Marco & Jeanette Rubio Get REAL About Marriage, Faith, & Kids | KMP Ep.51

18:13Right, and the other two are, right. So the other two are... Is too much for him to be here? No, it's just three dogs in the house is too much. Plus, I think it's just hard to manage the three. so the one is back over there and then we have the two and then we have one that's really smart it's you know these are golden doodles but this one's more poodle than doodles so than golden very smart yeah knows how to open the door so one day i think pete and his family were just sitting around watching television and and they keep their front door open because they have cats which i never took pete for a cat guy but oh my god and and so uh and anyway and my dog just walked into their living room and looked around realized I'm in the wrong house and turned around and walked out so uh so they've had some experience over there but I think the dogs are attracted to his house because the cats I'll never catch him but um but the so yes he entered his he was sitting there watching tv and he entered their house and he's like they're like what is this we're dying of embarrassment but um but yes so our dog does open the door many doors now the flip side of it is that one of Pete's cats oftentimes I'll get home at night and the cat is just sitting on my porch and just looks at me like what are you doing here like that kind of attitude well it's gen cats it's gen it's the kids the kids want an animal so they ended up but the cat is a very there's a lot of cats yeah yeah because I mean there's a lot of kids to be honest with you it's a very arrogant cat because the cat is on my porch acting like you know what are you doing in my house and it's like you know your house your house is two doors down but the cat just looks at you You know, usually a cat, you approach it, this thing does not take off running.

19:44He just sits there, the tail's going on like this, and he's just staring at you like, what's up? And I'm like, this cat's amazing. I don't even know the name of this cat. Oh yeah, and not one fear of the dogs, so. Yeah.

19:57Katie Miller:Given that you're from Florida, we're gonna run through some Florida man headlines. I'm gonna quiz you if you think they're real or fake. Okay. I probably know some of these people, so let's go. A Florida man was caught on camera driving a lawnmower through Publix parking lot at 2 a.m. At 2 a.m.? Yeah. I don't know if it was at 2 a.m., but I can see that happening. Yeah. That one's fake. Well, I would have done that. I mean, you're talking about the ones you drive? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if they're road certified, but maybe he was stealing it. Florida man fights off alligator with fishing pole and a bulldog helps.

20:33Hmm. You really can't fight an alligator off of a fishing pole.

20:37Katie Miller:This one's real. I don't know, but he didn't lose. He didn't win that fight. Probably not. Florida man accused of stealing more than$500 ,000 worth of onions and potatoes. $500 ,000 worth? I don't think that's true. Was this when Biden was president? Because inflation was high, so maybe... Okay. It's true. It's true. Oh, wow. Florida man who says he saw the Antichrist before I-75 crash tries to steal medical helicopters. Yes, that's absolutely true. Yeah, 100 % true. Yeah. I mean, that happens to everybody. Florida man calls 911 because a pelican won't stop following him. True. Fake. I would call 911.

21:17Katie Miller:Yeah, me too. Pelicans are scary. The pelican? Yeah. Well, not the, yeah, the pelican. They can be aggressive animals. People don't realize that. Florida man breaks in. Don't ask me how I know.

21:30Katie Miller:Florida man breaks into store with a chainsaw, steals$12 ,000 worth of Pokemon cards. False. That can't be true. 100 % real. Oh my gosh. Wow. With a chainsaw? Mm-hmm. I mean, okay. What's a conspiracy theory that you believe in? I'm asking both of you. A conspiracy theory that I believe in? Hmm. Well, I don't, okay, it's not a conspiracy theory. Okay. Okay. And, but I have long been on this UAP thing. Okay. And now, you know, I've sort of surrendered that portfolio to someone else who you know well, who's very much in charge of the UAP issue. Just be again. It's not what I say is I don't know who it is I don't know what it is But there are things flying over our military installation and they're not ours and we should look into this be serious about it And I did that for a long time in the Senate and it had two benefits The first is that obviously it's a legitimate topic and the second is whatever the news of the day was It was controversial and a reporter comes up to you and you say to them Look, I don't have time for these questions about politics.

22:32Do you realize there's things flying over airspace? You know, we don't know what they are and the reporters I go. What do you know? Tell me more So it was extraordinarily effective as a diversionary tactic in addition to now that said it's also a very legitimate Topic that we should be covering so I don't call it a conspiracy I don't know if I I don't know the answer to any of it I'm just you know asking the questions about you know We should know what's flying over our airspace, but I don't think that's a conspiracy theory as much as it is just It can be in some sense because people do believe we're covering something up and I assure you like in this administration if we knew, like the president would be all over.

23:05Like there would be, you know, primetime address. He would, you know, he'd be showing the pictures and the videos. But, you know, Stephen's on that case now. And I think he's doing a great job with that. Do you hear a lot about it?

23:15Katie Miller:No, he says it's classified. Oh, okay. I try. He's like, it's classified. She doesn't believe in any conspiracy. What's your conspiracy or you believe in? No, I don't really, I don't really pay much attention to that, to be honest with you. We landed on the moon? I believe that we landed. I mean, I do. I do believe that. I mean, I don't believe in any of that stuff. I know there's some people. I don't pay attention to that stuff. Honestly, I don't have like I'm doing my things with my kids. I don't really. How do you decompress after a long day? Oh, my gosh. I go to the gym. She doesn't decompress.

23:49That's she does not. It's all day until like right. And then she goes to sleep and she's asleep in 30 seconds. It's true. I am. I am. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, watching YouTube videos, you know, about college football or something else.

24:02Katie Miller:So what do you fall asleep to at night? YouTube videos? Sometimes. It depends, like, all right, so this, they have the stuff where you can put, like it's a dark screen and it sounds like it's raining outside and you hear thunder, you ever seen those, and they run like 12 hours. And those things are great, because, you know. They sell hatch machines for babies. I know, but those can be hacked. This is YouTube and this is perfect. And so it's running, and then the only problem with these videos, because it's like a dark screen, rain and thunder, and rain sometimes will make you sleepy if you listen to it the right way is you got to pick the right one because otherwise like four hours into the video some commercial pops up you know and it wakes you up and so he struggles to sleep no doubt so like so what do you fall asleep to oh i don't i can just closing her eyes i just close my eyes and i'm gone i'm asleep you you can i can yeah i do i just you know do my i'm tired and then i go to sleep but what happens sometimes i'll have some some concern and i'll tell marco something with the kids or whatever and he's like don't tell me i'm like i have to tell you and then of course he can't go to sleep he that's it he's pacing up and down and he's calling the kids in the middle of the night what's going on so then you know i mean so she can go to sleep in 30 seconds it's a problem because for example so she'll like dump on you and then you stay up no but like at night she'll be scrolling no i stopped doing that just because of that she'll be looking like at instagram stuff at night just videos about stuff or whatever and so i'm half half asleep and and all of a sudden some video pops up and it's really loud and it wakes me up and that's it.

25:30That's another hour from me, an hour and a half. She on the other hand, as literally can put the phone down, close her eyes 30 seconds later. No, I'll pray and then go to bed and I'm done. So you should pray more.

25:43Katie Miller:What keeps you up at night? Everything. I mean, especially her phone. Everything. Imagine you're falling asleep and all of a sudden the video comes up. Hey guys, have you heard anything? Like what? What happened? Who's here? Who's in my room? Get ready with this. It's crazy. So, you know, that... And the thing is that then you need complete silence in that room. So then, of course, sometimes I'll just start cracking up, whatever. Something will happen and then, you know, he'll get mad. Not that the glow, it's a scientifically proven thing. The glow of the screen will keep you up. And her phone is always on the brightest thing, so the whole room is lit up.

26:17That's not true. And then you hear somebody screaming all of a sudden. That's completely exaggerated. Completely. Completely exaggerated. It's very relatable. It's a form of torture, like it's banned in many countries. You can't keep people up at night like showing up videos. That is true. So yes, it's my passive aggressive way of, you know, when he decides to watch TV the whole day. I've never watched TV the whole day. No, I know, I know. I know, I'm just kidding. I wish. Okay.

26:42Katie Miller:What's your biggest irrational fear? Irrational fear? Yeah. I don't know if I have irrational fears. I think everything I fear is rational. This is going right to Iran and North Korea. Oh, you're talking about worker and life. I'm just joking about life. I don't know. Carbon monoxide poisoning, fire, and stuff like that. I would say fear of something having to our kids. You know what I bought? I did buy this. Okay, I'll say this. I can't believe this. Okay, have you seen this commercial where there's like a plunger that you put on someone's throat and they're choking? Oh my gosh, he bought one of those.

27:11This thing that Ben Carson sells? I bought four of those. He bought one of those, exactly. My biggest fear is I'm in a hotel room by myself halfway around the world and I choke on a piece of steak and they find me the next morning. It's like, oh, he died. How did he die? He choked. It's true. On a piece of steak. It's true. It's true. So I don't travel with it. I should. So much so that I used to have to cut our kids' meat so small. People die of choking. It's a thing that happens. Yeah, but if you... But this thing, you put it on their mouth and you go, and there's like a plunger in it. He sure did.

27:37I've seen that. He sure did. There's like two out there.

27:39Katie Miller:So I'll share with you my irrational fear of... I saw a TikTok video where the mom had the kid escape the house because they were going to grandma's house soon. So the kid opens the mom's car door because it leaves the car door unlocked, buckled himself into his car seat. she thankfully had some like mom's intuition, got her kid what was like 100 degrees outside and prevented a hot car death. That's so scary. So now last night on Amazon, I'm sitting there buying like the unbuckle me clips from my kids and keeping them right by it in their cup holder so they can unbuckle themselves out of their car.

28:05But you have to teach them how to use it.

28:07Katie Miller:Yeah, they're pretty, I mean, they can buckle themselves in. She has it. She's telling you she doesn't have any rational, so Florida has a lot of canals, right? You know this, you're from Florida. Yeah, but you have the window break. Oh, she had the whole thing. She had the drill with a hammer and how you break the window if you go under the water. Yes. And she had that. Okay, hold on. That's just one. I don't really... See, he thinks about the worst things. I don't. I don't think of that. I think of the worst thing because we used to do long drives with our kids and if there was a canal, like near the...

28:35All of a sudden, she would bring it out. She would leave the kit like out just in arms. We kept breaking windows here. But she had the whole kit. You break the window, but you know you have to be underwater. Is there any data though

28:46Katie Miller:that how many people have actually gone into the canals and then used the window breaks? Because like I grew up too, like just this scared with the window breaks. Right. I don't know of anyone. I mean, I personally don't know anyone that's gone into a canal. And so I don't know how common that is. It's not that common. You just open your window. I mean, I don't think you have to have if it's an electronic window, you're stuck because the electronic doesn't work. Now you're in there. So that's where you need the hammer. So I don't know if it's irrational, but she was prepared for that contingency.

29:12No, my fear, I would say my fears are more based on my kids, truly something happening to them or whatever. That's what my fear was. And then, of course, sharks. Well, sharks not an irrational thing.

29:23Katie Miller:No, sharks are very rational. Of course. Of course. Again, I have a little nephew who was visiting us here yesterday and he wanted to watch Jaws. I said, I have an even better movie than Jaws. Jaws is boring. Oh my gosh. It was such a ridiculous movie. Such a ridiculous movie. Who puts that for kids? Hurricane brings the shark to the shore. It was awful. There's a Sharknado, I think it's number three, that's in Washington, D.C. and the sharks are in the white house and there's a president that's shooting at them and all that and which all sounds crazy but now you could see actually there's a scene where the sharks are in the reflecting pool in the sharknado movie and this was 10 years ago so I'm like yeah I got to show this to the president we might you know we might have a feature here for people and uh can Can you imagine?

30:08We put sharks in the reflecting pool. Oh gosh, anyway. This whole thing's off the rails. You're not gonna be even air this.

30:17Katie Miller:That one is crazy, it's crazy. How often do you talk to President Trump? Every day. What's been the latest at night and the earliest in the morning? Early in the morning, he'll start working the phones at or around 6 a.m. and at night, I don't know, 2, 2.30 maybe, so that I can recall. But I don't think there's a I mean if he's working on stuff he's working on it But but I would say probably the latest I can recall like fielding a call from him is around shortly after two o 'clock And probably the earliest is before, you know, just after six. What's the best joke he's ever told you? The best joke He's not like his people he's funny But he's not a joke teller, right?

30:59Like he's not he just he tells he's a great narrator and he's got incredible people don't realize like he's been a public figure for almost half a century like he has he met a lot of people and he's gotten to know a lot of people over the years and um and so he has great stories going back to like celebrities in the 80s and people he interacted with and people he was around so um i don't know if one in particular that stands out but i'm fascinated by these stories because some of these are stories that go i mean he knew michael jackson he knew uh you know you know he knew everybody he knew everybody at some point or another.

31:32He had interacted with everybody. He's just got great stories. If you ask him about somebody, he'll go back and tell you about them. And it's pretty amazing life he's lived.

31:42Katie Miller:When he approached you to be Secretary of State, is that something you were seeking, or did that just happen? Yeah, I don't know if approach is the right term. He just basically called me and told me, you're going to be the Secretary of State. I mean, it wasn't presented as like an option. A, you can stay in the Senate, or B, you can... Not really. I mean, I think, but there'd been some sense that something like that could happen. But, you know, it was the middle of the campaign and I wasn't going to raise it and he wasn't going to talk about it. But I think it was maybe like 48 hours after or maybe 72 hours.

32:08It wasn't long after the election. He just basically called me and said, hey, this is what I think he had even already posted it. And then he told me about it. And I was happy to do it. And I was honored to do it. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it generally wasn't presented as like, hey, would you be interested in it? It was more like, hey, you're going to be. And I said, OK, here we go.

32:26Katie Miller:You've been one of the toughest voices on Cuba for ever. We captured Maduro out of Venezuela. Is Cuba next? I think Cuba, I'm confident that Cuba, by the time this administration is over, before this administration ends, will be on an irreversible path towards a much different future. Obviously, like anything else, especially something like this, I always tell people, you can't have something in place for 70 years, it grows roots, and then think overnight, you're just going to rip out the whole thing and put something brand new into the ground. There's a transition that has to happen in the process to get there.

32:59Eastern Europe is instructive of that. You saw it took countries in Eastern Europe three to five years to truly become what we know them to be today. Poland is probably the best example. So I think Cuba will be on that path well along that path. It has to be, but certainly under this administration given the priority it's given Cuba. You know, like you never guarantee anything, but it's certainly a priority for us because it's in our national interest. I remind people at the end of the day like I work for the United States of America. You know, I care about Cuba. Obviously, I have a personal connection to it, but I don't work for Cuba.

33:30I work for the United States, and I believe it's in the national interest of our country to have a Cuba that's safe and stable and aligned with the U.S. The same feeling I have about Venezuela as well.

33:40Katie Miller:When the Maduro raid happened, what was it like leading up to that? What was he like? Was he nervous? What was the vibes? Well, she didn't really know. She knew something was up. Yeah, I knew something was going on just based on, I mean, he was constantly in and out. We didn't do anything during the holidays, so I knew something was going on, but I didn't know exactly what it was. When there's big things going on in the world, can you often tell based on how his demeanor changes, or is he pretty calm, cool, and collected?

34:12I don't know. That's a good question. I think I just see him busier. I just see him more on the phone. He's just thinking.

34:25But I would say he's cool and collective. I mean, I wouldn't say he isn't.

34:32Katie Miller:You said to Laura Trump if you had a day off that you would watch football all day. I answer the question completely wrong. Why? Well, first of all, the right answer is I would spend it with my wife going. Oh, yeah, okay. What a beautiful answer. But the true answer is, and this is why I messed up that answer. Okay, because here's the thing. The day would actually start much earlier. The greatest show on television today in America is College Game Day. Great show. Starts around 10 or 11 and that leads you to noon and then the noon game and then there's a 3.30 game and then there's a... So I messed and the idea, like this is a crazy weekend, it would never happen so I'm just putting this out there.

35:08But you could start at 10 a.m. on Saturday, run the whole college football day, sleep for a few hours, then you wake up and then you're into NFL Game Day. Then you've got the 1 o 'clock game, the 4 o 'clock game, the NBC game that night. that is an incredible weekend in my opinion in my view obviously I don't believe that will ever I will ever achieve this certainly not in the next two and a half years or what have you but and your audience probably doesn't care anything about what I just said but I'm just telling you that that would be a crazy day but that's never gonna happen right well you never know you

35:40Katie Miller:never know would you be okay with him watching that much football or do you sit with him and watch the football or you know something else no no I don't I I mean, I'll sit and watch some, but no. She'll watch a game if my son is in the game. Exactly. The one that's at Florida. That's about it, actually. That's about it. No, no, I probably would go and do some activities. How long did it take for you to figure out the State Department? Figure out the State Department? Yeah, like navigate it, figure it all out, unpack it all. Well, I think that's still a learning process. I mean, along the way, we've also done what I think was a very important reorganization of it.

36:16to bring it back more to its core principles. I think we did a lot of things that previous secretaries of state, many of whom will never admit it, wish they could have done in terms of like bringing foreign aid together with foreign policy so that they're both pushing in the same direction.

36:30Katie Miller:Did any of your predecessors give you advice coming to the job? A few. I mean, I don't know if advice is the right term. I think they gave me their impressions. But I think so much of what we do here is dependent on the times in which you live. You know, If you were Secretary of State in the middle of the Cold War or Secretary of State post-911, that's a very different world from what we're facing right now. So I think there's some things they can give you advice on in terms of how they manage their schedule. But ultimately, the Secretary of State works for the president. And so a lot of what you do in this job and what this place does should be geared and aligned and built around who the president is.

37:09And so a Department of State under President Trump should look different than it looks under the next president, what it's going to look like under the next president or previous presidents. It should be a reflection of the foreign policy direction that the current president wants to take in.

37:23Katie Miller:You've been married for nearly three decades. What's the secret to a happy marriage? You answered that question. No, Jeanette smiled first. No, there's no secret. I mean, there's no secret to it. You have to have a friendship. I would start that. I would just say it starts with your faith, you know, for me, and that's a very important thing. And I think for Marco, too, right? Yeah. And then... Compliance for the husband. No, please.

37:55I would say, you know, truly, just have friendship. And we've known each other for so long. And we have to give and take. We have to have a give and take.

38:06Katie Miller:who's more likely to apologize first after an argument? Oh, me big time. Oh, that is not true. But I'll say almost anything to move past it, whatever it was. She has great memory of stuff and I don't. So for example, she can recall something that happened in 1999, on September of 99, do you remember when you said or did this? And I'm like, no, actually I don't remember this. And she has an incredible sort of catalog of grievances that she's able to use at appropriate times. I, on the other hand, my preference is generally to move on from things quickly. You deal with it often. You get mad, you get whatever, and then you just move quickly on it.

38:47But I don't know. I mean, you asked that question about marriage. Marriage is not a... Unfortunately, people watch a lot of movies and stuff, and they think marriage is about, oh, just two people that are always happy. I mean, it's life. You've entered into a partnership to share life, and life is hard. There's ups, there's downs, there's good days, there's bad days, there's great moments, there's difficult moments, there's disagreement. All that is true. So it takes, for lack of a better term, maybe it's clichéish, but it really is a commitment to say, okay, we've agreed to live life and share life together, not just because you care about one another, but because of the commitment we've made to one another.

39:22And then you have to sort of ride that through. And a lot of times, unfortunately, I think people have been given this idealistic view that it'll always be, every day will be phenomenal. And that's just not true.

39:34Katie Miller:What's one habit the other person does that drives you absolutely insane, but you've just accepted it will never change? Oh, the sleep thing is the remaining irritant. I could be far more productive, believe it or not, had I not had that. Yes, we have different sleeping patterns. He likes to go to sleep early, I'm more of a laid out. In the early days of our marriage, okay, back in the day when they didn't have some of the things you have now, she loved to watch. I wanted to go to sleep early because I liked to wake up early. By eight o 'clock. I mean as early as possible. I used to get up like at 4 a.m.

40:01So yeah this is a reasonable thing. And I'm like who goes to sleep that early? So. All right so we her compromise was she bought these earphones. I'm talking about these big earphones that were plugged into the TV. No I didn't buy them. He bought them. I never bought them. You bought them for me. Yes okay either way we had these earphones but I'm talking about the earphones so she could hear the audio but the TV was still glowing. So the light would keep you up. So nothing was going to work. No no no so then I I bought those things you put around your eyes and now I felt like, now it's even worse because now I felt like I was a hostage.

40:32You know, it's like, oh, he's been blindfolded while he's trying to sleep. And it doesn't stay on. As soon as you turn the things coming off, you got the things sideways on your face. It's true. So we struggled. It's true. So in the very beginning, that has been the one consistent irritant. It's been the problem. It's a problem in our home, exactly. I need to be asleep by a certain time so that I can wake up by a certain time. I don't need 12 hours of sleep, but I need sleep. No, yeah. She on the other hand can go to sleep in 30 seconds in any setting or scenario. And so that difference is deeply problematic.

41:00And I'm fine. I can wake up three hours later and I'm fine.

41:03Katie Miller:You don't complain that you're tired all day? No, I don't. I just don't think about it. I just keep going. Yeah. He's, you know. What's one thing you disagree with Marco on? Oh, my God. One? That's for episode two.

41:19Oh, my gosh. Let me see. Let's see. just about some of the stuff he stresses on you know I think I'm other than like War in Peace for example no I'm talking about a personal level I'm not talking about when it comes to the world I mean just things I mean everything has to be like a you know scheduled everything has to be scheduled see I'm not always scheduled about everything so I think that's where we she's more spontaneous and some things are great about spontaneity and some things are not you know like for example like flights you can't be spontaneous it's about a flight right there's a commercial flight that takes off at 10 05 no but three hours before three hours prior he's already stressing because we're not going to make it on time we're not going to be able to go yes you do absolutely i'm preparing for all sorts of contingencies no he's thinking about the worst the worst case scenario you see i don't think about the worst case scenario if you're prepared for the worst case scenario in life nothing will ever surprise and i think my gosh and you live always you know frustrated i mean you just ask people you go to the airport and let's say there's a TSA meltdown like that day they decide oh we're not doing pre-check today because it happens in these airports.

42:23Have we ever missed a flight? No because Have I ever missed a flight? No I haven't. No you haven't missed a flight but you've gotten close. No. Yes close. The bottom line I've never missed a flight so there you go. do you miss driving does that force you to be more scheduled yeah i didn't use some i mean i'm not she loves to drive i'm not a driving lover i love to drive you know like i don't i'm not anti-driving but i'm like a lot but now i do like i there are things not the driving like the daily driving like the long like a three-hour road trip somewhere that you just get in your car you rent a car because you're going somewhere like my amita gainsville absolutely i miss that so much you know i would get in like my first my son's first year at the university of florida when i would go to some of the games and she couldn't go because something was going on with my other son in Miami or whatever.

43:16I would get in the car, rent a car, take off driving. You put on XM radio, college game day on there. So you could hear the whole thing for five hours, no interruptions, nobody can stop you. And you're driving. He would get his whole day of football. You check into the hotel, you're ready for game day, you go to game day, you come back, you know, and then all the drive back the next day, you're listening to the NFL stuff before it's gearing up on XM. So I miss that I miss those kinds of things.

43:41Katie Miller:What's the funniest parenting fail you've ever had? Parenting fail? Yeah have you ever like... Well if there were a fail it wouldn't be funny. I don't know that's a good question I haven't thought about. Was there a moment that one of your kids completely humbled you in front of other parents? No. No. No our kids have never done that. Are you kidding? No no they would suffer greatly. They sure would. it would be a lot of trouble. What's the secret to raising happy, well-adjusted, conservative children? You have to talk to them. You have to debate with them. You have to let them tell you what their thoughts are.

44:16And usually we would do that when we would sit down and eat, right? I mean, that's when our conversations would take place and they would all... My kids talk a lot. Yes, and give us their thoughts. And they like to talk at the same time. So literally, like somebody's in... It happens all the time. And it's a source of some frustration. It's true, it's true. But one child will be speaking and literally like 10 seconds in, a second one will jump on and start talking at the same time. It's potentially about a different topic. And then a third one will jump in. And so the whole place sounds like it's just nuts.

44:46And at some point I have to stop and say, hold on, someone was just speaking. There's not a lot. I don't know if that even answers your question. These are we're just hearing grievances. But but but no, but I think that this is an interesting question. there are a lot of downsides to being in public service which might I have been basically the entirety of my kids lives that's the doubt you know the time right you can't be in two places at once so you will miss things and I think this is true in many careers but I think the benefit of it at least is the kids know that we've been doing meaningful things like we haven't been you know I haven't been gone because I'm on a hunting trip every weekend with my friends and not hanging around they know that what I do is meaningful and I think as they've gotten older they whether they They've appreciated that part of it.

45:29And so whatever it is they choose to do in their life, I think will be built on the idea that the purpose of life is to do meaningful things with the time you have and the opportunities that you have. And sometimes meaningful things mean you'll make money, but sometimes it means you're not making as much money as someone else, but you're doing things that are really important. And so I hope that that, and the thing people forget about parenting is that the most important thing a parent does is not what you say, is what they see you do. Oh, 100%. Like for me, the most important lesson I learned from my father, he wasn't the kind of guy that would sit you down and give you a long talk or whatever.

46:01I just saw my dad got up every morning and went to work somewhere. And two weeks out of the year, he didn't have to work because he got a vacation. But every other day and week of the year, it involved him getting up on time and showing up somewhere and working. Even on the days he didn't want to go, I'm sure. That alone is one of the most important life lessons you'll learn. And it's stunning to me how many people don't learn that. But to add to your question, really is challenging them because they do have their thoughts and their views and allowing them to have them and then, you know, respond to them.

46:31And that's what we would do. And it's worked. And my kids are great when it comes to the way they, you know, their beliefs. And we're all pretty aligned, honestly.

46:41Katie Miller:So now we're going to move to the game of would you rather. You both answer. Would you rather survive a hurricane with no plumbing and electricity or Disney World during spring break? The hurricane. And Disney World almost at any time at this point. We haven't been to Disney in probably over a decade and a half. Oh my gosh, for a long time, yeah. But it's just not only is it expensive. This is not an anti-Disney thing, but it's not. It's too expensive. Not only is it expensive, but just in the spring with a lot of people, and then it's hot on top of that. And everyone, I remember the era in Disney where everyone was cheating on the Fast Pass.

47:14Katie Miller:On the paper ones? Yeah, so not only that, but people were, everybody had social anxiety, so they couldn't make the line. and they were gaming this whole system where everybody was getting, I knew people that were doing this. And they were like, you would get a note from a doctor and they'd give you this little pass. And so all of a sudden you see like half the crowd is in the line that doesn't have to make the wait because they have social anxiety. And I'm like, come on, we're in a nation of lunatics, if you think about it. So I think they've cracked down on that. No, but it's extremely expensive to take your family.

47:44Nowadays, I think to Disney World, I mean, it's a lot. I mean, the food, everything. Now that's that hurricanes are unpleasant either, but that just tells you how unpleasant Well you can always leave, right, when there's a hurricane, because we know ahead of time. Yeah, yeah, we can.

47:55Katie Miller:Would you rather accidentally call a world leader by the wrong name, or get caught on camera awkwardly waving at someone who isn't waving at you? Me? That's for me, right? I would say the waving. Because she doesn't talk to her, yeah. So, I think, no, no, because look, waving at someone who's not waving at you, neither one is, but you can spin your way out of both of them. The waving a person who's not waving at you would just say, what are you talking about? It's the guy standing right behind him. But the world leader one is even if you call them the wrong name, it depends. Like, is it close or is it far?

48:25If it's far, you would say, oh, I'm sorry. You know, I would think that was more embarrassing. Yeah, that would be more embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. If it was public, it would be more embarrassing.

48:32Katie Miller:Would you rather have control over the thermostat or the remote? Oh my gosh. We fight for the remote all the time. Because I'll be watching something and he'll just come get the remote and change it. What's the ideal temperature? Depends. Daytime or night? 70. I would say 70. So the science says. You should look this up. Well, the sleeping is different than... 68 degrees is the best sleeping temperature. According to the science. Okay. And some interview Tom Brady did. So... So... It... But during the day, you can't keep it 68. 70. 70 is in the middle. 71, yeah. Between 70 and 73. Depends on the humidity.

49:1370 and 73 in the D.

49:15Katie Miller:Would you rather give up Cuban coffee forever or the Miami Dolphins never win another Super Bowl? I would say Cuban coffee, you would say. That's what you would say. I would rather give up Cuban coffee forever? Yeah, yeah. But there's other forms of caffeine. There's no substitute for a trophy, you know? Would you rather relive your first year of marriage or relive the years your kids were toddlers? Oh, my gosh. Relive my kids were toddlers. But we didn't really have, like, we didn't have our first submission. We had our first child in April of 2001. No, April of 2000. 2000. And we were married in October of 98.

49:52So, yeah, there wasn't a lot of time in between. I would say toddlers, honestly, because it goes by so fast. I mean, I can't look at their pictures or even listen to their voices, which I always say record or video, without crying. Just because it goes by so fast. Yeah.

50:08Katie Miller:Now we're in the section where you're going to only answer with that of another cabinet secretary. Okay. Who do you think is the funniest? In the whole cabinet? I think there's three finalists. I have to say three. I think the vice president is funny. Everybody's got their own style. I think the vice president can be very funny. I think Besson, in his own way, can be very funny. I mean in his own way. He's got a different type of presentation. I think Bobby Kennedy is very funny. Bobby has some of the greatest stories you'll ever hear. It's unbelievable stories that he'll tell. and you listen to these stories and they're like that didn't really happen oh no but it did and I'm not I mean I'm talking every day that I sit with him if you broach a subject he'll tell you the guy has lived an extraordinary life like I always say how is this not a movie it's true I mean it can't even be a movie it would have to be a miniseries because he has so many incredible stories and many of them are not just funny because that they happen but they're just fascinating to me but he can be funny too who's your best friend in the administration so the The best way to answer that question, I have a lot of people, so I've known JD the longest of anybody that's on there because he was in the Senate with me, but I even knew him before he was in the Senate and we had interacted on some policy stuff.

51:17And then the people I work with the closest on a daily basis, because I just see them all the time repeatedly, is Pete Hexeth, obviously, Scott Besant, we deal with him, and John Ratcliffe. That group and that team is constantly interacting with one another as well. So these are the people I'm the closest to because we work with the most on an almost daily basis.

51:36Katie Miller:Who's always early to meetings? Always early to meetings. I think Ratcliffe is pretty punctual. And he shows up. And not that anyone's late, but he's usually the first one. Who's always late? Well, he's not late. It's the president. The meetings start when he gets there. But he's busy. You know, he's got something going on. But he's obviously the last to arrive. I don't think anyone is late, per se. I think everyone has gotten to know the president's scheduling rhythm. and you realize when a meeting is wrapping up, then you head over to the meeting because there's no point standing around until he gets there.

52:09Katie Miller:What's the funniest thing that's happened on Air Force One or a government plane that no one's ever heard about? That I can tell? Yeah, that you can tell. I don't know if it's funny. I mean, look, I think there's been some times on Air Force One, like I remember coming back from China, I'm not going to say who the person was, but this person was sleeping on one of the couches in the conference room. And for a significant period of this flight, it was debatable whether this person had passed away or depending on how they're sleeping. I mean, I couldn't see chest movement. I couldn't see like the, I couldn't establish a consistent breathing pattern in the individual.

52:41But I also didn't want to wake them up on the one hand or discover a dead body on the other. So we spent a considerable, like 90 minutes sort of debating, should we make a move? Should I call the doc? Should we deal with this? Because it's embarrassing if you wake them up. Oh, I was just sleeping. But if they were dead, like, what do you do? You have a dead body on the plane. Who's going to, what do you deal with that? I'm not what the protocol is for. it. Luckily the person was fine and there was no such. So I don't know if it was funny, but there was a lot of debate about how to approach this particular topic.

53:07There was a lot of noise going on, the lights were on, and this person was not responding to any of the stimulus. And the breathing pattern was difficult. You could see every now and then that there was like maybe a breath, but I just like, I don't know how you sustain life at that pace of respiration. So I don't know if it was funny, but... Were you watching him the whole time? I kept tabs on it because I I just figured like I need to account for where I was when this person passed away. Oh my gosh. You know, then there's going to be an investigation and I want, but luckily it all worked out.

53:37Katie Miller:Of all the cabinet members we've interviewed, every single one said you're the funniest person in the administration. Literally every single one. What's your best joke or joke that you've told? So here's the thing. A lot of the jokes that people consider funny, they're inside jokes. They wouldn't make sense for people, you know, in their everyday life because there are things that have happened internally that people view or and so they uh but i don't know these are jokes or not jokes but like i i i don't know i can say this to you like i'm a big bobby kennedy fan i think he's one of the best people i've ever met like the guy truly is pure of heart so i always every now and then i'll tell bobby bobby before i met you i thought you were crazy because that's what people would say about you i said now i believe half your stuff so he thinks that's really funny i don't think that's like a big joke or anything but i tell him that and i think bobby's one of the most fantastic people I've ever met.

54:27Just such a good, good guy who really is well intentioned in everything he does and really smart.

54:32Katie Miller:The vice president says you have a big sweet tooth. I assume you haven't adopted RFK's diet of red meat and fermented vegetables. No, this is a crazy diet. This is a diet that consists of eating sauerkraut and meat. Now, you understand, like, this is not a sustainable thing. Like, you can't just walk into it. Well, he sustains it because he does it. Can you imagine? He has to travel with coolers of I'm not going to travel the world with a cooler full of sauerkraut. It's ridiculous. I can't do it. It's not sustainable. Are you Maha? I'm in favor of Maha. Like, I think people should be healthy. No, he is not.

55:04But I think ultimately... He is completely not. What's he eat? Pop-Tarts. No, I don't eat Pop-Tarts every day. Okay, you eat sweets. The Pop-Tart is one of the great American innovations in the history of the world. If you think about it, it comes in this beautiful foil package. He eats all the things you should not be eating. Every single thing. Like what? Like, what do I eat that I should not be eating? Okay.

55:28Anything that's sugar, you will take it down. You need carbohydrates to function. And I would say... He will. He loves fast food. He loves it all. Okay. I did at one time, maybe four or five years ago, I tried this thing called keto. You've heard of this. Yeah, keto. And you just eat all this protein. And so you go through this massive withdrawal from sugar and carbohydrates for the first 72 hours. It was a near psychotic event for me. It's true. If I did this in this job, I would be like, Mr. President, we must bomb Paraguay. And it's like, why? I don't know. I'm just really mad I haven't had any sugar.

56:04So the point is that you can't, it really is not as, I'm not against this diet. I'm not asking that we ban it. I encourage people to try it. I'm just saying it's not for everyone. That's what I'm saying.

56:17Katie Miller:I asked the vice president and Dr. Oz this, so I'm curious. Is the hot dog a sandwich? Is the hot dog a sandwich? Yeah, 57 % of Americans believe that a hot dog is indeed a sandwich. Well, it's meat constrained by two pieces of bread on both sides. Technically it is, yeah. That's what Merriam-Webster says, by the way, too. That it is a sandwich. It is. How do you pick your clothes out in the morning? Well, I'm colorblind. So I can't tell certain colors, like green and blue or black and blue. or so I have trouble doing that. So generally speaking, the suits are all dark for the most part. So it's, I have an order.

57:00Katie Miller:How do you tell which floor shimes go with which outfit? Oh, there's only, I mean, there's the one, there's two floor shimes that we got. One is the tuxedo, and that's, that I can tell. It's very shiny. That's, I'm not going to wear that. And then the other one. So it's the other one. It's the last question we asked everyone on the pod. Okay. If you could host a dinner party with three people that are alive, who's sitting at the table, and what are you eating? A dinner party. Well, look, as a Christian, I would say Jesus, obviously, but, you know, that would be a very unique dinner, and I would probably just want to do it one-on-one, you know.

57:32I don't want to have a dinner with Jesus like two other people. It's like, the whole vibe gets ruined. I want that one-on-one, so let's put that one aside for a moment. I would say I'd be fascinated at a, there are various combinations that I could put together. from a political combination, I would say Thatcher, Reagan, and Churchill in the same. It would be really fascinating to hear American president.

57:57Katie Miller:Interesting you don't pick Jeanette. No, no, you said three people. Yeah, it is interesting. No, no, but I figured these are people I don't. She said dead or alive. I said dead or alive. I understand. Yeah, but I am alive. But the context of the question was a dinner that you couldn't already do. No, I know. This would be a very unique situation. Giving you a hard time. And then in the realm of like athletics, I would love to do a dinner because I'm a big fan of like athletic excellence because it's not just that physical ability, it's the time they put into it. I think Kobe Bryant would have been a fascinating person to talk to.

58:23Nick Saban, another high driver in that field, in the field of athletics. And then probably the third person that I think would be very fascinating to have in there because of his competitive nature is Magic Johnson. So those three in a room and just pick their brain about what it took to reach the pinnacle of their careers in athletics because I think there's analogies to anything you choose in life. In order to be great at something, you have to give up something. You can't have both. There's things you can't do in order to do things you want to do. So it would be fascinating to talk. And two of them are live, obviously, Kobe.

58:55Katie Miller:And what are you eating? Probably sauerkraut and steak. I'm joking. I don't know. I mean, but something that's easy to eat. What's the best thing Jeanette makes? Jeanette makes breakfast, fantastic breakfast. She's very good at breakfast. That's her specialty, big time. that said I mean I go for the pop tart because it's much quicker it's much more efficient but exactly I don't eat pop tarts every day this is an exaggeration if they're available like right now we have no pop tarts at the house I'm not eating pop tart I don't go out of my way to buy them but if they are available they are very reliable because you're talking about a 30 second process bang bang and then it comes out it's ready so but she makes excellent breakfast particularly like scrambled eggs, but she does it in a very unique way.

59:42What about dinner? Yeah, but you do do that at far less. She's stunning her well. I mean, you do. I'm not a big fish eating person, but she made salmon the other day. It was really good. Yeah, he doesn't like fish. I don't like fish. I mean, it's not, I'm not anti, I'm not against fish. It's just not my thing, but I'll eat it.

59:58Katie Miller:Next headline, Marco Rubio's anti-fish. No, no, no. Fish is good for you apparently. He's into meat. That's his thing. Who's at your dinner party? Who's at my dinner party? Oh my gosh. Three people alive or dead at your dinner party? Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I would say people that I loved. My grandmother. This blew up my answer. This is terrible. I should have thought of that, too. I would say my grandmother. Of course, I would have Christ. And my dad. And what are you making? Or what are you eating? What am I eating? Yeah. Salmon.

1:00:37Katie Miller:Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. It was fun. Thanks for watching this episode of the Katie Miller Podcast. Don't forget, we're every Tuesday night at 6 p.m. See you then.