that's where it gets. And you, we should tell people, there's ways to kind of make that a little easier on yourself where you sleep during the day. And then you get up and then at nighttime, once you can eat and drink, then you do that.

2:26:21But you don't do that. Yeah. I've had multiple times, multiple camps during it where I would still stick to my normal schedule of training where I'll train at 10 30 AM. And I can't eat or drink in the morning. So I wake up at 5 AM for morning prayer. You get your, your last sip of water before the sun rises. And then I'll have like a protein shake, a date or something like that that'll give me some energy for the morning. And then at 10 AM, I have my morning practice. And then I have another practice. And you can drink water in between rounds. No, nothing. No. After the first training with no water.

2:26:53No water or food. Yeah. So I have to like the first three or four days. Your body just adjust. It feels good, honestly, because it makes you feel like mentally you're in a different place. Like spiritually you're in a different place in general because Ramadan and that's where like for any Muslim, that's like the best time because you're not stressing out about other things. And you know that you're doing it for God. And you know, God's going to give you the strength to push through no matter what. So for myself, for the reasons I'm doing it, I know I can push through. And I know that whoever I'm training for is not doing what I'm doing.

2:27:25So I can push myself harder than them when it gets into the cage when I can't drink, when I can't eat. So I think mentally you just push me in a different place. But for fight camps, like after it's time to break my fast when it's sunsets, that's when I have to be the smartest. That's where I got to put the carbs in a lot of protein in. And then I got to make sure I'm getting my electrolytes, my salts, and just getting all the fluids back in like I just finished cutting weight. Right. Because if I don't do it the right way, then the next morning, I'll be screwed. Right. Because I'll feel super drained.

2:27:55That's interesting. So you got to treat it like you're cutting weight almost. Yeah. So like every night, I'm treating like a wake. I have my shakes, have my protein that I'm getting in it right away. And I try to hit a certain, at least a gallon and a half a water before bedtime. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that it carries you on at least a little bit in the morning. Yeah. And then I guess that after first your body honestly just figures it out. But you would want to defend the title that way. No. No. Yeah. That's before I was trying to chase everything. Right. I was trying to chase that the next ranked guy.

2:28:29I was trying to chase this. And I felt like I couldn't say no to anything. Right. Because I was always looking for these guys to say yes. And I can't waste an opportunity. But now I am the opportunity. Now I am the champion. So now I feel like it gives me more leeway to be like, no, I want, I want to wait a little bit longer. This one feels feels better for me. My body's healthy now. Because it took me so long to get here. So now I don't have to go through a camp there and rob it out for it. But now it's about your legacy. Yeah. As a champion. Yeah. Yeah. And you and exactly all the things we would talk about before the little thing can change your life, little loss here, little lost there.

2:29:03Fuck all those taking those fights on 10 days notice. Yeah. Do you have to see calls you 10 days before an event? Change your number. Change your fucking number, man. Don't let them talk you into it. Come on. You can beat them. Like I know you work out all the time and you start thinking, yeah, I do work out all the time. And they're like, we're going to offer you X amount of money. You're like, oh, shit. That's all that is. He starts spending that money. That's the hard part right now. Is because like, like you said, I, for me, I hate saying no in general. Just because I had the fighter mentality like, I ain't scared.

2:29:36I'll say yes to anything. Like the Gilbert Burns fight. It was three weeks notice. It was during Rob it on and they're like, you win, you know, do it for the fans that just bought their tickets to their first event. And I was like, yeah, I do want to do it for those fans. I'm not afraid of Gilbert and Gilbert's like started chirping on Twitter. Like, oh, he's afraid. He just want to fight. So then I'm like, I do want to fight. I'm not afraid of you. So then I say, yeah, no matter what. Then it's like, I'm thinking to myself, bro, I'm on a nine fight win history. I'm taking this fight. I three.

2:30:02He's noticed. Why did I do this? I'm stupid. Like if I lose, I'm back of the line again. I was one fight away. Now if I lose this fight, I'm done. Yeah. Yeah. It changes like your mindset. But like fighters are dumb. Like we, we just want the glory, no matter what. Right. I want to prove. I want to prove. I want to prove everybody wrong. So you have to temper that mindset. Yeah. You know, you have to think about the overall big picture because what got you to the dance is that mindset. Like anybody anytime, let's go who am I fighting? I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. But now, once you got the title, so you got to keep the dog, but you also got to be intelligent about what fights you take and when you take them.

2:30:42Yeah. And no one don't fight injured. You know, there's so many guys take fights. I had a broken foot coming into this fight. Like what? Yeah, afterward, right? Yeah, what? And those are the guys that like for me as a fighter, if I lose, I lost. That's it. I got hate guys who come up with a million excuses afterward. Right. Because then I like for the guy that won, it's like people are not going to give him a credit for that win. Right. And then for me, like when I lost my fight, I was like, all right, I got to change this. I lost. That's it. Like that was always my mindset. Don't give excuses.

2:31:15If we're going into a fight, injured, we accepted it. That's it. That's it. Put it out of your head because if you go under overthinking about it, like, I got an injured ankle. I got an injured rib. I said, no, I should never took this fight in between rounds. You never want to second guess yourself in the fight. And for me, I just try to clear my head of anything. Once we said, yes, our names on the contract. That's it. We're all in. So who do you think is next? There's talk of Shavka and this talk of Kamar Usman. Right. Those are the ones that I hear mostly. I think like you said, for legacy wise, Usman is obviously the bigger name.

2:31:49And he was the guy that Dana said it was the best welteray behind GSB or in front of GSB. But for Boogeyman wise and to like shut up the naysayers, I think it's Shavka because he is undefeated. He is the guy that everybody thinks is this killer. Yeah. And then for myself, it's like either one of them does a lot for me. Usman, obviously, he'll probably be bigger, bigger, bigger, pay review numbers. And then beating him, my resume is up there with GSB because then I'll have Usman on my resume. Leon, my wonder boy, like all these big name guys, Gilbert Burns, Brady. And it's like, look at that resume.

2:32:27It's not connected with his. But Shavka is also that this young guy is going to come out here and beat you right after being Leon. Everybody's comments. Oh, you can't do the Shavka though. Shavka will kill you. And my, my chip of my shoulders is like, all right, let's go. I'm going to prove you guys wrong. Now I'm going to show you guys what I could do because I, for me, I, when, like you said, with BJ Penn, where it was like the strength conditioning was his whole camp that one. For us, we strategize everything. My coach is so good at breaking down stuff. We're so good at breaking down fighters that I have a game plan for everybody and a strategy for every single one of these fighters.

2:33:01And I really have a strategy for Shavka. I really have a strategy for Usman because I was chasing him so long. And I've been watching tape on these guys for so long. So I don't see anything from either one of them to where I'm looking at him. Like, I'm afraid of this guy because of this. I'm afraid of this guy because of that. I think Usman's a tougher fight than Shavka. So I'm being honest. But I do see many ways where I could beat them both. Because I've, there's a lot of guys into the vision that have to fight a certain way, they're specialists, whether they're either grapplers or strikers.

2:33:30I, I can strike with you, I could grab with you. I could grab, I could wrestle with you. I could move laterally. I could move forward. Like every time you see me in the cage is something different. And I think that, that's comes from my team and the strategy that we bring to fighting. We look at it like a real sport instead of, I'm in shape. Let's go fight. We look at it as like, what's this guy's weakest point? Oh, Leon can't move backwards. Let's move him backwards. Gilbert Burns, he can't take you down. He's gonna, he's gonna gas out. He's not gonna take me down. Let's beat him up on the feet a little bit.

2:34:00Brady, he's only good on the ground. All right, let's strike with him. It's like, I look at guys and I look at fights in a different way than a lot of these other fighters where some of these guys, let's go under. I see red. I don't care what happens. Yeah. I think for legacy, Usman's an important name, also because Usman probably won't be fighting that much longer. You know, he's kind of at the end of his career. And I feel like the UFC owes him a little bit something for the Homs Out Fight. Takes Homs Out on short notice. That was like 11 days notice too, right? Yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy.

2:34:34That's crazy. And it was close. Very close. And he was winning the third round. But I was, I was gonna say it early about Olivera and Saryukian. Like, that's another fight where I felt like that is a five round fight. That should be a five round fight. And Charles almost caught him a couple times in that fight. I'm like, that's a wild close fight between two top of the Fuji guys. It seems wrong to have that fight three rounds, especially for number one contender status. Yeah. It's especially Charles who's been in there for so long, right? Was a champion. And he's like a different type of champion, right?

2:35:07He comes ball to the wall no matter what. So if his five rounds, you're not expecting it to go five rounds. But generally, I felt like it should have been there. Any almost caught him a couple of times. Yeah. He got real close a couple of times. And Charles is, I think he's the most successful finisher with submissions in the history of the sport. Yeah. And now he's too far loose to streak himself. Yeah. But the last one was so fucking close. And it's again, Saryukian, who's the top of the food chain. Yeah. Like that one 55 pound division. Woo. It's what what happens if Islam decides to go to 170?

2:35:38I mean, for me, I would never fight Islam. But I mean, if I get to do that though. So what if you, you're gonna, okay, let's assume you beat Usman. Let's assume you beat Chavcott. I'll come on out. Druskas. Is that what you do? You go to 85 really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I feel if there's anybody that can and be willing, who deserves it, it would be me because I had a fight five, five guys to get to where I am now. So I think at least two more than I can start talking about one middleweight. So that's what you would do. Islam would go to 70 and you go to 85. Yeah. For sure. Wow. Would you pack on size to go to 85?

2:36:18Yeah. I mean, I would put on muscle, but like in general, I've trained with a lot of 85ers. And I think I have good size for 85. Well, Druskas is talking about going up to two old five. To find Alex, which is crazy. And so maybe he vacates the middleweight title or maybe, you know, who knows? Maybe he goes double champs to us. But I feel like there's so many guys at 85 forums still to fight. Oh, yeah. He's fought easy. He's fought us trickling. Whitaker. You fought with the dog came against Amalboth. The winner, I feel like, should be there. Hamza is still there. That people aren't even really talking about him more.

2:36:53If Hamza wants to fight, and you know, I think Hamza's at 70s, the scariest, Hamza. But that's that weight cuts crazy for him though. Is it was to walk around that? He I've seen him out and he looks like over like two, 15s. He's right. Michael Morales. He just fought. He just beat me up. Neil Magney. Yes. He came to train with us. I brought him in for Leon fight. And he was like, I was like, bro, you're huge. He's like, nah, yeah, I'm like 190. And then my coach put him on the scale. He was like, 18. I was like, bro, what do you mean? What are you talking about? He's like, he's like, oh, no, I just had bad breakfast.

2:37:33But I was like, bro, what did you eat? He had a whole ostrich. But he's so he's young and he's huge. And I was like, he's not going to last long, bro. You can't cut this much weight. No, he's big. Yeah. He's good too. He's a dog. He's good. His just training with him. He was like another one of those guys we brought in. And it was like, he was a perfect training point of where he didn't like had eagle wear. I'm funny. Somebody in my way class, he's undefeated. He could come in and say, oh, he's funny for the bottom. He'll crazy with them. No, he was such a good kid. Yeah, he fought. Train really well with us.

2:38:03And it seemed got there and finished Neil Magney, who he thinks like the perfect gig keeper for any like up and coming, right? Yeah. He's that test where you go past them. It's like you're really good. Yeah, that's the real deal. And he looked great in that fight. Yeah, he's a real contender. There's so many real contenders. Yeah. And your division is just so filled. Yeah, people forget, man. Like even Gary JDM, like all these guys people forget about Jeff Neil. You know, yeah, Jeff Niels is a fucking killer. He's going to his RDA now. Yeah, that's funny. That's funny. That's a wild fight. Yeah, I want to RDA was another guy trained with Nick Kerson.

2:38:39Yeah, he was using that sort of that when RDA was in his prime. Yeah, him and that him and his cardio days where he could just go nonstop punching strike and wrestling. That's what we're talking about though. That's what it was. Wow. He was doing that same kind of workout with Nick Kerson. That's wild. Does he still train people? Kerson, I'd have to reach out. I bet he still does. I know he was training a bunch of other athletes and a bunch of different sports as well. You know, but his whole thing is plyometrics and foot strength and your ability to move and continue to move. It's interesting because I see both ways.

2:39:12I see like, look, Sean Strickland is the craziest fucking cardio of anybody, right? Because all that guy does is spar. He's fighting every day. He spars more than anybody in the UFC and he gets hit less. That's nuts. Yeah, that's nuts. So his cardio is from his being completely comfortable with fighting all the time. And I'm sure he does other things too, but most of which, if you talk to Nick Sik and all those guys that train with him, most of the stuff when he does is spar. Yeah, he's just love sparring. He loves getting in there and sparring. And he spars stupidly. Yeah, stupidly. Yeah. There's guys that are like spar light and spar for like distance and managing and stuff.

2:39:52And there's guys they like just want to throw it on and like, look at these guys like, but he doesn't get hit much. The reason why he's so good at that. First of all, that style is so weird. Stan straight up has the Philly shell and throws punches in weird angles and he's just peppering you, peppering you, peppering you, keeping them on you, keep, keep to the body, front kick to the body, peppering you, keeping on you. It's a weird style, man. Yeah, it's a weird style. It's like agitating, especially if you're a guy like, at a sign that who wants that distance and wants it to look pretty, to have somebody who's like striking, looks so ugly just in front of you, just not stop.

2:40:27Yeah. We're like against, which is a botanian where he just threw like 55 chips at him every round. Yeah, I was shocked at that fight, but that was a good example of how hard he is to hit. He's fucking hard. Because I think, you know, for some reason, I don't know what happened, but I think that I think some fighters, they just have like when when he, when stylebender beat Bohemia, like he was kind of a different guy after that fight, you know, there's some guys that they have a fight and for whatever reason, they never are the same guy again. It's not even a bad beating, it might be like a psychological thing.

2:41:14Yeah, I think it's the undefeated thing. He was undefeated in that fight. Yeah. You get your first loss and you, like you don't have that same mindset anymore. Because you were killing everybody. Then all of a sudden you lose and you lose by finish. You're like, yeah, was I not as good as I thought I was? And you get dry humped. Yeah. Is he triumphed? Is he has the best celebrations? Like at the end of the fight. The fight would pay any when he knocks the head out and he shoots the three arrows into him. That's the greatest. To be like thinking about that beforehand is just wild. And then to like put it out there.

2:41:46It was so beautiful. I think he said he did think about that. I think he just did that in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Well, you know, Alex, so he shoots arrows at you in the beginning. I don't think there's a better. There can't be a better celebration in that one. No, it's the best. Nothing's going to come close. And then the speech afterwards makes it even better. Yeah. You know, the speech was incredible. That was really good. Yeah. Do you think we ever see the third one? Who knows, man? I don't know if is he wants to fight that dude again. I don't think he wants to fight him at 205.

2:42:15I think 205, you don't get a drained Alex Paheda. You get a destroyer. What he just did to Pahasca, everybody's got to be nervous. He always do his one shot. Just touch you once. And I think at 185, he doesn't take a shot as well either. Yeah. Think that draining of your body and you know, your brain dehydrates the whole deal. Yeah. And Drick and Drick has said if you fight somebody that doesn't want to excuses, so he doesn't want Alex to come down to 85. He wants to go up to 205. Yeah. But if you're fighting him, like if your first move is not shooting a single leg, I don't know what like what kind of coach you have.

2:42:46Right. Because that should be your first goal. At least in the first round, try to grapple him. Something. Yeah. You gotta do something. You never want, I never want to sit there and go toe to toe with him. It's just too dangerous. It's weird. It's like some guys just have weird power. Yeah. It's weird. It's like it's different than everybody else's by a magnitude. So a large gap between his power and everybody else's. And with everything, with kicks, with punches, anything he hits you, that's his or me that hit McElianis with. Oh yeah. And I feel like he's always sparring too himself. He's always like posted videos of sparring with like the normal classes.

2:43:20Yep. It's not like he's even have like crazy training partners. No, he spars light. He'll spoil our even spar light with Strickland. It's the only time Strickland spars light. Strickland goes in there as far as him is like, let's just touch each other. Yeah, I don't want to even want to feel him with big gloves on. Yeah, fuck all that. Yeah. And he's talking about going to heavyweight, which is even crazier. Hit me against Aspenal will be wild though. Wild. But you got to think Aspenal can take him down. But what is ego wanting to take him out? Or like, all right, let me show you, I can strike with you.

2:43:50I think Aspenal, the moment he realized, if he can hit him on his feet, he'll try. But if he can't, the takedown's always there. So that's any so much bigger. I mean, Aspenal's a solid 255. And I think he's a black belt as well. Yeah, yeah. Wicked on the ground. And he said, nothing but success other than that one time where he fought Curtis and his knee blew apart. But that, you know, that's just a freak accident. Yeah, it's crazy, right? Like I tell people, so many random things could happen in a fight. That could happen. And then you look at guys that are undefeated for so long and put on respect how hard that is to get there.

2:44:26Yeah, it's a crazy sport, man. It really is. And for you, what a journey to be 23 years old and step into a gym for funzies. Learn a little martial arts. What the hell? Next thing you know, you're the champion of the world. That's wild, man. Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a blessing, right? Like just thinking about the whole journey, man. Like spiritually it puts you into a different mindset too, because you just thank God for everything no matter what. And for myself, think it over. Like I said, I was going to school to try to be a lawyer. And I always tell my mom, yeah, when I lose, and it's like, now I can win from that to being able to do something like this every single day, and being able to train every day.

2:45:10That kind of a fight, a world title fight, your first world title fight at five in the morning in another country. Bananas. Yeah, just a crazy accomplishment. Enemy territory. Enemy territory. People would die tired, tired enemy. Yeah, sleepy. But it's wild because the fans out there were crazy. There were still so many fans. We had, we ended up having to parade the, that same night, because we got out of the fight. It was like at seven a .m. And then we had people out there that set up like a parade for us in Manchester. Oh, wow. Yeah. And the streets were like crazy packed. It was, it was full.

2:45:48Wow. Yeah. She just stayed up. It was, yeah, because it was like seven a .m. So I'm like, went back to the house and you know, everybody wants to come see you now. So we're just chilling. And then obviously I think it's like, no, and you take your, try to say, everybody's taking a power nap now, because we were off from the night before at midnight. So it came up to like two, three o 'clock, and then everybody started falling asleep. So for myself, I'm still wide awake. I mean, we were asked to fight. And then they're like, let's go eat some food. And they like surprised me. We were like a huge parade.

2:46:14And like one of their busiest streets in Manchester. Oh, wow. And they shut like, they said the streets got like shut down. But they have like a huge Muslim population over there in England area. So like a lot of the, even before the fight, I was getting a lot of messages of people like, you're not an imby territory. This is your home. And we were blessed out there because people took care of us the whole time. My team had food, everything, every single day, like even the gym. When I was first looking for myself, a lot of the gyms I was messing out there were like, no, you can't. Like we're, we don't, you're fighting Leanne.

2:46:44We can't open a door for you. Right. Yeah. But then we met some guys that like opened up their gym for us. And they were like lawyers driving us around at 4 a .m. They had other jobs, but they were driving us around staying up at the 4 a .m. and then having to go to work at like 9 a .m. Wow. Yeah. Well, they're probably excited to be a part of it. Yeah. And that's what they said. A lot of them said, like, you know, we're just happy to be here. We don't want nothing from you. And it was just, yeah, it was such a cool thing. That's amazing. You meet just like new friends, right? New new people. And it was for my team, for my family, like, to have that journey all of us together.

2:47:18My dad went, my mom didn't go. What did it feel like when they put that belt around your waist? It was wild. Because, like, I tried to think back to it. And for me at first, it was like, I told you so, like, I told you I could beat Leanne. Like that was my mindset all the time. I didn't want to think about the belt. It was more so to be like, I beat Leanne. You guys thought I was going to lose them every single, I had to live with them for three years of everybody. Tell me I'm going to lose to this guy. He would have beat you the last four rounds. He would have killed you. And for myself, for that, it was just like, I told you I could do it.

2:47:54I told you I was better than him. And his coach and his team were all talking trash to me before the fight. So just like rub it in their face. But then for me to have like, to be able to wear the title, right? And to like be able to carry my flag with the title and to show people what's possible. Because I mean, obviously, you know, what's going on right now in the world for Palestine, for them to have a champion right now, for them to have a win from that fight. That met more than anything. Because I was getting so many messages from them. We had people in Gaza that were watching video of it.

2:48:28And it was kids at a refugee camp. They're watching videos of fight. And it was such an amazing thing. Yeah. There's you. And then even for my coach right there, Mike Valley, he's a small gym. He doesn't talk big, right? And for for me to stick with him and for us to do it together from the start. Now he has another world champion. We're literally a tiny gym in there. And he does so much for a lot of his fighters. He brings a lot of guys in from Chile, Mexico, and he puts them in like apartments, doesn't charge them rent, just like helps them grow from from their start. You just have to work hard.

2:48:59That's amazing. Yeah. So yeah, a lot of it just comes back down for for my people in general. Me, it was just to prove everybody that I could beat them. I could be Leon. I told you so. But now we got a real title and just attention. So for me, it's like using it now. You're calling the shots. Congratulations, brother. Very impressive. Amazing. It's a blessing, man. I'm blessed to be here to talk to you. I'm blessed to be able to like for people now to know my story, hear my story. And in general, if I get to have conversation like this and carry this belt around, people will look at me and look at themselves with the dream.

2:49:45That's the parade. Yeah. It was that it was that what a picture. God, damn, what a great picture. The picture is incredible. That looks like a fake picture. That's like AI. It's so perfect. They literally had smoke and everything. It was it was wild. That's amazing. Yeah, I was I was so surprised by the whole thing. That's amazing. Well, I can't wait to see fight again, man. I can't wait to see you defend your title. Whoever it's going to be, I hope I'm there. I can't wait to see it. My brother, I appreciate it. Hopefully, hopefully it's in the US so you can come and commentate it. Yeah, hopefully.

2:50:16Yeah. All right. Well, congratulations. Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.