Mike & Kelly Johnson on Marriage, Family, & Demands of the Job | The Katie Miller Podcast Ep. 16

19:03How long something's going to take him, I would say. So she says I overestimate my ability to accomplish goals. He underestimates his ability to get things done and underestimates maybe how much time it will take. So he says, I should be able to do this in 30 minutes, you know, and then here we are two hours later. It's like, yeah, no, I don't think so. Yeah, but I got the big, beautiful bill done a few days earlier than my target deadline. He did. He did. He did. There's that. There's that.

19:31Katie Miller:What's the one tactic you use with members of Congress to vote for something that you've also successfully used with your kids? It's actually the same principle. I mean, I don't, I try to meet people wherever they're at. We have this joke that I'm not really a Speaker of the House. I'm really like a mental health counselor. And so when the pressure gets turned up really high and then the stakes are so high and the votes are so tight, I just try to sit down and listen to everybody and figure out what their primary need is and how we can meet that, you know. And sometimes those are long counseling sessions, but we get that done.

20:04But it's not unlike, I mean, it's the same skills you use as a parent. You want to understand your kids need it. And we're very focused on, like when our kids are younger, right, and they're growing up and we tell them something's wrong, we stop and explain why it's wrong. The reason we don't do this is because it could lead to your harm. That's so important. Communicating like that with your children is key. And with each other in marriage. Yeah, and so that same transparency that we use in parenting, I do with members, and it's kind of a foreign thing on Capitol Hill because people aren't used to that, you know.

20:34and it was jarring to people in the beginning when I was handed the gavel, but it's become part of what we do now, and people expect that, and your word is your bond here, and if you don't have that, you don't have anything. And so, you know, we just try to practice that. And I admit when I'm wrong, and I don't. Ronald Reagan said it's amazing what can be accomplished if you don't mind who gets the credit, and I want everybody to be of their highest and best use and everybody to be successful, and that's just kind of the way we operate, and it's what's needed in a time like this.

21:05Katie Miller:We've talked a lot about how your family has changed since before you became Speaker and after. What do you miss about that time frame, I would say even before you were an elected member to present day, I think for both of you, because I think it'll be a different answer. I miss all of us being at home together more. When the kids were small and he was able to be at home more, He was never home a lot. He's always worked a lot, but so much more than now. And I just, I miss having the kids at home, you know, under my feet and him there and us all just being together. Because it truly does fly by.

21:48I know everybody says that, and really every second it goes so fast. But it's true. I mean, I feel like just yesterday, our kids were your kids' sizes, you know. And so, yeah, I would say that's what I miss the most. Now we're in that phase where we're waiting on grandkids, right? So like because our girls are in their early, mid-20s, one's married. And you're in that in-between stage where you're waiting on the next round. And all of our friends, because many of our friends our age are now having their first grandkids, and they're sitting, oh, it's a whole new ballgame. But we're not in a rush.

22:19No, we're not in a rush. We have enough on our plate right now. One person sounds like he's in a rush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be fun. Fun season of life.

22:27Katie Miller:What's one unexpected perk for your family that has since come with the job? You know, I would say there's not a lot of perks. It's really not. People think that there are. The Speaker's Balcony? Yeah, we love the Speaker's Balcony. That's one. Yeah, that's a perk. It's the most beautiful view. You know, it looks down at the National Mall. When people come and visit dignitaries, celebrities, everybody comes to take a photo out there. And it's like our balcony right now, on loan to us, of course. But we've had the family assembled out there. I mean, the night that we were elected speaker, we brought the family.

23:00We ate sandwiches on the balcony of the speakers. And it's just so surreal to think of the history of the place. It is, truly. But there are little things like that that you really appreciate, especially when there's so much on our plate. Yes, absolutely.

23:14Katie Miller:So I'll go down the list. You've been with the president at UFC, the commander's game. Yes. Those are perks. That's true. We're getting somewhere. They're perks. Yes, yes, yes. What's been the best event or thing you've attended when you were like that is so cool I cannot believe I have this job Well, the UFC fight was pretty awesome because we were there with Kid Rock and Jelly Roll and Elon and like the whole You know who Jelly Roll is? Do I? No, yes, we have selfies together. There's one hanging in my office No, he's actually a really cool guy But but but I've been able to go with the president to a lot of cool stuff and we did the national championship.

23:54LSU, the greatest college team of all time was 2019 national championship team, Joe Burrow. I mean, that's an objective truth, okay? This is the moment. I'm a double LSU alum. And we went to the, we beat Alabama at home that season when we were undefeated. And then we went to the Superdome in my home state of Louisiana and played the national championship. And I was with the president and the whole thing. And my buddies back home, all my redneck friends and my Cajun friends and everybody, they think that is the greatest thing of all time. That I was with President Trump in the box while we won the national championship.

24:26That's pretty high on the list.

24:28Katie Miller:Which one of you has veto power at home? Probably me. 100%. A man has to know his place. It's the secret to a happy marriage. We've been together 26 years. And the secret is, in fact, can I tell you the best advice we ever got? So when I was a state rep in Louisiana, they did an annual contest to find out who was the longest married couple in Louisiana. And so it turned out this elderly black couple in my district was the longest married. They had been married 82 years. So I get to go and present them a certificate from the governor and balloons and all that on Valentine's Day. So I go to their house.

25:04I live in a small home in a rural part of my district. And a big happy family. I mean, they had 40 people there. They were children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. I went with you. You went with me. Yes. Mr. Player, his name, he was 104. four and miss miss uh mrs player was 99 and so of course we want to ask him marital advice what's the secret to a happy marriage so i lean in and he says lean in real close i said yes sir he said there's two things he said uh let her think she's the boss yes sir and buy her a new car every three years all right and then we looked out the window and she had a shiny she can't drive it but she had a beautiful new car i don't think she had driven in like nine years or something but this is a beautiful car out there and all the kids are like that's it that's the truth so mr player kelly is long overdue on the car okay but she clearly is the boss that's the secret to happy marriage yes that's really good who does the cooking at home our daughter our daughter yes sad to say um i think after i had my fourth uh child and life started getting super hectic my um cooking uh kind of went out the window, didn't it?

26:14Well, certainly during this season, I mean, when I say literally it's daily triage, we try to have order and schedule, but it gets blown up because there's an emergency every 10 minutes. And so we're kind of in survival mode right now. Yeah. I mean, we order in food a lot because we just don't have the time and have the luxury of cooking.

26:30Katie Miller:And our daughter likes to cook. She enjoys it. She's really talented. And she's good at it. So what's the best thing you Uber eats in the area? We order a lot of Ted's Bulletin. Right. Right. See, we're simple people. We're very simple people, yeah. If somebody were going out in D.C. and wanted to catch the Johnsons out to dinner, where's the go-to spot? Well, my favorite restaurant closed. What was it? Tortilla Coast. Really? That was our favorite. And it was right there. We loved it. That was our favorite place to eat. And it closed. We were so sad. To be honest, you will seldom see us at a restaurant because if we do that, we go to a back room somewhere.

27:12just security and which is really sad really sad um but but on occasion we'll go to like the farmer's markets or um what's the farm to table found uh founding farmers founding farmers yeah yeah we love that place and they'll give us a little corner you know as best we can and and when the kids are with us we'll go down to the navy or the wharf or you know there's there's lots of great places down there but we it's sad the reason we order a lot of food in is because it's just not worth the whole getting out in the public thing, you know?

27:41Katie Miller:How do you handle his, other people's demands on his time? If you schedule something and it gets blown up, which I'm sure happens very frequently, that you say there's a date on the calendar and we're doing this as a couple or this as a family and suddenly now there's another emergency. How do you handle that? You know, that's something that we've been working on and we're getting better at it. He has an incredible staff, the most wonderful schedulers, and they are so considerate of me, and now they check with me and let me know what's going on, and they give me veto power for the most part, and we do this thing where we say, okay, on a scale from one to ten, you know, how important is this event?

28:26Because we may have another event that we need to do. So, but we find these days on the scale of one to 10, most events are like an eight, nine, or 10, just about all of them. Well, they don't even suggest. If it's not that, they don't even suggest it. So, but, and I have to just get my mind right about it, that he's just not going to be available a lot these days, but it's a season.

28:52Katie Miller:So we're going to call this section Congress Confidential. I think you can see where this is going. Who's the hardest member of Congress to deal with? You know I cannot answer that question. We can give a range. The people that require the most amount of my time self-identify because they're on social media and they're expressing their opinions. You can probably guess who has been those times. Who's the easiest? The easiest. There's a big category of people who are just complete team players, never want to make trouble or cause a stir. I couldn't even begin to name them. And really, that's most of our colleagues.

29:31Look, I want to say this. I genuinely love every single person that I work with. I do. And even when we're at odds on something, I don't take it personal. I respect their service and their time. And I try to find the best about everybody. And even when they're cantankerous or whatever, you've got to look through that. And if you genuinely come to that point where you genuinely love the people you work with, you can tolerate a lot more of the daily strife and stress stuff.

29:57Katie Miller:You say it so politely when you say intense fellowship. That's our southern term. Where did you come up with that one? I mean, I don't know. It's maybe in the Southern Baptist Church. I think we heard a pastor say it at some point. He said that about his wife. He said sometimes we have intense fellowship. We have intense fellowship. Man, that's it right there. So that's what we say, yeah. We don't argue. We have intense fellowship, see? Who blows up your phone the most at the most inopportune times?

30:24Be careful. Who? Be careful. I know. I get it. Look, I mean, the problem is I think literally like 100 ,000 people have my cell phone number. That's probably true. And I changed it a couple years ago. Seriously.

30:39Katie Miller:But there's gotta be one member who calls you, undoubtedly, when you're just about to sit down to dinner. There's a bunch of them. And it's consistently who it happens with. I can't. I can't. Okay. There's a lot of people who... I'm sure he won't mind. Or she. There's a lot of... My problem is the greatest challenge of my day is trying to keep up because I miss, I mean, literally hundreds of calls and text messages in a day. And I don't really... The peril is I don't know how important that was what I missed. And sometimes I'll find out a week or two later and like, oh, my gosh, I didn't know.

31:12Now, most people, if they can't reach me that way, then they'll call the team and go get him. he's got to hear this, you know, but boy, I miss a lot of stuff and I'm constantly apologizing to people for that. And I think they understand, but it's, it doesn't make it easy.

31:26Katie Miller:Who's most likely to butt dial you? He's most likely to butt dial somebody. I know, I'm really bad about it. I know. And she's like, make sure your phone is off. You're talking about, you know, this is related to national security. I mean, who's listening? I don't know. We're going to keep going down that probably do not answer out. Who's in your office the most? She's good. She's just going to beat it out of you. My chairman are in my office the most, and I'm very proud of that because what I'm trying to do is spread out the power of the speaker's office and sort of diffuse that a little bit, and I'm empowering those who are supposed to be in charge of their areas of jurisdiction, so I've spent a lot of time with those people that we're delegating all that to.

32:08Katie Miller:Who's the funniest member of Congress? Probably Tim Burchett. You know, he's hilarious. Who's most likely to lose their phone? Jodie Arrington, probably, I don't know. Probably. Other than you, who does the best impressions? I think I'm the king. What's the best one you do? The president, probably. Probably the president. Clay Higgins, any number of others. There's some, you know, we try to be lighthearted, especially in these really tense times. when you can drop a Trump impression in the middle of the tension everybody kind of laughs a little bit and lights up it turns out to be a great a great tool.

32:47Katie Miller:Which member would you trust to cook you Thanksgiving dinner? That's a good one Lisa McClain probably she's our conference chair she's very responsible. Given that this is airing Tuesday right before Thanksgiving. Yes. What's Thanksgiving like at the Johnson House? We try well at least until the last two years when I became Speaker, we really try to turn everything down and just focus on the family time and be, I think, be real intentional about what it is we're thankful for and the origin of the holiday and what that means. It's a uniquely American holiday. People don't think about that. But we're blessed to be in this nation, to live under this flag and to have these freedoms and liberty and opportunity and security and to recognize, especially on that day, we're so thankful for all that, the bountiful blessings we have, and that they're not to be assumed that we're always going to have them.

33:44You know, freedom's not inherited in the bloodstream, as Reagan said. So you've got to fight for it and protect it and pass it along to the next generation. Thanksgiving's a great opportunity to do that.

33:51Katie Miller:There's a huge national divide in America right now, and I'm curious where you fall. What time should Thanksgiving dinner start? I'm a traditionalist. I don't know, 6 p.m.? What would you say? sort of a moving target with our families. It is because we have Thanksgiving lunch with his family and then we go and have dinner with my family. And if those are too close, it doesn't work. That's right. Everybody gets stuffed twice. That's right. Another controversial topic. Do you prefer the homemade cranberry sauce or the jelly canned kind? I hate to not play, but I'm not a cranberry sauce guy. It's like the one thing on the table that I just don't indulge in.

34:28He eats almost anything except cranberry sauce, mayonnaise and bananas. It's true. Those are the things he will not eat. And candy corn. Oh, I hate candy corn so much. Yeah, I hate candy corn. I think it should be on that one. Yes, yes.

34:40Katie Miller:If you could only pick one pie to eat on Thanksgiving, which one is it? The chocolate pie at my mom's. Yeah, that's chocolate pie at her mom's or key lime, which is not traditionally a Thanksgiving dish, but we have it, yeah. How do you keep your marriage strong among the midst of all the chaos, busyness, noise of this life? I would say keeping the Lord the center of our marriage is how we keep it strong. And in fact, that's the only way to do this is through each of us having our own personal walks with Him, with the Lord, and then, of course, as a couple. And then just being deliberate about making time to be together and to talk to one another, to really communicate with each other.

35:40And, you know, we're not perfect. We've had hard times that we've had to go through, but we have learned from that. And now in our 50s, we are fine-tuning, aren't we? Fine-tuning everything. Fine-tuning, yes. See, the beauty of a long marriage is that it's the familiarity, you know, and we've, in a sense, grown up together. And so she's my most trusted advisor, and I value that so much. And we think so much alike because we have the same experience set. And she's a very bright lady in her own right. She's a licensed professional counselor. She helps other people get their lives straight. So I'm the guinea pig.

36:20You know, she's diagnosed me with everything in the book. Not really. Not really. Just kidding. But she has great instincts on policy and politics and everything because we've come up through this together. And it's a great asset to have a spouse who you can trust like that. So that draws us together in tough times.

36:36Katie Miller:Do you find that at night when you're dealing with hard issues, you still take the time to discuss it amongst yourselves for clarity? For sure. I mean, constantly. But then sometimes I have to throttle back because I don't want her to carry the entire load that I have because it's too much. There are times when I'll tell him, I can't know anymore. Yeah, like you can't tell me anymore. I can't carry you anymore. And, you know, men and women are different in this way is that men can compartmentalize things. Yeah, men's brains are like waffles. Yes. They have little compartments. And they can think on one little compartment at a time and close it.

37:10And men actually have a compartment that has nothing in it. So when you ask him, what are you thinking about? And he says nothing. He means it. He means it. He really is thinking about nothing.

37:20Katie Miller:He's not thinking about the Roman Empire. Yeah. Well, there's that too. There's a whole compartment for that. But women, we cannot do that. We are always thinking, in fact, our brains are like spaghetti because it's the meatballs, the pasta, the sauce, the oregano. We're thinking of all of it. And we can't stop thinking. So in this arena, I'm compartmentalizing all these, a myriad number of high-level, high-stress issues, and I can just turn them off and sleep. And then I've just unloaded this at her at 11 p.m. and she's laying in there going, oh my gosh. What is going on? Sorry, honey. So I've learned to sort of, at least the late at night stuff, I try to throttle back.

37:59Katie Miller:Before I go back to a serious question, how often do you think about the Roman Empire? I do quite a bit, actually. When that thing came out, I was like, that's true. I don't know why. But maybe because we're returning to the days of the Roman Colosseum at this point, you know. But, I mean, Gladiator and Braveheart are my two favorite movies. They are, yeah. Not in that order. Braveheart's first. But I mean, I think of that all the time. I use those analogies when I'm talking to the Republican conference. You know, it's it's funny. I don't know why. What advice would you give to moms who struggle with a husband who is working a ton, traveling a ton and still carrying the burden of raising and being the primary parent at home?

38:40I would say take it one day at a time. That's the most important. I would say don't, I mean this is a common saying, but truly don't sweat the small stuff because it is going to fly by. I mean you only get about 18 years with those babies at home and it's just not worth all the small stuff worrying about it. Try to enjoy them, invest in them, love them. There's a scripture that says that love covers a multitude of sins. And I love that because when I feel like I haven't, maybe I haven't been the best mom or I haven't done all the things or taught them all the things they need to know, you know, I've loved them.

39:29And God, then he takes it from there. He really covers us when we do the best we can. But if your husband and has gone a lot, I would say have fun with the kids, enjoy them, invest in them, and then invest in yourself. Take care of yourself. Do something for yourself, whether it's exercising or going out with your friends or possibly if you want to work, you know, or have a little part-time job. Something that keeps you going and gives you something of your own. She's taught me a lot about margin and balance, which are two words that I did not understand until she started to teach me that. Boundaries and balance and margin.

40:12Boundaries, yes, both. And balance, all of it. And that's really important because you have to stay healthy so that you can serve everybody else. So it's a very liberating thought, love covers over a multitude of sins. And the liberating thought for me is what John Quincy Adams said, duty is ours, results are God's. It's a very liberating way to live. You do your best. You try to be faithful in the best that you can in your flawed way. And then it's a very comforting thought to know that we are not the sovereign. God's in control, and ultimately his will is going to be done. So we just want to try to work our way into that as best we can.

40:44In the age in which there are many, I would say it's going down now,

40:50Katie Miller:but for a while there was an increasing prevalence among kids who became transgender and entered into a phase of what I will call mental illness for a multitude of reasons. How did you raise children that I will say are successful, well-adjusted, share your morals and values? Because I think raising three small children now, right, that's my greatest fear, is how do I raise them to be the adults I want them to be? Yes. And so I turn that over to you as a mom of four children who has done it successfully. That's a great question. You know, I think, you know, just good quality time talking to them, communicating to them, explaining things to them, because they can understand more than you know.

41:42And so explaining things and taking time with them is just so important. And staying consistent, you know, as much as possible, being consistent with them. can I share a little bit too I mean there was a saying that somebody taught us when we were a young couple I think we went to a marriage conference or something and somebody said what we tolerate in moderation our children excuse in excess and so we took that to heart because we started thinking of our own lives about our friends and people we knew in our lives whatever the parents did the kids had a tendency to take it to the next level and it can be dangerous for them and so we decided before we started having our children that we wanted to be very intentional about this and set a standard, a family standard, you know, not in some weird ways.

42:27You know, we're not fanatics, but we do believe the Bible and we believe what it teaches and we try to teach that to the kids, but not just teach them the principle, but teach them the foundation behind it and why it's important for them, as I mentioned. And so, for example, we taught our kids like, look, if you're going to be a young Christian gentleman or a young lady, you're called to be salt and light to the culture. What does that mean? Let's talk about that. What does it mean to be salt and light and and then we want to be in our family we do not want to be thermometers we want to be thermostats what does that mean well you don't go into a new environment and take the temp and adapt to it no because you stand for something that's unchanging eternal truth and so instead of a thermometer you are a thermostat you gradually change the atmosphere of the place you're in if you go to a new school new setting new whatever and and we just we just kind of talk about these principles in a calm way and it makes it part of their of their philosophy their worldview you know And Scripture says if you teach them this when they're young, they will not depart from it.

43:23And that's our story. That's our testimony. Our kids do that. We're not like magic parents. We're asked to go do parenting conferences and marriage conferences and stuff, and we've done all that. But we just tell them. It's real simple. Just follow the actual instructions in the book. To us, I mean, as the Bible tells you, it has the whole recipe right there.

43:41Katie Miller:Yes. Do you go to church every single Sunday? I wish. we used to make it almost every Sunday when we were in one place. We had a real life. We had, yeah, but we try to go as much as possible now when we're in town and wherever we are, we do our best to be there. So last Sunday we all went together here on Capitol Hill, and, but then I had to, we had to go to the late service because I did the Sunday shows in the morning, you know, Fox News Sunday, and then run in and get everybody and go, and we try to make it priority but our kids know even if the schedule prevents us from doing it they know that our faith is our priority you know and that's the important thing you know we're gonna play a game now of would you rather no one's go to both of you hopefully you agree would you rather be late for church or late for a flight um i guess church god forgives it but i hate that i hate being late for anything.

44:42Yeah, I would have to say that's a hard question. I don't want to miss my flight, but I don't want to be late for church. That's a tough one.

44:53Katie Miller:Would you rather clean the kitchen after a big dinner party or fold a week's worth of laundry? I'd take the laundry. It's sort of therapeutic. Laundry. Would you rather spend date night out on the town or at home in pajamas? At home. In pajamas. When we were younger, we would do the other thing. Yeah. I think we're getting old now. Now we're tired. Would you rather share a closet or share a phone charger? Oh, a phone charger. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I don't even have any closets. I've yielded it all to her. I live at a little trunk almost. No, not really. Would you rather lose Wi-Fi for a day or have a broken dishwasher for a week?

45:34Katie Miller:Oh. Probably a broken dishwasher. Yeah, probably so. What keeps you up at night? Not much, which is sort of surprising in this position, but I am concerned about the national debt and the threat of China. To me, those are two top concerns, and the rise of AI and what that might do to a society. But I don't want to go down a long list. But look, I'm able to compartmentalize most of that. He does. He's kind of like a robot sometimes. He has like a button. He can just turn that button off, lays down, and he's out. Men can do that. They can. It's really incredible. I cannot. I can either. I'll be up for six hours overnight.

46:16See, you're wired different. That's what we're talking about.

46:18Katie Miller:That's right. Which AI do you use? I don't, actually. In fact, I don't even really use my phone much at all. I don't really have time for social media. Just to communicate, really. It's like I text and call. I really don't have the luxury of time to do that. You've never used AI? I don't think I ever have, honestly. Really? Really? Yeah. I mean, I know all the guys like Sam Altman was in my office. I've only tried it once, and that was to arrange furniture in our living room. That was the only thing I did on there. The only thing, I mean, if I'm going to sit down and write a speech or something, I mean, it has to be my own, personal.

46:55I guess a lot of the normal things that people would use it for, I just haven't gotten into it yet. My life is not normal right now, okay? And AI has really been, it's been becoming popular use really during the term of my speakership for the last two years. And so I just haven't had time to like engage, you know.

47:11Katie Miller:Which fictional house speaker do you most identify with? Fictional house speaker. Fictional. I could present you options if you'd like. Give me the options. Okay. All right. We have Alan Trumbull in Olympus Has Fallen, played by Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Yes. Glenn Walken in the West Wing, played by John Goodman. Yes. Nathan Templeton in Commander-in-Chief, played by Donald Sutherland. You know, maybe I shouldn't admit it, but I was a huge fan of the West Wing. He loved West Wing. I mean, he had left his tent. He still watches Zayn. The classic, it was just classic. We came up on that. So I guess I'll pick the West Wing.

47:44Katie Miller:What are you watching at night right now?

47:49I like to watch Dancing with the Stars. I hate to admit it. That's good grief. I do like it. Were you sad Whitney was voted off last night? I have not, I've kinda got behind. Oh, plot spoiler. Oh no, I was like, no! Yeah, sorry Whitney, whoever that is. I like the young man, the environmentalist. Irwin. Yes, Irwin. I like him. This is such a girl show. Sorry. What's the last girl show you've watched? Pride and Prejudice probably. They make my daughters and she make me watch that.

48:22Katie Miller:What's your favorite DC political drama? I really don't watch them because I have enough of it here. It would be West Wing when he used to watch it. It's still old school. I'd say West Wing for sure. What's the last book you've read? I don't read any fiction, so it had to be a probably... How Now Shall We Live? Yeah, Chuck Colson, How Now Shall We Live. It's a classic. All right, so we close every episode with the same question. If you could host a dinner party with three people, dead or alive, who's sitting at the table, and what are you eating? Can we say Jesus? Yes, you can. Dead or alive. but you're both gonna answer separately.

49:01Okay. Well, obviously Jesus and George Washington

49:09and I guess Lincoln. I'm very American-centric, aren't I? Yes. Yeah. Which is so crazy because you got two in mind. Really? See, we think alike. Jesus, George Washington, but my third, help me, who's my third? Abigail Adams? Yeah Yeah, I think it would be Abigail Adams And what are you eating? And what are we eating?

49:40Well Probably Well, I would say I would choose my favorite food Mexican food It's my favorite I'd have something healthy Fish based, you know, Jesus and George Washington And such so I think they would enjoy salmon probably salmon to close I swear for real this time

50:01Katie Miller:what is the one thing nobody knows about Mike Johnson that if you thought if only the world know they'd love him so much more oh the one thing that's tough one thing because I was I will say what you see is what you get with this guy this is who he is all the time um he doesn't change. And he loves people and he believes the best about everybody. He really does. It's really, really remarkable. And he's an artist. He doesn't like people to know that, but he is a very talented artist. Like George Bush level artist? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's very good. He's painted my portrait and the kids portraits and they're just beautiful.

50:48I just don't have time to do that anymore sadly what do you love most about your wife everything she's my she is my dream girl I married my dream girl I mean that's a you know and I fell in love with her like the night I met her like instantaneously it took her quite a bit longer to come around to that but um what I like to say about Kelly is she upstages me and everything I'm needing to you know but I love that about her and everybody loves her and when they get to know her they're like is she like that all the time she really she is and what I say about her is I say she said I'm nervous about what I'm going to say.

51:17I said, don't, what you are thunders so loudly, they cannot hear what you say anyway.

51:21Katie Miller:That's so beautiful. It's, it's, it's her way. And she just has that, that thing. I hope Stephen says that about me. He does. He certainly believes that. I've seen how he watches you. He was your biggest cheerleader last night. He was. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. Thanks for doing it. Thank you everyone for watching this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast. Please don't forget to like, follow, subscribe, and share. We're available every Tuesday night at 6 p.m. where you get your podcasts. Thank you both to Mike Johnson and Kelly Johnson for joining me on this week's episode.

51:53Katie Miller:Congrats on the show. It's awesome. Stay tuned.