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The Journal Podcast: The Nazi Ties to Credit Suisse
Episode Overview
- Title: The Nazi Ties to Credit Suisse
- Hosts: Ryan Knutson and Jessica Mendoza
- Guest: Margot Patrick (WSJ reporter on Swiss banking)
- Air Date: January 15, 2023
Episode Description This episode explores the historical ties between Credit Suisse and the Nazi regime during World War II, focusing on newly uncovered documents that challenge the bank's previous claims of transparency and accountability.
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Key Themes and Discussions
Historical Context
- 1998 Settlement: Credit Suisse and UBS settled claims related to their WWII-era ties to Nazis, agreeing to pay over $1 billion to descendants of Jewish account holders.
- Initial Closure: This settlement was viewed as closure for many affected parties, but not for all.
Recent Revelations
- New Investigations: Following a new probe into Credit Suisse, shocking findings regarding the bank's deeper ties to Nazi entities were uncovered:
- Accounts linked to a Swiss lawyer facilitating Nazi transactions.
- Accounts related to a German manufacturer utilizing slave labor from concentration camps.
- Accounts controlled by SS entities during the war.
Lack of Accountability
- Despite the 1998 settlement, many Jewish organizations continue to feel that there has not been a comprehensive reckoning regarding Swiss banks' roles during WWII.
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The Investigation Process
Simon Wiesenthal Center
- An organization dedicated to Holocaust education and research, which continued to investigate ties between Swiss banks and Nazis post-settlement.
- Faced challenges due to Swiss banking laws that protect account holder identities.
Credit Suisse's In-House Investigation
- Neil Borofsky: Hired in 2021 to lead an investigation into the findings from the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
- Obstacles: The investigation involved sifting through extensive archived records, many of which were handwritten or in obsolete formats.
Findings and Controversies
- Borofsky discovered numerous previously undisclosed Nazi-linked accounts, some of which remained active as late as 2020.
- Internal documents revealed that Credit Suisse had prior knowledge of certain clients' connections to Nazi entities, contradicting earlier claims of ignorance.
Conflict and Termination
- Borofsky was fired due to internal conflicts over the scope of his investigation, prompting him to continue his work independently.
Senate Involvement
- A U.S. Senate committee subpoenaed Borofsky's report, which revealed significant new findings that contradicted Credit Suisse's earlier disclosures.
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Outcomes and Implications
Credit Suisse's Response
- The bank conducted its own investigation, which was less comprehensive than Borofsky's and downplayed the significance of new findings.
- Following its collapse and acquisition by UBS, Borofsky was rehired to continue his investigation with additional resources.
Continued Investigation
- Borofsky's ongoing work has uncovered thousands of files linked to Nazi atrocities, including individuals and entities that had not been previously identified.
- His research aims to understand the extent of Credit Suisse's involvement and the implications of its historical actions.
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Key Takeaways
- Transparency: The episode underscores a crucial lesson about the importance of transparency in historical accountability.
- Reputation of Swiss Banking: The revelations indicate a potential shift in how Swiss banks may need to handle historical ties to illicit activities, reaffirming that past actions can resurface and impact reputations.
- Ongoing Investigations: The findings suggest that the full extent of Swiss banking involvement with the Nazi regime is still not fully understood, highlighting the complexity of financial histories.
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Further Reading and Listening
- Articles:
- Nazi Ties to Credit Suisse Ran Deeper Than Was Known, Hidden Files Reveal
- Related Episodes:
- What Just Happened at Credit Suisse?
- The Financial Legacy of the Nuclear Tests on Bikini Atoll
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Note: This episode spotlights the importance of continued scrutiny of historical financial practices and the ethical responsibilities of banks in acknowledging their past.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05In 1998, two Swiss banks, UBS and Credit Suisse, came to an agreement to settle claims that had their roots in World War II, and the banks' historic ties to Nazis. That we've reached an historic agreement with the Swiss banks that will bring moral and material justice to those who have suffered for so long and bring closure on these issues. The banks agreed to pay over$1 billion to descendants of Jewish account holders. It seemed like this was the end of a decades-long fight for accountability. Here's our colleague, Margot Patrick, who covers Swiss banking. So at that point in time, I think a lot of the parties involved felt like this is it.
0:51A line has been drawn. We're going to move past this. And certainly that was how the Swiss banks felt. And that agreement in 1998 was also endorsed by more than a dozen Jewish organizations. So it really was like everyone who had been sort of around the table on this had agreed, OK, let's do the settlement and this will kind of put an end to it once and for all. But of course, of course not everyone felt that way. That settlement didn't turn out to be the end. Last month, a new probe into Credit Suisse surfaced some shocking revelations about the bank's ties to Nazis. There was a Swiss lawyer who was known for cloaking Nazi transactions, and that person had several accounts at Credit Suisse.
1:38There was a relationship with a German manufacturer that used slave labor from concentration camps, and that manufacturer opened an account at Credit Suisse during the war. There were entities run by the SS that were opening accounts during the war. These new findings are raising doubts about the bank's transparency.
2:00And so there's this feeling that this period of time hasn't been fully studied, that there hasn't been a full sense of accountability. And so I think people want to get more transparency. There's still a sense amongst many families, many Jewish organizations, many of people who otherwise suffered at the hands of the Nazis, that there wasn't a full reckoning of some of the activities in World War II, and that the Swiss banks perhaps were more complicit than people had thought.
2:36Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Kate Leinbaugh. It's Wednesday, January 15th.
2:49Coming up on the show, the relationship between Credit Suisse and the Nazis.
3:11After the big settlement in the 90s, some organizations kept investigating the Swiss banks. One was the Simon Weisenthal Center. Simon Weisenthal was a Nazi hunter. He was a survivor of the Holocaust. And so the Simon Weisenthal Center, their mission is really to teach the world about the Holocaust. But finding out more about the ties between Credit Suisse and the Nazis was hard, in part because of Switzerland's particularly strict laws, which protect the identities of bank account holders. The Simon Weisenthal Center was looking at bank accounts that were attached to Nazis and Nazi entities, Nazi affiliates.
3:55So say like a holding company that was furthering the Nazi aims for industry that would maybe own a bunch of companies. And some of those companies might have come from Jewish owners that they'd been taken over. So they had these sort of new leads on Nazi-linked accounts that they studied themselves for some time. And so they shared that with a bank in 2020. And Credit Suisse, to its credit said, yeah, we want to look into this. But looking into something so old was a monumental task. A lot of records had been destroyed, and much of what was left was handwritten and sitting in rows and rows of boxes in warehouses.
4:40So the task here is to delve into archives of often written records in ledgers, or maybe some of it might have at some point been put onto microfilm or lots of like, you know, almost obsolete media. So there'd just be, you know, sort of rooms and rooms of customer documents and old bank records, often handwritten. And those all had to be really sort of sifted through. And it's a huge task to really look at everything. In 2021, Credit Suisse hired a former U.S. federal prosecutor to head up an in-house investigation. His name was Neil Borofsky. And Borofsky started finding a lot of new leads. And so this investigation was producing a lot of information because the last time anyone had really looked was in the 1990s.
5:37And the technology is a lot better now to process information. And so a lot of leads were coming up.
5:47So, what does Borofsky find? What he started to find was that many of these leads were strong, that the Simon-Weisenthal Center had given to the bank, that there were some new Nazi clients that hadn't really been found before. So he's finding a lot, and he's finding that the more he looks, the more he finds. And something else he started to find was internal information at the bank about those 1990s investigations. What kind of information? There was information in those sort of working papers from the 1990s that indicated the bank did know about certain clients, that the bank was aware of certain connections with Nazi affiliates or Nazi-related companies that hadn't been disclosed before.
6:36And so he was pursuing that investigation. And then he got fired from the job by the bank. Why did Credit Suisse fire him? So Credit Suisse fired Neil Brodsky. Some of the executives who were at the bank at the time felt like he was kind of overstepping the bounds of what he was there to investigate. So whilst the Simon-Wesenthal Center had given them lists of names, in fact, He was finding even more. He was finding indications about their disclosures in the 90s. And so it was becoming a bit open-ended. He was finding so much that some executives within the bank were concerned that this is going to take forever and cost a ton of money and what's going to come out of it.
7:25Borofsky may have been fired, but he didn't stop working. That's after the break.
7:49Even though Credit Suisse had fired Neil Borofsky, Borofsky didn't stop working. His position was that he had a job to do. He had been asked to investigate and to write a report. And so he wrote a report. After he finished his report, Borofsky handed it to Credit Suisse. And that would have been it. Except a U.S. Senate committee heard about the report and subpoenaed a copy. In early 2023, the U.S. Senate Budget Committee made Borofsky's report public. Here's Senator Chuck Grassley sharing some details on the Senate floor. The reports revealed new information, including nearly 100, and let me emphasize 100, previously undisclosed Nazi-linked accounts.
8:41Some accounts remained open as recently as the year 2020. So this is where things started to kind of get out of the bank's hands, because the bank had, you know, essentially been trying to silence these findings and this report. At the same time, Credit Suisse had been continuing its investigation without Borofsky. And it produced a report of its own. And the reports were pretty different, because the Neil Borofsky report was 205 pages. It had a lot of information about what he'd found. Credit Suisse report was much shorter. And the Credit Suisse position was essentially, OK, he did find some things.
9:23But this doesn't really move on the historical record. It's pretty much what we knew already. At the same time, in March 2023, Credit Suisse collapsed and was taken over by rival Swiss bank UBS. Months later, UBS decided to rehire Borowski so he could finish his work.
9:48And he gets dug in again with a team. UBS devoted resources to it. So there was something like 50 or more people working on this. And Neil Brofsky was also able to hire his own forensic accountants and his own historians and so forth to really sort of look at their work that was being done. So at this point, he had sort of fresh support for his efforts. And he also had the Senate Budget Committee behind him saying, please leave no stone unturned. Now, with a bigger remit and more resources, Borofsky turned up a lot of new information. And so he found something like there were, you know, thousands of boxes full of files.
10:32And in those files, there were numerous client files that were stamped with this. It was a stamp that Brofsky and his team hadn't seen before, and it was American Blacklist. The American Blacklist. This was a list kept during World War II of people who the U.S. government and its allies wouldn't do business with. So this was a designation given to Nazi entities or other Axis powers during the war that the U.S. and its allies were aware of or suspected were financing or trading with the Nazis. And so this is a designation that seems really important to look into. Those files could have been revealed during that earlier investigation in the 90s, but they weren't.
11:19So they haven't investigated or they haven't fully probed all of these files. That's the work that's going on right now is to understand the significance of the people that had that blacklist, that were on the blacklist, had that stamp on their files, to really understand what they were doing and how that might fit in with the investigation. Last month, Borofsky released some of his newest findings. So Borofsky told senators that the investigation uncovered scores of individuals and entities who were linked to Nazi atrocities. And that these either hadn't been identified before or the full nature of Credit Suisse's involvement hadn't ever been reported publicly.
12:05The investigators also find accounts for several hundred alleged Nazi intermediaries, such as lawyers. And these are people who had helped the Nazis hide gold or loot Jewish assets or just generally support the war economy under the Nazis. But these are the new leads that Borowski and the investigators are pursuing now. Vorowski also found information that the bank hadn't disclosed before about a specific account that other researchers had identified years ago, back in the 1990s. So this was an account controlled by two SS officers and a Swiss intermediary. And so Credit Suisse in the 1990s had told one of the commissions looking at this issue that it couldn't find any information about this account.
12:47But Vorowski found that the bank did know about the account. It had documentation in its files in those 1990s reviews. So this account is important because this Swiss intermediary could have kept sending cash to the Nazis after the war ended, since it was in the name of a Swiss person. And that's the kind of question that Brodsky is looking at now, like whether that happened or not, and what happened with some of these assets and with some of this money.
13:12What do you think the banks are taking away from all of this information, historic information, coming out? I think one lesson is that if there are secrets to hide, sometimes it's better just to come clean at the moment of cleansing, which was supposed to be in the 90s. That was supposed to be the moment for the banks to really come clean. How could this sort of affect Swiss banking more generally? You know, Switzerland has been a haven for money, and that includes dirty money. And so when a government is deposed or a dictator flees, then often the first place people look is, you know, so where's the money?
14:02Is it where is it? And often a portion of it is in Switzerland. So there's a sense that this could be a wake up call for Swiss banks, that the past cannot be fully left behind, that the past can come back many years later and harm your reputation again.
14:33That's all for today. Wednesday, January 15th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. If you like our show, follow us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We're out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
From the publisher
After harrowing probes in the 1990s, Swiss banks thought they’d come to terms with their WWII-era ties to Nazis. But WSJ’s Margot Patrick explains how documents newly unearthed from bank archives include shocking revelations.
Further Reading:
-Nazi Ties to Credit Suisse Ran Deeper Than Was Known, Hidden Files Reveal
Further Listening:
-What Just Happened at Credit Suisse?
-The Financial Legacy of the Nuclear Tests on Bikini Atoll
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