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24:49Skin tone, essentially. And they went as far to say that they're going to cleanse the country. Yikes. That's some Nazi sounding stuff right there. Yeah, essentially. So back in the days, the Dominican Republic had, I mean, I'm sure I'm going to catch a flag from Dominican bots for saying this. I'm the one who's going to catch the flag. They will know how to reach you probably. They're going to come after me. Don't worry about it. But essentially, there were some very close ties with the Nazi regime because they had similar ideas. by keeping the population pure, keeping it white, keeping it non-Black, non-Haitian, essentially.

25:25And then at the end, 15 ,000 Haitians died from a genocide that happened from the Dominican Republic. Tell me why the Dominican Republic is white and Haiti is Black. Because, look, I'm just an outsider. I know that Black people live in Haiti. Okay, that I get. I've got friends from the DR. I mean, they look all kinds of different. I mean, some of them look Black. Some of them look straight up Hispanic. Some of them look Indian. Some of them I can't put my finger on. It's just a big mix. White, though, I don't know, man. They don't look, nobody's as pasty as me down there. So it's, you know, if we go back a little bit, right, in terms of colonization, with France and Spain, the two had different policies in terms of how they interacted with the natives or the slaves who came into the country, right?

26:11France saw it as we're separate and we're never going to mix. Sure, there were still mulattoes. some people had relationships with slaves and they had kids. But on paper, you are not going to mix with somebody who's black. And that's how it was. So fast forward to today, 95 % of Haitians, 95 % of population in Haiti is black. Now, with the Dominican Republic, Spain had a different policy. For Spain, they saw it as we're going to cleanse, we're going to give you all whiteness, We're going to give you civilization in a sense, right? And we're going to cleanse you. So that's why on the other side of the island, even people who are darker, you can still sell kind of like Southeast Asian or like a darker tone that's not exactly like West African tone.

27:03And that's essentially how it happened because they were, the Spanish intermingled with the natives and also the Africans that were living there. And that's how the skin tone became very different. So France, again, had different, very, very different policies in terms of like race mixing, essentially. Gotcha. Then later on, a century or two later, the DR says, hey, look, there's too many Haitians here. We're getting too dark. And then that's what kicked off this sort of, I guess, genocide of Haitians living in the Dominican Republic. I know Haiti did invade the DR. I think that was a long time before that, though, in the early 1900s.

27:38And that was also kind of brutal. And I think that was kind of the idea like, hey, if we invade this other half of Hispaniola, we can use them to help pay this debt to France. I think that was part of the idea there too. Yeah, there are multiple different scenarios around that. Part of it said DR had slavery at some point, and then they wanted to go back to free the slaves or abolish slavery. Another part says, strategically, to prevent any incoming attack to Haiti, because France was still looming around, they needed to take over the other side of the island to protect themselves, to know what was happening.

28:12And there are many ways to look at it. I mean, historically, it's not clear as to why that happened, but there are multiple plausible reasons as to why it went down. It could be for the debt. It could be strategically to defend Haiti, or it could be to abolish slavery on the entire island. I see. That makes sense. The Dominican Republic now, I think, is five to eight times wealthier than Haiti. I looked up some stats. Haiti, 58 % of people live on$3 a day or less than$3 a day, I should say. Access to water and electricity is more in line with what you might see in Africa and a place like Uganda.

28:47And this is sad because I know now the Dominican Republic is building a wall between these two, right? Because it's just a big land border, right? Or is there a river or something there? But it's pretty easy to get across from one to the other, correct? Yeah. So the river between Haiti and Dominican Republic is called the Massacre River, which is where the genocide happened. Wow. And there is a wall that's been partly built recently. And honestly, that whole wall is pretty much like rhetoric for elections, because it all started after Trump mentioned that he was going to build a wall in Mexico, like build a wall, build a wall.

29:22And then Dominican politicians took up the same idea and it started, you know, nationalizing, rallying people up, say, we want to build a wall to keep the Haitians out, to keep the bad Haitians out. Right. And economically, the Dominican Republic is way further ahead than Haiti. From a democracy standpoint, they have multiple elections back to back, no issues, but they haven't had the same issues that Haiti had. They've had to fight for their own freedom, in a sense. And they also had to deal with some dictatorships as well. But it wasn't in a way that it was intentional against them to prevent them from growing.

29:59And even now, the DR benefits widely from partnerships with Spain, the U.S. It's a major security partner with the U.S. And also the war against drugs plays a big role into that part, which creates a space for foreign investment. It's a Democrat in public where Haiti doesn't really have that. Right. Yeah. Haiti's been too unstable to get foreign investment. Nobody wants to invest in a place that has tons of coups. I mean, actually, dictatorships are pretty good for foreign investment because they're really stable. Well, until they're not. That is true. Until they're not. Until they're not. But like Haiti's had coup, dictator, coup, dictator, coup, dictator comes back from before.

30:38Like, that's a bit much and it becomes hard to invest in. But building a wall, I mean, that's kind of a sad deal. You're almost going to have a DMZ like North and South Korea being built in 2024. And you'd like to think we're over this nonsense? Or do you think the wall is just never going to happen? It's going to be like an election. It's going to be a bunch of concrete. No, I mean, they started the wall. To me, it's a propaganda, probably propaganda operation going on. Just because, I mean, even recently, the last election that happened a few weeks ago, the issue with Haitians was used as a way to rally votes.

31:12Whoever can go the toughest against Haitians usually would win. And the current president was reelected. And his stance was, we're going to deport every single Haitian. But the thing is, what most people don't know is that the whole deportation process, it's a racket in a way. If you're a Haitian person, whether or not you have your papers or not, we catch you on the street, we just take you, we deport you. and then the same agent who's deporting you now charges you a thousand bucks to come back in then now they know you can get a thousand bucks they're mostly gonna keep gonna take you again to deport you and then bring you back so it's the whole racket that's happening at the moment and at the same time sure there are Haitians in the in the demographic that are illegal but for majority of the time it's most people have visas and it's just a matter of like intimidation a lot of Haitians right now are saying that they want to go back.

32:05They want to leave the Republican Republic because it becomes a place where if you have a business and somebody just comes in and then robs you, you can't go to the police because you're not respected. They're not going to listen to you. Huh. That's horrific. All right. So let's get more modern on the Haitian side here. A couple of years ago, I heard that the president of Haiti was assassinated and it was almost, I mean, it was quite dramatic. It was almost par for the course for Haiti, but tell us what happened here because it's still kind of an unsolved mystery, I think, at least according to news sources.

32:38I assume you have a good idea whom you think probably did it, but I'm curious what went down with this. So the president of Moise came into power. He was a had an election, not very popular. I mean, didn't have a huge turnout, but he still won the election. He campaigned on the sense, it was called the, kind of like the plantain, they call him the nek banan, which meant the guy who's going to plant, like repopulate banana trees all around Haiti to feed people. And that's the campaign that he ran on. And when he came into power, he pretty much took money, like a corruption kind of way. He took money from the government.

33:16It took money from people that he wasn't in the same party with. However, once he came in, he kind of like, hey, I'm going to flip now. I'm going to be good. I'm going to report you guys. I'm going to shut down crime. I'm going to fight corruption. They're like, well, that's not what we give you the money for. And fast forward, you would see he had a huge amount of protests in Haiti. He went after the private sector, which didn't go very well. And fast forward, you have this doctor in Florida. who has this idea to take over the country. A doctor in Florida? Is he a Haitian guy that lives in Florida?

33:53He's a Haitian doctor in Florida. Okay. Haitian American doctor in Florida. And he had this idea to, he's going to get a few mercenaries, fly into Haiti, arrest the president, and then take over power. And then that plan slowly turned into, well, we're going to go into Haiti, arrest them, but wait, no, we're going to kill them. Wow. Taking Florida man to a whole new level. That's crazy. Exactly. And so what they did was they reached out to somebody who had connections in Colombia, and they recruited a few dozen mercenaries, and they went to Haiti. Well, they flew to the Dominican Republic. They stayed there for a couple of weeks, and then they went into Haiti.

34:33And a lot of money went into this mission. Till this day, they still can't find, or not can't, but they still won't disclose where the money went because they had new cars that were bought in Haiti. They had new weapons, new equipment. Now, there's a security firm in Florida that also provided money to fund this operation. A lot of them were arrested already or have been convicted for life for multiple decades. And the night of, they show up to the president's house and said that they are DEA agents here to arrest the president for drug offenses. And the police, not knowing what's happening, the security guard not knowing what's happening.

35:12And there's also a belief that the president's private security or security guards were a part of it too. Because out of all the people who were there, the president is the only one who got hurt. Oh. And who got killed. Right. I take that back. His wife got shot. Yeah, that counts. His wife got shot, but he's the only one who died. And he was tortured before he died. They broke his arms. They broke his skull. They gouged an eye out. Jeez. It wasn't like a just show up and they just shot him like point blank. He actually suffered. And they went into his room looking for a list. So he was putting together a list of drug dealers in Haiti that he was going to report to the DEA.

35:54And they went into the house looking for that list. And I mean, his wife speaks about this. She says when they went to the room, they were looking for a list. When they found it, they called someone to confirm. Like, hey, look, we have the list. He's dead. Mission accomplished. And they left. And on their way out, that's when all hell broke loose. Honestly, while he wasn't a popular president, a lot of people from the impoverished neighborhood really liked him. Because he's from that neighborhood. He's from those. He spoke their language. They adored him, in a way. And on top of that, you're a foreigner coming into a country to kill all president.

36:32Yeah. It didn't go well for them. Well, most of them were captured. Some of them got away, but essentially they were all captured. Wow. That is a huge... And there's this sort of ongoing investigation, but nobody's really talking about it for whatever reason. Yeah. There's some suspicious circumstances around it. Like the prime minister was assigned and then this happens days later. Yeah, that's the thing too, because the person who was leading this operation to kill the president called the prime minister. Well, he was a prime minister at the time, but called him before and after the incident happened.

37:05And he's still not arrested. There's still no evidence as far as like to say what exactly they talked about. But it is a pretty high suspicion to say that this person who just did this called you right after this happened. What are you talking about? What was the conversation? Yeah, that's us. So there's still a lot of mystery around this. I still believe that there are more people out there who are responsible for this. But he did not have a lot of friends. He didn't have a lot of people to look out for him. Again, even people closest to him also turned on him as well. Once again, a portion of the proceeds from this episode go to the children of Haiti.

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38:04Now for the rest of my conversation with Wolf Pemphiel. I know I mentioned before that Haiti is one of the most densely populated countries in the world. I think it's the most densely populated country in the Western Hemisphere, which makes it much more vulnerable to natural disasters along with the deforestation issue. There's no trees to stop storms and keep things from eroding and things like that. A lot of people probably heard about in 2010, there was this massive earthquake that also created a power vacuum in chaos. Do you remember the damage on that? I mean, I don't have figures for this, but I just remember hearing about how massive and horrific it was.

38:40Yeah, it was a horrible day. It was a horrible day because in the blink of an eye, over 300 ,000 people died. And I mean, not to count people who died after from complications and injuries and things like that. 300 ,000 people. I mean, Almost half of the Haiti's population resides in Port-au-Prince, which makes it an island of 11 million people. And I would say about 40 to 50 percent of them live in Port-au-Prince. It's packed. And they're not properly built. And this lack of infrastructure, lack of laws to prevent people from building a certain way. Building codes. Building codes. People are more conscious of that now because they see the devastation that can come from an earthquake.

39:23but still back then it was just nothing that we've ever thought of you know we've had hurricanes we've had all types of things but earthquake was something that never in a million years thought about but yeah it killed a lot of people it set haiti back i think like decades from that devastation i heard a lot of kids were orphaned and essentially like sold to people or taken away from people because they were just left without parents i mean it's just like a really super horrifying situation. I think right around that, I can't say that for sure that a lot of kids were sold or things like that because I don't have the facts.

40:03But what I can say is that there are people who were arrested right around that time because they saw it as a vulnerable time to go in and then abduct kids from Haiti. And there were people who went in saying that they want to adopt kids and then essentially they were just trying to take them to traffic them. Yeah. So there were actual arrests around that. Yeah. But as far as like selling or anything like that, it just wasn't as clear. But I do know there were people arrested for child trafficking. Child trafficking. Yeah, that's what I heard. I guess I just assumed that trafficking involves selling them.

40:34But you're right. I guess there's a distinction there. Okay. So let's talk about the gang warfare because I hear that there's like roadblocks and checkpoints so that goods can't go from the port to cities. You hear about all these kidnappings, like they'll grab 19 missionaries or whatever and try and hold them for ransom. why are the gangs in charge? What happened here? So back in when Aristide came into power, he pretty much rallied the gangs to support him, right? And he provided weapons to a lot of the inner cities, provided weapons, money, as his quote-unquote army, in a way, similar to what the Divyae did with the Makuts.

41:14And fast forward now, when he left, that method became a blueprint for both politicians that followed him and also the economic sector, like the private sector. And essentially the gangs, similar to what's happening in Africa or around the world where there's like proxy wars happening, the gangs became proxy armies where they were fighting for people. If I'm a senator and I have XYZ plan, I just say, hey, they send weapons, go against this other gang who support that senator. Or if I have a business and let's say I'm in bottling business and there's a new competition on the market that potentially could put me out of business, say, hey, go put this guy out of business, burn his trucks, burn everything, prevent him from selling anything and support me.

42:06So now we have two camps that are flying in weapons to support these gangs. And it's how we have this monstrous issue now where they all are now self-sufficient in a way. That's crazy. I thought the gangs just arose on their own out of desperation. I didn't realize politicians and business people were actually funding them and arming them to wield them against their competitors. That's a really bad idea. I mean, actually, right now, there are dozens of business wealthy billionaires in Haiti who were sanctioned by Canada, the United Kingdom, the U.S. for that specific thing. Those sanctions started happening in 2022, right when things started spiraling.

42:44And it's a known fact to see countries actually implementing sanctions against people, against former senators, against current senators, against politicians and also wealthy business owners. You would like, oh, why this person is worth a billion being sanctioned by Canada for human rights issues? Yeah. And then when you really dig deeper, that's essentially if you're providing weapons and drugs to these gangs and they're killing people, but your business is profiting. You know, essentially, that's how we got here. So it seems like some of these folks have lost control of these gangs because they're not just fighting the bottling company or the rival senator, right?

43:24They're kidnapping missionaries. There's a guy they call Barbecue. I assume it's not because he makes great chicken. Tell me about this guy. Barbecue is a former police officer. And he was fired after a massacre that happened in a small neighborhood called La Saline, where 70 people died, around 70 people died. And he was one of the lead police officers that oversaw this operation. And he was fired. And essentially, he started the gang called, I'm not sure how to say it in English, but he started that gang. And then fast forward, he rallied all of them together. and barbecue got his name from burning houses and burning people, quote unquote, making barbecue out of them.

44:06And that's pretty much how, you know, he got his fame. He's not really eating them, is he? Or is that part of it? I don't know. You don't know? I don't know. Honestly, it's all a fear. They speak about that because, you know, that's the worst thing that could possibly happen to a human, right? One of the worst that could possibly happen. So they use that as like a fear tactic to scare people. But I don't believe that they're actually eating people. But I think it's just called G9, right? Isn't that G9? Just G9. G9, yes. G9, yeah. So G9, whatever that is. There's G9 and then there's G-Pep. They used to fight against each other, but now they're all friends.

44:39Crazy. And thousands of people are getting killed in this gang warfare. Recently, there was a missionary and I think his wife, and they were young and they grew up, I think in Haiti, or at least he did, and they were killed outside of a church in just what looks like a random robbery. So these gangs are not, it's not like they're under the control of the person who's funding and arming them and they just sit around waiting for orders. They cause pure chaos in the meantime. Yeah. Well, right now, I mean, the gangs are on their own, essentially. I see. Right. Whatever was started by politicians or business elites is no longer that.

45:10It's kind of spiraled into its own thing and where the gangs have their own operations. They have their own drug trafficking routes from Latin America into Haiti that they're monitoring, gun trafficking routes, human trafficking as well. And the one thing that's bubbling under the surface is like the black market organs that are being sold from Haiti. Wow. And you see people go missing and they show up with missing body parts. It's a little, it's scary, but they have their own ways of generating income. And they also do a lot of kidnapping where somebody like the missionaries that we're talking about that were held by Amfite Law Minosah, and he's on the top 10 for the FBI at the moment.

45:50And he recently did an interview with CNN where he showed his house. This most wanted guy did an interview with CNN? Yeah. Wow. They drove to his house. He showed them around the neighborhood. And there he is on CNN giving up an interview. But the thing is, Vite Long, which makes him even more of a daring individual or even crazy because he controls the same neighborhood that the U.S. embassy is in. Even recently, I mean, the two young missionaries that died a few weeks ago in Haiti, they were like early 20s. Yeah. They died. he pretty much helped negotiate to get them back because he's that guy wow and it's in a sense that you can't really maneuver without in a way negotiating with them but i mean i'm very interested to see how this will end to be honest with you because this can be a way where the gangs you know you're forced to negotiate with gangs or yeah in a way trying to live life with them as like a norm.

46:51And I would say most Haitians are looking forward to this chapter ending. What is the path out of this? Because a lot of people have opted to emigrate, right? They go to Colombia or they go to the Dominican Republic first and foremost, right? Because it's on the same island. They emigrate, they go to Colombia. A lot of people go from Colombia and then through the Darien Gap and through Panama, up through Mexico and into the United States. Or if they can get access to a boat, they just try to go to Florida or wherever as well and get to the United States. But for those who aren't, I mean, the whole country can't leave.

47:23Now they got this Kenyan police force coming in. What's the deal with this? Because I think a lot of people haven't heard about this. And also, do you think it's going to work? I mean, in a situation where there's only, there aren't that many options to begin with, right? So in March, the former prime minister went to Kenya to sign that same agreement with the Kenyan police and the Kenyan president. And on his way back to Haiti, the gangs locked him out. they said the airport is closed, the ports are closed, you're not coming back. And he was forced to resign from that. And since then, we didn't have a prime minister.

47:56And fast forward, they established this transitional council, they call it the presidential council, where major political parties came together, nine of them. And it's a big deal, actually, for Haiti. It's a very big deal in the sense that you have nine groups that were previously against each other and had selfish reasons to exist or to move their own way. And now they all agreed to work together for Haiti to move forward, right? And they're all voting together. They all recently, they voted for a new prime minister, now Mr. Coney, who just started this week. And that's a big deal because it wasn't just one person making a decision or it wasn't the US or Canada making the decision saying like, this is who we want to be president.

48:39But you guys, or this group of nine people. I mean, two of them don't have voting rights, but at least they're part of the table of the conversation and say, this is who we want to govern Haiti temporarily until we can get to elections. So tell me about this Kenyan police force that's going into Haiti. So the Kenyan police force, previously, we had the, right after IRC, there was a minister, which was a UN peacekeeping mission that went into Haiti for similar reasons, for to deal with the gangs, to deal with instability. And fast forward, we're right back where we are today. The former prime minister asked the international community for support.

49:18And the U.S. didn't want to get involved. The U.N. said they're not sending soldiers. So essentially, Kenya volunteered to lead this mission in a way. It's not a U.N. mission, but it's a U.N. The U.N. gave like a stamp of approval. So like, hey, we acknowledge this mission. You can move forward. But we're not liable for anything, in a sense. Which is what makes it very complicated. Because essentially, the people leading this mission is Kenya and other smaller countries that are contributing soldiers to it as well. Well, it's still a bit unclear what the goal actually is, what they actually will be doing.

49:54The one thing that is clear is that they won't be going to fight the gangs directly. Oh, they won't. Okay. They won't. And they are going to protect critical infrastructures from what's been relayed to us. They're going to protect critical infrastructure while they allow the Haitian police to focus directly on the gangs themselves. That tactic may change eventually. I'm not sure. But currently, that's the message that they're putting out is that they won't be the leading force against the gangs and they won't be the ones going through the small neighborhoods and dealing with the terror there. Who's going to do that?

50:28That's a good question. Because essentially, from a security perspective, one of my colleagues was giving a presentation the other day. His name is Jeffsky, Jeffsky.c. And he made a good point. He said, Haiti currently has an army. There's a police force. They're capable of handling this situation if they had the proper equipment and enough people to do it. Right. However, we're spending over 500 million dollars to bring Kenya into Haiti to train them to deal with Haiti's gangs. And when they leave, the Haitian police and the Haitian army are still understaffed or still not trained. So why not focus directly on that and to have a sustainable growth, sustainable, sustainable development and security?

51:13So that's what a lot of Haitians are upset about, to be honest, because like, well, we're here. Why can't you invest in us? Yeah. You know? Now, will this work? It's yet to be seen, but a lot of us are optimistic. And, you know, it is one of the avenues to dealing with the gangs. It may not be the most ideal, but at the crossroad that we're in right now, it is one of the best solutions that we have to move forward with. Man. So when's the last time you went back to Haiti? Because it seems like it's quite dangerous. I don't know. I mean, are you afraid to go back? Is it safe to go back? Or is it mostly Port-au-Prince?

51:46I'm not afraid to go back to Haiti. I didn't grow up in Port-au-Prince My father's from Port-au-Prince Right But I'm not afraid to go back to Haiti I can't go to my town anytime The last time I went was in 2014 Well, like I said, most of my family left Haiti So if I visit Haiti, it's mostly going to be like a You know, on my own or for business reasons Yeah, there's no fear to go to Haiti Because it's not I don't know, it's a territory that I know I mean, I'm not going to be stupid Yeah And then flying to Port-au-Prince and just like You know Yeah Yeah. I'm from New York. Kidnapped me for ransom.

52:19Exactly. I'm from New York. But I know a lot of people who still visit Haiti till this day. Like right now, there are people who are going to Haiti to visit family and coming back. Again, I'll say this. Port-au-Prince is geographically a very small portion of Haiti where the entire rest of the island are experiencing something completely different from what's happening. There's no gang-held territories as big as Port-au-Prince. There's no barbecue in Cap-Haitien. there's none of that. This whole situation only exists in Port-au-Prince. It's really a wild tale. And I have high hopes, but I'm ignorant and I'm looking at it from the outside.

52:57So tell us why we should be optimistic about Haiti. Or maybe I should rephrase that. Are you optimistic about Haiti? And if so, why? I mean, I'm optimistic about Haiti. Because when we think about Haiti, for me personally, I'll say this, right? My mother was a school teacher in Haiti. My father was a construction worker. And uncles, you ask them, when are you going back to Haiti? He's like, well, I would go back yesterday if I could. And I'm optimistic because I truly believe in having in Haiti that my mother can go back to. And my mother can retire and everybody's mom can retire and fathers can retire too.

53:31And essentially, right now there's a new wave, there's new energy that's flowing into this space, like with Haiti Policy House being in D.C., and we are forcing ourselves to the table, where there are a lot of rooms where Haiti is being discussed, where Haitians are not invited, and we're being very diligent to make sure that we know what's happening. And at the same time, in Haiti, there are a lot of groups that are fighting for fairness, fighting against corruptions. And again, with this transitional presidential council, too, it's a major step forward where there's a consensus on what needs to happen.

54:07We may disagree on how we get there, but we all agree that we need a better Haiti. And I don't think you can meet a Haitian that's going to say that they don't want what's best for Haiti. And this is a new time where back then you had one or two politicians who were leading. And then, you know, whether it's Irish Seed or Martelly, but now there's a consensus among all major political groups. And that makes me optimistic what's happening. Some people may call me naive. You know, the older folks would say, well, are you naive? We've seen this before. I'm like, all right, well, I've never seen it.

54:42I'm just going to be optimistic. I'm going to move in the same space. I'm not going to let cynicism take over because once you start being, you know, very pessimistic about a situation, that's when all the worst thing happens. Wolf, thank you very much, man. I really am grateful that you were able to explain all this. I think the situation there is confusing for a lot of folks. The history is really important. I would love to visit Haiti someday, but yeah, maybe not right this moment, but certainly someday. Listen, if you want to, you can go to Capetian right now and nothing will happen to you.

55:16My wife will kill me. That's the problem. I'm more afraid of her than I am of barbecue. You know what? When you're ready, let me know. I'll go with you. You got it, man. You got a deal. Thank you. You're about to hear a preview of the Jordan Harbinger show about the warning signs for civil war. There were times when I was writing that I myself started to get terrified. Is this right? Am I getting this right? Because what I'm saying is going to hit people hard. There have been hundreds of studies of civil wars. The group that tends to start these wars are the once dominant groups that are in decline.

55:53The group that has been politically, socially, economically dominant since the very beginning of this country, white Christian males for the most part. America is going through this radical demographic transition from a white majority country to a white minority country. White working class men have declined on most social and economic measures that hasn't happened with any other demographic group. And there's a subset of this population that's deeply resentful of that, that's deeply threatened by that, and truly, truly believe that it's their patriotic duty to do something about this. January 6th was so public.

56:35It was so obvious. This is part of a far-right, white supremacist, anti-federal government movement here in the United States. We know that some of the far-right militias, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters, actively encouraged members to join the military, to join law enforcement. If you continuously portray this as these are just crazy individuals, then you remain blind to what's actually the cancer that's growing slowly from within. To hear whether we're on the cusp of a civil war here in the United States, check out episode 718 of the Jordan Harbinger Show. Thanks again to Wolf for coming on today.

57:21What a sharp guy, man. I'd love to see Haiti. Maybe I'll take him up on his idea to head down there. Jen would probably kill me, though. I'm actually more afraid of her than anybody named Barbecue. Barbecue ain't never seen my wife angry. Fun story. The former president, Aristide. I was back in my days in New York City working as a lawyer. doing my thing, talking to everybody in bars and whatever that I met. This was my social development decade, so to speak. I met this like badass Marine Special Forces type guy. And he told me that in 2004, he was actually one of the guys that went to Haiti and took Aristide out of the country, effectively forcing the guy to resign.

57:55And there were a lot of wild details. This was not some calm operation. There was smoke screen and tear gas. They were wearing, of course, gas masks and protection. And they said that at one point, they're bringing Aristide to the jet to exile him. They brought him to a Central African Republic, CAR. And there's just these clouds of gas. Well, after the operation, of course, they're all safe. They decide to take showers. I'm not sure how this works exactly, but there was some sort of pepper spray, tear gas residue on their hair and body. So while they didn't get it in their eyes and on their face and skin, they were careful not to do that.

58:27Well, you know, stuff drips from your body down to your nether regions in the shower. So this guy said it starts like a nice shower, feels good, you know, after an operation wearing a gas mask and all that gear. Then he feels a little tingle on his balls, followed by absolute fire for the next several minutes and screaming as tear gas residue from his hair and body drips onto his junk along with blazing hot shower water. And he said it was the worst pain that he's ever felt in his life. And this is a guy who has been stabbed before with a knife during combat. So take that most likely useless information forth into the coming week here.

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