JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

13:12Joe Rogan:Yeah. Well, he probably thought he didn't belong in there with Canelo either, right? Right. So he probably said, listen, if I just keep moving, I can get out of here with my dignity intact and just never get hit real good.

13:26Terence Crawford:Yeah.

13:26Joe Rogan:Yeah. It's fascinating now because before that fight, you were looked at as one of the best boxers today. Now you're looked at as one of the best fighters ever. And it's interesting how that changes, how people now look at your body. And then they look at Errol Spence before you fought him and go, Errol Spence can fight, man. He's a really good fighter. and a lot of people discredited your victory over him because of that car accident that he had and maybe he wasn't as good as we thought and but now with the canelo victory you you're in this rare air of you know mentioned as one of the greatest of all time you know there's a handful of guys there is no it's very difficult to say the greatest of all time because people want to They go all the way back to Sugar Ray Robinson.

14:20Joe Rogan:They throw Floyd in the mix, prime time Roy Jones. There's all these different fighters they put as the greatest of all time, but you are now in that conversation. That's got to be nice. It's beautiful, you know,

14:32Terence Crawford:especially all the hard work that I done put in to be here at that pinnacle of the sport. You know, since I was seven years old, I've been boxing. I've been fighting. I've been a fighter since day one. So when people compare me to, like, Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard comparing me to who will win, who will win, that just let me know that I did my job well in the sport.

15:01Joe Rogan:Oh, you absolutely did.

15:03Terence Crawford:Now, are you definitely done done? It's over with. It's definitely over? Yeah. I don't got nothing. So I told a couple of my close friends, I said, okay, since 2014, I've been fighting for something, a title. I won my first title in 2014, March of 2014. Ever since then, I've been fighting for titles, undisputed titles, undisputed, undisputed titles, undisputed. Like just everything that I've been fighting for. Now I just come back and it's just like, all right, what's the motivation? Just money? You know, like, all right, so what is on top of that? You know, because my thing was the money going to come.

15:50Terence Crawford:I was taking pay cuts after pay cuts after pay cuts because I knew what I wanted my legacy to be when I finished boxing. I wanted to be remembered as one of the greatest champions of all time. You know, and I think I did that. You know, so now it's like this last fight that I had, the height of it, there's no better finish than that to me. Yeah. What was on the line, coming from where I came from, all the odds that were stacked against me, all the things that I had to go through and camp to get to that fight, you know, it was just like, man, you did everything right. So what can top that? I love that.

16:40Joe Rogan:I love when fighters go out on top like that. And for a fighter to go out like you have with all your championship experience, all the weight classes you competed in undefeated, and beat Canelo, another all-time great. I mean, that is a perfect finale for a spectacular career. It's pretty dope. For sure. And go out with your faculties intact, your health intact, plenty of money. It's nice.

17:07Terence Crawford:It's beautiful because nobody knows what us fighters adore to get to the point to entertain the fans. You know, we go through a lot. You know, we put our body through a lot. And then when it's all said and done, when our body broke down to the point where we can't take care of ourselves, they don't care about us. They don't want to say, oh, well, he was once a good champion. and we go to the fights, you see a lot of old fighters showing up to the fights and people just walk past them. Yeah. You know, they're on to the next. Oh, let's see the young fighter, you know. And it's like they use you up until you have nothing left.

17:51Terence Crawford:Then they forget about you. Yeah. You know, so it's very critical for these fighters to think about their health first because once it's over with, it's over with. And you can't get your health back. You can always get money elsewhere, but once you can't, your mind is messed up, it's over with.

18:13Joe Rogan:That's such a good lesson for young fighters to see, too, to see a guy like yourself be fully dedicated, so disciplined, get through the whole thing, get out, on top, and done. Yeah. And so many fighters have said that. And then a couple of years go by, their identity is wrapped up in fighting. Like, oh, man, I think I got one more in me. And then, you know, maybe they're buying a lot of shit. That's the real problem. Yeah.

18:43Terence Crawford:It's always going to be that, you know, I got I got another one in me. I got another one in me because they missed that that high of all the fans chatting their name and everybody, you know. cameras, lights, and, you know, they miss it, you know, but I was always that type of person. I didn't care about all that. Really? Y 'all can have the lights. Just pay me and I go under the rock somewhere, you know, take care of my family, you know. I never was a guy that wanted to be all up in the media and wanted to be the center of attention. How come? Because that's just me. I already knew what I was doing it for.

19:25Terence Crawford:I never was doing it to be famous. I don't walk around with a whole entourage to get noticed. I'll be under the radar.

19:35Joe Rogan:I do like that. You show up by yourself. But one time you showed up at one of the UFCs and someone said you were Kendrick Lamar and they put it on the fucking screen. And I didn't catch it because I was doing the broadcast. But I was like, are you guys out of your fucking – you don't know who Terrence Crawford is and you're in combat sports? This is crazy. I think they did that on purpose. No. No way. No way. They had to. No, no, no, no, no. It was just some moron in the truck. Yeah. Yeah, no, 100%. They did not do that on purpose. No one in the UFC would ever disrespect you like that. No one would disrespect you like that.

20:08Joe Rogan:No chance.

20:09Terence Crawford:Yeah, I was sitting next to everybody, and I was like, did they really just do that?

20:14Joe Rogan:No, they did not do that on purpose. That was just some dumbass that thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for some reason. Yeah. It was so stupid. And then I think they corrected it later in the broadcast. I don't know who it was. Right. I didn't even want to know. I'd yell at him. For sure. For sure. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Big news. Aldi is now on Uber Eats, and you get 20 % off your first grocery order with the code NEWALDI26. So whether your fridge is empty and you're too tired to shop, or you just ran out of essential ingredients in the middle of meal prep, don't worry.

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21:16Terence Crawford:Yeah, people would be so, like, surprised that, you know, they'll see me in the airport. They'd be like, you by yourself? Like, man, this is crazy. I would always imagine you with security guards, big entourage. Right. I mean, that's just a bill. Yeah. You know, you got to pay all them people to be around you. That's true, too. So, you know, I just need to show up.

21:40Joe Rogan:Yeah, I mean, every time you've showed up at the studio, you show up by yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's another good example for young fighters to realize, like, at the end of the day, what are you really doing it for? All that other bullshit, all the attention and stuff, it's very temporary. It's very fleeting. It goes away. Legacy. Legacy and the glory of your accomplishments, that stays forever. And the respect of people in boxing that really know.

22:08Terence Crawford:Yeah, for sure.

22:09Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's what it's all about. And you've got that. But now everybody has to shut the fuck up. Yeah, they do. Everybody has to shut the fuck up. Even the people that said that, oh, Canelo's, stop. You were the same people saying Canelo was going to stop him.

22:21Terence Crawford:You were the same people that were saying Errol Spence was going to stop me. The same people that were saying Majimov was going to stop me. Yep. And so forth. So it just got to the point where they just, they can't, they got to accept it now. It's like, man, I've been hating on this dude for so long, you know, And he's just been proving me wrong time after time. It's like, let me just give him his flowers. Yes.

22:46Joe Rogan:That's beautiful. And for young fighters, it's such a good thing to watch. It's so good for young fighters to have an inspirational figure, to have someone who really does it and does it perfectly and does it in a way that is very unusual because you're one of the best switch hitters since Marvin Hagler, if not the best. you know and like that god that is such an underrated skill it's so funny one of the times you were in here you were telling me that his coach your coach told you stop doing that

23:16Terence Crawford:yeah he was like you need to focus on fighting orthodox the right way instead of switching to southpaw i was just like all right switch southpaw again then it was just like he was like all right well you're gonna do that we're gonna train like that i was like all right let's train like it because I'm going to keep switching because it just came so natural. Yeah. I'll be in there, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then I'll just switch like unthinkingly. Bah, bah, bah. Yes. Man, you know, it was just I win and I win. He was like, all right, we're going to fight like we're going to train like that.

23:49Joe Rogan:Well, it's such an underrated aspect of boxing if you can do it because you have to recalibrate where everything is coming from every time you switch. Different angles, all that. In MMA, it's become commonplace. In the beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people would stand one way or the other. And now a large percentage of these young guys coming up are constantly switching because it hides combinations. It hides different techniques. There's so many different things you could do in MMA because you're switching and kicking. You're switching and punching. You're kicking, and then now you're in southpaw, and you're throwing left hands instead of right hands.

24:23Joe Rogan:It's like things are – there's so much overload of the mind where you have to calculate all these different things. And if you don't spar on a regular basis with a very crafty guy who switches a lot, it could fuck you up inside the cage.

24:36Terence Crawford:Yeah, because some people, they have better chances on one side than the other. And then when you switch on them, it's just like, oh, I hate fighting southpaws. Right. And just do something to their brain because they might be slower moving one way than the other way.

24:53Joe Rogan:Well, everything looks so weird when all of a sudden the jab's on the right side and then your brain has to like.

25:01Terence Crawford:You got to worry about the hook now instead of the straight.

25:05Joe Rogan:Everything's different.

25:05Terence Crawford:Yeah.

25:06Joe Rogan:I mean, I wonder how many young fighters are going to see your example and start training that very early in their career now. Because I think it's the conventional wisdom was that you have one stance, whether it's Southpaw or Orthodox, stick with that. There's a few outliers like Hagler. But for the most part, stick with that. But I don't think that's the way to go. I mean, I think great fighters have stayed in one stance. But I think the way to go is having the ability to switch up.

25:37Terence Crawford:Yeah, it's always, you know, beneficial if you can have it and not need it, then you need it and you ain't got it. Yes. You know, like, okay, it's cool that I don't need it for this fight, but I got it in my bag just in case I have it. Yes. You know, and that's like me. I got it all. Yeah. Do you think you got to train people when you're done? I'll be training a little bit. I'll be helping out at the gym, but my patience ain't there yet. I get frustrated, and I have to remember, like my coach, Bomek, say, everybody's not you, bud. Everybody don't adapt like you. Everybody not as athletic like you.

26:22Terence Crawford:So you can't be frustrated if they not getting something as fast as you getting it. You've been doing this since you was seven. Some of these kids that started when they was teenagers, you know, So you got to give them grace, you know, and take your time with them. And some of them, you know, they flat-footed and you just got to train them into their style. Everybody not going to have your style. So when he explained that to me, I was just like, hey, you're right. You know, let me back up a little bit and just tell them what I see. Yeah. You know, more so than trying to coach them into being this fighter that I want them to be.

27:02Joe Rogan:Being a version of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's got to be difficult, right? Because everybody does have a different style. And, you know, you're never going to convince some fighters to fight your way. But the wisdom that you can bestow on young fighters, it's like there's a lot of great fighters like, you know, Freddie Roach that had some boxing matches but was never like an elite boxer but still was a great coach. But to have an elite fighter, to be a coach, it's like there's an element of that first of all you is it there's an element from the young guy coming up like you want to impress you got terrence crawford in your corner yeah you want to impress him buddy mcgurk did a fantastic job and he became a great trainer there's a bunch of fighters that have done it but it's like i always wonder because i feel like there's so much you have to offer to these young there's so much small minutiae intimate details of what you're thinking and what's going on that would completely change the way a young fighter sees certain exchanges.

28:07Terence Crawford:Yeah, for sure. And I try to help them on that aspect when they're in the ring or when they're on the back or when they're hitting the mitts, shadow boxing, just little details. You know, I come in the gym and you see the little kids, they see me and they look to the corner and they hit the back. Yeah, they get fired up. You can see they're trying to get my attention. I come over there and give them some little wisdom, you know, and they're appreciative. But it's good that they see me in the gym all the time. You know, my son wrestling next door and they over here boxing and I'm both one side and the other side.

28:45Joe Rogan:Your son just won a wrestling title.

28:47Terence Crawford:Yeah, he just won a state as a freshman.

28:49Joe Rogan:That's incredible. Yeah. That's incredible. That's so amazing. What does he want to do? He want to go D1.

28:57Terence Crawford:Yeah? He told me that Saturday after the tournament, we on our way to the Ryan Garcia fight, he said, Dad, I want to go to the Olympics. Wow. I said, you want to? He said, what kind of state is that? I said, you're going to go. I said, you got to have it in your mind. You're going. You can't say you want to go. You got to say, I'm going to the Olympics. That way you know you're already programming it, you know, for the future. How did you learn that mentality? Man, been doubted my whole life. You know, been doubted my whole life. And my coach, Midge Minor, used to always say, la-di-da-di, we fight anybody.

29:39Terence Crawford:They ain't fought you yet. You know, and I just carried that on my shoulders. Like, anybody you put in front of me, they ain't fought me yet, so you can't tell me they can beat me until they beat me. So just like my son, like, hey, you got to have that confidence that whatever you say you want to do, you're going to go out and do it, but you got to put the work there first.

30:00Joe Rogan:So in that sense, doubters give you fuel. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of people like that. A lot of people like that, they live off the haters.

30:08Terence Crawford:Yeah, oh, yeah. They fuel me up. And then especially when I – it's crazy because, like, Majimov and Canelo, they were so respectful, you know, and I respect them. You know, I've been a fan of Majumov, you know, coming from Uzbekistan and learning about him and hearing about him. And I've always been a fan of Canelo, like, since I can remember, you know. So I didn't have that, like, killer, like, heart in my heart. Like, I wanted to beat him, but, like, my other fights, I was like, man, I want to knock this dude out. Like Benavidez. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to knock him out. So, like, even in training, like, I didn't have that rage.

30:54Terence Crawford:Like, this dude talking shit. Like, they never got under my skin. It was, like, all respectful. So it was like, all right, I want to whoop their ass. But I didn't want to, like, inflict, like, pain. Like, I want to, like, knock him out.

31:08Joe Rogan:There was one fighter you fought at 140. His name is escaping me. But you stopped him in the fifth. Yes. Yeah, I wanted to knock him out.

31:15Terence Crawford:Oh, boy. Yeah. And I was so mad. When you watch that fight, when they stopped it, I missed two crazy hooks. And I just was like, man, why couldn't I land him? He would have went to sleep. You weren't happy with just stopping him. Yeah, I wanted to put him to sleep. But it's a sport, and it is what it is. And I'm happy that we all could go home to our family and talk about it years down the line.

31:45Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is the danger of the sport. That's why it's so different than every other sport. It's like you're legitimately putting your life on the line. Yeah.

31:55Terence Crawford:And a lot of people don't understand that until something happened. Right. You know, us boxers, a lot of boxers have died in that ring. A lot of boxers have went in the ring one way and left it a different way. Yes. You know, so when a lot of fans, they criticize boxers for doing what the sport is for, and that's boxing. You know, us boxers, like, you're not even here getting your brains beat out. So what you consider boring, we consider us doing what the sport is meant to do, is box. Right. You know, and I think a lot of fans don't give a lot of fighters, they just do, for boxing. You know, like Floyd, like Shakur, you know, when they pure boxers.

32:54Joe Rogan:Yes.

32:55Terence Crawford:You know, they want to see people bleeding, battered, knocked out, you know, but they're not thinking about the aftermath and the ather effects of them fighters going to the hospital, blood on the brains uh pissing blood and things like that like your body is not meant to be be on like that right you know so they just looking at oh well i paid this money y 'all gonna go in there and kill each other you know and i think that's wrong yeah well you're always gonna have

33:26Joe Rogan:morons in this world you're always gonna have casuals you're always gonna have people that don't appreciate what they're saying but like when i see a performance like shakur versus tiafimo that last fight, like, that was art. That was art. That sneaky jab where it was like half speed and then popping him with the jab. And you could see Lopez just couldn't get out of the way of it. He didn't know what to do. It was beautiful. It barely got hit.

33:51Terence Crawford:It was beautiful. And things like that. You know, you see two high-caliber fighters, but you just see one just on a different level because of his boxing IQ. You know, not because T.L. Fimo didn't belong in the ring with him. It's just that Shakur's IQ and his boxing ability is up here. Yes. You know, he didn't have to sit in front of him and trade shots and give T.L. Fimo the opportunity to land a good shot and change the outcome of the fight. One shot, I don't care who you is, in the right spot at the right moment, anybody can get knocked out.

34:37Joe Rogan:Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, the human brain is not designed to get punched. Right. It's just not designed that way, especially big punchers. And when you see a guy like Tiofimo, Tiofimo can crack. He's a big dude, and he's a world champion. And it was one of the most lopsided performances ever where you see one world champion challenging another world champion. For sure. I mean, it was art. To me, every moment of that fight, like up until the 12th round, I was just like, there was multiple times. I was like, oh, oh, my goodness. It was just beautiful. I love watching a guy at the pinnacle, you know, watching a guy where everybody else has got to go, wow.

35:19Joe Rogan:I didn't think it was going to go like this. Because, you know, Tiafimo's a super aggressive guy, beat Lomachenko. He's got a nasty jab, throws big power in his punches. He's tough as hell. A lot of people are like, this is going to be a tough fight. And Shakur just, and he didn't run. He stood right in front of him. That's the other thing. He wasn't getting hit, and he was right in front of him. I mean, that was art. That was art. That's boxing at the highest level. And I'm fascinated because now they're talking about him and Ryan Garcia. I am fascinated to watch that fight because Shakur is a different animal.

35:57Joe Rogan:Ryan looked amazing in that fight. I mean, he looked amazing. I mean, he looked so fast, and it was a beautiful fight to watch. But that's an interesting fight. I like that fight. Shakur and him, I like that fight a lot. Because Shakur's just a different animal. You're dealing with a whole different kind of skill set. Yeah, Shakur.

36:19Terence Crawford:Listen, I went down to camp before he fought Tiafemo, And I seen his focus and the level of intense training he was doing. And I said, I don't know it all, but I know Shakur going to whoop Tia Fimo's ass. I tweeted that way before the fight. And he went out there and did it. Ryan looked spectacular in his fight for what it was. I don't think Barrios came to fight. But, you know, Ryan was boxing great. You know, the jab was working. Overhand right was working. And he looks out at me at the end and said, you see my jab? I said, man, it was working. That jab was beautiful because we're not used to seeing Ryan jab.

37:12Joe Rogan:Right.

37:13Terence Crawford:Or his right hand. Or boxing, for that matter. You know, he was boxing beautiful. Beautiful. You know, and I commend him on that. Like, he aced it, you know. But when it comes to Shakur, Shakur is not a Barrios. You know, Shakur got a jab. Shakur got head movement. Shakur got defense. Shakur knows range. Shakur have good legs. So I look at that fight like it's not going to be as a competitive fight like everybody think because if Ryan get careless, he's going to get countered all day.

37:53Joe Rogan:If he gets careless. I think he'll fight very different than he fought with Barrios. He's got to. Barrios just couldn't keep up with the speed. I mean, Ryan's speed is extraordinary. He relies on it a lot, but, I mean, that's not a knock. That's just like if you had it, everybody should rely on that. That speed is nuts. Chikor's a different animal. That's what I'm saying. It's a different animal. Well, a lot of people thought Devin Haney was different though, right? A lot of people thought Devin Haney was going to give him real problems. When he dropped Devin early with a left hook, everybody was like, oh, this is different.

38:25Joe Rogan:I wish he didn't have a positive drug test in that fight because that fucking tainted everything. They know each other far too well.

38:35Terence Crawford:I think him and Devin fought each other the most out of all of them. You know, Shakur and Ryan fought as well, which Shakur won all the times that they fought. But I just think, you know, him and Devin, the history of it, Devin came in there overconfident. Ryan, you know, being juiced up, you know, at a little whatever it did. But, you know, you can't take away from him landing the punches that he was landing. You can't take away from the performance that, you know, he was doing. But when you're on steroids, that add to.

39:24Joe Rogan:It definitely adds something. What did he get popped for?

39:27Terence Crawford:Do you remember? I don't even know.

39:29Joe Rogan:Jamie, find out what he got popped for. It was a very low level of whatever he got popped for. And a lot of people say, oh, the levels, it wouldn't even matter at such a small level. The problem is there's a lot of ways you can mask the amount of steroids you have in your system. And that's one of the reasons why the UFC banned IVs. Because you can flush your body out if you super hydrate with IVs. I don't know what you're supposed to put in the IV. but there's some nutrients that you can put in IVs that will mask any traces of performance enhancing drugs which is why at UFC you have to hydrate this is drug-free sports policy and USADA's policy you have to hydrate only with drinking liquids you can't hydrate with an IV and when you use an IV which I don't was uh were they allowed to use IVs to rehydrate I don't know when you use IVs to rehydrate you can mask a lot of shit so if he did use an IV to rehydrate and he only showed a trace amount.

40:31Joe Rogan:That's still... What did he test positive for? Lost? I miss which fighter you're talking about. Ryan Garcia. Oh, that's right. Ryan Garcia when he fought Devin Haney. The fight got overturned, right? It was a no contest, which is very unfortunate because it was a clear victory, one of his best victories ever. Dropped Devin, had him in trouble a bunch of times. Dropped him how many times? A few. Yeah, a few times. He looked fucking great in that fight. Yeah, he did. And I think, unfortunately, you know, that positive drug test just... Osterene? Osterene, yeah. Okay.

41:07Terence Crawford:I think, you know, both of those fights is great fights for Ryan. Ryan is in a great position right now. Oh, yeah. You know, he got the Roley unification fight. You know, he lost to Roley. Right. He got that fight that he can, you know, try to avenge in a unification fight.

41:29Joe Rogan:Roley looked great in that fight.

41:30Terence Crawford:He got Devin in a unification fight. He got Shakur in a spectacular fight. So Ryan's in a great position right now.

41:42Joe Rogan:If Javante comes back, he's got that rematch.

41:45Terence Crawford:I don't think Javante is going to fight him without having those type of claws. The rehydration claws? Yeah, bring them down, and you got to do this, and you got to do that.

41:54Joe Rogan:That's crazy. Those clauses are crazy. You can't weigh more than X when you get into the ring. Fuck off with that.

42:01Terence Crawford:That's like with me and Canelo. I'm like, man, listen, I'm challenging you.

42:04Joe Rogan:Yeah.

42:05Terence Crawford:You can weigh whatever you want. I don't want no excuses. You know, hey, it is what it is. All you got to do is weigh 168. Yeah, the day before. And then after that, it is what it is.

42:18Joe Rogan:Well, that's the same shit that Floyd made Canelo do. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they got it from. Yeah. That's where they got it from. You know what I mean? The thing is, these guys see that big number. They see those purses and they go, oh, I can fight good. Yeah. I'll just get a little smaller beforehand. It's just not smart. Yeah. Your body's not going to react when it's not fully hydrated. No. Not chance. It's the worst way to fight. Yeah. You know, I think guys who cut a tremendous amount of weight, they do themselves a terrible disservice.

42:48Terence Crawford:Mm-hmm.

42:49Joe Rogan:They really do. I think it's terrible for your body. What's the most you ever had to cut? The most I ever had to cut was probably like 25. That's a lot. What weight was that, 35 or 40? 47. 47, really? Yeah. Wow. My last fight was Spence. And when did you start your cut? Months. Months out? Yeah, months out. So the week of the fight, what were you at? probably like 152, 154.

43:20Terence Crawford:Oh, okay.

43:21Joe Rogan:That's very good. That's very reasonable. See, MMA fighters do it in a fucked up way.

43:26Terence Crawford:Them last couple of pounds is tough. Yeah. Them last couple of pounds are tough, and I just knew that it was over with. I knew it was over with, you know. But the hardest cut ever was when I was at 135. 35. That was, like, killing me. What were you walking around at back then? Probably, like, in the 50s. Mmm.

43:52Joe Rogan:Like, 55. And so, would you just lower your calories in camp? In camp? Everything. I got to change my whole diet. And then the week of the fight, what did you weigh when you were fighting 35? I don't even remember. Man, I was cutting probably like seven pounds the week of the fight.

44:19Terence Crawford:See, in the MMA world, that's nothing. These guys are cutting crazy pounds. Because they wait to the last minute. I know a lot of MMA fighters. Yeah, they just dehydrate themselves. Yeah, they wait to the last minute. But mine, I got to start gradually because I never want to go in there and just like tank. so I got to change my eating habits up months like two months in advance that way I can get my body used to being lighter performing at that weight class because if not you're doing more hurting yourself than good because you're taking all the fluid out of your brain and I couldn't be at no disadvantage like that

45:06Joe Rogan:And it makes you more vulnerable to getting knocked out.

45:08Terence Crawford:Yeah.

45:09Joe Rogan:Definitely. I mean, Alex Pereira was the craziest example in the UFC. He was fighting at 185, and he would weigh 225 when he fought, which is bananas. I mean, that's 40 fucking pounds.

45:21Terence Crawford:I think that's why I got, when I fought Gamboa, when I got hurt, you know, in the ninth round. But I stopped him in the ninth round, but that was part of that. Boom, caught me with a clean shot. Boom. I was like, oh, shit. You know? Until this day, that's the only fight that I got hurt like that ever. You know, a lot of people thought Mean Machine dropped me, Mean Machine hurt me. I didn't got, Mean Machine hit me with some hard shots, some clean hard shots, but nothing was like that, Gamboa. Like, my whole leg locked up, and I was just like, man, I got to grab this dude, you know and and you think the weight cut had a lot to do with that yeah definitely what weight

46:09Joe Rogan:was that at 135 yeah 135 you're a big guy man that's a lot of weight cut yeah it's uh that's the the most problematic part of mma for sure i was actually just having a conversation with hunter campbell about that they're trying to devise strategies to discourage these big weight cuts and trying to figure out what to do. It was crazy, though, because I've always been skinny.

46:34Terence Crawford:You know, a lot of people, they say, oh, he's a weight bully. He's this, he's that. And it's like, bro, I came from 132. I wasn't at, you know, you see a lot of these fighters, they in the amateurs, like Sean Porter, he was at 165, then he went to 147. You know, a lot of people, they was heavier, then they dropped weight. I was at 132, and I moved up to go at 135, you know, as a professional. And I was cool with the weight. Then I just started filling out once I start, you know, working out more and doing a little strength and condition. And I just started, my body started filling out. So I kept moving up.

47:16But the weight that I was at with Canelo,

47:20Terence Crawford:That's the most comfortable time of my career to be able to eat whatever I want, not focus on weight. Did you feel much better in the ring because of that? I did. I did because that was the only time that I had to eat to keep my weight on. Wow. And it's like, I'm not used to doing that. I'm used to, you know. Starving. We got portions. It's like they feed me big meals. I'm like, I can't eat all this. So that was the one camp that it was like the weight wasn't an issue.

48:01Joe Rogan:Do you have a nutritionist in camp? Yes. And so how do they do your meals? Is it all based on X amount of protein, X amount of carbs, it's all weighed out? All that. Yeah. Yeah. And then they weigh you, check you, make your body fat.

48:14Terence Crawford:They ask me what I weigh in the morning, every morning.

48:17Joe Rogan:What did you weigh like when you got into the ring?

48:21Terence Crawford:I think I was like 72. Okay.

48:24Joe Rogan:It's just a few pounds. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't weigh. I probably was a couple of pounds. Yeah. The only difference in MMA is obviously the grappling, you know, and it plays a big advantage if you've got a lot of weight on a guy. That's why a lot of guys do it. It's also MMA is very flawed, and one of the most flawed aspects of it is the weight classes. There's just not enough weight classes. There's giant leaps. Like between 205, the next weight class is heavyweight. So it's 205 to 265. 185, the next weight class is 205. That's 20 pounds. That's nuts. 170 to 185. 15 fucking pounds is a lot.

49:09Joe Rogan:A lot. That's a lot. Seven pounds is a lot. 55 to 70. Yeah, seven pounds is a lot.

49:14Terence Crawford:A lot of people don't know, but I was way stronger at 47 than I was at 40. And that's only 7 pounds.

49:21Joe Rogan:Right.

49:21Terence Crawford:That's 7 pounds of muscle that I don't have to cut. Right. Yeah. And a lot of people think, oh, it's just 7 pounds or 135 to 140. It's just 5 pounds. Oh, that matters.

49:32Joe Rogan:Yes. It matters a lot. And for fighters, there's a lot of guys that are tweeners. They're too big for 155. They can't make the weight. And then they're too small for 170. Yes. Because at 170, you got guys that are never going to make 155. They're coming down from 210, and they're getting to 170, and they're jacked.

49:50Terence Crawford:I know somebody that was coming out from 230, fighting at 165.

49:56Joe Rogan:Oh, my God. Who was that? I ain't going to say his name. Well, Anthony Rumble Johnson was the craziest one that I ever saw. 230. Anthony Rumble Johnson was 230, and he was fighting at 170. I ran into Rumble once, rest in peace. He died a few years back. I ran into Rumble once when he was fighting at 170, and he was in between fights, and I ran into him at the hotel, and he was a fucking heavyweight. He was so big, I couldn't—I go, what do you weigh?

50:24Terence Crawford:Yeah.

50:25Joe Rogan:And he said, 230. I'm like, dude, that's crazy. You have to cut 60 pounds? Yeah. But it was killing him. It was killing him, like literally to the brink of death the day before a fight. That's nuts. That doesn't make any sense. and they were all doing it because they all felt like they had to be the biggest guy in there. Yeah. Not smart. No. At all. I think for MMA, they really need to recognize this, that one of the things that's going to stop weight clots is give people more weight classes, give people more options. This idea of only having eight champions, I think, in MMA is very, very limiting.

51:04Joe Rogan:It's also limiting the potential of a guy like you to go up and up and up and win championship after championship. In MMA, if you win two belts, that's crazy. That's the only thing anybody's ever done. Because the weight classes are so far apart. Exactly. The only people that have ever done it have done it in two weight classes. No one's done it in three. Pereira might try to do it at heavyweight. He might try to go up to heavyweight now because he's walking around like 240, which is crazy because he used to fight at 185. It's nuts. But if they had more options and they had more weight classes, I think we'd have more competitive fights.

51:38Joe Rogan:We'd have less extreme weight cutting. We'd have healthier fighters. Just more champions is better. I mean, there's a lot of guys that could be champions. There's not a weight class for them. If there's a 20-pound gap, 20 pounds is so much. If I put 20 pounds of bone and muscle on this table and show you what it looks like, you'd be like, whoa, that's a crazy amount of mass. and the difference between losing that, gaining that, being in the middle of that, it's pretty significant. So for a lot of fighters, their frame doesn't line up perfectly with whatever the division is. It just, they don't have a chance.

52:17Terence Crawford:Yeah.

52:18Joe Rogan:It sucks.

52:19Terence Crawford:It does.

52:20Joe Rogan:It drives me nuts. It drives me nuts. I think extreme weight cutting is the worst thing that's ever happened to the sport of MMA. Any sport. Any sport. But in boxing, it's not as extreme. No one really does it. Jerry McClellan used to do it. He got real big in between fights, real big. But that cost him in the Nigel Benn fight. I think that probably is what led to his bleeding of the brain. That's probably one of the contributing factors to why he's so hurt right now. And that fucked Roy up too because back at the time, that was his biggest rival was Gerald. And Roy was always like, I do not want that ever happening to me.

53:03Terence Crawford:Yeah, like, man, like I say, when you lose that weight and you don't understand you're losing that fluid in the back of your brain, you know.

53:13Joe Rogan:And it takes days for that fluid to fully return to your brain, especially when you're just drinking the water and not IV rehydrating.

53:21Terence Crawford:It's tough. It's tough. Yeah, it's, but, I mean, boxing's been around longer.

53:27Joe Rogan:They've got it figured out. And unfortunately or fortunately, the UFC dominates MMA, and they only have eight weight classes, so everybody else only has eight weight classes. California has instituted a bunch of different weight classes, but nobody—the UFC has a heavyweight limit. Isn't that crazy that is? Isn't that stupid? It's stupid, right? Definitely. Talk to these people. I'm just now learning about that. You didn't know? No, not at all. You have to weigh 265. So think about Tyson Fury. When Tyson Fury fought Deontay, he was like 280, 285.

53:57Terence Crawford:Yeah.

53:58Joe Rogan:Imagine he's got to dehydrate himself. He's got to lose 20 fucking pounds just to make the weight class. That's retarded. That doesn't make any sense at all. At all. At all. It's the heavyweight. It's the heaviest weight we can go. Remember Valuov when he was fighting Evander Holyfield? Oh, my God. He had to be over 300 pounds. He was a literal giant, an actual giant.

54:19Terence Crawford:Yeah. So I think that's something you need to talk to Dana about.

54:23Joe Rogan:Nobody listens to me, bro.

54:25Terence Crawford:They don't. They don't listen to me. They think I'm crazy. Well, we got to petition it then.

54:29Joe Rogan:Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I want to institute. So I understand why they don't want to listen to me. I would throw the whole sport up in the air.

54:36Terence Crawford:I think these combat sports, it got to come from the fighters. You know, just like boxing. I think if the fighters come together, they can make anything happen. The fighters don't understand the level of power that they carry because they think, oh, since they cutting a check, they got the power.

54:59Joe Rogan:Right.

55:00Terence Crawford:You know, but they can't cut the check without us. Mm-hmm. You know, but it's the fighters that need the money that makes it hard. Right. Because the fighters that already got the money, they can make a stand for something. But the fighters that doesn't, they like, well, you can do that. I got to provide for my family. you can take a chance of going at the organization for a year or however long it's going to last, but who going to pay my bills?

55:32Joe Rogan:Right.

55:32Terence Crawford:Who going to put food on my family table while we doing this, while we making this stand? So it's a little tougher for them to make that stand than a person that's already established.

55:43Joe Rogan:Yes.

55:43Terence Crawford:And I think that's where the seesaw effect happens. With boxing and UFC because there's a lot of things.

55:53Joe Rogan:Well, UFC is more extreme because it's really just the UFC. It's really, I mean, even Francis Ngannou, right? Francis Ngannou, one of the most devastating fighters to ever compete in MMA, UFC heavyweight champion. They couldn't get a deal signed, and he winds up leaving and goes to the PFL. But nobody's watching. Nobody watches. Nobody cares. He knocked out some dude in the PFL, and nobody cared.

56:17Terence Crawford:Is he making more money? Yes. He cared.

56:20Joe Rogan:He goes. Well, that's why he did it. Yeah, that's all that matters. He got a great deal with the PFL, and then he got to box. Boxed Tyson Fury, boxed Anthony Joshua. Doing well. Doing well. Much, much more money, for sure. Which is good, but the fortunate and unfortunate. Fortunate that the UFC is the best promotional organization that's ever existed. They really know how to do it. They do it right. They make stars out of these fighters. They give them all these opportunities. knees. They get the most asses in the seats. Every pay-per-view sells well. When there's a UFC pay-per-view, people line up to see it.

56:55Joe Rogan:There's a bunch of stars in the UFC. But unfortunately, when they're in other organizations, even if they're getting paid more, nobody knows who they are. And so if they want to come to the UFC, they have to take a pay cut, which is crazy. So you're leaving an organization. If you're going from small promotions in boxing and then all of a sudden you're in a world title fight or you're in Golden Boy promotions, you would imagine now I'm getting paid more money. More people are watching me. But it's not the case. These other organizations like the PFL have to pay these guys more money because otherwise they can't get them at all because everybody wants to fight in the UFC.

57:34Joe Rogan:It's not a monopoly because there is other options. There's One FC, there's PFL, there's some organizations in Russia and other parts of the world. But the reality is it's like the NFL or like, you know, Q-tips. It's like it's got a name. It's the NBA. Nobody wants to watch some new basketball organization. Nobody wants to watch the XFL. Do people watch it? I don't know. But it's not the Super Bowl. You know, it's like there's one big organization. That's the NFL. There's one big MMA organization. That's the UFC. And for these guys that want the glory, they want to be known as the best in the world, there's one place to be.

58:12Joe Rogan:So it's very difficult for those guys to hold out for more money. It goes back to identity and what you're doing it for.

58:19Terence Crawford:Right. You know, that's what you got to ask yourself, is you're doing it for... What fame is you doing it for to provide stability for your family? Is it I need money? Legacy. Yeah, definitely legacy.

58:40Joe Rogan:For the greats of the greats, legacy is the primary focus, almost always. Greatness is always the primary focus because otherwise you never achieve greatness. If you're just thinking about money, I don't think those guys ever get to the level that you're at or the level that the elite of the elite get. I think those guys have to have their eye on being the number one dog, period. Facts.

59:02Terence Crawford:That's why I asked, what is you doing it for? Because Ngannou, you know, he's already famous. Right. He's probably like, okay, well, if y 'all going to pay me X amount over here and they only going to pay me this, then it makes business sense to go over here. Yes. You know, and that's just like Conor Baird. He just signed with Zufa. And a lot of people was saying he's disloyal and Eddie Hearns now was loyal to him and this and that and this.

59:36Joe Rogan:He's getting$15 million for his next life.

59:38Terence Crawford:I'm like, man, what is people talking about? I said, it's just business. It ain't personal with with them, I bet. I said, kind of being there, what was best for him and his family. I said, just like the promotional companies going to do what's best for them and their business. If a fighter that they sign lose probably two straight, they get to cut them. No questions asked. Why? Because now they're wasting money. They feel they don't care about that person. Family don't care about that person. relationship with them, they're not going in there with their heart like, oh, man, you a good buddy. They're like, ah, sorry.

1:00:17Terence Crawford:It's just business. Cut you. So when a fighter does the same thing that a promotional company do or a manager or anybody else, it's all you disloyal, you this, you that. I'm like, make it make sense.

1:00:30Joe Rogan:It doesn't make any sense in boxing because in boxing, there's so many promoters. There's so many different people. It's Eddie Hearns, Bob Arum. There's so many different promoters. Don King. There's so many different promoters. That's the beauty of boxing is that there's a lot of competition, and there's a lot of people that are there to try to get you over onto their side. And there's cross-promotion. There's no cross-promotion in MMA. It doesn't exist. They tried it a little bit in the early days. They sent some UFC fighters over to Japan to fight for pride, and they brought some pride fighters over into the UFC, but they don't do that anymore.

1:01:07Joe Rogan:That was the early days. because the sport wasn't big back then. They were just trying to get big names, and they were trying to work a promotional deal, but Japanese, man, they're clever. Like, when they sold them Pride, they thought they were getting all the fighters. It turned out all the contracts were bullshit. None of them were valid. They basically bought Pride for, I think they spent$65 million, and they got a library. They just got a video library.

1:01:33Terence Crawford:UFC did?

1:01:33Joe Rogan:Yeah, they didn't get shit. They didn't get Fedor. Fedor was the big dog at one point in time he was kicking everybody lays I remember fucking everybody up slamming him armbarning him fucking people up standing he was a complete it was and he was at the same time where Cain Velasquez was in his prime and that was the fight that they tried to put together but the Russians because uh the UFC didn't have a contract with Fedor anymore because the contracts of Pride were all bullshit. They had a deal with, you know, these Russian gangsters. And these Russian gangsters were like, you know, they wanted a piece of the promotion.

1:02:11Joe Rogan:They wanted a lot. And the UFC wasn't willing. It got very contentious. The UFC had to up their security. It got sketchy. It got sketchy. They're bad dudes. Those are bad dudes, man. You know? But it's just, as a fan, we were robbed. of one of the greatest matchups in the history of the sport. And there's a few of those moments in combat sports where you've got these just top dogs where you're like, God, we've got to see that happen. For a while it was Floyd and Manny, right? For a while. And after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Manny, it took a little shine off of that. And then eventually they fought, but Manny had a hurt shoulder.

1:02:55Joe Rogan:Now they're going to do it again. They're both 50. It's crazy. You're going to watch it, though. I'm going to watch it. Fuck you, I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch him fight Mike. I think that's crazy. He's going to have an exhibition with Tyson, which is crazy.

1:03:09Terence Crawford:Yeah, that's crazy.

1:03:10Joe Rogan:Mike is so much bigger than him. He's so much bigger than him.

1:03:15Terence Crawford:He's not going to land a fist on Mayweather. Right. Not after his last performance. I think Tyson just needs to get it.

1:03:24Joe Rogan:What do you think was going on with that, the last one?

1:03:26Terence Crawford:It looked a little bit like sparring. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was scripted. Yeah. I ain't never seen Tyson biting his gloves. And, like, you could just, it was taking all that he could not to, like, hit him. He, it was just like, it's heartbreaking to see an icon go out like that.

1:03:47Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:03:47Terence Crawford:You know, and.

1:03:48Joe Rogan:But it's crazy also to see him fight at 57 years old. Like, that's nuts.

1:03:52Terence Crawford:Yeah, but still, like, he shouldn't have been in there at all. You know, I think it's. He needed the money. It's other ways. Yeah. It's other ways for people. But what did he get?

1:04:02Joe Rogan:He got at least 20, right?

1:04:04Terence Crawford:Yeah, but still, I think. But I think he needed that money. Yeah, but with all his connections and things like that, I think people could have put him in the right position to make some money.

1:04:14Joe Rogan:If he's got people with him that are looking out for his best interest, but you know how it is. When there's a guy like that that's a big name, usually everybody around him pretends they're looking out for their best interest, but there's always lawsuits later on. You find out someone was stealing money or not paying him what he deserved. There's always a bunch of bullshit involved. Yeah. You know, unfortunately, especially if you're not business-minded, which I don't know if Mike is, but most fighters aren't. Most fighters concentrate on fighting. To be business-minded, that's a giant distraction.

1:04:46Joe Rogan:You've got to pay attention to all this other shit. On top of that, it's generally not how they think. Right. You know? I mean, look at Floyd. Like Floyd spends money like it's a tap. Like he's got a tap, just like unlimited amount of money. Money's just flowing. And even as much money as he's made in his career, which he's probably made as much if not more money than any boxer ever, like there's all these lawsuits. Like he hasn't been paying things and he owes money on this and owes money on that. And it's like – and then he's got to come out of retirement.

1:05:19Terence Crawford:Yeah. That's tough. Yeah. That's tough. I think it's just the lifestyle that Floyd lived. Yes. I think he can't fathom to just live a modest lifestyle. It's like he got to be lavish.

1:05:34Joe Rogan:Right. He's got to have those videos where he shows you all the watches, where he opens the case up. Yeah.

1:05:39Terence Crawford:All the money. He got to show that he got a million dollars in his backpack. Yeah. You know, he got the latest watch and the latest car and look what I just bought.

1:05:49Joe Rogan:And when you get into latest watches and latest cars, you get into that shit, like, boy, that money goes quick. Bugattis are like$3 million. There's watches that are$3,$5 million. That's crazy. So you buy a watch and a car, you're down$10. That's nuts. That's nuts. Crazy. I remember Iran Barkley was talking about that. Iran Barkley, when he was in his prime, was hanging out with all these professional athletes. and everybody was getting diamond-crusted chains and this and that, and he was keeping up with these people. Like, you got to keep up with the Joneses. And he just found himself, like, draining all of his money.

1:06:28Joe Rogan:He was talking about it. Like, that was the biggest detriment to him being able to save any money.

1:06:33Terence Crawford:Mm-hmm. They trying to keep up.

1:06:35Joe Rogan:Yeah, which I thought was funny when I was listening to this conversation with Chad Ochocinco. He was talking about it. Wow, is jewelry fake? Yeah, he was wearing fake jewelry. But who would know?

1:06:46Terence Crawford:What's that? Who would know?

1:06:48Joe Rogan:No one would know. Exactly. It's like when they look at him, like. Flying economy. He was sleeping at the stadium. Like, so he didn't have to pay for an apartment. So smart.

1:06:58Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:06:58Joe Rogan:So clever, you know. But that's a guy, like, preparing.

1:07:02Terence Crawford:Nobody going to question him. Exactly. You know, oh, man, this NFL star, he got money.

1:07:07Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:07:08Terence Crawford:You know, so we're not going to question if his dime is real or not.

1:07:11Joe Rogan:Well, you really can't tell. Right. I can't. You can't tell until you get a magnifying glass on.

1:07:17Terence Crawford:That's why they say we got these diamond testers. You want to test your diamonds now. Come on now. It's just an illusion anyway. Do you fuck around with any of that stuff? I got jewelry, but I'm not paying all that money for no jewelry. Yeah. No, we can get some sponsorships. Yes. But me keep spending hundreds and millions of dollars on jewelry? Nah, that ain't me.

1:07:41Joe Rogan:It's just not smart.

1:07:42Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:07:43Joe Rogan:And you don't get out of it what it costs. Like if you think about how much blood, sweat, what? Sometimes you do.

1:07:51Terence Crawford:What do you get? Now, if you buy it from the factory. Now, if you get you a Rolex from the Rolex store, you know, you might can get some money back from it. You can flip it. Yeah. That's true. Now, buzz now is no. But if you get it from the actual store, the protect store, the Rolex store. That's true. Them type of stores. Keep the box and the papers.

1:08:13Joe Rogan:It's worth more money.

1:08:15Terence Crawford:Then it's an investment. But all them other ones, the chains and stuff like that, no. You don't never see a billionaire with no chain.

1:08:22Joe Rogan:No.

1:08:23Terence Crawford:You see it with a good watch, though.

1:08:24Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:08:26Terence Crawford:See it with a good watch.

1:08:27Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's true. It's just the trappings of fame and also showing everybody that you have that money, the trappings of wealth, competing with all this other, getting your own private jet, all that stuff. It's like, ooh.

1:08:41Terence Crawford:I learned from them. I learned from them because the people with the real wealth, you don't know they got the wealth.

1:08:48Joe Rogan:Right.

1:08:49Terence Crawford:You know? Right. They walk around, plain Jane clothes, know nothing.

1:08:53Joe Rogan:Yep.

1:08:54Terence Crawford:You know, but the people that have a little bit of money, they want you to know that they got a little bit of money, but they don't have the wealth. Right. So I'd rather be wealthy than rich any day in a week.

1:09:05Joe Rogan:But what I wanted to tell you, my daughter is studying, semester, laptop, software, software, internet, so a master is really cheap.

1:09:13Terence Crawford:Say her, she can get it back.

1:09:16Joe Rogan:You mean from the Steuer to set up, but she doesn't pay.

1:09:19Terence Crawford:No, it's a failure to pay. She makes it very simple with Visa Steuers. And if she works, it's a kaching.

1:09:26Joe Rogan:That's it?

1:09:27Terence Crawford:Safe, Visa Steuers.

1:09:29Joe Rogan:Hol her your money back.

1:09:30Terence Crawford:Now, let's try it.

1:09:32Joe Rogan:Yes, and sneak around. Yeah. and keep it. Yeah, there you go. That's the thing, because a lot of what wealth is is never having to worry about money. That's the big thing. Just have that money invested, have that money making money for you, don't spend it all on stupid shit, live a modest life, live a normal life, you're much better off. Especially a professional athlete because you have such a small window of time. I mean, a lot of men don't even make their real money until they're deep in their 40s and 50s.

1:10:03Terence Crawford:Or the end of their 30s. Yeah, yeah. Look at Floyd. When he fought De La Hoya, then he fought Gotti. Then he started making some real money.

1:10:15Joe Rogan:Yes. You know what I mean? But, I mean, that's for a pro athlete. But for most of these, like, really wealthy business people, most of them, unless they're tech investors.

1:10:25Terence Crawford:Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:10:26Joe Rogan:They're making their money later in life. And so you have all this opportunity to keep growing your wealth. But when you're an athlete, you've got a small window of your prime. Your prime is essentially like maybe 20 years. Maybe 20 years you can make money from 20 to 40. But for a pro athlete, unless you're Tom Brady, 40 is the end. Or unless you're Bernard. Bernard was fighting at a world-class level at 49, 50 years old, which is crazy.

1:10:54Terence Crawford:Crazy.

1:10:55Joe Rogan:Crazy.

1:10:56Terence Crawford:That's because he take care of his body. 100%. You don't put nothing crazy in it. Super disciplined.

1:11:00Joe Rogan:Never gets out of shape. Never puts any bullshit in his body. and also that mindset of what he learned when he was incarcerated. Like discipline is everything. Discipline. Discipline, knowing you're never going back to that. Don't buy anything stupid. Don't be dumb with your money. Don't be dumb with your body. Take care of yourself. Never get out of shape. Always keep your conditioning up so when you go into camp, you're not struggling to get back in shape again. You're already in shape. Now you're just working on your skills and honing everything to a razor-sharp edge.

1:11:33Terence Crawford:I think that goes to, like I said before, the people that you have around you, you know, that want to see you be successful and the people that you can learn from and the people that you can get advice from. You know, when they see you about to do something that you shouldn't do, they be like, hey, man, we we ain't doing that. Come on, let's go. Or they'll call you be like, let's go run. I'm I'm not doing it. Let's go jog or let's go to the gym or let's go eat some healthy food. people that want to see you be successful, not the ones that say, hey, let's go party, let's go drink, let's go do this.

1:12:08Terence Crawford:Let's do cocaine. I think those are the people that you need to get from around you. The ones that see you doing things that you shouldn't be doing, but that's cool with them seeing you doing that. Yeah, that's also the problem with an entourage, too.

1:12:23Joe Rogan:Yeah, for sure. These guys are rolling with an entourage. You always got one dude who's fucking up with an entourage, and there's conflicts in the entourage between dudes, and it's like you're managing a whole team of knuckleheads. It's like, oh, God. Just so that you can roll deep when you show up at a place. You have 30 dudes hop out of SUVs. Oh, he's here. He's here. Look at that group behind him. I don't need none of that. That's beautiful. I don't need none of that. That's a valuable lesson for young fighters to see your example. I'm glad you live the way you live. I really am. I really am because I think it's so important for guys to see.

1:12:56Joe Rogan:So let me ask you this. When you were training for Canelo, what did you do different? So knowing that you're going to be fighting at 168 instead of 54 or 47, what did you do different in terms of did you do anything different about strength and conditioning? How long did you prepare? Like I know you were thinking about that fight for a long time, but like when you were physically preparing for it, knowing that you were going to be fighting him at 68, what did you do different?

1:13:23Terence Crawford:To be honest, I didn't do nothing different. Really? It's crazy. Like all my fights, there's nothing different. You know, we trained for me, me getting sharper, what I need to work on, what I'm lacking in. But the only thing that I changed for the fight with Canelo is Chet, my strength and condition coach. He got me in February. He called me up. He like, hey, we going to get this fight. He just kept saying we going to get it. So you need to be working out now. So this way before I ever got the Canelo fight. So I'm like, all right, so he'll come over to my house. We'll work out, we'll work out, we'll work out.

1:14:02Joe Rogan:What kind of stuff were you doing? Just strength work, just strength work. Like deadlifts, like what kind of stuff?

1:14:07Terence Crawford:Deadlifts, strength condition, like deadlifts, working on good legs and things like that, and just getting my body just, you know, back to where it needed to be, you know. And he just like, man, you got to strengthen up your shoulders and things like that. And because Quiet is Kep, I had just had shoulder surgery.

1:14:27Joe Rogan:You did?

1:14:28Terence Crawford:Yeah, so I just, you know, there's a lot of things that I go through in training, but I don't speak about because I don't never want it to be an excuse, you know. That's just one of the injuries that I was coming off of. But, yeah, and he was just like, man, we got to work. We got to work. So what was the shoulder injury? Labrum.

1:14:52Joe Rogan:Labrum.

1:14:53Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:14:54Joe Rogan:So did you get it sewed back up? Yeah. Did you get stem cells shot in there at all? No, no, no.

1:14:58Terence Crawford:No? I just had surgery on the front and the back.

1:15:02Joe Rogan:I wish I talked to you about that. Yeah. Could have got you in.

1:15:05Terence Crawford:Yeah. I didn't get it on my left shoulder, so I tore both of them. Well, I tore my left in the Gamboa fight. Really? Yeah. And you never got it fixed? Never. Is it okay now or does it fuck with you? No, it's still tore. Really? But the doctors say if it's not preventing you from working out, then they wouldn't advise me to get surgery. Do you feel it?

1:15:27Joe Rogan:Does it bother you?

1:15:28Terence Crawford:Sometimes, but not really. Like, it bothered me, like, sometimes, but, like, not crazy. How long are you down for? I leave after this. Dang. But the right one? That was crazy. Like, it was hurting when I was sleeping after the Majumov fight. Oh, really? Yeah, after the Majumov fight. It was, like, thriving. And then it was just like, man, we better get it done. But he was just on me. Like, we got to do physical therapy. We got to do this. We got to do this. And it was just like, all right, let's go. So he was just on me, and he was just speaking it into existence. He was like, man, you're going to get this fight.

1:16:01Terence Crawford:I can feel it. I can feel it. So, like, I started training for Canelo in February. I wasn't, you know, more so doing boxing workout, but I was just getting my body prepared to, you know, go to camp, and when I start back to go.

1:16:18Joe Rogan:So strength work is, like, the basics, strength training. But, like, what kind of conditioning were you doing?

1:16:25Terence Crawford:Oh, nothing different. like running, swimming, things like that.

1:16:30Joe Rogan:And you didn't try to put on any weight? Just tried to be able to walk around the way it is?

1:16:35Terence Crawford:No, I just tightened it up. With the strength work, just tightened it up. That was it.

1:16:41Joe Rogan:Damn, I wish I knew that you had a problem with your shoulder. I could get you back in town. There's a place called Waste Well that I work with here that does stem cells that helps so many fighters out. A lot of UFC guys come here. A lot of pro athletes come here. NFL guys come here just to get stem cells. It's like a state-of-the-art facility. It's really good, and it could help you. I bet it could heal that labrum.

1:17:07Terence Crawford:Probably. Yeah. We'll see.

1:17:08Joe Rogan:Especially now because you're not going to beat it up as much anymore. Yeah. Obviously, I'm sure you're still working out. You look great.

1:17:14Terence Crawford:No, I'm actually not.

1:17:15Joe Rogan:Not working out at all? Nothing?

1:17:16Terence Crawford:No, I've been chilling. You earned it. Hey, I've been putting on my time with my kids and just, you know, relaxing and not having to worry about running and waking up in the morning. Did they offer you a rematch? No.

1:17:32Joe Rogan:They didn't? Because there was talk that they offered you a rematch, but you wanted$100 million. No, that's a lie. All internet bullshit?

1:17:38Terence Crawford:That's a lie. There wasn't even no rematch in the contract. There was no conversation about a rematch. There still hasn't been a conversation about a rematch. I've seen Canelo said that he won a rematch, but nobody has reached out to me and said, hey, Terrence, what you think about a rematch or anything like that? So let's put that out there.

1:18:00Joe Rogan:Is there a number that would bring you back?

1:18:03Terence Crawford:I don't know. Like, me personally, I can't say it is, you know. You're just not compelled. Yeah, not at all. You did it.

1:18:11Joe Rogan:Yeah. Did it perfect.

1:18:13Terence Crawford:It's like I'm not the motivation. I'm always motivated by competing and, you know, things like that. But, like, when it comes to, like, boxing, it's like I did it all.

1:18:27Joe Rogan:Right.

1:18:27Terence Crawford:Like, it's like I checked everything off the checkbox. So it's like it wasn't close. Right. You know? Right. I beat him, you know, decisively. So what am I doing it for?

1:18:40Joe Rogan:I think I might have given him one or maybe two rounds. More like one. Yeah. It was mostly, I think it was like maybe the fifth he had a really good fifth round.

1:18:51Terence Crawford:Yeah, the fifth round he had a good fifth round. Yeah.

1:18:53Joe Rogan:But other than that, man, especially the ninth round. Woo! Woo!

1:18:58Terence Crawford:And he headbutt me. He headbutt me on purpose. Did he? Yes. Really? Yes. I was like, man. And he was like, sorry, champion. I was like, it's a motherfucker. He just got a little angry. Yeah.

1:19:11Joe Rogan:A little frustrated.

1:19:12Terence Crawford:Yeah, a little frustrated. But it's a fight. Like, anytime I'm in a fight, I don't complain about nothing. If somebody hit me in the back of the head or they hit me below the waist or anything like that, I never complain. Because I'm so aggressive, I'm like, it's a fight. You know what I mean? Like, they trying to do whatever they can to win. It's up to this referee to step in. Because if he don't, then I'm going to take matters in my own hands and I'm going to do the same thing. So, I don't complain. I'm just like, bam. I was a little frustrated. and i was like man all right all right breathe let's get back to work yeah don't lose your

1:19:48Joe Rogan:composure yeah that's the problem with getting angry right yeah for sure yeah but yeah that ninth round whoo that's when you really start separating yeah you really start pouring it on i was wondering if you're gonna stop them when the ninth round was going on when you were cracking

1:20:03Terence Crawford:them with some big shots i'm like whoa so i told my coach when we was in there he was like you don't gotta do that you don't gotta because they they know they know me and i'm like man i can go for it and you know and it's just like they they just know me they know my demeanor and it was like you don't gotta give them a chance just keep doing what you're doing you're boxing the shit out of them you you winning hands down don't give them a chance you don't gotta box them you don't gotta do that you winning so it's just like me wanting to listen to my coaches all the time because that's I have that much faith in them, if they tell me to go out there and use my jab the whole fight, that's what I'm going to do because that's the belief I have in them, you know.

1:20:48Terence Crawford:And I just like, all right. The last round, I was like, all right, let me win this round and separate myself, you know. And I felt like I hurt him bad in that round. Yes. You know, but it's boxing.

1:21:04Joe Rogan:Yeah, well, he's got a crazy chin. Yeah. He's got a crazy chin. I mean, it's something unusual. No.

1:21:14Terence Crawford:You don't think so? No, they said redheads, it's hard to knock out. It's proven. Is it? Yeah, I Googled it. What is they called? Gingers? Yeah, gingers. Yeah. I promise you, when you look it up. Well, they have a higher paint on it, supposedly. Yes, yes. Yeah. When you look it up, I looked it up because my cousin, she's a nurse, and she said, yeah, them gingers, they hard to put to sleep, even when you giving them the aesthetics to go to sleep. Really? Yeah.

1:21:45Joe Rogan:Interesting. Anesthesia. Redheads often possess a unique pain profile, generally exhibiting a higher threshold for specific types of pain like heat or pressure, but requiring 19 % to 20 % more general anesthesia.

1:21:57Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:21:57Joe Rogan:Wow. Or higher. 19 % to 20%. That's a lot. Or higher doses of certain anesthetics to reach the same level of comfort. That's crazy. Largely due to the mutated MC1R gene, which affects nerve sensitivity, can lead to increased sensitivity to pain and paradoxical increased sensitivity to some opioids. Interesting. Interesting. Increased sensitivity to opioids is interesting.

1:22:24Terence Crawford:When she told me that, I Googled it and I was like, damn. This is why Canelo, you know what I mean, can take so many good shots.

1:22:33Joe Rogan:That does make sense. Well, you know, Neanderthals supposedly had red hair. So maybe like redheads have more Neanderthal genes. Probably. You know, the Neanderthals were brutally strong. I wonder if that's where it comes from.

1:22:46Terence Crawford:I thought she was playing at first. That's crazy. She was like, man, when we be trying to put them to sleep, it'd be harder to put them to sleep than normal people. So I started Googling, and I'm like, fucking right.

1:22:59Joe Rogan:19 % to 20 % is nuts. That's a lot. That's like the difference between killing someone and them just going to sleep. Like, you give them an extra 20%, they might not wake up. Facts. That's crazy. 19 % to 20 % is wild. Yeah. Well, I was talking to Jim Lampley, and I didn't know this, but Canelo has always been riding horses since he was young. That's good for his balance. Yeah. And the legs. And the legs. Yeah. It's his base. That's a big part of it. Also, he's got that thick fucking neck, big square head.

1:23:31Terence Crawford:Like he's been doing an iron neck all this life.

1:23:32Joe Rogan:The search says Neanderthals have a different mutation that actually gives them more sensitivity to pain. Interesting. More sensitivity? Yeah. Lower threshold. Interesting. That's like the opposite. Wow. Even though they're redheaded. So he ain't one of them. He ain't one of them.

1:23:56Joe Rogan:it's one of those mexican redheads right yeah it's wild that's crazy but yeah i never thought the horse thing like lampley was explaining it's like yeah the balance and the the legs because you're you're constantly squeezing down on that horse and you're constantly adjusting and your core and everything like oh i never even thought of that i would just think fucking why are you riding horses when you're a world champion don't do that people fall off horses they break their

1:24:19Terence Crawford:fucking neck don't do that yeah i seen a guy break his arm they wanted me to take a picture on the horse and my bro manny was like man i don't know about these fucking horses these horses be crazy i said man i rode horses before he was like yeah but it's a lot of people around and he asking the guy not about the horses and the other guy was like yeah he can get on this horse So I get on the horse I take the horse I take the pitcher And I get off No longer than like 10 minutes This guy on his own horse His horse just buck Go crazy Buck him off Boom he broke his arm This in the parade And the horse is just running wild I'm like he said see See this is what I was telling you He was going crazy He was like see I told you these fucking horses Yeah.

1:25:13Terence Crawford:But it wasn't the same horse. It was a different horse.

1:25:15Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:25:16Terence Crawford:But he was just like, see, that's why I was telling you these horses be fucking crazy.

1:25:20Joe Rogan:Yeah. You just never know with animals. My oldest daughter got into horses for a while. One of her friends used to do those things where, you know, the horse jumps over a thing. Like, you know, they have like a whole obstacle course. And she was getting into that. And she fell once and she was okay. And then she fell a second time. She hurt her wrist pretty bad. I was like, honey, you've got to stop. You can't be doing this. This is too dangerous. because like those kind of injuries you get falling off a horse especially if you get stomped those are

1:25:46Terence Crawford:life-changing especially if you get tied up tied up oh i didn't see videos of people getting buck in their legs oh they just a rag dog oh getting stomped in the head oh no no no no no yeah horses

1:26:03Joe Rogan:fuck that fuck that i i know quite a few people that have fallen off horses and been okay but like why why do it yeah yeah texas ranger everybody wants to be a cowboy they watch yellowstone two times everybody want to be a cowboy it's funny we were talking to andre ward on the phone today when uh you had andre on facetime and you're talking about burbles yeah but uh i've been going down this uh burble uh rabbit hole those those mastiffs i'm i'm fascinated by them man South African mastiffs, they used to keep lions and hyenas away from the farms. And we were talking about coyotes. You got land now.

1:26:47Joe Rogan:You're relaxing now. I like it. Separated from everything. Got some space.

1:26:53Terence Crawford:Yeah, but it's crazy because when I was building a house, a lot of people was like, oh, he's building a house on the Aero Spence money and this and that and this. I'm like, dude, do you know how long the process is of building houses? Like, this is not no week or two-month deal, you know what I mean? It's years. Yeah.

1:27:17Joe Rogan:Just from design to the beginning of construction, it's years. Yeah, for sure.

1:27:20Terence Crawford:You got to go pick out every fucking thing in the house. You know, I bought that land in 2016.

1:27:26Joe Rogan:Oh, really?

1:27:27Terence Crawford:Wow. And I just was sitting on it. It was a house there already. You know, I had it rent out to one of my buddies, my best friend at that, you know, and when the time came, I had more kids. So, you know, it was better that I waited than to build then. So I just was like, man, it's time. You know, it's more peaceful out there. The kids, they ride the four wheelers out there where we can shoot out there. Nice. We can do whatever we want out there, and it's just peaceful to wake up to the sunrise and the nature calling. Yeah. Ain't nothing like it.

1:28:06Joe Rogan:That's the dream.

1:28:07Terence Crawford:It's definitely the dream.

1:28:09Joe Rogan:Yeah, for a lot of people. That's nice. That's nice. It's nice to see someone just setting their life up right.

1:28:15Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:28:16Joe Rogan:You know? I'm just amazed that you don't get the itch at all.

1:28:21Terence Crawford:I'm more competitive in other sports. You know?

1:28:25Joe Rogan:Like what?

1:28:26Terence Crawford:Like basketball, football. Anything. I ain't gonna lie on anything I do. It's like I gotta compete. I gotta compete. Darts, pool, like whatever. You remember I came in here like, you wanna play pool? You're like, let's do it. I was like, no, I was just playing. You can't kick my ass on camera. I heard that you was good. I fucked Lennox Lewis up.

1:28:49Joe Rogan:Yeah. He was talking a lot of shit. Lennox Lewis never got a shot. I ran two racks on him and he was like we're done

1:28:57Terence Crawford:I came in here pump faking you already knowing I just like to have fun

1:29:06Joe Rogan:you know well everyone who is an elite athlete is insanely competitive you know that's the problem though is unfortunately some of them get involved in gambling you know like that's the Michael Jordan thing

1:29:17Terence Crawford:that's what we were just talking about he was like you gamble I said man I ain't never gamble

1:29:22Joe Rogan:Good for you.

1:29:23Terence Crawford:A lot of people was always asking me, why you don't gamble in your fights? I mean, no. I don't gamble at all. Good for you. You know, it was like, oh, well, we see you when you gambled on the streamer, you know, Aiden Ross. I said that was only because he called me out with my brother. What did you do? What was that? He bet me$10 ,000 that Tia Fima was going to whoop Shakur. Oh, that's a crazy bet. You know what I mean? So it was just like.

1:29:49Joe Rogan:That's a silly bet.

1:29:50Terence Crawford:He called me out on live, you know, streams. So I'm never going to back down from that. Of course. I'm riding with Shakur until the wheels fall off.

1:30:01Joe Rogan:That's also like if I was making odds, I'd put him like a 6-1.

1:30:06Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:30:06Joe Rogan:Like that's a crazy flat-out bet.

1:30:09Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:30:09Joe Rogan:You're not even getting any odds on the money, and you're putting it on Tiafimo. No disrespect to Tiafimo, but I think that Shakur is – he has the potential to be an all-time great. Yeah.

1:30:18Terence Crawford:He will be.

1:30:19Joe Rogan:I believe so.

1:30:20Terence Crawford:He will be. All he got to do is keep doing what he's doing, stay focused, and that's it. It's just, with fighters like Shakur, Devin, it's all about staying focused. You know, when these young fighters get to the pinnacle of boxing and they got everything at their disposal, sometimes they get caught up in the limelight and the things that really don't matter. You know, and long as they stay focused and keep their eye on the prize of where they want to go and where they want their legacy to land, they're going to be just fine. Yeah, because it's easy for them to get caught up and want to be a fan pleasing fighter.

1:31:11Terence Crawford:You know, listening to the masses, oh, they need to fight like this or I don't want to see them fight because all they do is run or all they do is fight like this. and they pity Pat. They ain't got no power, this and that. It's boxing. They winning. All they got to do is keep winning. That's it.

1:31:27Joe Rogan:Well, look at Floyd later in his life. Yeah. Like Floyd later in his life fought so safe, but yet made so much money because he talked so much shit. For sure. That people were spending money hoping he was going to lose.

1:31:39Terence Crawford:And he's not the first one that did that. Tyson. Yeah. Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. Muhammad Ali.

1:31:47Joe Rogan:Yep. And I always, I said this when I was with Todd Rang.

1:31:52Terence Crawford:I said, why is it only the black fighters that got to talk shit to sell like that?

1:32:00Joe Rogan:Well, in MMA, it's white fighters too. Conor McGregor.

1:32:02Terence Crawford:No, no, no. Conor McGregor, you know, I say he one of us, you know, because they was treated like black people over there where he from. You know, a lot of people don't know that.

1:32:14Joe Rogan:Oh, yeah, a lot of Irish slaves. They was treated just like us.

1:32:18Terence Crawford:So I consider him one of us. But at the same time, in boxing, it's always the black fighters got to be the ones that step out and play this circus role and be the one to talk shit and have everybody hate them. But the ones that don't, like Andre Ward, Terrence Crawford, Tim Bradley, you know, they boring or they can't sell, things like that. Is you judging me for what I say or what I do in the ring?

1:32:57Joe Rogan:Well, this is the difference with casuals versus people that really appreciate excellent boxing.

1:33:02Terence Crawford:I knock people out. Of course. That's what people want to see. They want to see action. I'm going to give them action.

1:33:07Joe Rogan:but I think for casuals they want to see a lot of shit talking too for some reason they want to get emotionally wrapped up in your conflict with this other person

1:33:18Terence Crawford:but they pick and choose

1:33:19Joe Rogan:they do sometimes but I mean like look Tyson Fury talks a lot of shit and obviously one of the greatest of all time talked a lot of shit sold a lot of tickets you know singing and shit that guy's great

1:33:35Terence Crawford:in his drawers in his cup legendary.

1:33:38Joe Rogan:He's a legend. He's a legend.

1:33:42Terence Crawford:I mean, that guy. But he's from a different country. Sure. He's a gypsy. You know what I mean? So you got to understand, like, he bringing those people over here, and they're going to support him win, lose, or draw. Yep. You know, when we went over to the UK and we watched Amir Khan fight Kel Brook, it was electrifying. And those guys had losses being both stopped and all that you know but those people came out to support like a motherfucker oh yeah oh and i left and i left that arena like god damn and i wish i was you know from the uk you know like because the way they support boxing oh they don't look at all since you lost you know we're not gonna support you they look at no these is warriors and we're not gonna stop supporting them because they lost.

1:34:32Joe Rogan:That's true. That is true about the UK.

1:34:35Terence Crawford:America, they like, man, you got your ass whooped, on to the next. You're a bum, you're washed, you ain't as good as you said you was or we thought you was, and it's just like they chew you up and spit you out, and it's like, God damn, you know how hard it is to stay at the top of a sport that everybody's gunning from you? You know, that shit hard.

1:34:58Joe Rogan:Yeah, that's the culture of America, though, right? It's a bit of a problem. It disgusts me with fighting.

1:35:04Terence Crawford:It's not like that in the UFC, though.

1:35:06Joe Rogan:It is. Not so much. There's plenty of people. Well, the UFC, it's not as important.

1:35:13Terence Crawford:I'm about to say it's only like a couple of people in the UFC that was undefeated. Very few. You know, you got Khabib. You got Jon Jones. He had that one little loss. That's a bullshit loss. Yeah, but everybody knows that was a bullshit loss. He dominated that, dude.

1:35:31Terence Crawford:My boy, Cejudo, he just finally lost with not too long. Well, he lost a bunch of times.

1:35:36Joe Rogan:He lost to Mighty Mouse early on. Then he came back and beat Mighty Mouse to win his first title. But, like,

1:35:44Terence Crawford:everybody else be having, like, five losses and stuff like that. And they be at the top of the top, you know. And everybody still support them. But don't nobody go, oh, he got five losses, he trashed, he did that. No, it's just.

1:35:57Joe Rogan:That's true.

1:35:58Terence Crawford:Maybe it was off night.

1:35:59Joe Rogan:There's something to that because I think it's more difficult to not lose in MMA. There's just too many different styles. There's too many different approaches, too many variables. And it's also so difficult to not be hurt in training before you fight. When you're grappling, kicking legs, elbows, all that shit you're doing in training, jujitsu, you're manipulating joints. There's so many different things that can get fucked up. I mean, think about all the things that get fucked up just with your hands, just boxing, shoulders, back, knees. Ribs. Ribs, yeah. Neck. Yep, neck, shoulder. Yeah, yeah.

1:36:36Joe Rogan:And then add getting dumped on your head. Add, you know, getting kneed in the face. Add, getting your legs kicked. Knees buckled.

1:36:45Terence Crawford:Toes broke.

1:36:46Joe Rogan:Toes broke, yeah. I mean, Pereira fought a world title fight with a broken toe.

1:36:50Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:36:51Joe Rogan:Just came in and fought with it. And afterwards, toes all fucked up and crooked to the side, and he, like, adjusts it and pops it into place.

1:36:59Terence Crawford:It's tough for them for combat sports, you know. And people don't know, like I said, they don't know what we go through. We don't ever walk in a world-class fight, you know, the same or 100 % healthy. Like, everybody just be like, oh, man, I'm 100%. No, the fuck you're not.

1:37:17Joe Rogan:It's not possible. There's always going to be something that's bothering you. Yeah. If you're going through a 10-week camp, how is it even possible to not have something?

1:37:28Terence Crawford:If they bullshit, but it's going to show in the fight. It shows in the fight.

1:37:32Joe Rogan:But don't they? Everybody always says, nobody says, I'm pretty fucked up going into this fight, but I'm hoping it works out. Nobody says that.

1:37:38Terence Crawford:Nobody says that.

1:37:39Joe Rogan:No. I mean, it's just, it's the game.

1:37:42Terence Crawford:When they talked about my shoulder, you know, before the Canelo fight, I was just like, I don't know. Tell him to hit me in both of my shoulders. you know like it don't matter like my shoulder is healed like yeah how long did it take before it felt 100 again after the fight really yeah because i got it on halloween oh you got in october yeah and then how many months did you have to recover i fought september whoa okay so

1:38:12Joe Rogan:that wasn't so you had not even a year and when did you really start training hard again after the surgery uh probably april okay that's a good amount of time yeah if people don't realize like shoulders are such a complicated joint there's all this different movement and it still wasn't like

1:38:35Terence Crawford:like 100 after i fought because you didn't have your strength all the way back to even after you fought yeah like it wasn't 100 so it wasn't 100 in the fight

1:38:49Terence Crawford:that's crazy i always tell people like if you watch my jab and my hook in the canelo fight then watch my jab and my hook my prior fights you know and majimov and spence you'll see the difference really you know but the blind eye wouldn't even notice it right you know they'll just be like oh but then when they look effective yeah but then but then when they know they be like it wasn't as snappy it wasn't as hard you know you kind of was just like landing out there

1:39:22Joe Rogan:so that's just little key little things but now it's 100 % it's good now wow and the left one

1:39:29Terence Crawford:doesn't bother you really uh the left one it bothered me when i when it's overused you know but like in a fight no I don't think none of that shit bothers me

1:39:42Joe Rogan:do you have any plans to come back in town

1:39:45Terence Crawford:nah nah can we get you back in town I never come to Austin you know the the only time I ever came here was this podcast never ever been here in my life really oh it's a great city yeah Julie always talked about it

1:39:58Joe Rogan:so many good restaurants so many good places

1:40:01Terence Crawford:she took me to the college and all that and you know reminiscing because she went to college here and she just loved it here. So she's like, this is the bars that we went to. This is this, this, this. I'm like, oh, Julie, you're a happy place, huh? She was like, I just love it here.

1:40:15Joe Rogan:Well, why not move here? It's a great town. I love it to death. But if you want to come back, I would love to get you set up, get your shoulder taken care of. It'll change your life. Stem cells, wild, man. It's crazy what it could do. It just regenerates tissue. Everything heals. Within weeks, you start feeling better. You're like, God. Yeah. Everything just feels looser.

1:40:37Terence Crawford:For sure.

1:40:37Joe Rogan:I've had so many friends that were like on the verge of getting surgery. Like, I don't know, doctor says I need surgery. Get stem cells. Everything's good. I had a full length rotator cuff tear. I went to the doctor six months after the stem cells. He's like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. He's like, that tear doesn't even exist anymore. It's gone. Completely healed. It's crazy. Like stem cells are nuts, man. And they're getting better at it all the time. Like, it's just pharmaceutical drug companies fucking hate it. Surgeons hate it. Like, doctors hate it because it's going to cost them money.

1:41:13Joe Rogan:Yeah, it's going to take away their money. Yeah, it's a bunch of people that are going to get treated with stem cells that don't need surgery. Right. And afterwards, they're like, oh, I'm good. Because the doctors, like, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And these doctors, the way they make their money is cutting you. And they all want to cut you. And it's amazing how many different, especially soft tissue injuries, how many different injuries you can heal with stem cells. It's pretty remarkable. My doctors tried to avoid cutting me.

1:41:43Terence Crawford:Did they? Well, that's good. So they waited all the way until. That's a good doctor. You know? That's a good doctor. Until it was like we got to. Mm-hmm.

1:41:53Joe Rogan:And that's after the Madrimal fight, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'd love to get you back in here because I really think they could help that. For sure. Yeah, especially you got your whole life ahead of you now. You don't want that bothering you, fucking with you. You'll be able to do whatever you want. And especially now because you're not training hard, ooh, it'll heal good. Yeah. Because that's the problem. A lot of guys, they get the stem cells and they go back to training in a few weeks and then they kind of – it's not 100 % healed and they tweak it a little bit. But now if you're not training at all, this is the perfect time to do something like that.

1:42:30Joe Rogan:Yeah. So what is your plans now? Now that you're on top of the world, you did it, what does it feel like? It feels like it's supposed to. Like it's supposed to.

1:42:40Terence Crawford:It feels like it's supposed to. A lot of people, they ask me, they say, man, how do I feel? How's the retirement life? I'm like, the same. Nothing in my life has changed, but the people everywhere else congratulating me and things like that. But as far as my living aspect of my life, it's the same. When I'm fighting, training, I'm focused on the fight. But after that, it's my kids, the gym, things like that.

1:43:21Joe Rogan:Do you have any interest in doing commentary at all? Because I think you'd be great at that. I'd be chilling.

1:43:29Terence Crawford:I don't be like in a, be in the media talking and all this stuff.

1:43:32Joe Rogan:You don't even have to be in the media. I'll be avoiding the media.

1:43:36Terence Crawford:I'll be avoiding the media. You know how like some people, like they want to be all up in the limelight and things like that.

1:43:45Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:43:45Terence Crawford:I'll just be, I'll be avoiding. They'll be like, Tans, can we get in here? Nah, nah, nah, right now. I don't want to talk.

1:43:50Joe Rogan:Yeah.

1:43:50Terence Crawford:You know.

1:43:51Joe Rogan:Well, I appreciate you coming in here though.

1:43:52Terence Crawford:Oh yeah, for sure. You know, but a lot of people ask me that. Do you want to be like all the other fighters and be a commentary, you know? Nah.

1:44:03Joe Rogan:Good for you.

1:44:05Terence Crawford:I'll be cool.

1:44:06Joe Rogan:Good for you. That's going to help you so much. It's going to help you so much because it's the people that crave that limelight. When it all goes away, then they're like, well, who am I? I thought I was special. I thought I was special. You know? I want to be the guy when, oh, he's here, he's here. You know? They want to be constantly in the limelight, showing up at red carpets, all that. I avoid all that shit. I don't want to have nothing to do with that.

1:44:28Terence Crawford:I know who I am, you know, internally. Yes. Can't nobody, you know, tell me who Terrence Crawford is. So I'm happy in my own skin, always been happy in my own skin, and I believe that's how I got to the point where I'm at now. You know, when nobody believed in me, I didn't listen to them because I knew who I was all along. When people told me I was a bad businessman, okay, look at me now. When people told me what I should have did and what I shouldn't have done and I did what I wanted to do, look at me now. So now it's like everybody's like, man, this dude was new all along. It's like, yeah, because I'm not a follower.

1:45:15Terence Crawford:I'm not going to listen to people that has never done anything in their life and never took no chances or no risks. to tell me what I can and what I can't do. So I'm happy in my own skin. I'm happy, you know, whether they chant my name or whether they not, as long as my family love me and my family there and they good, they well taken care of, then that's the only thing that makes me happy.

1:45:42Joe Rogan:That's beautiful. I hope young fighters that are inspired by you take that example. I hope they take that mindset and try to adopt it as their own. I really do. I really do because there's so many young fighters that just can't wait to be that person in the limelight, can't wait to be that person living flashy in front of everybody. And it's a foolish adventure.

1:46:07Terence Crawford:It's temporary. It's temporary. And they don't understand that. Like, they only chant your name for a moment, you know. It's very temporary, you know, and they'll turn on you in a heartbeat. You know, just do something crazy or lose a match that you're not supposed to lose or be up against one of your rivals and you lose, and then everybody going to turn it back on you.

1:46:32Joe Rogan:100%. You know, and you're going to be sitting there lost.

1:46:36Terence Crawford:Look at Broner. When he was at the top of the top, everybody was there. He had everybody in this corner. Now he had his lowest. Now they're making fun of him. Now they're taking pictures, and, you know, I hit him up.

1:46:49Joe Rogan:He makes fun of himself too, though.

1:46:50Terence Crawford:Yeah, he do, but he's suffering.

1:46:52Joe Rogan:Yes.

1:46:53Terence Crawford:You know, and I hit him up, and I try to encourage him, and I send him messages, and, you know, and you got to be there for people when they're at their lowest.

1:47:03Joe Rogan:That's great. He was a very talented guy, but, again, that's what you said. Like, he's a guy who really got caught up in it.

1:47:10Terence Crawford:Mm-hmm. That's a perfect example.

1:47:12Joe Rogan:What's Gervonta doing now?

1:47:14Terence Crawford:I don't know. Is he on the run? I don't know. I don't know nothing about that guy. I think he's on the run.

1:47:20Joe Rogan:At least he was, like, recently. That's unfortunate. He's so fucking talented. He's such an unusual style, too, you know? Very economical, throws very few punches, but when he does, it's boom.

1:47:36Terence Crawford:Explosive?

1:47:36Joe Rogan:Super, super explosive. I mean, this is a great time for boxing, though. It really is. It's an exciting time for boxing. There's a lot of stars right now, you know.

1:47:47Terence Crawford:And they fighting each other. That's the most important thing that I can say is the fights is being made. Whether you're on this side or that side, the fights is being made. The promoters is working together within each other. So no matter.

1:48:08Joe Rogan:What do you attribute that to? Do you think that's Riyadh season? Of course. Yeah.

1:48:12Terence Crawford:Of course. Yeah. Turkey came in, changed up the game. You know, he went to the fighters. You know, hey, I got this, I got this. We want this fight to happen. And the fighters were like, whoa, we know we're not going to get this. And nothing. Nobody would have never seen no B-Vol, better B-F fight. That fight would have never happened. Them promoters are not going to pay that money. You know, there are so many fights out there that the promoters would have never paid for. Top Rank would have never paid the money that Turkey paid to see Shakur and T.O. fight. Right. You know, so we got so many fights because of him.

1:49:00Terence Crawford:And we need to be appreciative of him because without him, none of those fights would have happened. 100%. The Canelo fight wouldn't have happened for me. The Majumov fight wouldn't have happened for me. And so many more.

1:49:15Joe Rogan:Absolutely. I think that's very exciting. But that's what the sport needed. It needed someone to come in with deep pockets that just said, let's make these fights happen.

1:49:26Terence Crawford:And I think that's why, you know, boxing is on a rise right now. People is talking about boxing more. People is more supportive about boxing now. and people was tuning into not only Riyadh season shows, but all shows. Look at Clarissa. Yep. She just put on a hell of a performance.

1:49:44Joe Rogan:Hell of a performance.

1:49:45Terence Crawford:And it was rocking in that moment. Yeah. It was crazy. It was sold out over 16 ,000 people as a woman.

1:49:52Joe Rogan:I know, right?

1:49:53Terence Crawford:Man, she doing her thing. And people don't give women enough credit. Like, she bringing out stars, you know, And, man, it was a good atmosphere in there. Yeah.

1:50:07Joe Rogan:And it was a very skillful fight. Yeah. They came to bang. They came to bang.

1:50:12Terence Crawford:I said, y 'all came out of there fighting like cats and dogs in that first round. Ooh-wee. But you could see it in her face. She wanted the knockout so bad. Oh, yeah.

1:50:21Joe Rogan:I was like, ugh, she's a dog. She's ferocious. Yeah. And so skillful, too. Yeah. You know, but she's a unique individual star in a realm where there's not a lot of women stars. You know, it's like, but I think a person like her can encourage others. Yeah. And there could be more. And when you have one star, a lot of times it does sort of open up the landscape for more.

1:50:47Terence Crawford:For sure. For sure. Because she.

1:50:49Joe Rogan:She transcends. Yeah. She transcends boxing. Like a lot of people know who Clarissa Shields is. A lot of people know who she is outside of boxing. And there's not a lot of other female boxers you could say that about. You know, there's only been a few ever, like Christy Martin. Layla Ali. Layla Ali. And Wolf. Yeah. And Wolf was good. Yeah, and Wolf. Woof. That was crack. And she was a ferocious trainer, too.

1:51:14Terence Crawford:Remember when she was training Kirkland?

1:51:15Joe Rogan:Yes. Bro. With the bag on the back of the truck. Oh, man. She would make him go through hell. But when she when he was with her, he was phenomenal when he undefeated with her I think he was undefeated with her and she wasn't with him when he fought Canelo Unfortunately a couple of fights on things. Yeah, well, I think it was too much like it was too hard Like he didn't want he want to do it She's a tough lady man. She'd put you through some fucking hell her training Like there's some videos of her putting Kirkland through training camp. It's like my god And for a woman to be able to do that, you know, it just shows you how impressive she was, how special she was.

1:51:57Terence Crawford:But his performances showed as well. Yes. You know, because she was getting in his mind as well as physical.

1:52:05Joe Rogan:Yes.

1:52:05Terence Crawford:You know, and taking everything from him and putting him in a room and not his training. It was kind of like Rocky. You know, you ain't got no TV. All you're doing is work, eat, sleep, shit, boxing. Yeah. You know?

1:52:21Joe Rogan:And it's just like, damn. I got into old boxing footage real recently over the last, like, six months. I've been watching a lot of old camps, and there's some great YouTube channels that shows Hagler's camps. And Hagler's camps were phenomenal. It was so good. Like, Hagler was rich, and he would go to Provincetown, this shitty little fucking town on the Cape. No disrespect, Provincetown. I'm just saying, and compared to where he could be. He could be in New York City. He could be anywhere he wanted. But he would go to this small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and run on the beach and live in a room with no TV, no nothing, just eat, sleep, train.

1:53:00Joe Rogan:He was sparring 100 rounds a week. I mean, it was wild. Watching him train was incredible. It was incredible. And when he would get into that ring, there was no stone unturned. No stone unturned. and it was just all discipline and drive and focus. And he was another guy that didn't get his due until he stopped, really until he stopped Hearns. That's when people really woke up. All the inside boxing people were very aware, but it took a while. It took a while before the rest of the world caught up. Because it wasn't flashy. Yeah, it wasn't flashy. Just dominate. Just break people's wills. The Mugabe fight to this day is one of my favorite fights of all time because Mugabe was putting people in the hospital.

1:53:47Joe Rogan:That was tough. Oh, my God. Mugabe hit so fucking hard. But that was the other thing about Hagler, man, had a chin from hell. You know, Hagler had extraordinary mandible muscles that, like, they did a CAT scan on him, like a scan of his head. They said the muscles on the side of his head is like he was born with headgear, or he developed it just from biting down on a mouthpiece for so long. Yeah, just, ah. But I love watching those old school training footage videos. There's some great ones of Sugar Ray Robinson running in the mountains and hitting the bag and training and all the calisthenics that he had to do.

1:54:27I think more people should see stuff like that just to appreciate the amount of discipline and work that it takes to get into peak condition for a fight.

1:54:38Joe Rogan:Because I just don't think they understand what your mind has to go through. to get up for that every day over and over and over and over and over until you're finally in the ring. Like the ring is almost the easy part. The easiest.

1:54:54Terence Crawford:It's tough. It's like, you know, when we in Colorado and we got to run the mountain, like sometimes I'd be like, man, I ain't running this mountain. Like I don't care. And then it'd be like, you're going to get your ass whooped. You better get your ass up. Or Bo will come in there and be like, let's go. I'll be like, man, Bo, let's go. Bo got this saying. Anytime I'm giving him some push, he'll be like, I'm not about to argue with you for you to be great. Let's go. I'll be like.

1:55:29Joe Rogan:That's great to have someone with you. Hey, right.

1:55:31Terence Crawford:I'll be like, here we go. He's been with you from the beginning?

1:55:34Joe Rogan:From the start. That's so big, too.

1:55:36Terence Crawford:And it's crazy because the days that I don't want to do nothing is the craziest days that I do the best, you know?

1:55:45Joe Rogan:Because you conquered that inner bitch, that thing inside you that wants to not do it.

1:55:51Terence Crawford:Yeah, Stephen would say, I'm the fucking man. Yeah, Stephen would be like, he was like, when you don't want to do something, it's like you're trying to hurry up and get it over with, so you're trying to do it fast. So, like, my best times is when I don't want to do it. Like, my best sparring is when I don't want to spar Because it's like I'm like I'm gonna fuck you up cuz I ain't about to play with trying about to go in here Doing all this extra shit, you know, I don't want to get hit. Yeah, so it's like your best Days is when you don't want to do it. Yeah, you know, that's when I perform the best in the inner in the gym and stuff like that So yeah, man a lot of a lot of young fighters when they come and see my training they see what I go through Three times a day.

1:56:35Terence Crawford:So it's eat sleep shit work. They're like, man, you train too hard. I'm like, ain't no such thing. Tim Bradley told me, hey, man, you got to rest. You got to chill out. Andre Ward, man, you got to rest.

1:56:56Terence Crawford:These last two training camps, I took on their advice and took it just a day off, like in a week, like every week. Instead of training seven days a week, I take one day off just not doing nothing, and it helped me tremendously on my recovery. Really? Because I used to just do active rest on Sunday. We would do the incline. We would just do the incline, that's it, in the morning, early in the morning, and then we'd have the whole day to recover. But he's like, no, you got to just take the whole day off not doing nothing and just recover. And as you get, as I got older, you know, my last two training camps, I took that advice and it's just like, man, I'm like, man, I could have did this years ago.

1:57:48Terence Crawford:I was just so like locked in. Like, if I take a day off, they going to have a day up on me. Right. You know, and I was just like, I can't do that. I was working.

1:58:00Joe Rogan:Well, it's a fine line where there's a point of diminishing returns, where you put in too much work. Like seeing a guy fight when he's over-trained is one of the saddest things ever. It's like his drive actually fucked him.

1:58:14Terence Crawford:Yeah.

1:58:14Joe Rogan:I've seen it before. In MMA it happens all the time. Especially guys who don't use heart rate monitors, don't monitor their resting heart rate when they get up in the morning.

1:58:23Terence Crawford:I used that in my last two camps. And that was the only two camps you did then? My last two camps.

1:58:28Joe Rogan:Wow, interesting, interesting.

1:58:31Terence Crawford:So, like, everything was... I'm a visual with my coaches because they've been with me so long. Right. So they know when to pull back. Right. Like some days they'll be like, all right, you know.

1:58:43Joe Rogan:You're peaking.

1:58:44Terence Crawford:You did four rounds. Nah, we done. Like, man, I got eight rounds today. Ah, you good. Be like, what? You good. Don't worry about it. We'll come back tomorrow. You know, and I'll be like, all right. You know, I will never question them. Right. You know, or we come in there and they'll be like, all right, today we're just going to shadowbox and we're going to hit the mitts.

1:59:03Joe Rogan:but I never questioned them but they already knew right by watching me you know along the weeks to pull me back when to pull me back then it started getting you know to me and I'm like oh okay so now

1:59:16Terence Crawford:I know with it like they not gonna let me over train because they know I'm gonna give it my all every time I train anything I do so they just pull me back like all right well we gonna just do yoga today and we gonna do boxing work we ain't gonna do no you know strength and conditioning or we're not going to do no road work or we're just going to swim. Instead of running, we're going to swim. So some days they're flip-flop.

1:59:43Joe Rogan:That's the beauty of having a really good trainer.

1:59:45Terence Crawford:Yeah, for sure.

1:59:46Joe Rogan:And someone who's really paying attention to you and knows you, like knows the signs, knows when you're a little sluggish, knows when you're peaking a little early. Yeah.

1:59:57Terence Crawford:To pull you back, yeah.

1:59:58Joe Rogan:And anybody say that you train too hard, it's like, compared to who? compared to who you know like it's whether or not you've built your body up to the point where you're doing that for so many years that your body's conditioned to go that hard you know because there's people that used to say that if you run a marathon like you need like six months off i had a friend it was my friend cameron haynes he runs ultra marathons when he was training for a 250 mile run he was running a marathon every day every day most people the conventional wisdom was you can't do that yeah you can yeah you just gotta get up to that so if a fighter is slacking off in between camps and getting fat and drinking and fucking off and then they get back into camp

2:00:40Terence Crawford:yeah you can't do three hard a day like that yeah but if you're already in shape and you're already

2:00:45Joe Rogan:conditioned and you have built up this base of years and years of doing this your conditioning would be so much better one of the things that i notice in young fighters in particular especially in MMA is how tired they get in a three-round fight. Just a three-round MMA fight, how tired they get. And I'm sure they train hard, but they don't train as hard as these guys who don't get tired in a five-round fight. So what is the difference? Well, it's the years and years of building up that cardio base, not fucking up your body, not partying.

2:01:17Terence Crawford:Knowing how to breathe. Uh-huh. That's the most important.

2:01:21Joe Rogan:Yeah. Yeah, because when I, my first time at the UFC, when I did strength and condition, you know, I was like, man, I'm not getting nothing out of it.

2:01:33Terence Crawford:It's easy. And it was like, well, it's not meant to break you or kill you. You're going to see the difference. And I'm just like, man, when I'm doing UFC back at home, like, I'm sore. Like, I'm not sore, you know, the next day when I'm doing strength and conditioning here. But, like, gradually you start seeing the results.

2:01:59Joe Rogan:Right.

2:02:00Terence Crawford:You know, and it's like, damn, you know. And it's a science behind it. Yes. You know, and I was just like, in my mind, I'm like, man, I'm not working hard enough because I'm used to working hard. And I'm going home and I'm like, oh, that was a good workout. I feel it. And, like, psychologically, I'm like, I don't feel like I did nothing, you know, because my body is in so in shape. You know, I'm like, man, I need to do more. And they're like, you're good. You did a lot today. You know, I'm like, all right. So, like, gradually I'm starting to see the effects. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm like, oh, okay.

2:02:37Terence Crawford:So maybe he was working me out too hard. You know, I'm getting stronger and everything. I'm just like, okay. You know, it's all a science.

2:02:46Joe Rogan:It really is a science. And, you know, the problem with fighters is, especially elite fighters, is they're so driven. You know, and sometimes you can't let the dragon off the chain. You know, like, slow down.

2:03:00Terence Crawford:Yeah, slow down.

2:03:00Joe Rogan:We've got to do this. We've got to progress. Yes. Progress over time and get to that perfect point the week before the fight where you just settle in and then fight time.

2:03:11Terence Crawford:That's my guy, Gavin. Gavin just like, oh, don't worry. Steps.

2:03:18Joe Rogan:That's the beautiful thing about having someone that you can trust that really knows what they're doing. And, you know, there's a lot of young fighters that are just all gas, no brakes, and they might be costing themselves a little bit. But then there's a lot of lazy fighters like, yeah, I don't want to overtrain. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, you're under training. That's why you get tired all the time. You're not in good enough shape to be doing the proper workout that you need to do to really prepare for a fight. Yeah. it's just this fucking dance man it takes forever to learn it takes forever you know that's why like a lot of fighters they reach their prime when they get into their 30s because they get it all dialed in they know what they need they know what they need to do they know what a camp

2:03:57Terence Crawford:really feels like they prepare for it being there the experience yeah you know so yeah they definitely know their body they know when they're in shape when they out of shape what they need when they need a little more experience is the best teacher i would say well experience and then listening to

2:04:20Joe Rogan:people like you that's a big factor listening to people that have done it all and you know and that wisdom the just the things that you've said on this podcast today i guarantee you right now there There are hundreds of thousands of fucking future fighters that are listening to this right now and that are probably, like, taking it all in. Okay, because, you know, in the early days, you don't know what the fuck to do. You don't know what. What's the right approach? Is his approach? Is his approach? Like, what's the right mentality? What's the right mindset? Who are the right coaches? Which is a big factor.

2:04:55Joe Rogan:You get a bad coach and get stuck with a bad coach, and it'll limit your development.

2:05:01Terence Crawford:Yeah, for sure. for sure and that that goes back to styles when i said i was trying to coach everybody to the same style when everybody ain't meant to be trained the same everybody don't have the same you know mental capacity to process things the same way some people process things different that's kind of like yelling at a fighter you know that that motivated me sometimes that break Like fighters, they like, ha-ha, I'm getting out of that. I'm doing something wrong. And, you know, so we look at them like, man, toughen up, you know. But nowadays it's different. Like everything don't flock the same with one fighter like a dude.

2:05:47Joe Rogan:No, you got to figure out what gets your fighter going. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another interesting dance. I don't envy those people because your livelihood depends upon another person performing, which is kind of crazy. It's a crazy way to live your life.

2:06:04Terence Crawford:That's any sports. Yep. Like I always say, sometimes I blame the coaches. But for the most part, the players and the fighters and the athletes, they got to go out there and perform. I can tell you go out there and do this. But if you don't go do it, then that's on you. Right. Now, coaches, they can get outcoached. They can call the wrong plays at the wrong times. Different like that. But all in all, if he go out there and miss a tackle, if he go out there and not catch the ball, why am I getting fired? They're going to blame me. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. Hey, I can't make him hit the three.

2:06:44Terence Crawford:I can't make him D up. So I'm getting fired because they not performing.

2:06:50Joe Rogan:you're also getting fired by people that don't totally understand all the subtle nuances of what you do if you're a coach yeah like if they're not a coach how could you really understand if you're not day in day out with these athletes in their head working with them seeing what they're doing improving upon their strengths strengthening their weaknesses if you're if you're not doing that you just are seeing results that's all you say you're judging based on results and you don't really know who's a good coach and who's not. Because if you're a good coach, you got shit athletes. Yeah. You can only go so far.

2:07:25Terence Crawford:That's it. And it's tough. Yeah. It's tough to, you know, go across the middle and try to catch a bullet when you know the safety about to come in later, the crazy slap on you. Yep. You know, and it's crazy to go up, you know, on a seven-footer trying to shoot a three. Right. It's hard at a professional level to do what these athletes is doing, but they're making it seem like it's easy on the outside for us. And we're like, man, you didn't catch the ball. It's like, man, you try to catch that ball with three people, you know what I mean, on you, you know, coming full speed, and you got to worry about getting your feet inbounds and things like that.

2:08:08Terence Crawford:It's so much. Well, it's like T.F.E. Mo's corner during the secure fight. You got to hit him. You got to hit him.

2:08:13Joe Rogan:Like, what do you think I'm trying to do?

2:08:16Terence Crawford:Tell me how to hit him. Tell me how to set up to him. Don't just tell me you got to hit him. Yeah. And that goes into saying that everybody shouldn't be a coach. Right. You know, because now you're not giving me no instructions. You're going off of emotions. Right. And you're just telling me, hey, you got to hit him. You're not hitting him. What are you doing?

2:08:40Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:08:40Terence Crawford:Now, what if T.O. would have said, what is you doing? Because you're not telling me nothing. You see me trying to hit him, but he's moving. You know? Like, what am I supposed to do? I'm swinging and I'm missing. Right. So tell me how to set it up to him.

2:08:55Joe Rogan:But there's really nothing anybody could have told him.

2:08:58Terence Crawford:Yeah.

2:08:59Joe Rogan:The gap was just too wide at that point.

2:09:02Terence Crawford:Right.

2:09:02Joe Rogan:Yeah. They should have studied more in training. But even then, it's like the problem is years. It's years of advancement. It's years of intelligent boxing. It's years of setups. It's years of skills.

2:09:17Terence Crawford:I think when a fighter have a good coach that's knowledgeable and they believe in a coach and a coach asks them to do something and they believe that that's going to work, they'll try it. You know, if your coach tell you, all right, listen, he's stepping back every time you step in. So that means for every time he stepped back, you got to step in twice and double the jab and close the distance and let your hands go when you get in range. And that fighter go out there and do what the coach asked him to do and he's successful, then that's a different ballgame.

2:09:54Joe Rogan:That's a different ballgame.

2:09:55Terence Crawford:Because now you're listening to your coach, but your coach is seeing what the other fighter is doing that's making him be more successful.

2:10:03Joe Rogan:Technical instruction.

2:10:04Terence Crawford:There you go.

2:10:04Joe Rogan:Yeah.

2:10:05Terence Crawford:You can't just go out there and hit him. That's crazy. Tell me how to do it.

2:10:09Joe Rogan:I hear that shit in the corner. I'm like, good Lord, what are you saying? You hear it in MMA all the time. You got to put it on him. Oh, oh, I didn't know. Oh, I got to put it on him. All this time I was hoping it would just happen. Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, man, congratulations on everything. You had a fantastic, spectacular, like one of a generation career. So it's beautiful to watch. And as a fan, I'm honored that you came in here. And I think what you've done is just fucking incredible. So congratulations on everything. And enjoy it. Enjoy all the rest of your life because you earned it all.

2:10:50Joe Rogan:Definitely. Thank you very much. All right. Bye, everybody.

2:11:06Thank you.