857 Dr. Heather Rogers: Founder of Doctor Rogers Skincare

28:11Kara Goldin:Plus, right now, Rhythm is offering our listeners 15 % off your first month and free shipping at rhythm.health slash Kara Golden. That's rhythm with one H-R-Y-T-H-M dot health slash Kara Golden for 15 % off your first month and free shipping. Stop guessing. Start testing. Rhythm.health slash Cara Golden. And what products have that besides the sunscreener? Really? That is so interesting. It's in like most of the gel or like water gel face creams are all diamethicone. Pretty much if a face cream is made, quote unquote, for oily skin, the second ingredient is diamethicone. So interesting. So if you're peeling, that could be the reason.

29:00Yeah, it just sits on the top of your skin. And then the other thing that drives me crazy is this faulty information where you have to wash your face in the morning to get off your night treatments. You have to wash off your tretinoin. You have to, I don't know, wash off your dirty pillow. I mean, our hands are filthy. Like, the world is filthy. Your pillow is not the problem. And when you're young and you have oily skin, great, washing your face twice a day might be fine. but as we age your skin has worked so hard to rebuild that skin barrier and finally get some oil back on your skin and then you wash it off first thing in the morning that's the reason why you can't tolerate vitamin c that's the reason why your skin is inflamed all the time is that we don't need to be so obsessed with this cleanliness and this over washing i wash my face at night before i go to bed i do it once i do not double cleanse and it's okay if you don't get every last bit of whatever off your face.

29:52Like you want to leave some of those wonderful oils that are part of your natural moisturizing factor there to keep your skin healthy.

30:00Kara Goldin:I totally agree. So I've been told the exact same thing. And for years, I've just found even before my skin got just so dry, as I was aging, I feel like that is something that so many people talk about getting the, you know, washing in the morning. Exactly. I say it on social media at least once a week and I have so much hate over it. Like the number of comments I get were like, you don't know, your pillow's dirty, you have to get off the track. No. And I'm like, it's all long gone, people. Like, let's not argue about this. That's crazy. So over exfoliate, over treating, constantly chasing new products.

30:39Kara Goldin:You, I'm sure, have seen this effect. Now you've created Dr. Rogers. So how is your line different? So if you have thick, oily skin, you don't have to use my skincare products. And if you can tolerate prescription strength tretinoin, lucky you use that. But as we age and our skin does get drier and more sensitive, there's actually not that many options out there for us. And I think we're told, hey, you need to exfoliate, you need to exfoliate, but our skin can't tolerate that. So two things. One is, is that you need to use something at night that promotes cell turnover, if that's prescription tretinoin lovely.

31:21Even over-the-counter retinol can be hard for some people to tolerate. And there is a newer ingredient called Bacuchiol, which is a plant-derived ingredient that is almost identical in retinol and what it activates in your skin. And there was a small study showing that Bakuchiol was as effective as retinol at the same percentage with 75 % fewer irritation complications. So far better tolerated similar results. But Bakuchiol is also light-stable and sun-stable and air-stable. So unlike retinol, which starts to break down the second you open that jar, Bakuchiol maintains its shelf life. So in my night repair treatment, I chose to use Bacuchiol because I wanted something that was going to have an effective dose for a longer period of time.

32:05And then I mixed it with glycolic acid and gluconolactone. And glycolic, we now have studies showing us that glycolic acid, which is an alpha hydroxy acid, exfoliates that top layer of our skin. It helps with brown. It helps with texture. It gives you a little bit more of that glass skin finish. but it also gets off the dead skin so that things can penetrate into your skin like moisture and plump up your skin works better and then the bakuchiol works for the deeper layers to actually build collagen and help with fine lines and wrinkles and so again it's not that you you could use two products but i'd rather just put them together in one and make it be easier for you so you wash your face you dry your face you put on the night repair treatment and all of my names are incredibly literal you use it at night and it repairs your skin night repair treatment and then you put on your face cream.

32:51And these are made that you can put them around your eyes. You can use my face cream around your eyes. And like my face cream has squalene and shea butter and niacinamide and adenosine in it. So it helps with fine lines and wrinkles. You don't need a separate face cream if you have a well-formulated product. And so that's the nighttime routine. It's really just wash your face, night repair treatment, face cream, you go to bed. If your skin's irritated, if you had a procedure or you just had a rosacea flare, you skip the night repair treatment and instead you slug using my healing balm and slugging is just where you coat your face with an ointment so you don't lose water while you sleep and you just warm up the ointment on your hands and just press it onto your face and that will help that barrier repair and if your skin is irritated you don't want to exfoliate it you don't want to do anything to it to make it more angry you just have to baby it for a few days so interesting so using the balm

33:45Kara Goldin:just is really going to bring the hydration, keep the hydration in, but also allow it to be that much more hydrated. And it's like 20 % glycerin, right? So plain Vaseline just sits on the top of your skin and prevents water loss, which is lovely. But glycerin brings water back to your skin, right? And it's like, that's what you want, is you want something that's actually going to give your skin food and water, right? And so that's why a non-petroleum-based ointment, as long as it's hypoallergenic, can just do more for your skin. And we did clinical studies to show that. Like the skin healed much faster with my healing balm than it did with Aquaphor.

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39:29Kara Goldin:Plus, right now Rhythm is offering our listeners 15 % off your first month and free shipping at rhythm.health slash Kara Golden. That's rhythm with one H-R-Y-T-H-M dot health slash Kara Golden for 15 % off your first month and free shipping. Stop guessing. Start testing. Rhythm.health slash Kara Golden. So interesting. So you have 11 SKUs in the line. You've mentioned, I guess four of them. Do I have that right? So, so yeah, you're right. So if we did the night routine face, which is a face wash, the night treatment and the face cream, then we have the healing balm. And the healing balm was actually the first thing I did.

40:14And that's what anyone who has surgery in my office puts on their stitches. It's anyone who I laser puts on their face. It really is. And we have some kind of disgusting, but impressive before and afters on the website. Like it's a powerful healing product. In the morning, we have the day preventative treatment, which is a 10 % vitamin C antioxidant, but it's mixed with two other really powerful antioxidants, one of which is called acetalzingerone. And that is an all-star in the summer because if you get it on a sunburn, it will reverse the sunburn. So it will turn the sunburn from being red to much less red like in an hour.

40:50The sooner you get it on the burn, the faster it will work because acetalzingerone actually prevents the mutations that happen from the UV radiation. So that's not in very many antioxidants. It's very expensive, but it's really, really powerful. And then we have a face lotion, which is a lighter weight face cream, still really focused on anti-inflammation because a lot of people who have oily skin have acne and other things that are caused by inflammation. So this is centella asiatica and niacinamide, but in a much lighter feel. Then I have a lip balm, which is just like a lovely lip balm all day, every day.

41:30We joke that it's in the business of putting itself out of business because you only have to put it on like twice because it stays on your lips all day. And then I have a body repair treatment, which is sort of the sister to the face repair treatment that's really good at helping with like that creepy skin, the sunspots, It's like our body skin turnover really slows down as we age and our skin gets less soft. It gets rougher. And, you know, everyone comes in with those lines around their knees and their elbows that they hate. And so my body repair treatment, I mean, and we did a study and in 28 days we had dramatic decreasing in people's fine lines and wrinkles around their knees and elbows.

42:09I have a body cream and I like people to alternate. I like them to use their body repair treatment one night and the body cream the next night. And I intentionally made my body repair cream really hydrating because I don't have time to cover my body in two products every day. Like, who can do that? So I'm like, let's make this easy, people. You do your exfoliation one day and then you do your body cream the next day. And then we have a body wash that is currently sold out and will be relaunching this summer in new packaging.

42:40Kara Goldin:That's amazing. Well, your body lotion is amazing. So I'm so picky about my lotions and it's incredible. So really, really nice job on that. Thank you. I think so often people don't want to spend money on body products. We're like, oh, I'm okay spending$250 on my eye cream, but I don't want to spend more than$25 on my body cream. But if we think about it, 90 % of our skin is our body. So this is where we're going to be absorbing. bean. This is what's going to be washed down the drain and like accumulate in our waterways. And it needs that nutrient. And so I chose to make, I would say, more expensive.

43:22You know, they're less watery. They have a lot of oil in them. They really help dry skin. And it makes you really soft and smooth, which is fun. But it also like fix that lower leg eczema everyone gets in the winter.

43:33Kara Goldin:So as a physician launching a consumer brand, did you feel like a different level of responsibility and especially it's your name, right? So you wanted to make sure that you were launching not only products that could go beyond your practice in Seattle, but also help a lot of people. But can you talk about the thinking behind that? I take my role as a physician very seriously. And I think that in today's day and age with social media, we're supposed to create content that's entertaining and we're pushing products and we are living in this fun world. And I have trouble not always thinking about the Hippocratic Oath.

44:15And so my husband jokes that I'm incorruptible, but it's just different people are different ways. And for me, I could not believe that the best thing I could give someone to put on their skin to heal it was Vaseline. Like that's really what this all started was that, you know, many of us know the bacitracin and polysporin are a common cause of allergic reaction. A lot of doctors recommend Aquaphor, but Aquaphor has lanolin in it, which is also a common cause of allergic reaction. And so a lot of doctors just recommend plain Vaseline. And I was like, how can like this petroleum-based greasy ointment really be what your skin needs when it's healing?

44:55And I spent three years, I got FDA approval. Like I did all of this research to make something that would work better. And it was incredibly optimistic and naive of me to think that I could get into this world. Like it really was. I was it's like, what is the only way the way the best way to be brave is to think about someone who's worth being brave for. And so I wasn't doing this for me. I was doing this to solve a problem I was seeing every day for my patients. And I was like, there has to be a different option. I'll just I'll just find it like whatever. I've been to school for 26 years. I can figure this out.

45:32And so I did. But during that exercise, it opened my eyes to like physicians recommend Cetaphil. That is like our recommended face cream or face wash for anyone who has sensitive skin. Well, Cetaphil has eight ingredients, three of which are parabens. It actually doesn't take off your makeup. And I was like, wait, like I figured out Vaseline. OK, I'll figure out face wash. And so there's really those that I didn't start having nine skews. But then I did the face wash and I was like, I don't the face cream I actually made for myself that I've always had really sensitive skin. I was like, I can't find the face cream where I don't feel dry three hours later.

46:06Like this is dumb. And they're all mineral oil or dimethicone or vaseline. I'm like, I'll find something. But like squalene is really expensive. And if you look at most products, squalene is like the 10th, 11th or 13th ingredient. Like on me, It's the third, right? I have 11 % in there. So it is, you have to go, I had to go in there being like, it's not about the price. It's about the ingredient. And I do believe that people will pay for something that works, but I had to get it out there and to show people it worked.

46:37Kara Goldin:So I've heard you talk about inflammation and how the role of inflammation on skin health. So it's interesting because I think a lot of people just think, oh, I'm swollen, right? There's a lot more to it than that. But I'd love to hear you speak about, you know, the calming of the skin and how inflammation really plays a part in that. A huge part of this. So we are told by our dermatologists all the time, like, hey, just push through, keep using that tretinoin, and at some point, your skin will tolerate it. But that prolonged inflammation and peeling of your skin is activating a cascade of responses, which include the breakdown of collagen.

47:26And so I'm fine with people trying things for a week, but this is not something you want to suffer through for a month or for six weeks. And so it is, we know that controlled injury of the skin does lead to the formation of more collagen. But like when we laser someone, it is a singular injury and then the body responds. It's not this day in and day out smoldering of activating these pathways. So in addition to not wanting to irritate the skin, you want to give the skin time to respond to what you're doing to it. And if you're just constantly making it do more, it doesn't have the time to respond.

48:04Our skin is amazing at correcting damage. Like if you stop laying in the sun, the number of skin cancers you will make will decrease because your body can actually retroactively correct that DNA damage. And so that's how we should look at our skincare is like, how do we support the skin so the skin can do what it's really good at, which is correct itself. Like that's what it was evolved to do. There are some ingredients out there that we have clinical studies show are very calming to the skin for most people. One of them is niacinamide. niacinamide. There are people who are allergic to niacinamide.

48:39So it's not for everyone, but for the vast majority of it, when it's used somewhere between two and 10%, usually two to 4 % seems to be the sweet spot. It calms inflammation in your face, helps with redness, helps with the actual size of your pores because your pores become smaller because your skin is less inflamed. And so that's an ingredient that I really try to use a lot in my face moisturizers. Another ingredient is called centella asiatica, which is also been shown to be anti-inflammatory, but also has been shown to speed wound healing and to really help rebuild that skin barrier. So there are plant-based ingredients that are beneficial to the skin.

49:19And I think oftentimes doctors are worried that natural is bad. And I don't disagree with them. There's a lot of ingredients out there that are natural that are not helpful to the skin. but I'm trying to help my peers appreciate that there are clean ingredients that may be natural or may be synthetic but that add value to the skin outside of just sort of coating it.

49:45Kara Goldin:So interesting. So you touched on this right at the beginning of the episode but clean clinical and medical grade so those words like the big difference that people need to know about? Now, yes, I what happened was is in the 1990s, we as consumers got concerned. We were concerned about BPH. We were concerned about lead in our drinking water. And we sort of took took things into our own hands, which I which I'm glad that we did. And what came out of that was the launch of natural like organic foods took off and the natural skin care products took off. But what also happened is the rate of allergic reactions to personal care products went up 300%.

50:25So we are making natural products and maybe they don't have parabens in them, maybe they don't have petroleum in them, but they have essential oils and fragrance and ingredients that our skin doesn't tolerate. So then the Western medicine physicians were like, we're seeing all of these horrible reactions to these natural products. Go back to traditional. Traditional is more, you know, Cetaphil, CeraVe, where it's ingredients that are hypoallergenic, oftentimes petroleum based and are probably safe, but not maybe optimized. and then now really over the last five years a little bit longer clean is coming out the problem with clean is that is not defined so what credo clean is versus sephora clean like those are all what heather my clean is like all of those are different the yuca app but what i want it to be what i talk about it as is it's really the best of both worlds it's like taking ingredients because they are safe because they are effective because they do not accumulate in our body or the world and making products out of that to get the best possible outcomes.

51:34And like that's where there has been some pressure. And I do think in the last five years, there are more and more clean brands that are really trying to pick the best of both those worlds. I am the only brand I know of that is a physician-based brand that is also clean. So I use medical grade ingredients based on the research done in PubMed. I do clinical studies to formulate, but I will only formulate with what I have deemed as my clean ingredient list. And if you go to my website, you can see the way I break things down. You don't get included unless you do something good for the skin, right?

52:08That's the clinical efficacy component of it. But then it also has to be hypoallergenic. It has to be vegan. And then also it needs to biodegrade because I do not want these ingredients accumulating in me or in the world. And this goes back to me taking my doctoring very responsible. How horrible would I feel if you were covering your body in my body cream and it had an ingredient in it, then three years from now, we figured out it was actually a hormone disruptor. So I just choose, when the data isn't clear, I choose to avoid that ingredient. That's not saying that parabens are hormone disruptors.

52:40I'm just saying I'm not going to enter into that fray. I'm just going to go above it.

52:44Kara Goldin:So in your practice, you are also doing lasers and some of the other treatments that you talked about. Is there one thing that is in your practice that you're super hot on right now that most people can benefit from? So I spend two days a week doing surgery and I do spend two days a week doing the more complicated cosmetic procedures. And I am a huge fan of resurfacing laser. And right now, my laser of choice is the Ultraclear laser, which is an Erbium resurfacing laser. But we have lots of data showing that resurfacing lasers correct sun damage, decrease your risk of making pre-skin cancers and skin cancers help with fine lines, help with wrinkles.

53:28And now with the UltraClear, it has laser coring, which also helps with laxity. So I try to get my patients who are motivated to do a resurfacing laser before they're 40, because our ability to respond to this laser goes down as our hormones change, right? Like the more I sort of try to build up, some people have as much collagen as possible before things change. But there is a risk with these lasers. Like they are strong. They are powerful. People can get burned from them. So I want the consumer, be it my patient or people in the general public, just to really have that conversation with their provider.

54:01Like how many have you done? And we don't want to go the most aggressive possible. We actually want to go as gentle as possible to get the best results, right? So you could get the same result with a really, really hard laser and a medium laser. And so you have to really know your settings. And it's really about how me as the painter uses my paint brushes to give people outstanding outcomes. But I can take anywhere between five and 10 years off of someone with a good laser. And then it's an oldie but goodie, well-placed sculpture done the right way is beautiful. And there's a lot of discussion of sculpture means you can't have a facelift.

54:41People shouldn't be getting, you know, eight vials of Sculptra in a year. You know, for most people, it's two in my office. If they're on GLP-1s and they're losing weight faster than I can say their name, sometimes it has to be more than that. But Sculptra stimulates your body to make more collagen. And, you know, there is some concern that it makes the dissection of the planes for a facelift harder. My dear friends who are very talented plastic surgeons like David Rosenberg in Manhattan, he does not have issues with sculpture when it's done the correct way. But also a facelift is going to mess up the planes and cause scarring.

55:16So like, it's interesting to me that these plastic surgeons are saying, don't do sculpture, but it's fine to do a second facelift. So we have to take this information with a grain of salt, but I do not think there's anything I can do that will give the result of a facelift, but I can slow things down. Like I am 50 years old. I look normal, but I look younger than 50, right? And like, that's the hope is like, how do we look like ourselves, have our movement, aren't overfilled, aren't looking unusual, but feel like we're winning a few of the battles of the war? Definitely.

55:51Kara Goldin:So, well, thank you so much. So, Dr. Rogers Skincare, you've nailed it. So, so good and really appreciate you sharing all of the backstory with us and giving us a little bit of glimpse into what's going on in dermatology as well, especially around lasers and sculpture too. And thank you, everyone, for listening. Such a smart conversation. Dr. Rogers Skin Care will have all the info in the show notes. And for everyone listening, Dr. Heather Rogers is on social, also under Dr. Rogers. So thank you again. And we'll see you all next time. Thank you. Thanks again for listening to The Kara Golden Show.

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