Episode 13 - "Food Babe" Vani Hari | The Katie Miller Podcast

26:35Katie Miller:Do you think, one, if the GOP were going to push for something that would help them, again, with this Maha coalition, if there was like a federal solution that they could all get behind, do you think that's something that would eventually be helpful if it was something that they could do? or is it just a lost cause kind of thing? Yeah, I mean, I would love to see a federal action on these chemicals that food companies don't use in other countries. I would love to say if you make, you know, I would love a federal, I don't know how you would do it, but it would be great if you make a product and you can make the same product in the United States with the same ingredients that are better and safer, you should be doing that for all of your customers.

27:19Like, that could be really amazing. I don't know how you would do that in the free market. It'd be hard to do.

27:27Katie Miller:Well, it's kind of like what they did with drug pricing. You say that they had to come into the same rules as drug pricing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it could be very similar to that. Because I don't think it's, first of all, I think it's anti-American to sell safer, better, for you foods for other citizens in other countries. And, you know, Secretary Kennedy said it best. He said, if another foreign nation was doing this to us, it would be considered an act of war. So I think that needs to change. And whether it's looking at all of the specific chemicals and regulating those, which will take a lot of time because we have over 10 ,000 chemicals allowed in our food, whereas in Europe, for example, it's 400.

28:10So it's going to take a lot of time and it's going to take much more than just this administration to fix that issue. One of the issues that Secretary Kennedy is going to do at the federal level, which is closing that grass loophole, which is the loophole that allows food companies to approve chemicals for use themselves instead of any third party oversight. So that's why the food system has been inundated and there's been this floodgate of chemicals in our food supply because there's been no oversight and no safety data required. It's like the chemical companies checking their own homework.

28:46Katie Miller:For people just starting to pay attention to food ingredients, what's the first step you'd recommend? You've got to read the ingredient label. Read the ingredient label. Make sure you understand everything on it. And if you don't, look up the ingredient. Like if you're picking up a loaf of bread at the grocery store and there's monodiglycerides in it, and you're like, what the heck is that? Which, you know, I didn't know what it was either until I, you know, taught myself what it was. well it's a you know preservative it's a fatty acid that they developed actually in response to removing trans fat so it actually still has a little bit of trans fat in it and it's one of the problematic preservatives you don't want to put in your body so it's like if it's not there for a nutritional purpose do I really want to be consuming it and and that's really that the question you need to ask and you don't need to be a rocket scientist or nutritionist to know that answer, you can use your common sense.

29:42And I think what's so beautiful about that phrase, you know, if you can pronounce it, then you should eat it, right? Or if you can't pronounce it, don't eat it, is it allows people to use their common sense. And a lot of, you know, people who are dependent upon the paychecks of chemical corporations hate when anyone says that because they think it's unscientific. But it's one of the fastest ways you can just use your common sense when you can figure out whether you should be eating something or not.

30:15Katie Miller:If every American changed just one food habit starting tomorrow, which do you think would make the biggest difference in public health? Just eat real food. Yeah. If they just ate real food, like no packaged processed food. It can be packaged, but just not. Not like Oreos, but an apple. Who's the biggest poser in the Maha movement? Oh my gosh.

30:42This is funny. Gosh. I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's a poser.

30:55Well, that's a good question. Sorry. Do I ever talk about it?

30:57Katie Miller:We can come back if you want to No, this is so good. That's a good one. Like, who is a poser? You know, I mean, this is my honest answer. I can't I can't think of a poser because like what what is so awesome about this movement to get people healthy is that everybody's coming at it from a very virtuous place, you know, an authentic place because they've had health issues. or they've had someone in their family that's been sick or they see the pain that the country's going through. And I think that's what makes this movement so powerful is because we have so much passion about not eating processed foods and avoiding seed oils and making sure we buy organic regenerative meat and dairy and how we avoid GMOs.

31:55I think all of us are really passionate about that. And I would say the biggest posers in Maha are the ones that like, it's kind of like this time, this time. I don't, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't know if there's any posers. I mean, there's definitely a lot of critics, but.

32:16Katie Miller:What do you give your kids in a pinch when you're like on the road or out of the house and you didn't bring something with you? Oh, like what would I, I would stop by like somewhere and buy something. Yeah. Like if you're at like the good examples, right? We're at the zoo. I didn't expect to be there. It's lunchtime. Like, and everything sucks. So what do I do? All I think about is food as a mom. Like no one ever tells you when you have kids that for 18 years, you're going to be thinking about breakfast, lunch, and dinner and a million snacks all the time. So literally my bag is always full of food.

32:49So I would, I would never get caught in that situation but if okay so if yeah if I did if I did and I was at the zoo I would look for some kind of whole fruit probably is what I give you an example we went to apple picking and we ended

33:04Katie Miller:up staying there like two hours later than I thought because the kids were having a great time we'd already run through every single snack in my bag and I had brought a lot of snacks and I was like all that's left is this like farmer's market porch which had chicken fingers pizza a hot dog and apple cider donuts. And I was like, well, enjoy the chicken nuggets, children. This will never happen again. Like, but that's, I mean, that's the choice though, right? Is that there is no one making out of that menu. I probably would have done, I would have done the donuts. So probably at least they're like probably homemade, right?

33:40They're not coming from Krispy cream or no or dunkin donuts right so yeah i would have done the donuts what's the worst food you

33:49Katie Miller:could give kids right now if you rank them like what's the top five worst food happy meal uh formula certain formulas um uh

34:07go-gurt oh go-gurt's so bad yeah go-gurt's fruit roll-ups fruit gushers all of that artificially dyed fruit snack stuff Reese's peanut butter cups they have an ingredient called TBHQ in there that affects like kids immune systems um so if I was going trick-or-treating

34:29Katie Miller:with my kids what Halloween candy should I not let that allow them to eat I would not let them eat anything from Mars Corporation so that's like Skittles and M &M's uh I would not let Skittles is probably the worst the worst are M &M's really that bad because of all the food dyes yes M &M's are bad because of all the food dyes but I would say Skittles are worse and then because the amount of sugar in Skittles it's significantly more uh then here here's what I do with Halloween this these are tough questions here's what I do with Halloween we do the switch which and there's even an amazing book on the switch which and she is amazing she comes and she cleans up all the poisonous candy.

35:22It makes her broom run faster. And then she leaves an amazing toy for your child the next morning. And that child, I know because my kids love that toy more than anything in their Halloween basket. Do you think Yum! candy brands are still not great? No, I would definitely buy Yum! Earth or Unreal. Yep. Those are great. I'm trying to think what other.

35:46Katie Miller:Do you follow the 80-20 rule work like I do great 80 % of the time but 20 % I can't control like I cannot get over that every kid's birthday party has Domino's pizza and at a certain point like it just drives me up the wall but it's like you know my kids are there and I bring my own pizza for the kids and then it's like do they notice that they're different than their friends and I just don't know where that line starts and stops right I do the best I can in my household right when they're little you can control a lot, but once they hit that 9, 10, 11, 12, where the peer group becomes more important, it's becoming more challenging.

36:21Even, you know, my daughter's eight, about to turn nine. I'm seeing the gravitation towards the junk that other people are consuming. And even though she's my child and she's learned from the very beginning, it's going to be a challenge. And I also want to teach her how to take care of herself. So maybe it's also her learning the hard way in a way of, hey, I told you know, you know, the truth about Domino's pizza, you can choose to eat it if you're really hungry. But I just want to let you know, you may not feel great after or, you know, it's not the best. And you know what, one time is not going to kill you.

37:03Like, I never want my children to feel like, you know, they can't eat or because they're hungry, because it might be some really terrible option. You know, I want them to enjoy life too. But I think, again, this is where it's so important to like, curate your own little commune of friends and try to share information. I think this is where I think, again, social media is so powerful. When one mom shares her opinion about the soccer game snacks in a group chat, you know, then all the other moms start to pay attention, too. And they start saying, OK, fine, I'm not going to pick up the Dunkin' Donuts in the morning for the morning game.

37:51I'm going to pick up a bag of oranges instead. Right. And so it's like, can we stop being so afraid of telling people, hey, can we have options that are healthier for our kids and not being afraid to be that outlier and to be unconventional? because really I think that's another amazing skill to teach your child, which is in order to survive in this world, you have to sometimes be unconventional and go against the grain. And you don't want to just be a lemming, right?

38:27Katie Miller:You mentioned that you said that Halloween candy was poisonous. Do you use that language with your kids? Because I've read a lot about like I shouldn't label certain foods as bad or sugary or bad for you. You should just say we don't do that and use like softer language. No. Or do you call it out with the kids? Like, what do you do? It's impossible. They watch all my TV clips. It's impossible. They know. Because, like, in our house, we try to create all foods don't have a rank, right? Like, you don't rank dessert above dinner. And so it's hard to not prioritize. Like, I don't know how, but, like, my three-year-old clearly understands that, like, cupcakes is the priority food group over, like, the chicken parmesan.

39:03Katie Miller:And I'm like, who taught you that? And it's, like, his own taste buds, apparently. Yes. Fascinating. What would you say is if you were going to the market now and you're, what snacks are you buying for your kids if they're prepackaged? Okay, great. I, I, I, again have, my bag is full of snacks and it's even full of snacks now when I'm traveling by myself. Um, so I love these pre-made olive packs. They're amazing. So a couple of different brands make it and you can get them off Amazon and they're organic, a couple ingredients. Do you worry about the plastic? No, never. Because packaged snacks are always going to come in plastic, right?

39:44Unless you pick a whole fruit, which I always try to throw in a whole fruit in my bag, like an apple or some mandarin oranges or whatever, a banana, that travel well. I mean, a lot of times, you know, before I leave for the house, no matter where I'm going with the kids, I will go chop up cucumbers, red pepper, strawberries real quick, throw it in one of their, you know, lunch boxes and just have that in the car at all available times. So then when they're hungry, they're noshing on that first at least. And then maybe they might go to my bag for the package snacks. So I love the dried olives. I like Epic meat sticks.

40:22So they make a salmon one that my kids love, wild salmon. So those are like the non-sugary options. Then I like Soli, which makes like a one ingredient dried mango gummy and dried mango strips. There's another company that just, I can't wait to try, but it's got really cute branding called Mortal Munchies, which is they're just taking dried fruit and making it fun for kids. We need more companies like that that are using cool, clever packaging to appeal to kids but is one ingredient and good stuff inside. I'm trying to think what other snacks I have in my bag. I have pumpkin seeds. I have all kinds of nuts.

41:09Not for the kids, usually for me. And then, you know, I travel with those little packs of peanut butter and almond butter and we'll put that on an apple on the go. I'll put that between rice crackers on the go. Have your kids ever had fast food? They've had Chipotle.

41:28Katie Miller:Yeah, but not like... Is Chipotle terrible for you? You know, it's just, it's not the best. It's not the best, but it's not the worst. And, you know, it's... The problem with eating out is actually all the things you don't know that are happening behind the scenes. Okay, so for example, the cheese sauce that you eat with the chips at Chipotle is coming in a plastic bag. And in order for them to make it hot. It warms up in the plastic. They warm it up in the plastic, right? And they're putting it in a boiling pot and then pouring it out. And I'm watching this in the background because they have the big window and you can see everything.

42:16And this plastic is melting right into the cheese. And I'm just like, I don't think I'm going to get that today. I'm just going to get the extra guac. So, you know, so there's all kinds of things happen. And that is happening for the rice. That's happening for the beans. It's happening for a lot of things is parboiled that way. So I just say as much as you can, control the food as much as you can by eating at home, home, getting people to help you meal prep, whatever you need help with. My husband thankfully cooks, so we share that responsibility, which is great. A lot of times I'm the prepper and he's the cooker or vice versa.

43:01So we're not sitting there the whole time doing everything so one of us can be with the kids during that crucial period of 5.30.

43:11and you're going to have to eat out. But maybe pick a couple places you know have quality ways of cooking and that's your go-to when you have to eat out. But it's not just whatever's available, fast food. What's the best of the worst if I were to eat out?

43:28Katie Miller:I'm on the go and I didn't pack snacks because like I always forget to eat. What's the move? What's the move? So I love like a sweet greens or a kava or a chopped where there's a lot of raw fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds and things that you can make a really great meal from. I love a place like that where you can make a bowl and it's really delicious. Or you just maybe hop into a Whole Foods and hit the hot bar or something. Do you think the hot bar at Whole Foods is still better? No. So it's about the same.

44:06But I just, you know, it's I don't know when you when you start eating whole real food. You know, here's the problem.

44:15Katie Miller:Once you know, I go a lot of days where I don't eat because I'm like so not scared of eating out. But I'm like, oh, I could make such a better choice. And by the time I'm like, OK, let me go find the better choice. I'm like, I've missed my window to eat lunch today. Yeah. Yeah. I need to pack more snacks. Yeah, pack more snacks. There's a lot of great snacks you can throw in your bag. I mean, I found so many different ways to keep hot things, too, with like using my kids' thermoses and stuff, too, or keep things cold on the go. I mean, a lot of times I can freeze a smoothie and take it on a plane because it's frozen.

44:48They don't consider it liquid. And then by the time lunch hits around, it's thawed out in my bag. Where are you on raw milk? It's fine. I mean, I think it's healthy and good for you. I do believe that a lot of the amazing beneficial bacteria is killed in the pasteurization process. So, yeah.

45:08Katie Miller:Who are some of the biggest health and wellness influencers that you follow? Health and wellness influencers. Wow. They're all my friends. They're all my friends. Like I think about, you know, Callie Means and Casey Means and I think about Dr. Mark Hyman and I think about Alex Clark and Courtney Swan and Health Lily and, you know, Dr. Josh Axe and Max Goldberg and Will Cole. I mean, I just, they're all my friends, like Paul Saladino and, you know, others. Yeah. In 2011, when you started the Food Babe, I don't think, I mean, there wasn't this same amount of information and accessibility into what you're doing now.

46:03Katie Miller:Do you ever look back and say like, wow, this is absolutely incredible and we're actually doing it? Yes. Or do you still think there's such a big mountain to climb that you think we're just at like the base of the mountain? I still feel like we're at the base of the mountain. Until I can go to a football game or, you know, a kid's show and they have organic options and healthier for you options, I'm not going to feel like we've made much headway. Like there's still a cultural awakening that needs to happen at every moment in American life. and I mean even now like when I go through the airport and I see a better for you brand I am excited I'm like yes they have got it here I can buy something from this you know um from Hudson News or whatever right so so it's like uh you know I think we just we need more healthy options everywhere in every part of life and there shouldn't be this moment of I have to poison my kid or not.

47:12Katie Miller:I'm going to run through the list of your accomplishments so far really quick. In Chick-fil-A, you got them to remove dyes and corn syrup and TBHQ. Chipotle created an online ingredient transparency page. Kraft Foods removed artificial dyes and preservatives from all mac and cheese products. Subway removed the yoga mat chemical from their sandwich bread and pledged to start using antimicrobatic-free meat. Starbucks revamped their PSL to their pumpkin spice latte. To include real pumpkin and remove class 4 caramel color. Heineken Roof Class 4 Caramel Color from their Newcastle Brown Ale. Guinness stopped using fish swim bladder in refining process to make it vegan friendly.

47:48Katie Miller:Anheuser-Busch and Miller Coors released their ingredients list within 24 hours of your petition. Which of those, or I say what even the ones I did not list, has been your proudest victory thus far? My proudest victory is probably transforming my brother. Because he never listened to his little sister. and it took becoming the food babe and getting on the national stage for him to really start to clean up his diet and stop drinking soda and you know it made a lot of changes with his health and so for me that was probably the most impactful thing that's happened it's just that personal relationship I have with him and and really that's you know with family you can't just go in their pantry and clean it out and, you know, replace everything.

48:39It's a lot more complex than that. And, you know, he won't even let me in his pantry anymore. So, so it's, it's, you know, with family, you just can only like lead by example really, and just hope for change and, and keep walking the walk and showing how to do things. And, And so for me, that was, I feel like, even harder to change than some of these big corporations.

49:08Katie Miller:Are there any companies you're actively working with to make changes to their products? So right now, I feel like I'm constantly working with the entire food industry to do that, right? I think a lot about what we're doing at Truvani, where we're changing the food industry from the inside out. When we came out with our protein powder, we were the brand that had the least amount of ingredients that had no unnecessary chemicals. And now I'm seeing our competitors start to mimic what we've done and even our packaging and putting the number of ingredients on the front of the label like we've been doing.

49:48And that's really exciting to me because that tells me that not only is there a marketplace for cleaner ingredients, but people really care about this. And, you know, my partners laugh and they get really competitive when that happens and they get mad. But I actually get really excited because that means that there's more safer products for more people being available. And really, that was my goal with starting Truvani, was to change the food industry from the inside out and create a marketplace for supplements where we don't have to have all these unnecessary ingredients.

50:25Katie Miller:Did you launch protein powder to start because you found that that had the most ingredients? Or why did you start there? Yes, because it was my fast food option. So when you asked me earlier, you know, what would I go to? The reason why I use protein powder is because instead of going to the McDonald's drive-thru or a lesser option, I love to make a quick shake. And it's hard to, like, go make a quality piece of protein when you're in a hurry. So using a protein powder is very easy. And then you can add quickly greens and fruit and an avocado or some hemp seed or whatever in there to add a little bit of fat.

51:09And it's a meal. And so for me, I was always using protein powder for fast food. But the problem is, is all of the protein powders out there had all these chemicals I didn't want to consume. Or they tasted really bad and were very super chalky. or, you know, one that I was consuming got recalled because it had rat droppings in it. So, I mean, I had all kinds of issues that happened as, you know, I was using the supplement and I just knew it could be done better. And when I found out that the machines will run faster with these chemicals, and that's the reason why a lot of these protein companies use this, these chemicals in a powdered product, I was like, there's got to be a different way.

51:54And so at Truvani, we just committed from the very start that we would use none of these controversial chemicals and we would find a way to create products without unnecessary toxins. What supplements do you swear by? So I take Truvani turmeric, Truvani vitamin D, Truvani immune support every single day, probiotic. And then I take collagen. And I usually put that collagen either in my coffee or in my smoothie. And I use the marine collagen that we have. We also have a bovine collagen. And then, of course, my protein powder in my smoothies. And I try to have a smoothie Monday through Friday at lunchtime because since my kids are at school, I just try to like cram in as much work as possible.

52:43So I don't even want to spend time on lunch. That's my fast food at lunchtime. And my typical smoothie is always ginger, lemon, whatever greens I have growing in the garden, and then either an apple or a pear or berries, avocado or hemp seed, and water, basically. And then I usually rotate through the different flavors of Truvani.

53:06Katie Miller:What industry or category of food is ripe to be disrupted next? Oh, that's a good question. I think infant formula. Yeah, infant formula needs a lot of disruption in this country. And I'm really excited about Operation Stork Speed at the federal level because the nutritional requirements for infant formula haven't been looked at in over 30 years. You know, I have been breastfeeding now for almost nine years. and so I am a huge fan of breastfeeding but there is a time and a place for a woman to choose how they want to feed their child and 70 percent of our women in America use some type of formula at some point during the journey and I just remember as soon as I went to destination maternity and bought my first maternity top, I was getting Similac in the mail that had corn syrup in it.

54:06And when I gave birth, Similac was in my to-go bag when I left the hospital.

54:12Katie Miller:It's what they're giving infants in the NICU. Yeah. And I just think there needs to be better options that are using whole organic grass-fed bread milk and no additives and are doing whatever they can to create a formula that is close to breast milk as possible. When my daughter was born and she needed a hydrolyzed formula, there was none on the market in the U.S. that didn't have corn syrup as the first ingredient. And now I think Bobby is selling a version of that. I think Bi Heart is now doing that. Yes. But that's it. And there was none four years ago. Yeah. Serenity Kids is another one. It's really good.

54:52But a lot of the regulations that have prohibited the innovation in it need to be looked at. And I think that we just need to have a whole overhaul of options there for people. Because when I, I remember when I had my daughter, when she's, you know, eight again, so eight years ago, I brought a formula from Europe that I ordered to the hospital just in case something were to happen that I couldn't breastfeed because I wasn't sure if I could breastfeed or not because I'd never had a child before and I was so worried about giving her the corn syrup formula. So I ordered it overseas and like women shouldn't have to do that.

55:34That's what I did.

55:36Katie Miller:All my formula came from Europe. All right. So now we're going to play a game of Would You Rather. We've played this on every episode of the pod. Would you rather eat a mystery meal where you don't get to read the ingredient list or eat a donut fried in seed oils while live streaming to your followers? Donut. Can you tell I like donuts? What would you rather ban first nationwide? High fructose corn syrup or artificial dyes? High fructose corn syrup. Would you rather live in a world where every food is clean but tastes like cardboard or one where food tastes amazing but you can't trust any labels?

56:13I don't know. I want to go back to that. Sorry. That's a hard one. High fructose corn syrup or artificial food dyes. So can I just explain? Yeah, go for it. We'll go back.

56:23Katie Miller:Go ahead. I have to explain. So the reason why I say high fructose corn syrup is because high fructose corn syrup is coming from genetically engineered corn. So genetically engineered corn is being sprayed with glyphosate. And that's ending up in human breast milk. It's ending up in our food. It's ending up everywhere. And we know that causes cancer, right? And if it's being sprayed on corn, we have high fructose corn syrup in so many products. I think if I'd have to look at the data, but if there's more high fructose corn syrup in products, which I think there is, than there is artificial food dyes, I think high fructose corn syrup wins.

57:05But they're both very close. So that's a tough one. Anyways, I didn't think about my answer.

57:11Katie Miller:Okay, we'll go back. Would you rather live in a world where every food is clean, but tastes like cardboard, or one where food tastes amazing, but you can't trust any labels? Cardboard. Would you rather give up coffee forever, or only allowed to be a drink it out of a red solo cup for a year? Give up coffee forever. What? No, no. I would drink out of the red Solo cup. Out of the plastic? I don't. This is awful. Very bad. This is like purgatory. I don't know. I don't know. Would you rather be known as the organic cookie monster or the anti-additive avenger? Organic cookie monster. What's one ingredient you always keep in your kitchen?

57:55Katie Miller:Lemons. What do you put it on? Everything? I drink lemon water first thing in the morning, every single morning. It's part of my routine in the morning. It like jumpstarts your liver. It's good for digestion. It gets everything moving. It keeps me hydrated. I drink a huge glass of it. And my husband does it too. And I swear it just keeps me super healthy. So. What's one ingredient you'd ban from the food system forever? GMOs. What's the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word seed oils? Toxic pesticides. What do you think of, this will be a little tangent, what do you think of the people who are now saying that, oh, it's not seed oils that are bad for you, it's things in moderation, and these people have gone too crazy on saying seed oils are bad for you?

58:42Katie Miller:Because you've seen that in the last few months turn, I guess. Yeah, well, I mean, this happens no matter who the villain is in terms of ingredient. and everyone always says, oh, why don't you just do things in moderation? That's an excuse to keep poisoning us. So I don't like the word moderation. What's your guilty pleasure of food that isn't 100 % clean? Donuts. Do you ever eat them from Dunkin' Donuts? No. I will never go to Dunkin' Donuts. I will never go to Krispy Kreme. But I will eat a donut from a local cool artisan place. There's a place called Salty in Charlotte. It just opened up. It's delicious.

59:21Katie Miller:The salty donut? Yeah, salty. Is it here too? Do you have it? No, it started in Miami by actually a high school friend of mine. Oh, no way. Yes, it's a fun fact. Well, you can tell her. I love it. What's one food you'll never eat again? Skittles, probably. I don't know. A lot. There's a lot I'll never eat again. What's the last thing you were influenced to buy? 80 % of the American diet. Yeah, 80 % of the American diet. You're not eating it? That's my answer to that. what's the last thing you were influenced to buy um sorry I don't know um you don't get like the Instagram ads and then like click buy I mean clothes all the time right like I always am it's like the rotating thing from even Marcus or Nordstrom like the carousel the carousel like oh I like that I like that I like that yeah no I mean usually so yeah usually outfits probably What's your skincare routine?

1:00:20Oh gosh, it's gotten a little bit more complex lately. I used to be super low-key, but I had an inflammation situation happen around my cheeks where I got some hyperpigmentation. And so I started using some products, which I'm just not a product person. So typically it's, I use coconut oil and sesame oil to moisturize. I use a very exclusive soap from Truvani that was never released to the public, but we made a lot of. And so I am hoarding all of the soap and it's made with coconut oil, olive oil, and sea salt. And that's, those are the only ingredients. And it's an amazing soap. So I just use that in the shower.

1:01:15and then I've been using this product from Herbal Face Food and it's all plant-based botanicals super clean like the cleanest stuff in the world and they have this product called The Cure which looks like it looks like you're putting orange like trimetic or syrup on your face and it stings your face and it like it almost like activates but I've been putting that on the hyperpigmentation and I can see that it's starting to lessen so that's exciting so but I haven't I my typical routine is really simple it's like that little bit of soap and then coconut oil and

1:01:57Katie Miller:how do you get your makeup off coconut oil it gets it off and then so yeah okay yeah if you could host a dinner party with three people dead or alive who's sitting at the table and what are you eating host a dinner party dead three people three people okay it'd be my mother-in-law my dad and my grandma and I would cook for them what would you cook probably my butternut squash soup and homemade focaccia bread and like a roast chicken French roast chicken or something and for dessert we would have some kind of pound cake because my dad loved pound cake yeah that's what we would do normally we end on that question, but I have two follow-ups.

1:03:00Katie Miller:Okay. Do you let your kids eat real birthday cake? Or do you make something that's like better for them that doesn't have like cane sugar? So when they were really little, I would make all their birthday cakes without cane sugar. But now that they're getting older, I allow them to have some cane sugar. And they know to kind of, if they're at a birthday party or something, to scrape off the icing if it's colored to avoid the artificial dyes and I let them have a little bit and I let them live. But a lot of times I usually always make their birthday cake usually. Yeah. And I always try to use coconut sugar instead of cake.

1:03:39Katie Miller:This is a family conversation between myself and my sister-in-law. So I just like feel like I needed to know. And I said too, but that'll be my last one. I promise. Thank you so much for doing this. I've learned a lot. I hope my viewers have learned a lot. I know that you are the first person I look up at like my Instagram feed, like my sister and I have these conversations. We always go to your page and reference it before we go look at the better option or go learn more. And I know a lot of moms look up to you and look for your content as what they should do and how they should eat and how they should be feeding their kids.

1:04:12Katie Miller:So I wanted to thank you because I do think it's very powerful and important. And so thank you for doing this. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me, Katie. It was really fun conversation. Thank you for watching this episode of the Katie Miller podcast. Don't forget, we're changing to Tuesday nights at 6 p.m. Please remember to like, follow, subscribe, share. We can only do this with you. Thank you so much for watching and we'll see you next week, Tuesdays, 6 p.m.