JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

25:46yeah I love how methodical he's working his way into this dangerous man oh my god he was gonna step in there that arm is the only thing and he's just about to beat that arm And not only that, from here he could just start beating him up with the right hand, which he'll probably start doing. So if the referee really stands him up from this position, like this is a crazy way to separate people. This is bad, man. This is like, for Kamaru, this is super dangerous. He's still got half the round left. He's hanging on to that whizzer for dear life is the only thing to keep him from getting this guy on your neck.

26:22And that whizzer is like at 40 % power now because look how far back it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not much into that. There's not much. It's hard. It's hard to generate power like that. I mean, he's got full double underhooks. How do they break this up? How do you break this up? This is crazy to break up. This is such a dangerous position. Oh, this is bad. I don't recognize the ref. Yeah, I recognize. I'm not going to say his name. There's no need to. But this is a giant mistake. You're clear, Herb. Sometimes. I'm just letting Herb know it's all right. Sometimes. In fights, man, these guys listen to the crowd.

27:02Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's kind of hard not to, right? And they feel responsible. Yeah, they do. And in the organization, I'm sure they feel pressure because the organization wants, like, fast action fights. But there's certain situations where you've got to just accept the fact that sometimes this sport is not the most exciting for moments. Because it's so exciting in other spots. Punching his ass. Oh, that's crazy. Right there. Right after he punched him in the ass. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. Oh, man. That's the worst fuck over that anybody's ever gotten in the UFC. I mean. I think that's the worst.

27:35Yeah, that was bad. There is the time that fucking Bustamante had to get two in two submissions. That's right. That's a pretty big fuck. That's who Meyer reminds me of. His striking wasn't as good as Murillo's, but the combination of wrestling and his jiu-jitsu, like once he got a hold of you, he was probably going to put you out. Yeah, Murillo was so good. He's still coming around. He's got a fighter in the UFC now. Does he? That's awesome. I saw him when I first started jiu-jitsu at Carlson Gracie's place. Did you? Yeah, the very first year that I started jiu-jitsu, it was like him, Vitor was there, Sergio Cohen, Mario Sperry.

28:12It was crazy. They had a ridiculous room back then. I just lucked out and wound up watching these guys train when Vitor was about to make his UFC debut. I was just starting out. I was like, this is amazing. Seen all them guys in there? Dude, they were all in there, man. And you could just come in off the street and see the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world training. That's crazy. It was crazy. And they were all fighting in – there was the other guy – what's his name? Carlos – fuck. Baheto? Baheto. That's right. Carlos Baheto. He was there too. There was a bunch of those Carlson Gracie team guys there.

28:45We just got lucky that this was the place that was – Yeah, man. And Ramblman's built like a He-Man figure. Carlson had some savages, man. He really had a great team. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty. Laborio back then. Oh, that's who I got my black belt from. Laborio. Hell yeah. He's a nice guy. Another guy to be proud of. He is a good guy. Such a nice guy. Yeah. It's like, it's kind of amazing when you realize that before 1993, jujitsu had no schools. Right? And now they're everywhere. Every corner. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. Eight ground controls. That's truly insane. The Gracie family, the world owes them.

29:26Yeah. No, there's no doubt about it. The world owes them. The world, the whole world. The world is impacted. Think of the world. The world. The whole world. Yeah, everybody. Because I think liking MMA has impacted culture, and then people training, much more people training in jiu-jitsu has impacted culture. Hell yeah. Where the fuck would we be? The UFC's here because of the Gracie's as well. I mean, obviously the fatigue isn't Dana, but whose idea was it? Yeah, but Horian started the whole thing. He wanted to have a crocodile mode around it. It's amazing. I remember hearing about it in 1992 with Horian and Hoist, the seminar I went to, and they were talking about that.

30:09They were talking about the different ideas, what they were going to do. And even though I didn't think they were full of shit, I thought it was never going to happen. I'm like, what is this, Bloodsport? I go, on TV, they're going to be fighting. It sounded ridiculous, but now everybody's so used to it. It sounds ridiculous that it sounds ridiculous When I first found out about it I didn't watch it until it was UFC 2 cuz I will only watch some videotape like someone from the gym told me about it And I went and watched it. I got the videotape like Hollywood video Brought it home and I was like, oh my god.

30:40They did it. They did. That's what I did So do you like oh, Dave? I saw no They did the thing that we always wanted. Oh, so when I was when I first started Versus style. Yeah. I first started taking karate, and I thought karate was good until I stumbled into this really good taekwondo school. And I was like, oh, taekwondo's a shit. And then I started boxing. I'm like, oh, my God, I can't box. And then I started kickboxing. I'm like, oh, my God, you kick my legs? I didn't know you can kick my legs. I'm like, this is terrible. And then I started doing jujitsu. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm helpless.

31:06So it's like all these steps along the way. I was like, it wouldn't have been nice if we knew what style was real. And this is what Bruce Lee tried. Right. Bro, when I was starting out in, like, 88 doing taekwondo, nobody knew nothing. Nobody knew what worked. Everybody just like saw that guy beats people in that thing and that guy be I wonder what happened They thought no one knew right I saw a UFC 2. And they thought wrestling was worthless Grappling arts were worthless. Yeah, but luckily I learned it was not worthless in high school when I got my ass kicked Me too, man. Practicing on a fucking wooden dummy to change One-inch punch my ass That's all I know And every time I get to a real scrap, I'd go back to my season of eighth grade wrestling That's the case, but I also think that Wing Chun would work if you knew all the other, like Anderson Silva can use Wing Chun.

31:55Right. You know what I'm saying? A lot of hand trapping. Yeah, there's hand trapping and elbows from him. There's stuff that does work if you know all the other shit. It's an added element. Right. It's like there's moves that you could do that your opponent's not going to, your opponent is used to this, right? They're used to punches, like regular punches. Every now and then, weird shit can work because they don't see it coming, and then it opens up other big shots. And Wing Chun can, those guys, when you watch the really good ones, like whack at each other's arms and shit, you're like, okay, there's like a little value in this.

32:27There's a little value in getting good at this. As long as you know how to actually punch. Yeah, I don't dismiss nothing because anything can work in the right context. It's just not going to work on Terrence Crawford. Yeah, not a boxing match against Terrence Crawford. It's not going to work. You come out here like this. What is working against him anyway? Not much. No one has figured that out. Not much. No one has figured that out yet. Not much. Listen, you can have fun with it, but as far as value, I'd say very little value. Very little. It's only valuable if you're already doing the other stuff.

32:59Yeah, if you're going to do that, you might as well be doing Muay Thai, Western boxing, or Jiu-Jitsu. No, no, for sure. By itself, useless. But what I think is if you already are doing other stuff and you could train with a guy who can show you some of it I think you would be like oh I see value in this like do you remember when Dan Henderson was fighting Hector Lombard and he hit him with like a back elbow right yeah It was like a back forearm it was an elbow or four it was an elbow. Yeah, I think you like throw punching Sometimes people do standing back fists sometimes and they work there's some shit that we're missing.

33:35And I think Wing Chun is a part of it. Yeah, I agree with that. Especially when you're in close, in clenching positions. Yeah, that's what I think. You're just trapping hands. Bam, bam. You know what I think is the number one thing that people should be doing? The number one thing that people should be doing is point fighting karate. You want to add something? I mean, obviously not number one over wrestling and all that, but the number one thing to add? Don't add Wing Chun. Add point fighting karate. But it's such a physical thing that a lot of people probably can't do, especially if you come from a wrestling background where you're so used to being heavy and square.

34:12To be able to turn sideways and jump in and out like that. But if you can do it, that advantage is so huge. When you watch MVP when he's in his fucking prime. That's so funny. Here it is. The Shara Bullet. Yeah, but the thing about the back elbow. Crazy. What a beautiful elbow. From a wrestling position. Yeah. Let me see that again. How did he land it? So yeah, he had his leg look at that. He's holding his leg And he catch it look at the fucking elbow. Oh, right Fantastic what a fucking elbow. That's one of the greatest elbows of all time Underappreciated elbow right there To get a knockout elbow while you're hopping on one leg.

34:53Yeah, that's crazy fighting off the takedown. Yeah Nasty nasty wasn't Wing Chun But what I was getting to is these guys, like MVP, that advantage is so huge. The advantage of being Wonderboy in his prime, bro, that advantage is so nuts. So I watch videos of people doing it online. I'm like, if you could do that in an MMA fight, no one will catch you. You'll be in and out before they catch you. You know what's the closest to it? Cyril Ghosn. It's true. Cyril Ghosn is not a point-fighting karate guy. He's a Muay Thai, but he's a basketball player. And we were talking about this the other day. Like what better sport to develop plyometrics and the ability to change direction than basketball?

35:33You're constantly changing direction and they're big men. Then why can't basketball players fight? They're the worst fighters on the planet. Because they don't train. That's true. It's just because they don't train. But Cyril Ghosn, you look at the way he moves. Like he moves like a basketball player can move. But he's 250 pounds and he's a heavyweight. And he can fucking strike. I remember I used to train Walt Harris, who was a pretty good basketball player. And I used to always try to tell him, man, it's the same thing. Your pivots are the same. You got to be able to move, change directions.

36:00It's the same thing. But as a heavyweight, it also comes with being lazy. Those guys are just lazy. Well, it's harder to do. Hey, fuck you, Dean.

36:11It's harder to move all that weight, right? It's hard to get a 248-pound guy to move like Cyril Ghosn. There's not a whole lot of them. We were just talking about it the other day. I think it's an underappreciated thing because we're used to lighter weight fighters moving like that. But I'm like, name one. Name one guy at heavyweight who moves like that. You know who used to? You know who used to? Was the dark horse of the heavyweight division? Travis fucking Brown. When Travis Brown was in his prime, he was a bad motherfucker, dude. And he moved light. He was a big, tall dude, and he moved light.

36:43And Orlovsky used to. Yeah, Orlovsky did too. He had some wars, and they'd take their toll on you. But if you go back to Travis Brown in his heyday, when he was knocking people out with those elbows from the clinch, And the way he would move, like he would move like super light on his feet, like bouncing around. And I think it was because he played basketball. It's got to be it. 100 % it makes sense. Because I know Travis played basketball. Yeah. You know, when you get a big athlete that's light on their feet, that's a giant advantage. Yeah, it is. Because you only need one entrance that you didn't anticipate when you get popped.

37:19And now you're compromised. And getting that first step and being able to get a clean shot. Dude those karate point I've only fought a couple of karate point fights when I was a kid when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments we enter into him and I thought this one guy that was like his name was Mafia Holloway He was like a champion. I couldn't even touch him. I couldn't even get close to his first name was Mafia? Mafia Holloway. It was a very famous I don't know if it was a real name, but that's what his name was back in the day. He was like a well-known black belt point fighting champion I couldn't even touch him.

37:49I was like Jesus. We're playing totally different games I'm playing a continuous fighting game which where you're you know your fight in Taekwondo for a certain amount of minutes And he's playing this thing where you stop every time they hit you and so you can't hit him and he keeps hitting you Yeah, and it's just stop stop stop stop Frustrating but I remember leaving going oh, I need to learn that like that's crazy I didn't know you could move that quick and just jump out of there the way he's doing it I'm like and you think about like these guys that fight him like Kevin Holland that fight MVP yeah after a while They're like what the fuck is this?

38:22Yeah for real. He was in his corner saying that. Like I can't hit him. He's quicker than I thought. What am I doing here? This is nuts. You just can't do anything to him and he's styling on you. Yeah that's why when I trained Tyron to fight Stephen Thompson, Wonderboy. So I knew the mistake that everybody was making. They were using just regular tall kickboxers. I went to karate schools. And we got just karate kids that did that for him to spar with. And I was like don't worry about takedowns. We don't even need to get there Just be able to deal with this movement and his length and being able to deal with that because it's different Oh shit, yeah, it's got a crazy kick here.

39:05Dude was very good. There is he was very good He didn't get me with that He got me with a couple of sidekicks to the body though tell you that I was very impressed I was impressed by the speed in which he was able to like move forward and back because the that darting in and just tagging each other Speed is a totally different speed they're like continuous fighting speed because continuous fighting speed You would assume that if the guy's hitting you that you're gonna counter and you're gonna exchange And what these guys are used to is you never exchange they just pop you they pop you and they get the fuck out of there And that's that's that's an asset in MMA giant ass you just knock somebody out It's a giant asset.

39:44It's a giant asset also. If you try to play their game, you should just try to play their game just to realize how hard it is. And you're like, oh, this is a different thing. This is all about the blitz. It's all about the entry. They switch stances at will, too. At will. Yeah. At will. But I think all the good guys do now. I think that's going to be a prerequisite. There's too many calf kickers out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to be able to switch. Do you guys watch one? You watch kickboxing in one? Did you see Jonathan Haggerty and Yuki Yosa? It wasn't good for Haggerty was it? No he won he figured him out Haggerty was He's the guy to beat that dude that was wrecking everybody He's an elbow guy Well he's just a full on Muay Thai guy but he beat him by continuous movement and switching stances Oh right I think I sent the video on our group I did see that It's a video on a really technical fight Like if you really like striking it's a really technical fight He did an amazing job of just constantly giving him different looks and switching stances and moving and then catching him in Exchanges and dude it was fucking beautiful because he was a crushes everybody's legs It was really sweet just kept switching stances kept switching stances And he did a lot of great boxing from the outside too.

41:00Yeah, it was just this but he never gave him the same look Oh, see that like that And then knees to the body a lot of knees to the body. It was beautiful brilliant fight. I I was just chatting with him on Instagram. I'm going to try to get him on. Nice. Bring him to America. Like, this is what Zufa should be promoting. You know, I mean, I know they love boxing. That's awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But, you know, this is it. Yeah. If you want another thing that's really exciting, it's striking. Just have only Muay Thai. I'm just surprised they haven't done that. It doesn't make any sense.

41:33It really doesn't. Because that's what everybody likes to watch anyway, really. That's what everybody likes to do. Dana said to me, I don't know if he changed his opinion, but he said to me that people don't like kickboxing because they think of like pka karate from espn from like the 1980s i'm like that's old people young people love martial arts like young people love knockouts young people boo when fights go to the ground they do mma is the best no doubt about it it's the greatest sport of all times the champion of sports however if you're gonna have some value in another combat Sport it's Muay Thai.

42:09It's the most exciting shit. You could do the most options you can need they could throw each other They do all kinds of wild kicking you think Rico Verhoeven's boxing success will bring some eyes to kickboxing. I hope so. I'm having him on too. I hope so That was a great result. He's really phenomenal. I mean dude for ten rounds He really he was into the point where if you if you're good judges if the judges are real he Usik needs a knockout twin. A thousand percent. Which is crazy. I thought he was up by eight, like eight to one or two at the time. I thought the same. A lot of people thought the same.

42:45I mean, he was, he was bullying him around. Yeah. He used his weight well. He shit all. His cardio is incredible. He joked on himself and it was phenomenal. Because he put my style against Usik and it was Jim Carrey and it fucking, what's the one where, you know, he comes boxing at the guys. It often looked like it too. It was fucking phenomenal. But, man, he really did amazing. I personally think if they rematch that now Usyk will kind of figure him out, so maybe it'll get him faster. Look, I hope not because I was rooting for Rico. If they rematch, Rico was going to know that he can do that.

43:21Before that fight, he didn't know he could do that. And Usyk didn't know he could do that. And the difference is Usyk is not a real heavyweight. He's the greatest heavyweight of all time, which is crazy. But he's not a real heavyweight. You can't see the great, like Tyson in my opinion is always going to be my favorite in his prime. He was just so insane. It was so insane to watch him just demolish the whole division. But then you look at Cassius Clay and then when he was Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes doesn't get his due and Lennox Lewis was a fucking beast. So maybe, you know, who knows who would have fought.

43:51But that guy stylistically is like the greatest heavyweight ever. Like watching him move. Yeah, like skill for skill. You're watching an artist. Yeah. It's like the way he put it on Dubois. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's incredible. But he's still really a 220-pound guy. Yeah. You know? Like, he puts on some extra weight. He was a little thicker for that fight. But, you know, Rico's huge. He's a giant. Rico's a giant guy from the Netherlands. Is that where he's from? That's a real heavyweight man. Yeah, another Dutch kickboxer. They're all giants. They're all tough as shit, too. What is he, like 6 '5", 270?

44:31He's huge. He's got crazy cardio, too, for a big, giant guy. Dude, he was bouncing on. I mean, he was, for 10 rounds, he kept that pace. That's a heavyweight, keeping that pace. And then once he slowed, you know, that's when Usyk was able to find him. Did you watch it, Matt? I can't watch. I have a hard time watching anything but fucking mixed martial arts. I love jujitsu. And Star Wars. I love jujitsu. Yeah, well, you know, Star Wars. I saw the new He-Man movie by the way how was it? it was fucking good the Masters of the Universe was good I was worried because I'm thinking all the new reboots and this and that I go is it going to be too woke is it going to be this it was fucking fun it had a Thor Ragnarok type feel where it's just kind of fun and a little goofy but not to the point where it's just takes you out of it you know what it is I grew up with that He-Man that was my year I was a kid around our age, right?

45:29Yeah, right. So it did justice to that. It made it fun. I heard Skeletor was awesome. Yeah, Jared Leto. I heard there was some sort of crazy, he wasn't allowed to do interviews, wasn't allowed to talk to the rest of the cast. Why? Because they were worried he was going to do nutty shit. In The Joker, he was sending people dead rats in the mail. Oh, really? Yeah, because he was in character. That's wild. So they're like, yeah, you're going to be an evil fucking Skeletor guy? No. No, we can't let you be in character. We can't contact the rest of the crew. I don't know if that's true. That's what I heard.

46:05But it was fun. See if that's true. No, I heard that, too. I heard Will Smith said something about that. Yeah, I thought somebody said that. I know he definitely did that with the Joker. He sent them like a rat or something when he was the Joker, yeah. Yeah. He said, I know you're playing the Joker, but come on with the rats. Yeah, yeah, you would chill out. There's some dudes that play the Joker and you're like, all right, it's over. When Heath Ledger played the Joker, everybody stop. That's the Joker. You can't come back after that. Until Joaquin. Joaquin Phoenix. Boy, he's a great guy. I saw that.

46:34I was like, okay, now that's the Joker. Then you saw the sequel and you said, fuck that, bring back Heath Ledger. I didn't see the sequel. Tim Dillon told me it was the worst movie that's ever been made. Everybody said that. I didn't see it neither. I didn't watch it. If I was guessing, he probably didn't want to do it. I don't know what they were thinking. I bet it was like a dispute between the movie company and the dude who directed it. Why would you do that? Unless you're trying to mock it or you're trying to defuse it. Maybe the government was like, hey, after you released that movie, we had the BLM riots and everybody was lighting L.A.

47:11on fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie where you're encouraging people to light cities on fire. Maybe make a musical. So crazy. He's trying to diffuse the Joker movement with a musical. It's funny how the first, I never seen a, I mean, sequels aren't normally as good as the original, but holy fuck. I never seen something so bad. I didn't make it through it. I saw some of it, and then I'm like, once I started singing, I'm like, I'm out of this motherfucker. It's very rare where a sequel, you're like, damn, that's just as good. Well, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back. Those are a couple. Those are a couple.

47:48Rocky 2. You didn't like Rocky 2? John Wick, too, is pretty fucking good. Why did he take her to the zoo in the beginning? I never get over that. I like the zoo. Go stare at the giraffe. The whole joke was that mean bodyguard saying take her to the zoo. The retards like the zoo. And then he takes her to the fucking zoo to propose to her. Is that not crazy? Yeah, that is. Bro, that's how people were in the 70s. They were animals. But he's basically You're saying that, right? You're right. People are animals before the internet. Man, are you still doing movie reviews on your channel? Oh, you're trying to plug my channel?

48:28No, well, I'm saying that. Give me something. I love it. No, no, no. You want to talk about the Matt Serra channel on you? No, because like when... Good job, Dean. Hey, you know what I'm watching on there? I do. I do series reactions or movies reactions. Are you watching the new House of Dragons? No. I haven't saw it yet. There's too many things to watch. Let me tell you something. I'm fucked. I'm in the middle of from. I want to talk to you about that, too. My wife's made it from... Don't tell me why. It might be ahead of me. I'm on season four, episode five, I think. How many seasons is it? Five?

49:01There's only four. And then the fifth one is the final season. It doesn't come out until 2027, so don't tell me. All right, all right. Hey, House of Dragon. Now, look, I love Game of Thrones. The Night of the Seven Kingdoms was phenomenal. And House of Dragon, out of all of them, is the one I like the least because it's a lot of just gloom and doom. All the characters are pricks. They're all a bunch of fucking wacky-toggerians. Yeah, there's no one to like. Exactly. No one's noble. But this one, this third season, is fucking... I watch... Yeah, I do the reactions on my channel. Thanks, Dean. What is the channel?

49:33The Matt Serra channel on YouTube. Oh, look at this. Oh, it's... He's contemplating. Oh, that's me! It's like he's contemplating House of the Dragons. No, no, know what this is? Do you ever see Mystery Science Theater? This is like my mystery song. Yeah, well, they show the back of their heads. The fact that you're the former UFC welterweight champion of the world. Doing this? And you're sitting there with the headphones on. This is great. This is what I think about House of Dragons. You made me sound. He didn't have to do that. That's 200 milligrams of edibles right there. It's 55 milligrams.

50:09You know what scene I really love? When they were trying to find Targaryens, because the Targaryens had a bunch of bastard children. trying to see who's a Targaryen, so they put people out with the dragons. Oh, that was burning them up. The prior seasons had some good scenes like that. Yeah. But this season, I just watched three of them so far. I'll get in on it. Each one of them is, it's nothing but fighting now. It's nothing about going at it. Let's go. And it's fucking good. Yeah, it's good. I'm in. I watched the whole season, all the episodes of Game of Thrones recently. You went back and started again?

50:41Went back, yeah. We watched it for like four or five months. watching every one of them. And when you watch it like every couple nights a week, like two, three nights a week when you're watching it, it's like you just like, you follow, you don't have to wait like years in between seasons. It's incredible. It's better that way. It's the greatest epic adventure show in the history of the world. I tell people that all the time. I'm like, you gotta watch it. It's so good, dude. For sure. I forgot how good it was. And even though it's 10 years old, special effects are perfect. Yeah, for sure. I'm gonna say something I never said in my life.

51:12There's a new book I'm reading. what hey guys hold on wait a minute wait a minute is it audible is it a graphic novel son of a bitch no it's not it is and alright I gotta be honest I'm listening to the audio book oh okay I hate when people say they're reading a book when they really listen to the audio book bro Donnell Rollins gave me so much shit about that because it's not true he's like how you reading when you just listen well that's what I'm doing I'm just trying to abbreviate it yes I listen to an audio book sorry Red Rising. Red Rising. Have you ever heard of this? No. Well, you're going to document this episode because sooner or later someone's going to pick it up and it's going to become either an Amazon series or a movie.

51:56One of my black belts, Jedi Joey Beans, told me about this ages ago. What a great name. Jedi Joey Beans? Jedi Joey Beans. Oh, Joey Beans is a savage. Jedi Joey Beans is a fucking great name. He's great. But he likes all the shit I'm into, so he told me about this. I'm going to write it down. What is it called again? Red Rising. All right. That's it. And I'll tell you, I don't know how many books there are, but I'm listening to the first one and I'm like more than halfway through. And it's - What's it about? Setting future on Mars. Whoa. Red Rising is a 2014 dystopian - Dystopian. How do you pronounce that?

52:36Dystopian. Science fiction novel. You guys are a bunch of fucking boys, first of all. You guys are a bunch of fucking... This is why I got him on the floor. My short friend is telling us he's reading. My short friend took the short bus. In the first book. Telling us he's reading and dystopian comes out. Somebody else read it. Bunch of pricks. Hey, listen to me. This is a great book. This is a great book. And I like getting into something new. Well, how long is the book? Matt, that's regular coffee. This is a coffee. If you want coffee coffee. You know what? Unless you want a little baby. I was trying to figure out what you're going to do with that.

53:14I didn't know what I was doing. I'm a caffeine freak. I'm down for that. I'm down for that. Yeah, the Red Rising, man, that was really good. Pass me that coffee, man. It's like Game of Thrones in space. Ooh, I'm in. I'm in. Oh, you know what I started watching? Because of you guys. That Battlestar Galactica. Yes! Fucking great! I'm only on the first season. There's like 20 episodes a season. I'm like 10 in right now. Yeah, that was the sci-fi channel. Bro, that show was so underrated. So underrated. Like, to this day, if you go back and watch Battlestar Galactica, the entire series, it's fucking incredible.

53:48Very good. The new one. Not the old one. Not the one from the 70s. The original. By your command. Yeah. That's right. Here's what I'm going to recommend. You can watch it with your wife or by yourself, whatever you want to do. Porn? What's that? You're going to say porn? That's always good. I thought you were going to say porn. Or by yourself. Widow's Bay. Widow's Bay. Oh, man. What is that? Apple TV comes out with some fucking bangers. Bangers. Silo's another great one. But Widow's Bay, it's very rare. It's about an island that's kind of cursed, and a mayor's trying to get it to become like the next fucking Martha's Vineyard or whatever that is.

54:26And, you know, this is it. Oh, that guy. That guy was in The Beast Within. This is great. Bro, that guy's in another great fucking series that also might be Apple. It might be. It's very rare that something – I don't like – like my family's a bunch of ghouls, except for my oldest. They like all the horror shit. I'm not into it. But it's very rare. I like spooky shit. So it's like spooky, but it's fucking funny. It's got like a quirky type humor to it. And I was fucking dying. I was mad. The Beast in Me is another one. It was – what was it on? Netflix. It's on Netflix. It's still on Netflix. It's a series.

55:05and it's about an author and this fucking psychotic guy that is a rich guy who lives in her neighborhood. I don't want to tell you any more than that. It's a movie? Yeah, I saw that. Claire Danes and that guy, Matthew. You watch that show? I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. Is it good? Claire Danes can act her ass off. This summer, soccer is here and the watch parties will be going back to back to back. But don't worry. Uber Eats has your game day essentials covered. All the snacks and groceries. to keep your crowd happy, delivered straight to your door, like chips, dips, wings, guac, and fresh ingredients for the perfect game day spread.

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56:25She plays a doctor in the ER room. It's really good, though. Okay. there's some I'm into for a while then I just fucking fall off I've never heard of it there's too many shows yeah I did that with Landman after a while I'm just like new season of Landman's good I don't give a shit about the slutty wife and the daughters annoying me oh I love it she's my favorite she plays to strip her wife well after a while it's just like alright they get to some interesting shit with like the cartels after them and then they're oh let's take the seniors out to the strip joint it's like here we go oh the wife's being outrageous again right i mean it's not true i mean i don't got my add i can't take it that's fun now that was my problem with it too i thought that the the women were like caricatures of women yeah come on man it was too much who's cheering their daughter on basically to be a hoe yeah i was kind of like i have a question though if you guys all seen it why does the why do they live together like the uh the other lawyer and why do they all live with billy bob thornton and his family that's a plot point yeah yeah there's no other reason why yeah because there's only one house on the ranch or something oh because i'm just like they all have to live in the one house it's his office and his home basically it's like it makes it fun but isn't he making a lot of money shouldn't all of them be making a lot of money you would think his lawyer be making big bank you know well now he's got to be making money because you know he's running the company spoiler alert right so he's making more money yeah he's making sure they're eating their vegetables yeah and that bitch gets mad about it any anything it just i love billy bob though billy bob on that show is so good he makes the show he makes he is the show he is taylor said that he wouldn't even made the show if it wasn't for billy really he went to billy with the idea is i'm not gonna make this if you're not gonna be yeah he made the show i thought Andy Garcia was good in it, too.

58:18Oh, Andy Garcia. He's great in everything. You ever see Things to Do in Denver when you're dead? Hell yeah. Longo loves that lemon. Dude, that's a great movie. I hate that movie. I never made it through. Longo loves that fucking movie. I'm with you, Ray. I'm with you. That lemon. Longo loves it. Listen, in all fairness, in all honesty, I haven't seen it in decades. But when I saw it, I loved it. But the problem is sometimes you go back and you try to watch one of those movies. And you're like, whoa, what? Oh man, what was I thinking? What the fuck was wrong with me? This movie sucks. A fat one.

58:51There's a bunch of movies like that. You try to watch them. They're terrible. Yeah. Sometimes it's just better off remembering how good they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the impact. You were just a more naive person before the internet. Yeah, true. I watched one of the worst movies that was so fucking good that it was bad. It was Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy, Roddy Piper? Yes. 100 milligrams. We saw him last night too, Joey. Joey, that's right. Hell comes to Frogstown. I didn't see that. Now, it's a combination of say, like Mad Max, like a post-apocalyptic thing, and Escape from New York, where in the future, Roddy, Roddy, is the only guy who's not fucking sterile.

59:44Everybody else is sterile. So... I'm sure everybody's chasing him for it. So they have to like... It starts off when he's in like a fucking general's... He's in like a room because he got caught with the general's daughter and fucking... They put a... A jockstrap on him with explosives and he has to... He has to... He's talking to a frog? Oh yeah. His mission is to go to his frog's town and there's a harem there and he's got to impregnate everybody or else they're gonna fucking blow them up sounds like a horrible job it is crazy this movie what a silly movie oh yeah no no oh my god you can't unsee it so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out so he cut out halfway through things are doing Denver when you're dead oh I'll put this on my head but he's in for Frog Town yeah but I agree with this you know what you're getting into it's not a bunch of people pretending to be cool You know it's like this is just silly.

1:00:45How did you even find this and then sit down and watch the whole thing? This is the thing. Well, you know, it's well documented about my ass problems So sometimes I spend a lot of time on the throne and I got my iPad So I go to prime video and it's almost like when I was little like I used to go through the channels and I'm like up all night I'd find something wacky. So I look for weird or different movies and that's one of them and it just brought me right in. I watched that whole... In two shits, I watched that whole fucking movie. What was the one when he was an alien? That's a crazy amount of time to shit.

1:01:21Was it called They? Oh, I'm on the toilet a long time. That's crazy. It's crazy to shit for two hours, you're saying? A little. Well, not for two hours. The budget for this movie was double what that movie Obsession was that just came out. My wife said that movie was great. So the budget was 1.5 million back then. Yeah, in 1988. Wow. So was this a small release? Yeah, it has to be. Who made this movie? What was the company that made it? New World. That's a big company. Maybe they sold it to New World. I don't know how that shit works. Was this before or after They Live? Well, They Live was good.

1:01:56They Live ruled. That's what I'm saying. Maybe they bankrolled it. But I bet if you tried to return to Frogtown, it was released on 93. He was in that thing. Direct to VHS. Bro, before even DVD, they're like, no, fuck this. Straight to tape. Now listen, everybody, don't go watching this and cursing me. I mean, you got to know what you're getting into. It's exactly what it looks like. TV Guide only gave it two out of five stars. How dare they? DVD talk said three. But I'll tell you, he's hysterical in it. He's fucking... He's funny. I bet if we watched They Live right now, we wouldn't like it. I bet we'd be like, oh, this movie's whack.

1:02:36I don't know. It's still pretty funny if you want. Is it good? When was the last time you saw it? I mean, it's one of them movies when you're flipping around if it's on. Because him and the – what's the – his guy's name? Remember they had basically a wrestling match in the fucking alley. They were suplexing each other and everything. The black guy from the network. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's movies from like the 80s and the 90s. There it is. There's movies from the 80s and the 90s that become comedies. Yeah. This is a comedy right here. But this is kind of a comedy. This is like a little tongue-in-cheek, but then there's stuff like Roadhouse Right, right, right.

1:03:07Roadhouse is a comedy now. Right, for sure. You know, Roadhouse is such a bad movie. Yeah, yeah It's so bad. Yeah, it's so insanely bad. The bad guy's bad Everything's bad except for Patrick Swayze's hair It was appropriate at the time Everything we were we were done people were dumb back then, you know, that's what I think I I think we were dumb. Miami Vice, you know? No internet. People were stupid. It's true. You're right. We were only exposed to what we were exposed to in your area. Yeah, we thought, that's a solid movie. You should go see Roadhouse. I'll tell you what, that's a good guy. You're going to root for him.

1:03:47Yeah. He's complicated, but he's tough. He's quiet. He likes poetry. He fucks people up, and he says, pain don't hurt. I was about to say that. Pain don't hurt. The karate scenes are so bad. Everything is so bad. It's so fake. It's so dumb looking. But it's still awesome. They brought Sam Elliott in his backup. Had an 80-year-old backup. But dude, clearly could barely walk. He's like KOing guys left and right. That's it, me-ho. He's awesome in everything, though. Sam Elliott's awesome. Every time you see Sam Elliott in a movie, you're like, yes. I think the bad guys, didn't he tell Patrick, what's his name, that he used to fuck guys like him in prison?

1:04:29Yes. Sam Elliott, that's the one who played Landman's father, right? Yes. He's awesome. He's always good. Always. Always. Always. In everything. He's a real life Marlboro man. Exactly. Yeah. He's great in everything. Yeah, that movie was so bad. But the thing is, back then it wasn't. Yeah, everything in the 80s was bad. In a brow TV shows were insane you watch them you're like what were they doing? Yeah trying to brainwash America Roger Ebert's review is that this is right on the edge of a good bad movie and merely the bad It's not a good movie. Well, he's right. It's not a good movie, but viewing the right frame of mind It's not a boring one either.

1:05:07Ah, that's the thing Gene Siskel was less complimentary Calling it outrageous in terms of its cartoon like plotting and dialogue and lamenting Swayze's mindless posturing a young star has sold himself to become a pinup boy. Someone sounds a little jelly. Come on. Someone sounds a little jelly. That sounds a little jelly to me. It's called getting paid. Yeah, he made a movie and thought it was going to be better than it was. Okay, let's move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a cult classic. To this day, people are still talking about it. Bro, basically every actor that's ever lived has been in a cup of lemons.

1:05:43Of course. That's part of the process. Except maybe Daniel Day-Lewis. he's probably a little bit more maybe that Lincoln one a lot of people didn't watch that Lincoln one that might be the only one I don't know anybody who was like raves about the Lincoln movie what about the vampire hunter Abraham Lincoln did anybody see that? I never saw that it sounds like something Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is crazy that should have been made in the 80's no They should have been it should have been should have been made in the 80s. Yeah, it's like a comic book Did anybody that sounds like a Marvel comic?

1:06:19Yeah, I haven't seen it. I didn't see something I would watch It's funny was it good the It was to me. It was like a comedy thing. I might have seen it and forgotten about it. Yeah, I don't even remember I mean you get high enough when you watch the movies. They're cool But you don't really remember details all the time So yeah, you know what I'm looking forward to that a new werewolf movie. Oh Eggers got the same guy that did Nosferatu. Yes doing aware with they just released a trailer today. What's it called? Werewolf were yeah werewolf I thought it spelled weird Where's it take place? I don't know some foreign country you can hear them speaking some strange language Oh, I want to see that Yeah.

1:07:07That looks pretty wild. Robert Eggers is shit. Oh, Christmas now? How was the vampire? I thought we were Christmas. Yeah. Halloween release. How was the vampire one? Fuck yeah. It was awesome. You think I like it? Yeah. It just, I don't know. It's good, dude. It is? I think it's the best vampire movie of all time. Better than Interview with a Vampire? Yeah. Nosferatu? Yeah, I think Nosferatu is the best vampire movie of all time. That's my opinion. I think it's the best. It's like, I've seen a bunch of them. Gary Oldman one was amazing. That was a great, that Dracula one with Kendall Reeves. That was a great one.

1:07:43That's still great. But man, there's something about Edgar's Nosferatu. It's like, it's more terrifying than all of them. Like, it's just something, it's more hypnotic. Like, he's got powers over people. Like, it's weird the way he influences people. It's like, it's creepy. Yeah, like, the way that looks shot, like, I see what you're saying. Did you see the Nosferatu? No, I didn't see it. a scene where they're when he's making him sign the contract there's a scene where the dude has to go to his house and he doesn't know spoiler alert like what contract he's signing because he's signing it in a language that he doesn't know to sell a house to this prince that lives in romania and he goes to visit this guy it's the creepiest fucking scene ever and this is the first scene where you like see him and you you slowly gets revealed like what he is yeah the best vampire movie of all time.

1:08:33Really? You'll love it. It's so well done. I'm going to watch it. It's my boy. A solicitor. How careless of me, my lord.

1:08:48The language of my forefathers.

1:08:56Of course.

1:09:13he wants a look at the bride well he wants this guy's wife this is this whole contract this is what this whole thing is about of him going to this guy's town and buying a house there from him Like this, really, he just wants this guy's wife. He's like eternally connected to her. Oh. It's creepy as fuck, dude. Oh, shit. Oh, I gotta watch this. Oh. Yeah. It's good. I gotta watch this. Best vampire movie. Is it? I gotta watch this. Ever. Yeah. Some people disagree. That's fine. My opinion. You ever seen Lost Boys? That was good. That was fun, though. I remember that. I bet if you watched it today, you'd be like, what?

1:09:52Yeah, you'd be like, yo, this is corny as shit. John Rollo with long hair I still believe with the fucking with the sacrophone I was is that you Rollo with the fucking wig Lost Boys there's a Broadway show for it now Lost Boys the Broadway show oh my god dude that's hilarious first of all boo Broadway I saw Spider-Man I saw Spider-Man I saw Rocky two things I love it's like going to see a Spider-Man movie with the worst special effects ever all of a sudden there's a guy swinging and everybody's like, oh! I go, dude, really? Show me the one with Macy Barber in it. Not Macy Barber. Marcy Barber?

1:10:34Macy Barber's a fighter. Who's the black girl that used to sing? Macy Gray. Macy Gray. 100 milligrams. Yep. I saw a lot of it last night. There's a Rocky play? It was fucking horrendous. Do they box? Do they pull a ring out and everything? Yeah, it's fucking awful. Wow. It's like what the movie is, but just what you're picturing on Broadway. I've never seen anything I liked on that motherfucker. This. This is it? Oh, boom. Oh, theater people, you're so silly. Dude, I can't stand that. And the guy sucks. He can't box. The beloved Oscar-winning story. Dude, I just. I may not assume Stallone did this.

1:11:22I don't know. I mean, you just got to own it. It's a cover story. I'm not into plays. I saw Dog Day Afternoon with Jon Bernthal on Broadway. Oh, really? Yeah. How was that? It wasn't bad, though. That guy's really good. He was really good in it. He's really good. He's really good in it. You probably liked that shit, though. You do improv. Did you ever get into The Punisher? Did you see The One Last Kill? Yeah, I watched it. That was good. It's a one-off. You see it? It's like an hour long. People think it's a movie. It's not a full movie. That was good. Yeah, I liked it. That was really good. I liked it.

1:11:59Him in the Daredevil was good. Yeah, he was good. He was real good in that. His first season was okay. Second season wasn't good. But that special was good. If you have to watch one thing, it's like 45 minutes to an hour. Yep. I did a watch along on the Matt Serra channel. But I did. But it's such a... It's good, though. John Bernthal? Yeah. Walking Dead, he was amazing. Yeah, he was. He played such a good, creepy friend. Yeah. When he came back to life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, that was crazy. I met him a few times in real life. He can scrap a little bit. Yeah, he's a very nice guy. He was on the podcast.

1:12:33Enjoyed talking to him. Very smart. Interesting dude. Went to school in Russia to learn acting. I mean, that's a weird place to learn acting. And just so you know, while we're on the topic, The Punisher's going to be in Spider-Man Brand New Day. That's coming out. Is that a movie? Yeah, the new Spider-Man movie. They just keep swapping out Spider-Man. Yeah, but this Tom Holland Spider-Man, he's yet to do a bad Spider-Man movie. He's good. There's no job security in being Spider-Man. No, hell no. They got another dude waiting in the wings. Or there is job security. They just brought Tobey Maguire back after 20 years.

1:13:10Yeah, it's not a bad gig. The multiverse thing. But the thing is about Spider-Man is he's supposed to be like a college kid. Yeah. Unfortunately, this guy looks like a little kid. Tom Holland? Yeah. It's the origin story as he starts out as a coach. Yeah, he's a high school kid. He might be a high school kid. And then his Uncle Ben gets killed, and he doesn't stop the guy. You know what else was fun was the Spider-Man Noir. Yeah, I was pulling that up. Oh, Jamie, me and you are right here, buddy. Yeah, that's the Nicolas Cage one. Yeah, I watched that, too. That was fun. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.

1:13:43That looks dope. I thought it was good. And you can watch it in color or black and white. They give you the option. Yeah. Nicolas Cage is a fascinating dude. But he's another guy that's been around forever. He's the good Nicolas Cage in this. Yeah, yeah. Some stuff you're watching him in, you're like, oh. Well, I think after that Pascal movie he did, his name was in the title. It's like, I don't know, Being Nicolas Cage. Right, right, right. That movie brought him back. It was like Pulp Fiction for Travolta. Right. It kicked him back off again. What is that movie? It was great where Pedro Pascal is like a drug dealer who's a big fan of Nicolas Cage.

1:14:19Oh. And he winds up like hiring him to come to his house to do something and then he gets cages hemmed up in the cartel business The unbearable weight of massive talent. That's what it's called. Is that it? Is that the name of it? Yeah, yeah, there it is. See being Nick fucking Cage So that's a great B plus that's not bad. It was good. It was good. Yeah, I'll probably check that out I watch part of it. I never got through the whole thing. No, it's just busy But it looks hilarious. Yeah, it's pretty much is hilarious You know, you're like an actor and you get these gigs. Because people do things like that.

1:14:52They'll show up at people's houses and parties. Someone wants to pay you a million dollars to go to Dubai. And you're like, okay. So then they fly to Dubai. Then they have dinner with people and hang out with them and meet them. And people just cut them a check. Damn. Yeah. Where can I get that check? I know. It's weird. It's weird. It's, there's, you know, so like Nicolas Cage, like that probably would happen where the cartel guy was like, that guy is my favorite. Like, remember when Sean Penn met El Chapo? Right. He was hanging with El Chapo and did an article for Rolling Stone magazine where he talked about meeting El Chapo in Mexico.

1:15:25No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember when Conor was wearing the El Chapo shirt and he tried to do the pictures just like El Chapo did? Those were the pictures that he did with Sean Penn. No shit. Yes. That's the shirt. That's what Conor's doing that. That's what he's doing. He's mocking that. That's hilarious. mind. Speaking of Connor, how well does he do next week? Boy, we're going to find out. We're really going to find out what's going on if it gets into the second and third rounds. That's what we're really going to find out. We'll know immediately. At that point. But I mean, whether or not he can really fight for five rounds against a guy with a great gas tank.

1:16:05After five years of tearing your body up? You don't know, right? Because it's all in a vacuum like there's some training footage of him beating guys up that you've seen but who knows what he actually has been doing we know he's been partying but has he also been like really training because if he's been really training and he shocks everybody because he's still got his skills yeah i mean my god if he if he somehow or another sparks out max in like the first round do you know how big he that's oh he's right back right back right back i mean he's right back him and Justin Gaethje, the biggest fight in the history of the Nolan universe.

1:16:43That would be sick. They go for the BMF title at 170. Connor's like, I don't want to cut any weight. That fight would be crazy. My only concern is his size. Like, Max struggled with bigger dudes. Like, Dustin the first time, then Max came back bigger, which we know because when he went back down, he struggled, you know, with Erlovsky. You know, I mean, he went five rounds with Justin. So, like, I'm just waiting to see, is Conor able to put that fucking weight on him and have a problem? Is he a bigger dude, though? They both fought at the same weight class. Yeah, they did start at 45. When Max was fighting at 145 when he was a champion, he was walking around like 176.

1:17:24He's a big guy. He's a bigger guy. He's big. I mean, I love Max, so it's hard for me to believe Conor's coming back. I follow Max on YouTube. He's got a great channel. also recording all of his training and all stuff he's doing. And you see him. He looks good, dude. He looks big. Dustin Poirier thinks Max might be bigger. Really? I mean, he's taller. He says he's kind of thin, but he's got a bigger frame. He thinks he's going to be bigger than Connor. He came to my gym a couple times and he's like my height, basically. I think he made a big mistake going back to 45 after he did 55. Yeah, I agree.

1:17:58I think it's too hard. I think it's just too hard on the body. And especially Especially when he got, he was a thick 55 when he fought Justin. He looked good. Yeah. He looked solid at that weight. I think him fighting at that weight, he could actually fight. I think going down to 45, I think he was fighting. It looked to me like he was compromised. Like I think the weight cut was just too much. Do you think the Justin fight and Max is different if he doesn't get caught with that kick early in the face? 100%. I would like to see that fight without Justin's compromise. Right. But I mean, that's the beautiful thing about moves like that.

1:18:34It's a fight game. It changes everything. Yeah, that was the intention. Right, could have been a KO. Right? It shattered the bones of his nose. Right. Yeah. So that for sure. I mean, but then, you know, you see the way Max looked at 145 when he fought Ilya. But then you got to also factor in, also he's fighting Ilya. And Ilya is so fucking good. Like, you look bad. Like, there's a lot of guys who don't look. He lands combinations on people and a lot of guys look bad. Doesn't mean they're bad. I'd like to see Max and Justin again. if Max pulls it off. But then again, what are you going to do for Ilya?

1:19:05If Ilya wants a rematch, can you justify that? I don't believe so. I think you give him Patty if Patty wins. That's what I think. That's what his next fight should be. I think Patty wins. Who's he such a fight pass? Wait a minute. You think Patty beats Ilya? No, I think he beats Saint Denis to get to Ilya. I think he gets hit way too much to beat Ilya. Ilya's sharp. He's so sharp with his strike. I re-watched that fight again. Yeah, I like Paddy in this one. Saint Denis is not an easy one. I don't think he's easy. Saint Denis is a beast. I just think his Paddy striking is a little better and his jiu-jitsu is better.

1:19:41I think the only place Saint Denis has the advantages into the wrestling, just my opinion. I don't know, man. Saint Denis switched camps and then made that big adjustment after he lost to—who did he lost to? Moicano. Yeah, after the Moicano fight. He's looked a lot better. If Paddy puts him on his back at all, like, I don't, does Saint Denis train off his back? Because it didn't look like it in that Moicano match. Paddy and Ilya would be huge. Hell yeah. Because they have history, too. Because they have history. That's right. They got beef. That's the fight. Yeah. That would be a meta fight. That's the fight you make.

1:20:13Do that shit in London? I think that's the right comeback fight for Ilya. And also. Do that shit in England. Joe's like, I'm going. Oh, my God. Now I don't want to get caught in a riot. Not for anything. Be careful. They may lock you up for your social media when you get over there. They would, too. They were shitting on Patty when he lost to Justin. And, you know, he got compromised also that first round. I believe he got poked in the eye or whatever else. Whatever case, he went five with him. Yeah, he did go five with him. And, you know, got battered and stood up to great shots. And he's going to come out of that fight better.

1:20:48He'll know, okay, there's more work to be done. There's holes I have in my game. There's places where I got caught. And he has improved over his – like, when he first got there, I didn't really think much of him. But each time out, I think he gets a little better. Yeah, dude, for sure. It's just Justin's in. Yeah, Justin's a savage. He's a dog, dude. He's my favorite fighter rat, you know, been for a minute. Yeah, no doubt. Because he's just always in a great fight. The White House was insane. And especially after you see that second round. I re-watched it again. When Ilya was putting it on him in that second round, I'm like, oh, those liver punches.

1:21:19I know. Like, how does he come back from this? If he – More than one, too. So beautiful, though, too. Like, the way he delivers those shots, man. Just clean. You know who else does it like that? Aaron Pico. Yeah, he does great. Great body work. Yeah, 100%. I'm glad that he's got to show his stuff. Me, too. He looked great his last fight. He looked great. Yeah, Pico. Because that was one of those guys. He was fighting Pitbull. He was like, you know, a real legend. But the way he mixed it together, the striking and the wrestling, was really good. He just got crazy in his debut, and he just got a little just too hyped up, a little too aggressive against a guy who's way too skilled.

1:21:57Yeah. You know? He's a hunter. Yeah. You know, I love that he's so aggressive, but that was a great comeback fight. Fuck yeah, it was. Because it shows that he's still in there, you know? You get worried when you see people get their lights put out like that. You're like, oh, they can never be the same. And then when you see him come back in a fight like that, being so intelligent, that's a good sign. But he has to make sure his defense is always good because his chin is still suspect. Regardless of how good his skill is, he still don't have a chin. Well, he's been knocked out a bunch of times.

1:22:29A few times. You know, I mean, after a certain amount of times, it's easier to get knocked out. And you've got to know he's been knocked out in training. I always believe part of your chin is believing you can't be knocked out. And then when it happens to you that first time, instead of when you get your bell rung, you bite down on your mouthpiece, now you're like, oh, shit, not again. Like I think mentally it's maybe it's different. Yeah There's something to that probably but then there's also like a well if you get hit on the fucking Yeah, it's like certain shit that violates

1:23:06I remember that one that was in Brazil and it's a barboza Terry Adam Yeah, he had a good one, too. That's one of those where you go. I don't think that guy's ever gonna be the same I don't think he was the same after that. No. I thought it right then and there. I was like, I think that was too hard. That was too hard. That's a different shot. And you've seen it where guys, they get one, and then they're still in there, and then you see them get a couple, and then next thing you know, their chin is gone. It's just not. Listen, Chuck Liddell's mentally strong. You know what I mean? You don't think he's being like, I wonder if this is going to.

1:23:38That's just his body saying. His body's trying to protect him. Yeah, his body's saying enough of this. And it's also apparently it's the lining inside your brain. All that fascia tears over time and repeated head traumas. And just there's a lot of swashing around. So when you get dinged, your brain is literally going without shock absorbers bouncing off the inside of your skull. That might not be the technical way that a neurosurgeon would describe it. Hey, man, listen, all those height jokes, I was like a little armadillo. top of my head i was covering that little motherfucker unless i'm running into a back fist i was okay that's right but uh it's so funny how everything just evolves when i got stopped with the first i was the first guy ever to get stopped with a back fist and when i did the people were like yo this guy must suck nobody gets stopped with that shit now you see it on every call people getting stopped with back fist too we used to have these conversations like eddie bravo and i at the beginning of the ufc about stuff that works that's not in there yet like What about this?

1:24:43What about that? And you know the big one that I missed on what's that front kick to the face Before Anderson Silva front kick V toward the face. I'm like that shit doesn't work. Nobody does nobody does that Yeah, no, I don't ever yeah, too hard to land. Yeah, then it's I don't even know why I thought that You say you really thought that for a little bit because I was like it's not worth it I was like that move is so powerful to the body I was like that's really where you should use it because you could land It's a big target you could really fuck a guy up You get your most power with a front kick going straight.

1:25:11And I was like, to the face, it's like too hard to hit. I don't know why I thought that way. Machida. Yeah, Machida and Randy. Yeah, Machida and Randy. I think it was like Vitor first, or Anderson Vitor first. I think that was the first one when we saw a real spectacular front kick knock out to the face. But then it was Machida and Randy, and then a bunch of people started doing it. And then front kicks to the face became like a spam. Thanks Sensei Seagal for that. How about Michael Chandler or Tony first? Oh, yeah, yeah, bro. That might be the worst ones ever. Yeah. Or Chito Rivera, Frankie Edgar.

1:25:45Oh, yeah, yeah. That was another one. That was bad for Frankie. Front kicks to the face are brutal. I didn't see that coming. I really, because in martial arts tournaments, most people were throwing them to the body and not throwing them to the face. Even in kickboxing, not a whole lot of guys were throwing them to the face. You know, with Michael Chandler, I remember talking to him, he said he didn't even practice that. He just says he just saw the opening and just threw the kick. That's so crazy. That's wild. Yeah. That's so crazy. I mean, I think, too, once a successful technique gets out there and people see it, then all of a sudden, hey, I can fucking do that.

1:26:17Yeah. 100%. He had a rough outing the last one, Mike. Yeah, that was a tough fight, man. I mean, that was a bad matchup. That's saying, Mike, it's time for you to retire. Mike is 40. Hoofie is in his prime, and he might be the scariest striker at 170. Yeah, he's in the south. Or 155, rather. And by the way, giant for 55. I know like rangy yeah good movement he's fucking good bro he hit him with like three wheel kicks Yeah, yeah, he was just I mean it was target practice It's crazy how good he is and you talk about that taekwondo movement. He has that exactly but with boxing hands Yeah, so it's crazy.

1:26:56Yeah, you know I mean got to tighten up the wrestling the jiu-jitsu and that's why I lost to Ben wassaint Denis Yeah, that was a good learning experience When you see a guy who's that good fucking everybody up, you know the way pull out King She's bro. That was real bad. He does it like a video game And and I thought that was gonna be a decent By the way the Fazeev knockout apparently He was like sick as a dog before the fight was they were talking about pulling out of the fight No, sure. He just took the fight anyway had one of the best performances of his career Bro, that guy, he's elite. And training with Volkanovski?

1:27:34I know. Only going to make him better. Perfect. Yeah, for sure. What better guy? Like wrestling strong, like animal featherweight that was like the king for so many years, won the crown again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stick around with that guy. He'll show you how to get up. He'll show you how to not get taken down. And Volkanovski, you know, he don't have much left in him. Right, so he's going to want to coach guys. Yeah, he's going to want to like pass it on. And you've got the perfect guy to pass it on to. He's got a great fight IQ. Yeah. Very well-rounded, too. Volkanovski? Yeah. I think he's one of my favorites.

1:28:02Yeah, he really grew on me. I didn't like him because of Max. You know, I was always rooting for Max. But, you know, he's earned my respect. That guy's just, he's good. He's good everywhere, too. He really is. The dude I got my eyes on the most is Carlos Protes. I got my eyes on him the most. He's so accurate. Dude, that's so accurate. That Jack De La Modellina KO was crazy. I know. Jack is so fucking good. And he's so tough. He's so tough. And you watch Carlos just tee off on him like that. He really did. Looked like target practice for him against such a high-level guy. He was having fun. I know.

1:28:37Ain't that the worst part? Dude, Morales is a savage, too, still. I know, but that fight, save that fight. Morales versus Protas, save that fight. Wait until it's ready. Not yet. It's like, don't pull the brisket out of the smoker just yet. I was telling Matt, I saw some grappling footage of Morales, and he looked pretty fucking good. Well, he has a wrestling background, and if there's a way he's going to get Protas, it's going to probably be a combination of those things. Because Protas just wants a stand. Yeah, of course. And he's built like if you had an engineer, like a long-range striker.

1:29:14His torso is as big as all legs and arms. Bro, and he's so accurate. He had his best round, the fifth round, versus Ian Machado Gary. Yeah. He came back like a bat out of hell. And really had him hurt bad. He might get out pointed, but he's he's common bad positions and he's always fucking dangerous That was the last are you thinking maybe he's a chain smoker or something that he's always smoke cigarettes Yeah, the fifth round man. He had he had Ian in trouble. He's good dude, and he's real hits so fucking hard when he killed Leon I was like I know Leon's good. He's a good striker to kale Leon like that clean was crazy.

1:29:54They got a crazy room Was it the Fight Nerds they called themselves? Yeah, Fight Nerds. And Hoofty was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He trains with them and he trains with other people as well. Like Protes moves around. But he had a giant Muay Thai record, rather. Oh, no shit. Yeah. How many Muay Thai fights did Carlos Protes have? Like, world class. I've watched a bunch of his just pure Muay Thai fights. And the comfort level that he has in their exchanging and moving and knowing where he's supposed to be and not to be, that sensitivity that he has to striking exchanges because world-class Muay Thai is such an advantage.

1:30:32Yeah, I would favor him if he fought Ian Gary again. Perhaps, because he knew he would hurt him. Yeah, yeah. He knows he has to try to get it on him. Yeah. He can't point fight him. Do you think that Islam's going to just have his way, or do you think Ian Gary has a shot there? He definitely has a shot. I mean, Ian, he's— So he had 29 Muay Thai wins, five losses. So 34 Muay Thai fights and like high level man You watch him fight and you're like, okay this guy he can fucking He he knows where to be where not to be and he knows how to like piece people up man It's like when you have that high level We've seen it so many times with these guys like world champ like Alex see these world champion kickboxers They entered to MMA like nobody has a chance standing with them.

1:31:19It's like it's too scary. Yeah, and that's what you're seeing with Carlos It's like, fuck, man. What he did to JDM, I was like, holy shit. I mean, he was having fun. He was just playing with him. Having a good time. I was like, what? Beating the shit out of the former world champion, having a good time. Just smashing him. Stopped him. Had him screaming from calf kicks. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas he went to his corner and they're like, no, ah, don't fucking scream. They're telling him to not scream. Yeah. Bro, you didn't just get kicked in the same spot six times. Fuck you. No, ah. You know how tough that dude is?

1:31:53His nose is on the left side of his face And you're saying that guy Toughen up That's a fact That was one of those I had him when he was getting him up against the cage I was fucking flinching I'm like here it's coming You know it's coming but you just don't know where it's coming from And those knees to the body are so nasty Prates is so nasty He's so good man And he's getting better too And now he's starting to do this shit But he's feeling it. He feels like he's the best guy in the world right now. Yeah, I feel like he's the scariest guy in that division. I think so. He's the scariest. But it doesn't mean he's going to be the best.

1:32:29Right. The bottom line about Islam is no one's able to get away from him. He gets a hold of you. He's very good standing up now. And he gets a hold of you. You're at fucksville. He has a different kind of wrestling. Different kind of grappling. Well, if Ian can't keep him off of him, I don't see how he beats him on the ground. His submissions are fucking insane, too. He's just got a vice grip, man. I know. Everybody that he rolls with or everybody that he fights with, they all say, I've never been grabbed like that. Never felt anybody that strong. Who's that, Islam? Islam, yeah. I don't know if it's the same at 70, but he's so big, I can't imagine it's not.

1:33:05It's not like he's a little 70. Yeah, because he's tall. Fucking big, man. Yeah, he's got a good frame on him. I think he's going to be better at 70 because he's not going to be depleted. Because when I would stand next to him in the octagon when he was the 55-pound champion, I'd be like, how? how do you weigh 55 that doesn't even make any sense you're 190 pounds right now guaranteed if i put you on a scale you weigh 190 you're fucking so big i think ian's gonna make it come competitive early you know like because he's got good footwork he moves side to side really good he's long but if he gets taken down twice and then it becomes a habit of him getting taken down he won't get back up he won't if but the thing is if ian gary can get off sharp combinations early he could stun him.

1:33:47Yeah. Because Ian can move. He's fast as fuck. Fast as fuck and he's super accurate. And the way he throws his strikes is like real clean. No fat in his mood. Everything's like. Very responsible. Yeah he's not like a physically overpowering guy. It's technique. His technique is sharp. Did you see his interaction that time with Kamzat? Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? There was a little too much of a pat on the back. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. I wasn't wrong and I like Ian. I don't get against them, but there's like a pat on the back They're kind of halfway yeah, yeah, he went up to him Checker what you know you got coming up all you feel strong and there's a weird thing Me a little too hard on the back.

1:34:32Yeah, you know there's what there's a hug and then there's a slap slap Yeah, yeah, we're like there's a slap slap. That's like a little aggressive male dominance You don't like me? What are you trying to do? You don't like me? Are you hitting me? It feels like you're hitting me a little bit. Yeah. Like if you hit a woman in the face like that, you'd go to jail. Right? You're hitting me in the back, but if you're like, hey, where's my fucking spaghetti? And you double slap her in the back. I'll tell you right now, I don't even like, from so many right hands, see this little, see this thing right here that's bumping out?

1:35:05Yeah, it's broken. I don't like, yeah, I fucked it up on Shoney's head, but I don't like when guys try to, When you first meet somebody and they try to squeeze do I because I want to smack them right there Because it's I'm like because I feel pain with that shit What are we looking what now he's talking about the hums? No, no, no, that's shop caught that's up. How dare you

1:35:30No, it was Jamie wasn't at a fight it was like They were all backstage. I thought I remember seeing it. Yeah, but I... Bro, I honestly felt bad for Hamzat trying to make 185. From all that I heard before the Strickland fight, like, he almost died. To make 185? Yeah, when he made 185, when he fought Strickland. Really? Yeah. He was apparently thinking that he was going to go up to light heavyweight. Oh. And they were even talking about him fighting Yuri. Okay. And so he was preparing like he was going up to light heavyweight. And if you watch, he's another guy who's got a great YouTube channel.

1:36:05He details all his training. He was hanging out with that Calavita guy, doing a lot of the cardio and strength. There it is. Like, he gave him—I think it was before that, though. Yeah, before that. I think it was, like, good job tonight, good job. And I think he slapped him on the back before that. Or maybe it was after. I don't know what it was. But it was enough. So, like, he's fine now. Like, they seem cool. Oh, no, no. Talking a little shit. Right here he gets pissed and pushes him. He's a champion, don't worry. So, yeah. Well you know Hamza doesn't Well I mean he did give him that little squeeze On the shoulder Chechnya is not America Dudes that come from Chechnya That is a war torn country And those motherfuckers don't play And the guy who runs it Is Hamza's homie Which is like okay So much so he lets him tap him out Yeah It's ridiculous But that's how it goes you gotta do what you gotta do but I like the fight I think Ian has a real chance I do too, I think early he does but if he gets taken down repeatedly if he gets taken down he might just get smushed he might just get choked and smushed and choked I don't know he struggled with Shavkot on the ground he did, but again that's a couple of years ago it's not like he's not getting better he's smart, he knows how to get himself prepared I just think he's got his edge is on the feet obviously so I think that's where he if he's going to win that's where he will I don't know why people don't like him I love him I think he's awesome he also almost finished Shavkot with a rear naked choke if I remember correctly does not really yeah he did he did have Shavkot back yeah he had his back I forgot about that I forgot about that that was the closest anybody came to finishing he also fucked up Shavkot's knee he hit him with that oblique kick to the knee and that's the reason why Shavkot had to get surgery really and he's had two surgeries since yeah like Ian even made a post about it yeah Damn.

1:38:04That's so rude. So rude. This is why he had to get surgery. I think Ian made a post. I saw a post that maybe somebody attributed to Ian. But it was his work. I mean, look, it's a legal technique, and he's really good at it. And the way he throws it, that oblique way sideways to the knee, that's fucking devastating. And he's long enough to do it. Yeah, man. Yeah, for sure. John Jones style. But he's like, the way he can move in with combinations, it's very hard to deal with. But even he had to fucking grab MVPs. He's like, fuck this. I know, right? Even him. Even him, yeah, for sure. That's what I'm talking about, where you can't hit them.

1:38:39Yeah. And you're like, what am I doing here? But that's why I like Ian. Think about that. He's able to solve them problems. His IQ is so high, he's beating guys like MVP and the guys that other people, and Carlos Prontez, guys that other people can't beat. Very true. Very true. Look at that. There it is right there. That's it right there, man. Can you back it up again so we hit it? Right there. Oh my God, dude. Damn, that's a fucked up. Look how bad that is. Don't throw anything. I used to do the ACL. That's it right there. Boom. I used to do that on the wooden dummy. That's a Wing Chun. See, there you go.

1:39:09Those Wing Chun work. That's a stomp kick. Yeah, it is a stomp kick. It's real. It's real. Wing Chun works. Proof. That's it. Bro, Gary's no joke, man. He's fucking dangerous. And that style of being that tall is so hard to deal with. Matt, my short brother, you know what I'm talking about. Dude, let me tell you something. Especially little trolls like us. They'd always try to latch onto my head. Yeah, it's just so hard to even spar with tall guys because they can hit you from six inches further away than you can hit them. That's a lot of space. Yeah, you've got to come in behind that double, triple jab.

1:39:41I love the fact that you can do anything and you should be able to kick to the knees. I hate the fact that it blew his knee out. We really haven't seen him the same since. I mean, he's been two surgeries. I think he had one fight after that, right? Did he have one more fight after the Ian Gary fight? He's had a what didn't he have a bad car accident or something like that? Did he? Yeah. Shavkot. Did he? I thought so. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe it was just his family. Maybe. I don't know. I hope he's okay. I just missed the guy in the octagon. He's fucking good, man. Shavkot was good.

1:40:16It's just like one technique can change your whole career. Yeah, I thought he was coming back like trying to rehab from whatever from the accident. Oh, so it was the accident? I mean, look, obviously. Well, first it was a hurt. It's like for sure. For sure, first he had ACL surgery before that. So he might have gotten an accident after that. Maybe that's what happened. Maybe he redid it. Fuck, dude, that sucks. He's so good. But then again, it's like this fucking sport waits for no one. These dudes are coming up, coming up. You know what I'm bummed that got canceled this weekend is Ethan Ewing.

1:40:47Oh, yeah. That kid's good, dude. He's so good. Yeah, that was going to be a good... That kid was fighting his bachelor slouch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He came onto the scene. And it was a short notice fight versus Wellmaker at Madison Square. Garden yeah and well make a and well like it he's having a hard well make is having a hard time lately he lost his last one too and he's a better fighter than that so he's a young kid so we'll see the best from him yet but well he came out so spectacular well maker did he looks so good in his debut and he looks like he's you know and on the contender series looks like he's he's really good but fucking Ethan yes he's really good he's real good and he's another guy like we're talking about like these this new breed of guys like the Sanhagans.

1:41:30Yeah. He's constantly switching stances, constantly giving you different angles and directions. It's like very hard to pattern them. Is he on the counter card too, right? He was on the Sanhagan. Sanhagan is. Yeah, Sanhagan is fighting Bautista. Yeah, but he was, Ethan was on the card and I think they pulled him off. Yeah, he was, the dude he's fighting was undefeated. There it is, Basarat. Yeah, fuck. And Basarat's good. Yeah. That's a really good fight. He's tall, rangy. That would have been interesting. Can we see the rest of the card? He's injured. He'll be back. But I like the fact that he's not fighting injured, too, because it's a pretty significant injury.

1:42:09And so when these guys, they say, fuck it, I'll just do it, and then you have one loss, and then that loss leads you. You know, your career can go down a weird road. Pretty good card. It's a very good card. This is a good card. Benoit and Saint-Denis and Patty Pimblitt. Right. That's right. And then Connor Max Hallett. Is on this one, too, right? Yep. Yeah, there you go. He was going around that he was going to fight Josh Hokett. I was like, please don't make that be true. Yeah. But he's a minus 2 ,500. Robert Whitaker and Nikita Krylov is good, too, man. Robert is going from 170 to 85 to now light heavyweight.

1:42:43Isn't that crazy? And he's not that big. Not that big? No. Is he like 6 '1"? He's pretty short. Not even. No? No. How tall is Robert? Six feet tall? Yeah, six. So he's a thick fella. Yeah. definitely got to be walking around at like 230 or something like that but these guys are so tall and so rangy and that fucking nikita krailov guy can kick yeah he's a legit 205 yeah he's cody's still he was lighting up yuri in that fight before he got caught remember yeah he was lighting yuri up sure yeah cody i don't i think it's time to cody garbrandt Adrian Yanez, man, he went through a bad streak too, but that dude's very skillful.

1:43:29Very good boxer. Yeah, he looked good in his last one. What's Cody doing too? What is this thing on his eye? Is he angry that he's good looking? Yanez is, yeah. Is he angry? Yeah, he's got to doctor it up. The kids these days, they like face tattoos. Yanez is 450 favorite. That's what I'm saying. Minus 450 is nuts. Cody's chin, man. He's just been too many times. Too many times. Well, that's an age thing too. I mean, Cody's not actually that old. I think he's only like 33. How old is Cody Garbrandt? 33? No, he's got to be older than that. I don't think he's old. No, I don't think he's old. I think he started his career at 34.

1:44:0534? Oh, my God. Yeah, see, I think he started his career really young. 35. Dude, fucking Max. 35 now? Oh, July 7th. Yeah, next week. Oh, so next week. Max started. He was, what, 19? This guy's still good. Right. Yeah, well, you know, when I interviewed them for the UFC at the White House, which is the most ridiculous thing in the world, I'm sitting there in this beautiful adorned room with gold on the ceiling and shit like that, and on a chair with a camera in front of me. And then there's a monitor here that's Connor, and there's a monitor there that's Max. And they're arguing with each other.

1:44:35You won't lay a glove on me. There you go. There you go. It was crazy to see the two of them going back and forth. It's fun seeing Connor come back, man. I know. He's fun. I mean, he is the world's greatest shit talker. He cracked me up, man. He was cracking me up. I can't wait till fight week. It's going to be amazing. Look, I hope he looks great. I hope it's a good fight. But, you know, it's a tall order to take on Max Holloway after he was just the BMF champion. He beat Dustin Poirier. Yeah, he lost to Ilya. But, like, you look at the wins that that guy's had in his career and how he's looked since their first fight.

1:45:12This is a totally different human being. Yeah. This is a world champion, like one of the all-time featherweight greats. I think if Conor don't knock him out early, he's in for a long night. Max can fight with no weight cut. No weight cut. Max might never get tired. People are saying, oh, yeah, but what about moving up weight? I'm like, that's great for him. He don't have to cut no weight. Great for him. It's great for both of them. Listen, this is the future. I would hope. I would hope guys would abandon weight cutting. I really do. And I think the UFC should accommodate it by letting go of these ridiculous weight limits.

1:45:44Let's just find out what guys weigh. Let's find out what guys weigh. and have them fight. Have them fight at what they want. Does one still do that? I mean, that was the way to go. We weigh you in at the beginning of the year, and then this is where you're going to fight. I would run things like one, because they also allow steroids, allegedly. I might have just made that up. I don't want to get slandered. I don't want to get sued. I don't think they do. I think they have drug tests at one. I think it's like a multiple choice. Multiple choice. I want guys to take testosterone. None of the above.

1:46:15I want them to take peptides. I want them to take everything they have. I want to give them a hyperbaric chamber. Like, let's go, boys. And then just release them. Yeah, release the hounds. I want the best fighting that's humanly available. The old fucking pride days. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I want the enhanced games MMA bouts. Yes. But with Conor and Max, one guy, even in his prime, Conor's always shown signs that, you know, his endurance was never the best. He's a sprinter. And Max is, man, he's the guy in the last round, he's winning a fight. Max is still sprinting. 30 seconds, he's pointing.

1:46:51Yeah, he's fresh. His fifth round is as good as his first round. Max's discipline is beyond compare. Like, that motherfucker trains hard. I mean, you might train just as hard, but there ain't harder. There ain't harder. The craziest one was when he put it on Calvin Cater, and he was just talking shit. Yeah, yeah, we were there. I'm the best boxer in the UFC. It was so crazy. I was watching that cage side, and him looking away, talking, and hitting him was just something. Bro, how about Brian Ortega when he was fighting him, showing him how to keep his hands up. Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus. He grabs him, grabs his hand, and puts it by his head.

1:47:29No, do it like this. He can block it. And then pops him with a jab again. Bro, Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, dude. About 100%. And, you know, I think it's going to be interesting to see. Look, Conor in his prime was elite. Conor Eddie Alvarez, if it's that Conor right now fighting Max, I'd be like, holy shit. Yeah, that's different. But can he regain that form? We don't know. I mean, he's a special dude. Look at this. Just pop. Talking shit to him.

1:47:59Dana was losing his mind over there. There's also COVID, so you could kind of hear him. Yeah, 100%. Oh, look at that right hand. He wasn't even looking at it. He was slipping shit. I'm the best boxer in the UFC. Look at this. Bro, he's such a bad motherfucker. Man. And if he starts talking to Conor like that in the middle of the fight and teeing off on him, if Conor gets tired, it could get rough. Look at his last fight with Dustin. Yeah. The difference is Conor, I don't give a fuck if he's 39. I don't care how old he is. That dude's got the touch. Yeah, he does. He's got the touch of death. And he's very accurate.

1:48:34He's accurate, and he's fast as fuck. and when he's sprinting, when he's sprinting, he moves quicker than anybody. It's like you can't do that for five rounds, but if he does it and cracks you, you're on fucksville. Look what he did to Aldo. Who the fuck's ever done that to Aldo? That's the touch. Do you think there's any chance that Conor wrestles him? I think Conor might try to wrestle him a little bit. That's what Nate said. All of a sudden he wanted to turn into a wrestler. Maybe looking at that and then maybe seeing it. I don't see that. I think Max has got to put it on him a little bit and then he'll shoot because he's not in it for war.

1:49:09That's gonna get him even more tired. He did in his first fight he wrestled. We say he's not in it for war, but he can surprise us man. Like you know the humiliation of losing that second fight to Dustin with a broken leg and sitting there and having to go out for all the Who knows how he responded to that? Obviously he did a lot of parting. We don't know what kind of training you know and if he really is still the Conor McGregor that had something to prove when he entered into the UFC and he can get himself into that mindset and get through a camp with that mindset, who knows, man? I mean, he definitely looked focused as fuck when I was talking to him in the interview.

1:49:44It doesn't really mean anything until you actually see him move around. But if he really prepared himself correctly, he wants to make a stand and show that he can still do it, this might get wild. But if that's the strategy, fuck, man. If he's worried about his endurance already or if that's a question, If that's the strategy, it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Max has a ground game. Max's jiu-jitsu has gotten so much better. Look what he survived with Charles Oliveira. So it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Right. I would like to talk to Kavanaugh and see what was the plan.

1:50:14Like, what did you guys do? How long was the camp? Like, how did it start? What was he doing before the camp? Yeah, so I had talked to Laura Sanko, who interviewed Kavanaugh. Oh, okay. And she said that he wouldn't say it, but he kind of alluded to that wrestling might be a part of the game plan. Well, that might be a ruse. Yeah. Yeah. That might be the lure. Because the way that Charles handled Max in the last fight was crazy. But also, that's Charles. That's what I'm saying. So I was just getting ready. Nobody else took Max down like that. Nobody. Charles is a fucking monster on the ground. Charles is Charles.

1:50:46He's so good on the ground, man. Max had to survive some shit that other people would have tapped. Yeah, a lot of people. Here's what's crazy. Islam smushed him. I know. Right? Right? There's crazy levels to this sport. Yeah, true. Islam smushed him. I know. He got him to the ground. Made him look bad. Made him look bad. Smush. He was tapping like immediately. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't getting out of this. Yeah. I'm going night-night. That's how good he is. I mean, when he got Drew Dober in half guard. Oh, I know. When he got that arm triangle from half guard, he was like, there ain't no half guard here.

1:51:21This is just smush. Yeah, pressure. That pressure is fucking phenomenal. Incredible squeeze. He just cuts off the blood. There's nothing you can do about it. That forearm grip Doris that he uses, do you fuck with that? I don't mess with that, but I know how powerful it is. Do you fuck with it, Matt? No, that was never my thing. The Anacondas and the Dorises. Because we're short-armed little. That's what the fuck it is. To promote me with these things. These are great for some things, but not for Dorises. But it should be better for y 'all because all you have to do is grip here. Yeah, I never tried it, though.

1:51:53But I did used to like the Japanese necktie for the same reason because the Japanese necktie when you're funneling under for When you go for that underhook on the left arm and you get it behind the head You cinch down like this and then instead of trying to go all the way through and cinch it up as a dars You take it from this position with this lever on the back of the neck and you tuck the neck into your chest Okay, and then you grab a leg you grab a leg and you do this Yeah, like lean on this shoulder So once you cinch it up, as soon as you get this forearm behind the neck, the first thing to do is you put your left shoulder to the mat.

1:52:24So your left shoulder, you drop down the mat, and usually they think they're going to spin out of it, but you're trapping the head and the chest. Yeah, put your shoulder to the floor, right? There's a video of me showing it to TJ Dillashaw. We're at the Onnit headquarters, and I'm showing him how to do it. It's great for short-armed dudes. Wait, you're on his back, you're saying? No, you're on the darts position, right? So he's got the underhook, you funnel under, you get it behind the head. Once you get it behind the head, you use this lever, you pin that down on the neck, and the first thing I want to do is put my left shoulder over on the top.

1:52:54Oh, here it is. So here it is. So once you get to this position and you climp, I want to put my shoulder down, and then his head is trapped. Ooh. Is that a neck crank? 100%. It's horrible. Are you hipping in? Yes. And you usually grab a hold of a leg. You can just step over. It's right there. Jamie, back it up to where I'm showing it to him, and then I talk through it. Back it up a little bit. Yeah, there it is. Give me some volume

1:53:34So you're hooking a leg even before you fall down too immediately Exactly, so as soon as I cinch my hands together, I'm hooking a leg. Yeah, I want to tie him up I want to tie him up and I want to get him in a position Where he thinks he's going to roll out of it like you would with a DARS But you can't roll out of it Also because I'm trapping your head in my chest So you're just worried about me getting this But I'm not even trying to get that I'm just getting this Can you hear some volume right here? Dude that's a

1:54:05Would you get it?

1:54:10See people like when they put their legs in there That's what he was just saying That's why it's really good. That cranks that neck. Is that Danny Castile? Yeah. Yeah. But that's better. There's more pressure. You very rarely see this in the UFC. And it's available, too, because also the gloves, they get in the way of certain chokes, like definitely rear naked chokes. It's so hard to get the hand in the proper position with the back of the hand on the head. Does it matter which leg you step over? He stepped over the first. You stepped over the far leg. The far leg's better. You get better control, but it doesn't matter as long as you could tie him up and trap his head inside your chest So once the heads in the chest you're in a terrible position to defend because it puts your head at this nasty angle Like the moment your head gets to that angle.

1:54:55So TJ showing like one of the ways that he does it He's doing I'd say his grip is different from yours He's trying a different grip. Yeah, I like my grip better. Well, it's not my grip It's Eddie Bravo's grip, but I like the grip better because you got the lever So the thing is about having it go through, this lever, when you get this forearm on the back of the neck, that's a lot of power. There's a lot of power that way. So if you see how I'm doing, I'm doing it like a little bit different. And he's just gone. Well, yours too, you're all on his head and neck. TJ is cradling him almost. That's it.

1:55:25So he did it that way now, like in that time. Now he's doing it the right way. That's nasty. And then once it gets in the chest, yep, trap the leg. He can trap either leg. The whole thing is just trapping the head. You just want to make sure you have contact with his body so his left legs or his right his legs rather can't spin out You don't want him spinning out because then his head's gonna get free It's nasty, but it's just I don't see it in MMA and I don't know why because it's available when guys are trying to get the darts and they can't get it. Like there's a lot of times the legs are tangled up and it's it's horrible because you have this level.

1:55:58You remember when Khabib tapped Conor and everybody's like, oh, you didn't even there wasn't even in. He was doing that same shit, but he was doing across the neck on the back. It's going to break his jaws. Fucking horrible. It's going to break your neck, man. And that's what that feels like. But that's even worse because it's sideways. And you got your body on it. Yeah. But the worst that I've never seen in the UFC is the executioner. I don't think I've ever seen anybody get that rear, that, you know, you're in the back mount and you reach over and you go guillotine from the back. Somebody got something like that the other day.

1:56:30Well, that was the Scottish. Oh. Scottish Twister. Scottish Twister. That's different. Scottish Twister is different. Scottish Twister is a little different. It's still nasty as fuck. That's the leaning back, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's horrible on your neck. Anything that attacks the spine and the fucking... Oh, they're horrible. My man couldn't tap fast enough. The executioner's the worst. Yeah, yeah. Because you've got rear naked hooks, and you've got the head back this way, and you're going like that. Yeah, that's... It's nuts. That's nuts. Yeah. Now, that's a catch wrestling thing, right?

1:57:04Oh, that? I don't know, man. That sort of started popping up at 10th Planet, at least, like in the 2000s. 2000s like 2003 or 4 so Epstein likes to call it the executioner But he wasn't the only guy doing it like other guys had figured it out So you're in north-south which a lot of guys, you know that was back in the north god. Yeah, this is it right here Bro, this is holy hell when you're in rear naked choke position, but you have the The arm wrapped like that the amount of pressure on the spine is just crazy It's you could paralyze him a hundred percent should I do a hundred percent Long Island knucklehead, they'll be fucking...

1:57:43Making sure everybody's signed a waiver on that. But look at how nasty this is. Like, it's such a bad position to try to defend. You have no strength to defend it. Yeah, that's a wrap. Hell. That's a wrap. And I don't see it in the UFC, and I don't understand why. I think it's available. I think some guys could get this. I mean, not always. But there's a lot of times you're trying to fight the rear naked choke, or you're trying to get the rear naked choke, but the guy's defending. and if you switch to something like this, if you could find a way to get into a position like this, you're not going to defend that, man.

1:58:14Well, the truth is that a lot of guys in the UFC or in MMA in general don't really practice jiu-jitsu from that standpoint. They do anti-jiu-jitsu because they think that their chances of winning a fight on their feet are better. So their idea is just like defend a takedown and get back to my feet or just use basic jiu-jitsu. So stuff like this that's available to them, they don't know it or they don't practice it enough for it to be instinctive for them to do it. The fact that they're just trying to get up to their feet is the first problem, right? Yeah, that's it. Yeah because Look at Gilbert Burns versus Damian Maia Right and matches jujitsu a little bit and he finds the opening if he doesn't match a jujitsu He'll use that but then he has to move a certain way gives enough space to get to his feet God I gotta remember this guy's name the guy who's the Bellator champion is from Ukraine He's fighting in the UFC.

1:59:00I'm a song once Amazon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a Slav Amasov I knew that was the name and I didn't want to fuck it up and I was panicking It's not easy to hear You know when I really panic? Weigh in days You look at my face I'm in a hot panic I'll be feeling for you sometimes He's going to forget the name You don't bring the paper up I do bring the paper I do, I have to Not only that, I have to listen to these fucking names Over and over and over again Some of that shit's coming and you know and it gonna be mad at you if you mess it up he's so good at it he should be doing it I'll just interview people he's the best at naming the names I do that all unfiltered I go hey Jimmy who do we have next it's a fucking crazy name I just get the first name down Yurislaw is good he's good his ground game is so sweet did you see him fight which show You see, pull up his last fight.

2:00:02Yeah, he beat a light in Joe. Yeah. But back it up a little bit so you can see the takedown. Watch how he does this. Look at how beautiful this is. Bro. It's all in there. I mean, right into arm triangle. Look at this. Wow, that's a sick. Bro, and then he goes knee to the belly, too. Just crushing him. Did you see his setup for Neil Magny? Yes. Oh, man. He's so smooth, man. He's smooth. He's smooth. He's smooth. Dude, he put it on Neil. Yeah. Yeah, and then he breakdances. Oh, he break dances. Got to have something. Actually, look at that, man. It's pretty good. A little windmill. Yeah. That guy can move.

2:00:37And that guy's really good. He's dangerous. Old Sean Alvarez, he would be doing the windmill. He has one KO loss. That was Jason Jackson. Jason Jackson. Yeah, Jason Jackson knocked him out. He just put it on him. Jason Jackson just murdered him. Just ran across and beat him up. Yeah, I was talking to Big John and Josh Thompson on the podcast. They brought him up like that. He's like the on most unheralded the most underappreciated of the guys that are out there Jason Jackson. Yeah, yeah So that's a problem when you're not in the UFC that is and if the UFC picks him up I mean it's gonna be kind of late.

2:01:12He had to dig through the rubble of his house to get it. Holy shit Geez that's nuts man. That's crazy. That's nuts Puts you know perspective real fast. Holy shit, dude How bad did he want that belt? For real, right? I mean, this dude went back to a war zone to get his belt. A Bellator belt. Christ, imagine if it's a UFC belt. I'd have left that motherfucking air. That's so crazy. With his Bellator belt. That fucking dude's good, man. There's so many good guys now. It's crazy. It's a wild time for the sport, man. Yeah. You know, I like Big John. You know one thing I don't like that he does? Uh-oh.

2:01:52It always irks me. Big John McCarthy When I won the title he was my guy But I hate this Man As you fucking savages know When you're in there You're in a certain mindset right You got a guy looking to do bodily harm to you You're looking to fucking take him out Any way possible If there's a foul or something Now you're in this mindset So now you got this big fucking guy Hey uh what do you see You see ugly making jokes oh yeah okay let me go back to this guy trying to kill me good one Big John what the fuck really I dismayed Big John you don't like him making jokes in the middle how about this how about you go to the mothership you bring out the Tony how about you put your name in the hat you take the name out and maybe you could use that on Kill Tony I don't like that shit fuck that Every time he does it, there's something in me that makes me just be like, dude, is it about you?

2:02:59What the fuck's the matter with you? Good one, Big John. And you see the guys do it. Sometimes you see the guys go, oh, yeah, all right. Dude, fuck that. It's the same as the guy looking to give you a high five out there. Fuck that, too. That's boring. So, I mean, I don't know. It always irked me, and it just stuck out when his name came up. And he's not a bad guy. He's a great guy. I love him. But how about this? Now that you're back reffing, make a note of that. Put your name in a hat. Yeah, I could imagine. That would fuck with your head, right? You'd be like, man, make me listen to that joke.

2:03:37God damn. Fuck. I just got poked in the eye. And they were fucking working. What are you, you see ugly? Bro, I think they're getting a little bit better about warning people for fouls, but not better about taking points. They did for a little while. It seems like there was a little bit of pressure. It was hot and they were like, yeah, point, point, point. And everybody was like, yes! Crowd cheered. That's how it's got to be, folks. That's the new rule. The new rule should be. Eye poke, one point. Don't poke eyes. You do this shit and you jab someone in the eyes, one point. One point. Yeah, no doubt.

2:04:06One point. Right away, you know not to do it. Sometimes it happens. Unfortunately, if it happens, you get a point taken away. Don't let it happen. And you go back to your corner and go, make sure you don't do that again. Nutshot, one point. Unintentional nutshot. It's a warning. Like because you could kick while I'm kicking You weren't trying to hit me in the nuts right we just collided legs that happens all the time The rough one is the court that the call is the the back of the head when you're trying to put a guy away Because he's moving It's hard It's kind of that's hard and that spot is a lot smaller than what most people think because we think because we we think about it They just say the back of the head.

2:04:45So you're assuming that it's like anything back. Just a moho It's like a little small piece. Isn't that crazy, though? You kind of should be able to hit the back of the head. If everybody had the old A Osborne haircut, it'd be okay. Just don't hit him in his hair. Bro, do you remember when Henzo fought, what was his name, Rikers? Ben Rikers? Yes. Spikers. Spikers. Ben Spikers. And it showed, if you're allowed to elbow the back of the head, the rear mount. When Henzo got him. Oh, yeah. Bro. Oh, when Henzo was dropping bombs on him and then stepped on his neck. Stepped on him on the way out. Put him to sleep with his jacket, with his gear.

2:05:23I remember that, bro. It was awesome. The beating he gave him before he choked him to sleep. The beating in the back of his head. Stop calling my fucking room all night long. The guy was being a prick before the fight. He was a piece of shit. Yeah, he did. What did he do? Oh, yeah, yeah. He was calling his fucking room, trying to wake him up, like had his people harassing Henzo. He was a dick. And that's why Henzo did that. And he said, oh, you have eyes like my girlfriend, but they're prettier. So right away, Hensel's one of those guys that he can go from a smile to a fucking boha in two seconds.

2:05:55I mean, zero to 100 real quick. Well, and only if you're a dick. Oh, yeah, 100%. If you're not a dick, he's the nicest guy in the world. That position just shows you, if you're allowed to do that. Yeah, show before that, watch what he does before. Here it is. Once he gets them back mount, watch this. Boom! Oh, man. I mean, dude, that's a wrap. You can only take—imagine if that was in MMA. Why? Now, here's the thing. Is that— And then his dummy has a guillon. Is that inherently dangerous? Is it that much more dangerous? I mean, what we're doing is already dangerous. Right. And it also is very effective.

2:06:32So are we removing a very effective technique that would end fights? And if so, are we doing it to protect the fighter? Because if we are, why are we allowing a lot of other stuff? Why are we allowing flying knees? Why are we allowing sidekicks to the knee? Why are we allowing wheel kicks to the head, heels to the head? Smack him in the face again. Hey, nice fight.

2:06:58I mean, there's a certain amount of things that we already allow that are so bad for you. It's like, why don't you allow a shot to the back of the head? I need it explained to me like I'm a child. Like why is it okay to slam your elbow full blast into someone's temple? Yeah, but not this one you could drive your elbow down into their eye socket That's okay, but the back of the head is bad But also the back of the heads fine if you knock someone out from the back of the head and you didn't mean to like a head kick Like how many head kicks wrap around the back of the head right wonder boy? And it's like his UFC debut he goes over the shoulder whap back of the head out cold Yeah.

2:07:37That shit always works. The back of the head round kicks, that's a lot of times where they land. It's got to be a title. It is a little different. How many times did Ernesto Hoos knock dudes out with back of the head head kicks in kickboxing? A lot. All the time. For sure. I think that's how he knocked out Maurice Smith. I think he snuck it around over the shoulder and hit him in the back of the head. I mean, anatomy he's going to dictate that. That's what you're supposed to do. So that's legal? No one says, that's an illegal blow. My overhands, that's where they hit a lot. Fuck them. I'm facing you.

2:08:16What do you want me to do? This is what is part of the sport, right? Now, if that's legal and you get a KO win, if you head kick someone, you land them in the back of the head, that's always happened. That's happened a hundred times. I don't know. It's weird, right? I mean, it's weird because, I mean, now we're playing with all these different rules and people don't like them. And it's just like, but I mean, you got to draw a line somewhere, I suppose. See if you can find Ernesto who's KO's Maury Smith. Less rules shows who's the better fighter at the end of the day. But there's some rules that I'm like, okay, but now you're getting an unrealistic understanding of a position.

2:09:01like when someone's in a turtle and you can't knee to the head. Yeah, to me, that one should be eliminated right away. You should be able to knee a guy in the head for that. Yeah, watch this. Look at that. Shit, there it is. Right at the back of the head? Yep. Watch that again. Is it in slow motion? Is that what it is? Watch how slick this is. Ernesto Ouse was such a beast. Look how close he is, too. Oh, man. See how close he was? Crazy. That was like Billy Jack. Look at that. Bro. Yep. That is nice. So if that happened in the UFC, everybody would cheer. you couldn't say, hey, that's an illegal blow.

2:09:34Right. Even though, technically, that's the spot where they can constitute illegal blow. Yeah, that's illegal. Yeah. That's illegal. And wheel kicks happen like that all the time. All the time, because it's coming from that angle from behind. Whipping around, the guy tries to duck under, hits him right in the back of the head, and no one complains. Yeah. It's weird. The referee never says, stop, nose striking in the back of the head. Never happens. Yeah. Ever. It's only when they're like turtled. On the ground. And they're throwing arm punches. Yeah. Yeah, which is the least powerful shot. Which is less powerful than a full kick to the head.

2:10:04But the reality is, if you were in that position and the guy could throw elbows to the back of the head, that would be a wrap. In that same position where you're on a guy's back and you're doing this kind of shit, instead, if you're just back of the head, boom, boom. Like Henzo just did. Right. Hey, man, what about headbutts? Right. Headbutts, not even standing up. Right. Like when I'm in a clinch and I'm buried in, it's good for short guys. Yeah. I fucking love it. No, no doubt. Am I getting that fucking clinch? Am I getting that clinch? Mark Coleman would get in your guard and headbutt the fuck out of you.

2:10:39And the only guy to solve that puzzle was Maury Smith. Maury Smith was the first guy to solve that puzzle. Ragged him out. Cardio. Cardio and defense off his back. Good butterfly guard. Mark Kerr murdered Fabio Gargell with headbutts, too. Bro, headbutts when you were on top is brutal. Yeah, I was at that Maury Smith fight. That was the first fight I ever went to. Really? The UFC fight I ever went to was in Birmingham, Alabama. Really? I was there, yeah. Wow. Bro, that was a huge upset. Yeah, I know. Big time. I was nervous. Everybody thought Cole Maurice would take him down. I was nervous. I was in the crowd rooting for Maurice Smith for obvious reasons.

2:11:13Well, I was friends. But I was the only one there rooting for Maurice Smith. I was friends with Maurice. Maurice came over to my house, worked out with him. I was cool with Maurice. Nice guy. So I was sad. I was like, oh, my God, Maurice is going to fight Mark Coleman. You think you're going to get killed? I was like, he's 260 pounds. He's a wrestler. He takes everybody down. And then when Maurice was leg kicking him, he said, come on, Mark. Ground me and pound me. Wap. Ground me and pound me. Wap. He was talking to him while he was doing it. And then when Mark would move towards me, move away.

2:11:43Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got my back in. Those leg kicks were brutal, too. Maurice was the first guy to bring, like, world-class leg kicks to the UFC. Yeah. World-class. Did the Lions then go? Actually, Pedro Hizzo. Yeah, Pedro Hizzo. Pedro Hizzo. Yeah. Paul Varlins. He had sick leg kicks. What's the Lions? Pete Pete Selle? Pete Drago Selle. Pete Williams? Pete Williams. He knocked him out. Who knocked him out first? I think Maurice beat him first. But Maurice beat him by decision, right? Wasn't it a five-round decision? I think it was a decision. I think it was a five-round he just beat him up. Pete Williams caught him with a kick.

2:12:19Pete Williams head kicked with shoes on. Yeah, the good old day. That's right. He had shoes Shoes on yeah, it was a well crazy sport man. I remember one of the first fights that I saw was this Japanese dude and Valigi and the Jap they were grabbing each other's like underwear like you could hold up They was giving him a wedgie I think the duty was fighting like was literally grabbing his shorts and like giving him a massive wedgie like during the fight Yeah, totally legal. It was totally legal in the UFC. It was bare knuckle back then too. The first The first fight I worked was bare knuckle. That was 97.

2:12:54I remember that. Vitor was the only guy that had gloves on. Was Vitor the first guy or Tank the first guy to wear gloves? Tank was one of the first guys, for sure. Tank might have been the first guy. I believe he was the first guy. And then Vitor wore him, too. Vitor was, you know, bro. At 19 years old and Vitor first fought in the UFC, tornado. He just ran across the air punch him. Like, holy shit, dude. I mean, definitely free Asada on that motherfucker. 100. He looked like the fucking Hulk. Well, not yet he didn't. When he first fought in the UFC, he only weighed 200 pounds. He was so fast.

2:13:29When he fought Scott Ferrozo, when he fought Trey Tellegman, he weighed 200 pounds. Then he gained tons of weight and fought Randy. And when he fought Randy, he was like 240. And that messed him up, too. He couldn't move. Oh, he was too big. Well, that was Randy got cut in that one, remember? No, that was a different one. That was in the UFC later on for the light heavyweight title. Yeah, he cut his eye early. So this is Trey Tellegman. and Trey Tellegman, if you're watching this, lost his check in a peck, rather, in a car accident when he was a baby. That's crazy. Oh, this is Brad Kohler. This is a different fight.

2:14:04What is going on here? Japan 1997. That's not Japan 1997. It's UFC 12, actually. Japan 1997 was when Frank Shamrock fought Kevin Jackson. Remember when he arm barred? Yeah. That was pretty crazy. This is a different card. It's Ultimate Japan 97. UFC 12 is the fight. I was just going off. You remember the number? Yeah. Randy looks older there than he does now. Peptides. It wasn't Japan, though. I just heard you say something about Japan in 1997. That's all I typed in. No. No, there's a Japanese fighter is what I said. He fought Baliji, Walid Ishmael. It was either UFC 12 or UFC 13. Walid Ishmael UFC.

2:14:58If you find that, you'll find it. And the dude was giving him a super wedgie. You were totally allowed to grab shorts. You could punch guys in the nuts. Keith Hackney punching Joe Son in his balls. Remember that? Dude, what about Gary Goodridge in The Crucifix? Oh, yeah. It's Paul Herrera. So here it is. Look what the dude's done to Luigi's pants. Luigi's pants. Jesus. All the way up the crack of his ass. Because the dude had a hold of his shorts earlier in the fight. I do remember his nap. Rather that be Mackenzie Dern he's giving the wedgie to. But here it is. Look at this, dude. Here it is.

2:15:33Bro. Oil check. Bro. That's what I'm saying. Look at that. Oh, my God. So this was my first UFC that I worked. Okay, so look. The Japanese guy has the gloves on as well. So Vitor had him on, but Luigi is bare knuckle. Look, you're allowed to grab it back then. Look at the Japanese guy has gloves, Valigi's bare knuckle. It's hilarious. Isn't that crazy? He's really grabbing his balls. He's up here grabbing his nuts. I think you could grab nuts. It's gotta be so uncomfortable. Look how he's grabbing a fence. It's like, yeah. Full on grabbing the fence. And Big John's trying to pry his hands away.

2:16:04He just grabs him again. He just don't even let go. At least back then I guess you couldn't grab the fence. So there was a rule. He's grabbing it again Look at the grab That's the most blatant footprints grabbing of all time I see ugly right there Bro, Big John Get on it, John Slap his hands away, John John, he's grabbing the fence It was like a suggestion back then It was not even a rule You allowed to grab the fence I think he knocked his hands away He was saying don't grab the fence But only like a little He's kind of not that enthusiastic about enforcing it And it was like as he was letting go already, he was like slapping his hand away.

2:16:42He grabbed it. Yeah, that was the first UFC I worked. The rules back then were so weird. Shoes, wrestling shoes. It's weird how you, you know, like wrestling shoes would change everything. You get so much more grip on the cage. So much more ability to move. Yeah. But the wrestlers would love it. More foot locks. Yeah, that would be a problem. Oh, heel hooks would be a real problem. When I first started training, I remember with Ku Kluk back in the day, he used to wear wrestling sneakers and stuff and I'm going to be like, you know, I wanted as much for the street as possible. I remember that was my mentality.

2:17:16So I'd wear the wrestling sneakers and I'm like, yo, fuck this. Guys are grabbing your foot. I'm like, yo, fuck that. It also like, even setting up arm bars and stuff like when you try to grab the foot and throw it over it, now you've got a grip on something that's like text, textile. Like you could hold on to that motherfucker. A foot is, foot's hard to hold on to. They get sweaty and shit. They're all slippery. Nah, no good. Yeah, when I hear Jens Pover, I was like, he going to wear shoes? Oh, word? That was, hey, Jamie, can you find Dean Thomas' rolling knee bar on Jens Pover? Oh, it was beautiful.

2:17:51I bet they don't even have that. I think Jamie can find that. Oh, it has to be online. Everything's online. Hey, Dean Thomas. Those fights, those old fights, I mean, those are history. I'm a shooter fighter, you know. I remember seeing that interview. You remember seeing it? I studied it because I was going to fight you. Oh. and I'm like ah try that kneeball on me motherfucker Jens Pulver had some laser beam punches back in the day. I know I remember when he knocked out John Lewis. I was like I gotta fight this guy. Sure that was a bad one Jens Pulver. You got him in his prime too yeah but I did not want that guy punching me.

2:18:22Yeah you can't be wearing shoes. Roll a kneeball yeah it's just too much too much of an advantage that was an old school one too. You did it almost like you give your back to him and you fucking rolled I think you should let him Look at this. Here it is. Look at this. Who is that fucking young slug? Look how it's lean. Oh, man. This is nasty. Inside heel hook and shoes. Inside heel hook with shoes on. That's a wrap. That's the worst. Tap, tap, tap. You should have tapped a long time ago. Thomas. Oh, my God. That must have hurt. Dude, Thomas. What did it feel like? Did you feel it bust? Oh, I heard all the pop.

2:18:55How bad was the injury? I don't know. I never called him afterwards, but. It had to be real bad, dude. It had to be real bad. with the shoes and everything. Like, my God. Look at that, Dean Thomas. Look how you rolled into that. That's so pretty. Look at you. Look at you right into the inside. Oh, my God. He knows he's fucksville. Oh, God. I heard it pop. You mean, Dean Thomas. Yeah, I heard that pop a few times afterwards. That's awesome, Dean. How good does that feel? It feels good, I can't. I've watched myself get knocked out by BJ Penn over and over and over for years. So, like, about time I get one.

2:19:31Come on, man. Those heel hook ones are the ones that while you're watching them, you're grabbing your knees. Yeah, you know. You're all ready. You're like, ugh. I hate them. I hate them with a passion. Yeah. Because they ruin your whole career. Hey, did you ever see a Kimura dislocate? Oh, yeah. That's just ugly, man. It's almost like you want to push it back in. You're like, ugh. Frank Mir. It's fucked, right? You see it? Oh, dude. Oh. Dude, in a straight jiu-jitsu tournament, I'd snap the dude's humorous just straight up key locks because he didn't tap. My coach is yelling, like, protect your fighter.

2:20:04Oh. Jesus. God, that's horrible. And you don't recover fully from that. He had to get surgery. Sounded like a pool stick snapping. Ah. I'll never forget the sound of Weidman. When Weidman. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's like a chalkboard. Never forget that sound. I remember that. That one was so loud. Against Uriah Hall. Yeah. I wasn't in the corner for that one. It was so loud. It was so loud. What are the chances Anderson does it to, you know, he does it to. Anderson and then it fucking happens to him right it's only had four guys in the UFC it's ever Conor you know Corey Hills the first one yeah I remember the Cori Hill one because the referee didn't see it and I put my headphones off I'm screaming stop the fight Stop the fight yes, did he yeah?

2:20:49Yeah Was it related to that no I think he has some kind of disease Some kind of like something bro a break of a bone is a traumatic injury like you have to understand There's such a difference between breaking your hand, which I think we've all done. I broke my arm when I was a little kid. Breaking your shin in half like that, it's such a traumatic injury. Stepping down on it and it just gives up. How about Frank Mir? Broke his femur in a car accident. A guy T-boned him on a motorcycle, snapped his thigh bone. But Frank wasn't the same for years. It took years for him to come back to full form again.

2:21:26That's rough, man. Rough. So this is the other question about Connor. How much can he use that left leg? His left leg snapped in half Okay, and he I see him kick in the bag and I see him doing all these things and that's great And I hope it's a hundred percent, but I mean I seen Chris Wyman kicking heck the Lombard

2:21:49Where I think it's only body punches and leg kicks you see what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, the jiu-jitsu thing in Russia. But it wasn't jiu-jitsu. But it is. They do jiu-jitsu too. Did they? Yeah. Yeah, they're allowed to leg kick and body punch. It was the oddest thing. It's the weirdest thing. I just saw Chris just kicking him in his body. And Hector was like punching him in the neck. I'm like, what the fuck kind of rules is this? It's crazy. I didn't know what I was watching. Those ones where the dudes stand next to each other and just leg kick each other into submission.

2:22:18Oh, yeah. That shit's pretty nasty. That's so crazy. Who does that? I don't know man, but there's a lot of those videos. It's almost as dumb as slap. I mean kind of almost because like you could really ruin your Like you don't understand like Pedro his oh like one of those kind of guys Could you imagine like doing that with Pedro here look at the damage his oh did the Randleman's leg And or should had a different vein pad Randy got done with him Ready to go to Earl. It was like six months for him to recover. Two fights. Earlier this year in an MMA fight. Goddamn, man. In a heavyweight fight. Oh, Jesus.

2:22:54Are we going out to eat later, man? Fuck. You're going to make me sick. It's a horrible, horrible injury, man. I hate those things, man. And I know how hard Chris kicks. Longo was like backstage. He was killing the pads. It was hard to hold them. That's such a great impression. And fucking. And fucking. Then he went out there and Jesus. Wogan's making me feel bad for being 68. Oh, yeah. He was telling me. He's so funny. And then he was asking about a peptide. I have to text him later. He's the best. You two together, I swear to God, it should be a show. Come on. It should be a show. It's just fucking follow him around.

2:23:29Yeah, just follow you guys around, follow you to the pizza place. I've seen it yesterday. It'd be a great fucking show. It'd be a great fucking show. Kidding me. It really would. You get one of them keeping up with Kardashians people who know how to do a reality show, filmed the two of you guys together hanging out, drinking coffee, talking shit, training fighters. Oh, a thousand percent. Yeah. Epic. I mean. Don't wait too long. He's getting older. And also, think about how many guys you've worked with, like super high-level guys like Aljo and Marab and, you know, just that. And Weidman. Being with them.

2:23:58And Weidman. Being with them at the UFCs. Yeah. It would be a great fucking show. Are you kidding me? We have a good time. Who's best to have mics on in the corner than those two? Come on. Guys are the best. It's so funny. I like that comedians are making comedies again. I'm looking at this is Harlan Williams. He put a gourd in his underwear. I love that guy. With the fake legs. His movie Wingman is funny. He's funny in everything he does. I miss those. Him and Nasty Nate. You know what it is? These comedians are now funding it themselves. Theo Vaughn and David Spade did Busboys. Tom Segura's doing a bunch of shows like that.

2:24:44Theo and David Spade did one together. Theo's real life Joe Dirt. I like that they're just doing it where they don't have to get okayed by anybody. And the other one, I always feel like how to fucking be in a cult. How to start a cult. With the Greek guy. The heavy set Greek guy. Stavros? Yeah, that's a funny one dude that one's me. I won't make me fucking He's from Baltimore and he does a Baltimore Ravens fan after every win or loss during the season Like you have to fucking see because it's fucking hilarious very funny dude Yeah, man. I like this. It's a good time for comedy because this is like pushback Yeah, you know when there's pushback then people get excited when someone doesn't give into it They make up make their own shit But if you want to try to make a comedy movie with a studio You have to deal with so many people telling you what you can and can't say you're way better off just doing it on your own Like they don't really know what funny is they're trying to protect their job They have a mercy man.

2:25:44They were cranking them out for a while. They're like Talladega nights I'm a fucking Tropic Thunder. You know what happened the fucking internet happened people started complaining in real life Like you know it started these morons online started affecting the way people view comedy So ridiculous. It's the meanwhile didn't affect the way we view violence, which is crazy like you could have a super hyper violent movie and nobody has a problem yeah right now it's the dumbest shit of all time but if you have some crazy like if you tried to make a movie like uh like super bad fucking hilarious to try to make that today couldn't make it you couldn't make it tell or tropic thunder try to make tropic thunder make it fucking robert downey jr straight and blackface straight and black and then ben stiller full retard Yeah, I asked him I said do you think Robert Downey jr.

2:26:34I said do you think you could make that movie today? He goes Oh, you could make

2:26:4280s comedy Guys trying to get late. I mean the premise alone is not gonna make it You know what I mean? It's funny man. It's like we're allow the most hyper violent movies and celebrate them oh this is awesome like I just watched Collateral again the other day oh what a fucking that's an awesome movie we watched a scene in one of the episodes we did we watched that scene where he shoots those guys in the alley and I got so into it I go I need to watch that movie again fuck yeah sick movie but hyper violent it is a movie that everybody says is a wonderful movie yeah really good but comedy really enjoyed it let's make you laugh yeah but doesn't it like isn't it like spoilers like I don't want to spoil it but like doesn't Jamie Foxx kill him or something at the end Well, in the end, he dies.

2:27:27Well, I mean, he dies somehow, but isn't it kind of unbelievable that he kills the master assassin, the taxi driver? I think he wanted to die. I think when you kill a bunch of people over a long period of time. Oh, it's one of those? It's deeper than that? I didn't see it. You wait for your turn. You know, it's supposed to be Russell Crowe and Adam Sandler in that movie? Whoa. Originally. Are you serious? Yeah. That's crazy. Interesting. I think one of them dropped off. Yeah, right. That's interesting. I'll tell you what. Tom Cruise was good. Phenomenal. He's pretty much good in that. They say they use that clip of him in that alley for training like CIA motherfuckers it was that clean Hey, do you know the scene?

2:28:01No. Oh, my favorite scenes Jamie pull it up. Oh my favorite one of my favorite scenes in any movie idiots Yeah, I love a good tactical draw because I love I love a guy who practices. What's the end? It's underrated It's a fucking it's a live die repeat. It's yes The Tom Cruise one the science fiction movie. It might have been called something else, but Edge of Tomorrow What is it? Edge of Tomorrow? Yes Is that the space ride? It was really good. It kept coming back, coming back. This is a scene. So Jamie Foxx is strapped to the car. He's zip-tied him to the steering wheel and took the keys. That's fine.

2:28:36But you can't have a bunch of guys trying to get laid. That's unrealistic. You're sending a bad message. Spring break. I never thought of it that way, actually. It's ridiculous. The comedians rebuttal to it. you know, to not being able to make the movies they want to make. Well, it's only empowered the clubs. Like clubs are packed. Yeah. Everybody wants, cause you go like, you go to the mothership, you're going to hear some wild shit. Right. People want to laugh. They don't, nobody, it doesn't mean you mean what you're saying. Right, right, right. It's just, it's a joke. Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff.

2:29:10Right. Okay. It's like, what you're doing is fucking around. We all know, we've always been talking shit. Talking shit has been a natural part of humans. We talk shit, we joke around. And the idea that that's supposed to be up to someone's standards or someone else's parameters of what you can and can't talk. Fuck you. Fuck you. Just don't go. Just don't go watch it. Tom Brady roast kind of brought it back. In a big way. Yeah, in a big way. Yeah, the Tom Brady roast, I think, cracked the egg. Because that thing got like 55 million views on Netflix alone within the first week. Joe, can I get that water, please?

2:29:44Are people still getting canceled now? I think it's kind of past. I think it doesn't work. You can't because everybody can just put your own stuff on. You can just do your own stuff. It's also when people get canceled, people just flock to those people now. It makes them more popular. Look at Kanye. Kanye is selling out the biggest fucking places in the world doing pop-up shows. He's doing arena pop-up shows. He just did one in Miami a couple weeks ago. My son went to it. He's doing one this weekend in San Antonio. Really? Just pop-up show. Tony Hinchcliffe just went to the one in Tampa. He said it was insane.

2:30:16This is the greatest show he's ever seen in his life. he's on top of a world he's standing on top of a globe yeah and like it's spinning while he's up there doing two and a half hours of bangers yeah like you you realize tony goes you realize how many hits this guy has who is it kanye mother oh kanye shit otherwise known as yay yeah that's right easy yeah no one wants to do a versus battle against kanye he's gonna eat you up he's so prolific yeah it's and like tony said like every aspect of the show he produced so every sound has a like a purpose every lighting effect it's all coordinated he said it's amazing he's like a gene he's a genius legit crazy is fucking a shithouse rat it's like but that's how you have you know he's out there i mean but most creative people 100 you know they're coming from a different you don't get that good yeah by being normal right like he's too good but i mean normal's overrated the guy comes back from wearing a diamond encrusted swastika to selling out the biggest arenas in the world he has a song called Heil Hitler a year later he's selling out the biggest arenas in the world like instantaneously do you know while that he's the goat like no one's even close he's like one of the greatest performers of all time yeah but no one's even close like with the stuff that he does like you compare it to his contemporaries like he's yeah he's so far ahead of everybody else yeah Prince was like a two it's all the hits he had and all the hits he's written for people.

2:31:46Yeah, man. When that Freddie Gray shit happened in Baltimore, he called the city and wanted to do like a benefit concert or whatever. And I was able to go to it. And at one point on the stage, he's doing all these songs, and he goes, God damn, I forgot all the good shit I did. And then he kept going. But the best story was on Soundcheck, like he tunes, everything's got to be the way he wants it. and uh jay-z beyonce and i don't know somebody else i don't know who the third person was but they were going to come and be part of it so they asked him if he could come he's like yeah sure so when they came they started to go on stage for sound check and a friend of mine at the building said prince like whoa what are you doing up on the fucking stage and they're like oh you know we want to get our shit straight and he goes no this is my shit you want to come and be a part of it fine And if not get the fuck off the stage.

2:32:41Whoa, and they fuck you know, they walked in and left and got out of there But you got to be careful with other stars because they do like the metal. Yeah, I wouldn't like this And that dude, you know shit was getting done how he wanted it done A hundred percent has to be he was too good. Yeah, he's a fucking genius I remember the guitar solo he did at the rock and roll. Oh my god. He could do anything Yeah, he could play any musical instrument used to play all the musical instruments and he could play basketball yeah did you watch that Michael Jackson I saw it did you watch it? I did yeah I thought it was good Ray liked it you didn't see it yet?

2:33:21I didn't see it but Longo watched it and then he told me I mean it's a good thing I guess after he's seen it he goes he didn't touch any kids I'll tell you right now he didn't fucking touch any kids so I'm like what long ago so I didn't want to know your thoughts on it that's hilarious his father was fucked up yeah his father was fucked up it's a good movie and the guy who played it his nephew nailed it nailed my my family loved it my wife my kids they loved it I didn't see it though it's a cautionary tale the Michael Jackson story is like when kids get that famous no one can handle it that's what that is there's also the weirdness of the doctor saying that he was chemically castrated.

2:34:08His doctor, the same guy that killed him. The same guy that killed him with the prophenol, the guy that put him to sleep with anesthesia. That guy said that when he was young, his father chemically castrated him to preserve his voice. Are you serious? No. They didn't get into that part. Which totally makes sense. When you look at him in comparison to all the other guys in his family, he's really thin. He has no testosterone. I never really thought about that. All the brothers are all big men. They're men. You look at Jermaine. They're big men. He's really thin, and he kept that high-pitched voice.

2:34:40When you listen to some of his human nature, listen to human nature, that voice is insane. We can't play it on the show, but Jamie, play Human Nature by Michael Jackson real quick. Why did Varys get plump on Game of Thrones when he cut off his balls? Well, I don't think that was real. you can still get fat but you can't you know you don't get muscle like you don't have any testosterone it's gone you probably weren't feeding that guy either to keep him thin so he could dance well also he's probably performing every night so he's burning off shit tons of calories if they put a Fitbit on that dude the amount of steps that he's taking dude it's pretty crazy like a front man for a band fucking running they're doing all night long we're gonna play this song Human Nature.

2:35:28Ooh, the official music video. Oh, man. That voice, I don't think you get that voice from a man. No. A regular man that has his testicles. How do you chemically castrate somebody? The same way that they do it with puberty blockers that they use on kids. No, like when they do puberty blockers, that's what puberty blockers do. What they're doing is they're just blocking all of your testosterone production. And so they used to do it to criminals. So if they had a sex offender that was they would castrate them. I'm all for that. Yeah. Chop their dicks off. Just eliminate them. We just eliminate them.

2:36:04Yeah, man. They should be eliminated. But the chemically castration thing they used to do with opera singers. They called them castratos, but not chemically castrated. They used to use a knife. They used to chop their balls off when they were young. Damn. So that they could sing like a woman. It was a very haunting sound. Like, there's only one recording of a castrato that's from, like, Jimmy, when was it from? Like, the 1800s? I don't know. I don't know. There's one recording of a guy singing that had no balls. And then they do it to him when they're really young. They do it to him when they're kids.

2:36:36No kidding. Yeah, like your family sells you off to some opera, and they slice your balls off and keep you that way forever. Man. Crazy. Damn. Yeah. And the sound. Find that castrato recording. The sound is haunting, man. You hear the guy singing and he creeps you out. You're like, oh my God, this guy was a little boy and they cut his balls off so he could sing like this. Oh, that's so, ugh. Yeah, and I think that's what they did to Michael Jackson. Well, at least that's what the doctor says. It makes sense to me. I mean, it makes sense. Like, even watching the movie, how hard his father was on him and how much he demanded of him.

2:37:13Oh, man, you're going to creep us out now? Listen to this guy's voice. Okay. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's depressing. But we know that that was an actual process. That was an actual practice that really did chop boys' balls off so they could sing better. Went from happy human nature to sound like somebody was fucking dying. I know. It's really nuts if you think about the horrible things that people are willing to do. It's not disproving it or anything. It's just a guy saying he went to search where they were doing it. And I think he said he was having very trouble, a lot of trouble finding a lot of information.

2:37:45About castratos? Yeah, and where they did it or how they did it. But they hide that. I was chopping nuts off. Oh, yeah. Let me take you to the lab. We'll show you what we do with the balls. Are you doing those peptides? Many eunuchs were castrated after puberty, and thus castration had no effect on their voices. Oh, that's a eunuch, though. Well, that's just puberty. Oh, after puberty, then, yeah. Right. So you got to catch them young. Yeah, right. You got to catch them before they grow their nuts. That's so horrible. I guess it goes back to 400 AD. Boy, Constantinople. Boy, who came up with that idea?

2:38:27I have an idea. Right? I mean, how many of them died from an infection from getting their nuts chopped off, you know? Probably a lot. Back then, they didn't even know what fucking cooties were. They had no idea. Yeah, they didn't clean the night. Yeah. No. Disgusting. It started off as a punishment. It wasn't a choice. And then they realized these guys sing really nice in prison. It's kind of cool. That's only this one minute. They sing in the shower. I really like it. Oh, mine. Gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. As always. We always have such a good time. Hell yeah. Matt, how are you feeling? What are you talking?

2:39:07Why me? Why out of everybody are you asking me? 100 milligrams. Hey. You all right? Handle like a boss? Like a boss. Give me another. Your eyes are a little thin. I was going to say, a little Chinese eyes. My Italian paisan. Guys. You handled it. I had a great time. It's always fun. Let's go eat. Let's go eat. Is it Italian? We can go wherever we want. But what did you want? Did you want to do Italian? Well, let's cut this off. All right. Matt Serra, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Matt Serra channel on YouTube. That too. Yeah. Subscribe. Train at Matt's gym. Yeah, he could come there too, but subscribe to that thing.

2:39:49Subscribe to that? Yeah. Ground Control? Yep, GroundControlUSA.com has all the locations. We just opened in Stewart, Florida. And ShogunFights.com, next show is November 14th. Dean Thomas, fight expert slash movie producer. Slash. Deep Waters every Monday. Myself, Jorge Masvidal, Chris Weidman, and Dustin Poirier. Monday at noon, Deep Waters on Paramount+. And your film. and my film Flowers it's coming out soon I loved it I loved it I loved it phenomenal ending gentlemen we did it another one thank you guys bye everybody