968: Bottled Water | Skeptical Sunday

23:45And that was the end of Dasani in the UK and most of Europe. There has been no evidence of anything like that, like bromate in the bottles in the US. But it's true that many companies are just bottling up tap water and treating it with filtration. Others collect it at natural sources. But in general, here are the differences between bottled water and tap water. So firstly, bottled water has no fluoride and no chlorine. Tap water uses small amounts of chlorine, safe for consumption that makes sure to disinfect the water, whereas bottled water often uses UV light to kill those germs, as well as an iron exchange and filtration.

24:19So that would account for the slight differences in taste. Okay, so which is safer? That's the million-dollar question, I suppose. It's hard to tell. Most tap water in the U.S. is absolutely fine. Standards are actually higher than standards for bottled water, believe it or not. Bottled water has less regulation. And some scientists believe that plastic can seep into the water. That can affect our endocrine or endocrine system, which in turn affects our likelihood of getting cancer and can also mess with our reproductive systems and fertility rates. That's why many bottled water brands have an expiry date of two years.

24:57Okay, right. So Shanna Swan was talking about that in our episode too. It's really worrying. And I guess that the expiration date is bad news for all the survivalist preppers storing food and water in case of the apocalypse, although you'd think many of them would kind of be on top of that. You think so. It means they have to keep stocking up every couple of years. Must be quite annoying. You know, I was on podcasts of Tim Pool's show. So he flew me out to his big sort of castle and it has a bunker down there. And you go down into the depths of the castle that he lives in. He's got this huge bunker of food and water.

25:29And now I'm thinking, gosh, he has to keep having to change it every couple of years. I mean, to be honest, I think those bottles of water will likely be fine. There's no way of knowing. A law was passed and then revoked, but bottled water companies still print expiration dates because why not? They might even get more cash out of survivalists every two years, right? So it makes sense to keep printing that. But if you were desperate and had no other option, I get the impression you'd be okay drinking a few expired bottles of water. The water itself doesn't go off. Illnesses associated with bottled water include gastrointestinal issues, reproductive problems, and neurological disorders for the same reason you're not supposed to keep tap water in a bottle for a long time.

26:11In fact, it can just be kept for six months. They say the taste goes off because of the carbon dioxide in the air mixing with it. I see. Okay. I mean, look, you probably just drink it, buy another case. And then if it's like you can't get clean water, then your prepper stash is safe and it's mostly under two years old. And who knows if it's old, you just filter it again with your prepper filtration system that you undoubtedly have in your castle bunker. It's interesting. It's a little scary that there's all those neurological disorders and stuff associated with it. But I guess, you know, apocalypse.

26:40Is there any difference between the brands? I mean, we know Dasani has semen in it. What else? What other surprises are lurking in bottled water? Yeah. Before Coca-Cola sue you, we should allegedly has semen in it. Yes. This is all satire, something, something. Something, something, satire and the word spunk and the confusion between it. But with the brands, I've never really, I had never really given much thought to which brand of water that I get, as I figured water is water. But aside from the safety in terms of microbes and things, the pH level or level of acidity is also important. If the water is too acidic, then the heavier metals found in the water start to become toxic.

27:19When water is too alkaline, it can make soaps and detergents less effective. A lot of people are now claiming that alkaline water is good for you because it reduces the levels of acidity in the body and can stop you getting cancer, but there's no evidence for this yet. Dentistry assistant professor Augustro Robles ran a test and found that only four bottled water brands in the US had what he considered an appropriate acidity and fluoride level. Fiji, Just Water, Deer Park, Natural Spring Water, and ever more. Others not included in his study that would also fit these safety parameters are aqua hydrate, essentia, Icelandic, and real water.

27:57Okay, and then And how do we choose between bottled and tap if bottled water is as much of a lottery as any tap water? Well, if bottled water has been correctly treated, it should be fine. And you can actually read on the label about that bottle's history of treatment. That's what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say. But firstly, no one is going to read that every time they get a bottle of water. And secondly, I just checked a bottle of water before the show. And although it told me where it was sourced, it didn't say how it was treated. But maybe that's a UK thing. Of course, the other issue with bottled water, as you mentioned, is plastic contamination of the environment.

28:31In the US alone, they use almost 18 million barrels of oil to create the plastic bottles. Worldwide, bottled water creates 2.7 million tons of plastic. And given that there are relatively few advantages in more affluent parts of the world, where the tap water is good, you know, between bottled and tap water, it does seem like one of the most wasteful things that we as humans do. Also, some people complain of water tasting hard, and what they mean by that is that it has picked up more minerals as it passed through taps and pipes. They're not talking about the semen content. They're talking about the mineral content.

29:05That would be sort of, well, I was about to sort of look at the consistency and everything of the substance of semen, but perhaps for another day. That's a great way to, if we ever upload this to YouTube, it's immediately getting demonetized, but yeah, whatever, YOLO. That's true. This is usually a good thing anyway, the hard water, depending on what's made it hard. But if it's minerals, we're talking about calcium and magnesium. Magnesium supports muscle and nerve function. Calcium keeps your bones healthy. Even so, one thing I think we all try to forget is that we're all drinking parts of each other's urine.

29:40Wastewater is treated in the sewers and then turns to groundwater from which we drink. For that reason, there are hormones, particularly estrogen, that can't be removed from the water. The estrogen is coming from birth control pills, among other sources. However, there's apparently far more estrogen just in milk, and the amount found in tap water is not considered to be harmful. So there's a good argument to go for tap water over bottled water, providing you're not in an area known for its bad tap water quality. Okay, fair. But I didn't know that about milk, by the way. But how can we know who among us has bad water?

30:15Can you test your water somehow? I'd imagine something like that on Amazon, the water test kit on Amazon is probably relatively cheap. Aside from looking at it to see if it's brown and sludgy slash flammable, because that's a dead giveaway. But again, if it's flammable and glows in the dark, we probably don't drink it. But otherwise, what are we even looking for? Yeah, well, you can test your own water. You can get somebody from the government to come check it for you. That can cost anywhere from $15 to several hundred dollars. You have to get in touch with the certified laboratories in your state and get a quote and get them to come by.

30:47There are also lots of water tests you can order online, as you say, and carry out yourself. They're not too expensive. You could also boil your water to kill the bacteria, but this won't kill all of the other contaminants that we've discussed today. So it will help to make it a little bit safer. But if there's other stuff in there, then that's not going to do it. On a more general level, you can just look up whether your city is on the list of bad water places. Many of you will remember the Flint, Michigan water crisis in 2014, when their water came out sludgy brown, the aging lead was coming apart in their pipes.

31:19Oof. Yeah, this is something I was wondering about. If the age of your pipes makes a difference to the quality. Why does that sound like a euphemism? It shouldn't do because we're talking not about sex, but tap water quality. Yeah, I mean, I think we all know the relationship between the age of the pipes and quality when it comes to sex, Andrew. And I think this is a weird episode. Our minds are clearly in the gutter today. Thanks a lot, Dasani. God. Yeah, Dasani. Well, what do you mean? I don't want to dwell on it, but what do you mean? Because I think some people are going, yep, that's right.

31:48As you get older, those pipes become more experienced. And other people are going, well, those pipes are starting to fall apart. Yeah, that lead could be both. Disintegrating over time. That's what we're going with. Now we're talking about two different things. All right, continue. Yes. Well, look, it can be a problem. The age of the pipes, particularly with lead over time. In Flint, it was actually deemed safe to consume, safe to drink. But trust was lost. So the community is trying to replace all of their pipes. In Newark, from 2017 to 2019, the water also had too much lead, which can lead to fetal deaths and elevated blood level in young children.

32:21And too much haloacetic acid was also found in the water in Newark, which can lead to cancer risks. Phoenix, Arizona has the highest levels of something called chromium-6, and some rural farming areas of California have water containing traces of arsenic and uranium, which is pretty scary. On the other hand, you can find lists of the best tap water, which you'll find in Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Minnesota.

33:09Consider supporting those who support the show. Now for the rest of Skeptical Sunday. We've spoken of tap water. We've spoken of bottled water. There are other options, of course. What about purified water? That's all the rage. I know we've got a purifier. I'm not even sure about the technical term, but we've got a reverse osmosis thing going on in our house. I know this is all the rage, right? Yeah, now we're talking. So first, we have to differentiate between purified and filtered water. People seem to disagree about the difference. So there's some subjectivity around it. filtered water is said to pass through a mesh sieve and involves a carbon filter carbon water soaks up impurities like a sponge it takes away mercury chlorine and pesticides however viruses don't stick to the carbon sponge they go right through so it helps a bit but it's not a hundred percent one thing to remember here is to change your filter at the right time because the carbon sponge doesn't kill the bacteria and ugly things it just keeps them there growing and festering so when it's time, change that thing.

34:10Purified water goes through something called reverse osmosis, as we've mentioned, or even uses nanotechnology and UV light. None of this can ever be 100 % accurate or 100 % perfect, which is why they market it as purified water, not pure water. But they do a better job of stopping viruses and bacteria. The difficult thing is that most websites and news publications speak of purifiers and filters interchangeably and don't really make a big deal about the differences. Well, having weighed up the watery options so far, if I had to drink some water, which I often do, I'm leaning towards purified water.

34:44I mean, I don't have one of those tap filters where you have like it fills up the Brita or whatever. I don't have the energy to keep filling up those big tanks. That's why we had that thing installed or whatever. So we basically have a second faucet with purified water coming out of it. Right. But purified and filtered water are certainly said to taste better than tap water. And that's because they remove the chlorine. You'll have noticed that. You know, everyone go around to Jordan's house for some chlorine-free water. That's right. Yeah. Chemicals are used to treat tap water and bottled water because that water has a long way to travel and a long time to wait before you drink it.

35:19But at the point of drinking, once it's gotten to Jordan Harbinger's house, you no longer need that chlorine. So it's already done its job in killing harmful bacteria in the water. So the filtration there immediately gets rid of the chlorine and it tastes all a bit better. Yeah, it does, especially compared to the water I grew up with in Michigan that I cannot drink when I go home. It's like drinking swimming pool water. I've heard about people going really far and getting reverse osmosis shower filtration systems, which they offered us, but I thought that was a little bit much. Surely that's overkill.

35:50Although I guess if your tap water is really bad, showering and it could be maybe dangerous like drinking it because you're going to swallow some, you're going to get it on your skin. I just felt like that was a ridiculous expense. Right. Well, people say that without some of the extra minerals that are filtered out by the system, the water feels softer when you shower, you know, you can feel it on your skin and your hair after it's like a softer water. So it's about taste there. And the company's providing osmosis or reverse osmosis showers suggest your skin will feel softer. There'll be less limescale build up, you know, when it gets in your taps and stuff like that, and no chlorine.

36:23So that's the advantage of it. But yeah, maybe it would have been a bit much for you to get it. Yeah. I mean, part of me wants to make fun of people who have to shower in pure reverse osmosis water. And another part of me is like, how much would that really cost again? Is that something we can sort of install retroactively? You know what? We should have done some sort of deal with some osmosis shower or something because I bet loads of people listening are now going, I probably don't need this, but I might buy some osmosis showers. Yeah, we could have shilled some product here and gotten it for free slash gotten paid to do it.

36:52Oh, well, missed opportunity for us to have sold out our credibility immediately. Oh, well. Upon doing this. It's a shame. Sad. Well, I should just say that purified water is not necessarily the winner in the battle of the waters. And that's because you can never really know what your filter was able to remove. They're designed to stop sand, bacteria, and other small bits and pieces from getting in. But you never quite know. And the challenger that potentially knocks purified or filtered water off its perch is spring water. So that's water that is collected as it flows naturally from underground sources to the earth.

37:25It is particularly rich in the good kind of minerals, so like potassium, calcium, magnesium, and sodium. Some cities actually get their tap water through spring water, like Vienna in Austria. Wow. You can also just order spring water to your house, and a lot of the water bottles just in the shops are spring water, so you can check that on the back. And that'll often come, you know, you can get them in big jugs ordered to your house to offset the environmental impact of plastic bottles. I got to say, I'm surprised that an entire city the size of Vienna can exist on spring water. I mean, I get 400 years ago, they're like, oh, we're just going to use this spring that happens to be right here.

38:00Or they built the city near the spring for that reason. But now that there's millions of people there, it seems amazing that they're still like, yep, we still just grab water from this spring. No problem with the whole city. It's not polluted and everybody gets enough water. That's really incredible. I'm shocked, actually. Maybe it's just part of it. Yeah, maybe, maybe. All right, so we've looked at bottled water, tap water, spring water, filtered water, and purified water. So let me see if I got this right as a summary. It seems like there's a lot going on here. The jury is out. Bottled water, worst for the environment.

38:30The plastic can seep in, affect your fertility, affect your cancer outlook. Tap water has more stringent regulations than bottled water, but tap water in some places in the U.S. especially is really bad. I mean, in other countries too, but we're talking about the U.S. It's really bad. You're drinking birth control pee. no matter what you drank, mostly, unless you got reverse osmosis or maybe some bottled water. Any tap water you're drinking birth control pee. Filtered water doesn't remove all the contaminants, and it can be worse for you if you don't change the filter in time because then you're just putting bacteria from your filter into the water.

38:58Purified water seems expensive and complex. Maybe you just use it to drink, no need to shower in it. Boiling water doesn't kill everything. Maybe spring water's the winner. Is that where we're at? I think so. If you're fortunate enough to be near spring water or to be able to get hold of a bottle of spring water. It appears to have more benefits like good minerals and things and seems to be purer. It's traveled less and therefore interacted less with the contaminants that are really bad for us. It's bottled at source in some spring in the Alps or wherever it might be. So even if it doesn't really make much difference, you'll get a little placebo kick.

39:31Just imagining, you know, the French Alps or some beautiful mountain somewhere or wherever it was sourced. Huh. Okay. So we've chosen our weapon, spring water with purified water as a backup just in case. But are there other ways water can harm us? I mean, you can drown in it, whatever. Obviously, not drinking enough is bad. Can you drink too much water? I've always wondered this. Yeah, well, as you point out, we absolutely need to drink enough water. So first, let's look at what enough is before considering what is too much. The amount we all need to drink ranges depending on body weight and activity.

39:59The National Academy of Medicine recommended in 2004 that women between 19 and 30 years old consume 2.7 liters a day and men of the same age drink 3.7 liters. There's no way I drink that much because then I just go to the toilet all the time. So I don't know. Do you think you're hitting those numbers, Jordan? I think so. And I do go to the toilet all the time. I lived with a friend of mine who's like a couple friends of mine are very extreme athletes and they pay attention to this stuff. And both of them have said, you might be the only person I know that drinks too much water, which is not really a compliment, actually.

40:34I think that's a good thing. I don't know because I forget to drink. I go like the whole day. And I'm like, why do I have all these horrible headaches and feel miserable? Oh, that's gross. Yeah, that's bad. That's bad. My fiance is away at the moment for a couple of weeks and she has to like send messages like, remember to like not die. Can you remember to drink some water? Try to eat something. How long has it been? Oh, that's why I have a crazy headache. I've been taking stimulants and not drinking water. Got it. Yeah, that does. It's the weirdest thing. I think I'm just not that in touch with my body.

41:01I don't really know what it wants. But common symptoms of dehydration are fatigue, headaches, weakened immunity, and dry skin. It typically takes from a few to 10 days to die from thirst. You quoted Samuel Taylor Coleridge at the beginning of this here episode. Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink. They were lost at sea, so taunted by the undrinkable seawater around them that served both as a barrier from any drinkable water and also a haunting reminder of what they were missing. That was an accidental quote. I just thought that was a nursery rhyme or something from the UK. It is crazy because we go about life feeling sometimes invincible and robust, especially when we're younger.

41:41It seems like all that's keeping us alive is just access to decent water, decent quality water. If somebody turns that tap off, that's it for the majority of the United States. It can be hard to remember to drink water. So you have to remind yourself you got a frigging app or something over there slash your fiance. So what is too much water? I always remember my first babysitter was a guy a few years older than me called Johnny Fraser. And he must have been like 15. And my friend and I, who he was babysitting, you know, we were like 10 years old. And he used to tell us these cautionary tales, cautionary stories.

42:10He was great. And he always put so much emotion into all the descriptions and had a great way of telling stories. So he told us about a guy, and I always remember this, it's like haunts my dreams, you know, who took ecstasy, and his mouth got so dry that he kept asking for water, and more water and more water. And then he died from too much water. First of all, that's horrible. But also your 15 year old babysitter told you about a guy who dropped E and died of overhydration and you guys were 10 years old. It's a little early for that type of tale, is it not? Maybe it's a British thing. I don't know.

42:43I guess he just really wanted to stop us taking drugs. Well, before looking into whether that is actually possible, because I always saw that as just a morality tale, like, you know, I should say that my babysitter, Johnny, just a few years later, he died. He drowned while trying to save a friend in the ocean in India. By all accounts, he was a hero. I don't know what to say about that because I don't want to say it's ironic or coincidental because that sounds a bit facetious or flippant. Like his life served as some sort of cautionary tale for a kid he babysat a few times about the dangers of water, and then he drowned in the water.

43:14But it's just something to say. And maybe it's something that I could just say his name on such a big stage as this. But back to the topic, you know. Props to Johnny, though, for the hero, Johnny Frazier, for warning you about that and also trying to save someone. That's extremely brave. Good for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was mad. You know, thinking about this episode, I looked that up again and just crazy. His friend, a woman, had fallen off this boat and he went out to save her. She survived because people were able to go and help her. But the current was so strong, it took him away. That's super sad.

43:44Oh, the guilt she must have for this terrible. Jeez. OK, back to the topic. But can you die from drinking too much water? Yes. In fact, it was a form of torture. Not to mark this episode too intently with my own memories, but I always remember a trip to the London dungeons when I was a kid and they had this model human with a bloated stomach being force-fed water. Yeah, that stayed in the mind. The victim has to drink, or the victim of the torture, all the water funneled into their mouth because they'd choke and drown otherwise, right? So they just had to keep swallowing and swallowing and then their stomach nearly bursts.

44:19That sounds horrible. Okay, so it's a bit like waterboarding, but with waterboarding, they don't make you actually consume the water, but you still feel like drowning. That sounds miserable. Man, that's so barbaric. So what's the mechanism, aside from that, what's the mechanism of how much water kills you? I mean, you wouldn't keep drinking so much that you would burst, you would throw it up at some point. Yeah, well, you'd think so, unless you're being forced down like that. Right, that's an exception to the rule, of course, yeah. Yeah, well, it gets you in a bunch of different ways. It's called water intoxication and can still often happen to athletes, for example.

44:50I mean, it causes confusion and vomiting. You get something called hyponatremia, where electrolytes such as sodium are too diluted in the blood. Cells begin to inflate. And when this happens to the brain, it can be life-threatening. There are reports of soldiers as well, you know, dying from this during exercises and activities after drinking more than five liters of water in just a few hours. One problem here is that the symptoms of hyponatremia are similar to those of dehydration. So one soldier was wrongly diagnosed and given loads more water to hydrate them when the problem was they'd drunk too much water and they died.

45:26You also have people who have water drinking compulsion, a kind of obsessive compulsive disorder that is common among schizophrenic patients. So they are also at a risk of overhydration. Wow. Okay. So we're made up of more than 60 % water. I don't actually know the percentage. It could be like 90 % for all I know. A lot of people think it's higher. I guess our bones probably have relatively little water, so that brings down the total. Anyway, it's still a lot, and yet it asks a lot of us. We have to drink it pretty often to stay healthy. We gotta drink it to stay pain-free and alive. We gotta make sure not to let it get into our lungs.

45:58We've gotta avoid medieval torturers overhydrating us. We gotta make sure we don't drink too much after exercise, and then we gotta make sure there's no lead in it, no plastic contaminants in it, no hormones in it, pregnant lady pee or whatever that can lower our fertility. Got to make sure there's nothing in there that can cause cancer was a helioacetic acid or whatever. We got to choose the right kind of water. We got to drink just the right amount. It sounds complicated, man, for some reason. It's a miracle that so many of us managed to get by. And I just hope you're not advertising for any water bottle brands today.

46:27No, I know. It reminds me, we did an episode on cobalt and one of the major sponsors was an EV company. And it was people were like, bro, really? You got an EV ad in this cobalt mining thing? was like child slavery involved in battery technology. And I was like, please go and buy this electric vehicle. The thing is, EVs, still a little bit better. Cobalt-free batteries on the way. Anyway, I'm just defending myself, no need. You know what I get? You know, I do a lot of videos about Scientology. So on YouTube and stuff, the ads pop up. They're not me, but they just pop up these adverts that are like for Scientology.

46:57It's like, so people are watching that video. Like, I can't believe what they just did. This horrible thing Scientology has done. And then it's like, boom. Do you want to join Scientology? You should come and join us. You know, and people get quite angry about that. We're definitely not a cult. Don't believe this guy, Andrew, whose video you're watching right now for the last hour and a half, the reported victim, the alleged victim who's in the interview. Yeah. Come and get a free personality test where we're definitely not going to call you every week for the rest of your life. Yeah. Thanks, Andrew.

47:23I hope all y 'all listeners enjoyed learning about the dangers and necessities of water, bottled, spraying, purified, or otherwise. As always, I really appreciate you listening. If you have suggestions for topics for the show, I think bottled water was one of the suggestions from a show fan. So email us, Jordan, at jordanharbinger.com. We'd love to get your suggestions here. There is no shortage of skeptical Sunday topics or skeptic Sunday topics. There really aren't. There's a lot, and we love your suggestions. They're certainly better than most of what I'm coming up with on my own. And again, the website or my email works just great for that.

47:54A link to the show notes for the episode can be found at jordanharbinger.com. Transcripts in the show notes. I'm at jordanharbinger on Twitter and Instagram, or connect with me on LinkedIn. You can find Andrew Gold on his podcast, On the Edge. I feel like I need to say on the edge with Andrew Gold, anywhere you get your podcasts and your YouTube channel, man, is really blowing up. So if you like YouTube, then go check out Andrew Gold. That's your primary platform now. Look at that. Oh, thank you. This show is created in association with Podcast One. My team is Jen Harbinger, Jace Sanderson, Robert Fogarty, Ian Baird, Emilio Campo, Gabriel Mizrahi, and for this one, Andrew Gold.

48:28Our advice and opinions are our own, and I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. So do your, and I didn't learn anything about bottled water in law school. So do your own research before implementing anything you hear on this show. And remember, we rise by lifting others. So share the show with those you love. And if you found the episode useful, please share it with somebody else who needs to hear it. Somebody who drinks not enough water, too much water, too much bottled water, not enough bottled water. In the meantime, do your best to apply what you hear on the show so you can live what you listen.

48:54And we'll see you next time. Here's a preview with the 26th National Security Advisor, General H.R. McMaster on the greatest threats to the United States. Here's a preview. War is this continuous interaction of opposites, right? You and maybe multiple enemies and adversaries inside of a complex environment. You have to understand strategic empathy to try to view these complex competitions from the perspective of the other. Do you think our divisions domestically right now are one of the greatest threats to our national security? Absolutely, Jordan, they are. And our our adversaries are doing everything they can to exploit them.

49:34I mean, Russia's masterful at this. When we were attacked on 9-11, you know, Al-Qaeda didn't target Democrats or Republicans, right? They targeted Americans. I think it's time to really demand real reforms, you know, and if teachers unions are an obstacle, we've got to tell them, hey, you can't strike reform anymore. And we need to demand it. The fact that we're driven apart from each other based on these divisions in our society, what social media is doing to us by driving us apart with these algorithms to show you just more and more extreme information that based on your predictions. The fact that, you know, if you're of one political persuasion, you watch one TV network and somebody of a different political persuasion watches a different one.

50:14You're creating two different realities. We're doing this to ourselves, Jordan. We got to stop. You know, we got to stop it. So let's think about it. Let's work together to make our republic better every day. And there are some who don't want to do that. They think that, that, hey, you can't even empathize. You're not even allowed to empathize. It's a real tragedy. For more, including General H.R. McMaster's thoughts on immigration and climate change, check out episode 410 on The Jordan Harbinger Show. This episode is sponsored in part by the Something You Should Know podcast. Finding a great new podcast can feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.

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