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Podcast Notes: The Journal - "Americans Are Now a Target in Trump’s Immigration Crackdown"
Podcast Overview Title: The Journal Description: Focuses on important stories surrounding money, business, and power. Hosts: Ryan Knutson and Jessica Mendoza Production: Co-produced by Spotify and The Wall Street Journal
Episode Details Episode Title: Americans Are Now a Target in Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Episode Description: Discussion on the impact of immigration enforcement operations targeting American citizens, based on an investigation by the Wall Street Journal.
Key Segments
- Introduction
- Announcement of a live show in Los Angeles.
- Warning about strong language content.
- Overview of Investigation
- Guest: Hannah Critchfield, reporter on the investigations desk.
- Investigation focused on:
- Claims of increased assaults on federal officers, particularly immigration officers.
- U.S. citizens being targeted during immigration enforcement actions.
- Analysis of over 200 videos and social media posts.
- Findings of the Investigation
- Government Claims: Significant increases in assaults against federal officers (300%-500% claimed).
- Contradictory Evidence:
- Many allegations against American citizens are unsubstantiated.
- Of 181 accused citizens, nearly half were never charged, and none were convicted.
- Case Study: Sidney Laurie Reed
- Background: A D.C. veterinary assistant who documented an immigration enforcement action.
- Incident:
- Reed recorded federal agents arresting two migrant men.
- She was arrested for allegedly interfering, with charges of assault following.
- Key Points:
- Video evidence contradicted federal agents' claims about Reed's actions.
- Reed's case highlights the aggressive prosecution strategy against citizens.
- Broader Implications of DHS Actions
- Government Strategy:
- DHS's approach includes publicizing accusations against citizens on social media.
- Reports often label accused individuals as "rioters" or "terrorists" even before trial outcomes.
- Chilling Effect on Free Speech:
- The public accusations deter citizens from participating in protests or free speech activities.
- Accusations could lead to doxing and personal threats, irrespective of trial outcomes.
- Legal and Social Ramifications
- Investigations revealed:
- Cases often lack substantial evidence, leading to dismissals or acquittals.
- Ongoing financial and emotional burdens for those accused, even if exonerated.
- Follow-up on Cases:
- Majority of citizens accused did not face convictions.
- Prosecutorial pressure to charge individuals despite insufficient evidence.
- Conclusion
- The investigation raises concerns about the government's focus on targeting dissenters and limiting free speech.
- Discussions on the long-term impact on citizens' willingness to engage in political discourse.
Additional Information
- Links to the Wall Street Journal’s investigation and further listening recommendations provided.
- Episode ends with credits and a reminder of the next episode's release.
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Key Takeaways
- The increasing use of aggressive tactics by DHS has profound implications for American citizens' rights.
- The investigation highlights the disparity between government claims and court outcomes.
- There is an ongoing tension between national security measures and the preservation of civil liberties.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction of Guest and Main Topic
0:52 to 3:00
Hannah Critchfield discusses her investigations into assaults on federal officers.
“This episode contains strong language, including unbleaped curse words.”
Analysis of Assault Claims Against Citizens
3:00 to 4:10
The investigation reveals that many allegations against citizens lack evidence.
“Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power.”
The Case of Sidney Laurie Reed
4:10 to 6:00
Details of Sidney Reed's arrest during an immigration enforcement action are discussed.
“One of the cases Hannah and her team looked at was that of Sidney Laurie Reed.”
Strategy and Messaging from the Government
6:00 to 8:10
Discussion on the aggressive strategy of the Trump administration towards federal officer assaults.
“Meanwhile, her phone kept recording audio.”
DHS's Online Presence and Accusations
8:10 to 10:40
Exploration of how DHS publicly accuses citizens on social media.
“All the way to the top, everybody fucking gets it if they touch you.”
Public Labels and Their Impact on Citizens
10:40 to 13:00
The consequences of public labeling by government officials on citizens are examined.
“It was hard not to draw parallels to the way that government officials were talking in the immediate aftermath of the killing of Renee Good.”
Reed's Arrest and Legal Struggles
14:05 to 15:16
Explore the events surrounding Reed's arrest and subsequent legal challenges.
“As she's handcuffed in the backseat of agents' vehicles.”
Government's Aggressive Legal Tactics
15:16 to 17:52
Discuss the government's determination to charge citizens and how cases often fail.
“I mean, the idea that three times they weren't able to obtain an indictment both shows the resistance from the public to charge her based on the evidence, but it also shows that the U.S.”
Impact of Video Evidence on Cases
17:52 to 20:57
Understand how video evidence contradicts allegations against citizens.
“Over and over again, videos that Hannah's team reviewed showed interactions with immigration agents that cast doubt on the way that federal officials had initially talked about them.”
Chilling Effects of Accusations on Free Speech
20:57 to 22:51
Examine the consequences of public accusations on citizens' activism.
“They're out there now whether or not they were convicted at trial.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Hey, it's Jess. And Ryan. Before we kick off today's episode, we have a fun announcement to make. We are doing a live show, again. We love doing our live show in New York so much that we decided to take it on the road. This time we'll be in Los Angeles at the El Rey Theater on Tuesday, April 28th. And just like last time, we're going to have special guests. And since we'll be in LA, you can prepare for a night of money, business, and power conversations about Hollywood. And after the show, Ryan and I will stick around to meet you all. Tickets go on sale this Wednesday, March 25th at 10 a.m. Pacific.
0:35You can find the link in our show notes. And again, the show is going to be at the El Rey Theater in L.A. on Tuesday, April 28th. Tickets go on sale this Wednesday, March 25th. Hope to see you there.
0:51A word of warning. This episode contains strong language, including unbleaped curse words. Please be advised. Can you introduce yourself and tell us what you cover? Sure. I'm Hannah Critchfield, and I'm a reporter on the investigations desk here at The Journal. And at a very high level, Hannah, what have you been working on recently? I and a team of other reporters have been looking into claims that the government has made in the last year about an increase in assaults on federal officers, oftentimes immigration officers. Government officials were talking about seeing a 300 percent increase in assaults, a 500 percent increase in assaults on officers.
1:36In the last year, federal immigration operations have increased across the country as part of President Trump's immigration crackdown. And claims of assault against federal officers have gone up as well. Now, Hannah and her team's investigation has found that American citizens have become a target. American citizens who are often bystanders and demonstrators near those immigration operations. Our team analyzed more than 200 videos associated with these assault allegations, from police body camera footage to bystander recordings from social media, and many of them cast doubt on the federal government's claims that agents were assaulted.
2:19We also found that of the 181 American citizens that the Trump administration accused of attacking federal officers, close to half were never charged with assaults, and none had been convicted at trial. What did these findings tell you? You know, they show that U.S. citizens are caught in the crosshairs of an aggressive government campaign to detain and demonize detractors, including by calling them terrorists, rioters, and agitators. The Department of Homeland Security, which was created in 2002 to protect Americans, has turned its force against U.S. citizens.
3:00Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Monday, March 23rd.
3:13Coming up on the show, how the Department of Homeland Security is cracking down on American citizens.
3:33To analyze the U.S. government's claims about assaults on federal immigration agents, the Wall Street Journal reviewed more than 100 ,000 posts on X, posts made in the last year by accounts linked to government agencies and senior government officials. Each time the government identified a person on a post, we tracked that case through the legal system. So, you know, what charges were brought? Under what statute? Were those charges later modified? What happened to the person in the case? The journal team also tracked videos made by witnesses and bystanders of the alleged assaults. You can find a link to the full visual investigation in our show notes.
4:13One of the cases Hannah and her team looked at was that of Sidney Laurie Reed. Reed is a 44-year-old veterinary assistant in D.C. and a U.S. citizen.
4:26In July, Reed went to a jail to witness an immigration enforcement action. Federal officers had gone there to arrest two migrant men, and Reed said she felt a duty to document it. So she ends up going over there to record what's going on. Essentially, she has her phone out and she is documenting. What's your name? Tell me your name. What you're hearing now is a mix of footage Reed recorded herself and body camera footage from law enforcement officials on the scene. So there's this handful of federal agents at the jail, and she's recording them, and she moves for a clear review, and an agent grabs her and pins her to a wall.
5:07What are you— Please, you fucking— Other federal agents come up to assist. There's ICE agents. There's also an FBI agent, and they arrest her. Mind your own business. That's all you have to do. Mind your own business. Reed was surrounded by several federal law enforcement officials. One of them was an FBI agent, wearing a face covering and an FBI vest. Two others were ICE officers, dressed in plain clothes, plaid shirts and khaki pants. Reed was handcuffed, and she was told she was being arrested for interfering with her operation. Although, videos reviewed by Hannah and her team cast doubt on agents' claims.
5:55Reed was placed in a government vehicle and transferred to federal custody. Meanwhile, her phone kept recording audio. — This is a U.S. citizen. Am I a U.S. citizen? — Yep, she's a U.S. citizen. So I have her in my car. — Like many American citizens who wind up in the crosshairs of DHS, she was accused of assault. — One of the key aspects of what the government alleges is that she assaulted an FBI agent because the FBI agent has scrapes on her hands. And we see that those scrapes on her hands, you know, it's something that happens in the process of putting handcuffs on Reed. The government later filed to charge Reed with felony assault of a federal official, a charge punishable with up to 20 years in prison.
6:42It's a serious federal charge, and it is being applied far more broadly now than it has been in recent history. Hannah and her team found that the push to charge more people for assaulting federal officers, like what happened to Reed, is an administration-wide strategy. A Trump administration spokesperson says federal officers face daily threats. Attorney General Pam Bondi and her Department of Justice have pledged to prosecute these cases aggressively. You can run. You can't hide. We are coming after you federally. If you assault a police officer, if you rob— From the very start of Pam Bondi's tenure, you know, on her first day in office, she issues a flurry of memos, including one that encourages prosecutors to aggressively investigate any instances of violence against law enforcement or obstruction of law enforcement.
7:38So there's this early on messaging to prosecutors. And we also know that immigration agents were being given directives early on in immigration surges. In Los Angeles, there's this high-profile video of Gregory Bovino, who was then the head of Border Patrol, giving this direction to arrest anyone who touches you. Arrest as many people that touch you as you want to. Those are the general orders. All the way to the top, everybody fucking gets it if they touch you. You hear what I'm saying? And so there's sort of this pugnacious strategy sort of at the ground level that's being encouraged. This strategy can even be heard in Reed's tape, recorded while she was in the back of the government car.
8:29One of the two ICE officers in the car mentioned to his partner that he had spoken with the U.S. Attorney's Office earlier that day. The U.S. attorney's office told him they were, quote, on standby. Awesome. I'm glad that they were on standby. You know, like, if you need anything, let us know. Anybody interferes, assault, let us know. Get them on camera, we'll prosecute. I'm like, fuck yeah.
8:53Beyond an increase in prosecutions, there's also been significant promotion of these alleged attacks on social media. How would you describe the online presence of DHS? Their ex-posts and the social media presence is really combative. You know, they are often accompanied with a warning to the public. Don't be like this person. If you behave in this way, we will come for you. And they would post people's pictures, their full names, really trying to make an example out of these people. Many of these accusations, often from the handles at DHSGov and at ICEGov, are posted online before anyone is convicted of a crime.
9:41This is what happened to Reed. A week after she was arrested, her mugshot went up on the official ICE account on X. The post says, quote, Assault an officer or agent. Get arrested. It's not rocket science. Then they say that Sidney Laurie Reed allegedly assaulted federal agents and that she was fighting for two alleged international gang members. And they post her photo as well online, as well as her name, and that she's based in D.C. A former DHS spokeswoman said all of the agency's statements go through a thorough review process.
10:21It was these posts that allowed Hannah and her team to figure out who exactly DHS was accusing of assault. They found that 279 people were accused online of assaulting a federal officer. And more than half, 64%, were U.S. citizens. Many of them are described as rioters, agitators, thugs, and terrorists. It was hard not to draw parallels to the way that government officials were talking in the immediate aftermath of the killing of Renee Good. And then, after Alex Preddy was killed a few weeks later... Good and Preddy were the U.S. citizens killed by DHS agents in Minnesota earlier this year. Here's Vice President J.D.
11:06Vance talking about Good's death. I can believe that her death is a tragedy while also recognizing that it's a tragedy of her own making and a tragedy of the far left who has marshaled an entire movement, a lunatic fringe against our law enforcement officers. And here's then DHS Secretary Kristi Noem on Alex Preddy. This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism. That's the facts. It just felt that this was something we really wanted to look into. You know, how often are people being called deranged leftists, as Goode was called, or a person who tried to murder federal law enforcement, like Preddy was called?
11:53And what is the impact of these kinds of public labels on everyday U.S. citizens? In the case of Renee Goode, she was in her car when she was killed. Hannah said drivers came up a lot in her team's investigation. They found that in posts on X, federal government officials have accused 32 U.S. citizens of intentionally using their vehicles as weapons. DHS considers a vehicle, when weaponized, to be a deadly weapon. It justifies the use of force. And we saw again and again in videos and in these claims that the government was alleging that people were trying to ram them. The Wall Street Journal investigation found that of those 32 drivers, only one pleaded guilty to an assault charge.
12:42Three had their cases dismissed. And the rest were never charged. This came up again and again in Hannah's reporting. The Trump administration goes online and accuses a U.S. citizen of assault. But the cases don't hold up. That's after the break.
13:17When Hannah and her team looked into the case of Sydney Laurie Reed, the D.C. woman you heard about earlier, they had a rare amount of audio and video footage available. Can I get my phone? It's on the ground right there. I don't care about your property right now. I do. I do. We'll get it. It'll come with... When Reed is being arrested, she drops her phone, but the phone is still recording. So an agent gets that phone and places it into the same vehicle that she's riding in on her way to detention. We're at the D.C. jail. We're at the D.C. jail. We have an agitator in custody. We got this incredible access to the way that agents were talking about Reed's incident and the immediate aftermath of her arrest.
14:05As she's handcuffed in the backseat of agents' vehicles. And you hear that agents go back and forth about exactly how Reed had assaulted them. First, it was a raised knee, then an elbow.
14:25It also shows how they talk to her. You can hear one of the ICE agents calling her a stupid female as he's talking to a colleague. Hey, brother, are you good? I have to return to 1D and process this stupid female now that I fucking don't want to process. Reed was held by federal authorities for roughly two days. She says she wasn't allowed to make a phone call during that time. In the aftermath of this arrest, prosecutors try to indict her. And that needs to be done through a grand jury. A grand jury will vote to approve an indictment. And in this case, they brought Reid's complaint before a grand jury, and the grand jury declined to indict her.
15:08Then they go back and do it again. And another grand jury declines to indict her. And then they go back and do it a third time and another grand jury declines to indict her, which is pretty unheard of. I mean, the idea that three times they weren't able to obtain an indictment both shows the resistance from the public to charge her based on the evidence, but it also shows that the U.S. government was very determined to bring forth charges in this case.
15:45Prosecutors ultimately charged Reed with misdemeanor assault of an officer, a lesser offense that doesn't require going through a grand jury. Reed was acquitted of that misdemeanor charge at trial. The Wall Street Journal investigation found that in most cases where citizens were accused by the government, the outcome was similar to Reed's story. 181 citizens were accused by the government on X of attacking federal officers, but close to half of them were never even charged at all. As for the rest? We poured over court files, and we found that when people were charged with this, more often than not, those cases fell apart.
16:27Either they were acquitted or found not guilty at trial. There were a handful of cases where the government was successful in getting a conviction. Fifteen people mentioned in government posts pleaded guilty before going to trial. Ten of those people pleaded guilty for lesser offenses than what the government initially charged them with. Since Hannah and her team published their investigation, one person has been found guilty at trial of attempted murder of an officer who was assisting federal law enforcement. What has the DHS said about the fact that many of these cases don't bear out in court?
17:00We approached DHS about our investigation and our findings, and they said they're taking appropriate and constitutional measures to uphold the rule of law. They're protecting officers from dangerous rioters. You know, the White House has said, look, we're defending heroic law enforcement officers who are trying to keep American communities safe. When the courts, you know, decide that these folks are not guilty or the charges are dismissed, I mean, does the government go back online and kind of address that? We found that the government is silent after these cases resolve and the person is exonerated.
17:44Whether or not these accusations made their way to court, video has often played a big role in contradicting the government's case. Over and over again, videos that Hannah's team reviewed showed interactions with immigration agents that cast doubt on the way that federal officials had initially talked about them. So oftentimes protesters are called violent rioters, professional agitators, and they're accused of making physical contact in some way with agents. But sometimes we found that video footage, you know, showed that immigration agents would at times lay their hands on demonstrators first.
18:25In other words, the Wall Street Journal found that most of the assault allegations against American protesters posted on X were unsubstantiated. Even federal prosecutors themselves acknowledged that in some cases, the evidence to back up these charges wasn't there. We spoke to federal prosecutors across the nation, and they said that they were facing intense pressure to charge demonstrators, bystanders, even if video evidence contradicts the statements that officers initially claim about what happened. Or in situations where they wouldn't normally pursue federal charges, they believed that it wouldn't rise to the level of prosecution.
19:19What is DHS and ICE's goal here? It doesn't sound like getting a conviction is ultimately it because they were doing this regardless of whether, you know, the charges really went anywhere. So what is behind this push to crack down on the way that Americans act around immigration officers and authorities? Yeah, I mean, we shared our findings with the federal government and asked for comments. They strongly said that this is about protecting federal law enforcement and that the people who they are accusing are rioters, not people who are exercising free speech. What our reporting shows is that we don't know exactly why the federal government is tweeting over a thousand times about assaults on federal officers.
20:21But by putting a bullseye on people who are accused of assault by the federal government publicly, it has the effect of chilling First Amendment expression. and that is something that we saw in our conversations with people who had been accused publicly by the federal government of assaulting federal officers is that they are less likely to participate in protests and less likely to put themselves in situations where their name might be tracked. They're out there now whether or not they were convicted at trial. And what does this all tell you? It tells you that both in public messaging and in terms of the types of incidents that the federal government is trying to prosecute, there is a real pressure to crack down and send a message to people who the government views as perceived dissenters, even if video contradicts what agents have initially claimed happened, Even in cases where a person is exonerated, there can still be heavy repercussions.
21:38Things like costs for posting bail, securing defense attorneys, and taking days off from work to appear in court. And in more extreme cases, people are doxed online and face death threats. In Reed's case, the post on X with her name and image is still up, and it's gotten more than 35 ,000 views, even though she was acquitted. She had to explain to her employer why she missed a shift when she was held in jail for two days. She's expressed reservations about air travel, worried that her name could be flagged. And she says she's been more hesitant about engaging in political speech. She said she's less likely to participate in protests or do things that she would normally do, even though she said those are our rights as U.S.
22:25citizens and they're being stifled. On the day Reid was arrested, as she sat in the back of a government vehicle, handcuffed, one of the agents riding in the car with her criticized people interfering in police affairs. Should have been home by now. No, people can't mind their own business. I mean, is that what makes America great? No, it isn't. What does then? removal of criminals out of this country. That's what makes America great.
23:05That's all for today, Monday, March 23rd. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Belle Cushing, Emma Scott, Brenna T. Smith, and Brian Witten. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow. même trial. Assistant in the
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American citizens are being targeted in the government's immigration enforcement operations. That's according to a Wall Street Journal visual investigation that reviewed thousands of videos, social media posts, and court documents. WSJ's Hannah Critchfield breaks down the Journal's findings, and explains how the government's actions are impacting free speech in the U.S. Jessica Mendoza hosts.
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