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Podcast Summary: How 1 Million Robots Are Taking Over Amazon Warehouses
Podcast Information
- Title: The Journal
- Hosts: Ryan Knutson and Jessica Mendoza
- Description: A podcast covering important stories about money, business, and power, co-produced by Spotify and The Wall Street Journal.
Episode Overview
- Episode Title: How 1 Million Robots Are Taking Over Amazon Warehouses
- Air Date: July 17, 2023
- Guest: Sebastian Herrera, who provides insights into Amazon's automation and labor dynamics.
Key Themes and Concepts
Amazon's Robotics Milestone
- Amazon has surpassed 1 million robots in its warehouses, marking a significant shift towards automation.
- This transition raises questions about the future of the workforce, as robots are expected to surpass human workers in number.
Historical Context
- Amazon has been a major employer in the U.S., often seen as a bellwether for the labor market.
- The automation journey began in 2012 with the acquisition of Kiva Systems, leading to a fleet of robots designed to fulfill shipping requests more efficiently.
Automation Benefits
- Robots significantly improve efficiency:
- Fulfillment time dropped from over an hour to 15 minutes per shipping request.
- Productivity per employee has increased from handling 175 packages to approximately 3,800 packages.
Human Worker Dynamics
- While robots perform many functions traditionally handled by human workers, they also raise concerns about job displacement and working conditions.
- Some employees are transitioning to higher-paying technical roles that manage the robots, but these opportunities may not be widely available.
Examples of Employee Adaptation
- Employee Naysha Cruz transitioned from a picking job to a managerial role overseeing robotics after receiving training. Her salary more than doubled, showcasing potential for advancement in technical fields.
Challenges Ahead
- The current workforce stands at approximately 1.5 million. However, Amazon is slowing down hiring, with indications that fewer roles will be available for traditional warehouse positions.
- CEO Andy Jassy anticipates a future reduction in workforce size due to automation and AI.
Future of Work at Amazon
- The concept of "lights-out" facilities suggests a future where warehouses operate with little to no human presence, relying entirely on robots.
- Amazon maintains that humans will remain central to operations, but critics argue that the company isn't considering the effects of automation on workers adequately.
Implications for the Labor Market
- Amazon's practices could influence broader labor trends across various industries.
- The company's ability to drive wage increases or layoffs could affect other employers' practices, given its significant role in the U.S. economy.
Conclusion
- The episode highlights the complex interplay of automation, employee adaptation, and the implications for the future workforce in America.
- The evolution of Amazon's warehouses showcases the potential for efficiency gains but also raises critical questions about job security and worker rights in an increasingly automated world.
Further Listening
- AI Is Coming for Entry-Level Jobs
- The Battle to Be the King of Retail: Walmart vs. Amazon
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Note The insights from this episode are pivotal for understanding the future of work and the role of technology in shaping labor markets. The discussion serves as a crucial commentary on the balance between efficiency and human employment in the digital age.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04When you step inside Amazon's warehouse in Shreveport, Louisiana, it looks pretty normal. At first. You have your offices, you have people walking around, you have security. But as you get up to floor two to five, you really start to hear the buzz of machinery.
0:27If you can imagine the noises of the zh-zh-zh-zh-zh. Right. Those sort of noises. That's our colleague Sebastian Herrera, describing Amazon's next-generation fulfillment center. The Shreveport complex is five stories high. Inside, robots zip across the floor like giant pucks. And robotic arms lift, sort, and pack with eerie precision. There's a lot of whirring, a lot of metallic clangs. There are different wheeled droids that are in the facility. Wild, you said the word droids, and I immediately was like, as in Star Wars? Like, beep, boop, beep, they're like buzzing around? That's literally happening at this warehouse of the future.
1:13Here, robots do most of the work. And that's the direction Amazon, the second largest private employer in the U.S., is headed towards. In fact, just recently, the company reached a major milestone. They just crossed the one million robot line at their facilities. And that's really significant because Amazon has reached a turning point with robotics where soon they will have more robots than they do humans. Oh, my gosh. Amazon is really a bellwether for the U.S. labor economy. So when it makes any sort of move inside of its facilities, people are watching, companies are watching. And it could transform the way that companies and people think about the labor force writ large.
2:08Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Thursday, July 17th.
2:22Coming up on the show, one million robots. How Amazon is Transforming American Labor.
2:41For years, Amazon has been the heartbeat of local hiring in places all over America. In business news tonight, Amazon is going on a hiring spree. Thousands of job seekers lined up at warehouses yesterday. Just take a look at the giant sign they've posted on a tractor trailer outside their center in Kenosha. The company would hold nationwide job fairs, and billboards would advertise for warehouse openings. When a new fulfillment center opened, the whole town would hear about it. You can visit both big city and small town, and it's not unlikely that Amazon is the largest employer there, or one of the largest employer there, because they've long had thousands, hundreds of thousands of workers in these facilities.
3:22But human workers have their limits. Amazon's warehouse employees would walk miles every day, often lifting heavy boxes to get inventory. Over time, the e-commerce giant that pioneered two-day delivery looked for ways to make that process more efficient, to move products even faster. And by 2012, Amazon had its answer. Amazon agreeing to buy Kiva Systems Inc. for$775 million in cash. buy a robot company. This is like the Jetsons. Yeah, it's so cool. Those first Amazon robots from Kiva Systems look like big orange Roombas on steroids. They glide along a grid and ferry goods in warehouses, warehouses that might be as big as 23 football fields.
4:09Those droids were able to cut down the time to fulfill a shipping request from more than an hour to just 15 minutes. These robots are able to pick up shelves and move them in no time, and they can do it with multiple shelves. And so that was able to allow Amazon to move products across their facilities much faster than before. By 2017, Amazon had scaled up its fleet of droids to 100 ,000 units. Amazon's robotics team touted their military precision. Like a marching army of ants that can constantly change its goals based on the situation at hand, right? So our robotics are very adaptive and reactive.
4:51While Amazon was building its robot fleet, its human employees were also busy. Some of them were raising concerns about working conditions on the warehouse floor and talking about forming a union. And it's exactly why we must stand with workers everywhere. I'm taking a stance against the company. Amazon filed objections to the unionization effort. But the organizers did succeed at one warehouse in New York. To the first union in American history. Yes! As Amazon's human workers called for better labor conditions, its droids, which didn't have overtime demands or health insurance needs, kept humming.
5:29Robots don't feel, don't hurt in the same way that humans do. But also, you know, robots don't go on strike. They don't go on lunch breaks. They don't need to go to the bathroom. Robots can't sue the company. Right. You won't have to deal with the issues that a human worker might have. So robots don't complain, for example. And these are the sort of underpinning issues of why some Amazon employees have chosen to unionize because they complain about how physically demanding these jobs are and that they get little break times. And so for Amazon, a robot solves a lot of problems for them. And over time, it's actually more cost-efficient in that way, too, because it's expensive to train employees to start jobs or to hire them.
6:18Those orange Kiva droids could only do one thing, which was move shelves. But over the last five years, Amazon has introduced new models, ones that could sort and pack. This year, the company introduced a touch-sensitive robot it calls Vulcan. This robot also has that sort of pressure sense that a human does. And so it's able to be very gentle when it's grabbing items. Something like a bar soap as small as that or a notebook. And now the bots don't just work independently. One robot carts stuff for loading onto trucks. Another helps sort items. Another helps package bags. AI systems have evolved in these past five years.
7:03And part of the innovation with Amazon is not necessarily that they have the most advanced robotics in the world, but that they've been able to connect all the robots together. There's more and more of what they call touch points are being handled by robots. So there's different touchpoints within an Amazon facility, whether it's packaging, whether it's moving items from a truck. And as time has passed, more of those touchpoints have been handled by robots. Amazon's bet on bots has been good for business. The company says workplace injury rates have dropped, though labor unions say they remain high.
7:45Amazon also says that about 75 percent of its global deliveries now involve robots in some way. And yearly productivity has skyrocketed as more machines work in tandem with humans. So for example, Amazon years ago shipped about 175 packages per employee. So the packages that it handled itself end-to-end without the help of UPS or USPS. And that has gone up to about 3 ,800 or so per employee. Dang. So that's a tremendous productivity gain. So it does sound like the robotics push has brought Amazon's business major efficiency gains. What does it mean for the people who are working alongside those machines?
8:36How is it affecting them? The jobs at Amazon are changing really rapidly. I talked with one employee named Naysha Cruz. Naysha? Am I pronouncing that correctly? Naysha like geisha. And she had a very interesting story because she started out as an average Amazon worker. She started out as a picker.
9:08But she had bigger goals for herself. She wanted to have more of a technical job. And so she sought out training that Amazon has to have a more advanced role within the company. And then from there, there was an opportunity in Tempe, Arizona. And she was able to be trained in how to oversee and manage robotics. And she was able to move from her picking job to a desk job. And she sits in front of a computer screen, making sure that robots around the world that Amazon has are working properly. I currently don't have a degree, so the fact that I can come from a factory work setting to an office job, it's amazing to me.
9:54Naisha's pay has also more than doubled from what she earned walking the warehouse floor. Her story exemplifies what Amazon says it's trying to achieve, which is to have more technical roles for workers and less physically demanding roles. They say that they've trained more than 700 ,000 people around the world with these sort of more technical tasks. Fewer pickers, more technicians. That's part of Amazon's vision. But for the company's roughly 1.5 million workers around the world, most of whom are on the warehouse floor, Naisha's path might not be the norm. Not every picker will go on to manage a fleet of robots.
10:34Already, Amazon has slowed down hiring at its facilities. Staffing is now at an average of 670 people per facility, according to a journal analysis. That's the lowest it's been in 16 years. For every Naisha cruise, there could be another person whose job is replaced entirely. Right. So jobs like Naisha had as a picker might not exist one day. In a statement, Amazon says it's hired hundreds of thousands of employees in the last decade. It also acknowledges that headcount is down, noting that their new sites have, quote, smaller employee footprints and help us deliver with greater speed. Amazon CEO Andy Jassy has also said publicly that the company anticipates its entire workforce will shrink due to AI.
11:21There will be a day where we might not see many people inside of these facilities. And as time passes, we could start to think of Amazon and see Amazon in a completely different way because of what they're doing with robotics. Right. Will they still even be the second largest private employer in the U.S.? Right. That's a huge question. Will they still be the second largest private employer in the U.S. 5, 10, 15 years from now? Maybe not. But someday, experts say, Amazon's warehouses could literally go dark. Y is after the break.
12:11During his time covering Amazon, my colleague Sebastian Herrera has heard experts and insiders kick around a term. One they use to describe what the company's warehouses could look like in the not-so-distant future. Amazon years ago had this concept of a lights-out facility. you don't have to turn on the lights because it's all robots and robots don't need lights to work because robots don't need to see aren't there cameras though they do have cameras but those cameras can see in the dark oh that's so creepy according to my reporting and the experts i talked to amazon would love to have that sort of a facility where they don't need humans to be or they might just need one or two humans to come and repair the robots when they break down.
12:57But it is not sci-fi to say that years from now, you could walk into an Amazon facility and most, if not all, the lights are off and you're in the dark, just hearing whirring and buzzing around you. Oh my goodness.
13:21if we look 20 years into the future the lights out facility could be something that is very realistic in that time frame according to experts that i've talked to wow 20 years it's really not that long if you think about it um although you know even in star wars there were still people right it wasn't like they were gone completely somebody still had to fix the robots when they broke down. Right. Uncle Owen? Yeah? The R2 unit has a bad motivator. Look. Hey, what are you trying to push on us?
13:52Amazon told us that its robotics leadership does not believe in a fully lights-out concept, nor does it think lights-out is the, quote, optimal approach to serve our customers. The company also said that, quote, people will continue to be at the center of how we operate effectively. If you talk to Amazon, they're very big on the idea that humans will need to continue to exist inside their facilities. But there's plenty of tasks that Amazon is replacing inside of its facilities with robots. And that means that for some warehouse employees, the room is already looking dim. The workers that I've talked to and the unions that I've talked to remain very concerned that Amazon, as it's deploying these robots, it's not thinking about how it's affecting its humans.
14:40So for Amazon, they will say that these robots are all positive because it's making the jobs of human workers safer. However, Amazon critics say that it is the human workers there that are the guinea pigs for, you know, these robotic systems, whether they break down, whether an accident happens. It's the human workers that have to deal with these situations. A spokesperson for Amazon told us that, quote, Quote, innovation has been a core driver to creating a safer workplace for us. It's interesting, if you look at Amazon's corporate website right now, they have this statement, like, in really big font at the top.
15:22It says, in the past decade, Amazon has created more jobs than any other U.S. company. If Amazon led the last great hiring boom, could that be coming to an end? That is a good question. Amazon employs so many people throughout the U.S., and that means that it's responsible for a lot of the labor force in America. And as Amazon replaces humans with robots, it could have a tremendous impact on our labor economy, on the economy as a whole. My reporting has shown before that when Amazon raises pay in their warehouses, for example, other companies follow suit. When Amazon has layoffs, other companies tend to follow suit.
16:08Amazon recently announced return to work five days a week, and a lot of companies followed suit after that. So if Amazon says robots are the future. If Amazon says robots are the future, then that could mean that a lot of other companies start saying similar things. We don't need as many employees in our offices anymore or in our warehouses anymore. Because if Amazon is doing it, it means that we can too.
16:42That's all for today, Thursday, July 17th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Special thanks to Julie Chang and Desiree Rios.
16:56Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
From the publisher
Amazon warehouses are more automated than ever. The company, a key bellwether for the U.S. labor market, now has over a million robots packing and shipping goods in its fulfillment centers. While some employees are finding ways to transition into higher-paying technical roles that manage the robots, the company’s CEO Andy Jassy has said it plans to cut the size of its overall workforce. Sebastian Herrera explains Amazon’s vision for the warehouse of the future. Jessica Mendoza hosts.
Further Listening:
- AI Is Coming for Entry-Level Jobs.
- The Battle to Be the King of Retail: Walmart vs. Amazon
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